It never hurts to start at the beginning...
What "state" is a conductor, load, battery, and space in before the conductor, load, and battery are connected to form a circuit?
What occurs in a conductor when it is first connected to a battery and a load?
Specifically, what occurs before the electrons start to drift along the conductor?
Is "electron drift" (conventional current) a secondary effect of other effects?
Look at you i can see four question marks in your post.
That post is not back to basics, trust me.
I know what that is...
It is called endless rubbish.
Do you think there are people often wondering about your bench?...
Maybe you do not realize it but there are many...
We even wondered why you did not kick yourself from the forum.
You are one of them (and worse) ,leaving the others wounded.... :'(
Wounded.....it's not nice what so ever.
Treat others the way you like to be treated.
This stuff requires you to think out of the box..realisticly..useing books from 1900 to 1950...and to think like that.. i'm afraid people have been dumbed down...you have to study books from 1900 to 1950.
Cavity is science's way of calling it overunity.
Can you read this...it is like oil to me..
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18237593/Universal-Laws-Never-Before-Revealed-Keelys-Secrets .
I bought this book and got it scanned and put it on the internet because mm needed it.
I suppose it is like Lawrence tsung...seems like everybody has shut up.
You really talk of your own grumpy.
High 'Q' resonance allows the reproduction or copy of the original power factor to another circuit with no losses.
Thats right 'No declination'. The room full of tuning forks, the whole area of spinning magnets in their little bowls, Podkletnov shooting a magnetic toroid 200 kilometers with 'No declination', T.T.Brown pushing against physical objects.
Has anybody looked at EVGray's device simply working up against Hector Torre's single shaft device needing dynamic tuning? That answer is 'No'.
What has been said that is not supposed to exist on the internet? High 'Q' Resonance. Don't inject losses into the circuit. These losses are incorporated all of the time. The Bedini motor, Gotoluc reproductions, RE generation, and especially the Kunel patent! are all fine examples of BEMF as an indicator that a short term interface is viable. What about long term? E.V.Gray comes to mind, Tesla's earthquake engine comes to mind, Tesla's Arrow comes to mind. Other examples exist, like Stan Meyer, Bearden MEG and Searle engine. In certain models there are exotic materials or angles. Why? The real losses have not been dealt with at their most minuscle stages. Torres had to use dynamic electronic control because of the mechanical losses being transfered on a single shaft. EVGray decoupled these by using pulleys and belts and keep the prime mover field resonantly coupled to the load by parallel placement. Thrapp does this too. Hello? Where are the brains?
A very intelligent aquaintence of mine suggested I look for the box under Leedskalnin's tripod. That is where the secret is. Well the box is gone because when the tards found it they noticed the variable capacitors and coils in there and hung them on the work shop wall. Hello? Where are the brains? Ed had strung the distance of the LC circuit across the castle floor to produce a resonant field the size of which we don't use today. Hello? Really, where are the brains?
I posted a youtube of High 'Q' 34khz input that screamed a constant 5-6mghz. The coils were air core with perpendicular placement, no capacitors and no sparks. :D
What makes the blocking oscillator run?
The paddles are in place. Clear! PFVVVVT! It's alive! It's alive!
I believe there is an NDA in place that prohibits certain individuals from saying certain words. That accounts for mispellings from highly competent individuals. AND CERTAIN subjects not mentioned from certain mouths. The truth is truly in their silence or assumed abusiveness. Everybody see now? Things have always been very clear.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 10, 2009, 11:33:08 AM
Look at you i can see four question marks in your post.
That post is not back to basics, trust me.
I know what that is...
It is called endless rubbish.
Do you think there are people often wondering about your bench?...
Maybe you do not realize it but there are many...
We even wondered why you did not kick yourself from the forum.
You are one of them (and worse) ,leaving the others wounded.... :'(
Piss off, Loser. Just because you gave up doesn't mean everyone else should.
You have all been told how it works by many different people, but you choose to believe your own fantasies instead, while following an endless trail of ficticious bullshit.
Have you ever wondered why I have never asked any of you for anything?
I don't need a damn thing from any of you.
As for deleting myself, good idea - thanks!
Quote from: giantkiller on August 10, 2009, 12:56:27 PM
I believe there is an NDA in place that prohibits certain individuals from saying certain words. That accounts for mispellings from highly competent individuals. AND CERTAIN subjects not mentioned from certain mouths. The truth is truly in their silence or assumed abusiveness. Everybody see now? Things have always been very clear.
--giantkiller.
Not and NDA - a gag order. As in "talk about this and we can put you in prison".
Quote from: Grumpy on August 10, 2009, 02:05:30 PM
Piss off, Loser. Just because you gave up doesn't mean everyone else should.
You have all been told how it works by many different people, but you choose to believe your own fantasies instead, while following an endless trail of ficticious bullshit.
Have you ever wondered why I have never asked any of you for anything?
I don't need a damn thing from any of you.
As for deleting myself, good idea - thanks!
No need to call names.
Who told you i gave up ?
I never gave up dude.
Another wrong source it seems.
I just didn't want to be a part of the mess you created....
My research is very much alive.
I would be wasting my time wondering about you.
If there is anybody spreading bullshit it is you.
You and your meaningless words.
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Lost freedoms are only compounded into nightmares & fustrations when our dreams and aspirations are taken away, when we cannot teach to give.
I understand your position. Searl was thrown in prison while they burned his places down.
This is basic.
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 10, 2009, 02:45:43 PM
No need to call names.
Who told you i gave up ?
I never gave up dude.
Another wrong source it seems.
I just didn't want to be a part of the mess you created....
My research is very much alive.
I would be wasting my time wondering about you.
If there is anybody spreading bullshit it is you.
You and your meaningless words.
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Oh yes, the power lines. God Bless them.
That wins the "bullshit theory award" by far.
What "mess" did I create? I gave all of you a place to share your work, some of you decided to share it with the wrong people. The only "mess" is the one that you and people like you have created.
You know so much, go ahead, make everyone's day.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 10, 2009, 09:48:27 AM
It never hurts to start at the beginning...
What "state" is a conductor, load, battery, and space in before the conductor, load, and battery are connected to form a circuit?
What occurs in a conductor when it is first connected to a battery and a load?
Specifically, what occurs before the electrons start to drift along the conductor?
Is "electron drift" (conventional current) a secondary effect of other effects?
Can any of you answer these questions?
Guys, guys, come on, what's the point of attacking each other. Must be the heat wave.
@Grumpy
Here is my answer or at least part of my answer, but I am afraid you will not like it. Or maybe yes. It is definitely unconventional but this is where I have been stuck since then about such questions because the present answers of electricity "traveling in a wire" do not satisfy me at all. But I know the idea is new because if you do a Google search on what I call "spin conveyance", you will not get many results. Talk about unknown. lol
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6218.msg142123#msg142123
See?
I think it was Erfinder that first poised a similar question: how do you expect to create electricity, when you do not even know what it is?
Electricity does not exist without the answers to the questions that I just asked and there-in lies the secret.
The drifting electrons are just a secondary effect, which implies that you can apply the correct primary effects to produce this secondary effect. A handful of you reading this may have actually been taught this.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 10, 2009, 04:30:34 PM
Oh yes, the power lines. God Bless them.
That wins the "bullshit theory award" by far.
What "mess" did I create? I gave all of you a place to share your work, some of you decided to share it with the wrong people. The only "mess" is the one that you and people like you have created.
You know so much, go ahead, make everyone's day.
No not the powerlines you fool.
My god i never realized you were such an ass...
I gave you this,i gave you that, you sound like a complaining old woman.
You are just guessing.
And i'm glad because this means i did not share my work with the wrong people...
People like you.
Over and out.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 11, 2009, 12:04:25 AM
See?
I think it was Erfinder that first poised a similar question: how do you expect to create electricity, when you do not even know what it is?
Electricity does not exist without the answers to the questions that I just asked and there-in lies the secret.
The drifting electrons are just a secondary effect, which implies that you can apply the correct primary effects to produce this secondary effect. A handful of you reading this may have actually been taught this.
Taught - didn't believe. You apply 480 to a 480/240 transformer and it puts out 240. Put 240 to the secondary and the primary outputs 480.
Charge applied to a wire creates a magnetic field. The magnetic field creates 'conventional' current flow. The magnetic field leads current flow by 45 degrees. The charge leads the magnetic field by 45 degrees.
If you want to produce 'conventional' current flow in a wire you can produce the same magnetic field around the wire that would have been produced if charge was applied to the wire - at the same speed, direction and rotation around the wire.
The hard part is knowing the correct way a magnetic field is produced by current flow.
It isn't a tube-shaped field around the wire. It is a more like a spring but it rotates with the wire at the center.
Sorry.... Been a bit busy...
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 11, 2009, 12:19:44 AM
No not the powerlines you fool.
My god i never realized you were such an ass...
I gave you this,i gave you that, you sound like a complaining old woman.
You are just guessing.
And i'm glad because this means i did not share my work with the wrong people...
People like you.
Over and out.
Why don't you fake the TPU again, maybe you will learn something next time.
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You *THINK* you know me.
Big mistake.
Losers like you can only bash others to make up for your own shortcomings. You are right up there with all the other trolls, and your buddy IST.
Keep hiding behind your empty words.
You'll never "get it", but you sure will pretend that you have it...ROFLMFAO!!!
Quote from: BEP on August 11, 2009, 12:56:53 AM
Taught - didn't believe. You apply 480 to a 480/240 transformer and it puts out 240. Put 240 to the secondary and the primary outputs 480.
Charge applied to a wire creates a magnetic field. The magnetic field creates 'conventional' current flow. The magnetic field leads current flow by 45 degrees. The charge leads the magnetic field by 45 degrees.
If you want to produce 'conventional' current flow in a wire you can produce the same magnetic field around the wire that would have been produced if charge was applied to the wire - at the same speed, direction and rotation around the wire.
The hard part is knowing the correct way a magnetic field is produced by current flow.
It isn't a tube-shaped field around the wire. It is a more like a spring but it rotates with the wire at the center.
Sorry.... Been a bit busy...
BEP, I remember you stating once that your training including and additional field. I thought that it might have also included how the magnetic field is created that drives the electrons/ions to create conventional current.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 11, 2009, 09:29:26 AM
Why don't you fake the TPU again, maybe you will learn something next time.
Losers like you can only bash others to make up for your own shortcomings. You are right up there with all the other trolls, and your buddy IST.
Keep hiding behind your empty words.
You'll never "get it", but you sure will pretend that you have it...ROFLMFAO!!!
Your so right.....again.
Thats 3 in a row keep up the good work.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 11, 2009, 09:34:47 AM
BEP, I remember you stating once that your training including and additional field. I thought that it might have also included how the magnetic field is created that drives the electrons/ions to create conventional current.
Yes. I think you also know I don't usually bring it up as it can start fires :)
There is no doubt there is a third field (I still doubt 'field' is a proper description as 'field' is only a measurement of something, not that 'something' itself).
Folks always speak in terms of straight line movement. There is no such thing. When I mentioned 'charge' above I'm speaking of two things. Charge is normally thought of as a difference in potential. It is but it is also the spin of that potential. I think this is why a static charge can move a compass needle.
There will be no magnetic field unless charge has movement. Movement cannot happen without time.
If we want to create a usable current flow in a conductor we need to really understand things like induction. I don't believe the common book description is correct as the base theory uses itself to prove itself.
An EM wave is shown as two fields perpendicular to one another, magnetic and electric. Both are depicted and thought of as sinusoidal lines. This wave isn't the lines. It is what is between the lines. If you can think of it this way you can see an EM sine wave is - at its base - a series of compressions and decompressions. When you have two perpendicular fields you will have angular momentum. It is well known in radio propagation that a transmitted signal always rotates.
So does current flow in a wire and the magnetic field around that wire.
There would be no rotation without a third field. Call it what you want.
There are three basic fields in nature, which manifest mathematically as gradient, divergence and curl, or; tempic, electric and magnetic.
When you understand this you should have a real understanding of why the speed of light can be varied just by the mass it travels. Lately, to the point of taking several minutes to transverse a few feet of crystal. The speed of light is constant. The overall tempic is not constant to the traveler. Only the local tempic is constant to the traveler.
We also need to understand the difference between particle velocity and group velocity. After all, the group velocity of a charge or magnetic field change can do the same as change of velocity of a charge or magnetic field.
Then you get into so-called 'left-handed' actions. This is nothing more than the group velocity being the reverse of particle or wave velocity. You have seen it when watching a fan turn. At some point the blades appear to run backwards. That is negative group velocity. Group velocity can also be far more than velocity of a particle or wave.
So there you have it. Drift current is incredibly slow. It can be mm per second while the force can be seen almost instantaneously at the other end of the wire. This is line charge.
You also have surface charge (skin-effect) and spatial charge (dielectric charge). Of the three the latter is the biggest speed demon. It will not be deterred by a magnetic field as easily as the other two.
This leads into the 'cancellation' thoughts. Total cancellation of a magnetic field is not possible, or is it? If it is then the total absence of a magnetic field means that space must be filled with spatial charge. Parametric pump perhaps?
So, yes. We need to go back to basics. But we must understand what those are.
My comments are not derailments of thought. To me it is just the way it is. The interaction of fields is the ultimate answer.
We also need to stop thinking in linear terms. A toroid is not a straight line. Circumference requires the use of pi in the math. If you want pulses on the control coils to meet those on the collectors you must use pi or they will never meet.
Sorry about the big wind. Must be the coffee ;D
P.S.
I see we are back to basics :D Insults, name calling, etc. It is good to see things are going back to normal ::)
Thanks, BEP. Great post.
bep
you rock bro
marco and grumpy get along ...... >:(
grumpy ... when i get moved youll eat your words ... sir!! :D
;D ;D
im not gonna start anything ...
right now ... my hands have been tied for some time
NOW IM A CUT SOME RUG .... ;)
you all know how my stuff works ... lol
you can complacate the whole thing with all the big words ... but it all comes back to the kick ...
;D
here is an idea for YOU ALL
if i pulse 1 pulse per min.... and it is say 1 amp at 12 vdc for simplisity i use thease numbers ...
now i cut the pulse .. i have say 15 v returned at 1.5a ....this is hypoticatlly speeking ...
ok
now do it 10 000 times a second ....... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o duh ... how hard was that ...
so lets say i get an extra 10 watts ... in 1 pulse .... what will the result be if i do it faster ..... ;D ;)
in ordor to do it faster ... fast release times on the material is important ... to avoid extra heating and stress on the core material ... and coils ... feroite works well as does aircore ...
i can go on and on .... if you like but my words fall on blind eyes .... and def ears ...
ist!
i guess its my fault ... 8)
Quote from: innovation_station on August 11, 2009, 12:07:17 PM
i can go on and on .... if you like but my words fall on blind eyes .... and def ears ...
Not at all Bro! Some of your posts yank a knot in my tail. I keep thinking I'll get your former location by a news report about a black hole appearing somewhere in the burbs :D
;D ;D
i guess it depends upon dirrection of spinn no ?
:D
yes i do know ... if you make an eather spinner in the wrong way ... sure you will open a hole that will burn more than just your tpu ... but if it was done in the other dirrection would it not enfoce the earths feild .... potencially solveing the uv thing the ozone layer sealing up the holes the in the ionphsere
and keeping the real bad ones out ... sheeh ... it might even put the plannet back where it should be .... no ?
just rambles and babbles for now ... ;) :D ;D 8)
me! ;)
I remember that SM said that TPU is nothing like all other claimed OU devices except maybe Hendershot device. Is that correct ? That would be of great help if I can find if that was really said...
Quote from: BEP on August 11, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
Yes. I think you also know I don't usually bring it up as it can start fires :)
There is no doubt there is a third field (I still doubt 'field' is a proper description as 'field' is only a measurement of something, not that 'something' itself).
Folks always speak in terms of straight line movement. There is no such thing. When I mentioned 'charge' above I'm speaking of two things. Charge is normally thought of as a difference in potential. It is but it is also the spin of that potential. I think this is why a static charge can move a compass needle.
There will be no magnetic field unless charge has movement. Movement cannot happen without time.
If we want to create a usable current flow in a conductor we need to really understand things like induction. I don't believe the common book description is correct as the base theory uses itself to prove itself.
An EM wave is shown as two fields perpendicular to one another, magnetic and electric. Both are depicted and thought of as sinusoidal lines. This wave isn't the lines. It is what is between the lines. If you can think of it this way you can see an EM sine wave is - at its base - a series of compressions and decompressions. When you have two perpendicular fields you will have angular momentum. It is well known in radio propagation that a transmitted signal always rotates.
So does current flow in a wire and the magnetic field around that wire.
There would be no rotation without a third field. Call it what you want.
There are three basic fields in nature, which manifest mathematically as gradient, divergence and curl, or; tempic, electric and magnetic.
When you understand this you should have a real understanding of why the speed of light can be varied just by the mass it travels. Lately, to the point of taking several minutes to transverse a few feet of crystal. The speed of light is constant. The overall tempic is not constant to the traveler. Only the local tempic is constant to the traveler.
We also need to understand the difference between particle velocity and group velocity. After all, the group velocity of a charge or magnetic field change can do the same as change of velocity of a charge or magnetic field.
Then you get into so-called 'left-handed' actions. This is nothing more than the group velocity being the reverse of particle or wave velocity. You have seen it when watching a fan turn. At some point the blades appear to run backwards. That is negative group velocity. Group velocity can also be far more than velocity of a particle or wave.
So there you have it. Drift current is incredibly slow. It can be mm per second while the force can be seen almost instantaneously at the other end of the wire. This is line charge.
You also have surface charge (skin-effect) and spatial charge (dielectric charge). Of the three the latter is the biggest speed demon. It will not be deterred by a magnetic field as easily as the other two.
This leads into the 'cancellation' thoughts. Total cancellation of a magnetic field is not possible, or is it? If it is then the total absence of a magnetic field means that space must be filled with spatial charge. Parametric pump perhaps?
So, yes. We need to go back to basics. But we must understand what those are.
My comments are not derailments of thought. To me it is just the way it is. The interaction of fields is the ultimate answer.
We also need to stop thinking in linear terms. A toroid is not a straight line. Circumference requires the use of pi in the math. If you want pulses on the control coils to meet those on the collectors you must use pi or they will never meet.
Sorry about the big wind. Must be the coffee ;D
P.S.
I see we are back to basics :D Insults, name calling, etc. It is good to see things are going back to normal ::)
one of the most valuable posts here.
"This leads into the 'cancellation' thoughts. Total cancellation of a magnetic field is not possible, or is it? If it is then the total absence of a magnetic field means that space must be filled with spatial charge. Parametric pump perhaps?"
GIVE ME AN ANSWER PLEASE! How to cancel magnetic field ?
Can two magnetic field coexists in the same space or they interact each other pushing or attracting ? This IS the key to Free Energy
The Kunel patent shows a way to accomplish this. Then the reconnect.
Quote from: forest on August 12, 2009, 10:24:31 AM
"This leads into the 'cancellation' thoughts. Total cancellation of a magnetic field is not possible, or is it? If it is then the total absence of a magnetic field means that space must be filled with spatial charge. Parametric pump perhaps?"
GIVE ME AN ANSWER PLEASE! How to cancel magnetic field ?
Can two magnetic field coexists in the same space or they interact each other pushing or attracting ? This IS the key to Free Energy
Hello all,
@forest
a total cancellation IS possible. I have 2 compasses inside my 1 ring TPU and a magnetic needle hanging over my TPU and the needles dont move. No magnetic field!!
Im only pulsating my copper core. Copper is not magnetic.
@ to a honoured member of this forum who has sent me a PM
1. its clear that we need 3 collectors. But Im talking about TUNED collectors.
So, as I saw, the collectors are only a few turns for each frequency. As they are not so long, they are not heavy.
2. yesterday I wrote about a core. Who said to use an iron core in a TPU???
I WAS TALKING ABOUT A COPPER CORE!! And I have one. Weight of my core??
1 ring of my copper core = 2 POUNDS!!! = around 17 turns for my 15" TPU.
3. Buddy, its your work and I dont want to prove you right or wrong.
@All
DAMN IT, would somebody tell us all why a 4" TPU has the weight of 1 POUND??? Maybe there are really bananas inside??
NO dont say its the copper from the collectors or controls!!! I dont want to read such a crap about loooooooong coils. A very long time I saw that a TPU has only short coils.
So, again, what is sooooo heavy in a TPU??
Otto
PS: a time ago I have bought sixty (60) pounds of thin copper. Guess why??
Quote from: forest on August 12, 2009, 10:24:31 AM
"This leads into the 'cancellation' thoughts. Total cancellation of a magnetic field is not possible, or is it? If it is then the total absence of a magnetic field means that space must be filled with spatial charge. Parametric pump perhaps?"
GIVE ME AN ANSWER PLEASE! How to cancel magnetic field ?
Can two magnetic field coexists in the same space or they interact each other pushing or attracting ? This IS the key to Free Energy
Understand that the post of mine you reference is my opinion.
Think of magnetic flux as a body of water. You can make many different disturbances, ripples, focal points in that one body of water. Call each one of those a field.
If you draw magnetic field lines of any magnet then continue to extend those lines they will be part of the next largest or local magnet.
You can't have two or more magnetic fields in the same place and time because they are all part of the same whole. The best you can do is deflect, bend, twist and most difficult, break the connection.
Key to free energy? Maybe.
It takes a great deal of force to break a field line. The amount of charge released during the reconnection is supposed to be great. Will it be more than the force needed to break the connection? Some scientists seem to think so.
One thing is clear to me. You can create a small area of extremely low magnetic flux. When you do that the same area becomes highly positively charged.
If you wish to experiment with this you should do your own research. I don't see a point in it here as I can't say it has a great deal to do with a TPU.
Is the magnetic field around a current carrying wire circular or radial?
I know that eveyone is told that it is circular, but is it?
Ed Leedscalnin said it is whirl in spiral propagating straight and I tend to agree
nice to see you here otto....
cork!!
lol
i know the tpu can be built many ways ...
i have found not to cancel the magnetic feilds but to REMOVE THE FEILD THAT CAUSES THE DRAGGGG... ;D
I HAVE SUCCEDIED IN DOING THIS ..
in a mechanical pulse motor as i take work from it ... science would seem to sedjust that the motor should slow down as im getting work from it ... but in fact it does the oppsite ..and accelerates ..
why ... ;D
because i removed the returneing engery that is causeing the fight !! or i redirrected it and i found the higher the voltage i remove the faster it will spinn to ballance ...... this is how i could use a 12vdc supply to charge any value dc voltage i desire ...
agin this is but part of my tpu...
not the entire unit
ist!
copper air iron core ferroite core does it really matter to get the OU GRAIL ... it can be achieved by all core methods...
as i choose to think !!
Quote from: otto on August 12, 2009, 12:49:56 PM
Hello all,
@All
DAMN IT, would somebody tell us all why a 4" TPU has the weight of 1 POUND??? Maybe there are really bananas inside??
NO dont say its the copper from the collectors or controls!!! I dont want to read such a crap about loooooooong coils. A very long time I saw that a TPU has only short coils.
So, again, what is sooooo heavy in a TPU??
Otto
PS: a time ago I have bought sixty (60) pounds of thin copper. Guess why??
@otto
Thank you @otto for pushing this question again and again and it has pushed me to analyze this question further. I think I can clear up this misunderstanding about cores versus collector versus outer ring material, etc., because everyone is always confused when we discuss about cores, but I think I now understand your position and I do agree. I edited this post several times and removed some points that I do not think guys are ready for. I will do some further testing myself and this will confirm what I have suspected.
Yes there are cores in the TPUs. But let's not get too confused.
FTPU Core - Center toroid with fine multi-strand wound coils. I am now convinced this toroid is a dual coil wind with multi-strands. On one side the strands are in series, the other side the strands are parallel and this will give you a step down transformer.
OTPU Core - Toroid hidden behind the circuit board same as FTPU.
So at this point SM made these open devices that I am sure he did not like because they showed too much of the device. You can see this in the videos as he tries very hard to always have his hand in front of the TPUs.
After these first two devices, SM was surely in paranoia mode because the TPUs were open designs. So he did some major brainstorming to see how he could fit the "useful parts" of the first two TPUs into a new design that will NOT GIVE AWAY ANY SECRETS. So he eventually decided to make his TPU in a donut shape and being taped over, this surely set his demo comfort level to a higher degree.
STPU and 6TPU Cores - Hey, where the hell is the center toroid? (lol) Well it is simple. He used a 4" toroidal core for the STPU and a 6" toroidal core for the 6TPU since such toroidal cores are openly available on the market with an easy 3/4" core spread from O.D. to I.D. Easy to talk about, yes, so I have included spec sheets on each size. LOOK AT THE MASS WEIGHTS. lol
NOW.... @otto asks who is using cores. Here starts the confusion. @otto is equating the STPU and 6TPU having no vissible toroidal center core as meaning the core has to be inside the outer ring. HE IS RIGHT. But we neglect that such size toroidal cores are readily available whereas the 15" and 17" are not. That's why SM used the FTPU toroid with thicker gauge wire on the bigger units. Otto is confusing this and saying since the STPU and 6TPU must have a core in its outer ring, then the 15" and 17" TPUs must also have a core in the outer rings, but I think they do not. The cores in the MTPU and LTPU are again the center toroid(s). If I talk now about the outer rings, then I am sure I will create great commotion so I will refrain until I do my tests. lol
MTPU and LTPU Cores. Obviously, SM wanted to continue his donut shape TPU because everything was covered over and he did not have to spend time worrying about giving out any more secrets. But obviously he could not find a toroidal core of 15" or 17" so he used a center toroid like the FTPU but this time the winding of the toroid coil was one thicker gauge wire per coil, and in the LTPU he used two of these. WHY? I am now convinced the power production of the MTPU and LTPU coming out of the outer ring in these two units did not require any stepping down. In the LTPU half the total juice went to one toroid side that was just used to stabilize the output via the core. So the other side of each core goes directly to output via the two black capacitor that are in series to handle the voltage levels.
I am also convinced that the SM TPUs did not require the donut shape but that this shape was psychologically more acceptable as an OU device then a little black box. If I gave you a donut TPU of 15 inches cube, or, a black box TPU of 15 inches cube, which one would insight more skepticism? Bingo..... you will look at the black box and say, "yeh, but that box could have just about anything inside it", whereas when you look at the donut, you think, "wow, that nifty little device is really powerful". lol
Plus, once he made the first STPU and 6TPU with the bigger toroid cores, the novelty of such a portable and handy shape became set in stone, so much so, that people did not really notice that the MTPU and LTPU were not as handy and they had visible center toroid(s), with loads of wire all over the place. No one made the link. And no one noticed the double thickness of the bases of these bigger TPUs. lol
Now I know why when he checked the amperage of the LTPU, it was the highest over the two toroid cores. Those outputs went directly to those toroids to stabilize the voltage. The LTPU toroids were identical winds on each side so there was no step down like the FTPU. The voltage and amperage ability was supplied in two halves to the toroids to show the outputs as in the video. lol
When you measure the output of the TPU, you only measure what can be consumed. This does not include what is recirculated inside the TPU.
In conclusion, @otto, please realize that the SM TPUs have only toroidal cores because that's all SM really needed for a core transfer. Hopefully I will be able to concretely prove this soon enough.
Oops, I will stop here.
wattsup
PS: The above does not mean that I think what you are doing is not right. Do what you think is right and go with your hunches and experiments and learn new things is how a real TPU will come to life. The end result is what counts.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 12, 2009, 04:27:30 PM
Is the magnetic field around a current carrying wire circular or radial?
I know that eveyone is told that it is circular, but is it?
It is radial and spirals around the wire. It isn't circular. If so, it would be a monopole, wouldn't it ;)
Quote from: BEP on August 13, 2009, 12:02:02 AM
It is radial and spirals around the wire. It isn't circular. If so, it would be a monopole, wouldn't it ;)
Do electrons spin to the right or the left?
Quote from: HeairBear on August 13, 2009, 12:24:02 AM
Do electrons spin to the right or the left?
Is this going to become a test of my knowledge on classic and quantum physics? I was taught a little of both and one more. Which shall it be?
Should I keep my answers at the level of an electron being a particle, a spherical wave, or both as it truly is? At least, that is the going theory.
For the general audience: There is no left or right spin. It is either spin-up or spin-down and can be either depending upon the spin orientation of the neighboring electrons.
I'll be glad when I can get back to the bench so I don't have the need to entertain myself as a PC hero.
Quote from: BEP on August 13, 2009, 01:12:11 AM
I'll be glad when I can get back to the bench so I don't have the need to entertain myself as a PC hero.
I rather enjoy it when you are ;D
.99
Hello all,
@wattsup
yes, I agree, SM TPUs have only toroidal cores. Thats clear. I made 2 of such cores - capacitors each with 2 pounds of copper.
What do you mean with a "core transfer"??
Otto
Quote from: BEP on August 13, 2009, 01:12:11 AM
Is this going to become a test of my knowledge on classic and quantum physics? I was taught a little of both and one more. Which shall it be?
Should I keep my answers at the level of an electron being a particle, a spherical wave, or both as it truly is? At least, that is the going theory.
For the general audience: There is no left or right spin. It is either spin-up or spin-down and can be either depending upon the spin orientation of the neighboring electrons.
I'll be glad when I can get back to the bench so I don't have the need to entertain myself as a PC hero.
I apologize if my question offended you and your intelligence. I only asked to possibly verify the answer. It is my understanding that when winding coils, a clockwise(right) winding affects electron spin and the anti-clockwise wind(left) affects proton spin. I felt this information would fit with the title "Back to the basics" or is my question too basic?
Sorry @HeairBear.
I'm just frustrated. I get that way when I spend too much time away from the bench.
As far as coil winding direction.... I've never seen any difference except magnetic polarity given the same electrical polarity applied.
Quote from: BEP on August 13, 2009, 08:22:15 AM
As far as coil winding direction.... I've never seen any difference except magnetic polarity given the same electrical polarity applied.
My experiments so far show the same as you described, although, I have yet to try two coils wound opposite from each other or non-inductive bifilar coils in efforts to cancel out the EM field. Scalar energy?
Some day I will get around to testing a mobius coil for the infinite resonance bit. The same effects should be for a bifilar wound accordingly. So, I imagine...
Is there a specific build of the many TPU's you are basing your ideas on?
Quote from: BEP on August 13, 2009, 12:02:02 AM
It is radial and spirals around the wire. It isn't circular. If so, it would be a monopole, wouldn't it ;)
Thanks BEP. This is why I brought it up in the first place.
When I first posed the question at the start of this thread, I wanted to see if anyone knew that there are two opposite "things" that flow before the electrons drift. Wheatstone proved that there is a "flow" of "something" from each end of the circuit in an experiment with three spark gaps in series. The center (second) gap always arcs after the first and third gaps - contrary to the linear propagation we are taught to believe.
Does the north pole of a compass always point toward a wire carrying current or does the south pole point to the wire half in half of the circuit? In other words, does the mag field along the wire ever flip?
I'll try to answer later. Right now I'm supposed to be out solving other's problems before they happen :D
Reminds me of this:
http://www.rexresearch.com/szili/szili.htm
Spider
Quote from: Grumpy on August 13, 2009, 09:04:41 AM
Wheatstone proved that there is a "flow" of "something" from each end of the circuit in an experiment with three spark gaps in series. The center (second) gap always arcs after the first and third gaps - contrary to the linear propagation we are taught to believe.
I wonder how many have seen this. Most wouldn't believe it if they did.
Quote
Does the north pole of a compass always point toward a wire carrying current or does the south pole point to the wire half in half of the circuit? In other words, does the mag field along the wire ever flip?
This is an interesting point. A confusing one too.
In a single conductor the compass points across the wire, if it is centered on the wire. DC, AC, and pulses confuse it too. Anything but DC (not pulsed) may show a flip between nodes and anti-nodes if the frequency is high enough.
Drop a small doughnut magnet onto a steel rod of good length. It will rotate as it drops. If the rod is long enough the spin will change direction. This happens even if you magnetize the rod with one polarity from end to end. I once thought this was due to rod manufacture or metal imperfections.
Not so. Even after I anneal the rod while pointing it different directions the same happens.
Later folks. Gotta earn some geld.
Quote from: BEP on August 13, 2009, 09:19:43 AM
I wonder how many have seen this. Most wouldn't believe it if they did.
This is an interesting point. A confusing one too.
In a single conductor the compass points across the wire, if it is centered on the wire. DC, AC, and pulses confuse it too. Anything but DC (not pulsed) may show a flip between nodes and anti-nodes if the frequency is high enough.
Drop a small doughnut magnet onto a steel rod of good length. It will rotate as it drops. If the rod is long enough the spin will change direction. This happens even if you magnetize the rod with one polarity from end to end. I once thought this was due to rod manufacture or metal imperfections.
Not so. Even after I anneal the rod while pointing it different directions the same happens.
Later folks. Gotta earn some geld.
There is a little more to the Wheatstone experiment than just two sparks and three gaps. He was able to measure the velocity at 288,000 miles per second. This is 1.54 times 186,000 miles per second. As some of you may recall, Tesla also measured this velocity (or something very close to it) for longitudinal waves. I don;t recall anyone eery bringing this up before, but several people have mentioned that something flows or propagates from each side of the circuit. See attached.
On the magnet in a tube, it falls at an angle if the tube is slit. I can't recall what the explanation was for this.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 13, 2009, 11:55:45 AM
There is a little more to the Wheatstone experiment than just two sparks and three gaps. He was able to measure the velocity at 288,000 miles per second. This is 1.54 times 186,000 miles per second. As some of you may recall, Tesla also measured this velocity (or something very close to it) for longitudinal waves. I don;t recall anyone eery bringing this up before, but several people have mentioned that something flows or propagates from each side of the circuit. See attached.
On the magnet in a tube, it falls at an angle if the tube is slit. I can't recall what the explanation was for this.
Wheatstone was a true genius. He should have won some kind of prize using the mirror as he did.
The average speed of a moving spatial charge? About c*1.625. re: Borderlands and the professor/student group that dropped off the planet after they submitted a paper with confirming experiments a couple of years ago.
Current being two entwined opposite forces..... Yes sir!
I don't know what you were told on the magnet falling on a slit tube but....
It falls on an angle because...
Lets say the tube is a wooden rod instead.
If that rod is perfectly vertical the magnet will have a different angle depending upon the test location (North or South hemisphere) and which magnet pole is facing down. One pole down the magnet will try to right itself to the Earth's magnetic field. The other pole down the magnet will tend to fall the same angle it was released.
Kind of the same reason I think early TPUs liked to work spin-up vs. spin-down and reverse when tried in the other hemisphere.
My guess is the output polarity was also reversed in the Southern hemisphere.
Quote from: BEP on August 13, 2009, 10:48:55 PM
Wheatstone was a true genius. He should have won some kind of prize using the mirror as he did.
The average speed of a moving spatial charge? About c*1.625. re: Borderlands and the professor/student group that dropped off the planet after they submitted a paper with confirming experiments a couple of years ago.
Current being two entwined opposite forces..... Yes sir!
I don't know what you were told on the magnet falling on a slit tube but....
It falls on an angle because...
Lets say the tube is a wooden rod instead.
If that rod is perfectly vertical the magnet will have a different angle depending upon the test location (North or South hemisphere) and which magnet pole is facing down. One pole down the magnet will try to right itself to the Earth's magnetic field. The other pole down the magnet will tend to fall the same angle it was released.
Kind of the same reason I think early TPUs liked to work spin-up vs. spin-down and reverse when tried in the other hemisphere.
My guess is the output polarity was also reversed in the Southern hemisphere.
There have been a few groups that dropped out of sight after showing "too much" progress in the last 3 decades.
On the slit pipe experiment:
http://www.16pi2.com/eddy_currents.htm
I agree that reversing spin direction would reverse lead polarity.
The rotating stuff probably couples to magnetic fields in an unusual way...
;)
The magnetic field could also take on a form of a torus around a conductor. The virtual particles being accelerated on the inner diameter. Like a smoke ring where the current through the eye of the torus accelerates the torroidal shell currents. Friction accelerates the particles on the inside of the Torus which increases the torroidal shell current velocity. Reverse the current through the eye of the torus and the torridal shell currents are now resisted and the torus disintegrates. The magnetic torroidal acceleration can also provide for the effect we call inductance. The torroid taking energy to form into it's inertial framework and then giving this energy back as the torroidal currents wind down. Now superimpose two of these torroids with opposing torroidal shell currents and the magnetic field seems to disappear. Space the conductors with opposing tcurrents just far enough apart like in a bifilar arrangement where the outer torroid currents interfere. They interefere in such a manner as to allow energy transfer from one torrus to the next very quickly. An acceleration of the say outer torrus virtual partical velocity loops it's way through the torroidal matrix and reaches the inner turn torroid faster than the electrical current can travel through the length of the coil wire . Much like torque increase on a loaded gear train appearing pretty quick on the output shaft torque. The input energy if not drawn from bifilar coil (tesla's pancake coil/energy capacitor) the initial input energy is stored as the entire magnetic currents of the matrix stepup a notch due to the input. The magnetic current reaching the inner torroid then reflectikng right back to the outer.
Wow already another 5 pages added to the Grumpy mess...this is going fast.
Let's see ,What is the result so far?
Quote from: Grumpy on August 13, 2009, 11:46:18 PM
probably
Probably?? isn't good enough ,so if there is anybody not going to get it, it will be you :)
When are you people going to realize that adding posts to these threads isn't going to deliver working models?
This is going on for so long and the result is hundred,thousants of posts in various threads and all with the outcome 0.
I don't think people really want to build these things, i think they only want to talk and speculate.
Sad story...
M.
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 15, 2009, 12:49:05 AM
Wow already another 5 pages added to the Grumpy mess...this is going fast.
Let's see ,What is the result so far?
Probably?? isn't good enough ,so if there is anybody not going to get it, it will be you :)
When are you people going to realize that adding posts to these threads isn't going to deliver working models?
This is going on for so long and the result is hundred,thousants of posts in various threads and all with the outcome 0.
I don't think people really want to build these things, i think they only want to talk and speculate.
Sad story...
M.
Marco, once again you prove that you just don't get it. Do you think my posts are just idle speculation? Perhaps you just can read, or you have a learning disability.
Much of what I post is meant to be read by people that never post. Not by you or anyone else that talks out the side of their head. The rest is to make people think. If you want a "how to" guide - write your own.
By the way, you won't get funding if you can't get it to work. Seems fate has as sense of irony.
Just because people do not show these things, does not mean they are not "building". You talk about "building", but what have you shown that works? Not a damn thing, and you would be smart to keep it that way.
Do you think that nothing happens outside the web? LOL!
Keep thinking that...
Quote from: Grumpy on August 15, 2009, 01:29:57 AM
Do you think my posts are just idle speculation?
They are.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 15, 2009, 01:29:57 AM
If you want a "how to" guide - write your own.
I am actually doing exactly this and the first three lines make more sense than all your posts grouped together.......
Why?
Because they are a result of experimentation, and you can't beat that with all of your guesswork!
how does a tpu work what is THE CORRECT OPERATION OF A TPU
well now LETS HAVE A LOOK 8) :o :o :o :o
IST!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3eI4SVDyME
INDUCTION .... ;D
A CHANGEING MAGNETIC FEILD... HUMMMMMMMM 8)
PEACE X2
W
PS HELL WITH FUNDING ... I MAY WELL KNOCK ONE OF THEASE UP TODAY!!
SPEEKER WIRE ... IRON RING ... 4 JT 1 RING .... ALL SAME DIRRECTION ... PULSED 1234 1234
EACH JT IS THE SAME TURNS AND WIRE LENGTH ...
KEY TUNE TO THE CORE MATERIAL ...
JUST CUZ ITS THE BDAY .... ILL BUILD 2 ONE WITH A CUT CORE AND 1 WITH A SOLID RING CORE ...
You will note that in SM devices there always appears to be two collector windings. Upper and Lower levels and in the masterpiece crossection we see upper and lower collector rings again. I imagine we could call the collectors stacked. Now if we take a bunch of coils and space them apart so that the magnetic fields interfere constructively and if Leedskalin is right as the current flows through the collector windings magnetic particles will flow from one torroidal magnetic field to the next. This will transfer energy from collector A to collector B. If there is a torroidal flow of magnetic particles already established in the Earth field as there appears to be then the Earth becomes just another part of the stack. If the stacked torroidal magnetic fields take on a cone shape eg Tesla's magnifying transmitter then the small torroidal magnetic field at the end of the stack experiences an acceleration of it's torroidal shell magnetic current like water flowing through a raceway trying to conserve inertia. So magnetic energy is concentrated in the final stage in the form of a high speed magnetic dynamo current trying to keep up with the flow in the big torroid. Like having this giant gear spinning a tiny output gear. Now we need to have some change in the magnetic circuit to convert this highvelocity magnetic current into a bumpy one so conventional induction can occur. We need a magnetic valve. Enter the kick. The kick closes down a magnetic valve very quickly and the flow now has some vibration or wave properties to it. You could close the valve at 5000hz or whatever as long as it is efficient. SM was an audio engineer so 5k would be a frequency he is well versed in dealing with.
Thanks for everyone's input. This thread has served it's purpose.
EDIT:
Marco,
Go ahead and post your "how to" guide. Post all your experiments and your interpretations and conclusions.
Go ahead and post a working energy-producing device that utilizes these principles.
Go ahead and make everyone's day.
@grumpy
did i have tell to everyone here that @marco is issss not good friend
maybe marco is here for anather reason here MAYBE <PUT ALL FRIENDs DOWN >
Why is that mac?
What did i do wrong?
You were the one that said for me is easy.
I can buy anything i want...
That is what you said,and that is why i do not like you.
Does that make me a no good friend?
You should not judge people like that because you do not know if i can buy anything i want.
In fact i have worked very hard for anything i have,just like other people do too.
So what is exactly easy?
It tells more about you then about me.
So don't go talking about me being no good friend.
I just don't want to be your friend because you think your the poor guy...and others have all the money they need, which is not always the case.
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 15, 2009, 03:55:28 PM
Why is that mac?
What did i do wrong?
You were the one that said for me is easy.
I can buy anything i want...
That is what you said,and that is why i do not like you.
Does that make me a no good friend?
You should not judge people like that because you do not know if i can buy anything i want.
In fact i have worked very hard for anything i have,just like other people do too.
So what is exactly easy?
It tells more about you then about me.
So don't go talking about me being no good friend.
I just don't want to be your friend because you think your the poor guy...and others have all the money they need, which is not always the case.
OK Marco.
You want to show real experiments, real results?
I'll help you where I can. No more talk of this and that.
No theories or philosophy in your build thread. No contradictions without physical proof.No showing of builds that are not related.You must start the thread so that you may lock it when the trolls get out of hand - as they soon will.
You choose what to show, discuss, etc.
You might want a thread you can moderate so you can delete the BS.
Leave it wide open. No secluded in any way. Just keep it clean.
Game?
I am sorry i do not have enough time to moderate any threads.
You can always start with these two elements:
Bring them close togheter play with it ,and think about the up side down issue.
Introduce other metals and think about why it detunes the device.
Also OTTO think about your core!!!
The ferrite rod antenna concentrates the magnetic component of radio waves.
But it also concentrates the earths field...It makes visible what it realy looks like, and that isn't what a compass shows, at all..
This is simple stuff let me know what you find, then we can compare our results.
Marco.
Image Source:
http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/antennas/ferrite_rod_antenna/ferrite_rod_antenna.php
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ferrite_antenna.jpg
@
all
i have traed to find solution for how to move magnet fild auround some coils whit no moving parts
WE ALL MAKE
NO MOVING FILD
THAT IS VRONG
I HAVE PROVET LONG TIME AGO WHIT MY VIDO WHIT TWO SMALL MAGNET IN DOME TOROID
AND I HAVE INCREASING FREK 4 TIMES
ONE KICK GENERATHING 4 KICKS
IF I PUT ONE KICK AND INCREASIN TO 1000KICK MAYBE I WHILL HAVE /......
You are all talking about kick but do we really know what this "kick" is ? Do we talk about the same "kick" ?
I've always thought that the key to understanding TPU was in secret SM statement about many different currents flowing in the same wire independently:
"The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt
DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current!
They are both completely independent of each other except for
some very interesting things I will mention to you some other
time.."
Quote from: -[marco]- on August 16, 2009, 06:28:01 AM
I am sorry i do not have enough time to moderate any threads.
You can always start with these two elements:
Bring them close togheter play with it ,and think about the up side down issue.
Introduce other metals and think about why it detunes the device.
Also OTTO think about your core!!!
The ferrite rod antenna concentrates the magnetic component of radio waves.
But it also concentrates the earths field...It makes visible what it realy looks like, and that isn't what a compass shows, at all..
This is simple stuff let me know what you find, then we can compare our results.
Marco.
Image Source:
http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/antennas/ferrite_rod_antenna/ferrite_rod_antenna.php
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ferrite_antenna.jpg
@marco
Are you really saying what i think ...
The compass dose show a constant field , we all live in that field so everything should be contained within a directional field , that field kicks back when under electrical/magnetic stress ...
If we have a constant directional field we should have direction in current too ...
momentary angular movement of a few degrees - ccw - northern hemisphere
everything vertical
pretty sure it is only during the change, and this would be expected
(used a 3/8" bolt as I do not have a suitable ferrite)
guys, would something like this work?
Use a magnet instead of a ferrite, the reason being that its magnetic domains are already saturated and aligned, and so it will act as a nonlinear device, and MIX two different frequencies.
The external frequency is 5 kHz (from the earth, power lines, radio tower, etc.....)
The driving frequency is 20 kHz (simple timer driving MOSFET, with some zener protection)
The output is the resonant tank tuned to 25 kHz,
Since the core is nonlinear (magnet) it will mix 5 and 20 kHz to produce 15 and 25 kHz, but the output tank is tuned to 25 kHz, so this is the only frequency that will be amplified and highly resonant. It's output power should be more than what we put in due to the external contribution.
Just throwing out ideas, sorry if I'm off topic.
EM
P.S. Or maybe a bias magnet/ferrite arrangement will give us that nonlinear core that we need here. (see second picture)
wow, this info is dynamite, look at this link, this has to be what is occurring in the TPUs, this could be the high Q method that is being implemented. The collector wires have to be magnetostrictive (nickel perhaps?, iron?) I wish SM would confirm for sure what those wires are made of. Even the topology of using two coils (transmitter and receiver) could make sense in his TPUs. Hmm, I need to explore these concepts some more, time to take out the tool box again.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/high-tech-gadgets/anti-shoplifting-device5.htm
QuoteAM material is highly magnetostrictive, which means that when you put the tag material in a magnetic field, it physically shrinks. The higher the magnetic field strength the smaller the metal becomes. The metal actually shrinks about one-thousandth of an inch over its full 1.50 inch length.
As a result of driving the tag with a magnetic field, the tag is physically getting smaller and larger. So if it is driven at a mechanically resonant frequency, it works like a tuning fork, absorbing energy and beginning to ring.
This tag also requires bias magnet material in addition to active element material. The active material will shrink no matter which direction the magnetic field is placed upon it. If the tag is driven with Frequency, F, it gets smaller as the magnetic field increases and larger as it's driven towards zero. This means that while it is being driven at F, the tag is trying to work at 2F, because at both positive and negative halves of the drive signal, the tag is getting smaller. To get the tag to work at F, a bias field is required. The bias is provided by a semi-hard magnetic element in the label. When magnetized, the bias prevents the active element from ever being in a zero field condition. So for an entire half of the drive signal, the tag shrinks. Then it expands for the other half. This results in an F response.
EM
@EM
I have no doubt magnetostriction plays a part in a TPU. There is a very good chance this part is key.
Please do remember that one important key about a magnetostrictive oscillator is the fact that the main resonant frequency is that of the core material, not the coils or tanks surrounding it.
This can easily put you into the very low frequencies. Also, if this deformation is going around in a circle there is a better chance you can amplify it. Talk about the frequencies being dependent upon the circumference!
Definitely not magnetostriction.
Maybe not. I have enough movement problems with no ferrous materials in my current build. A current carrying wire in a static magnetic field moves with a change in current.
Change the dielectric field around that same wire, in a rotary fashion, also within a static magnetic field for more movement.
Quote from: BEP on August 17, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
Maybe not. I have enough movement problems with no ferrous materials in my current build. A current carrying wire in a static magnetic field moves with a change in current.
Change the dielectric field around that same wire, in a rotary fashion, also within a static magnetic field for more movement.
;D
A ferrous material will absorb hf and alter the frequency of radiation by a spin precession through the atomic lattice of the metal. Basically knocking the atoms out of spin resonance without having to accelerate anything. Good frequency converter if the magnetic crystal is arranged properly.
I know everyone has heard of "electromagnetic induction", but has anyone ever heard of "nonmagnetic induction"? (excluding electrostatic induction)
I found this old 1999 post by Graham Gunderson of MPI (now Chava):
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/usa-tesla/message/3412
Interesting.
What actually occurs during "induction"? Is it really the magnetic field that is causing the induced current, or is it something else and the magnetic field just appears to be the cause?
I wonder if the middle of a bar magnet - the Bloch wall - will induce current to flow in a wire...
Remember the Wheatstone experiment with the three sparks? Can induction occur before the two flowing energies travel past each other (or whatever they do)?
(I know these are not basic questions.)
grumpy are you sedjusting that we smack a neo with a coil in the center of the neo and manipulate the flux of the neo via hivoltage cap discharge ...
hummmm
lot of engery in a cap when released all at once ... all fast like ... if the neo isnt flying across the room ... then i bet the flux is .....
ist!!
but what if i powered 2 coils stacked aircore ... will i get a gryo effect cuz the high speed switching and the air core... if i do then i could tap the electro magic feilds ..
i could even use IRON WIRE TO COLLECT IT.....
;D might help to contain it too...
Quote from: innovation_station on August 19, 2009, 02:08:17 PM
grumpy are you sedjusting that we smack a neo with a coil in the center of the neo and manipulate the flux of the neo via hivoltage cap discharge ...
No. I am suggesting to use the initial energy that manifest in a circuit (which allows a magnetic field to manifest in the first place) rather than a magnetic field.
What I'm talking about is using the induction-like response of a conductor to this intitial energy which causes the electrons to flow. Make "something" that puts out this initial energy and allows you to utilize it. If you think that this initial energy is not "inductive", then how do transients fom lightning induce such massive currents in long wires? How do solar flares overload capacitors?
Quote from: Grumpy on August 19, 2009, 01:32:43 PM
I know everyone has heard of "electromagnetic induction", but has anyone ever heard of "nonmagnetic induction"? (excluding electrostatic induction)
Then it would be 'momentum induction'. I'm sure there are other explanations but it is basically momentum being transferred from one body to another. Even if the primary is fed with A.C. the output is mostly D.C.
Even if the magnetic field of the primary crosses the secondary there is little to no effect, by the magnetic field from the primary, on the secondary. The reason is the primary and secondary are either perpendicular to one another or there is a magnetic barrier between them.
There was an old Westinghouse transformer patent showing separate toroidal primary with multiple secondaries. The secondaries were poloidal to the primary and had their own cores. All toroids were designed to enclose its own magnetic field within its core.
It was claimed to be much more efficient than common transformers with no transfer of electromagnetic noise from primary to secondary.
Quote from: BEP on August 19, 2009, 04:14:25 PM
Then it would be 'momentum induction'. I'm sure there are other explanations but it is basically momentum being transferred from one body to another. Even if the primary is fed with A.C. the output is mostly D.C.
Even if the magnetic field of the primary crosses the secondary there is little to no effect, by the magnetic field from the primary, on the secondary. The reason is the primary and secondary are either perpendicular to one another or there is a magnetic barrier between them.
There was an old Westinghouse transformer patent showing separate toroidal primary with multiple secondaries. The secondaries were poloidal to the primary and had their own cores. All toroids were designed to enclose its own magnetic field within its core.
It was claimed to be much more efficient than common transformers with no transfer of electromagnetic noise from primary to secondary.
Once again, BEP, you come through loud and clear.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 19, 2009, 05:16:09 PM
Once again, BEP, you come through loud and clear.
Can I put a gold star on my calendar? ;D
Seriously...
I use this. Make yourself a simple coil. Instead of a ferrous core use a conductive core. Bang the coil with A.C., D.C., pulses, whatever. Read the voltage from one end of the conductive core to the other and note the polarity. It will be very small.
Now connect that core in series with the coil so the measured core polarity works 'with' the applied polarity of the coil for pulsed D.C.
When current is going through the coil it 'induces' the same direction current into the core which 'induces' the same current direction in the coil, etc., etc., etc.
No. This example won't give you free energy and it works better if the coil is canceling bifilar :)
If you wrap a few turns of wire on a short piece of wire don't expect much :P
Thanks BEP
Here are some interesting curiosities:
Velocity of longitudinal wave (Tesla) 471,240 km/sec
Velocity of light 300,000 km/sec
Electric field in a conductor 100,000 km/sec
Electron in CRT @ 1600 V POT 6,000 km/sec
Electron on super conductive surface 15 - 40 m/sec
Electron in negative-doped silicon 15 m/sec
Electron hole in positive-doped silicon 5 m/sec
Electron drift in copper .0001 m/sec
I would think that electrons in vacuum tubes move faster than in semiconductors...hmmm
Zero-point energy is mislabeled it is zero wavelength energy. If something happens in a field that happens to the field faster than the speed of light there is no preceptable radiation (gravitational acceleration excluded) from the field. It never happened to anything outside the field because emradiation is limited in it's ability to effect change in other parts of space. But what if the field change is accomplished faster than the speed of light? Is there then a different kinda flow of time which isnt limited by the speed of light to manifest?
http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/eserv/UQ:9792/saha-edwards-aup.pdf
Abstract:
Currents are established on the surface of conductors by the propagation of electromagnetic waves in the insulating material between them. If the load is less than the characteristic impedance of the insulating material of the line, multiple reflections and retransmissions eventually build up the line current to that required by the load. The currents are initially established on the surface of the conductors before diffusing relatively slowly into the interior and gives rise to the skin effect. The diffusion velocity depends the conductivity, permeability, thickness of the conductor, and the frequency of the excitation, and such effects of the diffusion process are difficult to conceptually appreciate. Fortunately, the diffusion of heat into solids is very similar, and will be used as ananalogy to aid understanding. This diffusion is the means whereby current moves into conductors and flux into of magnetic cores.Excerpt:QuoteFor a very large copper conductor the penetration velocity at a frequency 50Hz is approximately 8 m/s. This relatively low velocity is not very apparent in every day applications because the currents needed to energise electrical loads initially propagate along the cable(transmission line) to the load as displacement currents in the insulation, at velocities approaching c. The displacement current builds up the line current on the surface of the conducting cables by multiple reflections, and this current diffuses into the interior of the conductor [1], Thus current changes (electron accelerations) actually move into the conductors from the outside surfaces and only have to diffuse through the thickness of the conductors (half the diameter) rather than along the whole length of the cable from the power source to the load. If it were not for the displacement current setting up the surface currents in the first instance, energy transmission, (other than via relatively steady dc currents) via copper conductors would be virtually impossible because of the long diffusion times and attenuations.
;D
@BEP,
This is my latest 4" build right from the low inductance copper only specs. I am following through with a number of completions of OU projects. I am on this one this next. My acccident will not deter me.
Quote from: BEP on August 19, 2009, 05:37:30 PM
Can I put a gold star on my calendar? ;D
Seriously...
I use this. Make yourself a simple coil. Instead of a ferrous core use a conductive core. Bang the coil with A.C., D.C., pulses, whatever. Read the voltage from one end of the conductive core to the other and note the polarity. It will be very small.
Now connect that core in series with the coil so the measured core polarity works 'with' the applied polarity of the coil for pulsed D.C.
When current is going through the coil it 'induces' the same direction current into the core which 'induces' the same current direction in the coil, etc., etc., etc.
No. This example won't give you free energy and it works better if the coil is canceling bifilar :)
If you wrap a few turns of wire on a short piece of wire don't expect much :P
There are a lot of TPU threads here. I was just wondering if anyone has managed to light up a 100 watt bulb yet?
:)
Hello all,
its not a problem to light a 100W bulb to a full brightness. Come on. After so many years not to light a bulb would be a little bit idiotic, to say so. Im talking about myself, not the people here, they are fine.
A time ago I made a TPU that could light a bulb to full brightness with less input then output but I was not satisfied because I couldnt say "thats it"!!!
Something was not perfect! It was only my feeling but I had to forget how I did it because it was not done in the right way.
Now, after SMs posts I know the right way and I hope not to fail so much as in the past but you know how it is: when you think you have it, a little problem becomes a big one and .......
Otto
Quote from: Grumpy on August 20, 2009, 12:08:46 PM
http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/eserv/UQ:9792/saha-edwards-aup.pdf
Abstract:
Currents are established on the surface of conductors by the propagation of electromagnetic waves in the insulating material between them. If the load is less than the characteristic impedance of the insulating material of the line, multiple reflections and retransmissions eventually build up the line current to that required by the load. The currents are initially established on the surface of the conductors before diffusing relatively slowly into the interior and gives rise to the skin effect. The diffusion velocity depends the conductivity, permeability, thickness of the conductor, and the frequency of the excitation, and such effects of the diffusion process are difficult to conceptually appreciate. Fortunately, the diffusion of heat into solids is very similar, and will be used as ananalogy to aid understanding. This diffusion is the means whereby current moves into conductors and flux into of magnetic cores.
Excerpt:
;D
http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&url=http%3A%2F%2Fespace.library.uq.edu.au%2Feserv%2FUQ%3A9820%2Faupec-03-6.pdf&ei=IEmOSvHIKJSh_Ab-oMDpDQ&rct=j&q=Establishment+of+Current+in.+Electrical+Cables+via+Electromagnetic+Energies+%26+the.+Poyting+Vector&usg=AFQjCNEVAD7cejz09qiJJfsoKEcYl_4Etw
Very good papers. Never seen such before on the civilian side.
The only things I see that concern me are:
1. Where is the phase relationship difference of magnetic field propagation between the two major electric currents?
2. They still don't see the difference between the magnetic field generated by current propagation and the magnetic field opposing the first magnetic field.
3. I see no mention of the helical rotation of charge and current propagation cause by the magnetic fields created during movement. It looks like they are still thinking in 2D.
Who knows? Maybe the world is still flat? :D
Quote from: BEP on August 21, 2009, 06:48:35 AM
Very good papers. Never seen such before on the civilian side.
The only things I see that concern me are:
1. Where is the phase relationship difference of magnetic field propagation between the two major electric currents?
2. They still don't see the difference between the magnetic field generated by current propagation and the magnetic field opposing the first magnetic field.
3. I see no mention of the helical rotation of charge and current propagation cause by the magnetic fields created during movement. It looks like they are still thinking in 2D.
Who knows? Maybe the world is still flat? :D
I doubt you will find these answers in writing on the civilian side.
I found some old articles (FitzGerald) on the magnetic field of a displacement current being "open" rather than "closed", but nothing about this in the last 100 years.
Took long enough to find that the displacement causes conduction current to flow.
Getting to the point: is it possible to cause current flow with the proper application of displacement current along/across the wire? I suspect that it is.
If you create a rotating region of displacement current, it will cause the electrons/positrons to move. Of course you need to keep the region "alive", so you'd have to keep stimulating it with HV to keep repolarizing it. I'd guess that the tuning is very tight and you could sweep right past it and never know it was there.
Back to a basics level just a level or two above Maxwell's vortex view of the aether. 8) The magnetic field disruption is increased by the number of ampere turns in a coil. The impedance of the coil also increases with the number of turns so as we increase turns it becomes increasingly difficult to increase current flow through the coil. We must either raise the voltage or decrease the frequency to increase the ampere turns effect. In a single turn loop this also stands true. To effect a greater magnetic field disruption we need to increase current through the one turn loop. If we drop the frequency to say 7hz the loop impedance to this signal at 120volts appears as a dead short to the supply. So lower the voltage. The ampere turns magnetic field disruption can now be accomplished from a very low voltage ac signal. The resistance of the coil conductor now becomes the limiting factor as to how many ampereturns we have. Tesla knew this simple fact and look at what he did on his primaries. Liquid nitrogen baths, copper tubing primaries, etc. SM used multistranded cable which allows for better resistance due to the high order of surface area as compared to solid conductors we typically find in electric motor magnet wire. A 1volt peak to peak ac signal at 7hz can now produce a very large ampereturn effect. Now to get some induced voltage out of this we wrap a secondary around the coil. The number of turns here is alot. The magnetic field disruption now allows for an induced emf of say 120volts at 7hz. Into this circuit we introduce some resistance to increase the impedance of the secondary. The lights come on from a ultra low frequency 1volt scource. In order to collect a 1volt ptop 7hz signal we need to have a very large dipole antennae or a loop antennae that is electrically enlarged. If the loop antennae becomes resonate with wave cancellling at the antennae surface then the wave energy being cancelled is converted into the voltage needed to drive the loop. The near field of the loop antennae driving the output of the circuits while the radiated waves from the loop acting as the field excitation.
@Grumpy
On your 'getting to the point' question, yes, it is. It just hasn't been very productive for me yet.
My current beast can be fed with sine or pulses of almost any shape, on the continuous overwrap, and it will output a very small DC (so far about 1.2V) with single polarity hash as much as 300V.
You apply a load and the hash goes away.
The tuning of the signal has more to do with pulse width than frequency. The overwrap is bifilar opposing, basically a Rogowski coil. The return wire, for the Rogowski coil, is what most call the collector.
The difficult part is making the pulse fit within the length of that coil.
The control coils are actually one wire to make four segments over the overwrap. The turn direction of these coils alternate.
The idea is to 'truely' simulate what goes on around a DC current wire. Not only is rotation required but also vertical direction. I liken it to a swallowing action. This is why three or more collectors should be used. With one you only have constriction and relaxation. Two, you have direction but it only alternates. Three, you can control vertical direction.
We must create all the activity found around a wire or we have nothing.
There must be charge moving the correct way. The mag field, likewise. Only then can we expect vertical current movement(see ampprobe video).
Once that happens the Rogoski coils become feed and source. After all, they are a constant voltage source.
We certainly don't want to create anything but this vertical current. If harmonics are there they must be part of the simulation in order to create the root event, only.
BEP
We are moving in the right direction by trying to simulate what occurs around a conductor as a means to induce current flow in the conductor.
Look at the Wilson Effect (Wilson-Wilson Effect with a rotating dielectric - not the solar effect) - replace the rotating dielectric with a rotating region of displacement current, be sure to include the static magnetic field since the rotating region will spin couple to the static magnetic field which will increase the energy of the region (I don't like the word field for this). This is the same as coupling to the earth mag field but adjustable and more stable. Output is same as the Wilson Experiment - plates top and bottom.
See, just like charging a capacitor (the output plates) there is a displacement current between the plates. Our region is constantly changing, so the plates are continuously charged so to speak.
Now, how do we create the displacement current region and rotate it?
There may be a few of us that are lost so I offer this explanation as to what a displacement current is. The magnetic field responds to two types of currents one is from moving charge carriers and the other from virtual particles flowing in a polidial electric field. The sum of these two gives us the magnetic field distortion about a conductor. If we put a compass between two charging capacitor plates it will show a current until the capacitor charging stops changing the q state of the plates. The magnetic field appears to be displaced inside the field between the capacitor plates. This magnetic field is generated not by charge carrier movement but by the change in the polarization of the dielectric field between the plates. The crossection of a conductor can be viewed as a capacitor plate. As the q of the crossection changes very quickly or the termination voltage rises this displacement current precedes any electron or positron movement.
Interesting question Loner. If solar coronal mass transfer coming from the sun slapping into magnetosphere causes a compression of the magnetosphere the ions in the ionosphere will now accelerate or spiral along moving field lines. This disruption causes a change in the electric field between Earth's surface and the ionsophere. Just one field change I can think of that would charge or discharge the Earth to atmosphere q state.
This fits some parameters:
QuoteSince a Rogowski coil has an air core rather than an iron core, it has a low inductance and can respond to fast-changing currents. Also, because it has no iron core to saturate, it is highly linear even when subjected to large currents, such as those used in electric power transmission, welding, or pulsed power applications. A correctly formed Rogowski coil, with equally spaced windings, is largely immune to electromagnetic interference.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 21, 2009, 04:24:19 PM
Now, how do we create the displacement current region and rotate it?
I suppose we could try the !Wilson-!Wilson effect ;) (In many older programming languages the Bang or exclamation point signified the 'NOT' operator or inversion of logic)
If it was possible we would wish a truely rotating magnetic field(around its own polar axis). If we had one we could just wrap a coil, in a poloidal way and center it on that spinning magnetic field. No back drag - the ultimate answer for a N-machine - all that good stuff.
If you spin a dielectric disk in a static magnetic field you have potential build on the disk.
So, negate the logic.
Apply a potential to a stationary dielectric disk to create a rotating magnetic field (a real one - not another pretend one like in motors)
Even if someone tries this they should understand this potential you are applying must be the same as a displacement current. In displacement current the magnetic and electric(properly said 'dielectric') are not out of phase from one another.
Vacuum is already a dielectric, even when polarized.
If polarization of the vacuum causes some sort of contraction or expansion then we can move the vacuum itself. Going out on a limb, the expansion or contraction has already been verified by the work or Francis Nipher and others.
It does not have to actually move, just appear to move, so the "change" must propagate.
I can not find the reference now, but displacement current "spin couples" to a magnetic field - vertical - north up - compare to rotation of electrons in a magnetic field.
Since the earth/sun/solar system magnetic field is variable and fairly weak, we need a static solenoidal field. This will increase the energy of the dis-cur through spin coupling.
We can collect with capacitive plates like Wilson, or we could use a toroid if we put a twist to the field. A radial magnetic field within the region of the displacement current and the static dc field, will add a moment to the rotating region, causing a twist.
Recall that Tesla produced explosive radiant events with fast changes in polarization. He mentions that the coils must be of low self capacitance and high self-inductance for magnification of potential. Makes more sense after reading those recent papers. Brooks coils have these features and have a sort of square cross section. A series of Brooks coils in a circle, with a dc field in the same space, should produce our monstrous shockwave of displacement current, and sequentially triggering these coils should produce our rotating region of displacement current. then we just need to time everything to couple together and cause the electrons to move in the conductor.
Polarization current (displacement) is proportional to the rate of change of the polarization. So, HV is "required" for maximum polarization and a fast switch, such as a avalanche diode or transistor or a saturable reactor would work great in this case.
Quote from: Grumpy on August 21, 2009, 10:37:31 PM
and sequentially triggering these coils should produce our rotating region of displacement current.
Sorry, I can't agree with this quoted part. Triggering magnetic fields in sequence will spin a motor rotor but not a static potential. The only thing that can change a static potential into a current (moving charge) is to spin the disk or the magnetic field containing the disk.
From there it is the fault of Lorentz.
So, the setup I described would look identical to these little toroids.
I have a set of those.
The white wires go out to the rings. On mine I have windings on them as the larger wire goes around once of the spool. The idea here is to bias the bigger loops and shock that field with the smaller coils.
Agreed?
Quote from: BEP on August 21, 2009, 11:14:43 PM
Sorry, I can't agree with this quoted part. Triggering magnetic fields in sequence will spin a motor rotor but not a static potential. The only thing that can change a static potential into a current (moving charge) is to spin the disk or the magnetic field containing the disk.
From there it is the fault of Lorentz.
So, the setup I described would look identical to these little toroids.
No. the static magnetic field is just that "static". Pulse the long coils in sequence as the displacement current is not steady. Lorentz does not apply here. Move the potential (polarization) not the magnetic field.
If you increase the spin of electrons, then you have increased their energy. Something has got to give to balance the system.
Just like what happens along a wire, except with a twist from the mag field to kick the energy up a little.
Tesla is smiling...
It will work.
We've talked the talk. Do we dare walk the walk?
@Grumpy
I'll try the concept on a previous build. No mods required except operating sequence and signal adjustment. My life is still in a suitecase now.
@GK
Did you get anything from that one or are you just teasing ?
If a repolarization of a field exceeds c then your input energy has been transformed into mass. Not alot of mass just a tiny amount. Mass = e/c2. Say it took 10nanoseconds of 1kw to do it but the mass reverts to energy in l nanosecond it will release 10kw of power. Now you collect this 10kw now at your disposal and impose it on the same field for 10 nanoseconds and this time you create a little bit more mass which again converts back into energy in 1 nanosecond. Releasing 100kw. No need to do this for many more cycles before your mass becomes part of the equation.
Quote from: sparks on August 22, 2009, 10:59:01 AM
If a repolarization of a field exceeds c then your input energy has been transformed into mass. Not alot of mass just a tiny amount. Mass = e/c2. Say it took 10nanoseconds of 1kw to do it but the mass reverts to energy in l nanosecond it will release 10kw of power. Now you collect this 10kw now at your disposal and impose it on the same field for 10 nanoseconds and this time you create a little bit more mass which again converts back into energy in 1 nanosecond. Releasing 100kw. No need to do this for many more cycles before your mass becomes part of the equation.
Understandable but ???
There has been a plethora of info put forth in the last days here. I am glad to see this thread staying on track. It has occured to me that the kick pulse achieved by the double pulse protocol falls into these labels. The shortness of the pulses sets a magnetic shock / surface charge through the dielectric space while disallowing the diffusion to take place, i.e. low amperage and no heat. The usage of the space charge in a bigger loop creates a larger aperture. We magnetically disconnect and reconnect. We all should know what this does by now. Pursue Kunel, Bearden MEG and Magnacoaster.
@ALL,
With that in mind we can notice the coil winds that many have done look just like or are similar to TPU coils or the magamp type coils on top of one of the open TPUs and the 2 center coils in the SM17. Agreed? Then what I say still holds true. Bias the bigger loop and shock it with a smaller control coil. Like what I have in the my pic.
It was either BEP or wattsup that stated what if the mapamp type coils are the TPU guts and the rest is all show? That being the case then my pic is the guts and the larger aperture. No problem cutting the outer loops, right? HaHaHa! Does SM ever cut the guts? I think not...
@BEP,
It was you that that stated minimal output from pulsing the low inductance all copper build. I additively say then just make the collector bigger in diam and shock only a small portion of it. This is what I am up to next with that pic I posted. No teasing. It has been brought to my attention that the pervayers of the TPU info cannot say certain terms, submit pictures, or discertate designs. Have we not seen this? Missing spellings, vague design terms and no pics. Then I have found my niche and will entertain this next build from inventory to bench. My current inventory screams to get pulsed.
Also,
My Solfegfgio Harmonic Intermodulation Transmitter is cased up and ready to ship to Mexico. 3 things: If the device gets confiscated, it is not allowed in the ball court, I don't return; then guess what that means? Same nightmare as Tesla and SM. I have no gag order and do not fear. Just as a side note: There are 7 Solfeggio notes and 7 Chakras that are also labeled as notes. This information is very ancient. Cayce stated that 'One day all medicine will be sound'. Just going down the road less traveled.
Quote from: BEP on August 22, 2009, 07:53:03 AM
@Grumpy
I'll try the concept on a previous build. No mods required except operating sequence and signal adjustment. My life is still in a suitecase now.
@GK
Did you get anything from that one or are you just teasing ?
gk there are 7 charaks ....
for HUMANS ... :o
all 7 are located inside the body ...
for the non humans ... there at the min 36 ;) 8) :o :o
so ...
RE/RA's is the 8th ... and it is desert glass.... ;D
im up to 20 stones and have it almost down!!!! ;)
so the first 7 are earthly stones most likely the first 12 stones ... the second set of stones is plannetary ... meaning the zoidac ... then the next set is universal ... or maybe STAR STONES ...
this all corolates to the charaks ... the human body and the universal soul ... when you get into ballance you will be able to love....
i have been digging into this more and more as my reserch progresses ...
also there will be harmonic entanglement with in the stones ...
the egyptian staffs head peices engery belts and sheilds .. are all apart of the system ...
the tesla sheild will allow teleportation to be a safe reality... the pureity of the stones will hold your soul engery intact..
like you said gk your a reiever ... ;)
ist!
and the tesla sheild to me seems to be a crystal amp ... to strengthen your ora ... and set up a protective barrior to your phyiscal body ..
nuff bout this stuff this is the tpu..... not merlins magic ... ;D or arthers sword 8)
altho it is ALL 1 IN THE SAME ...
if you want to know more this river runns soo deep it is why santa wears a hat .. why the cristmas tree is used ... :D amoung many many more things ... i care not to mention ..
my job here being i was on the superviser 814 days .. as i was told .... is to ballance both sides ...
this is why im 14 ... there are not many that are in this same spot .. and i never asked for it ... it fell in my lap why ...
?
anyone else know who i was in my last life ... ? i do ... this life and the REBIRTH ... HUMMMMM ;)
Bearden's sea of energy does exist and the Universities have verified his claims over and over again working with the Casimir effect. The vacuum is loaded with oscillations of field polarization but due to the scale of the field and the speed of repolarization the happening is not radiated but stays in the field. This accounts for the 90percent of the missing mass from the Universe that only radiates gravity and some blackbody radiation and occasionaly a brand new galaxy or Universe. Mass is pretty well described as a standing wave field. The only way to convert mass to energy is impose an oscillation into the standing wave field that a either causes a total collapse of the swf which would be bad or b mixes with the oscillations so that the oscillations within the swf couple outside the field. The space the oscillations now reside in is expanded. This expansion of the field of oscillation alters the time to space ratio needed to contain the swf and the energy contained within the swf is now radiated. This manifests as the original input frequency diverging into two side band frequencies with the same amplitude in each side band as the original input. The vacuum oscillations acting as a freely generated intermediate frequency in a superhetrodyne process. Keelys sympathetic vibrational motor. Tesla's coax coil capacitors. Below is how I think I can generate some emps efficiently. Not really sure at this point what to do with them.
Quote from: innovation_station on August 23, 2009, 09:55:47 AM
this all corolates to the charaks ... the human body and the universal soul ... when you get into ballance you will be able to love....
Hey IST!
Hanging at the Innovation Station got me all fired up to use my
I - MAGI - NATION ;D
I wrote you all a little story...with pictures.
That should help you get back to basics! ;)
Have a beautiful day in the diamond sea of aether!!! 8)
Its good to be
ABLE TO LOVEhttp://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13463
Conduction and Displacement Current in Capacitors
http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~aupec/aupec04/papers/PaperID84.pdf
Establishment of Magnetic Fields in Coils
http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~aupec/aupec04/papers/PaperID85.pdf
EDIT:
Excerpt from the second document:
QuoteWhen the inwardly propagating wavefront H2 reach
the magnetic material the H field falls to almost zero,
and the wavefront is reflected off the surface of the
core back towards the coil as shown in Fig 8(b). The
surface of the core is a magnetic short circuit and
behaves like an electrical open circuit. Thus the
direction of the H field is reversed by the reflection
while the E field is unchanged. As the reflected
wavefront moves back towards the coil it cancels out
most of the original H2 field, so that the resultant field
inside the coil is very small, as indicated in Fig 8(c).
Some may recall that the COMP pulse is "nulled" by ferromagnetic materials. this reflection probably has something to do with that. This initial reflection may not occur if the ferromagnetic meterial is already magnetized.
Could a dc current create a vortex field around the conductor. The spiraling dependent on low to high pressure gradients of the electric field. As the charge carriers move through the circuit they stretch out the vortex until it appears tubular. Loop the conductor and the tube becomes torroidal Pump up the loop current and the torroid becomes spherical. Neat website does a better job at explaining this then me.
http://www.singularvortex.com/UVS%20on%20geometrical%20structure%20of%20magnetosphere.htm
"A spinning E field is equivalent to an electric displacement current."
"It follows that an electric field E, moving sideways, is wholly equivalent to a magnetic field, B."
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0801/0801.4688.pdf
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"The subject paper, which will be reproduced later in this Report as Appendix II, explained how radial electric displacement, as opposed to the transverse displacement we know from Clerk Maxwell's theory, can induce `vacuum spin' or `aether rotation' which permits such energy densities to be stored in an electrically quasi-stable manner at low voltage gradients."
http://www.aspden.org/reports/Es8/Rep8.htm
These could be considered basic depending on your level of thought.
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat20080191580.pdf
http://www.cropcircleship.com/wiki/Main_Page
Compare "magnification" and "rarefaction".
Both make things larger.
Rarefaction is what occurs around a conductor when a positive pulse is applied. Energy may be increased around the conductor and we don't see it when we measure at the conductor.
It is "curious " that Tesla used the term "magnifier" and not "amplifier". Perhaps he starts with something small an makes it larger, without adding energy through amplification.
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EDIT:
If rarefaction (expansion) of a medium like air causes a cooling effect, doesn't this involve a release or conversion of potential energy (of the previously compressed gas in this case)?
What re-compresses the medium around the conductor? Is it compressed for free?
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0801/0801.4688.pdf
QuoteA magnetic dipole containing a quantum of magnetic flux spins about its dipolar
axis, creating an anisotropic inverse square E= -vxB, and is stabilized by a surrounding transverse
electric displacement current loop. The isotropy one observes in the E field of an electron arises by
time averaging of precession about an inclined axis. Ad hoc charge is not assumed, is not needed, and
does not exist in this model. One recognizes that “charge†is not a real substance although it remains a
useful mathematical construct.
--giantkiller.
I believe the physics world is turned inside out.
See for yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8IcciRHGvQ&feature=related
I posted this else where so I apologize.
the resistance of carbon appears to vary with changes in the density of the medium
might be possible to make some sort of probe that uses this effect
In a vacuum tube an anomaly occurs that seems to be at the heart of the matter in energy from the Aether. When the anode is pulsed there arises in the tube a very positively charged zone in the tube near the CATHODE end of the tube. This is weird because the point charge anywhere between the anode and cathode should be a result of it's position in the electric field between the two charged masses. It appears that positrons don't have any inertial problems to deal with. They get to the Cathode end of the tube and pileup as far away from the anode as they can get. When the electrons do get their ass in gear they move into this region with more current then would be expected from the application of the anode to cathode voltage. Some will say that this is just ion acceleration from a poorly evacuated tube. But wouldn't the ions be heaver then the little tiny weeny electrons and take more time getting to the glow zone? This phenomenon is the creation of voltage without moving any charged mass.
If you change the density of space in two adjacent areas, then the voltage between them will be different.
Vacuum relativity expressed as voltage? This would account for the propogation and transmission of em wave energy from spacetime coordinate a to spacetime coordinate b. The original event altering the vacuum state and the altered vacuum state generating the charge differential. The magnetic field then becomes a representation of the changing vacuum state. This fluctuation of vacuum state could progress at superluminal speeds or just stand still or antiradiate or condense into an ever decreasing field. Gravity?
If we alter the vacuum we need to make sure that this vacuum fluctuation becomes relavant to a collection system. In other words if we can create a standing wave and have the collection system move relative to the standing wave then we can convert the little spacetrip the Earth has us on into voltage. This is of course if we can determine how fast and in what direction we are moving relative to the aether.
TPU people are gonna have a big white beard and a starving stomach if they dont smarten up 100 times over . There is not much time left , all you Bruce_tpu's and the like ... This is crunch time now , no more posing , get lost if you wanna pose .
Life is real , being hands on on a real tpu for real life is real ....
Quote from: dankie on September 08, 2009, 09:11:01 AM
TPU people are gonna have a big white beard and a starving stomach if they dont smarten up 100 times over . There is not much time left , all you Bruce_tpu's and the like ... This is crunch time now , no more posing , get lost if you wanna pose .
Life is real , being hands on on a real tpu for real life is real ....
Dankie, are you going to build a TPU now? Only a couple of years left, better get to work now.
QuoteThe most serious space weather event in history happened in 1859. It is known as the Carrington event, after the British amateur astronomer Richard Carrington, who was the first to note its cause: "two patches of intensely bright and white light" emanating from a large group of sunspots. The Carrington event comprised eight days of severe space weather. There were eyewitness accounts of stunning auroras, even at equatorial latitudes. The world's telegraph networks experienced severe disruptions, and Victorian magnetometers were driven off the scale.
That will be after and IF I fail with this Stephen Meyers replication of the hydroxyl refill , I am waiting on a casing for my cell that a friend of mine is making . Expect me to take 1 year or two on fine tuning that thing .
However , I have a wonderful phase delay driver I made for the Boyce toroid .But I am not sure if three frequencies of exactly f, f/2 anf f/4 @ exactly 50% duty cycle will even work anyways , maybe SM can answer that ? Phase is entirely adujstable tho .
Yay or nay ?
It will be pretty improbable to "find resonance" for three random frequencies of random duty cycle . AND random phase delay.
Totally impossible to do with 3 seperate 555's , VERY advanced electronics will need to be designed for the single purpose of pulsing it .
Quote from: dankie on September 08, 2009, 10:59:10 AM
That will be after and IF I fail with this Stephen Meyers replication of the hydroxyl refill , I am waiting on a casing for my cell that a friend of mine is making . Expect me to take 1 year or two on fine tuning that thing .
That may be too late.
QuoteA time-varying magnetic field external to the Earth induces electric currents in the conducting ground. These currents create a secondary (internal) magnetic field. As a consequence of Faraday's law of induction, an electric field at the surface of the Earth is induced associated with time variations of the magnetic field. The surface electric field causes electrical currents, known as geomagnetically induced currents (GIC), to flow in any conducting structure, for example, a power or pipeline grid grounded in the Earth. This electric field, measured in V/km, acts as a voltage source across networks.
Examples of conducting networks are electrical power transmission grids, oil and gas pipelines, undersea communication cables, telephone and telegraph networks and railways. GIC are often described as being quasi direct current (DC), although the variation frequency of GIC is governed by the time variation of the electric field. For GIC to be a hazard to technology, the current has to be of a magnitude and occurrence frequency that makes the equipment susceptible to either immediate or cumulative damage. The size of the GIC in any network is governed by the electrical properties and the topology of the network. The largest magnetospheric-ionospheric current variations, resulting in the largest external magnetic field variations, occur during geomagnetic storms and it is then that the largest GIC occur. Significant variation periods are typically from seconds to about an hour, so the induction process involves the upper mantle and lithosphere. Since the largest magnetic field variations are observed at higher magnetic latitudes, GIC have been regularly measured in Canadian, Finnish and Scandinavian power grids and pipelines since the 1970s. GIC of tens to hundreds of Amperes have been recorded. GIC have also been recorded at mid-latitudes during major storms. There may even be a risk to low latitude areas, especially during a storm commencing suddenly because of the high, short-period rate of change of the field that occurs on the dayside of the Earth.
GIC have been known since the mid-1800s when it was noted that electrical telegraph systems could sometimes run without power during geomagnetic storms, described at the time as operating on the “celestial batteryâ€, while at other times they were completely inoperative [2].
Post some links to save time. Share the research not the headache...
Quote from: Loner on September 08, 2009, 06:16:10 PM
Grumpy, That statement about space density is more profound than most will realize. I'm surprised no-one called you out on it....
I agree, and feel that is how MANY common devices operate, including semiconductors. I only wish I could properly put the concept into words that all would truly understand. Oh Well.
Dankie, I'll watch for your TPU, this should be good..... By the way, a phase controlled OSC (3) is NOT complex, unless you want it analog. Such a circuit, in TTL, or Fast CMOS, takes about 1 hour to breadboard, and can be accurate to less than 1 nS. Ttry looking up the old "boolean Algebra" texts and you will see demo circuits already laid out for certain communications.
Quote from: Loner on September 08, 2009, 06:16:10 PM
Grumpy, That statement about space density is more profound than most will realize. I'm surprised no-one called you out on it....
I agree, and feel that is how MANY common devices operate, including semiconductors. I only wish I could properly put the concept into words that all would truly understand. Oh Well.
Loner, apparently you are the only one that noticed that statement.
If you created a region of rarefracted space and moved it along a conductor, you will induce a travelling wave in the conductor moving at the same velocity as the rarefracted region. There is no opposing travelling wave like in normal transmission lines when struck or induced by lightning where the inducing force is not moving along the line. Make a sequential pattern of these "regions" moving along a conductor and you induce "DC with hash".
So, if you can induce a travelling wave into a conductor with a device that is not inductively coupled to the conductor, then you got the start of something, or not.
(By the way, the 5khz hash is probably somehow related to the repetition rate.)
Also, there are two effects occuring depending on paramaters, one is the typical induction by slow excitation such as when you draw arcs off stuff in the vacinity of the inductive field, the second is the charging effect that you get when the excitation is a shockwave and this is what you want.
Quote from: Loner on September 08, 2009, 06:16:10 PM
Grumpy, That statement about space density is more profound than most will realize. I'm surprised no-one called you out on it....
I agree, and feel that is how MANY common devices operate, including semiconductors. I only wish I could properly put the concept into words that all would truly understand. Oh Well.
Dankie, I'll watch for your TPU, this should be good..... By the way, a phase controlled OSC (3) is NOT complex, unless you want it analog. Such a circuit, in TTL, or Fast CMOS, takes about 1 hour to breadboard, and can be accurate to less than 1 nS. Ttry looking up the old "boolean Algebra" texts and you will see demo circuits already laid out for certain communications.
Loner , yes I made mine analog , I cant understand that other crap .
Can you plz reference me to such a circuit , that has delay that you can control with a potentiometer .
@Loner,
This one of this clearest wording diatribes yet. Only exactly on point for simplicity! Never thought about using delay time of gates! Been all my life trying to exclude the progation delay time instead of using it as a tool! Yahweh cool dude! My hats off to you. Ya know sometimes the simple answer is the easy one, eh? Great work!
Right now I use JDO300's controller for the exact timing and pulse control which works phenominal. Will be able to weed this out in the near future using what you said.
Keely 3 freq heterodyner a.k.a. Solfeggio Harmonic Integration Transmitter build finished and ready for testing. It gets put on the shelf for now. Have added delays towards TPU work long enough. My thanks go to Room3327 for the simplicity.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 08, 2009, 12:17:27 PM
That may be too late.
Wonder if the solar wind effects our entire magnetic field density all the time. Of course the effect would be heightened when there is a solar storm. Checkout Alfven waves and realize that these low frequency traveling waves are traveling back and forth in our magnetosphere day in day out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfv%C3%A9n_wave
Conductors are negative plasmas.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-03/uos-sfs032009.php
http://www.rhombus-ind.com/dlcat/app1_pas.pdf
Keep in mind that delay lines can extend rise times.
Earl posted a few circuits a long time ago:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2582.0
Those circuits are much different from mine , I have my own method that I like better .
Its all gonna be there anyways , on my monopoly board .
I am gonna make a new video , I have perfected and finalized my dc powered AC pure sine driver .
I will show youtube the worlds first 100% dc powered pure sine oscillator that can go anywhere from 50 to 23000 hz .
I will show you , with my 300 mhz scope , a 10 x zoom of one single degree of the sine , any spot , so you can see how clean and noise free I managed to make it . I will show you this on 50 hz , 12 khz and 23000 hz . I will then measure the amplitude @ 50 hz and @ 23000 hz and show you it is 98% close .
I will be only using a large and coarse pot for my frequency for that whole range , or maybe a single cap switch . And I will then play with the amplitude .
I will then "try to" patent it and sell it on ebay .
OFC it can then be amplified by whatever means you choose to . I am in luck that the Stephen Meyers patent requires DC offset so I will choose a classic push-pull .
@Loner,
You are a valuable asset!
You stay here!
Post a digital amp design with all the gizmos and functions, let's do a group hug over it and see what creativity explodes! Works on the Soccer field!
You may not have the answers to your questions but you have the knowledge for others 'Unknowing'. :o
You know you have crossed the precipace when Luck becomes Synchronicity.
The addiction that this quest offers is it gives us the power of the magnifying glass and not just another view from the anthill!
The Quest is the prominance of discovery instead of sedate questioning.
--giantkiller. I quest onward.
As much as I would like to patent it , I dont think it would be successful since I am already copying a method from a patent that I know of , there may be others that I also dont know of . I am copying the basic wave generation BUT that method , on its own , is far from perfect .So I am adding some very clever post filtering to save components and some state of the art semiconductors that were not available 20 years ago . How this all fits legally is to be seen . Obviously , my current ckt cannot be found on google images , you may see the starting crap but that is far from useable and finished for the appkications I have in mind .
I will probably give up on that if it costs more than 500$ , I will simply sell the product as a "patent pending" ...
If I was a big company I would patent it .
Getting back on track:
When a travelling wave is induced in a transmission line by lightning, the current and voltage are in-phase and travelling at or near the speed of light. Thus, this current is moving much faster than electrons can drift. It is a real current, real power, and does real damage to equipment. Lightning may strike a transmission line directly, or the travelling wave can be induced indirectly.
Since the travelling waves are individual entities, we can have several along a single conductor.
How can we utilize this phenomenon to create a continuous current in a conductor?
test
Quote from: Grumpy on September 10, 2009, 06:00:17 PM
Getting back on track:
When a travelling wave is induced in a transmission line by lightning, the current and voltage are in-phase and travelling at or near the speed of light. Thus, this current is moving much faster than electrons can drift. It is a real current, real power, and does real damage to equipment. Lightning may strike a transmission line directly, or the travelling wave can be induced indirectly.
Since the travelling waves are individual entities, we can have several along a single conductor.
How can we utilize this phenomenon to create a continuous current in a conductor?
this can help assuming that the yellow line are wires?
http://www.aitrui.com/1A-Images-Foundation/Atom-Energy-Images/UFO-CR-Travel-Wave-Illus-723.gif
http://www.aitrui.com/1A-Images-Foundation/a3-ScienceBASICS-Images/Wave&RollingBall355X112.gif
more like this:
http://www.ngsir.netfirms.com/englishhtm/Lwave.htm
How I picture a traveling wave.
... back to this the pipe is the wire, particle "electrons!!" ???
http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html
Well i've studied most stuff and this pressure is the key to extracting zpe.
I'm afraid people taught in electronics only see 1/2 of the picture.
I've got all the time in the world but i can't afford expensive electronics equipment.
Since zpe interacts with everything, you may as well call it a water hammer where it gives more out than in..if you have studied the keely motor and then i look at the tesla switch i can see the principle.
If the universe wasn't perpetual how long would it last?
Well it wouldn't exist anyways.
Did you know god creates stuff out of nothing, it is this cavity effect...zpe energy is the cavity effect...the big bang is the cavity effect.
Did you know there is am imbalanced force called zpe sustaining objects that seem to be equal?
I'm afraid people taught in schools in the 70's see it more clearer than people taught in school in the 90's and the people taught in schools in the 30's saw it more clearly as to how to do it then the people from the 70's.
I suppose it is the dumbing down agenda and lack of food for thought.
Aether back then means energy from the vaccum or zero point energy...so yea 1900's tesla did it and then it is being rediscovered.
It is wonderful.
;D
The extraction of zpe requires very fast switching, even keely did that with water as zpe interacts with everything or even the tesla switch.
Yea it is why it seems 50/50 because out of that box of yours, there is an unbalanced force sustaining all life.
Infinity eh? it will continue to always speed up and be instantaneous.
Then it comes down to the materials used.
They're called sub atomic particles in science but they are not open minded enough to tap it.
LtfDniel , I disagreee with your statement .
The person with ''hands-on'' skills who did a bit of zpe studying sees exactly the same picture as the guy who doesnt know about ''hands-on'' and has read about zpe.
ZPE information is all a bunch of hogwash anyways , you `think` it might be like this when its not , and if it was how can you bring those effects into something useable , `''studying zpe'' is easier said than done . You might stand there wasting your time when you could of been in fact learning ''hands-on'' with some books and google , and making your own instruments , repairing your own oscilloscopes that you bought for 1/4 the price. How somebody can stand there giving excuses with ''google'' @ his fingertips is beyond me .
Everything is available for free for the curious mind , for god`s chosen people .
If your reasoning can understand this,
The universe is without beginning and is without end...you cannot create nor destory.
If you think about that carefully...the universe has already existed forever and will continue to do so.
If it was not perpetual the universe would never had existed.. i mean it recycles it's self endlessly but the cavity effect is a wonder that only god knows.
There is at least one person i know of, who is exploreing about the process of createing mass out of nothing.
I mean you tell me, can you think like this?
If you had a set of magnets in a circle and got stuck at the sticky point and then you use a electromagnet and quickly turn it on and then off and it does another revolution and repeat and use it to run a generator..most of the work in that revolution will be done with the magnets and not the electromagnet.
I find the universe running out illogical and not straight thinking...like the sun.
I mean its like saying well the universe is 95% efficient and i'm like well the universe would have gone kaput in well 0 seconds.
Then it's like Well something must of magically created a barrel of energy so to speak and then go down hill..and i am like pfft.
In the energy world it all gets traced back to the cause that created the universe which it's self is a cavity effect and it speeds up to infinity all the time that it is instantaneous and is the backbone of the universe.
Yep beyond human illusion what seems to be a balanced force it has an unbalanced force sustaining it and interacting with it..
The tesla switch deals with this perfect 50/50 scenario and this is where bedini get's his overunity..so if it gets overunity...and then all of this energy being extracted and we know we cannot create nor destory...then that means the universe is overunity..because it is going with the flow of the universe..and it is a recycling process.
Sure energy from the vaccum seems to be mass free but then with an overunity system there is energy from the vaccum extraction.
It is why bedini can run with empty batteries :D.
If the circuit gets cold what does that mean :D?
It is extracting zpe and is not wasteing energy, it goes with the flow and it get's repaid more energy.
It takes a sharp mind to notice this cavity effect in everything,
You can create scalar waves when such forces cancel out and this interacts with the vaccum.
So if you convert this to that it all goes back to the cause instantanously and if it was 95% efficient we wouldn't be here so it is a cavity it's self.
Now doesn't that sound harmonic..
If it is not harmonic with the big bang mm no wonder a cavity is like that...then it does not go with the flow.
So if it goes to infinity why does it not slow down like you would seem to expect it to be?
So as with energy like a pack of dominos then the vaccum it's self gives more out than in.
People back in the 1900's were enlightened by god..
If you cancel the flux and then let it reconnect then the return is much greater. Cavity closure! Nature abhors a vacuum! In a resonant chamber a void is always filled by an abundance. Back and forth, back and forth.
Abhorrence = ferocity. A magnet will always find a magnet.
The kick is actually an external return.
--giantkiller.
If the vacuum is like a kid jumping on a trampoline and at the point of maximum stress on the surface of the trampoline we introduce a knife point force. The trampoline punctures and rips and the kid goes inertial.
Where and when and how much is needed to rip the fabric of the Universe? Or is that necessary, perhaps we can slide a board in between the kid and the trampoline and get some ZPE. The point charge will decrease (sorry quantom physics the Universe is not black and white) but we should beable to get some energy flowing in a desired current.
Trampoline is a good example! It is more like 'Sending'. It only takes a toe press of the sender at the right time to send the jumper flying.
Here is a question for back to basics. I now know the FTPU has at least 6 small capacitors and one resistor.
Delay in the case of the TPUs would offer a successive pulsing in two or more coils, rings, control coils, or what ever.
So let's say I had a positive pulse line to which I connect four small capacitors (all with slightly different values) all in parallel but the other end of each capacitor goes to an individual coil or whatever. Then the other end of the coils or whatever goes to one primary side of a transformer to have a good place to land the pulses and measure off the secondary. The other end of the primary goes to negative.
So the question is if I pulse this, will each coil get 1/4th of the pulse energy at a different time, even though the capacitors are pulsed all at the same time? This woul dbe good since being in parallel will never overload the capacitor and this will also provide a place to increase in gain as pulse energy increases, it will always be divided by four.
Can anyone give me a straight answer?
Sorry wattsup but along those lines. If you've been following Grumpy's line of thought we need to get some kinda dielectric stress going in the tpu. The Hendershot torroidal core is placed between two plastic plates. Then the plates are pulsed with what I would imagine are high voltage dc spikes/kicks. (The Hendershot device does not work if filtering capacitors are used in the dc input.) This does two things it stresses the vacuum and creates a displacement magnetic field. I believe the timing device is mod: used to shorten the duty cycle of the input waveform and to phase the kick. Say the ambient magnetic field flux is influenced by an external modulator of some sort. Iron's atoms respond more to the magnetic dipole moments alignment with a magnetic field change than it's electric dipole moments do to an electrical field change. Therefore the resistance to current of an iron conductor is more influenced by an external magnetic field shift than an imposed voltage. If there are any vacuum fluctuations or changes in the dielectric k value within the field of the big round capacitor plates it will appear in the displacement magnetic field where we find the collectors/induction coils. This process would magnify any vacuum produced electrical flux changes. On top of the displacement magnetic field generated by the input kick charging the plates would be the vacuum generated flux variants.
I guess the next logical step would be to produce a kick on like two records or some static stuff like wire spool plastic and measure the magnetic flux produced by the kick with a sampling variable inductor capacitor network. The vacuum flux would appear as hash on top of the input displacement . SM could have been inputting 5kz and making the thing ring for maximum efficiency but his gain is the hash riding the 5kz. If the kick breaks down into alot of different freqs it is a matter of which freq to become resonant with. We don't want to go too high or the kick just goes radiant and is wasted. A number of pickup tanks could be used ringing at different freqs all with the vacuum flux gain riding them. The power in the circuit would be increased by the amplitude of the currents in the periphial tanks circuits.
Quote from: wattsup on September 14, 2009, 01:59:33 PM
Here is a question for back to basics. I now know the FTPU has at least 6 small capacitors and one resistor.
Delay in the case of the TPUs would offer a successive pulsing in two or more coils, rings, control coils, or what ever.
So let's say I had a positive pulse line to which I connect four small capacitors (all with slightly different values) all in parallel but the other end of each capacitor goes to an individual coil or whatever. Then the other end of the coils or whatever goes to one primary side of a transformer to have a good place to land the pulses and measure off the secondary. The other end of the primary goes to negative.
So the question is if I pulse this, will each coil get 1/4th of the pulse energy at a different time, even though the capacitors are pulsed all at the same time? This woul dbe good since being in parallel will never overload the capacitor and this will also provide a place to increase in gain as pulse energy increases, it will always be divided by four.
Can anyone give me a straight answer?
For true sequential activation of coils, I recommend some sort of triggering arrangement that will allow adjustment between each coil in the sequence and not allow the first to turn on again before it's turn.
Just knowing that something uses six capacitors doesn't tell you very much without a very good theory of operation or a schematic. You can have six caps in a delay line or a Marx generator or a voltage multiplier or a filter or a thousand other circuits.
Well OK I know you can use caps for many uses but the question was pretty specific to this case and well outlined. I was not asking what the caps can be used for.
Anyways, tonight, hopefully I will post a nice picture of the FTPU with some great
discoveries that will give a better idea on the winding and control. I now know the front end to the right of the toroid is the top ring/coil control and the bottom ring/coil control is situated behind the toroid where there is the same capacitor as the EM capacitor. The back end also has the feed power coming in via a resistor. lol
You can also see the bottom ring wire going up from the center of the spool, coming out between the two magnet placement terminals flush with the toroid then it hugs the toroid to the right going to the back end. lol
The basic premise is mutual induction to achieve mutual gain. The toroid has two coils and there are two half wound control coils on each outer ring. Half top goes with half bottom control coil going to positive of the toroid half and the top ring goes to negative of the same toroid half. Same thing for the other toroid half but in reverse. All you have to do is pulse the top two control coils and all the energy will circulate through the complete circuit (top and bottom control coil halves, toroid half, top ring) + (other top and bottom control coil halves, other toroid coil and bottom ring) and back making two loops with the core of the toroid being used as an accumulator point. The more the toroid core accumulates, the more it has to send around again increasing with gain. The latent state of the pulsing will create mini-field collapses that will return from both ends of the rings and add to the energy being circulated to the point that an output can be taken from circulating polarities. Kind of like having an automatic apple peeler scrapping off the skin as the apple turns. The pulsing not only gives the pulse but more importantly, system directionality or proper biasing.
All you need is one pulse frequency per TPU, but in the case of the LTPU, the design is two TPUs in one so you do need two pulse frequencies.
I have not found a diode yet. But, the FTPU will give up most of its build secrets soon enough.
Just read Bruce_TPU's last post as he is also on a similiar track. But you cannot post on his thread because it is locked. Smart guy.
I have not had time to read all the post yet so i just wanted to ask...
Bruce_TPU is getting his info from who?
Bruce_TPU's info is credible?
Bruce_TPU has built one that works?
Thanks
Quote from: Chef on September 15, 2009, 04:06:15 PM
GOD?
Sure! Like this: "There is absolutely NO denying the fact that those two carrier frequencies of 115 KHz and 222 KHz were found and engineered in that sense to do EXACTLY what they do." what? ???
Not yet.
Good - that would ruin all the fun lol..
Im still waiting for the secret photo of S.M. at E.V.Grays estate sale to surface...lol...
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@wattsup,
I follow your work. I am using the items you have displayed. I took the ECD switched the controls from the large bottom ring and switched them to the smaller top ring (Can you say magamp toroid?). I use a Homebrew version of JDO300 USB connected controller to drive 2 of his SSR fet boards with the 2 pulse kick accepting protocol. ;)
And guess what?
@all,
Remember 2 things. My spastic results from the GK4(iron core, mobius wound) and JDO300's lightbulb flash ECD video. With the controller connected via USB I have a firewall against the 'Bang on' effect, NO?! So when I reach that poynt, guess what happens? ???
This latest setup is the smaller ring is 2" diam and the larger ring is 15" diam. in series with one inside the other and 2 control coils. Just like the toroid thingy. I turn this thing on and tune the 2 freqs and adjust the delay. I have 180vdc across the collector. I have a 1 layer device. But have the other layers at my beck and call. But that addition is in a few. I believe the capture happens from another layer.
The spikes are 400vdc. There are ringing bursts across the full graticle of all 4 scope channels, 2 scopes. This is the kick taking off. They look like quick random shotgun blasts. It runs for a while then the meters go to '1' (haywire), the scope screens are full of freqs higher than the driving one, the amperage goes to 10millamps( :o). It is not about current flow...
The 'Bang on' gets more and more until the final hit. Then the USB acts like a safety switch and shuts down leaving the SSRs full on with no pulsing. The amperage exceeds that of the controller power supply and the lm317 thermally shuts down the controller.
I do this over and over again. This is with a microwave oven cap and a 1uf mylar cap in parallel to the 180vdc supply across the coil. Resonance. ;)
Now I go back and address the capture to avoid the RF/RE emissions.
I now have a device that is a hybrid design of the ECD and SM17.
Does everybody see this? This is what Bruce is talking about. Very feasible with or without control. But, I could be wrong (legal caveat). :D
A side step is to work the waveform capture and fourier transforms with the 2 scope's / 4 channel data. The displays go by too fast to acurately show the static results.
Pix#1: Controller and SSR fet boards
Pix#2: HV power supply
Pix#3: Coil with toroid thingy inside
--giantkiller. I continue on. I got to get this done.
Do you have any pictures?
@Gk
what are your thoughts on Bruce's releases? Do you know if he actually has voltage gains?
That is his domain. I only pull the nuggets from the mine to make my jewelry.
But for now the process does exist randomly in this form I have. Capture or control is the next path to take. If I do the capture then the control wouldn't be so neccessary. This would keep it simple. But to try control first means energy still flying away and this would just keep shutting things down. And that can hurt. The largest dog in the house wants to hide under the couch when the the burst happens. WaHaaHaa! I have to be careful, again.
--giantkiller.
Well i'll be following bruces work because resonance is key to ou..same area as Keelys work.
I totally agree.
Quote from: Chef on September 15, 2009, 04:06:15 PM
GOD?
Sure! Like this: "There is absolutely NO denying the fact that those two carrier frequencies of 115 KHz and 222 KHz were found and engineered in that sense to do EXACTLY what they do." what? ???
Not yet.
;D
The effects are anything but random.
Tesla used electrostatic induction laws that he surmised from his work, but I have only been able to figure out a couple of them.
I agree that randomness is not part of the function. I only wanted to show that the bigger events can be seen without particular control. The ECD example would be nice if the event could be sustained into a constant effect and captured.
If this solitary event that was reported is not part of the process we strive for then my tests are only valid to point the builds are another type of effort. If this is the case then I would like to see behind the veil. With high 'Q' and resonance would electrostatic need be added to the mix also? This answer would enable further progress or a better depth of understanding of the goal. So far what everyone has seen are builds and claims of just high 'Q' and resonance or a static B(magnetic) field and pulsing. I also would like to see the specs for an electrostatic process to incorporate. Everyone has a different thought on the input parameters, whether right or wrong. How would an electrostatic process be shown and incorporated? Like T.T.Brown did with 2 plates and H.V? Could this be done with the 2 layers of collector coils. I am adding the second layer next. But just plain inductive coupling could prove wrong. Would 2 biased coils layered be considered electrostatic? This would give 2 magnetic fields in parallel while quenching one with control coils. The restoration of the bias field on one would be seen on the other. Is this even close? The GK4 is a sloppy example but this process was in there in a random way, not statically. If we look at Otto's winding examples the wire usually folds back on itself and then wrapped around. Once again we see a pulse on a bias field.
Making small steps to see possible and negligible parameters. TSL made inroads into this area before he left. I have his post printed out am assessing that info towards additions into the latest build here. He also put the collectors in series with the control coils at one point. The GK4 had these windings very close on a small diameter while my latest has this model spread out in larger diameter. My thinking is the reconnecting flux would provide a large event to capture from the larger aperture. Only the SM17 (large ring) was able to drive truly powered loads. The smaller TPUs actually just interacted with the filament inductance. And they did get hot. Now if the bulbs were lit, cold and under water by one wire then we would have a different design.
Is this assessment aligned with what is perceived by anybody here? I could have easily fallen out of my chair and don't even know if I am laying on the floor correctly. LOL.
--giantkiller.
Pfft nothing is random, everything happens for a reason down to the smallest detail.
Quote from: giantkiller on September 16, 2009, 12:20:17 AM
I agree that randomness is not part of the function. I only wanted to show that the bigger events can be seen without particular control. The ECD example would be nice if the event could be sustained into a constant effect and captured.
If this solitary event that was reported is not part of the process we strive for then my tests are only valid to point the builds are another type of effort. If this is the case then I would like to see behind the veil. With high 'Q' and resonance would electrostatic need be added to the mix also? This answer would enable further progress or a better depth of understanding of the goal. So far what everyone has seen are builds and claims of just high 'Q' and resonance or a static B(magnetic) field and pulsing. I also would like to see the specs for an electrostatic process to incorporate. Everyone has a different thought on the input parameters, whether right or wrong. How would an electrostatic process be shown and incorporated? Like T.T.Brown did with 2 plates and H.V? Could this be done with the 2 layers of collector coils. I am adding the second layer next. But just plain inductive coupling could prove wrong. Would 2 biased coils layered be considered electrostatic? This would give 2 magnetic fields in parallel while quenching one with control coils. The restoration of the bias field on one would be seen on the other. Is this even close? The GK4 is a sloppy example but this process was in there in a random way, not statically. If we look at Otto's winding examples the wire usually folds back on itself and then wrapped around. Once again we see a pulse on a bias field.
Making small steps to see possible and negligible parameters. TSL made inroads into this area before he left. I have his post printed out am assessing that info towards additions into the latest build here. He also put the collectors in series with the control coils at one point. The GK4 had these windings very close on a small diameter while my latest has this model spread out in larger diameter. My thinking is the reconnecting flux would provide a large event to capture from the larger aperture. Only the SM17 (large ring) was able to drive truly powered loads. The smaller TPUs actually just interacted with the filament inductance. And they did get hot. Now if the bulbs were lit, cold and under water by one wire then we would have a different design.
Is this assessment aligned with what is perceived by anybody here? I could have easily fallen out of my chair and don't even know if I am laying on the floor correctly. LOL.
--giantkiller.
"Resonance", in the classical sense, has nothing to do with it.
"Electrostatic" should be replaced with Dollard's term "longitudinal magneto dielectric".
You are looking to hard and at too many different things.
How do electrons begin to flow in a conductor in the first place?
Quote from: Grumpy on September 16, 2009, 09:00:57 AM
no shock wave = no honey
Swap h20 for e- ;D
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@ darkspeed,
I can see this action when the flux is canceled or reconnected. That produces a shockwave.
--giantkiller.
@all
OK, I need some help to grab this image. When I use VirtualDubMod Frame 3695 on the FTPU video, I use the null transform with the following coordinates;
x1 offset = 301
x2 offset = 233
y1 offset = 103
y2 offset = 236
When I use Snagit to grab this image, it is very squarry as shown below. So if any of you are using the same VirtualDubMod and have a better way to grab an image, please do so and put it up here so I can then add the identifications to the components.
Anyways, to not wait for a better image and since i will be busy for the next few days, I am putting this up today and will work on the Legend but most of it will be pretty easy to follow if someone can put it in schematic form to fill in the other blanks.
OK, just know that B2 is a wire from under the top disk coming from that round component that you see when he tilts the ftpu. I think that one is either another capacitor or most likely a very high induction coil (very thin wire - many turns). With the transistor placement one could say SM is just doing a dual ring ozone patent short whee the toroid is the working transformer with outputs taken from one positive and one negative side of the toroid. Top loop is positive, bottom loop is negative.
I think the drive battery is in the center of the spool. One side of the battery is going to the rings (I'd say negative). The positive is going through the R resistor then to either the mica caps end or the cap,tran,cap ends. I'd don't know enough about EE to know which of the three Transistor (B) connections B1, B2 and B3 is the base, collector and emitter. But I do have a vague idea. lol
Enjoy.
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29990/Dr__Steven_Greer_The_Promise_of_New_Energy/
Quote from: wattsup on September 17, 2009, 01:04:03 AM
@all
OK, I need some help to grab this image. When I use VirtualDubMod Frame 3695 on the FTPU video, I use the null transform with the following coordinates;
x
I think "G" is the partition like on a common mode choke.. here are a few examples:
@darkspeed
"I think "G" is the partition like on a common mode choke.. here are a few examples:"
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Yes it may seem so from the angle of the picture I have chosen but this was to show more the right side of the toroid.
See the next image below that shows the full toroid and the general locations.
Once you see the video and your eye is more and more trained to recognize that not one pixel is there for nothing, everything has a reason.
I find that just tagging the image with their letters is enough to show the build and will do more of this on some others. Then I will make a master legend but it will take some time.
wattsup
Maybe one other thing about resonance that I have learned through blowing so many mosfets while doing the Tesla Ozone Challenge by @Erfinder, is that when you reach a pulsing frequency that is too perfect to the resonance of the pulsed devices, the mosfet just blows, like a quick fizzzz and its gone. No advanced warning.
So maybe all this talk about danger and TPU destructing is not so off the mark but not in the real danger sense. In the sense that if you get right on the frequency, your pulsing component will blow but SM could not tell us this is so many direct terms, so he had to invent a danger hoping that some will understand. When pulsing a tube, this will not happen as easily, but these damn transistors or mosfets are right in front of the flyback return and if it is too intense, boom. Not the tpu, the transistor. I imagine SM purchased 100s of transistors during his trials before he could find the right settings. This does not mean the pulsed device does not emit some weird or harmful waves because my stomach can attest to this and so can others. But making the device blow up is kind impossible in my view since any number of the components would blow way before this could happen.
What I will say next goes above my EE capability, but I know enough to realize that it is required. You can build a TPU any way you want. You then have to measure the inductance and resistance of each coil, ring, toroid, etc. You then have to calculate the capacitor values you will need to pulse a transistor or mosfet in the range you want, even trying the two frequencies discussed by @Bruce_TPU.
I was looking for a full fledged diode (or bridge rectifier), but now realize each transistor has one built in. lol
I think MOSFET is too slow ,it cannot open and high current accumulate on it destroying by generated heat.
Looks like all those electronics are created for child games not for real power. SM probably stumbled upon that. I bet he found that only transistors sold for military purposes would work sometimes.
If you are smoking your transistors or MOSFETs try to figure out why this is occuring. Internal heating from excessive current or switching speed can quickly burn out these components and this is more likely than some mysterious "movement in the force".
A little ringing back and forth through a transistor or MOSFET and a small amount of current become a big problem.
Smoke one of these instead.
G-811 Triode
1250v standard or 5000v military up to 110mhz
http://kb2ljj.serveftp.com/Tubes/Russian%20tubes/G-811.PDF
Please forgive me but I can't imagine any reason why SM would put a switching or rectification device in-line with the load. It isn't needed.
With the vorticity created the output is DC anyway.
I understand 'controls' as controls not output. On any common device which has an output the controls are not part of the output. At least, when the controls include active devices.
As far as chokes go.... not one of the pictures of chokes looks like the control toroid in the SM videos.
They are round - wire wrapped round them - insulating divider in the middle.... that is about as close as they come.
I will correct my earlier statement about active devices.
Yes, active devices are commonly on outputs. In every case I can think of it could be done with fewer components without them. Case in point: Switching power supplies...
Now there is engineering bloat if ever I saw it.
They control/convert an external source. I just don't see it that way for a TPU.
I see the controls as initial excitation(possibly) but mainly to enforce limits and create the repeating stoppage so there is a difference of potential to be used.
Can I convince you of something?
Think about it, if the FTPU had any switching in it and presumably a battery, it is worth nothing as he does not light a light bulb with it, all he does is show us the voltage. That's not very interesting if there is a battery, but if there is nothing to power it, then it truly becomes something interesting, and that's why he is showing us the video. Think strong magnetic fields and tuned loops of wire and capacitors and maybe a magnitostrictive wire (bailing wire) for added Q.
However, the reason he does show us the video is because he is able to TUNE INTO THE EARTH MAGNETIC FIELD and produce a voltage. This means passive components only.
Now, his later devices could very well be a combination of two things:
1) tuned coils to the magnetic field,
2) a DC to DC converter
If that is the case, then we can talk about switching transistors etc.. The Dr. Swinsinger report indicated the output voltage was well regulated, and this means a well designed regulated power supply integrated with the tuned loop antenna. OR, we are really dealing with a ROTATION phenomena that somehow produces DC, However, in one of the videos, SM says his output is high frequency, and doesn't mention DC at all. So it is possible he experimented with a number of circuit topologies. He used the raw high frequency voltage, or he filtered it and rectified it and then regulated it to a steady DC voltage (which might still have a small ripple frequency on top of the DC)
@wattsup, the reason the mosfets and transistors blow when you reach resonance is because the impedance drops due to the reactive impedances canceling out, which means current increases drastically and this overheats the transistors. (assuming a low load resistance) There's special design techniques for resonance and current limiting etc.. Good point about SM making up stories....
EM
P.S. Maybe these images help somebody, they sure helped me.
@BEP and @EM
Yes I thought about that also that who needs a rectifier since it is already making dc, lol, yep, but at least a few diodes to push the motion forward looped.
But now I am thinking, a battery can work three ways - as a power supply - as a diode - and as a capacitor. It will move power through one way, plus the positive side can both supply power and accept flyback.
The general repeating idea in this free energy quest is - use a battery to drive a frequency pulsing component as one stream, then supply another power source through the pulsing component into a hopefully etheric coiling and hope for the best. We do this because the initial supply pulsing voltage is usually lower then the anticipated output voltage so we have a tendency to split the streams into two distinct operations, one feed side and one output side, or, like a little gear turning a big gear.
Usually a battery like a car battery will give lots of amp hours. But what if the battery is chosen to tolerate being in or inline to a regenerative circuit that builds up to 110 volts dc 1 amp. But when you turn off the device, the battery only has 6 volts and 1/3 of an amp but it can tolerate being physically connected into a higher voltage and higher amperage environment (and again just maybe for about 20 minutes before it blows).
So this morning I did a small test. I took a battery holder that holds 2 AA batteries, a light bulb socket with a small 110 vac 11 watts bulb and my 30 volts dc power supply. I connected the bulb directly to my power supply and put the voltage and amperage dials to maximum. The power supply read 30.8 volts at 0.03 amps and the bulb was just lit enough to redden the filament. I then put the battery pack inline so the power supply positive went to the battery negative and the battery positive went to the bulb and the other side of the bulb went to the power supply negative. Turned the power supply on and it reads again 30.8 volts and 0.03 amps and the bulb is lit the same as before. So this shows me that the battery itself could be used inline to the output that also feeds the input. But the question would then be can a battery stay in a much higher amperage and voltage enrvironment then what it was designed to supply initially. If this is possible, then the design would definitely be much simply, more direct requiring less components and fully regenerative to the point that the battery is only required to start her up.
Otherwise the battery has to stay on one side, run the base pulse and receive a side current to keep the battery powered, which is the conventional way of thinking.
Seems to me that there has to be a new way of thinking of where the source power is located in the circuit for proper looping purposes. I am convinced all SM devices had batteries.
This, if based on the fact that nothing in the TPU is there for nothing.
1) FTPU spool center hole shows a battery like object when turned upside down.
2) OPTU left leg has a sheath cover over it for easy battery change.
3) STPU and 6TPU have enough room inside the ring core to hide a few batteries and at this stage of designs, probably placed in the regenerative circuit and does not require replacement. 2 or three battery in parallel would supply more amperage/voltage pass through.
4) LTPU, has lots of space in the center base hollow to hide batteries, have them in series then in parallel to again be in line with the output.
Question: Can a battery be used to regulate or clean an output.
Another point, when we talk of batteries, we look for a power switch, so, in the FTPU-3695 mapping you will notice E1 is a shrink tube that is directly near the magnet placement TMR terminal. This is the only place you can see a shrink tube. All other connections on the FTPU are nicely soldered but only there is a shrink tube. This shrink tube probably has a small reed switch (RS) that gets closed when he puts the magnet on the terminals. He also used the magnet on the OTPU and STPU, but then on the 6TPUa and LTPU he had a mechanical switch and no magnet. Yes he swung a magnet near the LTPU Toroids but that was most likely for showmanship as another distraction. I can't recall if the 6TPUb used in the inverter/TV video used a switch or a magnet or nothing at all.
SM found a way to cause electrons to drift in a conductor without physically rotating a magnet.
Tesla, Bedini and others charged batteries and capacitors using HV impulses which produced DC in conductors. They did not move a magnet across a conductor.
Joseph Henry magnetized iron nails two floors below his lab by discharging a capacitor into a coil to magnetize needles.
So, the shockwave charges batteries and capacitors and magnetizes ferromagnetic objects at a distance.
If your pulse circuit produces arcs from coil connections to insulated conductors only while in operation, then you only have dielectric induction and not the shockwave effect.
Google "solar flares" and read how they overload power distribution systems. The shockwave is a natural phenomenon.
Quote from: EMdevices on September 18, 2009, 01:23:49 AM
if the FTPU >>> but if there is nothing to power it, then it truly becomes something interesting, and that's why he is showing us the video.
Yes. The action must have been extraordinary or it wouldn't have been shown at all
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This means passive components only.
It think this is correct in the smallest TPU. I doubt the little disc inserted is a battery. I think it is a magnet. This would place the operation of that one similar to the coils of Stephan Marinov.
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Now, his later devices could very well be a combination of two things:
I think he found two ways to have the results. One almost completely passive. The other, for more stability and to avoid the upside/down problem and prevent runaway.
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OR, we are really dealing with a ROTATION phenomena that somehow produces DC,
True, smooth rotation is the only way to produce steady DC. In order to keep producing it he had to abruptly stop the rotation on a periodic basis. This is the cancellation. The only way to collect the energy from a spinning flywheel is to apply drag. The most energy collected is when you stop it. This 'stopping' happened about 5000 times a second.
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However, in one of the videos, SM says his output is high frequency, and doesn't mention DC at all.
Yes, but in other videos he calls it DC at about X number of Hertz and stammered while saying it. I think he caught himself giving out too much information.
Think about a simple speaker voice coil in the radial magnetic field of the speaker magnet.
What happens if you make it two coils? One around the other but both locked in position in that radial magnetic field. Lock them both in place with ridiculous amounts of electrical tape (like most shown TPUs), ceramic bonding paste (like the small toroid) or the unknown black material in the large ones.
When you apply a current to one of those coils it can't move but it must. A wire in a static mag field will move when a current is applied. It does not need to be ferrous.
If it can't move that energy must go somewhere so it goes to the second coil. That coil can't move either so the energy is converted to a potential in the second coil.
Since the transferred energy is moving radially outward within the static radial field of the magnet it will feel the Lorentz force. So, not only do you have induction between the coils but with the result of the induction and Lorentz you have unidirectional current flow.
There is a reason so much effort went into restricting movement, the magnets, etc.
Sorry @Wattsup. I still don't see a need or the possibility of a battery or switch in the OTPU. In one video he shows the OTPU running without the legs but it wouldn't set level. To me the legs are just a means to set it down level.
But then, I still see more possibility of two small UHF tubes, counter wound coils, etc., etc.
You can make a tube circuit that amplifies without applying outside energy to the plate/cathode circuit. You can do the same with very few true MOSFets. Real MOSFets... the ones where the 'MO' stands for 'metal oxide' and the metal oxide is actually used.
The pulsing isn't to create rotation it is to create something to rotate and stop it so the energy can be collected.
---Just my thoughts.
@BEP
Like your top portion of your post. Good points.
But in your last part, are you sure you are talking about the OTPU that has the two magnets. Which video shows it without legs. Never saw it. Also, in the regular OTPU video he does push a push-button switch mounted on the left coil/magnet that you can clearly hear and see him pushing it in the video. I even forgot about that pushbutton switch. lol
Anyways, with the information now at hand, I will make a new build.
Quote from: wattsup on September 18, 2009, 12:23:31 PM
@BEP
Like your top portion of your post. Good points.
But in your last part, are you sure you are talking about the OTPU that has the two magnets. Which video shows it without legs. Never saw it.
Two 'visible' magnets. If it works the way I think there are a minimum of four and possibly eight. The video was up long enough for me to see it. Whoever put it up got mad from comments on this forum and took their ball, glove and bat back home with them.
It also showed the top two magnets, in the same locations but each magnet was rotated 90 degrees. So the hole was square while the magnets rectangular.
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Also, in the regular OTPU video he does push a push-button switch mounted on the left coil/magnet that you can clearly hear and see him pushing it in the video. I even forgot about that pushbutton switch. lol
Anyways, with the information now at hand, I will make a new build.
Since your first mention of those items and action I have looked several times. I've found where you probably see these things but they don't appear that way to me.
Quote from: BEP on September 18, 2009, 10:49:46 AM
The pulsing isn't to create rotation it is to create something to rotate and stop it so the energy can be collected.
---Just my thoughts.
ding ding ding ... we have a winner!
You stop it because the event occurs during the rise of the pulse, not after it stops rising.
You stop it so that you can restart it again.
If you do not cause the shock wave then none of it matters any way.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 18, 2009, 04:26:34 PM
ding ding ding ... we have a winner!
You stop it because the event occurs during the rise of the pulse, not after it stops rising.
You stop it so that you can restart it again.
If you do not cause the shock wave then none of it matters any way.
So the three frequencies combine to create a pulse of amplitude great enough to saturate the system and for a nanosecond everything stops , resulting in a shockwave, then restarts just as fast. new way to spark gap without the spark gap
is it transmitter and receiver system all-in-one sending-receiving longitudinal shock-waves ?
Quote from: forest on September 18, 2009, 04:50:12 PM
is it transmitter and receiver system all-in-one sending-receiving longitudinal shock-waves ?
Sandwich your magnifying transmitter between two magnifying receivers and one should go positive and one should go negative relative to which way is down, so flip it upside down and suddenly your diodes are facing the wrong direction oops!
I believe my current build randomly produces this shockwave. In 2 minutes of runtime an eclipse occurs from applying 2 frequencies of 2 very short pulses each with a delay between the 2 signals and Wham! The meters go haywire, controller shuts down, and the amperage is below 1ma. I am now trying to apply capture or containment before it crashes each test. Nothing is burnt up.
I have a USB based storage scope attached to a pc. It crashes sooner because of the cheaper USB cable. I find things out that disable progress as I build coils that produce effects. The effort is to get the effects into a usable form. Nothing new there. I am trying to get a static picture of the runtime event.
I would follow a path of passive device build if I had the analog time and the better analog equipment. But I can say this and that is the USB setup is a firewall for safety. No headaches or crying dogs yet.
So now I have 3 things to try when I get back from vacation.
An iron loop in parallel, iron wire/loops in series with the copper loops, and a capture circuit while still maintaining Mobius type configurations with diodes and caps hooked in.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on September 18, 2009, 05:45:58 PM
I believe my current build randomly produces this shockwave. In 2 minutes of runtime an eclipse occurs from applying 2 frequencies of 2 very short pulses each with a delay between the 2 signals and Wham! The meters go haywire, controller shuts down, and the amperage is below 1ma. I am now trying to apply capture or containment before it crashes each test. Nothing is burnt up.
I have a USB based storage scope attached to a pc. It crashes sooner because of the cheaper USB cable. I find things out that disable progress as I build coils that produce effects. The effort is to get the effects into a usable form. Nothing new there. I am trying to get a static picture of the runtime event.
I would follow a path of passive device build if I had the analog time and the better analog equipment. But I can say this and that is the USB setup is a firewall for safety. No headaches or crying dogs yet.
So now I have 3 things to try when I get back from vacation.
An iron loop in parallel, iron wire/loops in series with the copper loops, and a capture circuit while still maintaining Mobius type configurations with diodes and caps hooked in.
--giantkiller.
Have you looked at a wideband current monitor connected to your scope to capture your event
check this out, its what is used to capture the event on a tesla coil discharge.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 18, 2009, 04:26:34 PM
You stop it so that you can restart it again.
If you do not cause the shock wave then none of it matters any way.
From what I could tell it continues on its own, once found.
I don't think we start it. I think we just tune into it.
I'll be glad when I can have some bench time :)
Quote from: BEP on September 18, 2009, 09:16:06 PM
From what I could tell it continues on its own, once found.
I don't think we start it. I think we just tune into it.
I'll be glad when I can have some bench time :)
Well that made me think. Are the bursts of kicks I see bursts because as the incoming energy wants to dynamically drive the coil that I am trying to statically drive the coil? Sounds like I am seeing bursts because I clamp the operation. Hence the gaps in the signal are my operation or my setup cannot vary to meet the external changes needed to stream continuously. In short varying impedance needs to happen like self regulating or self tuning. So I could now view this from the opposite side saying that I inhibit the incoming stream.
I will get a price on the Pearson current monitors and order one. They even show bias notes. 8)
--giantkiller. I'll be back next Thursday to continue.
@BEP,
is this the OTPU without legs? I never considered the fact that the 2 magnets are aligned differently, good observation, so obvious too.
EM
Quote from: darkspeed on September 18, 2009, 04:32:25 PM
So the three frequencies combine to create a pulse of amplitude great enough to saturate the system and for a nanosecond everything stops , resulting in a shockwave, then restarts just as fast. new way to spark gap without the spark gap
yes
Quote from: BEP on September 18, 2009, 09:16:06 PM
From what I could tell it continues on its own, once found.
I don't think we start it. I think we just tune into it.
I'll be glad when I can have some bench time :)
You start it unless it occurs on it's own through natural means.
Quote from: giantkiller on September 18, 2009, 11:45:20 PM
Well that made me think. Are the bursts of kicks I see bursts because as the incoming energy wants to dynamically drive the coil that I am trying to statically drive the coil? Sounds like I am seeing bursts because I clamp the operation. Hence the gaps in the signal are my operation or my setup cannot vary to meet the external changes needed to stream continuously. In short varying impedance needs to happen like self regulating or self tuning. So I could now view this from the opposite side saying that I inhibit the incoming stream.
I will get a price on the Pearson current monitors and order one. They even show bias notes. 8)
--giantkiller. I'll be back next Thursday to continue.
Th only reason that anything is incoming is because you suddenly changed the parameters, but some parameters require time.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 19, 2009, 12:56:04 AM
Th only reason that anything is incoming is because you suddenly changed the parameters, but some parameters require time.
Furthers the vote for radiant event.
On another thought.
I think people may be going in the wrong direction with wire choice by using solid wires.
A radiant event will travel the surface of a wire while the electrons get bogged down in the resistance of the wire.
You need as much surface area as possible with an appreciable resistance. Lamp cord or Litz would work
When he says " You have to be able to find the potential " consider the possibility that the potential can be found on one conductor by contacting it at two different locations. When is a short not a short?
When I wind coil using stranded wire is that one coil or rather multiple of coils ?
This post is getting beyond basics but a virtual rotating magnetic field is easy to build. Input into 3 or 4 tanks which are resonant at different freqs. I notice that the "control" windings use different diameter wire and turns. I come from an electric motor background and this is similar to what happens in a single phase motor. The two windings currents are out of phase because of the differing rlc parameters. The auxillary winding uses added capacitance to "match" the line frequency input. This current leads the main winding current and the magnetic field poles appear to shift from the auxillary winding conductors to the main winding conductors. Three or 4 tanks with the inductors a solenoid winding wrapped around a common transformer core would be interesting. A magnetic input into the core of the 3pole motor would excite the tanks which would start bouncing out of phase. I believe this is a storage scheme as the magnetic input would be stored in the resonant circuits creating a virtual rotating magnetic field. SM's transformer core appears to be a "collector" winding. A flow of current in this winding inputs magnetically into the tanks and the field appears to spin as the magnetic field density change shifts from one control winding (inductance in rc tank circuit) solenoid to the next. One input kick into the collector winding would be transformed into 3 or 4 ringing solenoidal magnetic field pinches circumnavigating the transformer. Any collector current draw would increase the core flux change which would end up inputting more to the tanks as the control windings act as current transformers. Lots of eddy currents and heating under load.
The output of a spinning magnetic field would be the mechanical equivalent of a high speed spinning metal ring spinning inside the control windings. Instead of a solenoid plunger trying to center on a static magnetic field a number of plungers would be propelled around the circumference of the tpu trying to center on a moving magnetic field pinch.
Quote from: EMdevices on September 19, 2009, 12:34:04 AM
@BEP,
is this the OTPU without legs? I never considered the fact that the 2 magnets are aligned differently, good observation, so obvious too.
EM
Nope. The legs are clear on those shots but the angle it sets is questionable.
The differing magnet orientation shows on these pics. This just confirms to me that the polar axis is vertical so that orientation doesn't matter much.
Look at the coil wrap pitch. This is where I saw the bucking fields.
@Sparks,
Creating a virtual rotation is nothing more than winding and firing it like a stepper motor. This is actually more difficult and complex than the method I see used.
Look up how helical polarization is created with two dipole antennas. Think of how an HP generator works. Learn how tornadoes and water funnels are created. You won't find someone firing coils in a sequence to make those - regardless of frequencies.
Check out positive and negative sequence harmonics, overtones and undertones.
Off to see the Wizard again. I'm starting to feel like home is the next hotel.
Quote from: sparks on September 19, 2009, 09:08:26 AM
I notice that the "control" windings use different diameter wire and turns.
Each "Control" may be the length of its resonant frequency.
You can vary wire diameters to match Mass between coils of different lengths.
Scroll down to "Length of Wire AND Frequency of Coil"
http://www.classictesla.com/java/calculat.html
Forest - Yes each strand - even if it is not individually insulated improves radiant skin effect. The theory goes that if you can liberate the radiant event then when it is collected by an element like copper then it produces a great flow of current - based on tesla
@Bep
On the road myself. Been looking at on coming traffic for days. If only the damn road moved in a rotation everybody would be getting somewhere without using all this energy. Millions of horsepower invested in opposing inertial fields seems like a waste.
If you took a normal ac induction motor but instead of winding the coils with opposite polarities facing each other you wind them so that it forms a huge torroidal choke. Split them into as many coils as you want. Then over a section of this winding you wind an input. This input winding is pulse driven and the self-induction of each winding and it's resonance is matched so that for each input pulse there may be 100's of rotations of the magnetic field in the core. Not so much a rotation but a squeezing action of the magnetic field within the core. As the pulse frequency rises the speed of the magnetic perastalic action increases. If you tune the pulse to fire at the proper time soon you have what appears to be a standing magnetic wave field (flux capacitor). If you off tune the pulse a little the standing wave field converts into a rotating standing wave field. If the wave field is caused to collapse all at once you got yourself a time compressed event.
;D
I had a flux capacitor once. Never could hit 88mph to use it.
Hmmmm... Maybe I should have peddled the vehicle West instead of East?
Any way to just make your physical age go back in time? I need it :D
I had a couple of people pm me on this so i will answer it here..
When i said " when is a short not a short " I was referring to the Tesla Hairpin Circuit.
With conventional electricity you measure a potential between two separate conductors each having an electron potential relative to each other.
With radiant electricity it is possible to measure a potential on one wire at two locations.
This fact would relate to forming a wire ( or many wires in parallel ) into the shape of a slightly open circle ( or hoop ) and being able to measure a potential across both ends of the same wire.
Quote from: darkspeed on September 19, 2009, 03:34:01 AM
A radiant event will travel the surface of a wire while the electrons get bogged down in the resistance of the wire.
You need as much surface area as possible with an appreciable resistance. Lamp cord or Litz would work
Quote from: darkspeed on September 19, 2009, 11:29:42 PM
With radiant electricity it is possible to measure a potential on one wire at two locations.
This fact would relate to forming a wire ( or many wires in parallel ) into the shape of a slightly open circle ( or hoop ) and being able to measure a potential across both ends of the same wire.
Grumpy is inserting tab a into slot b 8)
For this to work requires some unconventional thinking on the use of capacitors..
They separate the conventional electricity from the unconventional electricity ;D
Goals:
More Pressure - Higher DC Bias to be interrupted by the saturation event
Faster Rise Time
Shorter Peak Time - Duty Cycle
Faster Fall Time
I Dont really care about the repetition rate of this cycle but it looks like the device in question was inducing this cycle 6000 times per second
Quote from: darkspeed on September 19, 2009, 11:29:42 PM
I had a couple of people pm me on this so i will answer it here..
When i said " when is a short not a short " I was referring to the Tesla Hairpin Circuit.
With conventional electricity you measure a potential between two separate conductors each having an electron potential relative to each other.
With radiant electricity it is possible to measure a potential on one wire at two locations.
This fact would relate to forming a wire ( or many wires in parallel ) into the shape of a slightly open circle ( or hoop ) and being able to measure a potential across both ends of the same wire.
This is true but one problem....
All Tesla hairpin circuits are just tank circuits. The spark gap spews very wide band Hertzian waves in the radio spectrum. The tank (hairpin) determines the firing frequency of the spark gap and resonates to that portion of the spark gap radiation (point source) with oscillation. At that point you can short any two nodes or any two anti-nodes together and still light a lamp from any node to any anti-node.
There is no wonder in the hairpin. They are called tuning stubs when on an antenna. The wonder is in the simple spark gap. The energy source of the first radio transmitters.
Tesla's hairpin circuit was a wonder only because it was the first VHF radio transmitter.
For me, the wonder is the amount of folks (obviously with little to no radio experience) that sit google-eyed at a hairpin demonstration. They should be amazed at what is being radiated by the spark gap, instead.
Quote from: BEP on September 20, 2009, 01:28:14 AM
This is true but one problem....
All Tesla hairpin circuits are just tank circuits. The spark gap spews very wide band Hertzian waves in the radio spectrum. The tank (hairpin) determines the firing frequency of the spark gap and resonates to that portion of the spark gap radiation (point source) with oscillation. At that point you can short any two nodes or any two anti-nodes together and still light a lamp from any node to any anti-node.
There is no wonder in the hairpin. They are called tuning stubs when on an antenna. The wonder is in the simple spark gap. The energy source of the first radio transmitters.
Tesla's hairpin circuit was a wonder only because it was the first VHF radio transmitter.
For me, the wonder is the amount of folks (obviously with little to no radio experience) that sit google-eyed at a hairpin demonstration. They should be amazed at what is being radiated by the spark gap, instead.
yes correct! the event is in the gap.. actually 90 deg to the gap
However there are two hair pins one is RF and one is Radiant.. Everything on youtube is RF.. most I have seen are RF but I once saw one that was radiant.. It was built out of one meter carbon rods. difference like night and day.
Not to throw too many logs on the fire but ....
When building a resonant tank circuit there are a set of rules and math that predict the outcome and specify inductors and capacitors.
but...
When you are working with a radiant event the math greatly changes due to time scale.
The equations will no longer predict an outcome and you are left manually adjusting capacitance and TRIMMING COILS to achieve the desired result.
Variable capacitors and multi-tap inductors will make finding the desired result allot easier than relying on conventional tank circuit math.
Quote from: darkspeed on September 20, 2009, 01:36:29 AM
When you are working with a radiant event the math greatly changes due to time scale.
@darkspeed
Is it possible to predict the outcome? Please explain more. with multiple variable capacitors and inductors achieving the outcome seem haphazard.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on September 20, 2009, 05:57:05 AM
@darkspeed
Is it possible to predict the outcome? Please explain more. with multiple variable capacitors and inductors achieving the outcome seem haphazard.
Well, I lack the skill to calculate a tank with radiant. The good news is there is a process to tuning a radiant tank. Tesla did it by setting two plates in a tank of boiled out linseed oil and moving them closer or further away to get closer to resonance. If they were far apart he would trim down the wire length on his coil inductor and then test by moving the plates closer again until resonance was achieved. The same thing can be done with todays variable capacitors and tapping the inductor coil at different locations for tuning. I once made a tunable inductor by wrapping unshielded bailing wire around an insulator tube where the loops of the coil did not touch and had a tap that could be slid up or down the tube like a linear rheostat. It was a great help in tuning.
The proper way would be to invent self-resonate system , one which always produce optimal amount of radiant even if parameters change (I mean parameters like temperature which has impact on resistance for example).
Quote from: forest on September 20, 2009, 12:00:04 PM
The proper way would be to invent self-resonate system , one which always produce optimal amount of radiant even if parameters change (I mean parameters like temperature which has impact on resistance for example).
That would be taking the gate of your mosfet or the grid of your triode and connecting it to an antenna but it is too noisy and too slow when compared to the rate of the event. Good idea though when the technology allows for it. Im sure someone out there knows how to do it.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 19, 2009, 12:56:04 AM
Th only reason that anything is incoming is because you suddenly changed the parameters, but some parameters require time.
G
I got confirmation from a friend on my ideas that two saturable inductors can be used in parallel with a few nanoseconds of delay ( few feet of wire ) to create a tail-biter circuit. First one snaps the dc power off and the second is ready with collapse to turn the dc back on..
The trick is to wire the delay in the trigger of number 2 and space the repetition rate of the event so there is enough time for this process to occur.
i.e.. number 2 fires first but number 1 is still conducting.... then 1 fires and no one is conducting... then a few nanoseconds later number 2 goes into collapse and conducts ... so the result is a sharp snap off snap on of your hv dc bias
may be why two are present on the more powerful unit
Here are the "Two transformers slightly out of phase"
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The ordinary way described by Tesla and followed by others is to charge HV capacitor and discharge abruptly into short coil. Do you agree with that ?
I'm not sure but apparently in my old experiments I managed to perform the same on smaller scale and DIFFERENT METHOD - using electronics.
The key is to charge big capacitor of lower voltage and discharge into coil of very high inductance and being in the same time a stepping-up coil (flyback) . I had got that event once and it was complete accident (never was able to reproduce)
I used 2200uF/25V cap charged from 12V car battery , discharged using MOSFET BUZ 90 with a lot of surge protectors around, slowly at a rate around 180-240 hz using quite simple driver based on logical gates (I'm not EE , it is only one of my hobbies).
I used very small spark gap, actually it was broken filament bulb. The return path was metal from tabletop to the metal cover of car ignition coil.
The effect was "something" which resemble static charge all around flowing on all conductors of circuit back to the battery and constituting spherical shield around bulb. When I tried to touch it with metal screwdriver with neon it kicked me off and I dropped it.
I was quite scared because I couldn't be able to shut down power from battery.All around was kicking.
And I used clear plastic speaker multi-stranded wires :-)
I think that large inductance of car coil caused unidirectional discharge - stopped all back rush.
I'd like to see any replication if possible.My knowledge is limited but I think that it was a good way to learn of radiant if we can remove some problem like radiant spread over primary.Another thought is to place spark gap very close to the coil ( I think the cause of radiant was the break in filament acting as spark gap and the rest of dangling filament acting as a high resistance coil)
Is somebody interested ?
Quote from: darkspeed on September 20, 2009, 12:44:56 PM
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I got confirmation from a friend on my ideas that two saturable inductors can be used in parallel with a few nanoseconds of delay ( few feet of wire ) to create a tail-biter circuit. First one snaps the dc power off and the second is ready with collapse to turn the dc back on..
The trick is to wire the delay in the trigger of number 2 and space the repetition rate of the event so there is enough time for this process to occur.
i.e.. number 2 fires first but number 1 is still conducting.... then 1 fires and no one is conducting... then a few nanoseconds later number 2 goes into collapse and conducts ... so the result is a sharp snap off snap on of your hv dc bias
may be why two are present on the more powerful unit
Here are the "Two transformers slightly out of phase"
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yup
or turn it off with a reflection
good conversation going on here now
Don't choke it - let it breath...
Best clue I ever got was "solar flare" - over three years ago - thanks bro!
I'll look if Steinmetz looked at transients in tank circuits - he would have been the one to put the math to it - or not, as the case may be.
Quote from: darkspeed on September 20, 2009, 12:44:56 PM
G
I got confirmation from a friend on my ideas that two saturable inductors can be used in parallel with a few nanoseconds of delay ( few feet of wire ) to create a tail-biter circuit. First one snaps the dc power off and the second is ready with collapse to turn the dc back on..
The trick is to wire the delay in the trigger of number 2 and space the repetition rate of the event so there is enough time for this process to occur.
i.e.. number 2 fires first but number 1 is still conducting.... then 1 fires and no one is conducting... then a few nanoseconds later number 2 goes into collapse and conducts ... so the result is a sharp snap off snap on of your hv dc bias
may be why two are present on the more powerful unit
Here are the "Two transformers slightly out of phase"
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See US patent 7122999
Quote from: Grumpy on September 21, 2009, 08:51:14 AM
See US patent 7122999
Fig 4 8) looks familiar..... Thanks!
That may be better than the two magamps
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT7122999
Someone asked me how to recognize a radiant event.. Here is a good rule of thumb... When you have to rip off your jeans in the middle of an experiment because the rivets and zipper are electrocuting you... you know you are close....
Quote from: darkspeed on September 21, 2009, 11:33:49 AM
Someone asked me how to recognize a radiant event.. Here is a good rule of thumb... When you have to rip off your jeans in the middle of an experiment because the rivets and zipper are electrocuting you... you know you are close....
So I guess that confirms then that the TPUs are not radiant related cause while the LTPU was operational, I didn't see even one of those investors jumping up and down in pain. lol
Is it possible to distribute charge without moving mass? Like take a charged capacitor and charge an auxillary capacitor using just "static" induction. Would this auxillary capacitor charging reduce the state of charge of the primary capacitor? Could this auxillary capacitor then be insulated from the transmitter capacitor and shorted through a working load? How much time do we have to transfer the polarization of space before charged mass starts to move and mess things up?
Quote from: wattsup on September 21, 2009, 06:39:33 PM
So I guess that confirms then that the TPUs are not radiant related cause while the LTPU was operational, I didn't see even one of those investors jumping up and down in pain. lol
Well the device I was testing at that point was "bare" it did not have its outermost coil to absorb all that energy and as a result I received some nice blue dots from the brass in my jeans ;D
Quote from: wattsup on September 21, 2009, 06:39:33 PM
So I guess that confirms then that the TPUs are not radiant related cause while the LTPU was operational, I didn't see even one of those investors jumping up and down in pain. lol
The effect is related to frequency, with pain being at about 15 kHz.
Has something to do with the way the nervous system works.
Look at the perpendicular bursts from exploding wires - are they directed inward or outward? - positive or negative pulse.
Shielding via redirection - sounds like anti-grav
Anyone have any info on permeability and permitivity of vacuum?
Quote from: Chef on September 22, 2009, 09:59:18 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_permeability
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permittivity
How about:
"virtual Brehmsstrahlung"
and
"Polarization radiation"
Did you mean Virtual Bremsstrahlung? Beware of the Proton ;)
or polarization bremsstrahlung radiation (PB)
>> http://www.kvi.nl/~fewbody/html/paper/p2649_1.pdf
Let me guess... braking radiates electrons? Stay at sub-xray levels if its on your build list..
3kv is a good range. I always stay below 5kv unless im shielded.. I do want to have children one day... normal children...
Quote from: darkspeed on September 22, 2009, 11:49:13 PM
Did you mean Virtual Bremsstrahlung? Beware of the Proton ;)
or polarization bremsstrahlung radiation (PB)
>> http://www.kvi.nl/~fewbody/html/paper/p2649_1.pdf
Let me guess... braking radiates electrons? Stay at sub-xray levels if its on your build list..
3kv is a good range. I always stay below 5kv unless im shielded.. I do want to have children one day... normal children...
I noticed some similarities between RE and Braking Radiation a while back. Solar flares and Breaking Radiation both exibit full spectrum radiation. Very little info available on the displacement current involved with these effets.
Now, braking electrons (slowing) emmit radiation, so what does braking displacement current emmit? (by using the term "displacement current", I am including all polarization currents)
Quote from: Grumpy on September 23, 2009, 08:10:29 AM
I noticed some similarities between RE and Braking Radiation a while back. Solar flares and Breaking Radiation both exibit full spectrum radiation. Very little info available on the displacement current involved with these effets.
Now, braking electrons (slowing) emmit radiation, so what does braking displacement current emmit? (by using the term "displacement current", I am including all polarization currents)
Exactly what I'm asking also. Additionally braking electrons generate X-Rays, but what about braking protons ?
A displacement current is equivalent to a moving charge even though it does not require a particulate carrier, so it MUST exibit a radiating effect when it is moving at great velocity and then encounters a path of high impedance. Or it could be the dragged electrons (which I do not agree with) that are exhibiting the effect (I doubt it).
Hence the need for low self-capacitance and high self-inductance in the load and the need for the shockwave effect before the load.
Hacking through the BS is not easy.
Anything that increases the polarization (and therefore the density) of the medium, increases the effect and there lies the problem. I can't prevent other things from effecting the process. At least not yet...
EDIT:
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:KyLyEznOnWgJ:oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/radnotes/artificial.html+braking+radiation+virtual+photons&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Your not going to like this answer because it is not proven, its just what iv been kicking around in my brain related to other research.
An electron at rest at quantum level looks like two wave forms inverse and superimposed - ball form
As an electron get closer to the speed of light this wave from will reduce in amplitude, increase in length - flattens out into a string
Take the end of a wire, at high dc bias, and slam another wavefront down it. The electrons at the end get ejected at a critical level near or at the speed of light ( some think faster ). These electron strings are of a shape and velocity as to not only pass through metals (until they are slowed down by eddys) but also to create a delta shaped disturbance in the metal much like breaking the sound barrier displacing MANY electrons in its wake. I give it a high chance of being correct
There is a faster than light version of this that involves superposition where we see an electron moving faster than light as a series of balls ( points on a wave ) and as each superposition passes through the metal a delta is created . one electron = many events. I gave it a much lower chance of being correct
All radiant ejections such as Bremsstrahlung, Compton Scattering, Pair Production, Synchrotron Radiation, Cherenkov radiation, and gamma rays are composed of "photons".
This leads me to believe that RE is also made of "photons".
Quote from: Grumpy on September 23, 2009, 03:22:13 PM
All radiant ejections such as Bremsstrahlung, Compton Scattering, Pair Production, Synchrotron Radiation, Cherenkov radiation, and gamma rays are composed of "photons".
This leads me to believe that RE is also made of "photons".
Go Grumpy! electron is two waves inverted and superimposed... two waves of what Blink Blink Blink
All matter is shades of velocity
The concept of bogging down electrons was from a time before we could see what was happening. The resistive path does more to order rather than strip or bog.
Think about it this way.. If I handed you a 2"x"10"x8' board and asked you to run across the room with it, you could cary this board in any fashion and easily cross the room because the air at your velocity does not really create much resistance.. you were just a model of an electron flowing through copper..
Ok now I am going to put you in a swimming pool and ask you to do the same thing.. you will instantly learn that to move across the pool at an ideal velocity the board must be in one position only.. parallel with the path. you were just a model of an electron flowing through a resistive substance..
Ok now imagine a room full of people all facing different directions and they are suddenly instructed to walk forward .. this is electrons flowing in a conductor
If they were all facing the same direction it would be a great source of work. - RE
Consider the electron has two poles and in conventional electricity these poles are randomly orientated to other electrons in the same flow of energy. These poles because there are not all facing the same direction in the flow have a dampening effect of a great deal of the energy potential of the electrons. think of non magnetized material.
Ok Increase this flow of electricity by wavefront and place in its path a resistive substance. For the electrons to flow they will need to line up along their narrow axis in polar order to pass through. You now have a flowing stream of un-dampened unidirectional potential. This new flow is RE
Inject this flow into a highly conductive element such as copper that has a free electron and boom.. delta..
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/185591main_f-516.jpg
http://glafreniere.com/sa_electron.htm
The classical geomagnetic storm begins with a sudden jump in the Earth's magnetic field followed within hours by a large depression of the magnetic field as the ring current builds up. Then after several days the ring current returns to quiet values. We now know that this period of storminess is initiated when a large bubble of magnetized plasma is ejected from the Sun in a process known as a coronal mass ejection (q.v.). This plasma bubble plows through the solar wind causing a shock wave in front of it. The bubble itself has large magnetic components parallel and anti-parallel to the Earth's field. When the leading shock wave hits the Earth, the magnetosphere is compressed and the surface field jumps. When the region of anti-parallel magnetic field encounters the Earth, strong reconnection begins and much energy flows into the magnetosphere from the solar wind, powering the geomagnetic storm and building up the ring current.
Quote from: Chef on September 24, 2009, 08:23:17 PM
Back to Basics
Grumpy, everyone:
Imagine you have a high voltage DC source , two pieces same length copper cable, and you connect each one to the terminals - and +. You push the others ends together slowly, forming a spark gap, until the you see the spark.
What is the spark?
From which terminal the spark will form first?
What's a difference between the two side of the wave?
What's happening when we switch of the source when the spark formed?
The two conductors magnetically couple
Positive ions and negative electrons are pulled apart in the gap forming positive streamers and negative leaders
The gap ionizes
Arc
Do it fast enough that there is no ringing and you get a boundary condition and a shock-wave.
With a magnetic field and/or a shield/transport gas added it is a little different.
If you are talking just pure copper to copper arc you may get ringing through the arc.
If you heat the negative side and draw a slight vacuum you get a pretty good diode.
Plasma is a weird animal. It is formed into superatoms where the electrons can be found well beyond the spdf energy shells/orbitals chemists are so familiar with. And atomic neuclei organized without the insulating layer of electrons found in gases. Some plasma's display negative specific heat. The higher the heat content the lower the temperature. I believe this is because as the electrons are unbound from the neuclides they are free to form a current which intensifies as the electrons are accelerated by the energy input. The faster this current about the ionized core the more insulationn it forms around the ionized atoms. This is similar to a tornadoe where the circulating currents about the eye of the storm insulate the eye from barometric pressure. The relative pressure between the insulated eye of the storm and the ambient field increases. The viscous nature of air continues to draw molecules from the eye region into the circulation about it. Sticky electron theory applies in a plasma. So a region of space that appears empty is just the eye region of a huge coherent plasma. Here and there in the cosmos the plasma cools down enough to form gases and other forms of matter. I beleive that a highly polarized efield can be used to cool the primordial background plasma enough to capture some 13 billion year old energy. A spark gap before any hot current flows issues a cooling field. Kinetic energy of accelerated mass or waves (particle wave duality) converts into potential energy in the gap. The gap becomes charged and when it shorts a higher than would be anticipated current flows. eg electron cascading in vacuum tubes. This radiant flow of energy from the ambient INTO the gap is not anymore complicated than touching an ice cube. The energy flows from your fingers into the ice cube faster than it would if you were touching a warm glass of water. I guarantee if you pull a field up to around 36kv it will start to get cold around it. The ambient thermal energy then flows at an accelerated rate into the field where thermal energy is converted to electrical potential. There is a goodly amount of reflection as the energy surges towards the gap that radiates in the form of transverse emwaves but the real deal is the stuff that gets caught in the gap and the circuit designed to convert it and distribute the gap gain.
Quote from: Chef on September 24, 2009, 08:23:17 PM
Back to Basics
Grumpy, everyone:
Imagine you have a high voltage DC source , two pieces same length copper cable, and you connect each one to the terminals - and +. You push the others ends together slowly, forming a spark gap, until the you see the spark.
What is the spark?
photon emission
Quote from: Chef on September 24, 2009, 08:23:17 PM
From which terminal the spark will form first?
both
if you have three gaps the outer gaps will spark first and then the middle gap
Quote from: Chef on September 24, 2009, 08:23:17 PM
What's a difference between the two side of the wave?
one side is in a state of compression
the other side is in a state of rarefaction (expansion)
Quote from: Chef on September 24, 2009, 08:23:17 PM
What's happening when we switch off the source when the spark formed?
The compression and rarefaction waves release the energy that caused them to compressed and expand.
These are my answers based on what i believe to be true, i could be wrong.
Quote from: Chef on September 24, 2009, 10:19:38 PM
Is that the first moment?
As far as I understand it ,yes.
Quote from: Chef on September 24, 2009, 10:19:38 PMOn which side we see the forming spark? What's happening in the meantime at the other side?
Assuming that Negative is always more powerful, and from my experience it is, I would say that the event would move negative to positive. I would assume that the other side was building a positive capacitance for a nanosecond.
Quote from: Chef on September 24, 2009, 10:19:38 PMLet's say we switch of the source before the spark could ionize the whole gap, but already formed out from a wire, what would we see in each end? Would be there two spark going in opposite direction, or one only?
The negative terminal would radiate breaking radiation and if the bias charge negative was maintained without oscillation a shock-wave exiting the event site at 90 deg. The Positive terminal would collect the incoming electrons and depending on the material and resistance would either conduct them or order them.
Quote from: Chef on September 24, 2009, 10:19:38 PMLet's say we insert an aluminum foil in the gap, copper wires at critical wide, spark would form,burn hole in the foil. How and why the hole was created?
Electrons would knock aluminum atoms out of state and move them to the opposing terminal or the plasma would modify the aluminum into aluminum oxide etc...
Look here : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4628-teslas-mysterious-phantom-streams-3.html#post66134
positive streamers vs negative sparks
flow : negative -> positive
in normal arc oscillations ,back rush, alternations occur
when you suppress them who knows what occur ?
photon emission is correct, even if diplomatic, else you could not see it
How the photons manifest in the spark gap as a visible spark is my question to you.
My answer that the spark manifests from each side is "subjective" as this depends on several things. Joseph Henry performed an experiement with three gaps and watched the arc with a rotating mirror - the middle gap always arced after the two outer gaps. When I was working with triggered sparc gaps, I found you can place the trigger between the gap electrodes in a position where the arc will visibly jump from both electrodes. This is not always the case as the arc can very visibly jump from on side or the other depending on parameters. Also, just because you do not see a visible arc, does not imply that nothing occured. Do not let our eyes fool us.
An arc to isolated conductor from a conductor in a continuously interupted induction coil circuit or similar does not make a visible mark on aluminum, but you can definitely see the arc.
I think that impact marks require "Electrons", supposedly they are dragged by the initial traveling displacement current wave, at the speed of light. This would make for a a traveling electric field, which will have a traveling magnetic field - all moving at the speed of light.
Yes, that initial wave with dragged electrons is very powerful for an instant and then you have to create another traveling wave. Which is exactly what you have to do, but you have to have all the parameters in the correct range for it to work. Braking radiation has certain requirements and so does everything else.
Like I said before, you have to create the shockwave event and then you have to figure out how to utilize it.
Chef, how does one utilize the shockwave?
The TPU is a waste of time .
I laugh @ all the TPU poser groupies .
ALL THESE BLA BLA RESEARCHERS MAKE ME SICK !! THEY CANT WORK , THEY BLA BLA UNTILL YOU DO THE WORK FOR THEM
Geet +hho >>>>> all the rest , see the proof @ ionizationx
Quote from: Chef on September 25, 2009, 10:12:34 AM
Photon isn't just a basic unit of light, it basic unit of the whole electromagnetic spectrum, and of course we couldn't observe the full spectrum, so we see only visible spark, when the emitting atom's radiate in visible spectrum. In this case, those atom's are from the airgap.
I know that a photon is the force carrier of electromagnetic fields. Why are they present, in the visible spectrum, in the spark gap? Is it actually a "full specrum"? If it is, then it is all the more interesting.
Quote from: Chef on September 25, 2009, 10:12:34 AM
One side of the spark has a pressure density, I don't think so they are electrons, but that's not important in our case. If one side have directed pressure, which can disintegrate the foil, what could have/do the other side? Especially, when the spark induced in a wire/coil by magnetic coupling, where there is no source connected to the secondary.
Compression on one side, rarefaction on the other, but depending on the circuit and the location of the gap, you may actually have high pressure on the first side, medium pressure on the other side of the gap, and low pressure at the other end of the circuit. If your gap is not in the middle of the coil, then what I just stated is probably what you will have. So applying 10kv at the gap, you may have 8kv on the other side.
Quote from: Chef on September 25, 2009, 10:12:34 AM
I don't clearly know which shock wave you are referring. On which plane correlate to the travel of the current?
The shock wave that moves perpendicular to the conductor after the switch is opened.
Whatever it is composed of, it appears to me to be some sort of traveling wave in space. I believe it is dipolar rather than monopolar like electrons. I do not believe it is particulate, but i may only appear to travel through metal plates. I can not verify that what hit the plate was the exact same as what comes out the other side. I say "dipolar" because it is not deflected by electric fields yet has a magnetic moment. I suspect it may follow magnetic lines, but I am not sure. I does appear to couple to magnetic fields. Can the current induced be increased this way?
A moving "charge", dipole or monopole or multipole, has an associated magnetic field even if the charge is virtual , and as we all the know, the shock wave is inductive.
To get "back to basics" we should clear up a few things first.
The event occurs during the rise of the pulse - not when the pulse is interupted - at the "make" of the switch, not the "break".
A positive pulse is "rarefactive" (it expands).
A negative pulse is "compressive".
How do pulses effect the permeability and permittivity of space?
If you have studied solar flares and magnetic storms, then you know that temperature, humidity, rain, and wind can cause large changes in the permeability of "space". Tesla measured these changes during thunder storms with his magnetometers.
Increased permittivity results in increased capacitance.
Increased permeablity results in increased increased magnetism.
See where this is going? Change the medium and it does the rest.
If I can change permeability, I can increase magnetism. Even if only for an instant.
When the radiant shock wave expands through a static magnetic field, what happens?
This will give you a better idea on how your spark happens. Same thing anyways.......
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-lightning-flash,0,4105155.flash
@dankie
Well, I just saw your post on that other thread. Big man. Just take your GEET+HHO tube and stick it up where the sun don't shine, then set the dial to full production, wait a few minutes, open your mouth and light a match. That's about all the use you have here. You are totally sick in the head man. Get your brain checked, but you might need a specialist in micro particles to do that.
Collector Detector.
This a little development device that may help. You can not be in all places with your probe at once, so you may be missing some energy at strange angles. This is built from 660/46 litz with a pair of ultra fast 1k diodes at each end of each loop. Do your tests in this tank and you will see it when it happens. 10 x 7 x 660 = 46200 loops of a good skin depth. Very reactive!
Wattsup and all the TPU groupies, you are clearly a bunch of amateurs with nothing but TPU propaganda in the head , you know more about intermodulation than you know about ohm's law .
Its time somebody starts bashing the hell out of you people .
The site is litterally filled with your filth .
what do you think about this ...
radiant shock wave = pure magnetic wave = magnetic flux propagating = wave in Earth magnetic field
Quote from: darkspeed on September 25, 2009, 04:10:02 PM
Collector Detector.
This a little development device that may help. You can not be in all places with your probe at once, so you may be missing some energy at strange angles. This is built from 660/46 litz with a pair of ultra fast 1k diodes at each end of each loop. Do your tests in this tank and you will see it when it happens. 10 x 5 x 660 = 33000 loops of a good skin depth. Very reactive!
Can you post what you saw with that chamber?
Quote from: Grumpy on September 25, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
Can you post what you saw with that chamber?
Here is that cross talk shot between the two IRF840's after i shut the sig gen off. There was a mosfet on both ends of the coil and the gates were connected with 24" of iron delay wire in the shape of a coil. Not sure where the power was coming from but it collapsed once it shocked me. This is a work in progress...
Its on a networked bitscope (http://www.bitscope.com/) and a 32" flat screen. The bitscope has a lot of good features like spectrum analyzer and the ability to record sessions. I save my more precise scopes for fine tuning.
Quote from: Chef on September 25, 2009, 06:26:49 AM
If we insert an aluminum foil to the gap, we would see after the sparking, there was an impact from the + side, which disintegrated some AL atom, created a hole like a meteor impact. The other side of the foil would show the negative of that, foil bending outward.
Thanks Chef, your holepositive.jpg looks a lot like a thermal exit wound.
i.e. electron strike causes rapid expansion and outgassing of the material behind it...
Its very interesting.. can you sight some research for me to dig through?
Do you have a photo of the negative side of the foil?
So the foil given enough time to absorb - conduct - pass the charge is unaffected?
Thats the beauty of experimentation.. You form a plan to go from A to C through B and end up tripping over X and X is always more interesting than C
The ones who have found the answer did not achieve the answer, they fell into it.
quote from Grumpy "Also, just because you do not see a visible arc, does not imply that nothing occured. Do not let our eyes fool us"
So very true!
I reference the double slit experiment. Observing the photon activity alters it's behaviour. The presence of a dark receptor like a receiver effects the photon because of the cold potential developed by the observer. All forces affecting reality do not manifest in radiant events. Space contracts and time for us ceases to exist in this field. There is no observable change radiated from contracting space therefore no time. As space contracts relativity to all other states of space insues. Massenergy becomes accelerated into the region of the contracted space and is observed as gravity. Where does all this massenergy go? Into infinitely greater ordering of reality from an infinitely chaotic fountain of reality. There exists dimensional boundaries where controls between physical planes of reality are in place. What physical laws governing time and antitime or contraction and expansion of our plane of reality still await our discovery.
Why won't anyone post a scope shot of the shock wave?
I am actually working toward the goal:
Think it is gonna be kinda hard to scope the event. Maybe an echo but not the event. Superluminal events are hard to scope. Dollard and Tesla did their recording creating standing wave fields along the skin of coax. They did the math and for such a wavefield to arise the reflected signal had to reach the end of the coax and be reflected faster than the speed of light.
Only way for something to happen faster than the speed of light (and I would venture most physicists would have to agree) is due to the manipulation of spacetime somewhere near the recorder.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 25, 2009, 08:51:58 PM
I am actually working toward the goal:
Grumpy, is that a bunch of avalanche transistor in series?
Are those the caps you were using to speed up the switching?
Interesting.... :o
manipulation of space-time - now were talkin'
I make a 180 degree turn in no one says a word...hmm
I go from stopping the pulse - which is BS - to "the even occurs during the rise of the pulse" and no one noticed that?
============
Side note:
To the bro's at 1:10 - this Bud's for you!
Quote from: sparks on September 25, 2009, 09:02:50 PM
Think it is gonna be kinda hard to scope the event. Maybe an echo but not the event. Superluminal events are hard to scope. Dollard and Tesla did their recording creating standing wave fields along the skin of coax. They did the math and for such a wavefield to arise the reflected signal had to reach the end of the coax and be reflected faster than the speed of light.
Only way for something to happen faster than the speed of light (and I would venture most physicists would have to agree) is due to the manipulation of spacetime somewhere near the recorder.
Actually you can scope the event, but what you need is my Litz tank, modified with the edition of a number of other litz tanks in Russian nesting doll fashion with a small air gap, so as the field expands you can get the differential between tanks. The shockwave is slowed down every time its path changes density copper wires > air > copper wires > air.... Shock waves love segmented objects
Quote from: Grumpy on September 25, 2009, 10:38:45 PM
manipulation of space-time - now were talkin'
I make a 180 degree turn in no one says a word...hmm
I go from stopping the pulse - which is BS - to "the even occurs during the rise of the pulse" and no one noticed that?
============
Side note:
To the bro's at 1:10 - this Bud's for you!
Are you nulling a field with the 180deg? What am i missing? i need more coffee....
Quote from: darkspeed on September 25, 2009, 10:34:00 PM
Grumpy, is that a bunch of avalanche transistor in series?
Are those the caps you were using to speed up the switching?
Interesting.... :o
that is prototype series (stacked) transistor avalanche pulser for 10kv
most people use a low value resistor between the base and collector to hold off the avalanche until about 5ma. I didn't like that idea. iI need a snap the whip effect and waiting for 5ma ain't gettin' it done. A small cap (I used 50pf) from emitter to collector lowers the impedance across the switch. BAM! A few have done this with pulse transformers and used the capacitance of the transformer rather than a cap.
Quote from: darkspeed on September 25, 2009, 10:44:10 PM
Are you nulling a field with the 180deg? What am i missing? i need more coffee....
180 degrees
I changed my answers to Chef 180 degrees and no one said a word. Just a curious observation.
Dollard did the 180 degree field for dielectric flux experiements which he never published as far as I know. He said that this contains all of the energy - basically to Tesla MT's connected at the primary and wound in a mirrored fashion.
Anyway, I used transistor rather than mosfets for a few reasons: can trigger with freq synth, cheaper, non-linear - but mosfets would work too.
Quote from: darkspeed on September 25, 2009, 10:41:42 PM
Actually you can scope the event, but what you need is my Litz tank, modified with the edition of a number of other litz tanks in Russian nesting doll fashion with a small air gap, so as the field expands you can get the differential between tanks. The shockwave is slowed down every time its path changes density copper wires > air > copper wires > air.... Shock waves love segmented objects
Ev Grey
Density you say. That would change the parameters. So, a change in density is all you need.
Because of this thread, somewhere out there, the distant sound of a department, quietly getting a budget increase
Quote from: Grumpy on September 25, 2009, 10:58:51 PM
180 degrees
I changed my answers to Chef 180 degrees and no one said a word. Just a curious observation.
Dollard did the 180 degree field for dielectric flux experiements which he never published as far as I know. He said that this contains all of the energy - basically to Tesla MT's connected at the primary and wound in a mirrored fashion.
Anyway, I used transistor rather than mosfets for a few reasons: can trigger with freq synth, cheaper, non-linear - but mosfets would work too.
:D I thought when you said 180deg you were referring to how you laid out your transistors on your board... i need sleep...
Grumpy gave us a test and we all flunked. :P There is no way we are going to get a rise fast enough to do what has to be done. As any investment of energy into an inertial field is a case of diminishing returns. A speeding train takes a long time to get up to speed but how fast can it hit a wall. How fast do two colliding trains collide. How fast do two photons cancel each other out. Any investment into rise needs to effect a repolarization of the field in question faster than the speed of light. Otherwise the energy is purely reactive and will be pissed away. If we want to put a 3d effect to the spacetime plane and draw in some mass/energy we have 1 second to repolarize a field 300,000 meters by 300,000 meters in area. c2 As you reduce the size of the field you have to get faster. Like Tesla's hammer analogy. You swing the hammer for a long time and bam let it hit the nail quicker than a photon can be formed. The conversion of the at rest energy of the entire mass in play (hammer and target) converts into force faster than spacetime can radiate the event or produce time. Something has to give so the whole spacetime grid gets tugged on. Being elastic in nature it will bounce back with the converted force and we get reactive energy. But while it was depressed other forms of mass/energy rolled down the trampoline. This rolling down the trampoline is gain from the vacuum state itself. When the trampoline flattens you get the input energy flying back out PLUS the inertial gain of the rolling down mass/energy. Like a kid on a trampoline who got sand around the edges before he got jumping. The sand rolls down from the edges towards the depression the kid makes in the center of the trampoline. Nature puts the sand at different points on the tramp all we have to do is catch it rolling down for a little gain on each cycle. If we hit the tramp with knives on our shoes that will be a different deal. The kid moves from one dimension into another never to be seen again. Why the fuck would anyone with a heartbeat put sailors on a steel ship they were smacking with the largest emps they could muster at the time is beyond me. Snakeminds suck.
Quote from: sparks on September 26, 2009, 08:53:03 PM
Why the fuck would anyone with a heartbeat put sailors on a steel ship they were smacking with the largest emps they could muster at the time is beyond me.
I hear its the fastest direct rout to Norfolk...
G
Drift Step Recovery Diode (DSRD) - Its a very Russian thing to do...
Prof Alexei Kardo-Sysoev of Ioffe Physics Institute, St. Petersburg Russia
100 kV pulses, to rise times on the order of 1 ns
http://www.avtechpulse.com/faq.html/IV.30/
http://accelconf.web.cern.ch/AccelConf/e06/PAPERS/THPCH147.PDF
The dist. http://www.moose-hill.com/pulse.htm#Pulse%20Systems%20Group
>>> http://www.moose-hill.com/pulse.htm#Novel%20Semiconductor%20Devices
Read this about ten times:
1. Energy is stored in an inductor at low voltage, then the current is broken quickly by use of opening switch, such as a Drift Step Recovery Diode (DSRD). The current goes to the load forming a short pulse. The load voltage during the pulse is an order of magnitude higher than the initial voltage used to store energy in the inductor. Therefore the high voltage exists only during a very short (several nanoseconds) pulse length, and only in a very small portion of the circuit (output cable). This has obvious safety advantages, and the arcing problems are not so severe as for high voltage DC.
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6087871
How fast of a rise is fast enough?
200ps?
200ns?
With 100kv, rise probably doesn't matter as you have so much potential. 1us is probably good at this voltage.
Of course it takes more than a fast pulse. You need high impedence to the pulse, high surface area/mass, and then you have to catch it.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 27, 2009, 01:10:35 AM
How fast of a rise is fast enough?
200ps?
200ns?
With 100kv, rise probably doesn't matter as you have so much potential. 1us is probably good at this voltage.
Of course it takes more than a fast pulse. You need high impedence to the pulse, high surface area/mass, and then you have to catch it.
Well I would guess that it depends on the efficiency of the setup and what you want out. I need to quit thinking and get back to trying!
Seeing the way the TPU spools up I am beginning to think that it is a low power device but accumulating output over a number of revolutions before it is sent to load.. this is just a guess... Im guessing it is not over 3kv maybe even lower.
Im trying to finish a big project and then I am planning on locking myself in my lab at home for about a month. The questions are piling up.. Lab fridge is stocked up.. Pizza shop on speed dial.. Three phase humming eagerly...
Iv got a big 0-10kv Power Designs supply and a pair of freshly calibrated Wavetek 5ns pulse generators that just showed up so I can get more precise test points. I have a number of Mil spec. 5kv triodes sent in a care package from the motherland..
Quote from: darkspeed on September 27, 2009, 02:53:11 AM
Well I would guess that it depends on the efficiency of the setup and what you want out. I need to quit thinking and get back to trying!
Seeing the way the TPU spools up I am beginning to think that it is a low power device but accumulating output over a number of revolutions before it is sent to load.. this is just a guess... Im guessing it is not over 3kv maybe even lower.
Im trying to finish a big project and then I am planning on locking myself in my lab at home for about a month. The questions are piling up.. Lab fridge is stocked up.. Pizza shop on speed dial.. Three phase humming eagerly...
Iv got a big 0-10kv Power Designs supply and a pair of freshly calibrated Wavetek 5ns pulse generators that just showed up so I can get more precise test points. I have a number of Mil spec. 5kv triodes sent in a care package from the motherland..
Maybe you will be cooking pizza with a new oven by the end of the year!
I got coils to wind...
Quote from: darkspeed on September 26, 2009, 12:43:39 AM
Because of this thread, somewhere out there, the distant sound of a department, quietly getting a budget increase
With the possible link to the Resonant Gravity Field Coil:
http://www.gnucash.org/mirrors/www.amasci.com/freenrg/gravity3.txt
This "department" will be getting a "blank check" to put our tax-payer-dollars to use.
Notice how the coil around the toroid and core winding modulates the "scorch field". No iron in this build. The dielectric actually boils - whoa!
So, is this 'scorch field' the "scorch field" of the Philadelphia Experiment?
Scorch field = radial hv field of 100kv, 50kv bias on each coil, and modulated magnetic field all in the same space?
(Now approaching Norfolk, oops, we just bounced back to Jersey. All passengers separate from the floors and bulkheads and return to your seats.)
Quote from: Grumpy on September 27, 2009, 02:51:09 PM
With the possible link to the Resonant Gravity Field Coil:
http://www.gnucash.org/mirrors/www.amasci.com/freenrg/gravity3.txt
This "department" will be getting a "blank check" to put our tax-payer-dollars to use.
Notice how the coil around the toroid and core winding modulates the "scorch field". No iron in this build. The dielectric actually boils - whoa!
So, is this 'scorch field' the "scorch field" of the Philadelphia Experiment?
Scorch field = radial hv field of 100kv, 50kv bias on each coil, and modulated magnetic field all in the same space?
(Now approaching Norfolk, oops, we just bounced back to Jersey. All passengers separate from the floors and bulkheads and return to your seats.)
You guys are killing me...
The only time I have ever heard "scorch field" was in discussion of the atoms in a material not changing but briefly gaining a field or potential greater than their bond. The covalent bond starts to collapse but there is still a slight magnetic attraction holding it mostly together. Much like using ultrasonics to shatter a stone, except this process only fills the demand of the bond as long as the field is applied. When the field is removed the bonds start sharing electrons again. It may be an electrical version of Cymatics. I meant to say it does not exist and it is a figment of your vivid imagination just like this photo.
I don't believe we will ever find gravity coming at us in waves. It may appear to have some wave characteristics because of the multitude of scources converging on any point. Gravity to me is a hole in our dimension. Mostly a way out of the spacetime grid. The way massenergy enters the grid is a little less obvious because of it's diffuse nature. I believe Bearden called it the most forocious bubbling imaginable from every given point on the grid. As gravity force works on radiance there is a flow in and out of the grid. Unimaginable amounts of change in the vacuum state everywhere. Until this boiling and condensing is given direction no inertia is formed and no apparent energy or change in reality or time reaches our plane of awareness. When we create a gravity effect or radiant effect we create an observer to this chaotic in and out flow. Now the observer field can feel the bubbling and a wave or photon is born. If we are ever able to create a real electron and then convert it all back to radiance we will have ourselves a pretty powerful tool.
The only thing keeping the "myth of TPU" alive is the grumpies and sparks of this world .
Once I see a video of it doing something useful , from Bruce_tpu or anybody else , I will believe a normal non-alien person can make it . Right now there is only "myth tellers" still talking about this silly device .
Once there is true competition between the FE device like in 100 years from now , this thing will probably be somekind of antique .
We get it D, its small. Let it go.
Quote from: Chef on September 27, 2009, 06:29:41 PM
How did you managed to do that deformation in the aluminum?
I wish!
That was not me.. It was from a John Hutchinson demonstration in Canada.
If I did that you would never see it posted..
He actually did demonstrations for the DOD.
His location was late raided and all of his equipment confiscated.
Quote from: Chef on September 27, 2009, 06:57:12 PM
Nice one ;) What demonstration was that? What did he show?
Look for videos..some videos you will never see , some you can find on youtube
He was placing samples at the field intersection of a number of powerful Tesla coils and adding very stout RF aimed into the event area. It could take many many hours before any effect was seen. He was doing this in his apartment and it is a deathtrap. Stuffed full of salvage mil stuff. If any of that old equipment caught on fire you would never make it out alive.
Hutchison has also levitated objects.
He is the Ted Nugent of space-time - LOL!
Done winding for the day.
Trying to recreate my little reflected energy incident where I had extremely loud "bangs" at the transformer terminals with no flash. I suspected that energy was somehow reflected from the gap. I think there was a lot more going on with that little incidence - that much energy has to be a good thing.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 27, 2009, 07:28:37 PM
Hutchison has also levitated objects.
He is the Ted Nugent of space-time - LOL!
Done winding for the day.
Trying to recreate my little reflected energy incident where I had extremely loud "bangs" at the transformer terminals with no flash. I suspected that energy was somehow reflected from the gap. I think there was a lot more going on with that little incidence - that much energy has to be a good thing.
Do you remember how you had it set up? From the terminals??
Quote from: darkspeed on September 27, 2009, 10:25:35 PM
Do you remember how you had it set up? From the terminals??
Unfortunately I don't remember. It was a year or more ago and a basic pulse setup. 10kv, spark gap, hmm - it was after I started using a diode bridge for DC. I remember that it was hard to locate since there was no flash, just one hell of a bang every few seconds, about every ten or so. I stopped it with a small plate of 1/4" PE between the terminals of the tranny.
It was unwanted energy at the time.
looking at old notes.
Quote from: darkspeed on September 25, 2009, 06:28:06 PM
Here is that cross talk shot between the two IRF840's after i shut the sig gen off. There was a mosfet on both ends of the coil and the gates were connected with 24" of iron delay wire in the shape of a coil. Not sure where the power was coming from but it collapsed once it shocked me. This is a work in progress...
+Mosfet > coil >Mosfet-
5HZ square wave 10vp into gate of Mosfet- and through a delay line into +Mosfet
Mosfets were fed 20vdc
The coil was 16g copper wrapped vertically around a horizontal closed coil of 50 x 16g copper 10" dia.
I had been running for about 20 min with no effect then I killed the DC supply and in fooling with the connections i accidently disconnected the coil from the output of +Mosfet. When i snapped it back on the scope red lined so I switched over to 1:10, pushed the scale way down to 50ns and double checked that the DC was off. Then I killed the HP signal generator and the pulled the connector of the HP. The signal persisted for long enough for me to go and get my camera. When I picked up the loose sig gen line it felt all prickly and then the signal stopped. Restarting the system and no signal... must have reconnected +Mosfet at some special moment... Im guessing that 19.9mhz is as fast as those IRF840's can swing. It is a fairly sharp rise and fall. I should have a recording of it on that scopes hard drive.
I used this circuit:
I think the coax lines were short 3 ft or 6ft, so gap was overdriven.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 27, 2009, 10:48:43 PM
I used this circuit:
I think the coax lines were short 3 ft or 6ft, so gap was overdriven.
Well thats an expensive book.. Edmund Miller
When I connected the delay line - (coiled bare steel wire) between the Mosfet gates I was actually creating an antenna effect. As the wave passed through the delay coil from the main coil it would send gate signal to the Mosfets thus switching on and one off just slightly out of phase. Seemed really clean and fast..
Might be worth playing with..
http://www.atis.org/peg/docs/peg2004/Petersen.pdf
see page 4
this explains the need for high self inductance
this explains the need for the cold transient
This explains why we do not use unmagnetized ferromagnetic cores for our coils and why the shock wave does not occur with these materials in the vicinity.
somewhere, far away, is the sound of a phone being answered: several agents were just reassigned...LOL!
Quote from: Grumpy on September 28, 2009, 09:57:56 PM
http://www.atis.org/peg/docs/peg2004/Petersen.pdf
see page 4
this explains the need for high self inductance
this explains the need for the cold transient
This explains why we do not use unmagnetized ferromagnetic cores for our coils and why the shock wave does not occur with these materials in the vicinity.
somewhere, far away, is the sound of a phone being answered: several agents were just reassigned...LOL!
ferromagnetic cores = quicksand
thanks for posting that!
Electrons have mass and momentum. There are lots of them round these parts going every whicha way. Make them all go the same way and they grow into a herd of electrons or sometimes even like an avalanche of snow. When you herd cattle you don't have to push each cow to the slaughterhouse you just exert control over their intrinsic energy and the cows do the rest of the work for you.
Push an electrode up to 36kv positive (positive empty is more like it) and the other electrode becomes the entire earth. The little devils start amoving from the earth where they were all just a bumpin about directly towards the empty electrode hole. If ya keep the electrode hole open too long the buggers get all jammed up trying to get on through and the party just moved. But if you stop a showin the hole they just keep wissin on by towards your collector. Been there done that. More ways to make juice than pulling wires through horseshoe like magnets fast. I just use my tv to get me some high pulsed dc and attach the electric sparking wire that goes to the back of the tube to a piece of rusty wire shoved on through a plastic block. Pretty white blue flames a comin offa the ends of the coily iron fencing wire. Gots to be rusty though needs that there oxidation to make sure them there electrons keep on the path.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_electricity
QuoteA wonderful resource for lightning information can be found in the book All About Lightning by Martin A. Uman. In it he wrote:
When lightning flashes, its current reaches its peak of 10,000 to 20,000 amps in a few millionths of a second. The current then decreases in around a thousandth of a second unless it's what's known as a continuing current. A continuing current can be around 100 amps and last for one or two tenths of a second. Strokes with a continuing current are called "hot" lightning because they start fires in wood, Uman explains. As he notes, to start wood burning, the electrical current has to be not only hot, but last long enough. The extra tenth or so of a second is enough to do this. Lightning without the continuing current doesn't last long enough to set wood on fire and is called "cold" lightning.
Hello all,
@Bruce_TPU
sorry if it looks like Im forcing or pushing you but we are waiting.
Otto
The question about TPU is : what is real energy source for it ? is that Earth static magnetic field or magnetic field fluctuations caused by cosmic particles ? We do not want to deplete Earth static magnetic field before finding it's source . If that field is induced by external source (Sun) then fine, but if it's not recoverable then we must find another way.
Maybe Bruce_TPU knows more....
Quote from: sparks on September 28, 2009, 11:31:01 PM
Gots to be rusty though needs that there oxidation to make sure them there electrons keep on the path.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_electricity
Translation for everyone else... Differential element diode.... Iron>e->Iron Oxide Electrons can only flow one way
Quote from: forest on September 29, 2009, 02:21:36 AM
The question about TPU is : what is real energy source for it ? is that Earth static magnetic field or magnetic field fluctuations caused by cosmic particles ? We do not want to deplete Earth static magnetic field before finding it's source . If that field is induced by external source (Sun) then fine, but if it's not recoverable then we must find another way.
Maybe Bruce_TPU knows more....
Dont worry.. You wont deplete it, its always been there, and long after we are all gone it will remain.
You are not destroying energy, just temporarily moving it around, it will all snap back.
Quote from: otto on September 29, 2009, 01:16:32 AM
Hello all,
@Bruce_TPU
sorry if it looks like Im forcing or pushing you but we are waiting.
Otto
I hope you are not holding your breath...
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Quote from: darkspeed on September 29, 2009, 02:50:23 AM
Dont worry.. You wont deplete it, its always been there, and long after we are all gone it will remain.
You are not destroying energy, just temporarily moving it around, it will all snap back.
;)
Here is mention of a very inrteresting invention that uses a transient displacement current interacting with a magnetic field to produce thrust.
Notice that even on the fall of the pulse, the dielectric medium is moving in one direction only. Directional biasing...
http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:TdHyUqp74KoJ:www2b.abc.net.au/science/k2/stn/archives/archive85/newposts/1357/topic1357663.shtm+%22transient+displacement+current%22+%22magnetic+field%22&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Marvelous inventions often begin as works of fiction.
I just identified the COMP field.
ROFL @ the TPU people and the TPU myth !
desperatly googlin in an ocean of propaganda ... yet still they probably cant calculate elementary AC circuits with reactive components . BUT they can understand transcient and hyper-luminal physics .
Some people should learn humility .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humility
Some of you have been speading the TPU myth since 2006 and still .... still the myth continues ...
Quote from: Grumpy on September 29, 2009, 09:21:36 AM
I just identified the COMP field.
Thats a big carrot... Details????
Quote from: dankie on September 29, 2009, 10:25:59 AM
Some people should learn humility .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humility
D, Here is a page you should take the time to read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manners
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politeness
Quote from: darkspeed on September 29, 2009, 12:48:36 PM
Thats a big carrot... Details????
being deliberately vague at this time:
a means of energy transmission that is not EM - not longitudinal like everyone thinks - like a propagation of magnetic vibrations or changes in the permeability like I mentioned previously - your explanation by interuption of the magnetic field is a good analogy
it has momentum, which implies mass, though there is no mass
I am not sure how this relates to the braking effect we have been tossing around
I am convinced more than ever that the Resonant Gravity Field Coil is similar technology and was completely disclosed and forgotten.
the energy moves at C, and can be unusually large
inductive like a bar magnet fired out of a gun
No No No !!! no manners for the TPU brotherhood .
Operation smash and crash .
Otto is waiting on Bruce_TPU and Bruce is waiting on Jesus .
There is no TPU prophet .
Perhaps Darkspeed is the new one ? And Grumpy is the apostle haha!
Quote from: Grumpy on September 29, 2009, 02:04:16 PM
being deliberately vague at this time:
a means of energy transmission that is not EM - not longitudinal like everyone thinks - like a propagation of magnetic vibrations or changes in the permeability like I mentioned previously - your explanation by interuption of the magnetic field is a good analogy
it has momentum, which implies mass, though there is no mass
I am not sure how this relates to the braking effect we have been tossing around
I am convinced more than ever that the Resonant Gravity Field Coil is similar technology and was completely disclosed and forgotten.
the energy moves at C, and can be unusually large
inductive like a bar magnet fired out of a gun
If a beautiful and mysterious girl starts hitting on you and taking an interest in your work, beware she may work for me ;)
Quote from: dankie on September 29, 2009, 02:58:28 PM
No No No !!! no manners for the TPU brotherhood .
Operation smash and crash .
Otto is waiting on Bruce_TPU and Bruce is waiting on Jesus .
There is no TPU prophet .
Perhaps Darkspeed is the new one ? And Grumpy is the apostle haha!
Apostle?!
I am no less than a "demi-god"! LOL!!!
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Quote from: darkspeed on September 29, 2009, 03:12:17 PM
If a beautiful and mysterious girl starts hitting on you and taking an interest in your work, beware she may work for me ;)
I am more afraid of other scenarios.
My whole perspective is different now. Not what I expected, much more interesting.
What is strange is that many of the clues that SM and others gave are exactly correct. Almost verbatum. Very uncanny. Like they through out pages from the same book.
More like a cornicopious salad acreage!
The rabbits are pleased.
Quote from: darkspeed on September 29, 2009, 12:48:36 PM
Thats a big carrot... Details????
It does point back to the tidal wave posts I did 2.5 years ago.
The equilibrium gets unbalanced from the earthquake and the kinetic force builds through distance in the aquatic medium.
The dolphins are pushed by the compression wave at the bow of the boat too.
Mother nature abhors a vacuum.
These 3 facets of nature are not isolated but copies of a micro force in action.
The releasing of the push action is replayed in reverse only faster or more powerful. The tidal wave gets bigger in air above the water line where there is a different lighter medium.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 29, 2009, 02:04:16 PM
being deliberately vague at this time:
a means of energy transmission that is not EM - not longitudinal like everyone thinks - like a propagation of magnetic vibrations or changes in the permeability like I mentioned previously - your explanation by interuption of the magnetic field is a good analogy
it has momentum, which implies mass, though there is no mass
I am not sure how this relates to the braking effect we have been tossing around
I am convinced more than ever that the Resonant Gravity Field Coil is similar technology and was completely disclosed and forgotten.
the energy moves at C, and can be unusually large
inductive like a bar magnet fired out of a gun
bigger than corrot or salad
it's like combining two energies and getting something totally unexpected
I can't PM on this computer, browser sucks, and I am reluctant to post it here, where trolls abound.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 29, 2009, 05:56:21 PM
bigger than corrot or salad
it's like combining two energies and getting something totally unexpected
I can't PM on this computer, browser sucks, and I am reluctant to post it here, where trolls abound.
Congratulations. If its good then work with it!
I bought a box of 10mb micro memory sticks from ebay and i regularly duplicate my current work on them and have friends hold them for me. You can even encrypt them. There may come a day when you only have the time to push a password. If you go bye bye your work will stand.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 29, 2009, 02:04:16 PM
being deliberately vague at this time:
a means of energy transmission that is not EM - not longitudinal like everyone thinks - like a propagation of magnetic vibrations or changes in the permeability like I mentioned previously - your explanation by interuption of the magnetic field is a good analogy
it has momentum, which implies mass, though there is no mass
I am not sure how this relates to the braking effect we have been tossing around
I am convinced more than ever that the Resonant Gravity Field Coil is similar technology and was completely disclosed and forgotten.
the energy moves at C, and can be unusually large
inductive like a bar magnet fired out of a gun
Are you tanking just the initial current? Im wild guessing...
Quote from: Grumpy on September 29, 2009, 04:30:43 PM
Apostle?!
I am no less than a "demi-god"! LOL!!!
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I am more afraid of other scenarios.
My whole perspective is different now. Not what I expected, much more interesting.
What is strange is that many of the clues that SM and others gave are exactly correct. Almost verbatum. Very uncanny. Like they through out pages from the same book.
Make the target large now ..or risk becoming another hermit
Well, that is one way to look at it.
I'm not trying to tease. I just have not determined my next step.
Chef put forth a very interesting point with his hole in the aluminum foil cause by "something" going through it. I guess that this makes it linear momentum, at least until you rotate it.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 29, 2009, 08:23:09 PM
...least until you rotate it.
corkscrew or redirect? If you can answer that is...
Quote from: darkspeed on September 29, 2009, 06:26:17 PM
Are you tanking just the initial current? Im wild guessing...
the interaction
"why" the pulse effect (RE) is magnified
Quote from: darkspeed on September 29, 2009, 09:49:33 PM
corkscrew or redirect? If you can answer that is...
rotate linear momentum and you get angular momentum, so both
Quote from: Grumpy on September 29, 2009, 10:00:08 PM
rotate linear momentum and you get angular momentum, so both
I like it! Rifled electrons for distance and accuracy! lol...
Einstein stated that the Universe is expanding. This radiant big bang event I would say is still going on. If we anchor something then around about near to the anchor a relative motion is observable. Put a stick in a river and a condensed current insues from what was a homogeneous flow before. If we have poles we have rotation. If we have rotation we have poles. If we freeze a portion of spacetime we can observe alot of traveling stuff in the near field of the relatively motionless or timeless reality. If we extract the energy from the frozen spacetime coordinates we can get that energy plus any flowing or traveling energy relative to this frozen zone.
no electrons
lots of ways to look at it and the thing they have in common is a huge amount of energy
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I racant the previous statement that ist is not longitudinal as I think "longitudinal" is close enough.
Let me stew over this for a little bit and then I'll share it.
I placed the links here to tie into the post of spherics that first mentions the COMP Field:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.msg202861#msg202861
Where is Bruce?
Bruce is waiting to get those boxes saying "signal generator 115 khz tube amp of your choice" into an real pulsing device so he can actually test it for the first time .
Yeah , I know its pathetic ...
In the meantime , look at my free energy device I made .
Bruce has not posted in a while. Maybe he is trying to prove his intermodulation ideas.
Intermod. is very interesting stuff. I have read what he has posted on it and it can be pretty complex. I myself am more of a builder/replicator due to the fact I have no formal training in electronics. I am an artist/futurist and just love this stuff. Anyways I liked the post by spherics that you just posted. It is refeshing to see different perspectives.
Quote from: dankie on September 30, 2009, 01:15:46 PM
In the meantime , look at my free energy device I made .
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7926.0;attach=38007;image (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7926.0;attach=38007;image)
I know I should not feed the trolls, but I must toss you one of my best french fries for that image. I just about fell out of my chair.
While everyone feeding trolls, jerkin' off, and making OU devices I hoped that at least one of you would notice that the ol' comp field looks a hell of a lot like Hooper's "motional electric field".
So, quit farting around and pull your heads out of your proverbial asses.
Tesla's and Hooper's patents are "public domain". Same damn principles as the TPU and a host of other devices. They all work on these same principles. They have to.
look at Hooper's Patent: 3656013
Page 2
Interesting, isn't it?
"When the great innovation appears, it will almost certainly be in a muddled, incomplete, and confusing form. To the discoverer himself, it will be only half-understood; to everybody else, it will be a mystery. For any speculation which does not at first glance look crazy, there is no hope." (45 ~ Freeman Dyson: Scientific American, September 1958).
@grumpy,
Very interesting. Been looking at the parallels for a long time now. Just can't clear the bench yet. Ordered a wireless hub to drive the controller. This will let me run my current setup longer to catch more events instead of crashing the PC at the first one. This current build has a larger coil and higher voltage. When the event hits everything shuts down. Gotta see this event more than once a test. Then I can progress to Darkspeed's 4 step plan. My event happens between 1 and 2 minutes. I want to tune better to shorten that window. The isolated scope has paid for itself in that is doesn't get effected by the event. Slowly but surely I make steps to alleviate any stop points. When I find the best tuning then I will put that into the controller for freestanding operation. Then I can insert diodes and caps capture the energy.
@all,
Humble pie is always served cold...
Let Bruce work out what he has to. Remove the speck out of your own eye before complaining about the log in your brother's eye.
His approach showed me somethings I had come across before. Just needed to see again from a different person. At least he is building...
He will be that more smarter for it. There is more copper on most of our shelves that won't see reality, just yet.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Grumpy on September 30, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
While everyone feeding trolls, jerkin' off, and making OU devices I hoped that at least one of you would notice that the ol' comp field looks a hell of a lot like Hooper's "motional electric field".
So, quit farting around and pull your heads out of your proverbial asses.
Tesla's and Hooper's patents are "public domain". Same damn principles as the TPU and a host of other devices. They all work on these same principles. They have to.
look at Hooper's Patent: 3656013
Page 2
Interesting, isn't it?
Quote from: Grumpy on September 30, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
Tesla's and Hooper's patents are "public domain". Same damn principles as the TPU and a host of other devices. They all work on these same principles. They have to.
@Grumpy
Which Tesla patent are you refering to?
There is ambient energy to be harvested so how can we put together a simple device and I mean simple that will convert it into what appears as overunity. Something a fifth grader with an attention span of 30 seconds will be interested in and understand.
Quote from: sparks on October 01, 2009, 07:02:25 AM
There is ambient energy to be harvested so how can we put together a simple device and I mean simple that will convert it into what appears as overunity. Something a fifth grader with an attention span of 30 seconds will be interested in and understand.
The "ambient energy" as you call it, is dependent on other waves for it's existence. It is"dynamic" and does not sit idle and wait for us to use it like a capacitor or battery. A few people have developed antennas and recievers that appear to recieve energy from the "universe". Something put that energy in motion, be it a pulsar, our sun, a multitude of astral bodies, or GOD himself.
Look at Tesla's simple radiant energy collectors - a copper plate, gap, cap, and ground. Has anyone ever considered that this might be a basic starting point and that it can be enhanced to receive much more energy? No. That might require us to "think" or "work".
Perhaps some will look at them with a different perspective. Ten forms of energy with the same properties are probably the same damn thing.
Quote from: Chef on October 01, 2009, 09:44:45 AM
Considering there are about 6.788 billion people on the earth, it's very irresponsible statement. :)
We are an irresponsible species.
Since you replied, how might the Tesla Radiant Energy Receivers be "enhanced"?
If I compress a region of space (requires HV negative impulses) above the receiver plate, will it increase the apperture of the receiver (make it appear "larger") and recieve more RE from "space"?
If I place a gravity field coil (the one that ShadowHawk shared a couple of decades ago) between the receiver plate and "space", and "enhance" gravity in the region above the plate, will I receive more RE?
Quote from: Chef on October 01, 2009, 10:54:19 AM
I so hate that word : RE. Could you tell me please what is RE? Radiant Energy? What does it mean? Do you know, or just use that fancy word, as everybody else. How we want to force a copper atom's (in that example) to supply more energy for us, if we don't know how one single atom working, how absorb and radiate energy in the first place. What happening when we overload the atomic lattice bond in the copper with capacitor discharge? For god sake, we manipulating atom's every day, using them to transfer energy from point to point, we have to somehow simplify down enough (2 atom in a covalent bond) our thinking, examples, to understand how energy transferred, received, radiated by the mass.
Sure, you will. A lot more. 1 RE, 2RE, 3RE etc... ;D
Don't take that post as an offense, but it's really pathetic, if i read back 1-2 years, same things happened here, as right now. Linking pdf's, books, talking about everything using fancy words, which nobody exactly understand, and know what the *** is that, and generating more and more confusion from time to time. I realized already, that's how open forums work. In the end I could ask myself, wtf I'am doing here? :) Nowdays I think i have more fun, as I learn here.
"Radiant Energy" is whatever is charging the capacitor in Tesla Radiant Energy Receiver:
Nikola Tesla - Method of Utilizing Radiant Energy - US Patent 685958
I am just asking if anyone took this and tried to understand it, or improve it. Obviously no one has given it more than a passing glance.
Quote from: Chef on October 01, 2009, 12:51:14 PM
Obviously no one in the universe. It's so sad. :'(
That is the point I was trying to make, as well as to plant some "idea seeds" in anyone bothering to read my post.
What if this "radiant energy", pooring down in an endless supply from Heaven, can be collected in a different way, and made "practical"?
Any thoughts related to this, Chef?
Quote from: Grumpy on October 01, 2009, 12:29:16 PM
"Radiant Energy" is whatever is charging the capacitor in Tesla Radiant Energy Receiver:
Capacitor to electricity = storage device
Capacitor to RE = conductor > dielectric > conductor > dielectric = segmented object, a great transition of densities
If you are trying to soundproof an area, surround it with a barrier constructed of materials of varying densities.
The sound wave will impart its energy into the materials.
Every time it reaches a new material it has to attempt to vibrate that material and thus converts it s energy reserve to heat.
An RE wave works in a similar way converting its energy reserve into mobilized current.
Atom 'A' exclaims to atom 'B': I think I lost an electron?!'
Atom 'B' replies 'Are you sure?'.
Atom 'A' replies ' I'm postive!'.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3354.msg203017#msg203017 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3354.msg203017#msg203017)
--giantkiller
http://www.amazon.com/Subquantum-Kinetics-Systems-Approach-Cosmology/dp/0964202557/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254431900&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Subquantum-Kinetics-Systems-Approach-Cosmology/dp/0964202557/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254431900&sr=8-1)
Read this on page 70 chapter 4.5.
Should widen your eyes a whole lot.
I could scan it, but....
This being the newest of information on this subject and Laviolette being ahead of the mainstream like the astrophysicists in the 'Electric universe' I want them to cherise the rewards of the battles that ensued upon their doctorates. These guys are on the forefront of a big change.
The Sun is visually hollow. Looks like dark matter or strictly huge gravity volume. The part we call the Sun is only an interference layer between the outside (space) and the inside (massive gravity/magnetism).
Get the book and get the light year leap you are looking for. Planet Earth is small and the status quo view infinitesimally minute.
--giantkiller.
scorch field
I also equate this to a spherical standing wave. A harmonic produced at a specific declining energy level.
Quote from: Grumpy on October 01, 2009, 05:35:02 PM
scorch field
The infamous "scorch field" - a radial electric field modulated by an encompassing magnetic field - warping time, space , and everything else
While we are at it, Wilbert Smith's "tempic field" is apparently made manifest with the comp field. It was indicated to Smith that manipulation of an electric field with a magnetic field produced a change in the tempic field. This is a second order tempic field for all I know....jeez.
So, 'nuff talk. Now we need to walk the walk...
Quote from: Grumpy on October 01, 2009, 07:53:22 PM
So, 'nuff talk. Now we need to walk the walk...
Finally have some time off!! Back in the lab seeing what's on the slab..
I will take my current PC based pulse protocol for the JDO300 controller and save to the controller for standalone runtime. The event happens < 2 mins so I will be testing with that. Np dynamic tuning. The object here is to exclude the USB connection. I will put the capture circuit on. This will be a minimalist test since the event is not continuous. But wait! If the first event on the USB test stops everything and a free running system takes off then the next test should take off?! My iso scope should show more and more spikes coming back and accumulating into a resonant run. The USB stopped after the first pulse. My youtube PMH test ran for hours with continuous event because it was standalone albeit small for small coils and small potential. Now I have a proven bigger rig. There goes Tokyo! Go, Go Godzilla!
Looking back, I should have put the capture circuit on the PMH small test. Because after 20 seconds the thing just took off and stabilized with very low <2.5ma draw. I can use the iso-scope as a vom/amp meter too.
@Bruce, It happens in the space between the spaces.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: Grumpy on October 01, 2009, 07:53:22 PM
So, 'nuff talk. Now we need to walk the walk...
Stand aside ! The baby is walking ! The baby is walking ! ... OOO so cute ...gaga googoo
After years of preparing he is finally walking , Darkspeed , plz comfort him and pick him up when he falls .
One day that little baby will make a TPU .
Quote from: dankie on October 01, 2009, 09:11:43 PM
Stand aside ! The baby is walking ! The baby is walking ! ... OOO so cute ...gaga googoo
After years of preparing he is finally walking , Darkspeed , plz comfort him and pick him up when he falls .
One day that little baby will make a TPU .
.
Take a moment to adjust your medication, im sure you are just cranky from crying yourself to sleep every night...
If we go back to the classical view of the atom we find that charge is centripedal force resulting in the electron storing energy it's angular momentum. When an atom is ionized we have to add energy to the field of the atom to have the outermost electron shell be disrupted enough to free the electron. The electron once free of the neucleus imposes it's angular momentum on an increased field of play. In a conductor the atoms are already ionized with the electrons forming a cloud or atmosphere about the core of the conductor. There is very little to gain from these atoms because the cloud has already given up it's angular momentum to the field. By pushing on one end of the wire the electrons move transmitting the information to the other end. But in a free energy device this is not what we want. We want to cut loose electrons in low energy orbitals. These low energy orbital electrons have to have alot of angular momentum else they would just fall into the core. If we cool an electron what is keeping it from smashing into the neucleus? Would the cooled electron collide with the core and emit some photon packets like uv waves? Would this emission of photon energy be enough to ionize surrounding atoms and more gain from conversion of electron angular momentum to kinetic energy? Kinda off topic but electron cascade events are pretty interesting phenomenon. I am sure that all sorts of magnetic dipole alignment of the atoms would be necessary for something like this to happen but momentum and energy would be conserved and no unknown scources of energy or fields need be identified.
Lets rumble grrr ...
It will be better for the overunity community , HHO and my vunderful inventions for me shoot down this TPU stuff once and for all .
We all know how this will end .
Your prophets were false ones , its time to kill it before more damage is done , before you start overhyping your litttle scope distortion and nothing gets done anyways .OFC now that its goverment funded , its confirmed , I got a reverse enginnering project coming , the natural momentum must be and is coming the HHO way get it ? Theres even GEET to combine it with and make it more powerful, can add oil , petrol diesel w/e ...
HHO solves everything from transport , elecricity , and water purification ,All of wich are EQUALLY important ,does it the cheapest in all 3 categories , we use what we have . That other BS is all CADILLAC like Stan says . Do you know how bad city water is ? Do you know how many kW it takes to run a grocery truck down the road ?
I rest my case .
I am curious about your HHO. At what point in the transit do you crack the water?
Quote from: dankie on October 01, 2009, 11:20:12 PM
Lets rumble grrr ...
It will be better for the overunity community , HHO and my vunderful inventions for me shoot down this TPU stuff once and for all .
Your prophets were false ones , its time to kill it before more damage is done , before you start overhyping your litttle scope distortion and nothing gets done anyways .
We all know how this will end .
Quote from: giantkiller on October 01, 2009, 11:44:14 PM
I am curious about your HHO. At what point in the transit do you crack the water?
When he pisses in the wind...
ROFLMFAO!!!
Beautiful Sparks!
Quote from: sparks on October 01, 2009, 10:53:50 PM
If we go back to the classical view of the atom we find that charge is centripedal force resulting in the electron storing energy it's angular momentum. When an atom is ionized we have to add energy to the field of the atom to have the outermost electron shell be disrupted enough to free the electron. The electron once free of the neucleus imposes it's angular momentum on an increased field of play. In a conductor the atoms are already ionized with the electrons forming a cloud or atmosphere about the core of the conductor. There is very little to gain from these atoms because the cloud has already given up it's angular momentum to the field. By pushing on one end of the wire the electrons move transmitting the information to the other end. But in a free energy device this is not what we want. We want to cut loose electrons in low energy orbitals. These low energy orbital electrons have to have alot of angular momentum else they would just fall into the core. If we cool an electron what is keeping it from smashing into the neucleus? Would the cooled electron collide with the core and emit some photon packets like uv waves? Would this emission of photon energy be enough to ionize surrounding atoms and more gain from conversion of electron angular momentum to kinetic energy? Kinda off topic but electron cascade events are pretty interesting phenomenon. I am sure that all sorts of magnetic dipole alignment of the atoms would be necessary for something like this to happen but momentum and energy would be conserved and no unknown scources of energy or fields need be identified.
@sparks
You should open a new thread and call it Sparks on the Universe, or something like that and we can discuss many things there, both on your views and also on mine and others. A sort of thread where we can let our minds loose and think out load without risking major hammer blows or being tied down to one frame of thought.
@all
More back to basics. In my continued SM FTPU sleuthing I found the FTPU RMS Meter model with photo below and am looking for a users manual for this model.
It is a Micronta Model 22-175
Found it in Radio Shacks Catalog site located here in the 1993 catalog page 127;
http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs
Also found some technical info on it here;
http://support.radioshack.com/productinfo/DocumentResults.asp?sku_id=22-175&Name=Meters%20and%20Scopes&Reuse=N
Why am I doing this. Well I am analyzing the meter readings from the moment he presses on the power button, to when he changes the selector settings (I wanted to know what the selector switches actually did to understand the meter reading changes) , analyzing the voltage readings when he puts the magnet on for the first time, then when he removes the magnet and put it back on. According to my preliminary analysis of the video, there may be some bad news about his FTPU demo and what it proves. But I won't say more until I have listed all the frame numbers and voltage readings.
Also in this same catalog, I found a crossover on page 69 (shown black and yellow) and am thinking maybe he used this as the toroid core. Has anyone every wound coils onto a crossover coil. What use would a crossover have in the FTPU and what use would two coils wound over it have?
More fun to come..............
I'm looking forward to your info wattsup, glad to see you persevering.
EM
@wattsup
Maybe you could find the time to identify the ammeter readings he gets when he puts the meter at different spots on the big tpu. He is confirming a one amp draw measuring at different spots on the torroid with what appears to be a common ac ammeter. Probably a Fluke mfg. meter. I always found this to be unusual because they are designed for 60hz operation. SM said the unit was mostly dc with some hash so how is he measuring dc using an ac ammeter. There must be some kinda ac field near the tpu because he was holding the meter a good 1/2inch or so away from the coils. I have worked around lines with 600amps at 460volts 60hz ac and never been able to measure current flow unless the clamp on ammeter was clamped around the wire and the magnetic secondary closed. I have been able to measure dc ripple current with an ac ammeter at up to 600hz but after that things start to get beyond the frequency response of the meters designed for ac. Guy that worked for me had one of those radioshack meters exact model back around the same time SM did. Has memory for high and low readings. I believe it had a signal generator in it too. Transistor test etc.
I was always a bit leary of SM not using an oscilliscope. I am quite sure that I would want to analyze the output waveform of any electrical generator I'd be dumping money into purchasing the rights to. Unless this was Taboo at SM's demonstrations.
Jason and I just got talking and I turned him on to Darkspeed's 4 step plan with the 90 degree coupling table I posted. He now knows how the compression waves work too based upon all of our seperate and dual builds and tests. Realization is the best brain food.
The Hutchison effect is gotten by this manner too. It lines up with the 3 frequency input model that John uses. Fits well with Keely's, Shaumberger's, T.T. Brown's tests.
I am done.
2 magnetic fields intersecting at different angles. Just like the ECD, GK4, and the PHM I built. The video shows the wave form with the pulsing. This has the iron core. I mention in the vid I would find out. The second shows the screen full of wave with no core but 2 spools of bifilar steel and copper. Those 2 spools are 90 degrees to each other. An angular displacement like the 45 degrees of Spherics.
Been done along time now. It all clicked.
Quote from: sparks on October 04, 2009, 11:01:36 PM
@wattsup
Maybe you could find the time to identify the ammeter readings he gets when he puts the meter at different spots on the big tpu. He is confirming a one amp draw measuring at different spots on the torroid with what appears to be a common ac ammeter. Probably a Fluke mfg. meter. I always found this to be unusual because they are designed for 60hz operation. SM said the unit was mostly dc with some hash so how is he measuring dc using an ac ammeter. There must be some kinda ac field near the tpu because he was holding the meter a good 1/2inch or so away from the coils. I have worked around lines with 600amps at 460volts 60hz ac and never been able to measure current flow unless the clamp on ammeter was clamped around the wire and the magnetic secondary closed. I have been able to measure dc ripple current with an ac ammeter at up to 600hz but after that things start to get beyond the frequency response of the meters designed for ac. Guy that worked for me had one of those radioshack meters exact model back around the same time SM did. Has memory for high and low readings. I believe it had a signal generator in it too. Transistor test etc.
I was always a bit leary of SM not using an oscilliscope. I am quite sure that I would want to analyze the output waveform of any electrical generator I'd be dumping money into purchasing the rights to. Unless this was Taboo at SM's demonstrations.
Hello all,
Have you TPU builders ever thought about why after 3 years of building nobody has a TPU?
Whats wrong with the theories, coils, setups?
Have you ever thought about to connect your MOSFETs in another way?
Ever thought about why a vibration is needed?
Ever thought about what causes a vibration?
Ever thought about the core - no core confusion?
Ever thought about why the coils are not patented and only the way to control the beast is patented?
Ever thought .......
........
........ have I to continue with my questions?
Have you ever tried to think about what the people here have NOT done and then you tried it?
Of course the answer to all my questions is
NOOOOO
Otto
Quote from: otto on October 05, 2009, 02:17:00 AM
Hello all,
Have you TPU builders ever thought about why after 3 years of building nobody has a TPU?
Whats wrong with the theories, coils, setups?
Have you ever thought about to connect your MOSFETs in another way?
Ever thought about why a vibration is needed?
Ever thought about what causes a vibration?
Ever thought about the core - no core confusion?
Ever thought about why the coils are not patented and only the way to control the beast is patented?
Ever thought .......
........
........ have I to continue with my questions?
Have you ever tried to think about what the people here have NOT done and then you tried it?
Of course the answer to all my questions is
NOOOOO
Otto
Extraordinary results require extraordinary thinking. Think about what is needed to get result not if that is possible or not. For example : we need to eliminate Len'z law so what is the reason of it ? Isn't that a magnetic field around coil ? and you try to put another coil around to get energy from oscillator and you fail due to Lenz law. What is the answer ? Move magnetic field out of coil surroundings, make moving magnetic field, take energy when there is no connection to source. When I told my friend about it which is far far better in all this electric circuits then me, he said : your idea is crazy , you cannot do it, moving magnetic field it doesn't exists and he started to explain how to generate EM radiation
Hello all,
@forest
the reason that we all failed is NOT Lenz. I have removed any magnetic field from my coils but I still failed.
Otto
PS: at least my magnetic needle hanging over my TPU didnt move when I pulsed it with a few Hertz.
Otto
Hello all,
the reason for all failures is that there was NO VIBRATION.
Hendershot, Sweet, SM, electrolysis........everything is based on a very strong vibration at certain frequencies.
Im talking about a vibration that you can feel with your fingers.
Otto
Otto,
I'm talking about this also ! Moving magnetic field. Have you ever thought what will be the results if you stop suddenly oscillations in electric circuit ? And what will be if that oscillation was of such character then prohibit creation of EM radiation ? if you have pendulum and stop vibrations energy must go somewhere and it goes into envinronment around. In case of AC there is Em radiation but if you stop oscillations before it become AC oscillating or intermittent current the released energy must be something else.Pure magnetic field flux ,moving field,wave of scalar or longitudinal characteristic. I'm talking about RELEASED VIBRATION of surroundings, of ambient background, of ether - no more connected to source.
This is what Tesla realized - Edison DC generators had commutators which acted as second spark gap - quenching circuit. When switch was closed and commutator was at right position circuit was opened at the power source end and because of resistance of wire oscillations have to spread around. This is the reason Tesla searched for quenching spark gap to get disruptive discharge - vibration which is moving out of electric circuit - a flux, comp field ,tempic field WHATEVER - it moves out of electric circuit and it's not EM radiation
Hello all,
@forest,
Im waiting for my friends so we can make a video.
My coils are oridinary coils working in a oridinary way but this way is a forgotten way. At least I never saw this posted.
It has nothing to do with aether or our surrounding. Maybe. I dont want to speculate about this.
As a friend wrote me: try to get "home made" particles.
Yes, Im working with "home made" particles, nothing special but the effects are....just nice.
Otto
Quote from: otto on October 05, 2009, 02:17:00 AM
Hello all,
Have you TPU builders ever thought about why after 3 years of building nobody has a TPU?
Whats wrong with the theories, coils, setups?
Have you ever thought about to connect your MOSFETs in another way?
Ever thought about why a vibration is needed?
Ever thought about what causes a vibration?
Ever thought about the core - no core confusion?
Ever thought about why the coils are not patented and only the way to control the beast is patented?
Ever thought .......
........
........ have I to continue with my questions?
Have you ever tried to think about what the people here have NOT done and then you tried it?
Of course the answer to all my questions is
NOOOOO
Otto
Vibration is just a secondary effect.
The real reason so many attempts fail is that we can not reliably generate the shockwave, and when we do, we can not reliably make the resulting field move in one direction.
If the detector is oscillating then the field is not moving in one direction.
Another reason is fear of high voltage. It only hurts for a short time...LOL!
A magnetic core, causes the field to work on the core and the effect does not occur as there is an easier path for the energy to take.
@Sparks
Good points. His meter is an RMS type.
About the LTPU amperage readings, I had already covered that.
Image grabs are here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5486.msg176324#msg176324
More lengthy discussion here;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5486.msg176400#msg176400
@all
Someone in Europe used my credit card illegally so I have to change it. Meanwhile, I can't use my Paypal to buy this;
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Micronta-True-RMS-Multimeter-Owners-manual-22-175_W0QQitemZ370258992779QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Books_Manuals?hash=item563527de8b&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116
If anyone can grab it and I will paypal you in about 15-20 days when I get my new card for my paypal account.
This is the only real material I found on the net on SM's Micronta 22-175 RMS Meter. Can't believe there is so little on this meter. Kinda weird. I need this to get the selector button descriptions.
Found the photo below in Google photos but I think it is not the exact model.
Man, that manual on Ebay is all there is to see all the buttons and usages and I cannot move on it. That's even weirder.
But here is some preliminary stuff;
In the following document that I thinkis basically a text version of the manual you can read under the following headings and I will comment below.
http://support.radioshack.com/support_meters/doc7/7244.htm
Quote
UNDERSTANDING PHANTOM READINGS
If you do not connect the meter's probes to a circuit, and set it to DC or
AC VOLTS, the display might show a phantom reading. This is normal. The
meter's high input sensitivity produces a wandering effect. When you
connect the test probes to a circuit, a real measurement appears.
Unquote
Frame 3063 SM places the volt meter and pushes the power on button. At that point the meter probes where not connected to the FTPU but there was still some readings shown on the meter that changed erratically, unlike what one would expect from unconnected probes. That had bugged me for a long time now and now it is explained.
*************
Quote
MEASURING HIGH-VOLTAGE CIRCUITS
When you use the meter to check a high-voltage circuit, do not try to
position both probes at once. Instead, clamp one probe to the neutral or
ground lead of the circuit (usually a bare, green, or white lead in AC
wiring circuits) using insulated Slip-On Alligator Clips (Cat. No.
270-354). Then, probe for voltages with the other probe. This helps
prevent you from accidentally touching a hot wire, because you need
concentrate on only one test probe.
Unquote
That's exactly what he did. He connected the meter negative first to the FTPU wire on the lower ring, then the positive on the top ring.
*********
Another thing that's weird is the above manual is about the only concrete thing that I know SM would have read. If anyone in the USA can pick it up, please PM me and I will give you my office fax number to fax it, or, if you can scan it and pdf it, or zip it, with thanks. Also let me know the item and fax costs and where I can paypal you back ASAP.
@All TPU-dogs:
I've been conducting basic TPU experiment with the coil in the picture:
6wrap iron wire core, terminating as secondary output. 24 wraps single core copper wound around that is the primary (bifilar option not used in this experiment).
I set up a FWBR of 1n4148 on the output charging a 470uF cap. I recorded the charge curve on my DSO and so I could calculate average harvested power.
I expected only minimal trafo efficiency, I tuned for optimum VDC out of the FWBR, at around 7.6MHz sin input I was suprised:
Input signal accross primary was 560mV p2p, output across secondary was 1.2V p2p. A 1:2 trafo ratio from a 24:6 (4:1) turns ratio?
My suprise did not stop there: the iron wire output was able to charge the cap faster than the signal generator (same settings) hooked straight up to the FWBR (no coils in circuit). There seemed approx 10% more available power with the coil trafo in place?
How could coil coupling exceed squirting the signal straight into the FWBR? I have never seen a case like this in previous experiments with highF trafos, usually squirting sig-gen straight into FWBR always outperforms the trafo being tested?
I'm presuming diode losses are less significant at higher p2p, but still I am suprised at greater harvesting ability with the coil being used as opposed to sig-gen straight into FWBR.
My next task is to try and match the natural system resonance of both pri and sec.
I have found that my tektronix FG504 sig-gen with my DSO gives me the ability to do spectrum analysis: I set the gen to linear sweep from 0...40 MHz every 100ms. My scope is set to 10ms/div and triggered by the gen sweep start signal. Then when I scope the FWBR output (no cap in place) I get a nice frequency response graph displayed on my scope with 4MHz per horiz division. I will now change pri wire length and turns until I get both response peaks overlapping. These experiments will start in the AM europe time.
@Yucca, nice ! Is there a power increase or just voltage increase? I get those easily, we want that power to increase. The voltages also have to do with the loading. If your signal gen. is a 50 ohm source impedance, and you hook it up to a low impedance, you have a voltage divider that lowers the voltage at the terminals. Resonance will increase the voltage for sure, which is what you are seeing most likely. Can you draw a diagram or schematic.
@otto, I think people have failed because they don't do what the real SM is saying to do. We all have a tendancy to imagine more than we need to. We like to imagine exotic phenomena, vortexes, etc., but all SM said in the videos is to tune into a magnetic frequency with the loop antenna he has (TPU) It's not a simple one but that's the basic description of the TPU based on definitions alone.
1) this requires first to identify a frequency
2) to tune the device to that frequency
we don't identify anything but rather play with Mosfets and power supplies and focus on switching etc.., I am convinced that this is not where it's at. It might use switching but only for power regulation as an output stage. So as long as we dream up exotic ideas and don't do the basics we'll never have OU, just fancy switching and beautiful PC boards. This is an OU forum, so lets go after OU, let's identify a source and work on harnessing the energy.
EM
Excellent work Yucca, I may start a simple TPU style coil project today! Do you have any pictures of what everything is hooked up too?
Quote from: stprue on October 05, 2009, 11:41:49 AM
Excellent work Yucca, I may start a simple TPU style coil project today! Do you have any pictures of what everything is hooked up too?
What? You mean Grumpy's latest theory fissled out?
Quote from: EMdevices on October 05, 2009, 11:41:09 AM
@otto, I think people have failed because they don't do what the real SM is saying to do. We all have a tendancy to imagine more than we need to. We like to imagine exotic phenomena, vortexes, etc., but all SM said in the videos is to tune into a magnetic frequency with the loop antenna he has (TPU) It's not a simple one but that's the basic description of the TPU based on definitions alone.
@EM,
I know you are an engineer. We can wind coils and tune them till the economic collapse is complte and the lights goes out or some other engineered colamity takes out the Internet but we will not have a TPU because we don't know the the true theory of it's operation. Have I missed
something?
@EMDevices:
I am trying to measure useable power as best I can by charging a cap, see diagram. I'm using the scope on a slow timebase to record the charge curve of the cap.
@Sptrue, this also explains hookup.
edit, if you dont have DSO then you can still do experiment, just use a really big cap on the output like a supercap, and then use a stopwatch to time voltage rise from say 0.1V to 0.5V. Then plug the numbers to achieve average delivered power. Try it with coil and without, my coil seems to give better performance than without.
Thank you Yucca!
I wonder if that is what the transformer / magamp in the center is wired like also.
A small ring at resonance, driving a larger ring at resonance.
The magnet does seem to stick to the centre torriod when he turns it upside down.
@ yucca
You might just have impedance matching happening there but it sure is a good basic and unusual way to use baling wire. Worthy of a lot of tinkering.
It does not seem to fit with the sm info but nothing seems to for the ftpu.
This has never been clarified though I had questions more that once about how the 3 fits this device .
Might be interesting to use a metal tape torriod core like this and see ..
Does anybody else know of a case where the laminations of a tranny are used actively?
@wattsup All digital meters are a bitch when around anything other than dc ..they can be one of the most misleading instruments we use . Our cros also suffer from common grounds which make measuring of some things impossible especially when we want to measure 2 or more individual and unrelated sources.
I have wondered if it was a torroid or a ring magnet! It is odd due to the fact that it is only on the larger TPU
Quote from: MasterPlaster on October 05, 2009, 12:40:46 PM
What? You mean Grumpy's latest theory fissled out?
No, but this thread has gotten "trolled" to death.
@grumpy
What does trolled mean?
Quote from: Grumpy on October 05, 2009, 02:38:03 PM
No, but this thread has gotten "trolled" to death.
@Grumpy
Ignore the trolls. I was quietly listenning and thinking about Hoopers notes.
If you have something, share it. You never know what may result.
@stprue
Image attached
No, my friend. A single version is also on top of an open tpu, the reel/spool type.
And it was in a 17" horseshoe type. The horshoe was in one of the vids and got lost. I saw and did'nt snag it at the time. Besides, that was the old thread days. That thread got crashed.
I have these in my current build. The event crashes the PC. I have wireless USB hub in the mail to ellviate that problem. Then I can run longer to get multiple events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrmL19smxww&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrmL19smxww&feature=channel)
This was the start of the simple tests. Then I was able to test longer and got a continuous stream without the pulsing. This was a standalone operation. I am striving to get back to that to work with constant streams.
Quote from: stprue on October 05, 2009, 01:31:28 PM
I have wondered if it was a torroid or a ring magnet! It is odd due to the fact that it is only on the larger TPU
LOL
Thanks MP that clears things up :D
I was thinking a troll would be someone just here to argue or to sidetrack the issue at hand!
@All
You can call people a troll as much as you like, but if you do not specifically then identify the troll, then you are nothing more then a whimpering chicken. Any time you call someone a troll without saying who, I always feel like I am being attacked or did something wrong and I am sure others feel this also. So the answer for me is simple. No more posting on this thread. Have a good one.
@Yucca
It looks like you have lamp cord for your primary. Have you tried connecting the two conductors so their magnetic fields buck each other?
Your peak output frequency will change.
Your winding pitch appears to be around 45 deg. so your ratio will be about .5:1.
BEP
@MP, knowing SM and his background as a TV technician, audio guy, etc.., when he says to tune into a magnetic frequency this narrows down the functional principles/method of operation quite a bit. It's true we don't know anything exactly but we know things with a probability of being what we think it is. All I'm saying is to listen to him, he stated plainly in the first video that his device is not a perpetual motion or a free energy device or anything like that, it's a receiver of energy from the magnetic field of the earth, and it extracts the energy by being tuned to a frequency around 5 to 6 kHz. I've repeated these concepts a bunch of times so I'm not going to get into it again. People will continue to waste time and energy when they don't keep that in mind. Putting energy into a TPU from a signal generator/power supply, etc.., has already started you on the wrong path, I'm sorry to say, but that's how I feel. I too love to play with switching transistors etc.., but that's not really following what SM said in the videos. And knowing he lived and experimented close to the high voltage power lines that carry quite a bit of current to southern California, the odds go way up that he was extracting energy from them.
EM
EM
You have a good point, but people need to experiment to figure things out. Who knows...just messing around with a TPU like devise might lead to a totally new discovery! ;)
@all
Happy experimenting here's my new toy almost finished!
Quote from: BEP on October 05, 2009, 07:44:31 PM
@Yucca
It looks like you have lamp cord for your primary. Have you tried connecting the two conductors so their magnetic fields buck each other?
Your peak output frequency will change.
Your winding pitch appears to be around 45 deg. so your ratio will be about .5:1.
BEP
Hi BEP, just tried the bucking config (bifilar one end shorted).
Below are frequency response graphs. like a spectrum analyser, Left of scope screen is DC, right is 40MHz (ish) the sweep is linear so about 4MHz per horiz division.
Bucking seems to make the higher frequency peak increase and knocks out the lower.
edit:
sptrue, new coil looking good, happy hunting!
For the more observant amongst us, we know things are going to take a turn
and that is putting it mildly.
Personally I have decided to cut out of the matrix and am planning to start up a self sufficient (permaculture ) farm.
I believe a few amongst us who did work out what is going on decided to quietly walk away. But if one of you is reading this please help me light up
my farm. It would be nice to have enough power to pull some water out of the well using electricity too!
One thing that does seem to make sense is that the enegy that spins this thing ...or allows this thing to spin must also be the energy that is exctracted .
Very far from fizzled!
Quote from: MasterPlaster on October 05, 2009, 12:40:46 PM
What? You mean Grumpy's latest theory fissled out?
thanks for those graphs Yucca, that's exactly what we need more of, on this forum, i.e., more experiments and less theory! (and I'm just as guilty as everyone, but not for long)
EM
Hello all,
@Grumpy
you said that the vibration is just a secondary effect.
Secondary effect of what?
Can you imagine this could be the main, the most important effect?
@All
Im not so clever as a lot of people here are, so maybe somebody could explain me what happens during 1 kick in a coil?
Is this the basics? Yes.
Otto
So the movement is what generates the energy? that would explain the cork , and the bath tub voilence.
so how to get the movement ?
Hello all,
@Mannix
first we have to know what happens with our kicks in the coils:
We have an action - a kick
Then we have an reaction - the collapse
What effect is stronger? The action or reaction?
The movement is not a problem.
Otto
Quote from: Yucca on October 05, 2009, 08:52:21 PM
Hi BEP, just tried the bucking config (bifilar one end shorted).
Below are frequency response graphs. like a spectrum analyser, Left of scope screen is DC, right is 40MHz (ish) the sweep is linear so about 4MHz per horiz division.
Bucking seems to make the higher frequency peak increase and knocks out the lower.
Hmmm....
Exactly the opposite result from what I have seen...
My coil wasn't exactly like yours. It looked like the small toroid on the FTPU and LTPU. The primary reversed wind direction half way around. The secondary was 30 turns of enamled garden wire.
Quote from: Mannix on October 06, 2009, 12:36:42 AM
So the movement is what generates the energy? that would explain the cork , and the bath tub voilence.
so how to get the movement ?
If you pass current through a wire that is already in a magnetic field that wire will move.
If you move a wire within a magnetic field a current will be induced in that wire.
Quote from: BEP on October 06, 2009, 07:19:11 AM
If you pass current through a wire that is already in a magnetic field that wire will move.
If you move a wire within a magnetic field a current will be induced in that wire.
my suspect if you pass a step pulses (or train wave that have fast "group velocity") in the wire you align the spin in the wire and you have gyromagnetic effect "Barnet effect" or "Einsten De Haas effect"
Quote from: otto on October 05, 2009, 11:48:40 PM
Hello all,
@Grumpy
you said that the vibration is just a secondary effect.
Secondary effect of what?
Can you imagine this could be the main, the most important effect?
@All
Im not so clever as a lot of people here are, so maybe somebody could explain me what happens during 1 kick in a coil?
Is this the basics? Yes.
Otto
The "energy" - call it longitudinal, companion, aether flow, any term - has "momentum". So, the vibration is a secondary effect of the "energy" propagating (moving). This momentum is somehow related to the interaction of the fields that cause the "energy" to manifest.
In the "bathtub experiment", I can only assume that there were a series of explosions as the TPU tried to compress or expand the water. When water is used in capacitors, after a short time it will dump all of the energy spontaniously. This is why it can be used in pulse capacitors, but only if you follow the paramaters.
Cork is elastic.
Quote from: otto on October 06, 2009, 12:52:35 AM
Hello all,
@Mannix
first we have to know what happens with our kicks in the coils:
We have an action - a kick
Then we have an reaction - the collapse
What effect is stronger? The action or reaction?
The movement is not a problem.
Otto
When exploding wires, the compressive force is thought to be much stronger and thick pipes have been exploded with a negative pulse into a small wire inside the pipe. The positive pulse causes an expansion and is not this powerful, in this case.
When you first "kick" a coil, all of the parameters of the system have to adjust. This is not instantanious and takes intervals of time. When you place 10kv across a piece of coax, it take a few seconds for it to "adjust", and it makes a cracking sound. Same thing when you discharge it.
Do doorknobs and plates charge/discharge faster? Yes. Replacing coax with a tube inside a tube of the same length will might work better than coax, but still maintain the reflection to turn off the switch.
When you first "kick" a coil with low self-capacitance, high self-induction, and no ferromagnetic material for the energy to perform work on, a shockwave is created in the space around the coil by the sudden change in polarization. I always thought that the "mass" connection to this was bullshit, and that surface area was the real reason, but now I believe it is the mass. It is the "mass" adjusting that creates the shockwave. The wire does not explode because it wants to, it explodes because it has to.
One large kick can ruin your day, but one small kick doesn't do much. However, the system takes time to adjust, so consecutive kicks can accumulate. You can read about a similar effect on transmission lines in many of Steinmetz's lectures. Basically, if you add energy to a system faster than it dissipates, then the energy accumulates.
Put a plastic plate or sheet over a coil while you pulse it and then touch the plastic. There is no arc or spark going through the plastic but it will hurt like hell to touch it even if it is 6mm thick.
Hello all,
@Grumpy
I have a vibration but NOT a moving of any "energy" because I dont have a TPU connected to my little transformer.
Otto
Quote from: otto on October 06, 2009, 09:15:10 AM
Hello all,
@Grumpy
I have a vibration but NOT a moving of any "energy" because I dont have a TPU connected to my little transformer.
Otto
but the TPU is running? or it was?
@wings
I even dont have a complete TPU and its for the moment NOT important!
@All
the so called BEMF or how ever you want to call it is important. Without this effect you CANT have a working TPU.
Or maybe you want to say me that we ONLY have to spin.....to use exact frequencies....
In this way we thought the last 3? years. Any TPUs finished?
NO!! Of course not.
First is the vibration and then all the rest.
Otto
Quote from: otto on October 06, 2009, 09:15:10 AM
Hello all,
@Grumpy
I have a vibration but NOT a moving of any "energy" because I dont have a TPU connected to my little transformer.
Otto
vibration is easy - now make it go in one direction
What does BEMF have to do with it?
Some TPU-like devices have been finished, but did not work so well. Very dangerous.
@Grumpy
Unfissling!
You revived this thread by re-introducing the Spherics line of thought but you see to be drifting away from it? I believe he has the most out of the box proposal. After all, a magnetic field is a 3 dimentional entity ( may be more ).
@Grumpy
BEMF = vibration
Otto
Quote from: MasterPlaster on October 06, 2009, 10:10:46 AM
@Grumpy
Unfissling!
You revived this thread by re-introducing the Spherics line of thought but you see to be drifting away from it? I believe he has the most out of the box proposal. After all, a magnetic field is a 3 dimentional entity ( may be more ).
How am I drifting away fom it? Vibration is not my idea.
===========================================
Quote from: otto on October 06, 2009, 10:31:43 AM
@Grumpy
BEMF = vibration
Otto
BEMF, is a mirror reflection.
QuoteSomeone mentioned the Alberto Molina-Martinez device as being the same (as the TPU). It would appear at a casual glancing at the patent to be chock full to the brim with iron/steel and other magnetic materials which I have said ad nausium is a no-no. Also the 3 phase pickup coils use the same coil structure and location as the 3 phase generating coils. As soon as the pickup coils are induced they will reflect a pattern in the ether back on the generating coils and any advantage will be lost. There are also no pulses timed to cause an overlap of ether waves in the proximity of the pickup coil nor is there any directional biasing.
The third coil of a Tesla Magnifier is not inductively coupled to the first two coils.
In respect to companion wave and rotation:
If you had a shockwave in a ring then this would seem to appy.
http://www.bibhasde.com/veipaper.pdf
--giantkiller.
Hello all,
@Grumpy
Im sorry to say but the BEMF has NOTHING to do with a mirrored reflection!
1. the BEMF signals are much stronger
2. the BEMF signals look totally different, like you fire a cap into the coils
3. the BEMF signals are of a totally different frequency
It has to be clear that Im talking about my coils.
Otto
@otto
I just read through your TPU pdf. Really great work! Are you still using the mobius type design? It seemed like you were making some great progress! Do you have any updates for us? I'm just getting into TPU stuff now after spending some significant time working with JT's. Do you know where Bruce is? It's been some time since his last post!
@stprue
the ECD was fine but we are "growing", I hope at least.
I was for months working on a input circuit, to say it in this way.
Yes, this progress is ......more tomorrow to read in a new thread.
Otto
Quote from: otto on October 06, 2009, 12:50:31 PM
Hello all,
@Grumpy
Im sorry to say but the BEMF has NOTHING to do with a mirrored reflection!
1. the BEMF signals are much stronger
2. the BEMF signals look totally different, like you fire a cap into the coils
3. the BEMF signals are of a totally different frequency
It has to be clear that Im talking about my coils.
Otto
When you say "BEMF", what are you talking about?
Is it when a coil is induced by another or when the magnetic field of a coil collapses?
I am refering to when a coil is induced by another.
Rather than arguing about things are not important, we should be trying to figure out how to create the shockwave, and why it is created.
Do electrons or "moving charges" radiate energy when they are forced to slow down in a medium? Wouldn't their momentum decrease when they radiate this energy? Momentum is "mass in motion", and if companion waves (or longitudinal if you prefer) have momentum, will they radiate when slowed? If so, what do they radiate?
mea culpa grumpy
but i still think that this one belong here as a "basic"
QuoteIn a
current of shorter wavelength the rates of change will be steeper. When the two
currents react on each other the resultant complex will contain a wave in which
there is an extremely steep rate of change, and for the briefest instant currents
may move at a tremendous rate, at the rate of millions of horsepower.
This condition acts as a trigger which may cause the total energy of the
powerful longer wave to be discharged in an infinitesmally small interval of time
and at a proportionately tremendously great rate of energy movement which cannot
confine itself to the metal circuit and is released into surrounding space with
inconceivable violence.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4314-cop-17-heater-rosemary-ainslie-71.html#post65325
I'm not talking about fireballs or ball lightning.
Rosemarie has her own thread - keep all of that over there.
How do you think shockwave is produced ?
You apply a pulse to a control coil wrapped around a biased copper wire. The field on the wire will transmit the change down the wire.
Or
You apply a 2 pulse protocol to a control coil wrapped around a steel wire.
You apply a 2 pulse protocol to a control coil wrapped around an iron wire.
You apply a 2 pulse protocol to a wire. The delay between the 2 pulses is set to hit the wave of the first pulse before 100% declination. The delay is matched to the secondary object. Iron is slower than steel is slower than copper. So the delay in a copper based pulse protocol will the shortest or fastest.
As the first field collapses the next field impacts it. These all work at 90 degree coupling.
Or is this test for some one else?
How does Otto show this? A wire wrapped around itself.
Pretty simple field explanation.
--giantklller.
Quote from: forest on October 06, 2009, 05:47:36 PM
How do you think shockwave is produced ?
It is always the basic questions that get to the root of things, if you can find an answer.
Until very recently, I thought that the shockwave was some sort of polarization current, moving charges without carriers. This is no longer my line of thinking.
I have reverted back to the most basic explanation, which I don't fully understand. 'It is a response from the copper interacting with the medium around the copper."
Yes, this is as clear as mud.
It is longitudinal and longitudinal waves are not polarized. There is some sort of density change around the wire, but I do not know if the wire's mass actually changes or not. Things vibrate and may even move, but this is not definitive. The front of a shockwave will be highly compressed and after this it is rarefacted (expanded). So, it may be that this works like a peristaltic pump at a molecular level.
Quote from: Grumpy on October 06, 2009, 01:49:18 PM
Rather than arguing about things are not important, we should be trying to figure out how to create the shockwave, and why it is created.
Do electrons or "moving charges" radiate energy when they are forced to slow down in a medium? Wouldn't their momentum decrease when they radiate this energy? Momentum is "mass in motion", and if companion waves (or longitudinal if you prefer) have momentum, will they radiate when slowed? If so, what do they radiate?
Photon scattering been going on for a lot of time Not for a long time just making alot of time. Very natural occurence. Now if they scoot instead of scatter you get current and sometimes mass. Mass is made up of a whole shitload of photons running together. Can an electric field act as a catalyst whereby atoms convert the energy stored in the angular momentum of it's electrons into photon emission. Molecules are a better absorber of photon packets because they're bigger. Where a field can invade the space between the electron orbitals and the neucleus. A field can do no work but it can effect some work.
There exists between an electron in a 1s orbital and the neucleus 27volts. If we can get a change in this field potential the electron is gonna either slow down or get cut loose. This has to happen fast or the neucleus is going to start to roll and drag the electrons with it. Normal induction will commence. It is hard to penetrate this space if there is a large amount of charged mass moving around all over the place. That's why a double pulse makes sense. One to kinda get everything in line then the second pulse to cut things loose. Saw tooth wave. Charge up the field then abruptly issue a change in the same field.
Quote from: rotaryfcg on October 06, 2009, 02:41:05 PM
mea culpa grumpy
but i still think that this one belong here as a "basic"
I concede.
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Quote from: sparks on October 06, 2009, 08:35:28 PM
Photon scattering been going on for a lot of time Not for a long time just making alot of time. Very natural occurence. Now if they scoot instead of scatter you get current and sometimes mass. Mass is made up of a whole shitload of photons running together. Can an electric field act as a catalyst whereby atoms convert the energy stored in the angular momentum of it's electrons into photon emission. Molecules are a better absorber of photon packets because they're bigger. Where a field can invade the space between the electron orbitals and the neucleus. A field can do no work but it can effect some work.
We don't really know how things work. What is mass?
How it all works may only matter to physicist.
A better question to ask, is how to create and what to do with it.
Darkspeed's thread is adressing this, so it's time to move over there.
Hello all,
@Grumpy
yes 2 coils.
Otto
Quote from: otto on October 06, 2009, 11:45:05 PM
Hello all,
@Grumpy
yes 2 coils.
Otto
That depends on what you are doing.
@Grumpy
Im tuning into strongest possible collapses.
Otto
Quote from: otto on October 07, 2009, 08:14:30 AM
@Grumpy
Im tuning into strongest possible collapses.
Otto
Everyone else tunes for the strongest possible rise.
Are your coils heating up?
You pulser / coil configuration looks like the "Steinmetz Coil" as shown by Eric Dollard in his book "Condensed Intro to Tesla Transformers" - except he shows positive pulse and uses the magnetic field collapse to excite a magnifier coil.
This requires a large coil for maximum EMF when the field collapses and you apply this to the coil you want to excite. Thjs method is not stepped up with a transformer.
Tesla's method was to discharge a capacitor to produce a large magneto-motive force, MMF, stepped up through an air-core transformer to become an EMF, and this large EMF is used to excite the magnifier coil.
Glad to see you are making progress.
@Grumpy,
Im doing tis all for all of us but Im still hiding the most important information because I want to activate the people to get dirty fingers. Of course when I see enough replications I will post this informacion. Or, hopefully, the people could discover something very nice.
I said that Im tuning to the strongest possible vibration but its wrong of course. There is something else but as mentioned, its not the time to give this information.
You cant touch my coils. They are overheated but hmmm....no trouble with them!! They work.
I have builded my coils to get a high voltage but yes, I have a high voltage + the vibrations.
Yes, Im doing the same. The collapses are veeeeery fast, like a very big cap is fired into the coils. A totally different signal the the original pulsed signal in the primary.
Yes, its really a progress but there are a lot of problems: shielding the oscillators, building good oscillators...then connecting this to a TPU....
But I was always an optimistic guy. The days are soooo short..
Otto
Do you see any effect in the air ?
The fastest pulse I can generate into 50 Ohm is shown below. Maybe it is sharper and my scope is smoothing it? this is as fast as I can perceive with my equipment. Maybe it would be nice if two of these pulses could somehow crash in a controlled manner as they each pass in a longish bifilar coil?
Quote from: otto on October 07, 2009, 08:57:14 AM
@Grumpy,
Im doing tis all for all of us but Im still hiding the most important information because I want to activate the people to get dirty fingers. Of course when I see enough replications I will post this informacion. Or, hopefully, the people could discover something very nice.
I said that Im tuning to the strongest possible vibration but its wrong of course. There is something else but as mentioned, its not the time to give this information.
You cant touch my coils. They are overheated but hmmm....no trouble with them!! They work.
I have builded my coils to get a high voltage but yes, I have a high voltage + the vibrations.
Yes, Im doing the same. The collapses are veeeeery fast, like a very big cap is fired into the coils. A totally different signal the the original pulsed signal in the primary.
Yes, its really a progress but there are a lot of problems: shielding the oscillators, building good oscillators...then connecting this to a TPU....
But I was always an optimistic guy. The days are soooo short..
Otto
No one is showing all of their cards. Only the ones they can give away.
I am using very little current, positive pulses , HV, and you can not touch the coils. They are not hot or warm.
It sounds like we are each using an opposite approach.
Are the coils connected to the MOSFETs wrapped around the collector?
How are your coils arranged?
@Yucca,
Remove the 50ohm and fire a 2nd pulse at a certain delay much shorter than your freq obviously.
Yes thats right! No resistance. You will see very little amperage due to cancellation before conduction. This has been done by a number of us here. Why you can even use a short, straight piece of wire! This creates the shock wave. The pulsing protocol is faster than the copper conduction or current dispersion into the conductor. Houston, we have wave! On this USB based system it crashes the controller app on the pc. Going to wireless USB hub to allevitate this.
That is why the JDO controller and SSR boards have been so important, although not neccesary if you have the right, expensive equipment.
Can anyone beat a Full house?! There are still more cards in the deck to be dealt.
--giantkiller.
Quote from: giantkiller on October 07, 2009, 05:34:16 PM
@Yucca,
Remove the 50ohm and fire a 2nd pulse at a certain delay much shorter than your freq obviously.
Yes thats right! No resistance. You will see very little amperage due to cancellation before conduction. This has been done by a number of us here. Why you can even use a short, straight piece of wire! This creates the shock wave. The pulsing protocol is faster than the copper conduction or current dispersion into the conductor. Houston, we have wave! On this USB based system it crashes the controller app on the pc. Going to wireless USB hub to allevitate this.
That is why the JDO controller and SSR boards have been so important, although not neccesary if you have the right, expensive equipment.
Can anyone beat a Full house?! There are still more cards in the deck to be dealt.
--giantkiller.
Thanks for the info GK, appreciate it!
I will try and make a second delayed pulse derived from the signal of the first. Then I can change the freq and change the delay seperately.
Unbelievable that your'e producing enough hash to crash your USB interface from these VERY short pulses! Sounds like you have excess energy radiating ready to be mopped up somehow. The only time I've seen my usb keyboard and mouse go down was with a 10W spark fired aircoil.
I think I can cover freq generation and delay stage, are there any particular SSR switches you can recommend for the job?
Yucca.
@Yucca,
Depending on your setup, check the current draw for low milliamps. If you are using a digimeter and see it display 1 or -1 then things have started to build. Just let it go to see if you get a scope full of hash or Mghz signal, or your Pc hangs.
Try this also: If your signal line is not shielded then take about 6" 26awg and wrap 20 twenty turns(arbitrary) around the clock/pulse signal line and lay a portion of it parallel to the same line. We can guarantee coupling in both directions. Put a scope on the clock line and watch it. If you have an analog scope or isolated probes then good. You'll last a little while longer. 8-) You should see the signal become unclean at the event. Might be too fast for your scope. The clock line antenna can act as an injected drift or signal build. This could or could not serve as a firewall. This could depend on signal eclipsing, total mass, diameter of all the wiring. The results can vary. I should state this. We are using submarines to explore space! Hope this makes sense.
Also, I have no Iron in the build but the 15" loop is quite the transmitter. My thinking is you can use a smaller circumference with iron and larger circumference with no iron.
I know my builds get complicated and I need to simplify a little. Without correct shielding or test approaches then the event can happen at any time in any capable build. The results can be short term most of the time.
In case it hasn't become aware to anyone. I have been chasing the event continuously over time. What I realize is this event whether short or long term is inescapable. Most of my builds have gotten this thing. My thinking is this is the thing to capture. I just wanted to see how many different situations I could setup to hammer on this issue. I saw that the event was and maybe is illusive to some. Alot of our coils in inventory have potential. If we had the tools for that side of the energy fence we could make better progress. Gotta knock the mystery out of this.
Back to the stun gun topic:
The stungun produces this effect though it is quite long and wild. My thinking here is by sending this shockwave through long circular inductors to charge caps we can effectively create an aperture for an energy sucking attenna. This has been mentioned by others before.
If you get a headache then stop. The negative effects can last for months. >:(
@GK, Thanks for the info. Submarine hulls make the most robust spacecraft. For now I will hold off on stungun, for fear of frying my bench.
Tonight I just played with Ottos wire and coil test. I had quite interesting results:
12V auto bulb, switching 6V using IRF730.
CH1 1 is output from FET driver.
CH2 is the FET drain where the coil and the wire meet.
CH2 was very chaotic with runs of order in it. To try and see order I set trigger to CH2 and turned it up to show only the highest magnitude spikes, then I tweaked duration and period until I was able to increase trigger more, this way I found optimum.
As I tweaked pulse duration and period I was able to observe the spike grow until I saw max when the spike was half way between gate pulses. It was very twitchy to find optimum pulling the period just slightly dropped the amplitude lots.
Without tweaking trigger I would not have been able to tune because as I say the spike levels and makeup fluctuate wildly. Even when tuned for max if you just trigger off the gate signal the drain signal is crazy.
Around the optimum point my PSU digimeters went nuts and a small USB player a couple of meters away intermitently lost USB interface. At optimum the bulb increased slightly in brightness. The FET was barely warm. I'll be playing more with this.