Poll
Question:
Do you think the American economy will ever improve?
Option 1: Yes, definitely
Option 2: Possibly, in the long run
Option 3: No, it will worsen
Option 4: Undecided
@all
Even if this site below is religiously oriented, they actually do have a point:
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=6392.4873.0.0
Also:
http://dailyreckoning.com/yet-another-jobs-dilemma/
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=6097.4500.0.0
I tend to ignore the religious aspect because I don't believe in their religion and I didn't cause the economic mess this country is in. I'm not taking personal responsibility for it. I've never had the money for even one credit card.
But, since I'm here on this planet, I have to put up with the effects of someone else's decision---as bad as the looks to me.
What to do about it? I'm just waiting. I was living on the streets for almost 1 1/2 yrs, and I got by on luck alone. If I deserve to live, I will. If I don't, I won't.
The die is cast. Millions will go the relatives(who are as bad off), go to social services(overwhelmed) or starve(probable). I'm already in a homeless shelter until it closes from lack of money(likely). Then I'll take my place with everyone else.
Whatever ever I do, it's my decision, but I'm not afraid. I got over that on the streets.
Good luck to me and you. We'll all probably need it.
--Lee
Re-edit:
I'm open to discussion, but the Internet has other references to this problem besides the one above. Diligent research should uncover them. Think I'm wrong in this prediction? "Wait and see", as the saying goes.
In the U.S. we have had since the Great Depression to learn from our mistakes.Pity we didn't though.Instead we convinced the whole world to become tied into the mess.Now the whole world will have the opportunity to learn this lesson with us.So what's the lesson we should have learned by now?"Money is the mechanism by which resources are squandered from the earth,man is robbed of his lifetime pursuant to.The phrase "let them eat cake" comes to mind in that the wealthy are saying "let them have paper".This is the real lesson.But if you want to know what you will end up thinking i think it will go something like ..."oh wise and great wizards of oz,thank you for solving our problems for us,now since you are so great and all knowing,let me grant my trust to you for other aspects and a more thorough control of my life...etc,etc...".
@christo4_99
You're right. I'd say we've got a few week left until the American public realizes this scenario can't go on. Then the "defecation will hit the airscoop".
--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok said:
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@all
Even if this site below is religiously oriented, they actually do have a point:
The site I gave in the initial post was religious in viewpoint. Here's another slant without the religion and with economics factored in instead:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/08/dismal-unemployment-situation-in-chart.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/17/15-million-to-exhaust-une_n_238281.html
and, this is just for California:
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/08/weekly-unemployment-claims-increase_20.html
When the daily Good Morning America news show makes a feature presentation on this subject, it'll be right there in front of everyone.
The dam will break. If they don't, people will begin talking to friends, neighbors and relatives until it becomes clear to all what's going on.
The dam will still break eventually.Sooner or later, the effect is the same.
--Lee
this is the current trend on a national rate and not by state.
Unemployment rate percentages over the years.
it is going back down as of now.
It may be better to go back to our primitive migratory responses and move to states that have more work available. a lot of people tend to stick with one area now a days and lose out on the benefits of migration.
Jerry ;)
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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It may be better to go back to our primitive migratory responses and move to states that have more work available. a lot of people tend to stick with one area now a days and lose out on the benefits of migration.
Hi Jerry,
Ordinarily, you'd be right. This isn't an *ordinary* situation, however. Only---maybe---the Upper Plains states have fairly low unemployment rates nowadays. Most people can't go anywhere to escape this problem. I did it in Houston in 1983, but not today. It's bad everywhere, really.
At least I live in CA now. Not as many guns here as in AZ or NV.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 04, 2009, 11:38:31 AM
onthecuttingedge2005 said:Hi Jerry,
Ordinarily, you'd be right. This isn't an *ordinary* situation, however. Only---maybe---the Upper Plains states have fairly low unemployment rates nowadays. Most people can't go anywhere to escape this problem. I did it in Houston in 1983, but not today. It's bad everywhere, really.
At least I live in CA now. Not as many guns here as in AZ or NV.
--Lee
Hi Lee.
I live in the High Sierra's 50 miles from any big town and 100 miles from any big city.
the only real jobs here are through public works, working for the county.
apply to public works as a floater, a floater fills in for everyones days off, it could lead to a full time job which carries good benefits and they treat you well if your easy to get a long with.
you would have to pass a drug test and a physical.
a public works floater is almost a guaranteed position because it is a position nobody wants but does pay good and you get to work different positions at different locations at different times and that could lead to some good experiences.
good luck.
Jerry ;)
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Hi Lee.
I live in the High Sierra's 50 miles from any big town and 100 miles from any big city. ...
Hi Jerry,
Very good! You have an advantage over the average city dweller like me. People "out in the sticks" need to be more aware of their environment, rather like the mountain men in olden days. If you have a rifle, keep it clean and have enough ammo on hand. I'm a Veteran and I know this is important.
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...the only real jobs here are through public works, working for the county.
That's okay, as long as the money lasts. It may not last a lot longer. Barter is becoming a more popular option in doing business these days.
--Lee
If you are really smart you can master the new car geet and install it for people .
People need to invent their own jobs and stop being so pathetic .
http://www.geet.nl/news.php
dankie said:
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If you are really smart you can master the new car geet and install it for people.
Eventually, 3-4 million people who
were spending money, will
stop doing that after their unemployment benefits run out. This will *snowball* into a 10X bigger trickle-down effect that snowballs even bigger after that.
Money? It's running out and there won't be any in the future. The military/political corporate machinery
may try and keep things going on be declaring WWIII on the Muslims.
Just like in WWII.
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People need to invent their own jobs and stop being so pathetic .
My former business associate tried to do that honestly, and he was treated like crap! The people he was talking to weren't going to give him an even break. They wanted what he had, even if he was an expert. The whole world is like this, which is why I never participated in the greedy games people like to play.
I'm not so stupid as to try and fight an uphill battle against the entrenched possessive fear a lot of people have. Doesn't do any good. They don't want to change.
--Lee
out of 50 states as a whole the unemployement rate is only 9.4%, this is not enough to collapse a nation, you would have to approach about 25% nation wide unemployement to do any real damage.
now that doesn't mean your 'county or state' won't collapse. just not the nation.
there is still a 90.6% employement rate in the nation as a whole, there is still way to much infrastructure for this very huge enonomy to collapse, the inflation isn't very high either and it to is reversing.
the country got hit hard I can grant you that but it won't do enough damage to keep the U.S from ever getting back off its knees.
and as soon as the wars stop the economy will pick up just like after all the other wars.
here is the current inflation rates;
Jerry :)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 04, 2009, 06:51:51 PM
Money? It's running out and there won't be any in the future. The military/political corporate machinery may try and keep things going on be declaring WWIII on the Muslims.
--Lee
Hi Lee.
I really think this is a bad statement saying a war on Muslims, America is not at war with Muslims, it is at war with radical terrorists against governments.
it just so happens that most are Muslim but that has nothing to do with the war.
we in the United States have plenty of Muslims blended with our society and I don't see any police or military locking them up because their Muslim, we are not at war with Muslims?
most Muslims are good people just like the rest of us, they are just getting a bad name because of radicals trying to conquer their governments and take rule as Muslim radicals and probably force dictatorship into the country by an Iron Fist.
we have a very nice blend of multi-culture and diversity in this country.
there will always be criminals in any race or creed but what can one do to eliminate the crime? The Prisons are full. build more prisons?
Jerry :)
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BBC doesn't know squat about America, I live here, I should know better than the BBC.
British Broadcast belongs with the rest of the foreign media.
more fear mongering, fear mongering is a tactic, well BBC, if America collapses then you got a whole lot of crap to deal with yourself, all those terrorist that want to change your little BBC country to an 'Iron fist' Muslim world ruled by radical muslim shia law. America is the only one whose going to save your butt. pull your head out of your arse!
or are you just making good conversation!?
Babylon area was given the confusion of language by God but was also given the confusion of religion for the whole of the world! why is that! I wonder!
Jerry :)
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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...out of 50 states as a whole the unemployement rate is only 9.4%, this is not enough to collapse a nation, you would have to approach about 25% nation wide unemployement to do any real damage. ...
Hi jerry,
You're correct in your exact opinion: The official national unemployment rate is right at 9.7%(about 23-26 year high).
But nobody is being told: The unofficial, noncompetitive job seeker, who quit looking for work, isn't being counted. Really. I my state(Calif.), the official rate is about 11-11.5% that might make the unofficial rate at nearly 25%.
The favorable exchange rate for the dollar and the tourist industry in San Francisco is saving the state---temporarily. Otherwise businesses are closing regularly. I see it several times a week on the train into downtown on the main streets.
To say, "It doesn't look good for the future", is a guarded understatement. There are subtle, hidden problems that can become very, very! serious in due course.
--Lee
The United States will not fall. it will not collapse, it will continue to be the most prosperous nation in the world.
the USA has its up and downs like any other country, but most countries feels it more than the USA ever will.
sure, I would like a Bartar system, but the 'whole world' will not change to it and makes it worthless as a whole economy trade. see, we are not dealing with just America on the bartar scale, we are dealing with the whole world who uses money as trade period.
what power can a Government have with Bartar? we as a human race have always been ruled by a leader as colonist as the species we are.
we are Humans, we are ruled by a colonist Queen or King(President or Emperor), it is what our species does.
if you want to get rid of that human colonist rulership then you might as well sign off God while you're at it. won't happen.
Jerry ;)
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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The United States will not fall. it will not collapse, it will continue to be the most prosperous nation in the world.
The fall of the Roman Empire didn't happen? The Egyptian Empire? The Mayans? No society lasts forever and neither will this one.
The Book of Revelations? The earth will be consumed by fire, the Bible says. Did you see the movie,
The Knowing? The earth was cooked by heat when the sun went nova. Only a boy and his sister were saved.
My point is: It's ending shortly. People will stop spending money when they don't have any to spend. It begins with the lack of continued employment benefits. The snowball effect alone should rattle everyone's nerves in the future.
And! I'll leave alone the possibility of social/civil unrest. That's a possibility, but it's in the minds of individuals to decide to do that.
I'm not afraid. I got over that on the streets. However, some people may be forced to deal with their fears and lack of self sufficiency in the future. What they do about that is also their decision.
--Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiagCIF6Ejw it's ridiculous that they describe all the new money as taxpayer money but the taxpayer doesn't get a share in the bank.It's counterproductive(for the bank) for the average joe to live well.That's the bottom line.A little bit of social unrest is a small price to pay to get the rat trained to run faster on the treadmill in the long run.
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It's counterproductive(for the bank) for the average joe to live well.That's the bottom line.
What it is, is that there an economic incentive for some businessmen to maintain the status quo. That means more bad news to the economy. They're trying to keep the money going as long as possible. For that reason, their karma is going to be heavy.
To put it lightly!Now, I have specific answers to some posts above, but I'll get to them when I can.
--Lee
Quote from: lltfdaniel1 on September 04, 2009, 09:12:08 PM
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With respect to Reply #12, this thread:
The YouTube video clip is at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9P3x9YINTg
This is an advertisement for a British TV show to be aired shortly.
This is merely their opinion. However, keep in mind the British economy is just as mired in the recession as ours. What happens to us, happens to them---and they know it. They're probably not happy about it, either.
If social unrest is coming, we will all experience it to some extent. The idea, I think, is to try and "keep your head down" and "lay low" as much as possible. I sure will.
--Lee
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiagCIF6Ejw it's ridiculous that they describe all the new money as taxpayer money but the taxpayer doesn't get a share in the bank.It's counterproductive(for the bank) for the average joe to live well.
I was able to see part of the clip. I just didn't see whether Bill Moyers guest was able to determine whether or not there was a way out of this mess. Doubtful, in my opinion. Too much money and too much greed.
When people get fed up with the political games that have been played for many,
many! years, there'll be hell to pay.
There is no good answer to this as long as it's "business as usual."
I have my eye on the streets, since I used to live there. People are becoming more and more angry at their lack of power over a deteriorating situation in this country. Don't tell me I'm a fear monger! I'm still alive because I've been able to see a bad situation and personally do
something---whatever that was---to mitigate it. In this case, as on the streets, I'll rely on my good luck. I don't have the power to do anything else. The economy won't cure itself on my say so. Until something better happens, luck is all I have.
Later Re-edit:I did see more of the clip. What Moyer's guest proposes is essentially more of the same. And, I expect his proposal will be met with resistance. People are doing what they did before the Stock Crash of '29 and they're doing it with more money that they're highly dependent on. There is no good answer to this. People can finally lose confidence in the economy---especially the Chinese who bought many U.S. assets---and then this'll all act like a house of cards.
--Lee
Onthecuttingedge2005,
You are the only one who appears to understand the economy of the US rather odd that other people do not see it been proven time and time again the logistics of it all...
All the rest of folks out there stop fear mongering in a feeble attempt to further push the economy into the abyss as some would like it...
This is not going to happen people have been at this for nearly a year and all the economy does is rebound more and more since the start 544,000 jobs were added to the health care industry! And my job in the entertainment industry has been the busiest it has ever been since the start of the company we had to lease space just to run two operations and we hired approximately 10 new employees that were only supposed to be temp help now they are full time!
Truth is rough I know of people who do have it a bit worse then I sure but there time has been long coming ... For one you can only sell so many lawn mowers or vehicles before you wind up with way more product then demand once you get so big you start leaving too much money in wait and wind up taking a loss. Just like the stock market they were depending on being able to sell x amount of items as if they just expect there never to be a drop in sales... This is a very risky business model and I suggest no one follows this model... Instead focus on keeping a core crew and making higher quality products in lower numbers this takes more time but in the end you will survive to see another day while others will fall off.
GM is a prime example you have how many auto manufactures out there eventually they will produce good products of interest to the consumer and your sales will be down nothing that should not be expected but they never planned for this turn of events and wound up bankrupt as Toyota and Fords sales increased there sales numbers dropped drastically it was determined to happen at some point or another why they did not plan for this event is a crucial question.
Finally at the end of the day we all have to have a job make money and live so no matter how much debt the number says we are there will always be work and always be a way it may not be the easy life or job that you are used to but nothing defined as "Complete Collapse" of the financial sector it will not happen I will bet tons of money on that!
-infringer-
infringer said:
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You are the only one who appears to understand the economy of the US rather odd that other people do not see it been proven time and time again the logistics of it all...
...All the rest of folks out there stop fear mongering in a feeble attempt to further push the economy into the abyss as some would like it...
...This is not going to happen people have been at this for nearly a year and all the economy does is rebound more and more since the start 544,000 jobs were added to the health care industry! ...
@infringer
I'll only address the comments above. Take a look at this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/speakerpelosi/3333412448/
The rate of employment is still rising. When it reaches 10%, the unofficial, real, rate should be about 20-25%. And now prime mortgages are becoming a problem to lending banks.
But, to focus on you assertion that jobs are being created, yes they are, but not enough of them. Have a look at this:
http://vdare.com/roberts/060507_economy.htm
4.4 million jobs were lost in the past 14 months and the Europeans and Asians may be about as bad off. They need to make up the slack in business the Americans aren't spending on, or the feedback effect of declining infrastructure could continue for awhile longer.
Then, as in the opening post of this thread, the impending cutoff of benefits money for the unemployed is going to make a bad problem worse. No immediate end in sight.
--Lee
In a recession if you have a job,you keep it.Most people had jobs during the great depression,but the 18% who did not represented millions of people who lived in misery.The only thing that brought us out of the great depression was WW11,not the USA government.Not the US congress.triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 08, 2009, 11:52:17 PM
In a recession if you have a job,you keep it.Most people had jobs during the great depression,but the 18% who did not represented millions of people who lived in misery.The only thing that brought us out of the great depression was WW11,not the USA government.Not the US congress.triffid
Historians would say you're right, 70-80 years after the fact, in hindsight. The Gov't
at that time had to borrow billions in today's dollars, but they did.
If Osama bin Ladin becomes emboldened by our apparent lack of financial resources to fund the War on Terrorism, Obama
may declare WWIII on Muslim
extremists. The extremists are sociopaths who don't care about anything but what they want, e.g., to kill us.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 09, 2009, 11:08:13 AM
The extremists are sociopaths who don't care about anything but what they want, e.g., to kill us.
--Lee
Extremists are the problem, not just extremists with religious zeal.
Quote from: jadaro2600 on September 10, 2009, 07:27:46 PM
Extremists are the problem, not just extremists with religious zeal.
That's what I meant. "Extremists are the problem," as you said. Individuals who take their personal desires and their mental wreckage and foist it on others---sometimes by force---because they want to. Hitler and bin Ladin were fired in the same mold.
Merely having extremist opinions on a subject, that doesn't affect others, is okay. It doesn't matter how extreme. One can always keep it to oneself. Everyone has an opinion, including me.
--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok said:
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...Then, as in the opening post of this thread, the impending cutoff of benefits money for the unemployed is going to make a bad problem worse. No immediate end in sight.
NOTE:New development:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=131832675980
This, I hope, is a permanently archived article. The whole financial industry is still poised to burst an expanding bubble is rising slowly now. As I said above, "No immediate end in sight."
Wall St. never has learned that greed is its own punishment.
--Lee
Consider the nature of condensation. If one had no other means of determining whether or not their was humidity, then one could easily tell by how much condensation forms on the outside of something cold over a period of time.
Now, the idea is that by looking at the proverbial condensation on the market and value of money over time: the markets are full of hot wet air, with lots of extra junk thrown in to make everyone happy.
I like to think of Novelty Theory when thinking about the market; take away all the novelty items and you get to the core of the market. These are where the bottom line is, all else is relevant but it's just as irrelevant. Considering the massive amounts of JUNK coming out of 'strong economies' ..such as china and japan, the relevant markets' consumables are all inclusive..
When it comes to economies, the real info as clouded with fake info. Novelties are a fake endeavor, as even though they create jobs, so does increasing the number of frivolously paid government workers ( such as people that clean up roadkill, etc. ).
I might add, that there are industrial aspects of novelty items; even though each and every marketable item we/they produce is somewhat of a novelty item, the act of brining something to market is where most of the monetary strain goes -
( notice here, where is begin to ramble, EVEN more ...) ..blah blah blah, this is the field of poppies that they referred to in The Wizard of Oz..
And then there's the Idea of agriculture - the most basic, which, industrialized, needs mining and ore resources; Ultimately, natural resources are our greatest resources. Not meaning or intending to convolute the point, our exports are more important as food then they would be as some novelty item.
Given a crisis, novelties tend to be less utilized. It's in the backward strategy of our functional defense, that if our economy tanks, so does theirs. Go stock up of teddy bears and gum-ball machine toys - I don't think so. Buy less novelty items; show them the power of our economy.
The cash for clunkers is a scam - most cars flying off the lot aren't made in America. TO add to that, most people get back what they would pay in sales tax... quickly:
you get 3500 for your clunker, the NEW car you get costing 22,000.00, you pay 1540 in sales tax to you state @7%, 1980@9% ...in other words, the state takes half of your refund in most cases...RIGHT back where it came from. Most people having money for a new expensive car, will have an old expensive car...you get 4500 for your clunker, you pay 35,000, you pay 2450@7%, 3150@9%.
@jadaro2600
In regard to your whole #28 posting, I mostly agree. Accessories can be foregone with in a recession. In view of the fact that little has changed on Wall St., and that several million people will have no income at all in due course, the situation looks dire for the economy when people catch on to their not having any future.
When people get scared or they're hopeless(likely in a few months), all Hell will break loose.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 13, 2009, 10:33:44 PM
the_big_m_in_ok said:
NOTE:
New development:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=131832675980
ANOTHER NOTE:http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090914065024AATojye
(this article may be replaced in the future by fresher news)
The whole financial system is
still "on the edge", as it were...
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 15, 2009, 10:56:15 AM
ANOTHER NOTE:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090914065024AATojye
(this article may be replaced in the future by fresher news)
The whole financial system is still "on the edge", as it were...
--Lee
installing more Temp employement agencies would help lesson the effects until permanent jobs come along, sometimes temp jobs lead to permanent jobs if the employee likes their skills and memory absorbtion. Temp agencies are faster to start up rather than large industries so it's like having a snack before the main course comes along.
now if we can just get those who don't want to work to get to work we'll can eliminate a lot of that red tape. I know at least 50 people that don't want to work, they just want to milk the system for what it's worth.
how many people do you know that don't want to work? I bet you it runs into at least 1.5 to 2 million people nation wide.
Jerry ;)
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I know at least 50 people that don't want to work, they just want to milk the system for what it's worth.
Well, okay, you have a valid point. People can get so discouraged, they quit looking. I do want to work, but I lack the recent experience and schooling to qualify. And, I'm almost 60.
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...how many people do you know that don't want to work? I bet you it runs into at least 1.5 to 2 million people nation wide.
Exactly. The "Entitlement Generation" hasn't had to live through a serious recession like this one to know what real privation is. Many people are about to learn the hard way.
--Lee
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Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 15, 2009, 05:31:31 PM
The "Entitlement Generation" hasn't had to live through a serious recession like this one to know what real privation is. Many people are about to learn the hard way.
--Lee
It's these types of situations which usher in the idea of a commune. Not to be distasteful or anything, but the idea of a commune is one that's been utilized for many thousands of years, it's only seen as having been sullied by the idea of communism, which is itself entirely different and larger, more ominous, etc.
Think of a prison as a sort of commune, or a church, or even a workplace. What really defines it? - people sleeping in close quarters, or that which takes place while in one? Hmm?
Is your workplace a communist one?
jadaro2600 said:
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It's these types of situations which usher in the idea of a commune. Not to be distasteful or anything, but the idea of a commune is one that's been utilized for many thousands of years, it's only seen as having been sullied by the idea of communism, which is itself entirely different and larger, more ominous, etc.
Yes, I agree. Communism is insidious. I was told by a former acquaintance years ago: "The only communism that works in the world is an Israeli kibbutz." She had dual Israeli/American citizenship, so she knew.
(I could tell you why, but it has to do with their religion.)
What doesn't work is human nature to be dishonest and greedy. Right now, nothing concrete, in a financial sense, is being done to mitigate the market meltdown on Wall St. because of human nature.
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Think of a prison as a sort of commune, or a church, or even a workplace. What really defines it? - people sleeping in close quarters, or that which takes place while in one? Hmm?
Is your workplace a communist one?
Yeah, it is. I live in a halfway house for homeless Vets in San Francisco. This is actually, literally a communist setup. However, the problems that come with being a combat Vet are something that adds stress to the overall situation. It's not perfect, by any means.
--Lee
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Some interesting insights from an economist's point of view:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/09/13/why_capitalism_fails/
Maybe a portent of what big_m is predicting:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1212013/Revealed-The-ghost-fleet-recession-anchored-just-east-Singapore.html
My personal view: Become as self-sufficient as possible, position ourselves to minimize dependency.
There will be a brief respite before we encounter yet another 'collapse', use that time wisely.
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ATT said:
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Some interesting insights from an economist's point of view:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/09/13/why_capitalism_fails/
Good, ATT. I agree with Minsky.
An American History teacher in high school told my class that, "For the federal government to shoot the right amount of money at the right time into the economy would bring the country out of depression or recession. The big 'if' is when, where and how much money to spend."
Minsky said about the same thing. He's got a better handle on it than anyone now or then.
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Maybe a portent of what big_m is predicting:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1212013/Revealed-The-ghost-fleet-recession-anchored-just-east-Singapore.html
This computer has a block on that site. I'll get to another computer later.
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My personal view: Become as self-sufficient as possible, position ourselves to minimize dependency.
There will be a brief respite before we encounter yet another 'collapse', use that time wisely.
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Excellent! Do the best you can. We may all need as much luck as possible.
Re-edit:Another take on the subject of business-as-usual:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32875188/ns/business-world_business/
NOTE:This article may or may not be replaced in the future with fresher news.
--Lee
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QuoteThis computer has a block on that site. I'll get to another computer later.
Lee, Hunt down a proxy or an anonymizer (same thing) and you'll get through the ip-block.
I found this somewhat 'telling':
http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/jolts_20090909/
QuoteDo the best you can. We may all need as much luck as possible.
So true. Regardless of '...plans of mice and men...', ultimately we all need the 'luck' to go with any positioning we attempt.
I wish you well,
Tony
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.Lee, Hunt down a proxy or an anonymizer (same thing) and you'll get through the ip-block.
Sometimes I can GOOGLize another site and get the same information.
Also, I can go borrow a Linux-based CD-R disk that doesn't have a 'Net Nannie' on it and look at anything.
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I found this somewhat 'telling':
http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/jolts_20090909/
Time's about up on this borrowed computer. I'll look tomorrow.
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So true. Regardless of '...plans of mice and men...', ultimately we all need the 'luck' to go with any positioning we attempt.
I wish you well,
Tony
Right. Thanks. You, also.
--Lee
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29990/Dr__Steven_Greer_The_Promise_of_New_Energy/
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Quote from: Mk1 on September 17, 2009, 02:50:35 AM
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29990/Dr__Steven_Greer_The_Promise_of_New_Energy/
The operant word here is
...Promise....
While I appreciate the vigor with which motivational evangelists make their case, holding out possibilities that are 'just around the corner', so to speak, have limited value in the 'hear and now'.
Better to plan for the most likely occurrence.
If you were to calculate the odds of FE/UFO disclosure verses further economic breakdown, which do you think would be more likely?
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@ATT
I saw the first 6 mins. of the video quoted in Reply #41 and then I started to get the overall drift of his message: Conspiracy and disinformation.
Okay, he's right. But if he takes the same line as those who went before him(no full disclosure), he's part of the problem.
You're right, ATT. All he's doing is making a promise, from what little I've heard so far.
--Lee
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I do beg your indulgence for this rather 'stretched-out' post but it's such a good opportunity to respond further to the posted video link.
Dr Steven Greer:
Wife is a Yale grad.
Well connected with Washington insiders
Lives close to DC and Langley, VA
Born: June 28 1955.
Probably began practice around 1985
Espouses:
Extraterrestrial contact
Extraterrestrial suppression
Advanced technology suppression
Government conspiracy
NWO conspiracy
Organizations formed:
1990 Center for the study of extraterrestrial intelligence
1993 Disclosure project
2007 Advanced energy research organization
New: Orion project
Books:
1999: Extraterrestrial Contact
2001: Disclosure
2006: Hidden Truth
Does lecture circuits (seminars)
Appears on tv/radio:
Larry King Live
CBS
BBC
NTV (Japan)
Sightings
Encounters
Coast to Coast
Armstrong Williams
internet radio
Claims to be a contactee
Teaches:
Meditation
Remote viewing
Cosmic consiencness
Precognition
Supernatural abilities
Solicits donations without any technology:
Solicits new AE/OU/FE inventions:
http://www.theorionproject.org/en/faq.html
From looking at the above, I'm wondering when he had time to practice medicine...
If I was a -real- conspiracy aficionado, I'd suspect he was a 'plant' who was injected into the fringe-mainstream to discover individuals who would be detrimental to government coverups and FE inventors on the verge of breakthroughs...in order to suppress them before they did any damage to secret government programs (or economic agendas), all under the guise of 'disclosure'.
* His headquarters -is- comfortably close to WA-DC and Langley VA (CIA HDQTRS).
* His wife -is- a Yale grad (skull and bones).
* By his own admission he -is- well connected with the power-elite.
* The corporate officers of his various organizations have been connected with government and industry (CIA operatives?)
http://www.theorionproject.org/en/about.html.
* He only had a chance to practice medicine for about five years before becoming embroiled in ufo coverup conspiracy (government startup?).
* He has had network-quality coverage (government paid-for?).
* He solicits donations without having any technology (cover for black-ops funding?).
* He solicits inventions without any development track-record (direct pipe to government for suppression?).
No, a -real- conspiracy theorist would see-through the slick facade of Tony Robinesque motivational speech, too-slick east-coast organization, Madison Avenue caliber marketing and too-easy access to senators, representatives, industry moguls and scientists...too slick, too quick, smells like a trap.
On the other hand...he could just be in it for the money. You can imagine what a cash-cow any kind of conspiracy following can generate, just look at all the players who have cashed-in and continue to cash-in, times are good for conspiracy marketers...worldwide.
I won't go into my act on alternative-marketing, but you should know that the accepted 'formula' is:
* Promote Fear
* Suspend Disbelief
* Sell Hope
I'll leave it to you to recognize those to whom this applies ('...By their fruits shall ye know them...' sort of thing).
A third possibility is that he could be sincere, in which case none of the above would apply.
Of course, the eventual point of all this is 'it doesn't matter' because if the economy fails to the point of systemic breakdown, what's going to be important to you and yours are things like:
Food
Water
Shelter
Fuel
Medicine
Protection
and most importantly...
Knowledge.
UFOs and black-box energy cubes won't save us if it 'all falls down'.
So I'm going to pay attention to things that matter, the rest is for (as they say) 'entertainment value only'.
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Quote from: ATT on September 18, 2009, 02:59:07 AM
If I was a -real- conspiracy aficionado, I'd suspect he was a 'plant' who was injected into the fringe-mainstream to discover individuals who would be detrimental to government coverups and FE inventors on the verge of breakthroughs...in order to suppress them before they did any damage to secret government programs (or economic agendas), all under the guise of 'disclosure'.
Great post.
I agree with you. Greer is one of "them" and anyone associated with him is either is working with him or, brought in so, can be kept under close observation.
If -you- were a -real- conspiracy theorist, you would immediately recognise that -I- am the government agent who was embedded to diseminate disinformation about those who are trying to elicit full disclosure of secret government projects and overunity devices...
Just kidding...(maybe)...
Although I emphasized the 'double agent' factor in my post, it was meant to be more 'tongue in cheek' than accusatory (but I'm glad you enjoyed it).
This is Lee's thread about economic downturn and the dangers thereof, the departure I indulged in above was prompted by a video link post that appeared earlier (and you notice I returned to the real theme of this thread at the end).
However, given that Greer may be one of:
a.) government agent
b.) mercenary marketer
c.) true believer
I would pick b.) as most likely.
I would pick a.) in second place.
I would pick c.) as third most likely.
And as a parting note, remember:
Trust no one. Suspect everything. Believe nothing...
@ATT
I like practically everything you said previously. The only thing is, so far, I haven't had the time or freedom to thoroughly investigate Greer's claims and assertions without headphones or a Linux operating-system-oriented disk in my hand. This weekend however... I'll have both.
Kudos to you! Greer sounds like a slick operator looking for gullible backers. And you're right:
Trust no one...except your inner instinctive voice warning you of danger.
Suspect everything outside yourself...unless you're looking out for NUMBER 1, your own survival mode actions to avoid trouble should be above suspicion.
Believe nothing...but that which stands up to the test of time---especially a stranger's claims.
Re-edit:
Maybe I spoke too soon? I didn't have enough information:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8064.0
Here's the YouTube address:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/soldier-claims-authorities-training-to-intern-americans-who-refuse-swine-flu-shot.html
(This borrowed computer refuses to load and run the file. I'll have to try later with a new system disk or go to another computer.)
A military whistle blower says people will be rounded up in concentration camps without a proof-of-vaccination bracelet. This might cause some social problems in a few hotheaded Americans. People are buying lotsa guns as it is now. If people need a trigger, an overbearing Gov't like Soviet communism in Afghanistan might do the trick. Forcing thousands into concentration camps would cause an economic disaster, as is the subject of this thread.
--Lee
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Now, from what I posted before about alternative marketing, see if any of it applies to PrisonPlanet's latest offering regarding H1N1. Then, consider the following news links (excepting the one for net-neutrality, of course).
Among the things to consider when deciding on the value of 'likleyhood' to attribute to an item, would include that of 'track-record' for past items that the same source has predicted or reported on.
* Are the sources of the report conveniently anonymous?
* Was the report later proved accurate?
* Did the prediction come to pass?
* Has any report from this source had a direct-detrimental affect on you?
* When was the last time you saw any 'good news' reported from this source?
* Do they appear to engage in niche-related 'tabloid marketing'?
* Do they sell a lot of 'stuff' on their site?
* Do they host a lot of advertising on their site?
* Do they depend on sensationalism to draw traffic in order to promote sales and advertising?
* Is their marketing model successful in making money?
Not to say it's all bogus, just to offer a little centering-rationale when confronted with scads of viral-marketing 'poggie-bait' (you remember what that is from your military days, right?).
Meanwhile, the news:
CDC - no shots, nose spray:
http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUSN1837082220090918
Organization lacking:
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-SwineFlu/idUSTRE58H2ZY20090918
Public fear-H1N1:
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58H58820090918
Here's our ration of 'good news':
Net Neutrality:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/posttech/2009/09/fcc_to_introduce_rules_that_pr.html
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I also believe Beardon is in bed with Greer. Well not literally but he has been involved in malavelant activities (ref: Marshall Thomas-MKultra).
I know he is good buddy with John Bedini. Now first one of you who has a self runner, please put me right.
Back to the economic disaster, yes it is coming to us regular folks but our poleticians who have the fists of the controllers up their back sides and the controllers them selves will have no problem with that. A sort of heads I win, tails you lose.
QuoteI also believe Beardon is in bed with Greer
It's my impression that Bearden and Bedini are business partners. As for Greer's complicity in anything, I do know he is sought-after to underwrite/support various projects owing to his motivational-speaking and salesmanship skills and his connections to Washington insiders and industy 'movers'. I don't know anything specifically about any dealings between he and Bearden (but then I don't follow all that, anyway).
Quote...our poleticians who have the fists of the controllers up their back sides and the controllers them selves will have no problem with that.
If I were to launch into a diatribe based on those statements it could take-up volumes, so I'll just say: yes, I agree (the subject gets into a lot more depth than you might first imagine).
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Please, do tell.
This is the right forum for it!
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Public fear-H1N1:
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58H58820090918
I happened to see on the Internet, in passing from an article, scientists were
admittedly trying to combine the deadly avian flu and the swine flu in a lab to then formulate a vaccine for it.
Isn't that risky if they succeed and it infects a lab worker, unknowingly, and it's then inadvertently released into the worldwide population?
Avian Flu that's as contagious as swine flu? And it kills at least 60% of its victims?
Talk about a conspiracy theory?!?!--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 19, 2009, 10:55:35 AM
Avian Flu that's as contagious as swine flu? And it kills at least 60% of its victims? Talk about a conspiracy theory?!?!
Anything is possible when dealing with those who have no consience (and who's intellectual abilities are limited to furthering their agendas).
Although the potential threat a mutated flue virus presents is immediately disturbing, the broader possibilities of an insidious agenda are even more disturbing.
The question that remains is: What action do we take?
Quote from: MasterPlaster on September 19, 2009, 04:37:35 AM
Please, do tell. This is the right forum for it!
Would you like that -manuscript- in Quark, Indesign or PDF format?
Seriously, there is ever so much more to this than than meets the eye. Any investigation of the of the events and interactions leading to the circumstances we find ourselves in today (in order to appear cohesive) would require too rigorous a treatment to deal with in a few fragmented forum posts.
I will say this much, there are a multiplicity of controls imposed on populations in order to both steer and maintain a desired direction at any given time. Most often the desired effect can be realized with simple 'nudges', but occasionally the controllers wish to bring about a directional change more rapidly and that requires a more forceful (thus drastic) control-input.
If you've ever piloted a boat, you know that when you apply rudder it takes a while to bring the craft around to a new heading (for the helm to answer-up), the bigger the craft, the more time it takes. It's the same with populations, so it's important to realise that the control-input required for any desired change must be applied well before you desire that change in direction to occur...sometimes 'generations' before you desire that change to occur.
We have been in the process of 'answering the helm' now for more than one generation (several, actually) and we are beginning to see glimpses of the ultimate destination our 'controllers' have determined.
If the majority of the 'crew' won't mutiny, perhaps those of us who have more insight should consider manning the lifeboats...
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Quote from: ATT on September 19, 2009, 02:25:37 PM
Anything is possible when dealing with those who have no consience (and who's intellectual abilities are limited to furthering their agendas).
Yep. I agree 100%
But: With respect to the video involving the female National Guard troop, there could be a trigger in the Gov't trying to confiscate all American Weapons. This probably won't go over well in the Western States, as well as the Appalachian States. Guns are important to these people. I doubt if they'll hand them over without comment.
Here's the video:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/soldier-claims-authorities-training-to-intern-americans-who-refuse-swine-flu-shot.html
See for yourself and decide whether or not she's kidding or merely being an alarmist Chicken Little.
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Although the potential threat a mutated flue virus presents is immediately disturbing, the broader possibilities of an insidious agenda are even more disturbing.
Well, many religions have an "End Times" prophecy. In terms of historical records, the leaders of past empires weren't generally setting the best example for their citizens to follow. Some of those leaders(i.e., Adolph Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Attila the Hun) were the problem to be dealt with. But, that goes for everywhere.
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The question that remains is: What action do we take?
One Member on the forum, on this thread, suggested, "Run for the hills!, Run for your life!"
Can he live in the wilderness from scratch, with merely the clothes he's wearing? In an environment stressed by pollution? Doubtful. Also, the Gov't has helicopters and night-vision goggles. He can't hide anywhere, and neither can anyone else. I don't even try.
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If the majority of the 'crew' won't mutiny, perhaps those of us who have more insight should consider manning the lifeboats...
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This "trigger" I mentioned can begin the collapse I predict.
AND, several other sources said the same thing already.
What can
I do?
Nothing. I can't change anything. Whatever I do, someone can always come along later and change
that to suit themselves.
Everything changes in the universe. I've seen this happen for many years.
What I can do is wait and watch. Those who want to make more karma, can do so. They have free will, like everyone. However, whether they like it or not, they'll be held accountable for their actions.
Me, too.
That's why I never really got involved with the crap some people think is important. That's short term. For me, in the long term, some earlier predictions have indicated that there is hope for the smart, resilient and adaptable person.
A former Marine told me: "The man who know how to use his mind and his body can be very dangerous."
I'm not military trained to be dangerous, but I can try and be at the right place at the right the time---and use that survival quality to my advantage.
Be aware: I'm here now because I don't make fatal mistakes
and I'm very,
very! lucky when I need to be. That's the way it is for me.
--Lee
well here in cali they are admitting to an unemployment rate of 12.2-.5% which means we are really nearing 30%.
Cali has the largest pop of any state, 36 mil
It has a civilian work force of 18 mil
around 16 are working and 2.2 are considered unemployeed.
but with a little closer inspection its closer to the nonfarm industry number of 14.4 mil
67% of the population is in the working age range, as you can tell, 50% of the pop in cali is considered the workforce.
The reason unemplyment is around 27%, of the workforce, so more like 13 mil working and 4.86 mil not working. Since california is 12% of the US's population, and increase here does affect the national number, not much, but more than anyone else.
of the 150 mil considered the nations workforce, right now 15 mil are not working, officially. the reality is more like 25% overall.
Think about this trend ladies and gents. No new jobs are being created, no new industry arising. this income loss means that every industry will be affected, all incomes of business will be dramatically affected. Food will go down the least, next fuel.
But retailers will be hot to the tune of 40% losses, this will carry the same for construction, and all other non nessecity industries. This will result in more layoffs.
This christmas season will seal that deal. when the 65% of the middle income people spend 50% of what they did even last year which was 50% of what it was the year before.
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/holiday/
We all know that without the holiday shopping most retailers would go belly up. 50-75% of their business occurs for that shopping period. The sales cut down to 65% of the total sales last year, These retailers are gonna craps themselves.
The only industry going up, is government based jobs, either direct or indirect, aka homeland security, border patrol, construction of gov facilies, military complexes. and some infrastructure.
This is where people normally say, "see they are making new jobs!" well most of these things were years in the making, they were approved a year or more ago. But never the less, these jobs are not real producers, they use tax money, well this is like a snake that is eating itself. Jobs financed from taxes, when the tax base income is going through the floor, will not stimulate anything except a few people for a short time.
The government has been in a budget issue with 4-5% unemployment, triple that and see what happens to their budget? add in the fact that they are spending even more and what do you get?
This crash is not a maybe, it will and has to happen. Its simple fact. They should be slowing their spending, and letting up on taxation on the american people. Let the people have their own money and they can spend more.
We need to re-establish our agricultural, construction, and manufacturing base.
Quotethere could be a trigger in the Gov't trying to confiscate all American Weapons
Lee, I appreciate your insight and, yes, that would raise some hackles, probably nationwide.
And of course, any significant backlash would provide exactly the excuse needed to institute marshall law.
We all know where it goes from there.
QuoteIn terms of historical records, the leaders of past empires weren't generally setting the best example
Much of the example set by these heads of state is followed to this day by our present governments, so point well taken.
Quotepredictions have indicated that there is hope for the smart, resilient and adaptable person
Hope so...that's been the case so far.
Quote from: d3adp00l on September 21, 2009, 01:39:22 AM
We need to re-establish our agricultural, construction, and manufacturing base
California huh? That makes three of us, I think Lee is in SF, I'm close to PS.
Like you, I think there's a pretty wide gap between what we 'need' and what's really going to happen.
As you pointed out:
* Agricultural is going more and more 3rd world.
* California is in it's 3rd (?) year of drought, farmers are losing market.
* Construction is on-hold except for public-works and Fed projects.
* Manufacturing is in China and points-east.
* Our cost of living is too high to for our labor-figure to compete with offshore producers/manufacturers.
So here's the conundrum: whether we like it or not, we exist in a Global economy. That ties all the major producers and consumers together. So when we have a downturn here in the states, the effects are telegraphed world-wide.
Speculators (including the investment banks, insurance underwriters, mutual funds/pensions/401s who drive the stocks) were essentially unregulated and allowed to run 'wide open' in the interest of 'free market' profiteering.
Here in the states, our investment gurus came up with the 'mortgage backed security' scam, it returned huge profits, the rest of the world bought-in to it and it blew-up in everybody's face.
So the worlds largest consumer now has less money to 'consume' with, China sells less stuff to us (so they buy less stuff), Europe's trade decreases, the world lays-off it's labor force and we're all stuck in 'idle' while waiting for economic anarchy.
Now let's look at the 'bailout'.
The money went to the big banks and to AIG (who underwrites the big banks), and I haven't forgotten the auto industry, but that's a separate issue.
This was supposed to loosen credit so businesses could operate and, hopefully, save businesses from failing so not as many workers would be affected and consumption (not to mention, taxes) wouldn't be impacted as drastically as it would have been otherwise.
The result: the banks took the money and ran with it, bought other banks and assets up, strengthened their positions and gave out huge bonuses...credit didn't loosen up enough to help the businesses that really needed it.
Small banks failed, businesses either failed or downsized as much as possible just to survive, some ended up turning a profit in the ensuing months, but none significantly increased their labor force...mass lay-offs continued.
The market gradually rebounded (bear rally), Wall Street is making money but on the street, there's no jobs on the horizon.
So how long can Wall Street 'suck the cream out of the twinky' before somebody notices that we -still- aren't consuming because there's no money on the street?
The answer is: They don't care. The 'American Plan' of investment economics is all about 'immediate' gains, here and now, 'I got mine'.
When investment houses talk about 'the long term' what they mean is 'Tomarrow' (but they definitely want -you- in it for as long as they can get you).
So, with all that under our belt, knowing that this is sort of like the eye of the hurricane (a brief calm spot before re-entering the malestrom), what do you think a guy should do?
Lee says 'watch and wait', be resourceful, use your street-smarts to make it through.
I say make a plan, get you resources together and shoot for sustainable independence.
What's your take on an individual solution, d3?
Tony
The fact is we live in a forced global economy, and it ruins everyones economy. Lets take a look,
Mexico and US. It would seem like a good idea for us to get cheap labor, and for them to get better wages right? Well your wrong, bandage up that bleeding heart, and hand cuff that capitalist, here's why.
When mexicans come here, they get paid more than if they lived down there, well they take their earnings down there. So whereas before they were making the same as everyone else, now they have 10 times as much, and can afford the things they want. Here is where the problem starts. A businessman down there sees that these few have more than everyone else, well being the good little greed monger, I mean capitalist that he is, he cranks his prices up, out of the reach of the normal people, but still within reach of the migrant worker. Well now the mex business man is making the same or more than before, and dealing with many fewer transactions, he can layoff a few employees due to lower volume, and he is still making bank.
It artifically blows the market up.
On the other side of the border, Us business men hire lower paid mexicans, which means they can undercut their competion, and still make as much as befre, and with less to compete against, their business volume goes up, and they are making even more. This devalues the local labor to a point where they can't afford the costs of living. And the market price of goods stays high.
It artifically cuts the general worker off at the knees.
You can not mix economies, it benefits only a very few, and hurts everyone else. remember 1% is the upper class, 5% is the upper middle class, the middle class down to lower class are 74% of the population, poor are 20%, So the bulk of the people are hurt by this outsourcing nonsense. But the upper 6% make out like bandits.
FACT: Only raw materials should be allowed to cross borders of economies, anything that can be made inside an economy should be made in that economy.
Fact: diversification and cellular comparments are good and stable, one fails it doesn't effect the others, which means the others can help the failed one.
FACT: They know these things, and they know it will fail, they do this so that they can convince us to make a one world economy under their control. its really very simple and stupid. People who say they can't see this, are the ones who benefit from it.
Quote from: ATT on September 21, 2009, 01:33:20 PM
Lee, I appreciate your insight and, yes, that would raise some hackles, probably nationwide. ... And of course, any significant backlash would provide exactly the excuse needed to institute marshall law. ... Much of the example set by these heads of state is followed to this day by our present governments, so point well taken.
Exactly. They don't necessarily who they step on, as long as they get what they want.
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California huh? That makes three of us, I think Lee is in SF, (I, Lee, am in San Francisco)
I'm close to PS. (where's 'PS'?)
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Like you, I think there's a pretty wide gap between what we 'need' and what's really going to happen.
I've clearly seen the cycles of history and the "boom-and-bust" sets of scenarios have always played out about the same way practically every time.
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...So here's the conundrum: whether we like it or not, we exist in a Global economy. That ties all the major producers and consumers together. So when we have a downturn here in the states, the effects are telegraphed world-wide. ... So the worlds largest consumer now has less money to 'consume' with, China sells less stuff to us (so they buy less stuff), Europe's trade decreases, the world lays-off it's labor force and we're all stuck in 'idle' while waiting for economic anarchy.
Now it's a two-way street:
On PBS, Bill Moyer's Show, a guest economist told him the Chinese consumers were such a big player on the world scene, that if the Chinese consumer doesn't step up and replace the American consumer as a buying force to shore up the Chinese economy, that economy will suffer
badly without any further influence from us.
As you may have said or implied,
I also assert the ripple effect of this will be a money drought and a worsening recession---or depression with total collapse.
--Lee
Hi d3.
Irish, German, Russian, Romanian, Italian, Roman, Indian, Mexican, Eskimoian, Turkish, British, French, Chinese, Mung, Vietnamese, Korean, African, Latino, you name it that is what makes up America. I know I left out some ethnics but please forgive my laziness of writing the entire list.
there is no such thing as America being a 'white mans' country, America is a mixing pot and has always been a mixing pot.
If Hispanics want to live in America then give them the chance, educate them and let them share our justice and freedom.
Racism coined the term, aliens.
Eskimo, Indians and Mexican were here in America before everyone else so who are the real aliens?
Just a German American who cares.
Jerry
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on September 21, 2009, 09:15:41 PM
Hi d3.
Irish, German, Russian, Romanian, Italian, Roman, Indian, Mexican, Eskimoian, Turkish, British, French, Chinese, Mung, Vietnamese, Korean, African, Latino, you name it that is what makes up America. I know I left out some ethnics but please forgive my laziness of writing the entire list.
there is no such thing as America being a 'white mans' country, America is a mixing pot and has always been a mixing pot.
If Hispanics want to live in America then give them the chance, educate them and let them share our justice and freedom.
Racism coined the term, aliens.
Just a German American who cares.
Jerry
Hey Jerry,
Since I'm a descendant of many of the ethnic groups on your list(going back to ancient times), I'd say from personal experience that the average person is mostly interested in living in peace and putting food on the table under a roof over his head.
It's a few
ignorant! individuals who impose their will against others. For that, they get what they deserve. (read: heavy karma)
BTW, my mother's maternal grandmother was primarily German.
Her father was a full German American whose ancestors were pious farmers from the Pfalz, in Germany.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok(where's PS)
Palm Springs. I'm in the high-desert, about 30 mi north.
Quote from: d3adp00l on September 21, 2009, 08:32:54 PM
The fact is we live in a forced global economy, and it ruins everyones economy. Lets take a look,
Sure, illegal immigration has hurt our job market, but it's not a major player by itself.
So has importing H1B-visa tech workers.
So has outsourcing phone-support and back-office work to India.
So has importing produce from South America.
So has selling our manufacturing plants to Japan and China.
So has exporting automotive assembly to Mexico.
So has outsourcing CAD, programming and graphics projects to Korea, China and India.
So has selling mortgages to unsophisticated, unqualified borrowers and then packaging the loans in AAA securities that are sold world-wide.
You get the idea.
It's the combined effect of 'accepted' predatory business practices that have the effect of deleting jobs from our economy and sending money out of the country, where it'll be spent at the above respective (offshore) locations.
And sure they know all this, but as I said in a previous post, 'they don't care', it's all about 'immediate gains' and 'I got mine'.
Now, if the regulatory environment is such that it's conducive to unfettered greed (greed is a great tool, almost as good as fear), the agenda setters say: 'so much the better'...why do you think the regulations (or lack thereof) are as they are?
Because those with the more 'ulterior' agenda control legislation (they 'own' the legislators).
Globalists? New-Worlders? One-Worlders? Communists? Socialists? Fascists?
Don't even bother, they're just labels. None of them would adequately describe what 'they' are (although the effects on the street may resemble many or even all of the above).
Which returns us to the last question in my previous post, since we can't 'save the world', how are you, individually, prepared to weather the storm?
Tony
ATT said:
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Palm Springs. I'm in the high-desert, about 30 mi north.
Very good. My parents bought a place for recreation in Idyllwild before they retired. Before that they bought a trailer to take camping trips to Joshua Tree Park in the high desert.
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... You get the idea.
... It's the combined effect of 'accepted' predatory business practices that have the effect of deleting jobs from our economy and sending money out of the country, where it'll be spent at the above respective (offshore) locations.
... And sure they know all this, but as I said in a previous post, 'they don't care', it's all about 'immediate gains' and 'I got mine'.
...Which returns us to the last question in my previous post, since we can't 'save the world', how are you, individually, prepared to weather the storm?
Okay, I have a definite answer:
Money and gold are a waste of time and resources to own. Can you eat either one?
Canned food, bottled water, soap, toothpaste&toothbrush, hammer&nails, axe&hatchet, miner's pickaxe&shovel, bow&arrow, matches&firestarter kits, camping equipment, guns&supplies of gun ammo reloading equipment, survival books bought and studied...
Here's a good one suggested by the SciFi author Robert Heinlein: Have your son or daughter join the Scouts and him, her and you
go camping.You see? In simple terms: Imitate the Mormons in terms of food, but don't advertise it,
or you'll become an inviting target for armed gangs.--Lee
I think the best recreation thing to do is to play a certain sport that will test your heart and muscle endurance; or clean the your whole house! In that case, you don't actually made just only an exercise but also you clean your house!
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I love it when people toss in the racism card, when you point out the fact that cross border commerce hurts both sides.
First i don't care what you call me.
Second what was done to the native peoples was an atrocity. But it was done
and nothing now can change it.
Your comments on "aliens" etc. does not take away the validity of my points. So don't bring up an opinion which has nothing to do with the subject.
Its a distraction tactic.
I don't care where your from, what difference does it make in this discussion, none.
Again you and many others can't see the point past your own hangups.
Until you can get past the race card, and see how the actions of individuals affect the lives of those individuals you are missing the needed understanding to see the solution.
I would feel the same if the people doing this were white, purple or any other color.
The fact is this profit maximization theory of business that condones outsourcing of jobs for profit of the few, hurts everyone.
Again I make the point, people diversify their stocks into different separated areas for stability, then why in the hell and we consolidating the worlds economic system. Its insane, and hurts everyone but a very few.
Here are some more facts
Fact: people are different
Fact: they are different largly due to their location
Fact: those differences are interesting
Opinion: why would we want to melt everything to one pot, and loss our differences? That means everything would be the same the world over, screw that its boring.
Fact: some of us should not be around others. I know who I am, and I know that some types of people wouldn't want to live next to me, and I wouldn't want to live next to them, we have different kinds of lives. What is wrong with knowing your different, and wanting be seperate from those who you would annoy? Finding like minded people and being around them is not racism, its responsible action.
what do you people not understand about these things? when will you grow past where you are, and get to the point where many of us are, we don't care about race, we care about others and what is best for them and us, because you can have a situation thats good for both.
Again I repeat, my points stand, your comments are not relevant to the points I made.
I agree with quite a few points made in this thread, but not all by any means.
Is a collapse coming? You better believe it!
USA gov't just did some cosmetic work to pretty up a bleak forecast for a little space of time, while making the "bottom" of the crash a LOT lower then it would have been had we had just tightened our belts and waited it out.
I think a good part of this came from going for the cheapest (Wal***t mentality).
If you spend your money with local business, most of it stays local and the dollar you spent buying your neighbors goods or services will probably make its way back to you in time.
Trying to save a few pennies or dollars by buying from a national or global retailer takes that money out of your area and puts it in the pocket of d3's "6%".
The 6% spend the majority of that money amongst themselves and it never makes it way back to your area killing your neighbors business.
Your neighbor no longer has money to spend where you work since they have fewer dollars to spend (if any) and are forced to buy the lowest price goods which takes the money out of the area the same way.
You get laid off (or your business fails) and you buy less, but still go to that "cheapest price" place to get the "most" for your money.
It's a very vicious circle, but it takes time and experience, or GOOD ECONOMIC EDUCATION to realize that cheaper is (most times) not better in terms of quality, selection, and/or local economic stability.
Part of that education is knowing the difference between a "want" and a "need".
A big screen TV or "Hummer" is not a need, it's just something media has convinced you that you need.
Anyway....on the topic of weathering the collapse:
1.) Get to know your neighbors and support their business, most times they'll return the favor.
If they don't, try another business as close to home as you can.
2.) Try to get a handle on good barter practices.
Barter sucks as it's a lot easier for someone else to price a good or service you need, but when money is scarce, barter makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Be aware that's gov't doesn't like it because it's a bitch to tax.
3.) Figure out how to to be the most self sufficient when it comes to feeding/sheltering your family or yourself.
It's a lot harder than it sounds, but societies used to function that way, no reason why they can't again.
4.) Stockpile knowledge as much as any other commodity.
Your ability to do something your neighbor can't may be the only thing you have to barter with for something you need.
When you do sell a service, do it like you were doing it for yourself. Quality and durability is going to become much more important than the cheapest price.
5.) Be aware of the news (from all kinds of outlets) and use those resources to make good reasoned decisions.
Most media these days is at least 70% fear based and there is no better candidate for being led by the nose than someone who's in a continual state of fear.
Most things led by the nose are on their way to slaughter.
These should be very basic concepts that anyone knows, but I'm always surprised at how many don't.
If you think that you have a fairly firm grasp on all things money driven, this may be a bit of an eye opener for some...I have passing acquaintance with some these subjects on the site below...none of this really surprising when you consider human nature.
http://www.newpeopleorder.com/
" ALL CURRENCY IN THE WORLD IS TOXIC RESULTING IN THE FOLLOWING:
1. You are legally a debtor and chattel (property) owned by a hidden creditor. "
I consider myself 'unnumerate'...but it was easy for even me to understand after hearing these 2 guys being interviewed...coincidentally, this stuff has been eating away at me in the background for sometime, off and on...but more so lately.
Regards...
Quote from: exxcomm0n on September 22, 2009, 08:49:29 AM
Stockpile knowledge as much as any other commodity.
A couple of years ago, I started putting together resources I thought would be helpful if our infrastructure and access to information failed.
At first, it was just a collection of files with no particular organization but as I collected more resources, I decided they had to be more accessable and easier to use, so I thought about a database.
I run an Apache server locally that mirrors my web-server so I can test php code before uploading it to the main server. This means I also have a MySQL database available on my desktop machine, I figured this would be one way to organize my files (since that's how I drive my site).
But then I thought better of it.
What I needed was a way to access all my information easily, from one console with minimum software dependencies.
The other requirements were that it had to be self-contained, cross-platform compatible with *nix, win and mac and easy enough to maintain that it didn't require an IT guru.
I settled on PDF.
I built a directory-structure that was sensible (and extensable).
I converted any files I wanted to include to PDF (if they weren't already).
I stored the files in logical locations in the directory tree.
I then made another PDF file that was just a 'picture', since it's only purpose would be to act as a front-end. I then bookmarked every file I had put into my directory-tree from this front-end.
(I said it was technically 'easy', I didn't say it wouldn't be 'tedious').
The locations of the files on-disk do not have to reflect where they are shown on the bookmark nav-bar in Acrobat. Since bookmarks are just pointers, you are free to organize (or re-organize) the presentation-layer any way you see fit without moving any files on your drive.
The result was that any file (including full-books, which I have a lot of) could be accessed from this one location, the files are easily browsed and you can even have a modicum of 'searchability' since Adobe Reader includes that capability.
I've included a couple of screenshots of the setup, pretty much anybody can put this sort of thing together.
So far, it's about 1.5 Gigs. I used InnoSetup to build a distribution (setup) file so I could get a copy to my daughter and still maintain the directory structure, but it still weighs-in at over 700 megs after compressing, so it's not a downloadable item. I put it on a SanDisk and sent it to her.
You could do the same thing using HTML but it would require a browser, Acrobat Reader or another PDF browser-plugin and involve a lot of hand-editing anytime you wanted to add to the files you wanted your HTML to access.
With Acrobat, the work is reduced to pretty much a 'point and click' edit cycle and only requires Acrobat Reader (which is free) to access.
If you don't have Acrobat-Pro (which provides you with the Distiller printer-driver), you can substitute PDF-Creator, which is available free from sourceforge.net (you'll need this to convert and 'create' some PDF files to get this going, after all).
Although this is a self-sufficiency collection, you could do this for an 'overunity' collection (or any subject with a lot of reference material), as well.
Screenshots:
This topic is not really an offshoot of the overunity discussions, but I couldn't help but chime in.
I've noticed a common theme regarding the economic calamity upon us due to outsourcing/offshoring and comments regarding how both countries sustain economic damage.
If this is true when I trade across an invisible line (say the Mexico/US border), then why is it not true when I trade across the invisible line between my home and my neighbors home or the invisible line between New York and New Jersey?
Should we stop trading all together and survive based only on our own productive efforts (can't use any tools you traded for....)?
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that it's obvious that trade and division of labor yield benefits to all involved - I make the pizza and you brew the beer and we exchange. It has also been 'reasonably demonstrated' that the larger the trade area/more people involved the rewards become even greater. The US grew to be an global economic powerhouse partially due to the inability of states to put up trade barriers between each other resulting in an ENOURMOUS marketplace. Many nations have emulated the approach with neighboring nations, and liberalized internal trade, and one of the results has been an unarguable massive reduction in the % of the world population living in poverty.
So the question is, where is the invisible line that determines when trade is beneficial versus detrimental?
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on September 22, 2009, 05:03:37 PM
If you think that you have a fairly firm grasp on all things money driven, this may be a bit of an eye opener for some...http://www.newpeopleorder.com/
A few posts back, I listed a few marketing-ploys that are commonly used to separate people from their money.
To reiterate, the accepted formula is:
* Promote fear
* Suspend Disbelief
* Sell Hope
I'd say this guy knows his (marketing) stuff.
With this in mind, do you -really- think the guy that's promoting this is named Ronald MacDonald?
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If you're going to buy anything from this site, you'd better hurry up, it goes down on the 26th if he doesn't re-up soon.
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Quote from: spoondini on September 22, 2009, 05:43:28 PM
So the question is, where is the invisible line that determines when trade is beneficial versus detrimental?
It's not a physical boundary or a national border, it's the idea that profit can be increased by overly excluding the consumers who provide the income in the trade-circuit.
This results in diminishing returns as time goes on and has been exemplified repeatedly by the exodus of good paying manufacturing and other jobs from the U.S. economy.
QuoteIf this is true when I trade across an invisible line (say the Mexico/US border), then why is it not true when I trade across the invisible line between my home and my neighbors home or the invisible line between New York and New Jersey?
Because the money stays in the country. Your neighbors buy things in the country. This creates and/or maintains yet other jobs in the country.
QuoteThe US grew to be an global economic powerhouse partially due to the inability of states to put up trade barriers between each other resulting in an ENOURMOUS marketplace
The difference here is that there is a normalization of labor costs in states and countries that enjoy roughly the same standard of living. Largely, the States are contiguous, and so it is with Europe so economic interchange has commonly beneficial results.
How would the above compare the standard of living in China or Mexico?
That's why labor costs in those countries are a fraction of U.S. or European costs.
Do they buy U.S. goods with the wages paid by U.S. concerns for their labor?
They can't afford them.
Have the U.S. manufacturing facilities that used to produce these goods been shut down?
Yes
Are those incomes and the resulting tax-base now diminished?
Yes.
There is a balance that needs to be struck if a sustainable economy is to be maintained.
No argument needs be made, just look at the economic conditions that prevail currently.
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Here's some stuff that goes along with my last post:
In China, one factory owner is bemoaning the fact that wages have risen to an average of $160/mo (that's about $1.00/hr if based on a 40 hr week.)
(2009 - Business Week)
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_13/b3977049.htm
In Mexico, workers in U.S. auto factories have conceded to lower their wages to compete with pressures from China, some positions as low as $1.50/hr
(2008 - mlive.com, Michigan)
http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2008/06/mexicos_auto_unions_agree_to_c.html
With wages like that, how much economic reciprocity do you think those workers can manage in buying US or EU goods?
Example: How many jobs are -really- wiped out when a U.S. auto factory closes?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/28/MN6919EL3P.DTL
The dollar's going down:
http://www.reuters.com/article/usDollarRpt/idUSTKW00658220090922
More jobs are wiped out, the tax-base reduced, more government funding required to deal with the jobless and medically uninsured, more financial insolvency leading to bankruptcy, more foreclosures and loan defaults, collateral-layoffs from dependent businesses, the Fed prints more money, the Dollar's losing value, maybe there's something I'm not seeing here about why it's good to let Free-Trade have 'Free-Reign'.
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ATT said:
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Example: How many jobs are -really- wiped out when a U.S. auto factory closes?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/28/MN6919EL3P.DTL
My thoughts exactly. 35,000 - 50,000 total by ripple effect. When people stop trying to look for work, the unemployment rate effectively doubles. The official rate in CA is 12.2% this month. About 25% unofficially.
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The dollar's going down:
http://www.reuters.com/article/usDollarRpt/idUSTKW00658220090922
That's why buying and selling currency for profit is stupid. Nobody eats quarters(without serious gastric problems(!) :o ::) :P
Commodities are a better way to go. Barter is a better way to go. More human supervision of quality(If you don't like it, walk away).
Less planned obsolescence.
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More jobs are wiped out, the tax-base reduced, more government funding required to deal with the jobless and medically uninsured, more financial insolvency leading to bankruptcy, more foreclosures and loan defaults, collateral-layoffs from dependent businesses, the Fed prints more money, the Dollar's losing value, maybe there's something I'm not seeing here about why it's good to let Free-Trade have 'Free-Reign'.
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It's a vicious cycle, all right. But as long as human nature is greedy, nothing will change for the better.
--Lee
How will Barter support our Military that protects our country from invaders?
nobody will want to join the military on a retirement of Barter either.
that is the only reason why Barter won't work in America.
I am not against Barter but I am against losing our military defences in the good old USA.
How about buying a new C-5 Galaxy Class or even a AC-130
or our latest stealth fighters on Barter? A-10 Warthogs for a shipment of Bananas? Passenger Jets for a cargo of pop tarts?
won't work.
Jerry
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on September 23, 2009, 12:16:42 AM
How will Barter support our Military that protects our country from invaders?
that is the only reason why Barter won't work in America.
I anticipate the economy to collapse like the Roman Empire did in the Fifth Century. They all do. No exceptions.
The various reasons for this to happen are posted above.
Barter may be all that's left.
--Lee
Our economy's are colasping as have all in the past and that is due to our own greed.
Human beings are greedy by nature. No one wants to be equal, at least not the majority.
Ok Some info on economics,
I agree with you on all your points exxcom, But heres the rub, getting small businesses for a lot of things is not a possibilty in this business structure, there is so much regulation that no one can do it and make any money. This is a shame and will change.
But to blame normal people who barely get by for shopping from walm@rt isn't really going to give a solution. Remember to put the blame of their actions squarely on wal marts shoulders. They made the choices not to buy their products from the US. Its easier to change that one decision than millions, and yet the result is the same.
On your enumerated points, RIGHT THE F ON!!!!! exactly
I really want a copy of that info att, is there anyway to get a copy.
The invisable line, I asked myself this same question, where is the line and why.
The line exists when a different measure of labor is used, we normally refer to this as money. When you outsource you open a hole in the monetary system which can only be fixed by making more money.
The correction to this is to only import raw materials, and to never import more than you export, this means that the money in the society stays there, and the monetary supply is stable.
Does this limit business from making profit, yes, do I care NO. Businesses exist because the community in which it exists allows it to, this business owes its exsistance to the community that created it, and it should exist only to benefit the community, not to hurt it.
Now these companies can open in other countries, but what happens in those countries stays there.
For example GE, it has stuff here, and in france (among others) the french version should keep its finances completely separate, and it should operate as a stand alone body, the CEO's of each branch can get together and establish company wide policies, and make commitments for purchasing for both versions, but they can't mix funding.
This really benefits GE, How? here, if the french version goes into the toliet it doesn't affect the amercian version finicially, meaning that it doesn't lay off people in the community it exists in. Now what does the french version do? well it restructres and comes back, or goes away.
As far as establishing a business in a new location, GE could take representives to a new country, lets say XYZ, they can establish the proper business entity by attracting investors, they can show how well the company has done in other countries and get venture capital, they then find and hire local people, and the company can share intellectual property only. It can only share its ideas, and methods, but they must be implimented in that local country. The employees representing the company are only marketers.
So why would they get bigger and go multi national if they cant share profits, it still gives them the purchasing power, and size they crave and state is so needed for them to do what they do. They can use all the talent from other countires to gain ground and develope new technologies, they just cant move money and product around, but ideas can move.
Ok economic systems, barter vs fiat currency.
Lets look at the effectiviness of our monetary system.
I work 40 hours, supposely for 25 per hour
I earned 1000.00 dollars right?
Take out taxes directly 750.00
so I worked 40 hours and got 30 hours worth of money.
Now I go spend that money, here sales tax is 10%
so now I am down to 27 hours
A good portion goes to gasoline which is taxed more calced it works out to around 3 % of the total, so now I am at 24% (since the gas was purchased from the 30 hours income)
24 hours so far, now the products I bought supported the tax base of the company I bought it from, approx. 7% of the sales price is their taxes, which I pay, so I really got 22.3 hours worth of goods.
I also pay for the profit margin of the company approx 15% (from the 24 hours) so18.72 hours worth of goods, take out credti interests (mortgage and cards, and vehicle) and we can safely round that number down to 15 hrs
so I work 40 hours, and I get 15 hours worth of goods or services in exchange, THATS ONE HELL OF A DEAL. And we havent touched property tax, your local police tax, car registration, and on and on and on.
without all of that you get 37.5% of your hour worked in this system.
Lets look at barter, I work 1 hour for you, in exchange for you to work 1 hour for me. I got 100% of my hour in exchange, a perfectly efficient transaction.
Now if you deal with people who do not operate with the "Profit Maximization" business model, but they operate with the "fair and reasonable" business model then you can do hour for hour transactions all day long.
All you have to agree on is that your hour is worth mine, I don't care what you do, we all are limited in the time we will be here, and there is nothing more valuable than time we can not buy more time. So if you think your life is more valuable than mine, you are just a greedy bastard.
If you stood next to a cliff and watched someone fall, we you know damned well you could have saved them, I would say you indirectly murdered them.
People love to use doctors at this point, saying that their time is worth more than mine, and that I would pay anything if my wife or children needed the doctors help. If a doctor used my position (hanging from a cliff) to maximized his profit because of the threat of harm that might come to my loved one, he might as well have indirectly killed them.
Better yet, he might as well hold a gun to their head and demand me give him money, at least that form of robbery is honest.
People now say, well they have to spend so much on school. Thats only because the school knows how much they will make when they get out, again profit maximization, if it was hour for hour type transactions, then they wouldn't have a debt when they got out.
Again your life is not worth more than mine, and not worth less than mine either.
Jerry I am sorry but you are very ignorant. You do not have even a cursory understanding of how our taxes get spent, or where most of them come from. This is unfortunately very common. Please educate yourself, start here.
Your example is poor at best, and completely irrelevant.
You want defence, ok sure, first off, the fedral gov, should only be able to tax incoming and outgoing raw materials. Do you have any idea how much raw material we would export if we only exported raw materials? Imported also? The numbers are mind bogeling. But again would it be enough? Maybe not, (more probably it would) The current mil budget is around 480 billion.
Limiting the amount of money the feds can get would limit their spending, some we need, it takes away their blank check to endebt the next 4 generations.
We export trillions of tons of materials now, they get their cut of both the import and export, just think how much oil we import. You should get the idea.
Next place the feds can get money is to ASK the state governments, this means not only does congress and senate get to vote on it, the governer and state have to vote on it. This puts the control of the spending of money much closer to the people and their voting.
Back to barter, barter works for small transactions, but large ones done by businesses and govs has to use a place holder for the barter system/hour system, in order to have these notes you have to become a business, and to do business with these businesses you have to trade for these notes, this puts the taxation on those notes in plain view for all to see and understand.
You have a choice at that time, buy from a business, or buy by barter, which ever gets you what you want is a choice you can make, now you have the power of choice, and the ability to vote with your time/money.
Local governments are the only ones able to tax a busniess, and businesses are they only ones who pay tax, so if you don't like what your governements are doing, then take your money away, BY CHOICE. These local governements pay a portion of their gathered tax to the state, since the city exists in the state it pays its membership fees to the states,
the states pay its membership fees to the feds, a set percentage across the board, anything above that set percentage has to be a choice made at each level.
This means that elected officials will think long and hard before spending your money, they are very close to you at the local level. and your vote does count for something to them.
if a state gets a fedral money request, the state then approves it and sends the request to the local governement. if you don't like it, then you rally against it. If your local gov decides to pay, then vote them out.
If a local government doesnt pass the request, then they don't pay, if 40% of the cities veto the request, and 60% passes it, then the 60% pay the amount requested of them individually, the other don't pay.
If a state doesn't pass the request then it doesn't pay.
This means that statistacally the feds would get most of the money requested, IF it was a reasonable request. If not they don't get much money. If they don't do what they promised with the money, then they must pay it back. This means, that if they come up with a request, that kinda sucks, and they are only going to get 40% of the requested money, and that 40% won;t get the job done, then they recind the request, and don't take the money. because they know they will fail with too little money, and they don't want to pay from their own income. (imports/exports)
Or they can re-request more money from the willing states, or they can re-request from all states, but this time they need to convince us its worth while to spend the money.
Law making would work similarly, putting laws that affect individuals as close to the individual as possible.
this means the feds can't make laws that take rights away from us. If they want to do that, then they need to amend the damned constitution.
They have circumvented the ratification process, by making statute laws.
ACTS ARE NOT LAWS. acts have the power of law, only if you agree to the contract, and then it ACTS as a law. Its an ACT of the fedral governement ON YOU.
We need to teach these things in our public schools.
Quote from: d3adp00l on September 23, 2009, 01:13:55 AM
I really want a copy of that info att, is there anyway to get a copy.
Sheeze, d3, you're on a roll, you stay up all night on this stuff?
You keep this up and you'll have the worlds problems all solved before the rest of us have a chance to get -our- licks in (and that wouldn't be any fun, huh?).
Anyway, what info is that?
Tony
Quote from: d3adp00l on September 23, 2009, 01:10:58 AM
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I agree with you on all your points exxcom, But heres the rub, getting small businesses for a lot of things is not a possibilty in this business structure, there is so much regulation that no one can do it and make any money. This is a shame and will change.
Thank you d3. I didn't think you would have issue with any of the suggestions I laid out, and I'm glad that was a correct assumption.
These were laid out as suggestions because of the fact that freedom to choose is one of the most important rights the country I'm from (USA) was formed under, even though it may not be reflected in its (USA gov't) present day aims.
As to how the change you cite above will happen, there are 2 ways I see.
1.) Trying to legislate them out of existence.
2.) Mass refusal to live in fear of incarceration or persecution for refusing to obey those laws.
#1 has been tried time and again and has a very, very high failure rate.
#2 seems to be very faintly removed from complete anarchy, but does historically have some rather compelling evidence as to its effectiveness.
I'll leave it up to the individual as to which they deem best, but would like to offer the reason why I see these as the 2 major ways major change happens and why one may be more effective than the other.
It was a sci-fi short story I read when young and impressionable called "And Then There Were None" (no, not the Agatha Christie story of the same name.)
Read it here: http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php and see why it could have made such an impression on me. There are many other pieces of literature that say the same thing, but none I know of that are as easy and entertaining to read and understand.
P.S. #2 only works when you refuse to allow fear to rule your actions. Bravery is doing something even though you fear it for one reason or another. It takes others seeing your refusal to fear to empower them to make the same choices as you.
Quote from: d3adp00l on September 23, 2009, 01:10:58 AM
But to blame normal people who barely get by for shopping from walm@rt isn't really going to give a solution. Remember to put the blame of their actions squarely on wal marts shoulders. They made the choices not to buy their products from the US. Its easier to change that one decision than millions, and yet the result is the same.
I do blame the individual for walm@rt mentality (nice allegorical reference and much less ambiguous than mine), but not completely by any means. The reason I feel this way you point out in a later post:
Quote from: d3adp00l on September 23, 2009, 01:32:10 AM
Businesses exist because the community in which it exists allows it to, this business owes its exsistance to the community that created it, and it should exist only to benefit the community, not to hurt it.
I blame walm@rt administration for the little regard for the ramifications of their actions, and gov't for making that expansion and exportation so easy with tax breaks that allowed them to occupy the entire country in a relatively short time.
Walm@rt made the choices they did because they were rewarded for them with higher profits. The only way those profits occurred was because people allowed them to.
I can't fault people for making the "hard and fast" decision to maximize their purchasing dollar, but I can blame them for not thinking farther than that as to the ramifications of those decisions.
Walm@rt (and MANY other businesses!) and gov't just made it possible and easier for them to not think farther into the long range implications of their actions because TIME to think seems the scarcest commodity we have these days.
Quote from: d3adp00l on September 23, 2009, 01:10:58 AM
On your enumerated points, RIGHT THE F ON!!!!! exactly
Good to know I'm not alone. ;)
On some of the other points d3 and others make in later posts, I'd like to offer my 2¢ (I just noticed again the near impossibility to type that cent character. Hmmmmmmmm.....)
Money vs. Barter.
Money used to be almost the same as barter as you got a physical good (metallic coin) in payment for a good or service. You can do other things with that metal besides exchange it. You can fashion a tool or good from it, use it as a weight, etc.
It was still taxed (as it was manufactured by gov't of one type or another), but it had value outside just the idea of its worth.
Money (larger denominations anyway) then became an IDEA represented by a paper note that has little other use besides its destruction as you cannot use it for any other purpose besides exchange that will not destroy its perceived value in some way.
It has no use that can be converted back into either: an exchangeable form if it is used for another purpose, or a good that is equal to the value it had as money.
You're taxed if you make money, you're taxed when you spend money, you're taxed if you save money. That makes it very easy to reason that money = tax, and it's not always the tax you see clearly printed out.
The other "hidden" tax is the disproportionate percentage of that spent dollar that goes to one of these:
a.) The materials and machining to make the product
b.) The labor it takes to make and sell the product
c.) The administration that creates and governs the manufacture and sale of the product
Where do you think the largest percentage goes to? Why is that the place?
If you chose c, it's my opinion you are correct.
I don't think its irresponsible to reward that administration for the risks it took to create that manufacture, but I do think it's irresponsible for them to reward themselves again and again for taking that risk when it no longer is a risk by disproportionately taking a larger and larger percentage as time goes on.
Barter seems to mostly ignore the part c as that part is assumed to be in parts
a and b, and rightly should be.
People used to have and go to "barn raisings", and not just because of immediate personal benefit if it was their barn, but the benefit it afforded the community which came back in little benefits for everyone that over time that greatly outweighed immediate reward.
This dovetails nicely into the next point.
Local vs. foreign
The money saved by administration in exporting jobs to a cheaper environment works until those exports raise the standard of living in the land to which they were exported to the point where that country's standard of living supersedes the standard of living in the exporter country. Then wages and prices become higher there than they are "locally", and the pattern shifts back the opposite way.
It takes decades (if not longer) for this shift to happen, but history seems to have proven that it does in fact happen that way.
The people in the countries exported to benefit in the short run depending on whom is "cheaper" @ the moment, but who ALWAYS benefits?
Seems to me those that always benefit owe no allegiance to a country, but to the segment of society they are in, and act accordingly. It doesn't matter which country they are in, it matters how much they control that country (or those countries).
These OPINIONS I outline above seem to be very close to, if not outright communism. Does that mean we should go out and destroy the rich with physical force and abolish the notion of administration?
No.
Even communism has administration, and time has proved it can be as corrupt and self serving as any other form of gov't.
You can't have a society without some SORT of administration unless every individual is blessed with equal intelligence, and that just won't ever happen.
It all depends on what type of administration we choose to allow to happen.
My opinion is that we should stop obscenely rewarding a very small percentage of society for its administration, and that will only happen when a "hundredth monkey" paradigm shift occurs due to EDUCATION and reasoning. Things most don't seem to have TIME for these days.
Those that do have the time to think about these things (and seem to be paid for it) seem to be in administration. Hmmmmm.........
These are opinions only, and are worth what you paid for them = nothing (to simplify things greatly by not counting the cost of your PC, the time it took to learn to use it, the cost of your electricity to power it, the cost of your internet service, and the time spent to come to this thread and read my opinions).
They ONLY have worth if you take the time to think about why I might have personally felt it was worth my time to write them, how they could be reasoned to be right or wrong, and to take the time to post a response.
I invite debate on any and all opinions I have written as I value the time you may take to teach me their errors, if that's the way you choose to use your time and address them, as much as you've valued my opinions by choosing to respond to them. ;)
Now since I have no job bringing money in, I have to go spend my TIME weatherproofing the house so the little "extra" money I would otherwise spend inefficiently heating it can be saved this year, and next year, and the year after that to the greater benefit of myself and my community by forcing administration at the power company to lower costs because I need (pay) them less.
I'm only reason I'm here (OU) is because the only probable way I see the power company administration cutting costs (by cutting administrative wages or "workers", instead of cutting workers from other segments of the utility or buying cheaper foreign fuels), is if I (and many others) prove how much less they are needed via the profits they make.
Why didn't I just do that before when I had a job?
Because I didn't think I had the time it takes to invest in myself and my community that way.
Hmmm.......It seems time, and how I choose to spend it is the most important commodity I have.
See a pattern? ;)
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Good to know I'm not alone. ;)
Almost out of time on this computer, but I strongly agree with what you and some of the others say.
Think on your feet and think for yourself!
--Lee
att i was refering to that pdf. is that yours? i was under that impression.
Since a corporation is a legal fiction, and entity that exists by the will of the people, for the benefit of the people, it does not have the rights human beings have.
We have the right given to us by God to earn profit, to contract work, to sell goods, etc.
Businesses which employee humans and corporations do not have those rights, since we created them, we exist as a higher level of authority, but below God. As such we have the right to tell these entities what they can and can't do.
Personally I believe that a business should have the right to pay its employees, and to earn 10% profit, of which 5% is paid as a tax to the community in which it exists.
Corporations have the right to earn 20% profit, 10% of which is to be a tax paid to the community in which it exists.
Pay of people in a business or corporation should be limited.
This keeps the admin from simply paying themselves a rediculous amount and there by lowering their "profit".
People should trade hour for hour, regardless of their skill, or if they are working outside their skill.
Yes I do believe this. I am an electrician, if you ask me to dig a ditch, it is still taking my time, and lets say I suck at digging a ditch, in this system you would want to pay me less, But I say we should pay eachother the same rate no matter what. WHY?
Here is why, This will make people pay more attention to who you ask to do what. If you need a trench dug, you should find out who has a good reputation for digging trenches fast.
This makes people responsible for their own actions, if you don't do your homework, well then you learn. If you are trying to false advertise, you will be found out quickly.
This normally gets people wound up, "but I can't earn what I am worth, how can I get benefit from being good at what I do?, and on and on.
Heres how, if you suck, people won't ask you to work for them, so you must work for yourself in your field, to feed yourself, This will keep you from harming others, and will give you the ability to feed yourself.
If you are honorable and good at what you do, your reputation will be your reward, and people will seek you out to do work for them, and you will benefit from the fact that you will always be busy.
If you are really good at what you do, people will ask you to teach them, and in exchange for that you get to earn 5% profit on their time, and you get to help the community by paying 5% tax for the privilage of earning profit on others, 10% and 10% if you have stockholders and are a corp.
The stockholders are the owners of a corp, and they have the privilage to earn 10% on their investment, if they need a skilled person to run the corp, then they can hire someone and offer them part ownership.
Yes the individuals who buy things will have to pay more for a product made by a corp, but they know that extra money will benefit the community, and they get the benefit from a larger business for its stability.
This system will benefit all, and put the power in the hands of the people.
If you want to shirk your governments BS, then stop buying from businesses, this restricts their money, and riens them in, so you have an imediate, and direct recourse for your grievance against them. You don't have to wait years so you can try and vote someone else in, especially when in this system you are given only two real choices, and both are just as bad as the other.
Also, polictical parties should be illegal, just like gangs are. They hurt our communities, not help them.
I have an entire system for the election of officals.
I have spent a lot more than one night thinking this out, analyzing the intent of the constitution, and the assumptions of the founding fathers. Not because they were the ultimate intelect, but they have experience that I don't and they had a system that benefited the people.
Hour for Hour, a little more info.
Let me ask you this, what is the largest single investment most of us will make? Our home right.
at the peak of the market 500-600k was no big deal.
Lets say you bought that home for a bargain of 350k.
So what does that mean to you? Well if your a highly skilled worker you make around 25-30 per hour (if you also manage a crew normally)
So lets look at what that 30 year mortgage means to you. After interest you pay 2X the purchase price for the home (for simple math, I could amertize it, but...)
So 700K total cost to you, and you make 30 per hour, that means 23,333 hours of work to pay off that house and thats if you take 30$ home, taking taxes into consideration, it takes around 31,111 hours, if you paid every penny to the house, thats 14 years at 40 hours a week and 52 weeks a year.
14 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
are you insane?!?!?!?!
Do you know what it takes to build a house? well I do, it takes 400 manhours, and an equal dollar value in materials. Most contractors charge around 75 per hour so 30,000 in labor and 30,000 in materials. But lets go back to hours. 400 hours labor, and 400 hours worth of material
Thats 800 hours, Lets double that just to give room for error, so 1600 hours.
1600 hours is 40 weeks, or .769% of a year. Now I want you to think about this, could you build a house in that time? 40 weeks? Yes you could, I personally could do it less than half that time.
Do you now see how if you agree to trade hour for hour, how much you benefit. Sure you COULD charge twice what someone else does, but when you do, so does everyone else, and guess what you pay 14 years for what should cost you less than a year.
So by letting go of your short sited short term benefit, you gain huge amounts of life long benefit. You no longer need to try and get the absolute most money for your time, you just saved 1/2 to 1/3 of your adult life, imagine what else you could do.
How do you think we have so many people sitting on their ass pushing papers, both in govern, and in private businesses, because those of us who actually work are giving them our time our earnings so they can get paid.
@ ATT
I think d3 is meaning your PDF collection of useful knowledge you showed a screen shot of.
Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind a copy myself, if you would please sir.
I have a little library of my own that I'd be willing to barter/share, but not NEARLY as nice or organized as your "one stop shop" PDF solution. ;)
If size is an issue, could you burn it to DVD and send that if you were paypal'd postage and disk charges?
The directory listing isn't truly representative as some are sorted, some are not.
ya that. I would love a copy of wikipedia too, but I dont think you can get that since it can change.
It really is that simple. If the people of the United States KNEW somthing, they would burn down every factory the GOV gave money too. The real working people of the American World would burn wall street, and then and only then would the rest of the world understand that America is a free world. That WE the people only want want food water and shelter from the govs and CORPs that control fake gold for the american, dont get me fukn fukn started, I'll blow the whole fukn place up. Obama and every president before him up before the Brits invaded can suk my w-2/1099/ and some new form, I call it " I grow my own food here's my fuckn shotgun up your fuckn ass US.GOV, sorry sir I filed my .22 up ur wifes cunt, she liked no? Damn that Congressman, had i u known she liked big dick I could have had the guy making my guns fuck her" trust me , the gun makers wife wouldnt know, MWAHH
Quote from: d3adp00l on September 24, 2009, 01:27:26 AM
att i was refering to that pdf. is that yours? i was under that impression.
Quote from: exxcomm0n on September 24, 2009, 02:36:40 AM
Come to think of it, I wouldn't mind a copy myself, if you would please sir.
Guys, this collection was intended for personal use only and is in no way fit for public distribution, I'm sure you can guess why.
The post about using Acrobat to 'front-end' your file collection was intended as a 'helpul hint' or 'howto' on one way I found to centralize your file-access making it easier to navigate.
Give it a try, if you think a blow-by-blow 'instructable' would be in order, I'll put one together, but it's pretty self-explanatory as-is.
Tony
Hi Tony,
I can completely sympathize with the issues of possible legality of "sharing" purchased books, and thank you for taking the time to reply to us.
I hereby withdraw my request.
Your suggestion about building a database of DIY info is a very good one though, and as you see from my last post, is not something that I haven't thought of myself (although mine is not NEARLY as nice as yours).
I think I'll go for the web front end as I can hack up an index.html pointing to the docs in my files system easier than using Acrobat 5 (the newest copy i have) to build a front end.
Thank you for the suggestions though! You've got a nice library there!
Canned tuna from the store will last 20 years.Sugar as long as it stays dry will last 100 years.Honey never spoils.Learn the shelf lives of different foodstuffs and stock up on them.Also you can stock up on bars of soap and packs of smokes(shelf life about 6 months to a year,then they are dry).Bars of soap and packs of smokes are useful for barter.Just some useful info I thought I would toss in here.Cranberry sauce only lasts a year.Chlorine bleach 6 months.Triffid
@triffid, with respect to your post #90:
Very good. Couldn't have said it better myself. Just don't buy large quantities suddenly and then let anyone see you hide it. If you do let them, they could come looking for it later.
--Lee
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Quote from: triffid on September 25, 2009, 11:25:43 PM
Canned tuna from the store will last 20 years.Sugar as long as it stays dry will last 100 years.
Thanks Triffid, real good info.
For me, the best of all possible worlds would be to relocate to an area where there was water available even if utilities went down, a reasonable growing season, wood for heating, game you could hunt, fish you could catch, sun and/or hydro-power you could harness and neighbors you could count on as they count on you (but not too many, not too close).
Sounds pretty idyllic huh? There's still a lot of country out there just like that.
The keyword, at least for me, is 'sustainable', which means you can 'keep it going' once you set things in motion, so I have to commit to being 'in position' in time to deal with coming events, which fortunately, I can do since I don't have to live where I work or depend on a job for income because I have a decent retirement.
But the object here is to get to the point where 'income' is superfluous, because real value lies not in what you have, but in what you know and what you can do with your knowledge (you have to possess the background and skills -the 'chops'- it's going to take to pull it off, books alone won't save you).
Money's not going to buy much in the not too distant future anyway, so spend it while it's still able to get you things that will matter in the long run.
Having your stash together is important (we learned to do that out here a long time ago with fires, floods and earthquakes) but getting to a place where you can produce the things you need for your stash is the 'brass ring'.
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been puttin things together for sustainable living for a few years now. Pulsefuelnerd is on the land now breaking in some of the equipment and techniques.
A good library on farming would be good. But then again you need to understand that ALL the food you eat is GMO and can't be replanted from the seeds of the food. Heirloom seeds have a few definitions, seeds that strain is older than 50 years, some say 100 years, but the main point is this you can harvest the seeds and replant them.
So I think we can assume that everyone posting are in agreement, that the economic situation will continue to degrade.
specifically how, or yes is of minor contrivances.
Does anyone think the the economy will get better, and our debts less?
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Quote from: d3adp00l on September 26, 2009, 04:37:36 AM
But then again you need to understand that ALL the food you eat is GMO...Heirloom seeds...you can harvest the seeds and replant them.
All good points, and, yes, everything these days is GM in one way or another. An Heirloom stash is a must and staying in touch with other heirloom growers who you can trade seed with is a good idea too.
A lot of vegetables become 'localized' to their environment over time (they actually adapt to suit conditions, which may include making it easier for pests) so trading seeds helps to promote diversity and maintain healthier harvests.
Because all plants do this, the term 'heirloom' pretty much just means the seeds are viable and will reproduce, it doesn't necessarily mean you're eating the same tomato that was grown in 1867 (even though it may have come from that stock, originally).
If you grow in an area that has commercial farming nearby, take stock of what's being produced on the commercial farms, you don't want to cross-pollinate with any Monsanto(tm) GM produce, so grow something else instead and trade with others (farmer's market) who live in other locations for the produce you don't grow yourself.
Self-sufficiency and sustainable living takes a lot of work, a lot of know-how and goes a lot better if you 'network' with others like yourself (both near and far) to share your experience, knowledge, ideas, help, seeds and trials.
Tony
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Does anyone think the the economy will get better, and our debts less?
I took the liberty of creating a poll to reflect the thought above. Then I voted against the economy improving. History is replete with examples if boom-and-bust cycles of human, cultural and business activity.
NOTE:The polls and title bars of posts cannot be spell-checked. I *should* proof read them more diligently.
--Lee
Quote from: d3adp00l on September 26, 2009, 04:37:36 AM
Does anyone think the the economy will get better, and our debts less?
Well, *THE* economy will do some smoke-and-mirrors jumps and dives, fits and starts and eventually go down for the count.
While our 'personal' economies could be stable, not reliant on global economics and not dependent on FOREX dollar/euro values...If we put ourselves (individually) in a sustainable position.
So some economies will be OK and others won't do so well.
Tony
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Well, *THE* economy will do some smoke-and-mirrors jumps and dives, fits and starts and eventually go down for the count.
I had thought of adding the poll option: "No, it'll decline slowly as it's been doing" but I didn't know ahead of time someone might think of it.
Oh, well, too late to change it now, I think.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 26, 2009, 12:29:36 PM
I had thought of adding the poll option: "No, it'll decline slowly...
I think you got it right, Lee. I said 'fits and starts', I didn't necessarily mean that to be slow.
(but I currently think we're looking at 3-5 yrs, subject to revision...)
Tony
Hi Gents,
I think you're correct on quite a few points. Being outside of larger metropolitan areas is ALWAYS a good thing in my opinion, mostly since most of the modern day conveniences now seen as necessities are still not available out in the country and so the people act accordingly.
They plan when they shop because the convenient store is just as many miles away as the regular one.
They know how to fix most (if not all) machinery they rely on as a service call run into some serious money. They also try to fix older machinery as it was built without the aim of planned obsolescence.
Recycling happens @ home, and is not "destroy and remake", but reuse (and not always in the way of the products original use).
You know your neighbors!
On the point d3 makes about heirloom vs. GMO I'd like to throw out the suggestion that, if possible, try to frequent farmers markets in your area. These farmers (but NOT all of them) are interested in growing sustainable crops where the product that doesn't sell this year can be used for seeds next year.
Make sure to talk to them and find out farming practices as some things at a farmers market are the same things you get in stores, but with a marked up price.
(BTW, Monsanto is one of the very few businesses I would like to see completely eradicated from the face of the earth!)
They know the "tricks" for raising hormone and antibiotic free livestock, and livestock will be VERY important for food (meat, CHEESE, milk, eggs), clothing (wool, leather, feather down), and working stock (horses/oxen). Veterinary knowledge and animal husbandry will be important as well.
Here's a strange one........mushrooms.
Ones like portebellas, shitakes, maitakes, oyster, puffballs, etc. are pretty easy to raise, need little area and care to grow, and have very high protein content
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As much as it might be against the law were you are, HEMP will be an important product to raise. The pressed seed stock is what "gruel" was made from when the oil was pressed out of it and very nutrient/protein rich. It also makes good clothes and paper (in fact, worn out clothes were used for making paper back in the day).
EDIT 2: Re: triffids post. They do now sell large bags of tobacco for RYO (roll your own) that may store/freeze better than cigarette packs and tobacco seed might be a good crop to grow a small patch of for barter.
EDIT 3: Some good products to stockpile might be cocoa and coffee. tins of cocoa and cans of coffee should last quite a few years. A great re-use for 5 gallon plastic buckets is storing large quantities of dry goods. It works especially well if the buckets are filled with a heavy non-reactive gas like CO2 or nitrogen, filled with the dry good, and then sealed. When storing anything, oxygen and water are your biggest concerns.
I recall reading an article about some guy down under in au who used bicycle parts to run his house.They called him"Peter Petals".He could grind his grain with foot power.He even had a wind powered generator built from bike wheels to generate some power.He had taken one idea and had really run amuck with it.Then about 2 years ago I saw a tv show on a family in calif that $4.00 gas was not hurting.They had paid off their house and raised all or most of their food on a typical city house lot.They planted nearly every square inch of that property with something they could eat(even the flowers could be eaten).I remember they had 2 or 3 chickens too.Triffid
One thing I did was plant some food plants that look like weeds to the untrained eye on property that didn't belong to me.That was about 17 years ago.They produce a small tuber that I can eat.They grow on their own and to my knowlege they are still there growing for me. White French Articokes is what they are and they look like sunflowers.Triffid
I do believe that our money will worsten to a point where the government will cancel our money.Like post war germany did in June sunday 1948.Millions of germans knew their money was inflated,but few realized that they were to be canceled so suddenly altogether.Marks that would buy a house on saturday would not be sufficient in value to buy a winter coat on Sunday.Yes there were a staggering number of german suicides that JuneSunday in 1948.This is what I believe will happen here in about 20 years.All the cash you can save will be canceled and deemed worthless by the USA.Triffid
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Sounds like you have a pretty good handle on it, Triffid.
The urban-guerrilla gardening methods you describe are still popular, sometimes whole communities engage in planting edibles all over the city on public and private land, rarely do they run into opposition since, in most cases, they are improving the landscape at no cost to the owner.
The main problem with maintaining sustainability for that family you mentioned that planted 'every square foot' of their yard is that they have no room to 'rotate' their crops, so inevitably they will be plagued with blight and/or other pestilence which will diminish their yield in short order...you really need some land for practical growing of any duration.
Keep in mind that, depending on the severity of the downturn, water may become an issue in the city. Here in Southern California, we import most of our water from Northern California and the Colorado river. As the demand increases from greater L.A. and suburbs (read: most of southern California) and as snow-pack decreases, the ability to recharge aquifers and maintain reservoirs diminishes.
Drought increases the amount of water that has to be provided to urban areas in the south from northern California and the Colorado which, in turn, lessens the water available for irrigation to agriculture that dominates northern and central California and the Coachella valley and Imperial counties to the south.
This results in less farmed land, decreased produce avilability and higher prices.
Now imagine the scenario in the city if the pumps, gates and aquaducts started shutting down or there wasn't enough tax-base to maintain the infrastructure and the cities/state couldn't afford the manpower to keep things going and layed everybody off.
Think: rationing, national guard, military control, martial law, FEMA, ETC..
I'm actually not an 'alarmist', by any means, but I've experienced this sort of thing before and all it took was a 7.5 'quake to shut down water, electricity and phones (including cells), station armed guards at every grocery store to enforce rationing and bring out the marines from 29 Palms MCB to help maintain order ('92 Landers Quake).
Granted, that was a short-lived 'emergency' situation in a low-population area but think of what a more protracted (perhaps 'permanent') emergency in a high-density urban environment would entail.
In a severe downturn, urban areas are not where you want to be, there's too much dependence on infrastructure, too high a population density, competition for resources is elevated and centralized populations are among the first 'targets' for any 'stabilization' agendas.
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A lot of vegetables become 'localized' to their environment over time (they actually adapt to suit conditions, which may include making it easier for pests) so trading seeds helps to promote diversity and maintain healthier harvests.
I see a potential problem:
Bees have been disappearing from their hives. If they continue doing that, those crops that depend on them will eventually die out.
Corn doesn't need that, to my knowledge, but it's something to be aware of.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 27, 2009, 12:53:59 PM
Bees have been disappearing from their hives. If they continue doing that, those crops that depend on them will eventually die out.
Lee, bees are the premier pollinator, it's true, but they aren't the sole pollinator by any stretch.
http://www.pollinator.org/pollinationequation.htm
Regardless, the Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) continues to pose a significant threat to agriculture.
http://inspiredeconomist.com/2009/05/31/the-mysterious-disappearing-honey-bee/
The numbers for CCD are a little better this year, but not by much.
EDIT: Just to add: When I was 'living off the land' about 38 years ago, I had two hives and supers (which I didn't 'work') that were just for pollination.
You can provide the same 'pollination insurance' today with a strain of bees that is smaller than the familiar honey bee and is less likely to experience CCD to the same degree:
http://www.groworganic.com/item_PBE2000_Orchard_Mason_Bees_Unit_Of_20.html
http://www.groworganic.com/item_PBE2005_Canned_Bees_Kit.html
Tony
@ATT
With respect to your Post #105:
You're correct. Flies, butterflies, beetles and hummingbirds are just 4 types of animals that pollinate plants.
But, it may be that some species of butterflies and hummingbirds are suffering from habitat destruction by human encroachment? If so, even without economic collapse, the overall ecological future doesn't look good.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 27, 2009, 03:18:02 PM
But, it may be that some species of butterflies and hummingbirds are suffering from habitat destruction by human encroachment? If so, even without economic collapse, the overall ecological future doesn't look good.
Excellent point, Monarchs (which are the largest migratory species of butterfly in the northern hemisphere), appear to be in decline (or at least experiencing a change in migration habits), although hummingbirds seem to be holding their own, at least in rural areas like mine.
Which begs the question: Is economic collapse symptomatic of societal self-correction?
When presented with evidence of threat to the underlying foundation of food-chain based existence does that threat subliminally trigger a chain of events that will lead to the eventual reversal of the conditions that threaten?
Do conditions become intolerable to the point that it spurs an undoing of the causal factors and an eventual reversal of mindset?
Time will tell.
Tony
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Bumble bees have the highest immune system of the Bee family, I have not seen a decline in Bumble Bees on the coast or in the mountains nor in the farm land areas.
I live in the High Sierras, there are many types of bees here, other than Honey or Bumble and I really don't see a decline in the bee population nor in the fruiting of tree's or bushes unless winter is setting in of course.
we also have a very high population of humming birds, Humming birds don't pollinate much because they tend to cheat the flower when licking nectar, their tongue is used not so much their beak thus bypassing the pollen introduction to another plant.
Man kind will have to hybrid food plants to be single sexed so the plant pollenates itself. it would neither be male or female but both. Genetics can already do this so if bee's were to die off completely there would be a means of saving plants for food purposes.
mankind is the most adaptable species on this planet, even more so than the Cockroach! now if a Cockroach had the mind of a man, it would be dangerous! lol.
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Which begs the question: Is economic collapse symptomatic of societal self-correction? ... Do conditions become intolerable to the point that it spurs an undoing of the causal factors and an eventual reversal of mindset? ... Time will tell.
Yes, indeed. Up to this point, I've never seen it happen in recorded history.
And, don't forget the fish. Sea life is declining in many areas. Some oceanic countries depend on fish. I'm Scandinavian, and I know the sea was always important to my ancestors.
Then there's the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Spanish, Portuguese, South American, Carribean and Mediterranean countries.
--Lee
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ATT said:Yes, indeed. Up to this point, I've never seen it happen in recorded history.
And, don't forget the fish. Sea life is declining in many areas. Some oceanic countries depend on fish. I'm Scandinavian, and I know the sea was always important to my ancestors.
Then there's the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Spanish, Portuguese, South American, Carribean and Mediterranean countries.
--Lee
Do you have the natural decline numbers for these species in those areas of concern? it does make a difference. there is also natural selection numbers that are set apart from artificial decline(intervened by man). remember, suzy the T-Rex Dino that had cancer of the femor before mankind ever existed.
are we basing this on mankinds arrival?
some claim that man caused all these diseases. which isn't true. don't believe in the six thousand year mankind evolution either. it is not true.
Jerry ;)
Pessimist usually turn into terrorists. according to fanaticism, because they don't agree with the standard mid way of life. life in the middle. who chooses to be medium. life in the middle is better than life fully in the wrong.
will the God head ever learn how to reap those who are in the midst. i know you are in the future, you still don't comply.
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Quote from: the_big_m_in_okAnd, don't forget the fish. Sea life is declining in many areas.
We can also look at plankton die-off, 'dead water' with not enough oxygen content to support life and industrial waste, mercury, ect.
I think it's reasonable to assume that as conditions continue to decline the effects will continue to propagate throughout the food-chain, events would seem to bear this out.
Like I said: individually, we can't 'save the world', but we can strive to put ourselves and our families in the best position we can manage in order to optimize our chances.
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QuotePessimist usually turn into terrorists. according to fanaticism, because they don't agree with the standard mid way of life. life in the middle. who chooses to be medium. life in the middle is better than life fully in the wrong.
will the God head ever learn how to reap those who are in the midst. i know you are in the future, you still don't comply.
Jerry, you know what? Those are the most philosophical statements I've seen on this thread...I think.
What triggered that issuance?
Do you think any of us are being too pessimistic in our evaluation?
What most of us try to avoid here is outright 'alarmism', but at the same time we don't want to be lulled into the false comfort of absolute 'denial', so I guess one could say we're somewhere in the 'middle', depending on your point of reference.
There is nothing particularly pessimistic about stating current conditions, we didn't pull any of this stuff from PrisonPlanet or the like, it's all mainstream data, whether economic or environmental, the conclusions the data lead to are individually arrived at and subject to re-evaluation as new data comes into view.
Also, keep in mind these are opinions and opinions are always subject to change as new information becomes available, I haven't run into anybody on here that's a hard-core 'survive or die' evangelist.
I do, however, welcome your opinion, but you're going to have to come down a click from the metaphysical so a simple guy like me can understand what you're getting at.
(Those -are- pretty deep thoughts, though!)
Tony
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We can also look at plankton die-off, 'dead water' with not enough oxygen content to support life and industrial waste, mercury, ect.
Absolutely. Farm and lawn fertilizers add nitrogen---and especially---phosphorus to the ocean and cause plankton blooms to kill fish. I've seen this myself.
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Like I said: individually, we can't 'save the world', but we can strive to put ourselves and our families in the best position we can manage in order to optimize our chances.
Yep, right. It's about all the average person has the power to do. Taking on big business and city hall is like playing with a card deck stacked
against the gambling player and
for the gambling house dealer. Win against those odds? A miracle needs to happen, but I won't say it's impossible, just unlikely.
NOTE:
The term "gambling house" has a counterpart in Las Vegas that's a word which begins with 'C' and ends with 'O'. Here's the word: Casino. (Nothing left but the period.)
When I look at the preview screen, the word is deleted and replaced with blank spaces. That's because
I think all this and other types of publicly accessable software is being censored.--Lee
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Let's try this: c@sin0 and see if it flies.
It's censored primarily for self-preservation. The way the laws work when you have a site, you can be sued, charged or otherwise shut-down for even -linking- to content that's not allowed, so if one of your users posts a link that's questionable, -you- take the hit.
Anyway, that particular word is probably off-limits more for spamming-type reasons, but you never know...
BTW, most forum scripts let you enable a 'bad-words' list, as admin, you get to decide which words are allowed or not allowed, that's what's going on here.
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Thought I'd pass this on, just another point of view:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327271.700-population-overconsumption-is-the-real-problem.html
Tony
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Let's try this: c@sin0 and see if it flies.
It sure does. The software doesn't recognize the word as being banned.
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It's censored primarily for self-preservation. The way the laws work when you have a site, you can be sued, charged or otherwise shut-down for even -linking- to content that's not allowed, so if one of your users posts a link that's questionable, -you- take the hit.
Good thinking. Now I know more. I agree wholeheartedly.
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Anyway, that particular word is probably off-limits more for spamming-type reasons, but you never know...
Yeah, probably so. I'm fairly sure spammers can key on words to spider them or link to them.
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BTW, most forum scripts let you enable a 'bad-words' list, as admin, you get to decide which words are allowed or not allowed, that's what's going on here.
That follows. Software companies would use that as a selling point and customize the database filters. You bet.
BTW, I'll try and remember the word above and the go-around fix. I might still get a warning from the Moderators? Depends on the word?
--Lee
@ Lee
I don't think the moderators will get that upset by using a euphemistic representation for a "banned" word unless it is to degrade or attack another forum poster, at least they haven't when I have done the same (or worse) as typing c@sin0.
Many forum packages have an already populated ban-list which many just leave in place, but moderators don't actively scan for.
Stefan is a good site owner and uses (mostly) good judgment in allowing most posts that, while they may not be "PC" (politically correct), are not attacking another poster or race.
If he does censor a post or topic he addresses why he did it so that all members have an idea where the action came from and what about it made him do so.
He seems to choose moderators that share that definition of freedom of speech and expression, and listens when some claims unjust censorship.
@ all
The fact that you're at this site proves that you are all interested in new cleaner and self sufficient energy production. Present energy production methods and "needs" are the #1 type/cause of over consumption.
We all see it and do it in one way or another, or we'd have no interest in being here.
Being able to produce for your own power needs more cleanly takes out a large part of that over consumption, as well as taking a major step towards self sufficiency, and is a goal everyone should take seriously.
While I hate to think of myself as a "doom and gloom sayer" or "chicken little", it would seem from recent events that there is an ever increasing need for people to become self sufficient.
I do have to congratulate those active in this thread for looking into how to fend for themselves and their families for a variety of reasons, economic disaster being just one.
The loss of basic civil and human rights which give more power to gov't over the the people it governs seem to be happening with more and more regularity.
When this happens historically, it leads to those in power abusing those governed to the point of civic revolution.
If that would happen in the USA, self sufficiency would become a MUCH greater need than it's presently seen as.
The latest H1N1 fear campaign has me really starting to think that someone, somewhere is starting to size up large segments of society (if not the world, since it's "pandemic") for that nose ring I mentioned before.
T3rr0rism is a fairly recently coined term for what may have been otherwise been called revolutionary or freedom fighter. It evokes fear intrinsically from the base of it's name, being a term for extreme fear. Look at what freedoms you have lost because of recent "t3rr0rist" acts.
Remember the anthrax scare in the USA, and where it was ultimately reasoned it could have come from?
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/EPI/bioter/terroranthraxlinkedus.html and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks
The best advice I can think of is, THINK! Don't react in a knee jerk fashion.
It's been pointed out many times that the best way to control large parts of society is to keep them reacting to more and more fears (whether real, or manufactured) until they stop thinking and only react. Then they look to someone to tell them what to do instead of reasoning intelligently.
Be like a boy scout and Be Prepared. Being prepared assumes careful thought and planning.
Just because I have a first aid kit doesn't mean I expect I'll be using it.
But if I do need it , it's very nice that I thought about it and was prepared.
Think about what I said and please believe me when I tell you that I'm not trying to add another fear to the huge amount "news" tells us about everyday.
I'm just giving you something to think about and be prepared for.
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@exxcomm0n
Extremely thoughtful statement, well said.
The importance of exercising reason rather that falling into a purely reactionary response to adversity is that one remains in control of one's individual actions rather than submitting to that of 'herd' mentality, which leads, as you so aptly put, to the 'nose ring' syndrome.
Tony
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@exxcomm0n
Extremely thoughtful statement, well said.
Allow me to echo that for exxcomm0n's last post. Very well put. I think maybe if, as the Bible says,
"Those elect few" will be saved, I hope there's enough people to restart the country's population after the dire, potentially impending problems have been dealt with by the survivors.
(Actual smile on my face) "We live in hope." :)
--Lee
I anticipate that maybe if the Bible says, "Those accept few" will be saved, I achievement there's abundant humans to restart the country's citizenry afterward the dire, potentially approaching problems accept been dealt with by the survivors.
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I anticipate that maybe if the Bible says, "Those accept few" will be saved, I achievement there's abundant humans to restart the country's citizenry...
At least one place in the Bible(Book of Revelations?) is says 1/3 of (Israel?) will survive.
The Book of Enoch says about 10% at most.
This is enough of a genetic diversity to safely rebuild the human race---as long as people don't do as Abraham did and marry a very close relative.
--Lee
Thought I'd pass this on. The economy may not be the only disaster coming down the pipe:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427281.300-posthuman-earth-how-the-planet-will-recover-from-us.html
Here's another one that you'll appreciate, d3, this fault is just 15 min down the hill from me, but at least I'm on the side that 'won't fall in the ocean'...I think...
Lee, you might get some fallout from this too, it ends right about where you are...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8283873.stm
EDIT: Ran across this from Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/02/unemployment-economy-recession-business-beltway-jobs.html
After adjusting the outlook based on more reality-based insights, some expect it'll be 2017 before the job market gets back to where it was (if then).
Tony
another good reason to get more stuff into another state.
Quote from: d3adp00l on October 03, 2009, 12:27:42 AM
another good reason to get more stuff into another state.
I was going to post on another thread that:
1) The Gov't took the bailout money and bought a large share in AIG and several banks.
2) They legally own a lot of assets
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Potentially, by Executive Order, they also own the title to your house and car. (Some conspiracy theorists say this is true.)
4) They can(
if they wish) declare a trumped-up national emergency(Swine Flu) and round up whomever they want, for the public safety. They have the law on their side.
The thread I'm referring to above is in the
We can't live without the truth Forum under the ..."they mean business" thread.
--Lee
I have actually talked to my family doctor when I had my physical a week ago, he said, it will be no different that any other flu shot because the vaccine is a dead virus, not a live shot.
he said there is no chance of having a GB reaction as those of the live virus administered in the 70's.
our doctor is a really good friend of the family and he wouldn't lie about it.
if you have a good family doctor then ask them about it.
so far there has been no deaths or major symptoms of the current swine flu vaccine in clinical trials to my knowledge.
I think the paranoid fear mongers are brainwashing again to destablize our nation by spreading non peer reviewed researched propaganda to the public domain as usual.
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I think the paranoid fear mongers are brainwashing again to destablize our nation by spreading non peer reviewed researched propaganda to the public domain as usual.
Ok we are all paranoid. Don't forget to get your doctor to write you a prescription for Prozac whilst you are there getting your injection.
I asked a family member who is high up in a hospital (not in US). He said neither he nor any of his colleagues know any case of this fatal flu in any hospital.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on October 03, 2009, 05:10:42 AM
Ok we are all paranoid. Don't forget to get your doctor to write you a prescription for Prozac whilst you are there getting your injection.
Prozac might cut down on the amount of suicide bombers. to much mental illness going unchecked these days around the world.
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I asked a family member who is high up in a hospital (not in US). He said neither he nor any of his colleagues know any case of this fatal flu in any hospital.
as of 01 May 2009 - 7:00 PDT
Mexico
168 suspected deaths (less than a third of them confirmed so far)
Approximately 2000 to 2,500 suspected cases
US
1 death
109 confirmed cases (at least)
New Zealand
No deaths
4 confirmed cases and 12 probable cases
Canada
No deaths
34 confirmed cases
UK
No deaths
8 confirmed cases
Spain
No deaths
13 confirmed cases
Germany
No deaths
4 confirmed cases
Israel
No deaths
2 confirmed cases
Costa Rica
No deaths
2 confirmed cases
Austria
No deaths
1 confirmed case
The Netherlands (Holland)
No deaths
1 confirmed case
Switzerland
No deaths
1 confirmed Case
Confirmed cases of secondary transmission (the infected person caught it from another person in the same country) have been reported it the USA, Canada, Spain, and Germany.
I really don't see any reason to get a mandatory flu shot, I haven't heard of the military getting one yet so I think this forced H1N1 vaccine is a bunch of hype.
I myself have never had a flu shot and I haven't had the flu in over 8 years!
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so far there has been no deaths or major symptoms of the current swine flu vaccine in clinical trials to my knowledge.
I've never, ever had the flu.
When I was a teenager in Calif., There was two years of bad flu epidemics in my state. The first year, no one in my family got it, but the next time, they all got it except me.
I asked myself, "Why was that?"
It wasn't until I learned about the human gene CCR5delta32 that I may have found an answer. A double deletion
(important!) of the gene confers immunity to AIDS, Black Plague, hepatitis, (probably) tuberculosis and (possibly) the flu. Why? These diseases use a receptor in the nucleus of the white blood 'T' cells to gain access to the cell's interior, multiply there, and then destroy the cell.
(The gene is actually unnecessary in the body---no one really needs it live.)
Having
neither of these genes as deletions from both your parents is the key. If you have one deletion, you can last up to decades with AIDS, but you'll die eventually. Everyone else in my family probably had one deletion each and were partially immune to the flu. If I have both, I'm immune, which is why I don't get a flu shot every year.
The gene originated in Southern Scandinavia about 1,100-1,200 years ago and spread around mostly Northern Europe, the British Isles and Western Europe since then. Since it originated there, other races in the world have a normal set of genes from their parents and are susceptible to the diseases mentioned above.
(There was a research paper written to this effect, but I would have to look for it on the Internet.)
Re-edit:
Here is one...
Dating the Origin of the AIDS Resistance Allele by the Coalescence of HaplotypesAm J Hum Gene
62 (6):1507-15
American Journal of Human Genetics, Volume 62, issue #6, pgs. 1507-1515
--Lee
Now there are plenty of threads here about H1N1 and there is no reason to turn this one into another, but to address these recent posts about it since I seemed to be the one that introduced H1N1 into the topic (only as an aside), I'll give my last word to as why I may have below.
After this, could we please focus on the economic situation as the thread title suggests?
On the subject of the "flu"......
My "significant other" is an ICU nurse at an area hospital, and one of the more sane in our area.
After signing that she had "religious objection" to the regular flu shot, she (as well as everyone else, even non-ICU that abstains) now has to where a mask every shift of work from Oct. 1 to Feb. 1 (EDIT: errr....make that Apr. 1), and this is deemed a more "sane" hospital corporation because at least she only has to wear a mask.
The two other, larger hospital corporations in the area are threatening dismissal of workers for refusal to get a regular flu shot, let alone the H1N1 which is not available yet.
That seems a pretty serious trend towards forced vaccination even though your earning potential is used rather than political mandate.
You have to slowly corral the whole herd to before you can get them to march one by one into the chute.
News has always hyped the common flu and it's yearly coming, as it kills thousands per year that have weakened immune systems from already challenging pre-existing conditions like debilitation or extreme age.
So can the common cold.
So can any other viral or bacteriological illness.
The things that scares me about H1N1 vaccination is that National guard troops have not held training exercises for the effects of civil unrest due to vaccinations for the common cold or "regular" flu.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InX-0qvc2ww
(There is a more substantial Tube post of a local news story about training exercises but "YouTube is down for maintenance and will be back shortly." so I can't find it. Try this instead http://www.sunjournal.com/node/105339)
There has also never been an international campaign of fear through media for them either.
There hasn't been the rush for a new (and unproven or tested) vaccine for them either, but there certainly seems to have been for H1N1.
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/interactive_map/en/index.html
I would like onthecuttingedge2005 to post about these successful clinical trials, when they were performed, and by whom.
I would also like to ask where his statistical data of deaths vs. cases came from. I do not challenge those findings except to find out what health care organization compiled and released them as it would help greatly to validate them.
Let's take the Mexico numbers he posted as an example:
2000 to 2500 suspected cases approximately -
(which makes me wonder what percentage are confirmed, and what approximation was used.)
168 suspected deaths - with less than 1/3 confirmed = 56 approx., so let's say 50.
(with less than 1/3 confirmed, at least something is reported as confirmed.)
50/2500 = 10/500 = 1/50 or 2% mortality of the suspected approximation of H1N1 cases.
1 out of every 50 persons suspected of contracting H1N1 will die in Mexico.
If you use the entire population numbers from:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mx.html instead though........
50/111,212,000 = 5/11121200 = 1/2224240 of the entire population which is a LOT less scary.
About the regular flu.......
This story from 2003:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/07/health/main535605.shtml
....says "Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported. Flu deaths now average about 36,000 a year, up from 20,000 in previous estimates, the CDC said."
According to http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm this study was from data collected over a span from 1990 to 1999.
http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html says the TOTAL US population is at: 307,610,152 as of this morning, so using average mortality from 2003 against the approx. population of 2009 I get:
36000/307610000 = 36/307610 = 1/8545 approx. of the entire population, not reported cases.
If you take those numbers against the yearly reported cases from
http://www.flufacts.com/impact/statistics.aspx of 25 million to 50 million you get:
36000/50000000 = 36/50000 = 1/1388 best case scenario.
36000/25000000 = 36/25000 = 1/694 worst case scenario.
According to those numbers it would seem that the common flu is far more dangerous in the USA than the H1N1 flu is in Mexico.
But all of these numbers are dependent on "suspected approximations" or reported cases.
There are no hard numbers when dealing with medical situations because of mis-diagnosis and unreported cases.
I know I shouldn't compare Mexico with the USA as there are many different factors that effect these numbers, but I'd expect mortality in Mexico to be higher than the USA in almost all situations.
But using those numbers above, it seems the amount of HYPE about the H1N1 is astronomical when compared to the "devil we know" common flu, doesn't it?
Now, can we get back to gov't stupidity and the weak faith in the idea of money here?
H1N1 was only one of the 3 reasons i thought self preparedness might be a good idea.
P.S. I just yesterday saw an article in the newspaper that said that Armed Forces were of the first to be getting vaccinated, and that IS mandatory.
@exxcomm0n, with respect to your Post #136
The only thing further I'll say about the H1N1 Swine Flu is the the Gov't over-reaction to non-compliance against immunization points to something---in my opinion---ulterior in their stance. This "stance", as I put it, can cause people to grip their weapons tighter as a result.
That reaction, if it happens, can cause a backlash amongst Americans that could hasten the "Collapse". That's my point.
Otherwise, you're correct and I agree, the H1N1 conversation was an off topic distraction. Enough said.
--Lee
Id say more of a different aspect of the same agenda than a distraction Lee.
Regards...
Lee,
I brought it into the discussion and so ultimately it is my fault.
It certainly has not been the only scare tactic within the last decade, but it is the most pervasive one.
My plea to return to the original topic was about it being a indicator, but not a reason for an entire post in this topic.
Then I made an entire post about it. ;)
I apologize for bringing it into the discussion, and most of the blame should be centered upon me.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on October 03, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
Id say more of a different aspect of the same agenda than a distraction Lee.
Regards...
@Cap-Z-ro
Could be true. I've paid particular attention to this thread and my patent thread on the
Extracting... forum and their topic replies, and there are quite a few other threads to monitor, especially for hartiberlin.
I'll try and always to stay focused on the topic at hand
...and not answer further posts on the subject of the flu on this thread.--Lee
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...I apologize for bringing it into the discussion, and most of the blame should be centered upon me.
Apology accepted. I wasn't bothered by it.
--Lee
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 03, 2009, 01:53:53 AM
I have actually talked to my family doctor when I had my physical a week ago, he said, it will be no different that any other flu shot because the vaccine is a dead virus, not a live shot.
he said there is no chance of having a GB reaction as those of the live virus administered in the 70's.
our doctor is a really good friend of the family and he wouldn't lie about it.
if you have a good family doctor then ask them about it.
so far there has been no deaths or major symptoms of the current swine flu vaccine in clinical trials to my knowledge.
I think the paranoid fear mongers are brainwashing again to destablize our nation by spreading non peer reviewed researched propaganda to the public domain as usual.
Your doctor has not done any indepedant study into it. He is assuming these things.
It is after all his medical opinion, and he is still "practicing" medicine.
When they become professionals, maybe we will have something to work with.
All threads seem to veer off in other directions and then refocus Lee.
At least you were in a related area.
I can't recall ever making an off topic post myself though.
Is anyone as upset as I am with the off season player changes made by the Blackhawks ?
Regards...
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Speaking of collapse and the relative safety of more rural areas, have a look at this little Montana town:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/american_police_force_hardin_montana.php
Tony
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old news now, but yes, wierd shit going on there.
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Speaking of collapse and the relative safety of more rural areas, have a look at this little Montana town:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/american_police_force_hardin_montana.php
Hey Tony,
You have a point with the news article. The flu shots are a ploy. Look out. They'll have a riot on their hands when they try and take the guns away from rural Western States residents.
The collapse will arrive sooner.
--Lee
Quote from: d3adp00l on October 03, 2009, 07:11:25 PM
Your doctor has not done any indepedant study into it. He is assuming these things.
now how would you know that? are you, assuming?
with all the H1N1 information in the patient treatment rooms it sounds to me like he has been getting and studying info about the H1N1 vaccine.
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It is after all his medical opinion, and he is still "practicing" medicine.
the local doctor around here has to keep on top of the information concerning the H1N1 vaccine or this little town would railroad him in the blink of an eye, he has to be very careful not to do the wrong thing.
there has been clinical trials of already injected H1N1 vaccine into trial patients and none and I repeat again, none have had any major symptoms nor has there been any GB reactions nor has there been any deaths with the current vaccine.
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When they become professionals, maybe we will have something to work with.
find a professional MD, PHD and ask them about the H1N1 instead of basing what you know on what other people assume through internet based paranoia.
please use the spell check, it comes in handy when trying to sound like you know what you are talking about.
stick to peer reviewed research and not some internet baffoon trying to freak people out with 'assumed' research.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 04, 2009, 02:07:53 AM
there has been clinical trials of already injected H1N1 vaccine into trial patients and none and I repeat again, none have had any major symptoms nor has there been any GB reactions nor has there been any deaths with the current vaccine.
find a professional MD, PHD and ask them about the H1N1 instead of basing what you know on what other people assume through internet based paranoia.
please use the spell check, it comes in handy when trying to sound like you know what you are talking about.
stick to peer reviewed research and not some internet baffoon trying to freak people out with 'assumed' research.
WTF??
I asked for your sources for your statements, and you come back with attacks on the statements of another member?
d3, from all I've seen and read , isn't much of a
buffoon (which I think is what your "use spell check" ass was striving to impart).
I LIVE with a medical services professional, I get to hear about what Dr's say whether I want to or not. Many are not getting the shot for various reasons.
Now that I have transgressed yet again against the topic of this thread, will you leave off yammering about something you obviously know nothing about that
is not within the scope of the thread subject, and yammer on about
the subject, of which I assume your depth of insight is the same?
Better yet, answer my queries of you in post #131, and give reference articles please?
Thank you
Quote from: exxcomm0n on October 04, 2009, 03:10:43 AM
WTF??
I asked for your sources for your statements, and you come back with attacks on the statements of another member?
d3, from all I've seen and read , isn't much of a buffoon (which I think is what your "use spell check" ass was striving to impart).
I LIVE with a medical services professional, I get to hear about what Dr's say whether I want to or not. Many are not getting the shot for various reasons.
Now that I have transgressed yet again against the topic of this thread, will you leave off yammering about something you obviously know nothing about that is not within the scope of the thread subject, and yammer on about the subject, of which I assume your depth of insight is the same?
Better yet, answer my queries of you in post #131, and give reference articles please?
Thank you
Hi exxcomm0n.
If you want to discuss this then open a topic other than this thread, it doesn't belong here. you can do a google search for the clinical trials.
enough said.
Jerry 8)
I believe the fact that a patent was was filed for the vaccine 1 year before the virus supposedly existed speaks to agenda afoot here.
An unpleasant stay and a short stay on the site is the end result of unprovoked attacks other members.
Regards...
Hi Jerry
Interesting.
But it makes no sense to open another topic to question statements you made in this one as you will probably selectively ignore it, like posts in this thread.
I cite sources in my arguments, and they don't agree with those you post without such.
What a difference 26 days can make, since that is the only piece of information I have from your statistics other than their discrepancy with the ones I found .
'Nuff said ;)
@ Cap
It does make you wonder, eh?
EDIT:
Some additional info to help research Cap's post.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/276194
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18224172/Baxter-H1N1-Vaccine-Patent-Application
Back in the spirit of the thread topic -
I decided to take the inestimable advice of Jerry and "google it" on some topics that have relevance to the thread.
At first I tried "world economic health" since it is a common euphemism used in financial circles.
It was disappointing as there was lots of flu reference in the results, but I did glean these choice tidbits:
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=26686&Cr=desa&Cr1=
(but it is over 1 yr. old and does not reflect the events of the past year.)
http://www.economywatch.com/world_economy/
Then I tried "USA economic failure", but was returned far left/right wing sites touting their respective philosophies as to why it's happening.
I'll start paying them more attention when they HAVEN'T been the 2 ruling political parties in this country for approx. 100 years.
From there I went to "world economic trends", but it's "read between the lines" sort of information. It looks good until you start picking at it.
Take a look here:
http://gsociology.icaap.org/report/econ/econsum.html
I finally settled on "USA economic projections" as I was running out of steam and the prior information was emotionally draining.
http://www.bls.gov/emp/emptab1.htm (http://www.bls.gov/emp/emptab1.htm) is a projection of occupational percentages of the population and is projected to be pretty stagnant over the next 10 years.
I thought it interesting that declines, or no growth were noted in the majority.
Professional and service ("You want fries with that?") occupations are the areas with gains, but it still doesn't tell me what percentage of the workforce will be able to find work.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/fomcminutes20080130ep.htm (http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/fomcminutes20080130ep.htm) was then found and gives you an idea of where the news is getting its figures and projections from.
That's it, I'm bushed. There is only so much political/financial crap I can stomach per day.
The existence of a vaccine for a virus that wasn't in existence takes most people past the point of wonderment excomm.
And it is the neurotoxins in all prior "vaccines" which impair the brains ability to process information.
Ergo, some still can't recognize the 'in your face' significance of a "cure" being invented before the disease manifests itself.
Regards...
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If you want to discuss this then open a topic other than this thread, it doesn't belong here. you can do a google search for the clinical trials.
Am I going out on a limb with this?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7998.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8094.0
Both threads deal with the H1N1 Swine Flu issue. Plenty of room on the IP server's hard drive to upload data for discussion.
--Lee
While I'm not really into the survivalistic shtuff (which is what this thread was sort of about last time I looked), I thought some of you here might find these things interesting, http://www.lifesaversystems.com/index.html as maintaining access to a drinkable water supply could be very problematic if what some of you are anticipating actually comes to pass. Hell, I'm tempted to get one anyway, could come in handy in any case.
appreciate the confidence Ex.
Ok back on topic.
An FYI does anyone know or understand who is involved with the g20, and g8?
In the g20 there are only 19 countries,
in the g8 there are 9 members.
guess who is the odd man out, its the central bank of Europe.
So let me get this straight, the countries sit down and have a meeting with the bank, it sounds like debt negotiation to me, with the bank giving orders.
The new unemployment numbers are up again, the real unemployment it close to 25-27%, what do you think this down spin in jobs will do?
The home foreclosure rate is up, and the sales supposedly came up a bit. Well sure thats what it looks like. As home foreclose they get sold at auction, which is still a sale.
The central valley in california, 1 million arces, is getting its water shut off.
Seriously how can you expect a recovery when the most basic forms of the economy is destroyed.
Lets establish a few things. ALL economy is based ultimately on agriculture. Second to that is construction, after that is manufacturing. Energy is a modifier to those industries.
A simple critical path method of econ analysis is all that is needed. Wallstreet can not fix this, government spending can not fix this. Increasing our true worth is the only way.
So as people limit their expenses, and the gov. and big biz. continue to siphon off their share, which reduces the amount of money flowing back into the economy.
This whole system is just a ponzy scheme, with the gov.s and big biz being the ones telling us that if we just play our part we could be like them, we could have the wealth they have.
Well here is the problem with that, money is a commodity according to this system right? So in order for it to have value there has to be a demand with a limited supply.
So if we could actually acquire some wealth, their wealth would be worth less, because we as a whole would desire their money less, because we have our own.
This is a classic scam, a Tom sawyer if you will. Make everyone desire what it is that you have, and keep them in wanting.
How to keep them in wanting, well make sure that most (90%) can never get there, put enough taxes, profit margins, indirect taxes, credit charges, interest rates, etc. So that if you don't start out with enough money to be on the inside, the likelyhood of you getting in the inside is slim.
Its just like the lotto system, "you can only win if you play" but if you play in this system you can only hope to break even. Every once in a while they have to let someone win, otherwise no one would play.
This system has to fail, its designed to do it. Any system that has interest on it will always fail. Its percentage of waste grows exponentially.
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This system has to fail, its designed to do it. Any system that has interest on it will always fail. Its percentage of waste grows exponentially.
Yes, exactly. Several original religious founders around the world had said the same thing. Greed is its own punishment, as it were.
I read an Internet presentation in .PDF once(might be gone now) that indicated on the "Conclusions" page, last paragraph...
In effect, hunter/gatherer cultures had existed for 1,000,000 years until the last 8,000 years or so. If there was a drought, earthquake, tidal wave, etc, the tribe could survive with some difficulty.
But when civilization was invented, the greedy religious/military/business class took control. Famine and competition for food became a chronic feature in many societies.
People could often cope until then. But not since then.
Another collapse is coming for the same reason the others happened. "Business as usual."
--Lee
Damn, there goes d3 making sense again.
I think everyone is comfortable with the idea that most gov't economic systems are ponzi schemes that have run out of new investors to fleece.
It was a lot easier when there were plenty of raw materials to steal and exploit but population density has kind of killed that possibility.
So major questions are:
How long do you think it will be before the lack of economic growth is so prevalent that it will be hard to deny no matter what the news says causing a collapse or the announcement of military action on domestic soil to "keep the peace"?
How prepared are you?
If it happened tomorrow would you be ready?
What will be the major indicators that you will use to know that a very bad situation is SOON?
How long will you wait before you know it's time to either get out or batten down the hatches?
Can you feed you and yours until next harvest season?
Can you provide a fully balanced diet during that time?
How will you provide for your energy needs if the grid or gas station is unavailable?
How will you communicate? What will be your sources of news?
Can you organize, or be a part of a well rounded self sufficient community or will it all be DIY?
I really don't expect answers to each of these points from members of the forum, but I wanted to throw them out there to give you (and myself) some parameters of what will be necessary should the worst case scenario be realized.
Since it was recommended to me that I start a new thread, I believe I will, but I will choose a different subject than what was recommended.
It'll be questions like these that anyone else can use as a preparedness checklist to see how ready for self sufficiency they really are.
Again, I don't do this to scare anyone, but by the time most people think it's time to head for the hills, it's already too late.
how prepared?
fair
tomorrow?
not as much as I would like to be, But I could make what I have work.
Bad situation?
As far as I am concerned, I don't like what I see already. And frankly I don't like knowing what I know about how it all works. So either way I want a change. But indicators, martial law declared anywhere in the US, any local catastrophies, certain laws being enforced, anyone coming and violating my rights in my home, or anyone I know.
How long?
after I see one of the above, its time to move and move fast. I figure 24hrs to a week at most. Batten down the hatches? not where I live.
Can I feed?
yes I believe I can
diet?
same as above
Power?
solar for now, a small grid, working on more, and biogas plant. As far as vehicle fuel, thats a situation no joy right now. Unless you count horses.
Working on establishing bio type fuels, and switching over vehicles to run it, veg oil and diesels.
Comm?
Local comm with short range radios, have the standard multiband windup radios for listening. Long range comm, looking into HAM, but I am not real familiar with it yet, and its not biggest on the list, finishing power is.
Community?
have a few that would go with, some are certain, some are maybes, most are see ya if the dust settles.
One question not asked, water?
I figure it this way, this system is built on everyone subscribing to it, if we stop doing that it gets weaker, and by negative relief, us stronger. So I am choosing to participate as little as is possible. I will vote with my dollar, or the lack of it. Am I choosing to be poor? I don't believe so. I am choosing to be in control of the transactions I participate in.
I am choosing not to make money from nothing. In my opinion people who want to do that are part of the problem.
OK guys. I know the economic collapsapse is near. I am in agreement with you but with causion. You are thinking of saving yourselves. It is an instively generated action. I think mankind has come to the point that must (by force if have to) realize that we are part of a same collective.
I don't know what is exactly facing us tomorrow but what ever it is, together we can over-come it for sure.
I know this is too idealistic but this will be the future.
The concept of every man for himself has brought us where we are today.
While it is a great and noble thing to be charitable to your fellow man, charity starts at home.
If I blew off getting a big screen because I thought a 5000W generator would be a better purchase, friends laugh at me on Superbowl Sunday.
But if a hurricane, flood, fire, or tornado knocks out power in my area for a week, guess who's comes around asking if they can borrow it?
I'm all for helping my fellow man, and will do so any chance I get, but I have a hard time justifying it when I spent my time and money preparing for a situation, and they spent their time catering to their creature comforts as if the future would always be sunny and bright.
I will definitely not do so if it threatens the well being of my family or myself. Everyone makes choices that effect their life and as much as I try to give good advice, I can't justify giving away what I've worked hard for just because others thought my advice silly and did not heed it until it was too late.
No, I am not talking about charity. I think charity is wrong.
I am talking about a paradim shift where every one see's their fullfiment
through enabling others to get what they want.
I think a lot of the problems we individually have is because of the personal
insecurities we have. In the societyf where every one feels secure they will not become greedy, hoarders etc. They would become what their true nature drives them to be. ( hopefully positive!)
I am not talking about a society where the state would do these things but each person himself would feel he has to be a selfless giver.
By the way I do believe that it is a doctine of the NWO social engineers to even destroy the family unit so, I think what I am talking about is premature and will not transpire until we come out of the other side of NWO tyranical black-hole.
Quote from: MasterPlasterNo, I am not talking about charity. I think charity is wrong.
Charity has it's place, however, if you 'teach a man to fish' and he doesn't and then you continue to 'give a man a fish', you perpetuate dependence.
QuoteI am talking about a paradim shift where every one see's their fulfillment through enabling others to get what they want...not become greedy...They would become what their true nature drives them to be
The reality-check here is that although our success as a species is, to a large degree, the result of our ability to cooperate as a group beyond family or tribe, there are personality characteristics that persist in many that include the agressive, the ruthless and the sociopathic.
The assumption of altruism for all individuals as the basis for societal stability isn't workable, that's why we have laws.
QuoteI think a lot of the problems we individually have is because of the personal insecurities we have.
That can certainly be the case. Another attribute of insecurity is denial, which results in doing nothing while waiting for the world to 'get better'.
QuoteBy the way I do believe that it is a doctine of the NWO social engineers to even destroy the family
Replacing primary allegiance to the family with primary allegiance to the 'State' is an ancient ploy, I have no doubt that it's among the items in any agendas' 'bag of tricks'.
1) The biggest is, in my opinion: investors an brokers are---still!---buying, selling and trading "credit default swaps" on Wall St.
These financial instruments are what the economic meltdown is largely about and are *said* to be worth a quadrillion dollars($1,000,000,000,000). Even if they could be paid off, the interest and principal would amount to 5-10 times that much and take generations to pay off.
2) The war in AfPak(Afghanistan & Pakistan) costs trillions and cannot be won militarily. The money is still *going down the drain* and the rate of expenditure cannot be maintained.
3) This is bad: Here in California and elsewhere, Adjustable Rate Mortgages and other subprime loans are about to reset at a higher higher rate in a few months for millions of people nationwide. Up to 8,000,000 households could be affected.
They might apply to overworked social services, move in with financially strapped relatives, or live on the streets. There isn't much else they can do.
4) Continued unemployment is a serious concern. Those who stop looking for work amount to twice the *official* rate. In California it's about 25% total, and in the Northern states, it's probably higher than that.
5) The federal deficit is large enough that money is being printed to pay the people and institutions who need the economic stimulus. The bailout of the banks only allowed the Gov't to buy up bank assets and assume control of the banks. They own large chunks of the American economy and may assume(?) landlordship of many assets in this country.
Do go and see Capitalism: A Love Story by Michael Moore in theaters now. It's 2 1/2 hrs long, but it got an applause from the audience at the end when I saw it.
6) The conspiracy theorists maintain there's a takeover coming when the Gov't tries to force Americans to take the flu/Swine Flu shot and then incarcerate those who refuse to comply in concentration camps for their own safety(epidemic/pandemic in progress). They need to disarm everyone to begin that and gun owners are going to sit still for that. The economic/political/social ramifications are huge.
To sum up:
At the beginning of Michael Moore's movie, he draws parallels between the ancient Roman Empire, which collapsed in the Fifth Century, and present-day America. His analysis of the similarities are striking and I agree with them. Nothing last forever, and, of course, the increasingly popular 2012 scenario(s) are becoming more prominent in some people's minds.
Something has to give. Business as usual doesn't work any more.
Quote from: lwh on October 04, 2009, 04:58:23 PM
While I'm not really into the survivalistic shtuff (which is what this thread was sort of about last time I looked), I thought some of you here might find these things interesting, http://www.lifesaversystems.com/index.html as maintaining access to a drinkable water supply could be very problematic if what some of you are anticipating actually comes to pass. Hell, I'm tempted to get one anyway, could come in handy in any case.
Just to update this, I sent an e-mail to both the Australian (where I'm at) and the U.S contact addresses on the 5th and 19th of October asking about prices and delivery and still haven't heard back from either. These things sure aren't taking off like they could, or probably should, and the few (three in the whole world?) sellers aren't helping by not responding to e-mails. There are phone numbers I can try but I don't want to be given the same treatment over the phone. Makes me wonder.
lwh said:
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... the few (three in the whole world?) sellers aren't helping by not responding to e-mails. There are phone numbers I can try but I don't want to be given the same treatment over the phone. Makes me wonder.
@lwh
Can you get to the street address for their office in Australia? If they're closed, you have your answer.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on October 23, 2009, 03:50:19 PM
Can you get to the street address for their office in Australia? If they're closed, you have your answer.
--Lee
Funnily enough, in all of the places they could have been in the whole country, they're just about 10-15 kilometers from where I am. Looked them up with Google earth and it looks like they must be in a strip of businesses fronting a light industrial area. I can't get there easily though so I'll probably try giving them a call. However, buying unusual imported things here often involves ridiculous price mark-ups, sometimes to the point where it's cheaper to just get it sent over from somewhere else. That's why I was interested in hearing from the U.S seller too.
I was also fishing to see if anyone here has actually bought one of these things from anywhere, as I must admit I've been starting to wonder if there might be some kind of suppression or obstructing of this technology going on.
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Funnily enough, in all of the places they could have been in the whole country, they're just about 10-15 kilometers from where I am. Looked them up with Google earth and it looks like they must be in a strip of businesses fronting a light industrial area.
Right. Lots of businesses like that in the States. Then there's the malls. ::)
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I can't get there easily though so I'll probably try giving them a call. However, buying unusual imported things here often involves ridiculous price mark-ups, sometimes to the point where it's cheaper to just get it sent over from somewhere else. That's why I was interested in hearing from the U.S seller too.
Well, Australia is quite a ways from the U.S. and Europe. Asia is nearby,though.
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I was also fishing to see if anyone here has actually bought one of these things from anywhere, as I must admit I've been starting to wonder if there might be some kind of suppression or obstructing of this technology going on.
There are patents in large numbers for water purifiers and oceanic water desalinators. That might be some of the problem. "Proprietary information", you know. That way they can corner the market, so to speak.
But, back on the topic:
The current commercial property and office building market bubble is about to pop. Loans were issued for top prices and these prices are severely depressed now. Retail revenue is insufficient to keep up payments
and loans are about to reset to higher payments in 6-12 months.
That's not all:
Thousands of home loans here in Northern California are also about to reset to higher rates. This is very serious. The "recovery" could end.
Lastly,
British analysts predict the English housing prices could fall 20-40% further unless something is done to reverse the trend with refinancing or other means.
Also dire for the Europeans: Milk prices are terribly low for the Western Europeans. A large segment of the European economy is "hanging on a cliff."
--Lee
You guys should check out this website www.grandpappy.info/ .There is a lot of info on how to survive the hard times coming including shelf lives of canned foods,dry foods,and drugs.Most canned goods will last 46 years.90% of the drugs the US miltary tested were safe and effective 15 years later.Nitroglycerin,insulin, & fishoil pills not safe after expiration dates.Salt,baking soda,&sugar can last forever if stored properly.Bottled water is good for 18 months.30 years for dry goods such as white rice,wheat,pinto beans,macaroni,rolled oats and potato flakes.Keep in proper sealed containers away from insects,heat and light.20 years for powdered milk.Sounds like to me this website should be checked out for all the other info I have not mentioned.Triffid
2010 and 2012 both look like real hard times coming to me.triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 25, 2009, 10:52:07 PM
2010 and 2012 both look like real hard times coming to me.triffid
Right, triffid. Do what you can to get off by yourself and think of ways to survive. I'll start shortly, by moving to a less traveled part of San Francisco for the practice.
I think I'll need it.
--Lee
http://www.grandpappy.info/ does a lot more than just tell shelf lives of stuff.He says what to do the last day of normal civilization.To survive.The day the banks close and your atm card won't work.You can't buy anything because the stores close too.Then the looting starts.He even says that there will be those who bring guns to the looting so they can take from you what you looted.Really an eye opener.If you are stuck in traffic in gridlock.He says it will be years before you can move the car again.He also offers recipes without the use of eggs.Since you won't be able to get them.The whole website makes me wonder when this will happen.Triffid
Hey guys, I just ran across this, had to post it, check it out.
http://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html
Tony
Quote from: ATT on October 27, 2009, 12:22:48 AM
Hey guys, I just ran across this, had to post it, check it out.
http://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html
Tony
Hey Tony,
I remember seeing in an economically-oriented article a few months ago, that during the Great Depression, average house prices fell to about $70,000--80,000 when adjusted for yearly inflation.
It might get worse than that this time. A lot of money has been lost already.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on October 26, 2009, 11:41:04 AM
http://www.grandpappy.info/ does a lot more than just tell shelf lives of stuff.He says what to do the last day of normal civilization.To survive.The day the banks close and your atm card won't work.You can't buy anything because the stores close too.Then the looting starts.He even says that there will be those who bring guns to the looting so they can take from you what you looted.Really an eye opener.If you are stuck in traffic in gridlock.He says it will be years before you can move the car again.He also offers recipes without the use of eggs.Since you won't be able to get them.The whole website makes me wonder when this will happen.Triffid
Thank you triffid for that website very good and informative stuff there,
Thanks.
Yes something is definitely going in the wrong direction and soon. Just take a look at some of the Communism and Corruption of the Inner Circle of the White House.
http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/7949/ (http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/7949/)
I'm actually looking foward to the whole fuckn pile of world shit hitting the world fan, I'll be running beer and rice!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25W908awEqg
Fun info from yt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG40TsRTTqo
Understand ur needs as a human to survive from your wants, u need 4 things, firepower,firepower,firepower, and food.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5NIQQX_7vY
You are very welcome.I think that knowledge is power and action dispells fear.So www.grandpappy.info provides an outline of what foods and drugs one can stock up on. www.couponmom.com helps out with the coupon side of grocery shopping.Gives you deals in all 50 states. www.gasbuddy.com gives you the cheapest gas in your area.99% of all coupons are merely thrown away.That was over 300 billion dollars worth last year.triffid
One can stock up on bars of soap and smokes for barter,I guess.Triffid
Even the World Banks are screwed... Time to pay the fiddler.
Last two You-Tubes on the page will sum it all up.
http://www.riseupforamerica.com/worldbanksrule.html
I've been busy trying to make a difference and had to put FE on the backburners but just like Herpes.., I'll be back.
Quote from: triffid on October 28, 2009, 12:40:13 PM
One can stock up on bars of soap and smokes for barter,I guess.Triffid
Good idea, triffid.
I have a small storage unit to put things like cans of food, electronic parts for a radiant energy wire system like some threads on the
Extracting... Forum.
There are places to hide and stash things, even here in a city like San Francisco.
--Lee
I saw an Internet ad(advert, in Britain) a few days ago.
As much as it was a promotional message, it maintained only about 10% of eligible homeowners have taken advantage of the American Gov't economic bailout and refinanced their mortgages.
Many of those subprime and Alt-A mortgages will reset to higher rates in the next few months. That's about 6.5-8.5 million households. Do these people have that much money to spend? I doubt it. In this recession, whoever loses their job through layoff has the same monetary predicament as having a risky subprime loan.
Some homeowners could find themselves on the streets.
--Lee
In Forbes magazine, Nov. 16, pg. 26, Ron Paul predicted a second great depression for the world and he maintained the current "recovery" would be short lived. The Great Depression acted the same way before it really got started in the early 30's.
He didn't go far enough, in my opinion. The collapse is coming because there are more problems looming on the horizon in this time period than in the Thirties. (The war in SE Asia, the impossibly high deficit, Hurricane Katrina and other costly disasters in the recent past---the present---and the future, poorly educated citizens compared to the Thirties, credit markets as a bubble just like the housing market bubble, and others.)
2010 at best, will probably be terrible for most people economically.
--Lee
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Understand ur needs as a human to survive from your wants, u need 4 things, firepower,firepower,firepower, and food.
The fourth one I'm getting ready to stock up on with cans and a can opener or two.
I'd avoid most people after the economy collapses. The movie
The Road with Viggo Mortenson is the reason why. You never can tell what's around the next corner.
The first three ask for trouble of you're outnumbered. I've always eventually seen that there's always someone around
even stronger than the currently strongest man present.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 12, 2009, 10:54:48 PM
X00013 said:The fourth one I'm getting ready to stock up on with cans and a can opener or two.
Another reason why the ecomomy will collapse:
http://www.ufolab.info/Chinese_on_our_border.htm
Especially read the bottom of the page. The rest is overwritten by a text editor?
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 14, 2009, 09:48:36 PM
Another reason why the ecomomy will collapse:
http://www.ufolab.info/Chinese_on_our_border.htm
Especially read the bottom of the page. The rest is overwritten by a text editor?
--Lee
I am an experience rifle man with a 3 to 12 scope, me and my 308 savage and a homemade suppressor I can take at least 500 chinese invaders with me. I learned how to make suppressors when I was a teen, if China decides to invade I would have no problem assembling one within minutes and wait for them in non thermal rags! they will have a fat chance of seeing me once I am dug in and they will kiss my bullet.
now. how many experienced hunters do we have in America? then add the U.S Military and we got some game! go team!
I am a German American but I will fight to the death to protect this country more than you know, this country is awesome!
onthecuttingedge2005 said:
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how many experienced hunters do we have in America? then add the U.S Military and we got some game! go team!
That's a strong point. Lots of hunters in this country
and they're good at it, too. Revolutionary War II!
--Lee
this is what the enemy invaders will be kissing under suppression on my end of the muzzle. 308 and it does some major damage. flack jacket, it will do you no good against a 308. it will penetrate
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Another reason why the economy will collapse:
The interest on the National Debt will reach at least $4.8 trillion by 2019, according to a writer for the www.CNNMoney.com in an article to the Internet on 11/20/2009.
That's not all, 10 states have deficits of 10-45+%. California, where I live, is one of them. It's going to be utterly bad when these states begin reneging on debt, shortly.
We're running out of time.
@onthecuttingedge2005(Jerry):
http://www.ufolab.info/Chinese_on_our_border.htm
Especially read the bottom of the page. The rest is overwritten by a text editor?
I forgot to make a point:
The think tanks in the military expect gangs to come after people in the *sticks* like you and they'll be civilians, not Chinese. I imagine you'll treat them the same as the Chinese? Remember the movie,
"The Road?".
Same situation, basically.
--Lee
Hope you like this one.
http://cohort11.americanobserver.net/latoyaegwuekwe/multimediafinal.html
Just wonder how the American economy can grow in the 4th quarter if 10% of people don't have a job.
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Just wonder how the American economy can grow in the 4th quarter if 10% of people don't have a job.
The other 90% are on their own? >:( ::)
A double dip recession, if not an outright collapse, is coming. It's only, "When."
--Lee
I just wonder how it could really grow. Jobless claims are still rising, although stabilizing. Underemployment is a hugh unaddressed issue. With those combined 4th quarter numbers can not be high, I don't see how they could even break even.
Azorus said:
"Jobless claims are still rising, although stabilizing."
The rate per month is falling slowly. The total is over 15 million. It's still too high and there's other things that can drive up the rate in the future, e.g., foreclosures and lack of consumer spending.
"I just wonder how it could really grow. ... With those combined 4th quarter numbers can not be high, I don't see how they could even break even. ... "
I don't think the economy can grow in the long run. I 'double dip' recession is the norm. You're probably right about that.
--Lee
From what I have been hearing 'big m', and its starting to make sense to me as it sinks in...the economy is really way in the black.
It seems they have been neglecting to report the tremendous amount earned from investments and government owned systems and structures...which apparently substantially dwarf the minute by comparison money collected in taxes.
In other words we are all needlessly paying taxes !!!
Obviously they did that to keep us "occupied", and oblivious to our plight, and from rising above it and really getting to truly enjoy fruitful lives in our intended pursuit of happiness.
Instead they have duped us into pursuit of a dollar.
Scammed again, it looks like...and when you stop to consider what I just said in light of what is going on in the world at large, it seems like an all too realistic possibility.
They are just squeezing us to weaken our resolve enough to make us prone accept our slow decent into a life of virtual slavery...with no freedom to move about the earth freely, and no refuge or sanctuary because they own all our real property though property tax.
Everything is fine we just need to pull the plug on this video game they have people playing like a gambling addict on a slot machine.
Regards...
@Cap-Z-ro
With respect to your Reply #189, I agree in full. However, many, (many!) people could suffer for the decisions made by a few men in power.
--Lee
" However, many, (many!) people could suffer for the decisions made by a few men in power. "
Thats been the case throughout human history Lee...they just keep rotating the method and build up(always gradually), hoping nobody is noticing whats taking place.
Regards...
Dubai owes banks $60,000,000,000 and merely the thought that they might default on it is causing stock markets in Asia and Europe to get jittery.
One more indication of the looming crisis.
--Lee
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 25, 2009, 11:03:00 PM
" However, many, (many!) people could suffer for the decisions made by a few men in power. "
Yes but a few will make huge bonuses even if the ordinary people are shafted.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on November 28, 2009, 04:23:34 PM
Yes but a few will make huge bonuses even if the ordinary people are shafted.
@MasterPlaster
Exactly. That's business as usual. There are, however, several hot problems getting worse as time elapses and any of these can bring down the system like a house of cards. Dubai is one of them. Lack of sufficient Chinese backing of our economy is another. Future Inflation is one more.
It'll end when people wake up or a few hotheads make a fatal mistake with other physical people's lives or economically insecure money.
RE-EDITAbu Dabi is coming to Dubai's aid. It may do no good if oil falls further in price. It can, easily, from my personal experience.
--Lee
Is this a voting thread? Yes I believe the US economy will get better. Wait a minute, that's not much of a prediction because todays news already said that. The past several days the news stations, especially the business channel said for 1st month the entire US unemployement took a turn toward the positive. And the results from yesterdays busiest shopping day of the year was up from last year and online sales were up 30%!
But ... the global earth changes will eventually destroy world economies. :(
Paul
Slap the dust off and try to get back on your horse, if it throws you off again then remount till you get it right.
I am sure you don't want to be chasing your horse when you could be riding off into the sunset!
Unemployment in the US does not account for those who's insurance has run out. Those people are removed from the count even though they have not returned to work. It is a BS method of accounting. It does not include those who did not work long enough to collect once layed off or did not qualify under their state unemployment insurance rules.
The depth of banking deception or in some peoples eyes are good business practices by banks has yet to be fully known.
Example if you move millions of defaulted mortgages into another column before a pending recession and call them something ells then you look better on paper to your stock holders. If on the other hand you take tarp funds and the gov asks to see your books after you take the money post recession then you would need a diaper change and you would want to give back that money pronto to avoid someone spilling the beans on your in house scam that would surely destroy any public confidence in the banking system.
This economy reminds me of the skit from Monty Pythons Flying circus where the guy comes in with the dead parrot and the store owner tells him it's not dead it;s just sleeping.
" Unemployment in the US does not account
for those who's insurance has run out. Those people are removed from the count even though they have not returned to work. It is a BS method of accounting. "
Those figures were arrived at by crack scientific team of US Climate Control experts, considered to be the vanguard of 'number crunchers'.
I have great confidence in their integrity and their findings.
Regards...
"I Hope Obama Fails. Somebody's gotta say it." Rush Limbaugh
LOL, rush limbaugh is going insane on the radio lately. The recent economy numbers must be eating a hole in his stomach, that the stocks are soaring upward, the unemployment makes a turn for the better, black friday busiest shopping day of the year is actually up from last year, online sales up 30%, and real estate is picking up! Yehaw! And I thought it would take Obama ~ 4 years to turn the economy, thanks to the nightmare of G.W.Bush. Now it's upwards from here.
The real estate is unfortunate for me since over the past year I've been looking to eventually buy some rural land. Darn it, it's going up! :( ;D ;D
Regards,
Paul
Give a listen what Bob Chapman has to say...
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8516
Regards...
Quote from: PaulLowrance on November 29, 2009, 12:25:10 AM
Is this a voting thread?
It is, indeed. You need to be a Member, though.
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Yes I believe the US economy will get better.
I'll list the reasons I think it won't:
1) 80%-90% of the households qualified to refinance their subprime mortgages, won't. And, rates will reset higher again in a few months.
2) Dubai may default on their loans. That would destabilize the Asian financial markets in particular.
3) Confidence could collapse in national efforts by the Obama administration to prop up the economy. If people don't trust the Gov't with their money, is all over. No amount would be enough when Obama's policies call for printing more---which is what is happening now, or will, happen when they need more.
4) Europe, especially England, is worse off than us in this recession. They don't have our economic size to stand on their own. Just as bad for Asia---Japan and South Korea notwithstanding their size.
5) North Korea is governed by a maniac who could start a regional---or wider--war with South Korea.
6) Most of Africa is a powder keg--especially the Muslim countries.
7) The war in Southwest cannot be won militarily. It's a black hole for American money. No end in sight.
If the Afghans decide to bring in a lot more volunteers, they can perform WWII "Banzai! charges" that no amount of American Firepower can stop. It's crazy, and would cost the Muslims a lot of lives, but it would stop the Americans. There are
more than enough Muslims to do the job.
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Wait a minute, that's not much of a prediction because todays news already said that. The past several days the news stations, especially the business channel said for 1st month the entire US unemployement took a turn toward the positive. And the results from yesterdays busiest shopping day of the year was up from last year and online sales were up 30%!
My reasons against this are above.
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But ... the global earth changes will eventually destroy world economies. :(
There probably won't be "economies" by then. :-\ :o
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 29, 2009, 10:45:40 AM
It is, indeed. You need to be a Member, though.I'll list the reasons I think it won't:
1) 80%-90% of the households qualified to refinance their subprime mortgages, won't. And, rates will reset higher again in a few months.
2) Dubai may default on their loans. That would destabilize the Asian financial markets in particular.
3) Confidence could collapse in national efforts by the Obama administration to prop up the economy. If people don't trust the Gov't with their money, is all over. No amount would be enough when Obama's policies call for printing more---which is what is happening now, or will, happen when they need more.
4) Europe, especially England, is worse off than us in this recession. They don't have our economic size to stand on their own. Just as bad for Asia---Japan and South Korea notwithstanding their size.
5) North Korea is governed by a maniac who could start a regional---or wider--war with South Korea.
6) Most of Africa is a powder keg--especially the Muslim countries.
7) The war in Southwest cannot be won militarily. It's a black hole for American money. No end in sight.
If the Afghans decide to bring in a lot more volunteers, they can perform WWII "Banzai! charges" that no amount of American Firepower can stop. It's crazy, and would cost the Muslims a lot of lives, but it would stop the Americans. There are more than enough Muslims to do the job.My reasons against this are above.There probably won't be "economies" by then. :-\ :o
--Lee
I think the U.S is at war with radical Taliban, not Muslims in general. many of the allies are Muslim fighting the Taliban radicals who want to over throw the government built on Muslim democracy.
define:democracy
a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them.
radical Taliban don't want Muslims to have democracy.
in Iraq, we were at war with saddam's war regime not Sunnis or Shiite in general. now, Sunnis don't want Shiites to rule a democracy nation and Shiites don't want to give up their new found power which was Nil during saddams reign of Baath party power. U.S only remains in Iraq to prevent a major civil war outbreak, there is a civil war going on but not as severe as it would be if America just up and left. most of the civil war procrastinators are dead by Chopper and C-130 Spector fire. you really can't stop a suicide bomber unless you have x-ray vision at a distance. but the main front groups are getting slim this is why they are turning more to suicide bombing because they are short on men, it gives a shock and aww effect to make the situation seem alot more brutal to the entire world.
there must be a lot of people over there with bipolar disease! lol.
the radicals are converting to 'kamikaze Ninja' methods because it requires no rules of war and is effective against a war with rules.
Just my two pence.
Jerry
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on November 29, 2009, 02:51:29 PM
I think the U.S is at war with radical Taliban, not Muslims in general. ...
Right, I agree. Moderate Muslims are help hostage by these sociopaths.
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...many of the allies are Muslim fighting the Taliban radicals who want to over throw the government built on Muslim democracy.
define:democracy
a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them.
radical Taliban don't want Muslims to have democracy. ...
Right again. They can only change themselves, which they won't.
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...the radicals are converting to 'kamikaze Ninja' methods because it requires no rules of war and is effective against a war with rules.
Just my two pence.
I agree. They have all the patience they need. They can win, too. My careerbuilder resume' had a proposal to combat this development, and it's still there.
--Lee
Job market shows big improvement,
http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/04/news/economy/jobs_november/index.htm
Jobs are up. Real estate is up. Sales from the big shopping day of the year last week was up. Online sales are up over 30%. Stocks are soaring upward. :)
The only thing is for Mother Earth to do her thing and cleanse the planet. Now that will hurt the economy! :(
Paul
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 04, 2009, 09:34:55 AM
Jobs are up.
I think this is a double dip condition. There are underlying problems in the economy not being addressed.
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Real estate is up.
People are still borrowed, not seeing the past double dips of previous recessions. Not good. This is a mistake.
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Sales from the big shopping day of the year last week was up. Online sales are up over 30%. Stocks are soaring upward. :)
Borrowing and speculation. Bubbles that were made by Obama's stimulus package(s). These usually end badly when they deflate. I live in Calif.(13% of the whole American GDP) and economic analysts here are scared.
Lots. Of. Gimmicky. Borrowing.
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The only thing is for Mother Earth to do her thing and cleanse the planet. Now that will hurt the economy! :(
People need to begin
now, collectively on a grand scale, and they're not doing that.
--Lee
The recent #'s don't lie. I'm glad the economy in *totality* is making a major turn toward the better, and all (in totality) is going well. ;D Just look out for Mother Earth though. She's pissed. ;)
Agrees with big,
Some of the problems out there?
The remaining toxin mortgages that haven't been delt with. some 76 billion dollars worth according to CNN, sorry no link.
The 1/3 of borrowers that are underwater. Ya that is gonna drive up the housing market real quick... also CNN
The all mighty deficit! Look at it go up!
The underemployment problem where people have a job but not enough to pay for what they owe.
And the people who get taken off the Jobloss report because they no longer can receive unemployment benefits.
What did I leave out?
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 04, 2009, 10:31:20 AM
The recent #'s don't lie.
Politicians can lie, so the numbers can lie. "Appearances can be deceiving." ;D >:( ::)
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Just look out for Mother Earth though. She's pissed. ;)
People made a problem or made a natural process worse, but you're right. It's bad.
--Lee
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1945176,00.html?xid=rss-topstories-cnnpartner
Yep all is well here...
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 04, 2009, 11:01:51 AM
Politicians can lie, so the numbers can lie. "Appearances can be deceiving." ;D >:( ::)People made a problem or made a natural process worse, but you're right. It's bad.
The politicians do not produce the numbers. If you think the data is incorrect, then show your evidence. Personally I believe Target, Sears, Walmart, Amazon.com, etc. when they publish their sales. I believe the real estate agencies when they report home sales are up. Etc. The references to the news items are available.
My brothers tells the family how well his business is doing, and what he's saying matches the trend reported by the media. When the economy began to fall, his business sales went down. When it began to increase recently, his sales went up.
So yes, to be clear here, my brother said his sales have been up for several months now, and actually he said he's had the best month ever! What does he sell? POS (point of sell) software. Who uses POS? Retail stores!!
Poor rush limbaugh! Oh how he and his followers wants Obama to fail-- rush said it. BTW, last night news said Obama has received more death threats than any president in history.
Paul
The death threat thing is kinda disturbing.
Quote from: Azorus on December 04, 2009, 11:49:42 AM
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1945176,00.html?xid=rss-topstories-cnnpartner
Yep all is well here...
Right, Azorus, a lot of people realize their home is so far underwater in price, they walk out and mail in the keys to the bank, anyway.
And, to top it off, loan derivatives that got this money snowball rolling in the first place, are being sold and traded as before. It's another bubble. It'll burst as well. Worse than the last time.
--Lee
If the "News" can be relied upon...the people who alledgedly made the death threats are likely those who's mortgages were foreclosed on by the banksers Obomba bailed out.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 04, 2009, 03:44:37 PM
If the "News" can be relied upon...the people who alledgedly made the death threats are likely those who's mortgages were foreclosed on by the banksers Obomba bailed out.
Show a valid reference where Obama made the banks do that. Regardless, what Obama did was for the best of the entire country to prevent another great depression. Looks like the economy is picking up despite the nightmare George W. Bush put us in.
Paul
If it were not for George W. Bush we would all be attending services in a Mosque by now.
Regards...
Bush did nothing but stagnate the country for eight years while his cronies sucked up all the dough. :o
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 04, 2009, 04:09:40 PM
If it were not for George W. Bush we would all be attending services in a Mosque by now.
Regards...
Now I see you are talking out of your arse.
George Bush was propped up by his psychopath bosses to knock humanity some more.
Something funny and relevant to a post above.
CNN’s Sanchez Retracts His Claim of a 400 Percent Increase in Presidential Death Threats:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17547
Regards...
" Now I see you are talking out of your arse.
George Bush was propped up by his psychopath bosses to knock humanity some more. "
Its always wise to get to know your fellow ou.com members before judging them...didn't think I had to include a 'guffaw' in Bush satire posts.
Well, that ruins my night...not the 'slight', but the lack of recognition.
This leaves me to delude that I must have been having conclusions of notoriety.
Regardless...
Never mind, false alarm.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 04, 2009, 04:09:40 PM
If it were not for George W. Bush we would all be attending services in a Mosque by now.
US citizens would be attending mosques by now? And what country would have taken over the US?
*turns in comedy union membership card*
I think it's the 'dry British humor', I almost bit, then I caught your act over at feet-to-the-fire and it slowly dawned on me...
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 04, 2009, 04:06:40 PM
Show a valid reference where Obama made the banks do that. Regardless, what Obama did was for the best of the entire country to prevent another great depression. Looks like the economy is picking up despite the nightmare George W. Bush put us in.
I have to laugh a bit at the "Bush Nightmare". It would not have been possible for the economic house of cards to be built if Clinton had not helped the commercial bank deregulation that created the mortgage mess.
While I think Bush should be publicly flayed for terrorist actions against middle eastern nations and killing his own citizens to buy oil @ the cost of 100,000's of lives, I don't think he was alone in any of his actions.
Democrats AND Republicans can't really be told apart and have been pretty synonymous in actions for decades.
As to Obama's bailout, where did BILLIONS of dollars go that can't be accounted for?
Do you think that "cash for clunkers" is going to have ANY positive impact on the environment when people were trading in vehicles for new ones that MIGHT get 3MPG better economy than what they traded?
Does committing to a new war theater with a "timeline" make any more sense then the Iraq "war" (if anyone is a terrorist, the USA is for using a terrorist act as a excuse to secure oil availability from the middle east)?
Stop thinking in terms that favor one party of the ruling bicameral class of US politics and start connecting the dots of how they are colluding to create a new wage-slave class.
You know, in the definition used today of a terrorist (which is a silly made up term for obsfucation) all of the American founding fathers were one.
They were rich slave/land owners that didn't want to pay taxes and thought it within their rights to commit terrorist acts against the ruling gov't of the time.
Kinda sobering, eh?
" I think it's the 'dry British humor', I almost bit, then I caught your act over at feet-to-the-fire and it slowly dawned on me..."
...and to make things worse I'm not even British.
exxcomm has it right...it is manipulation from above...political parties are just false fronts.
Obusha and Bushbama have the same bosses.
Regards...
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...and to make things worse I'm not even British.
Ok, I'm laughing...
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exxcomm has it right...it is manipulation from above...political parties are just false fronts.
Undoubtedly.
Now, what do you propose towards a solution?
Tony
Well, for starters...all protests against this global takeover would have to be situated outside the media outlets who indoctrinate the masses with supporting elitist propaganda...and with the various talking heads targeted personally on the signage.
Then we will see how eager they are to accept their payoff's for spreading lies, when becoming public pariah's is part of the package.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 05, 2009, 12:16:57 PM
Well, for starters...all protests against this global takeover would have to be situated outside the media outlets...
Activism by way of protest is of limited use and premature protestation is self defeating.
1.) Define your agenda.
2.) Establish your legitimacy.
3.) Communicate your agenda.
4.) Grow your base.
If you can manage the first two, you can proceed to the third which (if effectively pursued) will lead to the fourth.
There is more.
Tony
All that is needed is a rotating presence in the places I indicated...the resulting public exhibitions as the culprits arrive and leave their "jobs" will be all over the net.
Public disgrace is not what these media whores are into...they love basking in their fame.
The old methods do not get to the puppet masters behind the curtain...wheres as with this new strategy somebody gets to endure well deserved public scorn.
When the messenger is intentionally deceiving you, the messenger must be held to account.
Regards...
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All that is needed is a rotating presence in the places I indicated...the resulting public exhibitions as the culprits arrive and leave their "jobs" will be all over the net.
And how do you propose to furnish this 'rotating presence' if you don't first engage a sufficient number through the methods mentioned previously?
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The old methods do not get to the puppet masters behind the curtain...
As it is said: 'They that do not learn from history...'.
Tony
Quote from: exxcomm0n on December 05, 2009, 02:58:28 AM
Democrats AND Republicans can't really be told apart and have been pretty synonymous in actions for decades.
I do actually have to agree with that one. I never have voted for that reason.
Since I was in the US Air Force during the Vietnam war, I've had a real problem with official authority.
What to do about it? I'll let the turkeys start killing each other off while I stay out of the way as much as possible.
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As to Obama's bailout, where did BILLIONS of dollars go that can't be accounted for?
The same place several pallets of cash did in Iraq. It disappeared after it was unloaded from the plane.
--Lee
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...I never have voted for that reason.
Yeah, in those days we couldn't vote until we were 21, I was still in the military then (I think I was at Gitmo for that election). I'm a registered independent.
How's the move going, Lee? Haven't talked to you for awhile, Everything going OK?
Tony
To advance the issue...once people become fully aware these media heads have been snowing them, their next thought will be why, and who's paying them off.
Thats when things will really start to happen...one thought always leads to another.
I was hoping for some momentum from the 'Climate Conspiracy Scam' but the CBC and CTV whores are downplaying it, so its likely the major US outlets are also.
Outing the media whores has to be on the minds of others in the various activist groups by now also...I planted a seed or two there myself, nothing sprouting that I know of though.
The media head whores have many researchers and assistants who scour the net for stuff, so they have to be reading the things people are saying about them them already.
So, maybe one or two will break ranks and spill the beans soon.
It would be far better for them to be bad side of the bad guys for a little while, because they will and are being taken down from within...whereas the public is everywhere and has a long memory.
End of my rant of the week.
Regards...
Quote from: ATT on December 05, 2009, 11:33:14 AM
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Undoubtedly.
Now, what do you propose towards a solution?
Tony
Hi Tony,
Since "you" is a somewhat generic method of address, I'll interpret it as a question of open debate. ;)
I think that gov't officials should be held to the same standard as any other employee.
In short, they are YOUR employees! Start holding them accountable as such.
They should have independent review of their progress towards achieving the goals they promised as a condition of their successful election (aka getting hired) in a more timely manner than election only.
They should have to account for the use of their time while "on the clock" for the time spent on the job doing what they were "hired" to do.
In this day and age of webcams, twitter, blogging, GPS, biometrics, etc. (although electronic data is the absolute easiest type to manipulate and falsify) it shouldn't be hard to implement a regimen that makes them accountable and have their day-to-day activities be easily accessible public knowledge.
Their monetary renumeration (pay) should be based on their ability to achieve those goals in a manner that is the most cost effective for their employer (those that elected them) and impacts the environment the least, instead of having their pay raises being governed solely by themselves.
When was the last election for gov't pay raises you could vote on that you can remember?
Now all of these point to the idea that there needs to be a body that oversees the gov't, essentially a global overseeing committee OF gov't (or a gov't of gov't), but in being a governing body, it is just as susceptible to corruption and intractability as any gov't has proven to be.
How this can be accomplished is a task that is not easily undertaken or practiced by a keyboard jockey in 30 minutes worth of "thinking" and typing (which is essentially what I am).
Historically the only thing to bring about any of the principals I outline above is bloody revolution which I cannot, with clear conscience, suggest, yet.
I think that people need those intensely interested in current events and how the gov't has influenced those events to make sure that atrocities that have gone before not be repeated, or at least go unreported using modest and uncompensated methods (like posting to sites like this).
But the public has to listen and think, which is proven to not be easy or usual these days.
Other than that, realization of the aim of this site (free, or individually produced energy) would be a major stepping stone to wresting the power that gov't has accrued through slight of hand or public ennui back into the hands of the public.
It's the publics responsibility to want to listen and think about what they've heard to make gov't fear the wrath of the common man as the comman man fears the gov't today.
It might not happen as it's not easy or fun, but it is the only thing that will turn the tide towards (resolving) action.
Quote from: ATT on December 05, 2009, 06:40:18 PM
How's the move going, Lee? Haven't talked to you for awhile, Everything going OK?
I'm in San Francisco permanently, now. However, permanent, affordable housing is a problem to acquire, especially in a serious recession like this one. *The streets* are a looming issue if I don't get lucky. I do have a good opportunity at one place I'll apply to shortly. But, thanks for asking.
I haven't said much in the recent past because other Member's fairly political opinions, IMHO, were being discussed on particular subjects---Like: exactly whose to blame for getting all us Americans in a recession this bad?---that I considered subjective.
Plenty of blame to go around. Numerical figures can be looked at more than one way and also cherry-picked for "correct interpretation".
I disagree with those who say economic conditions are getting better for the reasons I stated previously. I say Obama is creating or maintaining another economic bubble and that's what the "recession improvement" proponents are looking at. Several things could go wrong shortly or eventually. History says so. Many times. Time will tell whether I'm right or wrong.
--Lee
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End of my rant of the week.
Not at all, cap, it's good to rant every now and then, helps to centre us out.
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I was hoping for some momentum from the 'Climate Conspiracy Scam'...
Not sure how much 'mileage' that's good for, I'm not convinced there's a connection there aside from media-play gaining more listeners that sniff 'conspiracy', however, that's not to say there isn't vested interests on both sides of the issue, there obviously are, maybe just not the ones you're gunning for.
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...once people become fully aware these media heads have been snowing them, their next thought will be why, and who's paying them off.
You know, the phrases 'people', 'fully aware', 'next thought', might be hanging your hat on some pretty sketchy assumptions.
First: they don't -listen-.
Second: they don't -hear- when they -do- listen.
Third: they don't -care- when they -do- hear.
If you have an agenda that you believe in, it takes a lot of work to get others to get to the same place you're at in your head, but it's gotta be legitimised and you have to show them it's important enough to -them- that they should care about it.
Even then, it's an uphill battle that's going to take a lot more organisation than viral-marketing alone to get folks to sign-on.
Figure it out: there's 300M people in the U.S., let's say 100M are kids (don't know the actual number).
That leaves 200M adults with ages (and concerns) going across the board.
Now, go out and get the number of listeners to all the major talk-shows on radio and TV that could make use of (be sympathetic to) your agenda (numbers may be available on the web in a central location, if not, drop an email saying you're considering advertising, they'll shoot you the numbers and the demographics).
Remember, there's no 'ideology' in business, if your stuff fits their format, their listeners will love it, their advertisers will like it and you can probably get some 'play'.
But, you have to do your homework and put together a 'package' these guys can use - you have to 'pitch' the package and provide ongoing support info to keep it going (one-shot isn't going to get it).
Now, getting back to numbers: add the listener-figures together, subtract 20% (same listeners/multiple shows), divide 200M into that number...that's the percentage of adults in the U.S. you can potentially reach directly, you have to count on 'viral' for the others.
You do the same thing on the web, get air-play on C2C (they're always looking for content), pitch your website, provide RSS feeds for your content, get your SEO and backlinks working, do guest spots on other blogs, keep the momentum going, don't let up for a minute.
It's a big job, dude, takes a lot of work and a lot of organization if your serious about getting it out there.
But the first thing you have to do, before any of this, is to investigate your assumptions, identify the individuals and organizations and assemble the 'facts' that back up your hypothesis, otherwise you won't get to square-1.
Tony
Quote from: exxcomm0n on December 05, 2009, 07:36:57 PM
I think that people need those intensely interested in current events and how the gov't has influenced those events to make sure that atrocities that have gone before not be repeated, or at least go unreported using modest and uncompensated methods (like posting to sites like this).
But the public has to listen and think, which is proven to not be easy or usual these days.
(And, yes, 'you' is a generic reference, in this case...but you don't need an invitation, your thoughts are most welcome, anytime on any issue).
Your ideas are right-on, you are definitely the 'voice of reason', but like I said in my post to cap (and you've said the same thing here), getting people to listen requires an 'industrial-strength' solution to bring about.
There is just a small segment that's actually 'interested' and only a percentage of those who would be willing to participate to any degree.
That is, until things fall in on their head, then it's too late.
Tony
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 05, 2009, 07:48:33 PM
I disagree with those who say economic conditions are getting better for the reasons I stated previously. I say Obama is creating or maintaining another economic bubble and that's what the "recession improvement" proponents are looking at.
Lee, I think it's going to go double-dip too, just a matter of time (and it won't be a 'long-time'...).
I think we've both visited this subject before, but more recent posters weren't in on the beginnings so may have missed some of what was said.
In any event, I ran across an article on the web a couple of weeks ago that talked about three guys who bought an apartment bldg. in SF on some sort of government program - they didn't have any money for a down and I think they qualified as vets for reduced payments, but they got it.
I don't know what the program is, didn't save it out, but the VA may have some info on this.
Is SF the city of choice or is it that you have access to VA there? The reason I mention this is it's probably the highest rent-district in the state, but there is easy-access there (trolley, bus, train, plane) and anything you want within a small area (NYC is kinda like that, too).
Anyway, if I can dig up that article I'll shoot you a link.
Tony
Quote from: ATT on December 05, 2009, 09:07:41 PM
... In any event, I ran across an article on the web a couple of weeks ago that talked about three guys who bought an apartment bldg. in SF on some sort of government program - they didn't have any money for a down and I think they qualified as vets for reduced payments, but they got it.
That may be possible. I believe the VA program for small business investment concerns runs on a different set rules than commercial projects.
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Is SF the city of choice or is it that you have access to VA there?
Both, really. The weather suits me best and I'm familiar with the city.
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The reason I mention this is it's probably the highest rent-district in the state, but there is easy-access there (trolley, bus, train, plane) and anything you want within a small area (NYC is kinda like that, too).
I see the similarities. I think it's safe to say, though, that both cities have different kinds of people living in it.
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Anyway, if I can dig up that article I'll shoot you a link.
Sure, I'd like to see it.
--Lee
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 04, 2009, 05:32:06 PM
Something funny and relevant to a post above.
CNN’s Sanchez Retracts His Claim of a 400 Percent Increase in Presidential Death Threats:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17547
Regards...
I read the article. The same could be said for Hillary Clinton. More death threats. She's a woman and if she would have won the election, the Arab nations and other Muslim nations would probably have had nothing to do with her. Women have no voice in their culture.
My point is: The streets are getting more and more angry. I've been on the streets and I know what these people are like. The average American is getting to their level of poverty slowly, but surely. And their anger is probably rising. Mine would, if I was any of them.
That may be one of the reasons why guns are flying off the shelves in gun shops as I write.
--Lee
According to a guy that makes a lot of sense, the amount collected in taxes by the US Gov. represents only 1/3 of their receivables.
In other words there is no real need for taxes..other than to keep the vast majority of people from rising above the level of wage slave.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 06, 2009, 06:39:42 AM
According to a guy that makes a lot of sense, the amount collected in taxes by the US Gov. represents only 1/3 of their receivables.
And the Gov't has to borrow the rest? For example, I read in an Internet article, just glancing quickly, that the money paid for the national debt is being borrowed while at the same time, the debt was also borrowed. $Trillions. The interest can be paid off only if we live to be 1,000+ yrs old.
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In other words there is no real need for taxes..other than to keep the vast majority of people from rising above the level of wage slave.
Good thinking; they probably want us to be dependent on a job to pay taxes for their salary and retirement account.
--Lee
@cap:
Here's a chart (believe it or don't):
www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/numbers/revenue.cfm
This may be the person you were talking about:
http://www.devvy.com/notax.html
Never heard of her, let's do a look-up:
Kidd, Devvy
ATTN: DEVVY.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 459
Drums, PA. 18222
Domain Name: DEVVY.COM
Record expires on 30-Jun-2011.
Record created on 01-Jul-1998.
She's been around for 11 years, has a legit registration.
Appears to be a right-wing anti-tax constitutionalist.
Here's an opposing view:
http://www.quatlosers.com/devvy_kidd.htm
Registrant Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent ()
Fax:
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
C/O quatlosers.com
Bellevue, WA 98007
US
Creation date: 03 May 2002 17:21:13
Expiration date: 03 May 2010 17:21:00
Appears to be an anti-fraud site.
Looks like these guys want anonymity, been around about for 7 years.
Dunno, I guess you have to beat the bushes a little to get a feel for her (or whoever was referred to) legitimacy.
@Lee
Hey Lee, i found that article, check it out:
http://www.businessinsider.com/fha-loans-help-three-broke-dudes-by-a-million-dollar-building-in-san-francisco-2009-11
Tony
Quote from: ATT on December 06, 2009, 02:58:26 PM
@Lee
Hey Lee, i found that article, check it out:
http://www.businessinsider.com/fha-loans-help-three-broke-dudes-by-a-million-dollar-building-in-san-francisco-2009-11
Tony
Hey Tony,
The article above should be a record breaker!!!!! >:( :P ::)
My misgivings:
A) With no job now, how will these guys pay back the loan??? Can they start some business and then use the duplex as part of that business? In a recession?!?! Did the phrase "business plan" enter the conversation along the line??? How about "collateral"????
B) Congressional oversight is needed!!!! This is as bad as the housing crisis, but in a bigger scale!!! And they'll create(the FHA) more of these loans!?!?
I usually don't get this worked up, but I have the firm conviction that the Obama bubble will certainly pop with more transactions like this one being made.
It's only a matter of time.
--Lee
" Congressional oversight is needed!!!! "
If I had water in my mouth I would have done a 'spit take' when I read that phrase Lee.
Those clowns don't even read the Bills they sign and support...and they don't hide it either.
The fact that that doesn't seem to bother anyone is whats really bothersome.
Sometimes I wonder why I bother...but before long slavery starts bothering me again, reminding me why I bother.
Its like being nagged by a plaintive cry off in the distance during quiet times.
More and more I envision the fruitful lives we could all be living in this world of plenty...were it not for the greed and selfish manipulation of a few.
There nothing I avoid more than numbers and economics, but even I can understand the logic behind the words of Walter Burien.
He has been around a long time...hear what he has to say here...
http://cafr1.com/
Regards...
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 06, 2009, 03:17:54 PM
This is as bad as the housing crisis, but in a bigger scale!!! And they'll create(the FHA) more of these loans!?!?
...So, hey, you wanna get in on this...free money, no down, no job required??
(I think we're -all- 'in on this', whether we like it or not...).
Tony
@Lee
Ok, I think I figured it out:
Form a non-profit, spot a property in town, go down to the FHA and float a business loan, then turn around and contract-out as a VA half-way-house extension.
That way, the government pays the mortgage on the property that they lent you the money to buy!
It's definitely in keeping with the 'overunity' theme.
I think you gotta go for it...
Tony
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 06, 2009, 03:58:55 PM
He has been around a long time...hear what he has to say here...
http://cafr1.com/
Cap, good link!
I've just read this one, so far:
http://cafr1.com/WhoRulesAmerica.html
Well written, proper attributions, factual...that's more like it.
Thanks for the link, I'll read some more and get back to you.
Tony
@Cap-Z-ro
With respect to your immediately previous post:
I've never seen people change greatly for the better in human history. As much I don't go in for Biblical prophesy, the Book of Enoch says the "about" same thing as the the Book of Revelations.
Wipe the slate clean and start all over again with humanity somewhere else in the universe? Looks like it's time for the finale.
--Lee
Quote from: ATT on December 06, 2009, 05:02:20 PM
...So, hey, you wanna get in on this...free money, no down, no job required??
(I think we're -all- 'in on this', whether we like it or not...).
Tony
Well, I've got a "thing" for honesty. I've got a "thing" against prison, even though some past and present financial CEO's---or other perpetrators---may need, or deserve, ;D an extended stay at the nearest penitentiary.
That brings up my next point:
Anyone can complain about the economic/political climate, but politicians/lawyers write and enforce the laws using hired men and guns we paid for.
>:( >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 06, 2009, 06:54:05 PM
...financial CEO's may need, or deserve, ;D an extended stay at the nearest penitentiary.
And a lot of 'em are in there, as a matter of fact..(what? You didn't like the financial perpetual-motion idea?).
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Anyone can complain about the economic/political climate, but politicians/lawyers write and enforce the laws using guns we paid for.
That they do, skim through that article about 'power' that I linked to a few posts back, has some good facts to draw inferences from.
As to human nature, it won't change, it's been rock-solid 'the same' for as long as we've been able to trace the records.
Every now and again there's a little 'hiccup', but it's temporary, we always revert.
Tony
Walter really knows how to simplify things. making it easy for anyone to understand.
" Wipe the slate clean and start all over again with humanity somewhere else in the universe? Looks like it's time for the finale."
I'll be hoping to catch a flight out if that happens.
Regards...
@Cap
This looked pretty 'conspiratorial':
http://cafr1.com/MAV.html
Wonder how running a jammer broadcasting on these freqs (L1 & L2 - maybe L5 too) would effect GPS receivers?
(schematic at bottom)
http://servv89pn0aj.sn.sourcedns.com/~gbpprorg/mil/gps/
This guy says:
"If fitted with an omnidirectional antenna instead of the Yagi beam, the Aviaconversiya system is touted as capable of preventing a cruise missile from finding its mark."
http://archive.chipcenter.com/TestandMeasurement/ed030.html
From Wikipedia:
Satellite frequencies
* L1 (1575.42 MHz): Mix of Navigation Message, coarse-acquisition (C/A) code and encrypted precision P(Y) code, plus the new L1C on future Block III satellites.
* L2 (1227.60 MHz): P(Y) code, plus the new L2C code on the Block IIR-M and newer satellites.
* L3 (1381.05 MHz): Used by the Nuclear Detonation (NUDET) Detection System Payload (NDS) to signal detection of nuclear detonations and other high-energy infrared events. Used to enforce nuclear test ban treaties.
* L4 (1379.913 MHz): Being studied for additional ionospheric correction.
* L5 (1176.45 MHz): Proposed for use as a civilian safety-of-life (SoL) signal (see GPS modernization).
Better fire-up the ol' soldering-station...
Tony
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 06, 2009, 07:59:19 PM
Walter= Lee(the_big_m_in_ok; Reply #251)really knows how to simplify things. making it easy for anyone to understand.
" Wipe the slate clean and start all over again with humanity somewhere else in the universe? Looks like it's time for the finale."
I'll be hoping to catch a flight out if that happens.
Regards...
@Cap-Z-ro
Don't get excited about the mistaken identification; it happens.
I think the movie
2012 has some validity. There isn't anywhere on the planet to hide. That's why I said, "finale". (I have a hunch you were kidding about the 'flight out'.)
Really, though. I'm not afraid of the future. I get by and do the best I can. Some people have heavy karma heading their way, though. Everything works out in the end.
--Lee
"@Cap
This looked pretty 'conspiratorial':
http://cafr1.com/MAV.html "
You mean you haven't yet realized that there is an elitist conspiracy to turn the masses into slaves ?
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Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on Today at 01:59:19 AM
Walter= Lee(the_big_m_in_ok; Reply #251)really knows how to simplify things. making it easy for anyone to understand.
" Wipe the slate clean and start all over again with humanity somewhere else in the universe? Looks like it's time for the finale."
I'll be hoping to catch a flight out if that happens.
Regards...
@Cap-Z-ro
Don't get excited about the mistaken identification; it happens.
I think the movie 2012 has some validity. There isn't anywhere on the planet to hide. That's why I said, "finale". (I have a hunch you were kidding about the 'flight out'.)
Really, though. I'm not afraid of the future. I get by and do the best I can. Some people have heavy karma heading their way, though. Everything works out in the end.
--Lee "
Lee, I was referring to Walter Burien, check out my link.
I'm not afraod of anything either...its all just an experience along the way.
Regards...
It's really easy to say that "they" want to turn the masses into slaves, but what does that really mean. Slave is a limited title. And I highly doubt anyone with any kind of education would agree with you, that they could be turned into a slave. I think the word you are looking for is minion. minions are or can be relatively intellegent, and will do what you want them to do for the most part. Do you mean that "they" want to turn the masses into Their Minions? I'm pretty sure that is what you mean.
Now just look up the meaning of slave, and make the obvious comparisons...and there is your lesson for the day.
Regards...
I just don't think people would admit to being a slave. All I'm saying is they would be more likely to say they are a minion or even better a patsy, rather than say they are bending to the will of another.
Just out of curiosity did anyone think to ask the question as to why they are devaluing the dollar?
Quote from: ATT on December 06, 2009, 07:13:17 PM
...And a lot of 'em are in there, as a matter of fact..(what? You didn't like the financial perpetual-motion idea?).
As in, "the status quo of gluttonous greed forever?" Something always happens to stop that eventually. Greed is it's own reward/punishment.
There was a news spot on the TV or internet recently that I remembered:
The drug war in Mexico is getting huge and grave in its consequences. People living along the border are getting really angry that both Bush and Obama were/are sitting on their but while all this was/is going on.
Mexico could collapse politically if this Mexican military confrontation with the cartels continues.
--Lee
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 07, 2009, 06:13:22 AM
Lee, I was referring to Walter Burien, check out my link.
Well, I did briefly look at some of the financially-oriented articles associated with the site. Money isn't something I place an obsessive desire upon to acquire like our Gov't.
Conspiracy is more immediate to my future well-being, however. That one about the census taker with the GPS tracker raises alarms in my mind, too. It just confounds me why they thinks it's so important to know the exact location of building entrances. Ulterior motives?
--Lee
minion:
1. a favourite or dependant, esp a servile or fawning one.
2. a servile agent (the minister's minions).
slave:
1. a person legally owned by another and having no freedom of action or right to property.
2. a person who is forced to work for another against his will.
3. a person under the domination of another person or some habit or influence (a slave to television).
An arguable distinction, although one may -choose- to be a minion whereas slavery is forced.
Tony
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 07, 2009, 11:34:21 AM
As in, "the status quo of gluttonous greed forever?" Something always happens to stop that eventually. Greed is it's own reward/punishment.
Excesses are self-correcting, but not time-limited, a lot of damage can ensue while waiting for the correction.
Tony
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 07, 2009, 11:52:23 AM
Well, I did briefly look at some of the financially-oriented articles associated with the site. Money isn't something I place an obsessive desire upon to acquire like our Gov't.
Studying financial dealings may give a sense of where the power is and what effects that may have on the rest of us.
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That one about the census taker with the GPS tracker raises alarms in my mind, too. It just confounds me why they thinks it's so important to know the exact location of building entrances. Ulterior motives?
A lot of times one agency gets tasked to do a specific job and other agencies add things they need done to the first agency's tasks because it's expedient.
Homeland Security: add data for tracking, locating.
Police Database: add data for tracking, locating.
National 911 database: add data for tracking, locating.
Possible reasons?
Locate felons, locate illegals, locate deadbeat dads, locate government debtors, locate terrorists, swat planning, emergency medical location, emergency evacuation locations, etc.
Of course that doesn't exclude other more nefarious possibilities.
Tony
Lee, all Walter's theories, as stated in his interviews, all refer back to a Gov't. Conspiracy.
I do not choose slavery, however I am forced into it.
The fact that I cannot "own" my 'own' property is testament to that.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 07, 2009, 08:29:44 PM
Lee, all Walter's theories, as stated in his interviews, all refer back to a Gov't. Conspiracy.
Okay, and I agree. It's a conspiracy. However, I know quite well I have no way as an individual to change *their* minds toward my *slavery* being their choice to impose. I'll let them suffer from the karma they're making now, however.
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I do not choose slavery, however I am forced into it. ... The fact that I cannot "own" my 'own' property is testament to that.
I don't choose *slavery*, either. But
they don't own my free will to think for myself. That's why
I don't participate in the money games they play.They. Can. Suffer. On The. Day. They.
Die.I couldn't stop them if I tried. I'm not so stupid as to try the impossible. I'll let them go and do what they want to.
--Lee
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 07, 2009, 08:29:44 PM
I do not choose slavery, however I am forced into it.
If you accept that you are a slave, you've made it so.
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The fact that I cannot "own" my 'own' property is testament to that.
The only thing anyone 'owns' is what they 'know', the rest we just get to 'use' for a while.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 07, 2009, 11:17:01 PM
...I'll let them go and do what they want to.
We all have absolute freedom of choice, given that we accept the 'consequenses' of those choices.
We don't have to accept circumstances others seek to impose, we can choose to ignore overtures, threats and trends and proceed on the path our conscience directs.
We can't expect others to share that direction, it's an individual matter, but any company is welcome to share the road.
Tony
" If you accept that you are a slave, you've made it so."
What is your point ?
Regards...
Quote from: Azorus on December 07, 2009, 11:31:16 AM
Just out of curiosity did anyone think to ask the question as to why they are devaluing the dollar?
Here's a possible answer:
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/vronsky/2009/0403.html
The USA appears to need to print it's way out of the recession.
I'd rather like to return to the topic of this thread.
--Lee
Just wait till bubbles come back. That's when you know all hell has broken loss, or when a roll of TP is 50$.
Quote from: Azorus on December 08, 2009, 10:22:10 AM
Just wait till bubbles come back.
They're back now. Some economists recognize that with indicators rising as they are, that would define a bubble(s). The next *pop* will be extreme, since it's the second in a row.
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That's when you know all hell has broken loss, or when a roll of TP is 50$.
Social unrest is predicted by one or more think tanks on that one. Think of what happened to the ancient Roman Empire in the 5th Century after it collapsed.
--Lee
http://www.pravenue.com/newsletter.asp?article=2239
while i doubt garlic will be a problem in the us, think of this in terms of the housing problem that is just starting to bubble up again.
These two guys will get right down to the very core of how things have been set up, and how this impacts on the economy and essentially every aspect of your life.
" 1. You are legally a debtor and chattel (property) owned by a hidden creditor.
2. There is a hidden lien on everything transacted for by or with a Federal Reserve Note.
3. Your entire alleged wealth is/has been liened, you don’t own anything! You merely have possession by privilege. This privilege may be yanked at any time if you don’t obey the real owner.
4. The Federal Reserve Note is a foreign product owned by a foreign corporation, and not by you or the U.S. government
.5. The States and the United States courts are bankruptcy courts representing the interests and property of the foreign creditor.
6. Without knowing it, you have been compelled into international commercial law, where you have none of your unalienablerights. Hence, you have been insulated from your birthright, the common Law from which your rights are immutable
7. You are charged an income (excise) tax for transacting in the foreign commodity known as Federal Reserve Notes.
8. You have been divested of the rights to, value of, and profits from your labor, which has been stolen.
9. Lawful gold coin (pre 1933) money transactions are invisible to the states and national government(s).
10. The real cause of draconian governmental regulation and your loss of rights is the toxic currency.
11. The United States lost its sovereignty in 1933. It is in receivership to the hidden creditor. The bankrupt government is a puppet to the real master, as declared by Banker Rothschild on the cover.
12. The real cause of the current economic calamity is the toxic currency.
13. The hidden creditor (international bankers) owns everything, including you.
14. You have been living within an illusion, believing that you are free, but in reality you are owned! "
http://www.newpeopleorder.com/links.html
I hope this gives you a deeper perspective, it certainly gave me a clearer picture.
In all honesty, I will have to listen to them speaking a few more times before the whole I fully understand the ins and outs of it.
Regards...
Quote from: Azorus on December 08, 2009, 12:59:19 PM
http://www.pravenue.com/newsletter.asp?article=2239
while i doubt garlic will be a problem in the us, think of this in terms of the housing problem that is just starting to bubble up again.
Speaking of bubbles, I read in an Internet article, the rate of borrowing for retail purchases fell for the 8th month in a row. Analysts maintain that this, along with other indicators(e.g, continued high unemployment), bode poorly for the "recovery",
whatever that is. ;D :P
RE-EDIT:http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/11/06/u-s-consumer-credit-debt-falls-for-eighth-straight-month/
--Lee
K then.
On the whole slave/chattel/minion thing, it boils down to each humans ultimate power (if you're brave enough to exercise it).
Live free or die
(if anyone remembers it was on New Hampshires flag with a following line that read, "There are worse evils than death".)
This means to me that you'll never be a slave if you choose not to live as one. No one can make you a slave if you deny to be afraid of not seeing another day.
It's a tough gig, and I'm not sure if I will live up to my brave words should the day come where they need to become a real life choice, but it makes sense that a slave is more afraid of death than living as a slave.
A slave lives in fear, a man dies free.
Have to admit, I have been wrestling with that one for a time now.
Regards...
The big new bubble being held up now is the medical industry. It needs to pop. Even mandatory insurance can't sustain a bubble this size. Instead it will delay the pop. I took a guy in a few weeks ago and the hospital gave him a breathing treatment and a prescription, 4 hours, $2000. We have mandatory auto insurance in my state. There is no competition between these companies and no over sight on these gougers. The price is as ridiculous and if you have to drive you have to pay it. The same thing is going to happen with health insurance. The government says it will have a non profit insurance. The reality is this will be the go ahead for the medical industry to raise prices even higher and the insurance cost will continually rise. There will be no check and balance for the people and the bubble will be propped up far beyond imagination. This is a short explanation of part of the fake economy we suffer under. Our debt (most of it) is as fake as the FED. I hope to see everything to crash so bad they can't even think of the illegal, treasonous American Union. I'd like to see even Mexico in a position to tell DC to go to hell.
The Russians checkmated the gas grab in Afghanistan making the pipeline worthless. Why 30,000 more troops? Poppys?
The 30000 troops is to end the war, trust me end the war weather or not it works. Poppys are being salted, or turned to pomagraded trees, it is. People are the deciding factor as to when the bubbles burst. In saying that I mean that when people wake up to what is happening and have finally had enough is when change will occur.
Quote from: Azorus on December 09, 2009, 09:40:23 AM
The 30000 troops is to end the war, trust me end the war weather or not it works.
Here's one I agree on fore sure. If Obama sends more troops, even more Muslims extremists will volunteer to fight them. Genghis Khan couldn't conquer the Afghans, and we won't beat the combined strength of hugely favorable numbers of fighters on their side.
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...Poppys are being salted, or turned to pomagraded trees, it is.
It's pissing of the Afghans, too. They want money to live on. Pomegranates aren't enough.
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People are the deciding factor as to when the bubbles burst. In saying that I mean that when people wake up to what is happening and have finally had enough is when change will occur.
Right, exactly. It's all "smoke and mirrors" when it comes to money. If the American public has no confidence in the system, then $trillions won't help.
--Lee
the way things look to me is that Obama is for the American people. He is, like all other Americans, put in a tough situation. Look at how much older he looks today than when he first went into office because of all the stress that is put on him. I don't think he wants anything but the best for America, but it can be a very hard thing to decide with so much "smoke" blown in your face.
Quote from: Azorus on December 09, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
the way things look to me is that Obama is for the American people. ...
Okay, but he's also described as receiving a lot of threats from different people. Maybe he's outnumbered by criminals? People aren't all that happy if they threaten him.
--Lee
For the record - Obomba promised to end the "war" as soon as he got elected...he lied...its as simple as that.
Regards...
True. Anyone have guesses as to why the dollar is being devalued?
Quote from: Azorus on December 09, 2009, 10:56:53 AM
True. Anyone have guesses as to why the dollar is being devalued?
My reply #271, pg. 28
The Gov't wants to restart the economy like it was done in the past? Print the money and spend?
Obama is borrowing it. That won't help in the future when the bills are due.
When the public runs out of patience with the Gov't, no amount of money will be enough. The money and the Administration won't be trusted.
--Lee
Money is an idea.
Money is what ever people believe has value, so use it while there is still belief in it for durable goods, tools, food, and education (as to how to use tools, grow food, and be economical with what you have).
If you are hungry and cold no amount of gold will warm or feed you unless someone wants that gold because other people want gold as well.
But if everyone is hungry and cold no amount of gold will buy food and warmth.
If you're looking for a long range investment strategy look at "seal-a-meal" vacuum packaging systems, how to use 5 gal buckets as inert gas (CO2 or N2) bulk grain containers, how to make jerky or lard meat for storage, how to can fruits and vegetables, etc. as even if there are not shortages of food you can still use your investments to feed yourself and your family.
Also think about cases of disposable lighters, chapstick, aloe plants, knives, aspirin and other kinds of medicine with long shelf lives, Anbesol (or oil of cloves) and soft wax for dental, vegetable (I prefer olive) oil, peanut butter, vitamin C, canned tuna fish, cotton balls, paper with large rag content, etc.
Things you use every day and think of having little value suddenly become priceless when the store isn't there anymore (or you can't afford to go there).
I was banging around this site for a while gathering data for various calculators I'm writing to help my son-in-law with his accounting studies. Among the articles (of which there are several) I happened on this one which I thought described one aspect of the current economic condition...and it's ultimate result, quite well.
Worth the read if you've followed any of the discussion on this thread.
http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_Articles/The_calm_before_the_Inflation_Storm.asp
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Quote from: ATT on December 12, 2009, 03:57:54 PM
Worth the read if you've followed any of the discussion on this thread.
http://inflationdata.com/inflation/Inflation_Articles/The_calm_before_the_Inflation_Storm.asp
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@ATT
You're right, it's a good article, with links to others just as good.
We're running out of time on the economic bandwagon, until people lose confidence in the banking system.
After that, it's everyone for himself.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 12, 2009, 04:31:32 PM
...After that, it's everyone for himself.
And that's the point we've been trying to make right along...
Tony
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on December 08, 2009, 04:16:57 PM
These two guys will get right down to the very core of how things have been set up, and how this impacts on the economy and essentially every aspect of your life.
" 1. You are legally a debtor and chattel (property) owned by a hidden creditor.
2. There is a hidden lien on everything transacted for by or with a Federal Reserve Note.
3. Your entire alleged wealth is/has been liened, you don’t own anything! You merely have possession by privilege. This privilege may be yanked at any time if you don’t obey the real owner.
4. The Federal Reserve Note is a foreign product owned by a foreign corporation, and not by you or the U.S. government
.5. The States and the United States courts are bankruptcy courts representing the interests and property of the foreign creditor.
6. Without knowing it, you have been compelled into international commercial law, where you have none of your unalienablerights. Hence, you have been insulated from your birthright, the common Law from which your rights are immutable
7. You are charged an income (excise) tax for transacting in the foreign commodity known as Federal Reserve Notes.
8. You have been divested of the rights to, value of, and profits from your labor, which has been stolen.
9. Lawful gold coin (pre 1933) money transactions are invisible to the states and national government(s).
10. The real cause of draconian governmental regulation and your loss of rights is the toxic currency.
11. The United States lost its sovereignty in 1933. It is in receivership to the hidden creditor. The bankrupt government is a puppet to the real master, as declared by Banker Rothschild on the cover.
12. The real cause of the current economic calamity is the toxic currency.
13. The hidden creditor (international bankers) owns everything, including you.
14. You have been living within an illusion, believing that you are free, but in reality you are owned! "
http://www.newpeopleorder.com/links.html
I hope this gives you a deeper perspective, it certainly gave me a clearer picture.
In all honesty, I will have to listen to them speaking a few more times before the whole I fully understand the ins and outs of it.
Regards...
'They own it all including you' by Rowen and MacDonald,
and 'The Creature from Jekyll Island' By G. Edward Griffin' is well worth checking out.
There's also an informative DVD called the Money Masters (www.themoneymasters.com) which shows how this all started and the Rothschilds began their controlling foothold on the economy. The early gold traders didn't have enough gold on deposit to meet the demand, so they got the idea of issuing slips of paper instead... now we have fractional reserve lending where banks can lend out 10 times what they have on deposit.
I have previously posted, 'They own it all including you' by Rowen and MacDonald...I believe it was in this thread.
'The Creature from Jekyll Island' by G. Edward Griffin' doesn't ring a bell, by title anyway...I will have a look though, thanks.
Regards...
Peanut-Butter Jelly!
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/12/11/the-future-of-gold-the-dollar-and-more.aspx
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/12/11/bailouts-gone-astray.aspx
just some articles i ran across.
Quote from: Azorus on December 15, 2009, 07:55:08 AM
Peanut-Butter Jelly!
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/12/11/the-future-of-gold-the-dollar-and-more.aspx
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/12/11/bailouts-gone-astray.aspx
just some articles i ran across.
I came across a couple myself:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=a7GQeqld1g3o&refer=uk
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/391552/is-sovereign-debt-the-new-subprime
Even if the American economy "improves"( ;D ::) :D ), these countries can threaten the stability of the Western World all by themselves. And the Obama administration thinks things are okay,
or better, at home? Not if these countries begin defaulting.
--Lee
Please try to understand the bigger picture. The American economy or all other nations is not going to improve.
What happens, all the bankrupt nations will have to borrow money from the world bank. I don't know where the world bank will get all that money from but, the way it goes, the borrowers will not be able to pay their debt so, they must surrender their resources to world bank so that it can recover the debt. In the case of Iceland I guess they lost all their own mineral rights. Other countries have oil, ( UAE may go that way ), water, health and education system and other public services. You can see how devious this system is. Ultimately, governments will make their own citizen the slaves of who ever own the world bank.
The stupidity of it all is non of the f**kers ask where is the world bank going to get its money from. Just like the federal reserve in US.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on December 19, 2009, 07:22:09 PM
You can see how devious this system is. Ultimately, governments will make their own citizen the slaves of who ever own the world bank.
Which also begs the question, does it not
(?), do the Chinese own us and our resources? Rumors were recently in circulation on the Internet that a Chinese army was massing on the Southwestern American border. They may decide to claim ownership of what's "theirs".
Okay, you may be right.
But if you are, then I see no way the world economies can continue as is with these problems hanging over our heads as they are. My continued point was: It's going to all end. Get ready as best you can. If you can.
--Lee
an economic collapse is inevitable.
primarily because the "leadership",
does not have enough wisdom,
to fix even basic problems.
their inability,
combined with their inability to admit that they make mistakes,
let alone fix their own mistakes,
makes an economic crash,
the only "allowed" outcome.
the current socio-economic condition is poisonous.
it is toxic to our environment,
our quality of life,
and our evolution as a species.
within a few years of the crash,
the quality of life will be several times higher,
than it is now.
because we will have a lot more free time,
a lot more freedom,
a lot more self-actualization,
a lot less stress,
and a future that WE actually choose.
and that is WITHOUT any of the supressed technologies.
WITH the supressed technologies, it will be several times better yet.
we will still have problems.
we will still want for more.
but compared to this fool-spawned nightmare,
the several times estimate, is very accurate.
china is not an economic power house.
china is an economic forest fire.
that is burning itself down to the roots.
the chinese care too much about money.
they don't know how to balance working,
with quality of life.
they have a long history of strife,
drama,
and destroying themselves.
because they take materialism,
and themselves,
too seriously.
the only reason why china is a "unified" country,
is because the chinese military,
is holding the population hostage.
the only reason why their government was able to get as coherent as it is,
is because western rich people organized them.
by tempting enough chinese providence leaders with wealth,
in exchange for endless cheap manufacturing.
without western rich people to bedevil them with promises,
and without an unlimited fiat money system to bribe them,
china will quickly devolve into endless fighting over territory and resources.
which is exactly what china has been,
for all of its history.
one colony of industrious ants,
trying to wipe out a neighboring colony of industrious ants.
china isn't a great conqueror.
it is a disaster zone waiting to happen.
@nitinnun
With respect to Replies # 297 & 298,
Interesting choice of communication. Unique, really.
I agree with your prose poetry in the stanzas you deliver.
I've traced my ancestry back to China through a tentative line of male ancestors from Attila the Hun.
China is as you say. They have a lot of evolution to negotiate in the future before they can settle down to a more civilized existence. Their leaders are fairly simple to figure out since they usually act in predictable ways. The Chinese peasant people aren't so bad. They think about survival and how money can help them achieve that, but then so are many other people, even Americans.
But, I agree with you in the most part. Their leaders will suffer like the rest of the warmongers who act like them. It's just a matter of time.
--Lee
Chinese people are the same as people every where else. A mixture of good and bad. Sadly a lot of them have been moulded into submissive workers and the notion that you work hard and one day you will handout the butter comes to mind. In China, money is god like everywhere else.
By the way, the era where armies of some nation over took another nation in order to take over their land is over. The wars now are fought by economic means. I do not believe the chinese army in US story though presence of Northern Command and Nato killers there are more plausible.
As the big war approaches, you must be aware of "divide and rule" concept. Train yourself to think Chinese or Arabs or any one else is just like you. Having said that their brain washing is different to your bran washing.
There comes a time that any man truely understand what does "Love your enemy" means. (It took me 40 years).
The end of the current era is not the end of everything but the beginning of new things.
If you are still alive whilst your house is smoldering and your family and your city is destroyed, if entities (human or otherwise) turn up with promise of a wonderful life ( including free energy!) treat it with utmost suspission. Remember "order out of chaos". Who is bringing order? Do not expect miracles. We are trained to believe in a saviour and I am even suspicious of any saviour that may show up. Even if their arrival is preceeded by the Bluebeam show.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on December 20, 2009, 07:23:17 AM
The end of the current era is not the end of everything but the beginning of new things.
That brings up a good point. The
Bible and the
Book of Enoch both say the world will end, but others, including the Bible, say a few will be saved.
I say both can be true.
By the theory of alternative universes(string theory), this could be true. Some alternative Earths will have no human life---germs and viruses is all---and some will. I'm looking to try and be a survivor. Somehow.
I'll just wait and see what happens.
--Lee
The president was quoted today on CNN about the high possibility of many more small banks failing in the coming year. Also on CNN today a study was released about how large banks with congressional ties got bailouts and those that didn't where more likely to be turned down.
All of these are no surprise articles, but more for the sheepls.
This article may be replaced by a newer one in time.
If so, the reader might GOOGLize the search arguments: "double dip" and "housing starts"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100105/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy
I did say in the past that recessions often have 'double' dip' falling indicators in their courses. The next one may be occurring now.
--Lee
More about the coming double dip.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/07/business/07fed.html?ref=business
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1952132,00.html?xid=rss-topstories-cnnpartner
While I would like to point out that the American economy is on the up turn, it still has a long way to go, and throwing all of the money at the problem that the government did was not the solution and made the longterm solution all that much more difficult.
Quote from: Azorus on January 07, 2010, 09:35:50 AM
While I would like to point out that the American economy is on the up turn, it still has a long way to go,
Yes, precisely. I said some were looking at the bubble created by Obama, and then saying that's the answer---the economy is improving.
"Not seeing the forest for the trees in the way."Several economic problems will get worse---even much worse---in the future, as set forth elsewhere in this thread.
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...and throwing all of the money at the problem that the government did was not the solution and made the longterm solution all that much more difficult.
Absolutely. They didn't fix the root problem(s)---unregulated financial dealings---and this will return to haunt the Obama Administration.
--Lee
One thing I want to mention that I think a lot of people have forgoten about is where is that TARP money? You might notice in recent weeks that the TARP money that the banks gave back had a profit to it, about 50billion dollars. So where did it go, you cannot track the TARP money that was a profit, you can only track the original amount of TARP money. Hats off to our government for making another 50billion dissappear quitely.
Quote from: Azorus on January 07, 2010, 01:54:30 PM
One thing I want to mention that I think a lot of people have forgoten about is where is that A money? ...you cannot track the A money that was a profit, you can only track the original amount of TARP money.
Good point, Azorus. Also, too, the money was spent on things that weren't in the original 'plan'.
And, main street business wasn't helped hardly at all.
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Hats off to our government for making another 50billion dissappear quitely.
Yeah, true. I saw on a special news report on TV once that the Gov't shipped a $Billion on several pallets(skids) to SW Asia and it all disappeared
!, conveniently. The money just disappeared---
somewhere! in Iraq. They wanted, I believe, possibly, to use the money to rebuild bombed cities. This is about the same thing that happened to the $50 billion.
One or more congressional hearings were held, but nothing came out of them.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 05, 2010, 07:35:04 PM
This article may be replaced by a newer one in time.
If so, the reader might GOOGLize the search arguments: "double dip" and "housing starts"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100105/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy
I did say in the past that recessions often have 'double' dip' falling indicators in their courses. The next one may be occurring now.
--Lee
Here's an additional reason:
Most households with residences 'under water' financially didn't, or haven't, refinanced their properties. About 5 million more will have their subprime and alt-A mortgages reset to unacceptably high interest rates in 1 1/2 to 2 years at the latest. This is
very serious!5 million households and the unemployed as well(combined in numbers) will cause huge social/financial/legal stresses on the economy.
This is more than merely *very bad*.
--Lee
For anyone else that is tracking bank closers, 140 last year with a start of 10 this year already. by the way 140 are the most banks closed in a single year since 1994. And if anyone else is conserned with the amount of money in the FDIC they will keep telling you that they still have access to 500billion treasury money, that being said they have already spent 584billion on bank closings last year.
Quote from: Azorus on January 11, 2010, 09:12:02 AM
For anyone else that is tracking bank closers, 140 last year with a start of 10 this year already. by the way 140 are the most banks closed in a single year since 1994. And if anyone else is conserned with the amount of money in the FDIC they will keep telling you that they still have access to 500billion treasury money, that being said they have already spent 584billion on bank closings last year.
They also warned they don't have enough. They'll need to be bailed out if this trend continues. People may quit trusting the whole banking system.
Bad scenario.--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 08, 2010, 03:25:22 PM
5 million households and the unemployed as well(combined in numbers) will cause huge social/financial/legal stresses on the economy.
And, there another fact that was seen by an analyst on TV recently:
Banks aren't reducing the worth of distressed properties because
they want to keep the price high for their good bottom line.Obama may force them to change, and write off some of the cost, but
banks will loose money no matter what happens.There doesn't seem to be a good way out of this.
--Lee
The problem with that is if banks devalue the property to much it makes their bank fail. According to the FDIC banks have to keep a certain amount of assets capable of covering at most of there depositors. This means a bank can have unlimited psychical assets as long as they have enough money to cover 75% of there depositors at any one time. So if you devalue housing to much it is possible to drop total asset values of large banks below the amount of money depositors have in them. This is what they fear because that means they are running without money and Technically the FDIC has to come and and close them down. Though because the FDIC is already in trouble they have been hesitant to close on some banks that are already under.
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The problem with that is if banks devalue the property to much it makes their bank fail. ... This is what they fear because that means they are running without money and Technically the FDIC has to come and and close them down. ...
Yes, I agree.
There's something also: Banks are reluctant to lend money to anyone they think won't be able to pay them back in the future(about everyone, really).
The banks get hurt financially "coming and going". They can see many borrowers as credit risks and
also their assets aren't worth enough to sustain them in the long run.
I imagine Europe and Asia are in the same boat. And, the boat is getting smaller and may spring a leak, as well.
--Lee
I thing i heard a while ago was that banks, according to federal law, have to lend money. it makes sense, but they have to lend money to a certain amount of people no matter what according to the law, will have to look it up later. And if banks don't lend money to these people they have to pay penaties for this, making it hurt worse during this economic meltdown.
For those of you familiar with it, welcome The Fair Housing Act.
http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/FHLaws/yourrights.cfm
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 12, 2010, 03:11:43 PM
They also warned they don't have enough. They'll need to be bailed out if this trend continues. People may quit trusting the whole banking system. Bad scenario.
--Lee
And they don't trust them already? 27 trillion of taxpayer's money down a black hole, and the banks need another bailout?? when we are not told where this money is going, because it will undermine National Security? our children will be paying for this. Their children will be paying for this.
A thug breaks into your house, takes all your money. He holds a gun to your head, threatens all the members of your household, helps himself to everything in your property, rapes your daughter, seizes your hard-earned savings and takes control. If you do not submit, he will shoot your family members one by one. This is the kind of situation we are facing. The TARP bailouts will not benefit the economy. They benefit the very institutions that caused the problem in the first place.
If we do not submit to this plunder, then 'martial law' 'economic collapse', 'terror' (mainly false flag) is what we have been threatened with, and that is what we can certainly expect, unless we pull our heads out of the sand, stop trusting corrupt puppet politicians, and address the situation individually and collectively.
Quote from: Azorus on January 14, 2010, 09:11:50 AM
For those of you familiar with it, welcome The Fair Housing Act.
http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/FHLaws/yourrights.cfm
From what I read, if you're over 55(I am), and you have a family(maybe in the future
(?)), you're out of luck renting a place to live because the Govt exempted those landlords from that provision.
Is that accurate, Azorus?
--Lee
@silverfish, with respect to your Reply #316:
I don't have a lot of time on this borrowed computer, but I agree with practically everything you said. Well said!
But your last sentence suggested that ordinary people stand up and demand accountability from corrupt politicians(that was the gist)?
Americans often can't agree on a great deal, anyway. Too many ethnic groups, cultures and different religions, for starters.
Like Israel: If it weren't for the Arab Muslim presence on their borders, they would be at each other's throats. I heard a Rabbi say that and I'm Jewish. He's right; I know what the people are like.
--Lee
That is accurate, however that is not where it ends. The Fair housing act is meant that no one can; Section 109 prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex or religion in programs and activities receiving financial assistance from HUD's Community Development and Block Grant Program. This means that anyone is able to own a house. I choose the word able careful. In accordance with this program banks set up special departments to get people into house rather than to rent because it was in the banks intrest to have people take more loans out. This worked against the banks in the end when unemployment/underemployment rose, because they had give so many sub prime loans out to people that just could not afford it. You know the rest of the story. In the end it is part banker fualt and part government fualt. Having said that right now who is suffering from it?
Lee, ran across this today, apparently we're not the only ones who had this figured out some time ago (remember what we both said way back in this thread?):
http://seekingalpha.com/article/182072-here-comes-the-double-dip-recession
Tony
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 14, 2010, 02:01:48 PM
@silverfish, with respect to your Reply #316:
I don't have a lot of time on this borrowed computer, but I agree with practically everything you said. Well said!
But your last sentence suggested that ordinary people stand up and demand accountability from corrupt politicians(that was the gist)?
Americans often can't agree on a great deal, anyway. Too many ethnic groups, cultures and different religions, for starters.
Like Israel: If it weren't for the Arab Muslim presence on their borders, they would be at each other's throats. I heard a Rabbi say that and I'm Jewish. He's right; I know what the people are like.
--Lee
Point taken, thanks for replying. What I am trying to say is that we have been artificially divided and ruled through belief, race, colour, religion, caste, political parties, doesn't matter what. We see everything in terms of what separates us and think of ourselves as isolated entities. So when someone is oppressed by the system and has their freedom taken away, we say, that's tough, but it doesn't affect me.
The problem is that this person's loss is everyone's loss. Right now legislation is actually being discussed to ban free speech on the internet, to infiltrate groups that the government decides are promoting 'conspiracy theories' and use provocateur methods to get them fighting with each other. Loosely defined 'conspiracy theory' means anyone who disagrees with the government and its pronouncements. Suggestions are being made to tax or fine 'conspiracy theorists', whatever that loosely applied term means.
If you've read Orwell, then you'll remember the concept of 'thought crime'. We'll, we're there already! Freedom and independance of thought are both under direct assault. This is something that affects every one of us, not just a minority.
Together, we can beat this, divided, we fall... the idea of a threat is often used to unite people against an enemy, usually a false threat, and a false enemy. Does that make sense? If you are the kind of person that researches and really tries to find out what is happening in the world, the real danger becomes painfully obvious soon enough.
Ask yourself, if you DON'T demand accountability from those supposedly assigned to protect you, what is the alternative? ZERO accountability. It means they can say and do what they like, and you are considered fair game.
According to the insane legislation now being proposed, half the people on this forum could be arrested for having 'dissenting views'. This is a fact, and if you doubt it, I suggest you study Cass Sunstein's pronouncements -
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-favorite-for-supreme-court-justice-sunstein-wants-to-ban-guns-free-speech.html
ATT said:
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Lee, ran across this today, apparently we're not the only ones who had this figured out some time ago (remember what we both said way back in this thread?):
http://seekingalpha.com/article/182072-here-comes-the-double-dip-recession
Tony
Tony,
Excellent article. We did say the 'double dip' was coming, and we'll prove in in due course.
That disaster in Haiti is adding to the Western Hemispheric monetary problem(s). Money going down a hole. I sure can't afford to contribute to disaster relief;
who can in a recession like this one?
As an aside:
More and more big earthquakes are occurring lately. Is this something in the way of a future general trend? Do New Age pundits(I think) predict this in their prophecy? I remember awhile ago, they did, but it was years ago.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 16, 2010, 01:47:24 PM
More and more big earthquakes are occurring lately...Do New Age pundits(I think) predict this in their prophecy?
Probably, there's been enough prognostication thrown around over the years to pretty much cover all the bases.
Along the lines of subliminal 'global consciousness', maybe the Princeton Egg has generated some new data that correlates with current events, haven't been over there for a couple of years now:
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/
I'll have to have a look at earthquake stats, too, now that you mention it:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqarchives/year/eqstats.php
EDIT:
Here's another quake link that might be more informational:
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.html
Tony
@silverfish
Your previous posting did have a great deal of truth to it.
There are most likely Rightist factions in the Gov't that would like to squash free speech entirely.
However, these people are WAY outnumbered by gun-toting Americans who won't give up said guns willingly(I'm not one of them. My medical past disallows my owning a gun.)
When the economy cpllapses, there may be a showdown.
--Lee
I loved the article http://seekingalpha.com/article/182072-here-comes-the-double-dip-recession
Where some of his numbers are a bit on the extreme, he does outline one thing that is very true that a lot have missed. If your job losses continue to rise, and job creation is lowering it is impossible to have a lower unemployment rate ie November 2009. And as his article also points out we will continue to see unemployment increase through most of 2010, because of no stimulus jobs. Most people will notice that stimulus money has been given to large corporations to create or save jobs, which in November the government no longer made it a requirement for them to track which jobs they made, or saved and to lump it into one number, thus making the number worthless. Of the 2 trillion dollars that where to be spent on infustruture projects, where is it?
Azorus said:
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I loved the article http://seekingalpha.com/article/182072-here-comes-the-double-dip-recession ... Of the 2 trillion dollars that where to be spent on infustruture projects, where is it?
@Azorus
It isn't merely $2 trillion. More like $4 trillion. A conservative American cable TV commentator remarked, using a blackboard, that AIG insurance, the auto industry, banks, and other were bailed out by the Gov't.
They borrowed the money because there isn't that much available in the economy. They'll probably need to borrow the money for interest payments, which will compound the problem.
This isn't any answer to the *problem*.
Even California's economy, where I live, has been described as not only a train wreck, but a high speed bullet train wreck about to happen.
It's only a matter of time, as I said before.
--Lee
I was only going after the 2 trillion the article hinted at as disappearing, but agreed that it would be more like 4 trillion that would have disappeared in total, if you don't count stupid superbowl ads. And they will prolly spend it on interest payments to forien criditors, which in turn will make the global economy fall again with the us, when we can not make the next payment of intrest. All and all a bad situation. Check out what Maine did today to try and balance there budget, it's on cnn, under us tab.
Quote from: Azorus on January 19, 2010, 02:26:24 PM
And they will prolly spend it on A to forien criditors, which in turn will make the global economy fall again with the us, when we can not make the next payment of intrest. All and all a bad situation.
I absolutely agree, Azorus. "The end is nigh", as it was once said. I noticed on your Overunity stats that you're a European? Are things as bad in Europe as they are here in the States?
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Check out what Maine did today to try and balance there budget, it's on cnn, under us tab.
I'll look at it.
Reedit:The article was gone on CNN. However the periodical papers,
NY Times and the
Bangor Daily News indicated in articles that steep budget cuts were possible. Was that what you were referring to?
--Lee
The article I was refering to was one that involed the governers grand plan to save the states budget for 2011 was to cut half the state jobs, ie schools, traffic repair/control. in order to cut the States defacet in half.
And no things are not as bad in europe.
Quote from: Azorus on January 20, 2010, 08:27:43 AM
...the governers grand plan to save the states budget for 2011 was to cut half the state jobs, ie schools, traffic repair/control. in order to cut the States defacet in half.
I think the State of Maine may not be able to function adequately if they did that.
But, I'm surprised Gov. Swartznegger in California hasn't done that yet. It might be coming, though.
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And no things are not as bad in europe.
Well, fortunately, America is bordered by two oceans and the Gulf of Mexico. Muslims can't sneak up on us that way. Mexico and Canada are another problem.
If the War on Terror goes badly (likely, in the long term), there's nothing to stop the Muslims from imitating Genghis Khan and approaching Eastern Europe like Genghis did, but with a more modern, larger army this time.
The Americans and NATO can't win militarily.
--Lee
Muslim's are not the problem. Not sure who refered to it but we are seeing the similarity here as in the Roman empire. People have forgotten the value of real things, like real food, not processed crap that kills you. While I agree that science is great some of it is bad too. What happened to the idea of getting the freshist vegetables to the table? Instead it has turned to getting the chemically indueced fresh vegetables to the table. There is a real problem here. It falls way back to values. If you don't value what you eat, breath, or do for work you will become a lacky that can be written off, which is what has happened because corporations see that most people are stupid brainless morons that will do what they are told to by the idiot box.
Quote from: Azorus on January 20, 2010, 02:39:59 PM
Muslim's are not the problem.
You're right. Moderate Muslims aren't a problem. Some of their leaders are radical, Fascist/Rightist agitators, who whose founding leaders were originally recruited by Hitler to destabilize SW Asia in WWII. Some of them are/were sociopaths, then and now.
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Not sure who refered to it but we are seeing the similarity here as in the Roman empire. People have forgotten the value of real things, like real food, not processed crap that kills you.
Exactly. I agree.
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While I agree that science is great some of it is bad too.
Building deadly weapons is bad, I agree, if that's part of your point.
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What happened to the idea of getting the freshist vegetables to the table? Instead it has turned to getting the chemically indueced fresh vegetables to the table. There is a real problem here.
Yeah, greed and the money people desire are the reason. More profits are the source of poor food we eat.
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It falls way back to values. If you don't value what you eat, breath, or do for work you will become a lacky that can be written off, which is what has happened because corporations see that most people are stupid brainless morons that will do what they are told to by the idiot box.
I regret to say it, but too many people were made that way by an American education system that the politicians wanted, and the people put up with.
--Lee
I am not saying by any means that the education system has failed in the US. but lets face it, we are losing the battle. The war is not over until all signs of intelegence are wiped out of the US and that is not gonna happen in my lifetime. Parents need to stand up and being one, need to get there kids into learning, anything! What kind of country have we come to when the majority of our nations education level is that of a 10th grader. for god sakes people educate yourselves, the internet is there for that. If you don't take advantage of it now it will go away, just look at public libraries.
"the banks getting closed go up and up.. up and up.. up and up"
17 so far this year with more to come.
Quote from: Azorus on January 25, 2010, 12:18:46 PM
"the banks getting closed go up and up.. up and up.. up and up"
17 so far this year with more to come.
Very good, Azorus.
Here's a good reason, that may be a reiteration of an earlier post:
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/1116/opinions-great-depression-economy-on-my-mind.html
He's right. Printing more and more money does no good. And recently, the housing initiative for first-time buyers is winding down, thus causing a steep drop in home bought---16+ % drop instead of the predicted 11% drop.
The 'double dip' may be starting.
--Lee
I like the fact that earlier today the fed warned big banks that the interest rates are likely to rise soon, without notice! wait wouldn't that be a notice?
i don't understand the concern... are you all incapable of hunting your own meat, growing your own produce and building your own shelter? if you are incapable of the above, i suggest you aren't as smart as you would like to think nor very well educated in the things that really matter...
the poll doesn't have my choice which would be: i don't care if the american economy improves.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 25, 2010, 01:46:12 PM
Very good, Azorus.
Here's a good reason, that may be a reiteration of an earlier post:
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/1116/opinions-great-depression-economy-on-my-mind.html
He's right. Printing more and more money does no good. And recently, the housing initiative for first-time buyers is winding down, thus causing a steep drop in home bought---16+ % drop instead of the predicted 11% drop.
The 'double dip' may be starting.
--Lee
The families that own the banks don't care if the small fish go down. Why should they, when they own the small fish? when the agenda is to amalgemate and centralise power into a global banking system?
Forget about 'green shoots' - recovery is not part of the plan, never has been.
If you think these bailouts are to protect the economy, you are missing the point. The plan was to crash the economy from the start by withdrawing money from circulation, stopping banks from lending, burst the housing/derivatives bubbles they created - which, by the way, we haven't seen the last of yet - create new 'green' bubbles with the carbon credit scam - just look at Al Gore, Pachauri and JP Morgan's business dealings and you get the idea - lend poor countries money created out of thin air ostensibly to deal with their fictional 'carbon problem' and when they default on the loans, penalise them by monopolising their industrial infrastructure, or disallowing it under draconian new eco-regulations.
The IMF has been busy with this piracy for years. With a global centralised 'green' bureacracy to 'save the planet' the parasitic process will be 100 times more efficient - and our gullibility, lack of critical thinking and inability to collectively take action will enslave us.
We will see the economy degrade. When a full collapse occurs, in tandem with other engineered events, the 'saviours' will step forth - with their 'solution'
Believe me, you don't want to be part of that solution.
Quote from: Azorus on January 25, 2010, 02:14:24 PM
I like the fact that earlier today the fed warned big banks that the interest rates are likely to rise soon, without notice! wait wouldn't that be a notice?
Well, if they didn't say why, someone should ask! The Fed could risk irreparable damage to their economic 'face' if the said economy deteriorated without them noticing it, and then raise rates rates in a hurry to compensate.
(I'm being facetious and sarcastic at the same time. Did you see that, anyone?)
Also, have a look at this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100123/ap_on_bi_ge/us_obama_s_economy
NOTE:This article may be replaced by fresher news in the future. If so, GOOGLEize "obama faces perilous choice" and see if it was archived on a database.
--Lee
I really don't know if it is much of a surprise anymore but the economy is still a slump. CNN reported earlier that the housing market, while better in larger cities, is still falling with fourclosures up for January. There has been no really move in the unemployment market, with early reporting figures in still at around 10% unemployment, but trends on highering are up, just not much. The state of the union address over with big stresses on jobs, we will see where the first quarter of 2010 takes us, either up or down.
Quote from: Azorus on January 28, 2010, 10:46:16 AM
I really don't know if it is much of a surprise anymore but the economy is still a slump. CNN reported earlier that the housing market, while better in larger cities, is still falling with fourclosures up for January. ...
You're right, Azorus. The housing stimulus for new homeowners is winding down, and as a result, sales of existing homes has fallen for two straight months.
Not a good sign, to say the least.
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... There has been no really move in the unemployment market, with early reporting figures in still at around 10% unemployment, but trends on highering are up, just not much. ...
Correct again. I saw that on the TV news. Times will be rough for a long period. No end in sight, really.
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... The state of the union address over with big stresses on jobs, we will see where the first quarter of 2010 takes us, either up or down.
Obama could have done that earlier, instead of concentrating on health care. Whether he did or not probably won't make much difference. It's going to get
really bad everywhere, eventually.
--Lee
Hi all,
Here is an good article I found:
An Analysis of the IMF's World Economic Outlook for 2010
http://seekingalpha.com/article/184723-an-analysis-of-the-imf-s-world-economic-outlook-for-2010
4Tesla
Quote from: 4Tesla on January 29, 2010, 01:43:33 AM
Hi all,
Here is an good article I found:
An Analysis of the IMF's World Economic Outlook for 2010
http://seekingalpha.com/article/184723-an-analysis-of-the-imf-s-world-economic-outlook-for-2010
4Tesla
@4Tesla
Good article. Things haven't changed, though. Monetary problems haven't been addressed. The bubble Obama re-inflated will burst like the first one.
The article didn't say that, though.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 29, 2010, 01:33:07 PM
@4Tesla
Good article. Things haven't changed, though. Monetary problems haven't been addressed. The bubble Obama re-inflated will burst like the first one.
The article didn't say that, though.
--Lee
There's more information available:
Has everyone heard of Glenn Beck, the conservative cable TV economist/commentator?
On 2 Feb., this year, he alluded to why the economy hasn't been fixed by Obama and Congress:
1) The American debt/asset worth ratio in 1929 was 16%. Now it's a lot worse at 96%, and a lot of that debt is owed to China.
2) Unsecured debt(credit cards, etc,) is something like $10-15 trillion. For SSI and SSDI, it's $107 trillion. Not including medical expense/debt. Trillions more on top of that. This wasn't nearly as big a problem in 1929. Beck said this was too big to be paid off by anyone. Impossible.
3) In 1929, people mostly owned their residential houses and were capable of growing a garden; not today. My mom's mother was a lot more self-reliant then than most people are now. She had a small farm and grew a garden. People today depend on store-bought food.
I admit, I do, too. I realize I'm in the same boat as most people, but I'll have to deal with that like everyone else, too.
All this adds up, even if I'm reading from hastily written notes. Another set of 'nails in the coffin', so to speak.
--Lee
There was an article yesterday in the NYT stating that they US has hit a cross roads. We have two choices either we devalue the dollar to the point where no nation will buy our dept, and we can sell products again to creat an American industry sector again Or we keep creating more Dollars in hopes that inflation will stem off to the point where we can keep our way of life in false hopes.
Quote from: Azorus on February 04, 2010, 12:54:22 AM
There was an article yesterday in the NYT stating that they US has hit a cross roads. We have two choices either we devalue the dollar to the point where no nation will buy our dept, and we can sell products again to creat an American industry sector again...
This is a mixed proposition. No nation will buy our debt, but our domestic products will be so cheap it might restart the economy. Other countries have done the same thing. Our debt is so severe, however, our creditor countries would be
really! unhappy if we devalued the dollar.
I see no good way out of this. We're way too far behind and deep in debt.
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...Or we keep creating more Dollars in hopes that inflation will stem off to the point where we can keep our way of life in false hopes.
Inflation, as a cure, can cause a depression, which make the cure as bad as the disease which started the Great Recession.
It's a
"d@mned if you do and d@mned if you don't" scenario.
--Lee
I think that was the point of the whole article, we are screwed either way. a few more articles are out today for all you fark.com is a great place to see them. the new articles go on to explain why we are damned pretty much.
Quote from: Azorus on February 05, 2010, 01:21:04 AM
I think that was the point of the whole article, we are screwed either way. a few more articles are out today for all you fark.com is a great place to see them. the new articles go on to explain why we are damned pretty much.
I agree. Here's another:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100212/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/us_wall_street
China is rattling the nerves of financial markets worldwide with uncertainty of the final outcome with respect to the article above. (The article may or may not be replaced by fresher news at a later date without being archived.)
What is certain is that Portugal, Spain, Ireland and Greece are hurting for more money in a big way. This is also not helping calming people's anxiety toward the future of money markets. Even if the American money bubble was re-inflated by Obama, the future is less than rosy for a number or reasons, IMHO.
--Lee
Best failed list ever! With more than 450 banks added to the troubled banking list this year promises to be a fun one. And the new addition to banking problems, the Credit Act! Yes that is right the Credit Act promises to make more banks fail because they can no longer turn to the easy income of jacking up credit card intrest rates on unsuspecting slobs. Good Luck to all this fine year of 2010!
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html
Quote from: Azorus on February 25, 2010, 03:53:10 PM
Best failed list ever! With more than 450 banks added to the troubled banking list this year promises to be a fun one. And the new addition to banking problems, the Credit Act! Yes that is right the Credit Act promises to make more banks fail because they can no longer turn to the easy income of jacking up credit card intrest rates on unsuspecting slobs. Good Luck to all this fine year of 2010!
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html
I agree wholeheartedly. There's something else:
Have you see what's happening in Greece? Social unrest with violent riots in the streets. If France or Germany doesn't come to their aid financially, "there'll be hell to pay", as it were. And then there's Portugal, Ireland and Spain waiting in line with additional requests for help. Glenn Beck, the conservative American TV commentator, says Europe is a 'powderkeg', and I know what he means.
Have a look at this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100225/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_europe_age_of_austerity
NOTE:This article may be replaced with fresher news, unless it's archived on some particular server database.
If so, GOOGLize: "european union pushes cuts indebted countries".
Quote from: Azorus on February 04, 2010, 12:54:22 AM
There was an article yesterday in the NYT stating that they US has hit a cross roads. ...
According to this,
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/07/23/the_china_bubbles_coming_but_not_the_one_you_think
China also has a decision to make at a sort of crossroads:
Continue to buy Treasuries with dollars, and, at the same time, continue to inflate an ever-growing bubble;
or,
"see the light" and try to cushion The Economic Fall buy getting away from dollars as an investment currency or debt payment from the USA.
"Another nail in the coffin." There are a growing number already tightening the lid.
--Lee
Quote from: Azorus on February 05, 2010, 01:21:04 AM
I think that was the point of the whole article, we are screwed either way. a few more articles are out today for all you fark.com is a great place to see them. the new articles go on to explain why we are damned pretty much.
Azorus, and others who say that, are right:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread550491/pg1
(There are other sites which expound upon the same thing, but they're more explicit in their language.) GOOGLize,
"confirmed march 24 2010 doomsday" for other blog entries.
The general consensus in Britain, some say, is that there is no effective 'recovery' and people there as well as elsewhere(read: the States) are really getting fed up with the professional politicians.
So what's new?
If they get scared enough about the future, they
may think they have little or nothing to live for. Mob mentality can be dangerously unpredictable.
We'll all just have to wait until the 24th to be sure.
RECENT REEDIT:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100310/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_britain_financial_crisis
Britain is looking more like Greece lately.
--Lee
Lee said:
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Britain is looking more like Greece lately.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29330.html
China does indeed have a bubble. But, other analysts maintain that the Chinese economy isn't as dependent on housing sales like the American economy was. Chinese officials are moving to curb price growth in the real estate market now. Whether or not that's successful remains to be seen.
--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok said:
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Britain is looking more like Greece lately.
...And America is going down the same path as Greece.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_power_and_debt_analysis
--Lee
Who do governments borrow money from? They borrow it from people who do nothing but gamble for a living. They dont produce anything transport anything provide any type of service. They call it passive income for a reason. You get income from being passive. Passive means to do nothing. Governments issue things like bonds and then pay off the bonds with interest when they mature. The bond holders make profit doing nothing. So people who are doing something have to give people who are doing nothing money. The answer to the global financial crisis is to welch on all the debt. From some poor soul working 12hours a day to stay alive to governments paying off notes and bonds. Fuck all of em. Wealth in an illusion. Take the typical realestate closing. They charge you a down payment all sorts of fees and shit called closing costs just so you can sign a piece of paper that says they can fuck you for the next 30years monthly. They never did anything but fuck you and you have to pay for the privelege to get fucked. Prostitution is illegal but financial rape and extortion are backedup by the law.
@sparks
With respect to your Reply #355,
I believe, what you're referring to in mentioning 'passive income', is financial usury. This is greed, plain and simple. Usury and the greed which starts is in the first place have their own punishment as a reward. In a phrase: Economic depression. That's over and over again. People never learn, do they?
--Lee
Its an very informative thanx to share ths!
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Most governments borrow money from financial institutes. These financial firms get there money from savings, or deposits the banks has at the time. Each bank is given a set limit of how much of these deposits they must have on hand at all times in order to provide there customers with cash they need, the rest of the money the bank can use to lend out. Pay attention cause this is what gets banks in trouble. banks can invest this money anyway they choose, either through government securities or riskier gambles like hedge funds or commercial/ private loans. Now to finish your question government securities or for the US treasure bills, can be bought and sold by banks to earn money through the "loan" loan of real money to the government.
to big m and everyone concerned,I heard Jim Rawles speak last night on the coming crisis.He has a very good survival blog with thousands of free articles.I spent this morning on learning which types of food and how much to store away for one person per year.Its less than you thought.http://survivalblog.com/ Check it out for yourself.triffid
I forgot to say I heard him on coasttocoastam radio last night.www.coasttocoastam.com its a good forum for the fringe I guess you would say.I am fringe too however.I find life more intersting that way.Triffid
30lbs of brown rice,10lbs iodized salt,220lbs whole wheat grain,50lbs whole corn,20lbs whole oats,96 lbs oils and fats,canned fruit vegetables and meat build up a two year supplythat you can rotate ,sugars of all kinds 50 lbs per person.http://survivalblog.com/
per person/per year
ground flour lasts 2 or three years,ground corn lasts 18-36 months.keep your olive oil frozen or it goes rancid on you.Lots of good tips.http://survivalblog.com/ He says to start you need to buy 2 to 3 times your normal amount and store the surplus.
I hope we don't have to go back to carrying guns like we did in the old west.But when chinese manufacturing workers make 81 cents an hour compared to $29 something an hour in the west.Its no wonder China is winning big this time around.80% of Obamas 2 billion dollars for green energy went to make jobs for the chinese.The chinese are getting orders for the wind turbines from the USA instead of making them at home here in the USA.triffid
The chinese make and sell about ten timesmore photo cell panels than what the USA does.The big wind farms here in west texas are buying their wind turbines from china.
triffid
The chinese are winning big in "the green revolution".Workers in the USA might get to maintain the wind farms but they don't get to make them.Triffid
Chineese are winning at what? Is their population going to be more healthy happier or wiser. I seriously doubt it. They are just the newest nation of slaves to be exploited. They are going to chase the golden ring that the master is going to sew into their nose. A subsistance farmer has to work maybe 5hours on average a day. How many hours a day are the chineese slaves working in the industrial sweatshops. How much increase in lung cancer from smelting operations running with zero enviromental discharge restraints will the chineese experience. Who will feed the workers as rice paddies are mowed under for urban sprawl. In florida where I now live there use to be orange groves for miles on end. There was a tower which was maybe 50 or 60 feet tall. (This is real tall for florida because it is basically flat) From up there back in the 70's the only thing one could see was orange groves and one highway snaking through it in all directions. Now it is just asphalt. Some on the ground and some on the roofs. I am not one to stand in the way of progress as long as you know where are heading.
Quote from: triffid on March 12, 2010, 10:08:32 AM
The chinese are winning big in "the green revolution".Workers in the USA might get to maintain the wind farms but they don't get to make them.Triffid
I think Chinese products are suspected, by me and others, of being shoddy in quality. American firms will get what they pay for. Only diligence on the part of U.S. regulatory agencies in charge of compliance inspection to adequate safety standards will begin to assure that these foreign products are safe to use.
Up to a point.
Anyone can be forced by political pressure to 'look the other way' or be bought off with a bribe.
--Lee
Made in USA and Made in CHina are not what they were 20 years ago. Cars made in USA are already at the bottom end of the quality range globally.
I see the whole picture flipping before we've completed another 20 years. China will be hiring USA workers to do their dirty work. Manufacturing clothes, growing food, and easier medium to easy assembly. The US$ is now artificially being kept high, by huge loans against low interests. Tis will not last forever, and the inherent value of the currency will sink when the loans stop to keep it afloat. The loans now support the dollar going in as well as out. CHina has done everything over the past year to keep their Yuan low enough for the US to keep buying their goods. When the US loses buying power, and China can focus on other markets, the dollar is in trouble.
Assembled in the USA stamped on everything. This would make the unemployment in China rise as their factory workers are laid off. The idle workers will have to seek other forms of employment which ususally entails illegal activities.
An elite class will evolve in China who will control who and when people get paid. The trickle down process will be initiated and those not getting wet will resort to crime in order to survive. The rise to the top is not paved with gold. It is paved with broken lives. Welcome to the military industrial complex China.
Quote from: sparks on March 13, 2010, 09:13:43 AM
...An elite class will evolve in China who will control who and when people get paid. The trickle down process will be initiated and those not getting wet will resort to crime in order to survive. ...
There are already Tongs in China. The Mexicans have the drug cartels, along with the Colombians. The Italians have the Mob and organized crime extensions in the States. The Russians have the Blatnoi(Russian Mafia).
We have politicans. Anything new, here?
No.This type of living always catches up whoever thinks they can get away with it. Stupid, really.
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... The rise to the top is not paved with gold. It is paved with broken lives.
There is no long lasting 'top'. Hitler should have finally realized that. The same will happen with China and North Korea. It's only a matter of time.
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Welcome to the military industrial complex China.
I don't think the Chinese are smart enough, on their own, to compete with us. They need to steal what they want. The Russians, too. However, I believe, American politicans are responsible for some of the deleterious decisions made to
not stop some of the advanced technology transfer to outside interests that don't have our well-being at heart.
--Lee
http://www.allpestco.com/2009/06/homemade-raccoon-traps/ How to put meat on your table when the stores have closed down and the food trucks are no longer running.The barrel trap(#2) sounds good to me.Triffid
http://www.wild-about-trapping.com/tips/tips_020_homemade_swivels.htm
http://www.snare-trap-survive.com/Buckshots-Survival-Snaring-Advanced-Snaring-DVDs-S.htm More help at putting meat on your table.Triffid
http://www.survival-homestead.com/how-to-make-a-trap.html How to make a simple trap.This is the one I was looking for.Triffid
How close are you to feeding yourself. Kill your power. Lose your money. Now provide.
Quote from: X00013 on March 15, 2010, 08:08:26 PM
How close are you to feeding yourself. Kill your power. Lose your money. Now provide.
@triffid
With respect to Replies 371, 372 & 373:
Sounds like a good idea. I was a Boy Scout as a teenager, but I didn't take the program seriously at that time. I realize my mistake now.
@X00013
I'm lucky enough to live at the edge of the Northern California wilderness, but the environment has been polluted by vested interests for generations. Survival would be difficult nowadays, even for native tribesmen of the Bay Area if they managed to be transported in time and space to the present day.
Fortunately, I'm told I live in a newly renovated high rise that's earthquake resistant.
--Lee
I'm doing a little research in the hopes of getting people to realize that they can avoid starvation.I live out in the country here in texas.If a person realizes they can eat meat by trapping some wildlife then they may be less likely to use a gun on their neighbors just to eat.Triffid
In case you didn't know Some high level court decided that mercury in vaccines does not cause autism .Therefore more mercury may be added to our food supplies.Because government research holds mercury harmless.Therefore some high court may decide that pollution is not an issue.I have read Kevin Trudeas book on health cures they don't want you to know about.He talks on how he was part of a secret group that decided to increase the number of vaccines to trigger an increase in autism.He was in the meetings where he was told the agenda at least.So hes not my favorite guy but I trust him in that one issue.Today by law a child is required to have 20 vaccines by the age of 1. 36 by the age of 5.Autism in 1980 was 1 in 10,000.Today it is 1 in 91.So you tell me whats going on?Triffid
Today I found out that banks were behind the low prices of silver for many years(around $4.00 an ounce) by shorting it on wall street.So the banks again emerge as the bad guys here.AIG was a big player here.Their buying the silver to cover their short position may have single handedly drove the price from $4.00 to $8.00.Triffid
So until we get major reforms in washington I see the bones of the little people being left out in the sun to bleach While the banks and bankers run this country the rest of the way into the ground.I see a day when the dollar is worthless.And people jump out of windows because they are ruined.Of course the banks and bankers will have advanced notice so their assets will be safe.Triffid
Hi all,
I haven't been following this thread.. have you all seen this 60 Minutes video?
Second Financial Economic Crash Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKlBJavw_X4
4Tesla
Quote from: triffid on March 16, 2010, 10:08:02 PM
...I live out in the country here in texas.If a person realizes they can eat meat by trapping some wildlife then they may be less likely to use a gun on their neighbors just to eat.Triffid
@triffid
Well, that's a nice thought, but hoping Texans will voluntarily give up their guns is a "tall order", as some Texans might say.
(I used to live in Houston, so I have some experience with the people living there.)
Charlton Heston said the authorities would have to pry his gun from his "cold, dead fingers". Some Texans feel the same way, I think.
--Lee
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 17, 2010, 01:06:44 PM
Hi all,
I haven't been following this thread.. have you all seen this 60 Minutes video?
Second Financial Economic Crash Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKlBJavw_X4
4Tesla
Unfortunately, I have no earphones available to listen to the video. However, whatever was said, I'd probably agree in principle to the subject of the video.
I get paid next month and will try to budget the headphone's cost and then see it in it's entirety.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 17, 2010, 05:30:30 PM
Unfortunately, I have no earphones available to listen to the video. However, whatever was said, I'd probably agree in principle to the subject of the video.
I get paid next month and will try to budget the headphone's cost and then see it in it's entirety.
I found a text version of this story:
Second Wave of the Housing Crisis
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/second-wave-of-the-housing-crisis.html
Take a look at the chart!
4Tesla
Don't Buy Real Estate in March 2010, buy 2012 and after
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEbl4JWqe1E
I read more about silver yesterday and found out that its JP Morgan(bank) now shorting the silver market to like 190 million ounces.They control 30-40% of the silver on the market.If they ever decide to cover their shorts for whatever reason.It may jack the price up to $100 an ounce.Keep in mind that underhanded(also quiet) shorting of silver has kept the price down for nearly 40 years(last 15 for sure).If you collect silver for yourself keep it to yourself.Don't tell family.Loose lips sink ships.Family will steal from you.I have a friend who buried 3 $1000 caches in the ground.He made a map to it on his property and told his exwife and two daughters where it was.One month later he discovers its all gone.Someone came and dug it up.From his own family.So keep quiet if you have silver.triffid
The following is a comment from a forum on body scanning at airports.He says what I feel about vaccines.So I felt it was worth posting here.triffid
If thePTB put “radition†scanners in airports,… then simply don’t fly!!!!! Likewise, if the Autism-causing mercury in infant vaccines (MMR, etc.) is not removed,… then simply don’t have your children vaccinated!!!!!! We must stop mindlessly going-along with the status quo, which is set-up by thePTB to rob us and PHYSICALLY HARM us!!!!!! P.S. Today, in central ohio, I counted 52 separate chemtrail lines!!!!
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Whoever is putting up the chemtrails to posion us is doing the same to themselves.All the weather patterns of the earth are interconnected.The dust from Mt.St.Helen went around the world many times.Even if they can survive underground for years.Why?Its a lot better aboveground.Triffid
Quote from: 4Tesla on March 18, 2010, 01:28:56 AM
I found a text version of this story:
Second Wave of the Housing Crisis
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/second-wave-of-the-housing-crisis.html
Take a look at the chart!
4Tesla
Good, 4tesla! Thank you!
I always thought the subprime mortgages were covered by the "Stimulus Package", but then, in the background, the 'option ARM' and 'Alt-A' mortgages would raise their rates to unaffordable levels for the average American.
And!, there's a lot of them. Good article. I agree with the article's premise, as I said I would.
There's something else:
What makes this whole scenario so bad is that lots of people believed either the housing bubble would continue for years and years, or that they were told---and believed---they could always refinance their loans in a couple of years in a strong market.
Wishful thinking on a record breaking scale.
--Lee
Loved the article. There is one problem with the time frame that is laid out, it does not take into account the amount of subprime mortgages that have already defaulted and have not been reclaimed. I guess what I'm saying is these new Alt-A mortgages will fall into the already back logged subprime, just creating an even longer depression. i suspect they are being overzelous with it coming lasting into 2012, I suspect it will be longer, more like 2014.
Quote from: Azorus on March 18, 2010, 03:32:41 PM
Loved the article. There is one problem with the time frame that is laid out, it does not take into account the amount of subprime mortgages that have already defaulted and have not been reclaimed. I guess what I'm saying is these new Alt-A mortgages will fall into the already back logged subprime, just creating an even longer depression. ...
By that, I assume you mean the properties are languishing on the American real estate market and clogging the banks' books with bad assets? If so, I agree the added delinquencies would depress the market further.
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... i suspect they are being overzelous with it coming lasting into 2012, I suspect it will be longer, more like 2014.
Oh, absolutely. And that's not all. There's economic pressure on another front:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5733723.ece
(My question is: Can Germany or France or the EU continue to bail out member states forever? Without serious social consequences? I think not.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/07/greece-default-debt-eu
(Same thing here. Other European countries have seen Greek history and may not help, especially concerning the 'running from the lion story' as related in the article. Greek citizens are more than a little upset at their Gov't's taxation and cutback plans.
The American cable TV economic/political commentator, Glenn Beck, predicts financial chaos if the American Gov't does the same as Greece to try and fix the economy.
More fuel for the fire. So, I agree with you Azorus.
--Lee
I got more info on silver today.It seems to me if an american bank like JP morgan can short 20-30% of the silver in the world and keep the price down for the past 15 years.Then they should be able to keep the price down for the next 5 years too.It depends on what the bank wants to do.Remember before JP Morgan it was AIG.triffid
The real problem with this is food and water and or heat when your state/feds fail to spoon feed you what they have denied you for so long. 99.99 % of the population cant fend for themselves via food or power. Ask yourself this, can i provide and live for 12 months on my own and provide for my children, and after that
Quote from: X00013 on March 20, 2010, 12:15:57 AM
...Ask yourself this, can i provide and live for 12 months on my own and provide for my children, and after that
I agree. If people aren't self-reliant, the whole world will end up looking like the movie,
"The Road", with Viggo Mortenson:
http://www.theroad-movie.com/
--Lee
Over the weekend I heard good news even though its about 3-5 years old.It seems that Iceland is trying to wean itself away from oil and natural gas by going over to hydrogen gas.Since they have so much geothermal power to generate electricity with .They are looking at getting the hydrogen by splitting water into h and o.The push was on to to develop add on hydrogen systems for any ICE powered car in the world.It seems that Germany is leading the way in hydrogen powered cars.Alan Alda was talking about it on a show on PBS tv.triffid
The show stated too that the car companies are determined to push us towards using hydrogen even though a battery powered car was developed with a 300 mile range.A two seater named the x-zero or x-one.triffid
I tried to find some info on that two seater but could not.I did find info on Stan and Iris Ovashinsky.More than anyone else they may pave the way towards us using hydrogen gas to get around on.triffid
http://www.pbs.org/saf/1506/features/ovshinsky.htm
I found bad news on Stan Ovshinsky's "half the cost of regular solar panel" solar panels.Read it and weep.Corporate greed triumphs again.Triffid
http://www.thegreenerhome.com/eblog/whatever-happened-to-low-cost-solar-power/
United Solar Ovonic is a wholly owned subsidiary of Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. therefore its out of his hands triffid
Yes, Iceland does have an abundant amount of geothermal activity going on. The latest from yesterday when lava is spotted coming out from under a glacier. :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcUa_g_XVrQ&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcUa_g_XVrQ&feature=player_embedded)
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018176163 (http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7018176163)
Now that thing could light up a few light bulbs, don’t you think?
And for a lot cheaper than a nuclear power plant.
Quote from: triffid on March 22, 2010, 11:02:47 AM
Over the weekend I heard good news even though its about 3-5 years old.It seems that Iceland is trying to wean itself away from oil and natural gas by going over to hydrogen gas.
That's all well and good, as far as that goes. However, if their economy collapses, can their farmers or fishermen feed the country on available farmland or dwindling oceanic fauna?
I GOOGLized "iceland food production imports": Iceland probably imports about 100,000 metric tonnes of different, various kinds of foods this year and last, at least. Cereals, sugar and similar items, for example. Things they need but can't be acquired in Iceland's yearly weather.
And also: Corrugated iron and similar specialized items. Not that much heavy industry on Iceland.
If they have no money or less of it, the lack thereof will be a problem for them.
--Lee
I guess geothermal production of electrical power is the main thing Iceland has going for it.They have the cheap electrical power to refine aluminum.There were about 300,000 people in the country in 2005.Maybe more now?A pound of aluminum requires so much electricity to refine it that you could almost consider it solid electricity.triffid
Quote from: triffid on March 23, 2010, 09:56:29 PM
I guess geothermal production of electrical power is the main thing Iceland has going for it.They have the cheap electrical power to refine aluminum.
That's right. Lots and lots of heat. That recent volcano erupting has melted it way all the way through the glacier it under. The patch of bare rock is getting bigger. And, there's a bigger volcano nearby that could even change the Earth's climate(natural nuclear winter---well, autumn).
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There were about 300,000 people in the country in 2005.Maybe more now?A pound of aluminum requires so much electricity to refine it that you could almost consider it solid electricity.triffid
That's true. I learned that in high school. That's why OU is so important.
To the thread topic:http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Euro-Sunk-As-Greece-Bailout-fxcm-4126397018.html?x=0&.v=1
http://thedailybell.com/781/The-Great-Greek-Unraveling-of-the-EU.html
(That second article is something to read carefully. If the EU falls apart politically and/or financially, that could destabilize a lot of the world's healthier economies---including ours, since England and that part of the world is so interconnected to our economy. It's all connected.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 03, 2009, 01:05:30 AM
@all
Even if this site below is religiously oriented, they actually do have a point:
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=6392.4873.0.0
Also:
http://dailyreckoning.com/yet-another-jobs-dilemma/
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=6097.4500.0.0
UPDATE:http://alldownriver.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-51045.html
http://fargoneworld.blogspot.com/2009/02/summer-of-rage-may-spill-into-worldwide.html
There are other articles available for downloading, of course, but my point is: After the Health Care vote in Congress, signed into law by the President, some congressional members, especially Democrats---including phone calls---were verbally threatened. Vandalism of their offices, etc.
This is a new one to me.
To say the least!!!!! But, since I live in a West Coast multistory, low income high rise, I'm going to budget more money in Apr. for cans of food. And, refrain from buying much for my refrigerator, since the power might fail
if the national social situation "goes south" and civil unrest erupts like the articles above speculate may happen.
--Lee
this vote shows you only one thing, there was more pessimist voting.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on March 24, 2010, 09:12:27 PM
this vote shows you only one thing, there was more pessimist voting.
Can you be more descriptive?
I notice, on TV and the local streets as well, people in this country are becoming furious that the politicians let the economy get away from their control.
That's the short answer. I can go into more detail, but OU Members can also look around themselves as well as I can.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 24, 2010, 09:29:15 PM
Can you be more descriptive?
I notice, on TV and the local streets as well, people in this country are becoming furious that the politicians let the economy get away from their control.
That's the short answer. I can go into more detail, but OU Members can also look around themselves as well as I can.
--Lee
then that is their own fault. avoiding a self blamer because you are to lazy to keep up with the times is self blatant. blame yourself for not keeping up with times on time.
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then that is their own fault. ...
Okay, they can take responsibility for their own actions. I'm not going to get involved with, or be the focus of, an angry mob when I don't have to. Obviously!
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...avoiding a self blamer because you are to lazy to keep up with the times is self blatant.
I don't follow this line of reasoning. Can you put it another way? In particular, if I'm presenting opinions here on any OU Forum, is that blatant to those who might disagree with me?
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...blame yourself for not keeping up with times on time.
I watch the cable local and national news daily. I know it's slanted toward a political ideology, one way or another, but I like to look at what actually happens and not pay close attention to any one political opinion over another. They're all the same to me.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 24, 2010, 10:01:02 PM
Okay, they can take responsibility for their own actions. I'm not going to get involved with, or be the focus of, an angry mob when I don't have to. Obviously! I don't follow this line of reasoning. Can you put it another way? In particular, if I'm presenting opinions here on any OU Forum, is that blatant to those who might disagree with me?I watch the cable local and national news daily. I know it's slanted toward a political ideology, one way or another, but I like to look at what actually happens and not pay close attention to any one political opinion over another. They're all the same to me.
--Lee
anything you cannot solve is your fault, no matter what. you can't avoid it no matter what, you can deny it but you will - always be at fault. laws of nature undiscovered! quoted by me.
the important thing is we survived and we did survive, without, any God.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on March 24, 2010, 10:20:10 PM
anything you cannot solve is your fault, no matter what. ...
If I don't know the particulars to a problem, or have no experience with it, all I can do is deal with it when I realize it for what it is. I don't know everything and am not responsible for other people's actions, even if a politician make a law that I disagree with. Vote him/her out? Doesn't work.
"Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the result to be different." --Glenn Beck, conservative cable political commentator.
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...you can't avoid it no matter what, you can deny it but you will - always be at fault.
An example of my point:
Some religionists may say I'm responsible so the Original Sin in the Garden of Eden. Because Adam sinned, I'm also responsible. Really, some would. Because I'm a Jew, and I wasn't then and there, and I refuse to take the blame for Adam's and Eve's actions.
I'm not "at fault" for something I didn't do. I recognize I have my problems, but no one will deal with them but me in my own time.
That is my responsibility, and I can accept that.
That's the extent of my belief system I've decided to relate to you.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 24, 2010, 10:38:45 PM
If I don't know the particulars to a problem, or have no experience with it, all I can do is deal with it when I realize it for what it is. I don't know everything and am not responsible for other people's actions, even if a politician make a law that I disagree with. Vote him/her out? Doesn't work.
"Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the result to be different."
--Glenn Beck, conservative cable political commentator.
An example of my point:
Some religionists may say I'm responsible so the Original Sin in the Garden of Eden. Because Adam sinned, I'm also responsible. Really, some would. Because I'm a Jew, and I wasn't then and there, I refuse to take the blame for Adam's and Eve's actions actions.
I'm not "at fault" for something I didn't do. I recognize I have my problems, but no one will deal with them but me in my own time. That is my responsibility, and I can accept that.
--Lee
you will never settle yourself until you agree, like I said, you can deny it all you want, everyone is guilty unless they can come up with an answer to the problem and deliver it. if you can not solve it then you are just as guilty as the one who committed it. laws of nature undiscovered! I have read the bible hundreds of times, if you even think it you are guilty of doing it. even as an Atheist I hold some value in ancient scripture absolute.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on March 24, 2010, 10:20:10 PM
anything you cannot solve is your fault, no matter what. you can't avoid it no matter what, you can deny it but you will - always be at fault. laws of nature undiscovered! quoted by me.
I've perceived things I understand, but refuse to tell you:
"Anyone who tells the absolute truth to someone who doesn't deserve it, is partly responsible for the indiscretions the other person causes."--Theosophist doctrine
(And I'm not a follower of their religion just accept this one quotation as being valid to me.)
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the important thing is we survived and we did survive, without, any God.
"You can follow your Path and I can follow mine. The destination is the same."--Theosophist doctrine
--Lee
QuoteYou can follow your Path and I can follow mine. The destination is the same."
How true! you are very wise. I don't say that lightly. besides, there is nothing in your head that has not been discovered in another mind. it holds true for even those you would call your enemy.
All economies are based on trust. When physcological attacks that spawn paranoia isolation and distrust are perpetrated what else but an economic collapse will insue. Nations stop putting money into farming and infrastructure and start buying security crap.
From what I have read it seems that lee and over are both right. Government has let spending get out of control, people have elected government. both right. You can change it by voting in people that will change spending, or we can keep going down the same path we are on now.
I don't blame republicans or democrats for the problems we as a nation face right now. the reason is because they both created it. It will take both parties to fix this mess, i just don't think either is willing to help the other at this point in time.
By the way we are up to 37 failed banks so far this year.
Uncontrolled spending by government is nothing new.I was alive in the 1970's and saw first hand what happened when the government printed money to pay for the vietnam war.Prices rose on everything (homes,Rv's).1979 saw $850 an ounce gold and $50.00 an ounce silver(Hunt brothers buying the silver here).Now its J.P. Morgan shorting it in 2010.I found a link to a "grow dome".If we all could build our own greenhouse to grow food in.It could look something like this.http://halfpasthuman.com/Growdome/Growdome09.htm
triffid
Plastic doesn't have to be clear to allow enough light to come through for plants to grow.Triffid
I disagree with the current level of violence against our elected officials.Vote them out of office if you want.I have nothing against that.But bricks through the windows and bullets through the door make you a criminal.Pure and simple.Today I heard someone fired a shot into an elected officials office somewhere.We are not fighting Nazis here.triffid
The healthcare issue was personal for Obama as he saw his mother battle insurance companies to the (her) end from cancer.Some of us might have forgotten that or never knew it.My own mother died from cancer in 1994.So I can relate.Triffid
Just when you thought we weren't going to talk about the chinese anymore I found this on www.earthfiles.com.
The fact that NASA computers can be accessed and downloaded by nations such as China, does that imply perhaps one of our blind sides in the past was that companies that make computers had the computers constructed by Chinese labor and perhaps backdoors and accesses to all computers going to the United States and other countries were engineered during the Chinese assembly of computers so Chinese intelligence would have easy access, even to computers that you would think would have serious firewalls.
triffid
Another detail I found on www.earthfiles.com talk about increasing seed costs for farmers since 1996.We have to step back and ask ourselves, ‘Why have we had to step up this chemical warfare on soybean, cotton and corn farms so dramatically since 1996? I think fundamentally the answer is: a technology came along â€" genetic engineering â€" where the private sector realized there were some ways to create patent-protected profits in major crops that were associated with these pesticide management kind of traits turning the crops into little mini-insecticide factories creating herbicide-tolerant crops. Right now the honeybees and bats are dying(honeybees again) possibly due to genetically engineered crops.So we create plants that make their own insecticides.The bugs eat the plants the bats eat the bugs and die.triffid
Just as I thought J.P. Morgan wins again over weak government.http://www.zerohedge.com/article/whistleblower-exposes-jp-morgans-silver-manipulation-scheme triffid
@triffid
With respect to your Reply #421,
I hadn't thought of genetically engineered crops being their own self-generating insecticide factories. No wonder, then, that other bees won't eat remaining honey in bee colonies that collapse. It's poisoned.
And, one third of commercial crops are pollinated by bees. This is a worsening problem, if that's the certain, proveable cause. Food shortages!!
The question is, do bees simply fly away and die, or do they die in the hive and therefore demonstrate the cause of their demise by chemical analysis?
--Lee
Short answer is bees die because there basic diet has been replaced with crop fields. Long answer is wild bees feed on wild flowers which you cant find so much anymore. Plant one acre or more of unmolested wild flowers next to your wanted yield of man made fruit/vegies, and your hive will be somthing to be scared of. And if you are a good observer, you will observe the colony prefers the wild stuff. Find me a bee guy with over an acre of wild flowers that bitchn about bee disorder death and i will... lost connection
Quote from: triffid on March 26, 2010, 08:11:52 AM
I disagree with the current level of violence against our elected officials. ...
I agree absolutely.
But as long as people are scared of starving and also: Believing they have nothing to lose by potentially starving
(?), congress-men's/-women's security will need to be strengthened:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20100326_Intensity_of_threats_leads_to_tighter_lawmaker_security.html
http://videosift.com/video/Congress-threatened-with-Martial-Law-if-bill-is-not-passed
--Lee
The truth is we are way beyond being able to live with the tidbits nature provides. We need to replace nature as a fuel scource. When it comes right down to it the mitochondria of cells is what keeps us alive. They burn sugars. Then we breath in air which provides us with nitrogen and oxygen and we synthesize our cells from carbon oxygen nitrogen and water. There has got to be a way for chemists to produce sustenance instead of relying on nature to provide bounty. If we are to survive as a species it is time to be weened from the breast of nature. She's drying up anyway so lets start looking for at least a minimal 2000 calorie a day pill that will keep us from scavenging for meals three times a day and some good old h20. You can go hungry for days thirsty for a matter of hours. The elite would have us begging and borrowing from them for fresh water if we dont get a handle on this thing soon.
I can pull water from thin air using potassium chloride and use solar heat to release the water it trapped and repeat the cycle as long as I need to. So I can in theory fill large tanks with water pulled from the air.I don't think plants can be beat as a food source.I would like to see a chemist try.If you go to Mcdonalds and order chicken nuggets you are eating a bunch of chemicals(about 63 I think).So we are already eating God knows what.Tonight on ABC there was a two hour special on Jamie Oliver's "Food Revolution".He's famous in England for getting healthier foods into the school systems there.He was also on Oprah today with a critic turned convert for his cause.He started his quest for a healthier America in Huntington,West Va.From what I saw from him on Oprah.I would say
hes on the right path.The kids today will live shorter lifespans than their parents unless we turn the tide somehow.Jamie Oliver is here to help turn things around.So pay attention to him and watch him.triffid
Solar is good. That combined with reverse osmosis membranes to desalinate water is a good combination. If the desert nations would start investing oil dollars into solar instead of weapons to keep the wolves from the door they would be doing themselves and the rest of the world a great service. Even the frigging Zionists have deserts they could setup solar in. Then huge desalinization plants to turn the whole dried up rock strewn shithole into a producing nation instead of a bunch of idiots waiting around for God to do something special for them. Hes gonna do something special alright. Keep it up and hes gonna get rid of us all cause he doesnt have time to figure out who is stirring up all the shit. Hes just gonna say fuck it and its gonna start raining. Imagine the issues God has to deal with. Supernovas and blackholes. He doesnt have time for a bunch of idiots running around claiming they are special. We're all just smartmonkeys at the lowest rung of awareness. No God has ever spoken to any man ever. It would be like us talking to a house fly. FUTILE.
Huntington,West Va was selected by USA government sources as the most unhealthy city in the USA.So Jamie Oliver went there first because that city had the most deaths from obesity.His worst critic at first was a DJ from 9307 DAWG radio station.So I hope to follow the man's lead and learn more from him.triffid
The desert nations developed "drip irrigation" of crops.So they can turn the deserts into gardens if their will is strong enough.Politics always seem to get in the way.But we are the smart monkeys like you said so we should be able to figure things out and survive another million years.Triffid
The problem I see is that the people in power that can make things happen are too busy staying in power to make anything happen. They spend more time posturing and manuvering debating and showing how powerful they are than producing anything but krap. Basically a bunch of animals trying to be leader of the pack. Absolutely no idea how to lead just how to fight. 65million years later the dinosaur still roams.
IMHO, Germany was the last Country to truly challenge the World Banks over 50 years ago.
You heat/power your home how, gas, diesel, electric, wood, coal, what % of this enegy goes out as potential energy, the State/government doesnt care, as long as you keep paying your bill to them what you could be doing yourself. Only if u could find a home Carnot cycle engine.
To big M .That first website on solar panels is almost a complete course by itself.I did not see a blocking diode mentioned anywhere.The second website shows a charge controller being used and how the guy brought the power into his home to be stored,then used.The first website shows the cost of building to be less than $105.00 for his panel.The third website talks about the screenprinting process of making solar cells but of course they want money.Some time ago I found the patent on that process and posted it here on OU on another thread.So I will dig it up and post it on this thread also.So Big M, thank you for sharing those websites.triffid
You have to admire a guy who has his own space program.Especially when it cost him only $750 compared to the millions that Nasa spends.He even used DUCT TAPE!!!Its stuff like this that gives me hope someone will come up with OU no matter what the oil companies want.Triffid
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/balloon-camera-duct-tape-shoot-earth-pictures-space/story?id=10210658
To big M,I found that patent again for the screen printing of solar cells.Way too involved for me but here it is:
Ok ,here goes the rest of the info on making a solar cell using aluminum foil
according to patent#5,538,903 and the ebook that r8rchris posted:
5)nickle metal(ink in a screen pattern)-dry only(neg electrode)
4)(n-type)mixed cadium sulphide and cadium chloride and proylene glycol(CdS layer)
3)(p-type)(CdTe layer) an eqi-mol mixture of Cadium (Cd) and Tellurium(Te) powders with addition of CdCl2 and pg(proylene glycol)
2)carbon electrode layer with silver and Indium mixed in.
1)aluminum foil(pos electrode)
layers 2,3, and 4 are to be dried and baked at 600 degree C one layer on top of the other
Triffid
To Big M,In the first website you mentioned he does mention blocking diodes.I only skimmed over it the first time.It helped a lot.Thank you.Good info for free.triffid
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To big M,I found that patent again for the screen printing of A cells.Way too involved for me but here it is:
according to patent#5,538,903
Here's the patent:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=6SYeAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q=&f=false
The problem I see with the process is the reliance on stuff like indium and other rare earth elements: Expensive and
possibly having national security interest?
There are kits assembled by at least one company that takes discarded chips of solar panels and allows the builder to make a 40-100 Watt solar panel. That's a lot easier. Cheaper by the Watt, too.
--Lee
Thanks big M for that first website.He also built a wind powered generator for $140.00 and told how he did it on another webpage.He appears to do everything very well.Mike,the astronomer, is truly an inspiration to all of us.And you are right,slightly chipped solar cells and those with blemishes are ok for me to use.Triffid
I just checked ebay for solar cells and found this:108 Solar Cells 3x6 Tabbed A Panel Kit w/Wire Flux
#1 Solar Cells Seller on eBay! Temporary Promotion! price is $170.00 for enough solar cells to make three panels.Each panel could produce about 60 watts of power. They have ten kits for sale.Triffid
I was checking A for solar cells again and found the following website with a lot of details for solar panel construction.triffid
http://www.diypvsolarenergy.com/basic-solar-panel-design/
I still aint seen no naked sphere neos, show me yours, and ill show you mine. ;D
Food,food,food.Catherine Austin Fitts says its a growth industry now in the USA.She was on coasttocoastam last night talking about how we have have outsource enough jobs,capital and machinery overseas to create major readjustments in this country that we have not gone through yet.She gave a couple of websites that indicates a movement toward growing healthier food.Half an acre or even one city lot that you have planted with food can help make the difference for you.I have planted food myself on land I don't own.My edibles look like sunflowers.
http://www.ediblecommunities.com/content/
http://www.acresusa.com/magazines/magazine.htm
triffid
I was checking on ebay again this morning.That outfit with the solar cell kits now has 84 kits for sale.Its the one I mentioned earlier.Theres lots of room to get in boys.I will go slow myself.About 6 months.Triffid
What I learned from planting food on land I don't own.You have to be careful where you plant.Sometimes the city comes along and mows it down or puts spray on it.Sometimes if people see you they think you are planting illegals.I try to plant stuff that blends in ,looks like weeds ,away from roads and roadsides.I prefer county land myself.I planted my first "weeds" 17 years ago.triffid
I try to plant stuff that doesn't need attention.Onions are one good example,so is garlic.You get the idea.triffid
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She gave a couple of websites that indicates a movement toward growing healthier food.Half an acre or even one city lot that you have planted with food can help make the difference for you.I have planted food myself on land I don't own.My edibles look like sunflowers.
http://www.ediblecommunities.com/content/
http://www.acresusa.com/magazines/magazine.htm
There's a growing movement(small) here in San Francisco to use unused parts of urban parks and vacant lots for growing edible crops.
This won't help most people, but it's a good example-setting move.
--Lee
instead of planting shade trees in parking lots and stuff planting fruit trees would be better, this way the transients and bums can get something to eat from time to time. there are also some fruit trees that can grow multiple kinds of fruits.
I am still waiting for trees that grow multiple vegetables, some hybrid of the Avocado tree or something.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on March 30, 2010, 01:04:50 PM
instead of planting shade trees in parking lots and stuff planting fruit trees would be better, this way the transients and bums can get something to eat from time to time. there are also some fruit trees that can grow multiple kinds of fruits.
I agree with the above, since I was a "transient" in the past.
However, the City of San Francisco is considering a law banning sitting or lying on sidewalks inside the City limits. That goes for everyone.
(insert many cuss words here) Politics!!!!! >:( ::) :-\ :-[
--Lee
Azorus said:
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Loved the article. There is one problem with the time frame that is laid out, it does not take into account the amount of subprime mortgages that have already defaulted and have not been reclaimed.
As with many things nowadays, the economy has several worsening threats:
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/109211/state-debt-woes-grow-too-big-to-camouflage
The whole article says it all.
--Lee
Talking about growing stuff and bankowned properties. Banks are now abandoning their properties. The municipalities are taking over pocession of the properties because the banks are unable to make the tax payments on them. Besides that they are becoming public health risks due to rodent infestation and homeless people living in them without running water. Never mind yachts and house boats abandoned at Marinas up and down the coast turning into algae and barnacle farms. Seems the paper pushers never really had anything to begin with besides paper. They had everyone in their maintaining their property and paying their real estate taxes but they got greedy pumped up values sold paper listing bad paper as an asset and the balloon burst. If you dont have the means to buy it today what gives you the idea you will have the means to buy it tomorrow. You get rich providing a needed product or service fine you get rich running scams like insurance and credit tough luck get a real job. To hell with the trickle down economy lets poor it in at the bottom and let the cream of the crop bubble up to the top.
Thanks for the article big. Like it has pointed out there are many finacial "bombs" that have had there fuse lit, but haven't gone off yet.
Quote from: Azorus on March 31, 2010, 06:10:55 AM
Thanks for the article big. Like it has pointed out there are many finacial "bombs" that have had there fuse lit, but haven't gone off yet.
Yeah, true. Even if things appear to be improving, people usually aren't looking at distinct elements of the overall picture and how they relate to each other.
This is
not a good idea. Unpleasant surprises are possible.
--Lee
Heres some unpleasant surprises.I got the news tonight that gas will go up to $3.75 a gallon within a year from now.War with Iran in 1 to 1 1/2 years.The dollar will lose 50% of its value within a year.This and more details on a set of cd's at this website.The elite that rule the world told him whats going to happen in the next two years.triffid
http://www.prophecyclub.com/
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Quote from: triffid on April 01, 2010, 05:38:42 AM
Heres some unpleasant surprises.I got the news tonight that gas will go up to $3.75 a gallon within a year from now.War with Iran in 1 to 1 1/2 years.The dollar will lose 50% of its value within a year.This and more details on a set of cd's at this website.The elite that rule the world told him whats going to happen in the next two years.triffid
http://www.prophecyclub.com/
Gas will go up, however it is hard to predict that it will go to 3.75 within a year. War with Iran seems very unlikely, It would seem highly unlikely because the U.S. is not in a financial situation to start another war without finishing the two it is already in. And for the last statement that the Dollar will lose 50% of it's valuse seems unlikely as well. At the moment the dollar is gaining on most currencies, for it to lose half of it's current value would not follow world trends, just unlikely not impossible.
Also the website that you have listed is clearly about getting money. It has nothing to do with the truth of anything.
Quote from: triffid on April 01, 2010, 05:38:42 AM
Heres some unpleasant surprises.I got the news tonight that gas will go up to $3.75 a gallon within a year from now. ...
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2008/2008-04-09-091.asp
Well, you might have a point. The site above isn't religiously oriented, though.
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... War with Iran in 1 to 1 1/2 years. ...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread191121/pg1
These scenarios are open to debate. I think it depends on the unpredictable actions of a few men in power. Hard to say what's going to happen.
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The dollar will lose 50% of its value within a year. The elite that rule the world told him whats going to happen in the next two years.triffid
http://seekingalpha.com/article/87879-why-the-u-s-dollar-will-continue-to-lose-value
I agree with simple explanation. This can happen.
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This and more details on a set of cd's at thiswebsite.
http://www.prophecyclub.com/
I don't take these sites seriously. I didn't even take Ruth Montgomery seriously because her predictions, when they were made, aren't necessarily accurate today.
--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok said:
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There are other articles available for downloading, of course, but my point is: After the Health Care vote in Congress, signed into law by the President, some congressional members, especially Democrats---including phone calls---were verbally threatened. Vandalism of their offices, etc.
Here's a new development:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/02/governors.extremists/index.html?hpt=T2
Even some politicians have admitted their constituents are extremely angry over Congress' inaction to solve this country's problems. There's one more indication in the link above.
--Lee
There are an estimated 30million homes in foreclosure in just the US right now. If the banks continue to force the foreclosures this will put 120 million people on the street. This is just the single family dwellings and does not reflect apartment housing. As more and more tenants become underemployed or unemployed more evictions are taking place. So now we have empty apartment complexes which of course the bank owns. And those thieving mortgage underwriters aren't making good on their contracts with the banks. Strongarming young people who just want a place to raise a family. Not against the law but written into the law. There is the saying there will be hell to pay. Hell has been paid in more than full now its heavens turn.
Quote from: sparks on April 02, 2010, 08:28:26 PM
There are an estimated 30million homes in foreclosure in just the US right now. If the banks continue to force the foreclosures this will put 120 million people on the street. ...
I found this:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/05/news/economy/foreclosure/index.htm
It isn't 30 million, but you do have a point for apartments adding to the problem. I heard on the news awhile ago that 1/3 of the people being evicted are living in rented apartments---which were used as investment properties the same way houses were.
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...more tenants become underemployed or unemployed more evictions are taking place. So now we have empty apartment complexes which of course the bank owns. ...
Yep, exactly. No one is immune unless you live in the woods.
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... And those thieving mortgage underwriters aren't making good on their contracts with the banks. ...
The underwriters had lax regulations to aid them, true, but people really are hurting for money. Hardly a day goes by that a street person doesn't beg to me for money. They're numbers would equal an army. ...
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... Strongarming young people who just want a place to raise a family. Not against the law but written into the law. There is the saying there will be hell to pay. Hell has been paid in more than full now its heavens turn.
Their karma is coming due. There'll be
"hell to pay", as you put it, yes.
--Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TNgA1Jb_C0
imagine a world when that piano was built.
The coming collapse could be hastened by a realization that we can't win in SW Asia. And this doesn't help at all:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36178710/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/
What?!
"Baksheesh"(about equals a 'Mafia payoff' or a bribe) has been a tradition for centuries in that part of the world. Karzai knows he can't stop it, and the Americans are asking for the impossible for him to try, but his attitude is typical for people in SW Asia. Everyone for himself. We're outnumbered by people who think this way(read: everyone).
--Lee
Win what for who? For a viable economy you must produce something. The United States government has decided to produce hatred which justifies the huge defense budget as well as the newly formed department of homeland scrutiny.
Where are the new jobs Obama was going to generate in the Energy industry. How many solar farms are going up with government grant money. How many electric cars are being produced. We bail out automakers who could easily retool for mass production of affordable electric vehicles but we just bail them out no strings attached. Like get an affordable electric personal vehicle to the marketplace in two years or you dont get the bailout. We bailout money lenders no strings attached like if you dont start offering no interest loans to people who would like to buy electric vehicles or any other carbon footprint reducing device we will yank your license and sieze all your shareholders personal property as well as commit their children and grandchildren to working at the automakers plants for slave wages. No it is the other way around. They have indebted people who arent even born yet so the security and banking industry can rake it in. Silicon valley is in this shit up to its ears. Millions if not billions of manhours going into acquisition scrutiny and storage of useless data on everyone everywhere/ Who reaps the profit. The security and financing industry. From the soldiers to the hightech computer suppliers and corporate financiers. Disgusting waste of human life.
Quote from: sparks on April 05, 2010, 06:36:12 PM
Win what for who?
Nothing for anyone. I
more than agree with the paragraph below. Absolutely, yes.
I expect the economy to collapse in due course, and when it does, those American and NATO troops will be in 'dire straits', as it were, when most or all their home countries no longer have the wherewithal to provide support for them. That's why "we can't win", no matter what.
Referring to the rest of the paragraph:
You're entirely correct in the gist. American and world leaders have let down their constituents by poor economic and legal policies to the point that collapse is imminent. No one country's government has lasted long, to this day. They always begin and end, one way or another. This country is no different. It'll come.
I'm nobody great; I don't have the ability to influence people to think differently and allow them to save themselves. I've seen in history where, usually, religious leaders like the Pharaoh Akhenaten tried to change the prevailing beliefs of his countrymen and was eventually rejected. Anyone who thinks way differently than those around them and then voices their opinion often becomes a target for attacks. Also, historically, the Mayan empire collapse from war, famine or both. They all do.
What to do? The best we can, given the circumstances? Complaining, especially if one can prove their arguments convincingly, will often result in martyrdom.
As Cap-Z-ro said:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8835.msg231896;topicseen#msg231896
Pg. 4, Reply #46
I'll wait to see what happens.
--Lee
The U.S. population is on a train wreck with outnumbering the Social Security System. Everybody get your number right here! We already have a number anyway. The implant is on your property and flesh not your skin. Just like in Revelation.
Yellow stone is going to be detonated on June 10, 2010. Oh dear a national disaster. My what shall we do? Uncle Sam will help us, right? Never let a good commotion go unused... Muhahahah!
I have been checking out solar cell kits on ebay($170.00 for 108 solar cells)And found 144 solar cells for $150 from another buyer so thats enough for 7 solar panels at $47.71 per solar panel that still needs to be put together.So the basic cost for me would be $47.71 for the solar cells.Then diodes out of old tv's,radios,computers,and wire from old cords,extension cords too.Old outdoor paint from garage sales.Some pieces of wood I would want to buy if I couldn't salvage it.Not counting my time
I might be able to keep the total cost down around 60-65 dollars a panel.Not bad for solar panels that the powers that be are determined to make everybody keep paying a premium for the next hundred years.triffid
So if we assume 60 watts for each panel then 7 times 60watts equals 420 watts.For a cost of $420(if the panels cost $60.00 each).Thats 1 dollar per watt.triffid
So if we want to generate 3 kilowatts per hour.You need 50 solar panels on the roof
So 50 panels times $60.00 dollars equals $3000.Or $1500 if you want a 1.5 kilowatt system(25 panels).triffid
...I'll just explain my position, thusly:
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on April 05, 2010, 09:53:33 PM
...I'll wait to see what happens.
There is actually something I can do, but it's specific to me:
I'm buying cans of food and containers of spring water ahead of the time when the economy will probably be gravely affected by several, or many, crisis-es.
There's something else:
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/reac.htm
I live is a controlled access, low income high rise that's been earthquake retrofitted. If the power fails, one of the systems described in the Internet page above can be utilized by me.
So, I actually can do something in the future if and when the situation becomes dire.
--Lee
I found another website for building solar panels.triffid
http://sites.google.com/site/earthforsolar/
On ebay they have loose broken solar cells.Most of them not really broken,Just odd assorted sizes like 2x3,2x6,3x3,etc.About 2000 of these would build about 50 solar panels.Which would provide close to 3 kwatts per hour.Cost on ebay could be less than $1000.A guy would have to solder a bunch of solar cells together.So count however many hours he would have to spend to assemble
those 50 panels.But I figure he would have electricity for life if he chose to.The actual solar cells might cost around $1000.The other materials might cost more.But a lot of it could be salvaged.
Just thinking out loud here.Triffid
My first order of 20 plus solar cells are on its way to me so is a 20 watt soldering iron from ebay.I have a 30 watt already but it seems a 20 watt is the proper tool.Of course I have bids on other solar cells too.We will see what happens.triffid
Mark my words ( and Check my posts to confirm ), I said late 2010 will be best time to buy land cash cheap in a non earthquake area like new englend. As interest rates rise, gold ( and i dont mean stock) is king,buy pure gold, food, fire power is king. And for ten grand you have nothn 2 loose.
Quote from: X00013 on April 13, 2010, 02:44:11 PM
As interest rates rise, gold ( and i dont mean stock) is king,buy A,...
When the economic conditions get so bad that a depression occurs, Gold will do no good. My late uncle told me gold and cash had a
whole lot less value in the Great Depression.
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...food, fire power is king. And for ten grand you have nothn 2 loose.
Right. Commodities are the best way to go. Don't let anyone know you have them, though. They'll come looking for you.
--Lee
Big o, your wrong, gold had value, us dollar notes could no longer be changed for gold
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2_o4PbbqLA
@myz http://www.youtube.com/user/edsolp#p/f/0/lIr8u0j08gU
I read an interesting article in which bars of soap and packs of smokes were sold to secure funds for a good evening of entertainment in post war japan.The two seamen involved had no gold to sell.But they had soap and smokes from the ships stores.These things were scarce and hard to come by in post war japan.So they sold them for a good amount of money.Smokes go stale after 6 months to a year but bars of soap last 2 or 3 years or longer?I bought my second set of solar cells tonight on ebay.So now I will have 45 plus cells to work with.triffid
Quote from: giantkiller on April 06, 2010, 05:34:49 PM
Yellow stone is going to be detonated on June 10, 2010. Oh dear a national disaster. My what shall we do? Uncle Sam will help us, right? Never let a good commotion go unused... Muhahahah!
@giantkiller
Where did you learn this? I couldn't GOOGLize anything intelligent regarding this statement.
BTW:
I significant earthquake hit that part of the country Thurs., the 15th, with a epicenter about 70 miles NE of Salt Lake City.
Is this important?Additional aside:
I notice since this thread was started, the
percentage of people voting on the poll has remained about 49-53% for the economy
worsening in the future. Consistently.
--Lee
...IF the Icelandic volcano(Ejylafjallajokull = ay-yah-FYAH'-plah-yer-kul-duhl) continues erupting...
Have a look at these:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100420/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_world_without_planes
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/19/threat-new-larger-icelandic-eruption-looms/
And that's not all:
If Katla Volcano, near the one above, also erupts, that'll be 5-10 times the ash in the air. No jet/turboprop flights for up to a year or two?
None of the world's financial/political/industrial economies can stand that. There will probably be a collapse if this eruption continues.
I just don't know when, though.
Not even the scientists know, either.
--Lee
I got my first batch of solar (25 plus)cells.I have about 55 more solar cells coming.I got two batches at 99cents each plus S&H.Two more batches at $7.50 each plus S&H.A total of 90 solar cells.There is a lot of dust in my first batch of solar cells.I asked the shipper to use toilet paper between cells.It could reduce breakage.Three more batches are on their way to me.
triffid
if u want use this link for whatever http://quake.usgs.gov/ then use the google earth plug un or wait for the ap (gov controlled news to report it)and world news to lie to you three days later and hey why not listen to somthing you wont and cant find in your daily dose of whatever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX_ThT1jpas&feature=related
Quote from: X00013 on April 22, 2010, 01:10:33 AM
if u want use this link for whatever http://quake.usgs.gov/ ...
That reminds me: a 2.0 quake hit offshore of southern Calif. a few days ago. These are coming closer and closer.
Also, that volcano in Iceland(Eyjafjallajokull) is unpredictablely worrying. Katla Volcano lies 12 miles away and if
it erupts:
Look out!Even local Icelanders living near it are scared. Planes in the Eastern Hemisphere may not fly at all for up to two years
if it erupts. That would be dire, to put it mildly.
--Lee
I thought the following website might be useful to someone trying to go solar but want to buy their panels assembled already.http://sunelec.com/
It seems to be lowcost enough.http://sunelec.com/
quote author=the_big_m_in_ok said:
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If Katla Volcano, near the one above(12 miles), also erupts, that'll be about 10 times the ash in the air. No jet/turboprop flights for up to a year or two?
None of the world's financial/political/industrial economies can stand that. There will probably be a collapse if this eruption continues.
I just don't know when, though.
Not ever the scientists know, either.
Well, neither I nor the scientists knew, did we? Katla should be erupting now, but looks like it won't, after all.
The world lucked out on that one, but there's something else that probably won't go away:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/apr/27/greece-credit-rating-downgraded
Also,
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100428/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_greece_financial_crisis
REEDIT:Just off the wires:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100428/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_europe_financial_crisis
(This is getting worse and worse!)
This problem won't go away until the affected eurozone gov'ts cut spending and stop borrowing. All they're doing is putting off the inevitable collapse. And, if they cut services, there'll be social unrest in Greece, for sure, and possibly Portugal and Spain as well. That could drag down other eurozone countries and us after that.
What to do?
For my part, I'm buying more cans of food this month and plastic containers of water to store in my apartment. I can still eat and drink something if the power goes out.
After that,
if it happens, I'll I can do is wait.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on April 28, 2010, 11:34:05 AM
REEDIT:
Just off the wires:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100428/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_europe_financial_crisis
(This is getting worse and worse!)
This problem won't go away until the affected eurozone gov'ts cut spending and stop borrowing. All they're doing is putting off the inevitable collapse. And, if they cut services, there'll be social unrest in Greece, for sure, and possibly Portugal and Spain as well. That could drag down other eurozone countries and us after that.
What to do?
For my part, I'm buying more cans of food this month and plastic containers of water to store in my apartment. I can still eat and drink something if the power goes out.
After that, if it happens, I'll I can do is wait.
--Lee
And just WHO are all these countries borrowing from? ,,if it's not the US, then who is the Lender?
Quote from: jadaro2600 on May 01, 2010, 04:43:08 PM
And just WHO are all these countries borrowing from? ,,if it's not the US, then who is the Lender?
Germany and/or the European Central Bank, for two:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/14/greek-crisis-germany-financial-markets
And this:
http://baselinescenario.com/2010/03/01/an-underfunded-program-for-greece/
This one says there's more than one source of Greece's problems:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8508136.stm
The problem has been avoided for so long, that digging themselves out of the deep pit they're in will possibly take a miracle to pass for the Greeks.
--Lee
Maybe this could help some people get new jobs?
http://www.bootsontheroof.com/sem16/?source=google_content&gclid=CMPn4M_IsqECFQUhDQodCBjNBA
to big M,I have been buying extra cans of food too,Oatmeal and grits.Cornmeal and flour,And cooking oil.Most canned foods will last for years.Cranberry sauce will not.Only about 6 months for cranberry sauce.It will eat through a can in a year.I recently ate a couple of cans of turnip greens that I had at least 5 years with no ill effects.Still tasty.I bought lots of canned fish too.You just fill up your shelves now with 2 or 3 extra cans each time you go to the store.Or lots of oatmeal if you are just starting out with stocking up(20lbs per person per year).I have about two months of food on hand now.I live near lakes(water).Water can always be boiled.I try to buy canned goods on sale.Have lots of canned beans too.And dry beans and brown rice.triffid
I now have about 120 plus solar cells on hand.I'm bidding on more.I'm going to try to put together a panel soon.triffid
@triffid
I was going to say, with respect to your last Reply, solar panels might be a guaranteed power generator, and a good one, even if it is a little expensive.
But since I live in an apartment, all I can do is electronic experimentation (on free energy, of course) when I have the free time and budget the money from local parts suppliers.
The canned food idea is great. I'm buying 5-liter water containers as well. Tip for city dwellers like me: If and when the power fails, fill your bathtub(s) and bail water to your toilet. Buy pine soap as an antiseptic to help reduce the smell.
LATER REEDIT:
@triffid
Why not try one of these solar cell trickle battery chargers?
Patent #5,276,393
#4,871,959
#4,274,044
--Lee
Quote from: X00013 on April 14, 2010, 11:34:27 PM
Big o, your wrong, gold had value, us dollar notes could no longer be changed for gold
Well, that was in the Great Depression. Yeah, you're correct in that point alone.
However, this time there's
wayyyyyyyy! more money involved and people are getting really pissed about the way Big Money on Wall Street handled the whole, overall scenario for the last years of the bubble economy.
Then there the experience of American GI's in postwar Europe and Japan. Nobody can eat a gold bar. But cans of food and wrapped candy are actually something edible. Soap can make the body humanly livable on the outside (skin) as long as there's enough water to wash with.
That's my main point when the economy finally implodes and collapses.
And then what about the Gulf Coast!People there are scared to death that there'll be no money when 30-35% of the marine food sources may die off if BP doesn't move fast enough or fails in effective use of the concrete funnels they're building to gather the oil to the surface. And the delicate Delta marshes are just as threatened. Add this to the other problems getting worse.
--Lee
hehe you have to be kidding me folks our industry is thriving there is tons of work out there don't buy into the BS if one of you is destitute I could get you a job right now most likely bottom line...
We have already turned off the highway to hell believe it ... More and more things just keep looking up sit there and wait for your faith to be restored in this great nation or be part of the change it is in our hands the smallest things can make you or break you at any given time risk is something you take everyday without knowing. And if I were a betting man and I kinda am I would steak money on it too many rich people would not allow anything to happen to our great nation as they would stand to lose way too much!
Quote from: giantkiller on April 06, 2010, 05:34:49 PM
The U.S. population is on a train wreck with outnumbering the Social Security System. Never let a good commotion go unused... Muhahahah!
lol good god gk !
figures you would say something like that .. lmfao
ist
Quote from: infringer on May 04, 2010, 09:56:23 PM
...And if I were a betting man and I kinda am I would steak money on it too many rich people would not allow anything to happen to our great nation as they would stand to lose way too much!
Yeah, they wouldn't be happy, would they...but then what happened to the Mayan empire of Central America?
The Roman Empire? The Byzantine Empire? More than one Egyptian Dynasty? More than one Chinese Dynasty? Where are they now?
And let's not forget ancient Jericho. Right
now it's a pile of dirt mixed in with various ruins of past cities that failed for one reason or another---and that goes for Troy as well.
Civilized societies don't last, do they? They arrive gradually or suddenly and leave similarly. I just assert that this one right now is headed toward the Niagara Falls of economic disaster.
Take a look at this:
http://www.religion-place.info/21631/civilization-and-its-importance.html
I have a hunch: Hunter/gatherer cultures can put up with natural disasters and still have enough people surviving to restart the culture from the begging. The article above, I believe, implies the the ruling elite religionists and royal political noncontributing members of society place such a great strain on available resources that the civilized societies collapse, as the article's author above states or implies.
I point to the Congress and Federal Government and rest my case. As I said before, "it's only a matter of time." It's coming.
--Lee
Just when you thought you only had the US government to worry about.A story comes along to worry you even more.The following site tells what would happen if Iran or some other rouge nation decides to explode a nuclear bomb 300 miles up over the USA and in the center of the nation and what would result from the following EMP.
http://www.onesecondafter.com/
cars before 1965 could be made to run
And a faraday cage might protect your personal computer but a lot of people would perish in the resulting chaos
I have seen a faraday cage at a university in a physics dept.Its basically a grounded metal box.The one I saw I could walk into and it was like a screened off porch.The screens were heavier than normal wire screen.It had airholes in it.A metal storage building that is grounded and fairly heavy sheet metal completely enclosed could offer some protection against an EMP burst.triffid
I'm the proud owner of about 325 solar cells.And sometime in the next few months I will put together one panel using whatever wood or plastic or cardboard I can get my hands on.If I build one using cardboard it will stay inside the house like in a window.triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 05, 2010, 06:22:23 AM
I'm the proud owner of about 325 solar cells.And sometime in the next few months I will put together one panel using whatever wood or plastic or cardboard I can get my hands on.If I build one using cardboard it will stay inside the house like in a window.triffid
i sure hope you got a good deal on them ...
i have a few like 10 or so .. they are nice but there cheep something like 1 will charge a BOOST CAP in less than a full day as i understand ! there 2 by 2"
2 bucks each i got them from gadget .. i imagine he gets them MUCH cheeper ...
ist
Quote from: triffid on May 05, 2010, 06:03:55 AM
Just when you thought you only had the US government to worry about.A story comes along to worry you even more.The following site tells what would happen if Iran or some other rouge nation decides to explode a nuclear bomb 300 miles up over the USA and in the center of the nation and what would result from the following EMP.
http://www.onesecondafter.com/
cars before 1965 could be made to run
And a faraday cage might protect your personal computer but a lot of people would perish in the resulting chaos
Exploding a rocket overhead would actually require a rocket. Do they even need that?
They could go to a Muslim country in North Africa---let's assume they have the compliance of the national Gov't of that country.
Then they build a tunnel a few hundred feet deep from the shore toward the continental the shelf as they follow the underwater sloping drop-off. When they're satisfied with the distance, they place an atomic bomb at the end of the tunnel and detonate it. The resulting tsunami inundates Christian countries to the north in Europe. Terrorism!!!
However, this has to be as big a bomb as possible, ans then using it would destroy their country as well as causing a tsunami. But they like suicide bombs, anyway, right? This would probably a last-ditch scenario for them.
All this is hypothetical. I really
don't hope it comes to that.
--Lee
We need to quit giving such simple evil minds such good ideas with going public about these statements... It is our wit which may lead to our own demise the good folks give men with little power great power by making comments about certain things to do with our inner workings ... Many of these evil people do not have half of a brain to come up with ideas of there own hell I don't know how many movies it took before there was a plane hijacking like the one in 9/11 ... Creativity falls out of reach of the most evil it is someone else who contributes to there thoughts.
Triffid sweet deal on the Solar Cells might I ask you to find someone around just wanting to get rid of old single pane glass windows you can easily seal them and refurbish them to make them weather proof you will get no where near the power in a window then you could get outside... Look at my solar panel for an idea as a word of caution never use hot glue on anything in the sun it will melt and run off...
I will be building a new panel myself in the near future... This time using 6x6 cells hopefully this thing will give me something a little more exciting then 70 - 120watts ;)
I have a wind idea that has really never been attempted as well that I need to work on and the cool thing is I have never once seen the concept used in power generation but I am sure it could be used other ways as well! but I need to finish a PMA with bearing issues before I forge on to that project...
Everything requires time it seems and with a full time job it is nearly impossible to use enough of the off time to get fun projects done when you are pushed by other things like mere survival and rest needed to preform your full time job.
Quote from: infringer on May 05, 2010, 11:50:55 PM
We need to quit giving such simple evil minds such good ideas with going public about these statements...
That wasn't classified information that I'm aware of
...and... I didn't say everything on my mind to make it even simpler. I don't think they're up to the engineering par of Ted Kaczyinski, but they do go out of their way to do the most with what they have. They merely try to impose their religious will on others like Kaczyinski did with his personal agenda.
I have a Careerbuilder resume
which isn't publically available!! that addresses some of the concerns you do with respect to the Muslim Jihad-is. No exceptions. I can say more, but I won't. Don't ask. "No further comment" on that subject.
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I have a wind idea that has really never been attempted as well that I need to work on and the cool thing is I have never once seen the concept used in power generation but I am sure it could be used other ways as well! but I need to finish a PMA with bearing issues before I forge on to that project...
You can try to apply for a patent, but if it's deemed classifiable by the CIA, NSA, or maybe even Homeland Security, no one will ever see it. Since when is that a patent? It isn't. I applied for a patent once and I was in the Air Force, so I know something about security, having dealt with it personally.
--Lee
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36998648/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/
There was no unusual or bad news to cause this sudden drop and recovery, as far as traders and analysts could see.
The Greeks need to get their act together financially, or this problem will be dragged out across the economic landscape for all to see and become ever more apprehensive about.
--Lee
I don't want to be all gloom and doom.I found some positive comments on homeschooling.http://www.amazon.com/tag/education/forum/ref=cm_cd_dp_rft_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx2YA0LJ92ZIFKB&cdThread=Tx1ONJ9QKAI6F63
Those who would try to make a bomb have to be real good at it without blowing themselves up.Take the guy who tried to blow up the suv in times square.He had it wired properly and placed between two buildings to magify the blast but we got lucky and about 4 or 5 things worked against him.Things which I won't go into detail here.I want us to stay lucky.Still it shows his intent.triffid
I got a bunch of solar cells,enough for about 10 panels for about $600 off of ebay.Maybe half of that was for P&H.The cheapest batch I bought was about .99 cents plus $4.95 for P&H for about 25 plus cells.I want to do away with the P&H.
I am taking a break away from buying solar cells for a while.Sometime after June 15 th I will start up again.My goal is to get enough for about 50 panels by the end of this year.I can salvage most of the materials to make the rest of the solar panels including the diodes.I had a solar corner in my last house and kept the solar panels sitting in the windows for eight years.I was making 80 watts an hour.triffid
triffid said:
QuoteI had a solar corner in my last house and kept the solar panels sitting in the windows for eight years.I was making 80 watts an hour.triffid
The question I have is:
What would the local power company think of your setting the positive example by setting up a photovoltaic system to spite them, in a potentially politically incorrect way, even though they would knew it was legal?
Politics is politics. The
might consider you a thorn in their side
if they were afraid you
might be able to show others how to set up more systems.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on May 06, 2010, 11:44:36 PM
I got a bunch of solar cells,enough for about 10 panels for about $600 off of ebay.Maybe half of that was for P&H.The cheapest batch I bought was about .99 cents plus $4.95 for P&H for about 25 plus cells.I want to do away with the P&H.
@triffid
What do you think of this? Are you mechanically inclined?
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/9639447/INVERTER-PLANS/
--Lee
I am more inclined towards electronics and chemistry.But my dad used to fix tvs and radios for a living.He had an electronics workshop in his basement in St.Louis,mo. After he retired he fixed tvs until the money dried up in it.When it became cheaper to buy a new one than fix the old one(about the 1980's).In the early 1950's he wired together radios for American Airlines.So people's lives depended on his radio skills.I would see him fix radios and tvs in the home,often at the kitchen table.So far I can solder some,read a diagram.As a result I can fix a lot of small appliances.I can replace fuses in microwaves.
I fixed a popcorn popper in college that someone had thrown out.So I don't fix tv's but I have worked on computers.Mostly the older ones.I don't fix cars but I have a brother who does.He can rebuild an engine.I am not that mechanically inclined.I like building sheds.I have built two so far.
I'm considering building a third one.My dad never learned how to work on computers.He never had the internet in his home.He died in 2009 at the age of 86.When he was in his mid-70s he closed up his electronics workshop in the basement.Said he was getting too old.
Heres a link to some guy who claims he doesn't eat or drink for the last 70 years.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/05/10/indian-man-survives-without-food-and-water-baffles-doctors/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+C2C-InTheNews+%28Feed+-+Coast+to+Coast+-+In+the+News%29
To big m,I tried to access your diagram.But the link failed.I didn't use an inverter most of the time.I found it simpler to use 12 volts all the way keeping in mind that any wire connections over 20 feet long would result in unacceptable energy losses.triffid
Therese Neumann of Konnersreuth (Germany) did not eat or drink for 40 years. Documented.
Wikipedia says:
From the years of 1922 until her death in 1962, Therese Neumann apparently consumed no food other than The Holy Eucharist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist), and claimed to have drunk no water from 1926 until her death. [8] In July 1927 a medical doctor and four Franciscan nurses kept a watch on her 24 hours a day for a two-week period. They confirmed that she had consumed nothing except for one consecrated sacred Host (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_%28Holy_Communion%29) a day, and had suffered no ill effects, loss of weight, or dehydration.
Quote from: triffid on May 11, 2010, 11:27:27 PM
To big m,I tried to access your diagram.But A failed.
I just went back to the post in question and it loaded and ran as usual. I've also come across the same problem with other users. It works for me and not them. No good reason why.
It was a hosting site with the retail inverter report from Creative Science uploaded to the server's hard drive. Creative Science is
always looking for a profit, so I don't know why Creative Science hasn't complained about it.
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I didn't use an inverter most of the time.I found it simpler to use 12 volts all the way keeping in mind that any wire connections over 20 feet long would result in unacceptable energy losses.triffid
Right, that's true. Very heavy wire/cable is required for lengthy runs. Photovoltaic systems are a prime example.
--Lee
@triffid
With respect to your Reply #514:
My dad was an engineer who designed electronic instruments as part of his job function in the defense aerospace industry. I did the same thing as you by looking over his shoulder when I was a teenager as he worked. He retired and gave up that activity, except as a hobby, until he passed away recently.
We do have more in common.
--Lee
Quote from: hansvonlieven on May 12, 2010, 03:14:07 AM
Therese Neumann of Konnersreuth (Germany) did not eat or drink for 40 years. Documented.
@triffid
When I was a teenager in Southern Calif., a local rock-n-roll (KRLA, I think) radio station would regularly air documentary broadcasts involving New Age subjects.
One of these subjects had to do with the spiritual practice of raising the vibrations of the body to such a high level that the initiate stopped eating in public, for sure. They may have been living off of spiritual 'prana' rather food eaten by mouth. Prana is believed by the Hindus to sustain life.
--Lee
Recent Internet article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37136518/ns/us_news-life/
More states like NV, CA and FL may resort to this tactic. If they do the right thing and own up to their responsibility to cut costs, their residents will be more than a little unhappy, to make a staggering understatement.
As I said before, "There's no good answer" to this recessionary crisis.
--Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMQqnaWUA98&feature=related.I hope to build one of these soon.
To big M,Our dads rocked!!!I Triffid
To big M,that article about Ill may be the wave of the future.I hope its just the one state not paying its bills at all.I know that calif used IOU's.triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 19, 2010, 09:09:40 PM
To big M,Our dads rocked!!!I Triffid
Riiiiiight! That's why I know what I know about aerospace and transistor electronics/R&D electronic engineering. That's what my Dad did. It follows.
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To big M,that article about Ill may be the wave of the future.I hope its just the one state not paying its bills at all.I know that calif used IOU's.triffid
I, (unfortunately) anticipate Illinois' actions are a prelude for the future. Look at Greece. The world money/commodity markets are jittery because they may realize Greece merely put off the inevitable by borrowing more money from the EU Central Bank and the Germans. The USA is heavily exposed to the EU debt borrowing crisis. A certain American conservative analyst (Glenn Beck) indicates Greece's problems are coming here in the future. What happens there, will happen here, eventually.
--Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM-mfEMssy8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsKmUoDyQEU
big m,I got to see those inverter plans because I used a different computer.I think a mechanical inverter is novel.I once made an interrupter which used a flashlight battery for power.I sent the interrupted current through a step up transformer and shocked myself several times that day.I guess the current is not squarewaved but close to it and messy.Your inverter reminded me of that device I made a long time ago.I used air as the medium but adding a capacitor to the points would have cleaned up the waveform.And less sparking would result.I used junk to make it so it didn't last too long.triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 21, 2010, 11:48:59 AM
big m,I got to see those inverter plans because I used a different computer.
Yeah, I borrow computers and they have .PDF compliers on the hard drive as a public service to free customers. I download lots of wiring diagrams that way.
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I think a mechanical inverter is novel.I once made an interrupter which used a flashlight battery for power.I sent the interrupted current through a step up transformer and shocked myself several times that day.I guess the current is not squarewaved but close to it and messy.
Here's hartiberlin's rendering:
http://overunity.com/index.php?topic=3111.0 , Reply #5
This should last until the relay points wear out. However, he needs to wire the relay contacts through the coil so the current in the coil energizes it, thus breaking the circuit until the spring reconnects the contacts to complete the circuit again as a chattering 'square wave' response with a frequency of, say, 15-25 Hz.
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Your inverter reminded me of that device I made a long time ago.I used air as the medium but adding a capacitor to the points would have cleaned up the waveform.And less sparking would result.I used junk to make it so it didn't last too long.triffid
I'll try to remember that about the capacitor. I don't have a 'scope, so I'll have to take your word for it. A diode between the relay and BEMF coil would take some voltage off the relay contacts. They'd last longer, especially at relatively high voltage on the batterie(s).
--Lee
This guy made a boat out of cardboard .His method could be used to make a cardboard palace if one wanted it.So I hope to make at least one solar panel out of cardboard using some of these methods.triffid
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-build-a-cardboard-kayak-for-less-than-40/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb1n1X0Oqdw
Quote from: triffid on May 21, 2010, 04:56:51 PM
This guy made a boat out of cardboard .His method could be used to make a cardboard palace if one wanted it.So I hope to make at least one solar panel out of cardboard using some of these methods.triffid
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-build-a-cardboard-kayak-for-less-than-40/
Be careful for rain, triffid. I never hears of water repellent cardboard.
Wait, maybe I spoke too soon?
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat6794016.pdf
It might work after all, as long as
way too much water doesn't flood your solar panel.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on May 21, 2010, 04:17:46 PM
Here's hartiberlin's rendering:
http://overunity.com/index.php?topic=3111.0 , Reply #5
Here are a couple of more:
http://overunity.com/index.php?topic=6734.0 , Reply #13 has the best drawing
http://overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.285 , Reply #285, top of page
(These make good starter systems, to be expanded and improved upon, for after the economy collapses.)
--Lee
I tend to set my solar panels inside the house in the window.So hopefully the house will stay dry.
Quote from: triffid on May 25, 2010, 09:14:22 AM
I tend to set my solar panels inside the house in the window.So hopefully the house will stay dry.
I see what you mean. No rain to get them wet. However, you're limited on the amount of power you can generate. Then, again, no one can complain about the unsightly roof installations, either.
I live San Francisco, so overcast fog, even downtown, is a problem---and I have only one window in my apartment.
You're doing pretty well on you own with what you have.
NEWS UPDATE:Look out for a double-dip recession if the Gulf Coast oil spill throws many people out of work
and/or the financial problems in the eurozone countries get worse. Spain is being looked at in a contagious money crisis that will affect us as well If
(drastic!!!) services or monetary cutbacks aren't enacted immediately.
--Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3e6QJMmCxQ&playnext_from=TL&videos=y5v3qvogJBE
Quote from: X00013 on May 26, 2010, 10:39:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3e6QJMmCxQ&playnext_from=TL&videos=y5v3qvogJBE
@x00013
The computer room I was in didn't allow sound being played over the computer's speaker, but I agree with the premise of what I saw in the video.
"Get ready for the END," would be a good subtitled caption. You have a point.
--Lee
maybe try the channel http://www.youtube.com/user/SACRAMANIACSmc
the_big_m_in_ok said:
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Here are a couple of more:
http://overunity.com/index.php?topic=6734.0 , Reply #13 has the best drawing
http://overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.285 , Reply #285, top of page
(These make good starter systems, to be expanded and improved upon, for after the economy collapses.)
@Cap-Z-ro
These drawings are from energetic forum, can be modified for a relay, I think:
http://energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2242-water-sparkplug.html Replies #'s 2 & 12
(For reference as a DIY inverter, sort of)
REEDIT:
Also, Stefan's Shock Charging System:
http://www.intalek.com/Papers/Handout3.pdf , pg. 21 of the manuscript
(
NOTE: The secondary wires are reversed, thus making the coil opposite in direction of windings)
--Lee
@all
Take a look at this:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/scienceandsociety/2010/06/gulf-oil-spill-where-the-slick-may-go.html
After 75-85 days or so, the SHTF. New England all the way to Maine gets it bad by 4 months, 1 1/2 weeks (132 days). This could contribute to a seafood industry collapse costing a whole lot of money and jobs. The news is full of dire news elsewhere around the world as well. Not to mention the possibility of a depression or outright economic collapse.
I. Hope. Not.
--Lee
actually, it is depend on USA how to survive. your ancestor give you a lot of technology to solve coming problem. it is right time to use it. even you guyz can make it in low cost device. why not? forget about oil and gas.... now it is the time to use tesla tech or magnetic energy by own...
china is now becoming richest country in the world... but they still dun have much on technology and majority the ppl there not really educated.
i don't why, USA can't make it. USA keep a lot of technology and a lot of talented people. majority educated. why economy still going down.
china has more honor students than america has students, so does india... do the math, their coming dominance is inevitable.
Quote from: saikron1 on June 04, 2010, 12:53:21 AM
actually, it is depend on USA how to survive. your ancestor give you a lot of technology to solve coming problem. it is right time to use it. even you guyz can make it in low cost device. why not? ...
Our "elected" leaders, that's why not. They suppress innovation in engineering and buy up patents so the inventor(s) can't make any money. They, the leaders, want the money first!
And! they want as much as possible!!!! The politicians don't really represent the people who "elect" them, they represent their own agenda first.
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... forget about oil and gas.... now it is the time to use tesla tech or magnetic energy by own...
Good, right. I agree with you. But, whoever tries can be told by
Vested Interests to sit down and shut up. Whoever doesn't comply, can meet with an unfortunate
"accident". Free energy should be part of the answer, yes. The politics has to change to something better, though.
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...china is now becoming richest country in the world... but they still dun have much on technology and majority the ppl there not really educated.
Perfect point to what I was saying. Many world leaders are holding their countrymen hostage to the their own whims, in spite of what's in the best interest of their countries population's wishes. This goes for China, as well. Stupid, greedy Communists!!!
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i don't why, USA can't make it. USA keep a lot of technology and a lot of talented people. majority educated. why economy still going down.
Even some of the reason is the ordinary people's fault, but not all. Everyone wants to have an easy, comfortable life. However, being duped (lied to, that is) by greedy businessmen(AIG/Enron/ BP!!! >:( ::) >:( ::) :'( :'( :'( ) is also partly the people's fault. People want it for less money, or free, if possible. It's never that easy. It's hardly ever free.
In closing, you have a point in observation, yes, I see. I know there are religious references stating that no one is honest, and that's the source of the problem. As long as people have been alive. Human nature.
TechStuf!
I already know the religious references whereof I speak. No need for you to remind everyone. The average reader can look them up on GOOGLE or I'll let Cap-Z-ro relate them in a post if he wants. This is his forum and he's the Moderator. He can do what he wants here.
I think I've tried to answer your questions, though, saikron1.
--Lee
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on June 04, 2010, 05:42:30 PM
china has more honor students than america has students, so does india... do the math, their coming dominance is inevitable.
Communism, as practiced today, doesn't work because of greed. You can't spend someone else's money; it always runs out.
I know of only one exception: An Israeli kibbutz. And only because it's a small scale operation in terms of money.
Additionally, AIDS is going to take a heavy toll on the Chinese population in a generation or two. Their Govt is avoiding the problem, to their detriment.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 04, 2010, 07:37:15 PM
Communism, as practiced today, doesn't work because of greed. You can't spend someone else's money; it always runs out.
I know of only one exception: An Israeli kibbutz. And only because it's a small scale operation in terms of money.
Additionally, AIDS is going to take a heavy toll on the Chinese population in a generation or two. Their Govt is avoiding the problem, to their detriment.
--Lee
communism is irrelevant. democracy, as practiced today, doesn't work either... because of greed.
it doesn't matter if the chinese are communist, democratic, fascist or any other form, it is simple math...
aids? ::) why don't you try a cogent argument?
anyway, this is facts. this country getting stronger now.... we can feel it economy crisis everywhere. i agree with you, china is greedy but they are good in calculating. When they got the money, they can do anything. i don't like china too... they are greedy and over react.
hoping your country leader manage to released something new. American scientist did really good. i really admit and admire their technology. but this technology not using it. really sad to hear this. hoping your government know to appreciate this scientist and change the world.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on June 04, 2010, 08:06:56 PM
communism is irrelevant. democracy, as practiced today, doesn't work either... because of greed.
it doesn't matter if the chinese are communist, democratic, fascist or any other form, it is simple math...
I know all this.
But, when the Chinese don't have any money like everyone else after the economic collapse, they'll act like all other communist states and impose their will militarily on others in their vicinity, regardless of the consequences. The collapse will probably bring out the worst in people. Look at movie,
The Road, and see what can happen. Several things can bring about collapse, and it can happen here or anywhere. Why? When people have no money, food, water, and warm winter shelter, they often become desperate like in various hotspots around the world. Africa, the Middle East, Central America with floods and volcanos, etc.
Math? Math has nothing to do with it, with the possible exception that the Chinese have the biggest population and biggest army in the world. Those are big numbers, probably to be found on the Internet for those who look.
Is the paragraph above cogent, by that, I mean: Relevant and strongly pointed out?
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aids? ::) why don't you try a cogent argument?
I intended to indicate AIDS was a long term---very serious---problem, but an absolute fact that can cause, even by itself, an eventual collapse in 20-50 years if nothing else changes. If not enough people are around to maintain a cultural society, there'll be no cultural society to exist.
There are some
very serious problems becoming insurmountable in the future, regardless of what is attempted to solve those problems. The European debt crisis in one example. The Gulf oil spill fiasco is another. America is traveling down the same road to the same result as Greece. Is this cogent?
--Lee
What I find interesting about "democracy" (capitalism) is that it is based off of darwinism, which is basically ruthless and winner takes all. True Communism, as Marx envisioned it, was rather naive and a pipe dream, because it assumes that humans have the ability to, as an entire planet/nation/town/neighborhood, give up the desire to possess a larger slice of the pie than anyone else. Once anyone gains more than the others, that enables them to get still more... yada yada money is evil, blah blah. Do any of you think humans will ever evolve to the point where we can actually want to share equally with each other? I like to think we have the seed of selfessness and human unity within us, which is what Tesla tried to "spark" within us (sorry) with his devices designed to equalize social classes and conserve resources for the future, but for some reason nice guys always do seem to finish last. Perhaps it's because the nice guys never expect to get jumped in the alley on the way to reinvent the world the way it should be. Personally, if I were a sentient organism that had happened across this galactic backwater, I'd look at the human race as a life form that once had potential but degraded into a horrible disease, and maybe even set up exterminators to make sure we didn't spread out of this solar system and infect the rest of the universe. blah blah speech over. Otherwise we will have the "martians" working in sweatshops to make our cheap Nikes (joking) or try to nuke them because they "ain't natural" and are "abominations to god" Power to the People, Viva Tesla!!
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 08, 2010, 04:29:21 PM
I know all this.
and yet you still chose to post an irrelevant argument. ::)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 08, 2010, 04:29:21 PM
But, when the Chinese don't have any money like everyone else after the economic collapse, they'll act like all other communist states and impose their will militarily on others in their vicinity, regardless of the consequences. The collapse will probably bring out the worst in people. Look at movie, The Road, and see what can happen. Several things can bring about collapse, and it can happen here or anywhere. Why? When people have no money, food, water, and warm winter shelter, they often become desperate like in various hotspots around the world. Africa, the Middle East, Central America with floods and volcanos, etc.
your argument in this paragraph is a red herring. how is any of that relevant to the question of the level of chinese education?
lee, you are obviously confused here. let us recap...
saikron1 said:
Quote from: saikron1 on June 04, 2010, 12:53:21 AM
china is now becoming richest country in the world... but they still dun have much on technology and majority the ppl there not really educated.
to which i replied:
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on June 04, 2010, 05:42:30 PM
china has more honor students than america has students, so does india... do the math, their coming dominance is inevitable.
that is a cogent argument...
relative and strongly pointed out.
you then hopped on board with your irrelevant response to me:
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 04, 2010, 07:37:15 PM
Communism, as practiced today, doesn't work because of greed. You can't spend someone else's money; it always runs out.
I know of only one exception: An Israeli kibbutz. And only because it's a small scale operation in terms of money.
Additionally, AIDS is going to take a heavy toll on the Chinese population in a generation or two. Their Govt is avoiding the problem, to their detriment.
--Lee
this is
not cogent and here is why. communism was never spoken of, by saikron1 or myself, and is irrelevant to the argument at hand. this is a logical fallacy, known as a red herring argument. you then followed that with another logical fallacy, your statement about aids. aids is also irrelevant (aids has nothing to do with how educated the chinese are) to the argument at hand.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 08, 2010, 04:29:21 PM
Math? Math has nothing to do with it
indeed. math has nothing to do with your logical fallacies... because they are irrelevant. lol.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 08, 2010, 04:29:21 PM
I intended to indicate AIDS was a long term---very serious---problem, but an absolute fact that can cause, even by itself, an eventual collapse in 20-50 years if nothing else changes. If not enough people are around to maintain a cultural society, there'll be no cultural society to exist.
There are some very serious problems becoming insurmountable in the future, regardless of what is attempted to solve those problems. The European debt crisis in one example. The Gulf oil spill fiasco is another. America is traveling down the same road to the same result as Greece. Is this cogent?
--Lee
aids is still irrelevant to the argument at hand...
the european debt crisis is another red herring... the gulf oil spill is another red herring... greece is another red herring...
no! those aren't cogent! the argument at hand is about the chinese being educated... ::) here, this might help you out. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
until you refrain from this repeated use of logical fallacy i'm afraid i will have to refuse to respond to you.
@qwurky1
well said. i fear as long as this asinine ideal of nationalism exists so pervasively around the globe nothing will change. you end up with guys like big_m here hating the 'damn pinko commie bastards', those who espouse communism hating the 'capitalist pigs', those who espouse fascism hating 'everybody'... ad infinitum, ad nauseam, ad absurdum.
george carlin said it wonderfully:
Quote from: george carlin"I frankly don't give a fuck how it all turns out in this country - or anywhere else, for that matter. I think the human game was up a long time ago (when the high priests and traders took over), and now we're just playing out the string. And that is, of course, precisely what I find so amusing: the slow circling of the drain by a once promising species, and the sappy, ever-more-desperate belief in this country that there is actually some sort of "American Dream," which has merely been msiplaced.
The decay and disintegration of this culture is astonishingly amusing if you are emotionally detached from it. I have always viewed it from a safe distance, knowing I don't belong; it doesn't include me, and it never has. No matter how you care to define it, I do not indentify with the local group. Planet, species, race, nation, state, religion, party, union, club, association, neighborhood, improvement committee;I have no interest in any of it. I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to.
So, if you read something in this book that sounds like advocacy of a particular political point of view, please reject the notion. My interest in "issues" is merely to point out how badly we're doing, not to suggest a way we might do better. Don't confuse me with those who cling to hope. I enjoy describing how things are, I have no interest in how they "ought to be." And I certainly have no interest in fixing them. I sincerely believe that if you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem. My motto: Fuck Hope!
I am back from my three week trip now but have no internet connection at home due to a massive virus infection(&*%$!!!).I attended my 40 year high school reunion while on my trip.I am sending this post from a public library.I hope to say more later.triffid
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on June 09, 2010, 07:39:40 AM
and yet you still chose to post an irrelevant argument. ::)your argument in this paragraph is a red herring. how is any of that relevant to the question of the level of chinese education?
lee, you are obviously confused here. let us recap...
saikron1 said:to which i replied:that is a cogent argument... relative and strongly pointed out.
Oh? Confused?
Did you read the title of this thread? It's:
I see an economic disaster coming... (I realized I misspelled it in the title, but this software doesn't spell-check thread titles).
I implied, in my response to WilbyInebriated, that I thought, or intended to say, Chinese education was irrelevant to their survival. It is irrelevant.
He said:
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on June 04, 2010, 05:42:30 PM
china has more honor students than america has students, so does india... do the math, their coming dominance is inevitable.
So what? So they're educated. An economic collapse would deprive the Communist government of their self-motivated, coveted power to impose their will on people, and they would lose a lot of 'face' in the process. Being educated won't help them survive; there are just more of them (the Chinese) than us. For now. That can, and will, change. I can tell you why, if you're interested. Are you?
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you then hopped on board with your irrelevant response to me:this is not cogent and here is why. communism was never spoken of, by saikron1 or myself, and is irrelevant to the argument at hand. this is a logical fallacy, known as a red herring argument. you then followed that with another logical fallacy, your statement about aids. aids is also irrelevant (aids has nothing to do with how educated the chinese are) to the argument at hand.
indeed. math has nothing to do with your logical fallacies... because they are irrelevant. lol.
aids is still irrelevant to the argument at hand...
Okay, I concede that point. Communism is money-oriented and greedy, but that can be part of their undoing economically, which
is the
subject of this
thread. They're responsible for acting the way they do.
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the european debt crisis is another red herring... the gulf oil spill is another red herring... greece is another red herring... no! those aren't cogent! the argument at hand is about the chinese being educated... ::)
Oh? Why are they 'red herrings'? The Europeans are digging themselves into a money hole too deep for them to get out of---and this country is exposed to part of that debt. It's not a (huge!) amount of money, but trickle-down foreign trade amounts to more money than that and American jobs can be affected badly in the future.
The oil spill? It's already costing a lot of money and more than 100,000 jobs are at stake. Commercial fishing, recreational fishing, crab harvesting, oyster harvesting, crawfish harvesting, tourism, and then there's support industries. For the Gulf States, is up to $60,000,000,000/yr.
The potential loss of this revenue isn't significant to these people? I think it is. The whole "Recovery" could go into a double-dip downturn.
Greece? Not relevant? Without confidence in the banking system, a monetary crisis could---and probably will---cause a collapse of the euro. The Europeans are avoiding an economic problem which California is also in now. Greece is the "Canary in the Coal Mine." What happens to them will happen to America eventually. They have grave problems they don't want to face yet---and some, or many, Californians think the same way.
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here, this might help you out. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
until you refrain from this repeated use of logical fallacy i'm afraid i will have to refuse to respond to you.
This thread was intended to be an archive of those articles which I and others could support the reporting of the imminent collapse as a possible warning to anyone who wanted to read the references.
You don't have to respond if you choose not to.
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george carlin said it wonderfully:
I think Carlin's attitude was accurate. Hope really sucks, if that was what he meant. It does and he's correct in that regard.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 09, 2010, 02:51:53 PM
Oh? Confused?
yes. confused.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 09, 2010, 02:51:53 PM
Did you read the title of this thread? It's: I see an economic disaster coming... (I realized I misspelled it in the title, but this software doesn't spell-check thread titles).
you really can't seem to grasp the difference between the 'argument at hand' and the thread title can you?
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 09, 2010, 02:51:53 PM
I implied, in my response to WilbyInebriated, that I thought, or intended to say, Chinese education was irrelevant to their survival.
you implied no such thing... in point of fact, you never once mentioned education in your first two irrelevant responses...
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 09, 2010, 02:51:53 PM
So what? So they're educated.
duh!! that was my one and only point to saikron1. my intentions were to correct saikron1's erroneous assumption. then you went off with your irrelevant postings... and now i'm wasting my time on your logical fallacies... ::)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 09, 2010, 02:51:53 PM
An economic collapse would deprive the Communist government of their self-motivated, coveted power to impose their will on people, and they would lose a lot of 'face' in the process. Being educated won't help them survive; there are just more of them (the Chinese) than us. For now. That can, and will, change. I can tell you why, if you're interested. Are you?
no. i'm not interested. here's why, IT'S IRRELEVANT TO THE ARGUMENT AT HAND!!
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 09, 2010, 02:51:53 PM
Communism is money-oriented and greedy, but that can be part of their undoing economically, which is the subject of this thread.
so what?
it's not the
subject of the
argument at hand... you just don't get that do you?
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 09, 2010, 02:51:53 PM
Oh? Why are they 'red herrings'?
THEY ARE RED HERRINGS BECAUSE THEY ARE IRRELEVANT TO THE ARGUMENT AT HAND!!!come on lee!!! why are you making me repeat myself??
go read that link i posted about logical fallacies. learn it. pay close attention to red herrings, strawman and appeal to popularity...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on June 09, 2010, 07:49:54 PM
you really can't seem to grasp the difference between the 'argument at hand' and the thread title can you? ... you implied no such thing... in point of fact, you never once mentioned education in your first two irrelevant responses... (You're right, I didn't--Lee)
...duh!! that was my one and only point to saikron1. my intentions were to correct saikron1's erroneous assumption. ...
saikron1's original post:
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actually, it is depend on USA how to survive. your ancestor give you a lot of technology to solve coming problem. it is right time to use it. even you guyz can make it in low cost device. why not? forget about oil and gas.... now it is the time to use tesla tech or magnetic energy by own...
china is now becoming richest country in the world... but they still dun have much on technology and majority the ppl there not really educated.
i don't why, USA can't make it. USA keep a lot of technology and a lot of talented people. majority educated. why economy still going down.
That was Reply #541,
In #543, didn't I say anything about education, he did, but I did say the elected leaders wanted to be greedy by suppressing free energy inventions (my first response in Reply #543). I didn't say anything about education.
I agree with that.Reply # 542,
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china has more honor students than america has students, so does india... do the math, their coming dominance is inevitable.
You didn't go any further than that. And you did bring education into the debate; you didn't explain your point. Here's the article that may prove your point, right?
http://polidics.com/news/china-produces-more-honor-students-then-all-of-our-students-put-together.html
If you tried to steer saikron1 from his idea, you lost me on the point.
Would you mind explaining why China, having so many honor students, is so great?
Why are they becoming so dominant? With education, you say? Were you trying to dissuade saikron1 from from his point? Your point being precisely what?
My original point, here and elsewhere on this thread, I believe: Their economy and ours are interconnected; we'll be equally screwed in the future.
They, the Chinese, can try and buy this country, but owning our debt won't be worth anything when that debt become unsustainable. Their government has the same problem ours has: Politics, and that was also part of my point.
I tried to say education was irrelevant compared to political stupidity with respect to education, after you and saikron1 brought education up.
Time is short on this borrowed computer. Got to go.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 09, 2010, 09:19:58 PM
And you did bring education into the debate; you didn't explain your point.
NO I DID NOT. quit making shit up. the record clearly shows saikron1 brought education into the debate. i did explain my point...
saikron1 said: "china is now becoming richest country in the world... but they still dun have much on technology and majority the ppl there not really educated."
to which i replied: "china has more honor students than america has students, so does india... do the math, their coming dominance is inevitable."
it is obvious to anyone using their brain that the 'argument at hand' (between saikron1 and myself) is about the level of chinese education REGARDLESS OF THE THREAD TOPIC... yet you go off on repeated diatribes about everything BUT education... and you still don't understand why your responses are irrelevant. ::)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 09, 2010, 09:19:58 PM
If you tried to steer saikron1 from his idea, you lost me on the point.
you were lost before you started your first reply to me... that much is evident from your irrelevant responses.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 09, 2010, 09:19:58 PM
Would you mind explaining why China, having so many honor students, is so great?
again the point of the argument at hand goes over your head. ::)
having many honor students may or may not make china great, but that is irrelevant, because the argument was not about them being 'great'...
for the love of zeus lee!!! educate yourself on logic, reasoning and relevance. i gave you a link... educate yourself.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on June 09, 2010, 09:47:22 PM
NO I DID NOT. quit making shit up. the record clearly shows saikron1 brought education into the debate. i did explain my point...
saikron1 said: "china is now becoming richest country in the world... but they still dun have much on technology and majority the ppl there not really educated." ... to which i replied: "china has more honor students than america has students, so does india... do the math, their coming dominance is inevitable."
...it is obvious to anyone using their brain that the 'argument at hand' (between saikron1 and myself) is about the level of chinese education REGARDLESS OF THE THREAD TOPIC...
Good. You finally admitted it yourself. Education wasn't part of the thread topic?
Yes? No?Do you know anything about the phrase,
"Off topic?" Yes?!?! Why are you
consistently off topic? You think that this is something that's insignificant to Stefan and Cap-Z-ro? Either one or both of them could have you banned for the piss-poor attitude you show toward several or many of the Members on this site.
Maybe you're not aware of,
"Off topic?" Or, as an alternative,
you don't
care?
I took the liberty that all Members have by looking at the last 80-90 of your most recent posts. You're sure high-minded about your opinion of others. Sure, you know something about physics and electronics, but you're telling others, in effect, "Here's my truth, and but the way, you're an idiot."
Look at these representative examples:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2794.msg231775#msg231775 , Replies #5305 & #5355
Rather condescending, IMO.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/condescending
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3500.msg229990#msg229990
Okay, I'll be honestly fair. I took an industrial metal class in high school and you're correct, slow cooling is the way to anneal steel, rather than fast-quenching it. You do know something about physics, as I said, but that's the last kind of positive statement you're getting from me.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5772.msg228982#msg228982 , Reply #336
If I said insulting things like that to people around me, I'd be dead shortly. It's a good thing the people you insult don't know where you live.
Please continue that attitude with those whom you associate with living near you, and
hope they don't have relatives with short tempers who own guns or take martial arts classes.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8775.msg228555#msg228555 , Reply #10
And you're not reading what you're writing? You're doing what you claim Jerry (on_the_cutting_edge_2005) is doing. Now, I admit I'm not the the most highly educated or professionally experienced Member on this site. Like Jerry, I post my opinions on topics that I think I might know something about or I ask honest questions. I've posted back and forth in the past with Jerry, and I'm satisfied he's sincere in what he thinks is his opinion. I don't always agree with him, but I'm not going to stoop so low as to take that kind of attitude toward him. Frankly, I'm being nice to you, here. I didn't use all caps and/or bold letters like you sometimes do. Maybe I'm too nice? You're about the biggest, worst schmuck I've ever come across.
Alright, enough of this. I'll put your name in the same category as TechStuf and not answer your posts from now on. TechStuf is, IMHO, an incorrigible religionist and your fairly frequently harshly worded posts are no better than that you come across as an educated schmuck, but a schmuck nonetheless.
To summarize:
I started this thread as an expose' of explanatory articles and 'Web sources to illustrate the, IMHO, impending collapse of the American and/or worldwide economie(s). Survival subjects after the collapse are acceptable associated subjects of discussion IMO.
Your admission that education, as such, was, in effect, off topic, makes my case that you're violating forum rules.
I'm
not perfect; I
know that. I occasionally stray from the topic of a particular thread. I can realize it and admit it. I don't do it very often.
However! I don't go out of my way to insult people with an attitude like yours.
Maybe Cap-Z-ro will see this post and decide whether my side of the argument needs to be deleted in all or part of this post. He's the Moderator of this Forum and we agree on a fair number of ideas. I defer to his judgement.
--Lee
My home computer is still tied up with a fake antivirius program called"AV Security Suite".You can google it up to learn more about it.I had to use the library computer to leave this message.triffid
It gets between you and the internet
with the windows proxy feature ...
Start in "Safe Mode with Networking" (F8 @ startup).
Internet Options >> Connections tab >> LAN Settings
Uncheck the "Use a Proxy Server" checkbox, reboot.
Then get a good uninstaller for that piece-o-crap app.
http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&newwindow=1&num=100&lr=lang_en&safe=off&q=#num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=Removing+AV.Security.Suite
Quote from: triffid on June 11, 2010, 12:40:07 PM
My home computer is still tied up with a fake antivirius program called"AV Security Suite".You can google it up to learn more about it.I had to use the library computer to leave this message.triffid
Uh huh. It's a rogue virus. The Internet has a lot of suggestions to remove it. This is just one:
http://www.spyware-experts.com/need-to-remove-av-security-suite/?gclid=CKPWzZrgmKICFSCjiQod-DPcXQ
There are also companies trying to sell their own antiviral package as well. Commercialism at its best.
Anyone who has an Internet-capable computer should have up-to-date antiviral software, or they're asking for trouble.
On topic:Greece has occupied mine, and other's, attention for a long time, but Japan has the 2nd biggest economy in the world behind The States. The issue, thusly:
http://www.ely-co.com/reports/crisis.pdf
Now, there was an American financial commentator on cable Channel 50, in my viewing area, for my particular cable provider, who advocated the American Gov't selling guaranteed long term securities---in very strong demand---to refinance the American debt, since the Euro and other currencies are so weak. A win-win situation, right?
No.
All we'd be doing is the same as Greece and others by forestalling the inevitable day of reckoning when the bills come due as interest that someone has to legally pay. Borrowing more isn't the answer. Cutting spending and costs as a result is just as bad a decision
against the public because nobody wants to face that kind of financial privation anywhere in the world.
Here's similar issue:
British stockholders are going to demand that BP pay their dividend on time, even though the Americans want the money set aside for oil spill cleanup costs and lawsuit payouts. They, the stockholders, depend on the money to pay bills. About the same as Greece and their welfare state. See? Some, or many, people don't want to pay for someone else's problem.
The whole scenario will get out of control when interest rates rise dramatically. It's coming sooner or later.
And, the Gulf oil spill is still threatening $60 billion in Gulf business as the well continues to gush. Double-dip recession, anyone?
@triffid
We can trade posts when you fix your computer.
--Lee
that's some nice cherry picking lee, but ad hominem? that's the last bastion of those with no ground to stand on...
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 10, 2010, 11:00:10 PM
Your admission that education, as such, was, in effect, off topic, makes my case that you're violating forum rules.
since you replied to the same post i did (saikron1's) doesn't that also make a case against yourself for violating forum rules?
reply #543 http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8010.msg243567#msg243567
you replied to saikron directly after i did... and raised no 'off topic' objection then. ::)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 04, 2010, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: saikron1...china is now becoming richest country in the world... but they still dun have much on technology and majority the ppl there not really educated.
Perfect point to what I was saying. Many world leaders are holding their countrymen hostage to the their own whims, in spite of what's in the best interest of their countries population's wishes. This goes for China, as well. Stupid, greedy Communists!!!
regardless, i gave you three at bats and you struck out everytime with logical fallacies... i will respond to them no more.
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Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on May 13, 2010, 08:46:03 PM
Recent Internet article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37136518/ns/us_news-life/
More states like NV, CA and FL may resort to this tactic. If they do the right thing and own up to their responsibility to cut costs, their residents will be more than a little unhappy, to make a staggering understatement.
As I said before, "There's no good answer" to this recessionary crisis.
--Lee
There was a TV commentator that considered it likely that the USA can continue with its "recovery", but outside influences may short circuit the improvement process with a foreign double-dip recession.
Another article:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65E5K520100615?type=ousivMolt
I agree. Europe and Japan are vulnerable to weakness in their smaller economies and heavy debt, in some cases.
Then there's the oil spill getting worse every day. People are becoming angry at "Obama's Katrina".
--Lee
My brother managed to remove the fake antivirus program so I'm posting this post from home.
I am looking at investing in the tar sands of canada.There is a tar sand fund.Pays about 8.4% right now.They use steam injection to remove the oil from the sands and have enough reserves to last about 20 more years up in Alberta.No off shore drilling at all and they do work at restoring the land back to its pristine state.I borrowed a dvd from the library called"The tar sands of alberta"
and got sold on investing in this technology.Plus the stocks would be in canadian money so if the dollar went into hyperinflation the loon should not.triffid
I used strips of aluminum foil 12 inches by 4 inches.Folded them in half about 10 times using a book to flatten them into suitable wires to make my solar panels with.I tried tinning them with a 20 watt soldering iron but no luck yet.I had success in melting the 60/40 solder with the 20 watt soldering iron.I think the foil wires can be tinned but with a hotter soldering iron(which I have).I used rubbing alcohol to clean off my fingerprint oils from the foil wires.I did find that my foil wires transmit heat pretty well to my fingers! triffid
So I'm thinking homemade foil wires could have solar applications?triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 22, 2010, 10:29:42 AM
So I'm thinking homemade foil wires could have solar applications?triffid
Well, I'd never tried to build my own solar panels, since I've always rented an apartment for the last 40 years or so.
The foil connections would most likely work, but they're aluminum; having a rather low melting point and need to be fairly substantial in dimensions for the strength to be usable on a panel.
I always used extra solder rosin flux for soldering. Radio Shack sells a 3-4 oz. container (for something like 4-6 bucks)?
The oil sand stocks in Alberta sound okay, but if the economy collapses---and it
probably will---the money won't help you put edible food on the table.
As it stands now, I'm starting to quietly stockpile food and water for an emergency situation. It's the best I can do in this large city with a low income.
--Lee
if u wanna build panels from cells goto http://www.evergreensolar.com/
trust me
This guy was on coasttocoastam again last night.He set up a website to teach people about making alcohol for fuel.He is selling a book and workshops but seems to really know what hes talking about.http://www.alcoholcanbeagas.com/
The tar sands dvd were a delight because in 50 years on the subject I had never heard a lot about it and the dvd showed the progress they have made in the last 50 years.I too am stocking up on canned goods since most will last 30 years if need be.Cranberry sauce will ruin a can in a years time(personal experience).As for water if you have to you can get it from a river or stream and boil it for 15 minutes on the stove or campfire.That will kill most germs.Run it through activated charcoal to remove most chemicals.Triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 23, 2010, 09:57:04 AM
This guy was on coasttocoastam again last night.He set up a website to teach people about making alcohol for fuel.He is selling a book and workshops but seems to really know what hes talking about.http://www.alcoholcanbeagas.com/
Right. There were plans where I lived in the Southwestern States to utilize salt-resistant plants to make alcohol and/or biodiesel. Much cheaper and also working land that's hardly useful for anything else.
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The tar sands dvd were a delight because in 50 years on the subject I had never heard a lot about it and the dvd showed the progress they have made in the last 50 years.
Yeah, research was done on the subject. I imagine patents were granted for unique recovery/treatment processes. However, there's always the leftover castings. It looks like a dead ringer for paving asphalt when it cools.
Tons and tons of the stuff laying around. Manufacturers could use it on roads, I realize. Why don't they? Here's a patent:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=veFTAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
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I too am stocking up on canned goods since most will last 30 years if need be.Cranberry sauce will ruin a can in a years time(personal experience).As for water if you have to you can get it from a river or stream and boil it for 15 minutes on the stove or campfire.
There was a rumor in the Air Force I heard that using Clorox to kill the germs in a 5 gallon water cooler bottle works pretty well. Just add a capfull to the water in 3-4 gallons of a bottle, shake it for a minute, and then let it sit for an hour or two. It will still taste bad, but it won't make you sick. The germs will be dead.
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That will kill most germs.Run it through activated charcoal to remove most chemicals.Triffid
That would work, but it might be expensive? Charcoal is common, but is leftover fire charcoal good enough in quality to purify water?
--Lee
http://www.examiner.com/a-2695960~Fed_strikes_more_cautious_tone_on_US_recovery.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu67yo-3jfw
Mark my words, buy land late 2010, get out of the city your in.
fun on topic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WphNO24h9nA
cheap gas for blood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDYjNao0YTw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MK4SEoBFXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGe1zb1wAlY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kByBSDYeO4
Quote from: X00013 on June 23, 2010, 08:18:08 PM
Mark my words, late 2010, of the city your in.
Point taken. Take a look at:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE65E5JT20100615
This will probably have far reaching consequences. When people people have no money with which to make their lives comfortable, they might do whatever it takes to survive.
Additionally, there's this:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Newhome-sales-plunge-33-pct-apf-1236863702.html?x=0
Double dip?
Also this:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/LB18Dj02.html
Greece is like a coal mine canary. Social unrest could happen here as well, as it did on the streets of Athens or other cities. I say X00013 has a point. But, I have nowhere to run to. On the other hand, I live in a secure, front-door-locked 8th-floor high-rise that's also one of the sturdiest buildings in San Francisco. Freshly upgraded to strict earthquake codes.
However, if
you can get to the country with food, water and a reliable gun/ammo combination, so much the better. This whole scenario could get more than *unpleasant* when the money runs out. That goes for just about everyone who lives in a metropolitan city or rural town.
--Lee
Quote from: X00013 on June 23, 2010, 08:14:47 PM
http://www.examiner.com/a-2695960~Fed_strikes_more_cautious_tone_on_US_recovery.html
X00013 may be correct in posting this article. Here's one that paints a grim picture:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/28/opinion/28krugman.html
And, the article immediately above doesn't take into account the Gulf oil spill and Alex bearing down on the Mexican-Texas border. Anadarko pulled its workers off Western Gulf production rigs today (28/6/10) and more oil is projected to impact the Gulf shore states. Near-shore fishing, shrimp and oyster harvesting is probably through for the year. Maybe 5-10 years. Nobody knows for sure. $60 billion in yearly gross sales is at stake, here. This is something to worry about in a potential development for a double-dip recession. For starters.
--Lee
I would think that clorox would kill those germs in the water in 15 minutes but an hour is not bad if you can wait. My aluminum foil wires did not melt under the heat from a 20 watt soldering iron.I managed to buy four small solar panels for $7.99 each from "Harbour Freight".They are listed as 9 volt battery chargers.I am buying more canned goods too.Soups,and fish are on my main list now.If you are an apartment dweller you might buy a solar powered battery charger?I will buy some fruit in cans too. triffid
It has been hard for me to stay on the internet lately.A bolt of lightening took out the neigbours tree and his internet router and my internet at home is gone again.Add in the "Av Security Suite" attacks (two so far) and add in the times the internet service is just plain out anyway.I am going 18 miles out of my way to a library where I can borrow a computer to get on the web.Like today ,just to be able to post here.I did buy a 12inch x12 inch ceramic tile to work on my aluminum wires.So I will try to tin them again.
I was happy to find those four solar panels.You can use 9 volts to charge 6 volt batteries with and combine the two 6 volts to get 12 volts.Or by reflecting (using mirrors)twice the light to
get 18 volts out of it.triffid
According to the Trump Social Security may last until 2030.Still not a lot of time.but more time than 2012.triffid
It would be funny if it weren't sad to think my cans of tuna could become priceless if BP wipes out all fishlife in the oceans.triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 01, 2010, 11:35:07 AM
I would think that clorox would kill those germs in the water in 15 minutes but an hour is not bad if you can wait. ...
That's right. The source from the Vietman War said wait at least an hour. And shake the bottle well. The water still tasted like cr@p, but it was safe to drink.
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My aluminum foil wires did not melt under the heat from a 20 watt soldering iron. ...
Really? Aluminum gets really weak at about 250 - 300 deg. F and also melts at a relatively low temperature. Mach 3 fighters are made of steel and titanium for that reason.
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... I managed to buy four small solar panels for $7.99 each from "Harbour Freight". ... If you are an apartment dweller you might buy a solar powered battery charger? They are listed as 9 volt battery chargers. ...
That's a pretty good idea. I'll have to look into that, but the rechargable batteries are fairly expensive, you know.
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I am buying more canned goods too.Soups,and fish are on my main list now.I will buy some fruit in cans too. triffid
Very good idea. I get paid tomorrow, but I also have some medical bills coming up in a month or two, so that'll be a concern.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on July 01, 2010, 11:47:21 AM
It has been hard for me to stay on lately.A bolt of lightening took out the neigbours tree and his internet router and my internet at home is gone again.
Did you say where you lived in the past on a thread? Sounds like you live in the "bush" or "sticks" of a rural county.
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Add in the "Av Security Suite" attacks (two so far) and add in the times the internet service is just plain out anyway.I am going 18 miles out of my way to a library where I can borrow a computer to get on the web.Like today ,just to be able to post here.
I've never had to put up with this
"Av Security Suite" rogue to slow me down. I stay on large, well-established sites, but even that is no guarantee that their firewall(s) will stop them.
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I did buy a 12inch x12 inch ceramic tile to work on my aluminum wires.So I will try to tin them again.
I was happy to find those four solar panels.You can use 9 volts to charge 6 volt batteries with and combine the two 6 volts to get 12 volts.Or by reflecting (using mirrors)twice the light to
get 18 volts out of it.triffid
That reminds me: I checked and Radio Shack doesn't sell solar powered battery chargers. They do have small, car-specific, battery powered inverters, on the other hand. I told a salesman, and he agreed, the only way to go the Radio Shack or the auto parts route for solar-powered battery chargers is:
Solar cells----> Batterie(s)---->Inverter---->Battery charger---->Batteries, other appliances
I actually did something like this while living on the streets in order to power an electric shaver from a battery. I had about 10 small solar cells in parallel to trickle charge a car battery in the winter, that being what they were designed for. I really needed about 40 of them. The battery went dead in 3 days. Not enough savings for a bigger system.
Also, one can experiment with toroids, Caduceus coils, Mobius coils, or other component systems to increase efficiency.
There are other places to go:
1) Sporting goods stores, specifically
2) Wal-Mart/Target store sporting goods sections
3) Mail order distributors of sporting goods in general
--Lee
It turns out that the solar panels I bought for $7.99 each plus sales tax will charge up 12 volt batteries.I have one inside my car charging up 2 AA batteries.I live 30 miles from Dallas,Texas out in the country.Regular batteries can be charged up ten times before they start leaking.An old trick I learned in college many years before.I think I can avoid handling and shipping charges from buying on ebay If I buy from harbour frieght triffid
In April I spent $300 on handling and shipping charges on ebay to get my solar cells from ebay.To get about $300 worth of solar cells and small solar panels.I think I will hang out at Fry's and harbour frieght to see what more I can get.I am building up the nerve to try to tin my aluminum wires again.I have the ceramic tile and hotter soldering irons waitng.The heat may have weakened the aluminum wires but it did not melt it.It turned brown as if I had charred a coating on it.triffid
You can run your clorox treated water thur crushed charcoal to make it taste better just don't use charcoal thats been sprayed with lighter fluid to make it light quicker.Use only dry charcoal and I used a coffee filter from an old coffee pot.triffid
RECENT UPDATE:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/8-Problems-That-Could-Trigger-usnews-2034065513.html?x=0
I'd add a few more things to be concerned about:
9) Financial markets are just as risky as before. I think $1 quadrillion in Credit Default Swaps (derivatives) are waiting to be either defaulted on or simply cannot be paid in, say, 1,000+ years.
10) The war in SW Asia is costing about several trillion dollars. And we can't win militarily with the army we have now. A black hole of money.
11) The Gulf oil spill is jeopardizing $60 billion in total regional economic activity. Jobs are already being lost. The end of the spill may come in late Aug. Maybe. The money is being lost now.
I think all this is adding up. I doesn't look good, to put it as a seriously strong understatement.
--Lee
I see an economic disaster for gamblers and swindlers. Gamblers the stock market gamers. Swindlers the debt salesman. In the coming world if all you can do for others is rip them off then I dont believe you'll be of any value and being of little value discarded. I dont forsee it as an economic disaster but more as an economic revolution. An economy based on ripping people off and enslaving them is long overdue to be dead. The trickle down theory is bullshit.
If you are living off the sweat of others then I'd be pretty worried at this point. The trigger was the greed of the banking industry. They have been playing the same game since time immortal. Come into my den and sign this piece of paper. It is a majical piece of paper that allows you property rights. We are wealthy cant you see by the trappings of our room we now show you that we are wealthy. Give us all the gold that you have. We will give you this majical piece of paper. You can touch it for a second. You will be wealthy like us for a second. Then you will work for 30years and give us more gold each and every month. If you do not give us more gold each month we will have the police who we control throw you out of our (oh excuse me) your house or place of business. Now that you have touched the majical piece of paper please give it to this man who will take this majical piece of paper and deposit it into the former owners account. He grew tired of giving us gold every month and preferred to touch the majic paper again. So lets take the old bullshit money out of the equation. Outlaw moneylending all together and forgive all debt. The banking industry crashes and is reduced to living off of service fees on debit cards and cashing paychecks and administering trusts or whatever real service they provide. Now if you have a better mouse trap and want to start a business who will you turn to for startup capitol. You will have to sell stock in your company. If you can not sell stock in your company then most likely your mouse trap sucks. The systematic dismantling of companies that produced goods and services so that a moneylender could list the property as a tangible asset and in so doing perpectuate the debt industry destroyed the gnp of the United States. Lots of empty high rise condos round here where the fishing industry use to be. The fishing industry would have kept everybody employed in a meaningful task. Instead we have a bunch of empty devalued apartments getting moldy and full of termites. Thankyou moneylenders for your wonderful service provided. Take your majic paper and shove it where the sun dont shine.
@sparks
With respect to your Reply post #586,
Well said. My Native American ancestors didn't need to be greedy to survive and neither do I. I just need enough and I have to do my best to make the effort to survive, whatever that takes.
I think we all do.
NEWS UPDATE:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/02/news/economy/jobs_gone_forever/index.htm?postversion=2010070223
--Lee
Sell your gold November 1st, 2010, then buy land. If you want to buy stock like most losers do, then ride the alcoa prospect of ww3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqPaeb2lsRI&playnext_from=TL&videos=o4AnrTLSCuQ
u only live once and you aint comn bak
Quote from: X00013 on July 12, 2010, 09:35:05 PM
Sell your gold November 1st, 2010, then buy land. If you want to buy stock like most losers do, then ride the alcoa prospect of ww3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqPaeb2lsRI&playnext_from=TL&videos=o4AnrTLSCuQ
u only live once and you aint comn bak
It might be a good idea to avoid the panic that's probably coming by getting ready now,
if possible.
Learn to live off the land if you live in a western state or otherwise
quietly stockpile general provisions/soap-matches-medicine-etc/gun-ammo/water/fuel and so on, as much as possible. Pretty quick, as in "Now".
Were running out of time, IMHO. X00013 is right in that regard.
Another concern?
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/government/trade-deficit-threatens-double-dip-depression/?test=latestnews
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 12, 2010, 12:45:24 PM
NEWS UPDATE:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/02/news/economy/jobs_gone_forever/index.htm?postversion=2010070223
--Lee
Also, small banks are being squeezed out of existence by souring commercial loans and high unemployment:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100714/ap_on_bi_ge/us_bailout_watchdog_small_banks
Hundreds of small banks could fail in 1 1/2 yrs. Add that to the list of worsening problems.
Illinois is the new Greece?http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/13/news/economy/illinois_debt/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin
Countries, as well as states, are equally bad off:http://wallstreet.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2010/06/18/more-bets-against-big-states/
--Lee
I get amazed sometimes about how smart people can be in spite of current events.http://www.rubber-power.com/Gallery10.htm shows plans for a Walkalong glider.If your kids get bored being shut in some day show them this website.http://www.rubber-power.com/Gallery10.htm
The US dept is in the form of notes. Some of these notes take on the form of US dollars. As other people of the world start to doubt the ability of the US to do anything beyond consume and export high tech weapons and put the US military out in the field in a mercanary position for large corporations the US credit report starts to sink. The dollar becomes worth less or worthless and inflation takes its toll. If the US government does not start to govern and allows itself to be a corporate whore then we as citizens are in trouble. If things continue we will be working all day for a meal never mind housing transportation and living. Obama has done nothing to create jobs. He just devalued the dollar by handing billions to the debt industry and the automotive industry. What is it with the automotive industry. They are corporations owned by multinational interests. The jobs lost are inevitable nobody has any money to buy a new car duh. If you are working in detroit in an SUV assembly plant you should be thinking career change as the corporations will steadily enslave peoples of other lands where there are no labor laws enviromental laws or anything else that resembles respect for the human condition. The world has a new generation of colonists and these people are ruthless. You think the British were bad look at every country that they pulled out of. Right behind them the corporations pulled in. What the Spainards did to the Americas will pale in contrast to what the corporations will do to us now.
@sparks
With respect to your post #592,
Well said!
As George Santayana said,
"Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it."
Deja vu all over again. This time, though, I think the current repetition will equal the collapse of the Roman Empire for reasons similar to that time period.
Santayana is absolutely right.
--Lee
I hear that when other nations refuse to buy our debt then the dollar will soon crumble.So When you hear that China is not buying our debt and today I heard that they still are.So judgement day is not here yet.I heard some numbers today .The USA owes 14 trillion.China has bought about 900 billion of that debt.
I hear timelines ranging from two years to 70 years but whenever it is.The collapse will catch a lot of people by surprise.
Quote from: triffid on July 18, 2010, 11:01:15 PM
I hear that when other nations refuse to buy our debt then the dollar will soon crumble.So When you hear that China is not buying our debt and today I heard that they still are.
They're reducing the rate at which they buy, I heard on the news. They're finally deciding to wise up. The debt is a black hole. Computer projections fall apart at about 2035 because of just the interest on the debt. Right. It's coming to an end, sooner or later.
QuoteSo judgement day is not here yet.I heard some numbers today .The USA owes 14 trillion.China has bought about 900 billion of that debt.
That's just the debt. The ongoing costs add to that daily. As I said,
"It's coming to an end, sooner or later."Quote
I hear timelines ranging from two years to 70 years but whenever it is.The collapse will catch a lot of people by surprise.
Stupid people, maybe. The OU Members should be smart enough to see the trends. I sure do.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 12, 2010, 12:45:24 PM
NEWS UPDATE:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/02/news/economy/jobs_gone_forever/index.htm?postversion=2010070223
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_unemployment_benefits_impact
I think the article is right. Something has to happen to create jobs on a big scale for the economy to get going. Not happening.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Relief-effort-fails-many-at-apf-3302765136.html?x=0
This *hits the nail on the head*. Tax credits ended and then the bottom the balloon deflated *again*. More foreclosures coming. Maybe many,
many more. No end in sight.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on July 18, 2010, 11:01:15 PM
ars to 70 years but whenever it is.The collapse will catch a lot of people by surprise.
Here's one that is actually sneaking up on everyone slowly:
The whole, average American infrastructure is crumbling from fiscal neglect. After WWII, Pres. Eisenhower invested heavily in infrastructure after he saw what great things the German Autobahn did for the German economy.
Now, it's over. Bridges, railroads, roads, power grids, etc. are dilapidated to the point of collapse. If it isn't the lack of money to keep the economy going, the lack of quality infrastructure will do the rest in a "collapse".
--Lee
I found an interesting website.I liked the article about stealth camping.It kind of goes along with my idea of stealth farming.http://www.off-grid.net/
triffid
Another site on eco-friendly homes.http://www.greenlivingonline.com/article/inside-americas-most-eco-friendly-homes
How amusing ! We look to these blogs while we miss the point. The middle class in the U.S. Is being systematically eliminated by the political elite. We are asked to sell our cars, down size our homes, extend the retirement age, pay more for everything while your Congress and the Corporate elite continue to benefit from the national despair.
well if haliburton follows thru on ending oil and switching to there green companies in one years as I heard while installing granite in there house they thought I was a plumber
but I wasnt I was listening to the whole phone call with David the ceo hes not the boss
just a puppet told to not make any decisions let the board do it there getting there accounting in order they have silicon cells to lead frequencies basically they convert the lead frequency into light frequencies by spliting it but they dont have uvc uvb uva But I do. but there only building silicon cells to make you buy solar over and over as they over power the grid and manipulate energy spikes but Im sabataging them before they get to bankrupt us again like 911 enron mortgage. there busses are set in order so when oil ends you have to use ther busses on natural gas and solar. at least in california they are. The dollar crashes with oil get out early keep your cash get gold read revelations the letter to the Dila oceans laodiceans
Quote from: triffid on August 09, 2010, 09:49:53 PM
How amusing ! We look to these blogs while we miss the point.
Well, I think the average American is only concerned with his immediate comfort, so you may be right? He might not accept the failure of the economy as inevitable because he doesn't prefer to think of something that dire to his survival? I think that's what "John Q. Public" thinks, anyway.
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The middle class in the U.S. Is being systematically eliminated by the political elite. We are asked to sell our cars, down size our homes, extend the retirement age, pay more for everything while your Congress and the Corporate elite continue to benefit from the national despair.
There may have been an Ancient Roman senator who could have said,
"As long as people are allowed to engage in their carnal lusts and be excused for their willful ignorance, they'll accept any kind of restriction or tyranny." (paraphrased gist of the actual quote)
I agree. This world may not be worth rescuing by now. It's too far gone downhill.
--Lee
Buyers have already borrowed too much money that they can’t pay back. They spent it on houses that are now worth less than the loan. However, since the banks have friends in Washington, they get special treatment that you do not have. The Federal Reserve prints up bales of new money to buy worthless mortgages from the most irresponsible banks, slowing down the buyer-friendly deflation in prices and socializing bank losses.
Big bank cash flow will never run out as long as the Federal Reserve exists.
The Federal Reserve exists simply to protect big banks from the free market. Banks get to keep any profits they make; however, the bank will have losses and the FR will print more money and buy the bad mortgages. This will get passed on to you as inflation.
Congress authorized vast amounts of TARP bailout cash, taken from taxpayers, to be loaned directly to the worst-run banks; those that already gambled on mortgages and lost. The FR and Congress are letting the banks “extend and pretend†that their mortgage loans will get paid back.
It is necessary that YOU be forced deeply into debt and therefore forced into slavery for the banks to make a profit. If you pay a low price for a house and manage to avoid debt, the banks lose control over you. This is unacceptable to them.
Quote from: triffid on August 11, 2010, 09:59:54 AM
Buyers have already borrowed too much money that they can’t pay back. They spent it on houses that are now worth less than the loan.
Right. Some did that as an "investment". Some "investment!" But, then, also too, some were lied to by greedy mortgage brokers who wanted all the commission money.
Here's one of the bottom lines: A political candidate (I forgot who---doesn't matter now) said the ability to cheat with greed was always there. It was the loose financial permissiveness of the Feds that allowed the problem to get so big.
There's something else:
Commercial companies are part of the problem because they lowered salaries and wages to the point that people in *underwater* mortgaged homes can't afford to relocate for a better job. And if they could,
would they relocate to Asia, East Europe of the Middle East for less money than they had before the Great Recession? No wonder the unemployment rate is so high. Companies are doing themselves a disservice by keeping compensation so low. They're responsible for that.
--Lee
See the truth in math they never lost shit
100,000
10,000 pmi
10,000 down
3 years 36,000 paid
compound that
then the price manipulated by
the imigration to inflate the census
every ten years
so they made 56,000
the housing on average did not all drop
below the loans but even the ones that
did they made 56,000
sold the loans as a bond security
to china got paid on future income
based on tripple aaa rated scam loans
then say there broke and we give them 700 trillion
more to cover the oil scam and there ending the dollar
but im taking it all watch and see
If Obama wanted to stimulate the economy he would outlaw the entire loan system. Contracts requiring repayment in excess of the loaned amount would be illegal. Any form of interest collected would constitute a criminal offense. All contracts requiring interest on loaned amounts would be null and void. All mortgages credit card debt or any instrument entered into contract which involves the collection of interest would be null and void. Any existing contract would be modified to reduce the principal owed by all past interest payments made plus any penalities closing costs or any other fees collected beyond the principal amount due. This would most assuredly create an economic disaster for the investment industry but who really cares about these worthless non productive members of society. Alot of stupid selfish hedonistic people would go out and buy up a bunch of krap they dont need but some would make investments into companies corporations small businesses that would benefit future generations instead of enslaving them to moneylenders through tax levy to steal from the poor and give to the rich.
Its way easier then the loans
people can pay interest thats not the issue
the issue is first eliminate short selling
so these guys dont get rich off bankrupting companies
then stabilize imigration eliminating it
is not the problem flucuation is the problem
it fluctuates intentionaly by politicians ever ten years to
bumb the census up
then force free energy by giving our federal
paid power project back to the people first thing i would do
give ca its hyways its byways
its healthcare its wellfare
its coastline its land now national parks
its prisions
its energy
its resources like fishing and Gold
oil and wind
all to the people of california
and when all that power is back to people
then put 1000 volunteers for every million
to watch the goverment officials at work
and then you dont have to wait on votes from 49
other states to get flushing toilets
or running water next to our nuclear plants
and when thats done ca can single handed
turn the economy till free energy we pay more
then probly the whole us comined
our power bills go from 500-700 a month
per house thats not a joke we pay what
most people pay for a house payment for electeicity
our water and garbage runs up to 200 a month
per house think about that then our crooked
gov recycles it all and sells it after charging us.
We get tickits if we leave our trash cans out a day late
ya we have trash can police too the stupidest thing i ever heard
Short sales are great insite into the banking industry game. For a few thousand dollars they will come in and buy the house for less then you owe the bank. How can this be possible. Why would the bank do such a thing. Because they never put any real money out in the first place. What really sucks is the mortgage insurance companies. They take premium money from home buyers and run a game that is even filthier than the moneylenders. They got bailed out by the government but how can you explain all the failed banks. Because the mortgage insurance companies spent all the premium money and the bailout money on their own fat lazy asses. I guess the constitution guaranteed seperation of church and state but not state and criminal behaviour.
Quote from: sparks on August 13, 2010, 02:00:43 AM
Short sales are great insite into the banking industry game. For a few thousand dollars they will come in and buy the house for less then you owe the bank. Why would the bank do such a thing. Because they never put any real money out in the first place.
The bottom line should be: Usury is making money with money by charging interest.
NOTICE:http://www.hsh.com/calc-amort.html
A $150,000 on a fixed rate, 4%, 30 year mortgage loan has $257,766 in payments for an average of $716/mo.
For a refinance loan, 3% at 50 years, the average payment is $483/mo for $289,800 total payments.
(All this doesn't include balloon payments as closing fees.)
My point is: Any house isn't worth that much more than the purchase price to me. No wonder people walk away from an "underwater" house and mail the keys back to the bank. This is usury and is just plain greed.
Greed first, and the increasingly common collapse of the family unit---nontraditional same sex marriages being equally valid to me in cultural terms, and aren't included; they're fine as long as they endure individually---plus political game-playing dirty tricks, as well as two wars overseas that should be impossible to win militarily, will have a devastating effect on the economy eventually. The original focus is money, or lack thereof, in all the above.
The whole scenario is unsustainable.
Otherwise, sparks has hit the bull's eye with the rest of his quoted post. Corporate greed in the housing industry and all other financial fields is torturing the country's economy.
--Lee
most people seem to be overlooking,
a very basic aspect,
of the financial system.
paper based money,
is an illusion.
computer data based money,
is an even thinner illusion.
ownership of "material objects",
might as well be an illusion.
there for,
a system based upon the above,
is a system based on illusions.
if you consider illusions to be lies,
like i do,
than that makes the economic system,
a system based on lies.
the loss of our quality of life,
which in one way or another,
is MOSTLY caused by our economic system,
is real.
the pain,
misery,
suffering,
and worry,
that people feel,
because of the economic system,
are also real.
why should
blood,
sweat,
and tears,
be less important,
than a lie ???
the time and effort that go into a full time job,
were real.
yet the reward for tolerating the job and its many strains,
is not real.
aggravated by the fact,
that after all factors are considered,
most of the time and effort put into the average job,
are wasted.
i estimate that the wasted time/effort,
is greater than 90%.
which means the employee's are burning their lives out,
for what amounts to nothing.
this is not a problem of "money".
this is not caused by a real thing.
this is a problem of "illusion".
of people believing in a lie.
if enough people stop believing in the lie,
and start believing in real things,
than the illusion of money,
will disintegrate into less than photons.
people would still have to prevent the elites from killing them,
with denial of food and shelter.
(legal genocide).
but unlike money,
food and shelter based genocide,
actually is a real problem.
that has real answers.
where illusions cannot be solved,
as they would have to exist,
in order to be solvable.
you cannot shoot a holographic bear.
you cannot date a holographic model.
you cannot borrow $20 from a holographic friend.
and you cannot fix the problems,
of a holographic economic system.
which means until either:
1:
we have a roman empire style infrastructure disintegration,
to FORCE people to no longer feed the lie,
or
2:
the illusion-maintainers are neutralized,
preferably by tying them up,
putting them onto an airplane,
and throwing them out into the middle of the pacific ocean,
or
3:
enough people stop believing in illusions..........
our current miseries will NOT go away.
no matter how many decades pass.
you can live in a shack in the forest.
you can eat wild plants,
with your sense of taste,
being an excellent indicator of toxicity.
(most plant leaves have carbohydrates in them,
other than the unusable cellulose).
you can keep yourself warm enough to live,
with little more than thick layers of clothing,
separation from direct wind/water,
and your own body heat.
it is not hard to live like a cave man.
they greatly over-exaggerate the difficulty.
the only truly hard parts,
are the parts that the elites purposely created.
such as their vicious anti-homeless laws.
or the proliferation of privately "owned" land,
which as it is implemented,
is needlessly damaging,
to our ability to live independantly,
from the control system.
if it were a quarter as hard to survive,
as they have tricked everyone into believing,
than mankind would have gone extinct thousands of years ago,
due to the difficulty.
i ask every one of you, to stop believing in money.
you cannot force other people to disbelieve the hologram.
but you have all the control in the world,
over your own belief in the hologram.
survive in whatever way,
you think you have to survive in.
but don't believe in the lie any longer.
so that you can have real proudness,
that you are not be contributing to it.
And one day we will be throwing our money in streets.....
The Goverment is done let me explain why
first you cant claim eminint domain
in a lake if alligators the people are the alligators
next we have a president whos a hollogram
2 the nasa the nukes the weapons are all infiltrated by
russia and actualy controlled against the president
if he cuts funding because he has no weapons
of his own.
3 the technology has passed the goverment
By far its not in the hands of them
But in the hands of people with more money
Example one casino in vegas has a bigger budget
then the nasa program and also more technology
they can control the entire casino
with frequency of harmonics and brain wave pulse
at the same as optic nerve to release seritonin
this is widly used it was developed in
airforce the same program timothy
mcvague was in also my grandmother Geneva
which led to the Geneva treaties against
mental testing of prisioners of war but there
is no Law against domestic use Grandpa
never thought they would become corrupt
and use it in security devices at wallmart
airports on ellite goimg to stock markets
this is just the tip of the ice berg
the rich fly private they have phone not on the
frequency of the rest and so you see
but this is key go thru scanners fast
dont dont linger by check outs magnetic
if your ear gets hot on phone end the call
use speaker phone and text
cover your camera when not in use
yes they can have pictures of anything
the fiber optic grid now has eyes on ever street
to see when its cloudy all this is paid for by us
the people why do we allow it?
First day im president those scanners are getting
ripped out by people and they will pay people to be nice
and help those in need.
tsa is getting ended
the experation date on food will be moved
up one week the extra food will be
cooked by volunteers in buffet
so there will be no starving people and need for
food stamps if your hungry go eat
if you dont like a line then you wont go
theres many vacant building expecialy
down town that can easily serve as
places for the homeless and showers
with relativly little work
and tell me why the fire men sit all day
when theres always something to do
i see the homeless sit out here
get heat stroke and call ambulance to have a cool
place to sleep and food for a night
they never going to pay these guys call some once a week
the officers a jail arrest people for nothing
just to keep them full and seriously
this goverment is so far gone there is no hope
unless someone like me or jesse ventura cleans house the whole thing
and it start with getting all goverment
military contractors out and a couple good scientist
like mythbusters and a few others with my string theory
and develop the next generation of weapons
they can be done in like two weeks using
black hole technology and antigravity
change the power to free energy
which im very close im putting a bunch on
utube today
cletus.
eating uncooked oatmeal,
is little different chemically,
from eating cerial out of the box.
cooked oatmeal is disgusting.
but uncooked oatmeal,
is the least dis-agreeable food,
that is possible to eat.
you just soak it in cold water for 30 seconds,
chew on it a little,
and it is edible.
one mouth full worth of it,
gives you surprising amounts of energy.
because the carbohydrates burn for a very long time,
before being used up.
where the carbohydrates in most mainstream food,
burn up as quickly as a dry leaf,
and leave you hungry again.
the food addatives in most food,
have nasty effects,
on my body and mind.
but the oatmeals carbohydrates,
leave me feeling "clean" and un-disrupted.
you can get 2 pounds of oatmeal,
for about $2.
yet that 2 pounds of oatmeal,
can easily feed someone for more than a week.
if you semi-fast with it,
eating it sparsely,
than you could make that $2 last for 3 weeks or longer.
and that does not include the ecological convenience of oats.
such as how it will grow in colder/wetter climates,
and resists pests and rotting.
saying that oats were fit only for animals,
ranks as one of the top 12 dumbest things,
that humans ever did in the past.
give a bum a 2 pound can of oatmeal,
tell him how to eat it,
and he will not know hunger for at least half a month.
not counting his other food sources.
I will keep that in mind but not trying to
Get religous on you but do have a question
well two is there a food that does not absorb water
like what im saying is if you lived in the dessert
with no water what could you eat that would not dehydrate you
second is Jesus said if you have enough
faith you can tell the cow to not only prepare itself
but also prepare the meal and serve it and still
live now lots people try to say jesus used medaphore
but i dont beleive so i think he was serious
and included it several ways first
thing comes to mind is he mentions getting drunk on the blood
a lot in Bible I could see the cow still living
but not serving the meal or preparing it
so the next is cow shit now this is discusting
but a cow does prepare it and its served
is it eddible and how nutricious is it
and the next would be some pretty good science
maybee hes talking about the milk
but the science I think the cow could probly regrow one cut
of meat not shure which or how the cow would serve it
maybee its the cud cows chew there cud thats preparing the meal
and serving it huh you see how many ways God
makes one thing this is why religions fight
one thing to God is all ways humans seperate them
I liked the bit about raw oatmeal.Raw oatmeal contains mite eggs.Just like wheat bran.The mites don't really bother humans as they are plant mites.It still is a shock to see them hatch and to see them move as I once did.triffid
Well let me tell you what I said I
promised to take every dollar back from these dictators
and now i know why davinci had the key
tesla had it now me
tesla designed the ac edision designed the dc
but tesla fixed edisions designs and never got
paid so heres the secret to the 369
its produces power at 1000 times
tesla put us on a power grid of 3 prong
six coils and nine goes to the ground
60 hz plus the empty gaps =120
this is all power of 144,000
so we have a unlimited earth battery we charged
1000 times what we used over the last hundred
years it gets better tesla seperated the gaps in the motor
to seperate frequency in air
6+6 =12 so he fucked all the countries
not on 120/12 they didnt charge 1000 times over 100
years now were going to operate in 8 wich never loses power
so we essential now controll the world because we will have unlimited
free power very soon and no other country
will because there power battery is not charged
and the goverment cant uncharge it so
i essentialy unlocked and single handed
turned us into a rich nation over night well tesla set it up
Shouldnt mess with God or the guys with the keys
Which means you cant take out
our power and there screwed
now you see the power of the chief prince of meshech
Here is a paragraph from an article on what we could expect from a double dip
recession on JOBS:2. Unemployment
Unemployment would move back above 10% quickly. In the 1982 recession, the jobless rate was over 10% for 20 consecutive months and reached 10.8% for two months. During this period, the manufacturing base had not been destroyed. The economy is now arguably worse than it was in 1982. Many Americans who worked in manufacturing before the recession cannot be retrained, and the factories where they worked will not be reopened. Many companies have recently adopted the policy that they will keep as much of their work-force temporary for as long as possible. This keeps the cost of benefits low and allows firms to fire people quickly and without severance. A hiring strike by American businesses would contribute to putting 200,000 to 300,000 people out of work per month. At the peak of the recession that just ended, there were nearly six job seekers for every open job, according to the Labor Department. The job market could return to that point.
I am reminded that if you have a job you have no recession.If your job has not left you.You don't leave your job.During the recession of 1982 I was gainfully employed.Our hours went down to less than 40 (39.9)a week so I had no overtime for a couple of years but it was not a major concern.Most of the recessions in my life I did not even notice due to being gainfully employed.Since 1975 I have lived through 3 or 4. triffid
What the stock market could look like in a double dip recession.If the performance of the equity markets in 2008 and early 2009 is any indication, the S&P 500 would drop from its current level of about 1,100 to a low of 676, which it hit in March 2009. This would take trillions of dollars off business balance sheets and from consumer retirement and brokerage accounts. Businesses would become less likely to invest in new plants, equipment and services. For individuals, many would see a large part of their retirement disappear. That would cause a huge drop in consumer spending as people attempt to preserve cash, perpetuating further drops in the stock market
What this tells me is to hang on to my cash.Don't buy stocks right now.Cash is still king until the government makes it 100%worthless(When???).How would I know?
The same article tells us what would happen to banking in case of a double dip recession.The effect on most of the financial services industry would be catastrophic, particularly at the regional and community bank level where a number of home and commercial real estate loans are held. The FDIC would be forced to borrow money from the Treasury to cover bank closings. The number of failed banks could reach the level of the savings and loan crisis during which over 700 banks and mortgage lenders were shuttered
I lived through the Savings and loan crisis.It did not affect me very much.So I don't think more bank closings will affect me too badly.triffid
Just to make sure everyone is informed here. The U.S. Government passed a bill that says products from other countries no longer have to be identified as such. So, if your looking to buy Amercian, good luck with that. Since now we won't know where our products are actually coming from. My guess is that many people were trying to buy Amercian products and import sales dropped. So our Government made it more difficult for us to identify these imported goods at the point of purchase.
Trust mme we know there both shit try
passing a law that says if it dont last 100
years you cant sell it fuck make it two years
that be a miracle all the products are made the same shit
when the quality of the product is defind by its competetion
and the competition is defined by the price and volume
you will never have a standard for quality
without goverment and Goverment we all know is shit
so there you have it all the quality of the Goods suck
when the dollar declines then more people buy goods from us
making our factories our jobs build then
the newest technology can be built then crash the other countries
tell me how you trade stocks with no computers
and no cash
I tell you. You just eliminated the whole scandles
and all the fake wealth of people who think they own a part of a company
then try to fight over that company in court you be dead by time the courts are done
Quote from: cletushowell on August 16, 2010, 02:43:58 PM
...I tell you. You just eliminated the whole scandles
and all the fake wealth of people who think they own a part of a company
then try to fight over that company in court you be dead by time the courts are done
Yeah, I agree with practically everything you said.
Speaking of fake wealth, Obama's *stimulus* **package** has about run out, or will in due course, and he's got no more bullets in his economic *gun* to fire at the meltdown bubble.
Look at this:
http://www.housingpredictor.com/double-dip.html
http://www.itulip.com/housingbubblecorrection.htm
Even if the housing prices bottom out from falling further, unemployment, as well as increasing mortgage default rates---which are badly spooking Washington analysts now---will signal no end in sight.
If it isn't the former Gulf oil spill contributing to unemployment (it can, easily) then there's a potentially crazy maniac in N. Korea, earthquake survivors in Haiti,
newly disastrous flood survivors in Pakistan (fresh floods coming in a few days to 20,000,000+ victims), the euro zone financial uncertainty, and any/all other future, unknowable natural disasters.
People are getting scared and angry. But, cletushowell has a point in being down on the economy and the greed that caused it.
The ancient Roman Empire in the 5th Century experienced some of the same problems the world today is.
That collapse started the Dark Ages.
Now, people want to receive debt-loaded bailouts, but they want someone else to pay for it while they continue to spend freely with more debt of their own.
Nobody gets absolutely everything they want. Especially now. The bubbles are deflating.
REEDIT:Lastly, just in to me...
http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/110344/what-the-double-dip-recession-will-look-like
--Lee
Just a balanced budget, for 30 years, will pay off all U.S. debt, just like making a 30 year house note, the U.S., with balanced budgets, would pay off 30 year treasury bonds. Now, getting to a balanced budget, now that's where alot of us disagree?triffid
I just read a statement saying that 2027 is when all the ##&^ hits the fan.
If our course of action remains the same.Triffid
How can we double dip, when in actuallity, we still have negative growth?
Lets explain this as simply as possible.
If you have a net worth of $200,000.00, & you rack up $50k on a credit card, are you still worth $200k? No, any bank will tell you, you are now worth only $150K.
How then can our government in 2009, rack up $1.422 trillion on our credit card, & yet claim 3.5% growth? If you take our GDP of $14 trillion, divide it into the $1.422 trillion borrowed, it means 10.2% of GDP was borrowed money, artificially pumped into the economy. 3.5% - 10.2%, ='s a negative 6.7%. This money has to be paid back some day, so there are interest payments to be made (30 years of it), increasing that negative 6.7% into the future.
Hi America, what happens today teaches us a valuable lesson. NEVER let other people manage your money. ONLY YOU alone are allowed to do that. When people let the government and the bank take care of their money, they blew it. The big banks get bail outs while the small banks are forced to close or eaten up by the big banks, small businesses collapsed, jobs are lost while CEOs are paid indecently. Money put in 401(K) are toast as the stockmarket crashes. People cannot retire because they can't afford medical, their retirement funds toasted. Let's face it, only we can take care of ourself with wise money management. Its better to manage my own money than let other people do it. Look what they did due to greed. Good luck America and the world but don't give up. One day the sunshine will still come back. Hang on there! triffid
It may take 7 to 10 years for some people to recover.But the worse credit record has a federal statue of limitations and thats 7 years.No need to commit suicide over money problems.Fear less if you can.Some states don't require 7 years of waiting.okla(3) and texas(4).triffid
Avoid mutual funds.They use 6-grade math to decieve you.A mutual fund that claims 25% a year can double your money or reduce it to zero after 5 years.Using the same math you learned in 6-grade.A very great deception.I got talked into some mutual funds a couple of years back and have seen them fall in value by about 25%.Now they send me letters saying I need to increase the amount I have in there.No way I'm sending more.Triffid
What I have in there now could be zero in 5 more years.
Quote from: triffid on August 18, 2010, 02:03:51 PM
Now, getting to a balanced budget, now that's where alot of us disagree?triffid
Them? Congress?!?! They exist to perpetuate their perpetual existence. It would
solve problems to do things right and then they'd be out of a job! >:( :D ::) :P
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on August 18, 2010, 02:22:38 PM
How can we double dip, when in actuallity, we still have negative growth?
@triffid
With respect to your posted Reply #629, the computer simulations of interest payments usually causes system crashes that might even freeze a computer and force a hardware reboot about the years 2025-2040, depending on how inflation, employment, mortgage defaults, etc., etc. is figured.
The collapse occurs no matter what they try.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on August 18, 2010, 02:27:47 PM
Hi America, what happens today teaches us a valuable lesson. ...
I agree with about all you said, but one thing bothers me:
Some of the blame for the economy lies with average people "who wanted their cake and to eat it, too." They believed the lies they were told and didn't check into how good things really
weren't.
Some intelligent people on the streets know this economic truth, but they may be a victim of other people's decisions in Washington, as well as their own poor decisions, I realize. But, they're responsible for their own actions if they wanted something that they believed they could have in spite of past evidence to the contrary in the Great Depression.
Too many people don't ever learn, generation to generation. Otherwise, you're correct, IMO.
--Lee
By 1932, the Great Depression had spread across the globe. In the U.S., unemployment had reached 24.9%,[46] a drought persisted in the agricultural heartland, businesses and families defaulted on record numbers of loans, and more than 5,000 banks had failed.[47] Tens-of-thousands of Americans who found themselves homeless and began congregating in the numerous Hoovervilles (also known as shanty towns or tent cities) that had begun to appear across the country. The name 'Hooverville' was coined by their residents as a sign of their disappointment and frustration with the perceived lack of assistance from the federal government. In response, Hoover and the Congress approved the Federal Home Loan Bank Act, to spur new home construction, and reduce foreclosures. The plan seemed to work, as foreclosures dropped, but it was seen as too little, too late.
The above paragraph came from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover
It was war that brought the world out of the great depression.Not congress.Not the americans.God forbid we should give the germans credit for it.We do tend to blame them for starting the war.The german currency crashed to zero in the 1920's due to hyperinflation and in the 1940's when the german government debased their own currency after the war.Suicides happened as people realized their savings had vanished overnight.Thanks to their government.triffid
Whenever a profit is made where does the money come from that provides this profit. Lets not even get into people buying and selling money. Like a guy buys a loaf of bread and then sells the loaf of bread for more then he bought it for. Where is that extra money going to come from. It has to come from either printing more money or increasing this thing called debt. So either this debt conception grows or the money supply grows as long as we have profit. Its just the way it is. Manipulated recessions and depressions are the products of those that havent seen the light. As more people arrive on our planet there will be more demands for profit so the money supply and debt will need to increase. Its no big thing. Just print the fucking money and jot down the debt and lets get on with creation.
Quote from: triffid on August 19, 2010, 06:26:26 AM
It was war that brought the world out of the great depression.Not congress.Not the americans.God forbid we should give the germans credit for it.We do tend to blame them for starting the war.The german currency crashed to zero in the 1920's due to hyperinflation and in the 1940's when the german government debased their own currency after the war.Suicides happened as people realized their savings had vanished overnight.Thanks to their government.triffid
Go one step further. Could the depression have been mainipulated so as to percipitate a global conflict. Could this depression be manipulated to precipitate another global confict.
Quote from: sparks on August 19, 2010, 06:53:40 AM
Go one step further. Could the depression have been mainipulated so as to percipitate a global conflict. Could this depression be manipulated to precipitate another global confict.
With respect to Replies #'s 637-641,
I agree with most of your points. However, greed for it's own sake is self defeating. Nobody gets to have it all because they merely desire it. The "Collapse" will come because of it.
WWII did bring the world out of depression because people were jolted to action by impending Fascist death squads killing minorities in Europe and we would have been next. It may happen again if or when the Jihadis win in SW Asia. Then, they'll turn their attention to us.
The Feds had better get their act together like they did in WWII, or the Muslim extremists will do the same to us that the Fascists did to Jews in Europe.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on August 18, 2010, 02:32:29 PM
It may take 7 to 10 years for some people to recover.But the worse credit record has a federal statue of limitations and thats 7 years.No need to commit suicide over money problems.Fear less if you can.Some states don't require 7 years of waiting.okla(3) and texas(4).triffid
All this *recovery* could take longer than predicted?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/20/nearly-half-participants-obama-mortgage-aid-program-drop/?test=latestnews
The article above probably expounds upon known conditions to the financial industry.
Not only is the national refinancing effort falling short of goals, half the homeowners are walking away from their newly refinanced mortgages anyway---the reason being, according to at least a few analysts, is that it isn't worth the effort to pay for a house
that far "underwater."
This whole scenario goes on and on...
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 20, 2010, 10:41:00 PM
This whole scenario goes on and on...
http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/17/news/economy/cities_risk_double_dip/index.htm
This is additional information...
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/news/1008/gallery.early_social_social_security/index.html
I know what they're experiencing: I'm 60.
--Lee
If the United States or any other sluggish economy got off its ass and instead of creating a false economy based on profits earned buying and selling futures then their would be no problem. We had the last boom in the late nineties and early 2s because we were industrializing china. Now china is coming back to bite us in the ass as a competitor producing stuff we use to sell all over the world at reduced prices as they enslave their population. I am an electric motor tech. The motors I install on pumps are all made in china now. Corporations dont care who is making their profits whether it be a chineese guy or an American guy. They prefer the Chineese guy because his government could give a rats ass about his quality of life. The chineese people are idiots. I wouldnt leave a job in a rice paddie for a job in some sweatshop unless the government made me sell the rice paddies to them which appears to be their way of driving the farmers into the sweatshops. Do we need these industrial produced things that badly that we take an agrarian population and convert it into a industrial population. Who is going to feed all these new slaves. Some idiot once said that if you control a countries money you control the country. You control a countries ability to feed itself and you control the country. The US before World War II use to be the breadbasket of the world. Then industrialists seeing the power of the farmer started an outright war against them. These people are hell bent on depopulating the Earth one way or the other. Take Cuba for example or any other bannana republic. These populations have been reduced to agrarian slaves to feed industrialized populations. The food they produce is traded for cheap overpriced junk produced in industrialized nations. It is so transparent only someone with the awareness of a kid on a sugar rush would miss it. The haitian people wanted to rebel. Wanted a voice in their own future. Wanted to pursue a life of liberty and happiness.. What did they get. A UN peacekeeping force propping up some puppet government who were exploiting these people over badly and will continue to do so after the dust from the Earthquake settles. The exploitive we have a gun pointed at your head so get down and start doing our bidding have forced themselves into this type of behaviour from moving from subsistence into negativesistence farming. There only alternative is to rape and plunder other countries aka colonize. The British empire. Rape and plunder to feed the preferred population. The USA rape and plunder to feed the preferred population. The Japaneese rape and plunder to feed the preferred population. The germans rape and plunder to feed the preferred population. How many countries are moving from industrialized to Agrarian. Are there any advances in agrarian acreage. The second world war followed on the heels of a famine created by poor farming practices coupled with drought due to increased sunspot activity. You get starving people they will do most anything to survive. Including but not limited to killing other people.
H. L. Mencken wrote in The American Mercury for April 1924 that the aim of public education is not "to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence. ... Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim ... is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States."
Comment: The full passage reads: "The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever pretensions of politicians, pedagogues other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else."
A great reading for anyone who does not want to be a slave.http://www.sott.net/articles/show/212383-V...aduation-Speech
It is interesting that the so called “Captains of Industry†(also referred to as the “Robber Baronsâ€) all lacked formal education. Even Bill Gates was a drop out who never finished a degree, yet he too funds education. Andrew Carnegie, the steel magnate, never made it past third grade and others never finished grammar school. Yet, these were men who built major universities and constantly promoted the virtues of higher education. The traditional idea is that these men understood the advantages of being educated as opposed to their own experience of “learning the hard wayâ€. However, it is far more likely they realized that without conformity to a system, others would soon realize the very same thing about success they had and this knowledge would increase the competition. There is an ancient story about a child full of promise, so intelligent, that his parents and teachers encouraged him to take an equal interest in anything that caught his eye, whenever he showed he was attracted to it. Years later, after having tried a hundred different arts and all the customary roads to success, he was penniless and miserable; so he decided to take a job. He found himself in the office of a billionaire whom he soon saw was fairly stupid and capable of understanding only one idea at a time. ‘You can have the job’ said the billionaire. ‘Thank you’ replied the brilliant man, ‘but I would like to ask you just one question’. ‘And what is that?’ ‘I have read a great deal about you; how you understand everything you see, and how your extraordinary energy and wide interests have made you what you are. But I don’t find you to be like that at all. Furthermore, I have tried since I was a child to be like that and â€" look at me. ‘Don’t take it to hard son’ replied the tycoon; ‘but billionaires like me pay people to write things like that. First, it flatters us; secondly, it ensures us a good supply of labor like yourself, people who never made the grade.’
When I was in grade school I noticed people didn't like to think for themselves.I noticed people felt good to have others think for them.I thought I had done well.Two college degrees,a job most of the time.Now at age 58 I realize most of my life has been spent trapped in the financial myths that keep 90% of us broke.At age 35 I learned a few things but those things didn't take me far enough.I was not a millionaire in spite of the knowledge I gained at age 35.I have learned more at ages 56-58 but still not how to have a million dollars.At age 58 most employers will not hire me prefering not to hire anyone over 50.So they have thrown me away.Like a used napklin.
I have learned to use real estate as a way to gain wealth and that to avoid stocks,bonds and mutual funds altogether.Maybe by age 66 I will be a millionaire.For now I am retired and no longer need a JOB to survive.I am learning once again to do things at my own pace and to think for myself.
www.lifestylesunlimited.com will be my mentor.And I want to start their program in 2 and 1/2 years.triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 24, 2010, 11:26:08 AM
Comment: The full passage reads: "The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever pretensions of politicians, pedagogues other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else."
Yes, exactly. Another source of information I knew as a particular spiritual teacher said about the same thing: Education either wants to make people stupid and compliant, or else piss students off so much they become revolutionaries and end up in prison or dead (read: Symbionese Liberation Army; KKK; Weather Underground; Stormfront.org; etc).
All these agenda-obsessed nitwits will learn what a mistake it is to perform kow-tows before arrogant oligarchs.
REEDIT LATER:Back on topic,
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Home-sales-plunge-27-pct-to-apf-2949326144.html?x=0
As I said somewhere before,
"Double dip?" The "economic stimulus" only pumped up the deflating balloon 'bubble'. Now that the money's not there, the balloon continues to deflate. Double-dip, right?
--Lee
DJI is going down,down,down. I love it!!!!! You gotta love a home garden!! Fuckm they all deserve whats comn
Quote from: X00013 on August 25, 2010, 05:57:01 PM
DJI is going down,down,down. I love it!!!!! You gotta love a home garden!! Fuckm they all deserve whats comn
Very, good, x00013, but if you have a garden, then be prepared to defend it with your life when the economy crashes. That means a gun and ammo in large quantities. Someone hungry will see the garden unless you hide it, somehow.
--Lee
Quote from: X00013 on August 25, 2010, 05:57:01 PM
DJI is going down,down,down. I love it!!!!! You gotta love a home garden!! Fuckm they all deserve whats comn
Imagine if it went so low they had to close the whole thing down. Who would suffer. It is illegal to run a gaming operation unless licensed by the state. But you can gamble anywhere anytime with a number of different bookies who call themselves financial investment firms. Insurance companies are the biggest bookies around. They take your premium money pay as few claims as they can welch on as many as they can and play the stock market with the balance. Bush and Obama and their band of thieves took peoples hard earned money and gave it to underwriters. The underwriters couldnt pay the claims and still can not pay the claims on bad paper. Who gives a fuck how many underwriters go south. Who cares how many mortgage holders go south. If there isnt some bagman knocking on your door every month you could go out and spur an economy based on goods and services rendered for reasonable profit instead of slaving away for some debt salesman. I think it would be best if everybody just stopped paying any debt at all. This would bring such chaos to financial markets (yes they do buy and sell your contracts) that they would all fold. Every fucking last one of them. With nobody to support them they would join the unemployment ranks. Then their vast skills of bullshit peddling could be employed with speaking their bullshit to plants in the fields as they harvest crops for people that need food not debt. The bullshit would enhance the growth of the plant instead of the growth of the national debt. So if Obama wants to stimulate the economy just forgive all debt along with investment into infrastructure agriculture energy and transportation and stop giving our earnings away to thieves and murderers.
He wont though he is owned and operated. Fucking tool.
Quote from: sparks on August 25, 2010, 09:16:34 PM
Imagine if it went so low they had to close the whole thing down. ...
If people didn't have money, they'd be a whole lot less civilized than they are now. Think of the Wild West? Every man for himself.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 25, 2010, 09:11:52 PM
Very, good, x00013, but if you have a garden, then be prepared to defend it with your life when the economy crashes. That means a gun and ammo in large quantities. Someone hungry will see the garden unless you hide it, somehow.
--Lee
very, good, big minok, then x would have strange meat to go with those veggies... and it doesn't necessarily mean a gun, there are other ways to 'skin a snake'.
BigM
I thought x was talking about the Dow Jones Industrial Average. People will still have money if they have meaningful employment. The financial markets can crash and the guy trying to make a buck painting a house for a house that needs painting will get paid. The farmer will get paid for his crops. The truck driver will get paid for transporting the crops. The nurse will get paid for nursing etc etc. Why should someone get paid for gambling even when he loses.
Quote from: sparks on August 25, 2010, 09:40:36 PM
BigM
I thought x was talking about the Dow Jones Industrial Average. ...
He probably was.
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... People will still have money if they have meaningful employment. ...
Not if the economy totally crashes. No money at all. The same thing happened in Rome before the Dark Ages. German Teutonic barbarians sacked the city.
For the rest of your post: I agree in principle. However, barter will probably be all that's left unless there's widespread social chaos with bloodshed. Barter works on a small scale, which, hopefully, people will practice instead of killing each other.
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... Why should someone get paid for gambling even when he loses.
Gambling is a civilized pastime and a business, yes? When the economy crashes, it's all over for 'gambling.' Survival will be the only game in town that people will play.
--Lee
Quote from: sparks on August 25, 2010, 09:40:36 PM
BigM
I thought x was talking about the Dow Jones Industrial Average. People will still have money if they have meaningful employment. The financial markets can crash and the guy trying to make a buck painting a house for a house that needs painting will get paid. The farmer will get paid for his crops. The truck driver will get paid for transporting the crops. The nurse will get paid for nursing etc etc. Why should someone get paid for gambling even when he loses.
I am talking about the dow, when that dow guy needs a sandwich and cant plant a seed because hes so fuckn smart/stupid he/she deserves to die.
Have some fun, call your stock broker, tell them you want to buy rice.
Quote from: X00013 on August 26, 2010, 07:45:20 PM
I am talking about the dow, when that dow guy needs a sandwich and cant plant a seed because hes so fuckn smart/stupid he/she deserves to die.
Yeah, I think I see:
The 'yuppie' is caught up in his/her pursuit of the once-almighty $$$, and when they're gone, he/she doesn't know how to get by without modern comforts---like Starbucks, Wal-Mart, Kroger, Safeway, etc., etc., etc.
Right, x00013?
--Lee
I found this website on chemistry.Its a forum actually.This thread may not be the right one for it but I wanted to leave a link here somewhere. http://sciencemadness.org/talk/
I was in a bank (I like talking to the people that work there as opposed to dealing with a machine) and witnessed an economic disaster a spoiled brat and his escort were experiencing. The young man was on the phone to what I could make out was his father. His account was empty and he was in need of funds to do whatever he needed to do. He was trying to coerce his father into depositing funds into his account. The father from what I could make out was the administrator of a trust fund set up by grandpa for the benefit of his dna projections into the future. Daddy couldnt transfer any money to sonnys account because A. The trust had dried up. B. The old man emptied the trust account a long time ago. Well the kid is making a huge scene using 4 letter words and the ho he was with is just floating around the bank so you can tell she was pretty well acquainted with Sonny's way of supporting himself. The kid storms out of the place and jumps into his minny hummer with the usual display of footpedal power exiting the banklot. What job is that kid going to be able to perform. I have no idea what percentage of the wealthy are taking a tumble but the above problem is because for some reason we feel our descendants will get a boost in life from our accrued wealth. Grandpa would have done better service to his offspring by changing his wealth into dollar bills and burning them in front of Daddy so that daddy woudl get off his ass and do something besides being a consumer. This is not a typical sceanario in America. Most Americans work 50 hours a week not including the time travelling to and from work preparing to go to work repairing and maintaining the car that takes them to work and maybe getting a little time on a Sunday to do what they are into. Most of the time this is to sleep in a little because your so damned tired out from the rest of the week and spend some time with family and friends on a Sunday afternoon. Monday looms and its back to the grind.
By kid I assume a young 20 something?My dad always taught us by example.There was no family business but my dad held down jobs in his early years that he got laid off from.After about age 30 he didn't hold those jobs anymore.He got tired of being laid off(about 4 times).I learned from him.That I had to work for myself.No one was going to give me money.As a result I worked in jobs that I had to quit.I never got laid off.I did get fired twice but survived anyway.The bills still came in even if I was fired.The landlord still expected his rent.Etc.I learned to go back to work anyway.The people I owed money to still had faith in me even if my faith in me had been temporally shaken.triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 02, 2010, 07:16:44 AM
I found this website on chemistry.Its a forum actually.This thread may not be the right one for it but I wanted to leave a link here somewhere. http://sciencemadness.org/talk/
Riiiiiight!!!! Now you're talking my language. I did rocket fuel research on launch vehicles for decades until I switched to jets and naval architecture(ship engineering) to extend my mental interests further.
I do suppose there are conspiracy sites on the 'Web devoted to explosives handling and manufacture, but that's a really,
(really!) dangerous thing to get into. On the other hand, there are survival uses for this information. But, whoever does this: BE. CAREFUL.
On topic:http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/09/03/john-lott-economy-unemployment-milton-friedman-depression-paul-krugman-newt/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/opinion/18krugman.html?_r=2&hp
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/09/03/john-lott-economy-unemployment-milton-friedman-depression-paul-krugman-newt/
I say even if the government does anything, it won't help. To wit: The national debt load---including the potential $1,000,000,000,000 in "credit default 'swaps' "---
cannot be paid off unless we all lived to be 10,000 yrs old, or more.
--Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
grow your seeds, and hold arms.
in general http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnXh2kMb5iQ
Thank Earth some people still remember what America stands for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4UUJdckLwU
A free mind is a very powerful mind. It threatens those that seek to imprison the mind. A free mind can find its way to different states of awareness. When you become aware if you have the balls to you will sacrafice the comfort of being led to having to lead. Taking responsiblity for your life and not having to lay it at the door of others to make your life happen for you. It is a subtle war of wills that has been waged since man ate from the tree of knowlege. The gardener "nature" has this competition going for reality to be a product of competition and discourse over crumbs it steals from the lifeforce. The serpent was used by ancient mindfuckers because of the natural response of humans to dangerous poisonous snakes that cohabited trees with primeval man. A monkey sees a poisonous snake in a tree it communicates it to his family and friends so they dont get dead. They used images like the snake and a lush garden to conjure up some sort of guilt trip for the masses/ Dumb down folks. Dont want to be like Adam and Eve and think for yourselves. Do as the bilbe says to do. Do what God wants you to and that is above everything else is stay mindless. Run around like an animal just doing animal things because the God of Nature is the one and eternal god. Maybe round here in the world of the unaware this God of the garden of Eden reigns. This God who cares little about your mind and entraps your spirit in this form. Would I settle for eternal life being an animal. A mindless extension of a physical process whose only purpose is to perpectuate the games for the gardeners entertainment. Fuck no. Thanks gardener but no thanks.
@sparks
With respect to your Reply #669,
David Icke, the conspiracy author, says about the same thing you did; he just adds a personal God to the mix. Several other things along that line, too. On the other hand, I actually do agree with the premise of your post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
More on topic:
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/110581/5-doomsday-scenarios-for-the-us-economy
http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/109747/the-housing-market-recession-is-not-over?mod=realestate-buy
---Lee
Heres a website that talks about taking care of your tools.Something thats always useful to know.http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/article/0,,1552611,00.html?xid=yahoo-answers&partner=yes
More on the same.http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080722142403AA7KcO7
More about the USA money system.http://www.andygause.com/
Some details on the federal reserve.http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/testimony/1997/19970916.htm
If I go to a federal reserve bank and give them a bunch of federal reserve notes I can purchase a us treasruy note. This tbill is a form of money that is created by taxation of the countries citizens. The treasury department is obliged to payout in federal reserve notes upon surrender of the tbill. Since the federal reserve notes can be exchanged for tbills it is obviously a shell game where you have to try to figure out which shell has anything of value associated with it. The federal reserve puts its paper promissary notes into circulation by purchasing treasury notes. They are loosing interest in buying treasury notes because the American people now owe way more to the federal reserve than it can possibly make in 3 or 4 lifetimes never mind the interest the federal reserve system charges for doing nothing besides investing in the ability of the federal government to wrest wealth from its citizens. So instead they are all about seizing assets now. We need to have the elected officials print an exchange currency based directly on the GNp You can let the federal reserve print all the debt notes it wants. The new currency will be excluded from the purchase of investment instruments. It will be strictly seperated from glorified casino chips that our currency now consists of. You want to buy a home to live in fine. You want to buy a home and turn around and sell it for more then go play the bankers game. You work hard and save your real money and show the ability to purchase a better home or a boat or something then you are free to do so with real money. Not government issued casino chips.
Quote from: sparks on September 05, 2010, 01:44:47 PM
If I go to a federal reserve bank and give them a bunch of federal reserve notes I can purchase a us treasruy note. This tbill is a form of money that is created by taxation of the countries citizens. The treasury department is obliged to payout in federal reserve notes upon surrender of the tbill. ...
Okay, yeah, but that stops---and all other economic activity as well---when a run on the Federal Reserve and commercial banks ensues before the economy collapses, yes?
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Since the federal reserve notes can be exchanged for tbills it is obviously a shell game where you have to try to figure out which shell has anything of value associated with it. The federal reserve puts its paper promissary notes into circulation by purchasing treasury notes.
That would cause uncontrollable inflation, eventually, wouldn't it?
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So instead they are all about seizing assets now.
It's been like that for some time now.
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We need to have the elected officials print an exchange currency based directly on the GNp
The COLA (Cost of Living Allowance) for SSI/SSDI/Soc. Security was considered in the past to have been tied to the national inflation rate, but that provision was shelved awhile ago. People might have been able to live inside their means, then, as now, if they did?
--Lee
The purchase of Tbills by the federal reserve is a futures purchase. Their main assets besides the physical assets is tbills. These are promissary notes that state that the taxpayers of the United States will repay in goods and services and any other pursuit of happiness the feds can put their greedy lazy fucking hands on to the owner of the note. So this privatized corporation for the services rendered own you me our children and there children and there children. What service does the Federal Reserve provide besides run a check clearing house that is totally being obsoleted by electronic payment processing. What do these people do to allow them to enslave us and not only enslave us but for generations to come. They even turn a profit at being a clearinghouse. Woodrow Wilson was a tool a puppet. Who imposed the income tax and established the Federal Reserve all in one administration. What followed right after this. Wars stockmarket crashes inflation more wars more recessions more inflation. Your right an economic disaster is coming for the federal govenment. People will be forced to go underground more and more and more. The federal government wont have anybody left to tax because on paper no one will be working. There recourse will be to issue more tbills to the federal reserve in exchange for currency drops. Everyone knows that these bills are getting worthless so if the federal government wants to stay in tact it better just welch on the tbills. This makes the Federal Reserve Insolvent and it goes away. Start printing money directly tied to the GNP. The GNP to citizen ratio drops pull that much money out of circulation. The GNP increases add that much money into circulation. These are trade instruments not debt notes. Use seashells like the indiians did anything but green paper with pictures of politicians on it. If they dont what is going to happen is the US is going to blow up. And when the dust settles the corporations will move in and rebuild one nation under the net profit and loss statement. Why was it necessary to dump trillions of dollars into the banking system because the stockmarket crashed. It was necessary because ever since 911 the federal govenment was transferring into defense contractors hands huge amounts of taxpayers futures. This money was not being put back into circulation in the United States. It didnt trickle down it gushed out. The stockholders of the defense contractors are not really interested in how poor the United States gets it is more interested in how fast will their economy bust.
........and then the end will come....
:o
J.
I can see it now. It will be hows the weather down in Raytheon son. Not bad Dad but I heard there was an earthquake out in Lockheed. Well your sister is getting transferred from Verizon to McDonalds in a prisoner swap. Seems like change of duty gets more bang out of a worker for the buck invested keeping it alive. Well your mother says hello I think. My control chip is getting kind of blinky these days and Im not sure what program they are letting through so it could be your mother or that damn trojan horse virus that started in ATT land last month.
@sparks
Regarding your posted Reply #679,
Who are you writing to? You're not quoting anyone in your post.
--Lee
I was responding to Truth be Knowns comment.
I have a garden, and I cant say enuff about the auto shotgun, hence lmao to see the gun kick ass for the first time in a movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEnjx2GiXE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c
I keep hearing about getting a gun and get ammo for it.To protect your food and your property.I was a junior member of the NRA for two months in high school back in the 60's.They taught us mostly about gun safety and how to aim.I learned too you never,never aim at a human.Keep the gun aimed down at the ground all the time.In case of accidential discharge.In the Hoover towns in the early 1930's people chose to live in tents and help each other and not use guns to take what they needed or wanted(not the majority anyway).I would hope if it came to putting the metal to the petal.That people would focus more on helping each other than on using guns to take what you needed.triffid
I'm not against guns,Just against using them on people.I prefer to be asked for help and not robbed at gunpoint.triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 13, 2010, 01:44:13 AM
I'm not against guns,Just against using them on people.I prefer to be asked for help and not robbed at gunpoint.triffid
It will be very interesting to see how people treat one another when we have a devastating earthquake in the USA soon.
J. :o
Quote from: X00013 on September 11, 2010, 09:38:47 PM
I have a garden, and I cant say enuff about the auto shotgun, hence lmao to see the gun kick ass for the first time in a movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEnjx2GiXE
There's also a semi-auto, drum-fed one in the movie,
"Machete."You're right, it was *devastating* in the movie. The recoil kick should have been awesome.
Terrific self defense weapon against
"Night of the Living Dead" assailants, if it's
legal in your locality?
--Lee
The goverment can only do so much to hold jobs for it's people but the people have to buy and shop at the stores that have american made and shop at the mom-pop stores, no-one is talking about living in the past, but by trying to live high on the hog and buying everything dirt cheap, has caught up with us, and now we are blaming our President for not putting us all to work this very minute, all Presidents try no matter who they are or party affiliation to keep the american people working but we must help by buying the things that we need that are american made. triffid
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The goverment can only do so much to hold jobs for it's people but the people have to buy and shop at the stores that have american made ...
I was thinking of that while doing engineering research. I'd like to concentrate on American manufacturers(naval engineering diesel suppliers) but foreign companies have bigger, more efficient engines(Wartsila marine diesels in Finland). American Catepillar diesels comes closest. GE LM6000+ gensets are adequate.
(I'm researching the design of more capable warships to tolerate missile battle damage from Russian antishipping missiles.)
But, you have a point if you imply, or state outright(?), Americans need to become more self sufficient in products they can make themselves and not depend on foreigners for what they want to buy.
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... and shop at the mom-pop stores, no-one is talking about living in the past, but by trying to live high on the hog and buying everything dirt cheap, has caught up with us, ...
Ah, the American dream! Everything for
ME NOW! and keep up with the Joneses next door! I'm smart enough to know that won't last forever. Greed is it's own reward/punshiment.
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... and now we are blaming our President for not putting us all to work this very minute, all Presidents try no matter who they are or party affiliation to keep the american people working but we must help by buying the things that we need that are american made. triffid
Very good. My point above exactly.
When people realize the party is ending soon, and they have no money to throw around on unnecessary things, they'll be a lot less civilized and law-abiding if they're scared to death of starving.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 16, 2010, 08:10:18 PM
When people realize the party is ending soon, and they have no money to throw around on unnecessary things, they'll be a lot less civilized and law-abiding if they're scared to death of starving.
The money in housing market is more precarious and less plentiful than many believe:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/08/31/data-suggests-imminent-spike-in-foreclosures/
I recall a few days ago that a financial reporter on a news program said that 5,000,000+ American households are in default
right now, and the banks are simply allowing the homeowners to ignore monthly payments---which the banks are eating in lost profits. (Not good for their bottom line.)
If the banks called in the foreclosures at once(
not likely at all!), the housing market would collapse.
That's what the reporter said and I agree. As it is, house prices are forecast to continue falling for at least 2 more fiscal quarters in Western states and Florida in particular.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 17, 2010, 09:58:10 PM
The money in housing market is more precarious and less plentiful than many believe:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/08/31/data-suggests-imminent-spike-in-foreclosures/
I recall a few days ago that a financial reporter on a news program said that 5,000,000+ American households are in default right now, and the banks are simply allowing the homeowners to ignore monthly payments---which the banks are eating in lost profits. (Not good for their bottom line.)
If the banks called in the foreclosures at once(not likely at all!), the housing market would collapse.
That's what the reporter said and I agree. As it is, house prices are forecast to continue falling for at least 2 more fiscal quarters in Western states and Florida in particular.
--Lee
So the question may be asked.....Is anything positive going to come from all of this that is happening?
:)
J.
One of the reasons I'm not buying houses is that I believe the bottom to the housing market has not been reached.I'm content to wait another two years then start buying again.
The news is positive only if you intend to buy houses later.triffid
Maybe we all need to start growing our own food as much as possible.
Well, back to the Farm...
J. ;)
I believe with you that people growing more food wherever they live is a good solution.I heard of one family in calif raising chickens in their back yard plus they had every square inch of their paid for house growing food that they could eat or sell/Their driveway was filled with crops.They used to be the weird people in the neighborhood but they made the news one night when I was watching.Two years ago what they were doing made a lot of sense to their neighbors.triffid
1. Scam artist, adept at taking the savings from old folks, or in the corporate world adept at securing government payouts and pocketing them without delivering on what you got the funds for in the first place.
2. Organized theft project manager - able to create massive disturbances in the poor parts of town to occupy all legal agencies, then mobilizing large numbers in the rich parts of town to steal everything from the houses of the politicians and CEOs, who will be the only ones left with anything to steal.
1 and 2 are professions growing in this country
When you start seeing the wealthy fleeing our country to keep from getting abducted/rolled/killed you will know we are at the end. Within 30 to 40 years the United States will be just like Mexico is now. Our population will be mostly hispanic in origin within 20 years.
This is the fault of our leadership, corporate and political, all parties, across the board, who are more interested in lining their pockets and taking care of themselves and their cronies than they are with the well being of the general population and the fabric of the country. History books will note that America as we knew it lasted about 300 years before crumbling like the Roman empire, the French aristocracy, and the Russian Tsars before them.
However, if every incumbent now in power is voted out starting in the upcoming election and for the next few years, and IF the voting public demands a COMPLETE change in how EVERYTHING political and corporate is done now as well as demanding that america become like other countries as respects border and immigrant control, import tariffs, etc. are done, there MAY be time to cure the malignancy which has metasized in our country.
Quote from: truthbeknown on September 17, 2010, 11:40:24 PM
So the question may be asked.....Is anything positive going to come from all of this that is happening?
:)
J.
Well, no, as triffid and I have implied in our posts, the economy will collapse, and no one person has anything to do with it. This has happened for all of recorded history in a cyclic pattern.
truthbeknown, Reply # 694 said:
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Maybe we all need to start growing our own food as much as possible.
Well, back to the Farm...
J. ;)
triffid basically agreed in the next Post, #695.
I believe I said something similar to what the two above said awhile ago, and it was probably on this thread. And, I agree. San Franciscans are beginning to turn small urban parks into large gardens with The City's approval. So, they all have a point.
@triffid
In regard to your post #697, it's excellent. But, I'd say we don't have 20-40 years for all that to happen. People are becoming furious as we write all this on this thread. It's mostly the "politics as usual", which raises Americans' anger. Deservedly so. Do I recommend anything to do as a remedy?
No. Whatever I do can be changed or discredited by someone else.
Anything I, or anyone else, does. That's why I don't get up in caught the world's
"mishegas." (mee-sha-gaas) (
Yiddish for "crazy", "eccentric")
As I think I said before, I'll wait and see what happens; trusting my luck all the while.
*Lee picks up his soda; asks for the popcorn bucket, "please"*
--Lee
Successful daytrading relies on other's dependencies and disasters. ;D
Another delightful conclusion.http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/us-government-hiding-true-amount-of-debt/story-e6frfkur-1225926567256
I don't if you guys saw the same news I saw yesterday but 6 city council members of Bell,Calif were arrested for misuse of public funds.It seemed that they are guilty of giving themselves insane raises for doing a part time job.4 of the 6 gave themselves at least $100,000 a year salary.The worst offender gave himself something like $750,000 last year.Just think what would happen if members of congress started being arrested for misuse of the public's money!
triffid
Of course the Bell,Calif city council keep raising the taxes on everyone else there.triffid
Sorry,My mistake 8 were arrested,not 6.here is a link to the story.http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/21/california.bell.arrests/index.html?section=cnn_latest triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 22, 2010, 05:50:37 AM
Another delightful conclusion.http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/us-government-hiding-true-amount-of-debt/story-e6frfkur-1225926567256
And I agree with the article. Credit default swap "derivatives" amounted to $1,000,000,000,000 when they were brought to the attention of the Govt and public, and they're still being sold! There's a lot of incentive to continue business as usual, and money is the reason.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on September 22, 2010, 05:58:30 AM
I don't if you guys saw the same news I saw yesterday but 6 city council members of Bell,Calif were arrested for misuse of public funds.It seemed that they are guilty of giving themselves insane raises for doing a part time job.4 of the 6 gave themselves at least $100,000 a year salary.The worst offender gave himself something like $750,000 last year.
They also deliberately raised property taxes to finance this "Ponzi scheme". I wouldn't be surprised of the perpetrators die before their time.
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Just think what would happen if members of congress started being arrested for misuse of the public's money!
Unfortunately!! they make the laws and can exempt themselves from what they want to do to other people. However, they need the armed forces behind them to make it stick and hold. We'll see if that happens in the future. The public outnumbers and outguns the politicians.
--Lee
More bad news.There are 16 parts to this series.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8df9-oADP_c&feature=related
economic disaster?
surely.
EU currently being destroyed. This will expand beyond EU soon.
After this there will be further 'reorganizations' of wealth.
You will see as economic crashes. The media will go wild.
Bottom Line = attempt at world system
Result = failure. Why? Rebols to true system will always FAIL.
By 2028, assuming 1 is still alive, all bad systems gone.
Just rule will preside.
So as for current systems... Kiss them all goodbye and their masters.
2028.
Quote from: MW383 on September 23, 2010, 09:14:00 PM
economic disaster?
surely. ...
I agree with all but your time frame, that's all. I say it'll be a lot worse than your description and a lot sooner.
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... EU currently being destroyed. This will expand beyond EU soon. ...
Yep. Exactly. Greece is at the top of the list. Ireland is next. Other Europeans are already requiring higher interest rates for bonds sold to these countries---and it's useless anyway: They very likely can't pay them off. And that's
with the Europeans actually
trying to do something constructive by lowering sovereign Gov't spending. Their constituent populations sometimes object strenuously to the austerity measures. Ultimately, they'll fail. So, you're right.
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... After this there will be further 'reorganizations' of wealth.
You will see as economic crashes. The media will go wild.
Bottom Line = attempt at world system
Result = failure. ...
That's fine, as long as someone survives. I rather believe there'll be "blood in the streets" in Asian countries when people see they have no future compared to what they had in the past. They'll turn into raging mobs like in the
"Resident Evil" series of movies. They just won't be zombies; they'll be real people. Then they'll be dead. Except those who can live in the wilderness.
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... Why? Rebols to true system will always FAIL.
By 2028, assuming 1 is still alive, all bad systems gone.
Just rule will preside. ...
As in Second Coming? I don't quite follow the last sentence. I do have my own religious beliefs in that regard(Messiah), but I usually don't discuss them unless having someone bring it up.
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So as for current systems... Kiss them all goodbye and their masters.
2028.
They'll be gone, you're right. Precisely. I'll be 79 by then. If I'm still alive. If what I say happens actually does, I'd head for the mountains rather than die in a city.
I say it'll happen a lot sooner.
--Lee
I didnot think the recession had ended.Heres some words on it from a rich guy.http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100923/bs_nm/us_buffett_recession;_ylt=ArSSkniXGfrzQPA_DFnEUCNg.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1c2EzMTNuBHBvcwMyBHNlYwN5bi1jaGFubmVsBHNsawN3YXJyZW5idWZmZXQ-
Lee,
Yes, will be much worse than my simple statements. Economic problems only part of the overall breakdown/destruction phase. You obviously already know this. The process already unfolding all around us. It takes a different viewpoint to see beyond what information the powers spoon feed people through controlled channels. Much background reorganization proceeding. Soon things will be in the foreground and everyone will know it. Again, it looks like you are already onboard here.
It is 'religion' (I do not like this word by the way) and it is no casual subject with me. There is only 1 correct system and it goes strictly by the 'Book'; zero deviations, not a single one, never or ever. So I tend to shy away from the 'religion' word because it implies world based ideology. This correct system exists today, by the way, because it was started a time ago and was said to not end from that point forward. So a person has that going for them provided they find it and learn it.
Regarding 2028; bad phase complete, correct system running things. 2010-2019 probably not a good time to live. Survivors? Yes, and probably not many. Rotten people as part of the survivor group? I doubt it. 2012 = end? No, it is more likely that the rebol bums will make some kind of a move. They are locked into wrong calendar system (solar), thus 2012 important to them.
Keep an eye out for a couple of guys operating out of Jerusalem soon. It is only after they complete their mission, that the total 'show' can go on and this isn't the kind of show many will like. You seem to know this story so I will not repeat.
Quote from: MW383 on September 24, 2010, 12:16:54 PM
Lee,
Yes, will be much worse than my simple statements. Economic problems only part of the overall breakdown/destruction phase. You obviously already know this. The process already unfolding all around us. ...
Indeed, I do and it is.
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... It takes a different viewpoint to see beyond what information the powers spoon feed people through controlled channels. ...
I agree. I'm just not so stupid as to believe it.
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... Much background reorganization proceeding. ...
Oh, yeah. I try to 'read between the lines', as it were, but you're right.
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... Soon things will be in the foreground and everyone will know it. Again, it looks like you are already onboard here. ...
Yiddish saying:
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... It is 'religion' (I do not like this word by the way) and it is no casual subject with me. There is only 1 correct system and it goes strictly by the 'Book'; zero deviations, not a single one, never or ever. ...
Well, I'm
not an Orthodox Jew, so I don't even take a literal interpretation of the Torah. There is only
one version of the Torah, however. I do like that, but I still have a few logical objections to some language in the Torah. That's my take on the subject, as perceived from my life experiences.
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... So I tend to shy away from the 'religion' word because it implies world based ideology. ...
I resigned from my synagogue because I didn't necessarily want to follow the "followers of the followers". Any man can lie or be delusional, so I read the words and take responsibility for their interpretation by me.
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... This correct system exists today, by the way, because it was started a time ago and was said to not end from that point forward. So a person has that going for them provided they find it and learn it. ...
I agree in principle. The Mayans said the same thing. A new beginning in 2012 and I agree with that.
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... Regarding 2028; bad phase complete, correct system running things. 2010-2019 probably not a good time to live. Survivors? Yes, and probably not many. Rotten people as part of the survivor group? I doubt it. ...
Yeah, true. Depends of the free will of people, though. The future isn't a concrete reality; it can change.
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... 2012 = end? No, it is more likely that the rebol bums will make some kind of a move. They are locked into wrong calendar system (solar), thus 2012 important to them. ...
Well, some are continuing their habitual patterns. If they don't change to a new paradigm, they'll suffer.
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... Keep an eye out for a couple of guys operating out of Jerusalem soon. It is only after they complete their mission, that the total 'show' can go on and this isn't the kind of show many will like. ...
I don't know who these two are. I don't take religious prophesy seriously and my reason is given below.
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... You seem to know this story so I will not repeat.
I'm a descendant of Native American shamans and I had to learn this all by myself though mental ability alone. My ancestors forgot until I remembered, which takes a certain amount of shamanistic talent.
My Path to the
"Top Of The Mountain" is different than for just about anyone else. That's not bad, however. Just different. My story is unique to me, so at some point, the English language fails in descriptive attributes. For that reason, I won't go further.
But, I read obvious intelligence in your words and I respectively compliment you for that. Allow me to encourage you, and all others who read this to do what it takes to survive, just short of despicable acts. Everyone has the right to defend themselves against aggression.
Just do the best you can;
be the best you can in your perception of right and wrong, and in the end, you should have nothing to be ashamed about and everything to be proud of
that you did well.L'Shalom ("To Peace", a salutation)
--Lee
sell gold on nov1!! get gold for your sale. dont take paper money. buy a gun and use it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3i1HXZ6WLg
i report 4 u all, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZjf9C6atT4&feature=related
i dont lie
I found this article.On germany before WW2.http://www.rense.com/general92/dirty.htm
Another bad idea, http://www.rense.com/general92/bill.htm
http://www.rense.com/PopulationControl.pdf a brief history of population control,triffid
http://www.kitco.com/ind/Turk/turk_sep202010.html
They are Printing too Much Money
Quote from: triffid on September 25, 2010, 11:38:54 AM
http://www.kitco.com/ind/Turk/turk_sep202010.html
They are Printing too Much Money
Right. They certainly are. This is another piece of the puzzle:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/24/news/economy/Mortgage_modifications_redefaults/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin
--Lee
Quote from: X00013 on September 24, 2010, 04:48:22 PM
sell gold on nov1!! get gold for your sale. dont take paper money. buy a gun and use it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3i1HXZ6WLg
Okay, maybe you're right:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Home-prices-to-take-hit-next-apf-59620238.html?x=0
This doesn't look good.
Lots of people are on the edge of an economic cliff, effectively *thousands of feet high.*
The ripple effect to the overall economy could be enormous in the prices *falling*.
--Lee
triffid said:
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http://www.kitco.com/ind/Turk/turk_sep202010.html
They are Printing too Much Money
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 25, 2010, 11:43:06 PM
Right. They certainly are. This is another piece of the puzzle:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/24/news/economy/Mortgage_modifications_redefaults/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Home-prices-to-take-hit-next-apf-59620238.html?x=0
This doesn't look good.
Lots of people are on the edge of an economic cliff, effectively *thousands of feet high.*
The ripple effect to the overall economy could be enormous in the prices *falling*.
--Lee
LATEST INFO:
http://www.businessinsider.com/european-riot-10-of-the-population-goes-on-strike-in-brussels-2010-9
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1269734/Greece-debt-crisis-Austerity-measures-spark-riots-wont-shock-UK-workers.html
There are several other articles to cite, but you see my point?
Nobody gets it all their way all the time. They don't want to see it that way, either.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9795.0
Why do the "lurkers" act the way they do? Both they and the typical citizen are greedy and the "lurkers" take advantage of that. They don't give a d@mn about anyone but themselves.
And the economy
will collapse because of both the "lurker's" and people's natural greed, which is human nature. I'm not so great, myself. But I'm not stupid, either. I simply won't give that argument the religious connotations that any belief system deserves. Most people don't change unless forced to, and they fight like hell when they do.
It's. Going. To. Get.
A. Whole. Lot. Worse.
--Lee
Just another example of how badly the little guy is treated.New yorkers treated like rats in a laboratory experiment!Shame on them! http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/30/2010-09-30_officials_slam_callous_dept_of_homeless_services_program_that_uses_200_families_.html
Its no wonder people want to arm themselves.
Quote from: triffid on September 30, 2010, 11:16:43 PM
Just another example of how badly the little guy is treated.New yorkers treated like rats in a laboratory experiment!Shame on them! http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/30/2010-09-30_officials_slam_callous_dept_of_homeless_services_program_that_uses_200_families_.html
Its no wonder people want to arm themselves.
Riiiiiiiiight!!!!
In San Francisco, the cops
want to get rid a homeless outreach seminar promoted by the mayor to
help the drunks and addicts, but the cops want it moved out of Golden Gate Park because they
want to arrest the homeless. Something about 'public nuisance'.
"Ya can't win for losin'!!"--Lee
Heres a ray of hope for electric cars.$6500 for the kit and its uses some solar power too! http://www.sunnev.com/
25 mph with a 30 mile range
The oil companies would freak if people bought these by the thousands.triffid
http://www.sunnev.com/
Quote from: triffid on October 02, 2010, 10:28:13 AM
The oil companies would freak if people bought these by the thousands.triffid
http://www.sunnev.com/
i don't think so. 25 mph and 30 mile range. not to mention that it won't pass safety standards.
its a home made gulf cart, might be ok in a gated community.
kits to convert almost any car to electric have been around for many years.
fritznien
Its one of the most practical solar powered cars that I have seen.Its a start in one of the right directions.triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 02, 2010, 10:08:53 PM
Its one of the most practical solar powered cars that I have seen.Its a start in one of the right directions.triffid
@all
I remember seeing a few years ago that a
really old man, with 60-70 years in electric motor technology, was becoming senile in his old age.
His niece suggested that he build an electric car to keep his mind sharp and occupied. He was skeptical: "I don't know anything about cars."
She had a response: "But, you
do know about electric motors. Build me an electric car."
"Okay."
This guy was such an expert, a younger man asked to be his apprentice, so the technology wouldn't be forgotten when the old man finally died.
That's my point.
Big companies won't listen to great tinkerers like the older Members and the avid hobbyists on OU.com
@triffid
The car is an adequate start, I agree. But, it's an expensive experimental device. Backfit and refit kits are available to compete with it. Both concepts are valid.
NEWS NOTE:A TV financial analyst announced on a news program that 20% of American households at risk of being foreclosed upon in a few months.
It's worse:
Adjustable rate mortgages are resetting at higher and higher rates, in an ongoing process.
This is potentially dire.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Foreclosure-freeze-could-apf-3924319053.html?x=0
--Lee
P.S.
I haven't been able to log onto OU for several days. Honest.
Did anyone else have that problem?
The error message implied "too much incoming blog traffic. System was overloaded--Forbidden."
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on October 11, 2010, 03:26:22 PM
@all
NEWS NOTE:
A TV financial analyst announced on a news program that 20% of American households at risk of being foreclosed upon in a few months.
It's worse:
Adjustable rate mortgages are resetting at higher and higher rates, in an ongoing process.
This is potentially dire.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Foreclosure-freeze-could-apf-3924319053.html?x=0
http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/111040/from-a-maine-house-a-national-foreclosure-freeze?mod=realestate-buy
This is the one that started it all?
1/3 of all existing home sales are distressed/short sold/repossessed houses. This is bad.
Las Vegas could be down in home prices for years. And years.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on October 15, 2010, 05:40:15 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/111040/from-a-maine-house-a-national-foreclosure-freeze?mod=realestate-buy
This is the one that started it all?
1/3 of all existing home sales are distressed/short sold/repossessed houses. This is bad.
Las Vegas could be down in home prices for years. And years.
Is there a solution?
http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Marshall-Plan-America-Housing/2010/10/29/id/375327
Everyone in this article will need to sacrifice, but
will they???The last paragraph in the article indicates the Gov't seems to be un-representative to the people. They will probably be required to make political sacrifices as well.
But will they?!?!?!--Lee
Big M:
If 2/3 of the people in this country stand up and "DEMAND" it, they have no other
alternative. Bring the assholes to trial, if they stand in the way, take them too. Force
tight regulations on banking practice and keep it in line.
Now just to get them to move. Hmmmmm.
thay
Quote from: Thaelin on October 30, 2010, 11:36:57 PM
Big M:
If 2/3 of the people in this country stand up and "DEMAND" it, they have no other
alternative. Bring the assholes to trial, if they stand in the way, take them too. Force
tight regulations on banking practice and keep it in line.
Right. You have a strong point in that regard. That was actually done---after the Great Depression. More than that: Regulations against derivative trading were relaxed or eliminated after they were instituted in the (60's or 70's??). Now the "Credit Default Swaps" are worth more than $1,000,000,000,000,000 !!!!!!!! Not kidding!!!!! There's a strong monetary incentive to continue selling derivatives.
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Now just to get them to move. Hmmmmm.
thay
They're outnumbered, it's true. But they have the laws and guns on their side. They'll also do anything to hold onto what they have now. A
Banzai! charge may be the only thing that will convince then people are serious about starving to death because of them.
--Lee
In the last two or three days the media have been reporting that food prices will keep getting higher.Now is the time to build up some stores of food.Canned goods are always good except for cranberry sauce.Canned goods can last 35 years but cranberries only one year.triffid
After Pearl harbour bombing by the japanese in 1941 concentration camps (10 of them for about 120000 japanese americans were set up).So from 1942 until the war was over America had placed 120000 of its own citizens behind barbed wire and guns.It could happen again.triffid
The only thing they had done wrong was to be born with the face of the enemy.triffid
True statement triffid. The economic disaster that took place in 2008, millions of us are still feeling the effects. If everyone thinks that was bad, just wait for 2011. After everyone is in worse dire straits from all the extortion fees (TAXES) imposed on us next year, then in 2012, enter stage "Right" and stage "Left", a hand full of political figure heads riding white horses who claim to have the "answer" for every ones dilemma. More than likely, the biggest part of the "answer" will be the announcement of the "New World Order".
The first time I heard about the New World Order was from George H. Bush in a 1992 speech. December 2009, I heard Obama state in a speech, "Hopefully, by next year we will have the stipulations in place for the New World Order."
Wait, the Bushes are Republicans! Obama is a Democrat! What the.....
After the two parties get done pointing fingers and throwing slanderous accusations at each other on TV, they go have a drink, play a round of golf, and compare portfolios.
I was 13 yrs. old when Watergate took place in 1972. I was shocked because these people were leaders of this country! I made it a point to pay attention to the political world since then, and it saddens me to have witnessed a steady decline in the fortitude and integrity of our governmental administration.
Quote from: triffid on November 06, 2010, 12:34:20 AM
In the last two or three days the media have been reporting that food prices will keep getting higher.
Absolutely. No two ways about it. And I'm not getting a COLA(Cost_of_Living_Allowance) from Social Security, this year or next. No one is!?!?!
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Now is the time to build up some stores of food.Canned goods are always good except for cranberry sauce.Canned goods can last 35 years but cranberries only one year.triffid
Got you covered on that one. Every intelligent OU Member should be doing the same thing, but
quietly. Mormons like to advertise they stockpile food. Hungry mobs could storm their houses?!?!
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on November 06, 2010, 12:49:03 AM
After Pearl harbour bombing by the japanese in 1941 concentration camps (10 of them for about 120000 japanese americans were set up).So from 1942 until the war was over America had placed 120000 of its own citizens behind barbed wire and guns.It could happen again.triffid
The same thing happened in Eastern Europe during WWII. You still have a point, I agree.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on November 06, 2010, 12:51:47 AM
The only thing they had done wrong was to be born with the face of the enemy.triffid
As I said, Eastern Europe in WWII. Even the Nazi were and the Al-Qaeda extremists are all descendants of Abraham. And they point fingers!?!?
They're Apocaypce-lovers and
The Collapse could be caused by them if they do enough harm to SW Asia. There
are enough volunteers amongst their populations to do the job.
--Lee
@screaminvern
With respect to your whole post, Reply #733, pg. 49,
Exactly. You're a newbie, but not as poorly opinionated or as delusional as a few around here.
What do you know about electronics? Lots of threads to look at.
--Lee
A lot of the japanese americans were native born americans who were stripped of their freedoms and property due to some bigwig in washington DC.I will never trust government.A lot of the JA were born in this country and that did not matter one bit.They all had the face of the enemy.Too bad they were forced out of their homes and businesses.Too bad when the war ended they were forced to move again out into an america that hated japs.The ones who tried to go home found other people on their properties and hatred there too.
Most ended up going east when the west coast had been their original home.
triffid said:
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A lot of the japanese americans were native born americans who were stripped of their freedoms
Yeah, I know. You're talking to the choir on that one.
I'm Native American and Viet Nam Era vet. Politics!!!!!! I can't say anything good about the subject of politics.
On topic:
Glen Beck's conservative TV cable show a few days ago had 2 interviewed guests who wrote books that had the gist:
The Chinese will either: 1) stop buying our debt or 2) Demand payment at once --- maybe some combination of both??
After two weeks, it's pandemonium in the economy and
possibly?!?! widespread social unrest in many large cities. Everywhere.
Collapse after that??
Another source of information. I'm not the only one saying it.
RE_EDIT:More on a slightly different subject:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/29/news/economy/quantitative_easing_liquidity_trap/index.htm
http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/05/news/economy/Fed_quantitative_easing/index.htm
--Lee
Have you noticed the price per oz of silver is jumping up there now?$27.12 per oz now.Back in april it was around $17.5 an oz.
Time to hone all the repair skills you can.I just fixed an old hotplate today.It works so I'm talking about it.triffid
Quote from: triffid on November 09, 2010, 03:46:52 PM
Have you noticed the price per oz of silver is jumping up there now?$27.12 per oz now.Back in april it was around $17.5 an oz.
Gold is doing the same, isn't it? But, as I may have said somewhere before,
"You can't eat a gold piece." Try stockpiling cans of food, gun/ammo, soap, salt, tools, medicine, etc.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on November 09, 2010, 03:50:05 PM
Time to hone all the repair skills you can.I just fixed an old hotplate today.It works so I'm talking about it.triffid
Right. Collect tools, a gun & ammo, food, medicine etc. Hide these if possible.
--Lee
I watched a NOVA tv show on "Dogs Decoded".It seems that dogowners live longer than those without dogs.Maybe we need hunting dogs to help us survive whatever comes?triffid
Need a used truck and a gun?Need an ak47? Get a free ak47 when you buy your truck.I was surprised that the dealership was not located in Washington DC but its in Fla.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101115/ap_on_fe_st/us_odd_truck_dealer_free_guns triffid
Quote from: triffid on November 15, 2010, 06:41:15 AM
Need a used truck and a gun?Need an ak47? Get a free ak47 when you buy your truck.I was surprised that the dealership was not located in Washington DC but its in Fla.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101115/ap_on_fe_st/us_odd_truck_dealer_free_guns triffid
Yeah, I heard of that, too. At least the single shot
(?) AK-47's are legal.
I believe.Got to go now. They're closing this lab for a special class.
OKAY, LATER RE_EDIT:They kind of cater to the lunatic fringe---revolutionary/anarchist, don't they? Well, the Feds may have something to say about that eventually.
On topic:This plan for the Gov't to print $600 billion and buy securities in order to jump-start the housing industry is drawing live verbal fire from Congress and the voters in due course, eventually, I think. Inflation is the main concern. Followed closely by the possibility of creating/maintaining another financial bubble.
This is more of the same old policies. The only thing that's changed is that the economy is going to last a
little longer. That's about it. It'll collapse anyway. Just take longer to do it.
Something else:
Analysts warn at least one cable TV reporter to "watch out for the peripherals: Ireland, Spain and Portugal."
They're just as vulnerable as they always were. For the same reason we are: Their bubble was bailed out by the EU and/or the IMF. Not to mention Greece. I expect fresh riots to return to major European city streets before it's all settled. If it ever is.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 15, 2010, 07:36:58 PM
This is more of the same old policies. The only thing that's changed is that the economy is going to last a little longer. That's about it. It'll collapse anyway. Just take longer to do it.
This just in, 16 Nov '10:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/16/report-foreclosure-mess-threaten-banks/?test=latestnews
(This article may be replaced in the future by fresher news, unless it's archived.)
This whole thing is a complex set of problems with no good answer. Greed and lax Federal regulations oversight, or plain incompetence---or both--- for decades has caused the economy to reach a financial cliff that's deadly to fall off of.
Lee *continues to sip soda and munch on popcorn while waiting for the
The Collapse*
--Lee
I heard today about cell phones that recharge themselves drawing energy from radio waves. http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/06/11/nokia-phones-pull-energy-out-of-thin-air/ triffid
Both my brother and I agree the collapse is coming.We call it "The Storm" however.And hope we can sit it out without firearms.I opened up a 5lb bag of cornmeal the other day(5 months old maybe) and found it infested with bugs.I ended up throwing it out and cussing myself for not storing it better.triffid
Quote from: triffid on November 17, 2010, 03:43:21 PM
I heard today about cell phones that recharge themselves drawing energy from radio waves. http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/06/11/nokia-phones-pull-energy-out-of-thin-air/ triffid
Right, that's a good idea, but some European countries would ban devices that tap the grid, won't they?
I saw on another thread awhile back: Taking only the ground wire of the American-style electric wall plug, adding two opposing diodes to the end, and then attaching each polarity-correct diode to the positive and negative terminals of an electrolytic capacitor will charge the capacitor to about 17 volts in 3-4 hrs.
J. Naudin did the original research, I believe.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on November 17, 2010, 03:52:43 PM
Both my brother and I agree the collapse is coming.We call it "The Storm" however.And hope we can sit it out without firearms.
I hope so, too. When people have no money they want to feel comfortable with, they become a whole lot less civilized. Some people make money their God.
My medical past disallows my owning a gun legally, but you and your brother might be okay in that regard. You might practice your accuracy on targets at a range occasionally.
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I opened up a 5lb bag of cornmeal the other day(5 months old maybe) and found it infested with bugs.I ended up throwing it out and cussing myself for not storing it better.triffid
Yeah, that's a problem. I got some 'C' Rations from a Veteran's-Stand-Down-type of meeting in San Francisco recently. They last a long time.
--Lee
Heres some news About SS.http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-retirement/article/111268/get-a-bigger-check-from-social-security?mod=fidelity-buildingwealth&cat=fidelity_2010_building_wealth Everyone can always use more money.
triffid
What follows is a copy of one readers post from the article I posted above.It should helpthose who served in the military get a bigger SS check when they retire. If you served in the U.S. Military and served honorably between Jan., 1957 and Dec., 2001, you could receive up to $1200 dollars of credit earnings annually, which can make a substantial difference in your monthly payments. This means ANYONE who served during this time period....not just military retirees. The catch is: You must bring your DD-214 and you MUST ASK for this benefit. SS office will not inform you that u are due this money. So ASK folks.
Hope this helps you out. triffid
PROBLEM AND SOLUTION to Trillions of $ Debt
Problem = Through fractional reserve banking money is created out of thin air (doesn't really exist), this money is then borrowed by the Government at Interest (this is the scam). The tax payer is forced to pay back money to the central banks that never existed in the first place WITH INTEREST. Over 100 years of this Scam has produced trillions of dollars of debt even though trillions of dollars didn't even exist 100 years ago. (Dollars or Euros it's still the same scam)
Solution = Under USA Pres. Lincoln we had DEBT FREE money, The US government created the money the same way the banks do today except the American people didn't owe interest to any other nation / central bank etc... In Fact the Constitution of the USA says that congress is to make the money not central banks or through fractional reserve banking, derivatives etc.. Lincoln was killed, and the globalists killed the debt free money he started. Lincoln’s Debt free money postponed the complete take over of the USA by saving us from outside control via war debts.
Today the American people do not control the US Dollar at all, only a handful of central banks and the Federal Reserve which is made up of private central bankers. The Fed and the banks through manipulation and fraud have stolen the assets of the American people over the last 100 years in exchange for DEBT they created out of thin air! THIS IS 100% FACT! They make the paper and we exchange our assets and freedoms for this paper and they collect the interest.
It's time to take our money back, if we don't the same people in control of our money right now plan to force us into a Global Currency which would then give them absolute control over the entire world! After a global currency is setup their will no longer be independent nations, only global tyranny. They will still create the money out of thin air and everyone in the world will OWE them the interest until they own/control everything!
Every nation in the world needs to create DEBT FREE MONEY and put the people back in control of their future. END THE SCAM, DEMAND DEBT FREE
MONEY! MAKE THE BANKS BORROW REAL MONEY CREATED BY THE GOVERNMENT, FOR AND BY THE PEOPLE, AT INTEREST.
If the system is flipped and banks/companies/people have to borrow real money from the Government at interest this will greatly reduce taxes and it eliminates the power of foreign governments and central banks thus ending this outsider control over our nation. Other nations can do the same thing and also have FREEDOM!
for more information on how to solve the Trillions of Debt
watch "Money Masters" on YouTube
It is amazing how we are told over and over to wait until we are 66 and receive full Social Security benefits. Better yet, get 8% more for each year you wait until you are 70. Don't start collecting at 62 even if you are retired drawing antoher pension. Has anyone computed the Present Value of the benefits lost by waiting until you are 70 to get extra benefits. You will have to live until you are approximately 82 to break even which means you have to work for those 8 years (62 to 70) because you still need income. I believe the average life expectancy is still around mid to late 70's. I'm thinking I had 8 extra years to relax when I was still able to enjoy relaxation. I still believe the only GTD income from Social Security is get it NOW; reap what you can today and if you live beyond 82 . . . well at least you can tell your nurse about how you made a wrong decision.
This is a copy of a readers post that I liked triffid
My dad took retirement at age 62.He said he had worked enough.He died at age 86.I took retirement at age 58.I have a disability but paid into the system for 39 years.So I earned the right to draw it.Hopefully it will last a long time.triffid
Economic Chrisy's are part of process and no Free Energy or technology can make humans free, this is illusion (for now)
all begins from us :) humans think that the planet earth are under us control and we are rights on it, but actually we all here are guests - we need to understand this ;)
Cosmo
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but actually we all here are guests - we need to understand this
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I love this place!!
I just want to leave it a little better than I found it!
And I'm glad for that chance!Besides If I really take good care of It ,who knows?, maybe they'll have me back??
How about you ??
Chet
Quote from: triffid on November 18, 2010, 08:50:35 AM
What follows is a copy of one readers post from the article I posted above.It should helpthose who served in the military get a bigger SS check when they retire.
Sorry to say, there was link to article in the post above. Can you resend the link? I did serve between those dates and with an Honorable Discharge.
--Lee
Quote from: cosmoLV on November 18, 2010, 09:33:40 AM
Economic Chrisy's are part of process and no Free Energy or technology can make humans free, this is illusion (for now)
Yes, I agree. Too much greed and violently pugnacious men who demand what they desire. So, you have a point.
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all begins from us :) humans think that the planet earth are under us control and we are rights on it, but actually we all here are guests - we need to understand this ;)
Right, true. I agree with your point as is.
Well, as far as it goes.
The trouble is---and I've seen this happen from a distance---that whomever is a "whistleblower" for positive change, will quickly become a target. The louder the whistle,
The. Bigger. The. Target.Martyrdom will come to whomever thinks differently. The SW Asian Jihadis
want martyrdom;
they're just using a bomb instead of a whistle.
They can be part of The Collapse if they gain strongly against our allies in the Eastern Hemisphere.
--Lee
The link below displays a disturbing trend.Members of congress grow richer no matter wnat happens to the man in the street.http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Members-of-US-Congress-Get-cnbc-1255923366.html?x=0 read and learn.triffid
More than half of all members of congress are millionaires.One was worth over 300 million.
One reader (of the article above)posted the following comment: All of the largest companies that are listed in this article, do a tremendous amount of offshoring and outsourcing. At GE, I know some of the folks in India that work for them on contract, they have cut so many Americans from their position and acquired so many India employees, that even the folks in India have complained to me that there are so many of them, and so few Americans, that it can be difficult to obtain clear direction from onshore in the USA or from the few Americans working there in India. Up to 80% of GE's labor is now offshored and outsourced, only about 20% of the American job positions that used to exist still remain - and they would love to get rid of those too if they could do it. That's called an "80/20" policy. 100% of that decision is about money, and the company loves to blow their little trumpet about all the wonderful cost savings - the executives brag about it routinely, and it is frequently on display on power point presentations and other blow-your-own-horn opportunities.
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Your congressmen, and senators, oh yeah, you better believe they are in love with this, they support it fully. They are not interested in doing anything about it? Good grief, they're trying to help these thing occur, they are IN LOVE with this.
Another readers postis :How can people with this kind of wealth have any clue about what the people they are supposed to represent need and want? With our current structure of no term limits and pretty much unlimited spending to get elected and then reelected the pool of potential senators and representatives shrinks with every election cycle. To enter the political arena you must have a great deal of personal wealth and then become beholden to special interest groups to pay for television ads, mailings, rallys and all the other dog and pony show events that have become part of our political process. The irony of the whole mess is that the only people who can change the system are the same senators and congressman who are currently manipulating it to help the special interest groups that pull their strings. I'm embarrassed to say that I got snookered into believing that Mr. Obama was really going to try and change Washington. Now that the Republicans have regained some power back they will take the opportunity to deliver some pay back. The congress reminds me more of a schoolyard with kids squabbling about a kick ball game that responsible representatives making decisions about the future of our country.
Another reader has a very negative view of the article that was written and in the interest of seeing both sides here is what he posted:Cynicism sells, and these posts show it. There isn't a lot of context in this article. I'd like to know the ones who have investments in companies that have business before Congress, and if they recuse themselves, and if not, why not? The multi-millionaires were multi-millionaires when they got there, and that's a problem, but this article makes it look like they came poor and got rich. There are only 537 elected federal officials, and the 300 million of us citizens who don't trust them; they are about the last people on earth who can "stuff their pockets" and get away with it. Ask Rangel! The interesting point to me in the article is, "The median wealth of a representative was $765,010, up from $645,503." Well, they make 175,000 a year, and according to these numbers their wealth increased by 120,000. That means they spent 55, 000 this year, the rest went into the bank. Does that seem out of line? I think this article is manipulative in this way.
Get to know your Congressman or woman. Judge for yourself. I have gotten to know my representatives and I believe they are in the political business to do public service, not to bilk the system. RESIST the PROPAGANDA!!!
Quote from: triffid on November 19, 2010, 08:16:42 AM
More than half of all members of congress are millionaires.One was worth over 300 million.
Their day is coming. No empire last thousands and thousands of years. People are born and then die. For that reason, karma is real to me. They'll get what they deserve. Good or bad.
That was both a compliment and a condemnation at the same time.
--Lee
A link to free services and goods. http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/111305/cool-products-and-services-you-can-get-for-free triffid
Quote from: triffid on November 19, 2010, 08:16:42 AM
More than half of all members of congress are millionaires.One was worth over 300 million.
That may be so, but look at this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101124/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_europe_financial_crisis
This is getting worse and worse. Millionaires may be a thing of the past, as it were. As I said in another post on this thread, the 'peripherals'---EU countries like Ireland and especially Spain---should be watched carefully. If they default, it's going to get more than just *serious* economically.
Then there's the obvious maniac in North Korea who
may not care if he gets East Asia into a gravely dire shooting war with the U.S.A.
"Things" are going downhill.
--Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvZZg5uia-Y
There is nothing that can reassure markets when three Irish banks are sitting on over 1.5 trillion euros in bad debt. (Spanish banks are sitting on over three times that). There is nothing reassuring when, just after receiving a massive bailout, the Greek government revised their growth figures downwards and their debt figures upwards again. There is nothing reassuring when ask the average man or woman on the street in Dublin, "What do you think will happen?" and they say, "We'll take the money then we'll default. What's the worst that could happen? They'd drain the German and French treasuries to protect the euro". Institutional investors will do what they always do - take the money and run to a safe haven.
It's fine in hindsight to say "We never should have let countries like Greece and Ireland join the euro - should have known they would abuse their privileges" but the boat has already left the dock.
The best thing anybody can do is let those banks fail, and let those other banks with so much money invested in the (always risky) Irish banks fail, too. Write off what you can, let the chips fall where they may. What you'll end up with are solvent, reliable banking institutions like the Cooperative Bank, instead of the unreliable and totally irresponsible Anglo Irish, Allied Irish, Northern Rock and RBS, and a return to a banking system which existed for hundreds of years which didn't need government regulation because they didn't make loans to people or other institutions who could not possibly repay them. Banks which existed to hold and protect their investors' money, not gamble it on subprime mortgages in Ireland, Spain and (mainly) the U.S.
Other things to consider many governments are in denial about their debt
and the crisis is far from over,it is getting worse.triffid
Quote from: triffid on November 27, 2010, 10:29:37 PM
There is nothing that can reassure markets when three Irish banks are sitting on over 1.5 trillion euros in bad debt. (Spanish banks are sitting on over three times that). There is nothing reassuring when, just after receiving a massive bailout, the Greek government revised their growth figures downwards and their debt figures upwards again. There is nothing reassuring when ask the average man or woman on the street in Dublin, "What do you think will happen?" and they say, "We'll take the money then we'll default. What's the worst that could happen? They'd drain the German and French treasuries to protect the euro".
Yes! That's the worst that can happen! The Germans are already complaining that they're,
"Not swimming in money."Precisely. This can't go on for a great deal longer. Europeans are become scared of the future, I think. Rightly so. This is a bad situation all around.
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Institutional investors will do what they always do - take the money and run to a safe haven.
It's fine in hindsight to say "We never should have let countries like Greece and Ireland join the euro - should have known they would abuse their privileges" but the boat has already left the dock.
The best thing anybody can do is let those banks fail, and let those other banks with so much money invested in the (always risky) Irish banks fail, too. Write off what you can, let the chips fall where they may. What you'll end up with are solvent, reliable banking institutions like the Cooperative Bank, instead of the unreliable and totally irresponsible Anglo Irish, Allied Irish, Northern Rock and RBS, and a return to a banking system which existed for hundreds of years which didn't need government regulation because they didn't make loans to people or other institutions who could not possibly repay them.
Many years ago, in high school, a 'nerd' I hung around with intimated to me that the present crisis(today) was unavoidable and would cause the 'whole house of cards to collapse', as he put it. Why, there's more that 100 times the money in circulation now than in 1929. No one who even lives to be 10,000 years old will be able to legally pay of the debts incurred before---and at---the collapse. Banks probably won't be around to be a factor at that time. They'll be toast by then.
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Banks which existed to hold and protect their investors' money, not gamble it on subprime mortgages in Ireland, Spain and (mainly) the U.S.
To be cynical and truthful, a financial whistleblower wrote a book exposing an insider's view of Wall Street and then testified to Congress. The data informant he named in testimony suffered a fatal car accident the next day.
Wonder why?
--Lee
On top of it all you have to worry about ATM theft. http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/111407/atm-fraud-gets-even-more-brazen triffid
One thing to do is to cover the keypad with your hand so no camera can see your PIN.
then here is a post from another reader:In Malaysia, crooks tap your shoulder as you're standing in front of the ATM waiting for your money. Modus Operandi is simple, they tap your shoulder, you turn and they tell you that you dropped some money. You look down and see some notes; this is the time they take out your card and replace it with a dummy card. You can't tell coz both cards don't have your name on it. Then they say it is a mistake, the money isn't your, it's theirs and they quickly leave with your card and your PIN (remember, one of them stand closely behind you to see you entering the PIN before they tap your shoulder). A friend of mind lost RM6,000 (about 3,000 dollars) in a week before she realized it.
Since the bailouts of the big banks Many of them have put the gas petal
to the foreclosure process in an effort to foreclose on as many homes as they can and turn around and resell them with clean paperwork.In florida alone a special court was set up to rubberstamp as many foreclosures as possible.The article is in The November 2010 edition of the "Rolling stones".The fla system is nicknamed the "the rocket docket".The main interest of the judges is to process as many as they can in an hour without even being concerned with proper paperwork .Hence errors occurr in nearly 100% of the mortgages being foreclosed on.In some cases the banks told homeowners to not pay for three months so they would be considered for loan modications but kept no records of who they gave permission to fall behind payments to.There was a lot of fraud committed by the banks in the sub prime mess.But our legal system supports the banks nearly 100% against the average homeowner.
tired of paying for cable? here are other options. http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/110122/you-dont-have-to-pay-for-cable-tv?mod=series-a-article triffid
CAN'T YOU SEE IT?
The economic crisis in Ireland and other EU countries has nothing to do with socialism or social programs. It is the result of UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM. the same thing that happened here int he U.S. Financial institutions made risky bets that resulted in huge losses and now they are looking for a government bailout at the expense of YOU THE TAXPAYER.. THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR THE BAD HABIT OF GAMBLING WITH THE ECONOMY BY THE RICH AND THE CORPORATIONS.
It is really amazing to me how ignorant people are in this country. Why don't you take a basic economics class, or go to Europe yourself and talk to people to learn about their system. If you are getting your knowledge of world affairs from Fox news and AM radio you are being woefully MANIPULATED AND MISINFORMED.
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The oligarchy and plutocracy the 'ruling class" have you brainwashed lemmings believing: If you start talking about the inequlities of income they will call you a "socialist" "Commie", "maxist"
I do not know which makes a man more conservative â€" to know nothing but the present, or nothing but the past.
Today, because of stagnating wages and higher costs for basic necessities, the average two-wage-earner family has less disposable income than a one-wage-earner family did a generation ago. The average American today is underpaid, overworked and stressed out as to what the future will bring for his or her children. For many, the American dream has become a nightmare.
But, not everybody is hurting. While the middle class disappears and poverty increases the wealthiest people in our country are not only doing extremely well, they are using their wealth and political power to protect and expand their very privileged status at the expense of everyone else. This upper-crust of extremely wealthy families are hell-bent on destroying the democratic vision of a strong middle-class which has made the United States the envy of the world. In its place they are determined to create an oligarchy in which a small number of families control the economic and political life of our country.
The 400 richest families in America, who saw their wealth increase by some $400 billion during the Bush years, have now accumulated $1.27 trillion in wealth. Four hundred families! During the last fifteen years, while these enormously rich people became much richer their effective tax rates were slashed almost in half. While the highest-paid 400 Americans had an average income of $345 million in 2007, as a result of Bush tax policy they now pay an effective tax rate of 16.6 percent, the lowest on record.
Last year, the top twenty-five hedge fund managers made a combined $25 billion but because of tax policy their lobbyists helped write, they pay a lower effective tax rate than many teachers, nurses and police officers. As a result of tax havens in the Cayman Islands, Bermuda and elsewhere, the wealthy and large corporations are evading some $100 billion a year in U.S. taxes. . . .
But it's not just wealthy individuals who grotesquely manipulate the system for their benefit. It's the multinational corporations they own and control. In 2009, Exxon Mobil, the most profitable corporation in history made $19 billion in profits and not only paid no federal income taxâ€"they actually received a $156 million refund from the government. If you just ask just compensation for your hard work, Is that Marxism, Communism?
Quote from: triffid on November 28, 2010, 12:13:06 AM
On top of it all you have to worry about ATM theft. http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/111407/atm-fraud-gets-even-more-brazen triffid
I saw a morning TV cable news program segment that featured that problem. An Internet company sells conductive, (probably metallic) sleeves that slip over your credit/debit card which shields the card from detection.
(Covering the card with aluminum foil will do the same thing, but is a crumpled hassle to deal with.)
Also, triffid is right about the Europeans and their debt.
I say, if the Irish have been bailed out, and their still scared about the future of their money and economies, they have reason to be. No amount of money they throw at the problem will stop their, and our own, downward slide---as triffid and I have indicated all along.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 24, 2010, 06:19:54 PM
That may be so, but look at this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101124/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_europe_financial_crisis
This is getting worse and worse. Millionaires may be a thing of the past, as it were.
Case in point:
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/111434/familys-fall-from-affluence-is-swift-and-hard
(This article may---or may not---be replaced in the future with fresher news on the news agency's computer's hard drive.)
--Lee
free land if you will homestead it. http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/7-towns-where-land-is-free.html triffid
Some ways to reduce your debt.Don'tforget to read readers posts.
http://financiallyfit.yahoo.com/finance/article-111092-7153-1-how-she-paid-off-big-debt-in-a-few-short-years triffid
Quote from: triffid on December 01, 2010, 10:39:53 AM
Some ways to reduce your debt.Don'tforget to read readers posts.
http://financiallyfit.yahoo.com/finance/article-111092-7153-1-how-she-paid-off-big-debt-in-a-few-short-years triffid
Yes, this is indeed true. I myself am guilty of eating out at the beginning of the month until I run out of ready cash by about the 15 of each month. Then I visit the local religiously-oriented soup kitchen for the rest of the month.
I could eat there every day, but I'd still be short of money living in an expensive city like San Francisco. (The weather here is something that agrees very much with me, so I stay here.)
But I'm not in debt, so that's not a problem. I'm just living in a dirty slum with the types of people who live in slums.
UNFORTUNATELY!!!! >:( >:( >:( ::) ::) ::)
--Lee
Spending trillions you don't have will crash any nation that won't take steps to correct the problem. They have gone past the point of no return. Only the people on benefits are included. Labor unions have been squashed and these figures do not reflect people that have replaced good paying jobs with insufficient paying ones either. People are unwilling to come to market with new products that will end up overseas adding nothing to the economy either. That trend has to be broken before they will come forward. This FED buy up is a crock, the banksters will use 600 billion of fiat money and try to swindle the country out of resources.
They will argue they have money in bank accounts that is tangible to purchase debt with and I will tell you any tangible assets they have ever held are leveraged to the max and all they have is a printing press. So with some ink and paper they are going to try to make a real asset grab soon.
Quote from: raburgeson on December 06, 2010, 02:10:51 AM
Spending trillions you don't have will crash any nation that won't take steps to correct the problem. They have gone past the point of no return.
Yep, I agree 1,000%
They greatly appear to not give a d@mn. I believe starvation is coming to whomever thinks they can get away with theft for years and try to act like Bernard Madoff and lie about it.
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They will argue they have money in bank accounts that is tangible to purchase debt with and I will tell you any tangible assets they have ever held are leveraged to the max and all they have is a printing press. So with some ink and paper they are going to try to make a real asset grab soon.
People will really wake up soon---unless they like slowly going broke at an ever-increasing rate. Then, even the Chinese may demand their money they borrowed from us? Or economic fear grips Europe and the EU collapses, while dragging us down with it?
You're absolutely right in principle. The economy will effectively implode. Shortly or eventually.
--Lee
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Some ways to reduce your debt.Don'tforget to read readers posts.
http://financiallyfit.yahoo.com/finance/article-111092-7153-1-how-she-paid-off-big-debt-in-a-few-short-years triffid
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 02, 2010, 11:03:25 PM
But I'm not in debt, so that's not a problem. I'm just living in a dirty slum with the types of people who live in slums.
UNFORTUNATELY!!!! >:( >:( >:( ::) ::) ::)
--Lee
Speaking of people who may, or may not, be in debt:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101208/ap_on_bi_ge/us_foreclosure_wrong_people
This kind of thing can really piss a person off! The idea should be to demand a bank produce the original note of the legal mortgage. If they can't, then sue!
--Lee
Good points. There are a lot of UTube Videos about it too.
I already mentioned an article on mortgage fraud that was published in the Nov.2010 issue of "the rolling stones".The big banks do not care about the errors in their documents.Nearly 100% of the mortgages was quoted in the article as containing some type of error.From this point on I want to avoid banks when it comes to buying real estate.triffid
http://money.msn.com/investing/the-decades-10-best-paid-ceos-brush.aspx Read it and rest assured in the knowledge that the ceos get theirs.triffid
I bought some solar tubes that look like giant test tubes.They are able to boil water just using sunlight.
They heat up the air inside real well too.I will have to build a giant test tube rack to be able to use them.As long as they are never broken they will focus sunlight inside the tubes.I bought them from a link on www.cleanrepublic.com triffid that link is http://www.electric-bike-kit.com/evacuatedsolarvacuumtube-1.aspx
Quote from: FatBird on December 08, 2010, 06:35:58 PM
Good points. There are a lot of UTube Videos about it too.
There probably are. However, what concerns me at the moment is this sort of thing:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101215/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_greece_financial_crisis
It's going on in England with the students and Italy with the vote of confidence for the Prime Minister, yes?
People are showing a lot of anger. Look at Korea with protests in Seoul, S. Korea, over the North's shelling of a border island.
Various populations are showing less and less restraint in dealing with corruption and gov't waste. There is no good end if this gets worse.
--Lee
Jim Marrs has a good book out on it "These terrible times".
http://www.amazon.com/Trillion-Dollar-Conspiracy-Man-Made-Diseases-Destroying/dp/0061970689/ctoc
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 15, 2010, 02:20:22 PM
People are showing a lot of anger. Look at Korea with protests in Seoul, S. Korea, over the North's shelling of a border island.
Speaking again of "Korea", S. Korea wants to continue artillery exercises near where the North shelled the South's border island. Both sides promise "massive" retaliation if the other side goes too far. A regional conflict would be more than just *serious* for economic interests in the area if things get out of hand.
The economic crisis is far from over in Europe as well.
--Lee
Everyone seems to have forgotten 2008 when gas was over $4.00 thanks mostly to greedy speculators. In case you haven't noticed, fuel prices are creeping up again and most economists expect the price to be near or at $4.00 again by late spring 2011. The rise is slower this time so as not to alarm the uninformed. Our government "subsidizes" the refining companies in a back-door manner by allowing massive tax breaks although it certainly is increasingly costly to get at the crude and somebody has to pay.. Am I about to riot? Hardly. But I MAY have to curtail operations and lay off people, and this fragile "recovery" will suffer soon as prices rise for everything.
Ethanol, the so-called savior, is actually driving up the price of everything as farmers mow down their corn for fuel and not food; as oil prices rise, so do prices for everything made with it including plastics, clothing , and many foods.
Iran is not the only nation who will suffer soon due to rising fuel prices. This country is in deep economic caca and while there may not be nationwide riots and strikes over cutbacks, there will be a cost -- what that is remains to be seen
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Everyone seems to have forgotten 2008 when gas was over $4.00 thanks mostly to greedy speculators. In case you haven't noticed, fuel prices are creeping up again and most economists expect the price to be near or at $4.00 again by late spring 2011.
I did notice, indeed. Makes me glad I don't own a car. San Francisco, my hometown, has major street gridlocks every day due to the cars.
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The rise is slower this time so as not to alarm the uninformed. Our government "subsidizes" the refining companies in a back-door manner by allowing massive tax breaks although it certainly is increasingly costly to get at the crude and somebody has to pay..
The companies don't pay taxes, they raise prices and we subsidize the prices with our business.
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Am I about to riot? Hardly. But I MAY have to curtail operations and lay off people, and this fragile "recovery" will suffer soon as prices rise for everything.
Taxes might become higher at the end of the year? At any rate, prices are creeping up on everything.
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Ethanol, the so-called savior, is actually driving up the price of everything as farmers mow down their corn for fuel and not food; as oil prices rise, so do prices for everything made with it including plastics, clothing , and many foods.
Yeah, a TV news report said the same thing awhile ago. They, and you, have a point. There are newly discovered naturally growing plants that can be used for ethanol production, however.
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Iran is not the only nation who will suffer soon due to rising fuel prices. This country is in deep economic caca and while there may not be nationwide riots and strikes over cutbacks, there will be a cost -- what that is remains to be seen
As I said,
"I'm waiting to see what happens."--Lee
think you can grow your own food on your own land if you had some?Think again! check this out! http://www.naturalnews.com/030799_food_freedom_Wickard_vs_Filburn.html
NaturalNews) In arguing for S.510, the "Food Safety Modernization Act," there are all sorts of attorneys, legislators and internet commentators who keep claiming, "The government won't try to control the food production of small farms." They say, "Your backyard garden is safe" and that the feds won't come knocking on your door to control your seeds or foods.
As usual, these pushers of Big Government are utterly ignorant of the history in their own country. Because as you'll learn right here, not only CAN the U.S. government control and dictate to single-family farms what they can grow in their own backyards; the government has already blatantly done so!
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/030799_food_freedom_Wickard_vs_Filburn.html#ixzz18ofAhxQs
The federal government claimed authority under the Commerce Clause of the US Constitution (Article 1, Section 8), even though the Commerce Clause was originally written primarily to prevent states from erecting tariffs, not to allow the federal government to control interstate trade. But thanks to the twisted interpretation of the government -- and believe me, the government will twist every interpretation it can in an effort to assert more power over the population -- the feds claimed that Filburn's growing of his own wheat effectively reduced interstate commerce in wheat. Therefore, they reasoned, they could regulate his backyard wheat production (and order him to destroy his wheat).
Because of this US Supreme Court decision in 1942, it now means the federal government can order you to halt food production in your own back yard by arguing that when you grow your own food, the amount of food you purchase from other food providers is reduced, meaning that your food production impacts interstate trade and therefore can be fully controlled by the federal government.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/030799_food_freedom_Wickard_vs_Filburn.html#ixzz18ofoQsnr
Really wicked news isn't it?
if they want to they can seize your homegrown gardens just from a 1942 court case.And they are now groping passengers at the airports under new TSA rules.I wonder when the full body scans will make it out on a porn site somewhere?If I thought of it I'm sure someone else has too.triffid
So now we will have to live underground in caves.Grow our gardens in secret.Grow plants that don't use sunlight.And no telling what else we will have to do to live on the surface.No wonder I eat out at fastfood places all the time.Jack in the box sounds good this morning.triffid
In other words, the federal government claims the authority right now -- even without the Food Safety Modernization Act -- to knock on your door and order you at gunpoint to destroy all the food in your garden, your greenhouse or your farm. They can order you to destroy all seeds in your possession and all food harvested from your own garden. And they can do all this with the full protection of U.S. law by simply citing the precedent set in Wickard v. Filburn in 1942 as ruled by the US Supreme Court.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/030799_food_freedom_Wickard_vs_Filburn.html#ixzz18okqvoG4
Quote from: triffid on December 21, 2010, 10:02:07 AM
So now we will have to live underground in caves. ...
...And no telling what else we will have to do to live on the surface. ...
Well, there's a conspiracy theory---out there somewhere, anywhere, everywhere ::) , right??!!??---that the Gov't has cave complexes that can last for years when the worldwide economies collapse.
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Grow our gardens in secret.Grow plants that don't use sunlight.
Some mushrooms don't necessarily need light to grow, right? You can't eat mushroom all the time, though.
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No wonder I eat out at fastfood places all the time.Jack in the box sounds good this morning.triffid
Yeah, it's easy. I do, too, when I have money. I'm still collecting cans of food.
REEDIT:This thread's poll(
very successful) has 107 respondents so far. The consensus has the "definitely failing" category consistently above 54% of the total for months and months on end.
This thread is the second longest in terms of public/Member clicked Views on this Forum("News"). I myself will keep watching the TV news reports and commenting occasionally, as I've always done.
--Lee
I guess living in caves can't be all bad.Our ancestors did it for thousands of years before they figured out how to make huts(houses) out of mammoth bones.
I wonder if we will have to build more houses out of bones?I always wanted to live underground on the moon or mars.Seems like now is a good time to go.triffid
I have lived in a tent on my own land for three months and found the experience to be a good one.If you can stay in your sleeping bag you have it made in the winter.I was in graduate school at the time and to get out of bed to go to class(1979-80).While I would not repeat that experience again.I might go for a large military tent like they had on the tv series MASH now that I'm retired.I cooked a lot of meals on an open fire by supporting an iron skillet on two bricks.And feeding the fire twigs and other pieces of wood.Tent keeping was usually a breeze.triffid
Quote from: triffid on December 22, 2010, 02:13:06 PM
I guess living in caves can't be all bad.Our ancestors did it for thousands of years before they figured out how to make huts(houses) out of mammoth bones.
http://archaeology.about.com/od/ancienthouses/g/mammoth_huts.htm
You have a point.
I'm a genealogist and most Americans had
native East European tribal ancestors living in those types of huts 15,000-25,000 years ago.
Caves can also smell from the previous recent inhabitant, even though a strong cave with a good roof is excellent protection against bears, lions, saber-tooth cats, etc.
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I wonder if we will have to build more houses out of bones?I always wanted to live underground on the moon or mars.Seems like now is a good time to go.triffid
The science fiction author Robert Heinlein(now deceased), had as a plot point in one of his early novels that people used to live on the Moon, but they("Lunarians"(?)---I made up a new word??!!??) were gone by the time the heroic space explorers got there.
If you could find a way off Earth, now is the time to plan a getaway.
There's several fairly and seemingly benign economic problems that will become harshly evident in due course.
Buy a one way ticket to Mars. ;) :D ;D 8)
Or convince the "Greys" from the Orion Nebula to take you and trust they won't treat you like a head of cattle and experiment on you!
--Lee
I have solar panels now so I would generate some electricity for lights,radio,tv and computer.triffid
I like buying a one way ticket to mars best.The cattle method would not be healthy for me.I do think I will end up in St.Louis,Mo.in a couple of months to began a new adventure in my life.I do have raw property in Utah to set up my tent on but last I heard it was covered by 6 inches of snow.But St.Louis beckons to me now.Triffid
Quote from: triffid on December 22, 2010, 02:28:02 PM
I have lived in a tent on my own land for three months and found the experience to be a good one.If you can stay in your sleeping bag you have it made in the winter.
That can be iffy. California and the Sierra Nevada are getting
plastered by many,
many! feet of snow in the higher elevations. I spent a winter in Maine while serving in the Air Force. BUT, I'm just enough Scandinavian to tolerate more cold than the average person. DNA can help. I have first-hand experience.
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I was in graduate school at the time and to get out of bed to go to class(1979-80).While I would not repeat that experience again.
I was on the streets of Okla. City for almost 1 1/2 yrs. I know what "roughing it" is like. First-hand experience.
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I might go for a large military tent like they had on the tv series MASH now that I'm retired. ... Tent keeping was usually a breeze.triffid...
We had 6-man wall tents in the Boy Scouts. They were probably war (Gov't) surplus
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...I cooked a lot of meals on an open fire by supporting an iron skillet on two bricks.And feeding the fire twigs and other pieces of wood. ...
Fortunately, I had an small income, but I couldn't cook outside without being seen. You were lucky to be on your own land.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on December 22, 2010, 02:34:17 PM
I have solar panels now so I would generate some electricity for lights,radio,tv and computer.triffid
RIIIIIGHT!
While living in my hut on the vacant lot, I tried to power a small inverter from Radio Shack with about 6 of the larger dashboard solar panels to trickle charge your battery in the winter. I had to buy extra parts to couple the panels to the inverter, since they were powered from different types of car outlet receptacles. Actually, I needed about 30 of the panels in parallel to keep the motorcycle battery charged up enough to be useful.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on December 22, 2010, 02:43:25 PM
I like buying a one way ticket to mars best.The cattle method would not be healthy for me.I do think I will end up in St.Louis,Mo.in a couple of months to began a new adventure in my life.I do have raw property in Utah to set up my tent on but last I heard it was covered by 6 inches of snow.But St.Louis beckons to me now.Triffid
Okay, I see. I had pioneer ancestors and distant relatives in that part of MO about 175 yrs. ago. My Dad's father was born in Linn, MO.
I notice the MO State lawmakers had forbidden clear cutting of the native forests in MO. At least it was like that 40 years ago.
(The UT mountains of the high country have a lot more than 6". Avalanches can be more than merely a *minor problem* when that happens.)
--Lee
I put two large solar panels together to charge up a car battery(keep it topped off).Each put out about 18 volts for a total of 80 watts.80 watts per hour of sunlight.So if I used it once a week ora little more the system provided enough power.I used only 12 volt tv,radio and lights.An invertor wastes power.So I kept it real simple.keep all wires less than 20 feet long or DC losses kick in. I placed the two solar panels in my living room windows.I maintained that system for 8 years.triffid
I hate to be all gloom and doom.Here was a refreshing story on Gma this morning. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/ConsumerNews/savings-makeover-york-family-nets-58288/story?id=12452935
they were able to save this family $58,000 a year.
Quote from: triffid on December 22, 2010, 04:49:38 PM
I put two large solar panels together to charge up a car battery(keep it topped off).Each put out about 18 volts for a total of 80 watts.80 watts per hour of sunlight.So if I used it once a week ora little more the system provided enough power.I used only 12 volt tv,radio and lights.
You live in a house where the landlord doesn't have the right to barge in and look at everything you have. I'm in an apartment, so that's out. But the two panels you had still would have worked in my case on a small battery, even if I had an inverter. I only used my electric shaver about 5 minutes a day.
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An invertor wastes power.
Yeah, small inverters aren't very efficient. I just didn't have the money to buy better parts at the time.
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So I kept it real simple.keep all wires less than 20 feet long or DC losses kick in.
Heavy wire for long lengths and very heavy wire for very long wire runs can keep losses to a minimum. Heavy wire is expensive, though.
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I placed the two solar panels in my living room windows.I maintained that system for 8 years.triffid
Very good. That'll work, even through glass windows. They need to be clean, however, but they should work.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on December 22, 2010, 08:44:42 PM
I hate to be all gloom and doom.Here was a refreshing story on Gma this morning. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/ConsumerNews/savings-makeover-york-family-nets-58288/story?id=12452935
they were able to save this family $58,000 a year.
Good, triffid.
However, I do have some rather "doom & gloom" news:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/22/news/economy/build_america_bonds/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin
I wondered why the City of San Francisco was fixing so many sidewalks a couple of years ago. Now I know.
It's about to end for a fairly large number of cities.
I expect this will have some impact on the building/construction trade industry.
--Lee
something amusing to look at. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_ZbIs89Mk0&feature=player_embedded The worlds smallest solar powered electric car.triffid
Some more of the same http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpF_FtF0TkE&NR=1
Quote from: triffid on December 28, 2010, 05:28:35 PM
something amusing to look at. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_ZbIs89Mk0&feature=player_embedded The worlds smallest solar powered electric car.triffid
Well, I did see this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/07/earlyshow/main4998592.shtml
I'll have to try and wait 'til it stops raining here in San Francisco to see the video. They won't allow me to watch YouTube here where I am now.
On topic:http://bigpeace.com/jxenakis/2010/11/19/stability-of-europe-threatened-by-ireland-financial-crisis/
http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi-bin/D.PL?r=bp33&d=ww2010.i.garrett071009
That second article is a "hum-dinger", so to speak. We're Germany in the 1930's and China is the U.S. in the 1930's. Almost the same situation with
a whole lot more money in circulation.
--Lee
http://snardfarker.ning.com/profile/bigjohnlipscomb
i watched big jhns dvds on secret gardens and how to make a water filter.
it gave me hope that people could survive a collapse. triffid
http://snardfarker.ning.com/forum/categories/survivalism-and-gardening/listForCategory
want to build an underground bunker?
As far as burying yourself in the ground goes, it seems to me that it would be bad for morale in the long run, but if you are interested in how to dig a big hole safely, look up the digging techniques used to dig basements for houses. To summarize, plan for a ramp about 3-4 times longer than the hole is deep, or use a track hoe and go from one end to the other. Just bear in mind the method that you intend to use to get the container/structure down into the hole when you decide how to do it. What I would consider the ideal setup for concealability is a metalic container buried under 18-36 inches of earth near a stream that you could wing dam for power, metalic cased well sunk inside the container with the casing welded to the container, and shielded wires running from the hydro unit to the container, shield grounded to the container and in the stream. Probably still be radar detectable, but it would look a lot smaller than it actually was. A round tank will give a lot smaller radar return than a square container. If you stay in one place for long enough, you will be found. If you stay on the move, you may be found, but you have a chance at doing the finding, and then dealing with the situation on your own terms. Either way, if you are set on a worst case, it might be good to be ready to die, because any way you go, it is a certainty sooner or later. Personally, I do not think that the situation is hopeless yet, so I am putting the bulk of my energy right now into salvaging it, and only a little bit into preparing for it's collapse.
I would consider carrying a tent with me.Backpack with tent.
Just some guy ranting and raving but I share his views.It could be me in this video. http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/joblesshouselessrecovery-lets
triffid
For your amusement......http://snardfarker.ning.com/forum/topics/even-rats-prefer-organic-food Be sure to check out" grocery store wars". triffid
Concerning Reply #819,
I saw the hole show on a recreation of what the people in London went through with the German Blitzkrieg. There was a then-current, traditionally-built bomb bunker/shelter next to a traditionally-built set of 2 story buildings.
The re-creators blasted the buildings and bunker with ever larger simulated explosive charges as 'bombs'
The bunker didn't stand up the the final blast from a simulated V-2 rocket. Don't count on an underground shelter unless you really know how to build them to tolerate a nuclear blast. If you do build a strong one, they can also be used as a cellar for storage. Very useful.
--Lee
http://www.electronics2000.co.uk/ this is a program to help you design your electronics.triffid
This guy will not be paying $5.00 a gallon gas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evmGYBrCKgk&NR=1&feature=fvwp
I have a good tip for somebody.Those plasma balls you see for sale for about $40.00 will light up gas filled light bulbs with touching or without touching the plasma ball.They transmit enough energy to ionize the gas inside the bulbs or tubes.So maybe you can get more lighting for less money?The light bulbs may be burned out but you can still ionize the gas in them. triffid
Solar powered cooling of your home today! http://www.popbuying.com triffid
Quote from: triffid on December 30, 2010, 11:45:24 AM
I would consider carrying a tent with me.Backpack with tent.
Manufacturers make tents like that, but they seem flimsy to me because they need to be light enough to carry. We used 6-man wall tents for civilized camping in modern campgrounds when I was in the Boy Scouts.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on January 03, 2011, 07:36:56 PM
I have a good tip for somebody.Those plasma balls you see for sale for about $40.00 will light up gas filled light bulbs with touching or without touching the plasma ball.They transmit enough energy to ionize the gas inside the bulbs or tubes.
Right. There was a thread somewhere
(awhile ago!) that had a plasma globe with a coil draped over the top that could harvest energy to a battery bank through a diode string.
Now I remember? Was it Don Smith? I can't remember exactly.
Okay, I found it:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8713.0
(look at Reply #55)
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So maybe you can get more lighting for less money?The light bulbs may be burned out but you can still ionize the gas in them. triffid
Yeah, you bet!
Creative Science, the R&D sellers of free energy survival plans, had plans for a high voltage, high frequency AC signal generator that revived burned-out fluorescent bulbs. Those bulbs would light for years as long as the glass envelope was sound and there was continuity in the bulb.
They would send you the plans, but money was their main motivation.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on January 03, 2011, 01:20:57 AM
This guy will not be paying $5.00 a gallon gas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evmGYBrCKgk&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Yep, that's right. To recharge the batteries, it should take about $1.00-$2.00/per overnight charging session. Elsewhere on this Forum or the OU.com board in general, I said that an expert on AC and/or DC motors with 60 yrs. experience was getting real old, so his niece asked him to rebuild a car for her to street-legal electric power for her commuting. That way he was mentally occupied.
A younger man heard of this and asked to be the old man's apprentice, so the knowledge the old man had wouldn't die when he did.
We need more geniuses to invent energy-saving devices to do something about the American energy demands and worldwide climate change. But, that's what we're here for, yes?
--Lee
The energy breakthrough is what we are here for.I will be moving to St.Louis in about three weeks it looks like.I spent new years there and those tornados set down about 20 miles away from me.triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 07, 2011, 04:41:29 AM
The energy breakthrough is what we are here for.I will be moving to St.Louis in about three weeks it looks like.I spent new years there and those tornados set down about 20 miles away from me.triffid
Well, okay. There's no good way to escape the tornadoes in that part of the country.
But, you're right. I do research in general and I was in R&D electronics, professionally, even if it was in a field that had nothing to do with Free Energy.
I may be moving in a couple of months myself.
On topic:
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1293647522.php
--Lee
We didn't see it coming. http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/bankers-song-we-didnt-see-it triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 07, 2011, 05:11:37 PM
We didn't see it coming. http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/bankers-song-we-didnt-see-it triffid
Here's a different take:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/08/26/129454550/inside-the-sausage-factory-how-wall-street-made-the-financial-crisis-worse
The analysts are right, you know. The minority often is. ::) >:( :P
--Lee
detention camps for americans . http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=593DAAA1750F6B33CB7737DCE9A6E255 triffid
JFK speech that he may have been killed for. http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=860ABC86FB13195B09D15F199AFAC383
triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 08, 2011, 05:24:53 PM
detention camps for americans . http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=593DAAA1750F6B33CB7737DCE9A6E255 triffid
Typical. You bet.
This site should have posts all about subjects like that.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/
The New World Odor, however, may not even survive when the economy crashes. The ancient Roman Empire didn't survive, you know.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on January 08, 2011, 05:36:34 PM
JFK speech that he may have been killed for. http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=860ABC86FB13195B09D15F199AFAC383
triffid
Good. That video upload isn't on YouTube.
I'm not allowed to view videos on YouTube here at the Salvation Army, but I'll try and remember to bring my earphone headset to the computer room next time.
--Lee
Mission possible?Some good exciting news? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7euZNGrsLs&feature=player_embedded
triffid
Solar powered attic fans. http://www.youtube.com/user/ussunlight?v=tHkuWwBwAXU&feature=pyv&ad=5250191843&kw=solar%20energy&gclid=CKuLs6WNrKYCFQGe7QodCi2kaw triffid
triffid i get the same result by having R75 of insulation in my attic plus i keep a lot of heat in the house in cold wheather.
Of course I realize you desire to keep the heat in the winter.I used to live in texas where you get a lot of heat in the summer.around the dfw area.I am now moving to a colder climate so I have to update my focus on these things.I am also looking into dowsing as a way to make the rest of my life more interesting.triffid
how do you know your a real Texan?
the temp. drops to 95 so you put on a sweater! :-)
Im not a real texan then.I guess.I think I need oil to be a real texan too.triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 09, 2011, 09:35:26 AM
Of course I realize you desire to keep the heat in the winter.I used to live in texas where you get a lot of heat in the summer.around the dfw area.I am now moving to a colder climate so I have to update my focus on these things.I am also looking into dowsing as a way to make the rest of my life more interesting.triffid
I've heard that not everyone can dowse effectively, but I did see a demonstration years ago on TV.
I also lived in Houston for about 3 1/2 yrs. My sinuses bothered me occasionally, then.
BTW,Greece continues to borrow more and more. Financial analysts are questioning this ongoing action in view of lack of fiscal constraint in the Greek economy. If the Greek Gov't does
anything in monetary conservatism, the Greek people will probably riot. Again.
--Lee
This group claims a 98 percent success rate.http://www.allsup.com/apply/social-security-disability.aspx?SessionCode=1105&gkw=social%20security%20disability
Just posting it in case someone here needs it. triffid
years ago in college i got my first taste of dowsing.My roommate turned two wire coathangers into two L rods.I walked across the room with them and they crossed at a couple of locations.I was amazed but never did much.Now I want to use dowsing to find the best machine for me at the casinos in oklahoma.Is that wrong????triffid
Quote from: fritznien on January 09, 2011, 05:14:51 PM
how do you know your a real Texan?
the temp. drops to 95 so you put on a sweater! :-)
@fritznien
That lets me out, too, like triffid, for a different reason: I went outside in Tucson in January, with the temps in the 40's, with local residents shivering badly in their Alaskan parkas, with, say, 2-3 T-shirts and a single pair of blue jeans on, and
not be terribly uncomfortable. People ask, "You're not cold?" (I'm still in my late 50's at the time.)
"No", I say, "I'm Scandinavian."
They give a wry "Now-you-tell-me-" look after that.
My point is: The toughest and most adaptable will have a better chance to survive when the economy collapses.
Quote from: triffid on January 10, 2011, 07:43:26 PM
Im not a real texan then.I guess.I think I need oil to be a real texan too.triffid
@triffid
Speaking of oil, average the price of gas may have made nationally, permanently and eventually inflationary price increases to the point that most people cannot drive.
And the typical man on the street thinks the economy is improving?
Sure. Fat chance against.
--Lee
price of gas is going up here too.Saw some over the $3.00 mark.triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 13, 2011, 12:46:45 AM
price of gas is going up here too.Saw some over the $3.00 mark.triffid
There's a couple of other things as well:
A) The Consumer Price Index is edging upward. Some Wall Street insiders are worried that inflation---widely predicted to eventually rise---is starting to do so. That could scare a lot of people and stall "The Recovery".
B) Illinois can become the new Greece. They owe a lot of former State employees a lot of future money in retirement benefits they cannot afford to pay. To mitigate that problem, Illinois is raising taxes. This'll anger just about everyone, and, corporate business is predicted to leave the state
en masse. Illinois may slide into a Depression, and surrounding states as bad off financially will follow on a slippery slope.
--Lee
Foxnews.com said today that food shortages are on the way.That the next two years the harvests will be light.And there will be food riots.That sales of guns rose 60 % in arizona the next day or so after the shooting of the congress woman. Big john Lipscomb sells a dvd on how to make secret gardens.He taught himself on how to garden in stealth.He is good!!!! Most people walk by his gardens when they take a walk with him out in the woods.I will do some too if I can.triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 13, 2011, 06:52:27 PM
Foxnews.com said today that food shortages are on the way.That the next two years the harvests will be light.
Right.
Haiti, China, Pakistan, (possibly) Australia, etc. will be needing more and more food imports.
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And there will be food riots.
Probably in 3rd World countries first. That wouldn't surprise me at all.
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That sales of guns rose 60 % in arizona the next day or so after the shooting of the congress woman.
I used to live in Tucson before I came to San Francisco. Everyone in Tucson has heard of Gabby Giffords. But, I also know 30%+ own guns in AZ. Anyone who wants to take those guns from their owners would face resistance.
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Big john Lipscomb sells a dvd on how to make secret gardens.He taught himself on how to garden in stealth.He is good!!!! Most people walk by his gardens when they take a walk with him out in the woods.I will do some too if I can.triffid
Yeah, good idea, I can put plants in my windows, but the landlord might object. I think my lease forbids it. But, it's still a good idea to do.
--Lee
if you can hunt, fish, build, plant and harvest there is nothing to be worried about. if you cannot do all of the above you got the wrong education...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on January 13, 2011, 10:35:51 PM
if you can hunt, fish, build, plant and harvest there is nothing to be worried about. if you cannot do all of the above you got the wrong education...
Exactly
don't forget,you need to know how make fire without matches.triffid
big John lived in montana where he perfected his method of gardening.He says to use heirloom seeds and now lives in kansas somewhere.Says he loses a third of his gardens to rabbits and deer.A good source of meat I would guess.set up rabbit snares at least.triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 14, 2011, 09:22:22 AM
don't forget,you need to know how make fire without matches.triffid
I saw an advertisement for a fire starter that used a magnesium rod and a knife-like affair to shave off slivers of the rod into a small pile. Then, take the "knife" and hit the side of the rod hard to make sparks to set off the shavings. The
blazing! heat is more than enough to start wet wood.
I don't know if it sold well enough to continue production. This happen years ago.
--Lee
I bought one of those at a garage sale for 50 cents one time.I really mean learn how to use friction like a bow and string or striking two flints together.Camping stores would have the magnesium fire starting kits.For about 10 dollars or just collect books of matches and keep them in an airtight,waterproof jar.triffid
lint from the dryer makes good firestarting material.collect some of that and store it in a waterproof jar.
triffid
I as a kid used to pick up flint rock from the railroad tracks.Strike them together to make sparks.Aim the sparks into your dryer lint,gently blow on the sparks to get smoke and a small flame,add paper and small sticks of wood.Build up your fire slowly and gently.U can also preserve coals from the fire the night before.Get a pan to put live coals in,not dead ones,cover with ash to keep the air away from them so they don't burn out overnight.Build your new fire from the old coals.triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 15, 2011, 08:30:14 AM
I as a kid used to pick up flint rock from the railroad tracks.Strike them together to make sparks.Aim the sparks into your dryer lint,gently blow on the sparks to get smoke and a small flame,add paper and small sticks of wood.Build up your fire slowly and gently...
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...Camping stores would have the magnesium fire starting kits.For about 10 dollars or just collect books of matches and keep them in an airtight,waterproof jar.triffid
That second quote is important: Keep it dry.
The magnesium starters cheat, compared to the traditional purist hobbyist
(?), right?
But survival comes first, so: CHEAT!!!!!
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on January 14, 2011, 09:22:22 AM
don't forget,you need to know how make fire without matches.triffid
steel wool and a 9volt... or sticks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frksQmPaX7U
I have heard stories where a paper match is split into ten pieces that can be struck carefully to start a fire.I like the steel wool and battery trick.You can pick up stray pieces of metal with a magnet from any parking lot or road.And use them to spark a fire the same way as with steelwool.Those small pieces of metal will burn too with an electric current going through them.They will burn in an fire that is already going.triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 16, 2011, 10:27:35 AM
I have heard stories where a paper match is split into ten pieces that can be struck carefully to start a fire.I like the steel wool and battery trick.You can pick up stray pieces of metal with a magnet from any parking lot or road.And use them to spark a fire the same way as with steelwool.Those small pieces of metal will burn too with an electric current going through them.They will burn in an fire that is already going.triffid
yup, the steel wool/9volt works great, i've used it many times. one can also use a pencil and a car battery. in fact any source, even very low voltage such as an AA, and a resistive material will work.
Quote from: triffid on January 16, 2011, 10:27:35 AM
I have heard stories where a paper match is split into ten pieces that can be struck carefully to start a fire.I like the steel wool and battery trick.You can pick up stray pieces of metal with a magnet from any parking lot or road.And use them to spark a fire the same way as with steelwool.Those small pieces of metal will burn too with an electric current going through them.They will burn in an fire that is already going.triffid
I did finally see the YouTube video with the new battery and steel wool.
Alright!!!!!!They didn't teach that in Boy Scouts, but they did have firestarting contests at camp during gatherings. "Jamborees", they called them.
The battery and steel wool is something to remember.
--Lee
Want to know what you will look like in 30 more years.Try this website. http://www.morphster.com/path/c/2/1/1 triffid
just neededto park this link somewhere. http://www.topyields.nl/Top-dividend-yields-of-Dividend-Aristocrats.php triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 19, 2011, 04:10:28 PM
just neededto park this link somewhere. http://www.topyields.nl/Top-dividend-yields-of-Dividend-Aristocrats.php triffid
My paternal grandmother gave me, and my brother and sister one (1) share of GM stock. Since there was a hassle over declaring it's approximate value in income reporting statements to state and local governments, I sold mine for whatever I could get for it. I only made about $10.00 in dividends for 30 year's time.
--Lee
Get your meals ready to eat now!!! http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&rlz=&q=meals+ready+to+eat+for+sale&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=9750890156269978675&ei=Hms4TYrfHofUgQfymeH8CA&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEUQ8wIwBA# While you still can.What happened in greece will happen here.You may have only 2 to 3 years left to get yours.triffid
This auction site claims to sell things for pennies on the dollar. http://www.quibids.com/landing/index.php?v=2 triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 16, 2011, 10:27:35 AM
...You can pick up stray pieces of metal with a magnet from any parking lot or road.And use them to spark a fire the same way as with steelwool. ...
Aren't those filings iron oxide? Steel wool is actually iron metal, not the oxide, so it doesn't need to get rid of the oxygen atoms in the oxide molecule, so as to ignite.
Beach sand has lots of iron in it. An electromagnet picks up filings pretty easy.
--Lee
A lot of those steel particles can still burn some more.However you are right,they are not steel wool.I do know if you toss them in a fire that is already burning.They will spark up the fire.I think therefore if you will collect enough to make a small pile then run an electric current through it.Like from a 9 volt battery.then it should heat up enough to start a fire. I do tend to make assumptions sometimes.This may have been one of them.Better carry a glass lens in your pocket to focus the suns rays when the sun is shining. You can at least have fire part of the time.triffid
my chemistry is a bit rusty (ha ha) but if i recall correctly, iron oxide is an ionic compound? and thus not a great conductor, more of a resistor. you should try it out triffid, let us know if it works. all the sand around here is under a couple feet of snow.
The beach sand would make for an interesting experiment.There is magnetic and nonmagnetic black sand.Both are known to be forms of iron.triffid
Iron oxide is not an ionic compound.It can be resistive however.So it could heat up like a resistor in a circuit. table salt(sodium chloride) however is ionic and when mixed with water carries a current quite well.triffid
Joe meyer was on coasttocoast am last night and this is what he had to say about the current economic situation.
The so-called economic recovery is an illusion, and the underlying elements of the financial structure are continuing to deteriorate, with more mortgage foreclosures coming in 2011-12, he said. We'll continue to see declining prices in housing, and the commercial real estate sector will also slide downward, with retail malls failing in the 2011-12 period, he predicted.
The bull market for precious metals is just getting started, and though there'll be some corrections, it will continue rising for the next decade, he declared. He recommended investing in gold and silver coins, as well as bullion, and quality mining stocks. Meyer also advised making investments with utility companies, and the energy market (diversifying with 1/3 international oil companies, 1/3 oil service stocks, and 1/3 in the natural gas sector).
Quote from: triffid on January 21, 2011, 08:33:02 AM
Iron oxide is not an ionic compound.It can be resistive however.So it could heat up like a resistor in a circuit. table salt(sodium chloride) however is ionic and when mixed with water carries a current quite well.triffid
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_iron_oxide_a_ionic_or_covalent_compound
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on January 21, 2011, 08:23:50 AM
...you should try it out triffid, let us know if it works. all the sand around here is under a couple feet of snow.
San Fransisco is covered to a depth of more than 100 feet (near the Bay) by beach sand. A billion tons, at least. Starting a fire in privacy would be a problem with all the smoke, however. Outdoor fires, except in park broiler hearths with charcoal, is widely frowned upon. Air quality regulations, you know. The cops would be all over violators.
You have a good point about the beach iron filings, I agree.
--Lee
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on January 21, 2011, 09:44:28 AM
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_iron_oxide_a_ionic_or_covalent_compound
The quick-and-dirty answer:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_Iron_III_Oxide_an_ionic_bond_or_a_covalent_bond
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 21, 2011, 01:45:52 PM
The quick-and-dirty answer:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_Iron_III_Oxide_an_ionic_bond_or_a_covalent_bond
--Lee
great, except neither you nor triffid reference iron III oxide, you both referenced "iron oxide"... furthermore, i'm not even sure why it was brought up without being tested first. triffid does not even know if it will work like he thinks it will. running about gathering sand that may or may not help you start a fire may not be much help to someone trying to survive a disaster.
Yes I am guilty of making an assumption without testing the bit about iron particles you can collect from any street or road with a magnet.Black sand would be an interesting experiment but I did not mention it first.I have played with black sand a lot however in my gold panning days(early 80's).I did use magnets to separate the magnetic black sand from nonmagnetic black sand.A friend of mine used the magnetic black sand with epoxy to form an iron core.I got to see what he had done.I filed it away in my mind for future reference.triffid
When making assumptions it makes an a** out of both you and me.
I heard that at work a lot.triffid
Thinking back on this topic I now realize I made more than one assumption here.I assumed that once the store shelves are empty that you can't buy steel wool and 9 volt batteries either.I assumed that most people don't know about the scrap iron on the roads and streets of the USA(in the form of small particles).I assumed that there would be enough pure iron in the sample to start a fire.So here are three more assumptions I made.triffid
I would prefer to use flint rocks and dry tender myself to start a fire.triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 24, 2011, 08:24:00 AM
When making assumptions it makes an a** out of both you and me.
I heard that at work a lot.triffid
I heard a similar one the the USAF:
Beware of "assume"; otherwise it can make an "A$$" out of "U" and "Me".
(Hence: "Assume".)
triffid,
WilbyInebriated goes out of his way to
try and prove how smart he is, and
try not to come off as sounding like a schmuck.
He doesn't succeed; he pisses most people off, and I don't answer his posts or PM him at all. The reason should be obvious. I don't encourage him.
He's. One. Hell. Of. A. Schmuck.
--Lee
It is good, You had informed us that You are Jew.:-)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 24, 2011, 03:45:50 PM
I heard a similar one the the USAF:
Beware of "assume"; otherwise it can make an "A$$" out of "U" and "Me".
(Hence: "Assume".)
triffid,
WilbyInebriated goes out of his way to try and prove how smart he is, and try not to come off as sounding like a schmuck.
He doesn't succeed; he pisses most people off, and I don't answer his posts or PM him at all. The reason should be obvious. I don't encourage him.
He's. One. Hell. Of. A. Schmuck.
--Lee
denied. logical fallacy. if you have a point to debate about something i posted... great, i'm your huckleberry. that would however, require a cogent argument from you big minok, something you are not too proficient at...
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 24, 2011, 03:45:50 PM
and I don't answer his posts or PM him at all. The reason should be obvious. I don't encourage him.
au contraire, mon frère you do answer my posts...
you answered my post here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8010.msg271781#msg271781
and here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8010.msg271786#msg271786
and that's just on the previous page of this thread. ::)
yeah you are one hell of a schmuck indeed... and a
liar.
as an aside... just when is this "disaster" coming? it's been over a year now that you have been saying this.
Quote from: Doctor No on January 25, 2011, 05:39:55 AM
It is good, You had informed us that You are Jew.:-)
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=188.25
(Reply #37, pg. 2)
Go play with yourself, you schmatzah!
Gehen Sie Spiel mit sich selbst, Sie großer Stapel des starken riechenden Exkrementes!
I've had had enough of the " 'good' doctor." To hell with him.
--Lee
Gut meine kleine juderchen-swederchen;-] I think soon we will see end of 200y. old jew-o-comics (jewish economy). And don^t please forget, by whom Israel is circled by? Make bet what will be with soon?:-) Dr Adolf Nowak
i have seen food shortages in oklahoma because of the 14 inch snow that was dumped in tulsa oklahoma.The food trucks could not move for days.The shelves in several stores went empty for bread.There were fights in the walmart stores over pizza.So being stuck in okla I have seen what Lee has been talking about.It was a huge blizzard that brought this about.I have been busy moving to St.Louis,mo where I just bought a house with a spare lot to do some gardening on.I am almost moved but not quite.
i hope to be there by the end of feburary.triffid
Quote from: triffid on February 07, 2011, 05:24:48 PM
i have seen food shortages in oklahoma because of the 14 inch snow that was dumped in tulsa oklahoma.The food trucks could not move for days.The shelves in several stores went empty for bread.There were fights in the walmart stores over pizza.So being stuck in okla I have seen what Lee has been talking about.
Yep, old buddy,
"Been there; done that", as the cliche goes.
Quote
It was a huge blizzard that brought this about.I have been busy moving to St.Louis,mo where I just bought a house with a spare lot to do some gardening on.
I'm lucky enough to have the climate of San Francisco to be thankful for. The interior out by Bakersfield and Sacramento is actually a mild desert in the summer, and has been for thousands of years. Too hot for me.
Quote
I am almost moved but not quite.
i hope to be there by the end of feburary.triffid
Try and strengthen your house's roof, against heavy snow,
unless you have an 'A' frame. You might put in extra insulation as well. Remember how to get out of town quick into the 'sticks' away from anarchists, if necessary. You might need to, someday. Just a thought.
--Lee
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on January 25, 2011, 09:23:17 AM
as an aside... just when is this "disaster" coming? it's been over a year now that you have been saying this.
Okay, how about Egypt? You look at the news? What do you see? A popular uprising against murderous thugs and gov't goons who probably don't think it's significant that they're way,
WAY outnumbered by ordinary citizens who're fed up with the corruption that's rife in the Arab world. Labor unions recently added tension to the scene by going on strikes for better conditions.
There aren't enough guns and "ammo" in Egypt if the 'fellahim'('peasants', in Arabic) decide to launch a deliberate massed charge---which was demonstrated as a Banzai Charge...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzai_charge
...in the South Pacific by the Japanese---against the Egyptian Army and goon squads.
This has
really! serious implications for the region!!!
Hundreds of thousands could die, but the region's national economies will be hit just as bad. And the ripple effect around the world might be unpredictably disastrous. These youthful Egyptians probably think they have little to live for since the Great Recession began. Fearful, despondent people do stupid things. Like blow themselves up in a homicide attack against women and children. Well, this time these dictators
may be in for wholesale executions like in the French Revolution.
Fri, 11 Feb, is a "Day of Reckoning" as the protesters put it. They're rightly furious at being treated like the Nazi SS treated the Jews and other minorities in Europe. Arabic journalists and dissidents say the situation
could quickly escalate into a bloodbath. If so, I'd say that
could equal
DIRE!!! consequences for the region and the world economically after that.
I'll just have to wait and see like everyone else.
Okay, has your question been answered?!?!?! There are other developments I could describe(N. Korea walking out of peace talks, for instance) but this problem is the worst I've seen in a while, to put it lightly. Very lightly. "Very lightly" means an abslout slaughter of Egyptian citizens.
I wrote this mostly for the OU Members,
other! than WilbyInebriated. I'd don't give a flying fvck what his opinion is. He may be smart enough to know that. Is he?
On a slightly lighter note, the word "fuck" is actually in OU Spell Check dictionary, but I chose the word I did to accentuate it to everyone's attention. ;)
--Lee
ok chicken little... may your prophecy forever self fulfill. ::)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on February 10, 2011, 09:50:58 PM
Okay, how about Egypt? You look at the news?
Well, I do look at the news.
Bahrain is the newest country to experience anti-govt protests. Tear gas in the streets.
Iranians, as well, are ready to protest against a whole Govt of sociopathic thugs who won't hesitate to shoot protesters. (Neda Aga Soltan was shot in the last series of large rallies.)
NOTE:
I would put in a link to the Wikipedia article of Neda's death, but IE doesn't allow copy-and-paste operations.
Solidarity protests are planned today (Feb. 14). The Iranian regime supports opposition protests in Egypt, but outlaws them in Iran. Corrupt hypocrites!! The opposition has to decide to stand up for themselves like the Egyptians did, or they'll continue to suffer like the Egyptians did. It may mean looking down the barrel a machine gun and charging into the resulting hail of bullets, but!, the opposition outnumbers the thugs and they should know it.
Leaders in 5 or 6 Mideast/African countries are "shaking in their boots", so to speak, because they know their Nazi-like tactics can be used against them by others.
The whole region is a powerkeg lit by a fuse that the leaders can put out if the want to. Will they?!?!?!
LATER REEDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76W-0GVjNEc&skipcontrinter=1
(I put this in to point out, IMO, if people continue to see this and think they have nothing to lose, they WILL take that out on the thugs who do things like this. Mob rule = blood in the streets.)
Did it occur to
"Wilby... the Genius" that some borrowed computers can have IE set NOT to allow copy and paste? Mozilla Firefox almost always can. That's why I use is as much as possible. Our resident Almighty guru,
Wilby... the Great, didn't stop to think of that? He merely stood in self-satisfied judgment, as usual, IMO.
I say money is politics and vice versa. The North African economies having demonstrations are suffering financially as a result. The ripple effect can be felt in bigger regions of the Eastern Hemisphere. I don't think this is insignificant. A lot of these countries are interrelated in their dealings in general.
1,000,000 tourists have left Egypt. The museums are empty. The Pyramids are vacant. Fresh Egyptian Govt employee strikes for working better conditions and more pay still occur. This costs everyone in the region money, eventually.
Tunisians are leaving Africa for Europe at the rate on 80,000/year. Mostly to an Italian border island. Italy is getting unhappy about that, too. AND, the Tunisians refuse to do anything about it. Wonderful. I think war is coming to the region, sooner or later, and that can collapse a country's economy.
I'm kinda glad
His Highness, Wilby... , brought this to everyone's attention, so I could comment on it. I'll let the other Members and the public decide if my remarks are valid or not.
I don't need to cuss at him, and I can further comment on the logic of subjects---like this---he thinks I'm ignorant of. Let others read and see for themselves. Comment if you want.
That's why we're here, right?
--Lee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Neda_Agha-Soltan
copy-pasted courtesy of IE... ::)
note: all of this seems rather political and not economical, isn't this thread about an imminent economic disaster?
Economic crisis goes already from financial-virtual part to more observable by each, real goods economy. The paper wins and as well losess from previous time, have to be already earned (and consumed by few). What is only importatant, are banks, which stood alive after, to improve its own positions. Who will pay for all? Peoples. It was already long time ago written by Marx, Lenin and others.:-) But this time is only 1 additional point: there is on energy to go really up. By only maximum 30% effectvity and so big worlds economy as today it is simply mission impossible to feed all with energy. So many will have to in out.;-]
I saw a program on cable called "after humans".They were talking about what would survive of mankinds acheivements if humans were to dissappear from the earth leaving everything else intact.It seems that most buildings would be gone after 4000 years.Unopened jars of honey could last for hundreds of thousands of years.Twinkles would last 25 years. Some cans of food could last for hundreds of year unless they are exposed to temps of 105 degrees or more.Then the exremephile germs in them would grow and burst the cans(beans).So I guess twinkles and honey would be two things you couldn't go wrong on.triffid
I hope to be finished moving by feb 28th to St.Louis,mo.triffid
Quote from: triffid on February 16, 2011, 08:58:41 PM
I saw a program on cable called "after humans".They were talking about what would survive of mankinds acheivements if humans were to dissappear from the earth leaving everything else intact.It seems that most buildings would be gone after 4000 years.Unopened jars of honey could last for hundreds of thousands of years.Twinkles would last 25 years. Some cans of food could last for hundreds of year unless they are exposed to temps of 105 degrees or more.Then the exremephile germs in them would grow and burst the cans(beans).So I guess twinkles and honey would be two things you couldn't go wrong on.triffid
Right, here you go:
http://www.history.com/shows/life-after-people
The Seattle Space Needle and the "Space Needle" replication in Las Vegas, NV, would be the last buildings in their respective site cities to collapse.
Trees, cattle egret and alligators in New Orleans. You get the idea?
You're probably right about the honey.
I had a meal of 'C' Rations I got from a veteran's homeless outreach function here in S.F. They last quite a while and can be found in military surplus stores. They can be 'cooked' in a self-supplied steamer or eaten as is from the plastic bags the meal constituents come in.
--Lee
It is very good thing this economic crisis. It will cure many problems, and tears us from silly peoples. I had written somewhere that i don^t have own home. Of course. What will be in price and Haute Coulture (speak: ot citir) will be bunkers. Deep underground bunkers, far away from big cities in lasy village (Dorf) neighbourhood. I have such 2 in various places (from previous War). It is nice to live in. Cold in Summer, warm in Winter. Really free energy!:-)
Quote from: Doctor No on February 18, 2011, 02:55:33 PM
... I had written somewhere that i don^t have own home. Of course. What will be in price and Haute Coulture (speak: ot citir) will be bunkers. Deep underground bunkers, far away from big cities in lasy village (Dorf) neighbourhood. I have such 2 in various places (from previous War). It is nice to live in. Cold in Summer, warm in Winter. Really free energy!:-)
Can you live off the land in Poland/Germany/Sudetenland(wherever you live)? There are no wild game animals since they were hunted to extinction, farm animals will get eaten quickly, any survival food in cans will be eaten eventually. The land is fairly polluted, anyway. Especially rivers and streams.
Living in a bomb shelter all the time means you eventually starve. Were you combat trained in the military? They can teach you to live in the wilderness, even if you're an East European. You need a lifelong source of food.
Do you have one?
Oh, I'll be honest now: I live in a large West Coast city and have the same problem. But, I'll get diabetes in, say, 10 years or less, so I can't avoid my future. If there's a river of blood in the streets, I think anyone have much of a chance. Frankly, I think only the survivalists might have a chance if they're talented enough to scrape by.
The text above was for everyone. This is for you:
http://www.polishforums.com/society-culture-38/polish-skinhead-finds-out-hes-really-jewish-47223/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/world/europe/28poland.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315093/Polish-neo-Nazi-skinhead-couple-discover-JEWISH.html
I could go into, circumstantially, why I
really! think you might have Jewish ancestors. And you want to ignore this? How's your conscience?
--Lee
I don^t have Jewish ancestors for minimum 200y. Rather from Bamberg, south of Germany. But it was 300y ago and nobody has sure clues. Mother of my Grandma was aus Kaschuben (Hinterpommern). Oma (Grandma) was schon in NRW, Duisburg/Rhein im 1912 geboren (2006 gestorben). She was 8y. old when came to Poland with father. Grandgrandpa served in Preusische Armee. We have even this 100y old photos (colour)of him in uniform! But most of Oma cousins lived bis today in NRW. One uncle left hand left under Moscow in winter 41/42. He had always in each of his Mercedes cars, special steering wheel for better drive with automatic of course. He was reachest of them all, even in cold war was oft in Poland. Other uncle served as Wachmann in camp for war prisoners in Poznan. Lived in this time in Oma^s flat. Her Man, my Grandpa served in this time polish 304 BS of RAF. They had searched for German subs, some sinked (Volltreffer). Also much disturbing history. But it is only part. The Jews today are but more jewish as this from bevore war. And this in Jedwabne, but not so many, but i think that in other places too, were killed cos they had sold (verkaufen) many polish peoples to soviet communists. For death. I^m not all for it, as in a fall of skins, but You know, in war such things go faster and ohne Gnade. This even not to stop people not to make such murders. This are already our ancient instincts. Today this Jews which had undergone Holocaust stay as a courtain, an umbrella, for this what they bankers do. But really, this people self are not kindly seen in Israel.:-);-];-):-);-] Also Jews sell all to have money. They are much greedy. To much. But polish citizens also gone this way last 20y., so whats the problem. They are already much verjudert sich-total juderismus-idiotismus herscht in Polen jetzt. Auch der ehemalige Erste Sekretar von unsere Fuhrer hatte Ihn verkauft. This is but a cardinal (Dziwisz) big mistake:-) Eine ganz dicke, judische Schweine.
Ich empfhole jedem, Morgen fruh eigene PKW maximal mit Sprit zu fullen. Ich habe gehoren das, Erich in der Himmel laht sich von Angela Merken zu Spate und spricht: in meine Zeit, Sprit fur 1.5 EUR war unglaublich. (und was Er sagen wenn wird 2.00 kosten haben. Oder 2.20. Ab Herbst;-]
Und Stefan. Hast Du schon erfult dein PKW mit Sprit? Schreibt uns bitte, wie viel kostet Diesel u. E95/98 Morgen?
I think having a place to live free and clear ,secret gardens where you can grow your own food.Having a fireplace in your home for heat and cooking.Making your own electricity with a solar panel or two.Being able to recycle your own water.Right now I have chemicals to pull water out of the air.I think having all of this can help people to survive what ever storm is coming.I will have all of this where I am moving.Lets see what happens???triffid
I am a commercial bill collector by trade, so I can see economic faults coming before most people as well as the up turns. This is mostly becuase in my line of work we have to be keenly aware of money flow and know first hand how hard it is to prey money from people. Many say the times are improving but I have yet to see any sign of it...in fact the signs point to it getting worse yet.
That being said I am at heart a survivalist, so we have always been ready for anything whether it be natural disaster or political in nature. We make our own wine our own pipe tabacco, we garden and preserve we hunt and fish. We can take care of ourselves if needed.
In short whether you beleive hard times are getting harder or not you should always be prepared to survive it just makes logical sence
Bizzy
Only 2 reasonable men in the world?;-) Please more as above!
Quote from: Doctor No on February 22, 2011, 03:20:55 PM
Only 2 reasonable men in the world?;-) Please more as above!
Wow I have been called many things especially when I was a prison guard a few years ago, BUT I have never ever been called reasonable before
not even from my wife/soulmate :)
Thanks
Bizzy
It doesn^t matter whats Your job or teaching. You have a human to be with proper look at things, various thing. Even when You don^t own answer, it is only to feel topic. Mostly, all things in Nature go the same path. It is all about us built on the same scheme and rules. So when You are open minded it is easy to see things as they really are. For pilots and drivers it is also called reflex.;-)
We are all in this life together so no matter what happens next we need to support each other.That could be food,shelter,heat.Here in the St.Louis area where I am now 43,000 people were without electricity for a while because about 5 tornados went through the area.If you are without electricity you most likely are without heat too.So have some oil lamps on hand and some candles too.triffid
Quote from: triffid on March 03, 2011, 12:00:21 AM
We are all in this life together so no matter what happens next we need to support each other.That could be food,shelter,heat.
In ideal times when there's jobs to do and money extra to spend, I agree, yes. This a bad recession, however, and thing will *head South* when gasoline/petrol reaches $4.00+/gal. in America. Jobs will be lost in greater numbers. It's that political insurrection in North Africa appears to be growing into a Libyan pitched-battle civil war. The outcome---worst case scenario---has been compared to Mogadishu or the Second Sudanese Civil War:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sudanese_Civil_War
My point is: People in other parts of the world
and Wisconsin, first; spreading to other states, are getting tired of the "business as usual" political way of doing things.
Reply #887, this thread:
Quoteas an aside... just when is this "disaster" coming? it's been over a year now that you have been saying this.
I replied that Egypt was become a problem area and that that was a serious matter for the region. Well, it's becoming bigger than that. Military and political instability in the whole region has political pundits in Washington, DC, scared. All their well-laid plans can become unraveled quickly, if thing
really! get out of hand.
People in WI are pissed that their political survival is at stake. Money, too. If someone takes your money legally, you may
or may not? think you can live without it? People without money can quickly turn into angry mobs. Here's how it can happen by this economist's research:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsagtKAjMC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67jom22FCc8&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-IzwZurkqM&NR=1
I was still looking at this one when time ran out on my borrowed computer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90lVRNCtlbY&NR=1
Will return later with comments.
REEDIT:
Here's someone else that says about the same thing:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/41887217
--Lee
Yes I agree bad times are a coming.I will be planting some seeds tomorrow on my land .And have planted things on land that was not mine.I like the idea of secret gardens and think I can extend the idea to secret mining of gold in the gold bearing states like alabama,indiana,michigan,and etc.I went thru a gold panning phase in my younger days and know that gold is in the ground.Its all up and down the arkansas river.Which runs thru several states.I can see a time when people are panning gold to feed themselves.triffid
You are all dead already. Oil at todays prices will be burnt out in 6-8y. But much before, prices jump sky high. Even if US brings peace;-) to Libya, it will take no more than 3-4y. And when not, this autumn will come out what really is situation with oil. It will be much worseer as in time of Big Crisis 80y. ago. It will be simply no future as i predicted over 20y. ago. And all laughed. And laugh again. Why they are right, not me? Cos we are living yet;-]
Quote from: triffid on March 04, 2011, 02:18:08 AM
I like the idea of secret gardens and think I can extend the idea to secret mining of gold in the gold bearing states like alabama,indiana,michigan,and etc.I went thru a gold panning phase in my younger days and know that gold is in the ground.
You have a point, where quartz-bearing rock is found, gold usually is found as well. Since Colorado is in the rockies, the Arkansas River should have its headwaters in Colorado. The Rockies are made of quartz bearing granite, for the most part. But no gold in Arkansas to speak of that I know of. It's flour gold, if it exists. You need to sift through many tons of mud to get an ounce of gold.
Quote
Its all up and down the arkansas river.Which runs thru several states.I can see a time when people are panning gold to feed themselves.triffid
Yeah, as long as people consider it a meddium of exchange that's trusted as such. As I said before, "You can't eat gold."
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 04, 2011, 05:25:59 PM
As I said before, "You can't eat gold."
--Lee
you are incorrect. you can eat gold... ::)
http://www.businessinsider.com/2009/1/rich-people-still-eating-gold
Lee said:
QuoteHere's how it can happen by this economist's research:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsagtKAjMC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67jom22FCc8&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-IzwZurkqM&NR=1
I was still looking at this one when time ran out on my borrowed computer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90lVRNCtlbY&NR=1
Will return later with comments.
REEDIT:
Here's someone else that says about the same thing:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/41887217
--Lee
Part 5 of this series; #6 will follow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtViLQbI91E&NR=1
I know most of what this guy wants and is doing. Will explain later.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 05, 2011, 06:53:08 PM
Lee said:Part 5 of this series; #6 will follow:
People without money can quickly turn into angry mobs. Here's how it can happen by this economist's research:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsagtKAjMC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67jom22FCc8&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-IzwZurkqM&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90lVRNCtlbY&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtViLQbI91E&NR=1
I know most of what this guy wants and is doing. Will explain later.
--Lee
Okay, since I didn't get to a computer today to upload anything, I'll do it now:
The first 3 video clips are essentially correct in predictions: The Chinese can cut off out credit if they want and demand immediate payment, but that would crash the economy. Uncle Sam printing more and more money will cause massive inflation as in pre-WWII and Eastern Europe. That would do the same thing, eventually.
He's right.
Clip Four and Five begin to address the
dire! situation that's coming by have the paying public buy his book and not tell anyone how to save themselves for free.
Own gold
!?!?!?(WilbyInebriated indicates that gold can be eaten(Reply #915, this thread), but would he manage to consume an ounce of flour gold for several months? Will his liver and kidneys survive? I don't think so! I really hope if he can afford that much specially manufactured gold; and that he depends on it for food, a gun and ammo for self protection, medicine, animal traps and other necessities when the economy falls apart. The world can do without him when he poisons himself.)
One of the hints the video author suggests---I believe---is buy a house for living in at all costs, as well as a very long term investment. Wealthy people use this "investment" to corner future financial markets. Houses bought at 10 cents on the dollar can do that, ordinarily.
"Ordinarily."A
possibly oncoming, potentially vicious civil war in Libya will wreck economies all over the world by their interconnected finances. Oil is already climbing steadily. People think this is fine? They don't already take public transportation? They forgot the long lines of the past?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-04/record-gasoline-grips-europe-while-california-faces-4-a-gallon.html
Regardless of this guy's recommendations, he actually does suggest that you plan a getaway out of town to avoid civil insurrections that may be coming. He can do what he wants, but when he's trying to sell everyone something for a profit,
he's part of the problem.--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 07, 2011, 11:02:15 PM
(WilbyInebriated indicates that gold can be eaten(Reply #915, this thread), but would he manage to consume an ounce of flour gold for several months? Will his liver and kidneys survive? I don't think so! I really hope if he can afford that much specially manufactured gold; and that he depends on it for food, a gun and ammo for self protection, medicine, animal traps and other necessities when the economy falls apart. The world can do without him when he poisons himself.)
hey big minok, don't go putting words into my mouth... i made no claims about livers or kidneys nor consuming just gold for months... ::) obviously gold has little to no nutritional value, but that isn't what you said is it? you said and i quote, "you can't eat gold" which was and still is patently incorrect. maybe what you meant to say was 'you can't eat gold alone and live for long.' ;)
as an aside, i can provide for myself
if the economy falls apart. nature provides every medicine i could need, as well as shelter, materials for tools and sustenance. i'll survive, and thrive, long after your hoard of food is gone...
When gasoline got to $4.00 a gallon last time people changed their driving habits.You can make one gallon of vodka(ethanol) from 15 lbs of potatoes.So grow potatoes to make alcohol.Put alcohol in your cars to burn as fuel.One spud cut into four pieces will give you 6 to 8 spuds per plant.I guess I will be planting potatoes too!triffid
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on March 08, 2011, 03:02:35 AM
hey big minok, don't go putting words into my mouth... i made no claims about livers or kidneys nor consuming just gold for months... ::) ...
I know that, schmuck. I sarcastically suggested that you do.
"What we have here is a failure to communicate." Prison Warden from the movie,
"Cool Hand Luke", if memory serves...
Actually, I'm really and pointedly telling you: We aren't communicating clearly unless you enjoy trying to be obnoxious---to me and others.
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...obviously gold has little to no nutritional value, but that isn't what you said is it? you said and i quote, "you can't eat gold"...
More precisely, and sarcastically, please split hairs in implied meaning; you're an expert! And,
"No", I
didn't mean exactly that gold was good and healthy to consume orally. I had HAZMAT experience in the USAF, so I know what heavy metals can do to the body. I just didn't point that out until now.
YOU do understand
THAT don't you?
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... which was and still is patently incorrect. maybe what you meant to say was 'you can't eat gold alone and live for long.' ;)...
Okay, fine, that's what I meant. I don't go out of my way to point out personality faults to others all the time unless someone like you gives me a reason, especially when they usually don't want free advice. I don't need it from you. Is that plain enough for you? You understand that?
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...as an aside, i can provide for myself if the economy falls apart. nature provides every medicine i could need, as well as shelter, materials for tools and sustenance. i'll survive, and thrive, long after your hoard of food is gone...
All right, then, as an aside, WILD game animals may be all but extinct in heavily populated areas, with the exception of trash animals like coyotes, blackbirds, starlings and pigeons. Rabits can exist in Oklahoma, but cottontails need to be able to outrun a dog. Fortunately for them, greyhounds aren't really common, unless they came from a racetrack as old rejects. Some small, common animals like opossum, skunk, robins, etc. are edible, but I'll let YOU, Wilby..., catch one or shoot one and eat it. Raw, with ketchup, if you like!
"Yum-O!" --Rachel Ray, TV chef
Stay away from starving gangs, unless you have a reliable gun and a lot of ammo.
In not getting angry at you any more; Ill just make fun of you like you try and be a stupid prick to me and others, which is one strong personality trait of yours, IMO. The dominant one, IMHO.
Can anyone try and backlash(verb in this context) an insult against Wilby...? the same way he did to them?
I'm starting to have fun, even if I'm off topic and
NOT! specifically addressing Wilby... in my original posts to others. More than a few may think he's a smartass.
Opinions are welcome. I'll continue on-topic when I have more time.
AFTERTHOUGHT: I realize I was on-topic about the animals. Utilize them in the wild if you can catch them. City rats are fairly polluted, though.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 08, 2011, 02:03:28 PM
I know that, schmuck. I sarcastically suggested that you do.
"What we have here is a failure to communicate."
Prison Warden from the movie, "Cool Hand Luke", if memory serves...
Actually, I'm really and pointedly telling you: We aren't communicating clearly unless you enjoy trying to be obnoxious---to me and others.More precisely, and sarcastically, please split hairs in implied meaning; you're an expert! And, "No", I didn't mean exactly that gold was good and healthy to consume orally. I had HAZMAT experience in the USAF, so I know what heavy metals can do to the body. I just didn't point that out until now.
YOU do understand THAT don't you?Okay, fine, that's what I meant. I don't go out of my way to point out personality faults to others all the time unless someone like you gives me a reason, especially when they usually don't want free advice. I don't need it from you. Is that plain enough for you? You understand that?All right, then, as an aside, WILD game animals may be all but extinct in heavily populated areas, with the exception of trash animals like coyotes, blackbirds, starlings and pigeons. Rabits can exist in Oklahoma, but cottontails need to be able to outrun a dog. Fortunately for them, greyhounds aren't really common, unless they came from a racetrack as old rejects. Some small, common animals like opossum, skunk, robins, etc. are edible, but I'll let YOU, Wilby..., catch one or shoot one and eat it. Raw, with ketchup, if you like!
"Yum-O!"
--Rachel Ray, TV chef
Stay away from starving gangs, unless you have a reliable gun and a lot of ammo.
In not getting angry at you any more; Ill just make fun of you like you try and be a stupid prick to me and others, which is one strong personality trait of yours, IMO. The dominant one, IMHO.
Can anyone try and backlash(verb in this context) an insult against Wilby...? the same way he did to them?
I'm starting to have fun, even if I'm off topic and NOT! specifically addressing Wilby... in my original posts to others. More than a few may think he's a smartass.
Opinions are welcome. I'll continue on-topic when I have more time.
AFTERTHOUGHT:
I realize I was on-topic about the animals. Utilize them in the wild if you can catch them. City rats are fairly polluted, though.
--Lee
first, gold cannot be broken down by the stomach, you need aqua regia to dissolve gold... your hazmat experience in the usaf was obviously all for naught. ::)
second, the rest of your response is nothing but gross hyperbole and ad hominem. ::)
third, i don't live in a heavily populated area...
fourth, i didn't insult you as you are recommending to others to do to me... i simply corrected your error.
"communicating badly and then acting smug when misunderstood is not cleverness" -randall munroe
as an aside, i recall you bloviating the same mantra you just spewed about libya in regards to greece and other countries you previously mentioned. strange... the global economy didn't collapse back then. ::)
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on March 08, 2011, 02:50:07 PM
...first, gold cannot be broken down by the stomach, you need aqua regia to dissolve gold...
Big deal. I learned that in school. I've known what gold can do to the body since I was a very young teenager.
I perceive you extend the amount of information I give for a given post and then insinuate I'm lacking in basic knowledge. If I can obviously see this to my personal satisfaction, so can others. I hope, anyway. I posit to others, for their consideration, that you exhibit a superiority complex. AISI.
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...your hazmat experience in the usaf was obviously all for naught. ::)...
It served me well in the USAF. You imply you know more about what I did in the Air Force than I do? You weren't there. "Obviously", huh? Sure. Like you know all about it.
I gained most of my knowledge from reading texts. I didn't work with gold in my Air Force job specialty. Didn't need to. Something wrong with that?
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...second, the rest of your response is nothing but gross hyperbole and ad hominem. ::) ...
Okay, those words aren't normally part of my vocabularity, so I looked them on the 'Web.
Strong exaggeration and serious insults? To you? I'm being facetious
and sarcastic: Please stay the same Wilby we know and love. People know what you told them on other posts; they probably won't forget, either. Your attitude towards some others on the boards has been similar to the way you write to me. I've read some of the posts. And you wonder why I'm berating you?
I 'm just trying to explain myself as to what I mean. I'll leave it to the Members to decide for themselves as to what I say means anything to them.
Cherokee proverb:
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...third, i don't live in a heavily populated area...
I still don't know where you live. It doesn't matter. No place is safe if it's populated and fairly often uncomfortable if it's not populated.
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...fourth, i didn't insult you as you are recommending to others to do to me... i simply corrected your error. ...
There are small common animals that no one eats---yet. Mice, for instance. It may come to that in the future.
On topic: Try and be creative in your diet if you're starving in the future. Crickets and worms that have been washed may be delicious if you're dying without anything.
Oh, you did call me a "big minok". I give up on the definition. It might mean someone whose scatterbrained or confused. That's all I could find on the 'Web.
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..."communicating badly and then acting smug when misunderstood is not cleverness" -randall munroe ...
My first thought was to apply that you.
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...as an aside, i recall you bloviating the same mantra you just spewed about libya in regards to greece and other countries you previously mentioned. ...
I admit I'm seldom at a loss for words. But I won't apologize for it, either.
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strange... the global economy didn't collapse back then. ::)
Out of time on this computer. Look at the Soviet Empire, Third Reich, the Hun Empire. They all fail sooner or later. All of them. This one will, too. Don't believe me if you don't want to. I said I don't care what you think.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 08, 2011, 11:54:32 PM
Big deal. I learned that in school. I've known what gold can do to the body since I was a very young teenager.
then why did you explicitly declare that gold would be harmful to ingest?
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 08, 2011, 11:54:32 PM
I perceive you extend the amount of information I give for a given post and then insinuate I'm lacking in basic knowledge.
i haven't "extended" anything... it's not my fault if you fail to qualify what you are saying, it's yours. ::)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 08, 2011, 11:54:32 PM
I gained most of my knowledge from reading texts. I didn't work with gold in my Air Force job specialty. Didn't need to. Something wrong with that?
then why did you reference your usaf hazmat training with respect to gold being hazardous to ingest?
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 08, 2011, 11:54:32 PM
I still don't know where you live. It doesn't matter. No place is safe if it's populated and fairly often uncomfortable if it's not populated.
of course it matters where one lives... ::) uncomfortable is subjective. i would posit that it is simply not convenient enough for you...
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 08, 2011, 11:54:32 PMOh, you did call me a "big minok". I give up on the definition.
it's a play on words with a starwars reference: see mynock... it was a little quid pro quo, i know how you love to trade ad hominems, like your second to last post where you called me a "schmuck"...;)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 08, 2011, 11:54:32 PMOut of time on this computer. Look at the Soviet Empire, Third Reich, the Hun Empire. They all fail sooner or later. All of them. This one will, too. Don't believe me if you don't want to. I said I don't care what you think.
--Lee
is the library closing? bummer. ;) yes, indeed those empires have failed. but again,
none of the currently existing countries that you have been bloviating about in this thread for nearly two years have collapsed have they? not greece, not ireland, not egypt... etc. etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseam.
The Wis. State legislators went behind closed doors and stripped collective bargaining from State workers rights to "close" a state budget gap. And that's against the state's public closed door laws.
The workers were understandably furious. Taking away those work protections effectively breaks to union's bargaining power in binding arbitration. The workers may even think they be a slave to upper management at the whim of the Governor.
Angry, scared can people do things that more than just they will regret later. That's about all I'll say.
--Lee
I think that planting food in secret gardens on land that does not belong to you(if you don't own any) is a far better thing to do than to argue among ourselves here.I think we agree that something bad is going to happen.Or is happening or has happened already.Also learning the shelf lives of foods would be a good way to prepare if you can prepare for whats coming.Pastor Larry Rice has energy fairs here in missouri.He teaches classes on solar power,steam engines,biodiesel,and woodgas.I hope to attend one so I can meet him.triffid
Don^t cry for Japan! They had kiled Whales, polluted Earth, this is answer for them, diese verfluchte, gelbe Banditen. ???
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I think that planting food in secret gardens on land that does not belong to you(if you don't own any) is a far better thing to do than to argue among ourselves here.I think we agree that something bad is going to happen.
We agree. There're several worldwide problems acting at once to make the "economic recovery" less certain. Dr. No(vak), immediately above this post, is being judgmental, but people are really about the same everywhere, including
him having a poor attitude toward others who aren't like him. It isn't just him, it is a lot of other people who're contributing to the downward slide of the civilized infrastructure.
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Or is happening or has happened already.Also learning the shelf lives of foods would be a good way to prepare if you can prepare for whats coming.
We can all try. Fortunately, my luck has held out. It's saved my life in the past, but since I have no influence on world affairs, I'll have no choice but to rely on it in the future as well.
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Pastor Larry Rice has energy fairs here in missouri.He teaches classes on solar power,steam engines,biodiesel,and woodgas.I hope to attend one so I can meet him.triffid
Religious clergy are sometime motivated by what they think they believe is right for them in their religious texts---and money usually figures prominently in this, too.
I belong to a congregation, so I know firsthand whereof I speak. These kinds of people need to take responsibility for their actions. "Creative Science" and "EnergeticForum", the free energy outfits, come to mind at once. Their agenda is what they want to put forth, whatever that is.
--Lee
It is even worser my friend. What i mean (and is shown in first post on my party site), it will be good when only 3-4 Arians will be left in Poland. The rest can go out (raus). But some 4 mlns will go one way only: nach Neue Auschwitz. This which were directly involved in destroying of my country and betraying of Mein Fuhrer.:-( Heil www.facebook.com/nsppp
I do cry for Japan.They are our friends.triffid
I hope that Japan will never goes up from this. They have 》200% debt, it will be hard to. Fukushima was main port bound with whale killing, so Nature is not speedy but, as said years ago Lech "Euroschwull"(Eurogay;-]) Walesa about Poland: we will have second Japan here soon...:-)
The atomic bomb was americas number one secret weapon but you never hear much about americas secret weapon number two; here it is:
http://www.simegen.com/writers/lois/pykrete.htm
triffid
Boats made from ice!!! http://www.simegen.com/writers/lois/pykrete.htm
I saw pykrete on modern marvels this morning.It was to be a ww11 secret weapon.Make boats that were unsinkable and almost bullet proof.triffid
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I do cry for Japan.They are our friends.triffid
Good, triffid. I wouldn't want to have the bad karma of some people around here who don't care about Japan's misery. That's a
really! bad situation.
The worldwide economy could be affected by this ongoing nightmare in Japan. As it is, ~10% of the electrical grid in Japan is "down the toilet", so to speak. And that's permanently. This problem is more than just *long term*, even if the TEPCO engineers can stop the radiation today.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 18, 2011, 02:06:40 PM
...The worldwide economy could be affected by this ongoing nightmare in Japan. As it is, ~10% of the electrical grid in Japan is "down the toilet", so to speak. And that's permanently. This problem is more than just *long term*, even if the TEPCO engineers can stop the radiation today.
This might be the beginning...
http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/23/autos/toyota_us_plant_shutdown/index.htm?source=cnn_bin&hpt=Sbin
http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/17/autos/gm_suspends_production_japan_supply_shortage/index.htm?iid=EL
--Lee
Some reasons to be hopeful maybe mankind can leave this planet and live elseward.You can also earn a degree in space studies. http://rimstar.org/space/index.htm triffid
http://www.amuonline.com/space-studies/?utm_source=google-amu&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=planetary%2Band%2Bspace%2Bexploration&utm_campaign=CT%20-%20Aero
earn your degree in space studies.triffid
Some interesting insights into the future of mankinds ventures into space in particular our plans for the moon.
http://rimstar.org/space/path_to_space.htm triffid
just parking this here http://www.x-rates.com/ currency exchange rate to show the decline of the US dollar. triffid
) The Four Investment Assets You Do NOT Have to Report to the U.S. Government:
1 Open a Foreign Bank Account (under10000), 2: Buy a Little Bit of Land (overseas), 3: Create a Trust to Protect and Build Wealth offshore, 4: Gold in the Bank keeping bullion in a private and secure place overseas
) The World’s Most Valuable Assetin a Time of Crisis:
Farmland. "I suggest you seriously consider a private land deal. Quite literally, you should investigate buying a plot of farmland.
But if your only option is the stock market, my favorite is a company called Cresud (Nasdaq: CRESY). Action to take: Put it on your watch list and buy it when it trades for less than book."
) Secrets of the Silver Market:
Silver Wheaton (NYSE: SLW)
) The "Quitter's" Secret â€" The Easiest Way in the Markets to Make 100%:
selling short-term put options â€" or “naked†put selling…
there you have it!
so does anybody believe we are about to face an economic collapse? are any of these good ideas?
Some cons to read on the ideas I presented above .Please read before doing anything. http://greenlaserreviews.com/2011/02/10/4-investment-assets-not-report-government-stansberry-end-america/ triffid
so does anybody believe we are about to face an economic collapse? are any of these good ideas?
Check out the Crash Course at http://www.chrismartensen.com Porter Stansbury's focus is rather narrow when compared with the 20 vid clips of 2-10 mins each that lay out the 3 E's Economy, Energy, and Environment (resources).
WilbyInebriated said:
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...note: all of this seems rather political and not economical, isn't this thread about an imminent economic disaster...
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...ok chicken little... may your prophecy forever self fulfill. ::)
How about in a few months?
http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/alert-nuclear-economic-meltdown-in-progress
I'm also not the only one who said something similar to the above prediction.
See above. I admit religions use textural material to make their point. I think it's relevant now, though. The few voice
(s) 'crying in the wilderness' have been 'few and far between', but I'm not surprised by Wilby...'s disbelief. He's like a lot of people, and I don't take him any more seriously than he takes me seriously.
The nuclear/economic disaster in Japan is something as serious as the North African/Middle Eastern revolution in terms of oil. Both can 'gang up' and 'double team' the world economies to trash many of them with unaffordably high prices and short supplies, both at once, which then spiral out of control in a vicious downward cycle.
Months of this getting worse and worse (very possible, especially in Japan) will, I anticipate, cause the worldwide economy to implode. As I said before, triffid and I've been saying this for many months.
Can anyone think of a remedy?
I don't agree with some of the chrismartenson article. Gold and money won't be worth anything if food is gone. Commodities are very barter-friendly.
--Lee
I think the planting of secret gardens is a must,learn how to purify water,learn how to make fire without matches.Buy canned foods now,buy candles and matches.Buy stuff now while you still can.triffid
SECRET GARDENS that look like weeds or brushpiles may keep you fed.A regular garden tells other people that food is here and thus you run the risk of other people harvesting your crops before you do.learn what wild plants can be eaten.You can always plant from seed those wild plants that you like.No altered DNA there.Lambs quarter looks like a weed but you can cook it like greens. spinach,etc.Clover can be cooked and eaten although its not really a food that you will gain weight on.Pine tree bark and pine needles will give you some nutrition if you make a tea or soup from it.triffid
Quote from: Doctor No on March 16, 2011, 09:30:39 AM
I hope that Japan will never goes up from this. They have 》200% debt, it will be hard to. Fukushima was main port...
I finally agree
A! LITTLE! BIT! with the "bad" Dr. (Nazi Quack) No(wak).
Take a look at this:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Rising-oil-prices-beginning-apf-1311732829.html?x=0
That's not all. One or more reactors are experiencing ever more physical stress as the sea water which was poured over the cores left tons of oceanic salt behind. That stuff is
really! bad for reactors! Pouring fresh water over them is a drop in the bucket. They need several megatons of fresh water in thousands of barges or a pipeline from the nearest river---which they don't have.
This is looking worse and worse. Rolling blackouts in the Japanese economy is economically crippling, and the low industrial production is affecting the American industries. (See above.)
I'm concerned about a depression more than the radiation.
--Lee
Now Portugal is asking for a bailout.It seems the euro is going the way of the dollar.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_portugal_financial_crisis;_ylt=AmcVHDijStg8cOnV5c7xFcpH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTNlYTcwNmFtBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTEwNDA2L2V1X3BvcnR1Z2FsX2ZpbmFuY2lhbF9jcmlzaXMEY2NvZGUDcmFuZG9tBGNwb3MDMTAEcG9zAzEwBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDcG9ydHVnYWxzZWVr triffid
"We've been lulled into thinking we are passing our debts off to our kids some time in the future. Surprise - we're the kids expected to deal with it."triffid
Stock up on food now. Hyperinflation is on its way. triffid
And Dodge is running a commercial for their new improved Durango that gets an amazing 23 MPG on the highway, and like 18 in the city. WOW !
Next time you fill up your gas. guzzler at the pump, and laugh at someone for riding in a funny looking Prius, look instead in the mirror and open your wallet, now that is something more to laugh at.
If your gonna buy a new car in 2011, demand that it gets around 40 MPG on the Highway.
Demand that the USA starts taking in more Smart Diesel Cars that get around 60 MPG,
And Stop laughing at the little cars, and start laughing at the Passenger Cars that come with HEMI's in them.
When they start rationing gasoline again, like they did in the 70s, how many miles will you be able to travel with your 5 gallon every other day limit?
Suggestion: Borrow your friend's Prius, you can go maybe 300 mile on 5 gallons.
I still blame Regan for doing away with the MPG improvement legislation when he got into office.
We could have forced the Detroit cars to have gotten closer to 50 MPG average driving by now.
Enjoy your new Durango with voice activated everything, and the Diet Coke Dispenser.
Government shutdown looming. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/09/us-usa-budget-idUSTRE7321P120110409 triffid
government shutdown averted at last minute! http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0409/Federal-shutdown-averted-at-last-minute triffid
???
Quote from: triffid on April 09, 2011, 02:21:17 AM
government shutdown averted at last minute! http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0409/Federal-shutdown-averted-at-last-minute triffid
Unbelievable. They couldn't even agree on a measly 61 billion in cuts. It had to be trimmed to 38 billion.
That's like a penny in comparison to the whole budget. What a joke.
I see no hope to stop the National Debt from spiraling out of control. These politicians are evil beyond compare.
I think our leaders will continue to make our lives interesting and continue to keep us off balance with their thoughts and actions.This money crisis is just going to get worse because nothing is being done to stop it.I remain hopeful that one can still pan enough gold in several states to make a difference.States like alabama,Indiana,Michigan,and others still contain enough gold to be panned and sold for cash.I learned back in the 1980s how to pan for gold.I suggest that others learn how to do it too.triffid
Squatters rights for all 50 states.http://www.lawchek.com/resources/forms/que/advposs.htm triffid
Since everyone in the USA will be broke and homeless we will all be squatters so you better learn what your rights are.triffid
Underground greenhouses http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Walipini_Underground_Greenhouses triffid
An interesting article. http://custom.yahoo.com/taxes/article-112485-2306a83f-c6fe-3fe5-af62-1d7e48c47870-most-tax-efficient-man-wsj triffid
Does anyone else remember that the PROMISE from Republicans, both before the 2010 elections and after, was that they would cut $100 billion from the budget? I do! So, that means the Republicans got about 38.5% of what they said they were going to get in cuts. This is not even half of what they said they would cut from the budget, yet Republicans are claiming some victory. Getting 38.5% of what you asked for seems like a loss to me. It reminds me of Charlie Sheen continually saying that he's "winning", when we all know better.triffid
Every Republican that voted for this BS cut will have its head on the block.
The Tea Party will show no favorites to traitors. Victory? Bullsh-t!
No more dumping debt on the young. It's time to pay the piper!
Somehow though, I believe we've reached the point of no return.
Very, very sad indeed.
Hi RR ,we have reached the point of no return.I do have hope.I trust in god but not in man.We are the brainy ones who survived when the other branches of man went extinct.I trust that when times are hard people will help each other.triffid
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Underground greenhouses http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Walipini_Underground_Greenhouses triffid
Concerning the 'underground' aspect greenhouses, a bomb shelter might be a good idea.
Japanese TV reporters got to within 1 mile of Fukushima and the radiation was too heavy to continue closer. People are suggested to evacuate further away from the reactors. I wonder why? Sarcasm!?!? >:( :o ::) This disaster is getting so bad, it's poisoning the Japanese landscape!
UPDATE:The Japanese Govt upgraded the severity of the Fukushima disaster to that being equal to Chernobyl. And there's
a lot more fuel available to melt at Fukushima.
--Lee
Gas is at $3.89/gal where I am at here in st.Louis,mo. The media is devoting tons of coverage to the higher gas prices.What they should devote coverage to is our lack of planning for them.How people should go back to living their lives in a five mile radius from their homes.You go to school,Live your whole life and die within a 5 mile radius from the home you live in.Thats walking distance for most people.triffid
big m I like the bomb shelter idea.I have a basement so I might be part of the way there?triffid
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Gas is at $3.89/gal where I am at here in st.Louis,mo. The media is devoting tons of coverage to the higher gas prices.
And you don't live in Calif. like me. It approaching $5.00/gal in some places---Southern Calif., for one. San Francisco is high enough. The prices will continue rising through the summer, analysts say.
So, you have a point for MO, but I imagine the East Coast is in a similar situation.
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What they should devote coverage to is our lack of planning for them.How people should go back to living their lives in a five mile radius from their homes.You go to school,Live your whole life and die within a 5 mile radius from the home you live in.Thats walking distance for most people.triffid
Most people are smarter than average on this forum; that's why they're here. They converse with more intelligent people like themselves. The average American may or may not think of being proactive in terms of money-saving tactics like living closer to work until they have harsh reality shoved down their throats---and then they'll be pissed off about it.
"Par for the course", as the adage goes.
Quote from: triffid on April 12, 2011, 08:45:51 AM
big m I like the bomb shelter idea.I have a basement so I might be part of the way there?triffid
Well,
maybe almost. That's a double positive
(bold letters), like an oxymoron in reverse, right? :o ::)
Seriously, there might be a problem overhead with your house, since it's not made of steel and is made of wood? Is it like an apartment house or condo made of concrete and rebar with a steel frame?
Otherwise, you might have to go through the trouble of pouring more concrete, thus thickening the floor against heavy radiation
after taking a concrete saw to cut a man-sized opening in the floor. Can these saws be rented?
Then, dig a sub-basement that's more insulated from radiation with the additional concrete overhead. You might get by with
many! sandbags over the sub-basement instead of pouring more expensive concrete. Or you can be safer and do both. Store your cans/bottles, medicine, blankets&beds/cots, guns/ammo, etc., etc. down there until you need them.
--Lee
Concrete blocks to build a small room would be a good idea.You really need to worry only about gamma rays.About 2-3 inches of aluminum would take care of most of it.A sheet of newpaper stops most beta rays.Aluminum foil stops most alpha particles so you are left with gamma.triffid
I do mean 2 to 3 inches of solid aluminum.That would take care of your alpha and beta rays too.triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 12, 2011, 06:13:40 PM
Concrete blocks to build a small room would be a good idea.You really need to worry only about gamma rays.About 2-3 inches of aluminum would take care of most of it.A sheet of newpaper stops most beta rays.Aluminum foil stops most alpha particles so you are left with gamma.triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 12, 2011, 06:15:36 PM
I do mean 2 to 3 inches of solid aluminum.That would take care of your alpha and beta rays too.triffid
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ber3ENERfGwC&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=gamma+ray+penetration&source=bl&ots=IaNqY3HnF-&sig=pmNIYjsC3GHTxPdjQ7akua-4Tac&hl=en&ei=SOykTajbAYaisAPK-Ln6DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFkQ6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=gamma%20ray%20penetration&f=false
(The I-book above gives a scientific set of examples on radiation penetration.)
Now, the basement block structure seems okay, but unless you spend money to shield the roof of this structure, I assert that no shielding overhead won't help you. What you might do is shorten the internal height of walking headroom inside this structure and set blocks on top of the structure walls. Aluminum plate may not be easy to acquire. Cinder blocks for walls, and so forth, should be widely available. You might fill the reinforcing voids in the blocks with dirt, or whatever is similar.
However, space may be cramped inside.
--Lee
Big M,your google ebook is very impressive.Yes cinder blocks ,dirt,bricks,rocks,water,and in general mass of anykind.Lead is best to shield with.I have seen lead bricks at the university of arkansas many years ago.I had relatives in okla who tore lead pipes out of a house they owned.And melted the lead pipes to make fishing weights.So fishing weights and lead weights used to balance tires might be collected and melted down to form thin metal sheets of lead.if the radiation comes from an atomic bomb blast a great deal of those radioisotopes are shortlived(about two weeks).I dont know about the radiation coming from the reactors in trouble in Japan.But I know that dilution of these radioactive elements will protect most of us.
triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 13, 2011, 06:40:22 PM
... if the radiation comes from an atomic bomb blast a great deal of those radioisotopes are shortlived(about two weeks).I dont know about the radiation coming from the reactors in trouble in Japan.But I know that dilution of these radioactive elements will protect most of us.
triffid
Right. Atomic bomb radionuclides are short-lived, but extremely radioactive at the same time. Longer life stuff like the infamous strontium-90 gets into the bones through the diet the same as calcium, since it's chemically in the same elemental group. A strong causal agent for bone cancer. Chernobyl was a heavy producer of Sr-90.
Distance dilutes the radiation, fortunately
(!), but still, no one on the West Coast like me can get away from it as long as I have no economic wherewithal to move way north or south. Think of those who rode out Hurricane Katrina---and didn't live through it.
Otherwise, the fallout between bombs and reactors is pretty much the same. Same kind of manufacture.
--Lee
here are details of shelters.It seems that three feet of earth on top of a hole in the ground is a good way to go.If you are in a basement you do want sandbags in front of the windows. http://glasstone.blogspot.com/
triffid
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on September 03, 2009, 11:29:16 PM
this is the current trend on a national rate and not by state. ...
Unemployment rate percentages over the years. ...
... lot of people tend to stick with one area now a days and lose out on the benefits of migration.
Jerry ;)
(The above quote is from Reply #4, pg. 1, this thread.)
I agree with the lack of migration. It used to work for me back in the early 1980's, but not now. It's a waste of time and money traveling now. Every part of the country is hurting for jobs. It's that way in AZ and CA. I've been in both states in the last 3-4 years.
--Lee
Some details how past nuclear explosions and how the weather dispersed the isotopes.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/155/3768/1405 triffid
04/11/11 - How oven rust could be the key to unlimited fuel that will power anything
Rust from ovens could be the key to making unlimited amounts of cheap fuel that could power anything, scientists have discovered. A team used ceria, which forms when ovens are heated, to strip oxygen from water and carbon dioxide and leave them with the basics of a liquid fuel. They said that potentially this fuel could be turned into cells which could power machines or converted into a natural gas for a generator. The researchers used ceria, which is the oxidised form of cerium and forms in self-cleaning ovens, to make their discovery. The first phase involved heating the ceria to 3,000F (1,650C) using concentrated sunlight so that it naturally released oxygen from its surface. When the temperature was lowered the researchers observed that it sucked oxygen in - as if it were ‘inhaling or exhaling’ depending on the temperature. When the researchers added water and carbon dioxide and lowered the temperature, the ceria stripped the oxygen away, leaving hydrogen in place of the water and carbon monoxide in place of the carbon dioxide. Hydrogen, or H2, and carbon monoxide, CO, together can be used to make fuels. Professor Haile, said: ‘You could use the H2 and CO to make methane (natural gas) for a gas-fired electricity generator. ‘Or, because the fuels we produce are so pure, they could be easily used to run fuel cells, which generate power very efficiently.’ She explained that because cerium is 100,000 more plentiful than platinum, which had been used in previous similar experiments, it made the process much more affordable. She added that more tests need to be done to make it more efficient. ‘As a second step, it will be important to develop materials with even better characteristics than ceria,’ she told Physorg.com. ‘Ideally, one wants a material with a smaller temperature swing required as this will also increase efficiency. - Full Article Source
The above post might be the way to create unlimited amounts of methane very cheaply.triffid
how to make a smokeless fire and other neat tricks like how to make fire with compressed air.http://chrismolloy.com/www/p136 triffid
how to find food and water outdoors. http://chrismolloy.com/www/p135 triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 14, 2011, 08:58:21 PM
how to find food and water outdoors. http://chrismolloy.com/www/p135 triffid
At one time, I had an Army manual on Improvised Weapons Manufacture for the behind-the-lines-operative they deliberately wrote for someone limited in education in order to generate local partisan support for American military objectives. (They gave them to locals to overthrow dictators, etc.)
I lost the book after moving several times and then going out on the streets.
--Lee
Big m,I wish I could find a copy of that manual. Here is a website with various calculators. http://www.gordonengland.co.uk/conversion/temperature.htm triffid
Tonight was a very productive night for me.I discovered an overlooked method of splitting water and you don't need electricity.Its all chemical but a flame is involved.Water can be split with 3000 degree f heat but this overlooked method uses 700 degree f heat.It takes.23 of the temperature.I will sum it up as"what is a grease(oil) fire"? I was stunned to realize this.triffid
From my earlier post tonight on fire If water is played on burning oil or fat the water particles are exploded and the oxygen and hydrogen of the water feed the fire, increasing its intensity and spreading the danger.Burning fat or oil burns at 700 degrees F.So I have known for years not to use water to put out an oil fire but no one told me why.triffid
So burning fat or oil will split water into hydrogen and oxygen then burn that hydrogen and oxygen acting like a catalyst of some kind.Without electricity.Using some heat energy plus oil molecules.triffid
One of the hottest, most intense fires you can make is to burn water and oil together.About the easiest method is to place a steel or iron plate on a couple of stones 1' [30 cm] above ground level. Light a fire beneath this plate to make it really hot and while it is heating up arrange a pipe or narrow trough about 2' or 3' [60 or 90 cm] long. One end of this pipe or trough is over the centre of the plate, and the other end is 1' [30 cm] or so higher than the plate. Into this top end of the pipe arrange, by means of a funnel and trough, water and sump oil to be fed down the pipe to the hot plate. The proportion of flow is two or three drops of water to one drop of oil. When the water and oil fall onto the hot plate it burns with a hot white name of very great heat. The rate of flow can be governed by cutting a channel in corks which plug the bottles holding the water and oil, or if tins are used, piece holes in the bottoms of the tins and use a plug to control the flow.This type of fire is excellent for an incinerator when great heat is required to burn out rubbish. It also makes an excellent 'Campfire' where strong flame and light are required and wood is in short supply.
So this has been overlooked or not recognized for what it is.Another method of splitting water then using that method to create more heat.Yes this is open source now.triffid
I may have to retract myself on this.I have no proof that water is being split here.It could be that the water is instantly turning into steam.thus expanding the fire.Not adding to it.Oil smokes at about 400 degrees F.The volume of water expands when it turns into steam.It is possible to put out a grease fire if you pour 500 gallons of water on it.According to Mythbusters (2009 season).I guess we need some experimentation on this.I am not set up to experiment.triffid
Hi triffid,
I agree with your last writing here. You are pouring an immiscible fluid onto a very hot surface, and this will very rapidly cause a layer of steam to form between the liquid and the hot metal surface. The whole mixture will begin to skirt across the metal surface on the gaseous layer, the gas will expand into the liquid and rapidly increase the volume of the entire mixture. This will cause your violent mixture to spread in every available direction almost instantly.
If it was a separation of hydrogen and oxygen in the correct stoichiometric ratios you would have an extremely explosive gas just itching to detonate at any available heat source; and it wouldn't be just any old detonation. Just ask people on this forum who have ignited small volumes of correctly mixed hydrogen and oxygen. Even a small amount would DETONATE and leave your ears ringing and all the hot oil shot in every direction. You would have been badly burned. My guess is there would probably have been a fire involved as well. Maybe not, it might have just blown itself out everywhere.
Thankfully that did not happen.
I agree with you RR.I jumped without looking too hard.I so badly wanted it to be a new way to split water.One reason why I am not working as a chemist and you are.Plus the fact I once got interviewed for a chemistry job by a man without a face.It had been blown off in his lab three years before. Since then I do most of my chemistry with paper and pencil. triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 16, 2011, 09:07:53 AM
I agree with you RR.I jumped without looking too hard.I so badly wanted it to be a new way to split water.One reason why I am not working as a chemist and you are.Plus the fact I once got interviewed for a chemistry job by a man without a face.It had been blown off in his lab three years before. Since then I do most of my chemistry with paper and pencil. triffid
Now you're talking, triffid.
I've never done chemistry research
without pencil and paper, since I've never had the money, privacy, or training to do the job without possibly killing myself. Same for high voltage.
Splitting water molecules can be done with cold fusion, OR, going the Brown's gas route, yes?
Speaking of water:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110416/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake
Kukushima is 6 times the size of Chernobyl with an additional 150%-200% more spent fuel rods on top of that. Iodine is percolating into the Pacific again. There could be dozens of cracks. Ground penetrating radar? Computer generated explosive-initiated seismographs? Is somone not thinking over there?
What else is there I didn't see? I'm open to suggestions.
--Lee
I hope that we will all find overunity here.I hope we all find answers to what we are looking for.I hope I can find something that was overlooked.I found something in 2004 that was important.I spent a year and a half writing up a patent for it.I then found out someone wrote up a patent in 1962.Same idea.I don't know what upset me more.The fact that someone invented it before me or the fact that it had been ignored for 49 years.
It had to with solar power.I found a way to make a flat mirror act like a parabolic mirror.It can be any size.I made small models for less than $10.00 each and they were dangerous.A 2x4 would catch fire in 4 seconds.If you looked at the bright light too long you could go blind.triffid
So for now grease fires do not split water into oxygen and hydrogen.When water is added to a grease fire it only spreads it.Same for oil fires.triffid
lee what your doing is a blevy explosion. old hat in the oil industry.
blevy stands for "boiling liquid expanding vapour explosion"
nasty stuff in a big tank when the water on the bottom starts to boil, kicks some oil out the top and then flashes to steam
with the pressure release blowing much more out.
note fuel tanks almost always have a little water in them.
fritznien
So I guess its a good thing that we figured out that this is not a good thing?That a near truth or half truth would have have continued were it not for our sharp eyes???I got the info from a survival website in the first place.Do they know they are in error?triffid
http://chrismolloy.com/www/p136 is in error on oil fires splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen. triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 19, 2011, 01:27:50 PM
http://chrismolloy.com/www/p136 is in error on oil fires splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen. triffid
I'm going to say yes he is wrong. water reacts with carbon under the right conditions to release H2 and CO.
for coal gas, coal is burned then the air is cut off and steam injected to start the reaction. as it cools steam is
switched back to air to reheat the carbon.
in the case of your grease fire, the grease is too cool to react with the cold(relatively) water.only the oil vapour is on fire.
also the oil already has a lot of hydrogen bound to it.
still a bad idea to throw water on hot grease/oil.
fritznien
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 03, 2009, 03:37:48 PM
@christo4_99
You're right. I'd say we've got a few week left until the American public realizes this scenario can't go on. Then the "defecation will hit the airscoop".
--Lee
It's taken longer than I might have thought, but still, past history is just plain no practical joke to poke everyone in the ribs to make us all flinch. "The Collapse" still coming if the Ancient Roman Empire is any guide. Nothing whatsoever goes on forever, with the famous (theological?) exception of infinite space. Things always change and everything on this planet is no exception---Earth isn't infinite. People don't change radically, but they can learn--especially with pain.
I suppose I've considered the following as collapse contributors:
1) Worsening conditions at Fukushima-Daiichi
2) Conflicts North Africa and the Middle East causing oil shortages
3) American financial debt
4) European financial debt---especially Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Spain
5) American stock market instability
6) Other countries stock market's instability
7) Continuing natural disasters worldwide
The list is incomplete. Can anyone think of more things...?
Time is up on this computer.
--Lee
On hulu.com you can watch past shows of the outer limits.Certain shows take you into futures where all of mankind have been wiped out and only 3 or 4 elite survive.Stark reminders that everybody is important,That everyone is important to somebody.In time all of us will die and new people will take our place.This is the way its always been.The earth will be here long after we are gone.I'm not talking about mankind being gone .I'm talking about me being gone.I think we all here at overunity want to make a difference.Yesterday I heard Donald Trump say that the rest of the world is tearing america apart.It can only happen if we allow it to happen.So we decide our fates by what we do or don't do.We have the power to bring america back.I do see the money becoming no good much like Germanys money after world war two.triffid
What I see is the government making any money I have worthless at the stroke of a pen.It happened in Germany in summer of 1947.Money that people had saved up became worthless overnight .triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 20, 2011, 11:00:07 PM
On hulu.com you can watch past shows of the outer limits.Certain shows take you into futures where all of mankind have been wiped out and only 3 or 4 elite survive.
I was a teenager at the time, but I know what you mean.
"One Step Beyond" was rather similar. All episodes were said to be based on actual events that were recreated publicly for TV.
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Stark reminders that everybody is important,That everyone is important to somebody.In time all of us will die and new people will take our place.This is the way its always been.The earth will be here long after we are gone.I'm not talking about mankind being gone .
The New Testament's "Book of Revelations" indicates that the earth will be destroyed by fire. Some New Agers disagree. I'm waiting for something to happen. The way the economy is now, time's getting short.
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I'm talking about me being gone.I think we all here at overunity want to make a difference.Yesterday I heard Donald Trump say that the rest of the world is tearing america apart.It can only happen if we allow it to happen.
We have enemies, but we can decide to defend ourselves. Will John Q. Public do that?
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So we decide our fates by what we do or don't do.We have the power to bring america back.I do see the money becoming no good much like Germanys money after world war two.triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 21, 2011, 08:29:00 AM
What I see is the government making any money I have worthless at the stroke of a pen.It happened in Germany in summer of 1947.Money that people had saved up became worthless overnight .triffid
People never learn. Politicians run the country, but aren't any smarter than the average Joe on the street, so I think you're right, eventually.
They'll have to take responsibility for their actions, though.
NOTE:
This is the 999the post on this thread. A very successful thread. I believe this thread's poll is the biggest one on the whole OU.com Blog Board.
Who'll post #1000?
triffid, take a look at this:
"Stingy megabanks swimming in cash"
(the computer wasn't set to 'copy' the edit icon on the browser bar, so you'll have to look it up on GOOGLE. Sorry about that.)
--Lee
looks like I have 1000th post here.I saw a ray of hope today.certain states,a handful, are doing what the feds won't.Lead their cities towards renewable energy. http://www.nmsea.org/ triffid
california was in this group too. other states too http://www.dsireusa.org/links/ triffid
looking at big minok's boots, i don't think he realizes how deep it will get... ;)
Quote from: triffid on April 21, 2011, 07:04:02 PM
california was in this group too. other states too http://www.dsireusa.org/links/ triffid
Yeah, I live here, so I know it's a liberal state. People are getting pissed off at politicans like those in WI---especially the Republicans. Four are about to be recalled and I imagine they'll get booted out of office "---especially the Republicans", as I said immediately above.
There're really big problems around the world getting out of hand and people are beginning to get fed up with being pushed around by thugs and arrogant nitwits. I strongly suspect this will end badly for a few schmucks in power now.
--Lee
yeah willy, I like the picture.hes clueless just like me.triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 21, 2011, 07:59:45 PM
yeah willy, I like the picture.hes clueless just like me.triffid
With respect to posted Reply #1002, this thread.
Now I'm going to say it! LOL!?!?!?!? ;D ;D ;D
I trying to be facetious! I think triffid knows he's kidding about the picture in Reply #1002! There are reasonable and smart Members who post on this thread. I was also being dramatic for levity. He should know that. We get along well, as anyone who reads our posts can see. Kudos, to triffid.
Actually, we do have a few people who really do harangue the tourists at the Powell St. cable car turntable. They get on the bull horn and implore the populace to refrain from 'fornicating' and being 'gay faggot sinners who're going to hell
(!)'
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/harangue
They remind me of Dr. No(wak), the neo-Nazi!! People laugh and argue at them all the time. Example: A transgendered woman approached
an assistant of the speech maker standing next to the speaker's platform. Her tip of her nose was only about 8"-10" from his. Nobody could hear her exact words, since the people around her were laughing or talking. But! she was yelling loudly into his face---probably---that she was as good a person as anyone else and that God should have made her by His will the way she was on purpose because He doesn't make mistakes. (exclamation marks for her words here)
<--- !!!!!Right! As an Asperger's sufferer, I know what it's like to be insulted like the religionists
can do to some people like her,
but I agree!, not all do. Some religionists are tolerant of others' differences, whatever those differences are. I, of course, am too.
She had a valid point, IMHO, but challenging a man bigger, stronger and probably a better fighter is a risky decision. She wasn't hurt, though. Fortunately. Just laughed at.
That's just one day's occurrence in the slum where I live. This place is crazy! I'm looking for another place now. Hope I find one in okay condition for Section 8.
--Lee
Nature usually finds a way to clean mans messes. Oil spills in the ocean have oil eating bacteria Gold mines in africa have gold reducing bacteria.Now plastic eating bacteria! http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/30/plastic-eating-bacteria-found-in-ocean-desert-scientist-says/?iref=obnetwork triffid
I am usually good natured and like to joke and laugh a lot.I like and respect big M a lot.I would like all of us here at OU to get along.I know it doesn't always work out that way.Its just human nature to disagree sometimes.We had tornados in the st.Louis area last night and the airport was hit.I have a house near the airport so this morning I will worry about it some.I will not go see it until I get a phone call or sometime next week in the course of my normal activies.triffid
So far I have not seen my house or street on the tv news so I will cross my fingers for good luck!!Last week I lost my way and got off on the airport exit and went through the front of this airport.Now to think that a lot of those windows are busted out! Its still raining here. Triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 23, 2011, 09:51:29 AM
So far I have not seen my house or street on the tv news so I will cross my fingers for good luck!!Last week I lost my way and got off on the airport exit and went through the front of this airport.Now to think that a lot of those windows are busted out! Its still raining here. Triffid
Oh, I forgot, triffid! You moved to the St. Louis area recently? Very unfortunate with all the damage. A miracle that no one was killed!! I have distant relatives on my late Dad's side of the family living in and around St. Louis. They're lived in that area for about 250 yrs, from the real pioneer days. I mean the "Wild West" of the MidWest.
Oh, also, I'm concerned about the Middle East. Continuing unrest can badly destabilize the region. Worldwide, and in this S.F. slum Tenderloin district I live in, people are becoming royally pissed off at the "business as usual"
status quo that's been going on for decades.
People eventually could get so angry they take it out on others, even if it hurts themselves in the meantime. They may not give a d@mn any more.
--Lee
I really don't like st.Louis But I have had family here since 1957.I figure that staying here for two years could fit into my plans.I really want to go to alabama in two years time.I think the middle east will continue to have unrest and the price of oil will go up to over $200 a barrel.It seems to be what the so called elite want.I have no doubt that there is a small group of people who control the prices of everything for the rest of us.This small group needs to realize that everyone is important and that life in underground bunkers could become stale and boring.Life is to be lived and not put on hold.I would rather take my chances above ground than below it in underground bunkers.triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 23, 2011, 05:09:09 PM
...I have no doubt that there is a small group of people who control the prices of everything for the rest of us.This small group needs to realize that everyone is important and that life in underground bunkers could become stale and boring.Life is to be lived and not put on hold.I would rather take my chances above ground than below it in underground bunkers.triffid
Right, very good. If oil goes to $200/barrel, there would probably be a depression, and the economy would collapse. The powerful "elite"
may be a great deal of the problem, but people's greed and fear can be just as big a problem. I've never seen any great betterment in the general attitude of anyone's society in recorded history. People do the same things as their ancestors did, and this goes back to the beginning.
--Lee
Some pocket stove designs you can make from tin cans.I'm looking for small woodburning stoves myself.These might use alcohol as a fuel.I know some do. http://www.instructables.com/id/Pocket-Sized-Camp-Stove-The-Improved-quotPenny-/ triffid
Check this design out.You can burn paper ,wood ,etc in it.You can cook for a family on this stove! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSMR2ANIZ7E&feature=related triffid
Cooking burgers and steaks on a rocket stove. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dbnChDOpRo&feature=related triffid
A solar cooker of unique design,no need to track the sun! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC6-MMRHJdw&feature=related triffid
How to make a cooler for your food.Uses evaporation of water.No electricity to cool your food. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfKgOpJc7Ps&feature=relmfu triffid
how to make a stone age back pack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHlSWtUIMC8&feature=related triffid
how to make a rocket stove from clay and mud. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FWzkkwagsA&feature=fvwrel triffid
how to build a self feeding fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpjnlkfCKOE&feature=fvsr triffid
Survival fishing with no metal hooks. http://www.youtube.com/user/HedgehogLeatherworks#p/u/16/Qu0yNFrGdwM triffid
How to become invisible.I hope this works. http://www.hedgehogleatherworks.com/category-s/89.htm triffid
One way to trap food. http://www.hedgehogleatherworks.com/Figure-Four-Deadfall-s/64.htm triffid
S&P did NOT change, even by one tiny notch, its “AAA†rating for U.S. government debt. It merely changed its future “outlook†for the rating.
S&P did NOT have the courage to do what’s right for investors and for the country today. It merely said it might do something a couple of years from now.
Worst of all, S&P has done nothing to change its practices that have caused so much pain for investors in recent years. As before, it’s typically quick to upgrade its best-paying clients, but often delays meaningful downgrades until it’s far too late.
It’s the Greatest Financial Scandal of Our
Time, and the U.S. Government’s Triple-A
Rating Is the Most Scandalous of All.
In proportion to the size of its economy, the U.S. government has bigger deficits, more debt, plus bigger future liabilities to Medicare and Social Security than many countries receiving far lower ratings from S&P, Moody’s and Fitch.
SO THE DECEPTION CONTINUES.Triffid
More ideas on the no need to track the sun solar cooker I posted a day ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X24sj-EsmMQ&feature=related triffid
I went yesterday to check on my house that is three miles away from the airport here in st.Louis and found no damage from high winds.There was tornado damage to areas two miles away from my house.This terrible weather is not over yet.There were seven tornados south of dallas,texas last night.triffid
Another video on the solar tyre cooker.Pay attention to the cooking pot!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRMc-9-sR2s&feature=related triffid
test
Bottle cutting with solar power.Also forced air heating with bottles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP40BDFF1cQ triffid
BE SURE TO SEE THE VIDEO ALL THE WAY TO THE END.
Quote from: triffid on April 26, 2011, 10:31:37 AM
I went yesterday to check on my house that is three miles away from the airport here in st.Louis and found no damage from high winds.There was tornado damage to areas two miles away from my house.This terrible weather is not over yet.There were seven tornados south of dallas,texas last night.triffid
Unfortunately, spring is just getting into full swing, and this is a really bad year for floods and tornadoes. Is your house near a creek or river? The Missouri or Mississippi?
Levees are overflowing in the upper Midwest. Very Serious!
--Lee
No my house is not near a creek or river.The mississippi is about 8 miles away I think.Today Im looking at a bunch of heirloom seeds my brother bought a year and a half ago but never planted.Since they are that old I expect about 70% or higher are still viable.triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 27, 2011, 09:48:07 AM
No my house is not near a creek or river.The mississippi is about 8 miles away I think.Today Im looking at a bunch of heirloom seeds my brother bought a year and a half ago but never planted.Since they are that old I expect about 70% or higher are still viable.triffid
A wildlife documentary on the Discovery Chanel or something like that years ago, had bristlecone pine seeds that were saved and preserved for, say, 50+ yrs. They all germinated when planted.
New seeds from recent pine cones failed to germinate about 30% of the time. The point was: Pollution now was worse now than it was 50 yrs. ago, obviously.
It was an object lesson. Are your seeds healthy?
--Lee
I hope so.they are from Big John Lipscomb's survivalist seeds bank.I have seen his video on secret gardens.And water filtering.Take a look at this piece of disturbing news.Never mind the money going bust.In 2008, The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation began a five-year grant program designed to "promote innovative ideas in global health." The first batch of $100,000 grants included a proposal "to turn mosquitoes that normally transmit disease into 'flying syringes,' so that when they bite humans they deliver vaccines."Flying syringes!
What could POSSIBLY go wrong with THAT idea!?
To Your Good Health, triffid
Charlie Brown said it right for that.
"GOOD GRIEF"
But then, wouldn't that kind of thinking be something
he would come up with. To this day, I am totally surprised
that someone didn't off his ass. All the crap he did and all
he got was anti-trust suits and so on. Oh well.
thay
Quote from: triffid on April 28, 2011, 07:49:26 AM
...."promote innovative ideas in global health." The first batch of $100,000 grants included a proposal "to turn mosquitoes that normally transmit disease into 'flying syringes,' so that when they bite humans they deliver vaccines."Flying syringes!
What could POSSIBLY go wrong with THAT idea!?
To Your Good Health, triffid
Well, a virus could mutate inside a mosquito, whether the CDC cares about it or not. The mosquito then turns into a "zombie" mosquito?? 10 feet long?? The whole bug mutates like a science fiction monster??
:D ;D >:( :o :P :-\
The politicians could volunteer for AIDS vaccines case studies/trials and do something
USEFUL for the country!!
I've never, ever had the flu, but everyone else in my family has. I might have a double deletion of CCR5 delta 32, which has a strong resistance influence to AIDS, plague, and possibly(?) tuberculosis. Maybe the flu as well?
REEDITED UPDATE:Survival-oriented, self-sufficiency-slanted PDF's; and many of them are electrical/electronic in nature:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7748.0
Otherwise, they're sold retail by Creative Science ( http://www.FuelessPower.com ) and they're
not cheap either.
--Lee
I made some hard copies of a few of those Pdf files recently and plan to put a metal plate upon the roof to see what kind of voltage I can get.I will try to remove it before a storm comes.I was lucky the tornados missed my house by a couple of miles.Right now there are flooding concerns all over the state of missouri including branson.triffid
I heard some good advice this morning and decided to pass it on here."Spend less and plant more."Thats it.Have a good day.triffid
Last night I watched ancient science on tv and learned the recipe for sudden fire.Sulfur,naphtha,quicklime add water to a mixture of this and you get fire.I had to look up naphtha and this is what I found. Originally the term naphtha designated a colorless flammable liquid obtained from the ground in Persia. Later it came to be applied to a number of other natural liquid substances having similar properties. Technically, gasoline and kerosene are considered naphthas.This is a very old recipe for making fire without sparks.Maybe 3000 years or older.triffid
water and quicklime mixture alone will heat up to over 500 degrees f.Then the naphtha catches fire which catches the wood on fire If wood is on the pile.triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 30, 2011, 08:52:11 AM
water and quicklime mixture alone will heat up to over 500 degrees f.Then the naphtha catches fire which catches the wood on fire If wood is on the pile.triffid
Gov't 'C' Rations come with their own heating means in the form of a salt water bag that you cut and pour the contents into a special container. The salt water reacts with the content(s)---whatever it/they is/are, and the meal heats up without smoke or visible flame. But, I think the thing gives off something like ammonia or such. Use in a ventilated area, like outside or in a cave/tent entrance.
triffid, look out for the tornadoes!
There's 2 more months in the tornado season, and Alabama and Tennessee have already been hit hard.
--Lee
We are getting more rain tonight and tomorrow.I was hoping that the month of may would be dryer.They are predicting three whole days this next week without rain.Oh boy! triffid
Check this out!A house made out of bottles! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIx6f1DrQIo&feature=related triffid
More on tito and his house made of bottles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFOJJUL0i8E&feature=fvwrel triffid
more tips on building with recycled materials. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPDh2vlsmNk&feature=related triffid
Another house made with recycled materials. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ALpBCGnyU0&feature=related triffid
building small might be the way to go???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJLSoUkh1Vs&feature=related triffid
How about using pallets to build with? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SLf3eSjXr4&feature=fvwrel triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qcXzdXnOQg&feature=related make a chair with pallets triffid
More free tiny house. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fbNVqK7ifo&feature=related triffid
More on tearing apart a wooden pallet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtPmUZ-k3aI&feature=related triffid
Smart people all over the world are using their heads and hands to create solutions to their housing needs.My last several posts here show people who found a way.They made their videos hoping to inspire others to find their way.triffid
Pallet houses don't have to look trashy.Take a look at this design. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z7WI2v1Mh8&feature=related I'm thinking greenhouse here too. triffid
Cinder blocks and pallets can be put together to make temporary tables or stands.I saw several at a grocery store.A true inspiration.triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Std5taGTP6I&feature=related low income homes from recycled materials. two more parts to this video if you are interested. triffid
The name says it all.Mississippi river boat made from plastic bottles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViTvNoqyrcs&feature=related triffid
A little more simple raft design. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLeYH8sMAA8&feature=related triffid
How to make a canoe from plastic bottles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLeYH8sMAA8&feature=related triffid
A very interesting video on making an igoo from plastic milk jugs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdHBY2Axqdw triffid
Some ways to recycle a 2 liter bottle.I thought the birdhouse was a good design. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1XBSoovQtY&feature=fvwrel triffid
Another video on igoo building with milkjugs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aS_FI4I4KI&feature=related triffid
over the past week I sprouted some heirloom seeds of the wapsipinicon tomato.At least half of the year and a half old seeds sprouted.I got busy transferring some of them to tin cans with dirt in them.In another week I plant on transfering some of them from the cans to their permanent spots in the yard.triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 01, 2011, 01:19:28 PM
over the past week I sprouted some heirloom seeds of the wapsipinicon tomato.At least half of the year and a half old seeds sprouted.I got busy transferring some of them to tin cans with dirt in them.In another week I plant on transfering some of them from the cans to their permanent spots in the yard.triffid
don't forget to harden the plants by putting them outside in the sun at least a few hours a day first.
fritznien
I forgot about that but they will be in shade anyway for a week.Its raining here again.We are supposed to have some dry sunny days this week.Maybe we will? triffid
Some fun science tricks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_f3SkxTWxc&NR=1&feature=fvwp triffid
Let's see, we're looking for places to cut back on spending. The aid to Pakistan for hiding Osama Bin Hiden is at the top of my list!triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 02, 2011, 08:57:53 AM
Let's see, we're looking for places to cut back on spending. The aid to Pakistan for hiding Osama Bin Hiden is at the top of my list!triffid
After it was announced today that Bin-Laden has finally been killed, will may now find out if your above statement is true. ;)
Quote from: Bulbz on May 02, 2011, 09:18:16 AM
After it was announced today that Bin-Laden has finally been killed, will may now find out if your above statement is true. ;)
...to it.
Are we safer now that he's dead? The economy is still in the same bad shape it was before. Killing Osama bin Ladin won't forgive us of the national debt.
Everything's the same, right
(?), except that he's dead.
p.s.
@triffid and all,
I have a "bench" Forum on www.overunityresearch.com in which I'm experimenting with a low voltage radiant energy device already mentioned on the 'Web. The Forum is open to all.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on May 02, 2011, 02:54:44 PM
...to it.
Are we safer now that he's dead? The economy is still in the same bad shape it was before. Killing Osama bin Ladin won't forgive us of the national debt.
Everything's the same, right(?), except that he's dead.
p.s.
@triffid and all,
I have a "bench" Forum on www.overunityresearch.com in which I'm experimenting with a low voltage radiant energy device already mentioned on the 'Web. The Forum is open to all.
--Lee
one less mastermind criminal.
In the 1970′s all other commodities were racing ahead of the price of a barrel of oil or “leading†oil. That is what is happening today. A gallon of gasoline IS GOING to be $6.70 very soon.
If silver and gold continue to reflect the declining value of the dollar by requiring more and more dollars to buy them, then it is foreseeable that $60 silver and $2000 gold will mean $8.68 per gallon of gasoline by July. The $60 number is coming from traders of the largest jewelry buyer in the world, India.triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 02, 2011, 09:21:33 PM
In the 1970′s all other commodities were racing ahead of the price of a barrel of oil or “leading†oil. That is what is happening today. A gallon of gasoline IS GOING to be $6.70 very soon.
If silver and gold continue to reflect the declining value of the dollar by requiring more and more dollars to buy them, then it is foreseeable that $60 silver and $2000 gold will mean $8.68 per gallon of gasoline by July. The $60 number is coming from traders of the largest jewelry buyer in the world, India.triffid
doesn't matter to me, I live in a small town and it takes me 10 minutes to walk to work which I enjoy anyhow. I only need the vehicle once a month to go get groceries 50 miles away.
I feel better off with him dead.First of all it proves he is mortal.The ideas he stood for may still live on.But it does provide closure for a lot of people who were harmed by him.About 8 months after 9/11 I was in NYC looking at the gaping hole where the world trade center had been.I saw millions of glass particles in the streets around the hole.A testament to the fact that there were a lot of windows in the buildings.In 12/2000 I was in NYC on the first floor of the twin towers.I was there nine months before 9/11.And once again 8 months later.I felt nervous because I knew terrorists wanted to bring it down since 1993.Finally I felt better because I felt nothing bad would happen the day I was there.Still I felt better when I left the place.triffid
Here in the st.Louis area gas is just under the $4.00 mark.I saw it today at $3.86 per gallon.Across the river in Ill it is about a dollar more because of state taxes being added.I have seen local news stories of droves of drivers coming across the river to buy cheaper gas.When the price jumps up too high people will change their driving habits.triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 02, 2011, 09:59:32 PM
Here in the st.Louis area gas is just under the $4.00 mark.I saw it today at $3.86 per gallon.
You got a deal!! I'm in Calif., and $4.00/gal is a thing of the past. It's expected to hear the all-time record shortly, nationally.
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Across the river in Ill it is about a dollar more because of state taxes being added.I have seen local news stories of droves of drivers coming across the river to buy cheaper gas.
They do it in Mexico from stateside cities, as well. The price will climb in Mexico, too, as a result.
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When the price jumps up too high people will change their driving habits.triffid
Right; I think discretionary driving on the weekend is already being affected. It'll get worse toward the summer.
More likely to the thread subject?
Have people heard of Rachel Maddow? She's a media/political/social anchorwoman/commentator in cable TV(Channel 56 in my area).
She maintained Osama bin Ladin was trying all along to bankrupt the whole country as quickly as possible by making everyone afraid of his terrorism and then having us spend money on security.
Lots of money.
Seal Team Six ended his plans for the financial ruination of everyone.
--Lee
the_big_m_in_ok said:
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...Seal Team Six ended his plans for the financial ruination of everyone.
Speaking of financial ruin in the short
er run:
Housing prices are still falling quickly...
Yahoo has an article on the subject. This borrowed computer WON'T allow copy and paste on the Internet!!
You might GOOGLize the first 5 words in the 1st sentence of this paragraph.
Also, Greece is still teetering on collapse. The Greeks are complaining that that aren't paying for the German bank's bailout that
they didn't cause.
No, they took the easy money from the Greek govt. and social services.
Somebody has to pay for that, eventually.
--Lee
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2010 on May 02, 2011, 09:40:26 PM
doesn't matter to me, I live in a small town and it takes me 10 minutes to walk to work which I enjoy anyhow.
Do you live near a creek? Even if the Mississippi is 8 miles away, a creek can still back up 8 miles.
--Lee
Quote from: Bulbz on May 02, 2011, 09:18:16 AM
After it was announced today that Bin-Laden has finally been killed, will may now find out if your above statement is true. ;)
Maybe Bulbz has a point.
Americans are getting tired of the Turks taking the American aid money and not doing what they say they promised in return. There're probably Islamist factions in the Turkish Govt that support the Taliban.
Also, as it stands now with the European econom(ies), Greece is fragile at best. Riots are becoming rather more common in lately, with increasing severity. The parliment building in Athens was besieged and a bank was torched. 3 were killed.
I don't think there's any good end to this. European countries are weaker than the U.S. and they'll realize this eventually. Europeans may not be the least bit happy about it and could go looking for a scapegoat in their own govt's.
Finally, news reports from the Syrian border make the situation as bad as Libya in the city of Misrata. Refugees say it's really, really bad. What happens when several of these regional countries' economies are semi-permanently or permanently "in the toilet"?
The whole region is looking like a wasteland for the cities with refugees straining their neighboring country's borders.
--Lee
What i see from above writings, you all trust the official version of 9.11. And because of it, you will never understand even general Principe of CNF. But it is good. Very good:-)
Quote from: Doctor No on May 17, 2011, 02:22:50 PM
What i see from above writings, you all trust the official version of 9.11. And because of it, you will never understand even general Principe of CNF. But it is good. Very good:-)
There's a 9-11 coming
everywhere when most or all the world's economies suffer a monumental depression. What happened so far is a 'ripple in the pond' compared to the Fukushima tsunami.
I look at patterns I can see in world news accounts. David Foster, the news cable TV columnist and journalist says he can see political patterns in what he reports and he's often correct in his analysis.
Well, I use something similar to survive with. I know how b@stards like you think. I'm descended from the ancient E. German von Brandenburgs, some of whom were ancestors of the WWII Nazis. I know what I'm talking about when I say I know how people think. Certainly, how they and you think.
And this isn't in the 'official' "Gov't handout"!
I don't care where you live, no one can escape the future. Nobody goes on forever. I'm 61 and I'm not afraid of the future. I'm not insulting people like you do, and that kind of thing will catch up with you eventually.
I know I can't hide from whoever wants to read this, and I'm not trying.
Oh, der Fuhrer 'Dr.' No(wak), (whom I think had Jewish ancestors in Poland or Germany 300-500 years ago), you can't hide from the 'boys at Langley', either, but you can always
try! and run. Won't do you any good. bin Ladin found that out the hard way. You can, too.
--Lee
So please tell them, that flying to Poland with military planes can extremaly dangerous to be;-] Short electronic fail out and no control over plane. Understood?
Sorry I have out of touch with this group for about three weeks and it may be three weeks more.I have been busy protecting my house wiring from copper thieves.Yes it was taken once and could be taken again if the house is vacant.So I have been camping out in my house.Candles at first,now LEDS for lights.St.Louis is full of copper thieves and I blame the lack of jobs plus the fact these scrap buyers ask very few questions.Make no bones about it there are people willing to tear down anything you build if there is a short term profit in it for them.triffid
Today I am at a mcdonalds using their wifi connection and my computer.I have been learning the mobil phone aspect of www.overunity.com.Since I can recharge the phone in the car.I can still read some of whats posted onOverunity.com.I can't respond.But I can read some threads.triffid
Someone named electricgoose started this thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10708.0
which is important enough to read. I saw this on my mobil phone.triffid
A very simple gasifier.A paint can and a bean can with holes punched in to allow air to mix with the woodgas before burning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgu9BdHeUYg&feature=related triffid
A more serious application of wood gas.Powering a 10 kw generator. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db2lNvG9xlg&feature=related triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 21, 2011, 09:15:15 AM
A more serious application of wood gas.Powering a 10 kw generator. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db2lNvG9xlg&feature=related triffid
Not a lot of time on this computer. Hard to see without glasses, too.
Missouri is getting more rain shortly. Water, water, and MORE water down the Missouri and Mississippi!
Look out for the May 21st Doomsday prediction!?!? Crackpot.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on May 21, 2011, 05:25:28 PM
Look out for the May 21st Doomsday prediction!?!? Crackpot.
--Lee
that's the pot calling the kettle black... ::)
what makes harold camping's doomsday prediction any different than your doomsday prediction? other than he set a date.
I made a hobo stove many years ago and cannot seem to find a good u-tube video clip on the one design I made.I took a one gallon tin can.Opened up one end with a can opener.Turned it upside down.Punched holes with the sharp pointy end of a bottle opener to let the smoke out at the new top of the can.You can use the rim of the can to punch about six holes on the sides.Cut a square door(opening ) on the bottom of the can so you can feed the fire.Tools I used were tinsnips,can opener,the sharp pointy end of a bottle opener.I could set the pan on top of the tin can get a fire going and cook a meal.triffid
I also like setting a large cast iron skillet across two bricks on a fireproof surface and build a small fire underneath it.I cooked a lot of bacon and eggs this way back in i979-1980.triffid
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 21, 2011, 05:32:00 PM
that's the pot calling the kettle black... ::)
I'll call both black if I perceive them to actually be black. I'll also come back to this statement later when I have more time, although I wouldn't ordinarily answer you personally. There'll be time and a reason for that later.
"Stay tuned", Members and viewing public.
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...what makes harold camping's doomsday prediction any different than your doomsday prediction? other than he set a date.
I already said...did I not?...somewhere else on this thread?...that historical fact predicts all I said, as well as what the
demonstrated! crackpot Reverend? Pastor? Minister? Harold Camping alluded to: Everything ends anyway. He just interpreted the Bible to an exact day and the Bible says nothing about a specific Day of Judgement.
Essentially, rather paraphrased: No man knows when or where The End will take place. It simple will.
Did any number of ancient empires come and go after some period of time? The Third Reich? The Russian Empire of the Cold War? It always happens.
It's just the Mayans said Dec. 21, 2012. And they somewhat indicated only that a new cycle would begin.
In a special documentary on the Discovery Channel or National Geographic, the last five Mayan sub-cycles ended with them either walking into the forest to start all over again from the hunter/gatherer stage of culture, or something like the Spanish Conquistadors ending the Mayan's culture for them.
If there was going to be a future cycle after 2012, then the prediction from past yearly, decade, century cycles will have been that:
A) Half the people will eat well and the other half will "have difficulty."
B) The people will come together for one, common cause and work with full cooperation.
I could say the European enonomies are teetering on the edge of a chasm, and that Spain's financial books are about to reveal their banking problems equal that of Greece's, but then the Europeans may be in for a financial collapse of their own.
Bottom line: It's happened before and it'll happen again.
There is no specific day. I should have said so elsewhere. If not, I say it here.
@WilbyInebrated
That was the good news. I'm going to take some time later and tell you some things and then let the OU Members judge for themselves whether or not I've made any point as to what I think of you means anything to them or rings true to them or not. I'm short on time now.
@triffid
Good luck on your house. I think you should already have an exit strategy if you need one and the "creek rises."
Gotta go.
--Lee
you prove my point perfectly... you're just another "crackpot" prophesying doom and gloom. everybody dies... all empires fall... WOW!!! THANKS FOR TELLING US THE OBVIOUS, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS. ::) as far as "the end" simply taking place, that is an assumption. things might go on forever. you don't know.
you are 'the pot calling the kettle black' when you call someone like harold camping a crackpot.
what you think of me is irrelevant... ::) this isn't a popularity contest... try yahoo teen chat if that's what you are looking for.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 22, 2011, 05:03:01 PM
you prove my point perfectly... you're just another "crackpot" prophesying doom and gloom. everybody dies... all empires fall... WOW!!! THANKS FOR TELLING US THE OBVIOUS, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS. ::) as far as "the end" simply taking place, that is an assumption...
Oh, and you live forever? Are Adam and Eve around? Honestly, you write like some kind of human computer with a large database of knowledge that you're fond of letting everyone in on a little bit, as long as it's your personal point of view. Your logic is
always sound and your intelligence is
demonstratably higher than mine? And you berate me for having a peculiar opinion different than yours? Even quite a bit different than yours?
I'm doing personal research and I occasionally give offand opinions to other Members based on that experience. Most people aren't as strident against me in their opposing opinion as you are.
I have very high functioning Asperger's syndrome and my research reflects that permanent, genetic feature of my personality. It's been in my Dad's family for hundreds of years in America and England.
Several times in my life I've been the brunt of bad jokes and snide remarks from arrogant people like you. It's happened so often, I expect it from the likes of you.
Arrogant people have done that to me most of my life, so, rather than continuing this complaint, I'll let the Members whom you've had to deal with formulate their opinion of you themselves. From what little I've read of your posts, some of them have a poor opinion of you
"not inventing anything original", for instance. You enjoy proving someone wrong, by your standards and
"rubbing their faces in it"---your personally opinionated truth?
I'll let someone think, and even critize, what they want to about my opinions. But I'm not going to criticize what they say with snide remarks. I don't have to treat people like that and have the enemnity some Members have had toward you. Oh! You don't give a damn, do you?
I've worked for employers who had the same attitude you do and they all went out of business. I think I'll let you do what you want---and this time I'll follow pix's advice and finally ignore you.
COMPLETELY.triffid and I will keep editing more information as we go along on this thread. All Members
BUT YOU are welcome to comment.
Time's up on this computer.
--Lee
At my house a large tree fell down.It belonged to the city so no cost to me.They came the next day and cut it up and hauled it away.No more big tree in the driveway.No more BIG TREE in the driveway.The wind blew the tree over or half of it anyway.The city cut the half Left standing down too.My point is that There are solutions once people start wanting them.While I do believe there are more bad times coming I also will try to post solutions here as I am able to find them.I did not grow up homeless but I did grow up cold and hungry in oklahoma.We used wood heat a lot in the winter.I once went 4 days without eating.A lot of people in the USA have not done that so they may think they have to use a gun to get food.I saw a LADY YESTERDAY GO GET FOOD FROM A FOODBANK.YES THEY WERE GIVING AWAY FREE fOOD!!!She did not have to point a gun at anyones head to get it.So any talk I hear about" better buy a gun" .I just roll my eyes and say"oh really?".triffid
While I did hear about the crazy preacher who gave a time for the end of the world taking the money of people who gave it to him.Some gave him everything because they would no longer need it!!!!I heard.I did not check it out cuz I really don't care.But when an 89 yo preacher who is predicting the end of the world takes donations you better smell something fishy.If he needs money you might too.triffid
More bad news for california . 33000 inmates to be released from prison before their terms are up.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/26/navarrette.california.prisons/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
No death penalty in Ill.inmates dont serve full terms in california.So whats next?triffid
So lets start penal colonies on the moon or send them to mars.It would be a real reason to go into space.Triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 26, 2011, 11:03:54 AM
So lets start penal colonies on the moon or send them to mars.It would be a real reason to go into space.Triffid
The science fiction author Robert Heinlein wrote about a penal colony on the Moon. They started a revolution and fought the Earth to a standstill, like the Afghans did to the Russians about 20-25 yrs ago. Good thing Heinlein's book was fiction. Would anyone like the Muslim Jihadis to the same thing to us?
Speaking of money, Belarus devalued their ruble by 10% to "improve" their Govt finances. People there are scared and want to buy commodities before they're unaffordable. The Europeans are probably watching.
--Lee
Electric cars that recharge themselves.Looks like this guy is on to something and theres a thread here on ou.com about him!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9720
triffid
More details on his electric car and him. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Ismael_Aviso_Self-Charging_Electric_Car triffid
Ths is what really excites me.There is talk of some kind of matter to energy conversion going on here.If so then we can light the darkest and heat up the coldest places in the universe with energy from matter.
In my opinion it is just a confirmation of what Jeo Newman has discovered and
there are really tiny gyroscopic particels ( the particels or waves that are the magnetic
field lines) converted into energy, so we have a very tiny small mass to energy conversion.
But as it is E= m * c^2 it is so powerful.
A quote taken from the moderator of ou.com
I have never thought of magnetic lines as forms of matter.I would guess it could be so since they come from matter(as an extension of matter).Since you in theory could bash magnetic lines together at the speed of light.Maybe there is a small matter to energy conversion going on here?triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 27, 2011, 09:35:01 AM
In my opinion it is just a confirmation of what Jeo Newman has discovered and there are really tiny gyroscopic particels ( the particels or waves that are the magnetic field lines) converted into energy, so we have a very tiny small mass to energy conversion.
But as it is E= m * c^2 it is so powerful.
A quote taken from the moderator of ou.com
@triffid
Have you ever heard of the following?
A New Age source I read about around 30 years ago... (they might not be around now, but I forgot who they were, anyway) ...said if you take two laser beams and point them directly at each other, turn them on simultaneously with equal power and brightness, they'll self-create nuclear and/or subatomic particles where the beams meet or possibly
? interface.
--Lee
I know for a fact that lightening during a thunder storm creates natural radioactive isotopes.Most have half lives of less than 70 hours.So these decay rather quickly as opposed to manmade isotopes which have half lives that are measured in years,not hours.Lightening of course is very bright.As far as I know no one has looked into how lightening forms these isotopes.Maybe this is a new project for a nuclear chemist out there?
I have often thought that since all elements could have have started from hydrogen that maybe all elements could be converted back into hydrogen?.This way we could take air into our car engines convert those gases into hydrogen.Use additional oxygen to burn the hydrogen .All of this using our atmosphere as a fuel tank.I have always wondered about matter into energy devices most always mentioned in science fiction.We are stlll very much in the dark when it comes to magnets.And that goes for light/matter interactions too.triffid
There are some very exciting new jobs for lasers.One new job I know about is in the area of transmitting power for the proposed space elevator that so many are working on.A ground laser power station beams power to the
cargo carrying platform.Lasers can reach beyond the atmosphere so they could transmit light energy to solar cells on the bottom of the platform.Go to u-tube type in space elevator and see what you find.triffid
Almost makes me want to start a lab in my shed or basement.triffid
With a working space elevator I guess those off world penal colonies could be a harsh reality unless someone invents a phantom zone like in superman.I saw one proposed plan where the earth has 50 space elevators the moon has three or more and so does mars.Imagine a world like that! Space travel for the common man!triffid
If magnetic lines of force could be used to convert matter back into hydrogen gas then we could tunnel at ease underground on any moon or planet we chose to be.triffid
Of course it could be used to kill people with but just like the gun we would have to learn how to live with it.triffid
The gun put man over the animals with razor sharp teeth and razor sharp claws.A matter into energy device could put man into any place in the universe he wants to be.Even if he has to carry his own" fuel" with him.Triffid
Well enough dreaming for now! Gotto go do stuff! triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 27, 2011, 09:02:10 AM
Electric cars that recharge themselves.Looks like this guy is on to something and theres a thread here on ou.com about him!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9720
triffid
I had to go on Peswiki, but I did get to the subject of the post. I like the idea very much, but unfortunately, there's no wiring diagram that I ever saw? That might make more sense to the average Forum Member.
NOTE, ON TOPIC:I see in the TV news that the housing industry is going through a double-dip downturn right now. The bubble created by the mortgage industry bailout is popping and the ballon is deflating.
triffid, is your house paid for?
Do you guard your place against copper thieves with a vicious guard dog? Might be a good idea if you don't mind dogs.
--Lee
My house is paid for.Due to a death in my family I got some insurance money and bought my house in st.Louis all cash.So I got a fantastic deal on it.This idea of paying for a house for 30 years is really for someone else not me anymore.If Our lifespans were to increase to 1000 years,I know the banks would come up with 999 year mortgages.So If a person can scrape together $5000 HE CAN BUY A HOUSE IN ST.LOUIS TODAY.Alabama I heard is cheaper.I have not looked there.Not yet.I bought my house for less than $5000 so it has some issues.But I am retired with SS coming in.I have time to work on it.It looks a lot like the house I grew up in.Since I came to st.Louis for my brother who has an ailing wife and other family issues My little house works for me.I have not paid rent to anybody since last november.I do not like st.Louis that much but I do have family here.I got an extra lot with my house.Someday I will put a tent on it and go camping!!! If gas goes to $6.00 a gallon I will.I see a lot of people here riding bicycles.I still don't like it that much but since I can pick and chose what I want I guess im ok for now.triffid
It seems to be the rule that if a house is vacant for any period of time copper thieves hit it.So I protected my house by my staying there letting myself be seen.I turn on the lights now that I have new wiring.I let people mow my grass since so many do whatever they can to scrape by.So people know I live there.I really don't like dogs for myself.Copper thieves hit my house before I even opened the door.Before I even got the key from the title company.So maybe you might want to come to st.louis first to see if your $5000 house still has plumbing and wires but I would lay odds against it.triffid
I had the plumbing and wires replaced.I have heard if you leave your place vacant for a few days they will hit again.There are people always watching so I let myself be seen at night.I heard of one place that was hit three times before the guy moved in.I used plastic pipe this time so they won't get copper next time.They do take water heaters to sell for scrap and furnaces in your basement.I had no hot water tank and no furnace left.I still have no furnance but learned I can get a used one for $500 and pay someone about $300 to install it.So I had some issues but its getting better now.triffid
It seems to me that bedini type circuits would work on a self charging electric car.They use the back EMF to keep the batteries charged as they go down the road . Once I get settled more I will attempt to build one using the parts from an old computer.There is also the Testikita device that I hope would power an elrctric car going down the road.triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 01, 2011, 10:06:01 AM
...There is also the Testikita device that I hope would power an elrctric car going down the road.triffid
Really? Can you get one to work? The original device in Switzerland was complicated and gave off radiation.
The Russians like to use a spark gap to simulate the radioactive diode in their design(s)
You might look at http://001.lab.com and ignore the Cyrillic Russian script. The go into a whole lot of different theoretical designs.
ON TOPIC:Beware of Monterrey?
"If Monterrey Falls, Mexico Falls"http://news/yahoo.com/s/nm/us_mexico_drugs_monterrey
(I tried this address in Preview and it didn't work!
The 'Web page
"could not be displayed" and then I double-checked the address---it's correct---which is why I added the title for those who want to to GOOGLize it.)
I'm not going to bother buying a gun in this state(Calif.) My medical diagnosis precludes my owning such a dangerous weapon.
However, Monterrey is only 140 miles from the border and
was a model of economic stability.
--Lee
There may be other problems with the testikita device such as creating thunderstorms with all the positive ions given off.I got to buy my large cast iron skillet for $14.95 brandnew from Marshalls here in st.louis.I have 2 bricks already so cook out time is coming!triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 02, 2011, 04:04:55 PM
There may be other problems with the testikita device such as creating thunderstorms with all the positive ions given off.
Wow. I hadn't read of that. Positive orgone generators are famous for that. One ran for three days in the African Nabib Desert, in Namibia, and it rained every day
for three days.Quote
I got to buy my large cast iron skillet for $14.95 brandnew from Marshalls here in st.louis.I have 2 bricks already so cook out time is coming!triffid
Right. The place where I live has already thrown one cookout this year when it was sunny. Pollution laws may or may not be severely enforced where you live. They are in Calif.
--Lee
Gas is predicted to go up $4.50 a gallon here in the st.louis area in july.The info on the testakita device was in another thread here on ou.com.I am going to a wedding in the morning(not mine).Now its in the 90s here in St.Louis.Just about everywhere I have been here in st.Louis I see barbecue grills.So I guess my two bricks and a large cast iron skillet should fit in.I have all the materials now to try out my solar tire cooker.triffid
Its amazing to see what junk lies in the backstreet alleys here in st.louis.Old tires for instance.triffid
I see lots of bicycles being used here.I guess with the higher gas prices coming its a smart move to get one.As long as your trips are about 5 miles or less?For the really hardy people trips of 10-15 miles would be practical.Of course the very weathly would buy gas no matter what the price.triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 03, 2011, 06:34:50 PM
I see lots of bicycles being used here.I guess with the higher gas prices coming its a smart move to get one.As long as your trips are about 5 miles or less?For the really hardy people trips of 10-15 miles would be practical.Of course the very weathly would buy gas no matter what the price.triffid
With respect to Replies #117, #118 and this one above:
I never tried to cook outdoors when I was on the streets, since the smoke could have been seen and reported as a "wildfire" or "range fire."
Good you're being self-reliant. Bikes are dangerous in the extreme here in S.F. Expensive, too.
I've been putting more time on me bench threads at http://overunityresearch.com near the bottom of the home page under the same handle name I use here. Anyone can go look for mouse-clicking on the 'Web address.
--Lee
Here is some of the negative info on the testakita device that I found.
I may have been wrong in saying it generates positive ions.It does take static electricity out of the air.as I will never build myself.I don't care too much but it does say it attracts thunderstorms.
15.9 The Testatika
An electrostatic device, which produces open electric field lines, is situated in Linden in
Switzerland. It optically is very imposing and belongs to a religious community, which
has called it Testatika and is of the opinion that it is a free energy converter.
Inexplicably the Testatika does not serve the community, which generates their electric
power conventionally and to a large extent by itself, as a source of energy. Instead the 2
kW device only very seldom is demonstrated for special occasions or to select groups of
visitors. The religious community after that explains the astonished observers humanity
not yet is mature for the technology.
Perhaps just the opposite is correct and the technology not yet is mature. According to my
personal assessment such an electrostatic device in principle is entirely unsuitable for the
continuous operation.
It can be expected that the open field lines sooner or later will interrelate with the
electricity of the air and thunderstorms are being attracted by the infernal machine so long
until lightning strikes and the demonstration with that has finished. That's why the
Testatika may be switched on only for a short time, only at sure weather situation and not
too humid air, and many a registered visitor has been sent away without having seen the
"thunderstorm machine".
As an object of demonstration and study the Testatika however is well suited. Alone the
circumstance that no cable leads to the device and it nevertheless releases energy in the
order of magnitude of 1 till 2 kW, surprises all visitors. At least the impression is mediated
as if the machine would violate the law of conservation of energy, which is not correct.
The Testatika is similar to an induction machine, which works with friction electricity.
Thereby the unlikely charged bodies do not have to unconditionally touch and rub at each
other, it already is sufficient, if they are brought in the immediate vicinity of each other. In
the case of the Testatika the electrostatics of two against one another rotating discs is
taken off by brushes.
The excitation energy presumably is taken out of the natural E-field, which just like that
can amount to 200 Volts per meter (see chapter 2.9). The large diameter of 80 cm of the
discs and their bad conductivity (acrylic glass) permit this conclusion. The charge taken
off by the brushes afterwards is temporarily stored in two capacitors of 2 Farad at 300
Volt, so-called Leyden jars. This far one actually is reminded of a Wimhurst generator, in
which the energy is supplied the system by turning the disc. Large powers cannot be
drawn by that. Plans to build such an induction machine by yourself have been
published.
In the case of the Testatika however two discs are used and by hand stimulate to rotate
oppositely. This rotational energy in this case isn't used to produce power, otherwise the
discs quickly would stand still again, but that doesn't happen.
Until now apparently no-one has discovered the secret, which is kept strict by the
members of the community. In my opinion the energy situation on our earth however is
too serious, as that we would be able to afford playing hide-and-seek and egoistical
secretiveness.
15.10 The secret of the Testatika
The crucial point is the opposite direction of rotation of both discs. If we assume the static
earth electric field is the cause and serves as an excitation field, then as an effect a field
arises, which stands perpendicular to that. The axial component now points out of the
centre of the disc.
In the case of only one disc the field lines in front and behind the disc again are closed, so
that no open lines can form. With one disc or with two discs rotating in the same direction
hence no unknown charges can be attracted.
In the case of two oppositely rotating discs however shows one component along the axis
of rotation to the observer, that of the other disc exactly in the opposite direction. In that
way between both discs a pole is ,,pinned", which no longer is able to close all field lines
on the outside around the machine. Thus open field lines and a, however incomplete,
unipolar arrangement are formed.
The charge carriers sucked from the electricity of the air as a result support the natural
electrostatics and speedy recharge the capacitors, even if up to 10 Amperes are taken out
by the consumers.
The ingenious thing of the machine is its extremely simple construction and the simple
concept.
If one includes the collected particles also in the balance sheet of energy, then it thus will
turn out that the law of conservation of energy is not violated at all. There thus can't be
talked of free energy. In this context the Testatika may rather be given as a
counterexample. Air ions are the carriers of the electricity of the air and not carriers of
free energy.
Negative air ions are indispensable for our welfare. One should only remember the first
men in space, who after the landing were pulled out of their capsule more dead than alive,
after they had to stay in the unhealthy atmosphere of the capsule for a longer period of
time. Only the installation of ionising devices for negative air ions made possible longer
staying in space.
The taking out of the air of negative ions hence is not unproblematic and not particularly
ecologically compatible. An atmosphere harmful to life is formed which Dr. Wilhelm
Reich has called DOR-state. He by the way has designed a Cloud-Buster, with which he
could take static electricity, forming above the desert sand, out of the air. In that way the
negatively charged rain clouds no longer are repelled and driven away. Reich has tested
his weather machine 1954 in the desert of Arizona. After he had freed the atmosphere of
the ,,DOR-strain", as he expressed himself, in the desert area the atmospheric humidity
steadily increased from 15% up to 95%, there grew prairie grass and everything started to
turn green, and eventually after many years for the first time rain fell again.
Static electricity, as far as the right polarity is chosen, may conditionally be used for the
mechanics of rain making. For free energy concepts it however isn't suitable. Already
Nikola Tesla has pointed to the circumstance that our hopes will be in vain if the free
energy would be of static nature (see fig. 9.5). He in his speech, which he gave 1891
before the AIEE, has left no doubt that free energy exists, which is kinetic and with that
energy technically usable for us,.
Chapter 16 will be occupied solely with this case.
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Interesting article. About the Testatica - the line which said 1 disc will not allow this effect - is wrong though, because the small Testatica had only a single disc.
Regarding Wilhelm Reich: I have read about this machine which produces rain and thunderstorm in short time as well. Also some of these events (sudden thunderstorm) were mentioned for specific UFO sightings, especially after World War 2 or so.
Here is an interesting free energy device in the kilowatt range. http://philica.com/display_article.php?article_id=219 triffid
With respect to Reply #1121:
Yeah, I always thought the Testatika looked like a Wimshurst machine that just produced a lot of power.
I said elsewhere on OU.com that the machine was invented during WWII and I thought the the inventors weren't smart enough to actually invent it on their own.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7229.0 (Reply #5, pg. 1)
ON TOPIC, EVEN IF IT'S NEGATIVE:
If you look at the national and international news, the 'double dip' of the Great Recession appears to have begun. Moody's may downgrade the American credit rating and several banks' ratings as well. The effects of that would be more than merely *far reaching*.
Europe and the Middle East are no fun spots to be in, either.
--Lee
Quote from: gauschor on June 03, 2011, 07:18:14 PM
Interesting article. About the Testatica - the line which said 1 disc will not allow this effect - is wrong though, because the small Testatica had only a single disc.
I wonder if the thing gave off magnetic monopoles? Tornadoes and hurricanes are said (read: rumored) to do so by "some" researchers, like New Age types?
--Lee
Looks like I made a gross error here When I was talking about the testakita device and said it gave off positive ions I really meant to say it produces positive charges.Which in turn draw in the negatively charged thunderstorms.Usually I don't make that bad an error.I was not drunk I swear!The wedding was a huge success! the groom and his groomsmen were dressed as chicago gangsters.Maybe a foretaste of things to come?If things get any worse.I was thinking about big ms comment on bikes being expensive.I had a friend who once upon a time found a bike tossed away in a dumpster.He took it home and fixed it(he was good at fixing bicycles).One could always ask for a free bike.Someone could give you one?If you want one in the first place?triffid
Ask on craigs list for your area.triffid
ASK ENOUGH PEOPLE AND YE SHALL RECEIVE!TRIFFID
Quote from: triffid on June 05, 2011, 09:15:11 AM
Ask on craigs list for your area.triffid
There is a www.craigslist.org for the whole S.F. Bay Area, landwise.
I had a bike once and found it to be expensive, even with a job to use it for transportation. Riding a bicycle in S.F. is too dangerous to be worth the effort.
Be careful of the Missouri and Mississippi rivers. Especially creeks that feed them as tributaries.
A flood is coming from the Dakotas and Montana. Mountain snows and heavy rains. Forecasters say it's potentially record-breaking.
--Lee
You're right I may need a boat as part of my missouri adventure? Thanks for the warning lee.Its hot and muggy today.triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 06, 2011, 10:14:29 AM
You're right I may need a boat as part of my missouri adventure? Thanks for the warning lee.Its hot and muggy today.triffid
And I agree. I lived about 60 yds from a dry creek bed in Tucson. The street in front of my house would flow from curb to curb during some rainstorms.
Where is the closest creek to your house? Is it wide? Or just a narrow "drainage ditch?"
--Lee
Don^t worry with weather. It is only on our behaviour dependant. What is more important now, please say us if: 1. Effects of radiation are already to see in California 2. Do You and overs know, that Your country is a real bankrupt from a week. In July, panic on USD will start, in Autumn we will see worlds economy collapse? (Don^t say it nobody, i say once more: absolutely nobody).
I don't know of any creeks although my lot is part of a wide drainage area.I do get lots of water from the other lots around.Maybe a shortsight on my part?I have two connecting lots.One has two drainage ports on it.One up near the front of the lot and away from my house and the other way in back where just trees are.I hope to plant water loving plants on it.I have not had the time yet to do so.I think I will as the summer wears on.Once again hot and muggy as weinergate continues.Radio djs here are having a fieldday with senators weiners problems.triffid.
Rocks Rocks Rocks on the moon rocks on mars What can we do with rocks???Rocks without mortar that is.Can we get water from them? Can we build shelters with them ?How about fences to herd the moon cattle?Or mars cattle?I think we should hold some kind of contest to come up with ways to build things out of rocks using no mortar.I bet we could come up with some pretty neat stuff!!I see lots of rocks in the backstreet allys of st.Louis.I already used some rocks to fill two holes in my yard.Free for the taking.triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 09, 2011, 03:01:00 PM
Rocks Rocks Rocks on the moon rocks on mars What can we do with rocks???Rocks without mortar that is.Can we get water from them? Can we build shelters with them ?How about fences to herd the moon cattle?Or mars cattle?I think we should hold some kind of contest to come up with ways to build things out of rocks using no mortar.I bet we could come up with some pretty neat stuff!!I see lots of rocks in the backstreet allys of st.Louis.I already used some rocks to fill two holes in my yard.Free for the taking.triffid
you can build a village.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skara_Brae
Yes we could build a village.After I asked that question I started looking around and started seeing chairs ,tables and benches that could be made from rocks.I could see how we would have machines that make square blocks out of round stones.Since there are millions on rocks on the surface of mars and the moon.There must be a thousand different ways or more to use them.Other than mining them for their metals and other stuff.All without mortar.Of course rocks could be fused by melting them.triffid
Better than as to waste time with rocks, please tell us if You have noticed problems in mobile communication?
Here is a link to another thread on this website where people are doing very interesting things to bedini motors
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7113.0 .For the first time today I saw where the bedini motor may be used for weapons.I see the potential of creating small black holes for a gravity drive.One motor got up to 150000 rpm.As an object acelerates towards the speed of light its mass becomes infinite.At 150000 rpm it creates the sound of jet engines warming up.If you don't believe me take a look at the thread I posted a link too and look on u-tube for the 150,000 rpm bedini motor. triffid
Maybe a really fast spinning rotor could act as a drill to create tunnels wherever we want?triffid
A quote I just found and liked. Production of useful work is limited by the laws of thermodynamics, but the production of useless work seems to be unlimited.
â€"Donald Simanek triffid
Quote from: Doctor No on June 06, 2011, 03:30:24 PM
Don^t worry with weather. It is only on our behaviour dependant. ...
Oh? There were ice ages happening before Man showed up on the scene.
Not human related.
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...What is more important now, please say us if: 1. Effects of radiation are already to see(seen?) in California...
The same thing happened at Chernobyl. This is less radiation than that was---so far. Plutonium is more than merely *poisonous*, though. It's getting worse in Fukushima, I realize.
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... 2. Do You and overs(others?) know, that Your country is a real bankrupt from(in?) a week. In July, panic on USD will start, in Autumn we will see worlds economy collapse?...
Oh? Really, now? How do you know this will happen when you say? Did someone tell you?
I'd say there are several worldwide problems that will quickly become unmanageable in the future,
but when that happens, I don't know. To the day, or month, that is.
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(Don^t say it nobody, i say once more: absolutely nobody).
Me? Don't say anything? Is that what you're warning? A Nazi like you? On the Internet?
People here aren't taking you seriously, unless you have an actual secret weapon that little Grey Aliens gave your group?
Are you in contact with some base in Antarctica? Honestly, I'm probably not the only one who doesn't believe you. Show us some electronic schematics and we might change our minds. This
is an open source Forum.
--Lee
Congressmen Ron Paul has a weekly update on whats happening in america.That hotline number is 1-888-322-1414.Last week he said that while the official unemployment rate is 9.1 percent the true unemployment rate is more like 20 percent.His hotline updates every monday so he has a new report every week.triffid
So unemployment remains a problem.The great depression had unemployment rate of 24%.It took world war two to bring us out of the great depression.11 % of the USA is on food stamps.If our true unemployment is 20% then we are already in a great depression.The government just hasnt told us yet.They tell us we are in recovery or whatever.You never tell the patient how bad he really is or he just might kick the bucket.triffid
It seems in St.Louis I have been seeing how hard it is for people to survive.People are washing the tin cans their food comes in and selling them by the lb to scrap metal companies for cash.Then everyone seems to be mowing lawns.I have no need to buy a mower.triffid
So sometime this week I wll be cooking out( if its not raining) on my two bricks and iron skillet.I have a ton of wood so I need a proper woodburning stove.Sooner or later Ill get one or make one.triffid
I just saw on the news that a 90 year old man just finished high school and recieved his HS diploma.He had to drop out of high school back in the great deprssion to help out on the farm.I could take that two ways.He finally finished something that he started.And I could really be proud of him.Or Is he insane?Who is going to hire a 90 year old man with a HS diploma?I am 59 nearly 60 who once in a while has thoughts of going back to graduate school.If nobody is hiring new people over 50 what chance does a 60 plus person have much less a 90 year old man? triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 13, 2011, 09:23:38 AM
So unemployment remains a problem. ...
Yep, you betcha.
The employment service I visit had a worker there say to someone else that the utilization of the computer room for job searches has increased quite a bit in the last 2 months. There's a reason for that.
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...The government just hasnt told us yet.They tell us we are in recovery or whatever.You never tell the patient how bad he really is or he just might kick the bucket.triffid
Exactly. They're printing money faster than ever. It's only a matter of time before people wake up and see that the economy is, in reality, built on a *house of cards*.
Bad social effects after that.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on June 13, 2011, 09:29:18 AM
It seems in St.Louis I have been seeing how hard it is for people to survive.People are washing the tin cans their food comes in and selling them by the lb to scrap metal companies for cash.Then everyone seems to be mowing lawns.I have no need to buy a mower.triffid
Steel cans are miserable to sell for scrap in this state(CA). ~1 cent/lb and a minimum of 25 lbs; then they take your camera picture and ID # from your license.
It's getting really bad everywhere
and!, I recycle as well. I can buy eggs, bread and sodas, sometimes.
--Lee
Hi folks, I've noticed this thread is staying on the charts.
Words of wisdom, i think, hehe. ;)
No matter what you see or hear, always try and stay out of fear for it works against you like those chinese finger torture toys.
Ideally, try and maintain the highest outlook for the world and try and maintain thoughts of joy and love for yourself and all, for this works in our favor and is, was and has only ever been the energy that creates the good things we all really want in our lives.
I saw a giant sign the other day and it said YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL, we all are beautiful, i hope we all remember that no matter what.
Try as often as you can to let joy, peace and love fill your thoughts, actions and words. After all, it's a piece of cake to be nasty to others. Try and forgive all no matter what we perceive they may have done to harm us.
Oh and all economies were disasters the moment the thought was conceived, it just takes awhile sometimes for milk to spill off the table.
I know I have learned much about the ways of this world and how not to create human systems for living.
Sharing freely is the only sustainable future for any planet of sentient beings. May your lives be filled with the abundance, joy, peace and love that we all deserve by divine birthright.
peace love light my brothers and sisters.
tyson :)
Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on June 13, 2011, 07:22:21 PM
No matter what you see or hear, always try and stay out of fear for it works against you like those chinese finger torture toys. ...
Did you hear the one about Job, the devil and God/Adonai in the Old Testament/Torah?
Why did The Almighty let the devil hurt a good man like Job? I have a personal answer that
does seem logical to me, but you may not agree.
I'll just say that the world, and people in general, aren't as good as one would like; to put it mildly.
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...Oh and all economies were disasters the moment the thought was conceived, it just takes awhile sometimes for milk to spill off the table. ...
They're more than disasters. To wit: Greece's credit rating was lowered to 'CCC'---the lowest in the world. This might be a really bad sign for countries like Ireland and Spain. The euro is more than merely on 'shaky ground.'
--Lee
I agree that people should not run to the nearest bridge and jump off.I agree that there is beauty in the world.I know that during the great depression of the 1930's 80 percent of the people had jobs,Just like now.Since 13 % of the USA is on foodstamps we may not see the soup lines that the 1930's saw.Just the same unemployment is over 20% according to Ron Paul.triffid
I don't know what they are paying for steel cans in st.Louis.I always thought it would be some very low price.But one lady told me it was not.I think she is wrong so I will not quote her here.I know the USA came out of the last great depression into an era of plenty.So I have no doubt we will do so again.I just hope its not another world war that does it.I liked the old star trek episode where Mr spock and captain kirk are sent to the 1930's.They knew things would change.I think I am ok for now.I am dependent now on the SS system.Hopefully some form of it survive for the rest of my life.At Least I own my own home until tax time comes around to remind me I am only renting it from the government afterall.triffid
I think that we are smart enough to figure things out on our own.Without our great leaders telling us what to think.There are people who sit on the front porch to see whats happening on their street and not spend time in front of the tv set.At least here in st.Louis its cool enough to sit on your porch if you have one.Once in a while.In texas where it reaches triple digit heat often
you don't sit on the porch.You suffer the risk of heatstroke if you do.triffid
I dont think the 90 year old man was looking for a JOB.I think it was just personal achievement he was after.So kudus to him for finishing up!Afterall any job he had in his life took him w/o a high school degree.I don't think more school for me is in the cards.So I will continue to read and learn as much as I can about the things that interest me.triffid
I saw the fine art of scrapping yesterday.Box cutter knives were used to clean the mattresses and the boxsprings that were picked up out of the trash.Steel cans were included.No 25 lb min here it seems.I was told that they had brought in $168 in one day for two truckloads.Yes you need a truck or the use of one anyway.When She decides to go scrapping she takes her two daughters and goes through the dumpsters looking for cans and whatever else that has metal in it.After the mattresses were cleaned I thought these springs would make neat looking antenna for any ham radio operators out there.They store it up for a while until they have a truckload then clean it in the alley.Take it in to sell.I had seen some scrapping before but never mattresses and boxsprings.triffid
Ron Paul says that congress has to stop allowing the federal reserve to create money and credit out of thin air.Then things will improve for the american people.So as long as our currency continues to be devalued things will not get better.Business will not create new jobs while the currency is being devalued. triffid
She included spray cans that had the top removed and empty of their previous contents.As long as a magnet could stick to it she called it steel.If a magnet didn't stick she called it aluminum.Anyway its sorted out at the scrapyard anyway so she doesn't need to be 100 % correct.triffid
I have seen things here in st.Louis that I never saw anywhere else.You know things are bad when an ice cream truck chases a school bus taking the kids home.I had to go around a broken down car with flashing lights.It was a long white limo.triffid
There is some wood in the box springs good enough to make something with or burn for heat.triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 16, 2011, 09:17:15 AM
Ron Paul says that congress has to stop allowing the federal reserve to create money and credit out of thin air.Then things will improve for the american people.So as long as our currency continues to be devalued things will not get better.Business will not create new jobs while the currency is being devalued. triffid
Very good, triffid! You're absolutely correct, IMHO.
The thing the catches my attention is the eurozone debt crisis in Greece. They have the lowest international credit rating in the world. And their citizens want to continue down the same debt-ridden road. By violently rioting in the streets. So intelligent(read: sarcastic). ::)
If they default on their debt, there'll be some hell to pay. Most world economies are interconnected.
--Lee
The Greek sink all the world. I think, You all have heard about chain reaction? The next are waiting also (alphabetically): Belgium, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, UK, US. Do You think dear Reader, when You didn^t found Your country above, that You will not be influented?:-)
I think the worst thing I personally fear is that the money becomes totally worthless.You wake up one morning to find out that the money in your bank account is no good.That you can't buy anything with it.I do have hope I have been reading some of the threads here at overunity in depth on my cell phone.I have been impressed with some of the solutions that were offered..We all remember the minto wheel which runs on a 3 degree difference.A 33 foot wheel can generate 8 hp to run a 5 kw generator.In spite of its low tech appearence it does seem to be a good solution to our long term energy needs.Its not ou but just requires a small diff in temp to run.Other solutions are the secrets of monoatomic hydrogen.Where 1 lb of hydrogen could in theory
provide you with enough energy for the rest of your life.That knowledge has been wiped pretty clean from our textbooks but it is here at ou.com. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10645.0 triffid
Another solution known since the 1950s is the application of a magnetic field at right angles to a spark that creates gamma rays which convert nitrogen into a fuel.Thus our atmosphere becomes a fuel tank.It reminds me of my dream of cracking air back into hydrogen.The radioisotope of nitrogen formed has a half life of seconds or less and so would never form a huge amount in the atmosphere. This is the one I know the least about.triffid
Then this thread hints that radiant energy might actually be matter into energy.
Andthat teslas black box may not be a receiver afterall but a device that generates the smaller pieces of electrons into energy. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8572.0
In the hairpin circuit the same thing is happening
The generator pushes the voltage in the cap up high enough for the electrons to jump the spark gap.
The electrons suddenly jumping the gap creates what Tesla called a disruptive discharge. This disruptive discharge is what shakes the hyper electrons out of their orbits.
There is a great deal of power in this disruptive discharge for a very short time........ in that short time the hyper electrons are swept through the isolation caps
At this point the great force of the disruptive discharge is no longer pushing the hyper electrons.......so they start to recombine with atoms ......with a large wire and not alot of force behind them.......they are pretty much gone by the time they reach the end of the rod on the other side ........so as long as you keep the descriptive discharge going....you have a potential difference across the bars
hyper electrons are the smaller pieces of electrons. triffid
So I think there is hope right here at overunity that someone is doing the right thing.For myself I want the minto wheel and the monoatomic hydrogen.I want to get 315 miles per lb of hydrogen out of my car.I can make lots of hydrogen gas.triffid
I am having problems with my computer after downloading some kind of avast antivirus program last week that says you can download an update manuelly.Since then I have not been able to get on wifi at mcdonalds.I am borrowing another computer to write this today.triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 20, 2011, 01:32:54 PM
provide you with enough energy for the rest of your life.That knowledge has been wiped pretty clean from our textbooks but it is here at ou.com. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10645.0 triffid
Is HHO something stable at room temperature? H2 and O2 mixed can be a touchy explosive. Witness the Fukushima nuclear plant.
I rather like the potential of Brown's gas better.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on June 20, 2011, 01:59:52 PM
...Then this thread hints that radiant energy might actually be matter into energy.
Andthat teslas black box may not be a receiver afterall but a device that generates the smaller pieces of electrons into energy. http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8572.0
In the hairpin circuit the same thing is happening ...
The Tesla hairpin circuit has been described on the YouTube videos. There's something about it that may promise OU, but that it still needs to be respected for its potential power, IMHO.
Thousands of volts should
not be taken lightly.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on June 16, 2011, 09:17:15 AM
Ron Paul says that congress has to stop allowing the federal reserve to create money and credit out of thin air.Then things will improve for the american people.So as long as our currency continues to be devalued things will not get better.Business will not create new jobs while the currency is being devalued. triffid
Speaking of which, Greece was, is, and will be: A ticking time bomb. Economic conditions in Greece are considered by money market analysts to be "very grave."
We can still prevail as long as the problems in Europe don't spill over here. They haven't to any great degree...yet.
--Lee
Looks like we may have a nuclear disaster here in the US like Japan. If this happens, I highly doubt the economy will get better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3SHms0m9uQ&feature=feedf
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on June 20, 2011, 11:54:26 PM
Looks like we may have a nuclear disaster here in the US like Japan. If this happens, I highly doubt the economy will get better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3SHms0m9uQ&feature=feedf
Mags
@Mags
I'll have to go to the public library to see this. I'm on a heavily filtered computer now, but I'll comment later.
@all
As it is, things are getting worse in the Eastern Hemisphere. Even without the nuclear problem Mags has alluded to above.
Moreover,
Take a look at these:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_aging_nukes_part1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_aging_nukes_part2
Yahoo might replace these articles with fresher news, so read and/or archive-copy them to disk quickly, if you like.
--Lee
Here is more on the Nebraska Nuclear Plant ??? ??? ???
If this ends badly, the Govt should be held accountable, just like you or I if we were to dump motor oil in the back yard. Ya will get jail time, huge fine, and the property and possibly surroundings will be torn down, dug up, and chemically treated for months. Would the Govt be treated equally as you or I? These reactors are their responsibilities. They should all be sent out for an afternoon of electroshock, for starters, till they are nothing but meat with eyes. ;]
The last link is the only one in major publications, and tells how resposible the govt is with these reactors. I havnt seen if fox is covering it yet.
God save us all.
Mags
http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/International/18-Jun-2011/US-orders-news-blackout-over-crippled-Nebraska-Nuclear-Plant-report
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20110620/us_ac/8671805_nebraska_flooding_threatens_nuclear_plant
http://theintelhub.com/2011/06/14/arnie-gundersen-nebraska-nuclear-plant-emergency-level-4-about-to-get-worse/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110621/ap_on_re_us/us_aging_nukes_part2
Mags
Edit woops, the last one is the same as Bigs second one.
One more.. Also I highly recomend the book Seeds Of Destruction. Highly. ;]
http://theintelhub.com/2011/04/18/nuclear-overseers-are-fake-agencies-funded-and-controlled-by-the-nuclear-power-industry/
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on June 21, 2011, 06:21:35 PM
God save us all.
i fear that this type of ideology is what has brought us to this current state of affairs... never mind the fact that it's a long wait for a train that ain't coming...
Quote from: Magluvin on June 20, 2011, 11:54:26 PM
Looks like we may have a nuclear disaster here in the US like Japan. If this happens, I highly doubt the economy will get better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3SHms0m9uQ&feature=feedf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3SHms0m9uQ&feature=feedf)
Mags
@all
I could only watch the first 5 mins. of this video.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 21, 2011, 12:19:35 PM
@all
As it is, things are getting worse in the Eastern Hemisphere. Even without the nuclear problem Mags has alluded to above.
And it continues.
Greece will be a sore spot on the European economic landscape, possibly from now on. As well as: Economic analysts are now saying the American economy is completely stalled by this time.
Obama and Co. haven't got any magic tricks to keep propping up the economy. It's all based on 'trust' and that's disappearing quickly.
--Lee
I have been very busy.I have been told cans are 9 cents a lb.Here in st.Louis.I still feel like I am living in the scrap metal capital of the world.I never liked this dirty grimey city.I will be very glad to leave this city when I do.It seems here people look at your property as theirs for the slightest reason.I am here for family only.Now Im told that the eastern half of the USA needs to come across the missippi?I may need to buy a gun afterall. my computer is still down.triffid
I have known since 1980 that the USA had small nuclear weapons.There was a nuclear bullet that was a shell and could be fired from 20 miles away.Hardly a big enough distance to keep the troops safe.Someone was trying to convince me to join the national guard at the time.The idea was to earn that little $125 a month so I could eat better.Then the 1990's came with the first middle east war where they pulled a lot of inactive national guard back into active service.If you had any prior national guard experience you were activated and had to go.I was glad then that I had chose to starve.triffid
Young people don't know whats waiting for them.Even in a time of plenty.They can be lured into quick marriages,drugs,death in the family can change things for you too. Three deaths in the last two years changed my life.triffid
Too quick a marriage and unexpected military service(young people).I had a friend who recently had a quick secret marriage.It was the third one for her and the fourth one for him.This time around it was for business(security).He promised her a car and a big house.After a month shes now seeking to get it annulled.She is in her 50's.So she is not a child???? Oh yes hes a preacher.Triffid
Her secret and quick marriage got two of her sisters into marriage mode.So you single guys out there with a house and SS coming in better watch out.Yes I was proposed to last year.I found out shes tired of paying rent So she asked another guy at the same time.She asked two guys in case one wouldnt the other one might.I felt warm and fuzzy at first but turned stone cold when I found out about the other guy.So guys with a house paid for watch out! Your life can be turned upside down!She didnt have any takers so shes still looking for her "money man".Triffid
The older I get the more rules I see.The more threats I get get too.All around St.Louis the speed limits are slower like 55 to 60 mph.Away from the city interstate speeds is 70.I have seen as many as 5 police cars on each side of I-70 looking for speeders!In a 55 to 60 mph speed trap.With in a three mile stretch. Around the lambert airport exits. They are on I-270 too.triffid
I am still trying to locate amazing technology here at OU.com.I am convinced that answers are here for the energy problems that we have.For the problems that government has The feds should model their actions after what some of the states have done to solve their economic problems. Live within your means.triffid
Live within your means,Afterall years ago You saw ads saying you needed the latest car,the newest clothes,etc.You made choices based on what you saw on tv.I still watch tv.Anyway focus nowadays on what you need "the basics".triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 24, 2011, 09:26:05 AM
I have been very busy.I have been told cans are 9 cents a lb.Here in st.Louis.I still feel like I am living in the scrap metal capital of the world.
I think the rate in CA is 1 cent/lb for soup can steel, but stainless is a lot more.
Not mixed together. Segregated by type, or it's less.
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I never liked this dirty grimey city.I will be very glad to leave this city when I do.It seems here people look at your property as theirs for the slightest reason.
I live in a slum. This one is pretty filthy. I might know what you mean.
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I am here for family only.Now Im told that the eastern half of the USA needs to come across the missippi?
I didn't hear that. Really? Everyone on the East Coast? Things are getting bad there?!?
Quote
I may need to buy a gun afterall. my computer is still down.triffid
Like in the movie
"The Road?" with Viggo Mortenson? I wouldn't be surprised. Your computer had a virus or something like it? Nowadays computers are
sometimes so inexpensive, they're
nearly throw-away-rather-than-fix-first. (acronym: TARTFF I invented a new phrase?!?! ;D :o
(I checked on GOOGLE: only "der tarif";
the tariff, in German, comes closest---and it's a proper word).
--Lee
This is one of many vids this week on YT that I have been seeing of military stuff going on in the states, for what reasons, I dont know....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cdDwl3rKb4
I do know that the Presidents wife n kids are in Africa.
Here is what theintelhub.com has to say.... This is really messed up.....
http://theintelhub.com/2011/06/24/alert-possible-asteroid-impact-on-monday-june-27-2011/
Man, I dunno.
Mags
Or maybe it is this....
http://theintelhub.com/2011/06/24/notification-of-unusual-event-cooper-and-fort-calhoun-nuclear-stations/
Read carefully
Mags
one more.. what da heck is goin on....
This YT vid is showing what the link in Egypt below is suppose to be showing. But the link is not working now. The page says "509 bandwidth limit exceeded".
http://www.ues-egypt.com/Nuclear_Power.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PJG2gBawTQ&feature=player_embedded#at=70
In my last post, thing is, why are they running programs(probably expensive programs) in Egypt trying to predict radiation plumes from Nebraska?
This really sucks.
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on June 25, 2011, 12:52:52 AM
This is one of many vids this week on YT that I have been seeing of military stuff going on in the states, for what reasons, I dont know....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cdDwl3rKb4
I do know that the Presidents wife n kids are in Africa.
Here is what theintelhub.com has to say.... This is really messed up.....
http://theintelhub.com/2011/06/24/alert-possible-asteroid-impact-on-monday-june-27-2011/
Man, I dunno.
Mags
Well, you've heard of the Nazi-lover, Do No(Nowak)? Does he have friends like the little Grey aliens, who, if they exist
(!), and
if they have the power,
might alter asteroid trajectories with their flying saucers?
Maybe that's why the guy decided to move west of the Mississippi? The asteroid is actually on the large side of 55' in diameter? That big of asteroid might survive the astmospheric heating of friction. But, graze angle is also important. Falling at 90degs. would force it to traverse 100 miles of atmosphere. At 10degs., it becomes a lot longer trip to the Earth. 90degs. is a lot worse to have happen.
I don't know, either. Wait and see. Oh, luckily, I do live west of the Mississippi.
--Lee
my computer is back now.No viruis.hopefully sinceI live 4 miles west from the missippi I will survive?triffid
i will be looking into gun ower
relax at 55 feet its about one third the size of the Arizona meteor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_Crater which was 150 feet across.
i think at 55 feet it would make a big hole but its not remotely big enough to be a Dino killer.
Mr triffid if you are going to buy a gun you need to do some serious thinking and research.
what and where will you be shooting, not to mention where the slugs end up when you miss.
its going to take some training and practice so that you do not hurt yourself or bystanders.
fritznien
just an old country boy
it's supposed to pass us at approximately 8000 miles away... nothing to worry about... ;) 8000 miles is the diameter of earth, so it will miss us by an earth's width. nothing to worry about... ;) go back to watching american idol and celebrity wives. go shopping, spend money... nothing to worry about... ;) our pigheaded refusal to look facts in the face will keep us safe. nothing to worry about... ;)
what facts did i overlook? that the people who track these things say it will miss?
that if it hits the earth it will do local damage only because its just a pebble?
what do you think we should be doing?
fritznien
Quote from: fritznien on June 26, 2011, 11:18:30 PM
what facts did i overlook? that the people who track these things say it will miss?
that if it hits the earth it will do local damage only because its just a pebble?
what do you think we should be doing?
fritznien
If it hit an ocean at some incredible speed, I imagine there could be a huge tsunami.
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on June 26, 2011, 11:32:51 PM
If it hit an ocean at some incredible speed, I imagine there could be a huge tsunami.
Mags
It probably would land in an ocean, since the earth is covered by water to 70% of the total area.
Tsunamis are going to be the main concern, and
(!), the asteroid Apophis is lurking out there with 8-10 times the diameter of the Meteor Crater asteroid.
Even so, the one today would be a wake up call and a tsunami on the East Coast is nothing to grin and chuckle about. Apophis would cause several rebounding tsunamis on every ocean shoreline in the world, say, up to 50' high. (My speculation.)
--Lee
Quote from: fritznien on June 26, 2011, 11:18:30 PM
what facts did i overlook? that the people who track these things say it will miss? ...
Scientists have good, accurate instruments, but you still have a point. They're good up to a point. Then we pray and hope for the best.
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...that if it hits the earth it will do local damage only because its just a pebble? ...
55 feet would cause damage, and it's smaller than the one at Tunguska. Well, okay, a lot smaller. Look at this...
http://www.astronomynow.com/080630Tunguska.html
...so, damage will be minimal, at the worst. A 55-footer would
most likely burn to dust.
Quote
...what do you think we should be doing?
fritznien
Unfortunately, nothing. Acts of nature are something sometimes unexpected and have to be lived with. That's what I don't let it worry me.
--Lee
Quote from: Magluvin on June 26, 2011, 11:32:51 PM
If it hit an ocean at some incredible speed, I imagine there could be a huge .
Mags
@mags and Lee
no tsunami for a rock this size it just don't have enough energy.
lets do a worst case.
call 2011 MD 20 meters on a side 8000 cubic meters, let it be 3000 kilos per cubic meter and going 30km per second.
8000 x 3000 x 30,000 x 30,000 /2 joules=1.08x10EXP16 joules
one megaton is 4X10EXP15 joules approximately
so the impact would be 2.5 megatons if it was on the upper limit of its possible size and going more than 3 times the
best speed i could find for it with a quick google search.
a 9.0 earthquake releases 480 megatons of energy and that's the level of earthquake to make a tsunami.
so only a problem if your close, under 100 miles say.
Apophis will make a close approach in 2029, yes a hit will ruin your whole day,still low odds for that.
how about we worry about stuff that is happening and that we can do something about
Quote from: fritznien on June 27, 2011, 07:43:44 PM
@mags and Lee
... Apophis will make a close approach in 2029, yes a hit will ruin your whole day,still low odds for that. ...
...However, there are unknown ones out there waiting to be discovered. ...
Right, I agree about the one that just went by.
But think about this, for mere discussion:
1) Fill container ships and cargo ships with 2,500,000 short tons of, say, amatol. (20%TNT + 80%NH4NO3, by wt.).
2) Sail then to the middle of the Atlantic or Pacific.
3) Chain them together strongly...
4) ...then scuttle the whole lot with deliberately sealed holes in their hulls that are all opened at once, electrically, say.
5) When they hit the bottom, an impact fuse detonates the entire shebang at once.
6) That might cause a tsunami, right? Apophis is about 800-1,000 times the volume. Even if it gets here in about 2029 or again around 2060 or so.
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...how about we worry about stuff that is happening and that we can do something about ...
I completely agree. That's why I'm not worried or scared. I can't do anything about it. I just try and survive.
--Lee
I was a member of the NRA back in high school (1960s).They taught us gun safety and how to shoot
triffid
I am still having problems with my computer so I spoke too soon when I said it was ok now.I don't know when I will get it fixed.I had to get a new cell phone the old one died so now I have to figure out how to get on the internet with the new cell phone.
When I mentioned getting a gun I was having a bad day with a copper theft at another house my family owns.I got the police involved and hopefully they will bring him in soon.Triffid
When I get a chance I want to work on mono atomic hydrogen.
triffid
When is this asteriod supposed to hit us?If it misses the earth we should hitch a ride at least with some instruments on it.If it hits the earth then we all are sitting ducks.triffid
My friend who got was getting her marriage annuled changed her mind again and decided to stay married for three years to get her car and big house.Glad it aint me!triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 30, 2011, 05:06:06 PM
When I get a chance I want to work on mono atomic hydrogen.
triffid
Yeah, I read a long time ago that
a lot! of energy was available with 'H'---Robert Heinlein use it as a plot point in a novel as rocket fuel.
Too, much energy, though. It'll detonate if it recombines to H2---especially if pure. Scientists cool it and dilute it with Helium(He) to stabilize it.
Oh, that reminds me, there's a flood around the Fort Calhoun Nuclear plant and it's headed your way down the Missouri River. A warm spell can cause the river to reach 1,014' altitude at Ft. Calhoun. Then the plant is like Fukushima.
Unfortunately, more rain adds to the threat---even in your state. I suspect the water table is slowly rising under your house. Too bad you have to live there. I have to live in a pest-infested dump-of-a-slum/ghetto. Fun. Survival is a daily adventure.
--Lee
the singal H that bob uses is reaction mass only, his rockets are nuclear powered.
fritznien
Quote from: fritznien on June 30, 2011, 08:56:21 PM
the singal H that bob uses is reaction mass only, his rockets are nuclear powered.
fritznien
I do remember in the novel,
"The Rolling Stones", a plot point as having "single 'H' " as a propellent ingredient, but I can't remember there being a nuclear reactor in the aft end of their cargo ship.
In and earlier novel about teenagers going to the moon and combatting leftover WWII Nazis, that ship had a nuclear reactor with mercury
(?) for a working-thrust producing component. Those were the ones I remember offhand.
BACK TO TOPIC:
Minn. is starting to shut down in a political fight over pensions and unions. This isn't helping the economy in any way.
People up to 15km further outside the restricted zone are showing radiation in or on their persons. School children are being given radiation meters.
Greece still has to cut spending and the citizens are up in arms about it. I imagine their economy is cratering steadily as long as strikes and riots continue.
--Lee
It seems that my laptop is back in working order.You are right about the water rising lee,I had a knee high flood in my basement but the sewer dept caused it,I am supposed to get an insurance check of some kind for damages to the structure.Takes three weeks!triffid
I saw on the new last night that north dakota has 3.2% unemployment.Too bad if people run to that state without looking at the low population numbers.Seems that they were talking about a population of just over 100,000.A long time ago back in the 1980s tulsa okla was noted on the news as being a place to find JOBs.Soon droves of the unemployed headed our way.I was a tulsan at the time.Any excess jobs soon dried up leaving those who came later without one.In the end those who remained jobless went elsewhere.triffid
My computer was able to access Mc donalds wifi for the first time in about three weeks today.It feels good to be able to have internet access once again.I want to try solar powered rockets sometime in place of nuclear powered rockets.Since the sun is a natural fusion reactor anyway.I might be able to focus energy of the suns energy on a single point to get over 10,000 degrees F.Instead of the 3000 degrees F given to a nuclear reactor.I think solar sailing from low earth orbit to low orbits around other planets and moons would be a good start for mankind to start spreading into the solar system.Slow but steady woulb be our expansion.Of course I'm always for faster speeds.But solar sailing would give us a start.triffid
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 01, 2011, 01:20:57 PM
BACK TO TOPIC:
Greece still has to cut spending and the citizens are up in arms about it. I imagine their economy is cratering steadily as long as strikes and riots continue.
UPDATE:The losing game continues.
Greece will default sooner or later because they're not cutting spending
and they continue to borrow heavily. Portugal was credit-downgraded by 4 notches to a really low value. (They're in consternation!) The fear is: Italy is a bigger country and it's not doing a lot better economically right now than the other two.
The U.S. Congress should have until about July 22-25 to be able to take time to pass the budget (If! Any!) Minn. is still in limbo as well. State official functions are closed---or they were.
Stay tuned.
--Lee
There is a news hotline that you can call and get the news no matter how bad or good.I get the weather on it all the time.You are calling a computer and it has voice interaction with you.its called "tellme" and the phone number is 1-800-555-8355.
Its free but if your number is brandnew to it.You may be listening to 2 or 3 ads.Enjoy.Triffid
In the news section of "tellme" there is an area called"top stories".So I can get the main news of the day without tv or radio.I can get stock quotes off of it too.triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 07, 2011, 07:30:54 AM
In the news section of "tellme" there is an area called"top stories".So I can get the main news of the day without tv or radio.I can get stock quotes off of it too.triffid
I watch the financial news on basic cable TV(Channel 51 in S.F.), so as to keep up with money trends
only. That's where I follow the Greek debt crisis. I
never dabble of serious trade in the Stocks/bonds markets.
I can't own a gun, but I can buy a K-Bar-style combat knife (I'm a Vet). As long as I keep it in my apartment for "eventualities". Think about it.
--Lee
I have been thinking about buying a "taser"?They can be hidden and as far as i know no permit is needed to carry one?triffid
If you registar yourself as a gun carrying citizen you may be one of the first to be picked up in a crackdown of any kind?triffid
One surprise about st.louis.The drinking water tastes very good.I guess they get it from the missippi river?triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 10, 2011, 08:03:11 AM
One surprise about st.louis.The drinking water tastes very good.I guess they get it from the missippi river?triffid
I suppose. Tap water here in S.F. is chlorinated and has lots of cancer-causing crap in it. I drink sodas for that reason.
It's. That. Bad.Time's up on this computer,
Will talk later,
--Lee
I was researching minto wheels and came across a rubber band heat engine.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW6aEmOsXv0 It looks very interesting.No need for costly liquids.triffid
heres a a 1000 rpm tin can engine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7NV38Ymep0&NR=1 I would say this is interesting too! triffid
here is a sterling engine made from a tin can. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcKeqsKHcdg&feature=related triffid
Yes I love it when people build neat stuff from tin cans! Here is a more academic treatment of the rubber band heat engine.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBXL93984cQ&feature=related triffid
Here is a simple heat engine made from paper that uses evaporation of water to power it. http://heatengine.uw.hu/ Here is a u-tube video showing it in action! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auQjZwkia00&feature=related triffid
So I had fun today! I am interested in using heat differentials in a house to drive a wheel of some sort to generate some electricity. The rubber band engines Ive seen on video could drive a small PM motor.Triffid
More fun!Puskas engine is here too! http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dpuskas%2B%2Bheat%2Bengine%26ei%3Dutf-8%26y%3DSearch%26fr%3Dyfp-t-701&w=480&h=360&imgurl=img.youtube.com%2Fvi%2FtD06J9IpbAA%2F0.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Feugenious.net%2F&size=14KB&name=How+To+Build+A+N...&p=puskas++heat+engine&oid=b102d2ad58066837a191951ae3e2a76e&fr2=&no=2&tt=3&sigr=10lvfvoc1&sigi=114s5k031&sigb=131to1efs&.crumb=4zXmC6srHQL Along with other good stuff.triffid
here is a rotating puskas engine design. http://heatengine.uw.hu/rotating.html Here is also a u-tube video of it working. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Wg68Uv5qs triffid
Just one last u-tube video.This ones bigger! http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=iw&v=O4ZFDXAaJfY triffid .
I wonder how many miles to a gallon of water that a rotary puskas engine could go?Since the water is never burned it might go forever if the water was recycled? triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 10, 2011, 07:10:47 PM
So I had fun today! I am interested in using heat differentials in a house to drive a wheel of some sort to generate some electricity. The rubber band engines Ive seen on video could drive a small PM motor.Triffid
www.eskimo.com/~billb/freenrg/minto.html
I remember seeing a demonstration 30-35 yrs ago of a temperature wheel using butane use a working fluid and heating it in hot water from roof solar collectors.
NOTE:On exact topic...
Italy is experiencing the same problem with debt as Greece. It's an endlessly hanging sword over their heads that's getting heavier.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Eurozone-seeks-to-stop-crisis-apf-3969079851.html?x=0
--Lee
It seems that certain jobs are so important that these jobs are still in demand in the event of a government shutdown.Take the case of the state government shutdown in MN this morning.Most state employees are not getting paid.But the personal chef and housekeeper to the MN governor are still getting paid!?!
So Ombamas personal chef and housekeeper would still get paid ? In the event of a federal government shutdown?What happens on August 2nd?Lets wait and findout.triffid
So I wonder how many people will go to washington DC to be a chef?Also housekeepers?Triffid. Lee My house in st.Louis has about a 30 difference between basement and first story.Hence the interest in temperature wheels.
Im not very mechanically inclined however so I most likely will never build one
But I could do a rubber band engine maybe?triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 12, 2011, 11:56:57 AM
...Lee My house in st.Louis has about a 30 difference between basement and first story.Hence the interest in temperature wheels.
That's why I asked about how far your house was from the Mississippi or Missouri Rivers.
I saw once on the news crawl line at the bottom of a TV screen that forecasters predict more levees will fail this summer in Missouri and parts to the North of there.
Your basement is pretty deep for comfort, IMHO.
Also, the financial debt torture continues here in this country and in Europe. Look: If they raise the debt ceiling and/or borrow more money and cut services and spending in either hemisphere, people suffer. Quickly.
If they don't raise the ceiling, people and markets loose confidence in the system and the average economy goes into another recession in a month or two.
There's no good answer at this stage.
--Lee
According to the ron paul hotline I gave earlier in this thread the central banks are starting to buy more gold and silver.Investors are starting to buy more gold and silver.I have heard this tired song since the 1970s about how everyone should buy more gold and silver.I would rather have bars of soap(which last a long time) or smokes (I don't smoke) to barter with when everyone is trying to sell their gold and silver.Cuz then the price will be real cheap while soap and smokes will bring a higher price if they are hard to get.I prefer to find gold and silver in the ground.triffid
In response to triffid's posted Reply #1295:
People hoarded gold until the Great Depression, but you're correct, a bar of gold like one in the movie "Kelly's Heros" can't be eaten, even with salt, pepper and ketchup.
I think people are waking up to the grim fact the non-existence of extensive amounts of money is going to end a past easy lifestyle in the industrialized world. Survivalists in really remote areas should do better if they avoid "city folks."
Soap, canned goods, guns/ammo, medicine, seeds/fertilizer, etc., will be worthwhile to have. I believe many mambers should be aware of this already.
--Lee
.Tuna is ok but its a much smaller amount.If I can find mackeral for about a dollar a can I buy it.Canned fruit is better than no fruit.Canned food will last 30 to 35 years easy.Cranberry sauce will last only a year.Its acid will eat through the can.Been there done thatI have eaten canned goods that were 5 years old with no ill effects.Glass jars of fruit that were canned properly will last years or longer.In 1994 my mom still had a couple of jars of homemade plums that she canned about 1957.They were still good after 37 years.So home canning is a good thing.triffid
@triffid
With respect to your posted Reply #1257:
I agree wholeheartedly. When my Mom was alive, she canned apples and made sweet pickles out of cucumbers from my parent's retirement property garden. Her mother taught her how to do it when she was a girl. Her original ancestors were pioneers in the Midwest.
The canned goods were tasty and healthy, too.
NOTE:
Look out for the economy. European banks---some in Spain in particular--- have failed stress tests. Even if American banks pass, some Europeans are weak and all are interconnected to some extent.
Later reedit:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38451750
This is part of the problem above. These figures are for Europeans. American credit default swaps are still selling and were worth at least $1,000,000,000,000,000 (honestly!) when the Great Recession began. This will be impossible to pay off even if we all live to be 10,000 yrs old.
--Lee
I think our government will extend the debt limit another 2.5 trillion dollars.I don't see them doing anything else.They would have to get rid of the federal reserve to make any real changes.Get rid of their secrecy and their unaccountability. triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 18, 2011, 08:32:41 AM
I think our government will extend the debt limit another 2.5 trillion dollars.I don't see them doing anything else.They would have to get rid of the federal reserve to make any real changes.Get rid of their secrecy and their unaccountability. triffid
I'm in the choir right behind you. Yep, I agree.
The thing is, Europe is a lot weaker than the U.S. Their economies aren't geared by constitutional mandate to print money like the U.S. Remember the Weimar Republic? A loaf of bread cost about several hundred million German Marks, I believe. The Europeans may eventually be bailed out---by associated default---by us after we bail out
their creditor nations like Germany and Britain.
We can't afford that. Especially now.
--Lee
I guess business as usual is better than no business at all.If our government shuts down no telling what it will take to get it started again.triffid
Why can't we base our currency on copper or oil?Not gold or silver.Copper seems to be the new gold here in st.Louis.People are willing to break into houses to get it.The governmebt has not really cracked down on copper thieves and the companies that buy it no questions asked.I think I just came up with a new spelling for our indebted government.I give you governmebt instead.triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 19, 2011, 10:55:55 AM
Why can't we base our currency on copper or oil?
Politics. Politicians are what they are. Just because you or I have a good idea doesn't necessarily mean they'll take notice.
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Not gold or silver.Copper seems to be the new gold here in st.Louis.People are willing to break into houses to get it.The governmebt has not really cracked down on copper thieves and the companies that buy it no questions asked.
Crazy. AZ and CA are hot on copper ripoffs. They like to throw the perps in jail. In CA they take your picture every time for copper recycling sales.
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I think I just came up with a new spelling for our indebted government.I give you governmebt instead.triffid
Not bad.
Things aren't getting any more intelligent in Congress:
If they cut spending, people begin starving en masse.
If they raise taxes, people lose jobs and then begin starving en masse.
If they raise the debt ceiling, eventually no one will have confidence in the American economy---and there'll be a depression that'll collapse the economy eventually. People will also starve en masse.
If they
don't raise it, Moody's and S&P will lower the America debt rating and jobs will eventually be lost. People will also, again starve en masse.
About nothing they do gives a good outcome. The few who have the ability to change things for the good in the past have waited too long to make any difference now.
--Lee
I may be out of bounds here but I found this video clip which makes me think of the mess we are in.It supposed to be funny but it mirrors the mess we are in in its own way. http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4ccd0abe51/not-another-saw-movie triffid
This relates to something I posted a long time agoWhen i posted a link to squatters rights state by state. A tip of the hat to our pals at Curbed for tipping us off to this one. Thanks to a little-known provision in state law, enterprising Texan Kenneth Robinson -- either a hero or a squatter, depending on your point of view -- has taken possession of a foreclosed $300,000 house for a mere $16. That's the amount he forked over to file a claim of "adverse possession" of the property with the Denton County courthouse.
Robinson contends that the abandoned house is his for the taking, since neither the original owner nor the bank is likely to go to the trouble or expense of kicking him out. If he can manage to stay in the property for three years, he says, the law grants him the right to petition the court for title to the house.
Crafty though Robinson may be, not all of his new neighbors are happy to see him in their midst. Watch the video to see how the controversy unfolds.Keep in mind adverse possession will make someone mad.It reminds me sort of someone going to jail for years to keep the money they stole.triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 19, 2011, 06:35:44 PM
...A tip of the hat to our pals at Curbed for tipping us off to this one. Thanks to a little-known provision in state law, enterprising Texan Kenneth Robinson -- either a hero or a squatter, depending on your point of view -- has taken possession of a foreclosed $300,000 house for a mere $16. ...
Here's an Internet source for the story:
http://moneyland.time.com/2011/07/18/man-gets-330000-home-for-16/?hpt=hp_t2
People who make a name for themselves can sometimes become a target. I've seen it happen before.
--Lee
From my point of view he is a target.I dont know how he knows the bank will not kick him out.The owner may have died or is besought with so many legal problems he does not have time to care.I did read before of a homeless man who became the lawful owner of a piece of land worth over a million pounds in england by living on it in full view of the public.He lived by begging and doing odd jobs for ten years in a public park.He had built himself a shack to live in the back of it somewhere.It was a rough life but he became a lawful land owner at public exspense.triffid
lee thanks to a post in your link I found out why he is not afraid of the bank.
Except that the actual lender/bank no longer exists. That is why he was able to do this. Th other part of this equation is as follows:
While it has no electricity or running water, Robinson has moved a few things in and is living, well, a bit uncomfortably it appears. But Robinson told WFAA News8 that he has exclusive negotiating rights with the original owner because he has his possessions in the home. And Robinson said that if the owner wants him to leave, he would have to pay off the rest of his mortgage debt as well as file a lawsuit to kick him out.
Read more: http://moneyland.time.com/2011/07/18/man-gets-330000-home-for-16/#ixzz1SfCRIo00
Read more: http://moneyland.time.com/2011/07/18/man-gets-330000-home-for-16/#ixzz1SfBc4GYX
we filed a lawsuit to kick our squatters out of my dads house.Only $600 to do it.We were lucky it didn't take more.triffid
my dads home was free and clear.I don't know why the owner has to pay off the mortgage debt to someone who doesn;t exist anymore.Looks like waving a gun around might scare the guy off?
triffid
another reader posted this making it clearer to me:
Actually, it is you that doesn't understand the issue here. He legally took possession of the house, is now residing in said house, and is taking care of said house. If the owner (who was foreclosed upon) doesn't take court action and the mortgage company (that no longer exists) doesn't take court action, the man files more paperwork and the title belongs to him. In the meantime, property values remain consistent because that property will be maintained.
Read more: http://moneyland.time.com/2011/07/18/man-gets-330000-home-for-16/#ixzz1SfGFgiTf
So the way I see it robinson is making a gamble.That all he really has to do is wait out three years.If noone makes a legal move against him he wins.I don't care if the bank loses money.congress bails them out no matter what. I don't understand why the owner left the property in the first place unless he lacked detailed knowledge of his options.I would have stayed in the house if it had been me.triffid
I dont like banks anyway.So this may pave the path for a whole new bunch of squatters?I could go back to texas and take my chances?triffid
I know of another texas state law that states someoneelse can get the house for if the owners dont pay the property taxes for two years.So robinson may end up paying those to make his plan work?triffid
what legal move, call the cops have him arrested for break and enter.
get a restraining order and call it a day.
if he was in your house you could run him off at gun point.
fritznien
gotta be careful about pointing guns at people.You can shoot up at the ceiling and be threatening that way.Just holding a gun would do the trick for most people.triffid
Hold a gun straight up.Never point at a person unless you intend to pull the trigger.In texas I saw a man chase another one and he was carrying a rifle straight up in the air.He got his point across so the offender did not come back.They were both spanish but you get the idea.triffid
Here is a link to a very interesting article on booming germany.They do use the ant and the grasshopper story to get their point across. http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/The-Daily-Reckoning/2010/0824/Is-booming-Germany-caught-in-an-ant-trap triffid
It was only a month ago that Martin Wolf led a “great debate†on how governments should react to the financial crisis. Of all the ideas to come out of financial crisis of ’07, Wolf proposed one of the most remarkable. He illustrated it with the fable of the ant and the grasshopper. He saw two types of economies. There were those that produced and those that consumed. The trouble, according to Wolf, was that the two didn’t compete at all. Instead, they lived in a kind of symbiotic parasitism. The grasshoppers lived off the labors of the ants. Not only did the grasshoppers make the things that the ants used, the ants took the grasshoppers’ money and lent it back to them, so they could buy more. The grasshoppers were ruining themselves. But the ants were making a mistake too. They were building up capital, but what could they do with it? There was no point in expanding output capacity; arguably, they already produced too much. And what could they buy? The grasshoppers had nothing to sell.
That was not the worst of it. When the grasshoppers had spent too much, said Wolf, both bugs were trapped. If the grasshoppers in Spain and Greece were forced to spend less, the ants in Düsseldorf were condemned to sell less. Their economies were doomed to go down together, like galley slaves chained to a sinking ship.
In any case, it looked like the sort of thing the fixers could fix. Germany is all make. Greece is all take. The system was out of whack. Trade flows must balance out to zero, so Wolf et al concluded that the problem could be corrected on either side. Germany could stop working so hard and exporting so much stuff it didn’t want. Or, Greece could stop spending so much money it didn’t have. Since any slowdown in spending threatens the “recovery,†it would be better for Germans to do more spending themselves. They should raise wages and encourage their own people to buy more Audis…more ouzo…and more pointy shoes with curled up toes. This was no time for austerity.
Like I thought a short term hike in the amount of debt is coming around as the way to go.Remember I said business as usual is better than no business at all.This way we might avoid martial law a little longer? http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Debt-hike-short-term-Obama/2011/07/21/id/404407 triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 21, 2011, 01:28:18 PM
Like I thought a short term hike in the amount of debt is coming around as the way to go.Remember I said business as usual is better than no business at all.This way we might avoid martial law a little longer? http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Debt-hike-short-term-Obama/2011/07/21/id/404407 triffid
Yeah, sounds good to me, but other factors are also at work:
1) European debt
2) North Africa and the Middle East
3) Instability at Fukushima
4) North & South Korea
5) The Mexican drug gang war
6) Afghanistan and Iraq
7) Home-grown terrorism
8 ) Natural disaster(s), here and abroad
9) The new political feud involving politicians(the Wasserman Shultz--West debacle)
9A) Some Republicans appear not to care if this country goes into debt default
10) The housing crisis + several States defaulting on what they owe
So, I agree with you the end may be staved of temporarily, but I think we can agree: It's coming. Yes,
yes! It's coming!
--Lee
http://patents.com/us-4428193.html here is the patent for the papp engine.As in mono atomic hydrogen
there appears to me that there is some sort of" matter into energy" conversion process going on here.I am not set up to do any experimenting myself.triffid
It seems the papp egine uses a sealed quanity of a noble gas mixture with a spark to create plasma which does work against pistons in an engine.Beyond the noble gas mixture being recharged once every 6 months there is no additional fuel and no exhaust as the gases are recycled on a continuous basis.triffid
Once again a spark is used to tear a gas into smaller pieces than an atom and somehow far more energy comes out than went into the process.Once again no one understood for 200 years how a hot air balloon floated back in the 1700's.They just knew how to build them back then.This looks like matter into energy to me.triffid
16 trillion. :o
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3
Quote from: triffid on July 21, 2011, 06:52:50 PM
http://patents.com/us-4428193.html here is the patent for the papp engine.As in mono atomic hydrogen there appears to me that there is some sort of" matter into energy" conversion process going on here.I am not set up to do any experimenting myself.triffid
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat4428193.pdf
This should be the the one. I need to read this further. It's complicated, so I'll carefully look at it when I have the money (39pp with 24 drawing pages).
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 21, 2011, 02:38:05 PM
Yeah, sounds good to me, but other factors are also at work:
1) European debt
2) North Africa and the Middle East
3) Instability at Fukushima
4) North & South Korea
5) The Mexican drug gang war
6) Afghanistan and Iraq
7) Home-grown terrorism
8 ) Natural disaster(s), here and abroad
9) The new political feud involving politicians(the Wasserman Shultz--West debacle) 9A) Some Republicans appear not to care if this country goes into debt default
10) The housing crisis + several States defaulting on what they owe
For number #11, American Medicare and Medicaid recipients won't allow the benefits to be cut. This is a unsolvable problem. It can't go on. So, add that to the list.
Time is running out 'til the 2nd of Aug.
--Lee
http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3 that 16 trillion was bailout for the banks and the rich.Nothing for the little man in the streets.In the area of real estate.Those short sales had less than 10% approved out of those who applied for them.Loan modications were less than 10% too.In spite of the media hoop-rah on those two topics very little happened to help the average joe in the streets.triffid
So now we have a whole class of us citizen who lives off the government and happy to squat in someone elses house.People who learn how to beg and steal and lie to your face if they can get money out of you.I have seen that person and do not care for him or her.Still the law seems to protect him or her more than it protects me.triffid
It costs me money to use the law but they have legal aide which is free to them!!!triffid
Lee like you I don't see these benefits being cut American Medicare and Medicaid recipients won't allow the benefits to be cut.
there are 50 millon of them right now and they will vote out of office anyone who cuts them.So they will not be cut at this time.
Still I see some kind of 6 or 8 month extension and a small increase in the debt ceiling for right now.Business as usual is better than no business at all.triffid
Last week in the alley I saw a pickup truck loaded to the gills with scrap metal of all kinds.Piled deep and stacked high.I figured they had traveled quite a distance to get all of that in one day?My assumption of course but the truck looked new.It was not an old beatup truck they were doing this in.Of course I marvaled at this sight of an enterprising person or persons.triffid
Tonight I learned that a hurricane is a heat engine powered by warm sea water 80 F degrees and hotter.If the sea water is 120 degree F then a super huriicane might result.Called a hypercane.It can reach 20miles up and dump water into the upper atmosphere wiping out the ozone layer.Allowing harmful uv radiation to wipe out all living things not living one foot below ground.So maybe thats whats going to happen ?I keep hearing about the rich and their underground bunkers!?!With Global warming the sea temps are going to rise???Are there super hurricanes in our future?triffid
So could it be that those who rule the world think the ozone layer is going to be wiped out?Hence the reason for all the underground bunker building?To be safe from harmful UV but you must have a one foot layer of earth over your head!triffid
Last time 65 million years ago when the dinosauers were wiped out there was a 75 % extinction rate of all life on earth.The ozone layer being gone could have been the killing mechanism.Only those who burrowed underground and those who lived underwater survived.Turtles are still with us today.They burrow underground and live in the sea too.triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 22, 2011, 10:11:38 PM
...Of course I marvaled at this sight of an enterprising person or persons.triffid
Well, you're my kind of man. I found a good place to take my bottles and cans. I can make $25.00-30.00/mo. And I'm not trying hard at all.
You have a point about the Medicare, Medicaid and Soc. Security. The potential cost will be more than merely *huge* in the future. Add one more number to the list above.
The Republicians are acting stupidly as the Democrats see it. If the credit rating on the U.S. is lowered, it could be a slippery slope downhill from there.
--Lee
My brother expressed his worse fear today at a grocery store.He said that he was afraid the money would become worthless and not buy anything anywhere.According to the ron paul hotline the dollar has lost 50% of its value since 2008.Hence the increase in the price of gold and silver.Hence the run to gold and silver by the central banks.We need money as a medium of exchange.I cannot carry pigs and chickens in my pocket to trade with.I look forward to the future anyway in spite of these concerns.I look towards science to lead the way to reason even if congress cannot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_656352&v=1PT90dAA49Q triffid
I have been looking towards space elevators and solar sailing as a way for mankind to spread out into the solar system and greatly increase economic activity by a factor of 500 or more.I believe it is our hope for the future.I want to be a duty pilot in my next lifetime!triffid
Lee I was glad to hear of your new place to take your bottles and cans.
I hope to leave st.louis for a week to go back to texas.To get away for a little while.triffid
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My brother expressed his worse fear today at a grocery store.He said that he was afraid the money would become worthless and not buy anything anywhere. ... We need money as a medium of exchange. ... I cannot carry pigs and chickens in my pocket to trade with
Yeah, that's a concern for some. Barter is still available, but you're correct: As you said, you can't carry chickens and hogs in your pocket.
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According to the ron paul hotline the dollar has lost 50% of its value since 2008.Hence the increase in the price of gold and silver.Hence the run to gold and silver by the central banks.
Greed. I can't eat a bar of gold. I
can make a sandwich if I have the "fixins."
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I look forward to the future anyway in spite of these concerns.I look towards science to lead the way to reason even if congress cannot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_656352&v=1PT90dAA49Q triffid
We have to survive. Stupid people who lack survival attitudes won't.
--Lee
I think most people will survive.Now I do wonder what the people who are building the underground bunkers are thinking?Afterall the idea is to survive whats coming and return to the surface?Isnt it?One has to return to the surface?Right?If harmful UV is what we have to worry about .Wouldnt staying indoors and carrying umbrellas take care of most of that?triffid
I guess the food plants and animals would be affected?So after a while food would get harder and harder to get?One could build up a 6 month supply of food.Just don't tell anyone else.triffid
Hi guys, I've been following this thread for a while and I have to jump in and give my two cents. I truly feel the state of affairs in this country, and else where, are nothing more than a plan that is going according to schedule. When the majority of the people are faced with extreme poverty, the federal government will ride in on their white horses with the NWO as the remedy.
I was 13 yrs. old when Watergate took place and I was shocked at the actions of our "would be leaders". Since Watergate, I have paid attention to politics and have witnessed the decay of this country. Every two years politicians run around giving speeches about how bad their opponent's leadership skills are and how much better life will be if they are voted into office.
No matter who gets into office, nothing changes! life has constantly gotten worse after each election. I feel the political parties are nothing more "than smoke and mirrors" because all politicians live in the lap of luxury off our blood sweat and tears.
you are just a complex organism, you are a life form made up of over 2 trillion cells in sync that give you a singular illusion that you are just 1 entity when you are not. you are many and you're still classified as an animal. humans are not special in the least. live like an animal and die like an animal, over 300 species of known animals live to be 200 years or older. If you consume life of any kind you are an animal, like all animals, they have to consume to survive.
Quote from: screaminvern on July 24, 2011, 09:26:28 AM
Hi guys, I've been following this thread for a while and I have to jump in and give my two cents. I truly feel the state of affairs in this country, and else where, are nothing more than a plan that is going according to schedule. When the majority of the people are faced with extreme poverty, the federal government will ride in on their white horses with the NWO as the remedy.
I was 13 yrs. old when Watergate took place and I was shocked at the actions of our "would be leaders". Since Watergate, I have paid attention to politics and have witnessed the decay of this country. Every two years politicians run around giving speeches about how bad their opponent's leadership skills are and how much better life will be if they are voted into office.
No matter who gets into office, nothing changes! life has constantly gotten worse after each election. I feel the political parties are nothing more "than smoke and mirrors" because all politicians live in the lap of luxury off our blood sweat and tears.
If you have so many complaints in life now then maybe you should be a politician in your next life, if it exist.
Here is something encouraging.http://news.yahoo.com/tortoises-artificial-limb-came-ace-hardware-232938385.html A bit off the beaten track here but encouarging non the less.triffid
Q: Why is the prospect of not raising the debt ceiling so worrisome?
A: The government now borrows more than 40 cents of each dollar it spends. If the debt ceiling does not rise, the government would need to choose what to pay and what not, including benefits like Social Security, wages for the military or other bills. It also might delay interest payments on Treasury bonds. Any default could lead to financial panic weakening the country's credit rating, the dollar and the already hobbled economy. Interest rates would likely rise, increasing the cost of borrowing for the government and ordinary Americans.
Q: Who holds the $14.3 trillion in outstanding U.S. debt?
A: The U.S. government owes itself $4.6 trillion, mostly borrowed from Social Security revenues. The remaining $9.7 trillion is owed to investors in Treasury securities â€" banks, pension funds, individual investors, state and local governments and foreign investors and governments. Nearly half of that â€" $4.5 trillion â€" is held by foreigners including China with $1.15 trillion and Japan with $907 billion.
Q: How did the debt grow from $5.8 trillion in 2001 to its current $14.3 trillion?
A: The biggest contributors to the nearly $9 trillion increase over a decade were:
â€"2001 and 2003 tax cuts under President George W. Bush: $1.6 trillion.
â€"Additional interest costs: $1.4 trillion.
â€"Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan: $1.3 trillion.
â€"Economic stimulus package under Obama: $800 billion.
â€"2010 tax cuts, a compromise by Obama and Republicans that extended jobless benefits and cut payroll taxes: $400 billion.
â€"2003 creation of Medicare's prescription drug benefit: $300 billion.
â€"2008 financial industry bailout: $200 billion.
â€"Hundreds of billions less in revenue than expected since the Great Recession began in December 2007.
â€" Other spending increases in domestic, farm and defense programs, adding lesser amounts.
So here the great recession we are in started in dec,2007.Yet I remember our great leaders denied we were in recession until sept.2008.Two weeks after I quit my last job.so make that the second half of sept.2008.No wonder people are confused.It would not have affected my decision to quit but I would have liked to have known.triffid
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 24, 2011, 09:44:22 AM
If you have so many complaints in life now then maybe you should be a politician in your next life, if it exist.
You haven't been affected at all by the state of affairs in this country?
Imagine two men marooned on an island. They barely survive. One works hard, hunting, gathering, and planting. The other dances on the beach like Zorba, depending on the kindness of his companion for his daily rations. The problem is not the lack of balance. The problem is the slacker. You could redress the balance between them by getting the productive one to slack off too. But then, they’d both starve. I am once again talking about greece and germany.triffid
The United States Has Effectively
Defaulted At Least Six Times
Default #1: The Continental Currency Default of 1779
Largely to fund the Revolutionary War, the Continental Congress of 1775 issued notes totaling 241 million Spanish milled dollars over roughly a two-year period.
They were the first of the so-called “Continental dollars.†But since Congress had no power of taxation, it made each of the then-13 states responsible for paying them off, prorated based on their population.
But the states couldn't pay them off. So in November 1779, Congress agreed to redeem the notes â€" with currency worth less than 1/38th the Continental's original value.
Default #2: The Default of 1790
In addition to its currency issuance, the Continental Congress borrowed money both domestically and abroad. The domestic debt totaled approximately $11 million Spanish dollars. The interest on this debt was paid primarily by money received from France and Holland as part of separate borrowings.
When foreign lending dried up, Congress defaulted on its domestic debt starting on March 1, 1782 â€" by refusing to pay and, instead, accepting the notes for payments of taxes.By 1790, Congress repudiated these loans entirely.
Default #3: The Greenback Default of 1862
In August 1861, to fund the Civil War, Congress created a new currency which became known as the “greenback†due to the green color of its ink.
The original greenbacks were $60 million in demand notes in denominations of $5, $10, and $20 â€" redeemable at any time at a rate of 0.048375 troy ounces of gold per dollar.
But in January 1862, only five months later, the U.S. Treasury defaulted by refusing to redeem them on demand.
Later, the Treasury issued “greenbacks as non-redeemable legal-tender.†They traded hands at discounts from the original greenbacks of as much as 40%.
In effect, the currency was devalued by as much as 60% to finance the Civil War.
Default #4: The Liberty Bond Default and Gold Devaluation of 1934
The financing of the United States government stepped up to an entirely new level as a result of the cost of World War I. So starting in 1917, Congress issued “Liberty Bonds.â€
The last bond issue, October 24, 1918, was a $7 billion, 20-year, 4.25% percent issue, payable in gold at a rate of $20.67 per troy ounce.
By the time Franklin Roosevelt entered office in 1933, the interest payments alone were draining the Treasury of gold. In addition, the country's total debt had climbed another $18 billion to $22 billion. Yet, the Treasury had only $4.2 billion worth of gold.
Also, during the Depression, Americans were attempting to redeem their dollars for gold and then hoarding that gold like crazy.
End result: President Roosevelt decided to default on the domestically-held debt by refusing to redeem dollars in gold and, instead, confiscating gold and then devaluing the dollar by 40%, which was essentially also a default on America's trade partners.
Default #5: Nixon Permanently Severing the Dollar's Link to Gold
On August 15, 1971, President Nixon abolished the dollar's link to gold. This was because there had been a run on the dollar in the late 1960s, since the United States was printing far more money than it could possibly back with gold.
So, foreign holders of our dollars wanted their gold, period. Nixon told them to take a hike and permanently severed the dollar's convertibility into gold.
In effect, it was a 100% devaluation of the dollar. Since 1971, the value of gold has soared from $35 an ounce to today's roughly $1,600. Which is merely another way of saying that the U.S. dollar has lost an amazing 97.8% of its value since 1971.
Put another way, in 1971, one U.S. dollar would have purchased you 1/35th of an ounce of gold.
Today, one U.S. dollar purchases just 1/1,600th of an ounce of gold.
And put yet another way, for every $1 Uncle Sam borrowed in 1971 that may still be an outstanding debt â€" he can now pay that debt back now with currency worth 1/1,600th of its former value.
Call it whatever you want, but as far as I'm concerned, that's an all-out default. In fact, any time the government devalues the purchasing power of its currency, it's a default, plain and simple.
So even if the government continues to pay its bills, as long as it's paying them with currency that it plans on being worth less, it's still a default.
Default #6: Ongoing: The Intentional, Further Devaluation of the U.S. Dollar
Despite the euro sovereign debt crisis being out in the open, the dollar is plunging in value against the Swiss franc, as well as the Aussie and Canadian dollars. Plus, it has just plunged to a 17-year low against the Chinese yuan.
This is all part of “Bernanke's Secret Debt Solution†for the United States. He knows darn well that we can never repay our debts without inflating them away ... by devaluing the dollar.
So do many others in Washington.
The SINGLE BEST thing you can do to protect your wealth is recognize this and take appropriate action by investing in asset classes that will preserve and grow your wealth.
Those asset classes are gold, natural resources in general, and Asian economies.
In fact, all the “great rebalancing†talk you hear out of Washington these days when they speak about the global economy is nothing more than code speak for devaluing the dollar even further, and largely to get Asia â€" and China, in particular â€" to spend more money.
Which is precisely what Asia is doing these days. Their economies are running on all eight cylinders!
The history lesson says the USA has defaulted before and will do so again to serve its purposes.Hence you should not run to the nearest bridge and jump off. Some pain may be ahead but we will survive as we have at least 6 times before.triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 25, 2011, 09:34:42 AM
Default #6: Ongoing: The Intentional, Further Devaluation of the U.S. Dollar ...
This is all part of “Bernanke's Secret Debt Solution†for the United States. He knows darn well that we can never repay our debts without inflating them away ... by devaluing the dollar.
So do many others in Washington. ...
My late uncle told me that in the Great Depression, debts still had to be paid, they were just deferred at 1/10 to 1/50 (or so) so that the debt could finally be paid of when the economy improved. The rate made it 10 times as hard.
triffid said:
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The history lesson says the USA has defaulted before and will do so again to serve its purposes.Hence you should not run to the nearest bridge and jump off. Some pain may be ahead but we will survive as we have at least 6 times before.triffid
Well, I'll put it this way: When people are starving, they may think they have nothing to live for. I regret to say it, but the Stalinist Communist takeover is a good example. WWII is another. People can act like rabid, starving wolf packs when there's food, shelter and comfort available.
@triffid,
How's your summer been in the heat? Winter is coming, you know. Can you rig up an OU system to heat your house?
--Lee
No I have no ou system to rig up.I hope to get a wood burning stove of some kind.Since I have lots of free wood.I have electric so some kind of electric heat.That and a good warm sleeping bag.triffid
A new wrinkle in our troubled times.Hundreds of job opening listings posted on Monster.com and other jobs sites explicitly state that people who are unemployed would be less attractive applicants, with some telling the long-term unemployed to not even bother with applying. triffid
So now we are creating our have nots.triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 26, 2011, 12:23:52 PM
A new wrinkle in our troubled times.Hundreds of job opening listings posted on Monster.com and other jobs sites explicitly state that people who are unemployed would be less attractive applicants, with some telling the long-term unemployed to not even bother with applying. triffid
@triffid and @all
Someone at the employment service I'm at right now copied a news article that said the same exact thing. Another I had printed out also said that people who're out of work long enough will become unemployable under any and all circumstances. You hit the nail on the head on that one.
I'm not very serious about future employment in this economy. I do this to find a permanent place to live right now.
A Reuters article today (the 27th) indicated that the USA will 'likely' lose its AAA credit rating from at least one rating agency in due course. That not as bad as the debt default, but it's bad enough.
--Lee
Could the default be just another planned way of buying more time, as they know what will happen eventually, but is the only thing they can do?
Quote from: NickZ on July 27, 2011, 01:20:22 PM
Could the default be just another planned way of buying more time, as they know what will happen eventually, but is the only thing they can do?
Well, I suppose so---for those in Washington. In the meantime, people will rather quickly find life to become expensive. That's for lots of things, too. House payments, credit card payments, car loans---and eventually: Food prices.
People will become more than *a little* unhappy when this happens. After that, I don't know. When people get desperate, they can do rash things.
--Lee
Time to take some rash measures ourselves.I was thinking of buying a taser.Maybe I still should?
I have a golf club beside my bed now.I met a homeless man today who worked for a church that laid him off.
He never got unemployment because the church was exempt from paying into it for him.He did cleanup for that church.I asked him if he had family? he could go to?He said they had their own problems.Go figure.triffid
Im 59 now and do not expect to go to work for anyone but myself.In 2008 I knew if I were off work for more than three years almost noone would hire me but now anyone over 50 is finding it real hard to find a job.Even if they play by the rules.Sending out hundreds of resumes,attending workshops,networking with others,etc.So the hiring rules changed after 2008 to exclude those over 50.I did try to go back to work after a year but my company decided not to hire me back.True I had quit them due to an increasing arthritic foot.My supervisor had told me to come back but some boss over him said no.So I applied at that time for disability on my own(no help from lawyers).And got it four months later.I had been off work for a year and a half at the time I started receiving it.I pray it continues.triffid
Concerning triffid's posted Reply #1305,
I'm the same way. 61 yrs old and a disabled Vet. I worked for 25 yrs, but that does me no good now. So, I get by the same way I've always have: Steadily plodding ahead with accasional rest stops.
There was a man on this OU.com board who lived on a mountainside and had a long wire to the top of the mountain that also had an aluminum mesh panel connected to it. This went to transformer(s), capacitor(s), diode(s) and batterie(s). He said could power his home that way.
Can you set up anything like that? Having 60 Hz power all around should make it easier. Just hide all this from copper thieves.
Also, the vote on the debt ceiling happens this evening (the 28th of July) in Congress. Many say it ultimately won't be passed by votes or otherwise vetoed by the President. This doesn't look good at all. I hope I'm wrong.
--Lee
What I heard today was that we would not default but go from a triple A credit rating to a double A credit rating.So I guess there will be a big selloff in the markets on friday?I heard about the guy with the wire on the mountain.Even saw a picture of it.His wire was about 200 to 300 feet above him.The drawing showed his place and the wire was at least that much higher than him.Of course he grounded it very close to his house.Tommie reed here on ou.com got 36 volts off of a metal plate attached to a homemade flagpole.Its AC so he had to convert it to DC.Its not much power however but it could run a calculator or recharge a cell phone.Courtesy of the earth /sun system.triffid
What I can do is set up an earth battery to play with.I use a lone copper pipe about 60 feet from a metal fence to the south of it.So that means the copper is north of this fence.The fence is about 150 feet long and I could set it up about the middle of that fence.And see what happens.i expect to get a voltage just over one volt.Like 1.02 which can be multiplied higher If I want.I played with small earth batteries in texas.So a sixy footer is a big one to me.I have about 20 solar panels to put up around the house.As long as there is some light they would generate some power.St.louis has a lot of rainy days overcast too.triffid
In texas one time I read 9 volts coming off of a solar panel I put on the kitchen floor.the only source of light was the one in the kitchen that I could switch off and on.So these soccer field lights would give you some power if you placed a solar panel underneath them.They are bright enough to do something.Not OU but free to you if you tap into them.triffid
Several people have tried that type of wire output that is mentioned above, is basically from a Tesla patent. But is the small amount of voltage, with no current really going to cut it? All it can do it to light an led, or run a calculator. I think the time or money is better spent on solar panels, if you can afford them? They are now making nanosolar panels that are a thin sheet, but they are not giving those away, either
There seams to be no easy way to get there, yet. Those in control of the resources have made sure of that.
As far as the economic thing goes, they will just keep printing out more paper money, so the banks will lend that out, and continue to keep people as their slaves, in even further debt, as they know they are just buying time. For what? That is like putting make-up on the face of a corpse.
What can we do? Prepare for the worst that is yet to come?
Quote from: triffid on July 27, 2011, 08:07:22 PM
Time to take some rash measures ourselves.I was thinking of buying a taser.Maybe I still should?
I have a golf club beside my bed now.
I get paid the 3rd.
Assuming!!! I actually
!?!? :o get paid to my bank account? Then I'm going to buy a lot of storable food. I'm also thinking of a combat-style, K-bar style knife. There's a war surplus store a few miles from where I live. There's also edged-cutlery sellers in San francisco's Chinatown and elsewhere in The City.
Fortunately, I live in a secured, locked high rise, even if it's in a slum full of what amounts to 'desparados'.
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I met a homeless man today who worked for a church that laid him off.
He never got unemployment because the church was exempt from paying into it for him.He did cleanup for that church.I asked him if he had family? he could go to?He said they had their own problems.Go figure.triffid
I do figure: I'm on my own, just like the church custodian. I'm "making the best of a
potentially bad situation," as they sometimes say.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on July 29, 2011, 01:53:22 AM
In texas one time I read 9 volts coming off of a solar panel I put on the kitchen floor.the only source of light was the one in the kitchen that I could switch off and on.So these soccer field lights would give you some power if you placed a solar panel underneath them.They are bright enough to do something.Not OU but free to you if you tap into them.triffid
This should tie into the posted idea nicely:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1002.0
--Lee
I was amazed to hear on the radio this week that the price of solar panels had come down.Using a small solar panel that I have I was recharging a double A battery with the power coming off of a 75 watt bulb I had to be careful about the heat from the bulb but the double As were being charged,not from an Led as in your other post lee.But the idea was there to recapture some of that lost energy.Maybe a power saving curly cue bulb would be a help?I think too a solar cell placed underneath a shade tree with the wing blowing the branches back and forth would give you varying voltages allowing you to use a step up or step down transformer.The shade has to be spotty.the shadows must be moving back and forth.Hence varying voltages would result from one solar cell.triffid
I have three small solar panels that will recharge two double A batteries each.Bought on sale from harbour freight one time for less than 10 dollars each. one month later price was back up to about $15.00 eachThey have sales on their solar panels 2 or 3 times a year.triffid
I think that the best thing going are solar panels. They can be set up quickly, and are good to have even if you don't use them, just as a battery charging system to keep some lights on at night, if and when needed. I could see prices on cells and panels going through the roof, if something did happen and people bought them all up. Price could be many times higher, if you could even find them.
If we have a default market prices will crash.
If millions of SS checks dont go out as usual lots of people in power will be voted out of office next election around.We still don't know what will happen at this time.triffid
There are things you can do with solar cells.You can reflect up to 10x the sunlight on them to get 10x the power.You can run a fan to blow air on them if you have concerns about them heating up.Solar panels have solder that melts around 400 degrees F so I would not use them so much to get 10x .But aim for 4X.triffid
Administration officials say that without legislation in place by the end of Tuesday, the Treasury will no longer be able to pay all its bills. The result could inflict significant damage on the economy, they add, causing interest rates to rise and financial markets to sink.
Executives from the country's biggest banks met with U.S. Treasury officials to discuss how debt auctions will be handled if Congress fails to raise the borrowing limit before Tuesday's deadline.
But White House press secretary Jay Carney said the administration did not plan to provide the public with details Friday on how the government would prioritize payments.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/30/washington-races-to-resolve-debt-crisis-amid-last-minute-political-jockeying/#ixzz1Tbc9Tv3A
Quote from: triffid on July 30, 2011, 11:06:53 AM
If we have a default market prices will crash.
If millions of SS checks dont go out as usual lots of people in power will be voted out of office next election around.We still don't know what will happen at this time.triffid
I'll just have to wait and see. My landlord said if SSDI checks don't arrive at the bank, they and I could work out an arrangement.
@all who read this:
Many have looked at what triffid and I have written. You may decide for yourself whether or not you want to buy extra food, say, more ammo for your gun---if you have one. Or fuel for your generator---if you have one.
If you have a running OU system, so much the better.
@triffid:
Good to hear that the 75W light bulb battery charger worked in theory and practice. I was thinking of using a computer box cooling fan to ventilate the enclosure. It would also take a lot of solar modules to break even in power output, if it's at all possible. I'd say 35ea. for the bottom of the box I have now.
--Lee
Say, does that star spangled banner yet wave? ;]
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Video-Lily-Anderson-s-inspiring-national-anthem?urn=mlb-wp14271
Mags
Yes that flag will still wave!Americans rally around the flag in times of trouble.Right after 9/11 flags were flying everwhere here in america.So we are reminded what america stands for.One nation out of many nations.We are a diverse people from many nations.But united we stand.Against the world if need be.triffid
I read somewhere that the USA has enough cash in the system to pay its bills for two weeks or three if no deal is struck.Today out in public I heard people saying they were worried about their checks.I am worried too for the rest of my life.I am supposed to be retired for the rest of my life.I plan to at least live to be 91.triffid
First off there is a pretty good reference to my the 500 other programs they can cut other then entitlements to the people.
Visit the video link in this thread: http://www.mopowah.com/viewtopic.php?f=218&t=33
The United States GDP is 14 trillion a year...
Which is second to the European Unions 18 trillion per year.
The European Union would never be able to function as fluidly as the United States because there states are not states and they are not United it is a cabbage patch of different countries they call a union...
The largest GDP in any one of them countries is 2 trillion.
Do we have enough to pay our bills? Yes I believe so...
Do we have enough to pay our debt? Yes I believe so...
Did you know without touching the medicare or Social Security or entitlements to the people there are over 500 different programs that could and should be cut as they are earmark funds.
Did you know that the government politics voted for a 25% pay raise for themselves and they froze the wages of people who are fighting for the country allowing no more yearly raises for military positions the only thing they are allowed is step increases...
Did you know that the government wants more control over your life? And this is the real reason they want us to feel the pinch?
Think about it for one second:
Privacy violations of everyone warrants not needed...
Security cameras every where you look. And even where you don't see them in space.
Social Networking information databases all property of the government for profiling.
Terrorist threats created on a daily basis to manipulate the masses.
Media Outfits constantly repeating these threats these outlets owned by crooked controlling people such as Rupert Murdoch which will do anything to earn an extra buck even drop stories to control you and play your emotions so you make irrational decisions.
They want us to be like china and be submissive little human machines that are basically like slaves.
Instead of laws that protect you the people they want laws that protect the corporations.
Instead of fair taxes across the board they want to tax the poor heavier keeping them poor and eliminating the middle class which is competition for these corporations which they do not wish to tax.
This all boils down to control the corporations both large and small want to control you they want you to live with nothing in cramped quarters use no gas like a third world country and have nothing for yourself other then a roof over your head.
They don't want to ever see the chains come off you they want you to devote every waking thought to making them better so that you do not think of something and become some influence that could stop there financial stream and gravy train.
The only financial disaster I see is an outright fraud on we the people there is no need for things such as bombing Libiya to make the french happy. There is no need for about 500 of these government programs as I have stated. They want you to feel something to make you believe that we need the next freedom we have taken away and they don't want us to open our eyes to these things.
If you are constantly submissive you will be used to submitting and you will continue to submit more and more.
Just remember what made our nation great and prosperous was not being submissive by no means it was standing up to the rights, freedoms, unions, lifestyles and did I say freedoms.
Think about it why are they working so hard now to break up unions in the government it is not people who run it anymore it is corporations.
Why is it that corporations are pocketing up to 70% more cash then they were 20 years ago wages have not gotten that great but yet these gluttons get to take home more and more profits and eliminate more and more jobs through the use of robots.
Who controls this country really? The people control this country they just don't want you to believe it we must all unite again and stand against the theft of our way of life and the lives of our children.
We need to stop looking to the news for information consumption and really think if we do watch the news could they be covering this because they want even more control of your lives yet?
Its REAL people this is no conspiracy theory or whatever all of these mentioned things are happening right before your eyes...
Maybe the Myans knew 2012 was either a new age of serenity or slavery depending upon what we the people allow happen to us...
Eliminate Doom and Gloom that is forced into your head by these media outlets do not believe half of it it is a corporate machine trying to put there fat thumb on you and keep you under it! This is only being created to make all of there crafted plans follow through they want this to be felt in the pocket book so we will believe that there is nothing insidious going on ...
There is !
How come these companies donate millions in campaign money for house reps all the way to presidents and why does the figures keep getting higher and higher?
You think your government is not bought out when a monarchy sits down and has a chat with Corporate giant Rupert Murdoch for his illegal doings something so horrific it would normally be considered Treason to any normal citizen or a life of imprisonment in democracy yet this rich fucker gets a slap on the hand while they sue collage people for stealing a song or a movie for 20,000 or better an already poor person trying to make something of themselves.
Its sick, Its Twisted, Its Corporacracy welcome to the idea of the new world order total control of your lives!
I know what your thinking I'll just sit here eat my chocolate chip cookie and continue to watch it happen because I still have milk in the ice box... Just go right on ahead keep doing so but I would reason to say that the future for you is bleek!
The real thing is I see this at every job that I work at it is sad. There are people that cannot go a lunch hour with out trash talk... People trying to stab one another in the back constantly with there seeds they plant in peoples heads against one another all over. And I sit back and think to myself if people were to work together like they used to and accomplish things as a group instead of underhanding one another they could reach there goals a lot faster. I also sit and think if people are like this at a factory is this what the true nature of people is now adays to screw one another over?
If it is then I see no reason to continue fighting for a country because we are all lost and maybe it would be best if we all ended up impoverished because it would bring back the good qualities in people!
-infringer-
www.mopowah.com
Infringer you are right about these giant corporations He who has the gold(money) makes all the rules.The little corporations are kicked down into submission before the giant ones too.I did like what you said here:Just remember what made our nation great and prosperous was not being submissive by no means it was standing up to the rights, freedoms, unions, lifestyles and did I say freedoms. In the beginning of our country there were people willing to lay down their lives for their country.It could be argued that too many people got fat and lazy.When people get hungry they start to take action again.I hate BP because of that oil spill in the gulf.11 people lost their lives on that oil rig because someone wanted to go cheap on the safety rules.I used to work in the oil industry for a year and saw the hazards but no one brought it home to like one guy did.I interviewed for a job as a chemist in a lab but the guy had no face left.It had been blown off in an explosion two years before in his lab.The longer I looked at him the sicker I got.I did not take the job.today I still have a face.Your life is more important than a job.triffid
When people keep spinning their wheels they get nowhere fast.Much of the media is devoted to treating people like sheep.American Idol is designed to keep your mind off of the important issues like the senseless wars in the middle east now.Amercia could be hell bent on going solar with tax credits and other incentatives.New solar devices could be invented.I propose a new tv program that gets to the heart of much of our troubles.I call it "American Idle".I would show the empty buildings that used to have jobs in them.I would show visits to countries with booming economies.U get the idea.triffid
We are quickly approaching the time when the thousands of hungry fed up people with no jobs, nor money, nor housing, nor even any credit left, will just burn down the cities that have them caught in a desperate trap. And then go after the people living in the country side, and take what they want from them, including their solar panels, wind mills, hydro systems, food sources, guns, etz...
What the corporations want is no one competing with them, even if it means that many of us will have to die as a consequence. Will we allow that to happen??? Or... are we just their slaves, as it seams.
Is it really even up to us anymore? What can really be done, now.
Keep printing and loaning out more worthless paper money, and we'll see what happens. Just what THEY want to happen.
American Idle sounds good I suggest you take a documentary approach....
What can we do you ask...
There is no simple answer NickZ there are movements being made some of them are very controversial such as "Anonymous" which are known for hacking corporations like Monsanto recently... But really it is not hacking which is the reason for this movement if you visit there website which is http://www.whatis-theplan.org/forum you will find that they plan on doing many peaceful protests to bring the injustices of the corporate machine to light and show the world that we are not sheep we are the "mob" as known in the days of old.
There is also the non profit organization which I donate to http://www.eff.org
And there is also another website that helps people that have little or no chances http://www.hackersforcharity.org/
These are just some of the ways we can make a difference we can also make a difference by focusing our efforts on forming support systems at our jobs rather then trying to be individualistic and worrying about your own selfish needs.
Family owned businesses are just as bad as corporations there structure is full of rats, backstabbers, and narcs. If you are not on a friendship or kinship level with the powers that be you will be stuck in a crappy spot and promised a bunch of great stuff that is all nothing but smoke and mirrors to keep you suckered into staying and putting up with stuff that really should be illegal. While all the time you waste at these places busting your but to make the lives of the friends and family better you are ruining your health, wasting your youth, and being exploited. They keep you mentally mind fucked until they feel you have reached a ripe age or physical limit then get rid of you and find the next sucker to take up your slack. Believe it this is real too I have been to some of there gatherings and when they get drunk they actually talk about this kinda sick shit. There latest and greatest plans include exploiting legal and illegal immigrants. It all is fine and dandy when you are not the one being exploited but remember every dog has his day!
Just remember no matter what the crazy debt number is we all must live and as a people we will find a way!
We would not logically as a people allow for this debt knowing our history and what debt causes so it is not the people that are running this show it is corporations there are many motives behind there actions.
There is a scheme behind all of this or we would not have took this route there is an insidious plan behind all of this:
One thing we know for sure they want more control over our lives they do not like to see us free of there chains and prefer that we die in chains rather then free people. This is the only part of the plan that we can see.
What is the other part(s) of the insidious plan? I wish I knew! I can say that china whom keeps borrowing to us must have something to do with it weather its against china or china is in on it against us there is something to this...
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Wasted youth was one of big things of the 1960s.You don'tsee wars fought with arthritic old men.They fought with able bodied young men who can run for miles if need be.At age 19 you could die for your country in vietnam but you could not drink in your country until you were 21.I was told by people around me to go do my duty for my country(when I was 18).I went to college(1970) instead when a college deferment still worked(the last year of it).After that the lottery came out.My birthday put me about 262.After that I had moved to a much bigger county(a much bigger pool of young men with birthdays below mine).I heard that one year everyone with birthdays up to lottery number 99 were drafted and sent off to war.Of course in 1975 it was over.But from 1970 to 1971 I had reasons for concern.Everyone who fled to canada was pardoned many years later.triffid
Just remember no matter what the crazy debt number is we all must live and as a people we will find a way.
I agree so they better be careful.When the only way to survive is to break the law.Then the law will be broken.Staying alive comes first even if it means being in jail eating prison meals.triffid
Yes, all very true. But going to meetings to talk, or complain about it, is not going to solve it. We are like cattle going to the market, and they have the guns.
Nick you posted this:and take what they want from them, including their solar panels, wind mills, hydro systems, food sources, guns, etz...What the corporations want is no one competing with them.
Thats why I'm considering things like stealth gardens even stealth solar panels.I can still generate some solar power from a light source.As Long as I can get some light like a panel of fiberglass that allows a lot of light thru.but you cant see thru it.So I may be the first to think of stealth solar in the world.triffid
I hate banks and I hate corporations too.I try not to rely on them.I hate walmart too.But I am forced to deal with them some.triffid
triffid:
Yes, they've got us just where they want us, in a hopeless situation.
That is the real reason I live where food can grow year round, even if it's just to be stolen by others. Hard to live under snow, half the year, and live to tell about it. The Indians knew how to lived that way, but look what happened to them, the same thing as is happening to us, we are being wiped out.
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...When the only way to survive is to break the law.Then the law will be broken. ...
This was actually graffiti I saw in The Tenderloin(a slum where I live in San Francisco):
"If all I can afford to be is a slut or a vandal, I'm comfortable with that now."(Probably written by a woman.)
But, suppose she gets uncomfortable with the way she has to live? Does she get a gun? I won't, but a helluva lot of people where I'm at now would be tempted.
That's why I like triffid so much. We think practically the same. His posts are pretty much spot on.
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Staying alive comes first even if it means being in jail eating prison meals.triffid
Right again. In prison you have to turn yourself into an animal. There's a special set of real prison documentaries on the TruTV channel in S.F. that says it all.
--Lee
Jewish/Yiddish quotation:
"A starving man can eat anything." I amend: "If he can keep it in his stomach."
Eating crap will only make the end more unpleasant. Sooner, too.
Probably the first thing to happen is to make all guns or weapons, against the law, so we can't even defend ourselves. Maybe Wallmart has a sale on them now. Be the first on your block to get yours, while they last. Next week the price is going up. The slut that was not comfortable any more, may be selling them too, and living in a penthouse.
NO, don't get me wrong. As I'd rather die first than to shoot to kill.
If you have 42 minutes to spend on a video that tells you whats coming here is a link to it http://w3.newsmax.com/a/aftershockb/video.cfm?promo_code=CA79-1 triffid
According to the link I provided above :For the years 2013-2016 inflation on the order of 10-100 percent is coming.Joblessness could increase to 50%.Once you get inflation of 10 to 20% most of your savings will be wiped out.Good news is no hyperinflation.Only 100%.Foreign investment in the usa will vanish.Long term bonds are no good.Most US debt is short term.36% is less than a year.So when interest rates start rising (small amounts at first then larger later)the government debt will increase dramatically again.Buy gold and silver these could still rise over the next decade or longer.Buy a currency ETF called UDN.The value of which will rise as the dollar falls.Real estate values will continue to fall for the next 5 years.48% of americans see a great depression coming.Bob Wiedemer who talks in the video agrees that one is coming in 2013.triffid
So food will get more expensive.Already you can save the cans it comes in wash them out and sell them for 9 cents a lb here in st.Louis.Load up on canned foods now.Get dry food stuffs like mashed potatoes.Buy a taser if not a gun.I have a golf club beside my bed at night.Anyone who wants my gun(if I had one) would have to come get it.Basic right here in america.The right to bear arms.triffid
Speaking of eating crap to survive I know of a way to eat most anything that spoiled.Even if it smells bad.One teaspoon of apple cider vinegar to 8 oz of water.Most food posioning is due to a nasty bacteria called samonella which is killed right in your stomach if you drink the vinegar water before you eat the food.The acetic acid in the apple cider vinegar is the active ingredient.Its also good insurance to drink it after you eat something that may have been spoiled.I ate some hot dogs that were spoiled last week.I should not have but I had the vinegar water handy.I had no problems at all.Now if the food is posioned with something else then my vinegar water will not work on say metal posioning.triffid
I don't know if applecider vinegar water works for E.coli.I only know that it works for samonella food posioning.I would never eat anything with mold on it either.If you have some money to try to preserve Then you might be interested in the comments below:
In the meantime, there's no question you must continue to protect your wealth like never before. That means ...
A. Holding gold in various mediums: Physical, ETFs, gold mutual funds, and mining shares.
B. Staying OUT of the U.S. Treasury note and bond markets. Period.
C. Being very careful in the broad U.S. and European stock markets. They remain vulnerable in the short term, but long term, I am becoming more and more bullish due to the near constant devaluations of the dollar, the consequence of which will ultimately mean reflation in stocks.
D. Investing in regions of the world that are growing, where there are no indebted countries, where there are consumers spending money, and where entrepreneurship is leapfrogging higher.
That's Asia, where there are huge opportunities to grow your wealth, and where there will be for years to come
I have very few specifics like the currency ETF I gave eariler.triffid
Looks llike this might get voted on today:"Now, is this the deal I would have preferred? No," Obama said. "But this compromise does make a serious down payment on the deficit reduction we need, and gives each party a strong incentive to get a balanced plan done before the end of the year."
The legislation would slice more than $2 trillion from federal spending over a decade and permit the nation's $14.3 trillion borrowing cap to rise by up to $2.4 trillion, enough to keep the government afloat through the 2012 elections - a key objective for Obama, whose poll numbers have sagged as the summertime crisis dragged on.
Oh yeah the article was titled Congress moves quickly.Like we already know how that is.
triffid
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... The legislation would slice more than $2 trillion from federal spending over a decade and permit the nation's $14.3 trillion borrowing cap to rise by up to $2.4 trillion, enough to keep the government afloat through the 2012 elections - a key objective for Obama, whose poll numbers have sagged as the summertime crisis dragged on. ...
Both sides don't like this much. Some on either side don't like it a lot. The Tea Partyers, for one. It's still far from "a done deal", as they say sometimes.
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Oh yeah the article was titled Congress moves quickly.Like we already know how that is.
triffid
Uh huh. There was still a filibuster going on, I believe. Otherwise more debate is probably planned. That's how they are.
Got paid today. I'm getting sodas first. 2 liter bottles keep months and are on sale where I go. Dry and canned food items are next. Even if this is a false alarm toward "The Collapse", it's a good idea anyway. I was a Boy Scout once.
--Lee
like you said lee,its far from a done deal.House passed a bill but now it goes to the senate.Maybe it will pass????Anyway even if it passes the senate the dollar is in decline.I bought some silver back when it was 25.25 .an oz saw it drop to 17 something,had to wait a year to see it climb back up to about 48 then drop to about 34.00.Since the 1970s I have always had a see/saw relationship with gold and silver.I would buy it.Run into a tight spot where I always sold for less than I bought it.Of course I never made money doing this.So I tried to learn better.I went into stocks but it took five years to make a profit.I am glad you got paid today.I hope you get paid from now on too.triffid
I would like to say that the video you shared seemed all staged I mean look at how they talk... Ever think for a minute that maybe the economy is in the healing process and people want to get there gold out from underneath them at a minimal loss or silver whatever would be the case... I see a time when precious metals will not be so precious in the future then what what happens when we are able to create gold from other metals or possibly transmutate it... I don't think any precious metal will save you then. There is more to an economy then silver and gold it is a very old standard and people pushing for not supporting our countries money could also be part of what could potentially cause more grief as well. All that I ask is that you look at both sides of the scope. I do believe that corporate folks do a lot of controlling in this world. But I don't want to say that I know everything either having the god complex is a bad thing many great things were accomplished through trial and error...
This video was fairly inspiring on this note. http://youtu.be/K5wCfYujRdE check this out folks economies are very complex things this guy is a much more trust worthy economist as he doesn't really take sides very good lecture and understanding the whole scope of the Economy in new york would take you 310 years complex indeed.
I do however hold to my beliefs that corporate entities should watch this as well and learn that it is part of there god complex and wanting to play god that got them there the economy is proof enough to show that you cannot be that greedy or that power hungry because in the end they will even suffer without the middle class without the competition it really will not matter how rich you are because you will not come out of it with even half of what you had in the long run.... So why ruin the economy. Nature has balance and so does the economy the same poison that they give us will eventually infect them as well.
In my book I am not afraid of what lies ahead because what lies ahead will enlighten the world whether it is extreme as these "experts" proclaim or not hard times are a great lesson and empower the people as I said to become less selfish... Pay close attention to things don't be drawn in by every doom and gloom article that you read this one that was posted was obviously staged while there may be some good content in the article or in the "free version" of the aftershock I would like to say that you should keep in mind that no one person or group of persons has the brains to know everything let alone know everything before it happens if they did they surely would have not published books to make money because they would know so much about the economy they wouldn't have to resort to this with there initial release and that would have been free as well cause they would already have everything they wanted.
There are 2 sides to every coin many say but I say what about looking at the edge of the coin is that not considered a side as well.
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I guess it all depends on your point of view.I found the following from a post from a viewer from an article on "autopay".There are profound truths everywhere sometimes when you least expect it.
Senior health care solution
So you’re sick senior citizen and the government says there is no nursing home available for you-What to do?
Our plan gives anyone 65 years or older a gun a 4 bullets. You are allowed to shoot 4 politicians-not necessarily dead!
Of course, this means you will be sent to prison where you will get 3 meals a day, a roof over your head, central heating, and all the health care you need! New teeth-
no problem. Need glasses, great. New hip, knees, kidney, lungs, heart? All covered. (And your kids can come and visit you as often as they do now).
And who will be paying for all this? The same government that just told you that they cannot afford for you to go into a home.
Plus, because you are a prisoner, you don’t have to pay any income taxes
I am not too anxious to jump on the gold and silver band wagon.I realize that maybe I should have bought maybe 100 oz somewhere along the road in life I took.Afterall for many years It was below $400 an oz.In 1985 I went thru a gold panning phase in my life.I spent a summer learning how to pan it.Back then I made a decision not to buy it but to learn how to mine it myself.I never counted on arthritis being a big factor in my life back then.Like it is now.Still I would mine it now if I lived where I can find it.There are a lot of states where gold was found in the past.There is gold in the arkansas river and it goes through a number of states.I have panned gold out of the arkansas river but it would take 40 hours a week to get one oz.So it became like a job to me.Back then it was less than $400 an oz.Now at $1500 an oz its more tempting to do.triffid
I am concerned about the middle class being waged war against by the corporations like walmart.Where they set up in small towns they drove the mom and pop stores out of business and often hired them back at min wage to work in their new store.Hence these people knew how to make you poorer and that was one of their objectives.To think that someone else who you do not know can take away your income scares the dickens out of me.triffid
Still no done debt deal at this time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0
The World is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real, because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round, and it has thrills and chills and is very brightly colored, and it's very loud. And it's fun, for a while.
Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they've begun to question, 'Is this real, or is this just a ride?', and other people have remembered, and they've come back to us and they say 'Hey, don't worry. Don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride.' and we KILL THOSE PEOPLE.
"Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride! SHUT HIM UP! Look at my furrows of worry. Look at my big bank account, and my family. This just has to be real."
It's just a ride.
But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that. You ever noticed that? And let the demons run amok. But it doesn't matter, because ... It's just a ride.
And we can change it anytime we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings of money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear wants you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead see all of us as one.
Here's what we can do to change the world right now, to a better ride:
Take all that money we spent on weapons and defense each year and instead spend it feeding, clothing, and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and WE CAN EXPLORE SPACE, TOGETHER, BOTH INNER AND OUTER, forever ... in peace.
-- Bill Hicks (1961 - 1994)
rest in peace bill...
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like you said lee,its far from a done deal.House passed a bill but now it goes to the senate.Maybe it will pass????
It did pass. But so what? Too many legislators are complaining it's either not enough of a financial remedy or it take us in a closer direction toward Greece's problems. And a credit downgrade has its own set of problems to saddle us with.
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Anyway even if it passes the senate the dollar is in decline.I bought some silver back when it was 25.25 .an oz saw it drop to 17 something,had to wait a year to see it climb back up to about 48 then drop to about 34.00.Since the 1970s I have always had a see/saw relationship with gold and silver.I would buy it. ...Of course I never made money doing this. ...
Oh, yeah! I collected coins when I was younger and never made money off them. Expensive hobby.
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Run into a tight spot where I always sold for less than I bought it. ... So I tried to learn better.I went into stocks but it took five years to make a profit.I am glad you got paid today.I hope you get paid from now on too.triffid
Everyone in my building is concerned, but now that the bill will be signed by the President, we'll get paid.
Little comfort, still. Congress kicked the can down the road again. There's no end to this!
NOTE:I've looked at the poll on this thread, and I believe it one of the biggest at OU. The percentage of those who think the economy will never recover has hovered around 52% for many months.
This thread is also one of the longest ones the "News" Forum, as well.
--Lee
Yeah it finally passed..WASHINGTON (AP) â€" The Senate emphatically passed emergency legislation Tuesday to avoid a first-ever government default, rushing the legislation to President Barack Obama for his signature just hours before the deadline. The vote was 74-26.
Obama signed the bill little more than an hour later.
Tuesday's vote capped an extraordinarily difficult Washington battle pitting tea party Republican forces in the House against Obama and Democrats controlling the Senate. The resulting compromise paired an essential increase in the government's borrowing cap with promises of more than $2 trillion of budget cuts over the next decade.
"It's an important first step to ensuring that as a nation we live within our means," Obama said after the vote.
But I agree the pain will still continue.The dollar will fall further and that inflation is still on its way.2013-2016 may be the years we start seeing 10% and more.
triffid
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... But I agree the pain will still continue.The dollar will fall further and that inflation is still on its way.2013-2016 may be the years we start seeing 10% and more.
triffid
Europe is still a chronic sore spot on the worldwide economic landscape. Every one of their economic systems is weaker than ours. If it isn't the U.S. Congress, it's Greece, Spain, Italy, or some other country.
"One thing or another."As I said,
"This isn't ever going end!" Trust me, I've seen this in history more than once. Pre-WWII Germany and the 1980's Balkans are two examples.
--Lee
Willy mighty fine post man we are all one indeed.
What the corporations do not want you to know is that once we are all one without a care for the corporate structure they will be shit out of luck when we stop buying all of there gadgets and gizmos..
Which we should all boycott Foxconn Et Al after the 14 worker suicides they have had due to working conditions they push people way to far and should not be allowed a place of business in the market! All of the people they make products for I will be boycotting as well later Apple! I am tired of people being treated like shit by people cause they have more money. It is like they forget where they came from! I am not all too happy with companies in general very few do things to show there appreciation you hear many people even outright that they and you are just a number and nothing else. They expect full cooperation from you with no return.
I say to these companies and corporations: "Plot all you want. The thicker it gets the thicker the return. Your choice heinz ketchup or a cement truck."
People are waking up to the world and we will free ourselves from the grips of the self servant few!
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Quote from: infringer on August 02, 2011, 07:37:39 PM
People are waking up to the world and we will free ourselves from the grips of the self servant few!
A friend told me years ago he had dreamed prophetically that the world would suffer a drastic recession that would cause the economic system to continue a half-speed for a while and then finally collapse altogether.
I admit now that that was what I was originally thinking when I started this thread. Okay, it was second hand, but I forgot it---until I woke up one morning after I read about the beginning of the Great Recession a couple of years ago.
I never told that to anyone until now---so this is especially directed to triffid because he and I see things the same way and I wanted him to know what I thought the truth was as I perceived it.
Everyone else can think what they they want. My opinion still stands:
"I see an economic disaster coming..."Do the best you can, triffid.
--Lee
You see it coming but provide no real solutions to the problem. Pinch yourself you are awake and I agree there is something weird going on there and there need to be corrective action but what exactly is the correct way to go about correcting something so big I don't believe that any one person holds all the answers to this. And I don't believe it will be a bowl of cherries the corporate machine extends fairly far reaching... This is not the first time in the history of the USA that we fall on tough times but it surely will not be the last either. Thinking about just your own social security or retirement is for your benefit but it is not just you that has these worries think of the generations after you they are basically promised that they will not retire before they are 70 years of age and there will not be social security available to them but yet they are forced to pay into this fund. Talk about getting screwed up the yang...
Your likely not going to have to worry but while you are alive you should instill in the youth the message that you do not get anywhere by simply sitting there and watch life pass you by then collect another paycheck. It is a constant battle you need to instill in the youth not to be a push over and not to settle and live in there comfort bubble. You need to instill in the youth that if they become politics that they should not allow others to put insidious things in legislation when trying to solve a problem. There should be a law against putting extra stuff in legislation there should only be one piece of legislation that can be allowed to pass at a time.
Anyhow I see a possible economic disaster coming myself but we must not just sit there in a shell and live life like a turtle either and for some of us there is no choice really other then to press on and continue to push in our own little way for better for the people of this great nation.
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a nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves.
thanks infringer, credit to the inimitable bill hicks.
In case of DEFAULT: Stay calm, pay taxes, and RUN LIKE HELL.
Quote from: NickZ on August 03, 2011, 12:56:16 PM
In case of DEFAULT: Stay calm, pay taxes, and RUN LIKE HELL.
Yeah, find a good place to hide! ! ! Europe, economically, is a really big problem area and will be for some time to come. Otherwise, there's plenty of bad situations developing around the world to contribute to the overall economic mess.
Practically everywhere.
--Lee
You're right, but living in cities in times of possible total civil disorder is not a good idea, either. Most people are stuck like glue, to the upcoming changes, disregarding the voice of fear they hear in their heads.
Not all places are affected in the same way, as living on a fault line.
Lee you are right it will never end.Ron Paul says the debate in washington merely rammed thru a bigger budget on the american people.He says if we could freeze spending for five years then the economy could recover.The american states are stronger than the individual countries in Europe.I think Ron Paul is the man to go to if you want answers.Once again his hotline number is 1-888-322-1414. Free to call to get his weekly update.He updates his hotline every monday.triffid
Things to do for yourself.Save your cash at least 10% of it.The dollar has lost 21% of its value in the last year.But I no longer see hyperinflation coming.Try to stop paying rent to anybody.Stock up on canned goods.
If you are on SS or disability there are senior discounts and government programs that cater to you.try to take advantage of them while you still have them.Go to food pantrys.If you can save enough cash you might be able to buy yourself a house but I recommend you look before you buy.If the copper pipes and wires are gone they will have to be replaced at your expense.If you must live in a tent which I did for three months one time.On my own land.Dont think its the end of the world. triffid
I decided a long time ago to be young forever.That means that I get up out of bed each day and do things,meet and talk with people.We may complain about the government.As far as teaching young people about money.I ran across one book that made me $100,000 in five years.Everyone I tell that to wants a copy but it went out of print about 20 years ago.Not before I bought 20 copies and gave a copy to each of my three brothers.Now it woke up each of my brothers.They always had more money after that book came into their lives.I have one copy left.As good as it was for me the plan inside was too simple.Save at least 10% of your cash,pretend you don't have it,invest the 10 % somewhere(in my case I chose my company stock),make the savings automatic so you never see the money.So after I bought company stock for five years it went up five times in value.
So I thought I was on my way to being a millionaire back in the 1990's.But soon the value of it started going back down and the IRS rules said I had to quit my JOB to get it out of my IRA.I did not have the courage to quit my JOB at that time.So it dropped to $40,000 from $100.000 then went back up to $60,000.Four years later I did quit and only got $50,000 out of my IRA.I learned I could not control the stock market and interest rates.I learned that I had tied up my money too tightly by letting it be bound up by IRS rules for that IRA.
Thats why I said the plan in that book was too simple.I had learned how to make it maybe but not how to KEEP IT. triffid
So I started trying to learn how to keep it since the mid 1990s.At my new job The IRS rules were not so restrictive.But The stock market was wild in those early days.I did not have 1000 shares or anything like that until I was with them for eight years.By that time (2005) the value had dropped from $100 a share to about $13.00 at its lowest.So now that I'm retired I no longer have stocks since I sold them some time back.I do have my own house paid for.I had to lose a brother to get that.If I had known what to do back in the early 1990's I could have been a millionaire by 2000 but that is hindsight and its always 20/20.triffid
I plan to go into real estate in a big way as a base for my wealth.I have far more control over real estate than I do the stock market or interest rates.triffid
I do read other financial books.One was about how people with no education and no money who came to this country without being able to speak english.That book was about several people who were in that condition and how they made it big.One couple who had a business lived in the store for a year and paid off their business before they got an apartment one year later.Another guy had an opening deadline in the morning for his business in a shopping mall.Things were not ready so he paid the carpenters and other help double and triple the normal wages to have them work through the night.He opened on time with the store ready for the public.As an example I said to save 10% but one of these people might save 70% or more to reach their goals.
So the government may not help you but there are things you can do for yourself.Like read books!triffid
Some interesting reading on the drinking bird:Like the power generated by one:
A recent analysis[3] showed that the evaporative heat flux driving a small bird was about 1â,,2 W, whereas the mechanical power expressed in bird's motion was about 1â,,20,000 W. The system efficiency is about 0.01%. More practically, about 1â,,1,000,000 W can be extracted from the bird, either with a coil/magnet or a ratchet used to winch paperclips.
Recently, a 'dunking bird of the second kind' was introduced [4], which, while similar to the original drinking bird, is not a heat engine, and will operate without a temperature difference, instead extracting free energy directly from the evaporation of water. triffid
A giant minto wheel.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za9td23Vk0c&feature=related triffid
A much smaller minto wheel doing useful work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs_OtCsDJoY
triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 03, 2011, 06:34:36 PM
I plan to go into real estate in a big way as a base for my wealth.I have far more control over real estate than I do the stock market or interest rates.triffid
Speaking of which: The American stock market was down sharply on Wed. & Thurs (8/3 & 8/4). Europe is just as bad. They have less flexibility to play money games on the large scale that we do. And we're still connected to them.
--Lee
No big surprise as people start their fears anew.Afterall all that really happened was we had a bigger budget rammed down our throats.What? you won't get paid if we don't come to agreement they said to 50 million people on SS,etc.Nevermind the stock market reacted like this :Wall Street on Thursday had its worst day since the depths of the 2008-09 recession and financial crisis
, as fears mushroomed worldwide about the faltering global economy.
Nearly every major U.S. stock index now is in the red for 2011.
The numbers tell the ugly tale:
--- The Dow Jones industrial average (charted below) plummeted 512.76 points, or 4.3%, to 11,383.68, the lowest close since Dec. 9, 2010. The Dow now is off 1.7% year to date.
--- The Dow’s point drop was the largest since it fell 680 points on Dec. 1, 2008. The percentage drop was the largest since the 4.6% plunge on Feb. 10, 2009.
--- Percentage declines in other major indexes for the day: Standard & Poor’s 500, down 4.8%; Nasdaq composite, down 5.1%; New York Stock Exchange composite, down 5.4%; Russell 2,000 small-stock index, down 6%.
--- Year to date the S&P 500 is down 4.6%, Nasdaq is off 3.6%, the NYSE index is down 6.7% and the Russell has slumped 7.2%.
If I were buying stocks now would be the time to buy! When everyone else is selling!Cash is king!triffid
Stocks I plan to buy?AGNC,IVR,ARR all of which thanks to todays sell off pay dividends of 19% or better.They are mostly real estate REITs.When interest rates start going up they may be bad buys.But I doubt it.I don'tthink it will happen for a couple of years anyway.triffid
When it comes to raising interest rates the government will be one big chicken.Only a little at first then maybe more a little later???triffid
I am not buying stocks right now but if I were the three I mentioned would be my picks.triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 04, 2011, 05:52:31 PM
Nearly every major U.S. stock index now is in the red for 2011.
good!
Quote from: triffid on August 04, 2011, 05:52:31 PM
The numbers tell the ugly tale:
--- The Dow Jones industrial average (charted below) plummeted 512.76 points, or 4.3%, to 11,383.68, the lowest close since Dec. 9, 2010. The Dow now is off 1.7% year to date.
--- The Dow’s point drop was the largest since it fell 680 points on Dec. 1, 2008. The percentage drop was the largest since the 4.6% plunge on Feb. 10, 2009.
--- Percentage declines in other major indexes for the day: Standard & Poor’s 500, down 4.8%; Nasdaq composite, down 5.1%; New York Stock Exchange composite, down 5.4%; Russell 2,000 small-stock index, down 6%.
--- Year to date the S&P 500 is down 4.6%, Nasdaq is off 3.6%, the NYSE index is down 6.7% and the Russell has slumped 7.2%.
i hope the whole house of cards comes crashing down...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 04, 2011, 06:41:37 PM
good!
i hope the whole house of cards comes crashing down...
You asked me when, after at least 1 1/2 years, the "collapse" I predicted was going to happen?
Is what's going on now enough of an indication? You sure? You were skeptical in the past. Are? You? Now? Why or why not?!?!?! Justify your answer.
You took that tone of language with me before. Happy now? I'm looking for a financial disaster, as I said. I'll deal with whatever what happens as it comes. A lot of people will, as I see it.
What about you? You're a troll, in my opinion, and you did it to me in the past. I have a reason for saying all this. You don't deserve the truth from me, but I'll address others with what I think is reality, as I see it. I don't particularly care what you think. This is mostly more than you rate as an answer. Pissing you off would satisfy me, however. I don't tell a few people they're "full of shit".
You do.
--Lee
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Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 04, 2011, 07:18:40 PM
You asked me when, after at least 1 1/2 years, the "collapse" I predicted was going to happen?
and you never did say when... what's your point? did you have one?
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 04, 2011, 07:18:40 PM
Is what's going on now enough of an indication? You sure? You were skeptical in the past. Are? You? Now? Why or why not?!?!?! Justify your answer.
no. yes. yes. because we have been here (raising the debt ceiling) before haven't we... ::) tu stultus es...
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 04, 2011, 07:18:40 PM
You took that tone of language with me before. Happy now? I'm looking for a financial disaster, as I said. I'll deal with whatever what happens as it comes. A lot of people will, as I see it.
i am almost always happy... ::)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 04, 2011, 07:18:40 PM
What about you? You're a troll, in my opinion, and you did it to me in the past. I have a reason for saying all this. You don't deserve the truth from me, but I'll address others with what I think is reality, as I see it. I don't particularly care what you think. This is mostly more than you rate as an answer. Pissing you off would satisfy me, however. I don't tell a few people they're "full of shit".
You do.
--Lee
what about me? and you're an ignoramus, in my opinion... there, we have traded ad hominems... happy now? ::) you don't have the 'truth'. ::) if you don't care what i think why are you so upset? again, tu stultus es... yeah electric goose is full of shit and i showed why... do you have evidence to show otherwise?
A day after one of the nation's largest food recalls, federal health officials warned the public that frozen turkey bought weeks or even months ago and stored in a home freezer could be contaminated with a deadly strain of salmonella.
I told you guys that apple cider vinegar water can handle this bad boy if you drink it before you eat the bad food.One died,77 others sick from the outbreak.triffid
Maybe earth had two moons once upon a time? http://news.yahoo.com/earth-had-two-moons-crashed-form-one-study-170201124.html triffid
I never knew the moon had a solid iron core either! http://www.space.com/61-inside-earth-s-moon-infographic.html triffid
More on the moon! http://www.space.com/9926-moon-life.html Mercury may have water on it too!Other video clips are here on space.triffid
is the moon a part of this alleged 'coming economic disaster'?
At 9 cents a lb here in st.Louis that iron core would be worth a lot!I do believe the moon should be part of our econonmic future disaster or not!triffid
Might be a good place to go, when things get out of hand here. If the occupants let us. Maybe their economic system has not failed, yet, until we get there.
Quote from: triffid on August 05, 2011, 11:38:25 AM
At 9 cents a lb here in st.Louis that iron core would be worth a lot!I do believe the moon should be part of our econonmic future disaster or not!triffid
the moon affects so many cycles of life here on earth, particularly in the oceans, we probably shouldn't mess with it too much. ;) maybe the trojan asteroid 2010tk7 would be a better alternate for mining?
I check out theintelhub.com each day.
Here is an article on a raid at Rawesome foods. They took everything and disposed of it, even though the warrant said to take samples for test..
http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/03/photos-from-rawesome-foods-raid-prove-government-agents-illegally-stole-entire-inventory-of-buyers-club/
My friend buys organic, non pasteurized, non homogenized milk here in Fl that comes from Amish Dutch in Pa. $10 a gal.
He says store milk is dead. cooked dead. He said its why some cant drink milk. Much harder to digest. Plus whatever steroids and antibiotics causing who knows what to us.
Most dont know that just about all food has been genetically modified and or antibiotics and other harmful chemicals.
Look into it. Find out what you are really eating. And find out how THEY are trying to squash organic growers. Can we even buy seeds that are not modified already?
Im looking into indoor LED growing. The Chinese are doing it with great success. No bugs, controlled environment year round.
Mags
If any of you can get a copy, read Seeds of Destruction. It describes how it all started. Makes me sick.
Mags
This 30 minute or longer presentation tells us what life could be like in the good old USA once the world stops lending us money and the federal government just prints more money to pay its bills.Keep in mind they sell a financial serve.They warn that cities and states can no longer borrow money.So to get a foretaste look at whats happening in certain cities and states that have already run out of money.In a few states paved roads are being converted back to gravel.Police force force has been cut,retirement checks to state workers stopped. http://agorafinancial.com/reports/AWN/cc/AWN_creditcard_alt_vp2.php?code=LAWNM731
triffid
#1 live somewhere that is safe not in a state whose credit is gone.Still has a police force.
#2 Move your money out of harms way.401ks,IRAs and pension funds are being eyed at by lawmakers.
#3 underground banking don't have to hold dollars.he sells a report on this.
In 1982 Mexico had a recession.40%unemployment and food prices went up 100% in a very short time.
There is no doubt we are headed for disaster.The question is when???
And what to do about it?I guess it will be different from state to state.
Could include no pays and slowpays on SS and medical services.
triffid
Mags,I liked your bit about indoor growing with LEDs.One town in california has already said it will no longer send police out on thefts(oakland I believe).You call 911 there and nobody comes out for a growing list of crimes. So people are forced to buy guns just like the wild west.triffid
Willy I would love to mine asteroids anytime!!!Now that I know the moon has an iron core I think maybe a magnetic spaceship could get us there! triffid
Yummy!I found a savings account that you can hold gold in! https://www.everbank.com/personal/precious-metals.aspx?tab=gold Maybe the way to save from now on? triffid
I'm very far from you all, and yet the same things are happening here, seams to be a popular world wide trend....
Which is one of the reasons that I need to get an electricity generator system going for my home, or even a portable one also, that requires no outside source to work. Solar still seams like the best way to go, if you've got sunlight. But, solar is not cheap, or much less free... and batteries need to be replaced after a while.
I think that the indoor grow lights are another very practical idea, as food may become the biggest problem of all to obtain, with or without chemicals. But, then again it takes electricity to grow your own food. It takes a water source, and a well and water pump to pump water from a well. But all quite necessary in possible times to come. If I were going to INVEST, those would be the kinds of things I'd spend my money on.
Solar can be a lot cheaper than you think.A solar panel that can keep a car battery topped off if you hardly ever use it can be bought for around $30.00.Most have built in blocking diodes so you get that at no extra cost if you are careful.Then a car battery at whatever price you can. For less than a $100 you can put together a solar corner like I had in my house in texas for eight years.I used a 12 volt system for everything hooked up my solar panel.Inverters waste energy so I designed my system without one.I like the LED idea of growing plants indoors.Who sells those LEDs?They have to copy sunlight or the plants don't get the rays they need to grow.triffid
Remember you can reflect more light on a solar panel to get more power.Up to 10X.triffid
Here is just 1 of many sites that sell led lights for growing.
http://www.advancedledlights.com/categories/3W-LED-Grow-Lights/
As for powering them, they should be economical per lumen output. Economical enough to run off of a battery that is charged by solar. And days that are dark, using wall power or a small gen to keep the battery up should not be too bad.
Leds can be had very cheap, even on ebay 100 or more for 20 bucks with resistors. ;] Just need to know the spectrum needed and mix n match to get good balance.
And lets say someone here breaks down and reveals an ou device, the indoor food garden could perpetuate. ;]
Or just run the leds on a big joule thief. ;] ;]
Any way i look at it, the outcome has to be good.
And what is "cool" about leds, the amount of heat they dissipate is less than fluorescent bulbs per light output. So temperatures can be maintained easily for year round perfect environment.
Mags
Yes, possibly when the time is right that electrical generator we have all been waiting for will be invented, that will take care of all our personal household power needs. That is what I'm banking on...
But, in the meantime a solar back-up system that can be incorporated into everyday use, would not hurt. Every dollar spent on solar can go a long ways... until something better comes along.
Hello Everyone,
I feel it is necessary once again to make a distinction between an over unity device and a free energy device.
An OU device is one which outputs more energy than it takes to run it, therefore yielding a surplus of energy. This is commonly referred to as >100%. It is important to distinguish that only the energy that is over 100% is available to be utilised. For example, a device that runs at 110% is an OU device and 10% of the energy output is available for use after the system running cost is paid.
A free energy device produces an energy output that is available to be utilised by the user at zero fuel cost to the user. For example, a device that runs at 20% efficiency will provide 20% of the energy available from the fuel to be used by the end user. If the fuel cost is zero for the user then this is a 20% surplus of energy available to be utilised by the end user. An increase in efficiency of the device is directly correlated with an increase in available energy to the end user, a 50% efficient device will provide 50% of the energy available in the fuel to the end user to be utilised as work done.
This is a very important distinction to be made and I do wish that people would be more accurate in defining what they mean as an OU device and a free energy device are not the same thing. OU devices are just around the corner, free energy devices have been around forever.
The major difference to understand is that a free energy device provides useable energy to the end user at no cost to the end user. A cost has however been paid by the universal system that provides that energy source. The only cost to you is in collecting and processing the fuel for use by the device / system.
Examples of free energy sources include solar, wind, tidal, and bio matter.
I have already covered Growbox technology extensively and discussed the differences between CFL, HPS and LED systems:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/read/184455
This system runs off electricity and so a fuel source and a device to convert that fuel to electricity is necessary. This is already available and is obsolete technology that is experiencing a rebirth:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10708.0
What we are interested in with this thread is gasification technology. This allows you to take dried biomass (wood chips) and convert it to combustible gases. This gas will then run a standard off the shelf ICE generator without modification.
Some beer mat calculations tell us that a 2†fire tube model will provide 5 HP which will be sufficient to run a 5HP ICE powered wood chipper machine giving you the capability to process your own fuel source, you only need to go and collect it.
A second EGU 2†fire tube model will allow you to run a standard off the shelf ICE 2.4Kw / 5HP generator to provide electricity for your growbox(s).
This will allow you to run 3 off 600W HPS bulbs which will comfortably grow 6 hemp plants in self watering containers per growbox. If you wanted to stress your generator at maximum (not recommended) you could run 4 off growboxes.
This system is scalable and simply requires more $ for the hardware setup to provide the quantity of food you wish to grow.
Once you add heat recovery and management systems you will have the ability to heat your home in winter while growing food, as well as storing energy in a battery bank for 12 hours every 24 hour cycle.
If you are considering LED's (not my choice currently) then I suggest you study the links and learn about mother boards and daughter boards. The number of LED's you will need is currently cost prohibitive and the technology is rapidly maturing offering larger outputs for less $ every year, currently HPS is your best bet and very cheap. A single HPS bulb will last for a year before needing replacement offering excellent bang for the $.
This system is fully understood and simple, can be built relatively cheaply and will offer you the ability to be fully self sufficient in your community off the grid with zero fuel cost to you, right now, today.
This information has been fully available for months now and yet it seems people have not grasped the implications which makes me wonder if anyone actually bothers to read the information I, and others, have laboured to provide for you, free of obligation.
Hope this is helpful to you all,
RM :)
RM
Just how many wood chips does it take to grow your, emm, tomatoes, from start to finish?
Mags
Hi Mags,
Excellent question! :)
I do not currently know the rate of fuel consumption of wood chips from personal experience. I have been attempting to build an EGU Mk2 variant but do not have the funding to complete the project anytime soon. Until my EGU is completed I cannot answer that question, however, there are people around the world with working gasifier systems and if the rate of consumption was too high then the device would not be viable. It clearly is.
Remember that gasifiers are currently used to power automobile engines which have a very large fuel demand. For example a typical truck will have an ICE that has an engine in excess of 100 HP and therefore a large fuel demand. A small ICE generator has a 5HP engine and therefore a far smaller fuel demand.
If the gasifiers are capable of running trucks without the driver having to stop and refill the fuel hopper every ten minutes then it is perfectly reasonable to assume that a similar quantity of fuel will run a smaller demand for far longer.
So in the example of the 100 HP truck ICE, then the same quantity of fuel should run 20 off 5 HP generator ICE's at the same rate of consumption. I know this is not the precise answer you were looking for but is the best I can provide at current time without experimental data. There is clearly an advantage to be gained though in utilising this technology on a smaller scale.
Once you add the potential of plasma, for example by creating a nitrogen plasma on the engine air intake (the safest way), the efficiency of the gasifier will increase and therefore the fuel demand will decrease for the same loading.
The amount of fuel needed is also dependant on the type of crop grown. The reason for this is that the crop will have a growing cycle from seed to harvest. From now on I will only be talking about the Hemp plant as tomatoes are a waste of time, and very difficult to grow. If you were going to rely on tomatoes to feed your family in a survival situation then the odds are your not going to make it.
The Hemp plant is very easy to cross breed, and there are many strains that have been pioneered by the cannabis growers in Holland, where it is legal to do so. The aim of the game will be to create a strain with the highest biomass yield (weight) with the shortest growing time.
There is currently a huge range of plants to choose from with growing cycles from 16+ weeks to as little as 10 weeks from seed to maturity. There are also variations in the demand for hours of light, with some plants needing only 12 hours or less and others needing up to 24 hours constant. This can no doubt be improved in the future with clever breeding and high yielding crops can be brought to harvest in 8 weeks, and requiring 12 hours or less of light, allowing you 6 crops per year, per growbox.
All of these variables can be improved so that it may be possible to create a plant that is high yielding, reaches maturity in 8 weeks, and requires only 8 hours of light or less. The advantages in reducing hours of light required are that more growboxes can be run from the same generator. For example a plant requiring only 8 hours of light and 16 hours of dark will mean that 3 off growboxes can be run in every 24 hour cycle from the same generator. If you had a 600W HPS in the growbox, and 8 plants per growbox, then you could potentially grow 24 plants per 600W of energy in a 24 hour cycle. A 1.8 Kw generator will therefore allow you to grow 72 plants from seed to maturity. Not bad for a little 5HP genny... ;)
Hemp will also be an extremely beneficial plant to grow as the seeds contain all 8 essential amino acids, in the perfect proportions, to sustain your body. The leaves and remaining biomass can be turned into many different types of food. The main stalk can be steamed and then stripped of its natural fibres providing you with the finest natural fibre available for making everything from rope to clothes. These fibres can also be impregnated within a resin providing a material similar to GRP fibreglass. The remaining stalk can then be dried and used as fuel to supplement your wood chips, alternatively you could use it to make hempcrete which is a rival to concrete, and can no doubt have it's properties improved in the future to provide a renewable building material.
All of this is in addition to the THC content which is a natural medicine and in my opinion essential for the body's ability to stay healthy and ward off diseases, maybe even cancer! It is no accident that the human body has many thousands of cannabinoid receptors which can only have been integrated into the human genome through mass consumption of cannabinoids through long periods of history.
When you consider that up until 100 years or so ago it was illegal NOT to grow this plant, and then see what benefits this plant has for you as a human, you start to understand why this plant was banned and the media constantly demonise it in the minds of the masses.
When you read the work that the growbox technology is a part of you will notice that they are based on HHO as the prime mover energy source, this was because I was attempting to design an OU device to provide the power source. The reason for this is that I understand that not everyone has access to masses of biomass for processing as fuel, like people in cities or people in deserts such as the millions starving to death in Somalia right now. I was attempting to create designs that may lead to >100% and therefore allow the oceans to be used as a fuel source for land irrigation as well as drinking water, effectively creating new coastal societies with the ocean providing all survival needs. The people interested in developing HHO will already be doing so in an attempt to prove my work or not, so no need to pursue this if it is not your calling.
However since Mr Goose came on the scene and freely gave of his vast knowledge I have been able to develop a feasible alternative using gasification as the prime mover of the system, so all of the work that subsequently depended on a reliable prime mover energy source is now viable. I have noticed that Mr Goose has been attacked on this forum and effectively been driven away, which I personally feel is a great loss, it is my opinion that we all owe him a debt of gratitude for his efforts.
I also understand that there are some drawbacks to this technology, primarily in the noise created by the ICE generators and in the periodic maintenance that they will require. I have been working to overcome these problems but have not as yet completed this project. However, below is a partial copy of an email I sent to an individual privately. I have cut and paste it as I am not writing it out again...
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So lets talk about something interesting and happy... here's a secret of mine... ;D
I often write about technology in what I refer to as a jigsaw, outlining the "ranges" of potential. Sometimes I pull the pieces together for people, but most of the time I do not, I want them to discover it for themselves
So let's you and me put some pieces together...
If we take gasification technology, which is known to produce combustible gases from the pyrocatalytic cracking process:
http://www.seabirdadventure.com/tesla-turbine/archives/understanding-pyrocatalytic-cracking-
and then we use my EGU design which is off the shelf and smaller (still to be proven... hmmm... with practically no budget I have almost finished an EGU prototype and everyone else with resources and workshops... there is no word for 6 weeks now )
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10708.120
we have a renewable and uncontrollable fuel source in the form of wood chips... EGU designs start on page 9
instead of detonating the gases in an engine like with an ICE generator (which is very noisy and therefore not an option for 99% of the population for getting off the grid)... we burn the gases in a "clean burn":
http://www.seabirdadventure.com/tesla-turbine/archives/closed-loop-steam
we then use the Kelly Kettle design principle of a double walled concentric reducing chimney as the heat transfer to create steam in boiler 1, and out of the top comes the hot gas (which is used for cooking in a pan, or boiling water) and create steam in boiler 2.
then we have 2 steam boilers that can either run a hot water system (heating or water purification, distillation) or we use the steam pressure in a closed loop to run a turbine (either Tesla's boundary layer turbine, or my RotoMax designs whose performance is currently unknown, to me)
we can then use one boiler to grow food (which only requires a 50% duty cycle, 12 hours at night OFF and 12 hours in day ON, and the time the growlights are off the energy is used for heating at night, or stored in storage heaters for release on cold days)... Growbox ;)
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=186038
The other boiler runs the turbine which provides the rotary moment for an alternator and runs 24/7 charging a battery bank(s) and provides electrical power, and when the battery bank is full the dump load goes back into the boiler via an electrical heater element (like Rose uses haha )
The end result of putting these pieces together in this way is that you have a system powered by a fuel that is renewable, non polluting and freely available, the system is near silent and so can be installed in a house and replace the grid with an option that only YOU control, it runs 24/7 and the only maintenance will be on the fuel generator EGU (keeping the chip hopper filled and the ash sump empty). All survival needs will be met by yourself and the technology controlled by yourself. When you look closely at my work you will see that all of these options are hidden there in plain sight, it just depends on you reading between the lines and then implementing them with your own take on it... Cool eh! Not bad for a guy who delivers pizzas for a living these days
The only issue I have yet to solve is filtration of the gases to remove small particulates as the wood chip filter on the original gasifier design is not good enough, but will work. I am thinking of using a centrifugal spinner to separate the gases from the particle matter but have not started work on that yet. It will work something like a dyson vacuum and I will maybe take advantage of potential temperature difference to power it, not sure yet gotta think about it.
So what do ya think ? You want a silent generator that runs without maintenance or special skills needed and provides everything you need without a centralised system spoon feeding you ? I know I do, which is why I have designed it
Any thoughts appreciated...
Rob
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So, I believe it will be possible to remove the potential drawbacks of regular maintenance, noise, and periodic filter changing by using the output from the gasifiers in a different way. This will be a steam generator based system as opposed to an ICE generator system.
I appreciate there is a lot of information for you all to get your minds around here but if you have questions and need help then ask, I will help you.
Hope this is helpful to you all...
RM :)
I think gasifiers are great!In college we had an experiment called the destructive distillation of wood.We created charcoal by not completely burning the wood but by heating it up to drive off combustable vapors such as alcohols and acetone and carbon monoxide.It always had a strong odor.I saw a tv show on alternate fuels.Someone had built a large gasifier for their van and they were using food as fuel.triffid
Hello Everyone,
Here is the link I was referring to in regard to mother boards and daughter boards for LED development for growing systems:
http://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/autos-led-cf-guide-led-home-build-hello-friends-t28041.html
This is a long thread and is quite old now but is essential reading for understanding this subject. I sometimes forget that I wrote the material guiding you to this information and in my mind I know where the link is, however, there is so much information to absorb it may not always be obvious what I am talking about so here is the direct link.
There are many skilled electronics people on this forum that would be able to implement improvements, such as Joule Thief circuits to maximise the potential of this technology, and so great progress can be made as the LED technology itself develops and becomes more affordable at greater lumen outputs and suitable nm frequencies. LED's are the technology of the future where growboxes are concerned as they have many advantages, however my focus has been on providing you effective solutions at minimum cost right here today, which is why I recommend HPS systems currently.
Digital Ballasts are now widely available as well for powering the grow lamps directly from the AC output of your generator.
Have fun :)
RM :)
Last night on fox news they said 45.8 million people applied for food stamps in May 2011 due to layoffs.
If the USA has 200 million people then 45.8m/200m=22.9%.So 22.9 unemployment??? triffid
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RM,I posted a link to a very simple wood gasifier early on in this thread.So here it is.The guy stutters a little but he knows what hes doing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgu9BdHeUYg&feature=related There is also a design for tar free gasifier.That video clip should be on your right hand side of your screen when the clip you are watching finishes.triffid
Make sure you have a good stream of gas going and a torch to light it. If the wood is damp, it makes it much harder. It took about 8 minutes before I had a a steady enough stream to hold a flame. Also try to make some type of burner so the gas can mix with air. I piped mine through a small tin can. The can had holes in the bottom. That helped the flame.
Here is a repost of a 10 kw powerplant using woodgas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db2lNvG9xlg&feature=related Like you said RM this one makes a lot of noise.You might want a different stealth mode one? triffid
Here is a post of a 20kw biomass power plant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrRHOF37Ufc&NR=1
If you want something totally quiet I suggest a compost pile with thermcouples stuck in it.Super insulated too to reach temps over 100 degrees F.triffid
Gasifiers for sale,including one for your truck but you have to go to their website to see it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onuoMlYPFbo&feature=related triffid
Hi triffid,
Thanks for the posts of some of the gasifier technology available on the net. As we can see this technology is extremely viable as a solution today and is very promising :)
I think it is important that we understand why gasifier technology is so important to the individual. The reason that we currently have an energy crisis is because the access to and processing of fossil fuels is a centralised industry. When people allowed all technology to be moved away from steam and over to oil they lost the ability to collect and process their own fuel.
What is currently happening is that there is a movement back toward controlling and processing your own raw resource. This is why gasifier technology is so promising, it allows the individual to control their own energy supply and subsequently provide their own survival needs.
The point of the EGU is that it is available in off the shelf component form and requires very little skill or knowledge to construct. Once prototypes have been constructed they will be improved with the features that you see in the units in the videos. This will keep the cost down and allow you to control your own hardware. Alternatively you can buy one of the retail units at a vastly inflated price.
Now that we have our own energy source we can use that fuel to process more fuel, this is the beauty of the ICE powered wood chipper, and the cost in driving a van to the location where the fuel is to be collected will be zero also as the gasifier can also run the ICE engine in the truck. We can also use that fuel to run engines which will allow us to create electricity to power off the shelf growing technology. We can also use that energy to pump and distil seawater and use that water to drink or alternatively to irrigate land, turning lifeless desert into lush paradise suitable for growing more fuel and food! ;D
Recently in the UK it was reported by the MSM that the police busted a group growing cannabis and confiscated the 6 heavy duty diesel plant generators they were using. They were probably consuming well over 100Kw of energy with those machines so you can imagine the size of the crop they were growing. They also would not have been bothered about the diesel cost considering the street value of the end product. This goes to show that using ICE generators to grow this particular crop on an industrial scale is not only practical but the method of choice for serious growers. This is particularly valuable information when you consider that there are many isolated communities all over the world that dream of having the capability to grow such large amounts of food off the grid, but are prohibited from this method by high fuel costs.
So, we can see that there is now a viable option to grow your own food on any scale you desire with very little work and absolutely no dependence on society for energy supply. This is why I believe people are going to be extremely interested in these systems. You can sit around and wait for the corporations to provide you with the solution if you want, but I would not hold your breath.
RM :)
Ok they are a little expensive.They are asking for at least $7000 for deposits for their hotwatt model.triffid
http://gekgasifier.com/gasification-store/ $1795 for a kit now thats more like it! triffid
Ok So $1795 is still pricey.By doing it yourself you might get away with $300 to $400.But welding needs to be in your bag of skills.The first site I posted with a gasifier for sale says 2.5 lbs of wood equals one kilowatt.I guess one could find plans for a gasifier at the mother earth news website.I think all of their back issues are online?They did run a truck on it.Also first site I posted says an unmodified diesel engine will run on 80% woodgas.To run on 100% woodgas it needs a spark ignition. triffid
I already did some calculations on the cost of gas I might buy in the future for my one car.I could spend $52,000 by the time I die just on gasoline alone for my car.triffid
A link to a mother earth aricle on gasifing your truck.
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green-Transportation/Use-Wood-Gas-Generator-To-Power-Your-Truck.aspx
triffid
Hey triffid,
Looks like your getting excited ;)
I think you need to take another look at the EGU designs and PMEG designs from page 9 onwards:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10708.135
I designed them this way because the system is threaded as standard, no welding required. It simply just screws together with sealant, and therefore anyone can build it :) The parts are also 316 stainless steel and so will last forever. I know that the units are smaller but it will be very simple to run multiple smaller units in a modular system, connect them to a filter and gas manifold. The sum of the smaller units will equal a larger unit as the gas is combined before injection into the engine. You can also go for a petrol generator without having to modify it ;)
RM :)
Q.How much wood per mile? A.Well I guess you are looking for the short answer.... So in simple terms you can expect about 2 pounds a mile from a light duty truck with an engine size of 2.0L, a full size truck with 4l engine is around 1 mile a pound. Of course that is the simple answer and is based on real world application. If you download the FOA 72 document you can find a formula then you can calculate the exact amount of gas produced in a lab setting.
It looks like the answer is turned around here.
2 lbs wood/mile for a 4l engine and 1lb wood /mile for a 2.0l engine?
Thanks RM for the link to your posts in another thread.I can't weld, never learned how.So something I can thread together would be of interest to me.I have lots of free wood on my property.I am interested in building one for a truck in the future as I see the price of gas at least doubling in the near future.thanks,triffid
Your welcome triffid,
I have not got around to updating the EGU designs yet, the Mk2 which is my favoured prototype size is not practical with a 1/2" fire tube as you would need wood chips similar in size to grains of rice to feed properly...
However, I have been playing with a variant of the Mk2 EGU and 2" PMEG. What this means is I have kept the 2" BSP fittings for the main body and will be using a 2" diameter piece of exhaust tube for the fire tube. The reason for this is that the inner bore of the 2" BSP pipe barrel nipple and the OD of the 2" exhaust tube are a lovely fit. You can now get MIJ exhausts to make a single step one piece reducing sleeve as the dimensions are close enough to each other, and order it on ebay.
It works pretty well but the project is on permanent hold as the funds to complete it are not going to happen without a miracle. If you need any advice on developing it let me know and I will see if I can help you :)
RM :)
Speaking of funds a long time ago I needed 200 mesh screen for an auto project I had.I priced it around $125 a sq in.So it looked like it was a no go.I found something at a garage sale that had this 200 mesh brass screen on it for about three dollars.I got my screen, brass was ok for my purpose.I placed my screen on my car and increased the gas mileage from 25 mpg to 30mpg.I do like garage sales.The 200 mesh screen chopped up the gasoline going into the engine a little bit better than without it.It was a 1979 plymouth horizen that I modified.
triffid
So take junk and make it work was the motto of a friend of mine.I would take a metal detector and sometimes find stuff buried in the ground.Copper fittings,rods,etc.triffid
I have run across something called a self feeding fire.You arrange the sticks in such a way that it feeds itself as the night wears on.So It can go for hours feeding itself while you stay in bed.I found it again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpjnlkfCKOE&feature=fvsr I'm hoping you can use the concept somehow in your gasifier designs. triffid
Hi triffid,
The self feeding fire will not work for gasification, the fire needs to be at the bottom for it to work like that.
One thing I was thinking about trying one day was making a small briquette press and making paper pellets to use in the gasifier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY4LUC78YW4
I like this guy, he just had a go at it! Thats the spirit ;D
The beauty of this method will be that I can ask the missus to sign up for as much freebie cr@p as possible (the opposite of what I normally tell her) and she will have lots of fun, and the large corporations can pay the postage costs to have my paper (wood) delivered to my door ;D
I think I will try to have at least 1 sack of mail to myself every day to keep the fuel stocks up, and I also help the postman keep his job by having lots of work to do. It will almost be like having my own postman 8)
RM :)
http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=C3E8939361903F2070B97B579F08F7F5
Mags
I enjoyed the video clip of the guy making his own bricks of wood shaving and saw dust.The size of the sticks in the self feeding fire video is the type of wood I have handy.I guess I could stack the wood in a similar fashion inside a metal pipe .Heat it up with an outside fire.Or if I have sunshine use solar heat.In the lab we used gas flames on test tubes with wooden splints in them.With a rubber stopper with a short glass pipe sticking out of them.But no one at the time explained this was used during world war two as a fuel source.I only found that out much much later.triffid
I found out today that in seven short years(2018) there will be 78 million people on SS whereas today its about 50 million.The youngest baby boomer today is 55.All these people paid into the system too and expect entitlements.So people like lee and me might have 7 years to figure something else out?triffid
So the inflation has already started.300%more new money has been printed since 2008.When China and other countries stop lending us money.Our government will print ever more money.When our credit card is stopped then the money will be debased even further by the more printing of it.triffid
Making fuel out of all that paper crap the postman gives you is a great way to go.I chop up paper (in a regular blender)mix it 50/50withelmers glue for projects.When it dries its shiny and hard.Not waterproof.triffid
Hi triffid,
To use the gasifier designs as they currently are you will definitely need to chip the wood as this creates the partial blockage that acts as the oxygen restriction filter.
What you are suggesting heating the wood inside a sealed tube with an outside fire has pros and cons. It will be very simple to control the air in the tube by a ball valve and a check valve (non return) at the bottom, so not a problem there, however you have separated the fire and gas production processes.
So, while the wood inside the tube is not going to burn down so fast, it will just be gasified, the wood outside the tube to create the heat is going to burn down much faster due to unlimited availability of oxygen. So this way will probably be less efficient overall than the gasifier process.
However, you will be able to generate combustible gases this way just like in your lab experiment all those years ago. So for static application, like in your backyard running an electricity generator it may be a viable option for you if you are not concerned about the quantity of wood you will consume.
Not having a chipper is a problem that I share with you. I was contemplating a manual chipper that works on the principle of a guillotine with a stick feed for just the size of wood you have available. I do not think it is going to be very practical though, and nowhere near as efficient as a rotary powered chipper. It is after all only a slightly more controlled version of chopping with a hatchet, which would take forever in the quantities you will require.
It is early days with this technology for me so hopefully progress will be made in the future :)
RM :)
Hey everyone,
Considering what is going on with the banks and the economy this week I thought I would share this with you, just came across it at RMN...
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=212280
Interesting way to put his message across :)
RM :)
Quote from: evolvingape on August 08, 2011, 11:27:34 AM
Hey everyone,
Considering what is going on with the banks and the economy this week I thought I would share this with you, just came across it at RMN...
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=212280
Interesting way to put his message across :)
RM :)
Thank you, evolvingape,
I was also getting ready to come back and make the obvious statement that world financial markets have been tanking and are about to crater next if this downhill 'snowball' doesn't hit something solid on it's way to the bottom of the "Money Moumtain."
People are becoming more and more concerned---and where I am in this slum full of malcontents---they have little to lose but their lives if they think they'll starve in the future. If the dollar/euro/franc/mark decline continues, it may happen. To more than just the slum dwellers.
Europe is the key: Italy, for example, owes various banks a trillion euros. Spain is almost as bad off. This is worse than the American stock market.
--Lee
Massive stock selloffs are in the news today.I may have found an ou device for me to put together. http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/tc.htm To generate electricity on a sizeable scale. http://www.nuenergy.org/experiments/modern_radiant_energy_circuit.htm
I watched a video today about don smith triffid
The light bulb in the basic telsa design is a load,it could be a battery,motor,etc.triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 08, 2011, 02:24:16 PM
Massive stock selloffs are in the news today.I may have found an ou device for me to put together. http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/tc.htm ...
...I watched a video today about don smith triffid
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat462418.pdf
and...
http://www.google.com/patents?id=66VeAAAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=patent:462418&hl=en&ei=yERATqScJ8zDsQK-77ws&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ
Both spark gaps in Fig.2 can be related to a set of capacitors, right? Otherwise the circuit resembles a hairpin circuit if the capacitor in the drawing is moved to the left of the first load members.
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... To generate electricity on a sizeable scale. http://www.nuenergy.org/experiments/modern_radiant_energy_circuit.htm ...
Yes, this is simple, but unless one lives in a city, it'll take a lot of wire. A lot of wire will still work, but it'll be something difficult to hide.
LOOK OUT:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/08/national/main20089375.shtml
This is something I've rather expected for some time. But where is it going to end, exactly? Be prepared for the worst and be pleasantly surprised if it isn't that bad.
--Lee
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Wall Street had its worst day since the 2008 financial crisis, as fearful investors reacted to the United States losing its coveted AAA credit rating.
All three major U.S. stock indexes sank between 5% and 7%, pushing the Dow below 11,000 for the first time since last November.
225539PrintU.S. stocks have fallen 15% during the past two weeks.
Though observers said S&P's downgrade shouldn't matter all that much, the market wasn't buying.
I can coil 200 feet of wire on plywood or strong piece of cardboard and tuck it away in the attic.It would be a way to hide a long piece of wire.
Then whatever amount of electricity it generates is what I would work with.
triffid
Gold hit $1700 an oz todayAndsilver hit $39.00 an oz.A good place to sell any u would have is http://www.midwestrefineries.com/ .triffid
IVR today closed at 16.95 a share so now its divdend yields 20.9% a year.
triffid
Hi everyone,
It is very difficult for any of us to know what is going on behind the scenes, but we do know something is going on, and that it is starting to manifest publicly.
I like this guy:
http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/120.cfm
and right down near the bottom of the page is this very interesting document which he introduces as...
By now EVERYONE should know that 911 was NOT caused by a handful of terrorists holding box cutters. Here's a "not so secret" 3 part analysis of what really happened on 911 which I think was released by the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI):
PART 1 http://www.scribd.com/doc/9442970/Collateral-Damage-US-Covert-Operations-and-the-Terrorist-Attacks-on-September-11-200128062008
PART 2 http://www.scribd.com/doc/9421535/Collateral-Damage-Part-2-The-Subprime-Crisis-and-the-Terrorist-Attacks-on-September-11-200126122008
PART 3 http://www.scribd.com/doc/17233336/September-11-Commission-Report-Revised-December-2008
I will keep my own opinions on this to myself, but once you have read it you may look upon current events very differently... enjoy the read :)
RM :)
lots of riots in london since last saturday.Budget cuts partly to blame.Senseless killing of a black man by police partly to blame too. http://news.yahoo.com/uk-pm-recalls-parliament-london-riot-crisis-122431993.html
triffid
Hi RM,About the 9/11 stuff I hope it is not true.I hope no americans were involved in the events that occurred that day.I knew the love of money is a powerful thing and am amazed at what people will do to get it.I am amazed that women will take off their clothes for it.I am amazed that governments will kill for it.I am amazed in general how far people will go to get it.When I was a kid I was told not to do many things or I would get in .trouble.My first concern was I would get in trouble with my parents,then school,then had to obey traffic laws once I started driving a car.I am amazed that I can get killed for oweing $20.00 to the wrong person or get killed in a robbery for just three dollars.I wish I had two million dollars.I don't but I have enough I guess for now.Staying alive beats not breathing.I keep thinking about a cheap way to make wood chips.Termites come to mind right now.They wood work for free.Triffid
I have seen a metal box with giant screws thats powered by an electric motor that could chew stuff up.Maybe it would work on tree limbs too?A gear box of some type?triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 08, 2011, 02:24:16 PM
Massive stock selloffs are in the news today.
Right. I'm reposting different information today. Asia and Europe are still reeling from selloffs. The euro zone suffers from the same problem this country can: People and gov'ts don't want the 20-30 yrs-old gravy train to end. They borrowed too much money and now they have to pay. They're balking at the notion. Entitlements in this country are the same way.
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I may have found an ou device for me to put together. http://www.nuenergy.org/projects/tc.htm
I have a copy of the patent now. 'D' can be replaced by neons or a string of them in series. 'B' can have capacitors (non-polarized) in series on both rails. 'G', as triffid said, is the load.
This average setup can work as a hairpin circuit.
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To generate electricity on a sizeable scale.http://www.nuenergy.org/experiments/modern_radiant_energy_circuit.htm
There are also threads on OU.com and OUR.com to that effect. My Bench Forum on OUR.com, however, doesn't have a thread devoted to this subject.
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I watched a video today about don smith triffid
I have a computer elsewhere; I can look at it. What was it about?
--Lee
@triffid
Concerning your posted Reply #1441:
There was a pilot plant next to a garbage dump to process garbage and other crap into methane on a commercial scale and then use the methane to run their truck fleet. Excess, if any, was sold to industry.
The whole plant probably weighed several thousand tons and cost millions to set up, though.
Oh, and you're correct in your observations on how people treat money. Or, how money treats them.
--Lee
Hi Lee the don post video was about free energy.And what he has done so far with his work.He claims to have picked up Teslas work and to have improved upon it.He moved out of the united states and got busy securing patents in other countries.The US patent office would fight him.Said the battles cost him millions.It may be an old video but here it is.It takes about an hour.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2820531/don_smith_free_energy/
happy viewing.triffid
I once knew somebody who bit the bullet and bought herself a wood chipper for her yard.It took 3 or 4 months of her paychecks to do it but she was determined.Short of trapping beavers out in the wild to do your woodchipping.I know of no other "cheap" way.triffid
The web site that was given for Don Smith does not seem to work But his work is mentioned in a thread here at OU.com.Do a search for his name.triffid
Wall Street Roars Back in Wild Trade After Fed Meeting- Reuters
Stocks rallied in a volatile session as investors struggled to decipher the Fed's signals on the economy after a dizzying two-week slide. Buying accelerated into the close and the S&P 500 posted its best day in more than two years, following a drop of nearly 17 percent over the past weeks.
Fed makes rate pledge, no-exit announcement- Daniel Gross
U.S. two-year note yield falls to record - Bloomberg
Gold extends gains as Fed pledges low rates - Reuters
BofA CEO Moynihan outlines turnaround strategy- CNBC
Apple briefly passes Exxon as largest U.S. company- Reuters
Fed cheat sheet: What investors need to know - Breakout
Surviving the crisis of confidence for stocks- Breakout
U.S. closer to 'junk bond' status than triple-A: Bove- CNBC
States have closed $527B budget gap since 2007- AP
So the government is in denial about the truth and makes a pledge to keep rates low.The stock market goes wild!And the ball is hit out of the park and its a homerun!!!When other countries stop loaning money to us
Interest rates will have to go up!!!So we see the roller coaster ride has already started!triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 09, 2011, 04:20:46 PM
The web site that was given for Don Smith does not seem to work But his work is mentioned in a thread here at OU.com.Do a search for his name.triffid
Here's something look at; better than nothing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ApR2IxBcY
FYI,
I'm working on something leading to a Tesla hairpin circuit. I need safer transformers that were designed for line voltage; not 2,000+ VAC
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 03, 2009, 01:05:30 AM
"Wait and see", as the saying goes.
It was September 2009... But, now, can you see?
Just, please, wait again for a short while and you will really see.
Very Best.
Quote from: NerzhDishual on August 09, 2011, 07:30:32 PM
It was September 2009... But, now, can you see?
Just, please, wait again for a short while and you will really see.
Very Best.
Yes, NerzhDishual
I do see now. People have free will, and for that reason, I can't make exact predictions. But, now, it's pretty obvious.
People are losing confidence with the "system" that was always on "shaky ground." England can get out of control if things continue as they have. Syria already is. This doesn't look good for the future, to put it mildly.
--Lee
Hi Lee,
I agree.
BTW : this England troubles (and also a lot of other events) were forecasted by "Clif High" from http://halfpasthuman.com/ (http://halfpasthuman.com/) and notably in his "Shape of Things to Come (2011/2012) - Issue Eleven".
Yes, people have free will, but, sorry for saying that but, IMHO, most people are brainwashed....
Very Best
This 911 discussion reminded me of a video I saw couple of years back. There was President Bush sitting in a chair in some place and it was said that in this video Mr. Bush heard about the 911 attacks for the first time. A man came next to him, leaned down a bit and whispered something to presidents ear. This whispering lasted maybe 2-3 seconds. There was no shock, amazement or anything shown in his face. It was a poker face. Next president leaned forward to get up from the chair, face looking a bit down as he stood up. I could see part of his eyes, he looked right, maybe I saw a grin. A quilty look, trying to get strength what he is going to say, a kid almost getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar, knowing that with proper words he can wiggle out of the situation. He started to speak, still a poker face. Explained how two aeroplanes hijacked by terrorists has hit world trade center, how many people had died and so on. Long speech with plenty of information about the attacks. When I heard this I immediately started thinking, how the hell he could get this information from that man within 3 seconds ? Only thing that man had time to say would be, "Mr. President, its done".
Another video I saw was from the attack to Pentagon. This was taken from a helicopter that was flying above Pentagon when the hit occurred. There was no aeroplane, it was a missile shot from nearby garage ! You have seen pictures from the Pentagon hit ? Ever wondered where the hell is the rest of the plane, big engines size of a truck should not disintegrate to nothing. And why the wings of the plane left no signs to the building ? There were markings from the wings in World trade center. There was only a hole in the wall of the Pentagon building. It was no aeroplane, it was a missile.
Hi everyone,
I was a student learning my trade as an aircraft technician on September 11 2001 and I remember the shock and awe of that day. I first learned of the attacks at morning break around 10.30am as the media were playing the impacts into the towers, over and over and over again. As a result they are now burned into my mind, I will never be able to forget them. Those responsible for the attacks, in the eyes of the media and government, were immediately known and this information was repeated over and over and over again. If I was cynical I would have to conclude that a pre-prepared script was synchronised between all information outlets for dissemination to a stunned public.
As an aircraft engineer I have the background to understand what most people do not. I know that aircraft would not have brought down the towers in the way we are told they did. I know what controlled demolition looks like and what a thermite cutting charge squib looks like. I know that a controlled implosion requires coordinated, simultaneous severing, of all structural load bearing members. I also know that it takes many days to prepare a buildings structure to create this scenario.
I also know what aircraft wreckage on the ground looks like, and it most certainly does not look like what we see at the Pentagon, so in all probability the Pentagon was a missile, targeting the Office of Naval Intelligence. I believe that the document I linked to was focusing on the motive for the attack, which was primarily financial. The information regarding the Pentagon aircraft primarily focuses on flight path which is enough to create serious doubt in a thinking persons mind about the legitimacy of the official story.
I also know that a building does not, and has never previously in history, imploded at free fall speed from a few small isolated fires. This is the scenario that we see with building 7. Controlled demolition is the only logical answer possible. This is such an obvious case of pre-preparedness that I must conclude that an element of the plan, the cover, for some reason did not materialise. Perhaps the airplane designated to strike building 7 never made it, and the decision was made to “pull†the building anyway, as to not do so would mean the discovery of cutting charges on the structural members of the building, by the rescue teams and fire fighters. This begs the obvious question of who could possibly have the access required to wire it for demolition, in a building that housed the FBI and quite a number of other alphabet soup agencies ?
So the official story is false in almost every way, and considering it's widespread availability and propogation by the media directly after the event, it must have been prepared before the event. Almost none of it is based in fact or physics, or even logic.
Then if you consider that an operation on this scale would require suitable decapitation of the military response, a method to achieve this must be implemented. This method exists and can be found in play during many terror events of recent history:
7/7 Mock Terror Drill: What Relationship to the Real Time Terror Attacks?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=821
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=118940
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKvkhe3rqtc
Some of you will realise that exactly the same mode of operation, terror drills with an uncanny resemblance to what actually happened, was in play on 911 and was the official reason why there was no military response and interception of hijacked airplanes after the first struck the tower. Once you do some digging you will find that Dick Cheney is documented to have assumed direct control of NORAD during this time and did not order an interception of remaining airliners. In fact, the way the military works, interception of airliners by fighter jets would have been an automatic standard operating procedure, therefore it is reasonable to conclude that an order must be given to NOT follow standard procedure and scramble the jets. Maybe they just got confused ?
How does all this relate to the economy ?
Well it is reasonable to consider that not all of the military is bad, therefore men of courage and integrity must exist in these structures, and will be fighting back. Is it reasonable to suspect that the stock market crash and lock down of September 2008 was a move of the chess pieces by the good guys ?
Is it also reasonable to suspect that the current market situation is hidden financial warfare and is approaching end game ?
How does all this effect you ? Well, when you consider that nearly all assets in your nation are now owned by private interests, and were bought from the government using a fiat currency whose value can, and is, regularly altered then it is only a matter of time before all hard assets end up in the hands of corporations, and ultimately the few individuals that control those corporations.
This has already occurred in London where everything from the police force to the very housing estates you live on are incorporated. Don't believe me ? Take a drive around London and see how many “Corporation of this†or “Corporation of that†signs you can see. These Corporations act as a business and are registered as a business, they receive grants to run the services the people need and this money comes from taxes. So you go to work, have the tax removed from your pay packet before you get it, this tax is then paid to a PRIVATE CORPORATION to look after you, and keep you working like a good little slave..
You, me, our family's and our children are simply cattle, managed by private individuals for their own profit and power. You do not have the right to complain about the situation, because in order to complain about it, you must first know about it.
So what does this all mean ? Well, it plays out a lot like a Hollywood movie, except it is so unbelievable, so vast in scale, that most will not be able to entertain the notion, and therefore, business as usual can continue.
I was wondering to myself what I would do if I was writing the script for this movie, and I came up with an ending that would be truly fitting for the big screen!
Keep the shell game going a bit longer, pump more liquidity into the market via quantitative easing to create a global hyper-inflation in the same way as we did with the Weimar Republic pre WW2. Time the economic collapse with the cover story, a period we have primed in their minds before hand, of massive solar flare activity. Dump the economy in a day, massive social unrest will occur and we will be forced to implement Martial Law. Then coordinate with the other governments around the planet to detonate nuclear weapons in the atmosphere causing a Global EMP event that wipes out our civilisations technology. Retire into our bunkers we have been building for the last 70 years under military bases, wait for the people who have now become raging animals to kill each other in an attempt to survive. Then we can come back to the surface, owning every resource that exists, and what opposition is left will be minimal, and confused anyway, because they think the Sun did this to them, and they think we are the saviours. Break out the cigar's and brandy gentlemen... Mission Accomplished!
Hmm... Too far fetched ?
Wakey, Wakey Children...
I will leave you with what George Carlin thought about the American Dream...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
RM :)
Regarding posted Replies #1453 & 31454:
I like your observations in general.
My Dad was actually an "aeronautical" engineer, as it was called then. My Mom was related to Sir Isaac Newton; so physics and engineering are in my DNA, so to speak.
The economy is headed for a 'smack-down' and other countries weaker than ours are just as likely to contribute to this free-for-all 'donnybrook', as it were.
(I tend to write and/or speak in literary cliches' when I'm getting upset---like now.)
Nevertheless, I have food stocked up ahead and I live in a strong building in San Francisco; with a locked front door, which is staffed 24/7.
People tend to put off the inevidable until the last second, but I hope the Members of this 'Web board are smarter than that.
--Lee
RM
Good observations ,I grew up in the construction biz in NYC ,Was In the towers 100's of times
doing testing for contractors ,I got called in 93 to the first bombing by the chief engineer for the port authority [they owned the towers].It so happened I was showing him a magnesium lance at Laguardia airports main runway at the time of the bombing and he thought I could use it in the
Tower sub basement ,they were afraid to "vibrate" anything ,It was freaking scary Sh%t
And since I would of been running the lance I'm glad they decided against it [fire hazard].
I was in building seven many times also [during construction] ,that place was built
Like a bomb shelter HUGE iron !!
Your scenario for that makes sense!
I spent a decade in high risk demolition in NYC after that time in my life and
I have to say until recently I bought it all hook line and sinker,the towers were built like a shopping mall [light weight concrete and barjoist ]I can't believe they stayed up as long as they did [during the "event"}
Well I see things differently Now...................
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the special forces helicopter incident recently was also
a set up.
Chet
Well the preceding discussion makes us dead as a nation if true(9/11).And puts before us a very dark future.At some point they will come for our social security benefits.So I will be doing realestate as a side until that comes to a grinding halt.Hopefully I will have couple of years to do something.Stock market dropped again today.Now that stock IVR has a dividend yield of 23%.
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Fear returned to Wall Street on Wednesday, sending the S&P 500 to another 4 percent decline, triggered by worries that Europe's debt crisis could engulf French banks and spill onto the U.S. financial sector.
RM ,I have more info on gasifier.Maybe its best for me to PM you.I want to leave the planet now.If what you say about 9/11 is true.triffid
The end as told by a world banker.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNJTiUhZxaY&feature=related
triffid
More bad news http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgMx2F41XD0&feature=related the us army prepares to invade the USA.
triffid
Hey everyone,
Pretty heavy shit huh! Believe me when I say I take no pleasure in sharing these observations with you. After considerable personal research, and drawing from the investigations, evidence, and conclusions of others, I am left with no alternative but to consider the scenario presented as a more accurate interpretation of events than the official story on everything. It is also saddening to me that there is far more to this story than in this brief overview I have provided, do some digging, and be brave. Bravery is the confrontation of fears.
I think I should tell you all how I came to some of these conclusions and beliefs. I once had a very close friend who worked as a banker in the big city back in the early 90's. One day he showed me a box with lots of paper in it, he called it his “insurance policyâ€. Each sheet was for a transaction, an off balance sheet transaction, for big $. I am talking really, really, really big money here. He had made the decision to “disappear†when his best friend and partner was murdered, and went completely off grid for a long time. He was working for a very large and powerful corporation who I will not name, and his murdered friend's name appears in some public reports on these matters, that I also will not name.
Suffice it to say, I believe he grabbed what he could, and fled in fear for his life. I cannot prove this to you, you will have to decide if you think I am lying to you, or not. I know what I saw, and I know what I read, and I know how many sheets of paper were in that big box. This is why I give far more weight to “off balance sheet†transactions scenarios than most would. I am only telling you this because the guy, and I, are no longer friends, that guy, my best friend, betrayed me, as in my experience most humans do when the going get's tough, and they see an opportunity.
This guy was smart, oh boy was he smart, some of the stuff we talked about over a beer was incredible. I miss those conversations. He said something to me one day, many years ago, that puzzled me at the time. He said he knew exactly what was going on, and that the next great war would be The People Vs The Governments. It took me a good many years to understand that statement, but now I do...
I am also 32, one of the lost generation, grew up on a council estate, forced to learn at the rate of the slowest. I was always in trouble for falling asleep in class, bored to tears most of the time. I taught myself, I had no other option. This is why I am a little off the beaten track when it comes to conventional views, and also why I enjoy the freedom of creativity and expression.
If some of you are upset after a glimpse of my truth, try and empathise with my position. How betrayed do you think I feel by society's elders ? I woke up in this body 32 years ago and slowly found out I have no fucking future! The very people that are supposed to protect the young and provide a better world for tomorrow, than they enjoy today, have sold me for their own personal gain! Well... they sold not just me, but you as well, for a good time... and also lost their Soul in the process.
Well I tell you all, without shame or self pity, my Soul is not for sale. The line in the sand has been drawn, and Evil shall not pass. This World will survive, it will survive and it will thrive. All it takes is for a Good Man to find his Reason, take the fight to the enemy, and be willing to pay the ultimate price for Victory. Nothing less will do.
Battle is joined my friends, the slumbering beast has awoken, and the moment has arrived for every man to decide what he believes in, what he is willing to fight and die for. It is a decision that many of our ancestors have made throughout known history and we are here, now, getting to decide for ourselves as a result of that history. I have made my decision, drawn my line in the sand, and I will not dishonour my ancestors or my children's future by laying down and dying quietly without a wimper. You must all make your decision and live with the consequences, or not. The choice as they say, is yours...
Your friend,
RM :)
I have hope for the future.I think we will get our free energy solutions.I think we will make it as a nation through this difficult time.I do not plan to back down or give up.triffid
We need to get the space elevator going.That would make life interesting.triffid
RM i don't believe a word. lost generation council flat aircraft tech engineer with no future.
you want to cut the bullshit. none of what your going on about has a shred of proof.
i have watched so many 911 vids and i just don't see anything to support an inside job.
crash plus fire puts stress on the structure, heat expands the bracing which lets the building sag.
when this goes far enough down she comes. nobody uses thermite to bring down buildings they use shaped charges.
they don't mine the whole building they do 2 floors, how do you mine the floor so that the plane dose not cut the wires and set the charges on fire?if if it was an inside job why would they care if the building comes down, 300 dead 3000 30000 the result is the same outrage.
so many ways to commit a fake act of war with so much better control of damage and the press so they use planes and missiles, sure
pull the other one.
fritznien
Maybe you should watch the video again, after plane has hit. What is that hot hot hot looking thingie coming out of the wall ? It is liquid steel from the building, a thermite reaction. I read that aluminum of the plane and gasoline together burn at 1200 degrees celcius. Steel structure that holds the building needs 2500 degrees before it melts. You cannot use charges if you want to be covert, thermite burns steel like hot knife through butter. Couple of months before attacks Halliburton Co. got a deal to do something in those buildings. It is said that they installed thermite packages at that time. Quess which company got the deal to clean up the mess afterwards ? Halliburton Co. Nice thing you can cover your own tracks.
Why did they use a missile on Pentagon and not aeroplain ? Because it is impossible to hit with such a large plane in that angle without hitting that hangar first where the missile was fired. And why this was taken on video ? So they can show it on the news when time is right to irritate people, to create people vs government. But why it was on the net ? Maybe someone screwed up or wanted to make peace with himself.
About this People vs Government, have you guys heard about those huge FEMA camps ? Barb wired camps, inside camp white buildings, no windows and many chimneys. I dont think they are reguired for heating as camps are in the desert in the middle of nowhere. Why there are 500 thousand family size coffins in those camps ? I have seen pics in the net. I dont think they are for war heroes. If you suddenly get lots of dead bodies you cannot burn them all at once, you need to store them for a while.
And quess who built those camps ? Ha-ha-halliburton co. It is somehow related to Bush family.
How to upset people enough to start this war ? It has already started in middle east, now it is spreading. You need to irritate people from many directions to reach critical mass. Accidentially kill a man, preferrably black and father of many children, do it in some EU country. It should create some reaction, modus operandi. Put some fire starters on the street and people join.
Then you start to collapse economy, this has required years of work and now it is time to collect the fruit. For middle east you dont need that as people there got more temperament, they also got oil so it is difficult to collapse economy there. For europeans you need to hit where it hurts the most, the wallet. First Greece, then Portugal, Spain, Italy, Ireland. Rest of EU countries will support them but there is too many and they will go down too. Money loses value.
But I have to look at the bright side. I have debts so soon I can repay it by selling few carrots on the street I have grown my self. Sarcasm, my good friend.
Why all this mayhem ? Maybe it is so that people look the other way and wont see the real threat that is coming. And what is that they dont want us to see ? Your quess is as good as mine, time will tell.
Mr fritznien,
It appears I have upset your delicate sensibilities. I am not obligated to provide you with proof on my personal opinion, especially when it relates to my childhood, and my circumstances. I share this information freely with you and I invite you to believe it or not. If you think I am bullshitting you, you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that.
Regarding your statement that you have watched so many 911 vids and see nothing to support an inside job, I have to question whether you had your eyes open and the sound on at the time ? As you have provided no links to the videos you claim to have watched, with supporting comments as to why these vids demonstrate absolute proof of no inside job, I have no option but to present a small part of my argument, demonstrating inexplicable events, that only make sense when an inside job is factored into the evaluation of the argument.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozTnINH6Yls&feature=player_embedded
Here in this video we have an eyewitness survivor explaining what he saw. Now I am no demolition expert, but what he is describing here sure sounds to me like a controlled cutting sequence of squibs. Please explain to me how this eyewitness account can be explained by a crash + fire + sag ? Unless of course you are going to claim that this video and event is faked in which case further investigation will be required to prove or disprove that statement. (psst... this is your out ;))
http://www.net4truthusa.com/wtcdemolition.htm
Here is an interesting theory regarding the cuts found on the bases of the main structural load bearing members of the tower. These were either created during the destruction of the towers, that fell into their own footprint, or as some are claiming they were cut by the cleanup crew after the event. Maybe Chet (ramset) has some comments about this having worked in this business for decades ?
http://terral-911.blogspot.com/2009/02/wtc-7-was-taken-down-using-controlled.html
Some more information for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_XyTeNA1g&feature=related
Here is just a very small snippet of information available in this segment of a longer program, that I have already talked about. I am sure you have already seen this vid though and so look forward to a thorough and detailed explanation from you explaining why none of this evidence points to an inside job.
http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/WTC_ch5.htm
Here is an interesting page on WTC7 above, and below an interesting comparison video of footage of controlled demolition and building 7. Also note that in the first video towards the end is the very interview where Larry Silverstein states they made the decision to “pull†the building, and then watched it collapse. I wish they had asked him how he managed to find a team to wire the building for demolition in such a short time, minutes, instead of days or weeks as is normal for professionals. What a labour saving method he is sitting on! worth a fortune to the demolition industry!! Maybe you can explain it to us ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akpnIFK-RM
I am also particularly interested in your statement:
“crash plus fire puts stress on the structure, heat expands the bracing which lets the building sag.â€
It appears here that you alone are privy to an entirely new area of building physics regarding sag... Please could you explain this fully and completely, as it relates to building 7, because as far as I know no plane “crashed†into this “bunker†and so your formula is reduced to fire = sag... which is difficult to get your head around when no other building in the history of civilisation has collapsed at free fall speed simultaneously due to a (short, small) fire and then “saggedâ€...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnnjIzamnJo
And regarding your comments about the plane cutting wires on charges... erm... if the charges are below where the plane strikes... what wires will there be to cut ? This was such a silly statement I think you might have made a mistake... or at the very least need to make a clarification of what you actually meant...
And regarding fake acts of war it appears that you have not read the “presumed†ONI document I linked too that lays out a very convincing case for the motives, and therefore targets, of the attack being documentation and case files, as well as employees of the targeted companies, in which case the method of “attack†was exceptionally efficient at achieving that goal. (Was there too many pages, too many words ? Not enough pictures ? Let me know and I will try and find you a ladybird version ;))
I cannot wait for your reply, and all the juicy vids and evidence and commentary you have for us, proving conclusively that there is no evidence whatsoever of insider involvement in these atrocities...
RM :)
Quote from: triffid on August 10, 2011, 08:03:04 PM
More bad news http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgMx2F41XD0&feature=related the us army prepares to invade the USA.
triffid
this video is from 2008...
Quote from: fritznien on August 11, 2011, 12:00:02 AM
i have watched so many 911 vids and i just don't see anything to support an inside job.
and i've seen nothing to support the 'official' story... what's your point?
Quote from: fritznien on August 11, 2011, 12:00:02 AM
if if it was an inside job why would they care if the building comes down, 300 dead 3000 30000 the result is the same outrage.
money (insurance)... duh. ::)
i too am eager to hear of your new physics of 'fire=sag' and the see the evidences you have to support your new brand of physics... yeah pull the other one fritzy... ::)
@evolving ape... come on man... facts have no business here... ;)
RM
You are one of the most Knowledgeable And "Selfless " Men I have had the privilege of Knowing!
I would proudly stand next to you in any time of trouble ,Come what May !!
You live the way you talk ,By example !!
You Give without "Strings"!!
You are most definitely "the Right stuff".
Chet
PS
How do you feel about Gravity, Magnetism,and things that Go "Round"??
?
PM
Thanks
Hey everyone,
People do tend to get a little bit upset when presented with troubling evidence that challenges an opinion they have formed that is based in fantasy. I think we have seen an example of this “lashing out†here. For me the point is that any single one of those “facts†blows the official story wide open and creates serious doubt about its believability.
In this case we have so many “facts†that are opposed to the official version of events that a thinking person will struggle not to question the official version, once they become aware of the alternative possibilities.
It is important to remember that nearly all of the information I provided links for was gathered, analysed and presented by concerned citizens, people like you and me, because they were trying to find the truth. The alternative source of information being the official storyline was created by a group of selected individuals with undisclosed conflicts of interest.
Wilby... I did not realise you had taken a job at the Ministry of Truth ;)
Hey Chet... Gravity, Magnetism and things that go “Round†= “Flying Saucers†?
I feel enthusiastic about it, I have always tried to get my hands on material that might help me understand the principles. I read William Lyne's work a few years back and found it extremely interesting, he provided some archived information on Tesla and his devices that I had not come across from any other source. Lyne was a large contributor that I built on to develop my EM Sphere Theory and the principles of 01 wave (potential difference relationship). I do not agree with everything that Lyne says though, but still think he is a great guy :)
I have noticed that some people have taken my position on these matters as gravity = current. I am not 100% saying that, and if I have said that or implied that it is an error from trying to communicate an idea that has not fully formed in my mind. But I am saying that the relationship between gravity and EMF is similar to the Lorentz force. This will be based upon an interaction between EMF and the Ether, which some believe in and some do not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force
A few days ago a document was provided in the LaViolette thread called “Secrets of Anti-Gravity Propulsionâ€. I have not had time to sit down quietly and read it yet, I have to be in the right mood for something like that, and tend to leave it until it calls me.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11287.0
One thing I will be watching very closely is Ismael Aviso's repelling coil technology, because the EM force is 10^39 times greater than the gravitational force there is potentially (excuse the pun) a huge potential difference to exploit there.
If a reaction between a HV coil and the Ether can be found then this force may be able to be exploited to create huge reaction with very little energy input. I get the feeling that it will be a tuning issue, find the right frequency and you can tune into the Ether.
The possibilities for this will be huge, not only will it serve as a propulsion system for a flying saucer, but also as an energy generator. It depends on creating the reaction via repulsion from the Ether though.
Remember the Housingless Rocket Turbine ? Well, the premise of that was to exploit the advantage of lever length as a controllable variable to increase torque. I have been toying with another idea though that I have not told anyone about yet... (Reply #93 on Page 7)
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10708.90
The same principle of a driven ring and a driver ring can be used but instead of pulsed detonation of miniature rocket motors we substitute pairs of Aviso's repelling coils. This means that the entire turbine can be solid state.
A battery in the centre, a coil on the driver ring, and a coil on the driven ring. All of it mounted on a central shaft that drives a PMA. The idea being to see if there is enough energy from the rotary moment to replace the initial battery primer energy, and recharge the battery. Potentially OU :)
The really exciting thing about it though... by using the HRT design and securing the coils to the turbine you have not only converted a linear coil reaction to rotary moment, but also have turned what was a constant... the linear repulsion force... into a variable... by changing the length of the lever it is mounted on :)
This is a very exciting idea to me, a potentially solid state turbine without the drawbacks or complexity of the standard HRT...
What do you think ?
RM :)
RM
Well I'll tell you what I think!!
I'm glad your here ,sharing your thoughts ,I wish we had a lab you could play in ,Because "Holy crap" you have some cool ideas!!
Aircraft being my first field of study ,a lot of what you say gets the little Grey cells firing RE: Propulsion!!
In the mean time I may beg you to have a look at some other things
in the near future?
Somethings we can play with on the kitchen table [cheaply]
Things that "Go round" using gravity, Magnets and ?.
Thanks
Chet
Hey Chet,
Sure I think it will be possible to get the same sort of effect with some electro magnets, timing switches, and neos. Just will not be as energy efficient, but the basic principle is the same. You will be able to play with lever length this way though and see the efficiency change :)
I have to go to work now my shift is starting but I will be back in 4 or 5 hours or so... I will have a think about it and let you know when I get home later..
RM :)
RM
Nothing electric, No switches!
Not even a Bell or a whistle!!
These devices are just wholesome and pure thru and thru!!
Oh They can drive you Mad ,or to Drink............
Cyah!
Chet
Just something interesting here.They are making underground caches out of oil drums and talking about how the families are doing in their little town. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO2biIvvRgM&NR=1&feature=fvwp
A possible foretatse of things to come? triffid
Underground bunkers only for the rich?Look at what one man did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLqGtc0eN60&feature=fvwp&NR=1 Observe how he stores things. triffid
This man built one too!His became a wine cellar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3EAJex1RVo&feature=related triffid
Barrel root cellars. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LQ6HgCwm2M&feature=related triffid
What happens when you have to use deadly force to protect your food? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOKrNwn-do8&feature=relmfu triffid
More along the same lines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFAWG6Kp7Iw&feature=relmfu triffid
Here are some interesting things Mark Cuban said about the stock market. Cuban went on to make another point, about how entire nations are now bought and sold within seconds and even nanoseconds:
"It’s hard to believe," he wrote, "but evaluating countries as an investment is now easier than evaluating companies."
Lo and behold, the current malaise on Wall Street is tied not to the earnings of public companies -- which are largely strong -- but to the debt load of national economies.
But Cuban came back again to the traders, who he called "hackers" because, he said, they look for weaknesses in the system to exploit for short-term gain.
"The Government needs to create incentives for this business," he wrote, "and extract compensation from the traders/hackers for the systemic failure level of risk they introduce."
He concluded again in bold text with a scary forecast that, although not completely unique to him, now looks more and more accurate:
"There will be another crash, because there are too many players looking for the trillion dollar score."
Hi everyone,
Well I had a chance to think about it this evening and there are basically 3 versions of the electro magnetic HRT.
The first version would be neodymium magnets mounted on the rotor, and static coils mounted on the stator. The beauty of this is that the neo's can trigger a reed switch and close the circuit as they rotate and trigger the EM pulse in the coil. This is not going to be OU, but will allow you to experiment with lever length.
The second version would be similar but using Aviso repelling coils instead of standard coils, whether neo's will work well with this, or not, remains to be seen. Maybe someone would like to ask him what he thinks ? This could quite possibly become OU due to the much higher impulse created by an Aviso coil.
The third version would be based on Electro-Gravitics and to understand this imagine some of Thomas Townsend Browns discs at the edge of the rotor, creating it's own electro gravitic potential. See Chapter 2: Beyond Rocket Propulsion
https://rapidshare.com/files/2514065671/Secrets_of_Antigravity_Propulsion.pdf
This would be the most powerful version and exploit the potential difference between EM and Gravity forces. I think this would be OU without any problems at all but the only thing is none of us know how to build one... yet ;)
If you were thinking of trying one of these versions out then you could possibly build a rotor from carbon fibre arrow shafts:
http://www.merlinarcherycentre.co.uk/acatalog/Easton_Arrow_Shafts.html
You can get aluminum, carbon and also hybrids with an aluminum core and carbon outer sheath. They are cheap and can be ordered cut to size, and are available in lengths up to 1m, giving you a potential disc diameter of 2m :)
Cast your own joints using fast cast epoxy resin, and some choppies for strength:
http://www.tomps.com/shop/polyurethane-fast-cast-resin-p-129.html?osCsid=jtvop3oan1n8umpufomps3t1n7
http://www.tomps.com/shop/chopped-loose-strands-choppies-p-44.html
And some neodymium magnets:
https://www.hkcm.de/hkcm.php?language=en&osCsid=565bc5ccb8eebbfc634d517414c7d960
The magnets can be pre-positioned before you cast the joins holding the shafts together and become integral to the structure :)
Then you just have to rig up some coils and reed switches on the stator to trigger the EM pulses as the rotor spins.
If you were to mount the rotor to a hub then you can cast an adaptor plate to join the rotor to the hub, and the hub will connect directly to a shaft via a taper bush:
http://www.technobotsonline.com/shafts-and-adaptors/taper-bushes-and-hubs/bf-bolt-on-hubs.html
http://www.technobotsonline.com/shafts-and-adaptors/taper-bushes-and-hubs.html
Then you just need a PMA, something like this designed to produce power at low speeds for wind turbines:
http://www.windbluepower.com/Permanent_Magnet_Alternator_Wind_Blue_High_Wind_p/dc-520.htm
Then you can decide to either connect your PMA direct drive or use a pulley and a belt.
That cheap and simple enough for you Chet ? ;)
RM :)
Hi RM you said The really exciting thing about it though... by using the HRT design and securing the coils to the turbine you have not only converted a linear coil reaction to rotary moment, but also have turned what was a constant... the linear repulsion force... into a variable... by changing the length of the lever it is mounted on .I'm not sure what you mean here but I have searched for years on how to turn a linear electric force into a rotary one.The closest I ever got was a device from the ozarks that converted rotary mechanical forces into four linear forces.It was used to grind grain in ancient times.Oxen were bound to the device(large scale version that is) and went round and round.The blocks of stone would go back and forth grinding the grain.The device was called a "hillbilly do nothing" and fit in the palm of my hand.If I could find a way to turn linear electric forces into a rotary action I might be on altering time flow for an object.I would be slowing down the time flow for an object in the field.In theory that is.One of my pet projects.triffid
Hi triffid,
You are absolutely correct, in an attempt to keep it as simple as possible I opted for the magnet on the rotor and the coil on the stator. But this is the opposite of what I meant in what you quoted. I have not been getting enough sleep lately and sometimes my brain fogs up and I make errors.
Imagine that the Aviso coil, which is a linear repulsion force, is encased in a cylinder and then fired repeatably. The piston will be repulsed and then must be returned via some mechanism for a repeat firing. This is the same as a standard ICE piston that moves back and forth linearly, in a single linear axial plane. This linear motion must then be turned into a rotary moment, if for example it was going to run a car. This function of turning linear movement into rotary moment is normally achieved via the crankshaft and eccentric cams, but it is not very efficient.
By moving the coil off the axial line (the pivot centre) and placing it on a lever end, and rotating the coil through 90 degrees you are able to fire the coil and this will produce a rotary moment about the pivot.
The torque moment produced at the pivot is greater the further that the coil is from the pivot (larger potential difference). So the same force that would act in a linear plane, would be increased by placing it at the end of a lever, and converted into rotary moment via rotation of the coil through 90 degrees. It will now react in a circle in the direction of the circumference of the shaft, and not linearly down through the centre line of the shaft.
So in summary, in order to gain the benefit from increased lever length creating a variable and proportionally larger torque moment at the pivot, and the conversion of a linear force into a rotary moment force, the coil must remain on the rotor.
Any questions just ask dude :)
RM :)
Ok I have thought of an easier way to explain it...
Place a pencil on the desk in front of you, the tip pointing toward the screen and the end pointing towards you. Now move the pencil back and forth between you and the monitor. This is a linear reciprocal force.
Now take a second pencil and place it the same way but a foot to the right, what you have done here is move the coil represented by the second pencil away from the pivot represented by the first pencil. This creates a linear distance between the two and therefore a potential difference. Now stand the second pencil on its end so that the tip points towards the ceiling. This is rotating the coil through 90 degrees. You can now move the second pencil in an arc around the first pencil while maintaining the same distance between the two. This is a conversion to rotary moment.
Every time you double the distance between the two pencils you double the torque moment created on the pivot, even though the linear force propelling the second pencil remains the same. This can be imagined as trying to undo a nut with a wrench. A nut that is on tight will not budge, so you grab a power bar and double the effective length of your wrench. Now you can apply the same force as you did before but it has been magnified by a longer lever and so a larger torque moment is placed on the nut, and the nut comes loose... even though you have applied exactly the same force in both instances.
That help ?
RM :)
So maybe with the coil on the rotor I could somehow separate out the electric componant?.I want a rotary electric field I believe.I want it to rotate at the speed of light .Because of this speed I wanted the Rodin coil did not seem to suit my purpose.Thats a rotating magnetic field ( rodin).But maybe I could separate out the electric vector?. Because of the speed of light requirement it could never be a mechanical system as the energy requirement would go to infinity and the mass of it would go to infinity.I would be creating a black hole here on earth.triffid
I want a rotating electric field that spins at the speed of light or close to it anyway.I can get a linear motion to go back and forth very fast.I don't know how close to the speed of light it could go.It might get close because it would be a electronic system,nothing mechanical.Ie no black holes.triffid
My aim there is to slow down the flow of time for an object thats placed in a box.So its what I had on the back burner since 1986.So a man could step inside and look outside as things appear to him to be speeded up
while time for him flows at a much slower rate.A man would age a lot slower too.triffid
Not time travel maybe but suspended animation.Instead of freezing, suspension.
Maybe a force field too.A real one.triffid
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on August 11, 2011, 05:15:00 AM
this video is from 2008...
and i've seen nothing to support the 'official' story... what's your point?
money (insurance)... duh. ::)
i too am eager to hear of your new physics of 'fire=sag' and the see the evidences you have to support your new brand of physics... yeah pull the other one fritzy... ::)
@evolving ape... come on man... facts have no business here... ;)
the official story id that 2 planes were hijacked and crashed into the buildings, did you not see the video of planes crashing into the buildings?
big holes smashed in the sides of the buildings and fireballs out the other side, nope nothing to support the official story.
yes i know its cutting edge for you but steel dose expand when heated. i see a quote of 1200C for the temperature of gasoline and aluminum.
it was jet fuel but lets say it was only 1000F from http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-expansion-pipes-d_283.html
a 30 foot brace made of alloy steel would expand 2.88 inches. that's a long way for a column to shift with 20 stories of building sitting on it.
the looads would increase on the braces the columns be able to support less weight as they go out of plumb. at some point the whole thing comes down. don't forget the load shift from the broken and damaged columns and that some of the bracing would have been damaged. the planes also took out the sprinkler system and when the first building fell it took out the water mains.
as for doing it for insurance I'm so sure the pentagon did it for the insurance money.
if the WTC had not fallen do you really think they would not have to do so much in repairs that it would be cheaper to take it down and start again?
fritznien
Fritz
I recall no fire sprinklers, I was in the buildings during construction
100's of times [I believe it was never Finished ,still had unrented empty floors] Testing the concrete or steel Bar Joists [no beams just Bar joists]
like you find in a shopping mall ,Spandrel close density column perimeter
with bar joists flying all the way back to the elevator core,No beams anywhere else.
IMO you wouldn't need "shape " charges to bring this building down if you punched holes into the perimeter with 250,000.00 lb airplanes traveling at 500mph!
Huge [1 acre ]Floors ,No columns anywhere ,wide open it felt very unnatural.
Seemed like an eggshell to me !
I am amazed to this day it didn't drop like a daisy....
You get that much weight and you drop it One inch,Game over
say hello to mr. Gravity...........
Anyhow Building 7 is what always got me, built like a brick Sh#t house
Humongous iron [rediculous] .that made no sense [still doesn't].
Chet
Quote from: fritznien on August 11, 2011, 10:44:57 PM
the official story id that 2 planes were hijacked and crashed into the buildings, did you not see the video of planes crashing into the buildings?
big holes smashed in the sides of the buildings and fireballs out the other side, nope nothing to support the official story.
yes i know its cutting edge for you but steel dose expand when heated. i see a quote of 1200C for the temperature of gasoline and aluminum.
it was jet fuel but lets say it was only 1000F from http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-expansion-pipes-d_283.html
a 30 foot brace made of alloy steel would expand 2.88 inches. that's a long way for a column to shift with 20 stories of building sitting on it.
the looads would increase on the braces the columns be able to support less weight as they go out of plumb. at some point the whole thing comes down. don't forget the load shift from the broken and damaged columns and that some of the bracing would have been damaged. the planes also took out the sprinkler system and when the first building fell it took out the water mains.
as for doing it for insurance I'm so sure the pentagon did it for the insurance money.
if the WTC had not fallen do you really think they would not have to do so much in repairs that it would be cheaper to take it down and start again?
fritznien
the official story is that we were attacked by foreign terrorists... we know this because they found atta's PAPER PASSPORT at ground zero... where planes and buildings disintegrated because of the 'jet fuel'... ::) don't twist it to suit your good ol boy world view... ::)
you forgot to explain your new fire=sag physics for building seven... no jet fuel or crash there and yet it came down. and why don't you refute evolving ape's post point by point? cherry picking again? imagine that... ::)
it wasn't just for the insurance money... ::) are you that naive? tu stultus es...
now, i'll be waiting for you point by point rebuttal of evolving ape's post. i'm just so excited to hear about your new physics and see some evidences of.
i'll wait.......
p.s. MANY other steel buildings around the world have burned, some for days, why didn't they come down (AT FREE FALL SPEEDS) pursuant to you expanding steel 'theory'?
p.s.s. your steel sag 'theory' is bull shit. those steel braces are DESIGNED to move. the whole top of the building sways MULTIPLE FEET from side to side in the wind... again, tu stultus es.
HMM
I see a few of the members here don't really understand how the towers were built,or what was stored in the basement of #7
This was not a Highrise steel Building [Very VERY Expensive],It was not a Highrise reinforced Concrete building [like you see EVERYWHERE today].
It was A huge detour from convention, A super light weight, super cheap Highrise,
With only passive fire protection [no sprinklers],Only dusty Monocote which blew right off the bar Joists ,leaving them bare during the Inferno. And will never be done this way again.
I always felt [after seeing the basement in 93] that the building had been mortaly wounded.
And had to come down ,sounds crazy but??
I spent 10 years in the Demmo Biz In NYC I would see this knid of thing on a much smaller scale on a regular basis.
Its got a politically incorrect term RE: J &%ish lightning.
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Well I'll Let you guys get back to your Pissing contest
This subject hits Way to close to home for me.
OH BTW I do believe it was a settup..................
Chet
PS
RM
You are an absolute OU monster!!
I'm so glad your on our side Bud!! If this was a contest You'd kick my A*&
More on the magneto gravity spinning thingy later [shortly]
Hi everyone,
Not a lot of time today so just a quickie...
http://infowars.net/articles/march2007/280307blueprints.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/blueprints.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/plans/
Blueprints for the Towers :)
I am not particularly concerned with the Towers anyway, because anyone who wants to believe that aircraft brought them down will ignore eyewitness accounts of squib detonations directly before the collapse, and other evidence.
Building 7 is what conclusively proves it was an inside job with pre-prepared demolitions already in place. This single point, along with the official investigation ignoring this building almost completely, is enough to prove that it was an inside job in my mind. Case Closed!
RM :)
Quote from: evolvingape on August 12, 2011, 08:39:47 AM
Building 7 is what conclusively proves it was an inside job with pre-prepared demolitions already in place. This single point, along with the official investigation ignoring this building almost completely, is enough to prove that it was an inside job in my mind. Case Closed!
RM :)
which is precisely why fritzy won't address the fact that building seven was pulled...
i knew it was a bullshit story the moment they started their spin.
Ron Paul highlights of the GOP debate in Ames,Iowa 8/12/2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/RonPaul2008dotcom?blend=4&ob=5
triffid
Ron Paul talks about the debt issue last month in july.Says inflation was at 9% back then.Says SS checks will be sent out but the money will soon buy nothing if we continue on our present course of action.He says the government has already defaulted by debasing the dollar. He has solutions,listen to them here. http://www.youtube.com/user/RonPaul2008dotcom?blend=4&ob=5#p/f/3/sEP8cQF-QC4 triffid
Hi everyone,
Some more information for you about the awakening that is in progress.
This video "9/11: Explosive Evidence â€" Experts Speak Out" is going to be shown in communities all over America in the week before September 11, which is in 3 weeks time.
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-07-29/finally-trailer-here-preview-new-ae911truth-documentary-911-explosive-evidence-experts-speak-out
Also, the guy that appears at 2:00 minutes into the trailer, Danny Jowenko, appears to have been killed in a car crash recently according to Mike Philbin:
http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2011/07/explosives-expert-danny-jwenko-wtc7-was.html
You can see his opinion in the short clip available at Free Planet.
RM :)
Think we are safe? Here is part of an article from RM's trailer blog on 9/11.
If Ivins was indeed responsible for the attacks, did he have any assistance? Did anyone else at the Army lab or elsewhere have any knowledge of his activities prior to, during, or shortly after the anthrax attacks? . . . It appears increasingly likely that the only significant bioterrorism attack in history may have originated from right within the biodefense program of our own country. The implications for our understanding of the bioterrorism threat and for our entire biodefense strategy and enterprise are potentially profound.
What about the anthrax attacks???Never mind the buildings coming down.
triffid
Why,who ,how were these attacks done?Is it not part of those in charge of the world plans to look for cheap ways to kill a lot of people?I have heard that they want the population reduced to 500 million.In spite of all the fear it generated very few people were killed by it the 9/11 anthrax attack.So let lets talk about a world with only 500 million people in it.After several years I think the wild animals would come back to eat those in charge of that world.They would grow in numbers.The big cats that sneak around and kill livestock now would be killing humans on a more regular basis.I saw about 19 different types of big cats in the USA at a zoo in AZ once.So theres more to worry about that just lions and tigers!I was scared to see them to think that they even exist!triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 11, 2011, 07:29:20 PM
...So a man could step inside and look outside as things appear to him to be speeded up while time for him flows at a much slower rate.A man would age a lot slower too.triffid
triffid,
Did you know this was a plot point in one of Robert Heinlein's books? A day-old chick was put into a test chamber of a time compression field machine and it was turned on. The chick was "no hungrier after a week than other chicks."
The time polarity was reversed and the chick was long dead and rotted in a second or less.
Heinlein said something about differential equations being involved in the development of this device. It's science fiction, though.
REEDIT:
Amazing! 101 pages for this thread. 166 poll respondants. Who ready for 200 pages?
--Lee
i'm betting on a thousand pages before the 'disaster' happens... ;)
Big lee ,I think I read the same science fiction story back in highschool then got an idea 20 years later how to do it.I also have some ideas on gravity I need to write down somewhere.I can explain gravity and the lack of it but not anti-gravity.I will be watching for the day that no country on earth will lend us money.Then I know our government will go into overdrive on the printing press.And hyperinflation will be on its way.But when I hear Ron Paul talk about what we need to do avoid whats coming I realize the solutions are not that hard,But the political will is not there to make the hard choices.I do know we had 9% inflation last month.I can still find bargains in the stores for now.I do believe gold and silver will continue to climb as the dollar is debased.You have one group of people who want entitlements and one group who wants military spending left alone.I want my entitlements left alone.I think you want yours left alone too.I earned mine by paying into the system for 39 years.triffid
I hope as prices continue to climb that people will think more long term about their needs.A gasifier is not for everyone but there would be no shortage of fuel to be had for it now.I would try to build one for the truck or tractor.I would use a wood burning stove for heat.I would use a bicycle for trips 7 miles or less if gasoline got too high for me.I would buy canned food and dehydrated foods.So if people help each other we could get through it.I know there will be always those who take at gun point or knife point.Hopefully most people will use reason and the law to make it through.You have to use common sense.triffid
A gasifier cannot be used indoors as carbon monoxide is made by it.Carbon monoxide will grab on to your red blood cells 1000 times more tightly than oxygen.So you will die if you use one in a closed in space.The only way to deal with it is to never get it.If you get some carbon monoxide you have to wait two weeks for your liver to destroy those red blood cells locked up with carbon monoxide and make new red blood cells.So the only good news here is if you don't die from it ,you will feel better from that point on.triffid
The massive debt crisis, combined with insane government spending and falling interest rates, will continue to drive the dollar lower and raise the price of everything you buy, from food to energy to clothing and beyondâ€"all as the government prints another $2 trillion in money it does not have (nor does it have the ability to repay it).
The S&P downgrade and continuing market sell-offs proves just that!
That should hardly surprise you.
After all, the onlyâ€"and I repeat, ONLYâ€"option the Fed has to solve this economic crisis is to go deeper into debt and print more money!
The chain reaction will inevitably push the dollar down further, not only increasing commodity, gold, energy and food prices
across the board but also making the U.S. dollar and the U.S. stock market less attractive to foreign investors.
This is why Standard & Poor’s downgraded the U.S. debt rating in the first place on the heels of the debt deal, as the congressional solution to our financial crisis was not enough to get the U.S. back on solid financial footing.
And while I can’t give you the exact date that you’ll pay $5 a gallon for gas or a gallon of milk or $10 for a box for cereal, I can tell you this:
You WILL pay more for food, energy, and clothing prices in 2012 as the dollar falls and import prices for EVERYTHING rise.
The result will cut into corporate profits and consumer budgets as higher energy prices eat up more of YOUR money.
And the chain reaction will divide Wall Street in half again.
Most investors don’t realize this, but the same falling dollar that means higher food, energy, and import prices and inflation also means higher profits from U.S. companies that sell goods and services around the world.
That’s because as the dollar becomes cheaper, advanced and expensive American technology becomes cheaper too.
This is why our top tech stocks continue to HOLD ON TO their incredible 93%, 56%, 272%, 38%, and 10% gains, and why the likes of BlackRock, Fidelity, Vanguard, and more than 100 other big-name institutional and mutual fund investors continue to pour new money into these stocks as the market sold off on August 8.
So my previous 2 posts are cut and paste from a very general newsletter trying to sell me on buying a subscription to a finanical news letter but I felt there was some good general info in there.You have the names of about three good mutual funds to invest in if you care to.I think vanguard is generally pretty good.triffid
Those are" the high tech funds" you want to invest in. triffid
I am just learning about the higgs field tonight. here is the link http://www.awitness.org/unified/pages/page2/higgs.html It mentions that the moon is drawing energy from the earths tidal action and gaining momention as a result. Thus the moon gets further away each and every year. triffid
It makes me wonder if any of jupiter's and saturns moons are getting further away from their home planet?Each and every revolution?triffid
Another squatter story????It's not every day a vagrant gets to shack up in a $2.9 million townhouse on Manhattan's Upper West Side. But one such domicile, owned by "Today" show co-host Ann Curry, has in fact been housing a homeless man.
The unidentified lodger apparently first stumbled into the brownstone on West 71st Street about a year ago, after contractors working on the home left the front door unlocked, according to the New York Post, which has the scoop on the surreptitious squatter.
I wonder if he stripped out her copper pipes and wires?Hes been there a year and got in thru an unlocked door.I wonder if I could go do that?Madonna is who I want to go see(of material girl).Thats my fantasy anyway.triffid
Curry and her husband, Brian Ross, (not that Brian Ross), had long been renovating the four-story row-house--which they purchased in 2003--but were forced to halt construction because of building violations and complaints from litigious neighbors, who were none-too-pleased to discover a hobo living there Sunday morning, the Post reports. They called the cops to escort him off the premises, marking the second such eviction to occur on the property. (Cops reportedly kicked out a different homeless man earlier this year.)
Curry, along with fellow NBC News anchor Brian Williams and--wait for it--"Sesame Street"'s Big Bird, just helped a children's television network kick off a new campaign about "kindness" on Monday. Could it be that Curry, who currently lives in a doorman building in Gramercy Park, had quietly been extending some kindness to the down-and-out New Yorker who has been dwelling in her unfinished abode for 12 months?
Doubtful.
"Ann Curry means crap to me!" the man told the Post, explaining: "The reason I lived there was because they chased me out of Central Park. ... I'm not a drug addict; I just don't have a place to sleep."
Next Spring not only high buildings wil be much offended as 80 y. ago, but also railways will have much delays.... Most of todays bread and butter consumers, wil probably not live to age of "Free Energy". Pity, but You all have supported this system, and although it is on colapse, You support it further without a view to change it yourself. Only in Germany some people from NPD, former East Germany mostly,(where alte germanische Seele was first through Rudolf Steiner was discovered) are searching for new way, and are criticized for.
The world is hell bound for another dark age. Dark ages are the result of population to natural rescourse ratio. Times get tight and everybody buys a bigger gun and society becomes fragmented. The only way for man to survive as a species at present population never mind the 700,000 per day added to the rock, is to no longer rely on the plunder of nature but the mimicking of nature. Unless we begin immediately to change over from fossil fuels to man made fuels all is lost. Hydrogen produced by a solar farm in Arizona could power a developing community in Africa. Consumer nations suddenly become producer nations. Windfarms are great when the wind is blowing like in the islands located in the tradewinds. But none of it is any good if we dont convert it into a fuel that can be stored shipped and used as needed. The problems all the green tech suffers from is it comes and goes. Plants figured this out a long time ago and produce fuels which we are running out of. I cant believe any executive at an energy company didnt see this shit happening and hasnt bought heavily into renewable energy scources and ways to synthesise and distribute hydrogen.
It amazes me to learn the following.With the materials we already have we could have a lunar space elevator.While we still have to wait for a material that strong enough for use on the earth's space elevator.
Because of the Moon's lower gravity and lack of atmosphere, a lunar elevator would have less stringent requirements for the tensile strength of the material making up its cable than an Earth-tethered cable. An Earth-based elevator would require high strength-to-weight materials that are theoretically possible, but not yet fabricated in practice (e.g., carbon nanotubes). Whereas, a lunar elevator could be constructed using high-strength commercially available materials such as Kevlar or Spectra.
Compared to Earth, there would be fewer geographic and political restrictions on the location of the surface connection. The connection point of a lunar elevator would not necessarily have to be directly under its center of gravity, and could even be near the poles, where evidence suggests there might be frozen water in deep craters that never see sunlight; if so, this might be collected and converted into rocket fuel.
Jerome Pearson has proposed a cable design using M5 fiber (See Materials, below) that would have a mass of 6,100 tonnes including a massive counterweight, that would be capable of lifting or depositing loads of 2,000 newtons (450 lbf, or at lunar surface gravity, masses of 1233 kg / 2700 lbm) at the base. The counterweight could potentially be lifted from the lunar surface.
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The idea of space elevators has been around since 1960 when Yuri Artsutanov wrote a Sunday supplement to Pravda on how to build such a structure and the utility of geosynchronous orbit. His article however, was not known in the West. Then in 1966, John Isaacs, a leader of a group of American Oceanographers at Scripps Institute, published an article in Science about the concept of using thin wires hanging from a geostationary satellite. In that concept, the wires were to be thin (thin wires/tethers are now understood to be more susceptible to micrometeoroid damage). Like Artsutanov, Isaacs’ article also wasn’t well known to the aerospace community. In 1975, Jerome Pearson independently came up with the concept and published it in Acta Astronautica. That made the aerospace community at large aware of the space elevator for the first time. His article inspired Sir Arthur Clarke to write the novel The Fountains of Paradise. Later, Pearson extended his theory to the moon and changed to using the Lagrangian points instead of having it in geostationary orbit.
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Whereas, a lunar elevator could be constructed using high-strength commercially available materials such as Kevlar or Spectra. So what the hell are we waiting for???Permission from MOM? Its time we do some growing up!!!I see the space elevator as a way to bring space travel to the common man.A way to boost our economies 500 to 1000 times what it is.While an earth based space elevator is still waitng for a material strong enough we could go ahead and build a lunar space elevator with what we have today here in aug.16th, 2011.
That would put to an end any dark age that might be coming. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_space_elevator triffid
In 2008 the book "Leaving the Planet by Space Elevator", by Dr. Brad Edwards and Philip Ragan, was published in Japanese and entered the Japanese best seller list.[28] This has led to a Japanese announcement of intent to build a Space Elevator at a projected price tag of a trillion yen (£5 billion/ $8 billion). In a report by Leo Lewis, Tokyo correspondent of The Times newspaper in England, plans by Shuichi Ono, chairman of the Japan Space Elevator Association, are unveiled. Lewis says: "Japan is increasingly confident that its sprawling academic and industrial base can solve those [construction] issues, and has even put the astonishingly low price tag of a trillion yen (£5 billion/ $8 billion) on building the elevator. Japan is renowned as a global leader in the precision engineering and high-quality material production without which the idea could never be possible."[27] So maybe japan will have the first space elevator on earth? triffid
If we can build now for the moon can we also build one for MARS? With the material we already have?
triffid
Building the Martian Lift
Building a Martian lift system, much like the primitive lift that I described earlier in section III could very well make for the rapid exploration of Mars. A single reel of tether with four other anchoring reels to anchor it might cost 10 billion dollars. The effects of such a system at early stages during Mars exploration would be very beneficial. Large pieces of equipment could be moved down to the planet very quickly and cheaply. Bulky life-support and mining equipment could be sent down and a huge city might develop around the base of this elevator. But these are only effects. Actually transporting these materials to Martian orbit, deploying them and bringing in the supplies to use the elevator would cost more than a few hundred billion dollars and, except for the corporation or country that owns the Terran space elevator, it might be all but out of reach.
However, despite all of these monetary problems, the Martian elevator would be fairly simple. The tether and reel system mentioned before would be extremely easy to construct. Just drop the anchors down onto the planet, have the robots place them accordingly and drop a habitat and you're ready to begin.
"Congratulations Gossamer Albatross, you've just become the bridge to the new world."
John Cashly, upon anchoring the Martian elevator, "Landfall, Pt. 1", Kevin Reimund
The Effect Two weeks after the first elevator is constructed on Mars, I imagine that
we could have a habitat for 100 people in a large pressurized dome, air mining, a temporary gas flow (for oxygen/water), exploration via heavy two story rovers and dirigibles. Virtually any type of heavy equipment from a large jet engine mining water and oxygen from the atmosphere to a fleet of nuclear reactors could be deposited on Mars and moved. First, I imagine that we would need to create a human presence. A small habitat for 5 people could be lowered down to the surface and these 5 people would supervise the deposit of all materials, then, a temporary shelter for 30 would be erected while automated robots were at work creating a dome habitat. Eventually, after two weeks, about the time it takes to drop off two loads, we could have a permanent human base ready to begin the exploration, colonization and eventual terraforming of Mars. http://www.redcolony.com/art.php?id=0308290 triffid
Why colonize Mars? Its worth a lot of money!!!! http://www.redcolony.com/features.php?name=whycolonizemars triffid
Mars is worth a lot of money. There are 144 trillion square meters of surface area, roughly the land area of the Earth, available for development. I'm not going to tell you how great all that land is for residential, commercial, and industrial use... go play Sim City.
There is an abundance of rare metals on Mars such as platinum, gold, silver, and others. Shipping from Mars to Earth, as mentioned above, is much easier than the other way around. Even more promising is the proximity of the asteroid belt to Mars. Dactyl, the moon orbiting the asteroid Ida shown in this picture, is 1.4 kilometers in diameter, yet it contains more iron that the human race has used in its entire existence. These asteroids could be mined near Mars and shipped from the planet for little cost. What we could see develop is a triangle trade route, much like the one in the 18th century between Britain, the West Indies, and America. The economic potential is colossal
The MOON is worth money too!There is real estate to develop also along with precious metals and minerals.We could get started today working on the lunar space elevator.No need to wait 20 years .In 20 years Japan or some other country will have the first working space elevator.If japan can do it for ten billion dollars why can't we?According to Ron Paul the USA spends 3.7 trillion dollars a year.And takes in taxes of 2.2 trillion a year.A trillion is a thousand billion.Take away ten billion from that and the USA still has 990 billion dollar to spend on foreign wars,entitlements,defense,and whatever else.So the USA spends 3700 billion a year anyway.Take ten billion out of that and leaves 3690 billion to spendon foreign wars,entitlements,defense ,and whatever else.So
Ron Paul says new taxes are not the answer congress would spend away any tax increases anyway.He also says that China and other nations are getting wary of buying our debt.
So everything in the american economy depends on what congress does.WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE?
Congress should be doing the will of the people.I don't think the people want 50% unemployment.Do you and yours want an armed society? We had it once before in the wild wild west.Should I go out and buy a gun now?To protect myself from my neighbor?I think that any of the elite should want to reconsider a world with only 500 million people when we could have space elevators all around the earth.I saw one plan for 50 of them all around the earth.I would rather live in a world with 50 space elevators working day and night to move men and materials than live in one with only 500 million people and wild animal populations increasing.Where 90% of the people exist only to serve the top ten percent.triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 17, 2011, 02:39:29 AM
So everything in the american economy depends on what congress does.
Yeah, for the most part in this country. Europe will continue to be weaker than us, though.
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WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE?
Congress should be doing the will of the people.
People are scared and Congress has a lot of schmucks.
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I don't think the people want 50% unemployment.Do you and yours want an armed society? We had it once before in the wild wild west.
Excellent point. History repeats itself because people
never learn.
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Should I go out and buy a gun now?To protect myself from my neighbor?
I know what exactly you mean. I live in a nightly dangerous slum with mush-for-brains residents. ...
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...Where 90% of the people exist only to serve the top ten percent.triffid
And I agree. The elite aren't any stronger than the serfs. Especially
less numerous. They can't escape their karma.
(I didn't have time on this computer to go into more detail. I was thinking more of my Bench forum on OUR.com...
... http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?board=127.0 )
--Lee
Hi Big M,I have another way you can make light for your overunity project.Instead of LEDS you can use a 30 dollar plasma lobe which is a small tesla coil anyway.Touch a long fluorescent tube type bulb to the outside of the globe and it will light up.Quite a bit of it will light up!Even if the bulb is burned out,as long as it still has gas in it.triffid
We need to watch congress and china to figure out whats going to happen next.China to see if they continue to buy our debt.Congress we need to watch anyway.I believe the entitlement checks will keep coming but the money will buy less and less.triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 17, 2011, 06:39:41 PM
Hi Big M,I have another way you can make light for your overunity project.Instead of LEDS you can use a 30 dollar plasma lobe which is a small tesla coil anyway.
Walgreen's Drug Store sells one. It's about 8" in diameter. It's $30-35
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Touch a long fluorescent tube type bulb to the outside of the globe and it will light up.Quite a bit of it will light up!Even if the bulb is burned out,as long as it still has gas in it.triffid
I was thinking of a coil of wire laying on the top. Take off power to two opposing diodes for pulsating DC.
Otherwise, the tube should also work.
--Lee
I think its really neat that a dead bulb works.Just a glass tube touching the globe will light it up if the plasma globe is turned on.My brother showed that trick.Even a curly q bulb with gas in it will lite up if you touch to a plasma globe thats turned on.The long tube type bulbs make a lot more light than the curly q bulb.triffid
Maybe it could be a breakthrough for your project? I hope so .triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 17, 2011, 06:59:40 PM
We need to watch congress and china to figure out whats going to happen next.
Congress
should be watched, but it might not do any good. They're playing games with their personal agenda(s).
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China to see if they continue to buy our debt.Congress we need to watch anyway.
They're beginning to balk, since I think they realize they might not be paid for our debts, regardless of how long we take. If they demand their money, it'll look bad for this country.
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I believe the entitlement checks will keep coming but the money will buy less and less.triffid
Yes, exactly!! At least 35 years of creeping inflation. People where are hardly hanging on by their fingernails.
--Lee
Trouble in paradise!!! More to come I think!!!Hundreds of foreign students on a State Department cultural exchange visa program walked off their factory jobs in protest on Wednesday.
The J-1 visa program brings foreign students to the country to work for two months and learn English, and was designed in part to fill seasonal tourism jobs at resorts and seaside towns. The 400 students employed at a Pennsylvania factory that makes Hershey's candies told The New York Times that even though they make $8.35 an hour, their rent and program fees are deducted from their paychecks, leaving them with less money than they spent to get the visas and travel to the country in the first place.
Some of the students were assigned night shifts, and said they were pressured to work faster and faster on the factory lines.
Hershey's said they didn't hire the students when the Times asked:
A spokesman for Hershey's, Kirk Saville, said the chocolate company did not directly operate the Palmyra packing plant, which is managed by a company called Exel. A spokeswoman for Exel said it had found the student workers through another staffing company.
Last December, the AP revealed that federal immigration officials were investigating two human-trafficking abuse cases related to J-1 visas. Strip clubs openly solicited J-1 visa holders in job listings, and some foreign students told the AP they were forced into sexual slavery when their passports were confiscated by a ring of criminals. About 150,000 J-1 visas were given out in 2008. Businesses save about 8 percent by using a foreign worker because of Social Security and other taxes they do not have to pay.
LONDON/BANGALORE (Reuters) - The United States and euro zone are "dangerously close to recession," Morgan Stanley said on Thursday, criticizing policymakers and predicting the European Central Bank will have to reverse its rates policy.
The Morgan Stanley research note, which cut global growth forecasts, was cited by stocks traders as adding to market nervousness over the U.S. and euro zone debt crises and the economic drag of austerity measures in debt-burdened countries.
Deutsche Bank added to the gloomy market tone by cutting its gross domestic product forecast for China, a major growth engine for the world economy.
Morgan Stanley cut its global GDP forecast to 3.9 percent growth from 4.2 percent for 2011, and to 3.8 percent from 4.5 percent for 2012.
It also predicted the European Central Bank's next interest rate move would be a cut, a sharp contrast to Reuters last ECB poll earlier this month when just one bank of around 50 surveyed -- Australia's Westpac -- forecast a cut next. The ECB has raised its benchmark rate twice this year.
Stock up on those canned goods.I buy mixed vegetables.I get corn,peas,carrots and green beans all in one can. Flour and cornmeal last about 18 months if you keep the bugs out of them.Of course if you are really hungry the bugs can be eaten too.Those canned goods will last about 30 years.Fish included.dried foods are good too,instant potatoes are good to have on hand,so too powered milk.Don't forget spices.I don't think we have another 30 years to hyperinflation.15 maybe.triffid
I had to park this somewhere.The higgs field for dummies:I am a dummy too so I can hold my head up proud.
http://en.wikinoticia.com/culture-science/Science/47314-the-higgs-boson-for-dummies
triffid
The idea comes from the physics of solids. Instead of a field spread throughout an area, a solid contains a lattice or crystalline structure of positively charged atoms. When an electron moves on that network, attracts the atoms, causing the electron effective mass to be 40 times larger than the mass of a free electron.
Again, there are analogies with solid state physics. A crystal structure can withstand waves accumulate without the need for an electron to move and attract the atoms. These waves can behave like particles. They are called phonons, and are bosons. Could there be a Higgs mechanism, and a Higgs field through our universe, without which there is a Higgs boson. The new generation of colliders capable of generating huge amounts of energy (the necessary) could solve the mystery.
http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/18/china-finds-100000-sq-miles-of-radiation-in-pacific-ocean-up-300-times-higher-than-normal/
http://theintelhub.com/2011/04/17/fda-claims-no-need-to-test-pacific-fish-for-japan-nuclear-radiation/
This one is from May. We are in Aug and supposedly all 3 reactors are in melt down and fuel rods exposed....
http://theintelhub.com/2011/05/26/hawaii-farmers-treating-milk-with-boron-after-finding-radiation-2400-times-above-safe-levels/
http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/18/radiation-betrayal-and-treason/
And just a few ideas for Christmas this year.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MEPA-Alpha-Beta-Gamma-Radiation-Detector-Geiger-Counter-/250875650617?pt=BI_Security_Fire_Protection&hash=item3a695aa239
http://www.ebay.com/itm/K8-Personal-Radiation-Detector-Alert-Nuclear-Safety-/150585958532?pt=BI_Security_Fire_Protection&hash=item230f9f6084
And for the pros....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PROFESSIONAL-RADIATION-DETECTOR-DOSIMETER-TERRA-MKS-05-/150646280803?pt=BI_Security_Fire_Protection&hash=item231337d263
Good luck to everyone.
Mags
Europe is melting! Just look at Greece. The country managed to get a $156 billion bailout in 2010, in part by promising to shrink its budget deficit.
But its deficit has instead surged by a third in just the first six months of this year alone. The culprit: Plunging tax revenue due to a deepening recession.
Then there's Portugal. The country got its own $111 bailout. But the harsh austerity measures it required are leaving the economy in terrible shape, too.
The country's own finance minister is projecting that GDP will shrink 2.3 percent in 2011 and 1.7 percent in 2012. Result: Tax revenue there will likely fall well short of expectations. triffid
When radiation levels go up.Cancer rates go up. triffid
Looks like a fake alien invasion could be on its way! http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/19/insane-report-for-nasa-claims-aliens-may-attack-earth-if-we-do-not-stop-global-warming/ triffid
As more and more evidence continues to mount that other planets are heating and that fraudulent science was used by Al Gore and his minions, the global elite will continue to release these outlandish scenarios in the hopes that the sheeple will fall in line with their control grid.
This report also coincides with the recent corporate media promotion of a fake alien invasion to the unite the world.
A new video from CNN has been released that openly admits this alien invasion would be FAKE! Are we being set up for a Project Blue Beam style false flag?
Quote from: triffid on August 19, 2011, 05:27:04 PM
When radiation levels go up.Cancer rates go up. triffid
not in every case, the normal background radiation in Nevada is 3 times that of new England but it has a lower cancer rate.
ok it because mormons don`t smoke or drink.still it shows that under 150millirem per year the effects of radiation are overshadowed
by other causes.
fritznien
In general cancer rates tend to go up..We have all heard the story of someones grandpa who lived to be an old age still smoking and drinking but they are the exception and not the rule.If you are a roach you may not get cancer no matter how high the radiation levels go.Stay away from a glueboard however.Or a roach hotel.Or posion bait or a fogger. Those will get you before radiation does(if you are a roach,no I'm not calling anyone here a roach).triffid
Ron Paul says our welfare/warfare state will come to an end sooner or later.Why not end it in a respectable manner?We cannot sustain our foreign wars why not end them now and bring the troops home?triffid
I found something that looks better than saving and washing your food cans to sell for 9 cents a lb.here in st.louis that is. http://www.scrap4treasure.com/ triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 20, 2011, 08:15:58 PM
I found something that looks better than saving and washing your food cans to sell for 9 cents a lb.here in st.louis that is. http://www.scrap4treasure.com/ triffid
It
looks better, but is a scam or not? The 'Web has a "million" of these kinds of come-ons.
Considering triffid's Reply #1538,
If it isn't one thing, it's another. The civil wars in North Africa and Syria or Yemen. Then there's Europe. Italy, I said in another post, owed various banks "a trillion euros." It's actually more like $6.5 trillion. Italy owes more money than any other country. Europeans, I think, are becoming afraid that Greece will do the same as Argentina---renege on all debts.
If they do that, it'll probably be dire for Europe and then for us to a lesser extent. In any event, Greece is "toast" as one financial industry analyst said in a TV interview.
--Lee
Earthquakes in the USA AND NOW ALIENS MAY COME TO WIPE US OUT? We dont need aliens to frighten us too?? I think we are doing a good enough job on our own.The thing about the last link is that people are willing to sell you their gold without knowing it of course.In the form of old electronics like computers and cellphones.Maybe old gameboys and other stuff too.I found and joined a gold refining forum for free last friday night.Mostly the amounts of gold are smaill like 4.5 grams per llb of goldplated pins.And one tenth gram of gold per processor chip.(the large ones).But with the price of gold continuing to skyrocket.One might want to collect whatever gold they can find.$1851 per oz last friday.
40 square inches of gold plate would bring about $22.00 at todays prices. http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-warn-aliens-may-come-destroy-us-160003672.html triffid
http://goldrefiningforum.com
you can join for free and learn more about recovering gold from whatever electronics scrap you buy at garage sales etc. triffid
Mybe people will pay you to take it off their hands?Like some are saying-you really shouldn't have to pay for electronic scrap. I have people paying me to get rid of theirs. I'll make 100 dollars for loading up 14 computers on Monday.
Patience is the key. Start letting friends know what you are doing. Craigs list is is an option as well---but you need to be able to jump when folks call. There is also another website that might be available in your area called freecycle.org
Most of this was a post from the forum.triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 23, 2011, 03:38:45 PM
The thing about the last link is that people are willing to sell you their gold without knowing it of course.
I don't have expensive hobbies any more unless they're potentially useful. OU research is one such hobby.
Look out for foreign countries' problems spilling over to this country. Other countries have more serious things to deal with if their economies are smaller than ours.
--Lee
here is someone looking for free laptops and gameboys in Mo.Just an example to show you don't have to buy everything.
http://www.classifiedads.com/free_stuff-ad4188535.htm triffid
With the electronic parts you can get out of old computers you can build ou devices like bedini motor,generators.Or get electricity from the sky.Old tv high voltage capacitors come to mind as being useful.So do scrap microwaves. with high voltage diodes and capacitors.I was shocked to find someone on the web was building bedini devices using parts from old computers.I kicked myself for not realizing that myself.They were getting 12 volts from the computer parts themselves but if you only used the parts from its power supply box then you could get 6 volts to charge batteries with.I found that website about 8 months ago and it may have have been a readers post in some forum.Not a website at all.But I should have figured that out myself.Right now I am working on getting my fathers house ready to sell then go back home to build a lab of sorts.I would work on the space elevator if I could.I think in 5 years time they will have a material strong enough to use in the earths gravity field.triffid
Ron Paul says this week in his weekly update that violence levels are rising in London and Norway.That private citizens should learn how to use and carry firearms for self defense.He mentioned that several people have already lost their lives in the violence thats erupted.I have a problem too the squatters that I chased out of my dads house are trying to come back inside.Someone tried to enter this house 3:50 in the morning last saturday morning.They opened the front screen door and I heard a mans voice speaking real low.I jumped up and shouted"What the hell!".I turned all the lights on and called the police.They were here in less than ten minutes.But my would be intruders were gone.So now some of my friends are worried saying I should have a gun.I guess I will have to look into it now.THANK YOU ST.LOUIS,MO. triffid
These days it seems we have an economic disaster (2008) reloaded , we can expekt a very bad 2012 year...
Oil and other standard energy forms crises are faked , like actual "democracy" so we must use more and more all free energy systems we can.
an article on gold in cell phones. http://www.pacebutler.com/blog/cell-phone-recycling-gold/ triffid
likewise more of the same. http://www.recyclingsecrets.com/recycle-cell-phones/ triffid
A gold price calculator.You plug in todays price for gold and you get the price of gold per gram at the top of the page. http://goldrefiningforum.com/goldpricelist.htm triffid
Quote from: smen on August 23, 2011, 04:57:53 PM
These days it seems we have an economic disaster (2008) reloaded , we can expekt a very bad 2012 year...
Oil and other standard energy forms crises are faked , like actual "democracy" so we must use more and more all free energy systems we can.
I agree. This isn't helping the situation any:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Moodys-downgrades-Japans-debt-apf-2592194249.html?x=0
--Lee
This poll suggests a change in power in washington DC in 2012??!!! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/poll-suggests-2012-change-power-washington-131541841.html
My guy Ron Paul only has 14% support.He has answers that would fix the economy and make the dollar healthy again. triffid
I bought a pellet gun for now.I will get a real one soon.I did not want to do it but there are people trying to take my dads huose away from me and they may bring a gun next time.I call 911 it takes the police ten minutes to come to me.I bought a" baby desert eagle bb gun kit" for $35.00 at walmart.triffid
triffid first call police when trouble starts, its shows you were not looking for trouble.
then sit tight as long as possible so they won't run be for the cops have a chance to get there.
third when push comes to shove i would have a winchester pump shot gun, has a big magazine and lots of stopping power.
BB shot will do lots of damage at close range and not go thru the neighbour's house.
do not wavier, if they think for a second you won't shoot you will be in big trouble, if they think your a hair from
blowing livers out thru spines they should be more inclined to run for their lives, let them.
don't over explain to the police,get a lawyer,.
at best your going to be up to your neck in trouble if you shoot somebody.
here its an automatic murder charge.
be safe.
fritznien
My lawyer told me I could use any level of force I need to protect myself If they break in..I will put more lights in the front yard where they were trying to come into the house.I really don't want to kill anybody.But if I get shot myself or seriously hurt I will not be of much use to anyone.It is of course only for my protection.I found 19 bullets that are .233 that they left behind in this houseThey did not belong to my dad or mom.?So they had brought a gun into this house to be ready for something.He was using needles for his drug habit.The police here only want sellers.The police told me these people were only users.
I asked the officier how do you know?He said he could tell by the way they live.So if he didn't break down the door and arrest them for using.What am I to do?Drug users are not the st.Louis police top priority
I think speeders are.Thanks for the concern.Triffid
Go to the pound and pick up a dog. A loud barking dog will scare away people. If you don't want the dog, download the sound and play it from your computer/cd player.
If they break in they are robbers.If they sneak in thru an unlocked door they are squatters again and may figure they can count on us not wanting to get through the process of kicking them out again.I think too the police will only escort them off the property and not take them to jail.I have yet to find out what the st.Louis police will do.I know they failed to arrest a man I know for violating a PO his wife(who filed for divorce) had against him.After the police were called they talked to him a while and told him to go home.So I am alone on this this.triffid
Im not too much on getting a dog but I can play a radio all night and turning more lights on as long as they cant see me through the curtains.If they can see me then I am a target.Or could be.I was told by a friend that they find people dead alone in houses all the time.triffid
Today I got some light bulbs to put in the front yard.I will get those installed and leave it on allnight.triffid
I put a new bulb in the porch light so it works now.I will leave that on all night.I have a radio hooked up with another indoor light to flip on with a switch.I bought timers too to hook up if I am not here.To switch lights and radio on and off all night If I have to.I will use the sounds of a t-rex if I have to.triffid
leave no window or door unlocked that way its break and enter.
rem .223 is what an M-16 uses, kind of strange for low level users and more so to leave them.
repeat customers can certainly be charged with trespassing and for sure insist on charges for B and E.
I'm in Canada very differant rules apply YMWV.
fritznien
Quote from: fritznien on August 25, 2011, 08:11:15 PM
...rem .223 is what an M-16 uses, kind of strange for low level users and more so to leave them. ...
@triffid
Were there any bullet holes in the walls or ceiling? M-16's and the civilian AR-15 use similar rounds. The AR-15 is widely available, but probably not to a drug user. Maybe a supplier?
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leave no window or door unlocked that way its break and enter. ...
repeat customers can certainly be charged with trespassing and for sure insist on charges for B and E.
Get a good lawyer if you need to.
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I'm in Canada very differant rules apply YMWV.
fritznien
He's right. I was stationed near the Canadian border during the Viet Nam war. Mounties didn't even need weapons at that time.
That's what I was told. I don't know for sure, since I didn't see a Mounty on my Air Force base.
--Lee
I have more confidence now.No attempts to enter last night.I have located a big dog whose bark I can record.Even borrow him if I need to for a while.I keep the pellet gun near my bed.I have a porch light on all night now and one in the basement on all night.I was sleeping in the house with no lights on except when I got up to go to the bathroom.No wonder they were hoping it was vacant.I will get a real gun soon,No waiting in Mo.That explains a lot to me.I have to wait 45 minutes for a background check.If it turns up clean I can walk out the same day out of the store with it.I just have to have a mo id.I have to be careful with the pellet gun.It looks like a real one.I looked at rifles at walmart.Most of them around $200.Very affordable.I have yet to go to a gun store and look at handguns.I just want a weapon at home right now.No concealed gun permit right now.I have found no bullet holes in the house Lee.
triffid
They sell that ammo in packs of 20 for over $200.So one bullet is missing?triffid
It was strange to me that they were left behind too.I found two bullets in a back bedroom and all 17 others scattered up and down the steps to the basement.Trash was everywhere.The stairs had about four bags of kitchen trash they just tossed down the stairs instead of taking it out of the house.I do not know the drug users or sellers in the neighborhood. triffid
I know my squatters are in the neighbourhood.They are watching this place.The next door neighbor told me today the lady called him two days ago wanting to visit with him.He told her no saying he was too busy.triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 26, 2011, 07:34:47 PM
It was strange to me that they were left behind too.I found two bullets in a back bedroom and all 17 others scattered up and down the steps to the basement.
Were they spent casings or live rounds? Unless you heard about cop & drug gang battles, they wouldn't need AR-15/M-16 ammo, right?
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Trash was everywhere.The stairs had about four bags of kitchen trash they just tossed down the stairs instead of taking it out of the house.I do not know the drug users or sellers in the neighborhood. triffid
The actions are typical for bums and gangsters. Be careful, though. You're outnumbered.
--Lee
last time i bought .223 it was as little as 8 dollars a box, its common and cheap, good for varmints on the farm.
yes that was a while back.
don't get yourself shot waving around a pellet gun.
i still like the shotgun and bird shot for residential, what kind of neighbourhood is it?
fritznien
If you look on You Tube and other web articles, you can modify some pellet guns and paint guns(different ammo also, like harder than paint balls, pepper balls? ;]) to do more than anyone would want to be hit with considering. Just thoughts on alternatives to deadly weapons.
I remember a 22ga pelet gun my step dad had. 10 pump, real wood stalk, This thing was as close to a 22 riffle I had ever seen. Wont shoot through schools. But will shoot through tool sheds. ;]
By the way, dont set any type of booby traps. The law wont be on your side if proven. ;]
Mags
lets not forget if the guy lives he can sue.
play big or stay home.
fritznien
You can rig a laser sight on the pistol. ;] And a scope does wonders for any gun. Shot a 44 magnum , 8 in barrel with a scope. Bad to the bone. I love to shoot but dont like what some people do with them.
Mags
The neighborhood is in decline.The bullets are live.No spent casings were found.I do know there were other persons unknown in the house and I did an internet search for ammo prices trying to learn more about the bullets.It did not sound like them paying $200 for ammo.$8.00 sounds more like them.I know in the past few years ammo prices has gone up.I am sleeping now with more lights on.When I see him or her again I will tell we are selling the house to a buyer.I will be contacting two possible buyers in about three weeks.I hope one of them will be interested enough to buy.Then I will go back to my own house.They are horribly addicted to smoking so I can see them spending $200 on packs of smokes.She can smoke 3 to 5 packs a day and he can do 3 packs a day and the baby gets all that second hand smoke.Yes I said maybe all that smoking is not good for the baby.All she ever said was that shes quitting.triffid
Speaking of booby traps I had a chance some time back to buy a roll of barbed wire.I wondered what could I do with that?triffid
tanglefoot is only for farm and industrial. bylaws against it for residential.
easy to get at a farm supply.
now barbed tape that takes the tattoes off them!
fritznien
Quote from: Magluvin on August 27, 2011, 01:35:56 AM
I remember a 22ga pelet gun my step dad had. 10 pump, real wood stalk, This thing was as close to a 22 riffle I had ever seen. Wont shoot through schools. But will shoot through tool sheds.
You're right, Magiuvin. I shot at a squirrel in a tree with a 12ga. shotgun loaded with magnum "squirrel shells" and
it had a recoil pad on the shoulder butt. My shoulder still hurt for a couple of hours after that.
Small buckshot shouldn't go through a whole house, but rock salt would ruin a rioter's/burglar's day. Or week.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on August 27, 2011, 06:49:57 AM
Speaking of booby traps I had a chance some time back to buy a roll of barbed wire.I wondered what could I do with that?triffid
Well, the neighbors might think you're expecting an invasion if you surround your house with it, say, atop a fence?
The 17 unspent, live rounds you found is strange. Was it a warning? Otherwise, leaving them in a rifle clip to fire at someone is the reasonable way to go about it.
Reedit:
1/4 or 1/5 of the country on the East Coast is getting clobbered by Hurricane Irene. The economy will also feel this in financial problems. Not everyone has flood insurance.
--Lee
I agree I like rocksalt better as ammo.Its cheaper.I think the added lights will help.I have a radio set up to play when I am gone.I try not to be gone at night for now.I don't know if the bullets were a warning but its clear to me they are not afraid of me yet.Or the st.Louis police.He was arrested at least once this year,maybe twice and I found a few letters from some low life lawyers wanting his business.Theft over $500 and creating a disturburce in public.I do not know where he is and I hope he stays away.
They thought they could take my dads house away from me and my family.They did for about 6 months.
They used lies,begging,stealing,conning people by
saying poor little me.Can you give me money?
triffid
I feel more secure with a pellet gun than without it.I can at least make a loud racket with it.In the darkness it might scare them.I think I will make it ok.Just a couple more months here and it should be sold.
triffid
@triffid
Concerning posted Reply #1583,
I have to put up with a helluva lot of people like you describe. This part of town I live in has thousands like the people you deal with.
Force is about the only thing they know of, and then you still have to watch your back.
NOTE:
About $20-30 billion of insured and uninsured damage in the Southeast.
--Lee
Well,I suppose with only the big banks and wall street companies being bailed out by congress and the little man left out.The criminal element is growing due to lack of hope,lack of jobs,and in my squatters case a delusional sense of entitlement to my dads house.They may not be the only ones with delusions of entitlement.After all we are a welfare state too.When you can have kids and get money for it.There will be those who will only have kids to get a check and food stamps.I have seen that all my life since I was 8 years old.
I have seen having a firearm just to protect myself a growing necessity.afterall the police cannot be here the second I need them and I cannot control a home invasion.I once had a mexican friend suggest I have a car wreck on purpose to get a new car.She was acting like I could have one and live to collect.Once I made the personal decision to get one my confidence returned and I started putting up more lights to burn all night.I am staying inside the house with curtains drawn.More lights outside the house.I am not looking for them(my squatters) They are coming back to this house to see if its vacant or not.
I once was a member of NRA and may rejoin .I liked working with rifles back then Once I get a handgun I will be working towards getting another gun, rifle most likely.
Taking action seems to be liberating to a point.Its better than sitting in the dark listening to every noise wondering what was that? Not losing control of this house again is my my main concern right now.If they sneak in thur an unlocked door they are not robbers.If they break in they are.True If I start shooting people I will have problems.You have choices all your life.I choose to stay out of jail if I can.I do not want them back in my fathers house.He worked 30 years to pay off this house.And then two come here and help my stepmother get up and out of bed for two months before she dies.They hatched a plan to stay in this house
They told me and the rest of my family they needed three months to find another place.Since they helped my stepmother for two months I felt warm and fuzzy towards them until I saw the stealing start.Which was the last two days I was here.I spent three weeks with them in the house and had to return to texas at the end of those three weeks.I knew we were going to have problems with them before I left But I had no clue the house was going to be damaged like this.It was totally out of my experience.My brother let them into the house .My dad and mom gave him and my other brother power of attorney.I did not want to step on my brothers power of attorney.It was a poor judgment call on his part to let them in the house.It was a poor judgement call on my part to leave the house in Oct.I did see the stealing start.I wondered what I would find when I got back to this house.Boy I got my answer June 22th.Seven months later.
My fathers electronic workshop of 40 years is dismantled.Anything metal was sold for scrap and turned into smokes and drugs for them.The major appliances are gone.The copper water pipes were taken and one half of the wiring was taken in the basement.All of the wiring in the garage was stripped.Before I left I went through his workshop and took home some things from it so not all was lost.I took to texas his soldering iron he spent hundreds of hours working with.I have the small hand tools he clipped parts out of old tvs and radios with.He was done fixing radios and tvs over 15 years ago. He never worked on computers.He didn't want to.He had about 30 metal shelves and about 6 or 8 metal cabinets.All of those were sold for scrap.So much damage.
Very little recourse.The police told us its a civil case not a criminal case.We can sue them in court.If we can find them to serve papers on them that is.triffid
We are getting more and more involved in military actions in libya and Syria.even though we are bankrupt.
triffid
I guess we could say we need to have military actions on the moon,Maybe we could get a moon program back?
triffid
looks like the extra lights are working?Still finding evidence that people are watching this house.Found foil paper used to wrap smokes with in front and back yard this morning.Sleeping better,will send off request for birth certicate so I can get mo.Id for new firearm.triffid
No matter what happens to the markets or the world economy, people need to eat.
We are already struggling to feed a growing population, and things are about to get much worse.
Our food supply is at a breaking point… record corn and sugar prices… cotton at a 150 year high… produce costs skyrocketing. And it's only going to get worse with more than 1 MILLION square miles of farmland facing extreme drought.Stock up on canned foods now! triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 29, 2011, 09:35:06 PM
... Stock up on canned foods now! triffid
Considering the rest of this post, consider it done by me. I'm rotating old cans of veggies and things like chili and spagetti and buying replacements.
I'm surprised Europe has lasted this long. The gimmicks they try with Greece will only work temporarily. Their people are losing confidence in their system. And Congress is seen by some as a cause for a double-dip recession due to policy inaction.
--Lee
I actually got some some good news today .50 percent of american farmers now have the internet and that it helps them be more productive.Then I called the local police station last night to ask for extra attention to this house when they make patrols through this neighborhood at night.They said they would give me the extra attention I asked for.I thanked them.triffid
More good news?SS is only 1/5 the usa budget. CBO projects that in fiscal year 2011, Social Security’s outlays will total $733 billion, one-fifth of the federal budget. The agency’s projections included a look at major financial and demographic trends affecting Social Security.
Not too bad I guess.Not even a trillion yet.We owe the federal reserve 1.7 trillion.triffid
According to Ron Paul the USA takes in 2.2 trillion a year in taxes but spends 3.7 trillion a year,So maybe SS is ok for a while afterall??triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 29, 2011, 06:05:28 PM
looks like the extra lights are working?Still finding evidence that people are watching this house.Found foil paper used to wrap smokes with in front and back yard this morning.Sleeping better,will send off request for birth certicate so I can get mo.Id for new firearm.triffid
I was only a flight line mechanic working on maintenance stands and aircraft tires. No Viet Nam or combat training. I'm in a high rise until Christmas Day this year. Then I'm
really homeless, not just with a temporary roof over my head.
I went through USAF basic training on the M-16 when it was the standard GI rifle firearm for the military in the early 70's. Too costly for me to own one now.
--Lee
I saw my squatters last night.About 10:50 pm last night I heard the neighbors dog barking.I looked out the window and saw them in the street with their baby in a baby carriage.I saw them for only a minute or two.Then they were gone.If they had stayed I probly would have called the police.They seemed to have come down far enough to see the outside light burning.I did not go to sleep for a couple of hours.Only then to dream they were stealing my familys gold(wealth).triffid
I was told that they take their baby with them so the police won't bother them.The old lewis and clark trick.
Take a woman and a baby with you and you are not a war party.that was 1803,Still works today.triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 31, 2011, 10:22:08 AM
I was told that they take their baby with them so the police won't bother them.The old lewis and clark trick.
Take a woman and a baby with you and you are not a war party.that was 1803,Still works today.triffid
My question in regard to that is:
Do they have friends? Are you outnumbered? It occurs to me: Did these squatters leave the M-16 shells in your house or was it some of their friends?
On Greece:A European analyst indicated in an interview on CNBC that the Greeks were trying maneuvers to try and get rid of, or get beyond their debt crisis, but eventually the dust will settle and the riots will return because they're not addressing the root cause of their problems. (This is true.)
--Lee
They did have other people in here.I found a total of five names.I know his brother was here a little while and the woman hes married to.So that makes seven total that I know of.Of those two seemed to have stayed in the garage a little(its detached) while.Like two weeks before I managed to evict them.If they did have an m-16 in here I'm sure it was sold to buy drugs and cigarettes.I cant explain why the ammo was tossed up and down the stairs.With the other trash.I have not found the gun.I will send off for a birth certicate sometime in the next two days so I can get my Mo Id.triffid
They are horribly addicted to smoking.I found a total of 6 cents in the house.That they had left behind.And a beer I know he does not drink.So some other person had to bring that in.I found names in the house and garage.Some people were here long enough to get mail.I threw away 4 and 1/2 trashcans full of trash out of the garage alone.After I told a woman to come get her stuff.I threw it away after I gave her two weeks to come get it.She got some of it out but left a bunch behind.She gave me her phone number hoping I will sue the guy.But I want a criminal case not a civil suit.I want him behind bars for what he did here.Soon it will get cold here and I know they will suffer even though her mother lives only six miles away from here and his step mother lives 90 miles away.So they have family.I guess they burn their bridges with everybody.They burned them with me.triffid
Soon I will sell this house(my dads) and return to my own.After my family and I split what we get I will put together a small lab in my basement for free energy and hope to build the eight coil Don Davis device.He explained enough of it in his video I posted to this thread.That I think I can do it.I would like to try anyway.
triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 31, 2011, 05:10:36 PM
They did have other people in here.I found a total of five names.I know his brother was here a little while and the woman hes married to.So that makes seven total that I know of.
My Dad rented his mountain cabin to some hippies and later regretted it. They left a mess in the place and a non-running Chevy in the driveway before they walked away for parts unknown.
Kinda like your squatters.
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I will send off for a birth certicate sometime in the next two days so I can get my Mo Id.triffid
I lost my ID recently and have to go to the Calif. DMV for a replacement so I can apply for services and apartments in S.F.
If these squatters have family and friends, can you handle a group all at once?
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on August 31, 2011, 05:27:42 PM
...I will put together a small lab in my basement for free energy and hope to build the eight coil Don Davis device.He explained enough of it in his video I posted to this thread.That I think I can do it.I would like to try anyway.
triffid
I do simple, (mostly) low voltage research in my apartment when I have money at the beginning of the month. My Bench forum is on OUR.com (OverunityResearch.com)
I'm buying more cans and things like noodles in Sept.
--Lee
When my mother died in 1994 she left behind a whole house full of stuff.Now my dads and stepmoms house was in the same condition.The squatters took out everything metal so they cleaned it out a lot.Without knowing it they helped us in that regard.Still they were not entitled to it.My dad had been finished with repairing tvs and radios since the late 1980s.Still he had puttered in his workshop a couple of hours each day up to the end in 2009.I will never forget him(my dad).triffid
I will take his wooden work table and bench and place them in my own basement.triffid
In the early 1990's I did a lot of electrochemistry experiments in my kitchen using DC adapters for games.
I even made bleach.And copper oxide solar cells.In the future I intend to do some gold salvage.triffid
Im also interested in sodium.The metal alone will rip water apart to make hydrogen and sodium hydroxide.It does it at such a rate it gets real hot and catches the hydrogen on fire.Other interesting things are being done with sodium and radio waves.I have seen some salt use in gold salvage.triffid
I'm also interested in the evaporation of water and what uses it could have.triffid
I realized I have a total of nine people that were here in the house.I don't know how many would join in a home invasion?friends that is,relatives maybe(1).If I have a real gun I might handle two?Its a sure bet bet it would be over by the time the police get here(at least ten minutes).I would focus on the one person who gave me the most trouble.triffid
yes it would be over one way or another.
but which?
man with riot shotgun/carbine unloads 6 loads of buckshot or 10 rounds of center fire rifle.
4 intruders go down in shower of gore rest run for lives.
police arrive to smashed door and tangle of bodies.
homeowner is questioned and released.
the world is a better place.
the wise man says "it was him or me so i made sure it was him because that's the way i wanted it"Admiral Robert A Heinlein
trif you just need the right attitude and maybe some good motion detectors.
fritznien
I see a new target to send our troops to!! http://economicsnewspaper.com/policy/german/largest-reserves-in-the-world-venezuela-has-the-most-oil-48792.html I guess I will reading soon that we are bombing you know who for their oil!!! triffid
Thanks fritz,the right attitude and the right gun!!!I will send off for that birth certicate monday. triffid
Lets see what does a good m-16 or ar-15 go for?I already have 19 rounds of that ammo. Oh yes here we go again with talk of raising the debt limit http://economicsnewspaper.com/policy/german/u-s-debt-limit-obama-fears-the-end-of-economics-25390.html triffid
Our foreign policy? Bomb Baby Bomb http://economicsnewspaper.com/economics/the-u-s-wants-to-bomb-fukushima-13230.html Spread that radiation some more! We need to get rid of some of these so called leaders! triffid
This is an article from April, but I think its a good thing that is gong on. Most people dont know what is going on with our food. Supposedly Europe has a ban on GMO foods, so they know. The farmers in Haiti know(read article below).
If you are interested in trying to stop Monsanto, give a shout out to others, and be in the know.
The book Seeds Of Destruction about Monsanto in the 70s and what a massive thing they had going on then, imagine, this company today. They were squashing anyone that would get in their way back then(read the book) , it would be awesome if this legal battle has any affect.
http://theintelhub.com/2011/04/03/lawsuit-seeks-to-invalidate-monsanto%E2%80%99s-gmo-patents/
Mags
Just a reminder.Whats at stake for every human on the planet.Carl Sagan said it best"On the earth we make our stand". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M&feature=autoplay&list=PL720F404A66AB6C14&lf=list_related&playnext=2 triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 01, 2011, 09:46:22 AM
I realized I have a total of nine people that were here in the house.I don't know how many would join in a home invasion?friends that is,relatives maybe(1).If I have a real gun I might handle two?Its a sure bet bet it would be over by the time the police get here(at least ten minutes).I would focus on the one person who gave me the most trouble.triffid
triffid,
That was my point. I had a relative who was an Air Force drill instructor for awhile. He let me in on some of the military mindset, so to speak.
A civilian AR-15 or M-16 will level the playing field some if you're good with it.
Inside the house. And shoot to kill. Ambush them if you like. Or run around like Rambo and pick them off one by one.
The salt-loaded shotgun will decimate their numbers with injuries, but if they live, their friends and relatives will also remember what you did. More may arrive at your door later. Do you think you can find gun-toting help?
--Lee
I have friends in oklahoma who might help if they were here.I might find someone here in st.Louis to help.I hope the extra light out front tells them that someone is here.They did not know I have a pellet gun.So that would be a surprise.Someone did offer to loan me their big dog a couple of days.I guess I have options.triffid.
For the past three days I have wanted to leave this link.There is gold in old cell phones. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qBiYZ1rUO4&feature=related triffid
Keep in mind this guy seems to have a business in e-scrap and he knows what hes doing.This is a utube video clip of various forms of e-scrap that contain gold. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hURm6wpRY48&NR=1
triffid
one gram of pure gold is worth about $58.00 at todays prices.$60.59 to be exact. triffid
you need to run some numbers. how many ounces of
gold silver etc in a ton of phones?
how are you going to process them, what will it cost to set up,what will it cost per ton to process?
safety, waste disposal and last but by no means least how many phones to the ton and how to get them?
my father and i collect scrap, nothing super organized. we pull nails into a pail they go, work on the truck, old parts on the pile.
bits and pieces that come our way. he took in 2 loads this year and got 100$. good money for cleaning up the place
but no way to get rich.
fritznien
There is no way of knowing how high the price of gold is going to be with the government printing all of this money.I posted an article that gave numbers on a ton of cell phones.Here is a section of that article that gave numbers.A metric ton is 2240 lbs. Now imagine a much smaller pile weighing just 1 metric ton of cell phones. One ton. Did you know that gold and other precious metals can be recycled from your your cell phone? Compared to the mountainous pile of 17 tons of gold ores, more gold can be recovered from this heap during cell phone recycling than what can be extracted from 17 tons of gold ores. A ton of cell phones can yield as much as 280 grams of gold, about 140 grams of platinum and palladium, and 140 kilograms of copper. There’s also plastic and glass that can be recycled from used cell phones. You have to decide if its worth your while.I would certainly not throw any away.And if I could not process them myself I would find someone who could. triffid
Todays price for gold was $1884.20 an ounce.Soon it could be $3000 an oz.To me it makes sense to have some on hand.scrap or otherwise.triffid
my phone is maybe half a pound. that's 4000 to the ton.280/4000=.07
lets be generous and call it .2 grams of good stuff in my phone.
that's around 10 bucks is it not?
to get that out you need to do what? grind it up like they do ore at the mill.
then wash the gold out with chemicals.
then separate the gold from the wash.
almost certainly this will require some nasty stuff, it will not be free, your profit will be?
as for keeping some of your wealth in gold that's a whole other question.
when you sell your dads house buy ten ounces of gold, put it in the safe your going to cement into the floor of
your house. then consider what you can do to put your money to work. right now an AR-15 with a 26 inch stainless barrel
and night vision and laser sites might be worth more than the gold.
the wise man says a thing is worth what you can get for it or what you will pay for it, market price is a fiction.
your utube guy sounds like he has something for sale that won't make you any money.
where i work we don't sell people on doing what we do, we sell them on paying us to do it for them.
like i say run the numbers all the numbers and see if it will pay you.
fritznien who has nothing for sale.
If ur phone had.2 grams of gold thats $12.04 times 4000 gives you $48,160 worth of gold at yesterdays price.The guy in the utube video sells that service of processing your escrap for you.I cannot tell you how many times I saw that scrap back in the 1980s and 1990s but the price of gold was only around $300 an oz.
Of course the internet was not there for me like it is now.Now the price of it is so high we can talk about grams of it being worth money.I know of a place that pay you 90% for your gold you send them.Of course you have to collect your escrap and maybe hire someone else to process it for you.Then sell whatever gold you get.I too have nothing to sell,Only want to show people that they can get wealth too.I remember once seeing a whole 55 gallon drum of gold plated pins at a friends house.At 4.5 grams of gold per lb of pins???
I don't know how much it weighed but some guy out there was buying it from him when gold was around $300 an oz.He had a truck and went around collecting other metal to sell.Still I don't know if it can be found so freely anymore?I would guess not.triffid
Fritz,thanks for the detailed info on the gun.Maybe I wont sound like a fool when I go into a gun shop and ask for it??? triffid
i just want you to go in with eyes open.
as for the gun i never had my hands on an AR-15 they have
extra restrictions up here but i know what i like, all dressed it won`t be cheap.
ammo is relatively cheap and easy to get, a night scope is good for coyotes.
laser site is good for short range in poor light.i`m a big guy so a couple extra pounds is OK
for a little extra range and accuracy.i like to place my shots.
if i have to pot one more varmint at dusk where i can not see the front site against the critter
and i am going to get a laser site for my 22.
i still think the shotgun would be better for home defence, stay away from the military style ones it looks
like you wanted trouble. find a rod and gun club and get some lessons and pointers, bound to be lots
of enthusiasts there.
stay safe
fritznien
Fritz,thanks for the upbeat message.I found this link in case people want to find their gold the old fashion way.There is still a lot of it out there. http://golddetecting.4umer.net/ a forum on gold prospecting.I learned how to pan in the 1980's and bought what was called a gold genie.Recovers 97% of micron gold if you know how to use it. triffid
http://gold-quote.net/index.php?lang=en tells you the price of gold daily.triffid
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I entertain all stories told to me about my squatters.A friend told me today that some police officer may have come to this house and those bullets were tossed in the trash to keep them from being seen by the officer.
I do know he was arrested at least once by police this year.Maybe twice.March 17th for sure.He had a big fight with his wife on the street.He twisted her arm behind her back.In view of witnesses.I'm off to bloomfield,Mo tomorrow for pastors Larry Rice Energy fair for the day.Wind power,solar,wood ,etc.triffid
I got ahold of my friend who did that gold scrapping in the 1980's.He said that 55 gallon drum weighed 650lbs.
The drum I saw with only gold connecting pins in it.I got on my calculator and figured out it was worth $158,500 at todays gold prices.Does not include processing fee to someone.triffid
So he is going to see what he can find in the next couple of days and give me a call.I will be very interested to know what he finds out.triffid
i knew a fellow at work 30 years ago, who used to buy electronic scrap.
thats when computers where getting smaller.lots of cards with gold plated connectors.
lots of work to seperate things out.
the trick is getting enough to make it worth while.
fritznien
Quote from: triffid on September 04, 2011, 09:21:40 PM
I got ahold of my friend who did that gold scrapping in the 1980's.He said that 55 gallon drum weighed 650lbs.
Five words:
Gold electronic wire wrap pins.
--Lee
Back in the late 1980s I had no idea of the amounts of gold in this stuff plus at $200 to $300 an oz,It was hardly worth the trouble.It did not seem to be a good idea at the time to put 50 barrels of it somewhere in the hopes of it going up in value.triffid
They say a wise man puts something aside for his grandchildren.
My brother and I managed to go to Pastor Larry Rices renewable energy fair in New Bloomfield,Mo.yesterday.And I saw a gasifier using wood blocks for fuel converting them into gases that were powering a one cylinder motor which was turning a generator that powered one light bulb.My brother thought it was a steam engine at first but as we got closer we saw no steam coming out of it.I then realized I was looking at the holy grail in renewable energy.They used a torch for about ten minutes to get gases started coming out of it.Then it was designed to be self sustaining after that.All fire was self contained after the use of the torch.We were told no need to reload wood for about an hour and 14 minutes.
Between runs.Boy that motor was loud!!!! Triffid
I got my request for my birth certicate sent off today.So I will soon get a mo.ID so I can get my gun.triffid
I see all the gold salvage stuff for sale on ebay and some of it isn't enough to meet your costs.You need to realize the gold bubble can burst too.At the rate our government is printing paper money that may not be soon.I think it may burst in ten years???triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 06, 2011, 05:53:17 PM
They say a wise man puts something aside for his grandchildren.
"A good livelihood is a cure for all ills.""A little bit of luck is better than a ton of gold.""Better a rich tenant than a poor landlord.""When you have a grandchild, you have two children." As copied from: http://kehillatisrael.net/docs/yiddish/yiddish_pr.htm
--Lee
I learned last night that my squatters probably were cooking up meth in the garage.It explains why I never smelled anything in the house the one time I did a walkthrough last january with a police officer in tow.I had a report back then that they were cooking it in the basement.It was a false lead now that I think about it.A so called babysitter called me and told me about it.I was here at the time so I came right over called 911 to do a walkthrough and found nothing.I felt like a fool.This is how they get away with stuff.They make you feel sorry for them so you give away your money,your time,your energy, And they give nothing back in return!I didnt know what to think and was stopped at that point with too many questions.Today I will take a much harder look at that garage.triffid
I learned too that police officers were in the house more than once and most likely I think the bullets were tossed in the trash to keep the police from finding them.Then the trash was tossed down the basement stairs to show contempt for me and my family.I feel more secure now with the added lights plus knowing I will soon have a real gun by my side at night.The garage is detached and on the back of the property.triffid
Lee,That link you supplied to yiddish sayings seem to have 10,000 years of acculuated wisdom in it.Thank you.I can always use more wisdom.triffid The best horse is just a carcass when it dies.
The best horse needs a whip, the wisest man advice, and the most chaste woman a man.
Times are going to get worse as states run out of money.States can't print money so they have to follow a budget! LANSING, Mich. (AP) â€" Gov. Rick Snyder on Tuesday signed into law a stricter, four-year lifetime limit on cash welfare benefits, prompting advocates for the poor to warn that tens of thousands of residents will find themselves without cash assistance on Oct. 1.
Michigan's first-year Republican chief executive said the state will offer exemptions to the limit for those with a disability who can't work, those who care for a disabled spouse or child and those who are 65 or older and don't qualify for Social Security benefits or receive very low benefits.
Some recipients who are the victims of domestic violence also may be temporarily exempted.
"We are returning cash assistance to its original intent as a transitional program to help families while they work toward self-sufficiency," Snyder said in a statement. He noted that the state still will help the poor by offering food stamps, health care coverage
through Medicaid, child care and emergency services.
Then-Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a Democrat, signed a bill that created a four-year limit starting in 2007. But that law exempted many welfare recipients, including those whose caseworkers said they were making progress toward finding employment.
The 2010 election of Snyder and the simultaneous Republican takeover of the Michigan House gave the GOP a free hand to set its own course on public assistance.
The change gives Michigan the Midwest's toughest welfare time limit, according to a survey by The Detroit News. It said there are five-year limits in Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Ohio and Wisconsin. Indiana has a two-year limit for adults â€" but none for children.
Gilda Jacobs of the Michigan League for Human Services said she expects about 41,000 people to lose their cash assistance payments on Oct. 1 when the state's new budget year begins. That includes 29,700 children, according to the Michigan Department of Human Services.
"We're very, very concerned," Jacobs said. "As the days go by, new people will be meeting the 48-month limit. ... More will be falling off that cliff."
The new law will reduce the number of children and adults receiving cash assistance by nearly a fifth, from more than 221,000 to around 180,000. Enforcing a four-year limit will save the state more than $60 million annually, according to a House Fiscal Agency analysis.
Jacobs said it's hard to see how 11,000 adults will find a job when Michigan's July unemployment rate was 10.9 percent, tied with South Carolina for third-highest in the nation.
"We still have to preserve a safety net for people who, through no fault of their own, can't find a job," she said, noting that most cash assistance goes to help poor residents pay their rent. "There's obviously a lot of anxiety out there. Folks aren't sure exactly what this means to them."
State officials say they're working with nonprofit organizations to direct welfare recipients to other services and provide a "soft landing" as they lose benefits. Recipients will be connected with other resources, given housing and job placement assistance for up to three months beyond October and mentored by trained job navigators.
"Michigan continues to face financial challenges, and the fiscal reality is that we cannot afford to provide lifetime cash assistance to recipients who are able to work," Health and Human Services director Maura Corrigan said in a statement. "Enforcing lifetime limits for cash assistance ensures that available funds are targeted toward those recipients who need a helping hand while they find employment."
Michigan ranked 38th in child poverty for 2009, defined as income below $21,756 for a family of two adults and two children. About 23 percent of Michigan's children lived in poverty in 2009, compared with 20 percent nationally. In 2000, only 14 percent of Michigan children lived in poverty. The average age of a child in a family receiving cash assistance is around 7 years old.
Snyder, a Republican, has said reducing the number of children living in poverty is a priority of his administration.
The Michigan Catholic Conference has objected to the four-year limit. The conference said the effect will be felt for years by society and by children who lose services.
So as people lose money they lose hope and more and more will turn to crime.I was told that its very unlikely my squatters cooked meth because the odor can be smelled a long ways away.So I'll quit talking about it for now. Some may go back to work? Some will realizing the free ride is over or nearing the end.I have seen the future here in St.Louis.It can't be very good.To see whats in St.Louis spread to other states and cities?triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 07, 2011, 12:12:48 PM
So as people lose money they lose hope and more and more will turn to crime.I was told that its very unlikely my squatters cooked meth because the odor can be smelled a long ways away.So I'll quit talking about it for now. ...
The cops are usually understaffed as it is. Cutbacks and all. You're pretty much on your own unless you can get your trusty friends to assist you.
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Some may go back to work? Some will realizing the free ride is over or nearing the end.I have seen the future here in St.Louis.It can't be very good.To see whats in St.Louis spread to other states and cities?triffid
I've been meaning to say something about that. Some economic analysts say that the European problem(s) are
worse than Lehman Bros. Confidence can fall to "zilch." Zip. Zero. Nada. This problem will involve more money than Lehman
and this impending "fear tsunami" can spread
all over Europe.
Greek riots will return.
All over Europe, especially the PIIGS countries.
--Lee
Yes the crime rate here in st.Louis is very bad.Murder capital of the USA Is what I've heard it called.It takes ten minutes for the cops to come to you on a 911 call.You need to know about firearms and know how to use them.Because that is the only defense you have during the first ten minutes of a home invasion.
My squatters popped open the screen door to the front door here and woke me up!Now I scared them off when I shouted "what the hell!!!".They were long gone ten minutes laterwhen the police came.triffid
I am waiting for my trusty friends Smith and Wesson to come to my aid,Lee.Triffid
No sign of my squatters since I put up the extra light bulb in the front porch light.There was no light there before.The woman has a bicycle.We now have plumbing back in the house.We nearly have the electrical repaired and updated.triffid
I guess my current troubles should not overshadow the fact I saw a gasifier in action last monday at the missouri renewable energy fair.The thing was very loud.I think my brother bought the plans to make one.I have not seen his manuel yet.triffid
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 07, 2011, 08:51:55 PM
Greek riots will return. All over Europe, especially the PIIGS countries.
--Lee
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/09/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm
So, then, this might be the beginning. Greece's problems may be unsolvable, and they're the their own problem. They don't want to bite the bullet and
do what
we should
also be doing.
The rest of Europe is getting tired of throwing "good money after bad." German bank(s) are rumored to be setting cash aside in case Greece defaults (very likely). Greece's economy is declining and:
Everyone. Knows. It. They have a very bleak future economically.
And they're scaring a lot of other people in Europe and America. There's no real good scenarios in the future, I believe.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on September 08, 2011, 10:19:44 AM
I am waiting for my trusty friends Smith and Wesson to come to my aid,Lee.Triffid
Good. That should put the "fear of God" into them. It's a handgun? You need training and a permit, right?
Others on this site have said you yourself need to kill them dead inside a door or window or else they'll sue you for civil injury if they fall outside your house and survive their injuries.
Help from personal friends would present a large force for someone to deal with.
--Lee
I will not need a permit for the home and if they break in they will not survive.I have a whole ten minutes to do what I need to do.They will be found inside my house.I used to raise and kill rabbits to eat.So if you break in on me and I am afraid for my life.I will use all means to survive.triffid
I forgot about my other friend,Samuel Colt! triffid
I am serious about having a firearm and learning how to use it.The police are so short handed and will not reach you in time for a home invasion.Its part of my new reality.There are people out there who will take what you have by force.And leave you dead and bleeding in the streets.I put up extra lights and a motion detector to keep these squatters away.If they still break in I still have a right to protect myself.It is what it is and I think its bad enough for me to own a gun at this point.triffid
I have no personal friends to help me here.It is beyond their experience and mine.But its coming my way anyway.triffid
please don't forget my good buddies winchester and Remington.
long arms will give you more thump and less chance of putting one in your foot.
in a built up area i think bird shot would be best since it will not carry near
the distance of even a pistol.at close range it will do serious damage.
probably less paper work as well.
fritzniem
Quote from: triffid on September 10, 2011, 04:45:42 PM
I have no personal friends to help me here.It is beyond their experience and mine.But its coming my way anyway.triffid
Yeah, too true, I believe. Greece is turning into
very well done toast in a matter of time. I expect that to cause tsunami ripples throughout the PIIGS countries and beyond.
It's quite an advantage to be a cunning hunter and they;re stupid, crazy thugs. All that's left is a
Night-of-the-Living-Dead-style mob of starving citizens and renegade cops. If they come, take as many of them to hell before they get you and save a round for your head---
Only. Only!! If. You. Need. To. I hope it doesn't come to that. Just buy as much ammo as you can afford. I frankly think it's a good idea.
--Lee
I hope it does not come to a showdown.I plan to surpise them only if they break in.I will not go out on the sidewalk looking for them.Dne of the people I have breakfast with on a regular basis here in st.Louis is an ex-bank robber.He told me he went to prision for 27 years for shooting two drug dealers who robbed him IN THE BACK.The attorny who who put him behind bars told him he could have killed them legally if HE HAD NOT SHOT THEM IN THE BACK.He did his time all 27 years of it and got out 15 years ago.He said he robbed banks back then cuz thats where the money is,40 to 80 thousand at a time(for him).And the banks were insured against robbers like him.He never stoled from the person in the street he said.I guess if I am forced to shoot somone it has to be in the front and not in their back?triffid
Since he spent half of his life in prision already.He went in when he was 18.I listen to what he has to say.And this was what he had to say about my squatters"They will wait for me and my family to clean and fix up this house,Then WHEN IT IS VACANT AGAIN break their way in and "BE HOME AGAIN"".He says if you want to know what a squatter or thief is thinking you gotta think like one.Well they were already trying to come in here on the morning of august 20th,2011 at 3:50am. Getting a little impatient I guess.They must have thought no one was here then but I surprised them and made them mad I was still here.I added the light out front which was not there before and had motion detectors with floodlights put up in the garage area(its a detached garage).
Plus I sent off for my birth certicate to get my mo Id with so I can get a gun.I did get the pellet gun first.
Once I decided to get a real gun I got the courage to get more lights here up and burning through the night
The best defense is putting more lights up and saving the gun for last.triffid
Since I came to st.Louis to live for a couple of years.I have seen much more hunger much more begging and heard about many more shootings and killings.I have not seen one of those yet.But they are happening around my house.And I come here to south st.louis and find homeless people milling around only a few streets over from my dads place.Basically only having to worry about two of them.I did chase out two of them from the garage one morning.I told them not to come back.I caught them sleeping in there and started talking to them.They were not my squatters but they knew them.They said their names.I told them I was going to put a better lock on the garage and I did.In texas I lived out in the country.triffid
Not too many squatters out in the country.Where I came from.My family wants to sell this house now.So I will call two phone numbers this next week.And try to sell to real estate investors.As is after plumbing and electrical was restored and updated.They will remodel if that is their plan.I hope to keep my two squatters away long enough for that to happen.triffid
More monkey business in congress going on.Now gold is being predicted to go above $2000 an oz.Why?
1. Lower rates fuel fears of higher inflation â€" so gold is bought as a hedge against inflation.
2. Lower returns on Treasuries drive investors into riskier assets in search of a higher return. This can boost equities and most commodities â€" including gold.
3. Lower returns on Treasuries reduce demand of U.S. dollars, causing the dollar to fall. Since gold is priced in dollars, as the buck goes down, gold usually goes up.
4. Finally, looser monetary policy implies that the economic situation is not as rosy as many would like to believe, so investors buy gold as a safe haven asset.
Result: Investors who have never even thought about owning gold before will rush into the metal. This could be the critical thrust we need to drive gold above $2,000 an ounce, then $2,300 â€" and potentially much higher!
Rumors are echoing in the corridors of power in Wall Street and Washington â€" whispers about Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke's secret plan for interest rates.
The Fed on Aug. 9 pledged to keep the benchmark rate near zero until at least mid-2013. Now, the rumor is that "Helicopter Ben" is seeking to force down longer-maturity bond yields â€" in a last-ditch attempt to boost the economy.
The Fed may decide at its Sept. 20-21 meeting to replace short-term Treasury securities in its portfolio with long-term bonds in a bid to lower rates on everything from mortgages to car loans, according to economists at Wells Fargo & Co., T. Rowe Price Associates Inc., Barclay's Capital Inc. and Goldman Sachs Group.
Wags say Bernanke drops money from helicopters â€" I use them to find hidden gold values!
And Bernanke himself told an economic conference in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, on August 26 that the Fed has "a range of tools that could be used to provide additional monetary stimulus."
Mind you, the 10-year note is only yielding about 2 percent now. But even on the rumor of this shift in Fed policy, Wall Street heavyweights are rumbling there could be unforeseen consequences from such a move.
So If my report on gold was correct our money becomes more and more debased.At some point the ballon must burst.The gold and silver I have will become worth more but the money I have will become worth less.
Still everyone I see wants more money.So its not out of fashion yet.I have been watching "tales of tomorrow" on hulu.com.Its a tv show from the early 50's.Once in a while they show a wad of cash like ones and twenties.I can only think "What would they say if they had known how much those are really worth?".
I know the 1970's dollar is worth ony 17 cents today.I have no idea what the 1952 dollar is worth in todays terms.triffid
Congress trying to create more jobs?How can Washington afford to do something really significant? The federal government is strapped for cash. Ditto for state and local municipalities. And the consumer.
But do you know who is in good fiscal shape? Many large businesses. It's really up to the companies that actually have cash on hand to finally start hiring more.
Or to paraphrase ursine fire safety expert Smokey: Only you can prevent a double-dip recession, Corporate America. Only you.Don't get me wrong. The president, Congress, the Federal Reserve and others in Washington aren't exactly powerless. They can and should try something to help get the economy back on track. triffid
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
I read all the way just say that millions will and are being made,
a joe in texas
Everyone out there has a way for you to make millions.Just pay $99.50 for their newsletter per three months subscription rate.I get about 40 of those offers a month.I tried in the 1970s to make money off of silver and gold and stamps.No dice!!I would get into a financial bind and had to sell everything at a loss.Because the prices of everything I bought fell soon after I bought it.I would have been better off by dumpster diving for gold scrap at 200-300 dollars an oz.And find a way to save fifty 55 gallon drums of it for 30 years.Hindsight is 20/20 and foresight is like looking through muddy water.What I see now is that I can still do some gold scrapping but not a lot of it.I am retired so the free time helps me a lot.I let a lot of free gold get by me.free for the asking and hauling and storage.I did make money in stocks later on.triffid
No sign of my squatters for two weeks but I will wait another week to see if they come around again before I cry victory?Due to increased lights and motion dectectors.Meanwhile back in washington DC SS was being threatened!
Fact #1. As recently as 2009, the Social Security Administration was predicting that the program would begin taking in less than it paid out in 2017.
Fact #2. Then, just one year later in 2010, the Social Security program took in less money than it paid out. (The first time since the 1980s.)
Fact #3. This annual shortfall was blamed on the poor economy â€" i.e. fewer employed people paying in and others choosing to retire early, thus increasing the amount of money being paid in benefits.
Fact #4. At the time, the Social Security Administration said it would only be a temporary slip and that a permanent state of deficits would actually begin in 2016. (Note revision from previous estimate.)
Fact #5. In 2011, the Congressional Budget Office came out and said that the Social Security program had already entered a permanent state of annual deficits. (Woops again.)
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Fact #6. Despite the idea that Social Security had already reached a permanent state of underfunding, politicians decided to "stimulate the economy" by LOWERING the amount of money each employed American pays into the system in 2011 â€" from 6.2 percent of the first $106,800 in earnings down to 4.2 percent.
Fact #7. This change was said to be a temporary measure for the year 2011 only.
Fact #8. Last week, President Obama said we should further stimulate the economy and create more jobs by having working Americans pay even less into Social Security in 2012 â€" i.e. 3.1 percent vs. this year's already-reduced 4.2 percent and the previous full rate of 6.2 percent.
Fact #9. President Obama went one step further by proposing that American employers should also see their part of Social Security contributions slashed in half for the first $5 million in their payrolls for 2012. Please note that this year's reduction did NOT cover employers at all. They have continued to put in 6.2 percent on as much as $106,800 for each of their employees.
Fact #10. It was reiterated that these would be temporary measures, and lawmakers would totally offset the costs with new cost cuts by 2014. Yes, the same lawmakers who took us to the brink of default just a few months ago because they couldn't agree on cost cuts before this new proposal was in play.
All told, these new cuts to Social Security payments will total about $240 billion (out of the $447 billion proposed in Obama's jobs plan). So that's another quarter of a trillion dollars in retirement money we'll have to make up some other time, I guess.
You know, if it weren't such a serious topic, this would make for some great slapstick comedy. Can't you just imagine Abbott and Costello doing a little routine?
Abbott: "Okay, how do we fix Social Security?"
Costello: "Get more money into the system."
Abbott: "Great. How do we do that?"
Costello: "Simple. Create more jobs."
Abbott: "Okay, so how do we do that?"
Costello: "Just stimulate the economy, stupid."
Abbott: "Got it. Just one more question then. What would stimulate the economy?"
Costello: "Putting less money into Social Security, obviously!"
Please bear in mind that you can start the above dialogue at any point â€" with jobs, the economy, or the Social Security system's state of disrepair. It really doesn't matter because the circular logic will just keep taking you round and round all the same.
Seriously, It's Amazing Just How Bad
This Entire Situation Has Become!
Hey, I'm as glad as anyone to pay less into Social Security for as long as possible. (Or to join the Amish in opting out of the program entirely!)
At the same time, I recognize that the beast that Washington has created is now the retirement lifeblood for tens of millions of Americans. They paid their fair share into the system and are counting on getting their fair share back out.
So I simply have to shake my head at how far off the rails things are getting.
It was bad enough that Washington begged, borrowed and stole from the surpluses that had built up after the last major overhaul ...
It was worse that we were approaching systemic shortfalls going into the second decade of the new millennium ...
And it's absolutely appalling that we are now bankrupting the program even further with new legislation in the name of jump-starting the economy.
Sincerely,
Nilus
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So what the hay?SS is a fifth of the federal budget and now Obama wants to cut revenues to SS?
Why not stop our foreign wars and get rid of the debt to the federal reserve?Why do we want to rule the world?Why do we send our young men and women off to war to die and get injured?I saw this in the 1960s.
Do your duty Serve your country I was told this when I was 18 yo.By well meaning people.I said I wanted to go to college so they left me alone and I went.To college on a deferment from the draft the first year then after that they went on a lottery system that I never got called on.In 1975 that war ended.No more draft at that point.triffid
Want to put your money in Canada? http://cdndrips.blogspot.com/ triffid
I wonder how all of this will affect the Amish.
It will affect the Amish neighbors.triffid
Quote from: Judges on September 11, 2011, 06:25:23 PM
Re: I see an economic diasater coming...
I read all the way just say that millions will and are being made,
a joe in texas
Well, okay then, by whom?
75% of all "underwater" home mortgages also have very high interests rates---which are rising every 6 months or so.
And unemployment benefits are beginning to run out for millions of people in the next 6 months to 1 1/2 yrs. No money means drastic living conditions for the people affected. People whom don't have money to spend in the Upper Midwest (MI, WI, OH) won't contribute to the economy---and drain resources from it. I live in a slum in San Francisco, and I see this in bums daily. Lots of them and more coming.
I used to live in Houston, so I'm familiar with the city people there. Country people in Sweetwater as well.
--Lee
A local tv station here in st.Louis carried this story about a soldier being shot after attending a local baseball game last saturday.Many ,many guns here in St.Louis. http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Soldier-shot-after-attending-Cardinals-game-129839933.html
triffid
So I will be seeing a lot more hunger in the future?I got a couple of books on composting from the missouri renewable energy fair that I went to last week.If more people can join efforts where they live to grow more food.They might be able to grow enough food to keep from starving.I have been reading both books.I guess a lot more people could go back to the land?One way or another?You can compost in your apartment and grow a few plants there.You can raise tomatoes in plastic milk cartons.One plant per carton.You can use worms to compost even in your kitchen.You just need to learn how.triffid
I think farming is part of the answer to avoiding starvation.Wherever you live there are groups of people gardening.Community projects would be a good place to start.Try to locate one where you live and get involved.A little bit of knowledge and lots of action.Get your hands dirty with dirt and humus.Learn to grow more food!triffid
One of the people I eat breakfast with on a pretty regular basis at Mc Donalds(we have a very small group) expressed hope that in three years he will be retired and be able to not have to go to work like me.He had to leave for work and I didn't.triffid
I hope to stay retired for many years.Of course I bought into the SS deal a long time ago.Like everyone else who expects to retire soon.I do worry that someday it might all end.I hope it does not!If I had to go back to the work force being disabled with a bad ankle and being over 50.I would be dependent on family for help.I don't think I would ever find a job again.triffid
Own your car own your place where you live and you take a lot of pressure off of yourself.Not everyone can do that.But if you can,do it!I have to buy gas for my car.I have to keep tags and inspection and insurance on my car.For my house I have to pay taxes,utilities,and insurance.There is a certain amount of buying that I must do.There are the" basics" and then the" I wants".Sometimes they are the same thing.I hope eveyone can make it through the next few years. triffid
2 books on compost?
compost is too much trouble, we just haul the organics to the garden and heave.
every scrap of kitchen waste.
fritznien
Quote from: triffid on September 14, 2011, 07:58:53 PM
A local tv station here in st.Louis carried this story about a soldier being shot after attending a local baseball game last saturday.Many ,many guns here in St.Louis. http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Soldier-shot-after-attending-Cardinals-game-129839933.html
triffid
Right, triffid!
I'm from Tucson, where it's legal to carry handguns, in holsters, in public. Even here in San Francisco, this slum has illegal weapons all over it from out-of-state. Probably the same everywhere.
And! I'm seeing hate in sporting events with fistfights breaking out in the bleachers. Guns and tasers, too. Internet catfights between teenage girls on the 'Web!?!? It wasn't like this 30-40 yrs ago.
Wait until the games-playing stunts in Europe end. Fresh riots in Greece will probably return bigger than before.
--Lee
Quote from: fritznien on September 14, 2011, 09:46:21 PM
2 books on compost?
compost is too much trouble, we just haul the organics to the garden and heave.
every scrap of kitchen waste.
fritznien
Excellent, actually. When my Dad was alive he took his scraps to the compost heap and then, when they were ripe enough, he threw them on the garden and raked them into the soil.
--Lee
As I am always searching for strange and wonderful ideas on the internet.I ran across somebodys article on a super beefed up compost pile.He was talking about drawing heat from it for the dead of winter.Putting copper coils in the middle of the heap.Of course the idea was not to draw so much heat you stop the process.And to super insulate the pile to retain the heat.Now the two books tell me it can heat up to 158 degrees F and no more without killing the bacteria creating the heat.The books also tell me that zeolite,clay and humus maintain a natural neg charge to attract pos charged odor molecules.So a compost pile has charged particles in it???.triffid
Also gravity is used to turn the compost in one design for a compost bin.
I always like it if gravity is used in a device.
Shelves are used to hold the compost until it reaches a certain stage of ripeness then removed to tumble it further down into the bin with no need to turn it as a result.triffid
I usually have to look at a planetary body to see gravity being used to do work of some kind.Jupiter and io gravity creates heat as a result of flexing ios crust.Earth and moon gravity pushes the moon further away from the earth with the help of tidal action.triffid
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 15, 2011, 02:30:14 PM
Wait until the games-playing stunts in Europe end. Fresh riots in Greece will probably return bigger than before.
--Lee
There's also something else I've been meaning to say:
http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/17/news/economy/unemployment_benefits/index.htm
Just wanted to prove my possibly earlier assertion that real suffering is coming to this country if people stop spending when their unemployment benefits run out. There must be 10,000,000 people out of work during the last 3 yrs.
--Lee
Lee,I agree with you.70% of the us economy depends on the guy in the street spending.When state aid drys up too.I believe crime will go way up as police forces are trimmed back to fit leaner budgets.I do try to help someone if they ask me.I helped a woman today with 25 cents so she could buy her breaskfast at Mc Donalds.Usually I am asked for a lot more.I know when you die you don't take one red cent with you.So if I can I do try to help out.To help people here in this life.Usually I tell them to pass it on.Don't pay me back help someone else down the road.One guy seemed to be trying to get me alone with him.Most likely to rob me?I avoid him at all costs now.
Even hang up on him.triffid
I read in the paper today that a lot of young people are unable to find jobs.So they will not have working experiences in their youth to shape them in their later years.Some young man came by this house last week trying to sell me on an alarm system made with GE parts.I told him I hated GE because they moved 80% of their american jobs overseas.He seemed unaware they had done that.Then I told him it still takes ten minutes for the cops to get here.The main reason I'm buying a gun soon.I need protection the first ten minutes of a home invasion.I see everyone needing a gun at home real soon.triffid
in electronics it is nothing new triff. over 25 years ago i pulled am IC chip out of a parts bin where i worked,
it had "made in" and 6 differant countries listed. the silicon wafers are grown in one place, cut in another
and put into their packages in another then sent to have the leads connected to the guts of the chip and on it goes.
just where is anything made now.yes its a real pain competing with people who make a dollar a day. but in the long run
i think it might be a good thing, china and India are nearly first world countries, with any luck others will follow
and the world will have better living standards. time will tell.
globalization is not about banks or trade agreements as much as its about containers.
a truck picks up a container, a railroad moves it across country and a ship takes it around the world.
door to door almost anywhere for a lot less than in the past.
fritznien
When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
It's a classic, but i had so say it.
Shoes work better in pairs too.Another saying I ran across latelyAlso dinosaurs were once not just oil.I will have to correct myself about compost piles.The really large ones can get so hot as to catch fire.So as a renewable energy source maybe I can heat a house in winter with a big compost pile?Compost piles will be with us a long,long time on this planet.triffid
Got melting metal on your mind? http://backyardmetalcasting.com/ tells you how to do it!!! triffid
Quote from: Justsomeguy on September 15, 2011, 11:55:21 PM
When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
It's a classic, but i had so say it.
I mentally chuckle. LOL. ::) It's really dated now, with the exception of where I live in a police-state-slum-gangland-war-zone. They arrive loaded for bear and sporting a bad attitude. They(the cops) need to, though. This place sucks, bites and blows!
Later reedit,All the more reason:
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/16/news/economy/bloomberg_jobs_riots/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2
--Lee
Thanks Lee for the link to that jobs report.Its exactly what I was talking in the newspaper report that I read.A whole generation of college grads can't find jobs. The economy added no jobs in August, according to the Labor Department, for the first time since February, 1945.
The unemployment rate is 9.1%, but many experts say that figure is misleading. They prefer to use the so-called underemployment rate, which includes people who have given up their search for jobs as well as people who want to work full-time but are forced to work part-time.
The underemployment rate is 16.2%.
So 16.2 %don't have enough money and 9.1% have no money.Looks like 24.3% of americans have a pretty bleak future here.
0'You have a lot of kids graduating college, [who] can't find jobs," said Bloomberg, during his weekly radio show on Friday. "That's what happened in Cairo. That's what happened in Madrid. You don't want those kinds of riots here."I had a hard time finding work myself in the mid 70's.
triffid
I went to a giant garage sale here in st.Louis today.I bought a two burner gas grill from the 1930s for ten dollars.I plan to use homemade gas to burn in it.You really need to learn how to make your own fuel and learn how to grow your own food.I do plan to make an outdoor cooking area at my house.triffid
The future is still good I think.I dream about the space elevator.We can build one already on the moon.Maybe even on mars.In 5 to 10 years maybe even one or more on the earth.I would like to see the earth enter into a new era of prosperity.To stay only on the earth dooms our species to the same fate as the dinosaurs.Extinction when a big enough rock falls from the sky.triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 17, 2011, 11:41:36 AM
The future is still good I think.
As a Native American who's familiar with the Traditional ways, I have something to say about that:
There's a Grand-style of major Mayan cycles that's said to end on 21-22 Dec. 2012 (Winter Solstice). Okay, but after that, the Mayans said there will have been a minor cycle in which the following would have been foreseen:
A. Half the population will eat well and the other half would have difficulties.
B. The whole population will come together for a common purpose or goal.
I interpret: The economies of the world will collapse and social unrest will be very severe, to say the least. We, in the Americas, have more land and smaller populations in which to contend with social strife, some of which may be unavoidable.
A. We can eat better than they can in the Eastern Hemisphere.The Muslim extremists are numerous enough and patient enough to win their "Jihad" in the Eastern Hemisphere. When they do, they'll overthrow the rest of the Arabic states and set their sights on Europe---which is closer to them than we are. After that, however, they'll come after us.
B. We'll need to band together to confront this threat with a unified goal of winning WWIII. Otherwise, we all die.
--Lee
At the missouri renewable fair I went to last week,I met a man named Mr.Thom Day of MEERI(Maxwell-Edison Energgy Research Institute) located in jefferson City,Mo.He told me that in order for men to live in space Someone must learn to turn electricity into gravity.Because all life on earth evolved in a gravitational field and therefore falls apart in the weightnessless of space.I asked him about one constant gee aceleration engines.He said its not real gravity and your body can tell the difference.He said too that Nasa's attempts to grow food plants in orbit are failures.Related to lack of gravity.He had magnetic floatation devices there for demonstration purposes.Including one he built 35 years ago.It still floats in the earths gravity field.Its nothing more than two opposing magnets held in place by a wooden frame.But he built it 35 years ago and it still floatsI built a much simpler one in the late 1990.s and let it float for two months.triffid
He said a manned mission would not survive a trip to mars.It would take too long to get there.If hes right then we need to focus on using electricity to make real gravity.I think we can get to the moon quick enough build a base there.See what happens in 1/6 the gravity of earth.triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 17, 2011, 07:20:29 PM
He said a manned mission would not survive a trip to mars.It would take too long to get there.If hes right then we need to focus on using electricity to make real gravity.I think we can get to the moon quick enough build a base there.See what happens in 1/6 the gravity of earth.triffid
Was he talking about the VASIMR? A plasma rocket that uses H2 or He to give variable thrust. It only takes 35-45 days to get to Mars. It has to be built in orbit, though. The fuel alone should weigh about 50 tons. The ship would weigh 5,000 to 10,000 tons. But that would be feasible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_Specific_Impulse_Magnetoplasma_Rocket
--Lee
electricity to gravity? come on pull the other one.
first all you need to do is build the ship so it can spin then you have all the artificial gravity you need.
since when is there a difference between steady acceleration and gravity?
don't forget the space station, the record for time in freefall is one year.
fritznien
Those are the things he said at the missouri renewable energy fair.I do not know him from Adam but he said some interesting things.I thought if hes right then we have some serious drawbacks to space travel.I know after a year in freefall it takes months to get strength back in body. It seems to me that if we can get to mars in 50 days then it would not be a problem.Still mars has only a third of earths gravity so the entire mission would not be at one earth gee.So time from earth to mars and back would be???2 years?More???triffid
he would seem to not know what he is talking about.
needing some rehab is a long way from falling apart.
in one third gee you could wear weights and exercise to counter the effects.
in space for extended times you could use centripetal force to mimic gravity.
nothing that could not be handled.the real problem is coming up with
the money to pay for it all.
fritznien
I know where to get the money.Stop all the wars and stop paying the federal reserve interest on our own money.that would save 1.7 trillion to the federal reserve.And about another 1.5 trillion dollars for the wars we are involved in.So Money is really not a problem.Just what issues our leaders think are important is the problem.Our young people ages 16-19 are suffering 25% unemployment.triffid
I think that the lack of jobs would force everyone to reinvent themselves.Pretty much like old movie stars have to keep their careers fresh and moving along.Young people with lots of energy could take up wood working skills.Whatever their interests are.Work with junk and make it work.Recycle,learn to grow more food.Do housecleaning,do windowwashing,Do things for homeowners and get paid for their work.
triffid
A way to buy houses on the cheap. http://www.ehow.com/how_6922021_do-property-missouri-tax-lien_.html
triffid
More bad news in the paper.Only 1% of mortgage aid fund dispensed out to distressed owners 16 months after its creation."The hardest Hit " fund was supposed to help home owners in distress.But 99 % received no help for 16 months now.Aint government GREAT?1.5 million homes were foreclosed on since feb,2010 when the program was lauched.Millions more are at risk.I found this to be true of short sales and loan modications.Less than 10% of those who applied receive any kind of help.All this media hype about mortgage help is a bunch of hooey.triffid
Quote from: fritznien on September 17, 2011, 10:42:57 PM
electricity to gravity? come on pull the other one.
first all you need to do is build the ship so it can spin then you have all the artificial gravity you need.
since when is there a difference between steady acceleration and gravity?
fritznien & triffid,
You both might have a point. Gravity is "acceleration" as well, but without a magnet field having a North & South Pole orientation, the body won't act normally. We all evolved in a natural magnet field.
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don't forget the space station, the record for time in freefall is one year.
fritznien
The ISS is still in the Earth's magnet field. Wait. Acceleration with electromagnets at the same time? How about that? Electromagnet gravity? I was going to say, "NAZI UFO." And I guess I just did. :-\ ::) Just a thought, though.
On topic:Greece is running out of money and time. And talks are in a stalemate in Europe. If they don't come to their senses and accept responsibility for their past financial actions, we could all pay for it.
--Lee
It is very good this crises. It will allow us to distinguish good and clever, from bed and dumb. Automatically.
Greece is running out of money and so is everyone else.We will all pay for it.The politicial paralysis of the countries involved will be our downfall.Blind belief in government protecting us from this economic crisis coming is the same as burying our heads in the sand.Do what you can to save yourself.That means the helping hands you need are at the ends of your own two arms.The internet is a great tool.Use it to prepare for whats coming.triffid
It was interesting to hear what Mr.Thom Day had to say about the human body not surviving zero gee to go anywhere in space for long periods of time.Questionable yes?Still no guts no glory.Going to the moon and returning after a few days is not the same as spending two years on the moon.If we are so frail then the moon is 100 times more important than we thought?What if we had a trillion dollar moon program.Instead of a trillion dollar war program.Which one would insure the survival of man as a species if a big enough rock hits the earth wiping out those on the earth? Not the trillion dollar WAR program for sure!I think we are so shortsighted we are dooming ourselfs to extinction.triffid
I know the dinosaurs only cared about chasing each other and eating each other.Looks like man is thinking like a dinosaur???Didn't that fail 65 million years ago?triffid
http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=3624 the pawnbrokers guide to testing gold and silver.Look for it in the first post here.triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 19, 2011, 06:57:11 PM
I know the dinosaurs only cared about chasing each other and eating each other.Looks like man is thinking like a dinosaur???Didn't that fail 65 million years ago?triffid
The life cycle begins and ends for anything living. Besides, it was an asteroid hitting the Yucatan that did them in. They lasted for 150-200 million yrs. Very successful for a bunch of reptiles.
--Lee
Lets hope we can last as long.I still want that trillion dollar moon program.Bill clinton says the banks are sitting on 2 trillion cash and so are the corporations.Makes a total of 4 trillion cash out there on the sidelines just waiting for investments. http://www.stlouis-mo.gov/data/address-search/index.cfm I needed a place to park this link. triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 20, 2011, 01:51:23 PM
...Makes a total of 4 trillion cash out there on the sidelines just waiting for investments. http://www.stlouis-mo.gov/data/address-search/index.cfm I needed a place to park this link. triffid
The Corporations won't spend money because they say the Govt isn't giving them enough guidance on tax cuts or things like labor laws as to unions. That's what they say.
They're wrangling over political money issues in Congress. Stupid! If they don't get their act together, they'll all be voted out of office in 2012.
Good riddance to the schmucks.
--Lee
Utah recently made gold legal tender.They legalized gold and silver as currency-an outright rejection of the existing money system.Citizens have the flexlbility to pay taxes and state services with the precious metal and gold and silver coin sales will be exempt from the capital gains tax.Nine other states are debating similar bills in their legislatures.Recently ,Steve Forbes predicted the US would return to the gold standard in the next five years.triffid
While we are told our national debt is only 75 trillion its really 200 trillion according to Lawrence Kotilkoff,economist at Boston University.Further more at current rates of demand we will run out of GOLD
in only 19.2 years.Scientists are baffled! Analysts believe that recoverable gold resources could run out within 20 years at this rate.So gold could jump to $5,000 $10,000 per ounce by the end of 20 years.So Now we have a reason to send our troops to the moon to mine the gold and other metals that are there
Surely there are trillions of dollars worth of gold and silver on the moon.Now that we run out of gold on the earth within 20 years as reported by Michael Williams"MARKET MOVERS",1230 AVENUE OF THE AMERICAS,7TH FLOOR,NEW YORK,N.Y.10020. TRIFFID
Sorry about the rant but today was the first time I ever read anywhere that we will run out of gold.A gold report I got through the mail.I still want that trillion dollar moon program.Maybe combine military actions with gold and silver mining?triffid
Surely that four trillion dollars sitting on the sidelines could be used to bring home 200 trillion dollars worth of lunar gold and silver?triffid
I found it!I found it!I found a possible source of confusion in congress over the economy.They are using Ma and Paw kettle math.Take a look!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfq5kju627c&feature=player_embedded
triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 21, 2011, 07:34:59 PM
Surely that four trillion dollars sitting on the sidelines could be used to bring home 200 trillion dollars worth of lunar gold and silver?triffid
There's no end to the fear and greed in some people's hearts. It'll stay there until they're guaranteed a large return on their money. And there
isn't any guarantee of
that.
There might be gold on the Moon but maybe it's in the core under 1,100 miles of rock? There's more in the Earth's core, but that's under 4,000 miles of rock. White-hot uranium, thorium and lead as well.
On Topic:Greece is cutting pensions by 20%. American and French banks/firms are being credit-downgraded as I write this. Most analysts say Greece will default, but what happens after that is a question mark
(?) Pun? I realize rioting is no joke, however. I see no good end to this.
--Lee
do you really expect to be taken seriously? this thread has been going on and on and on and on for over 2 years now... where is the economic disaster? i see constant "reports" and links to news articles about market fluctuations and predictions galore... but no economic disaster.
i guess some people are only happy when it rains... or they like to "cry wolf"...
We are living in the middle of the diasaster right now.Since I came to the St.Louis area last Feb there has been no improvement in this area of the country.Food prices have been going up.Gas prices are being yo-yo'd with.
Real estate market here has collasped big time.Everytime a job has come up there have a roomful of people trying to get it.Yesterday I was told by someone that he went to apply for a JOB with UPS at THREE AM in the morning and the room was filled with people.He said they talked with everyone in such a manner as to discourage them.I am retired so I worry about SS.But I did manage to buy a cheap house.So no more renting for me for now.But there are hungry people everywhere here.Drugs are everywhere.When the states start going broke and stop assisting people there will be millions more living in tents.Do you have your tent ready.Bill Clinton says that now is the time to become a self sustaining independent farmer.He should know he is a millionaire in his own right.triffid
I am so furious at the USA for not going back to the moon.Now Iran will beat us there.So will China and Japan.
There is cash enough to go.Its just the will is not there unless we are invading someone.So If Iran is planing to put WMD on the moon we might go back.I like Japan and China.Take me serious about that trillion dollar moon program.I think we need it sooner than you think.triffid
Hyperinflation is bearing down on us fast.Our governments misguided attempt at flooding the market with money only condemned our country and other countries around the world to financial disarray and radically devalued the US dollar.A dollar bill from 100 years ago has only about three cents of purchasing power today.
triffid
If you are on the train tracks and see a train headed your way you should have common sense enough to get out of the way.Now that baby boomers are entering retirement they will spend less and start downsizing.Gone will be the tax revenue from this generation.Down goes the GDP.From now through 2029 more than 70 million people will be entering entitlement programs,SS,medicare,etc.How will our our government pay for all of that without borrowing it? Generation X can't make up the shortfall,there are only 51 million of them.So maybe the train hasn't come to where you are playing on the tracks?When you and the train meet the train has always won.I would bet money on the train winning 100 % of the time.triffid
There is silver on the moon. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19609-lcross-mission-may-have-struck-silver-on-the-moon.html
To create the observed spectral lines, the silver would have to be much more concentrated than the 100 parts per billion measured in rocks returned by the Apollo astronauts. On Earth, silver is concentrated by geologic processes such as flowing water, but such processes do not operate on the moon.
So what might be concentrating the silver? One theory holds that volatile elements, such as mercury and magnesium, may hop along the moon's surface one atom at a time until they hit a "cold trap" â€" such as the permanently shadowed crater LCROSS smashed into â€" and stick.
Silver is not usually considered a volatile, but Robert Wegeng of the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory in Richland, Washington, who is not a member of the mission team, says it probably behaves like one in the vacuum and temperature conditions on the moon. Other useful metals, such as tellurium, indium, and selenium, may behave the same way, he says.
Paul Spudis of the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston, Texas, cautions that the spectral lines are not definitive. "We really need a surface rover mission," he says. "We can argue about emission spectra from now until doomsday, but I want an on-the-spot measurement before I'll finally believe it."
Journal reference: Science (vol 330, p 468)
This link talks about water on the moon being more valuable than gold http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-diamandis/gold-rush-on-the-moon_b_301273.html
If you've been wondering where the next gold rush is going to take place, look up at the night sky to our closest celestial neighbor. The next economic boom might just be a mere 240,000 miles away on the bella luna.
Exactly what I have been trying to say!triffid
From an economic point of view, water on the Moon is the equivalent of finding "gold in the hills of California." Translation: there is the potential for a California gold rush to hit the space community in the years ahead, and the teams building robotic exploration vehicles in the Google Lunar X PRIZE are constructing the shovels and picks on the leading edge of this potential boom.
So what's so interesting about water on the Moon? After all, it's in boundless supply on Earth. The value of water is its actual physical location on the Moon, a place that is very expensive to travel to. The utility of the water is both as a propellant for rockets and for the maintenance of human life in space. With sufficient water on the Moon, solar energy can be used to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen. The oxygen is, of course, critical for humans to breathe and the water important for us to drink. As it turns out, hydrogen (H2) and oxygen (O2) together are also one of the most efficient propellants we know. The Space Shuttle Main Engines (some of the most powerful rocket engines in existence), for example, burn O2 and H2 to blast our astronauts off the Earth into orbit. You can think of water as the petroleum of spaceflight. Rather than oil that powers our cars, H2 and O2 power our rocketships.
Today's launch costs are, unfortunately, extremely expensive. On the average it costs something on the order of $20,000 per pound to get supplies into low-Earth orbit (where the International Space Station is located) and, optimistically, 10 times to 20 times that cost -- or approximately $400,000 per pound -- to land something on the Moon's surface.
So the cost of transporting water to the lunar surface, or oxygen, or hydrogen, is about $400,000 per pound or $25,000 per ounce -- about twenty-five times the price of gold today!
Revealing water in significant quantities on the Moon could truly be a turning point in space exploration. Who will set up the first water mining plants? Given low-cost availability of water, hydrogen and oxygen, what type of off-Earth economies and exploration will this enable?
The following is an answer to the question is there oil and gold on the moon from yahoo answers.
Actually, scientists have recently discovered that oil is NOT organic in nature. It is actually formed from rock under extreme heat and pressure. It just happens to usually have organic stuff trapped in it. They've found places on the earth where new oil is being formed and have found that it doesn't take as long to form oil and coal as was once thought.
As far as their being oil or gold on the moon, maybe there is assuming the moon has ever had seismic activity. You see you need a lot of heat and pressure to make both oil and gold and I'm not sure if there are any volcanos or tectonic plates on the moon. Probably a better chance for finding precious metals on Mars where we know there has been seismic activity.
I thought the comment about new oil being formed was interesting.triffid
So there you have it gold like the other elements is formed inside a star.But volcanic activity could bring it to the surface on the moon and mars.So It looks like people are thinking more about the moon than I thought.Hooray for them!Then the asteroid belt beyond mars contains lots of metal.Just waiting for us to come get it.triffid
Total cost of a privately funded Edwards' Space Elevator
A space elevator built according to the Edwards proposal is estimated to cost $20 billion ($40B with a 100% contingency).[12] This includes all operating and maintenance costs for one cable. If this is to be financed privately, a 15% return would be required ($6 billion annually). Subsequent elevators would cost $9.3B and would justify a much lower contingency ($14.3B total). The space elevator would lift 2 million kg per year per elevator and the cost per kilogram becomes $3,000 for one elevator, $1,900 for two elevators, $1,600 for three elevators, until construction costs are recovered, after which this drops significantly.
For comparison, in potentially the same time frame as the elevator, the Skylon, 12,000 kg cargo capacity spaceplane (not a conventional rocket) is estimated to have an R&D and production cost of about $15 billion.[12] The vehicle has about the same $3,000/kg price tag. Skylon would be suitable to launch cargo and particularly people to low/medium Earth orbit. Early space elevator designs move only cargo, although to a much wider range of destinations.[13] Later, tourism would seem possible as safety parameters are established.
So with a price tag of 20 to 40 billion dollars a space elevator could be built.With 4 trillion in cash setting on the sidelines could be space is the next economic frontier?triffid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator_economics
Going on four weeks now with no sign of my squatters.Weather is getting colder so maybe they are not around at all anymore?I am now looking at finding a buyer for this property.In about 30 days I will be going back to my own house.Then I will be going to a different McDonalds for my breakfast.I at least need my coffee.triffid
The reality is that investors who stayed the course and did not pull their money out of the market in the last few months may actually have fared pretty well. Despite an almost 8 percent decline since mid-July, the broader stock market, represented by the S&P 500 Index, is up nearly 8 percent over the past 12 months. Certainly it's been a rough few years with the S&P 500, down 8 percent in five years. But over the past decade, the broader stock market is up by more than 10 percent.
In most cases, the road to financial security in retirement comes with steady savings, strategic investing, and probably a later retirement date than you may have envisioned at the start of your career. Keep these three rules in mind: First, you need to live within your means. Next, you have to commit to saving a certain amount every month and stick to that goal. Then, you have to make sure your investments are in a diversified portfolio â€" a mix of stocks, bonds, and alternative investments (commodities and real estate) and rebalance that mix to attain your goals for growth
Pay attention,more americans are becoming millionaires than you realized. http://finance.yahoo.com/retirement/article/113526/what-it-takes-become-millionaire-cnbc?mod=retire-planning triffid
Forget about commodities.Over 90% of all transactions there will lose money.Forget about mutual funds too.Some will disagree with me there but I will never touch them again.triffid
The number of millionaires in the country is growing. The U.S. has more than 10 million. Despite the European debt crisis and worries about the U.S. economy, a May 2011 report from the Deloitte Center for Financial Services projects that the number of millionaire households in the U.S. will more than double to 20.5 million in 2020, with combined wealth of $87 trillion, up from $39 trillion in 2011. triffid
These are the things I found to work in my life whae I followed them.It does take work.In most cases, the road to financial security in retirement comes with steady savings, strategic investing, and probably a later retirement date than you may have envisioned at the start of your career. Keep these three rules in mind: First, you need to live within your means. Next, you have to commit to saving a certain amount every month and stick to that goal. Then, you have to make sure your investments are in a diversified portfolio Save at least 10% or more a month.Pretend you do not have that money to spend.Do this savings program for at least eight years.triffid
This sounds like a cover story put together by the credit card companies. http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/113549/michigan-couple-pay-off-92000-debt-creditcards;_ylt=AqsQC1D84UDD4jqFHyiRM9NO7sMF;_ylu=X3oDMTFhZmFlbzNnBHBvcwMzBHNlYwNwZXJzb25hbEZpbmFuY2UEc2xrA2hvd29uZWNvdXBsZQ--#mwpphu-container Remember the credit card companies settle in the states that allow them to charge the highest interest and to play games on bumping up your interest rate if you are late or behind one payment to another account.triffid
I just can't put my finger on how I feel about this. People who say they should not declare bankruptcy I point out that OUR biggest financial institutions went running to Uncle Sam begging to help them. They have even had the bankruptcy laws rewritten in their favor.But life does not guarantee that by saving and not using credit cards that you will remain financially solvent. All it will take is a medical catstrophe and even wiith insurance you will be in the poor house trying to stay afloat.Don't even use one credit card.I have no credit cards at this point in my life.The whole story sounds like a plant to encourage people to pay them no matter what .Interest,late fees,over the limit fees,you name it fees.triffid
On september25 gold closed at 1650.20 per oz and silver was 30.75 per oz.A month ago gold was $1884 per oz and silver was at 43.00 per oz.Because gold and silver has its ups and downs ever since I started watching it in the 1970's.I have never acquired a large pile of it.So $5000 an oz gold is not here yet!
triffid
A mother earth article from 1981 on using a wood gasifier to run a truck. http://www.motherearthnews.com/green-transportation/wood-gasification-a-renewable-fuel-option-to-power-your-vehicle.aspx triffid
Part of me says its about time! And the other part of me says our debt will go up a lot more! WASHINGTON (AP) â€" A Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee said Sunday that the U.S. should consider military action against Pakistan if it continues to support terrorist attacks against American troops in Afghanistan.
"The sovereign nation of Pakistan is engaging in hostile acts against the United States and our ally Afghanistan that must cease, Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told "Fox News Sunday."
He said if experts decided that the U.S. needs to "elevate its response," he was confident there would be strong bipartisan support in Congress for such action.
Graham did not call for military action but said "all options" should be considered. He said assistance to Pakistan should be reconfigured and that the U.S. should no longer designate an amount of aid for Pakistan but have a more "transactional relationship" with the country.
"They're killing American soldiers," he said. "If they continue to embrace terrorism as a part of their national strategy, we're going to have to put all options on the table, including defending our troops."
Time management literature can be paraphrased as follows:
"Get Organized" - paperwork and task triage
"Protect Your Time" - insulate, isolate, delegate
"Set gravitational goals" - that attract actions automatically
"Achieve through Goal management Goal Focus" - motivational emphasis
"Work in Priority Order" - set goals and prioritize
"Use Magical Tools to Get More Out of Your Time" - depends on when written
"Master the Skills of Time Management"
"Go with the Flow" - natural rhythms, Eastern philosophy
"Recover from Bad Time Habits" - recovery from underlying psychological problems, e.g. procrastination
http://golddetecting.4umer.net/
Great news guys.Much progress has been made in extracting gold from seawater.About an average of 10ppb.
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/golden-bacterial-do/ bacteria are tiny little plants.Now the USA can go back on a gold standard as predicted by forbes.Now we can go to Europa too the oceans there are estimated to be nearly double the volume of water on the earth.Most likely it too has gold in solution?
Conclusion:
Even at the conservative estimates of 10 ppb of gold in seawater, there is a great deal of gold in solution in the oceans. Humankind has unearthed perhaps a total of 3.3 billion ounces of gold over the course of history, an amount equivalent To a cube of gold 55 feet on a side (Dworetzky 1988), but the sea water of the Earth’s oceans contain about 25 billion ounces of gold (Burk 1989). If the ability of some of these bacteria to concentrate gold around their cell membranes to the degree that they form massively dense agglomerations of hollow gold microtubuals, as the evidence suggests, then perhaps a similar bacterium may find a practical application in sea water.
So the economy gets saved and earth can now get 100 space elevators.triffid
Silver from the Sea
Written by Glyn Ford and Jonathan Simnett
In the Red Sea three years ago, Saudi Arabia and The Sudan jointly launched an experiment that, in the Middle Ages, might have been called alchemy: the transmutation of a common, worthless substance â€" mud â€" into a rare and valuable substance: silver. In the Red Sea, however, the process depends on technology rather than magic, and is extraction rather than transmutation.
[...]
What the commission is investigating are thick layers of mud â€" up to 30 meters (98 feet) â€" that have been collecting over the last 10,000 years in the deep depressions along the center of the Red Sea 90 kilometers from land (56 miles). Found beneath pools of dense, extremely hot brines-60°C (140°F)-that have formed in depressions two kilometers deep, these muds are rich in zinc and copper, smaller amounts of other metals, including gold, and â€" the main target-silver.
Since the 1880s, oceanographers have suspected that the Red Sea had hidden secrets. It was not until 1948, however, as the post-war boom in ocean research got underway, that the strange, high-temperature brines were found and recorded by the Swedish vessel Albatross. And it was not until about 1963 that scientists, in a burst of exploratory activity, obtained samples of the metalliferous muds.
Since then, 18 brine pools and associated mud deposits have been discovered. But from a commercial viewpoint only one of these is important: the Atlantis II Deep. The largest found so far, the Atlantis II Deep, named after the survey ship which discovered it, has a surface area of 60 square kilometers (23 square miles) and vast deposits of multi-colored muds, the consistency of soft toothpaste, containing, in the southwest basin, six percent zinc, one percent copper and 100 parts per million of silver.
Technical optimism aside, Saudi Arabia and The Sudan must also consider the economics â€" and they are as tricky as the technology. To be sure, the latest estimates of Atlantis II Deep suggest a tremendous potential: 1.95 million metric tons of zinc, 400,000 metric tons of copper, 4,000 metric tons of silver and 60 tons of gold worth some $4 billion at current prices. But metal markets are highly volatile. At today’s prices, for example, almost half the revenue would come from zinc â€" which has recently been steadily rising in price â€" while copper revenues would be much smaller.
As for silver, the target metal, commission experts have to keep in mind such upsets as the 1980 fiasco when prices gyrated wildly during an attempt to corner the market â€" and then crashed. On the other hand, the silver market is usually less vulnerable than other metals and now seems assured of a long-term upward trend.
@triffid,
The system is broke. It has been broken for a very long time and not all the gold in the world is going to save it. We are in unchartered waters and must think out of the box other wise the bastards with the moto "ordo ab cao" will try to implement their dastardly plan.
Food for thought:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=Fr1cyKqkPbM&v=0prRhKIlenQ&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_990632
Lee I don't know if you can profit from this but here it is: Sliver a “sidebar†note, I also ran into an interesting approach to mining silver. Don’t know yet whatever came of it, but with current prices it would likely be a ‘winner’. Maybe someone ought to test the sediments of the Colorado in the Gulf of California and the sediments of the Sacramento where it dumps into the Delta / SF Bay for metal content… I know that at one point the silver from millions of folks photographs was washing into the SF Bay in quantities high enough they warned about silver poisoning in the area around Alviso…
triffid
To master plaster.The system may be broke But theres always hope.And I think the world returning to a gold standard for money is the way to go.To get rid of fiat money altogether.As long as people won't starve there is hope.Maybe the elite can't think of every detail in advance in advance?Maybe theres something that they have missed?It often takes just one person to change the world.Maybe the future for mankind is offworld?
Europa may have have gold in solution in its oceans?Double the volume of earths oceans.Look at how we neglected solar energy in favor of cheap gas and oil.Its been known for three hundred years that glass traps solar heat.Rooms enclosed with glass build up to 145 degrees in about 15 minutes.We have them now but we call them cars.triffid
I think we are all playing on the same railroad tracks.Certain trains are traveling towards us.There is enough silver and gold I think.I don't know about food?I know fresh drinking water is in short supply.If we see winter coming we try to get ready for it.I realized that if the the giant banks and corporations are sitting on the sidelines with four trillion cash.Its very unlikely that our government will cause our money to become worthless
overnight as there would be hell to pay.In congress and the senate.But if it becomes worthless overnight as the german mark did twice in the 20th century then the big banks and giant corporations have no better eyesight than I do.Mine right now is pretty bad.triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 24, 2011, 03:57:56 PM
Forget about commodities.Over 90% of all transactions there will lose money.Forget about mutual funds too.Some will disagree with me there but I will never touch them again.triffid
And I agree, triffid. The European PIIGS countries and the American Congress are highly adept at putting off the future, impending financial disaster, since they have so much practice doing it up 'til now.
WilbyInebriated doesn't think so, but IMO, he acts like a child or animal and merely
observes his surroundings. Okay, I have information he doesn't have or doesn't care about.
To a few on this site: He's A. Troll.
I'd say---and a few Europeans would agree---the Europeans themselves have about 6-12 weeks before people in Europe see what useless games-playing and can-kicking their leaders are playing.
When Greece reduced the available pensions to retirees by 20%, there are prompt, fresh riots in the streets. The Germans, French and some others are getting impatiently unhappy about the Greeks stalling on financial reform. Greece will default anyway.
After that, a significant percentage of Southern Europe residents, as well as Arabic Europeans living there in Europe will become more than dissatisified with the prospect of starving. Lehman Brothers in the Eastern Hemisphere.
Wall street riots occurring often now. The reason for that is similar to Europe's. No trust in the "system". I suppose we have a month to 3 months left.
Anything at all can happen between now and 3 months from now.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 26, 2011, 10:21:12 PM
And I agree, triffid. The European PIIGS countries and the American Congress are highly adept at putting off the future, impending financial disaster, since they have so much practice doing it up 'til now.
WilbyInebriated doesn't think so, but IMO, he acts like a child or animal and merely observes his surroundings. Okay, I have information he doesn't have or doesn't care about.
To a few on this site: He's A. Troll.
I'd say---and a few Europeans would agree---the Europeans themselves have about 6-12 weeks before people in Europe see what useless games-playing and can-kicking their leaders are playing.
When Greece reduced the available pensions to retirees by 20%, there are prompt, fresh riots in the streets. The Germans, French and some others are getting impatiently unhappy about the Greeks stalling on financial reform. Greece will default anyway.
After that, a significant percentage of Southern Europe residents, as well as Arabic Europeans living there in Europe will become more than dissatisified with the prospect of starving. Lehman Brothers in the Eastern Hemisphere.
Wall street riots occurring often now. The reason for that is similar to Europe's. No trust in the "system". I suppose we have a month to 3 months left.
Anything at all can happen between now and 3 months from now.
--Lee
Go back to when there was no government in the world, did the world end? no, they just establish a government. go figure that one out.
even if the government of the world ended it will just cause man to become more independent for him/her self until they want a new government to rule them, Humans are colonist, they like being ruled as a majority, the minority loses.
the same thing happens in a colony of Ants.
Jerry
For millions of years ants have survived with very little change in their appearance.Man has human intelligence which is vastly superior to animal intelligence.I think the difference comes from our ability to understand the environment and to adapt to it.We seem to be far better at it even surpassing the Neanderthals of Europe.Who developed short massive bodies to deal with the last ice ages of Europe.In our our case we would build more fireplaces to deal with the approaching cold of an ice age and not evolve body adaptations to deal with it.
So if our intelligence is that far ahead of Neanderthals then maybe we can learn not to be afraid of each other.
Which seems to be what government should be all about.To create a society in which we are not afraid of each other.My squatters told me that once in a while I need to be afraid.There are those who think they can take and take and take.And not give back.We need to get angry enough to clean house wherever we need to in our respective governments.triffid
If you are a politician and you did not listen to your people you represent You need to leave office.If you voted yourself a nice fat raise in your government pension and the people you represent cant get one too.You need to leave office.If you voted yourself a fat raise at the expense of the public coffers you need to leave office.
They need to leave(be voted out) and let someone else in.Obama came in on promises of change but he changed a lot once he got in.So be careful who you vote for.Obama was against wars but Libya was attacked on his order.
triffid
I would understand it better if we attacked a country and started stealing their oil.We would make back some of our money and not put our wars on a credit card.With universal default laws in effect for the common joe,are there none for our government?Ron Paul seems to be a clear voice crying out in the desert.Stop the foreign wars.Bring the young people home.Create jobs at home.Stop sending american jobs overseas.Fix whats wrong.If it is working don't fix it.I hate GE.They sent 80% of their american jobs overseas to save money.What if the rest of them did just that ?Follow the GE model?What if wall street sent 80% of their jobs overseas?
The world has gone nuts!!!
Trends in Retirement Pensions
The greatest cost for current employers includes pension and retirement payments and health care costs. The U.S. Commerce Department Bureau of Economic Analysis reported contributions by employers to staff pension and insurance funds in 1946 totaled $2.543 billion dollars, an increase over totals for 1929 of only $650 million. CNBC noted in 2011 that the traditional defined company retirement benefit plan, with employers contributing funds or matching employee retirement contributions, has evaporated from the workplace.
Read more: The Average Pension Income | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_8635357_average-pension-income.html#ixzz1ZBoVmUI0
Widows of solders killed in action receive widows pensions. http://www1.va.gov/opa/publications/benefits_book/benefits_chap12.asp
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retirement plans in general http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/publications/wyskapr.html#PlanAdministrator
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Shame on you! http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20110927/NEWS01/109270318/1060/news01
Pension perks aren't unique to legislators in South Carolina. More than 4,100 legislators in 33 states are positioned to benefit from special retirement laws that they and their predecessors have enacted to boost their pensions by up to $100,000 a year, a USA TODAY investigation found. Even as legislators cut basic state services and slash benefits for police, teachers and other workers, they have preserved pension laws that grant themselves perks unavailable to voters they serve or workers they direct.
In some states, lawmakers add expenses, per diem allowances and stipends to their base salaries. That inflates the compensation that's used to calculate retirement benefits, which are typically a percentage of final pay. In other states, legislators have written a special definition of salary that applies only to their pensions. Additional tactics include:
Basing pensions on salaries legislators are not paid or were paid in non-legislative jobs.
Collecting state pensions while also collecting legislative paychecks.
If you know someone in calif who is collecting a state pension this link might help you find out how much they are getting? http://www.transparency.ca.gov/Pensions/ triffid
Lost pensions could be found here? http://search.pbgc.gov/mp/
tips on how to go looking for a lost pension.I have one of these myself. http://www.pbgc.gov/Documents/Finding_A_Lost_Pension.pdf
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Once, private pensions were almost entirely unregulated.
It was not at all uncommon for a worker to reach the end
of a long working life and find that his or her nest egg, in
the form of an ample pension, had completely disappeared.
In 1974 Congress passed the Employee Retirement Income
Security Act (ERISA). This law, and other reforms enacted
since 1974, established broad protections for many workers.
The Department of Labor monitors pension plans to make
sure they are solvent and are being responsibly managed. The
Internal Revenue Service (IRS) also regulates pension plans,
primarily for tax purposes.
ERISA established PBGC, a federal agency that insures private
defined benefit pension plans, to make sure that workers
are not deprived of their accumulated benefits (see page 13
for more information on PBGC). However, not all pension
plans are protected by this federal law. Here are the major
exceptions to ERISA’s safeguards:
• Only private-sector workers are protected, not employees
of the federal government or state or local governments.
• The ERISA protections are not retroactive: that is, they do
not apply to workers who left their companies prior to the
effective date of ERISA. For most plans the effective date
is 1976 but for some plans, especially those established
after ERISA was passed, the effective date might be as
early as 1974. For multiemployer plans, the effective date
may be later. Nonetheless, in some cases, a person who
left a job before that time might be due a benefit, if he or
she satisfied the provisions of the plan for a benefit and
was vested in the benefit when he or she left the job.
• PBGC only insures defined benefit pension plans (see
Appendix A for definition and ERISA §4021(b) for a
listing of the types of defined benefit plans not covered
by PBGC.)
Quote from: triffid on September 26, 2011, 06:52:23 PM
Lee I don't know if you can profit from this but here it is: Sliver a “sidebar†note, I also ran into an interesting approach to mining silver. ... I know that at one point the silver from millions of folks photographs was washing into the SF Bay in quantities high enough they warned about silver poisoning in the area around Alviso…
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I did actually tell a German tourist not to eat seafood from the Bay, since there's still methyl mercury in the mud of the Bay that the fish and other life are depending on for survival. The rivers should be dredged and the mud processed for contaminants.
--Lee
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Shame on you! http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20110927/NEWS01/109270318/1060/news01
Pension perks aren't unique to legislators in South Carolina. More than 4,100 legislators in 33 states are positioned to benefit from special retirement laws that they and their predecessors have enacted to boost their pensions by up to $100,000 a year, a USA TODAY investigation found. Even as legislators cut basic state services and slash benefits for police, teachers and other workers, they have preserved pension laws that grant themselves perks unavailable to voters they serve or workers they direct.
In some states, lawmakers add expenses, per diem allowances and stipends to their base salaries. That inflates the compensation that's used to calculate retirement benefits, which are typically a percentage of final pay. In other states, legislators have written a special definition of salary that applies only to their pensions. Additional tactics include:
Basing pensions on salaries legislators are not paid or were paid in non-legislative jobs.
Collecting state pensions while also collecting legislative paychecks.
Overspending (spending more than a government receives annually in revenues) is definitely bad for the economy but an even equally important destroyer of the economy is outsourcing labor overseas. Whenever a company leaves one country to begin production in another, they kill jobs in the country they leave.
Too many companies are setting up production factories in China and other low labor cost countries in order to widen their profit margins. American companies are finding it harder and harder to compete against companies who employ slave labor because they have moved to China.
How can American companies compete against droves of communist slaves in China? Companies who employ citizens of China:
• Pay these people less than minimum wages here.
• Have no labor board or employee rights organizations to worry about.
• Don’t have to pay workers overtime after 40 hours.
• Have no OSHA to worry about.
• No EPA to worry about.
• Don’t have to provide any benefits or safety equipment.
Unless we level the playing field now by imposing import tariffs on all foreign imported goods, ALL OF THE JOBS (with exceptions of jobs like McDonalds) WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE TO CHINA UNTIL EVERYTHING IS MADE THERE. We need to reward companies who have resisted the temptation of relocating some of their plants overseas by avoiding the new imposed import taxes.
After the import taxes are imposed, American made goods will be pretty much the same in price as Chinese made products thus making the market place even again. One alternative to this plan would be for people to start being willing to work for less than minimum wage, without overtime pay, vacations, etc. (just like the communist slaves do)
You decide,
Chess
I don't think they willingly do it.They are forced in similar ways that we are forced.We will be forced to accept less pay in many ways.Hopefully enough of us can be on a farm or somewhere we can grow our own food.My mother grew up on a farm during the great depression.They had no money but they grew their own food for the most part so they ate.They raised hogs,butchered them and salted the meat down to preserve it.My grandpa liked to drink so that took some cash.The family picked cotten by hand to earn some cash.I helped two days one time when I was in the fourth grade back in the 60's.To pick cotten that is,very hot work.Funny you should mention McDonald's in your post.At breakfast at McDonald's this morning they had a sign posted" now hiring".I said out loud I didn't know they had jobs in St.Louis!My two friends agreed with me.triffid
If we can eat we might make through whats coming.I saw about 50 pictures this morning on the riots in Greece
.Very bad when you can't kick the real people responsible like those in government.But you can kick the police officer who for the most part is a common joe like yourself.He did not make the law but it is his job to enforce it.So you take out the 20% loss of your pension on him.Its like being mad at the wife so you kick the dog.A lot of misplaced anger in Greece right now.If those in power are not listening vote them out of office!Very next elections!Keep a long memory like an elephant!triffid
I think wall street should move to china!So should fannie mae!Lets follow the GE model!Think of all the money we could SAVE!
oh I forgot Freddie Mac,Sorry.
Lets go to the moon before Iran gets there.Whats that word I want?Invade the moon .Thats it INVADE.Lets spend trillions of dollars invading the moon! We could set up a new government there before anyone else does!
Military pensions for everyone who joins!triffid
So without money we should all become selfsustaining independent farmers just like Bill Clinton said.
Anybody want to follow that advice?Revert the american society back 200 years to everyone living on farms?
Im ok with it as long as I can get my SS and eat breaskfast at McDonald's!My expectations matter just as much as anyone else's. triffid
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If we can eat we might make through whats coming.I saw about 50 pictures this morning on the riots in Greece. ...
Exactly. Analysts said the same thing. When the politicians run out of tricks to try on their economies, fresh riots will return to the streets.
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...Very bad when you can't kick the real people responsible like those in government.But you can kick the police officer who for the most part is a common joe like yourself.He did not make the law but it is his job to enforce it.So you take out the 20% loss of your pension on him. ...
Yep. Southern Europeans, North Africans and Middle Easterners tend to act out and demonstrate frustrations on the streets.
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Its like being mad at the wife so you kick the dog.A lot of misplaced anger in Greece right now.
Yeah, and Europeans since the Dark Ages have had a tradition of putting off the inevidable until it's so bad they're forced to do something about. The invasion of the Huns and the Mongols are a case in point. Frankly, a lot of people are the same way. Nobody likes to live hard for little or no reward.
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If those in power are not listening vote them out of office!Very next elections!Keep a long memory like an elephant!triffid
All governments may have some of the same problem with less-than-ultruistic leaders. Voting them out will replace them with more people like them.
The answer? triffid is getting a gun. I myself am at least looking for an inexpensive, K-Bar style survival knife. What you do depends upon your situation.
--Lee
I guess I will sit tight for a while.Start planting stuff over at my house.And pray I don't have to use my gun but also pray I can get the first shot off in time.Pray It will stop the two or three people coming through the door.
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My SS came today so Lee,I guess yours will come on time too.triffid
What happened after theS&P downgrade?Read on http://transamericaretirementmanagement.com/PDFs/TFA_Montoya_Commentary.pdf
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China’s comments. The world’s largest holder of U.S. debt issued a withering critique of Congress through
Xinhua, its official news agency. The state commentary stressed that the U.S. has a “debt addiction†only curable
via major cuts to defense spending and entitlement programs. It also said that the option of a “new, stable and
secured global reserve currency†should be explored.
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The Treasury’s claim. Friday evening, the Treasury argued that S&P’s analysis contained an accounting error that
unnecessarily added $2 trillion to its projection of U.S. debt. S&P admitted the error but stuck with the downgrade.
Wall Street might sail through this. Does that sound far-fetched? Look at some historical examples. S&P
downgraded Canada’s AAA credit rating in the spring of 1993, yet Canadian stocks gained 15% in 1994 and our
northern neighbor had its AAA rating back by 1997. Moody’s Investors Service downgraded Japan in November
1998 and its stock market advanced more than 25% in the next 12 months. Italy, Canada, Ireland, Japan, Belgium
and Spain have all suffered S&P downgrades from AAA, and most of these cuts had little sustained impact on
government bond yields.
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Are mortgage rates going to go north? Maybe; maybe not. Rates on conventional mortgages have a direct
relationship with 10-year Treasury yields. Recently, those yields have dramatically fallen, and demand for longerterm Treasury notes has been palpable. Interest rates on auto loans might see a spike, as those rates are pegged
to 2-year notes and factors like the LIBOR rate. The hardest hit might come from credit card issuers. Credit card
interest rates reflect the prime rate. Credit.com credit card advisor Beverly Blair Harzog told CNNMoney that she
believed credit card firms could possibly jack up rates 1-5% as a result of jitters over the downgrade.
Note that credit card rates could go up!!
People are real suckers for credit card companies.I am so sorry that they exist at all!I used them for years but wised up to their true costs and had to get them out of my life forever!triffid
These people might be able to deliver on their promises? http://www.transamerica.com/retirement.asp
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US congress on the internet!THOMAS was launched in January of 1995, at the inception of the 104th Congress. The leadership of the 104th Congress directed the Library of Congress to make federal legislative information freely available to the public. Since that time THOMAS has expanded the scope of its offerings to include the features and content listed below. http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php
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Lee,heres a link to that knife you want. http://www.simplesurvival.net/survivalknife.htm
You also mentioned that certain groups of people act out their frustrations in the streets.I watched a program I think about Americans during the great depression in which they claimed the great majority of Americans suffered at home and did not riot in the streets on a huge scale.I wonder if that could hold true this next time around?triffid
Well, what about everyone's favorite survival knife the USMC K-bar knife? I was issued a couple of these knives at different times in the mid 1970's and while I loved the design and the battlefield history of the knife (WWII, Korea , and Vietnam ) I found the K-bar to be too big and difficult for me to use for most field tasks. I prefer a smaller blade than the large seven inch blade on the old military issue K-bar. Keep in mind, this knife was never intended to be a survival knife, but rather a knife to kill with by stabbing. It is actually considered by many military members and survival professionals as an assault knife, not a survival knife. However, if you do an online search, K-bar will come up as a survival knife.
The blade on a government issue K-bar is longer and thinner than the USAF survival knife (there are commercial K-bars with shorter blades available) and that feature is to allow deeper penetration when stabbing. The K-bar blade is also made of 1095 carbon steel with an epoxy coated finish (to reduce shine and aid in camouflage) and the sheath is re-enforced with metal rivets at six locations. This knife does not have a metal sheath tip cover, which could cause injuries during falls. And, yep, I found it hard to sharpen and to keep an edge on as well, but then again I strongly dislike all coated knife blades. Oh, and I have seen some K-bar's sharp enough to shave with, but I just didn't want to spend that much time working on a blade. However, once you pick up a K-bar you will love the way it feels in your hand, because it feels like an extension of your arm. That, my friends, indicates a very solid and well built knife design. But, honestly, there are better knives, in my opinion, on the market these days and for about the same price, at around fifty dollars.
Not me talking just a cut and paste of a section of the article on k-knives.triffid
I bought one of these cheap knives for three dollars at a garage sale.I bought for the fish hook and fishing line.
so guilty as charged I am.Most of the hollow handled knives on the market now and those sold a few years ago where purchased because they looked neat (or were seen in action packed movies), not because they served any real practical function. I am not saying there are no hollow handled knives of quality out there, because I have seen more than just a few. My biggest complain with the knife design is why? Why do we need a knife (which can be dropped unknowingly from a sheath or lost when it is placed down some place) designed to carry our survival gear in a hollow handle. Keep in mind, if you lose the knife your survival gear goes with it. And, the amount of gear in the handles of these knives could be easier carried in a shirt pocket or your wallet. The contents typically consists of,
• Compass, which is fitted into the butt of the knife (wonder how accurate that will remain after a few days of rough field usage?)
• A few wooden matches in a small plastic bag
• 3 or 4 fish hooks with line (maybe a couple of lead sinkers)
• A cheap metal wire saw
• Some have a small piece of flint, band-aids (very small), and maybe a needle or two, a perhaps other small items
The concept is basically good, but with the market flooded with cheap imitations, it is difficult at best for the average outdoors person to separate quality from trash. Additionally, I have always disliked items that are designed to be half of one thing and half of another (is it a survival kit, or a knife?). Why? Because most items designed to perform two functions usually end up not doing either aspect of the design extremely well.
The contents of the hollow knife is sparse at best when it comes to survival gear and a person would be hard pressed to survive using just the contained equipment alone. I suggest you prepare (not buy a commercial model) a kit that contains what you think is needed or go by a suggested list by a survival professional. A survival kit does not have to be large and a small one can easily fit into a small fanny pack. The U.S. Air Force suggests as a minimum your survival kit contain the following items (and no knife can store this much gear in the hollow handle),
http://www.overunity.com/watermotor/
Paper motor runs on water.triffid
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Lee,heres a link to that knife you want. http://www.simplesurvival.net/survivalknife.htm
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In the picture, the one sticking out of the stump, furthest to the right looked like the one I used to own about 30 yrs ago. It was a genuine 'made in Japan' knockoff and I paid $7.95 + S & H for it. Unfortunately, I don't have it now. I'll look for another.
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You also mentioned that certain groups of people act out their frustrations in the streets.I watched a program I think about Americans during the great depression in which they claimed the great majority of Americans suffered at home and did not riot in the streets on a huge scale.I wonder if that could hold true this next time around?triffid
This is a different country now. And, importantly, in Calif. young Latino men and black youths were pissed that they didn't have a job any more, so they banded together for self-identity and began 'acting out frustrations on the streets', Thus...
http://blog.frankelcostume.com/zoot-suit-riot/
...so it wasn't all good, to say the least. The Depression brought out all the greed people had in them before it began.
On topic:http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/30/news/economy/double_dip_recession/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2
This goes with the first paragraph above.
--Lee
Heres a link to a guy who used a lawn mower engine to power a bicycle.He got up to 50mph.No word on mpg.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGHbaKnq1uk&feature=fvwp&NR=1
Another drill powered bike http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC3rB9f7DaU&NR=1
drill powered bikes and more !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z8dFlVNrY8&feature=related
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heres something to jolt your brain.A smooth ride on a bumpy road! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgbWu8zJubo&feature=fvwp&NR=1 triffid
Flying saucer aircraft are on their way and this man is making it happen! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKiQqORDnJQ&feature=related triffid
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triffid said:
...Not me talking just a cut and paste of a section of the article on k-knives.triffid
I was wondering. ;) :D Just kidding. The text is something unlike you usually write; that's true.
Post #1792 & 1793 were interesting. I know what to look for now, for sure.
In a couple of weeks, the Germans and the EU will go one way or another on the Greek debt problem. It's obvious the Greeks will default, but how the rest of Europe takes it, is waaaaay up in the air.
triffid: Make sure your gun works. And you have what you think is enough ammo.
--Lee
Hi Triffid,
Not sure how this show will be spun, but it looked like it would fit under this topic.
THRIVE: What On Earth Will It Take? 11/11/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OibqdwHyZxk
Keep safe.
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Hi Triffid,
Not sure how this show will be spun, but it looked like it would fit under this topic.
THRIVE: What On Earth Will It Take? 11/11/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OibqdwHyZxk
Keep safe.
@ DreamThinkBuild and @triffid,
I'll have the use of a better computer for YouTube.com viewing later. I'm curiously interested in this, whatever it is.
--Lee
Hi Lee,
It looks like an interesting show, the you tube link is the trailer for it. The main show is on 11/11/11.
Here is the link to the main site: http://thrivemovement.com/
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SYNOPSIS
THRIVE is an unconventional documentary that lifts the veil on what's REALLY going on in our world by following the money upstream -- uncovering the global consolidation of power in nearly every aspect of our lives. Weaving together breakthroughs in science, consciousness and activism, THRIVE offers real solutions, empowering us with unprecedented and bold strategies for reclaiming our lives and our future.
I found this video pretty interesting ;]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OibqdwHyZxk
Mags
Hi Magluvin,
I think we just double tapped that zombie. ;D Better safe than sorry.
woops.. Looks good though
Mags
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc4HGQHgeFE&NR=1 this is an amazing man who can show you attitude counts for a lot! Much more than you realize.triffid
Dream big and never give up.I do believe free energy is on it way.Even though there are big interests in the world to keep us enslaved.Our energy freedom is coming.triffid
I saw the trailer on "thrive".I do not understand why adults "lie" to their kids.It starts out with santa claus,easter bunny,tooth fairy.Adults tell the kids to share and behave.But when it comes to adults sharing and getting along they do not.Do as I say not as I do.I had heard that before in the workplace!I think WAR should be considered a relic of the past.twenty years after one"all is nearly forgiven". Those who went to canada to escape being drafted for the vietnam war were pardoned and allowed to return to this country.It took a lot of years but they were forgiven!No one much less old arthritic men like me should have the power to send young men to war and to certain death and probable injury.I went to college in 1970 so I just missed the 60's by a couple of years.I had to sign up for the draft when I was 18.Then to boot Richard Nixon was pardoned!We have too many lies,too many secret deals too many secret agendas.triffid
Listen to this little girl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmz6Rbpnu0&feature=related
I know how to make a torus out of old wire clothes hangers.It looked like to me from "thrive" one of the new type generators coming where you make the magnetic field buzz and use coils to pick up the energy.Move magnetic fields not mass as in the old style generators.triffid
Someone who seems to be able to help you recover your gold from your gold scrap for a fee or percentage?
http://geotechanalytical.weebly.com/index.html triffid
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...In a couple of weeks, the Germans and the EU will go one way or another on the Greek debt problem. It's obvious the Greeks will default, but how the rest of Europe takes it, is waaaaay up in the air.
triffid: Make sure your gun works. And you have what you think is enough ammo.
--Lee
http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2011/10/03/n_lashman_recession.cnnmoney/?source=cnn_bin&hpt=hp_bn5
Someone ought to get moving. It's coming.
(Where's the WilbyInebriated that
we know and love so well? He wanted to know when? I think it's now.)
I got paid. Will go looking for a knife. If I had to, I'd sneak up on someone, since I'm not combat trained as such. A knife isn't a gun, however.
Only to try and save my life.
--Lee
Obama says usa not better off than it was four years ago.unemploynment too high,highest since 1940.
http://gma.yahoo.com/president-obama--america--not-better-off--today-than-four-years-ago.html
The latest unemployment figures for the month of September will be released Friday, but the jobless rate is not expected to significantly improve. And next year, leading up to the fall elections, the unemployment rate is expected to climb to its highest level since 1940.
I bought a paring knife for $1.00
it will cut in a pinch.
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Since a double dip recession is coming and companies are doing so well at loading up on cash.I will load up on cash too!I just wish it could be 100 million I could get my hands on.triffid
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Obama says usa not better off than it was four years ago.unemploynment too high,highest since 1940.
http://gma.yahoo.com/president-obama--america--not-better-off--today-than-four-years-ago.html
The latest unemployment figures for the month of September will be released Friday, but the jobless rate is not expected to significantly improve. And next year, leading up to the fall elections, the unemployment rate is expected to climb to its highest level since 1940.
I agree. It'll be worse, sooner, though. Europe is a thorn in their own sides as well as ours. Then, there's the new devlopment of the 'Occupy Wall street' movement. It's spreading to other cities like Syria and Libya did. I don't know if it'll get ultra-violent like they did.
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I bought a paring knife for $1.00
it will cut in a pinch.
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I have one, too. Compared to more substantial knives, it's weak and tame. I'd like a longer one. I'm 6'2", so I'm looking for reach. ('Big_m' is part of my handle for a good reason.) ::)
A pawn shop will also do and it might be cheaper.
About stashing money, you can't eat a dollar bill. Cans and staple items are much more useful,
as long as you're careful about hiding it. That's what I meant about a large group acting like 'Night of the Living Dead' wannabes. If they know you have what they want, you need a machine gun and a helluva lot of ammo.
--Lee
I saw in the newspaper today a story on how the jobless and the desperate are crowding up on craigslist to try to find some work.That is what I have seen in St.Louis.North and south st.Louis people are trying to get odd jobs to make a little money.I know that right now cash is king.But when is a good time to unload cash?Other than right before the government makes it worthless.If you cant eat cash you can at least burn it in the fireplace for warmth.I saw that on a movie where an ice age was raging in the usa.Good point about being able to eat.More people should learn to grow food.Apt dwellers and everyone should focus on growing more food.A good cook is rarely unemployed.Unless they want to be.Anything to do with food might be a good area for young people to look into?triffid
I would just hate to see the banks two trillion in cash wiped out overnight by our government.Likewise on the big companys two trillion in cash sitting on the sidelines.Just think ,four trillion in cash wiped out to zero overnight by the stroke of a pen!!!.Hyperinflation has already happened in the usa twice!
United States
During the Revolutionary War, when the Continental Congress authorized the printing of paper currency called continental currency. The monthly inflation rate reached a peak of 47 percent in November 1779 (Bernholz 2003: 48). These notes depreciated rapidly, giving rise to the expression "not worth a continental."
A second close encounter occurred during the U.S. Civil War, between January 1861 and April 1865, the Lerner Commodity Price Index of leading cities in the eastern Confederacy states increased from 100 to over 9,000.[30] As the Civil War dragged on, the Confederate dollar had less and less value, until it was almost worthless by the last few months of the war. Similarly, the Union government inflated its greenbacks, with the monthly rate peaking at 40 percent in March 1864 (Bernholz 2003: 107).[31]
Here is the story on the second time in a century the german mark became worthless in 1946.
The Deutsche Mark
Following the fall of the Third Reich, the German economy lay in ruins. In order to prevent Western Germany from hyperinflation, excessive bartering, and a large black market, the Western Allies implemented a new currency called the Deutsche Mark. The Deutsche Mark would replace the previous German currency, Reichsmark and Rentenmark, which was worth nothing. Old currency could be exchanged at three different rates according to specific situations. One situation was for essential currency, such as wages, payment of rents etc., at a rate of one Deutsche Mark for one Reichsmark. The second situation was for the remainder of money in private non-banks credit balance. This came at a rate of one Deutsche Mark to ten Reichsmark. The third situation was for large sums of money. In this situation ten Reichsmark could be exchanged for 65 pfennig (100 pfennig equaled one Deutsche Mark). Also every citizen received 60 Deutsche Mark per capita allowance to help get back on track.
The introduction of the Deutsche Mark made the Soviets extremely mad, because they thought this was the Western Allies trying to gain control of Germany. After the Deutsche Mark hit the streets in West Germany the Soviets closed all roads, canals, and rail to Berlin, leading to the Berlin Blockade.
hyperinflation and a list of some of the countries it has hit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation
including the USA.triffid
North Korea, 1947â€"2009
Though the North Korean Won never technically failed, and is still the official currency of the reclusive communist nation, a 2009 revaluation showed the rest of the world rare cracks in the monolithic image Pyongyang presents. The government gave citizens seven days to turn in their old won for new won â€" with 1,000 of the old worth 10 of the new â€" but allowed a maximum exchange of 150,000 of the old won. That means each adult can exchange about US$740-worth of won. The revaluation and exchange cap wiped out the savings of many North Koreans, and reportedly caused unrest in parts of the country. According to a September 2009 BBC report, some department stores in Pyongyang even stopped accepting North Korean won, instead insisting upon payment in U.S. dollars or Japanese yen.
Note that here the savings of many a north korean was wiped out.triffid
That means each adult can exchange about US$740-worth of won. The revaluation and exchange cap wiped out the savings of many North Koreans.So if you were north korean and had $250,000 in won saved you could only keep $740.00 of it. Could it happen in the USA?Of course it could.In my own lifetime I have been told to lay down my life for my country.My country right or wrong is still my country.So now they want my savings too?When I was 18 it was my life and obedience that they wanted.If I live to be 91 I could cost SS a half million.I plan to live to be 150 if I can.triffid
you will know sometime is wrong when the US dollar has a monthly inflation rate of 40 percent or more.triffid
The most dangerous cities in the USA for 2011 and st.louis,mo is not on the list?
http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/americas-most-dangerous-cities-2011.html
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It’s commonly expected that crime will rise as economic conditions worsen, but that hasn’t been the case in the U.S. â€" violent crime has fallen for the past four years. In 2010, murder was down 4%, fell 5%, robbery dropped 10%, and aggravated assault fell 4%, according to the FBI. “There’s a complex series of forces at work behind these rates,†says Tom Blomberg, dean of the College of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State Univeristy. “The state of the economy, demographics, the number of young males at any given time, the rate of imprisonment and the number of police all factor in.â€
The nationwide drop in crime extends to several of our most dangerous cities, including the Memphis, Tenn., area, which comes in at No. 2 with 1,006 violent crimes per 100,000 residents, down from 1,146 the year before. “Many of [the bottom-most cities] are actually improving, it’s just that so are other cities at a higher rate,†says Wolfram, an intelligence analyst at iJET.
Chronic poverty likely plays a role in Memphis’ high crime rate â€" 19.1% of the residents of the metropolitan area were below the poverty line in 2010, making it the most impoverished large metro area in the country, according to Census Bureau data. But detailed record keeping also plays a part in why Memphis ranks so highly on our list: the city’s police department adopted a data-driven approach to policing in 2006 that relies on exhaustive and meticulous incident tracking. As a result, it may be recording crimes that in other cities would go unreported to the FBI.
The Springfield, Ill., metropolitan area ranks third on our list with 855 violent crimes per 100,000 residents in 2010. The Illinois state capital confounds analysts who try to interpret its relatively high crime rate. The unemployment rate was lower than the national average at 7% as of July so the economy wouldn’t seem to play a major role in crime. The area’s relatively young population â€" 66% of the city is under the age of 44 â€" may be a factor, as younger areas generally have higher rates of crime.
Despite a foundering economy and a stubborn unemployment rate, crime in the United States continues the general downward trend that began in the 1990s. Is it because incarceration rates remain high? Because it takes time for crime trends to change? Or because there are more police on the streets using more sophisticated, data-driven methods? Experts can’t say, but the trend extends even to Detroit, which saw a decrease in murders from 398 in 2009 to 345 in 2010.
The truth often hurts.7 rich people problems the rest of us don't have.http://www.funnyordie.com/slideshows/3c5fefba4e/7-rich-people-problems-we-are-the-99-99?rel=player#slide1
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=5l9UpptF5z4&NR=1 ron paul interview on ending the secrecy of the federal reserve. triffid
Another clear voice crying out in the desert,Alex jones.What he has to say is more disturbing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZtcn6HC0FA&feature=relmfu
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Lloyd’s of London ABANDONS
European banks!
“Banks could be taken down,â€
says Lloyd’s finance director.
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The reason? According to Lloyd’s, the banks are in danger of failing as Europe’s debt crisis continues to intensify.
The company’s Finance Director, Luke Savage, put it simply:
“If you’re worried the government itself might be at risk, then you’re certainly worried the banks could be taken down with them.â€
Which European governments is Lloyd’s talking about? They’re not saying.
But it IS interesting to note that Lloyd’s didn’t just withdraw its money from Greek banks; it withdrew its money from banks all over Europe!
One thing you can be sure of, though:
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The government debt crisis is making it harder and more expensive for banks to borrow money; the banks are passing those higher costs along to borrowers.
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Once again this is one of the 20 newsletter offers I get a month predicting that something terrible is going to happen but they can fix it for me if I only subscribe to their newsletter and do as they say.I did not check the price yet.But you can listen to Alex Jones for free on u-tube and he tells you what the elite 131 people and families have in store for the world.They are drying up the credit.Nobody can borrow money to the point the world and usa economy goes into a freefall.So lloyds of london is just another step in the process.Make everybody live in fear!triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 06, 2011, 06:50:56 AM
Once again this is one of the 20 newsletter offers I get a month predicting that something terrible is going to happen but they can fix it for me if I only subscribe to their newsletter and do as they say.
I think I said in this thread that there was an organization involving a financial analyst who predicts the same collapse I do. He has a multi-part YouTube Video presentation covering his
basic projections. (He'd like money for more specific recommendations.)
His answer? More buying of gold and speculating on the economy!!! No storing of food. Maybe he thinks it's not
really as bad as others
know it'll get.
The Wall St. protests gained students and union members on Wed in NYC. This movement is growing because people are pissed at what's happening to their lives! Rightly so!
--Lee
Yesterday Steve Jobs of Apple passed away.Today hes being honored all around the world.I heard today that the company Apple has more cash on hand than the us treasury.Also that his personal wealth was 7 billion.
I wonder if he ever knew of vitamin b-17?Something that could have saved him?I have another friend today who has breast cancer and I am trying to teach her about b-17.I am trying to get her to eat seeds containing b-17.triffid
Lee,I understand the frustration of constantly being told to buy gold as a solution to ones financial ills.I first saw it in the 1970's.With hindsight I never really had to buy it just get it out of dumpsters when it was scrap gold and store it somewhere until 2010.Process it and sell it.If I don't want to process it myself I could hire someone else to do it.Back in the 1980s I had no one to tell me the amounts of gold per lb of scrap like I do now.Today I have the internet to tell me that.You can still buy packs of cigs and bars of soap to use for barter
Some would say ammo too but I would stick with bars of soap.Cigs are bad for your health and ammo leads us down a dark path too.Cans of food could be used for barter too.But you are better off with a piece of ground somewhere raising your own food.You barter your food away then you go hungry too.triffid
Look at the u-tube clips of Alex Jones and he will tell you what kind of future the elite have planned for us.
The USA will be the policeman of the world.Your sons and daughters will be in the military.The USA will be bankrupted and this group of elites will come in to "save us".They caused the crisis then they will become our saviors only to tell us what to do.They will attempt to take away our 100 million guns.I remember the words of one mr.heston"Only when they can pry my cold dead hands off of my gun" can they have it.triffid
I think we have quite a while before we see inflation rates of 40% a month on the dollar.That would be hyperinflation.I know we have 20% unemployment right now.The great depression had 24% at its worst.It took a world war to bring us out of it.Gold is still bouncing around .In august it was $1884 an oz.then dropped to almost $1625 an oz.Silver fell too from 43 to about 30 an oz.Same time period.I think we will get our SS checks still for The USA to save face with the rest of the world.I just wish people would stop asking me for money.Today someone did ask me for a couple of bucks.I did not reply.So he didn't ask again.Then later someone else was going to ask me for money too.I just walked on by.triffid
I may have to become a hermit.If this money begging continues.triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 06, 2011, 03:26:06 PM
I may have to become a hermit.If this money begging continues.triffid
Those bums piss me off a lot!!!!!!!!! When I was on the streets in Oklahoma City, I didn't beg from anyone. I just depended on my luck to provide for what I needed. These S.F. bums are stupid! , crazy!
assholes!!!!Nobody has to starve in The City unless they don't give damn. And some don't.
Greece and New York City are becoming the same in protests. This will probably go on for some time.
--Lee
Some more bad news.Looks like to me someone made a killing in the stock market based on this news.Insiders who read the fine print in advance.Just this morning, for example, the European Central Bank announced that it would offer Europe’s giant failing banks some new emergency loans to tide them over. So the market rallied.
But when you read the fine print, you realize all
the new loans add up to a meager 40 billion euros!
That’s barely more than a penny â€" one miserable red cent â€" for every euro of debt owed by Europe’s weak-link PIIGS countries (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain.)
It’s a drop in the bucket that doesn’t even buy a pig in the poke!
The reality is that none â€" not ONE â€" of these half-baked rescue plans has made a whit difference. If anything, they’ve just made things a lot worse. So now it’s not just Greece that’s crashing. Now we also have Spain, Italy and France’s largest banks!
The bottom line is that Germany and France can’t afford to save entire countries and giant banks without trashing their own AAA credit ratings.
The only way out of this crisis is for Europe to take its medicine. That means the dreaded D-word â€" default. That also means big losses and multiple bank failures.
Lee,I would much rather someone asked for a couple of dollars instead of robbing me of it.True it ticked me off today.In a couple of cases I got talked out of 50 dollars.Sometimes I'm too soft.The guy this morning said he had met me before so I had to remember if this was the guy I gave 50 to one time?It turned out that he was not.But I still didn't give him any money.triffid
He was the guy who went to that ups job interview 3 am in the morning and found a roomfull of people.He is still jobless but owns a barber shop.Says he does not make enough from the barber shop so hes looking for a job.triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=IGTScCy-do0 A reveal of who is trying to rule the world.
triffid
Project bluebeam .A way to put fake 3d holographic pictures in the sky to make everyone believe a fake UFO invasion or fake second coming of christ.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPAYbbGLYlE&feature=related
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Dancing hologram girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvXw1fkLHM&feature=related
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Another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZg6t6WdtyE&feature=related
Makes me realize fake aliens could be here! triffid
Portable holographic computer.Check this out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhElGMB4xiU&feature=related triffid
A hologram drama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf_eXDPElh0&feature=related
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Dell transparent screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hkLD4mO1JM&feature=fvwp&NR=1
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Another video clip on the fake alien invasion coming.Seems the bilderberg club has figured out how to project giant 3d images into the sky.here is a test. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxkngzG41ZE&feature=related
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More on the project bluebeam. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyQv18_hiTs&feature=related
when this deception is occurring you may hear voices in your head.They have that technology already but have kept it secret.You are not going crazy.They can pinpoint a single person in the crowd of people and say things to him or her that no one else can hear.They can do this in two ways.They can use sound waves and Low frequency radio waves hence the name electronic.I do not know about two way communication.From them to you ,then from you to them?So if the Bilderberg Club have this already.Then we can be made to see things in the sky and hear things in our heads.Which is why I'm focused on this today.To warn the people here at overunity.com.And to enlighten myself.triffid
In spite of the title"America will collapse " there is a lot of good info on how to survive it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=NmTBnhOXufg
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Confessions of an economic hitman.He actually gives hope a better world could be coming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CofEbxtIxI&feature=relmfu
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Another clear voice crying out in the desert. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFlKJmE4gVE&feature=relmfu
Gerald Celente talks in great detail what is happening in the USA today.
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Gerald Celente again,this report was made in 2009. he tells us how at the end to come out of this recession.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nJ7LM3iyNg&feature=relmfu
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One more Gerald Celente video clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgJjr-kX7KI&feature=related
the word I kept hearing was " selfsustaining".triffid
In spite of what may be coming I hold out hope for the future with the space elevator. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVV0S9cNLKI triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXdorI3Mp40&feature=related
a cartoon for now but not always http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MegUVzFiqR4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJxhoJ8GUOU&feature=related European union could build the first space elevator? triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=3APa8-T-OsI
A concert in japan where some of the performers are holograms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw5fVBSsVVA
more of the same concert it looks like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goChPAcicZU
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Wall street riots in the news:The Wall Street protesters are finally getting the attention they have been seeking, it seems. Eric Cantor, the No. 2 Republican in the House, denounced the Occupy Wall Street protests Friday as "mobs," and Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, charged demonstrators with "trying to take away the jobs of people working in this city."
Cantor, the House majority leader and a Republican from Virginia, told a gathering of conservative activists in Washington that he's "increasingly concerned" by the "growing mobs" at the protests, which have spread to Los Angeles, Boston, Washington D.C., and other cities after starting several weeks ago on Wall Street.
Democrats are beginning to express support for the demonstrations, and Paul Krugman, the influential liberal columnist, suggests they could be the start of something big.The protesters have resisted issuing specific demands, but they have expressed anger at growing inequality and at the distorting influence of money--particularly money from the financial industry--on the political system.
Cantor's expression of alarm was echoed by Bloomberg. "You can't have it both ways," the mayor said during a radio appearance. "If you want jobs you have to assist companies and give them confidence to go and hire people."
Bloomberg spent most of his life as a Democrat, but he ran for mayor in 2001 as a Republican and has since become an independent. The founder of a media company focused on the financial industry, he has generally been a reliable backer of Wall Street.
"The protests that are trying to destroy the jobs of working people in this city aren't productive," Bloomberg said.
"If the jobs they are trying to get rid of in this city -- the people that work in finance, which is a big part of our economy -- go away, we're not going to have any money to pay our municipal employees or clean our parks or anything else."
The protests have since expanded to other U.S. cities from Tampa to Seattle, picking up support from unions eliciting the sympathy of some senior political and financial officials.
On Wednesday, about 5,000 people marched on New York's financial district, the biggest rally so far, swelled by nurses, transit workers and other union members. Dozens of people were arrested and police used pepper spray on some protesters.
Wall Street is the pillar of the New York state economy, making up 13 percent of tax contributions.
"The protests that are trying to destroy the jobs of working people in this city aren't productive," Bloomberg said. "At the same time I'm sympathetic to some of their complaints." "There are some people with legitimate complaints."
The protesters are angry about the 2008 Wall Street bailout that critics say let banks enjoy huge profits while average Americans suffered high unemployment and job insecurity.
In addition to the bailout, protesters have raged against corporate greed and influence over American life, the gap between rich and poor, and what they see as hapless, corrupt politicians.
Bloomberg's comments came a day after President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden acknowledged the frustration and anger of the protesters.
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has also said he understood the anger being felt by the protesters but had to balance that with the economic importance of Wall Street to the state.
(Reporting by Barbara Goldberg; Writing by Cynthia Johnston; Editing by Greg McCune)
WORLDS FIRST HOLOGRAPHIC MEETING. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFQ8h3wClbI
SOON TO BE IN EVERY HOME THEY SAID!Triffid
The dollar is coming to an end Alex Jones. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIJQTXxwqTo&feature=related
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More gems of wisdom from Ron Paul.Even though this was made in 2007. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=cziN3gt-hic triffid
14 days after the dollar dies.a look ahead?He is selling a book http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAfiN9bZsSc&feature=related triffid
hes talking aboutcanned goods.Most canned goods except cranberry sauce will last about 30 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVVeM5pnCkc&feature=related triffid
Food storage on a budget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4XJhIsPvXM&feature=fvwrel triffid
Lee, this guy came up with a survival kit for less than $20.00 from walmart.He took care of shelter for about $5.00 and lighting fires for less than $2.00.Of the greatest interest to you maybe is the knife he buys for $6.97.I know you are interested in protection too.This knife may not serve that purpose? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H1oT5n3Np8&feature=related Anyway please watch and tell me what you think?About the knife that is.triffid
Here is a video clip on putting together another survival kit from the dollar store for 5-10 dollars plus some interesting way to store some duct tape. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02YrfwsiVW4&feature=related
Again another knife is used in this kit.SMALL KNIFE. they do have their uses! triffid
How to be a prepper for $1.00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0QUP9uDt84&feature=related
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5 prepper items or skills most over looked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8ICEEWJbzY&feature=related
I liked the idea of having a second pair of boots on hand and a deck of playing cards.Tubes of orajel could be used for barter with someone who has a toothache.triffid
More prepper items overlooked.Pencils have no expiration date.He also likes large bottles of dishwashing soap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GQJ4H5bDhc&feature=related
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Need to get away cheap? gas mopeds get 90mpg. http://www.scooterdepot.us/Moped-Scooters-p-1-c-31.html?gclid=CJX19qav2qsCFYfsKgodtxr-HA triffid
its my birthday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR0v0i63PQ4
lock n load
New treasure found on the moon. http://news.yahoo.com/titanium-treasure-found-moon-135109582.html
Now they are talking about mining colonies on the moon.We need that space elevator!triffid
http://news.yahoo.com/vindicated-ridiculed-israeli-scientist-wins-nobel-183256852.html triffid
this guy could have been a billionaire. http://news.yahoo.com/apple-billionaire-could-145426659.html
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http://news.yahoo.com/bad-us-falls-recession-163657631.html how bad can it get if us falls into recession?
But recessions come in many varieties, and most are less scary than the last one. A review of past ones shows that:
â€" Profit drops range widely. From peak to trough, profits at S&P 500 companies, excluding financial firms, fell an average 32 percent in the past five recessions, according to Adam Parker, U.S. equity strategist at Morgan Stanley. He excludes financial firms because their record write-offs in the last recession turned S&P profits into losses, and would exaggerate the drop at the average company in the index.
The biggest fall in profits: 57 percent from the peak before the 2001 dot-com recession. Profits during the 1981-82 recession fell 17 percent.
â€" Recessions usually last less than a year. A recession that began in January 1980 was over in six months. The Great Recession that ended June 2009 lasted 18 months, the longest since the Great Depression. The 11 recessions since World War II averaged 11 months.
â€" Stock investors can get clobbered, but not always. Bear markets that accompany recessions have pulled stocks down an average 38 percent in the last five downturns, based on data from Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at Standard & Poor's. From their October 2007 peak before the last recession, stocks fell 57 percent. But in the bear market during the recession that began in July 1990, they fell only 20 percent.
â€" By the time the economy falls into recession, much of the damage to stocks is usually over. The stock market famously looks forward six to nine months, and that's mostly true on the cusp of downturns, too. Stocks had been dropping for a year by the time the 2001 recession began. That's worth remembering if another recession is coming. The S&P 500 is already down 15 percent from its recent peak in April.
I was just wondering when was it that man lost the ability to make vitamin c in his body?It appears that the line of mammals leading up to man may never have had it?mineral-deficient fresh-waters of estuaries. Some biologists suggested that many vertebrates had developed their metabolic adaptive strategies in estuary environment.[22] In this theory, some 400â€"300 mya, when living plants and animals first began the move from the sea to rivers and land, environmental iodine deficiency was a challenge to the evolution of terrestrial life.[23] In plants, animals and fishes, the terrestrial diet became deficient in many essential antioxidant marine micronutrients, including iodine, selenium, zinc, copper, manganese, iron, etc. Freshwater algae and terrestrial plants, in replacement of marine antioxidants, slowly optimized the production of other endogenous antioxidants such as ascorbic acid, polyphenols, carotenoids, tocopherols etc., some of which became essential “vitamins†in the diet of terrestrial animals (vitamins C, A, E, etc.).
Ascorbic acid or vitamin C is a common enzymatic co-factor in mammals used in the synthesis of collagen. Ascorbate is a powerful reducing agent capable of rapidly scavenging a number of reactive oxygen species (ROS). Freshwater teleost fishes also require dietary vitamin C in their diet or they will get scurvy. The most widely recognized symptoms of vitamin C deficiency in fishes are scoliosis, lordosis and dark skin coloration. Freshwater salmonids also show impaired collagen formation, internal/fin hemorrhage, spinal curvature and increased mortality. If these fishes are housed in seawater with algae and phytoplankton, then vitamin supplementation seems to be less important, it is presumed because of the availability of other, more ancient, antioxidants in natural marine environment.[24]
Some scientists have suggested that loss of the vitamin C biosynthesis pathway may have played a role in the theory of rapid evolutionary changes, leading to hominids and the emergence of human beings.[25][26][27] However, another theory based on the theory of evolution is that the loss of ability to make vitamin C in simians may have occurred much farther back in evolutionary history than the emergence of humans or even apes, since it evidently occurred rather soon after the appearance of the first primates, yet sometime after the split of early primates into its two major suborders haplorrhini (which cannot make vitamin C) and its sister suborder of non-tarsier prosimians, the strepsirrhini ("wet-nosed" primates), which retained the ability to make vitamin C.[28] According to molecular clock dating, these two suborder primate branches parted ways about 63 to 60 Mya[29] Approximately three to five million years later (58 Mya), only a short time afterward from an evolutionary perspective, the infraorder Tarsiiformes, whose only remaining family is that of the tarsier (Tarsiidae), branched off from the other haplorrhines.[30][31] Since tarsiers also cannot make vitamin C, this implies the mutation had already occurred, and thus must have occurred between these two marker points (63 to 58 Mya).
It has been noted that the loss of the ability to synthesize ascorbate strikingly parallels the inability to break down uric acid, also a characteristic of primates. Uric acid and ascorbate are both strong reducing agents. This has led to the suggestion that, in higher primates, uric acid has taken over some of the functions of ascorbate.[32]
Since tarsiers also cannot make vitamin C, this implies the mutation had already occurred, and thus must have occurred between these two marker points (63 to 58 Mya).So 58 to 63 million years ago?Right after the dinosaurs went extinct! Is there a connection?triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=-dd4HqNOA4U more on the holographic performers in japan. triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=ODmRIOfeCfg these two clips have english subtitles.
No english but sounded nice anyway. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17V1FPCy77c&feature=fvwrel
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Quote from: triffid on October 10, 2011, 03:11:36 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/bad-us-falls-recession-163657631.html how bad can it get if us falls into recession?
triffid,
Europe is worse off financially than we are, but I think they're finally trying to get their act together. Still, the Greeks have a "I-want-it-all-now" mindset and they're blaming the Govt for all their problems as shared by them all.
And then there's N. Africa and the Middle East. Those economies are stagnating as civil strife get worse and worse. That makes Europe even more fragile.
And there's the growing "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrations.
If! the authorities act like the Syrians are now, the whole scenario goes downhill fast.
A political newspaper cartoon I saw when I was about 15 was never forgotten by me:
A man told another next to him when he saw Native Americans, Blacks, Asians, Latinos, poor Whites, and others marching, he said to the other,
"The trouble is, they're all getting into the same marching step." It's true today like it was in the early 60's. Is it any wonder? "Occupy Wall Street" for the 21st Century.
triffid,
I can get the Ka-Bar combat knife at a surplus store for $70.00 but if I go to the S.F. Chinatown, they have Chinese, stainless steel knockoff knives for 15.00-25.00, depending on exact style.
--Lee
With english http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=5AOpjKnONzY
I got interested in these holographic performers because of project bluebeam Involves the use of holograms to make people believe a fake alien invasion is happening.I would like to see bugs bunny and daffy duck on stage as holographic performers.Triffid
Some tech details on projecting a 3d image.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYJu7KSqQM&feature=related
Maybe for halloween?triffid
If you go wide screen with this you can see better the screen they set up on stage to project these 3 d images on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=DSvfpd_Qrlw triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 10, 2011, 11:47:25 PM
With english http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=5AOpjKnONzY
I got interested in these holographic performers because of project bluebeam Involves the use of holograms to make people believe a fake alien invasion is happening.I would like to see bugs bunny and daffy duck on stage as holographic performers.Triffid
do you really think anyone would believe this if it did happen knowing the technology?
you would have to be a complete dunce to be fooled by it.
wait, sorry, I can think of a few that would.
I am not annoyed at the conspiracies, just stupid people. I only like smart people. dumb people are not on my list to praise.
nature did intend retards to die on a natural term. yet, so many are saved. lets extend the retardation by having children with them.
morons.
People are so easily misled.It just takes a couple of special jokes to demonstate that.Most americans would still be surprised to know how dirty the USA government has been in Iraq and Iran.Just listen to my link to confessions of a economic hitman.
He tells it pretty well Saddem would not play ball with us so they sent in assassins to kill him but his security was so good with all the doubles he had we had to invade his country once again just to get him killed.
We kill innocent people over there almost daily.Opps sorry about that it was an accident or friendly fire.
Either kills you just dead as intentional fire.With the holograms I figured most people would not have kept with the newer developments in the field.But now I realize a lot of UFO reports where orbs are seen flying around merging into each other and just dissapearing.May be hologram projections on a scale we never saw before.Very ,very big projections.I am here to enlighten myself as well as others.triffid
In 1991 I visited one of my brothers in Dallas,texas.He took me to a video arcade and pointed out one game to me.In the middle of the box a three inch high virtual image of a girl walked out and introduced the game.I thought to myself I cant wait to get one home.Virtual images are not holograms.Examples include" amazing floating coin". which I have seen advertized for sale.We had some amazing tech back then.Now they make you hear voices in your head??? I heard about that a while back.Now they were saying its two way?Think about all the college exams you could cheat on?Its a cold cruel world we live in.But its still a beautiful world.When china or japan gets a space elevator going that country will be the gateway to space for the whole world.The americans will be too busy watching whos next on "American Idle".We could have been a contender!!!triffid
http://theintelhub.com/2011/10/10/whos-covering-up-el-hierros-quakes/
The story of this volcano is that if it blows, a portion of the mountain will fall in the ocean and create a tsunami that will hit the whole east coast of N and S America. Possibilities of 300 ft high at the coast and 15 miles long from start to finish.
I gota git out of FL. =0
Mags
Oh yeah, if it happens, we have 8 hours. 8
Mags
If it blows I lose a few family members out there.South Carolina way.Triffid
better start building an ark... ;)
I hope that thing never blows.Calif been waiting for their big earthquake for many years.St.Louis is due one too.They had one already while I was here .I got woke up about three am for some unknown reason,found out hours later we had a small quake.triffid
"Science is a collaborative enterprise, spanning the generations. When it permits us to see the far side of some new horizon, we remember those who prepared the way - seeing for them also." -Carl Sagan
The company leading the way in holographic presentation http://www.musion.co.uk/Cisco_TelePresence.html
triffid
A blackeyed peas presentation with two holographic dancers.
http://www.musion.co.uk/index.html
The wave of the future.Telepresence will be eveywhere in 20 years!
Video courtesy of TF1 France
Musion Eyeliner is a high definition 3D holographic video projection system allowing a spectacular 3-dimensional moving life-size hologram to appear within a live stage setting using Peppers Ghost technology. Eyeliner brings dramatic, previously unseen 21st century video film effects to live events, including audiovisual artistic performances, conference or trade show presentations, retail displays and large-scale digital signage.
Musion Eyeliner uses a specially developed foil that reflects images from high definition video projectors, making it possible to produce virtual holographic images of variable sizes and incredible clarity, using industry standard software. Infinitely configurable, the virtual hologram appears within a stage set.
http://vimeo.com/28607566
Pixie Lott Hologram Performance - Red or Black Show? (Part 1)
triffid
I think we all have agreed the economy is plain crap right now.Without the space elevator coming and telepresence coming.I would see no hope for improvement triffid
Quote from: Magluvin on October 11, 2011, 12:57:26 PM
http://theintelhub.com/2011/10/10/whos-covering-up-el-hierros-quakes/
The story of this volcano is that if it blows, a portion of the mountain will fall in the ocean and create a tsunami that will hit the whole east coast of N and S America. Possibilities of 300 ft high at the coast and 15 miles long from start to finish.
I gota git out of FL. =0
Mags
There was a cable TV special on the volcano. And you're right: Damage would be, say, $20-50 trillion, with several million deaths. The coast can't be evacuated fast enough. Way
! too many people.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on October 11, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
I hope that thing never blows.Calif been waiting for their big earthquake for many years.St.Louis is due one too.They had one already while I was here .I got woke up about three am for some unknown reason,found out hours later we had a small quake.triffid
Unfortunately, Yellowstone is even more dangerous and closer to us, too. WilbyInebriated's 'ark' still wouldn't do any good if he's an American like we are. Everyone will have 'had it.'
--Lee
The sky could fall on top of our little heads too.No sense in worrying too much about what could happen?
Driving has changed a lot in the last 30 years.More danger from driving than anything else mentioned here.
I nearly got run off the road two or three times in st.Louis.Since feb.2011.Got my birth certificate gonna get my gun next week.triffid
High Point 380.Cost about $179 and a clip of ammo about $20.00.triffid
Then I will get a rifle too haven't made up my mind yet on type.Something for hunting deer I guess.Need to eat sometimes?triffid
Saw wild turkeys last weekend.I was about 50 miles from st.Louis.triffid
So my new hobby is hunting!!!gonna get me a gator!triffid
When I was in my other house I was trapping the energy from a light bulb that was being wasted and turning it back into electricity to store in small batteries.(Double a's).At the same time I made some observations.Whenever I waved my hands around it affected the flow of light from the light bulb to the small solar panel.So I could vary the current coming out of the solar panel by varying the light reaching it.ie moving my hands around it.So a holographic image of me waving my hands around could control machinery at a remote destination.Very Remote!!!Think MOON remote.triffid
Being on the moon as a holographic image operating mining equipment would be a blast! No spacesuites to buy if you operate the equipment from here on earth.If your piece of machinery fell over or blew up --no phyiscal harm to your person.In this manner mans intelligence could be transmitted to a remote area even if his body couldn't.triffid
So a moon base could be built using holographic images of people whose eyeballs and minds are directly involved with the project.Send the machines that could be controlled by holographic images to the moon first.Use natural materials to build domes with,etc.triffid
Build a moon base in complete safety then once its ready send people.triffid
I think interstellar travel will happen some day, the problem is keeping all the nut cases from coming along for the ride. ::)
Quote from: triffid on October 15, 2011, 06:35:06 AM
When I was in my other house I was trapping the energy from a light bulb that was being wasted and turning it back into electricity to store in small batteries.(Double a's).At the same time I made some observations.Whenever I waved my hands around it affected the flow of light from the light bulb to the small solar panel.So I could vary the current coming out of the solar panel by varying the light reaching it.ie moving my hands around it.So a holographic image of me waving my hands around could control machinery at a remote destination.Very Remote!!!Think MOON remote.triffid
did you know that only 3 grams of Uranium has 24 kilotons of energy in it in a nuclear explosion, times that by 3 if it is an anti-matter reaction, 72 kilotons.
It's a beautiful day, don't let it get away!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcgaoZiwXvI
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on October 15, 2011, 09:33:53 AM
I think interstellar travel will happen some day, the problem is keeping all the nut cases from coming along for the ride. ::)
I live in a filthy slum full of 'nut cases' now. I agree with you.
More than a little bit. ::) >:(
Someone has to try and circumvent the lightspeed barrier and go significantly faster than 186,000 MPS. My beard would grow longer than I am tall while I wait to arrive at an unknown planet which may or may not be habitable, assuming I don't run out of food, water and air in the meantime.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on October 14, 2011, 01:00:03 PM
I think we all have agreed the economy is plain crap right now.
Excellent. I said that when I started this thread about 2 yrs ago.
"No, it will worsen." That's why it's bold at the top of Page 1. That's the software's indication of my vote, personally.
Over 100,000 viewed hits for this thread. Still going strong.
These "Occupy" protest worldwide might get out of hand faster than in this country if the Govts there are fearful or just plain repressive.
--Lee
This recession will not go away.Too many jobs have left our shores.The middle class is not earning enough money to buy products that the companies are still making.70% of the us economy was the spending the public did.So the us economy will continue to freefall and the median incomes of the middleclass will continue to fall and fall and fall.I see no hope of a recovery anymore.This country now belongs to the bankers.This century and the last one belongs to them.I did get good news on S.S.In dec,2010 it was doing ok,better than I thought.triffid
I got a new book today on offshore banking"Treasure Islands" by Nicholas Shaxson I wish I had a scanner.Its a real eyeopener.Capital no longer seeks higher returns on investment It seeks safety,secrecy,tax evasion and avoidance.triffid
The island of manhatten and the island of London are main offshore havens for the very rich to park their money.There are more havens(60) around the world but London is where most of the damage was done to the American economy.In Britain no banker ever goes to jail!Its almost that way here in the usa.When bankers can create the crisis, get bailed out by the american taxpayers,never go to jail,receive big fat bonuses on top of it.Then something is very, very wrong with the system.I recommend the book as a good read but you will be shocked at what you will learn.You will learn just how helpless you are.The USA is in a downward race to being a third world country.Better look to China as a world leader.They are building up their country whereas ours is aging ,roads and bridges being closed down or falling apart.We will live I guess but we are slowly(I hope its slow) falling into a lower standard of living.triffid
When all the wealthy want to do is make money,avoid all taxes and regulations and maintain total secrecy.
The middle class is left to foot all the bills for society,for the roads and schools.They are thumbing up their noses at the rest of us.Two out of three american corporations no longer pay any taxes on income,In fact sometimes they get rebates in the millions of dollars.Over half of the world trade is routed through tax havens.The rampant practices that precipitated the latest financial crisis can be traced back to Wallstreets offshore finanical practices.Tell your kids to become bankers.They might be able to eat at least.triffid
No wonder people are rioting.triffid
Marches in the United States remained largely nonconfrontational, although dozens of people were arrested in New York when police moved to contain overflowing crowds or keep them off private property. Two police officers in New York City were injured and had to be hospitalized.
In Times Square, thousands of demonstrators mixed with gawkers, Broadway showgoers, tourists and police to create a chaotic scene in the midst of Manhattan.
"Banks got bailed out, we got sold out!" protesters chanted from within police barricades. Police, some in riot gear and mounted on horses, tried to push them out of the square and onto the sidewalks in an attempt to funnel the crowds away.
Sandra Fox, 69, of Baton Rouge, La., stood, confused, on 46th Street with a ticket for "Anything Goes" in her hand as riot police pushed a knot of about 200 shouting protesters toward her.
"I think it's horrible what they're doing," she said of the protesters. "These people need to go get jobs."
The Times Square rally lasted several hours before the crowd dispersed. Over the course of what was billed as "a global day of protest," city police arrested more than 80 people in demonstrations at Times Square, Washington Square Park and a nearby Citibank bank branch. Police cited violations such as wearing masks, criminal trespass, and refusing to leave the park at midnight when police warned them it was closed.
Police spokesman Paul Browne said one of the police officers hospitalized suffered a head injury, the other a foot injury. Two dozen were arrested when demonstrators entered the Citibank bank branch and refused to leave, police said.
Citibank said in a statement that police asked the branch to close until the protesters could be taken away. "One person asked to close an account and was accommodated," Citibank said.
Earlier in the day, as many as 1,000 demonstrators paraded to a Chase bank branch, banging drums, blowing horns and carrying signs decrying corporate greed. A few protesters went inside the bank to close their accounts, but the group didn't stop other customers from getting inside or seek to blockade the business.
Lily Paulina of Brooklyn said she was taking her money out because she was upset that JPMorgan Chase was making billions, while its customers struggled with bank fees and home foreclosures.
"Chase bank is making tons of money off of everyone ... while people in the working class are fighting just to keep a living wage in their neighborhood," the 29-year-old United Auto Workers organizer said.
Police told the marchers to stay on the sidewalk, and the demonstration seemed fairly orderly as it wound through downtown streets.
Sergio Jimenez, 25, said he quit his job in Texas to come to New York to protest. He participated in an anti-war march to mark the 10th anniversary of the Afghanistan War.
"These wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were all based on lies," Jimenez said. "And if we're such an intelligent country, we should figure out other ways to respond to terror, instead of with terror."
Throughout the country â€" from about 50 people in Jackson, Miss., to some 2,000 in Pittsburgh â€" the protest gained momentum.
Nearly 1,500 protesters gathered for a march past banks in downtown Orlando, Fla. Hundreds marched on a Key Bank branch in Anchorage, and declared it be foreclosed. In Colorado, about 1,000 people rallied in downtown Denver to support Occupy Wall Street. Nearly 200 people spent a cold night in tents in Grand Circus Park in Detroit, donning gloves, scarves and heavy coats to keep warm. Helen Stockton, a 34-year-old certified midwife from Ypsilanti, said they planned to remain there "as long as it takes to effect change."
"It's easy to ignore us," Stockton said. Then she referred to the financial institutions, saying, "But we are not going to ignore them. Every shiver in our bones reminds us of why we are here."
Hundreds more converged near the Michigan's Capitol in Lansing with the same message, the Lansing State Journal reported.
Rallies drew young and old, laborers and retirees. In Pittsburgh, marchers included parents with children in strollers. The peaceful crowd stretched for two or three blocks.
"I see our members losing jobs. People are angry," said Janet Hill, 49, who works for the United Steelworkers, which she said hosted a sign-making event before the march.
Retired teacher Albert Siemsen said at a demonstration in Milwaukee that he'd grown angry watching school funding get cut at the same time banks and corporations gained more influence in government. The 81-year-old wants to see tighter Wall Street regulation.
Around him, protesters held signs reading: "Keep your corporate hands off my government," and "Mr. Obama, Tear Down That Wall Street."
In Massachusetts, Gov. Deval Patrick visited protesters in Boston's Dewey Square for the first time. He said after walking through the camp that he better understands the range of views and was sympathetic to concerns about unemployment, health care and the influence of money in politics.
The Rev. Al Sharpton led a march in Washington that was not affiliated with the Occupy movement but shared similar goals. His rally was aimed at drumming up support for President Barack Obama's jobs plan. Thousands of demonstrators packed the lawn in the shadow of the Washington Monument to hear labor, education and civil rights leaders speak.
Hundreds protested in the heart of Toronto's financial district. Some announced plans to camp out indefinitely in St. James Park. Protests were also held in other cities across Canada from Halifax, Nova Scotia, to Vancouver, British Columbia.
Overseas, tens of thousands nicknamed "the indignant" marched in cities across Europe, as the protests that began in New York linked up with long-running demonstrations against government cost-cutting and failed financial policies in Europe. Protesters also turned out in Australia and Asia.
In the violence that broke out in Rome, police fired tear gas and water cannons at the protesters who broke away from the main demonstration, smashing shop and bank windows, torching cars and hurling bottles.
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Associated Press writers Kevin Begos in Pittsburgh, Eric Tucker in Washington, Jay Lindsay in Boston, Corey Williams in Detroit, Dinesh Ramde in Milwaukee and Jack Elliott Jr. in Jackson, Miss., Charmaine Noronha in Toronto, and Colleen Long, David B. Caruso and AP Radio correspondent Martin Di Caro in New York contributed to this report.
"Keep your corporate hands off my government," and "Mr. Obama, Tear Down That Wall Street."The bankers have too much power in our modern ,enslaved society.They are above government regulation.The public does not know this yet.Their gain in power started about 1850.With starts and stops their gain of power has been pretty steady.Most of it secret shoved under the carpet.Those who want to look can find some information but no one book has it all.If the bankers get regulated in new york they merely run to the "city of london".Where they can do offshore banking practices without regulations.No banker in Britain has ever gone to jail for what he did as a banker.As long as these safe havens exist we will not have our government back.There are 60 of them including Manhatten Island on our own shores.Manhatten island is offshore for the rest of the world.So you can park your millions without worry in manhatten if you are a foreigner.triffid
Our government is not listening to the people.It has been hijacked by special interests(bankers) for a long time.Get out of Iraq,No way! We haven't made enough money yet for our good old boys!To hell with the taxpayers of america.To hell with the people.Let them eat cake.triffid
Is there a solution?I frankly don't know.When a car is broken beyond repair its usually scrapped.Melted down to make new products.Our system today is totally broken.I see some serious scrapping of the system ahead.When people who you don't know and have never elected are in charge of your life.Can you be the person you want to be?Is it even possible that you can lead the life you want?These people ARE ABOVE THE LAW.They make and break governments. They are dismantling ours in front of our very eyes.triffid
Welcome to my world where squatters stoled and torn apart my dads workshop of forty years.Sold everything metal for scrap prices.Now you know how I felt.triffid
Can you say "America, the land of outsourcing". Guess we have to learn all over how to make our own stuff again.
thay
Learn how to grow food or become a banker.thats your choice.triffid
Okay, honestly. who here is on medication to prevent and or cure a mental illness of some sort? I bet you none of you will admit it. although I can tell quite well who is on or is lacking medication and who is normal.
Quote from: triffid on October 16, 2011, 10:00:41 PM
Learn how to grow food or become a banker.thats your choice.triffid
as far as your statement, I have and will always be a survivalist, I live in the High Sierra's, I live with bears and mountain lions and bob cat and deer and so forth. I might be a skeptic but I am no fool when it comes to survival. I live with constant power outages in the winter for up to 3 weeks at a time and I am 50 miles away from any major town. I go shopping for food once a month to circumvent what I can't grow in time to feed my family before the winter sets in. you can't grow shit in winter here. the last of the winter snow storms brought 18 inches of snow and that is late season.
I had quite a bit of hope until I found out just how broken our system is.I thought things could get better but I have no control over that just as I had no control over being born a boy or a girl.My squatter story took a rather Bizzare turn today As I found out today the lady taking care of my mom allowed them to live in her house with her for five months before we met them.I found police records stating the man had been served with a protective order on 3/29/2010 at my moms address and my brother had let them in on 8/2010.To help take care of my mom.Thats about 5 months later.She had told my brother she was seeing strange people in her house but he thought she was seeing things.There were times when she saw my dead father out in the yard I got my mo.Id today.Soon I will get my gun.I don't know where those squatters are but I know where that cleaning lady is.And where she works.triffid
I will tell her coworkers what she did.Then see how long she keeps her job.triffid
To onthecuttingedge2005,I wish I could spend some time learning things from you.I think I will see a slow slow decline in the quality of life around me.St.Louis has been harder hit than Dallas,texas where I spent the last 12 years at.But I have my dads house free and clear here also another one free and clear thats in my name.I will be able to grow some things there.I also get SS everymonth now.I love the internet and I love to read.I have time for both pasttimes.Plus I started hoarding scrap gold again.I got about $130 worth for $13.00.If it goes to $3000/oz my pile increases in value.If I can get a ton of scrap I will have about 50 grand at todays prices.triffid
for anyone who wants scrap gold http://www.goldrefiningforum.com/ will get you started.
Quote from: triffid on October 16, 2011, 01:42:09 AM
No wonder people are rioting.triffid
In regard to Reply #1928 & #1929:
There's a "Occupy San Francisco" demonstration downtown at the Ferry Building(famous landmark) in an urban park next to the beginning of Market St.(equally famous for the street cars).
They've been there for about a week and it looks like the slum where I live.
But, the cops let them sleep out under the sky legally. The thing is...the cops will eventually lose their patience and decide to do something to get rid of them. (They hassle the bums all the time where I live.)
Then, too, San Franciscans like me know that people in The City are calm and laid-back until they're pushed around or told what to do by stupid politicians. Then the crap hits the fan. With all the lesbians in the Castro district and just downhill from there, the demonstration will flash to "mob rule" if a whole lot of them show up to prove the cops aren't good enough the think they're God.
Never. Accost. A. Feminist. In. This. Town.Bad idea!!
The famous Compton's Cafeteria Riot in 1966 put the Gay Civil Rights on the S.F. map. Because
I live in this town; I have no choice but to live with the environment here. I predict, as people become more pissed at the govt/industry power grab underway now, a real ugly situation could be like Compton's, but with left-wing/liberal/unemployed/starving people taking matters into their own hands.
--Lee
Im fighting the urge to take matters in my own hands too.I am sure that when I do it will be my last day on earth.There about six people involved with my situation.So six murders in one day.The cleaning lady who kept the house clean and assisted my stepmother with her baths was allowing two street people to live in my dads house with my stepmother while she was still alive.When she told my brother that strange people were in the house with her he thought she was seeing things.When my brother came over to check on mom which was almost daily she would hide the two future squatters from him.Which was easy because he would call ahead to the house phone.I guess about march,2010 one of the three came up with a plan to try to steal this house from the family.There is some missinformation running around here.I guess a long time ago you could squat for a year in mo and claim someones house.My sisterinlaw thought that and now the squatters actions indicate that they thought it too.Im a little more current on my information its ten years without any legal action in mo.Since there were two of them they could divide that in half to 5 years.
I was the only one in the family to stand up to them,to take them to court and to kick them out.If I had not done that they would still be here in this house refusing to get out.And the woman who brought them here in the first place is nearby.About three miles away.What I found on public records yesterday was that the police had served the young man a protective order at my dads house about 6:45 in the evening
3/29/2010.Five months before anyone in my family had met them.You get served where you are living.So he was living here.Kept hidden from my brother.So I found proof they had lived in the house five months longer than we had known.So that was a year and 3 months.Not 11 months as I had thought.Before they left they tore this house up.triffid
In the same way my dads house was hijacked so our country has been hijacked.By big corporations who buy the senators and congressmen in general to enact the laws they want.To give the rich the tax breaks they want and to hell with the voters you represent.Congress has ignored the will of the people and allowed too many jobs to leave this country.Since 2000 42,000 factories have closed and gone overseas to capture the 50 cent an hour labor market and to sell those same products back here in the USA.Its been happening for forty years or longer.Since dec,1999 there have been no new net jobs.All the new jobs were in the government sector not manufacturing.With offshore banking in the city of london there are no regulations no inspectors.USA policies in 1956 brought about the formal collaspe of the british empire.Within a decade,an empire that ruled over 700 million foreigners at the end of world war two shrank to just five million.They are just returning the favor.triffid
Its called payback!triffid
Sell the house and go back to Texas. Cut your loses and live to tell another day. Life is too short to deal with this scum.
That being said, if you do exact revenge, stop posting about it here and do it right. Loose lips sinks ships.
Good advice.Thanks.Will follow it .triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t0g8GIUADM&feature=related More on this amazing young man. triffid
WASHINGTON (AP) â€" Some 55 million Social Security recipients will get a 3.6 percent increase in benefits next year, their first raise since 2009, the government announced Wednesday.
The increase, which starts in January, is tied to a measure of inflation released Wednesday morning.
About 8 million people who receive Supplemental Security Income will also receive the 3.6 percent cost-of-living adjustment, or COLA, meaning the announcement will affect about one in five U.S. residents.
There was no COLA in 2010 or 2011 because inflation was too low. Those were the first two years without a COLA since automatic increases were adopted in 1975.
Monthly Social Security payments average $1,082, or about $13,000 a year. A 3.6 percent increase will amount to about $39 a month, or just over $467 a year, on average.
Advocates for seniors said the raise will provide a much-needed boost to the millions of retirees and disabled people who have seen retirement accounts dwindle and home values drop during the economic downturn. Economists say the increase should provide a modest boost to consumer spending, which should help the economy.
Still, many seniors feel like they have been falling behind.
Nancy Altman, co-chair of the Strengthen Social Security Campaign, said she is pleased Social Security recipients will get a raise next year. But, she added, "The COLA is still not enough to keep up with health care costs."
"Despite the absence of a Social Security COLA, over the last two years out-of-pocket health care costs rose 14.1 percent for seniors and people with disabilities, effectively reducing the value of Social Security benefits," Altman said.
Some of the increase in January will be lost to higher Medicare premiums, which are deducted from Social Security payments. Medicare Part B premiums for 2012 are expected to be announced next week, and the trustees who oversee the program are projecting an increase.
Most retirees rely on Social Security for a majority of their income, according to the Social Security Administration. Many rely on it for more than 90 percent of their income.
"For people at that income level every dollar makes a difference, particularly coming in this economic downtown," said David Certner, legislative policy director for AARP. "None of them feel as if their cost of living was not increasing in the last couple of years."
Federal law requires the program to base annual payment increases on the Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers (CPI-W). Officials compare inflation in the third quarter of each year â€" the months of July, August and September â€" with the same months in the previous year.
If consumer prices increase from year to year, Social Security recipients automatically get higher payments, starting the following January. If price changes are negative, the payments stay unchanged.
Social Security payments increased by 5.8 percent in 2009, the largest increase in 27 years, after energy prices spiked in 2008. But energy prices quickly dropped and home prices became soft in markets across the country, contributing to lower inflation in the past two years.
As a result, Social Security recipients got an increase that was far larger than actual overall inflation. However, they can't get another increase until consumer prices exceed the levels measured in 2008. Wednesday's announcement shows that prices have exceeded those measured in 2008, said Polina Vlasenko, an economist at the American Institute for Economic Research, based in Great Barrington, Mass.
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Associated Press reporter Chris Rugaber contributed to this report.
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Many retirees rely on SS for over 90% of their income.How scary is that?triffid
As a result, Social Security recipients got an increase that was far larger than actual overall inflation. However, they can't get another increase until consumer prices exceed the levels measured in 2008. Wednesday's announcement shows that prices have exceeded those measured in 2008, said Polina Vlasenko, an economist at the American Institute for Economic Research, based in Great Barrington, Mass.
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Associated Press reporter Chris Rugaber contributed to this report.
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This cartoon predicted the future fifty years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB6p5QPVhPI&feature=related It carries a serious warning.triffid
American corporations have gotten rich off war and America. These same corporations that get all the tax breaks and send their money off shore. The same corporations owned by a select few who make up the real world power elite. Its not the guy working 2 jobs to put his daughter through college or the single mom trying to support herself and 2 kids, its the wealthy that get richer off war.The city of London corporation in the middle of london it self is a large offshore destination for the world.A city within a city.They brought about most of the recent crisis in our economy.Just as we dismantled their empire they are now tearing ours apart.The biggest offshore destination in the world is the USA itself in manhatten,NYC.
Just a little fun here.A star trek wedding.and they examine marriage liscences. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4BuHECtCR4
triffid
There 60 tax havens in the world,the USA is the largest(number 1).Britian about number 5.We reduced the british empire in the fifties to 5 million foreigners from 700 million.Now its payback.triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 19, 2011, 12:12:41 PM
Many retirees rely on SS for over 90% of their income.How scary is that?triffid
Very! I run out of spending cash about the middle of the month and have to stand in "soup kitchen" lines for the rest of the month.
No! wonder! there's an "Occupy..." protest in about 30-35 American cities and the number should be growing.
Whoa! Greece protest(s) are becoming something to look at from a distance. I said, (didn't I?) that 'prompt, fresh' riots would return to Greece when political measures would essentially be seen as ineffective. They weren't exactly "prompt" but they're certainly getting attention around Europe.
Whatever they do, Greece will probably default eventually and then we'll all see what happens.
--Lee
.10 million could pay more Social Security tax
tweet22EmailPrint..Jeanne Sahadi, On Wednesday October 19, 2011, 12:53 pm EDT
Seniors got good news on Wednesday: Their Social Security checks will go up 3.6% next year because of a cost-of-living increase.
That also means an estimated 10 million high-income workers may be paying a bigger tax bill.
That's because the inflation that justifies the benefit increase also will raise the amount of income subject to the portion of the payroll tax supporting Social Security.
Currently workers pay the tax on the first $106,800 of income. Starting next year, they will pay it on the first $110,100.
Normally the tax rate is 6.2% for workers and 6.2% for employers. Those who are self-employed pay the full 12.4%.
But this year workers have only paid 4.2% thanks to a temporary payroll tax holiday that Congress passed last December.
Social Security checks to rise 3.6%
It's not clear yet what the rate for 2012 will be. If President Obama has his way, it will be temporarily cut even further -- to 3.1%. Otherwise it may be maintained at 4.2% or revert to 6.2% as it is scheduled to under current law.
This year, people making $110,100 are paying $4,486 into Social Security.
Next year, if the rate reverts to 6.2%, they'd pay $2,341 more.
I do believe greece will default and others will follow.Just as the USA survived its defaults(about seven so far) they will survive but not without pain.Since they cut SS inlays last year I believe now that further tampering will occur with SS.In Dec 2010 SS had a surplus of 2.6 trillion and funds for another 27 years.
It was in far better shape than I had known.Congress should want to make it stronger.So many people rely on it.triffid
Offshore money runs America indeed the whole world.A liberalisation of the world's economy has been forced down the throats of everyone.By powerful corporations and a few very rich individuals.Operating in tax havens without checks and balances.Since America is number one in tax havens I do not see any reforms coming.That is just a daydream.The bankers have taken over the world without john Q public noticing(without much notice).Those who wanted to dig for info could always find it but they were largely ignored by those around them.Now that people can't find JOBs they wonder why and are asking questions NOW.About 100 years too late.triffid
In my situation with my squatters I have won.So I was mad but will not go crazy.I will be just like a banker .My revenge will be to let them live and suffer whatever life throws at them now.Like a banker my actions will not land me in JAIL.I repeat I have WON already.I will minic a banker from now on.My actions will have no consequences.triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 19, 2011, 08:10:52 PM
In my situation with my squatters I have won.So I was mad but will not go crazy.I will be just like a banker .My revenge will be to let them live and suffer whatever life throws at them now.Like a banker my actions will not land me in JAIL.I repeat I have WON already.I will minic a banker from now on.My actions will have no consequences.triffid
Well, okay. Do you have an exit strategy from the St. Louis area? I expect the money to eventually disappear. Having something that will protect you, or that someone needs, can help with your survival.
Do you have anything like that? Think of the
"Resident Evil" series of movies---if you saw any of them.
--Lee
I do have an exit strategy from st.louis planned in a year and a half.Meanwhile I will watch my cleaning lady's health get worse and worse(shes limping now).Watch her hours get cut more and more.Watch her car get older ,needing more repairs,Watch her have more problems with her house and not help her at all in any way.As far as my squatters go I will get my gun next week and maintain guard over this house for another half year anyway.If I get broke in on I will have a means of stopping them.But I will not hunt them down.Its getting colder now here in st.louis soon there will be ice and snow on the streets and that will be enough revenge for me.The price of cigarettes is going up again.They can smoke up to eight packs a day between them.If he is still dealing in drugs there are plenty of drug dealers who will kill him for owing $20.00. triffid
The good news is that the minimum wage in Bangladesh was doubled.It went from 11.5 cents an hour to 22 cents an hour.When you buy your shirt from Bangladesh it is because young ladies earning 22 cents an hour made it for you.Should we say to the american people,We can get you jobs.We are prepared to invest in America.We are an american company.You helped make us great.Thank you for thework you have done over the years.Thank you for purchasing our products.If you are prepared to work for 22 cents an hour we will come back.The minimum wage in the USA is now $7.25 an hour.There is no way they are coming back.
This is the reason jobs have left the USA to go to lands where people will work for pennies per hour.triffid
Its just one of the reasons there are no jobs and the kids (young people) are earning half the money their parents did.The older auto workers used to earn $25.00 an hour.The auto plants shut down then some reopened but at $14.00 an hour for the newer workers.Our manufacturing capacity is lower now then it was before pearl harbor in worldwar two.If we were attacked today by some other power then we would not be able to produce the tanks,machine guns,and airplanes needed to fight back.Its been outsourced.triffid
SS is under attack,there are those who want to make it a welfare program not an earned benefit.Peter Ferrara wants it to become a welfare system.Bruce Bartlett wants SS destroyed too. I suggest we remove these two people from power somehow.triffid
The plan appears to be that if the republicans can drive the debt up so high then come in and cut,cut,cut,SS ,VA benefits ,medicare,and Medicaid.triffid
If you can remove more money from the USA and send it offshore to secret locations you can concentrate more wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people.By destroying the middle class in America you can create more billionaires and more millionaires.Soon you will see billionaires and millionaires stepping over children sleeping in the streets as they make their way home to their estates.triffid
I found out my dads house was my squatters second attempt to get someplace free to live.Maybe they will find some little old lady who has noone to care and no kids and move in with her.Watch her die and claim her house in five years?Oh yeah she has to own the house free and clear.I hope they are smart enough to realize that?Otherwise bank comes and takes it away.They are not too good at paying taxes.In st.Louis they can take the house for not paying taxes for three years.Third times the charm.triffid
SS is under attack! SS would have been ok and was most likely ok until the year 2040.But with the jobs leaving this country it will not last that long.We are being pushed back into farming as a means of surviving.Then if we are invaded we will not have the means to defend ourselves.The factories are gone!
What I see is something like the panic where rats are crawling all over each other to get off a sinking ship.
I see people leaving the country to get their families to a better life.I see myself trying to get something else going besides SS to survive.triffid
The tenth largest credit card issuer in this country is an entity called Premier Bank.They are now offering a credit card with a 79.9 percent interest rate and $300 credit limit.
Today over one quarter of all credit card holders in this country are now paying interest rates above 20 per cent and as high as 79.9 percent.What they are involved in is extortion and loan sharking-nothing essentially different than gangsters,except they dress a lot better.It is thievery and we tolerate it, and we bail them out.
The fed lent out billions to the largest financial institutions and offered it at less than one percent.That is American taxpayer money---large corporations,less than one percent.
Never mind the over 20 percent they charge on their credit cards.triffid
This is why I'm saying the system is far more broken than I ever thought.I bought two books at a few market for $1.00 each "The Speech" a historic filibuster on corporate greed and the decline of our middle class by Senator Bernie Sanders of vermontOn dec 10,2010 he walked onto the floor of the united states senate and began speaking.It turned out to be a very long speech,lasting over eight and a half hours.His speech was a plea for a fundamental change in national priorities,for government policy that reflects the needs of working families,and not just the wealthy and their lobbyists.Senator Bernie Sanders is the longest serving Independent in the history of the United States Congress.I rate him up there with Ron Paul.triffid
The other book for one buck was "treasure Islands" all about offshore banking.All new 2011 editions already one buck each in a flea market.Last book I saw at a garage sale that was new they wanted 10 bucks about two years ago.I guess it hurts peoples heads to read?triffid
we need to find a way to help to our goverments to go out of this financial crisis
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Quote from: titocasas on October 20, 2011, 04:51:57 PM
we need to find a way to help to our goverments to go out of this financial crisis
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Did you mean this?
http://www.revengeonmay6th.com/moreaussienews/2011/jan/Sydney%20Opera%20House%20welcomes%20Final%20Fantasy%20in%20April.html
As for saving the American economy, it's probably too later for that. Besides, do the Republicans want Obama and Democrats to get credit for such a miracle? I think not. They'd probably like the economy to stay the way it is now. All the better to continue blaming Obama for the American financial/fiscal/employment situation.
--Lee
As long as theres life theres hope but since the USA is the worlds largest offshore bank.I don't see congress reforming the offshore banking system.Corporations have to want to reinvest in America.Our Roads and bridges are aging and need upkeep.When all money wants to do is escape regulation and not invest in the community around it.Twenty years down the road everybody alive is living in a slum.Where is the world of the jetsons??? Flying cars and push button jobs?China,China,China.Where did their bailouts come from ?American taxpayers in the forms of loans at less than one percent.Not over 20 percent as they charge their customers!Congress is insane and has been hijacked by corporations who only seek to maximize their profits and seek to collect wealth in the hands of only a few and not the middle class.We have get congress back on the path to working for the people or we will have a revolution like the French did.triffid
LET THEM EAT CAKE!!!
The American Middle Class is too big to fail!!!! PASS IT ON TO CONGRESS!!!
President Barack Obama announced on Friday a nearly complete withdrawal of American military forces from Iraq by the end of the year.
"Today, I can report that as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home from Iraq at the end of this year," Obama said. "After nine years, America's war in Iraq will be over. Over the next two months our troops in Iraq--tens of thousands of them--will pack up their gear and board convoys for the journey home."
Obama affirmed that he has been in talks with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and that the Iraqi government supported the American withdrawal.
"We are in full agreement about how to move forward," Obama said.
I wonder if more like this is coming???triffid
PITTSBURGH (AP) â€" The former CEO of bankrupt soft drink maker Le-Nature's Inc. received the longest prison sentence ever for a financial fraud in the 25-county western Pennsylvania federal court district, for the largest such crime ever prosecuted in that jurisdiction.
Senior U.S. District Judge Alan Bloch sentenced Gregory Podlucky, of Ligonier, to 20 years in prison on Thursday after determining he defrauded investors, vendors and, mostly, lenders out of $684 million.
I wonder too how much ended up offshore?Untraceable beyond the reach of the law?triffid
Rather as to waste time for all this silness, i advise all US citizens to write to Los Alamos to obtain copy of Potapov's VHG's test.
You have only right to do it after: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States)
Have a time with it, and please don't forget to show us.
;D
National debt clock http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ triffid
likewise to the penny. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np
Don't think holographic images cant be scary? Here is holographic Godzilla in japan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrjxEyhtpCQ triffid
Future holographic game console. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaaHcH9nQmI triffid
Holographic tv coming in 2012. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux6aD6vE9sk&feature=related
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Balloon takes camera to 100.000 feet and guys get camera back! http://www.youtube.com/finalcutking/#p/a/u/1/IHjX7LlS7OY
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Here is the technology that could be used to make fake UFOs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfVS-npfVuY Here they talk about making a tv out of it.triffid
Save money by drinking coffee.Heres a few tips on it. http://money.cnn.com/video/pf/2011/09/13/pf_coffee_grounds_savings.cnnmoney/
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Also makes a good handcleaner like goop if you mix coffee grounds with any dishwashing liquid .to clean oily hands after working on the car or lawnmower.
virtual keyboard,laser keyboard.whatever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH8CUTimTvY
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More of the same becomes a mouse too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEuRSuLQrtk&feature=related
Read the posts,not everyone is happy with it.
About $170 if you can find it. http://www.amazon.com/Celluon-Laserkey-CL800BT-projection-Bluetooth/dp/B000ESNE8S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn2EukuYJLo An earlier virtual keyboard they had about three left to sell.
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How to make sausage pizza.Homemade pizza can be good! http://www.youtube.com/user/JohnsonvilleKitchens?v=mPJsKOFBczs&feature=pyv&ad=10028974621&kw=dinner%20recipes
you can always add toppings to whatever pizza you make.
You need a good dough recipe they bought theirs at the store.Cheap cans of biscuit dough makes good mini pizzas.Use another can as a rolling pin to flatten out the biscuit dough to a thin layer.
Its always good to know how to stretch your food dollars.
triffid
Money as debt part two.One hour 18 min long. There are solutions near the end given.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCu3fpg83TY triffid
Preview of "money as debt" three evolution beyond money. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-tUI4a4MgM&feature=related triffid
With no fancy financial jargon what happened to the world economy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyePCRkq620&feature=related triffid
What most people don't know about surviving an economic crisis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC9dz5PLwAU&feature=related triffid
A former CIA agents message to americans. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKlKGB3YwjE&feature=related
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Money as debt part one about 48 minutes long http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc3sKwwAaCU&feature=related triffid
Foreclosed homes damaged by former owners .About one third of all foreclosed homes are damaged.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms6IzSSfcoI&feature=fvsr triffid
bank of america foreclosure secrets dated 2010 but current enough. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=VDczgChTuwE triffid
Loan Modification Truth From Bank of America - part 1.Remember I told you less than 10 percent of the applications are accepted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_l2tWZkR0A&feature=related triffid
A fed up customer with bank of america.What he has to say for boa goes for the other super big banks.Best to use a local credit union since they can only charge a max of 15 % on any loan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6hy4PBo4tE&feature=related triffid
His new logo for BOA is" Bend Over America".Its the same message the congress has given the people.
That can't happen on this planet, unfortunately. Zeitgeist: Moving Forward made that pretty clear. The entire planet is built around money exchange. The smaller credit unions will never get to be as big and corrupt as these despicable behemoths, because they don't operate the same way. Banks are built to screw people over with loans and interest. Credit unions are built to support each other through interest and accounts. It's still better to move to a CU.
Bank of America refused to let people close their accounts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtI85Zc6Oik&feature=related here in St.Louis.I was not aware of this.triffid
How to rob a bank from home.And send stolen funds offshore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=GpQ5ApWpNxo triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 25, 2011, 10:28:59 PM
Bank of America refused to let people close their accounts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtI85Zc6Oik&feature=related here in St.Louis.I was not aware of this.triffid
http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/25/news/international/europe_crisis_talks/
(Europe is going downhill.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9I9u1EDF9Q&feature=related
(Wait. A disaster that "trips a wire"? Oakland, CA has a problem that can get
way!! out of control, especially if someone gets killed on either side of the riot barrier. I see this situation worsening on the news every night.
--Lee
Ron Paul talks about riots too http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=RYg-jn6r7zs
I hope no one gets killed too.Big money is not investing in the USA today.They seek protection from regulation and secrety.Hence the move to offshore locations.Where nobody knows nothing!Too many jobs have moved overseas.China owns America today.American corporations are becoming chinese corporations.They do not get their bailouts from China but expect the American taxpayers to bail them out at loan rates of less than 1 percent.But someone said they paid back those loans so they are nice ,pure and white again!Let them have money at over 20 percent interest.And see if it takes 10 years or longer to pay off those loans.Like I said our system is very very broken.I see no reform in sight.triffid
Most people are unable to raise their own food for lots of reasons.Do pick a place with water.Not Arizona where its so dry.I was there for two weeks in winter.Not so bad heatwise then but soooo dryyyy.
I would pick a place near a river.For water and fish.If you have a boat you could travel a little?Learn which wild plants can be eaten.I am collecting scrap gold again.Have about $150.00 worth now.At $1700 an oz.Going back up a little from $1625 oz.If it shoots up to $3,000 an oz then I have $300.00 worth.triffid
Once again in very simple terms. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_3T-Af57Pg&feature=related
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More satire but lots of truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUexsBNd96Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDdbvahprSY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKw0HaC43TY&feature=related&noredirect=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyaitC91hEM&feature=related
The four largest banks in the USA are Wells Fargo,Bank of America,JPmorganchase, and Citizengroup now after the bailout hold 7.4 trillion dollars in assets.Just four financial institutions have assets worth 52 % of our total output in 2009.Instead of breaking them up we just let them get bigger.It turns out the six largest banks in our economy have total assets in excess of 63 % of our GDP.
No wonder bank of America acts the way it does.Not allowing people to close their accounts if they want to.
15 years ago the six largest banks had 17% of GDP.
Some important news about Social Security http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-retirement/article/113450/social-security-secrets-smartmoney?cat=fidelity_2010_living_in_retirement&mod=fidelity-livingretirement
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More than 8 million people receive Social Security Disability Insurance, which is awarded to people who are unable to work because of a long-term physical or mental disability. But qualifying is no easy task, says John Roberts, manager of Myler Disability, an advocacy group. Only 30% who applied in 2009 were awarded benefits, down from 44% in 1999, according to agency data.
Some of that change can be attributed to more people applying for benefits â€" 2.8 million in 2009 compared to 1.5 million a decade earlier. That's common when the economy is tough, says Gustman: The number of applications rises, along with an increase in claims that fall short of the agency's standards. Even for people with true and serious disabilities, it can be difficult to qualify. The process can take years and often requires legal help. Most people have to wait for a hearing, says Roberts: "Best case, it is 18 months before you get approved." In some cases, the battle goes to federal court.
To improve your chances, Roberts recommends applying for benefits as soon as you become disabled. Waiting too long could leave you in a situation where you haven't worked long enough to qualify for disability benefits. You must generally have worked at least three to ten years before you became disabled, depending on your age. The spokeswoman for the Social Security Administration says it does not pay benefits for partial or short-term disability and taxpayers must be able to show that they cannot do work they did before or adjust to other work because of their medical condition.
6. "You can be unemployed and retired."
A growing number of people in their 60s are collecting unemployment and Social Security benefits at the same time. Since 2002, seventeen states have changed the rules to allow people to qualify for more unemployment benefits while they receive Social Security, according to the National Employment Law Project, which has advocated on behalf of allowing seniors to claim both. It's perfectly legal; you just have to report the income to both agencies.
There is no clear data on how many people are drawing both. About 10% percent of people who collected unemployment benefits in 2010 were 60 or older, according to the Department of Labor; the minimum age to collect Social Security retirement benefits is age 62. For those who qualify, the option has obvious appeal for older Americans struggling to find work in today's weak job market. "We are generally talking about older workers who lose their jobs involuntarily, who are trying to survive," says George Wentworth, an attorney with the National Employment Law Project.
Receiving unemployment benefits doesn't affect your Social Security payments, but the reverse is not always true: In some states, collecting Social Security can reduce your unemployment checks. In Illinois, Louisiana, South Dakota, Utah and Colorado, your unemployment benefits can be reduced by half of your monthly Social Security benefit.
If congress doesn't do away with SS it looks like those of us already on it could recieve it for quite a while to come. Worried about the future of Social Security? You're far from alone. The Social Security Administration itself has said that unless something is done to reform the system, it will burn through its funds within the next few decades. Less talked about, perhaps, is the concern about the present: the program is having a hard time paying its bills. In 2010, the Social Security Administration collected less revenue in taxes than it needed to cover its benefit payments â€" the first time expenditures have exceeded income since 1983. As a result, the program had to tap its $2.5 trillion trust fund, sooner than some had expected. The same is expected to happen this year. "The depth of the recession has slowed down revenues to the system," say Eugene Steuerle, an economist with the Urban Institute, a non-partisan think tank in Washington, D.C.
A Social Security spokeswoman points out that interest income from the Treasury bonds held in the trust fund will allow it to keep growing until 2022 â€" even if the agency has to siphon off some money to offset any shortages in tax revenue -- and won't be exhausted until 2036, when the first Gen Xers begin retiring. But that's already one year earlier than previous projections. After that, the agency says tax income under the current system will only cover about 75% of benefit payments through 2085.
So 2085 there might still be a form of SS?Although I feel less secure knowing that China is financing some of my retirement.triffid
A poster feels the same way I do. I have China to thank for part of my retirement!
As long as they put any surplus into Government Bonds we will be broke because the SS can not redeem the bonds without the Government borrowing more $$$ from China. There is no surplus as it is on loan to the Government.
Ill be 94 in 2036.Of course I plan to live to be 150 at least.Dont laugh Elvis is still making money,so is Albert Einstein.triffid
Most people within ten years of age 62 have already started doing the Social Security math problem: How much do I get if I wait one year to take payments? How much if I wait two years? To get the biggest bump in benefits, workers have to delay their benefits beyond full retirement age â€" around 66 for people born before 1957, closer to 67 for people born after. (To find your exact date, see Social Security Online.) For every additional year you wait, you'll get an 8% increase in payments until you hit age 70. Someone who earned, on average, $50,000 per year over their working life would get $1,900 per month at 66, but $2,505 if he waited until age 70 â€" a 32% boost. "You'll get a bigger benefit amount for the rest of your life," says Dennis Marvin, a financial planner in Cleveland.
If you've already started collecting benefits and you're under full retirement age, it's not too late to get a raise. One strategy: Go back to work. If you earn more than $14,160, the Social Security Administration will dock $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn. But once you reach full retirement age, your benefits will be recalculated to account for the money you didn't get while working. So, for example, someone who took their benefits at 62 â€" at a 25% reduction compared to full benefits â€" but went back to work from ages 63 to 66 and earned enough to zero out his entire Social Security check could end up collecting close to full benefits at age 66.
By JONNELLE MARTE
9. "If you make too much, we'll tax your benefits."
Your Social Security benefits come from paying taxes while you were working, so surely they can't be taxed, right? Wrong. You may in fact be taxed on your Social Security benefits if you have substantial income from other sources, such as dividends, self employment, investment interest and other sources. And studies find many Americans aren't aware of the fact: Some 42% of pre-retirees surveyed by the Financial Literacy Center did not know that benefits could be taxed if their income in retirement exceeded a certain amount.
The rule is that if your combined income -- a measure that includes other sources of income and half of your Social Security benefits -- exceeds $25,000 for an individual or $32,000 for a married couple filing a joint return, you may be taxed on up to 85% of your benefits. People who find themselves in this group can make quarterly estimated payments or choose to have federal taxes withheld from their benefits. The Social Security Administration says the provision to tax benefits became law in 1983 and was "intended to restore the financial soundness" of the Social Security program and Medicare.
we think youre dead! The distinction between dead -- cold, no pulse -- and alive -- just went for a jog! -- seems pretty obvious. But the Social Security Administration commonly records living people in its Death Master File -- a public database that includes Social Security numbers, dates of birth and addresses -- an error that can have grave financial consequences. Of the 2.8 million deaths the Social Security Administration reports each year, about 14,000 people added to the Death Master File are very much alive, according to agency statistics.
People who are incorrectly reported dead can rack up bank fees for bounced checks after Social Security payments stop without warning, and will have to follow up with credit bureaus and other institutions once they get their names off the death file, says Gabriela Beltran, a spokeswoman for the Identity Theft Resource Center. Some people don't find out until they're applying for a loan and they're denied because records show them as decease, she says.
A spokeswoman for the Social Security Administration says it takes "immediate action to correct and reinstate benefits" once it notices an error. Getting off of the list and resuming Social Security payments requires beneficiaries to bring identification to a Social Security office where they can have a face-to-face interview, the administration says.
By JONNELLE MARTE
7. "Your Social Security number is no state secret."
Don't carry your social security card in your wallet. Don't give your number over the phone. Don't use it as a password. For all the precautions workers are told to take to protect that nine-digit number, a Social Security number is still surprisingly vulnerable. So far this year, more than 13 million names and Social Security numbers have been exposed to potential theft as a result of more than 270 data breaches at state governmental agencies, according to the Identity Theft Resource Center, a nonprofit that helps victims of identity theft.
But a social security number need not even be stolen to be compromised. A 2009 study from Carnegie Mellon University finds that it's possible -- and not too difficult -- to guess a Social Security number using details easily gleaned from a Facebook profile, such as date of birth and home town. Researchers were able to accurately guess the first five digits of 44% of Social Security numbers issued after 1988 on the first try, just by using the date and the state the number was issued in; they were able to guess the complete numbers almost 9% of the time. The authors used a list of known Social Security numbers from the Social Security Death Master Files to find patterns on how the last four digits are assigned -- the first five digits are based on the state the number was issued in -- and they found that they are largely assigned in order, based on when the number was issued.
A spokeswoman for the agency says it implemented a new system starting in June that randomly assigns numbers, making more nine digit combinations available in every state. Anyone with a number issued before then might want to guard their birth date and place of birth as carefully as they do their Social Security number -- or at least tighten their Facebook privacy settings.
Somebody posted this under the ss article I placed here.Just to show you guys how some people work the system.triffid
There are too many foreigners who have not paid into s.s. that are collecting. This is NOT fair. My son's girlfriend lost her arm in a boating accident and couldn't get help from s.s because she didn't have enough units paid in. How do the foreigners get away with cheating? The Mexican couple told my son she was dressed to nice and she should not have taken her pain medication so they could feel sorry for her. They said they also got a translater even though they could speak English they pretend not to. They said that s.s paid for a care giver to that helped baby sit. Now you tell me what is wrong with this picture?
Read an article a while back. It was about a proposal to replace the monetary system with "energy credits".
If this does happen, we can kiss all this(OU.com, etc.) goodbye. It would probably become treason to speak of it. Treason in a one world government. Sounds odd.
They wont risk any talk of it if it poses real risk to the fabric of the energy monetary system.
Man, we better come out with something, and quick. ;]
Lol. Energy Credits One day you will have credits for energy that does not exist. Printing up that money, just like the good old days. ;]
Mags
Good old Bernie speaks out! Bernard Madoff on Clients' Anger: 'I Can Live With That'
Madoff seems to have fewer worries about the victims of his massive fraud.
"I understand why clients hate me," he said. "The gravy train is over. I can live with that.
"The average person thinks I robbed widows and orphans," he added. "I made wealthy people wealthier."
I MADE WEALTHY PEOPLE WEALTHIER.
I MADE WEALTHY PEOPLE WEALTHIER.
I MADE WEALTHY PEOPLE WEALTHIER.
And Im sure a lot of that wealth went offshore to secret untraceable accounts.triffid
Gun ownership highest in 20 years. Nearly half of Americans say they have a gun in their household, the highest percentage since 1993, according to a new Gallup poll.
Forty-seven percent of Americans say they have a gun on their property. Gun ownership is up among Republicans as well as Democrats, though only 40 percent of Democrats say their home has a gun, compared to 55 percent of Republicans. Support for personal gun-ownership rights is also at a high. (The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus four points.)
Reported gun ownership dropped sharply in the early 1990s and remained in the low 40s until today. Gallup says it's hard to know whether fewer people actually owned guns over that period or if they felt uncomfortable saying they did due to lower public support for gun ownership.
Only 40 percent of Democrats say their home has a gun, compared to 55 percent of Republicans. Im waiting for a big shootout in Congress Aren't you?triffid
Hi Mags ,The money as debt 11 video that I posted a link to has some alternatives to money that some people are looking at.At the end of the video an hour later.I have not checked them.I did make contact back in the 1980s with a group that was into barter.I spent about three hours tutoring someones kid in homework in return for nothing.Mr. Barter Guy vanished and I never knew why.triffid
Consider the imaginary world of star trek.They have no use for money.No rich ,no poor.Everybody has enough.
Due to machines that create food and materials out of nothing.You work only if you want to.One of the money systems mentioned in "money as debt 11" brings us closer to that reality.Without the transporter machines.Money is evenly spread across the globe.Everybody joins in the trade.No rich nations,no poor nations.Imbalances of goods,services and money are corrected.triffid
Digital coin a new proposal for money reform http://www.digitalcoin.info/
triffid
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisioned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we cannot eat money---Cree Indian Proverb
3. A “digital object†is a secure unique serial number
Like paper cash without the paper, a “digital object†can be securely exchanged instantaneously,
peer-to-peer without any third party involvement, like banks, PayPal or alternative currency
databases. No accounting is required unless desired, and no records are generated.
These "unique digital objects" are also analogous to gold coins in that they have inherent value.
They are fully redeemable for specific real goods and services.
These "Digital Coins" can be transferred instantly anywhere in the networked world.
This can be done anonymously, without accounting and without any third party involvement,
analogous to handing someone a gold coin. You have it. Now they have it.
No bookkeeping is required unless desired.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1118&tab=summary An SS protection act was introduced.But was it passed?
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h1118/show the same info.
SUMMARIES
CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE SUMMARY
The following summary was written by the Congressional Research Service, a well-respected nonpartisan arm of the Library of Congress. GovTrack did not write and has no control over these summaries.
3/16/2011--Introduced.
Social Security Protection Act of 2011 - Makes it out of order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any legislation that: (1) increases the retirement age or the early retirement age for individuals receiving benefits under title II (Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance) (OASDI) of the Social Security Act on or after the enactment of this Act; (2) reduces cost-of-living increases for them; (3) reduces benefit payment amounts for them; or (4) creates private retirement accounts for any of the OSADI benefits they receive.
Hmmmm, no news coverage found for this bill at this time. This means that this this bill has not yet been mentioned on a publicly-searchable news website by either its official number (for example, "H.R. 3200") or title (for example, "America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009"). As soon as that changes, our daily automated search across the Web will catch it and include it here. If this bill is of interest to you, you can write a letter to the editor referring to this bill by name, and if your letter is published on the Web, a link back your letter will appear here within about one day. Or, if you know of a news article about this bill to display here, email us the web address of this page and the web address of your suggested news article: writeus@opencongress.org Our editorial team will post relevant links as quickly as possible. Thanks for helping to build public knowledge about Congress.
How some people will react to the economic collapse. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwWY-W0mIec&feature=relmfu triffid
Quote from: Arius A. Nowak on October 30, 2011, 03:32:58 PM
I would rather advise You, this to all J-o-mericans, if Your very government had prepared enough quantity of concentration camps for next year ready.
I think that for most states it will be 1-2 enough, but for this with mixed nationality it will be really to few, even if transported to desert states for "recovery".
So with Hallo-wink, i would rather to ask Your Statemen about, than to play silly games.
Later, it will be to late.
Surely. 8)
Oh, thank you for coming to the thread I started and telling us something that's already been said:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59023/pg1
The "Statemen", as you put it, are the problem. Will you, Dr. No(Wak)'s-son be a prison guard at a prison in Poland? Will you be a prisoner?
--Lee
Big lee check your PM.There may be concentration camps ahead for Americans???I know we had them for the japanese Americans back in World War Two.They had the face of the enemy.But the German Americans were not rounded up.Because????? They were white and looked like US!!!!Sooooo which Americans will be placed in concentration Camps this time???Now a third of Americans???With the japanese americans they rounded up about 300,000?And within months were running short on supplies.So bring all the boys home and put up roadblocks every hundred miles or so.Search all the cars for guns maybe?Grab the guns?Grab the people too?triffid
Come on. Do you have any idea the type of infrastructure you would need to successfully house 20,000 people, let alone 2 million You need water, and plenty of it, you need waste treatment facilities, housing, heat, medical facilities. Oh, and how are you going to get 2 million people up to Fairbanks Alaska without going through Canada? Oh, yeah, that�s right. The Canadians are part of the NWO also.
If you hired guards to watch two million people How many would it take?Could those jobs be outsourced to india?I'm not afraid of China anymore considering that 2/3 of American corporations are becoming chinese for the almighty dollar and not because of the almighty gun.Now I know that china is propping up the American economy by buying our debt and I know now that part of my SS comes from China.So thank you China.I can set at Mcdonalds and drink coffee because of you.Its a crazy world anymore.No jobs for young peopleNot americans anyway. triffid
I do recall one prison camp for germans on American soil during world war two.But they were not german american citizens.They were captured germans from europe.I saw it on a tv special one night.triffid.
After the jobs start coming back to america in about 40 years I hope that holographic and space elevator technology will have advanced to the point they can transmit human intelligence to the moon and other faraway places without endangering humans.If Machines can be operated by holographic images.Then we
can do work in space without putting on space suits.
I was just told that Americans could be sent overseas to foreign prisons to save money.They could pay those guards less.triffid
Quote from: triffid on November 01, 2011, 07:56:19 PM
Big lee check your PM.There may be concentration camps ahead for Americans???I know we had them for the japanese Americans back in World War Two.They had the face of the enemy.
triffid,
Take a look at these:
http://claireevans.hubpages.com/hub/auschwitzinamerica
http://claireevans.hubpages.com/hub/Auschwitz-in-America-Pt2
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But the German Americans were not rounded up.Because????? They were white and looked like US!!!!
It was the Italians, too. Too many---especially the Germans---and too white. 100,000,000 Germans and my Mom was one. She worked as an Engineering Aide in Civil Service until she met my Dad after the War. She would have been a better engineer than my Dad. She was even smarter than he was; and he was pretty smart himself.
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Sooooo which Americans will be placed in concentration Camps this time???Now a third of Americans???
That's what conspiracy theorists say. I don't know, though. Crowd control and logistics may be difficult.
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With the japanese americans they rounded up about 300,000?And within months were running short on supplies.So bring all the boys home and put up roadblocks every hundred miles or so.Search all the cars for guns maybe?Grab the guns?Grab the people too?triffid
As I said, logistics. That would be a big undertaking. Absolutely perfectly executed organizational planning would be paramount.
--Lee
An example of the detention centres in the United States was the incarceration of Japanese Americans in the light of the attack of PearlHarbour in 1941. After the attacks, American government and military officials began to suspect that every Japanese American would sympathise and support Japan against the United States. They were accused of being spies after the Americans intercepted encrypted messages from Japanese officials which were completely unfounded. Even if there were, it was very few and definitely didn’t warrant the detention of an entire ethnic group. Government and military officials, like J Edgar Hoover, didn’t believe the Japanese Americans constituted a threat but various administration officials at the Department of War (now Department of Defense) disagreed. Finally, fuelled by false reports of espionage and the demands of white farmers in California who saw the Japanese American farmers as threats, President Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066.
The rights of Japanese Americans were revoked, even those who were American citizens which made up the majority, and they were rounded up and detained in prison camps across nine states. It destroyed their emotional well-being, self identify and their culture. Instead of being independent, they had to rely on the government for their basic needs. Many of these camps were placed on Native American property which the Native Americans never consented to. They were never compensated for this. They initially thought they’d benefit from improvements made on their land but that was not to be. After the war, the buildings and gardens were destroyed or sold by the government.
Every Japanese American prisoner had to show their loyalty for the United States by answering two questions: 1) whether or not they would be willing to be drafted to fight in the war or volunteer as a nurse and (2) whether they would swear to obey all the laws of the U.S. and not interfere with the war effort, despite the fact that their rights had been revoked. The majority answered yes to both questions.
On January 2, 1945, the Executive Order was revoked and the Japanese American prisoners were allowed to leave despite the fact that the Japanese had not surrendered yet during the war and the worst was to come. This proves how unfounded the “fears†that the Japanese American detainees were spies. Therefore, they could never have been a security threat.
Ominously enough, in 2006, Congress sent former President Bush a bill that establishes a $38 million program of National Park Service grants to preserve Japanese POW internment camps across several states. Is this in the name of historical preservation or preparation for what is to come?
Strangely enough those who tried to return home after the war found their former homes and businesses taken over by other people and were never paid for their losses.Many had been forced to sell at a great loss or risk receiving nothing for their property.Right before the buses started coming for them.I knew a japanese girl whose parents had met in such a camp.So she was one good thing to come out of it.On the worst day of my life babies were born.I met one such women.It was about sept,4th 1978.At Lunch at work one day I told how that day was the worst day of my life and she popped up with thats the day I was born!Just a reminder that the Sun has been shining everyday since its fusion fires first started no matter how dark our day seems.triffid
This shall be a sign that martial law is here or nearly upon us :The anonymous pastor said the authorities don’t like referring to these facilities as detention camps. Rather they are “community centres†or “relocation centresâ€. The term I most commonly come across is residential centre. He was informed of the plan when a bio-terrorist attack or pandemic occurred. There would be mass vaccinations and forced drugging. There’s a program for this called “Pills in People’s Palms in 48 Hours†and Walmart is the designated place for this procedure.
These pastors see nothing ominous about this. They are unaware of the true conspiracy behind. They get lured into this by being promised preferential treatment and access to vaccines and food during emergencies. Who knows when the time comes if they will actually receive what they are promised?
One of the top 13 Illuminati families http://www.whale.to/b/sp/van.html triffid
Three studies were made by the elite to determine that a population explosion was threatening the earth, according to William Cooper in Behold a Pale Horse, pp. 166-67. The first was during W.W. II, the second at Huntsville, AL in 1957, and the third by the Club of Rome ending in 1968. All three studies concluded that population growth must be curtailed. Last year at a meeting of the elite, George Hunt obtained a handout which shows that the elite are committed to stopping the population growth by any means available. Years earlier, Illuminatus Dr. Aurelio Peccei advocated a plague similar to the Black Plague, and when the idea was developed it became the AIDs epidemic. The Illuminati have the cure for AIDS. Actually, there are many cures for AIDS But the one they had before the AIDS epidemic began will not be given to the population until enough people die, or until the elite are exposed enough that they are forced to give out the cure. Dr. Wolf Szmuness. Pope John Paul II’s ex-roomate was one of the masterminds behind the AIDS epidemic. The National Security Council has had an ad hoc group on Population Policy to strongly encourage other nations to have birth control, abortions, and sterilizations. This group drafted the Global 2000 Report which was given to Carter. Whether the population explosion is a threat or not--(having traveled world-wide and having a father who was considered one of the better agricultural scientists, I contend it is not a threat)- -the world’s elite believe it, and they make the decisions. Further, they have a vested interest, an immoral need to believe in the overpopulation lie.
The Club of Rome is a global think tank that deals with a variety of international political issues. Founded in 1968 at David Rockefeller’s estate in Bellagio, Italy, the CoR describes itself as "a group of world citizens, sharing a common concern for the future of humanity." It consists of current and former Heads of State, UN bureaucrats, high-level politicians and government officials, diplomats, scientists, economists, and business leaders from around the globe.[1] It raised considerable public attention in 1972 with its report The Limits to Growth. The club states that its mission is "to act as a global catalyst for change through the identification and analysis of the crucial problems facing humanity and the communication of such problems to the most important public and private decision makers as well as to the general public."[2] Since 1 July 2008, the organization has its headquarters in Winterthur, Switzerland.
Boy! How naughty have we been?Still working on nuclear disarmament after all these years???According to Ron Paul a rather large number of our troops will remain in Iraq.At least 17,000 for the next ?? years.20?30?
More major debt to rack up!I better not hear of any major cuts to SS!triffid
I still don't know what to think about these rich old boys who hold meetings to decide how the world should be run?We used to hold bull sessions in the dorm where I went to college.All talk,very little action?Im dreaming about space elevators and holographic images myself.triffid
Can my holographic fingers type on a holographic keyboard?Right now I would say YES.It could be made to happen!As long as I could see what I was typing.triffid
Quote from: Arius A. Nowak on November 03, 2011, 04:08:52 PM
I can advise You Friend only this, that against to waste time for this nonsenceless writings, to make a list of drug traffickers, of mobs member suspected, not properly behaving negros and other trashes from Your neighbourhood
and to give it to forces responsible for "cleaning" in proper time.
Only through getting rid of such people, maybe eventually Your government will
be eager some time in future, to give You "free energy".
???
http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-leaving-euro-carries-massive-costs-181337877.html
There's also a riot situation going out of control in Oakland, CA. People are becoming extremely angry there. Potentially very bad!!
If you think you can avoid what's going to happen, even if you have hired Nazi/Polish/German gunmen around yourself, I'll say this: Anyone can be found, even me. The "authorities" know where I am, since I know I can't hide. I'm not trying to hide. It's a waste of time.
You need to be underground, yes? Is there an "Area 51" in Poland? Does the movie film,
"Resident Evil" show in theaters in Poland?
Try this:
http://www.subtitleseeker.com/318627/Resident+Evil:+Apocalypse/Subtitles/Polish/
Hiding will do you no good, just like the "Umbrella" corporation in the movie.
I'm right here, waiting.
--Lee
no nuclear activity, unless the Chinese invade, I promise, you shouldn't worry your head.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 03, 2011, 10:19:01 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/analysis-leaving-euro-carries-massive-costs-181337877.html
There's also a riot situation going out of control in Oakland, CA. People are becoming extremely angry there. Potentially very bad!!
It can get worse:
http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/05/news/international/greece_default/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2
Oakland, CA is a dangerous powder keg! Too many hot-headed reactionaries!
--Lee
Yesterday I read a story conclusively exposing those "hotheaded reactionaries" as police provocateurs.
There are never hotheaded reactionaries, but there are always police provocateurs trying to incite or trying to paint a false flag picture of legitimate protest, in order to cloud the real issues.
Regards...
Thanks for the information provided! I was looking for this information for quite some time, but I wasn’t able to see a dependable source.
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 05, 2011, 07:22:10 PM
Yesterday I read a story conclusively exposing those "hotheaded reactionaries" as police provocateurs.
There are never hotheaded reactionaries, but there are always police provocateurs trying to incite or trying to paint a false flag picture of legitimate protest, in order to cloud the real issues.
Regards...
There are indeed references on the 'Web to show people are seeing police infiltrators, provocateurs etc, at rallies and demonstrations. Thusly:
http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/01/police-infiltrators-and-agent-provocateurs-at-occupy-oakland-documented-fact/
MIB's, anyone?
--Lee
Thats the one Lee...video @ 11 told the tale on this one...again.
Regards...
With the right lawyers I smell money!!!Violation of civil rights! Triffid
§ 1983. CIVIL ACTION FOR DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS
Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress……..
So the Police under color of law conspired to violate the rights of US citizens to exercise their first amendment rights? Infiltrating and provocateuring in order to excuse the beating of protesters to stop the protest is criminal. This is the same Statute used against the Klan. Can it not be used against the Police Klan? 1983 suits have traditionally garnered significant monetary awards and injunctions. Also section 1985 conspiring to violate rights. Keep the cameras rolling!
Terrible things happening in Michigan. The Michigan Emergency Manager Law And What It Does!
Prior to the passage of the Emergency Managers Bill in Michigan,a detailed article outlining the legislation was written. In case you missed it, part of it is reprinted here.
"If Governor Rick Snyder determines that a city, town or even school district is in financial jeopardy, proposed Michigan legislation would allow the state to dismantle entire cities, dissolving locally elected government. The Michigan GOP legislature is intent on passing and implementing this legislation that will make what has just happened in Wisconsin seem like child's play! In addition, the state would have the same powers with regards to schools, dismissing school board members, and taking over any and all schools in a district. Heard enough? Of course not! Under the terms of the bill, corporations can be appointed and paid to take control and assume management of these disbanded cities, towns and school districts, selling assets, closing schools and eliminating all employee agreements. All collective bargaining can be dissolved, but even more than that, the mayors, city councils and local school boards that have been elected by the people will lose all control. They will be fired! Michigan's locally elected governments will serve at the pleasure of the governor, not the people who elected them.
Governor Snyder and his state treasurer, Andy Dillon, already have a training manual and program set up to instruct corporations and potential managers on such topics such as: How To Dissolve A City, Privatization of Assets, Sale of Assets, Merger of Services with Other Governmental Entities. Latest estimates suggest that additional training will take place in April or May. They are wasting no time!"
The law was passed by the Republican majority and the first city to have its locally elected government fired is Benton Harbor, Michigan. On April 14, 2011, the following was issued to take over and remove any and all powers of local government:
"EMERGENCY MANAGER, CITY OF BENTON HARBOR, BERRIEN COUNTY ,MICHIGAN
ORDER NO.: 11-C5
ORDER PROHIBITING ALL ACTION BY ALL CITY BOARDS,COMMISSIONS AND AUTHORITIES, EXCEPT AS AUTHORIZED BYTHE EMERGENCY MANAGER
I, Joseph L. Harris, the duly appointed Emergency Manager for the City of BentonHarbor, Michigan (the "City"), pursuant to the power and authority granted by Act 4 of thePublic Acts of Michigan of 2011, being MCL 141.1501 et seq (the "Act"), do hereby resolve and order as follows:
WHEREAS,
Section 19(ee) provides that the Emergency Manager may exercise any power or authority of any office, employee, department, board, commission or similar entity of the City, whether elected or appointed;
WHEREAS,
the power of the Emergency Manager as set forth in Section 19(ee) of the Act is superior to and supersedes any such officer or entity; and
WHEREAS,
now, no City Board, Commission or Authority has authority or power to act on behalf of the City as provided in the Act. NOW,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED AS FOLLOWS:
1. Absent prior express written authorization and approval by the EmergencyManager, no City Board, Commission or Authority shall take any action for or on behalf of the City whatsoever other than:
i) Call a meeting to order.
ii) Approve of meeting minutes.
iii) Adjourn a meeting.
2. That all prior resolutions, or acts of any kind of the City in conflict herewith are and the same shall be, to the extent of such conflict, rescinded.
3. This order shall be effective immediately.
City of Benton Harbor signed and dated April 14, 2011."
The city of Benton Harbor has been taken over by the state and its elected government has been fired.
Walker is trying to do this to Wisconsin. There is no reason to believe that Walker's bill will have too many differences than the one that became law in Michigan. It is believed that it will give him not only the power to take over cities, but to cut back on programs for the needy. They, the GOP governors, are all working from the same Koch-provided play book that they were given at the Governor's Association Conference held in November in San Diego or at the Koch Brothers Conference held in January in Palm Springs. This is a concerted effort to do away with unions, sell city assets to friends for pennies on the dollar; privatize everything, all under the guise of 'budget crisis'. Walker already admitted to Congress that he did not campaign on destruction of collective bargaining rights AND that collective bargaining has no effect on the budget, so he lied. He is scheduled to lie again in May when he rolls out his newest way to solve the 'fiscal crisis' in Wisconsin.
Say the words 'fiscal crisis' and everyone panics. It is 'word art'. Every day, hundreds of thousands of dollars are spent by Political Action Committees, candidates, almost everyone who has a message. They employ word spets that determine which words or phrases will move their intended audience to agree with them. This is done on both sides of the political spectrum, from the Tea Party all the way to the most liberal of our political arena. Google even participates in 'word art' by running a key word site. What words or phrases do people search for most on the internet? Check google.
I am waiting to hear what 'word art' Walker employs to move this bill forward. When you listen to him and when you read the bill, you owe it to yourself to pay special attention to the wording. What will Walker say this time to convince his supporters in the legislature that he is 'saving' Wisconsin?
link to walkers proposal. http://jillianbarclay.hubpages.com/hub/Scott-Walker-Set-To-Declare-Financial-Martial-Law-In-Wisconsin-Repeat-Of-Michigan
So now that corporations pay little or no tax in the USA.They will be able to steal more assets that now belong to the public for pennies on the dollar.Really a great future ahead for the USA.triffid
From PoliticsUSA, in an article on April 11, written by Sarah Jones:
"This morning, a criminal complaint filed in circuit court alleges that William Gardner, the president and CEO of Wisconsin & Southern Railroad Co., skirted campaign donation laws by soliciting employees to give to Scott Walker’s campaign and then reimbursing them, in what amounts to two felony counts. It has also come out that Walker’s campaign then reimbursed Gardner and seven additional railroad employees to the tune of $43,800, which indicates a criminal probe is imminent of Walker’s campaign." Link to the article at: http://www.politicususa.com/en/criminal-probe-scott-walker
Quote from: triffid on November 06, 2011, 03:02:11 PM
From PoliticsUSA, in an article on April 11, written by Sarah Jones:
"This morning, a criminal complaint filed in circuit court alleges that William Gardner, the president and CEO of Wisconsin & Southern Railroad Co., skirted campaign donation laws by soliciting employees to give to Scott Walker’s campaign and then reimbursing them, in what amounts to two felony counts. It has also come out that Walker’s campaign then reimbursed Gardner and seven additional railroad employees to the tune of $43,800, which indicates a criminal probe is imminent of Walker’s campaign." Link to the article at: http://www.politicususa.com/en/criminal-probe-scott-walker
While you're on the subject of politics, I think that most people realize that crooked politicians are at an all time high currently in American history. I think that most people already know (if they don't at least sense it) that both political parties are bought and paid for by corporate America. The wealthy 1% must keep them both deep in their pockets not only to avoid paying taxes but also to ensure that no one can win an American presidential race that they don't approve of or that could possibly do them harm.
The only viable option I can see for getting an "unpaid for" politician into the White House is to vote for Ron Paul. If you notice how the mainstream media refuses to give him much (if any) coverage except for negative coverage (just like the media does with free energy technology) then you can see how he is so NOT welcomed.
Ron Paul is the only one running for president that has consistently voted his current platform his entire political career in congress. He has my vote and I hope he will gain some of your votes as well as enough is enough. It's evidently clear that neither party's leaders can or will be able to fix what is wrong at the executive level. Not while pandering to the elite. The past 11 years should clearly demonstrate this for us.
Regards,
Chess
Ron Paul is a Republican...red flag.
Ron Paul believes Bin Laden was responsible for 911...red flag.
Ron Paul has reversed his position on abolishing the 'Federal Reserve' - he now just wants to "audit it"...another big red flag.
His role is only to attempt to add legitimacy/"hope and change" to a hopelessly corrupt process.
The only solution is to stop playing their gang politics voting fraud games, letting their mandate expire.
Only through a system of independent representation will there ever be fair representation for the general public.
Its far too easy to corrupt/bribe individual leaders of parties/gangs.
Regards...
Big Lee the vocaloids were in LA last summer in july! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU7X7p-s804&feature=related
Chess,I agree with you on Ron Paul.I think there is another good man like him :Senator Bernie Sanders of the great state of Vermont.
on Dec 10,2010 he took the floor of the Senate and begin an historic filibuster on corporate greed and the decline of our middle class.It lasted eight and a half hours.He hit a nerve.Millions followed his speech online until it crashed the senates server.It was a plea for a fundamental change in national priories,for government policy that reflects the needs of working families, and not just the wealthy and their lobbyists.The middle class is too large to fail and no one in congress seems to be listening to the average John Q Public.triffid
Its scary when coporations are encouraged to take the jobs overseas to lands where people work for pennies per hour.Then bring those products back over here to sell at their regular price.Its scary when the wealthy no longer want to invest in America.Instead they seek secrecy,no regulations and no taxes.I think we need a money reform.A money that no one small group of men can stack in a pile and leave everyone else without a medium of exchange.I did present a link to something called digital-coin.I know its a one currency system but so are gold coins? triffid
http://www.digitalcoin.info/
These "Digital Coins" can be transferred instantly anywhere in the networked world.
This can be done anonymously, without accounting and without any third party involvement,
analogous to handing someone a gold coin. You have it. Now they have it.
No bookkeeping is required unless desired.
Take the printing of money out of the hands of governments and private corporations and put it in the hands of the people( self-issued credit). triffid
When digital money is used no trees are chopped down to make paper money.triffid
This one was at the intel hub but was taken down soon after.
http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/06/glenn-beck-an-event-in-the-next-15-days-will-lead-to-a-new-world-order/
The intel hub article said Glenn stated he got info from a top official(woman) that something major will be happening within 15 days.
On the 9th Nov than asteroid is passing by. So Nasa says.
Then why this...
http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/04/potential-impact-zone-of-2005-yu55-on-november-9th-defined-on-google-earth-and-government-documents/
And this....
http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/06/pacwav11-tsunami-drill-real-events-during-exercise-play-to-occur/
this one is still up as of now...
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=7626
I copied the text from the above link in case it goes byby also.......
Mags
Friday, November 5th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Glenn Beck â€" 15 Days of Economic Collapse
By Andrew Zarowny
If you wanted to see the 12 Days of Christmas, then watching the ‘Glenn Beck Show’ on Fox News Channel was not the place to be today. Instead, Glenn Beck laid out a scenario on how the global economy could collapse in a mere 15 days. His guests were authors Damon Vickers (“The Day The Dollar Crashesâ€) and Brad Thor (“The Athena Projectâ€). Beck emphasizes that he’s not doing this to create fear and panic, but to make people aware of potential problems to be avoided, or, at least prepared for.
Conservative radio and Fox News Channel television host Glenn Beck spoke to a crowd of thousands at the Sears Centre in Hoffman Estates, Illinois on September 20, 2010. Among them were the Chicago Tea Party Patriots, an organization who states its goal is educate the public and promote the principles of fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government and free markets. Other speakers included former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart, Congressman Aaron Schock, and Tea Party leader Herman Cain. Kevin Chalfant, former lead singer for 1980s rock band Journey, performed his song All for One. Fame Pictures, Inc
Day 1 of Glenn Beck’s scenario begins with China announcing that they will no longer buy U.S. Treasury bonds. This is not such a far fetched idea, as they have certainly slowed their rate of bond purchases and have voiced public criticism of Ben Bernanke’s announcement this week of a second round of quantitative easing.
Day 2 and 3 focuses on Wall Street which gets ’spooked’ by China’s announcement. The volume of stock sales is ultra low as rumors of instability abound. By Day 5, the world begins to react. Markets in Asia drop 10%. The American and European markets also decline a like amount. The European Central Bank reacts quickly, raising interest rates to attract capital as investors seek a ‘flight to safety’.
Day 7 of Glenn Beck’s scenario has the U.S. stock markets closed while the Federal Reserve Board holds an emergency meeting. Needless to say the government is certainly participating in decisions during the next 48 hours. With some vague pledge of ‘a plan’, the markets reopen on Day 8. They may even rally a bit, gaining 500 points or so. On Day 9, things seem to be stable.
Day 10 and the U.S. Dollar loses 10-15% of it’s value! The Fed’s quantitative easing has pushed a sudden burst of inflation as global banks try to divest themselves of the reserves of dollars. How possible is this? Again, following Bernanke’s statements on Wednesday, financial leaders in China, South Korea and Thailand have already said this week that they will act together, in concert, to protect themselves from a devalued dollar.
Day 11, the Fed meets again. On Day 12, in Beck’s scenario, the Fed decides to follow the Euro Bank’s move of increasing interest rates. Far from securing stability and confidence, the sudden change in direction by the Fed has the opposite affect.
Day 13, Lucky 13 â€" GLOBAL MELTDOWN! All of the world’s market begin to crash as confidence in ‘The System’ goes out the window. It’s every man (and lady) for themselves! The value of all paper securities, be they mortgages, stocks bonds, currency, is questionable. The markets go into total free-fall, losing perhaps 20% or more in a single day.
On Day 14 of Glenn Beck’s scenario, the IMF (International Monetary Fund) and the G20 financial leaders meet. In a televised, joint announcement, they announce an emergency plan to restructure all ’sovereign debt’, the debt held by each nation. Perhaps even a new currency or basket of currencies for global trade to replace the U.S. dollar. The beginning of the New World Order.
On Day 15, the public begins to panic. In the past two weeks, the value of their currency has declined some 20% or more. The cost of food, oil, etc, has jumped. Bank runs are televised as people get whatever cash they can and buy whatever is available from the shelves of grocery stores. The entire nation is behaving as if a hurricane is approaching. ‘The System’ is utterly swamped.
Glenn Beck’s scenario for economic collapse is not all that far fetched. In polls taken earlier this year, more than 70% of Americans believe that things could get much worse. That another economic collapse could happen. As I wrote earlier today, a high-ranking finance official from China, Xia Bin, warned yesterday that the Federal Reserves plan for a second round of quantitative easing would not work and could lead to another collapse. Both of Glenn’s guests, authors Damon Vickers and Brad Thorn agree that the scenario is a very possible one. Beck said that during the course of researching his latest book, “BROKEâ€, some of the 30+ economists he talked with think that even 15 days may be optimistic. A sudden crash could happen in 3 days from an event such as China ending it’s purchase of U.S. bonds.
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Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 06, 2011, 04:30:16 PM
Ron Paul is a Republican...red flag.
Ron Paul believes Bin Laden was responsible for 911...red flag.
Ron Paul has reversed his position on abolishing the 'Federal Reserve' - he now just wants to "audit it"...another big red flag.
His role is only to attempt to add legitimacy/"hope and change" to a hopelessly corrupt process.
The only solution is to stop playing their gang politics voting fraud games, letting their mandate expire.
Only through a system of independent representation will there ever be fair representation for the general public.
Its far too easy to corrupt/bribe individual leaders of parties/gangs.
Regards...
I know he is Republican and that is why I stated:
“It's evidently clear that
neither party's leaders can or will be able to fix what is wrong at the executive level. Not while pandering to the elite.â€
Notice I said “
…party’s leadersâ€. Ron Paul is NOT a leader of the Republican Party nor is he getting the support of a leader from his own national headquartered party either.
As far as closing the FED; you must audit the Federal Reserve before you can end it. That is why he has consistently pushed for legislation that has already led to a PARTIAL audit of the FED and after a full audit, we will have the evidence in hand necessary to end it. It’s like a criminal case. You can’t convict a criminal without building a case and having a trial first. Nobody can end the FED without a complete audit showing what we only suspect (but can not prove without an audit first) right now.
Ron Paul:
• has never voted to raise taxes.
• has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
• has never voted to raise congressional pay.
• has never taken a government paid junket.
• voted against the Patriot Act.
• has introduced legislation to stop the TSA.
• voted against regulating the internet.
• voted against the Iraq war.
• has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
• has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
You present someone that has a voting record that even comes close to Ron Paul's and I'll vote for him myself.
RE
Chess
The carrot on the stick 'game' has many layers and fail safes and has been in the works for many decades.
I simply can't fathom how someone at that level...or any level of consciousness can believe the "official" lies of 911...yet Paul does.
He just another layer of the onion.
You cannot solve problems with the same thinking that caused them...it doesn't get any simpler that that.
In the end, people will believe only what they want to believe...unfortunately.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 06, 2011, 05:23:55 PM
The carrot on the stick 'game' has many layers and fail safes and has been in the works for many decades.
I simply can't fathom how someone at that level...or any level of consciousness can believe the "official" lies of 911...yet Paul does.
He just another layer of the onion.
You cannot solve problems with the same thinking that caused them...it doesn't get any simpler that that.
In the end, people will believe only what they want to believe...unfortunately.
Regards...
Just like I thought, you got NOTHING. NOBODY has a voting record that can even come close to that of Ron Paul's which is why you couldn't present ANYONE else.
The holographic dancers take a bow and the audience is interacting with them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RixhqW-SJ1E
So I believe that machines can be made to interact with holograms such as mining equipment that could carry mans intelligence into dangerous places without taking mans body there too.Such as underground coal mines when a cave in occurs only machines are buried not real people.triffid
I could say ANYTHING to get elected and that is what MOST politicians do. They say ANYTHING to get into office.
What a person (other than Ron Paul) can not say is he/she:
• has never voted to raise taxes.
• has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
• has never voted to raise congressional pay.
• has never taken a government paid junket.
• voted against the Patriot Act.
• has introduced legislation to stop the TSA.
• voted against regulating the internet.
• voted against the Iraq war.
• never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
• never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
The only thing that separates Ron Paul from the liars is his proven track record which is not a bunch of empty promises. It’s Ron Paul putting his efforts where his mouth is. Actions speak louder than words.
P.S. …and in the end, the sun will go down every day.
I wish we could get Ron Paul elected.I will vote for him if he is on the ballot.triffid
Nothing ??
I provided reason for his "voting record" which you are unable to comprehend, either intentionally or intellectually.
But it is YOU who have NOTHING to offer as an explanation for Paul's bizarre 911 position/belief.
If you continually focus on the carrot you will never be able to snatch the pebble from the hand grasshopper.
Regards...
Chess you said both political parties are bought and paid for by corporate America. The wealthy 1% must keep them both deep in their pockets not only to avoid paying taxes but also to ensure that no one can win an American presidential race that they don't approve of or that could possibly do them harm.Thats the problem in a nutshell.Now The middle class must wage a war with the banks and the corporations.THE MIDDLE CLASS IS TOO BIG TO FAIL and congress must hear that message.triffid
Trif, if Paul were as he presents himself, how long would it take before he joined the club consisting of the likes of JFK, MLK, and RFK...among many others ?
Regards...
Quote from: triffid on November 06, 2011, 06:00:56 PM
I wish we could get Ron Paul elected.I will vote for him if he is on the ballot.triffid
@Triffid:
He'll be on the ballot even if he has to run as a Libertarian. I will vote for him also because I know that he walks the walk and doesn't just talk the talk.
Chess
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 06, 2011, 06:01:08 PM
Nothing ??
I provided reason for his "voting record" which you are unable to comprehend, either intentionally or intellectually.
But it is YOU who have NOTHING to offer as an explanation for Paul's bizarre 911 position/belief.
If you continually focus on the carrot you will never be able to snatch the pebble from the hand grasshopper.
Regards...
Look, Cap-Z-ro. I saw your FAKED self running motor video so don’t hand me this “intellectual†load of bull crap. You are one of the people who has given skeptics of free energy a field day (as well as MyLow).
So please spare me the “I am stating the truth†argument.
RE
Quote from: triffid on November 06, 2011, 02:32:46 PM
With the right lawyers I smell money!!!Violation of civil rights! Triffid
§ 1983. CIVIL ACTION FOR DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS
Considering your whole post: This is nothing. The revised Patriot Act
essentially takes the original Act and makes
anyone liable for infractions and violations. Me and you.
No one has anything to say about it. Complaining about it can make you an inviting target. I'm not kidding. I was in the Air Force and the Feds are all the same.
--Lee
Quote from above...not the spiritual:
" Look, Cap-Z-ro. I saw your FAKED self running motor video so don’t hand me this “intellectual†load of bull crap. You are one of the people who has given skeptics of free energy a field day (as well as MyLow).
So please spare me the “I am stating the truth†argument. "
And now we arrive at the point where the debate loser resorts to smear tactics to avoid subject matter.
And where the loser must back up his false allegation by producing evidence of this fictional "self running motor" which he purports I am associated with...or be discredited.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 06, 2011, 08:57:30 PM
Quote from above...not the spiritual:
" Look, Cap-Z-ro. I saw your FAKED self running motor video so don’t hand me this “intellectual†load of bull crap. You are one of the people who has given skeptics of free energy a field day (as well as MyLow).
So please spare me the “I am stating the truth†argument. "
And now we arrive at the point where the debate loser resorts to smear tactics to avoid subject matter.
And where the loser must back up his false allegation by producing evidence of this fictional "self running motor" which he purports I am associated with...or be discredited.
Regards...
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A Low Tech Self Running Pump/Motor
« on: August 04, 2008, 07:38:56 PM »
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Here is another self running pump/motor.
Its called 'The Clem Over-Unity Motor'.
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clem1.htm
I didn't want to throw a similar self runner thread off topic so I started this one for discussion of this device.
I found this on another site a few years ago and think of it often...it looks like the real deal.
Regards..."
So I am still waiting for the so called "self running motor" to enter the market place. It's always possible that I may have overlooked it at Lowes.
regards,
Chess
Man you are really desperate...and apparently quite pathetic also.
All you did was copy something I posted on someone else's topic...which is why you didn't bother to include the link.
Well, I guess we're all waiting for that link...
But we both know thats not going to happen, why don't you slink off somewhere...or start preparing a suitable apology...sincerity optional of course.
Unless you are a net troll, then log in with another moniker and slog onward.
Disregards...
“All you did was copy something I posted on someone else's topic...which is why you didn't bother to include the link.â€
Yes I did because you demanded to see proof (“And where the loser must back up his false allegation by producing evidence of this fictional "self running motor" which he purports I am associated with...or be discredited.â€) as you said it didn’t exist. Then I posted the proof (“Here is another self running pump/motor. Its called 'The Clem Over-Unity Motor'.†http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clem1.htm) that you admit to posting and its link and you call me a troll.
I am simply making the point that people can not take either one of our postings for Gospel. People need to see for themselves what is what and form their own opinions.
I am not a troll. I have genuinely devoted a good portion of the last 15 years plus of my life to free energy research. I’ve also spent 1000’s of dollars of my own money to conduct my own research. I have suffered relentless and mean spirited ridicule for my personal pursuit and belief in free energy technology (as main stream science denounces all who challenge their so called "laws"). Despite this fact, I will NEVER stop! Even in a “JFK/RFK†scenario (as you put it) I will still go forward with my research along with my findings. Even being beat to market, I will respect those who have presented their commercial devices in the market place. If I was a troll, do you really believe I would be announcing the success of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat(over unity device) in a separate thread I started?
I am someone who will only publish positive results from my own experiments if they are truly genuine. I hope to in the future but as of yet I can not do this.
Regards,
Chess
I think we need to return to the scene of the crime...where a false allegation was made to discredit me.
The accusers very own regrettable words quoted from up above..." I saw your FAKED self running motor video "
Well we are all still waiting for the link to this "video" which I purportedly posted...or even a link the thread itself would do - which of course everyone reading knows by now never existed.
He just made it up...and we all know what that makes him, despite the horn blowing resume of positive attributes.
How much longer someone will drag themselves through the mud when exposed remains the only question now.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 06, 2011, 11:09:40 PM
I think we need to return to the scene of the crime...where a false allegation was made to discredit me.
The accusers very own regrettable words quoted from up above..." I saw your FAKED self running motor video "
Cap...
I looked back at the previous pages to this one and I didn't see the post where a false allegation was made. Can you post a quote to this, so I can see it on a thread I started.
I know you're a Moderator and this would be a serious claim against your honesty and integrity. I would be upset, too.
--Lee
I know Ron Paul would soon join that club already mentioned if he was able to effect the changes he wants to make.His return to a gold standard would make money scarce and hard to come by.But self issued credit like the digital-coin could be the answer.I could trade hours for digital coins instead of dollars.There could be an unlimited supply of digital coins.Depending on the number of hours I have to trade.
Some interesting cartoons and videos on the space elevator. http://www.spaceelevatorblog.com/?cat=8
triffid
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 06, 2011, 11:09:40 PM
I think we need to return to the scene of the crime...where a false allegation was made to discredit me.
The accusers very own regrettable words quoted from up above..." I saw your FAKED self running motor video "
Well we are all still waiting for the link to this "video" which I purportedly posted...or even a link the thread itself would do - which of course everyone reading knows by now never existed.
He just made it up...and we all know what that makes him, despite the horn blowing resume of positive attributes.
How much longer someone will drag themselves through the mud when exposed remains the only question now.
Regards...
@Cap-Z-ro:
Is there a video showing you faking a self-running motor? The answer is no. There is not and I was mistaken. For this, I apologize. Was there a link to a self-running motor and a picture of this motor in the link you posted? Yes there is.
Was I correct in putting you in the same category as MyLow? No, I was not. I was wrong. After reviewing my old postings here, I found several (not just one) different technologies that I supported at one time or another that either turned out to be fakes or simply did not pan out. So therefore, I am just as guilty of what I accused you of.
Furthermore, I was a supporter of "Mike's Motor" (way back when) and it was determined to be a fake later on. So I am not only guilty of supporting a fake self-running motor, but I am also guilty of hypocrisy for attacking your support of a motor that didn't pan out as well. For this I also apologize. I still disagree with your assessment of Ron Paul, but you are entitled to your opinion.
Sincerely,
Joe
Quote from: Adolf on November 07, 2011, 09:03:27 PM
I think, Israel attacks Iran on Thursday. ???
Why do you say that? Do you know something we don't?
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/1107/An-imminent-Israeli-strike-on-Iran-nuclear-program-Not-likely
--Lee
Quote from: Adolf on November 07, 2011, 09:30:14 PM
Oil is going sky high! :o
Can I ask why? ;]
We are listening. ;]
Mags
Quote from: Adolf on November 07, 2011, 09:30:14 PM
Oil is going sky high! :o
Alright, if it does, the economy could crash from that alone. But why should Israel attack Iran exactly on Thursday?
(I realize Iran would probably build an atom bomb if they really knew how to make it safe and reliable. Israel would attack for that reason by itself.)
--Lee
I'm sorry i just can't take a guy named Adolf predicting the actions of Jews seriously.
fritznien
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 07, 2011, 09:51:45 PM
Alright, if it does, the economy could crash from that alone. But why should Israel attack Iran exactly on Thursday?
(I realize Iran would probably build an atom bomb if they really knew how to make it safe and reliable. Israel would attack for that reason by itself.)
--Lee
Israel Warns Attack on Iran is Increasingly Likely
Israeli President Shimon Peres warned on Sunday that an Israeli attack on Iran is becoming increasingly likely. Peres’ comments comes just days before a highly anticipated report by the International Atomic Energy Agency on Iran’s nuclear program. According to the Washington Post, the report will claim Iran has mastered the critical steps needed to build a nuclear weapon. The IAEA report is also expected to state that Iran has received crucial technical assistance from foreign weapon scientists from Russia, Pakistan and North Korea. Meanwhile, the Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz reports U.S. officials are increasingly concerned that Israel will not warn them before taking military action against Iran’s alleged nuclear facilities. One official said the United States is "absolutely" concerned that Israel is preparing an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities.
LINK TO STORY: http://www.democracynow.org/2011/11/7/headlines#1
Israel Warns Attack on Iran is Increasingly Likely
So what is the problem?Israel took out the nuclear program of Iraq and the world just belly ached.Israeli intelligence is one of the best in the world.If Israel says they are developing nuclear weapons then they most likely are.Israel cannot take a chance that Iran has a weapon or two so they must act.That is how I see it.Most likely the Israeli's waited until the last possible moment.triffid
As far as oil going sky high let it!It would be a good lesson to John Q.Public to depend on foreign Oil and Politicans to save them.triffid
So now the USA must wait 33 years at the current rate of job creation just to match prerecession employment rates.75% of the unemployed were receiving uemployment benefits a year ago.Now only 48% of those unemployed are receiving any.I see massive poverty coming for the american middle class.triffid
Sorry for the delay in responding Lee...net connection issues.
Here below is the offending post by c-nut...I will dissect his disingenuous face saving "apology later"
Regards...
"
Quote from: chessnyt on November 06, 2011, 06:32:38 PM
Look, Cap-Z-ro. I saw your FAKED self running motor video so don’t hand me this “intellectual†load of bull crap. You are one of the people who has given skeptics of free energy a field day (as well as MyLow).
So please spare me the “I am stating the truth†argument. "
I will interject c-nut's post with 'CAPITAL TEXT', clearing up his most recent distortions of fact and reality.
" @Cap-Z-ro:
Is there a video showing you faking a self-running motor? The answer is no. There is not and I was mistaken. For this, I apologize. I'M GUESSING THIS HAPPENS QUITE FREQUENTLY.
Was there a link to a self-running motor and a picture of this motor in the link you posted? Yes there is. POSSIBLY, BUT CERTAINLY NOT MINE...NOR DID I EVER MAKE ANY CLAIMS.
Was I correct in putting you in the same category as MyLow? No, I was not. I was wrong.
After reviewing my old postings here, I found several (not just one) different technologies that I supported at one time or another that either turned out to be fakes or simply did not pan out. So therefore, I am just as guilty of what I accused you of. EXCEPT I DO NOT ASSAIL ANYONE'S REPUTATION UNJUSTLY.
Furthermore, I was a supporter of "Mike's Motor" (way back when) and it was determined to be a fake later on. So I am not only guilty of supporting a fake self-running motor, but I am also guilty of hypocrisy for attacking your support of a motor that didn't pan out as well. FOR THE RECORD I HAVE NEVER ENDORSED ANY SUCH FRAUDS...YET ANOTHER DISTORTION...NOT A SURPRISE CONSIDERING THE SOURCE.
For this I also apologize. A TRULY GENUINE APOLOGY COMES WITHOUT QUALIFICATIONS...THESE FACE SAVERS DO NOT QUALIFY AS SUCH.
I still disagree with your assessment of Ron Paul, but you are entitled to your opinion. WHICH IS ALL THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID INITIALLY.
Sincerely, NOT SO MUCH, METHINKS
Joe "
Regards...
the fuel film an hour and 52 minutes long but it says what we need to do to bring jobs back home to make america energy independent. http://www.hulu.com/watch/158468/fuel
did you know theres a diesel car that gets 150 mpg?
German car company Loremo is showing off its ultra-low-resistance car, simply called the Loremo, which it says can get between 130 and 150 mpg with a simple two-cylinder turbo-diesel engine and aerodynamic body. Sounds unrealistic, right? To us too, but supposedly the Loremo is set to go into production in 2009 for sale in Europe at a low cost of $15,000 Euros, or roughly $22,000.
triffid
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 08, 2011, 05:27:19 PM
Sorry for the delay in responding Lee...net connection issues.
Here below is the offending post by c-nut...I will dissect his disingenuous face saving "apology later"
Regards...
"
Quote from: chessnyt on November 06, 2011, 06:32:38 PM
Look, Cap-Z-ro. I saw your FAKED self running motor video so don’t hand me this “intellectual†load of bull crap. You are one of the people who has given skeptics of free energy a field day (as well as MyLow).
So please spare me the “I am stating the truth†argument. "
Yeah...okay...you have a point. I did actually read his apology elsewhere and it
was snide in tone---to say the least.
You still might go ahead and prove your point for all to see. I'd like to see it, myself. It ought to be a good read.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on November 08, 2011, 04:02:36 PM
Israel Warns Attack on Iran is Increasingly Likely
So what is the problem?Israel took out the nuclear program of Iraq and the world just belly ached.Israeli intelligence is one of the best in the world.If Israel says they are developing nuclear weapons then they most likely are. ...
With regard to this post and the one immediately before it:
I absolutely agree. Radical Muslims are Right wing Fascists who want to kill everyone in Israel and then do us the same way---after they try and go through predominately Christian European for practice in making war on a very large scale. We would be next.
My opinionated consternation was with the newbie, Adolph. After I read the 1st or 2nd post of his, I asked myself,
"Is his last name Hitler?"Oil will more than "go sky-high." The Muslim world will probably react badly to a preemptive attack by Israel. About all Israel can do is take their enemies with them in death using their own atomic weapons while (possibly!!) army after Muslim army attacks Israel in revenge. The Israelis are
waaaaaaayyyy!!!! outnumbered.
In Europe:
Italy is becoming a new Greece. And that's scaring people. It's the 3rd largest economy in Europe. Even the two Greek bailouts were bigger than the whole yearly GNP of Greece. Italy is too big to fail.
--Lee
Quote from Lee:
" Yeah...okay...you have a point. I did actually read his apology elsewhere and it was snide in tone---to say the least.
You still might go ahead and prove your point for all to see. I'd like to see it, myself. It ought to be a good read.
--Lee "
The lack of proof offered up by an accuser is proof in itself Lee.
In that regard I believe c-nut has been thoroughly exposed as being inherently dishonest, to say the very least.
For whatever the reason, there are some people who think they can get away with just making stuff up in order to gain a perceived intellectual edge over someone...which in turn exposes their own lack of intelligence.
I try to devote as little time and energy to these types beyond outing them...that is unless they become a persistent problem.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 09, 2011, 10:55:39 AM
The lack of proof offered up by an accuser is proof in itself Lee. ... In that regard I believe c-nut has been thoroughly exposed as being inherently dishonest, to say the very least.
Well, you make a strong point for my saying: I myself have dealt with disingenuous bullies and hypocrites for almost my whole life. It looks to me like your adversarial issue with this Member is similar in general quality of experience to my own experience, differing only in direction of focus or possibly subject of contention.
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For whatever the reason, there are some people who think they can get away with just making stuff up in order to gain a perceived intellectual edge over someone...which in turn exposes their own lack of intelligence.
Which brings me to a past issue with WilbyInebriated. Splitting literary and verbal hairs to make a point as to a trivial inconsequence is his specialty. He writes with obvious intelligence. He might also point out that I can as well, when I'm motivated. And he
could belittle even that, if he thought he could prove a personal point of less importance than a thread subject, for instance.
I have my own Bench forum on OUR.com to archive information and perform simple experiments. But unless "Wilby..." changes from his past attitude toward me if and when he becomes a Member there, he'll be unwelcome there until he does.
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I try to devote as little time and energy to these types beyond outing them...that is unless they become a persistent problem.
I never go out of my way to provoke people, but I
will get upset when someone does it to me first. Any reasonable person would. I just try and mind my own business, but stupid jerks can make like less fun if they think can get away with it. However, karma is real to me, and, as it's been said,
"What goes around, comes around." Old cliche, I know, but karma is older, IMHO.
--Lee
There was a time when smear tactics would get me upset also, but I've since learned to laugh at the futility of the perpetrators knowing that before its all said and done, when pressured they eventually always end up perpetrating fraud of some sort in trying to back up a poorly considered position...as was the case in this instance, when c-nut pasted some unlinked and out of context comment from an unrelated thread.
Regards...
Don't worry Friends, i see how it flows in Your direction.
It will be like 1000's of Niagaras fallen on Your heads. :-*
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 09, 2011, 04:51:55 PM
There was a time when smear tactics would get me upset also, but I've since learned to laugh at the futility of the perpetrators knowing that before its all said and done, when pressured they eventually always end up perpetrating fraud of some sort in trying to back up a poorly considered position...as was the case in this instance, when c-nut pasted some unlinked and out of context comment from an unrelated thread.
Regards...
Okay. I'm with you on this one. My former business associate was treated similarly to you and me. People would take advantage of his basic honesty and kind-heartedness. He would only say to me,
"I'll step back and let him go. I give the matter to God. God can handle him and show him what a mistake he made. I'll merely watch while God deals with this guy in His own way."It never failed that the miscreant suffered from some stupidity he made by his own actions. Eventually, I saw he was right. I,
"Let them go", as my friend did.
On topic:Arius3,
I said the economy would essentially crash and it will. I know I can't hide from this economic calamity, but I'm also not going to try. I don't think you can hide, either.
"Ich sagte, dass die Wirtschaft im wesentlichen zusammenbrechen würde, und es. Ich weiß, dass ich mich von dieser Wirtschaftskatastrophe nicht verbergen kann, aber ich bin auch nicht dabei zu versuchen. Ich denke nicht, dass Sie sich auch verbergen können."Even more on topic:1) Home prices are still falling in many metropolitan markets.
2) Millions of people are out of work and some are about to lose their unemployment benefits.
3) Adjustable Rate Mortgages(ARMs) are raising the rates for many Americans who still have a home to live in.
4) The Italian debt/credit crisis won't go away as long as politicians there refuse to get their act together and cut spending. Even if they do, riots in the streets can become severe.
5) Occupy Wall Street("Everywhere", eventually) won't go away as long #'s 1, 2 & 3 above are in effect. I hope this doesn't get ugly.
6) The American debt load is heading toward $15 trillion, accelerating in a downward speeding spiral, and is absolutely unsustainable. The "economic disaster" I see, is coming.
--Lee
! ;D
The whole worlds debt/credit crisis won't go away as long as politicians there refuse to get their act together and cut spending.Ron Paul said freeze spending at current levels and the crisis would go away pretty much on its own in five years.In the fuel film that I provided a link to it says that millions of new high paying jobs could be created just by making the USA energy independent of foreign oil.There have been no wars over biodiesel,wind and solar,JUST OIL.Months before 9/11 vp Dick Cheny was involved in a series of meetings on Iraq's oil fields,Mostly how to take them OVER.Every current diesel engine in existence can run on biodiesel without modications to the engine.Take the time to watch the movie and you will see solutions to the current unemployment problems we have now.triffid
s k y s c r a p e r
In the fuel film vertical farming is discussed.You could take a new york skyscraper grow food in every window and feed 50,000 people from it.If NYC had twenty such farms it would feed one million.There are solutions!!!
triffid
You could feed 50,000 people from one skyscraper converted into a vertical farm.You could turn empty buildings across the usa into vertical farms.triffid
The whole world debt/credit crisis won't go away as long as politicians there refuse to get their act together and cut spending.As Ron Paul might say Just hold spending at current levels for five years and the crisis will prenty much go away.In the the fuel film that I provided a link to it tells how to create millions of new high paying jobs by creating energy independence for the USA.By creating alternative fuels such as biodiesel out of waste materials.Put people to work on making the USA energy independent.There are no wars for biodiesel,wind power or solar.Just for OIL.Our young people are dying for OIL.Iraq was being being divided up before 9/11.
Dick Cheny was involved in a series of meetings on iraqs oil fields.Mostly on how to take them OVER.In the film it talks about vertical farming.Turn a new york skyscraper into a farm where each window is used to grow something to eat.Such a building could feed 50,000 people.You could have twenty such farms in New York City alone.There are solutions!!!No current existing diesel engine has to be modified for biodiesel.
Sorry my computer messed up on me tonight.But my points are still valid.please excuse their delivery.triffid
One problem I had thought of is, it seems if you added all the money of all the millionaires and billionaires, then think, hmm, if this is where a large amount of money is, this is a problem. Many of them are sitting on most of it. If it doesnt circulate, and just accumulates(to them), then there is less for everyone else, no?
Its probably a partial reason the Gov has to print more.
Think of all the paper money(since its beginnings) that has been lost, buried and never found, burned, etc. The more that it happens, the more that is missing from the economies. Possible billions.
I tell ya, I hope Obamy gets shmack down over that Solyndra deal. Gop are working hard on that, finding inconsistencies with what the WH says, and what email records say. This guy has got to go.
He has the gall to tell us and congress to take less vacations, etc.
Obamys wife took their daughter and 40 of her daughters friends to Spain. About $350,000! Call the kettle black?
Mags
Mags theres about 7.5 trillion in cash sitting around the City of London Influence which includes the isle of man.They are the fifth largest tax haven in the world.The USA is number one in the world.There are 60 tax havens around the world.So there is a large amount of cash just sitting around the world in these tax havens.I have no idea how much.I did have a number for the British Isles.Since the USA can print all it wants.I think we have enough paper money.We don't have it circulating too well.The wealthy do not want to invest in America.
We 99% should create jobs that cannot be outsourced to other countries.The home grown version of making biodiesel is one of those.Wind power and solar power could be more.Making America energy independent and growing more food should be top priories.I liked the concept of vertical gardens in our major cities.triffid
The first thing one could do is to spend nearly two hours watching the movie "the fuel film" I provided a link to.
That would give anyone a lot of info.And maybe hope too.I saw biodiesel at the missouri renewable energy fair in Sept.So there is a lot of work to be done.Private citizens have to start it.We are not helpless.People still come to the USA to get rich.That has not changed.What has changed is that there have been no net new job creation since Dec,1999.All the job growth since then was in government which is like a parasite chewing on itself.triffid
You do not get rich by working at a JOB.You have to start your own company.You just survive at a JOB.
When there are less jobs then less people are surviving well. triffid
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Arius3,
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1110/507/Two_Underground_Cities_Destroyed_On_8-23-2011.html
As I said, no where to hide.
"Wie ich sagte, nicht mich wo zu verbergen." ;D
(I know Spanish better than German. :D I live in California, so I thought it was a good idea then to study it in high school.)
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on November 10, 2011, 11:49:44 AM
You do not get rich by working at a JOB.You have to start your own company.You just survive at a JOB.
When there are less jobs then less people are surviving well. triffid
You nailed that one on the head. Even having a Masters or PhD doesn't get you much of a decent paying job. So developing something and starting your own company is the way to go if a person is able to. Applying for Grants or private funding is good.
;D
Laurie
Quote from: Laurie on November 10, 2011, 03:38:48 PM
You nailed that one on the head. Even having a Masters or PhD doesn't get you much of a decent paying job. So developing something and starting your own company is the way to go if a person is able to. Applying for Grants or private funding is good.
;D
Laurie
@Laurie
In general, I agree with you. But more specifically to my experience, I've had to work for arrogant jerks for years until I was disabled. These guys didn't gave a damn about anything but making money at any cost---and they're
(all!) out of business now.
To start a business, find something you love to do.
(Make sure!) there's a market for what you want to do or sell. Get funding as much as you need.
(You'll need more than you'll probably ask for, and they should know that.)
Find a good crew of employees or you'll be out of business. Great organizations like the cable TV Whale Conservation Groups to stop whaling ships in the Pacific are a prime example. They'll die to defend whales. You need workers like these.
Look out for dishonest competitors and criminals, if you can. There are a lot of them, so they're difficult to avoid.
Do the best you can. You'll probably need luck, too; that would be nice.
I worked in small and medium-sized companies for 25 yrs., so I think I know whereof I speak. I wasn't born at midnight yesterday as well, so I should know a thing or two.
--Lee
I worked for a giant company the last 11 years of my career.I do see the need for people to start making America more energy independent.Private individuals who want to make a difference.For the production and distribution of biodiesel.Any gains we can make there would only help us.We need to keep the money at home.
There are those who have jumped in this area and what they have done is impressive.They are proving it can be done.With waste streams we can make biodiesel.Out of sewage we can make biodiesel.We can make it out of algae.Out of weeds.Out of feedlot wastes.No need to use food crops to make it.Watch the two hour movie I provided a link to.Of course I like wind and solar too.These jobs created could not be outsourced.I made pepsi for four years for Pepi cola.Its hard for me to see how that job could be outsourced to China.Teleportation would have to be invented for that to occur.triffid
Tonight I found a good reason to turn 60 which I do this year.
One Reason to Look Forward to 60
One of the best things about turning 60 is qualifying for cheap hunting and fishing permits.
In the state of missouri a combined hunting and fishing permit costs $70.00.Age 59 its $300.
I forgot to say these are lifetime permits for a state resident.
Self sustaining and renewable are the things we should be looking for.I have seen more people fight for survival in st.Louis than anywhere else in my life.It freaks me out at times.When room and board in jail becomes part of your plans to survive how low is that?I know a man with 11 kids and no job who is sitting in jail right now.How low is that?I have not seen my squatters for 2 and 1/2 months.People are now telling me they must have moved on.I hope they are right.I never did buy that gun.I get too angry sometimes to have one. triffid
Quote from: triffid on November 10, 2011, 07:25:55 PM
Self sustaining and renewable are the things we should be looking for.I have seen more people fight for survival in st.Louis than anywhere else in my life.
There's something wrong in the world, let alone this country. Many,
many cities have "Occupy" protests. People are becoming pissed at the "business as usual" model of the past. I see no end in sight.
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It freaks me out at times.When room and board in jail becomes part of your plans to survive how low is that?I know a man with 11 kids and no job who is sitting in jail right now.How low is that?
The slum I live in is the same way. "Occupy S.F." isn't that bad. Yet. I still think they're acting for some of the same reasons that the rioters in Greece are doing. It's a worldwide phenom.
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I have not seen my squatters for 2 and 1/2 months.People are now telling me they must have moved on.I hope they are right.I never did buy that gun.I get too angry sometimes to have one. triffid
I'm glad you didn't. It
can make a man
seem bigger that he really is. I did finally buy a knife with a scabbard that looks like a Japanese tanto. Rather like ...this... (http://www.google.com/imgres?q=japanese+tanto&hl=en&safe=active&biw=1280&bih=860&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=QLqKcuml_63dwM:&imgrefurl=http://www.jcamericana.com/inventory-edged-weapons.php&docid=oUBxHejiTIh1NM&imgurl=http://www.jcamericana.com/img/edged-weapons/JapaneseTantoSword2L.jpg&w=660&h=310&ei=H5i8Tp_bCuiJiAK914jBAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=153&vpy=182&dur=1598&hovh=154&hovw=328&tx=158&ty=90&sig=101116310510459186736&page=1&tbnh=91&tbnw=194&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0)but with a black anti-rust surface finish all over the blade and handle; the blade being about 18" long.
The squatters appear to be gone. You might see if you can do something with the house now that they aren't around.
--Lee
I really do hope they have moved on.I did have the house painted on the inside the last two weeks.I am glad I did not get a gun.I am really not a gun person plus the fact that they would have records.Better to let the old witch who let them in die in a nursing home unloved by all.Shes not in a nursing home yet but shes working on it.Too much drama in St.Louis.The guy who's sitting in jail and no job.Its his fault no one Else's.Having 11 kids should be a crime especially if you are not supporting them.I think hes about 35-38.
triffid
Mags,I like playing with numbers.You wondered how much cash is offshore?60 times 7.5 trillion equals
450 trillion dollars more or less could be sitting offshore??triffid
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/beyond_the_movie_lord_of_the_rings_return_of_the_king
In the link above many parallels are drawn between real life and the events that are portrayed in the movie ,lord of the rings.What I like about is that real life leaders are examined and talked about as this video continues on and on.What would Ben Franklin do in this current economic crisis?What be his pearls of wisdom?
The link above is pretty much about leadership.Something we need badly in these times.triffid
Going back to what I said about people needing to start a business to get rich. Most people have no money to start with.However some businesses are started on the top of a kitchen table,others in a garage.When there is no money, One has to get creative,have lots of energy.And it helps to have two or more like minded people to help you.If you want to make biodiesel try to find someone in your area who wants to make it too.Or take a job with someone is already making it.The production of and distribution of biodiesel is one industry that cannot be outsourced.You make it here in the usa to be used in the usa.triffid
Lee,here is a tv news clip about the vocaloid dancers in LA last summer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrdea1HocAE triffid
Some very interesting costumes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSe0xHUntGk
triffid
Quote from: triffid on November 11, 2011, 08:30:06 PM
Mags,I like playing with numbers.You wondered how much cash is offshore?60 times 7.5 trillion equals
450 trillion dollars more or less could be sitting offshore??triffid
Wow, where did you get those numbers? ;]
What kind of shape would we be in if we had all that cash?
http://www.usdebtclock.org/#
Mags
according to http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/News/StudyRevealsOverwhelmingWealthGap.aspx
total world wealth is only 125 trillion, 34 percent in the USA.
fritznien
Quote from: triffid on November 12, 2011, 02:41:50 PM
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/beyond_the_movie_lord_of_the_rings_return_of_the_king
In the link above many parallels are drawn between real life and the events that are portrayed in the movie ,lord of the rings.What I like about is that real life leaders are examined and talked about as this video continues on and on.What would Ben Franklin do in this current economic crisis?What be his pearls of wisdom?
The link above is pretty much about leadership.Something we need badly in these times.triffid
triffid,
I like the premise of your film find. This country has gone downhill for decades and it's 'getting serious', as some might put it. I fully agree. We need a hero, and not like in the popular song. Someone who can reason with people and take charge with the authority people can respect.
Time is short in this computer, but I particularly noticed in downtown S.F., the tents of the "Occupy" protesters are multiplying as they snake up Market St. two blocks to Main St. and Market.
This is something the cops and local business owners will get tired of---no doubt about it! Deaths are beginning to occur in some nationwide camps and even counter-protests from merchants are planned. Tempers are going to get short. Especially if people's lives in survival and money to make a living are thrown together.
--Lee
Mags,I made a wild stab at the numbers.60 tax havens times 7.5 trillion (a number I had from the worlds fifth largest tax haven)"the city of london" in the city of london itself.I do not think I am correct.But it gives you an idea of the wealth that could be hiding.It seems that 125 trillion is too small a number.I had statistics in college.I know the smallest have less than the largest.But I like playing with numbers anywayyyy.
Lee, sooner or later someone will get hurt even killed in these protests.The jobs that could be outsourced are gone and are not coming back.What we need to focus on are creation of jobs that cannot be outsourced.We need to work on our roads and bridges.Our energy independence.Wind ,solar,and biodiesel.We need to grow more food.We need private individuals to step up and do things.People need to be inspired.Thats where Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson would have come in as leaders in this current crisis.triffid
Here is a link to Hero Bx in Erie,Penn.They are making biodiesel on a grand scale.I saw video clips of ther plant on that "fuel Film " I posted a link to. http://www.herobx.com/HERO-BX-Profile/HERO-BX-Contact.php
They are a great example of the leadership we need.Of course we need hundreds or thousands of such plants around the country.triffid
So here is the leadership and production rates:
Lake Erie Biofuels, LLC d/b/a HERO BX is engaged in the production and marketing of biodiesel at the Company’s facility located in Erie, Pennsylvania.
HERO BX is managed by Erie Management Group, LLC and is owned by Black Family Holdings, LP. The Company was formed in September 2005 and began construction of its production facility in June 2006. HERO BX produced its first ASTM D6751 approved biodiesel on November 29, 2007.
The Company has constructed a 45 million gallon per year capacity biodiesel plant that is designed to produce biodiesel from vegetable oils, animal fats or a multi-feedstock blend. The Company’s biodiesel plant is equipped with Desmet Ballestra designed continuous flow technology.
The Company’s facility features a proprietary filtration system and pretreatment facility that became operational in March 2008 followed shortly by a fatty acid stripper. The Company’s pretreatment facility and fatty acid stripper allow for utilization of multiple feedstocks as economics and quality specifications dictate. The flexibility with regard to feedstock situates HERO BX in an advantageous position versus biodiesel plants whose economics are directly tied to price and availability of a single feedstock.
HERO BX has achieved BQ-9000 accreditation as a producer and marketer from the National Biodiesel Accreditation Commission. To receive this accreditation, the Company passed a rigorous review and inspection of its quality control processes by an independent auditor. HERO BX has a state of the art on-site laboratory to ensure adherence to the strict specifications of ASTMD6751 and EN14214 quality specifications. The laboratory has opened its doors to outside revenue generation as a certified commercial laboratory.
They have jobs that cannot be outsourced.All of america is a market for producers of biodiesel.triffid
And a source of high paying jobs for Americans
jobs,jobs,jobs
Think we don't need a money reform?Something is wrong when one person can have more wealth than a nation or nations. Half the world, nearly 3 billion people, live on less than $2 a day. The three richest people in the world â€"- Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates, investor Warren Buffett and Mexican telecom mogul Carlos Slim Helú -- have more money than the poorest 48 nations combined. triffid
Got $2,200? In this world, you're rich thats assets guys.
A online magazine on biodiesel http://www.biodieselmagazine.com/ triffid
biodiesel plant in st.joseph,mo now hiring. http://www.biodieselmagazine.com/articles/8152/blue-sun-acquires-idle-missouri-biodiesel-plant-now-hiring
http://www.witts.ws/videos/ another ministry that promotes free energy.triffid
http://www.gizmoguide.com/
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Quote from: triffid on November 13, 2011, 09:59:21 AM
Mags,I made a wild stab at the numbers.60 tax havens times 7.5 trillion (a number I had from the worlds fifth largest tax haven)"the city of london" in the city of london itself.I do not think I am correct.But it gives you an idea of the wealth that could be hiding.It seems that 125 trillion is too small a number.I had statistics in college.I know the smallest have less than the largest.But I like playing with numbers anywayyyy.
I'll just go out on a limb here, and say if that much money was offshore, it
might become an inviting target for organized crime
if they could even find it. From what I've read of The Mob, IMHO.
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Lee, sooner or later someone will get hurt even killed in these protests.The jobs that could be outsourced are gone and are not coming back.What we need to focus on are creation of jobs that cannot be outsourced.We need to work on our roads and bridges.Our energy independence.Wind ,solar,and biodiesel.We need to grow more food.We need private individuals to step up and do things.People need to be inspired.Thats where Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson would have come in as leaders in this current crisis.triffid
Yeah! I agree!! I don't know what happened to the expert electrical/electronic engineers of the 20's and 30's. They had the ability to tune a circuit by hand; just 'feeling' it. Kapanadze has come along, but he hasn't been any better received than they were.
Oh, and municipalities are becoming tired of losing money to these protesters when business falls and taxes aren't reported. The protesters are also beginning to argue amongst themselves as well.
Finally,
Yikes! The site was upgraded!!! I can still figure it out, but to say it looks different would be a staggering understatement.
--Lee
Things are still crazy here in the USA.We are still sending AID to China!!!Tuesday's hearing of the House Foreign Affairs Asia subcommittee on the aid program offered plenty of red meat to China critics.
All six lawmakers to speak â€" five Republicans and one Democrat â€" expressed incredulity that the United States was still providing aid to China, which they accused of persecuting its people and stealing intellectual property from U.S. companies.
Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., said U.S. foreign policymakers were out of touch with taxpayers. He said it was "an insult to the American people" and that aid should only go to democracy organizations in the communist-controlled country.
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., used even blunter terms. He called it "pouring U.S. taxpayer dollars down the toilet."
Republican presidential contenders also have entered the fray. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has said that, if elected, he would seek to sanction China as a currency manipulator on Day One of his presidency. And Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota has suggested that the U.S. is effectively helping to subsidize China's army with interest payments to China on the debt, which stood at $1.14 trillion, according to an October Treasury Department report.
I agree wih you Lee.Overunity.com sure looks different!triffid
Whats 1.14 trillion dollars among friends?Since there there is a lot of criminally produced wealth offshore I think the mafia is already there?If you can steal it you can send it offshore and hide it quickly.Often within hours.One day,same day!
if someone comes looking for it they can't find it.The cayman islands made it a crime for anyone to ask questions.Including Law enforcement from the usa.When you can tell the cops to shove it.You can hide it.triffid
"Aid" is simply the method used by the 'elected' elite criminals to pass out free money to each other, from one country to another.
Regards...
Quote from: triffid on November 13, 2011, 09:14:48 PM
http://www.witts.ws/videos/ (http://www.witts.ws/videos/) another ministry that promotes free energy.triffid
Creative Science/Fuelesspower is the same way:
http://www.overunity.com/7580/www-fuellesspower-com-is-it-a-scam/
They're both out for the money. I live in a Salvation Army transitional residence and
that religion is motivated by money.
What's next on the horizon for "Occupy", (Worldwide) or the economic debacle in Greece and Italy?
--Lee
Quote of Lee:
" They're both out for the money. I live in a Salvation Army transitional residence and that religion is motivated by money. "
I thought I'd pass on the Tharp thingy...good to see Lee set the record straight...wonder what Tharpe takes in....seems he depends on people not putting his name in a search engine.
Not to appear too chummy with a fellow Tharpe critic...I Like Lee, am also in temporary public hostelry.
Regards...
biodiesel from weeds http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/oilseeds_fuel_biodiesel_dreams.html (http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/oilseeds_fuel_biodiesel_dreams.html)
triffid
more of the same.http://growpennycress.com/strategy.html (http://growpennycress.com/strategy.html)
USDA research shows that 150 gallons of fuel can be made from a ton of seeds when using both the seed oil and presscake biomass indicating that Pennycress has the potential to produce about 6 billion gallons of liquid transportation biofuels per year. In the future yields are expected significantly increase thus raising the impact of this sustainable energy supply.[/color][/font][/size]
All of this can be accomplished without impact to the food supply while significantly reducing greenhouse gas emissions, protecting the environment and producing tremendous economic benefit to the rural economy.[/color][/font][/size]
looks like my next car will be a diesel so I can eventually run it on biodiesel.Of course I want about 45mpg.triffid
Maybe one of these? http://www.greencar.com/ (http://www.greencar.com/)
Warren Buffett, the world's third-richest person who has been a vocal proponent of increasing taxes on the wealthiest Americans, has taken his struggle to Congress' deficit-reduction super committee. He sent the group a series of letters between himself and Republican Representative Tim Huelskamp of Kansas which indicated that he would be willing to release his federal tax returns as long as other wealthy Americans would follow suit, according to The Associated Press (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/warren-buffett-brings-tax-fight-supercommittee-14725971).
"If you could get other ultra rich Americans to publish their returns along with mine, that would be very useful to the tax dialogue and intelligent reform," Buffett wrote in the letters, which the AP obtained yesterday.
The bi-partisan panel that Buffett corresponded with was created this summer in the hopes of finding a way to decrease the national debt.
Buffet's letter to Huelskamp did provide some insight into his taxes and income. The news source states that Buffett put his total adjust gross income at $62,855,038, while his taxable income was $39,814,784.
Buffett's fight to increase taxes on the super rich coincides with a cry from many members of the public who are taking part in the Occupy Wall Street protests across the country. While the protesters' demands are multitudinous, there is a unifying call among participants to decrease the income gap between the wealthiest 1 percent of the nation and the middle and lower classes.
Quote from: triffid on November 16, 2011, 12:04:16 AMUSDA research shows that 150 gallons of fuel can be made from a ton of seeds when using both the seed oil and presscake biomass indicating that Pennycress has the potential to produce about 6 billion gallons of liquid transportation biofuels per year. In the future yields are expected significantly increase thus raising the impact of this sustainable energy supply.[/color][/font][/size]All of this can be accomplished without impact to the food supply while significantly reducing greenhouse gas emissions, protecting the environment and producing tremendous economic benefit to the rural economy.[/color][/font][/size]
'Salt switchgrass' (not the correct name? I'm going by memory.) grows in the Desert Southwest and will do something similar. It'll tolerate the sun and little water, where practically nothing else will grow. But your idea is valid, triffid.
--Lee
There are people doing things,but it takes time and money to do things that are sustainable and renewable.It takes people waking up to a crisis to start changing the ways they do things.The protesters show that the public is waking up to what the corporations and bankers are doing to this country.I heard that greek farmers are still growing food,That greek firemen still put out fires.They are doing these things without banks.They are taking up barter to bypass the banks altogether.Biodiesel is a great way to get the usa off of foreign oil.And out of expensive wars FOR OIL Put the 50 billion a year we spend to occupy the middle east for their oil.Into solar,wind and biodiesel.America would become energy independent in 20 years or sooner!triffid
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Hey Triff
Heres a good article, considering what were posting the other day. ;]
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-corporate-cash-pile-isnt-163940462.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-corporate-cash-pile-isnt-163940462.html)
Mags
Thanks Mags,We do need to remember that everything is not as simple as the media wants us to believe.So I am posting part of your article here. NEW YORK (AP) -- Hardly a day goes by without some politician or pundit pointing out that companies are hoarding cash â€" roughly $3 trillion of it. If only they would spend it, the thinking goes, the economy might get better.[/size]But the story is not as simple as that. Though it seems to have escaped nearly everyone's notice, companies have piled up even more debt lately than they have cash. So they aren't as free to spend as they may seem.[/size]
"The record cash story is bull market baloney," says David Stockman, a former U.S. budget director.[/size]
U.S. companies are sitting on $358 billion more cash than they had at the start of the recession in December 2007, according to the latest Federal Reserve figures, from June. But in the same period, what they owed rose $428 billion.[/size]
Before the recession, you have to go back at least six decades to find a time when companies were so burdened by debt.[/size]
The first company I ever worked for went into debt to the bank on a yearly cycle(basis) to buy spring fashions for the store(c.r.anthony's).When bank credit to them dried up.They had to close their doors.Before they closed the store where I had worked they moved the location of that store to another location inside the shopping mall.So its never as simple as it seems.triffid
I think there is plenty of money in the world.Money is only a tool and its up to people to use that tool wisely.I am for money reform also.Such as the digital coin.I posted a link to.Its harder to hoard that into huge secret piles off shore.
The financial picture is at least better for the biggest, publicly traded firms. Non-financial companies in the Standard & Poor's 500 are making more money than ever and adding to their cash fast. It's middle-sized and small companies that appear to be most vulnerable.[/size]
"There are almost two economies out there â€" the big S&P 500 companies, then everyone else," says Michael Thompson, managing director of S&P's valuation and risk strategies.[/size]
But this sunny picture for the largest companies is marred by debt, too. Since the start of the recession, S&P 500 companies have borrowed an additional 44 cents for every additional dollar they've hoarded in cash. For many companies, debt has risen more than cash.[/size]
Drugmaker Pfizer added $3.5 billion to cash from the start of the recession. But it added $28 billion of debt, according to FactSet. PepsiCo added $22 billion more debt than cash. Hewlett-Packard added $16 billion more, Wal-Mart $13 billion.[/size]
But this sunny picture for the largest companies is marred by [/size][color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]debt[/color], too. Since the start of the [/size][color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]recession[/color], S&P 500 companies have borrowed an additional 44 cents for every additional dollar they've hoarded in cash. For many companies,debt has risen more than cash.
In this way the s&p 500 companies are like the federal govnerment who borrows 40 cents on every dollar it spends.[/size]
Quote from: triffid on November 18, 2011, 02:44:42 PM
...But this sunny picture for the largest companies is marred by debt, too. Since the start of the recession, S&P 500 companies have borrowed an additional 44 cents for every additional dollar they've hoarded in cash. For many companies, debt has risen more than cash.[/size]
Yes, very good; I agree, triffid. The telling tale is going to be in Itally first, and Spain late. 10-yr bond yields are climbing quickly in both countries and is indicative of unsustainable debt loads. That should have everyone starting to get scared. They can drag us down with them when they default. It'll happen sooner or later, and a
few economists in Europe are saying to the responsible countries,
"Get your act together---fast!!" (They mean budget cuts, which won't be at all popular with their citizens.)
That goes for America as well.
--Lee
just needed to park this somewhere I can find it when I want it. http://books.google.com/books?id=foLRISkt9gcC&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=tungsten+soluble+in+hydrogen+peroxide&source=bl&ots=-ssFAaoXCY&sig=xE2nZJLCxu2WTJvI066OnX07lkM&hl=en&ei=FKyPTZPpHaSN0QH9tdisCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=tungsten%20soluble%20in%20hydrogen%20peroxide&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=foLRISkt9gcC&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=tungsten+soluble+in+hydrogen+peroxide&source=bl&ots=-ssFAaoXCY&sig=xE2nZJLCxu2WTJvI066OnX07lkM&hl=en&ei=FKyPTZPpHaSN0QH9tdisCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=tungsten%20soluble%20in%20hydrogen%20peroxide&f=false) just some chemistry.triffid
50 minute talk on the economy usa and world.Very well done I thought. http://corp.bankofamerica.com/publicpdf/landing/cfowebcast/cfowebcast.html (http://corp.bankofamerica.com/publicpdf/landing/cfowebcast/cfowebcast.html)
says greece cannot default on their debt so they will be bailed out.Say that the usa had a growth of 3% in the beginning of 2011.now down to 1%.triffid
Just some tips on how to save money this year when shopping.
DON'T do all your holiday shopping on Black Friday.[/font][/size]
Consider the Friday after Thanksgiving as one of several days to find deals. The best deals on apparel usually appear on Cyber Monday (November 28 this year), when retailers discount items online. Toys will be cheaper the first two weeks of December when Walmart and Amazon go to war with each other to offer the lowest prices and clear out inventory before Christmas, de Grandpre says. And the best deals on name-brand TVs and luxury items can be found in early December, too. triffid[/size]
I watched the 50 minute video I provided a link to.And this is what I learned--Most CFOs(chief financial officers) of major usa corporations see little to no growth in the usa economy for the next 2-3 years.we have 1% growth at the moment.Down from 3% six months ago.As I posted earlier in this thread the USA has defaulted on its debt seven times before in its history and survived.Right now congress admitted last summer that its too dysfunctional to solve our current debt crisis.For any new efforts to solve it we must now go through elections.
Greece will not default because too many other nations banks are involved so Greece cannot default but it will take the 17 other nations to come together and agree on a bailout for that to happen.
Major message is that we will survive but not without pain.triffid
Pretty much a link to all the states governments.Turns out the great state of mo is #48 in growth in the nation. http://www.alec.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home (http://www.alec.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home)
triffid
The land of 10,000 layoffs---
Minnesota prides itself as the land where liberal governance works, but lately the wheels have come off. The state is broke, and as of July 1 most state services are closed amid a budget stalemate between Democratic Governor Mark Dayton and Republicans who run the legislature. The drama may be a forecast of the looming standoff in Washington, so it's worth reporting what the scrap is about.[/size]
From his first day in office, Mr. Dayton, the wealthy heir to a department store chain, has sought to plug the budget hole with tax increases. Revenues have climbed this year as the ...[/font][/size]
Here it is if you want to read it"The State of the States" http://www.alec.org/AM/pdf/tax/11rsps/RSPS_4thEdition1.pdf (http://www.alec.org/AM/pdf/tax/11rsps/RSPS_4thEdition1.pdf)
triffid
Very interesting article from theintelhub.com
http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/21/if-chemtrails-and-haarp-didn%E2%80%99t-disturb-you-enough-wait-until-you-hear-about-morgellons/ (http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/21/if-chemtrails-and-haarp-didn%E2%80%99t-disturb-you-enough-wait-until-you-hear-about-morgellons/)
Here is an excerpt...
“…the local police force used some high tech device from the police station that caused most all electronic items within 500 meters of the police station to be knocked out for about one hour. The Police told the locals it was a safety wave .This safety wave
effect lasted for about one hour in the early morning times while the Helicopter flew in and about one hour later flew out. The effects were no mobile phones in that 500 meter radius of the police station would work. No cars within that field effect could be made to start their engines. All other cars outside the region were not allowed to enter this safety wave region so it’s not known if they
can knock out engines that were running at the time of the safety wave event.
All satellite TV and cable TV devices in the safety wave region were knocked out also. We are talking a region festooned with multi story apartment blocks with hundreds if not thousands of normal Spanish going about their normal lives unaware that there was some sort of test of a safety wave device about to be given to them.
There seems to have been other unconfirmed issues suggesting pace makers and other medical devices were effected both within the safety wave region and possibly further than the safety wave field. There seemed to have been a local spike in death rates that day and for several days it was rumoured that the local funeral homes had a spike in burials.â€
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on November 21, 2011, 08:29:04 PM
Very interesting article from theintelhub.com
http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/21/if-chemtrails-and-haarp-didn%E2%80%99t-disturb-you-enough-wait-until-you-hear-about-morgellons/ (http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/21/if-chemtrails-and-haarp-didn%E2%80%99t-disturb-you-enough-wait-until-you-hear-about-morgellons/)
Here is an excerpt...
“…the local police force used some high tech device from the police station that caused most all electronic items within 500 meters of the police station to be knocked out for about one hour. The Police told the locals it was a safety wave .This safety wave
effect lasted for about one hour in the early morning times while the Helicopter flew in and about one hour later flew out. The effects were no mobile phones in that 500 meter radius of the police station would work. No cars within that field effect could be made to start their engines. All other cars outside the region were not allowed to enter this safety wave region so it’s not known if they
can knock out engines that were running at the time of the safety wave event.
All satellite TV and cable TV devices in the safety wave region were knocked out also. We are talking a region festooned with multi story apartment blocks with hundreds if not thousands of normal Spanish going about their normal lives unaware that there was some sort of test of a safety wave device about to be given to them.
There seems to have been other unconfirmed issues suggesting pace makers and other medical devices were effected both within the safety wave region and possibly further than the safety wave field. There seemed to have been a local spike in death rates that day and for several days it was rumoured that the local funeral homes had a spike in burials.â€
Mags
i think it has a relationship about the EMP isn't it mags?, what do you think?
Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on November 21, 2011, 08:42:40 PM
i think it has a relationship about the EMP isn't it mags?, what do you think?
Well, it seems as though it can be on or off for as long as they wish. A continuous disruption. Cars wont start, but after the "wave" is gone, all is fine.
An emp? Car no worky, phone, nada, toast, burned. Mostly anyway. ;]
It said it was a helicopter. Funny, I use a pc tv broadcast receiver, (gives me 1080p out and PCdvr, timeshift) and there is a helicopter that sometimes flies over and it disrupts my reception when it is just above my apt. Like the signal from it is aiming down. And its not right above, like 50ft lol more like a few hundred ft up. But I pay attn when the copters fly over, to see if the signal dips. Maybe a couple times a week.
I would think that if the chopper is transmitting, I might see disruption as it approaches and as it goes. But it is only for a couple seconds.
Their comin to git me. =o lol They got Nuthin! cuz I got nuttin. so its nuttin. ;]
Also read an article at Pesn that reactor 3 in Japan is in the ground, awaiting the possibility of a Hydrovolcanic eruption. Doesnt sound good. In the posts below the atricle, there is a man from japan saying that their govt isnt telling them anything. Multi posting, sounds scared.
Cali is having radio active readings 300 times norm, New Orleans just under 200times norm.
Now Europe is claiming heavy readings.
Did you know that microwave ovens are illegal in Russia? They say it does cause foods to change into carcinogens. Old news.
Mags
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Weird. Its pouring rain outside and I keep hearing helicopters, and we have Dami disrupting the site. Dam that Dami. ;]
Mags
talk about free money.Free until you realize you are being tracked???With GPS!!!
SYDNEY (AP) â€" Mamma mia! That's a lot of dough, even for an upscale pizzeria.[/size]
Police are looking for the owner of a suitcase "full of money" that was left at the Italian restaurant in Sydney by a mystery customer.[/size]
Ten Network television reported the suitcase left at Cafe MarcoTuesday morning contained about 1 million Australian dollars ($1 million) in 50 dollar notes.[/size]
But police will only describe the suitcase contents as "a significant amount of cash."[/size]
Detective Inspector Ian Pryde told reporters a man around 30-years-old wearing surfing shorts and a singlet carried the suitcase into the cafe. He then "seemed to get spooked" and left without the money.[/size]
A cafe staff member contacted by telephone told The Associated Press she was too busy with customers to comment.[/size]
Seems he realized his life was worth more than a million bucks!?!? triffid
Mags,what color are your helicopters?Black? by any chance? triffid
I learned some strange details about Bank Of America over the weekend.Seems next month they are going into recycling including COMPOSTING.They are suppose to recycle as much waste paper as they can.Anyone not on board with the program might get recycled themselves.I also heard they lost ten billion dollars last year and had to pay 175 million in taxes to the IRS.I heard they are selling parts of their company to try to get smaller???I heard they are afraid of the current" occupy" movement.So they are trying to get their act together???
My source told me this stuff is not getting into the mainstream news.triffid
Quote from: triffid on November 22, 2011, 10:15:33 AM
Mags,what color are your helicopters?Black? by any chance? triffid
Hey Triff
Its mostly at nite. So color is not visible. 1 pass last nite disrupted my tv reception
Im in FT Lauderdale, so there are life flight, bank money pickups, I95 accidents, etc.
Im not saying that the choppers are of the kind in the article, just strange coincidences I suppose. ;] I dont mind a lil paranoia. Keeps me on my toes. Id rather be aware than not at all. ;]
Mags
This guy caught a huge tuna and had to give it to the feds. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/man-catches-881-pound-tuna-seized-feds-194650751.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/man-catches-881-pound-tuna-seized-feds-194650751.html) due to a strange law he had never heard of before.triffid
Want to see how dangerous your neighborhood is?Type in your address at https://www.crimereports.com/ (https://www.crimereports.com/) triffid
A man wiser than me once said, "No matter how thin the tortilla is, it always has two sides." triffid
Yeah I'm back on my vitamin C quest for knowledge.
Interestingly, humans, monkeys, guinea pigs, Mediterranean fruit bats and the Red Vented Bulbul (a bird) are the only animals that do not make Vitamin C in our/their bodies. [/font]
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[/i][/size]Therefore, we must have it in our diet every day.[/font]
ALL other animals' bodies, including dogs, make Vitamin C, so it is not typically provided in dog food. The problem comes when your dog does not have a healthy immune [color=rgb(0, 102, 0) !important]system[/color].[/font]
Not all dogs produce enough Vitamin C due to things like stress, surgery,over-vaccination (http://www.organic-pet-digest.com/dog-vaccination-schedule.html) and genetics. In the wild, these animals would be eating a raw diet to compensate.[/font]
And guess what raw meat contains... vitamin C! When meat is cooked or heated the Vitamin C is destroyed. As a result, there is no Vitamin C in a cooked dog food diet.[/font]
People are pretty ticked off at their banks! http://moneyland.time.com/2011/11/22/survey-americans-will-pull-185-billion-out-of-big-banks-next-year/?iid=pf-article-latest (http://moneyland.time.com/2011/11/22/survey-americans-will-pull-185-billion-out-of-big-banks-next-year/?iid=pf-article-latest) triffid
Plastic cash coming soon from canada! http://moneyland.time.com/2011/11/21/plastic-or-plastic-canada-is-saying-goodbye-to-paper-money/?iid=pf-article-mostpop1 (http://moneyland.time.com/2011/11/21/plastic-or-plastic-canada-is-saying-goodbye-to-paper-money/?iid=pf-article-mostpop1) plastic cash lasts twice as long as paper cash.
Another chinese swipe at replacing the us Dollar in world trade. http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1911671,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1911671,00.html)
Quote from: triffid on November 22, 2011, 10:28:28 AM
My source told me this stuff is not getting into the mainstream news.triffid
triffid,
This stuff
is getting into the mainstream news:
http://news.yahoo.com/italys-borrowing-rates-skyrocket-monti-scrambles-160735801.html
http://news.yahoo.com/welcome-hell-egypt-medics-struggle-tahrir-clinic-055057340.html
http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/25/markets/belgium_downgrade/index.htm?section=money_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_topstories+%28Top+Stories%29
I imagine there's more for the searching. This is all going "south" to me. I said I saw it coming about two years ago, and now I think it'll be here shortly.
Wilbyinebriated: I could have told you,
"I told you so," and now I think I will. People have free will, that why I didn't say exactly when. Not even you know that.
And this crap about you
want proof God exists? How about this: I know we're both going to die someday. I don't need proof of that. Change in life isn't a religion. It's real. If you can't see this, you're beyond help.
--Lee
I keep hearing about continuing job layoffs and I wonder why the USA is not bailing out Italy at less than one percent loan payback!!!Afterall its something the US government has a habit of doing!!!Italy is too big to FAIL.China props up the American economy right now.My ss or a portion of it comes from China.We are supposed to be sending aid to china.Nothing makes sense to me in this political climate. triffid
Belgium is famous for their chocolate.Soon they will be famous for their 100% debt of their gnp.triffid
We all know people who lived beyond their means.We all know people who wasted thousands of dollars on this and that.I had one man confess to me he wasted $60,000 in one year.Reckless--YES! But not fatal!I expect the same to be true of countries.triffid
Here is a really sorry aspect of the very rich.Those who do not care about what they do to the air and land that others have to live on.
Seems the koch brothers fall into that group. http://www.bravenewfoundation.org/2011/10/blog/exposing-the-koch-brothers-polluted-response/ (http://www.bravenewfoundation.org/2011/10/blog/exposing-the-koch-brothers-polluted-response/) triffid
What are the Koch brothers hiding if they won’t visit one of their own factories and company towns?[/font]
The Kochs ignored the invitation, instead resorting to smear tactics and deception, this time attacking David Bouie, a 64-year-old retired factory worker, in an attempt to duck responsibility for their $100 billion multinational corporation.[/font]
The Kochs’ defensiveness belies the facts. Rather than relocating the residents whose stories we told, the Koch brothers’ reaction demonstrates they’ve bought the system and they prefer to blame the victims for their illnesses.[/font]
In their smears, the Koch brothers’ message consultants turn their fire toward Cheryl Slavant, another protagonist in our film and the President of the Louisiana Environmental Action Network. She’s rightfully aghast by the terrible conditions surrounding the interstate Ouachita River, which is what’s fouling Mr. Bouie’s neighborhood on Penn Road.[/font]
The Koch brothers spin cannot acknowledge what our investigation and countless other credible reports have proven to be true: that the Koch brothers persuade a system to permit and tolerate their practices. The Koch brothers’ nameless spokespeople claim the EPA has debunked all Slavant’s claims so, ergo, the pollution emitted by Koch Industries and Georgia Pacific is safe, harmless and legal.[/font]
An EPA influenced by Charles and David Koch
Armed with more than $40 billion each and a private company unaccountable to anyone that generates $100 billion revenue annually, the Koch brothers are able to donate to politicians, foundations, non-profits and think tanks. These Koch supported groups lay the groundwork for incremental policy changes thatsupport the Koch brothers’ increasing corporate profits (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=266103216745807&set=pu.191794870843309&type=1&theater).[/font]
That the EPA is giving the green light to toxic pollution by the Koch brothers, or anyone else, is less a gold star for the Koch brothers than it is an indictment of our political system, which affords the wealthiest 1 percent a blank check at the expense of the bottom 99 percent.[/font]
The Koch brothers’ “fact checkers†say that air pollution control engineering expert William M. Auberle’s comments in our film describing GP’s pollution as “a ticking time bomb†is unrealistic. The government permits Koch Industries emissions.[/font]
That’s why we’re pleased to see some environmental groups confronting the EPA on these grounds. While the Kochs continue to donate heavily to Congress, there are groups appealing to the notion that we’re a nation of laws not men.[/font]
“The Clean Water Act does not allow our streams to be turned into industrial sewers,†says Barry Sulkin, the former Chief of Enforcement and Compliance for the Tennessee Division of Water Pollution Control and a director of Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility.[/font]
As Mr. Bouie wrote (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-greenwald/to-david-koch-will-you-be_b_1005158.html):[/font]David, if you’re reading this, I want to be your host at 401 South Penn Road. Come stay with me for one day, seven days, I don’t care. We can camp out, and you can smell what I smell. My wife and I will cook for you. I make great pork chops…
It’d be my hope we can have some time to go for a walk. You can see for yourself- the fog- and smell for yourself- the rotten air- that I live with every day.
And I pray that I might be able to convince you to clean up this mess and relocate us like Georgia-Pacific did for other communities like ours. Indeed, just as Georgia Pacific compensated Thurman Road residents for their relocation years ago, please be a good neighbor to us. We cannot relocate on our own.
We are ground zero.[/font]
The bottom line is this: When you count ALL of Washington’s obligations, the United States is in debt to the tune of over $145 trillion. That’s a staggering amount of debt that dwarfs Europe’s problems.
And, there’s simply no way the U.S. mountain of debt is ever going to get paid off by conventional means â€" by growing our way out of it, or by a combination of spending cuts (that even the Super Committee in Washington failed to agree on) and economic growth.
Nor is it going to be paid off by raising taxes in the U.S. either. Washington could raise personal income tax rates to 100% on everyone, and the $145 trillion debt morass would still not be paid off, at least not in our â€" or your grandchildren’s â€" lifetime.
The terribly weak U.S. dollar is also, I’m afraid to say, precisely what Washington wants and why ...
President Obama has been insisting that China push up the value of its currency, a de facto dollar devaluation.
It’s also why you haven’t seen President Obama talk much about Europe lately. In fact, while the mess in Europe has been reaching another crisis point, where was President Obama to be found?
In Asia, actively campaigning to line up support from other Asian countries to get China to revalue its currency higher, and the dollar, lower!
Secretary of State Clinton was doing much the same. She was traipsing all over that continent too, squaring up relationships with virtually all countries in Asia, except China.
Screw the US national debt. your NOT the US, USA corp, USA.INC USA.CO, or any other damned thing if you live on US soil your an American. its congresses debt, lets make those worthless parasites pay it.. but first we need to take their printing machine so they no longer have the implied authority to print paper on our behalf!
im just saying. Off the soapbox now.
Quote from: Moab on November 28, 2011, 07:41:04 PM
Screw the US national debt. your NOT the US, USA corp, USA.INC USA.CO, or any other damned thing if you live on US soil your an American. its congresses debt, lets make those worthless parasites pay it.. but first we need to take their printing machine so they no longer have the implied authority to print paper on our behalf!
im just saying. Off the soapbox now.
Okay, Moab, I see your point. And I agree. It's only that things are so far gone that it's probably too late. To wit, current issues:
1) Adjustable Rate Mortgages(ARMs) are raising the payment rates steadily to the point that only the
"1%" can afford a house. Mortgage defaults will rise unavoidably.
2) 14.5 million people lost their jobs and many,
many! will lose their unemployment benefits after 1 Jan '12. Without people spending on necessities, the economy will slow down. Badly in time.
3) Europe is teetering on a cliff edge as I write this. They borrow and borrow until no one will trust their national monetary units at all. America is doing the same thing with economic/political policy. The worst one is Calif. I live here! It's just like Greece for the same reasons. As Greece goes, Calif. goes; American goes.
4) Circumstantial: Egypt and Syria are vicious, drastic, dire and grave powder kegs that are going down a slippery slope toward civil war. Yemen is a close follower. The whole regional economy of N. Africa, Southern Europe and the Middle East are linked by trade to some extent. Immigrant Middle Eastern populations in Europe are a potentially unknown factor. And Europe can cause America to experience harsh side effects in an economic meltdown.
There is no good outcome as I see it. Hence the title of this thread. But you're right that the politicians have made poor decisions. Some others around the world did, too.
--Lee
Heres a cute lil story. After reading, think about how they will use this to wipe us out 1 by 1. Or use it on people that have an organic garden in their back yard. etc. etc.
Really, the only thing holding them back as much as feebly possible, is the law. Because the law works in our favor "sometimes".
Well, talk about game changers...............
http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/28/indefinite-domestic-military-detention/
Mags
Researcher Kent Arnspiger recently exposed grocery
stores for their poor planning. They only carry 3-4
days worth of food (that’s gone in hours during a
crisis) so you won’t be able to get your hands on things
your family needs to live â€" unless you have it in advance.[/size]The Mayo Clinic recommends you drink about 2 liters of water every day. How much water would you have if, God forbid, terrorists poisoned our water supply or nuclear fallout made rainwater undrinkable? (If you’ve got bonus #1 this isn’t a concern)[/size]And worst of all Fox News reports “…lack of acreage [in the US]… will usher in a significant food shortage.â€[/size]So we need to stockpile what we can.From the stores now.I have bought extra cans today of beans ,corn, and pineapple.Extra crackers.Toilet paper is a luxury.So are diapers.What I wanted to talk about today is Belgium.Its poised to be another Ireland.Its public debt is set to reach 97.2% of its gross domestic product in 2012.triffid[/size]
Here is a little backup on that article I first posted the other day. Believe or not. ;]
http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/29/rand-paul-aims-to-kill-%E2%80%9Cindefinite-detention%E2%80%9D-provision-of-controversial-bill/ (http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/29/rand-paul-aims-to-kill-%E2%80%9Cindefinite-detention%E2%80%9D-provision-of-controversial-bill/)
Excerpt...
With the bill expected to be up for a vote within 48 hours, Senator Rand Paul has offered an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that will kill a provision allowing the military to detain individuals, including American citizens, without trial or due process.
The “indefinite detention†sections of the NDAA bill would turn the whole of the United States into a “battlefield†and hand the executive branch the power to have the military arrest U.S. citizens and hold them without trial.
Mags
Looks like it doesnt matter who became president this term.....
http://theintelhub.com/2011/11/30/mccain-justifies-indefinite-detention-of-american-citizens-with-debunked-statistics-video/
Mags
Looks like Chinas growth is slowing down and that could take the rest of Europe and the USA down. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/markets-focus-europe-china-may-190757262.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/markets-focus-europe-china-may-190757262.html) triffid
China's move this week to keep its economy afloat isn't generating the big headlines that Europe's actions got, but is no less important in keeping the world's economic engine churning.[/size]
While coordinated action by the world's other central banks to enhance liquidity for Europe's banks stole the focus Wednesday, China's decision to cut reserve requirements for banks (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AqBliPi_qjvM._BthIoRJtGCuodG;_ylu=X3oDMTFqMDgxZXM0BG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQXJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTJ0Y2YxNjM0BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMjFhMTk3YjYtNjdiYi0zODkwLTlkZTMtYTUyODNmYzAzODZjBHBzdGNhdANuZXdzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=0/SIG=11j6ujfi7/EXP=1323985662/**http%3A//www.cnbc.com/id/45499455) was even more important, some believe.[/size]
That's because the developed world has come to depend on China for a variety of reasons - from buying up American debt to providing loans to growing businesses to keeping its mighty manufacturing base growing.[/size]
Easing the amount of money banks have to keep on hand, as the People's Bank of China did with a lowering of the rate by half a percentage point, helps accomplish those goals by keeping the lending spigots flowing.[/size]
So Chinas manufacturing base is contracting for the first time in three years.
Easing the amount of money banks have to keep on hand, as the People's Bank of China did with a lowering of the rate by half a percentage point, helps accomplish those goals by keeping the lending spigots flowing.[/size]
"A change in the reserve requirement literally either frees up or delimits real lending by that nation's banks," hedge fund manager Dennis Gartman told subscribers to The Gartman Letter. "A lowering - or raising - of funding costs is a fly on the mule's skin, but a change in the reserve requirement is a board laid straight away to the mule's forehead."[/size]
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Worries over China's economic growth have come as a surprise. Whereas the nation actually had been trying to slow down and control inflation that peaked above 6 percent over the summer, it now finds itself fighting to avoid a slowdown triggered by the European crisis.[/size]
Fresh data Thursday showed the Chinese factory sector contracting for the first time in three years (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AnJdqqcoh5SMwMh2Vjwkg3mCuodG;_ylu=X3oDMTFqaWd2Ymg3BG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzIEc2VjA01lZGlhQXJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTJ0Y2YxNjM0BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMjFhMTk3YjYtNjdiYi0zODkwLTlkZTMtYTUyODNmYzAzODZjBHBzdGNhdANuZXdzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=0/SIG=11j5jg7q6/EXP=1323985800/**http%3A//www.cnbc.com/id/45501162), as a purchasing managers' index slipped to 49.0, the lowest since February 2009.[/size]
Gartman asserted, then, that the change to the reserve rate requirement in China trumps the decision by six major central banks, including the U.S. Federal Reserve , to cut the interest rate charged for currency swaps (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AvHUqAiws9OcrAgJWwVr8jOCuodG;_ylu=X3oDMTFqaTNjbzlmBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzMEc2VjA01lZGlhQXJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTJ0Y2YxNjM0BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMjFhMTk3YjYtNjdiYi0zODkwLTlkZTMtYTUyODNmYzAzODZjBHBzdGNhdANuZXdzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=0/SIG=11johg6fg/EXP=1323985800/**http%3A//www.cnbc.com/id/45501391). That move essentially lowers the cost of liquidity injections into areas, Europe in particular, that may need it should markets freeze up.[/size]
PEIX is the north American largest producer and distributor of ethanol.If you believe that ethanol will still be valuable as a renewable energy source then you might want to invest in it.Shares are $1.25 a share today.
His book is being sold on amazon.com He wrote a novel on the suppression of cancer cures but I believe that the suppression is real enough.
heres a little bit about the author---Ethan Evers has a PhD in Applied Science and received his MBA from the Kellogg School of Management. Working for over ten years in Product Development in a Fortune Global 500 company, he is the inventor of technologies covered by over thirty patents granted internationally. Ethan became intrigued by natural medicine when a family member used it to hold her cancer at bay for years before finally succumbing to the terrible disease. After years of researching the subject, he became appalled at how the cancer industry and a very complicit mass media appear to be underreporting-if not ignoring-an ever increasing mass of bona-fide science which supports alternative and natural medicine, even when that science is published in peer-reviewed medical journals. Ethan has worked and lived in the United States, Japan, and Canada, and currently lives in Europe with his family. The Eden Prescription is his first book. triffid[/size]
I do believe that the concentration camps for Americans are coming simply because it happened before with the Japanese Americans in WW11.
History will repeat itself with some sort of crisis and within months of being detained supplies of food,blankets,heating oil ,etc will be running low.Once again a great tribute to our great leaders.They will show us we are far safer by locking them up than to allow them their freedom to be productive citizens.Than to allow them to have and operate businesses.Its better to sit in prison than to grow food on farms.They will say.
Farms are where they can get fertilizer for bombs,etc.Its enough to make my head hurt from all of the" what ifs".triffid
I don't believe It!!! Europe does not want our biodiesel and tells us so by slapping a tariff on it!So third parties get in on it.
Biodiesel production may die in the USA if certain tax credits are not extended!!!Once again a ploy to keep the oil companies in charge.
http://domesticfuel.com/2009/09/08/hero-bx-biodiesel-plans-to-lead-green-energy-revolution/ (http://domesticfuel.com/2009/09/08/hero-bx-biodiesel-plans-to-lead-green-energy-revolution/) triffid
MORE BIODIESEL PROBLEMS IN EUROPE[/font][/size]
BRUSSELS (Reuters) â€" Europe’s biofuels industry said on Thursday it would lodge a complaint with EU trade authorities against companies they say are evading duties slapped on U.S. biodiesel imports.[/font][/size]
The European Commission, which oversees trade policy for the 27-nation bloc, imposed anti-dumping and anti-subsidy duties of up to five years on imports of biodiesel from the United States in May.[/font][/size]
But the Brussels-based European Biodiesel Board (EBB) said it had strong indications subsidized and dumped U.S. biodiesel continues to enter the EU market, either via third countries based on fraudulent declarations of origin, or through blends.[/font][/size]
“Against the background of persisting circumvention practices, the EBB General Assembly decided to proceed with the lodging of an anti-circumvention complaint to the EU trade authorities,†the group said in a statement.[/font][/size]
“If and when established, these practices will lead to heavy and retroactive financial penalties,†it said.[/font][/size]
The EBB said it would file the complaint in coming weeks, but did not identify companies it suspected were involved, nor gave figures, but a spokeswoman said the volumes involved were “substantial.â€[/font][/size]
The EU’s anti-subsidy duties applied to imports of pure biodiesel and fossil diesel/biofuel blends with more than 20 percent biodiesel content.[/font][/size]
“We are seeing biodiesel blends not covered by the measures entering the European market,†the spokeswoman said.[/font][/size]
“We also suspect that pure U.S. biodiesel is being re-exported to Europe via third countries and re-labeled, especially in Canada.â€[/font][/size]
“These two scenarios are in our opinion strongly undermining the effect of the EU duties.â€[/font][/size]
Under the duties imposed by the Commission, U.S. agricultural processors and ethanol producers such as Archer Daniels Midland faced an additional duty of 359 euros ($541) per metric tonne of biodiesel exported to the EU.[/font][/size]
Let’s face it. Biodiesel can use all the help it can get.[/font][/size]
The production of biodiesel is being assisted by a $1 per gallon tax credit for companies that blend biodiesel with petroleum diesel. Passed in 2004, the subsidy helps to make biodiesel competitive with petroleum diesel and there was a boom in the construction of biodiesel plants soon after the legislation was passed.[/font][/size]
In 2007, legislation was passed in the U.S. Congress that is supposed to require the blending of 500 million gallons of biodiesel by 2009. And that was supposed to double to 1 billion in 2012.[/font][/size]
The Environmental Protection Agency is tasked to execute the requirements of the law. And, while things have been going along fairly smoothly concerning ethanol, the agency has not approved any rules pertaining to biodiesel. To make matters worse for the industry, there are new European trade barriers that block the export of U.S. made biodiesel to Europe. Many producers were depending on the European market until the U.S. market could grow.[/font][/size]
The result of all this is a reduction in the number of biodiesel plants in the U.S. For example Texas, which had 31 plants with the total production capacity of 726 million gallons a year, has seen half of them close. The problem is that diesel is not very popular in the U.S. Currently, biodiesel plants in the U.S. have the ability to produce about 2.5 billion gallons a year. However, more than half of that capacity is not being used.[/font][/size]
Now the $1 per gallon tax credit is supposed to expire on December 31. There is legislation pending in both houses of Congress to extend the credit. But it is said that the bill in the House of Representatives will have to be attached to another bill to give it any chance of passage. Moreover, the Congress is now emerged in other seemingly more important issues like healthcare and global warming. The biodiesel industry is fearful that the legislation will not pass before the end of the year.[/font][/size]
And even if the bill is passed in early 2010 and the credit is granted retroactively, the biodiesel industry will still suffer. That’s because producers just don’t have the capital to keep going with hopes that a bill will be passed. Companies that buy the biodiesel and then blend it to get the credit won’t buy the biodiesel if there is no tax credit. Analysts are actually saying that if the bill is not passed, then that could mean the death of the biodiesel industry in the U.S.[/font][/size]
Needless to say, the industry is worried. And the clock keeps ticking.[/font][/size]
So the credit may not have been extended?Its 2011 now so that may have been a year ago?So biodiesel production is cut in half?In 2010?
What are we doing to ourselves?Biodiesel is sustainable so is ethanol I at least found a stock for that.PEIX.I do intend to buy some shares in it.triffid
Bad news the credit was allowed to expire the end of 2009.
While heating oil dealers and consumers likely appreciate Massachusetts’s cautious approach aimed at keeping heating oil and diesel prices down, the suspension of the biofuel mandate is terrible news for the state’s biofuel producers. The decision dealt a heavy blow to an industry already weakened by a federal $1-per-gallon tax credit that was allowed to expire at the end of 2009. The tax credit has been added to and cut out of several bills this year, but has not been passed by both houses of Congress. The credit is currently under consideration in the Senate as part of the American Jobs and Closing Tax Loopholes Act (H.R. 4213). A June 30 motion to adjourn debate on the bill and put it to a vote did not pass, so it is hard to determine when, if ever, the bill will pass out of Congress and onto the president’s desk.[/font][/size]
A ghastly reminder of what war is like.Hopefully it will not get this bad here in the usa with the concentration camps. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUpUfTYUjt8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUpUfTYUjt8) triffid
Since the end of France's occupation of Algeria in 1962, there has been little debate about the French colonization campaign in North Africa and its subsequent efforts at maintaining the colony. Very few people have dared to re-examine the atrocities committed by colonizing states in many parts of the world in the last two centuries. Among the worst atrocities were those committed by France in Algeria between 1830 and 1962.
France invaded Algiers in June 1830 under the excuse of fighting piracy and avenging an affront caused by Hussein Dey's reprimand of the French ambassador over the failure to pay a long-standing debt owed to the Algiers regency, which was recognized as a sovereign state by the United States and most of Europe. According to many historians, the main reason for the military assault on Algiers was the need of French ruler Charles X to build up his weak popularity and power at home. After Algiers fell to the invading forces, it took more than forty years of violent and highly destructive military campaigns to control the rest of the country.
The French occupied Algeria for 132 years and imposed a series of policies which aimed at controlling the territory and its people by all means possible, opening the country to European settlers, and extracting substantial economic and geostrategic benefits. These policies, which were systematically and violently implemented, had devastating human, social and economic consequences.
In the late 1830s French rule in Algeria was entrusted to the military, which was ordered to pacify the country by all means and to facilitate the immigration of European settlers (mainly from France, Italy, and Spain). Command was given to General Thomas Bugeaud, who was named Governor General of Algeria in 1840. His army of 108,000 troops tracked down Algerians, tortured, humiliated, and killed them, or expelled them from their lands and villages. He conducted a long military campaign against the Algerian resistance, which was led by Emir Abdel-Qader. Bugeaud finally defeated this early resistance, but not without allowing and encouraging his troops to commit horrible crimes against the Algerians.
The crimes associated with this "pacification" campaign reached their peak in 1845, when hundreds of people were burned alive or asphyxiated in caves where they sought refuge from the advancing French troops that were conducting large scale razzia (systematic raids on villages). The raiding French troops burned, destroyed or stole property, food, and animal stocks; they also raped women and killed villagers in great numbers. The violent acts committed at that time against the indigenous population, and which today would constitute internationally recognized crimes, were documented in several witness accounts and reports such as the one issued by a royal commission in 1883.
At the end of World War II in Europe, large-scale, peaceful demonstrations were organized, and on May 8 demonstrators throughout Algeria voiced their demands for independence. The most notable demonstrations took place in the northeastern cities of Setif, Guelma, Kherrata, Bejaia, Annaba, and Souk-Ahras. The demonstrators were met with hostile gun fire and physical attacks, both from settlers and from the French security forces. An Algerian carrying the then-prohibited Algerian flag was shot to death in Setif by a policeman, touching off riots. General Duval, commander of the military division of the province of Constantine, called in the air force and paratroopers, who responded to the demonstrators with such extreme violence that 45,000 Algerians were killed within a few days.
The Algerians began a well-coordinated push for independence, while France employed every means available to quell the uprising, including military repression, collective punishment, torture, and even concentration camps.
The International Red Cross disclosed the widespread use of torture by the French army and police against thousands of Algerians. After that, information about the French treatment of Algerians became available to the wider public. The torture techniques used by the French included electricity applied to the most sensitive parts of the body, near drowning in water, sodomy with glass and wood objects, hanging by the feet and hands, and burning with cigarettes.Category:News & Politics (http://www.youtube.com/news)Tags:
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Im not knocking France but history is doomed to repeat itself if we do not remember it. Under different names and different places.Peoples lives are destroyed for some great cause?triffid
http://theintelhub.com/2011/12/02/the-entire-united-states-is-now-a-war-zone-s-1867-passes-the-senate-with-massive-support/
http://theintelhub.com/2011/12/02/obama-lawyers-citizens-targeted-if-at-war-with-us/
Mags
Yeah mags,I see it coming.triffid
American airlines filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy Nov.29.Means lots of job losses as they cut 10% of their costs.Tulsa,okla will be hard hit.triffid
This article actually has some good news on the economy.120,000 new jobs created in nov. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/02/us-usa-fed-idUSTRE7B11EH20111202 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/02/us-usa-fed-idUSTRE7B11EH20111202) triffid
Herman Cain has ended his presidential bid http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/herman-cain-suspends-presidential-campaign-184541824.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/herman-cain-suspends-presidential-campaign-184541824.html) triffid
Bill Clinton all over again except now he will not be president--But over the next several weeks, the number of allegations increased. Women began to come forward publicly, with details of the accusations. Slowly, Cain's base of support began to fade, as conservatives still not content with supporting former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney looked for a new candidate to back.[/size]The final death warrant for Cain's hopes for a campaign that stretched into 2012 came when Ginger White, a longtime friend of Cain's, came forward to say that she had sustained a sexual relationship with Cain for several years. She provided cell phone records to prove that they had, in fact, known each other over the years.[/size]
Unlike the prior allegations, the response from Cain's lawyer did not issue a denial, but rather a defense that said that the media should not inquire about his "private sexual life."[/size]
I wasnt really for Cain anyway.Its a reminder to keep your nose clean if you want to run for president of the USA.triffid
State of michigan may step in to take over Detroit,mich. http://news.yahoo.com/state-michigan-may-step-run-detroit-212456115.html (http://news.yahoo.com/state-michigan-may-step-run-detroit-212456115.html)
triffid
The governor has taken steps in that direction, proposing an unprecedented move that could give an appointed manager virtually unchecked power to gut union contracts, cut employee health insurance and slash services. But city leaders bristle at the notion. Said the mayor: "This is our city. Detroit needs to be run by Detroiters."[/size]
If it happens, Detroit would be the largest American city ever taken over by a state. Michigan has seized control of smaller struggling cities, but until now Detroit was always off-limits.[/size]
That changed this week, when Republican Gov. Rick Snyder's administration said it would begin a review of Detroit's precarious finances. If the governor concludes that the city's economic situation constitutes an emergency, he could dispatch a manager who could push the mayor and city council to the sidelines.[/size]
It's not clear how everyday services like trash pickup and bus routes would be affected, but the fixer's mission would be clear: Do whatever it takes to stop the bleeding.[/size]
The same fate has befallen other cities.[/size]
Atlantic City agreed in 2010 to let New Jersey take over its finances in an arrangement that allowed the city to spread a $9.5 million deficit over five years, sparing homeowners and businesses a significant property tax increase.[/size]
In Pennsylvania, Gov. Tom Corbett signed a law in October enabling a takeover of Harrisburg.[/size]
New York City had a brush with bankruptcy in the mid-1970s, but the rescue package put together by then-Gov. Hugh Carey stopped short of a full state takeover.[/size]
"It terms of a city, I think Detroit stands alone," said Michael LaFaive, director of fiscal policy at Michigan's Mackinac Center for Public Policy, a nonpartisan group that espouses free markets.[/size]
An emergency financial manager would have the power to privatize utility departments, as well as the bus system and other agencies. A manager also could sell off city-owned parking lots and even Belle Isle, Detroit's popular island park, LaFaive said.[/size]
That person could even cut the pay of the mayor and city council members.[/size]
In a 2001 report, LaFaive wrote about Detroit's burgeoning fiscal problems and recommended privatization, contracting out services and ways to generate revenue.[/size]
Amazing news today! Nasa found an earthtype planet with a temp of 72 dregrees F.
The potentially habitable alien world (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Aq_7HhAeIa_JQ4lnZKkvne8bANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFqaWd2Ymg3BG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzIEc2VjA01lZGlhQXJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTA1bmkzZDc4BHRlc3QD;_ylv=0/SIG=130l8pleo/EXP=1324335061/**http%3A//www.space.com/12915-habitable-alien-planet-hd-85512b-super-earth.html), a first for Kepler, orbits a star very much like our own sun. The discovery brings scientists one step closer to finding a planet like our own â€" one which could conceivably harbor life, scientists said.[/size]
"We're getting closer and closer to discovering the so-called 'Goldilocks planet,'" Pete Worden, director of NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif., said during a press conference today. [Gallery: The Strangest Alien Planets (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AolKuAkoAArvWW2bp9u6IsUbANEA;_ylu=X3oDMTFqaTNjbzlmBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzMEc2VjA01lZGlhQXJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTA1bmkzZDc4BHRlc3QD;_ylv=0/SIG=129s7r6me/EXP=1324335061/**http%3A//www.space.com/159-strangest-alien-planets.html)][/size]
The newfound planet in the habitable zone is called Kepler-22b. It is located about 600 light-years away, orbiting a sun-like star.[/size]
Kepler-22b's radius is 2.4 times that of Earth, and the two planets have roughly similar temperatures. If the greenhouse effect operates there similarly to how it does on Earth, the average surface [/size]
http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-telescope-confirms-alien-planet-habitable-zone-162005358.html (http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-telescope-confirms-alien-planet-habitable-zone-162005358.html)
The Kepler team released data from its first 13 months of operation back in February, announcing that the instrument had detected 1,235 planet candidates, including 54 in the habitable zone and 68 that are roughly Earth-size.[/size]
Of the total 2,326 candidate planets that Kepler has found to date, 207 are approximately Earth-size. More of them, 680, are a bit larger than our planet, falling into the "super-Earth" category. The total number of candidate planets in the habitable zones of their stars is now 48.[/size]
To date, just over two dozen of these potential exoplanets have been confirmed, but Kepler scientists have estimated that at least 80 percent of the instrument's discoveries should end up being the real deal.[/size]
Now that we have at least a dozen more earths to visit.Maybe we can get fired up about visiting them?triffid
Make that 48! The total number of candidate planets in the habitable zones of their stars is now 48.
That we know about today!12/5/2011.triffid
Kepler-22b has a radius which is 2.4 times of the earth.So we would all weigh more!triffid
A news broadcast announcing the find!http://www.cbc.ca/video/?/News/Technology%20and%20Science/ID=2173810319/#/News/Technology_and_Science/1244504143/ID=2173810319 (http://www.cbc.ca/video/?/News/Technology%20and%20Science/ID=2173810319/#/News/Technology_and_Science/1244504143/ID=2173810319)
Determining the planet’s composition rests in part on measuring its mass â€" how heavy it is. The Kepler telescope is unable to make this measurement, but ground-based telescopes can by watching the planet tugging on its star. Telescopes in Hawaii and elsewhere will attempt these measurements when the star comes into view next summer, Borucki said.[/size][/font]
Besides its balmy temperature, Kepler-22b shares other intriguing similarities with Earth. The planet’s home star, some 600 light years distant and near the constellation Cygnus, is “almost a solar twin,†Batahla said. That means the light hitting the planet’s surface would be almost the same color as the light hitting Earth. And Kepler-22b’s year is almost the same length as an Earth year: 290 days instead of 365.[/size][/font]
Finding Kepler-22b required a bit of luck. The Kepler telescope first spied the planet crossing the face of its star just days after the telescope became operational in 2009, Borucki said. As Kepler kept staring, it witnessed two more crossings, one of which occurred just days before the telescope was set to go offline for a few weeks. The third crossing happened just before Christmas last year.[/size][/font]
more of the same article. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/newest-alien-planet-is-just-the-right-temperature-for-life/2011/12/05/gIQAPk1vWO_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/newest-alien-planet-is-just-the-right-temperature-for-life/2011/12/05/gIQAPk1vWO_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage)
Its amazing that we can discover a whole new world to pollute.Hopefully by the time we can get there we will have evolved beyond where we are now.Hopefully we will have learned not to pollute living worlds.triffid
http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=A2KLqIUEvN1OZDoAblD7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBncGdyMzQ0BHNlYwNzZWFyY2gEdnRpZAM-?p=the+magic+of+tin+cans&ei=utf-8&n=21&tnr=20 (http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=A2KLqIUEvN1OZDoAblD7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBncGdyMzQ0BHNlYwNzZWFyY2gEdnRpZAM-?p=the+magic+of+tin+cans&ei=utf-8&n=21&tnr=20)
Locate your lost money! Special program om GMA this morning! I found less than $100 for me and $150 My dead brother left behind for his daughter. http://gma.yahoo.com/unclaimed-money/;_ylt=AsPsaWIyIu5TBk1HvYCDxD.rn.R_;_ylu=X3oDMTE0dGpya2NzBG1pdAMEcG9zAzIEc2VjA01lZGlhTmF2aWdhdGlvbl9Nb25leQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFwdnZudW00BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANtb25leQRwdANzZWN0aW9ucwR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=3 (http://gma.yahoo.com/unclaimed-money/;_ylt=AsPsaWIyIu5TBk1HvYCDxD.rn.R_;_ylu=X3oDMTE0dGpya2NzBG1pdAMEcG9zAzIEc2VjA01lZGlhTmF2aWdhdGlvbl9Nb25leQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFwdnZudW00BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANtb25leQRwdANzZWN0aW9ucwR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=3)
happy hunting!triffid
http://www.missingmoney.com/ (http://www.missingmoney.com/) and www.unclaimed.org are free to start your search.
More websites to find your missing cash! thanks to GMA! http://abcnews.go.com/Business/show-money-top-10-tips-find-unclaimed-cash/story?id=14318083#.Tt6L52N4Nyw (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/show-money-top-10-tips-find-unclaimed-cash/story?id=14318083#.Tt6L52N4Nyw) triffid
Some amazing solar powered stirling engines. http://www.squidoo.com/stirling-engine-work-and-importance-in-solar-thermal-technology-to-generate-free-energy (http://www.squidoo.com/stirling-engine-work-and-importance-in-solar-thermal-technology-to-generate-free-energy) I think we could power our cars using heat from the sun.triffid
A new stirling car.Im not so crazy afterall! http://www.stirling-king.com/?gclid=CKTg7eqC76wCFQYBQAodNBzHIQ (http://www.stirling-king.com/?gclid=CKTg7eqC76wCFQYBQAodNBzHIQ) only a model but the idea exists!triffid
More bad news about jobs!Here's a quick, fascinating followup to last week's monthly unemployment numbers...[/size][/size]
As we reported, one big reason that the national jobless rate dropped in November to 8.6 percent, from 9 percent was that the labor force shrank by 315,000 people (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/unemployment-drops-8-6-percent-economy-adds-120-151403762.html), as discouraged workers stopped looking.[/size]
But the New York Times notes (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AmIJZcFpHfsyBWWaf2p0HUvzWed_;_ylu=X3oDMTFkZWgzYnZwBG1pdANCbG9nIEJvZHkEcG9zAzIEc2VjA01lZGlhQmxvZ0JvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNkdTM3MmRxBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDYTA0YTczNWMtNTRmYi0zYjkwLTgwMDktYjAzM2JhODljOGYwBHBzdGNhdANvcmlnaW5hbHN8dGhlbG9va291dARwdANzdG9yeXBhZ2UEdGVzdAM-;_ylv=0/SIG=13u35aa37/EXP=1324602023/**http%3A//economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/employed-women-dropping-out-of-the-labor-force/%23more-138283) that what's even more surprising is that the number of men in the workforce actually rose last month, by about 23,000. Meanwhile, the number of women fell by 339,000 (because of rounding, the numbers don't add up to 315,000).[/size]
What explains the gender gap? It's worth noting that 58 percent of the women who left the labor force were employed in October - so for them, it wasn't a case of growing discouraged after months of fruitless searching for work. Catherine Rampell of the Times writes: "I would guess that most of them, though, were laid-off workers who had not yet started looking for a new job. After all, state and local governments are shedding workers in large numbers, and most state and local workers are women."[/size]
Sounds plausible. And of course, many of those laid-off government workers, especially in big states like California and New York, are teachers, who are even more likely to be women. So that probably plays into it as well.[/size]
A third of the jobless in Iowa have been looking for work for over six months.http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/jobless-iowa-third-state-unemployed-looking-six-months-130045235.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/jobless-iowa-third-state-unemployed-looking-six-months-130045235.html) triffid
But for many people in Iowa, the most important day-to-day concern is the state's struggle, along with the rest of the country, to throw off the effects of the Great Recession and the halting recovery that's followed.[/size]
Although low by national standards, Iowa's official unemployment rate has spiked to 6 percent--around 99,000 people--from 3.7 percent in 2007, before the economic downturn began. And jobless spells are lasting longer than ever. Iowa's long-term unemployment rate--the share of the 99,000 unemployed who have been out of work for 6 months or more--is 34 percent, nearly twice what it was before the downturn began.[/size]
"We look better, it sounds better, it feels better," said David Swenson, an economist who teaches at Iowa State University. "But in fact we have a lot of the stresses and the consequences of the recession that the rest of the nation has."[/size]
Compounding the problem, the recession exacerbated a nationwide trend that was already underway: a shift toward jobs with lower pay and fewer hours. The jobs gained in Iowa since the recession officially ended in 2009 pay more than $5,000 less (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AulAVcXJGEKiwXZ3DC4NXWabCMZ_;_ylu=X3oDMTFka3BkYnE0BG1pdANCbG9nIEJvZHkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQmxvZ0JvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNjMDJyajA0BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDZjcyNjdiNzktZjE4ZS0zODdhLTg5ZjEtODRlZjBkNTZlMDY3BHBzdGNhdANvcmlnaW5hbHN8dGhldGlja2V0BHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=0/SIG=12gko23p2/EXP=1324602669/**http%3A//www.iowapolicyproject.org/2011docs/110902-SWI2011.pdf), on average, than those lost during the downturn, according to a recent report by the Iowa Policy Project, a union-backed group. Iowa is one of only three states in which wages for low-, median-, and high-wage workers were all lower last year, after adjusting for inflation, than they were a decade earlier. Colette Noble said she'd be "thrilled" to get a job that paid 60 or 70 percent of what she was making before.[/size]
Workers of all ages have been hit hard, but Iowans between the ages of 25 and 54 saw a greater rise in unemployment than their younger and older cohorts, the report found. "People that are in their 40s and 50s are not finding work," Swenson said.[/size]
So the trend is towards hiring younger and cheaper workers.All over the nation.But according to Ron Paul higher prices in food and gas are coming.Because the feds lowered interest rates on currency swaps between nations.What this means there is more fiat money out there which will lead to more inflation.So food prices will double or even triple here as they already have in europe. 1-888-322-1414 and hear it from ron paul himself this week!Thats the number to his hotline.His update changes every week on mondays.triffid
The reality is that a lot of peoples lives have been turned upside.Others are just trying to get by. Larry Colbert has been living at[/size] [/size]Central Iowa Shelter and Services (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AqrJQ57EeJvwrFL8hqpKQKubCMZ_;_ylu=X3oDMTFkMmFzbGIwBG1pdANCbG9nIEJvZHkEcG9zAzQEc2VjA01lZGlhQmxvZ0JvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNjMDJyajA0BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDZjcyNjdiNzktZjE4ZS0zODdhLTg5ZjEtODRlZjBkNTZlMDY3BHBzdGNhdANvcmlnaW5hbHN8dGhldGlja2V0BHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=0/SIG=11i4kh4nf/EXP=1324603372/**http%3A//centraliowashelter.org/)[/size][/color], a homeless shelter, after being unable to find permanent work in Kansas City and Des Moines. Colbert, who is 37, was laid off from his job with a lawn services company two years ago. He lost his apartment after being thrown off unemployment benefits. For the last few weeks he has worked temporary jobs, collecting trash and moving materials on construction sites. It's a blow to his pride.[/size]"I wish I could help myself," said Colbert, sitting at a plastic table in the shelter's main hall. "I don't look for the public to help me. I'd rather do it myself. But it's just been a struggle, man."[/size]
Last week, Colette Noble told her son's Catholic school that he was being moved to a public school as a cost-cutting measure. "I'm not gonna say that's a hardship," she said. "But for him, his world's been turned upside down."[/size]
Noble recently tried to change the payment schedule on her mortgage. But her lender wouldn't agree to the change because she wasn't working. She wasn't eligible for a mortgage modification program, she was told.[/size]
Just another excuse for a too large to fail and bailed out bank to refuse to help a mortgageholder.Remember I told you guys that less than 10 percent of those applying received any kind of help at All?
Noble recently tried to change the payment schedule on her [color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]mortgage[/color]. But her lender wouldn't agree to the change because she wasn't working. She wasn't eligible for a mortgage modification program, she was told.[/size]
http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~khirata/english/mk_can.htm (http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~khirata/english/mk_can.htm) how to build a tin can sterling engine.triffid
http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~khirata/english/make.htm (http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~khirata/english/make.htm) more engine plans
Some comments on using sterling engines for cars
Innovative potential:[/size] Old-style stirling engines did not perform nearly as well as their internal combustion cousins. Their low power-to-weight and power-to-size ratios made them unreasonable candidates for automotive power plants. There were a few attempts at powering automobiles with stirling engines but consumers wanted more 'pep'. Stirling engines can often take several minutes to warm up & deliver useful power. With space-age materials, however, the stirling engine is freed from these limitations. [/size]Stirling HEV's (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=stirling+hev)[/font][/size] may be the transportation of the future..[/size]
There may be half a million earthtype planets in our galaxy alone! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/may-500-000-earth-planets-galaxy-alone-192855359.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/may-500-000-earth-planets-galaxy-alone-192855359.html) think of all that real estate!triffid
As of 2009, graphene appears to be one of the strongest materials ever tested. Measurements have shown that graphene has a breaking strength (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_strength) 200 times greater than steel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel), with a tensile strength of 130 GPa (19,000,000 psi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pounds_per_square_inch)).[125] However, the process of separating it from graphite, where it occurs naturally, will require some technological development before it is economical enough to be used in industrial processes,[126] though this may be changing soon.[127]
Quote from: triffid on December 08, 2011, 08:07:43 PM
A third of the jobless in Iowa have been looking for work for over six months.http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/jobless-iowa-third-state-unemployed-looking-six-months-130045235.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/jobless-iowa-third-state-unemployed-looking-six-months-130045235.html) triffid
Speaking of which, triffid, the job I said I had in engineering? I thought was a sure thing?
Not so sure. I lost my least and now I'm scrambling for shelter that leading to permanent housing. On what I get from the Govt., it isn't much. I mentally cross my fingers. :( :P
Now I know what a homeless worker feels daily from trying to survive.
--Lee
http://theintelhub.com/2011/12/10/all-the-vaccines-are-contaminated-%E2%80%93-every-last-one-of-them/
"Children will be the ones decide whether to take the vaccines, and they will make that decision after being forced to see videos of people dying terrible deaths from cancer. Not only would the vaccine be given without parental consent, but parents are denied knowledge that the vaccine is going to be given or that it was given. If the child has a seizure or dies afterward, parents may not see their own children’s medical records."
Mags
http://vodpod.com/watch/15730762-nikola-tesla-unlimited-free-energy-forever-they-dont-want-you-to-know-about-video (http://vodpod.com/watch/15730762-nikola-tesla-unlimited-free-energy-forever-they-dont-want-you-to-know-about-video)
this is nearly a two hour video on free energy inventors.Tom Bearden is the narrater it seems.Troy Reed was in it a Tulsan like myself.I have a personal friend who met him.Cold fusion is not dead by any means.Japan has no oil interests to keep them from developing free energy.So look to japan for the first mass produced free energy devices.Free energy is coming.no doubt about it.triffid
Troy Reed died a few years back.So the clip of him is old.I never met him but my friend did and my friend showed me a 15 minute video of one of his early magnet motors about 1990.triffid
Lee check your pm.
hi mags,In 1976 a young man of 24 years of age took a flu shot and promptly died.He was the same age as me.That taught me to leave well enough alone .I have had only two tetanus shots since then.triffid
The economic power concentrated in the hands of a few on Wall Street can be compared to the total power exercised by a Mohamar Gaddafi and his clan or a Hasni Mubarak and his cronies. We all know Wall Street sold the world securities they knew were bad, causing untold financial suffering - and yet those that profited handsomely from their wrongdoing went unprosecuted and unpunished.[/font][/size]
Some call themselves the Tea Party Movement. Others call themselves the “Occupy Wall Street†movement. Both are trying to reclaim a democracy “of the people, by the people, for the people.â€[/font][/size]
Both are examples of a populist democracy at work. This is not a bad thing in my opinion. If big business can spend billions a year lobbying Congress why should not ordinary citizens publicly voice their opinion of big business in the streets. All democracies guarantee freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.[/font][/size]
Is it undemocratic to be angry at the state of America and other western nations.[/font][/size]
America is broken. Both sides of the political spectrum recognize that. Wealth in America, like wealth in Egypt and Libya, is concentrated in an economic and political elite. An elite that has the money and political power to have stacked the game in their favor.[/font][/size]
In our history classes we learned about the “Robber Barons†of the 19th and early 20th centuries. In the 21st Century, Robber Barons still exist. Their names are Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley and others. Unlike the Robber Barons of the past, they don’t build railroads, or factories, or search for oil. Instead they trade paper back and forth as derivatives or currencies or asset backed securities.[/font][/size]
It is time for a change. I expect this Populist movement to spread across the western world.[/font][/size]
In the nearly two hour free energy video I posted a link to Paul Pantone with his Geet motor was featured.Its not new news except to me that he is no longer locked up and his technology is moving right along.He has been released since August 2009.Here is a link to him.Someone is now selling GEET kits for engines 1 to 16 hp. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:GEET_Reactor_by_Paul_Pantone (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:GEET_Reactor_by_Paul_Pantone) This is more or less a history of what he been doing since his release.His motor uses plasma which converts carbon molecules into oxygen molecules.So it produces nuclear radiation as this transmutation of elements occurs.I know that bolts of lightening produces natural radioisotopes that decay quickly within 72 hours.The GEET system produces more oxygen than goes into it.triffid
Why do people keep calling this hell a democracy. Is everyone stupid and brainwashed?
It's just another word for socialism which seems to be what people want, like and deserve.
Unfortunately, the republic formerly known as "The United States of America" has been long
gone since 1779. Oh well. No one gives a shit.
Didn't we have a war a long time ago to keep the British and British rule out of this country???
Guess what. We lost. They're back. Never really left.
Weeeeeeeeeeee
Heres a fat cat story if I ever saw one. http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/woman-leaves-13m-fortune-pet-cat-123953959.html (http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/woman-leaves-13m-fortune-pet-cat-123953959.html) triffid
Everyone in the USA is brainwashed and can't do a thing with their brains.People should really get MAD.And start taking back their freedoms.
I have seen a whole class of americans emerging out of this mess.Those who lie and steal and skate their way from one government agency to another.Picking up assistance from people in the streets.Hey buddy got a couple of bucks to spare?Having kids to get a paycheck from the government.That is so wrong.Skating from one landlord to another.Costing other people thousands of dollars.Using delays to avoid paying the rent.Using Government to be a partner in their not paying rent.In missouri you can't legally evict anyone unless you go through the court system.At an extra cost of $600 at least.It is better to be a rich tenant than a poor landlord.If you did earn something there are those who will steal it from you.Give me free food,money ,and housing they say.Work? Whats that?Work for a living?Only shmucks do that!triffid
Just about everyone of those Americans I've seen are so horribly addicted to cigarettes.They can smoke at least three packs a day.One day the cancer will show up.And they will wonder where did that come from?If it didn't kill people I would be buying stock in cigarettes.I don't smoke by the way.triffid
Cold fusion anyone? This cell seems to work.Inventor died in 2008 so someone else picked up the torch.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CETI_Patterson_Power_Cell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CETI_Patterson_Power_Cell) triffid
Inertia drives anyone?This one is better than a jet engine by a factor of 20. http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/TIE.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/TIE.htm)
Also mentioned in the free energy film I provided a link to.triffid
Some tests and measurements conducted on Thornson Drive prototype have suggested that the IPE force-to-power ratio can be up to 2000% ie 20 times higher than a conventional jet engine. [/size](see the document from Thomas Valone "Inertial propulsion: the Thornson EZKL drives" and also the document from the same author "Inertial Propulsion: Concept and Experiment")[/size]
Additional notes[/size] : "In 1990, a 16 foot Grumman canoe and two passengers with a gross weight of 450 pounds demonstrated a low acceleration rate and propulsion of one mph after traveling 75 feet in a swimming pool. The 60 pound Thornson prototype was totally sealed inside a plywood case..." [/size]( from Thomas Valone paper "Inertial propulsion: the Thornson EZKL drives" - PACE Newsletter vol 7-1, 7-4 and Vol 9-4 ).[/size]
At the Missouri renewable energy fair(Sept.,2011) I saw and watched a wood gasifier in operation.I know these devices are coming.The question is when?If Tom Bearden is correct when he says that the oil industry stopped killing inventors who developed things to run on other than oil 15 years ago.If the oil industry can learn to stop killing people.Maybe congress can stop allowing our wealth to flow out of this country?That was a pretty bold statement for Tom Bearden to make but he made it.I was surprised that he said it got too embarassing for them.triffid
Quote from: triffid on December 12, 2011, 05:07:59 PM
Cold fusion anyone? This cell seems to work.Inventor died in 2008 so someone else picked up the torch.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CETI_Patterson_Power_Cell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CETI_Patterson_Power_Cell) triffid
yeah i remember seeing this on 'nightline' or maybe '60 minutes'? back in about '97 or '98. it was supposed to be available to the public by 2000... ::) haven't seen one on the shelves anywhere. ;)
i expect the same for rossi.
i built a replica back then. the catalysts were easily available. build one yourself.
So willy,did yours work?I found a major credit union that you can join if you want to. Membership in Patelco is free and open to everyone.I'm trying to figure out credit unions today.triffid[/size]
they offer credit cards too.https://www.patelco.org/loans/credit_cards.aspx (https://www.patelco.org/loans/credit_cards.aspx)
Five credit union myths dispelled. https://www.patelco.org/five_myths_aboutcreditunions.aspx (https://www.patelco.org/five_myths_aboutcreditunions.aspx) triffid
#5. Credit Unions Charge Fees to Join
This myth is one that is partially skewed. It is true that many credit unions require new members to provide a minimum deposit to join, but this is far from a “fee.â€[/color][/font]
New members are typically requested to provide a minimum deposit, often as low as $5, which purchases a single “share†of the credit union, and is used to open a share (savings) account under the member’s name.[/color][/font]
This initial deposit is not a fee imposed upon members; rather, members are now considered a credit union owner. Additionally, should the account be closed, 100 percent of funds are returned.[/color][/font]
#3. ATM Access Is Limited
Due to the misconception regarding insufficient branches, many Americans believe that credit unions provide little to no support in the area of ATM access.[/color][/font]
In actuality, many credit union-issued ATM cards are linked to a Co-Op ATM network, which eliminates surcharge fees for credit union members. These ATMs are located frequently traveled locations such as 7-Eleven, Costco and Walgreens across the country.[/color][/font]
ATM cards with applicable logos from entities like Star, Cirrus and Pulse networks provide even more accessibility to over 800,000 ATMs nationwide.[/color][/font]
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I found the closest Atm to me for patelco to be 4 miles away at a 7-11..triffid[/color][/font]
“‘Bank Transfer Day’ is very intriguing to credit unionsâ€"especially since it seems to be raising the profile of credit unions on a national basis. And that’s great: We believe credit unions are the best option for consumer financial services. The bottom line is this: If consumers are upset with big banks, we think they should look at a credit union â€" and they’ll like what they see. But, each consumer has to make the smart choice of what works best for him or her, their families and their futures. We recognize that credit unions will ultimately be the best option for most consumers. However, our main point is: All consumers should give credit union membership a very close look. To learn more and to find a credit union that you’re eligible to join, go to: www.aSmarterChoice.org (https://www.patelco.org/non-partner_speed_bump.aspx?url=http://www.asmarterchoice.org/).â€[/color][/font]
Whether or not existing bank customers decide to take part in the Bank Transfer Day movement on November 5, clearing the air on credit union fallacies can help individuals understand the advantages of a credit union and whether they are the right alternative.[/color][/font]
More on credit unions.http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/money/101211-Save-Me-Steve-Credit-Unions_15440656 (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpps/money/101211-Save-Me-Steve-Credit-Unions_15440656)
All the questions you ever had about money but was afraid to ask. http://www.wisegeek.com/finance.htm#finance (http://www.wisegeek.com/finance.htm#finance) it will hurt your head to read all of these answers.triffid
Free gasifier plans gasifier forum reveals all! http://gekgasifier.com/forums/index.php/topic/203-inventory-of-gasifier-plans-online/ (http://gekgasifier.com/forums/index.php/topic/203-inventory-of-gasifier-plans-online/) triffid
A bicycle powered by a wood gasifier. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gengas.nu%2F (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gengas.nu%2F)
triffid
its in there http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gengas.nu%2F (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gengas.nu%2F)
one more try.
I have received a request from the Technical Museum of trying to muster as many wood-gas powered vehicles and machines as possible to a gengasdag with lectures and demonstrations. Dates are not set, but those who are willing to take their wood gas powered car, lawnmower, boat engine, or whatever it may be to the Technical Museum in Stockholm -
email me! (%6d%61%72%6b%75%73%2e%61%6c%6d%72%6f%74%68%40%67%65%6e%67%61%73%2e%6e%75)A picture (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=sv&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.gengas.nu/bilder/rolf_barry_berg/index.shtml&usg=ALkJrhhPInB_fJIfC-GJ4_ppiRWByDRWDQ) of a Norwegian lightweight with wood gas operation has also been added during the day. |
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At Last! http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=sv&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.gengas.nu/bilder/rolf_barry_berg/index.shtml&usg=ALkJrhhPInB_fJIfC-GJ4_ppiRWByDRWDQ (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=sv&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.gengas.nu/bilder/rolf_barry_berg/index.shtml&usg=ALkJrhhPInB_fJIfC-GJ4_ppiRWByDRWDQ) triffid
Sorry its not a bicycle,its a motorbike!
I hope this might help you, There's a new company profile on Transmission and Distribution Infrastructure - Global Investment Analysis to 2030
out there. Looks interesting:
http//www.fastmr.com/prod/236197_transmission_and_distribution_infrastructure.aspx
As he explained:
“We forget that the Great Depression was like a soccer match, there were two halves ... [and what] made the depression truly ‘great’ ... began with the European banking crisis of 1931.â€
Yes, that’s right â€" a European banking crisis is precisely what made things go from bad to worse during the LAST Great Depression!
This is precisely why Dr. Weiss has been warning you â€" repeatedly â€" that the European implosion could do the exact same thing this time around.
Thanks Brent36976,That pdf file report you offered has a $3500 pricetag on it.Something I think only the richest one percent could buy..The summary says development of power lines will continue for many years til about 2040.That all I will get out of it so I will continue to buy WEC.And hold for years.triffid
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Contract Manufacturing (http://related.wisegeek.com/related/?kw=Contract+Manufacturing&rt=ChBO6mA0AAOq5QpAAkdbUTEbEhZDb250cmFjdCBNYW51ZmFjdHVyaW5nGgjvfz1R2N6ouSDU9p-hAigBSNT2n6ECUhMIxsDQ0_yErQIVRgNACh2_cmTn&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftopics.wisegeek.com%2Ftopics%2Fmanufacturing-countries.htm%23a%3D57867%26t%3Dfb-box-lower-%26k%3DManufacturing%2520Countries%26b%3D1%26p%3D2) [/size]
GDP by Country (http://related.wisegeek.com/related/?kw=GDP+by+Country&rt=ChBO6mA0AAOq6ApAAkdbUTEbEg5HRFAgYnkgQ291bnRyeRoIz331zxBGFp8g1PafoQIoAUjU9p-hAlITCMbA0NP8hK0CFUYDQAodv3Jk5w&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftopics.wisegeek.com%2Ftopics%2Fmanufacturing-countries.htm%23a%3D57867%26t%3Dfb-box-lower-%26k%3DManufacturing%2520Countries%26b%3D1%26p%3D2) [/size]
Plastic Manufacturing (http://related.wisegeek.com/related/?kw=Plastic+Manufacturing&rt=ChBO6mA0AAOq7ApAAkdbUTEbEhVQbGFzdGljIE1hbnVmYWN0dXJpbmcaCPUflYVO3giiINT2n6ECKAEwAkjU9p-hAlITCMbA0NP8hK0CFUYDQAodv3Jk5w&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftopics.wisegeek.com%2Ftopics%2Fmanufacturing-countries.htm%23a%3D57867%26t%3Dfb-box-lower-%26k%3DManufacturing%2520Countries%26b%3D1%26p%3D2)
Manufacturing Countries on wiseGEEK:
Because much of China is still unindustrialized, China has considerable room for improvement, while the leader of manufacturing countries, the United States, is already completely industrialized. China was once before the world's leading manufacturer -- way back in 1830, the countrywas responsible for 30% of the global industrial output.
Some traditional goods, such as tile, have been almost entirely outsourced as well. More facts about manufacturing: The strongestmanufacturing countries in the world are the U.S., China and Japan.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-top-manufacturing-countries.htm (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-top-manufacturing-countries.htm) more details
http://stopsmartmeters.org/
If you have time, read the whole page. ;]
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on December 15, 2011, 09:25:30 PM
http://stopsmartmeters.org/ (http://stopsmartmeters.org/)
If you have time, read the whole page. ;]
Mags
in Ontario Canada we have had them(smart meters) for several years.
this is the first i have heard of health problems with them.
billing rates are an other matter.
the meter has a CPU and a cell phone in it.
how bad could it be when everyone and their dog has a cell phone stuck to their ear
all day?who has an electric meter in their living space?
are these people going to push for cell phone and wi fi bans as well?
fritznien
Quote from: fritznien on December 15, 2011, 10:20:31 PM
how bad could it be when everyone and their dog has a cell phone stuck to their ear
all day?who has an electric meter in their living space?
are these people going to push for cell phone and wi fi bans as well?
fritznien
what kind of idiot walks around with a microwave stuck to their temporal lobe...
i sure hope they do push for cell phone and wifi bans... what give you the right to pollute my airspace with your EM noise?
Average ceo pay compared to average worker pay.Be sure to read the reader posts as they contain nuggets of truth too.
http://www.payscale.com/ceo-income?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=Prod_Newsletter_Email_1211&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.payscale.com%2fceo-income&cm_mmc=Email-_-Prod_Newsletter_Email_1211-_-NA-_-http%3a%2f%2fwww.payscale.com%2fceo-income (http://www.payscale.com/ceo-income?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=Prod_Newsletter_Email_1211&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.payscale.com%2fceo-income&cm_mmc=Email-_-Prod_Newsletter_Email_1211-_-NA-_-http%3a%2f%2fwww.payscale.com%2fceo-income) triffid
Debtor prisions coming back?A third of the states in the USA allow it! As if life wasn't already tense enough for Americans who can't pay their debts, collection agencies are now taking advantage of archaic state laws to have[/size] [/size]some debtors arrested and sent to jail. (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AsBLXaXTRnpHEqt83_VIsN4p2YdG;_ylu=X3oDMTFpOGpyZm1sBG1pdANCbG9nIFBvc3QgQm9keQRwb3MDMgRzZWMDTWVkaWFCbG9nQm9keUFzc2VtYmx5;_ylg=X3oDMTNmMXUwN203BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDM2U3OTZmNjAtYTVlMC0zYzE1LWEzMDItNDI4ODExYzYzNDkzBHBzdGNhdANleGNsdXNpdmVzfGRhaWx5dGlja2VyBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=0/SIG=152qnbv26/EXP=1325289870/**http%3A//www.businessinsider.com/the-return-of-debtors-prisons-collection-agencies-now-want-deadbeats-arrested-and-sent-to-the-big-house-2011-11)[/size][/color]More than one-third of US states allow debtors to be arrested and jailed, says Jessica Silver-Greenberg in the Wall Street Journal (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AgjL7Iz1rqc.obwbPy8VTZsp2YdG;_ylu=X3oDMTFpaGJ0OHNsBG1pdANCbG9nIFBvc3QgQm9keQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDTWVkaWFCbG9nQm9keUFzc2VtYmx5;_ylg=X3oDMTNmMXUwN203BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDM2U3OTZmNjAtYTVlMC0zYzE1LWEzMDItNDI4ODExYzYzNDkzBHBzdGNhdANleGNsdXNpdmVzfGRhaWx5dGlja2VyBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=0/SIG=13o292gqn/EXP=1325289870/**http%3A//online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203710704577052373900992432.html%3Fmod=wsj_share_tweet).[/size]
Judges typically grant arrest warrants when the debtors have failed to show up for court dates or failed to make court-ordered payments.[/size]
Of course, the reason debtors have failed to make court-ordered payments is often the same reason they didn't pay their debts in the first place: They don't have any money.[/size]
In September, a 53 year-old woman named Vivian Joy was stopped for a broken tail-light in Champaign, Illinois. And then, because the cops discovered that she still hadn't paid $2,200 to a collection agency, she was cuffed and carted off to jail.[/size]
Joy's excuse?[/size]
She doesn't have any money.[/size]
Jailing debtors for not paying their debts is apparently especially popular in Illinois.[/size]
(This practice, needless to say, is preposterous. If people can't pay their debts and have no prospect of being able to pay their debts, they should declare bankruptcy. And the debts should be written off. Companies don't go to jail when they default. Neither should people.)[/size]
If you owe money stay out of Ill!triffid
Refer to the Henry William Wallace Patent: [/size]U.S. Patent 3,626,605 (http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/US_Patent_3626605_HWallace.htm)[/size], “Method and Apparatus for Generating a Secondary Gravitational Force Field.†Just needed to park this somewhere.triffid[/size]
One of the most respected alternative economic news sites on the net: http://www.zerohedge.com/ (http://www.zerohedge.com/)
It has been a great guide to me for the last 3 years.
Best to all.
Heres a number of businesses you can start on the cheap plus a section for inventors trying to get their idea to market!
http://financiallyfit.yahoo.com/finance/article-113806-11695-4-businesses-you-can-start-for-under-5k?ywaad=ad0035&nc (http://financiallyfit.yahoo.com/finance/article-113806-11695-4-businesses-you-can-start-for-under-5k?ywaad=ad0035&nc)
triffid
The Economic Collapse Blog does a terrific job of periodically putting together a compilation of the scariest data points about the US economy. Today is one such day, and the list of 50 economic numbers presented is indeed, as the author puts it, "almost too crazy to believe"... Almost. As noted: "At this time of the year, a lot of families get together, and in most homes the conversation usually gets around to politics at some point. Hopefully many of you will use the list below as a tool to help you share the reality of the U.S. economic crisis with your family and friends. If we all work together, hopefully we can get millions of people to wake up and realize that "business as usual" will result in a national economic apocalypse." Or, far more likely, 99% of the population can continue watching Dancing with the Stars, as what little wealth remains is terminally transferred to those who are paying attention right below everyone's eyes.[/size]
If we all work together, hopefully we can get millions of people to wake up and realize that "[color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]business[/color] as usual" will result in a national economic apocalypse." Or, far more likely, 99% of the population can continue watching Dancing with the Stars, as what little wealth remains is terminally transferred to those who are paying attention right below everyone's eyes.If someone came up to you in the street and said they were going to take you in their car to a secret location and implant electrodes in your brain to make you more docile.Just how many of you out there don't realize thats not in your best interest?I think 99 % of the americans I know would would get implants in their brains because it was free!triffid
epwpixieq-1, I like your website.I hope to make good use of it.triffid
Vending Machine
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When you walk past a vending machine you might not think, "Wow, great business opportunity!" but it's actually a profitable business that's inexpensive to start. You can buy a used soda machine for $800 to $1,000 or a used snack machine for $1,200, according to Chris Robertson, author of "Vending Business Tactics." New machines can run you $2,000 to $4,000.
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The most profitable items tend to be Coke, Diet Coke and bottled water, Robertson says. And, in some places, you can buy a bottle of water for as low as 17 cents a bottle and then turn around and sell it for $1, so the margins are nice.
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Some property owners might charge you 10 to 15 percent of your sales to put your machine on their property, but that's not always the case, Robertson says. If they do, you just up the price from $1 to $1.25.
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http://helpstlouis.org/
http://www.rentassistance.us/ci/mo-st._louis
http://www.stlcc.edu/student_resources/TANF/Housing_Assistance.html
http://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/st__louis_assistance_programs.html
http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/states/missouri/renting/energyprgms
https://www.stl.unitedway.org/211.aspx
this is a list of help websites in st.louis if you are homeless or otherwise needy.
i think most large cities have a number of places that can help you.
triffid
http://vimeo.com/23278902 (http://vimeo.com/23278902) An hour video of how beer saved our world.triffid
This video explains cap and trade of carbon credits better than any other I've seen. http://vimeo.com/7908590 (http://vimeo.com/7908590)
triffid
The story of numbers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umyhZu6gXmQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umyhZu6gXmQ) very intertaining!triffid
If you think 2008 was a bad year, wait till you see 2012!
The world's largest banks have far less capital, the world's largest governments have far less bailout power, and each is pulling the other into an abyss.
Yet, BOTH bankers AND government officials seem mostly oblivious to the dire realities, sleepwalking through daily life as if nothing had changed.
Some ideas on what to do with an icebox to brew your homemade beer with. http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/side-side-fermentation-chamber-build-105054/ (http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/side-side-fermentation-chamber-build-105054/) If 2012 is going to be a bad year you want something to drink??
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/side-side-fermentation-chamber-build-105054/ (http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/side-side-fermentation-chamber-build-105054/)
Bank of America[/font][/size]. Stock decline: 61 percent The whole banking sector is beaten down due to fears of a European crisis. Bank of America is under special scrutiny because of its disastrous 2008 purchase of Countrywide Financial, which has saddled the bank with billions in losses on bad mortgages, many of which may to sour. Investors worry that B of A hasn't fully revealed its full exposure to troubled counterparties in Europe or stressed mortgage holders. But if B of A skirts disaster, it may recover sooner than expected.[/size]
Don't laugh this might keep you from going hungry! How to make flour from acorns. http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Acorn-Flour (http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Acorn-Flour)
triffid
Something completely different pickeled Acorns! http://en.petitchef.com/recipes/spiced-pickled-acorns-fid-671035 (http://en.petitchef.com/recipes/spiced-pickled-acorns-fid-671035)
Economists now say 2011 will be the first year since the Great Recession began in 2007 that home construction will have helped the economy grow. Before this year, the industry endured two of the worst years ever.[/size]
"Homebuilding is through the worst and is now steadily improving," said Paul Diggle, a property economist at Capital Economics.[/size]
We need BEER to save our world again!It looks like the feds are looking at buying foreign debt!
Revisiting The "Nuclear Option": Will The Fed Buy European Bonds? (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/revisiting-nuclear-option-will-fed-buy-european-bonds)Submitted by Tyler Durden (http://www.zerohedge.com/users/tyler-durden) on 12/20/2011 - 15:13Ben Bernanke (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/ben-bernanke) default (http://www.zerohedge.com/taxonomy/term/7) European Central Bank (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/european-central-bank) Eurozone (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/eurozone) Federal Reserve (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/federal-reserve-0) International Monetary Fund (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/international-monetary-fund) Italy (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/italy) Kyle Bass (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/kyle-bass) Monetary Policy (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/monetary-policy) Monetization (http://www.zerohedge.com/taxonomy/term/137) None (http://www.zerohedge.com/taxonomy/term/118) Sovereign Debt (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/sovereign-debt) Testimony (http://www.zerohedge.com/category/tags/testimony)[/font]Nearly two years ago, we first breached the topic (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/federal-reserve-buying-greek-bonds)of the Fed's nuclear option: the possibility (or is that likelihood) of the Fed stepping out of the continental US and proceeding to monetize European bonds. Back then we noted: "One thing learned over the past year is that everything is a distraction for something else, and that something else, quite usually without failure, ends up being the Marriner Eccles building (http://maps.google.com/maps/mpl?moduleurl=http:%2F%2Fmaps.gstatic.com%2Fintl%2Fen_us%2Fmapfiles%2Fmapplets%2Fpanoramio%2Fpanoramio.xml&mapclient=google&sll=38.892755,-77.045566&sspn=0.001363,0.00324&gl=us&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.892327,-77.045993&spn=0,359.99676&t=h&z=19&lci=com.panoramio.all&layer=c&cbll=38.892327,-77.045993&cbp=12,0,,0,5&photoid=pg-kk0pt8jEVrF41FHGe9YYKg)on Constitution Avenue in D.C. What we refer to is disclosure from a paper written by none other than the Maestro Jr, in 2004, titled "Conducting Monetary Policy at Very Low Short-Term Interest Rates (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/Bernanke%20Monetary%20Policy%202004.pdf)" (oddly appropriate). In this paper, Bernanke discusses not only the possibility of purchasing corporate assets (bondsand stocks), but emphasizes that one other security class which the Fed may be inclined to acquire under conditions such as those today, and has an explicit authority to do so, are foreign government bonds." The specific text referenced was the following: "In simple terms, if the liquidity or risk characteristics of securities differ, so that investors do not treat all securities as perfect substitutes, then changes in relative demands by a large purchaser have the potential to alter relative security prices. The same logic might lead the central bank to consider purchasing assets other than government securities, such as corporate bonds or stocks or foreign government bonds. (The Federal Reserve is currently authorized to purchase some foreign government bonds...)" So the question then becomes: with the ECB stubbornly refusing (for now) to proceed with outright monetization, and with its balance sheet already surpassing all time records as noted earlier (see below), coupled with tomorrow's LTRO which as discussed over the weekend (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/mf-global-trade-not-coming-european-town-why-ecbs-3-year-ltro-latest-bailout-flop)will be a "Risk On" attempted failure, even if providing a brief relief rally in the interim, not to mention the complete lack of any long-term viability plan out of the Eurozone (EFSF failure due to lack of demand; IMF bailout plan failure due to the UK's veto and the circular joint and several funding by Italy and Spain of an Italian and Spanish bailout), will it be, once again, the Fed which at the end of the day will have to, by covert pathways or otherwise, be forced to step in and monetize European bonds: the so called Nuclear Option? Providing the latest thoughts on the topic is SocGen's Aneta Markowska...[/size]
What ron paul would do if he were president. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/paulonomics-ron-paul-plans-taxes-spending-social-security-142130626.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/paulonomics-ron-paul-plans-taxes-spending-social-security-142130626.html)
triffid
Nevada (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AjIxUeddYu_9xvna.Qcqrf9y6IdG;_ylu=X3oDMTFqaGFmbHBnBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzUEc2VjA01lZGlhQXJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNqZ3VkanYwBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDODlkNTYyYjAtNDY3OC0zZTBiLTgyOWEtYWE1NjA2YzRkNWZhBHBzdGNhdANwZXJzb25hbGZpbmFuY2V8cmVhbGVzdGF0ZQRwdANzdG9yeXBhZ2UEdGVzdAM-;_ylv=0/SIG=12b8j24vb/EXP=1325719036/**http%3A//topics.bloomberg.com/nevada/%3Fcmpid=yhoo.hlinks) has the highest unemployment rate at 13.4 percent. Average home prices in the Las Vegas area plummeted to $138,000 in 2010 from $220,500 in 2008, the second-biggest decline behind Fort Meyers, Florida, according to NAR data.[/size]
"A lot of the jobs in Nevada, Arizona, and Florida were related to the growth itself -- construction and retail," Frey said. "Once the economy stopped, the growth stopped."[/size]
As housing prices continue to slide, future construction stagnates and unemployment remains elevated, would-be migrants may stay put against their will, Frey said. This will give places like New York and Los Angeles another chance to appeal to residents "stuck" with unsellable homes.[/size]
"When migration picks up, to what degree will there still be this gulf between where the middle class can afford to live and where they can't?" Frey said. "Coastal California will likely still be out of a lot of middle-class homeowners' reach, as will living in the more expensive parts of the Northeast."[/size]
To contact the reporter on this story: Brian Chappatta in New York atbchappatta1@bloomberg.net.[/size]
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Mark Tannenbaum at mtannen@bloomberg.net[/size]
an hour and a half video on the collapse of our civilization. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHufiHAbfD4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHufiHAbfD4)
triffid
I watched this video about how Cuba managed to survive, and what they did to get by.
NickZ
The Power of Community: How Cuba Survived Peak Oil (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147#docid=-1721584909067928384)
I came across this report today - http://www.fastmr.com/prod/284058_pulmonary_edema_global_clinical_trials_review_h2.aspx.
I'm not familiar the publisher, but it looks pretty focused. Anybody here know the company?
Any cuts to SS is bad news for us retired folk.Looks like a two month extension to the payroll tax cut was voted in afterall. http://gma.yahoo.com/house-republicans-cave-payroll-tax-cuts-extension-140256639.html (http://gma.yahoo.com/house-republicans-cave-payroll-tax-cuts-extension-140256639.html) triffid
Hey Nick Z that video on cuba is fantastic!Cuba may lead the way afterall to surviving peak oil.Which peaked in the 1980s worldwide.I have often wanted to visit cuba.Back in the 1950s people visited all the time from the USA.People will change when they have to!triffid
Brent I do not know Global Data myself but this info is from the link you provided.If they have been around 50 years they must know what they are doing?
GlobalData is a leading provider of global business intelligence including market, competitor, product and customer information. It provides in-depth research, analysis, data and forecasts through a range of interactive online databases, reports and management briefings. GlobalData has a large team of experienced research and analysis, consulting, and marketing experts. It has a global presence, including key offices in the US, Europe and Asia. The group has over 50 years of experience of delivering market intelligence data and analysis and a highly experienced senior management team.
Publisher Details (http://www.fastmr.com/catalog/publishers.aspx?pubid=1015)[/color]
Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Jamie Dimon, the highest-paid chief executive officer among the heads of the six biggest U.S. banks, turned a question at an investors’ conference in New York this month into an occasion to defend wealth.[/color][/font]
“Acting like everyone who’s been successful is bad and because you’re rich you’re bad, I don’t understand it,†the JPMorgan Chase & Co. CEO told an audience member who asked about hostility toward bankers. “Sometimes there’s a bad apple, yet we denigrate the whole.â€[/color][/font]
Dimon, 55, whose 2010 compensation was $23 million, joined billionaires including hedge-fund manager John Paulson and Home Depot Inc. co-founder Bernard Marcus in using speeches, open letters and television appearances to defend themselves and the richest 1 percent of the population targeted by Occupy Wall Street demonstrators.[/color][/font]
If successful businesspeople don’t go public to share their stories and talk about their troubles, “they deserve what they’re going to get,†said Marcus, 82, a founding member of Job Creators Alliance, a Dallas-based nonprofit that develops talking points and op-ed pieces aimed at “shaping the national agenda,†according to the group’s website. He said he isn’t worried that speaking out might make him a target of protesters.[/color][/font]
I am 100% for being rich.I have nothing against it!But if you crushed another human being to get it,If you poured dangerous chemicals onto the land,air,and water to do it?Then I am against you getting rich!triffid
Ive been watching the Pres debates. I like Ron Paul.
Winning in Iowa. ;]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQe4Ze2hBHY
its 51 min. But really listen. ;]
Mags
Merry Christmas Triff n Bigm ;]
Mags
Thanks Mags for the christmas wish.I spent the weekend with family near st.louis,mo.Both My brother and I are big Ron Paul supporters.He showed me the Jay Leno show with Ron Paul on it.Ron Paul was shown as a lightweight fighter in the first part of the show.I am looking forward to having him as a president.I want us to end all foreign wars,bring the troops home.I want money reforms too.triffid
Mags,I watched the Ron Paul video you posted a link to.I thought he looked great in his suit and yellow shirt.I hope I look just as great when I get to be 76 yo.I turned 60 this past weekend.triffid
Whats weird is, almost everyone I talk to, they listen to the media, and say, he is unelectable. Or he is wrong on foreign policies.
I tell them what he says. Unelectable? Thats why we vote. To elect.
Most of them are not listening to what he is saying. Just like Obama. They didnt really listen to what he was saying. Changes, larger civilian army. If you listen close, he was saying it all the time. Now look what we got.
The guy has a lot of spunk at 76. ;]
Mags
Quote from: triffid on December 26, 2011, 02:08:44 PM
Thanks Mags for the christmas wish.I spent the weekend with family near st.louis,mo.Both My brother and I are big Ron Paul supporters.He showed me the Jay Leno show with Ron Paul on it.Ron Paul was shown as a lightweight fighter in the first part of the show.I am looking forward to having him as a president.I want us to end all foreign wars,bring the troops home.I want money reforms too.triffid
Wow, criminy!!
The thread I started has still gone strong in my absence. A whole lot of people did want to see what was being said here by---especially---triffid and myself. Alright, now! This is
one of the longer and more-viewed thread on the whole OU.com board.
I've had to spend a few days on the "streets of S.F.", as the TV show suggested. Not easy
or fun at my age(62). I'm in what functionally amounts to homeless shelter for up to 6 mos. I'll qualify for VA HUD Sect. 8 in about 5-6 weeks.
In the meantime, my prediction still stands:
Real bad economic hardship is coming,
including no money to speak of, except possibly for barter. N. Africa and the Middle East are still in turmoil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring
Greece is no better:
http://www.ft.com/indepth/greece-debt-crisis
And then there's California. I live here, so this hits home in a big way:
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2010/04/12/100412ta_talk_surowiecki
There is no answer to this but,
for me: Try and get ready as best you can.
Triffid has at least some self-sufficiency in his house. Others live at the edge of typical civilization. Everyone should be aware of the starving, Night-of-the-Living-Dead" wannabes who might become more than merely "numerous" and overwhelm whomever they believe has food, water, power, guns&ammo for the guns. The military isn't any help in that case. As I said,
"No answer for this". At least no good answer.
So, then, I'll do the best that I can, and continue informal research, as always. I imagine the Members will do as well.
--Lee
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/very-scary-world-won-t-end-2012-might-151018357.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/very-scary-world-won-t-end-2012-might-151018357.html) Spain has 45-46% unemployment for its young people.USA soon to follow?
of course the world will not end in 2012 but people like to think about it!?!triffid
Of course we are going to hear bad talk about Ron Paul.He has political enemies afterall.I would say who is better?I believe all wars should be ended.I believe that the debt should be reduced.That big banks should be allowed to fail.Not electable? ha! Mickey mouse and Donald duck are electable(you write them in).Hurray for Ron Paul.He is finally getting his spot in the limelight.triffid
Europe as a whole will suffer a double-dip recession. In the U.S., by contrast, federal aid to the states softened the impact of the recession, allowing the economy to start growing again; while states still had to cut thirty-one billion in spending, the stimulus aid saved hundreds of thousands of jobs.[/font][/size]
All this aid comes at a price, of course: it increases moral hazard, and it increases the national deficit. But the federal government is able to borrow money at exceptionally cheap rates, and, at a time like this, when the economy is still trying to find its feet, forcing states to cancel building projects and furlough teachers and policemen makes little economic sense. (Indeed, there’s a strong case to be made that more of the original stimulus package should have gone to state aid.) The European model would do more harm than good, as American history shows: in the early eighteen-forties, after the bursting of a credit bubble, many states found themselves in a debt crisis. The federal government refused to bail them out, and eight states defaultedâ€"a move that cut off their access to credit and helped sink the economy deeper into depression. The U.S. did then what Europe is doing now, putting the interests of fiscally stronger states above the interests of the community as a whole. We seem to have learned our lesson. If Europe wants to be more than just Germany and a bunch of other countries, it should do the same. ♦[/font][/size]
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2010/04/12/100412ta_talk_surowiecki#ixzz1hlr7Kxv3 (http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2010/04/12/100412ta_talk_surowiecki#ixzz1hlr7Kxv3)[/font][/size]
Can anyone name the eight states that defaulted back in 1840's?I can't either but it could have led to the American civil War???????triffid
For 2012 Here are my predictions: more bailouts, more up and down stock swings, more broken promises from politicians, more fiscal debt, more household debt, more articles on how the economy is improving, more articles on how the economy is faltering, more fudged economic numbers, more doomsday scenarios, more sales at stores, more job losses, more hiring, less tv viewers for cable news, less voter turnout than 2008, more right wing people hoping Obama loses, more left wing people hoping Obama wins, and finally the middle class gets the shaft again. It's kind of like 2011....[/font][/size]
http://www.hulu.com/watch/309601/the-simpsons-holidays-of-future-passed (http://www.hulu.com/watch/309601/the-simpsons-holidays-of-future-passed) Yes,holograms are included in the future.triffid
When the economy is so bad then food production becomes most important to prevent starvation. http://www.secondact.com/2011/11/the-economist-at-the-forefront-of-the-farm-to-table-movement/?cm_mmc=Market-_-Outbrain-_-NA-_-NA (http://www.secondact.com/2011/11/the-economist-at-the-forefront-of-the-farm-to-table-movement/?cm_mmc=Market-_-Outbrain-_-NA-_-NA) Here is a man trying to help people raise more food.I have been trying to sprout some sweet potatoes myself but the buds appears to be lifeless causing me to wonder if they have been irradiated?By the time they got to market?triffid
For Shuman, field work means visiting markets and local festivals, then completing dozens of interviews with farmers, processors and restaurateurs before presenting his conclusions. The accumulated research leads to books, such as 2006's The Small Mart Revolution: How Local Businesses Are Beating the Global Competition[/i], which in turn generate some 25 paid speaking engagements annually at conferences and events. Those serve as springboards to more studies. "That's my entrepreneurial strategy," he says.[/size]
Not only has it positioned him as the go-to analyst for cities and regions looking to understand the economic possibilities of local agriculture and animal husbandry, it also has made his work the engine for genuine change.[/size]
"I very much like giving communities -- particularly those that are struggling economically -- ways to improve their well-being," he says. "Most of those that I work with are below-average economically, so they're prepared to try different things."[/size]
The terminator gene is a specific genetic sequence inserted into a seed's DNA. Once activated by a synthetic chemical catalyst of the manufacturer's choosing, the sequence renders the seed and crop it produces sterile. Patented by the USDA and Delta and Pine Land Co., now owned by Monsanto, this terminator technology has no agricultural or economic benefits for farmers or consumers. The only motivation is to protect intellectual property rights, according to owners of the technology. They claim that it allows them to be able to recover investments on research, and produce profits from their technology, as planters must re-purchase seeds every year. Opponents claim that corporations will only use this to squeeze more money out of dependent farmers, and begin a monopoly of chemically saturated suicide seeds.[/size]
Possibility of Transfer.[/size]
Transgenic plants have already been shown to transfer certain genes to wild relatives or bacteria. The possibility that the terminator gene could be transferred is not denied by anyone. In fact, the tendency of genetically manipulated plants to "leak" traits is greater than others. "They learned that the transgenic plants were 20 times more likely to outcross than the mutants-they were "promiscuous," as a headline in the journal Nature put it. "Nobody knows why," Bergelson says. "We're still trying to find the mechanism that drives the pattern we saw. There's a lot we don't understand, including how common it is." "It's inevitable that they will get out," says ecologist Joy Bergelson of the University of Chicago. "That doesn't necessarily mean that there will be negative repercussions. But there could be some. And right now we don't know enough about what they could be and when they could occur."' There is some speculation on the subject, however, despite the limited empirical evidence. Even if the terminator gene were to spread to wild weedy relatives, then it could help control the spread of genetic hybrids and accompanying artificial traits. "Moreover, if Terminator genes were packaged with other transgenic traits, they could help ensure that crop-weed hybrids would be sterile-potentially eliminating a difficult problem." In fact, some believe that an added attraction to use of the terminator gene is the possibility that it will prevent more genetic transfer from occurring.[/size]
In fact, common sense recommends that the terminator gene would not spread far, because gene transfer through hybridization relies on fertile gametes of each species, the production of which is suppressed by this gene.[/size]
Sources[/size]
Once the terminator genes spread thru the food chain there will be no growing of food unless you pay for it time and time again totally dependent on only one company for your seeds.Time to create my own seed bank and lock it away from sight.
Patented by the USDA and Delta and Pine Land Co., now owned by Monsanto, this terminator technology has no agricultural or economic benefits for farmers or consumers. The only motivation is to protect intellectual property rights, according to owners of the technology. They claim that it allows them to be able to recover investments on research, and produce profits from their technology, as planters must re-purchase seeds every year. Opponents claim that corporations will only use this to squeeze more money out of dependent farmers, and begin a monopoly of chemically saturated suicide seeds.[/size]
Need to learn a new language to get a job?I used the
Pimsleur[/font]
method myself to pick up more spanish when I lived in texas.
http://www.smarterlifestyles.com/2011/12/02/wire-your-brain-to-pick-up-a-new-language-in-just-10-days/?fc_id=33563&fc_app_id=4843 (http://www.smarterlifestyles.com/2011/12/02/wire-your-brain-to-pick-up-a-new-language-in-just-10-days/?fc_id=33563&fc_app_id=4843)
No classes to attend .Just cds and a cd player and time to listen is what you need.
triffid
I just ordered their whole course on Spanish.Less than $10.00 and free shipping.4 cds this time around. triffid
Last time I only got one cd for about the same price two years ago.I learned about 400 spanish words.This time I should learn about 2500 core words.
Right now the price of silver is dropping.I suspect thats because Chinas growth is slowing down?triffid
Price of silver still dropping but gold went up a little.Thats because some big bank somewhere is selling silver they do not have(its called shorting).And keeps the price of silver down.triffid
Obama delays his request for a 1.2 trillion dollar increase in the debt ceiling. http://news.yahoo.com/obama-delays-request-1-2t-debt-limit-increase-181945181.html (http://news.yahoo.com/obama-delays-request-1-2t-debt-limit-increase-181945181.html) triffid
Not really on topic but since you can use household chemicals to make dry crystal batteries I thought I would provide this link.His best battery makes 1.5 volts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EWATxAJooE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EWATxAJooE) triffid
more info http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owvNA-3_5sY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owvNA-3_5sY) triffid
yes its a diasaster but john decided to open source his technology and the ugly blonde is him in drag.just bare with it and you will learn wonderful things. [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xf_JBnDOBw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xf_JBnDOBw&feature=related)[/size]
just one more [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb8iwsTdqUE&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb8iwsTdqUE&feature=youtu.be)[/size] and im done!
ok I lied one more glue cells using copper and aluminum wires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6XbgqpPxB8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6XbgqpPxB8&feature=related)
triffid
Happy New Year big M and Mags triffid
Interesting things these glue batteries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pDrIjy7dS0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pDrIjy7dS0)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yJDITgp6p4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yJDITgp6p4&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdhlyMhlLF0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdhlyMhlLF0&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=echWkt8jkxM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=echWkt8jkxM&feature=related)
I guess you have to admire this mans guts??? Police say a[/size] [/size]North Carolina[/size] [/size]man insisted his million-dollar note was real when he was buying $476 worth of items at a Walmart.[/size]Investigators told the Winston-Salem Journal(http://bit.ly/u7ZrEN ) that 53-year-old Michael Fuller tried to buy a vacuum cleaner, a microwave oven and other items. Store employees called police after his insistence that the bill was legit, and Fuller was arrested.[/size]
The largest bill in circulation is $100. The government stopped making bills of up to $10,000 in 1969.[/size]
Fuller was charged with attempting to obtain property by false pretense and uttering a forged instrument. He is in jail on a $17,500 bond, and it isn't clear if he has an attorney. He is scheduled to be in court Tuesday.[/size]
I saw a fake $100 bill once back in 1969.It was yellowish in color.triffid
just wanted to park this somewhere. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT-8N3bEdNY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT-8N3bEdNY&feature=related)
triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL16APsR_BM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL16APsR_BM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsvJRUbdiS0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsvJRUbdiS0)
In the future a stage orbits high above the earth in permanent orbit Likewise there is another such stage orbiting the moon where the holographic images of real people can come and go as tourists without ever leaving the earth.In this way millions can leave the earth for a few minutes to see high above the earth and moon.In a way never done before.And these two vocaloid video clips shows that could happen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZaorE3_hdY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZaorE3_hdY) triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT-8N3bEdNY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT-8N3bEdNY&feature=related)
Holographic space tourism is on its way!!!
Just for fun.Ronald Mcdonald as you have never seen him before.Happy new year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laT0piGB1k0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laT0piGB1k0)
triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Og4SFOTrE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Og4SFOTrE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i15A5jigrRM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i15A5jigrRM)
Dont mean to spoil the new year...
It looks like, goodbye USA and here comes the USC.....
http://theintelhub.com/2012/01/01/the-cfrs-updated-constitution/
Its not good.
Mags
I agree with you Mags,things do not look good.I heard yesterday that Tulsa,Oklahoma is starting to look like St.Louis,Mo with five begging people competing for begging space at each traffic intersection.With signs around their necks"will work for food"--we know that doesn't happen!Or "need help" Yes I agree with that one.I guess it is just going to get worse.triffid
From your link that You gave I got this from it:
Now, if you are a true American patriot who loves this country, please don’t blame me for having produced the above document. I am just the messenger, not the generator, of the bad news that you, because of your passivity in the face of treason, are the only one to blame.[/font]
Our passivity brought it upon our heads.[/font
;
Today I went out and found nearly all the places to shop were open.This is new years day.Back in 1975 only 7-11 was open on new years day.My friend and I were lucky to find 7-11 open that day.i was in Denver,Colo. that day.Everyone here needs the business.
I will start working on my glue power cells tomorrow.Salt Substitute is mostly potassium chloride,less than 1% cream of tartar,and silicon dioxide.All stuff that should make a rock battery work.triffid
http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/obama-signs-defense-bill-containing-detainee-provisions/ (http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/obama-signs-defense-bill-containing-detainee-provisions/)
Looks like the United States of America is down the toilet. Now it is law that anybody defined by the government as a threat can be arrested by the military and detained indefinitely.
“I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists,†Obama said. “I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation.â€
Sure, maybe HIS Administration won't (maybe), but what about other scumbags "elected" in the future. The rise of tyranny is so blatant, yet most Citizens of the United States don't see it at all. Germany was the same after WWI. Many of the dangerous provisions were put in place by Administrations previous to Hitler's rise. He just used them to his advantage when his time was ripe.
From so many directions, it's like a roller-coaster out of control. Faster and faster until it can't stop. Oh wait, that's right, it's the Rich people's fault. Didn't Stalin play the same blame game?
Stupid, ignorant people being used like puppets. So very sad to see.
I wonder if they will feed you if you are locked away?After all People gotta eat? Right??Time to leave the country with less than $5.00 coin change in your pocket.triffid
Everybody better start liking jailhouse baloney sandwiches!
No matter how bad things get there is always someone telling you you make great wealth if you will only buy their seminar.
http://theelevationgroup.net/presentation/register.php?a_aid=9e0f8b12&a_bid=e6b01db8&chan=mb (http://theelevationgroup.net/presentation/register.php?a_aid=9e0f8b12&a_bid=e6b01db8&chan=mb) just like this guy.triffid
Here is something you can look at for free if you want great wealth.
http://www.wisegeek.com/finance.htm#finance (http://www.wisegeek.com/finance.htm#finance)
Here an oklahoma city woman shoots and kills an intruder who was armed with a knife. http://gma.yahoo.com/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder-911-operators-okay-091106413.html (http://gma.yahoo.com/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder-911-operators-okay-091106413.html) triffid
When Martin kicked in the door and came after her with the knife, the teen mom shot and killed the 24-year-old. Police are calling the shooting justified.[/size]
"You're allowed to shoot an unauthorized person that is in your home. The law provides you the remedy, and sanctions the use of deadly force," Det. Dan Huff of the Blanchard police said.[/size]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ume9VC8W0U&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ume9VC8W0U&feature=related)
It's not the money system that needs to be saved, it's the intelligence of society. We lived without money and technology and there were even times on this planet when technology was more "evolved" than today. Your ability to make a computer create a 3d light show still doesn't change some laws of the UNIVERSE that will always exist.
Even with advanced technology, Let's say we all conquer homelessness/freezing to death tomorrow with infinite torrents, infinitely fast net, free electricity and everyone has more than they can imagine of all human creation from all time to observe, play with, and form a lifestyle around, free of work and the system of control... do you think these people would learn to use it and live in peace? REALLY? Would it destroy envy, greed, the same greed that causes these companies to ruin the evolution of the entire species? Do you think society is evolved enough? Do you find it any wonder that Alex Collier states openly other more advanced species pity us and want nothing to do with us, not because they don't exist, not because they don't want to share the technology (they cannot even understand the money system at all), but because they actually think we're not worth communicating with?
The most sacred teachings in the world are that sexual coitus/masturbation without spilling the semen are the doorways into the realm of the absolute. The next most sacred teaching is that the food you are putting into your mouth is not actually sustaining your body, the sun is, just like everything you're seeking to invent, evolve and expand in this whole "energy quest". I see a shaky future for humanity and myself: In one I've been involved in every 9-5 possible, am an amazing musician/recorder and would love to be the best comic book artist, animator, and videogame/virtual reality modeler society has seen, because don't we all love to play with the light and sound that is the universe itself.
You're seeking sunlight and overattached to your fucking MP3s and videos to the point you believe you absolutely will die without them (and without stuffing your mouth for one day) and that these corporations control electrical energy itself, or YOU. So what let the money system collapse. Jericho Sunfire has been putting his interviews out for years now and people are still laughing at the guy. You afraid of starvation? Research fasting and do some fucking pushups. It's not death people are afraid of, it's immortality. It's not energy loss people are afraid of, they're still afraid of their neighbor stealing their wife. You really think if everyone had free energy and these companies evolved/disappeared (and they WILL because of evolution) that the basic human problems would be solved? Wake up humanity, there is a reason ancient societies probably destroyed themselves. You can only do so much with the external. Some battles can only be fought on the inside. Just some food for thought for anyone worrying about the pieces of paper with pictures you call money.
I see the same racial selection going on in the workplace as in the 50s. Don't even pretend the money system or being technologically advanced solves your problems. The problem isn't David fucking Rockefeller, he's a human just like you, it's a "problem" that exists in all humans and if you think 1000000 free energy devices is going to solve it, wake up. Being able to be in a warm house with a computer and all the food in the world doesn't make you an evolved human, and therefore doesn't make an evolved society. Ah, now I can understand the Andromedans (Who are actually trying to mentor us to use technology we already have and fucking GROW UP already).
One day, I think you'll realize, if you have ever lost a lot of things in life, that comic books are worth a lot more than money. The only thing worth more than comic books though, are the writers. Human beings. Artists. Everyone that made every piece of technology that puts you in a higher state of mind and you never want to part with - it's you yourselves that are above these companies. So stop worrying about the energy crisis and be sure if food runs out, the world knows of the inediates/immortals who have purged everything out, emotionally and physically, to be beyond "will destroy my soul for food PLEASE HELP". THAT... is the real "Grid" we need to set up, not the electric. The spiritual grid. Wake up people. Sorry, someone had to say it.
Quote from: vaporsofgold on January 04, 2012, 09:38:17 PM
It's not the money system that needs to be saved, it's the intelligence of society. We lived without money and technology and there were even times on this planet when technology was more "evolved" than today. Your ability to make a computer create a 3d light show still doesn't change some laws of the UNIVERSE that will always exist.
Even with advanced technology, Let's say we all conquer homelessness/freezing to death tomorrow with infinite torrents, infinitely fast net, free electricity and everyone has more than they can imagine of all human creation from all time to observe, play with, and form a lifestyle around, free of work and the system of control... do you think these people would learn to use it and live in peace? REALLY? Would it destroy envy, greed, the same greed that causes these companies to ruin the evolution of the entire species? Do you think society is evolved enough? Do you find it any wonder that Alex Collier states openly other more advanced species pity us and want nothing to do with us, not because they don't exist, not because they don't want to share the technology (they cannot even understand the money system at all), but because they actually think we're not worth communicating with?
The most sacred teachings in the world are that sexual coitus/masturbation without spilling the semen are the doorways into the realm of the absolute. The next most sacred teaching is that the food you are putting into your mouth is not actually sustaining your body, the sun is, just like everything you're seeking to invent, evolve and expand in this whole "energy quest". I see a shaky future for humanity and myself: In one I've been involved in every 9-5 possible, am an amazing musician/recorder and would love to be the best comic book artist, animator, and videogame/virtual reality modeler society has seen, because don't we all love to play with the light and sound that is the universe itself.
You're seeking sunlight and overattached to your fucking MP3s and videos to the point you believe you absolutely will die without them (and without stuffing your mouth for one day) and that these corporations control electrical energy itself, or YOU. So what let the money system collapse. Jericho Sunfire has been putting his interviews out for years now and people are still laughing at the guy. You afraid of starvation? Research fasting and do some fucking pushups. It's not death people are afraid of, it's immortality. It's not energy loss people are afraid of, they're still afraid of their neighbor stealing their wife. You really think if everyone had free energy and these companies evolved/disappeared (and they WILL because of evolution) that the basic human problems would be solved? Wake up humanity, there is a reason ancient societies probably destroyed themselves. You can only do so much with the external. Some battles can only be fought on the inside. Just some food for thought for anyone worrying about the pieces of paper with pictures you call money.
I see the same racial selection going on in the workplace as in the 50s. Don't even pretend the money system or being technologically advanced solves your problems. The problem isn't David fucking Rockefeller, he's a human just like you, it's a "problem" that exists in all humans and if you think 1000000 free energy devices is going to solve it, wake up. Being able to be in a warm house with a computer and all the food in the world doesn't make you an evolved human, and therefore doesn't make an evolved society. Ah, now I can understand the Andromedans (Who are actually trying to mentor us to use technology we already have and fucking GROW UP already).
One day, I think you'll realize, if you have ever lost a lot of things in life, that comic books are worth a lot more than money. The only thing worth more than comic books though, are the writers. Human beings. Artists. Everyone that made every piece of technology that puts you in a higher state of mind and you never want to part with - it's you yourselves that are above these companies. So stop worrying about the energy crisis and be sure if food runs out, the world knows of the inediates/immortals who have purged everything out, emotionally and physically, to be beyond "will destroy my soul for food PLEASE HELP". THAT... is the real "Grid" we need to set up, not the electric. The spiritual grid. Wake up people. Sorry, someone had to say it.
can you do this in english please.maybe with some examples of these thimgs you speak of.
fritznien
Quote from: Doctor No on October 21, 2011, 09:29:15 PM
Rather as to waste time for all this silness, i advise all US citizens to write to Los Alamos to obtain copy of Potapov's VHG's test.
You have only right to do it after: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States)
Have a time with it, and please don't forget to show us.
;D
Hello!
What i see, 2 months gone with a wind and nobody answers.
Or this is of US Post which works slowly???
I think there is a very small percentage of what I would call good people.I think there are no good governments at all.If aliens are here our governments has kept them a secret from us.We are not civilized enough to spread throughtout the galaxy(in my opinion).If we are truly alone then we must not destroy ourselves.I think no more war would be a good step.No more sending our young men and women off to war.The money system needs to be reformed so no small group of men can grab large piles of it.But there is hope .I saw a way to eliminate pollution from oil companies and sewage using mushrooms.And posted it on another thread here at overunity.com.By using the technology nature has already developed we can save this planet.I have no doubt about that.WE CAN SAVE THIS PLANET.WE HAVE TO WANT TO.OUT OF 50 BILLION SPECIES THAT HAVE APPEARED ON THIS PLANET WE HAVE THE BRAINS AND INTELLIGENCE REQUIRED BUT LACK THE WILL(?)No other species on this planet can match us.triffid
watch this video and see why I think we can save our world..[size=78%]http://www.hulu.com/watch/219280/tedtalks-paul-stamets-on-6-ways-mushrooms-can-save-the-world (http://www.hulu.com/watch/219280/tedtalks-paul-stamets-on-6-ways-mushrooms-can-save-the-world)[/size] triffid
So now the creation of 200,000 jobs last month and the drop in unemployment to 8.5% is being praised in the media as signs of recovery.But 8.5% is still high for unemployment.Do not be fooled people are still in trouble!triffid
I came across this report today - http://www.fastmr.com/prod/283856_joint_ventures_in_the_petrochemical_industry_key.aspx.
I'm not familiar the publisher, but it looks pretty focused. Anybody here know the company?
Pretty much a commercial history of the solar cell but it states some good news http://www.ijdesign.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/solar-powered-lights/ (http://www.ijdesign.com/blog/index.php/2008/07/solar-powered-lights/)
Continuing in the 2000s to the present, companies are decreasing the costs of solar panels, and increasing efficiency. In 2002, Japan installed 25,000 solar rooftops. In 2006, the U.S. Department of Energy funded the production of a concentrator solar cell by Boeing-Spectrolab which achieved a world-record conversion efficiency of 40.7 percent, establishing a new milestone. At 40% efficiency, the land area needed to supply the entire world of it’s energy needs would be roughly 265 square miles â€" and considering Colorado alone is 104,100 square miles in size â€" that isn’t very large! Just supplying the USA would take about 25% of that land area. Amazing.[/size]
So â€" now time will tell. As the cost of solar power decreases and efficiency increases, we are nearing a point in which solar energy costs will equal that of coal, oil and gas â€" and will likely revolutionize our energy industry. Can’t wait! Blue skies ahead! triffid[/size]
Another link to solar power,government credits,etc.just a wealth of info.[size=78%]http://www.discoversolarenergy.com/solar/solar.htm (http://www.discoversolarenergy.com/solar/solar.htm)[/size]
Brent they are selling a report(single use) for $3500.Something a very rich guy would pay maybe?Meanwhile this is the publisher:
GlobalData is a leading provider of global business intelligence including market, competitor, product and customer information. It provides in-depth research, analysis, data and forecasts through a range of interactive online databases, reports and management briefings. GlobalData has a large team of experienced research and analysis, consulting, and marketing experts. It has a global presence, including key offices in the US, Europe and Asia. The group has over 50 years of experience of delivering market intelligence data and analysis and a highly experienced senior management team.[/color][/font][/size]
Publisher Details (http://www.fastmr.com/catalog/publishers.aspx?pubid=1015)[/color]
They have been in the business for 50 years so their reports might be worth the money? I can't afford them.triffid
details on how to make a hobo stove people! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7mGGnyPWFQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7mGGnyPWFQ&feature=related)
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Very cheap solar lighting for your house! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=o-Fpsw_yYPg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=o-Fpsw_yYPg) [size=78%] 3 teaspoons of bleach in each bottle keeps the water clear for a long time! triffid[/size]
A very cheap fish trap.You may need it to eat some day! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmDzHyOverg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmDzHyOverg&feature=related)
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A cheap way to build a charcoal forge out of mud.It will heat metal up to cherry red color http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=31G6CMh0DLI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=31G6CMh0DLI) triffid
5 things to know about the payroll tax extension http://news.yahoo.com/5-things-know-payroll-tax-cut-extension-143209064.html (http://news.yahoo.com/5-things-know-payroll-tax-cut-extension-143209064.html)
Remember SS is 1/5 the federal budget.triffid
4. The reduction has no impact on your Social Security benefits. [/font][/size]Even though workers are paying less tax into the Social Security system, they do not suffer any reduction in the benefits that will ultimately be collected. The federal government promises to pay the benefit that would otherwise have been received. The benefits are figured on the basis of earnings (up to the wage base limit for the year) and not on the taxes paid.[/size]
Do you see old pallets as just trash?Think again!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFGaW2FdKB4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFGaW2FdKB4&feature=related)
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Grow food indoors! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlZwUtCN98&feature=fvwrel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlZwUtCN98&feature=fvwrel) triffid
A very cheap house.A friend of mine has something like this on his land! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOIifnYM7DQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOIifnYM7DQ&feature=related)
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A 15 dollar house from the 1970's. [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTL0dkadocQ&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTL0dkadocQ&feature=relmfu)[/size]
Super efficient wood burning stoves.This one uses a half cord of wood per winter to heat the house vs 4 cords of wood a winter for a regular wood burning stove. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jfag47dRCs&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jfag47dRCs&feature=relmfu) triffid
http://www.permies.com/ (http://www.permies.com/)
How to clean and season old iron skillets(and new). http://www.richsoil.com/cast-iron.jsp (http://www.richsoil.com/cast-iron.jsp) triffid
The ten worst states to retire to. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-worst-states-retirees-2012-050106199.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-worst-states-retirees-2012-050106199.html)
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Swedish fire torch or how I cook my meals outside without a hobo stove.You must see this to believe it!triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfRovJ1KcCg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfRovJ1KcCg)
France gets downgraded by standard and poor. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/france-loses-aaa-rating-blow-191612943.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/france-loses-aaa-rating-blow-191612943.html)
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PARIS (AP) -- France's finance ministry says Standard & Poor's has cut the country's credit rating by one notch to AA.[/size]
France's loss of its AAA-rating deals a heavy blow to the eurozone's ability to fight off its debt crisis. The country is the second-largest contributor to the currency union's bailout fund.[/size]
S&P in December put 15 eurozone countries on creditwatch and other downgrades were expected later Friday.[/size]
ROME (AP) -- Europe's ability to fight off its debt crisis was again thrown into doubt Friday when the euro hit its lowest level in over a year and borrowing costs rose on expectations that the debt of several countries would be downgraded by rating agency Standard & Poor's.[/size]
Stock markets in Europe and the U.S. plunged late Friday when reports of an imminent downgrade first appeared and the euro fell to a 17-month low.[/size]
The fears of a downgrade brought a sour end to a mildly encouraging week for Europe's heavily indebted nations and were a stark reminder that the 17-country eurozone's debt crisis is far from over.[/size]
Just posting this for fun and a very cheap wind turbine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=4iqaNJVjEI8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=4iqaNJVjEI8) triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSjkHfAH9Eg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSjkHfAH9Eg&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdQ2XuhnkXE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdQ2XuhnkXE&feature=related)
A radio controlled flying sacuer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=gGtKzUDhStk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=gGtKzUDhStk)
Move over airhogs! triffid
In 1777 George Washington had a vision.Here is what I found of it. http://www.denverspiritualcommunity.org/Wisdom/InSearchOfHealthHappinessChpt13.htm#anchor70026 (http://www.denverspiritualcommunity.org/Wisdom/InSearchOfHealthHappinessChpt13.htm#anchor70026)
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"The scene instantly began to fade and dissolve, and I at last saw nothing but the rising, curling vapor I at first beheld. This also disappearing, I found myself once more gazing upon the mysterious visitor, who, in the same voice I had heard before, said, 'Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted: Three great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the third, but in this greatest conflict the whole world united shall not prevail against her. Let every child of the Republic learn to live for his God, his land and the Union.' With these words the vision vanished, and I started from my seat and felt that I had seen a vision wherein had been shown to me the birth, progress, and destiny of the United States."[/size]
http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/potbelly-stove.htmlght an army surpleght ?SID=o845bd511ubhuriasubm21ade7 (http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/potbelly-stove.html?SID=o845bd511ubhuriasubm21ade7) I just got me one of these.I just ordered it a few minutes ago.total cost at $133.
Next time you see something strange in the sky.It could be someones RC toy like this one operated from an i-pod.Yes theres an app for that too it seems. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=dKefapjff_0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=dKefapjff_0) triffid
That sounds like a lot, but building a two million dollar nest egg can be done if you [/size]start saving early (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AkigZ_xF5vG7w6WGk0TtX6i4g6U5;_ylu=X3oDMTFtYmNicXAzBG1pdANCbG9nSW5kZXhQYWdlSW5kZXhNb2R1bGUEcG9zAzE1BHNlYwNNZWRpYUJsb2dJbmRleA--;_ylg=X3oDMTFvcGs0cnBnBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANibG9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=0/SIG=135fe451a/EXP=1327879892/**http%3A//www.quizzle.com/blog/2010/02/7-things-about-money-i-wish-i-knew-in-my-20s/)[/font][/size]by living on less than you make. A couple who starts contributing $10,000 a year to their [/size]ROTHs (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=ApQG9fQ5S1dhO4cy1p86qee4g6U5;_ylu=X3oDMTFtYTRkZmVvBG1pdANCbG9nSW5kZXhQYWdlSW5kZXhNb2R1bGUEcG9zAzE2BHNlYwNNZWRpYUJsb2dJbmRleA--;_ylg=X3oDMTFvcGs0cnBnBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANibG9nBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=0/SIG=13khusovi/EXP=1327879892/**http%3A//www.quizzle.com/blog/2011/07/individual-retirement-accounts-which-flavor-works-for-you-2/)[/font][/size] at age 22 and who stop making those contributions at age 29, assuming they invest in equities with an average annual return of 8.5 percent, will have a reasonable chance of having $2,000,000 by age 65. That assuming a lot of things like finding a good mate at age 22 or before age 22.But thats only 7 years so a single guy could do it maybe?And 8.5 % is hard to find all the time.Much less year after year.triffid[/size]
http://news.discovery.com/human/neanderthals-interbreeding-humans-110825.html (http://news.discovery.com/human/neanderthals-interbreeding-humans-110825.html) interesting news here.Seems that neanderthals and modern human interbred afterall.
Mating with Neanderthals and another group of extinct hominids, Denisovans, strengthened the human immune system and left behind evidence in the DNA of people today, according to new research.[/size]
The findings add to the growing body of evidence that modern humans who left Africa around 65,000 years ago mated with Neanderthals and Denisovans -- two archaic species that lived in Europe and Asia.[/size]
BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12059564)- Professor Chris Stringer: "It's nothing short of sensational - we didn't know know how ancient people in China related to these other humans"[/size][/color]
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Scientists say an entirely separate type of human identified from bones in Siberia co-existed and interbred with our own species. The ancient humans have been dubbed "Denisovans" after the caves in Siberia where their remains were found.[/size][/color]
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There is also evidence that this population was widespread in Eurasia. A study in Nature journal shows that Denisovans co-existed with Neanderthals and interbred with our species - perhaps around 50,000 years ago.[/size][/color]
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An international group of researchers sequenced a complete genome from one of the ancient hominins (human-like creatures), based on nuclear DNA extracted from a finger bone.[/size][/color]
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Continue reading about Other Types of Ancient Humans Interbred with Us (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12059564).[/size][/color]
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Some Neanderthals could have been red headed?? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7062415.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7062415.stm) Must read to see.triffid
Nine things you should never buy at the grocery store. http://news.yahoo.com/9-things-shouldnt-buy-grocery-stores-143813610.html (http://news.yahoo.com/9-things-shouldnt-buy-grocery-stores-143813610.html)
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6. Cookware and bakeware. [/font][/size]If you're suddenly inspired to cook a banquet-style meal when shopping at the grocery store, make sure you pick up your basic supplies elsewhere. Cookware and bakeware items are usually heavily marked up at the grocery store and you could end up paying almost double the price for your items. Make a list of what you need then head out to a store that has a larger inventory of these specialty items.[/size]
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I agree 100 percent with this.The cookware prices at my closest store is close to $30.00 for a new pan.I went to a thrift store 30 miles away and bought a pot to cook noodles in and a small coffee pot for less than $6.00.[/size]
A cheaper army surplus wood burning stove. http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Military-Camping-Hunting-Fishing/dp/B002XNWC8A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1327042634&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Portable-Military-Camping-Hunting-Fishing/dp/B002XNWC8A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1327042634&sr=8-1) triffid
with shipping and handling right about a $100 bill.
Want to get married dont have a penny? http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/getting-married-without-penny-name-isnt-romantic-144900071.html (http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/getting-married-without-penny-name-isnt-romantic-144900071.html) I don't think it was ever considered romantic even before the recession.1 in 4 couples are delaying marriage.triffid
With the country's [/size]finances[/font][/size] in the dumper, it's no surprise to hear the news that more and more people are putting off tying the knot. The reality is that one in four say they have [/size]delayed getting married (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AmrGb9PqbN_ZyDjzpbttNFd.bqU5;_ylu=X3oDMTFnMTFlb21tBG1pdANCbG9nUG9zdEJvZHkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQmxvZ0JvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTMxbGhtcHA2BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNGFjYjVkYzUtOTA1OC0zNjkwLThmYTMtZTNhOTEyMGU3OTcwBHBzdGNhdANsb3ZlK3NleARwdANzdG9yeXBhZ2UEdGVzdAM-;_ylv=0/SIG=13ied2jj6/EXP=1328309867/**http%3A//money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/news/economy/1112/gallery.economy-delayed-adulthood/4.html)[/font][/size], because of the [/size]economy[/font][/size]. The average age for a woman to get hitched is 26, up from 22 in 1980. For men, it's 28, up from 25 thirty years ago. Those ages still sound pretty young to me.triffid[/size]
Facts like ... you know you're going to have to pay for your own wedding, so you'd like to save up enough to do something grander than City Hall followed by Applebee's. Or you have tons of credit card debt, and you don't want that bad financial juju to be attached to your honey, so you put off getting married until you can pay it down. (The latter is actually something many people say is the reason they're waiting.)[/size]
I think you should have your head examined if you get married because someone promised you a house and a car.This happened to a woman in her 50's that I know.The promises made to her were just words.Now she and her daughter are paying a heavy price making money the only reason she got married again(3rd time for her,4th time for him).Once again she is a grown woman,she is not a child?[/size]
Bad news,Tampa,Florida has joined the ranks of st.Louis,mo when it comes to hunger and lack of jobs.Yesterday I met a guy who came to st.Louis from there to get a job.triffid
Big banks,in very simple terms http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyaitC91hEM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyaitC91hEM) triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 24, 2012, 05:34:04 PM
Big banks,in very simple terms http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyaitC91hEM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyaitC91hEM) triffid
Just so you know I haven't forgotten this thread:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/24/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/24/markets/markets_newyork/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3)
I spend a lot more time on the OUR.com site trying to upload schematics of theoretical circuits I think up. Right now, I'm concentrating on UFO power generation systems; thusly:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1237.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1237.0)
triffid is "holding down the fort" just fine. Kudos to him.
--Lee
Thanks big M.I built a 30 cell zero point energy crystal cell panel today.Maybe zero point energy will power those UFOs?It looks like a 30 count egg carton.I am posting my work in another thread.here at overunity.com.
Once the Central Bank got control of US currency in 1913, they poured millions (adjusted for inflation) in cheap credit into the economy creating the "Roaring 20's" setting up the Great Depression. Then in the 1990s, it did it again by pouring TRILLIONS in cheap money causing the Great Recession.
There is some Ron Paul bashing going on,So I am gritting my teeth at it. They are saying that he doesnt know that the fed doesnt actually print the money.
The fed still creates it.triffid
Early man's fascination with gold was based on nothing more than its aesthetic properties. The shine, color and workability of this material made it simply irresistible. Even gold's chemical symbol, AU, comes from a Latin term that means "glowing dawn." Today, advancements in science have proved just how valuable gold really is and reinforced society's natural passion for this material. Beyond its obvious beauty and luster, the very properties of gold give it value that exceeds that of virtually all other metals.[/font][/color]
The malleability of this material means that a single gram of gold, roughly the size of a grain of rice, can be flattened into a sheet that covers 10 square feet (0.92 square meters). It's also the most ductile of all metals, which means it can be drawn out into the finest, longest wire of any metallic element. Gold also conducts heat and electricity, and lasts longer than all conducting materials. It's highly reflective, incredibly dense and able to resist rust, corrosion and oxidation [source: American Museum of Natural History (http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/gold/incomparable/world.php)[/color]].[/font][/color]
When considering the aesthetic and functional properties of gold, it's easy to see why it's so valuable. It's also relatively scarce and difficult to extract from the earth, so it's no surprise that the price of this metal has reached astronomic levels. Gone are the days of the California gold rush, or easy-to-mine veins. Today, miners devote enormous resources to locating and extracting even small deposits of this metal. For every 250 trucks containing 20 tons (18.14 metric tons) of rock and dirt extracted from the earth, miners can expect to find just about 0.7 ounces (20 grams) of gold [source: Bullivant (http://www.pbs.org/weta/roughscience/series3/gold_rush/properties.html)[/color]].[/font][/color]
By the 2010s, the oceans started becoming the biggest gold reserves remaining on Earth. Currently, the cost to mine this gold far exceeds its value, but as prices continue to climb, mining the oceans could become the only remaining way to obtain this rare and precious resource.[/font][/color]
Another vocaloid video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9Z44ttNAIs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9Z44ttNAIs) triffid
more of the same [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHm_9GRbmAw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHm_9GRbmAw&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEoJQn9BT1Y&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEoJQn9BT1Y&feature=related)
Jp morgans views on the economy http://www.youtube.com/user/jpmorganfund?v=WtQR7nE8Jr8&feature=pyv&ad=9768958498&kw=stagflation (http://www.youtube.com/user/jpmorganfund?v=WtQR7nE8Jr8&feature=pyv&ad=9768958498&kw=stagflation) Check out the topics to the right that you can watch if you want. triffid
Stocks with dividends,jp morgans views http://www.youtube.com/user/jpmorganfund?v=WtQR7nE8Jr8&feature=pyv&ad=9768958498&kw=stagflation#p/u/32/4HpVBiShvdc (http://www.youtube.com/user/jpmorganfund?v=WtQR7nE8Jr8&feature=pyv&ad=9768958498&kw=stagflation#p/u/32/4HpVBiShvdc)
Concerned that your voice is not good enough? No sound effects,no musical instruments,all pure human voice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNkAGKOlEu0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNkAGKOlEu0&feature=related) Watch this for a highly intertaining video clip.triffid
Looks like greece might get a deal? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/greece-creditors-laboriously-piece-together-132859737.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/greece-creditors-laboriously-piece-together-132859737.html)
and at the last minute too!triffid
"Next week we will be in a position to complete the debt swap," Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos said, citing significant progress at Saturday's talks. "We are really one step away from the final deal."[/size]
It all started in Africa.Our journey did that is. triffid
And now to the moon??? [size=78%]http://news.yahoo.com/american-moon-really-lunatic-idea-230400284.html (http://news.yahoo.com/american-moon-really-lunatic-idea-230400284.html)[/size]
As mentioned, China has designs on getting to the moon. A Hong Kong newspaper reported in 2006 ([/size]recounted by Reuters (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AmcrTOhW5qoG2HHMqiJ3MramWot4;_ylu=X3oDMTFqaTNjbzlmBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzMEc2VjA01lZGlhQXJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNocGNydHNvBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNDU3OTk5ZWMtM2IwMC0zZDMyLThjMzgtMmVjY2M4NjAwMjg4BHBzdGNhdANwb2xpdGljc3xkZXN0aW5hdGlvbjIwMTIEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdlBHRlc3QD;_ylv=0/SIG=12a8ia618/EXP=1329009294/**http%3A//www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1652206/posts)[/font][/size]) that a top Chinese space program official stated that China planned its first moonwalk for 2024. A moon base, territory grab, and mineral extractions will then begin, according to Robert Bigelow, founder of the private space company Bigelow Aerospace, [/size]who told Discovery News (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AvyPoZScIqPQSTgtREOYpnumWot4;_ylu=X3oDMTFqc2Fobm1zBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzQEc2VjA01lZGlhQXJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNocGNydHNvBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNDU3OTk5ZWMtM2IwMC0zZDMyLThjMzgtMmVjY2M4NjAwMjg4BHBzdGNhdANwb2xpdGljc3xkZXN0aW5hdGlvbjIwMTIEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdlBHRlc3QD;_ylv=0/SIG=12sau22hu/EXP=1329009294/**http%3A//news.discovery.com/space/china-moon-resources-bigelow-111020.html)[/font][/size]that the moon is the obvious next step in human exploration and development. And although there exists an [/size]international space[/size] treaty, the [/size]Declaration of Legal Principles Governing the Activities of States in the Exploration and Use of Outer Space (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AmEYFv5c1F2snPXMIfZqxzemWot4;_ylu=X3oDMTFqaGFmbHBnBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEJvZHkEcG9zAzUEc2VjA01lZGlhQXJ0aWNsZUJvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTNocGNydHNvBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNDU3OTk5ZWMtM2IwMC0zZDMyLThjMzgtMmVjY2M4NjAwMjg4BHBzdGNhdANwb2xpdGljc3xkZXN0aW5hdGlvbjIwMTIEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdlBHRlc3QD;_ylv=0/SIG=123i7ni13/EXP=1329009294/**http%3A//www.oosa.unvienna.org/SpaceLaw/lpos.html)[/font][/size], that prohibits any one nation or organization from owning through claim, use, or other means any part or all of the moon, that will have little bearing on the situation at hand once a nation establishes an outpost of some kind on the lunar surface. History is littered with broken treaties.[/size]
A video praising Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=WqYuJ8vo7_A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=WqYuJ8vo7_A) triffid
breathtaking views of the moon.Must see to believe. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=moon&view=detail&mid=5F76CCF91D2ED4D7B40D5F76CCF91D2ED4D7B40D&first=21 (http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=moon&view=detail&mid=5F76CCF91D2ED4D7B40D5F76CCF91D2ED4D7B40D&first=21) Maybe a moonrush will occur in the next 50 years?
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price of silver and gold going up this day.silvers about 33.75 an ounce.triffid
The future of space travel is in the hands of private industry. http://www.ted.com/talks/burt_rutan_sees_the_future_of_space.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/burt_rutan_sees_the_future_of_space.html)
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deep cave exploration and mining water on the moon. http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_stone_explores_the_earth_and_space.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/bill_stone_explores_the_earth_and_space.html)
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Personal robots are on the way. http://www.ted.com/talks/cynthia_breazeal_the_rise_of_personal_robots.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/cynthia_breazeal_the_rise_of_personal_robots.html) triffid
A lot of answers to a lot of questions and maybe even future trends. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsKzpC8gYBmTcGpHbFlILThBSzhmZkRhNm8yYllsWGc&hl=en#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsKzpC8gYBmTcGpHbFlILThBSzhmZkRhNm8yYllsWGc&hl=en#gid=0) triffid
According to Ron Pauls hotline this recession will last a total of ten years,A full decade.We have already had four years of it.He sees six more years left to go.I got to see a fake ten dollar bill today.I guess in a way you could say its all fake?triffid
This morning at McDonalds where I eat breaskfast a lot a man came in begging for a job there.I heard the manager tell him they are not hiring.He told him that noone was hiring.I then saw the news report that the unemployment rate has now dropped to 8.3 percent.Too bad noone told mc donalds here in st.louis,mo.triffid
How the american dream is corrupted And who shot JFK its all connected so pay attention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A2OCMZYWBY&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A2OCMZYWBY&feature=relmfu) triffid
An hour long video of Stanley Meyer and the injection system for his water cell. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXctY1K4wko&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXctY1K4wko&feature=related) We could be running our cars on water today. triffid
A related video about 12 minutes long. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQMrbn4y24M&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQMrbn4y24M&feature=related)
triffid
Hey Triff
Have you seen the polls so far tonight? ;)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012/colorado-caucuses-feb-7/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012/minnesota-caucuses-feb-7/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012/missouri-primary-feb-7/
This is going to be interesting.
Mags
HI Mags,I do want Ron Paul as the next president of the USA.I want the red shield out of America.I want the federal reserve abolished along with the IRS.The red shield put their symbol on the 2011 pennies.How do you like someone throwing it up in your face on the very money that you use.That you are not in charge?Of your own destiny?Time for a change but politics as usual will not get it done.triffid
Big bank deal in the news today http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/26b-mortgage-settlement-another-bullish-sign-bank-stocks-174831973.html;_ylt=AnTT7ORv9pyic2EXJnLmZmOiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTQzaXBxYWp2BG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEZQIEp1bWJvdHJvbiBMaXRlBHBrZwNkOTc5ZWI4Yy1jNDYxLTNiMDctODgzMS1mMzViMjQ5YmMxNTQEcG9zAzEEc2VjA2p1bWJvdHJvbgR2ZXIDZGFlYzcwNTAtNTM0Ni0xMWUxLWJlNzMtZDkxZWRlZGYxYmZi;_ylg=X3oDMTFvdnRqYzJoBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3 (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/26b-mortgage-settlement-another-bullish-sign-bank-stocks-174831973.html;_ylt=AnTT7ORv9pyic2EXJnLmZmOiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTQzaXBxYWp2BG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEZQIEp1bWJvdHJvbiBMaXRlBHBrZwNkOTc5ZWI4Yy1jNDYxLTNiMDctODgzMS1mMzViMjQ5YmMxNTQEcG9zAzEEc2VjA2p1bWJvdHJvbgR2ZXIDZGFlYzcwNTAtNTM0Ni0xMWUxLWJlNzMtZDkxZWRlZGYxYmZi;_ylg=X3oDMTFvdnRqYzJoBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3) Bank stocks going up in value today.Think of all the insider trading going on today.triffid
Seven years after home prices began falling from record highs and more than three years since the start of the financial crisis, the nation's five biggest mortgage lenders have agreed to a sweeping $26 billion settlement with state and federal authorities over questionable foreclosure practices. While the dollar amount could grow as large as $40 billion if more banks sign on to, as it stands now, the deal is the largest such settlement since 1998, when states agreed to a $206 billion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Agreement) dollar package with cigarette manufacturers.[/size]
The hard-fought agreement between 49 states, the federal government, and the 5 banks --Bank of America (BAC (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BAC&ql=1)), Citigroup (C (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=C&ql=0)), JP Morgan (JPM (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=JPM&ql=0)), Wells Fargo (WFC (http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=WFC&ql=0)) and Ally Financial-- will bring to a close probes of foreclosure abuses that include sloppy record-keeping, poor oversight, and automated or "robo" document signing. However, the SEC will reportedly move forward with charges (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203315804577211470167644182.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories)against banks for wrongfully bundling and selling weak loans or bond packages to investors.[/size]
In Autumn US Dollar will be only 2-3 cents worth.
Trust me.
Or gold only.
But there will be much of free energy.
Bank-notes, value papers which has this lost and much any paper to be burnt.
It will heat America for many years good.
Dr. Adolf Nowak
Some ways to save cash.. http://shine.yahoo.com/financially-fit/living-50-less-cash-202400056.html (http://shine.yahoo.com/financially-fit/living-50-less-cash-202400056.html) triffid
more ways to save on the food bill. http://shine.yahoo.com/financially-fit/6-ways-save-money-grocery-store-180500357.html (http://shine.yahoo.com/financially-fit/6-ways-save-money-grocery-store-180500357.html)
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-If possible, buy canned goods by the case.[/font][/size] They stay good, almost, forever. If you have the room to store them, it's much more economical to buy them in bulk. We love our warehouse retail chains for this! Something I already said they stay good a long time.Exceptions are cranberry sauce(about one year).Maybe pineapple too?[/size]
25 more ways to save on the foodbill. http://www.tipsonlifeandlove.com/parenting/25-ways-to-lower-your-grocery-bill?mcd=p_Yahoo_17082&cp_type=p_Yahoo&prefd=a_art17082 (http://www.tipsonlifeandlove.com/parenting/25-ways-to-lower-your-grocery-bill?mcd=p_Yahoo_17082&cp_type=p_Yahoo&prefd=a_art17082)
triffid [size=78%]4. Use a Crock PotA crock pot can be one of the greatest tools in your moneysaving, timesaving arsenal. You can pop ingredients for dinner in it in the morning and have a hot meal all ready by 5:00 p.m. Many of the newer crock pots even have time-delay features on them so that you can set them to turn on later in the day.[/color][/font][/size]
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Fix It and Forget It[/i] is a cookbook filled with crock pot recipe ideasâ€"from soups to main dishes to sides to desserts. I also love the blog Crockpot365.blogspot.com (http://crockpot365.blogspot.com/), which chronicles Stephanie O’Dea’s goal of using her crock pot every day for a year. There are over 365 crock pot recipes, complete with pictures and detailed instructions.[/color][/font][/size]
for years I used a crockpot,beans and brown rice together make a satisfying low cost meal[/color][/font][/size]
Read more: http://www.tipsonlifeandlove.com/parenting/25-ways-to-lower-your-grocery-bill#ixzz1m7VwaLjU (http://www.tipsonlifeandlove.com/parenting/25-ways-to-lower-your-grocery-bill#ixzz1m7VwaLjU)[/color][/font][/size]
more goodies on saving money http://www.momsbudget.com/ (http://www.momsbudget.com/)
triffid
make your own fly paper http://www.momsbudget.com/cleaners/makeflypaper.html (http://www.momsbudget.com/cleaners/makeflypaper.html)
triffid
If you liked star wars you like this little clip on the supermarket wars. triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVrIyEu6h_E&feature=player_embedded
In this video we are introduced to the story of stuff.This clip was made in 2007 so the corporations have grown bigger since then.Watch at the end how congress treats the big corporations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqZMTY4V7Ts&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqZMTY4V7Ts&feature=relmfu) triffid
More on stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYbSaBH0_1M&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYbSaBH0_1M&feature=relmfu) here people do not matter.
triffid
The story of production of stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoJDDiJohKY&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoJDDiJohKY&feature=relmfu)
the story of distribution of stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swtYy80B-LE&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swtYy80B-LE&feature=relmfu)
learn what someone said back in the 1950s what you are good for... SHOPPING... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUeMVt3stAo&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUeMVt3stAo&feature=relmfu)
Learn what someone back in the 1950s said that americans are good for. SHOPPING http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUeMVt3stAo&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUeMVt3stAo&feature=relmfu)
99 % of what you buy today is in the trash 6 months from now.
see all" the stuff" videos for an real eye opener to the reality of things.
The story of disposal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdyV5W-9M_w&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdyV5W-9M_w&feature=relmfu) recycling is not really built into the system.
you need to see all"the stuff" videos to learn what you do not know about the true state of the world.triffid
The story of electronics or how my stuff was designed to go to the dump in 18 months http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYpavuE6plg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYpavuE6plg&feature=related) triffid
Quote from: Doctor No on February 10, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
In Autumn US Dollar will be only 2-3 cents worth.
Trust me.
Or gold only.
But there will be much of free energy.
Bank-notes, value papers which has this lost and much any paper to be burnt.
It will heat America for many years good.
Dr. Adolf Nowak
Dr. Nowak---the Polish Neo-Nazi?---is still around here?!?!?! :P >:( ::) :P ??? :P
Well, my Mom was very slightly East European and I'm still around.
Take a look at this:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/13/world/europe/greece-debt-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Poles in your country may not riot, but no one---including me, I admit---can get away from the reality of a declining economic and social infrastructure.
I have a personal exit strategy to get out of town. None of
your business, though.
--Lee
At&t is putting limits on its unlimited plan http://news.yahoo.com/t-customers-surprised-unlimited-data-limit-080906861.html (http://news.yahoo.com/t-customers-surprised-unlimited-data-limit-080906861.html)
triffid
Greece's austerity measures is setting a bad example for the rest of us.Too many people in Athens can't feed themselves on $450.00(euros)[/font][/size]
a month.Much less a family..Greece has no chance of paying their debt off in 200 years at current levels(even with the debt repayment and austerity measures). of repayments.[/font][/size]
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Quote from: triffid on February 14, 2012, 08:41:29 AMGreece's austerity measures is setting a bad example for the rest of us.Too many people in Athens can't feed themselves on $450.00(euros)[/font][/size]a month.Much less a family..Greece has no chance of paying their debt off in 200 years at current levels(even with the debt repayment and austerity measures). of repayments.[/font][/size][/font][/size]
Yes, exactly. I know full well what an economic train wreck is approaching in Calif. Just as bad as Greece. Glad I'm not Greek. (Is there a Greek Member in the OU.com Member database? Sorry if I personally offended.) Unfortunately, I'm
actually a Californian. I know how bad this is firsthand. Oh, it should take about 10,000+ yrs to pay off the American debt load. We should live so long! >:( ;D ::)
My apartment is better that the woods in Golden Gate Park, but mot much. The gas furnace wasn't made to the standards of smoke detectors. Using it sets the alarm off. Last night it was 52 in my apartment. ::) :P :-\ :( :o At
least! I'm not homeless now.
Later reedit:
The "Arab Spring" isn't going anywhere but downhill:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/14/world/meast/syria-unrest/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
--Lee
Quote from: Doctor No on February 10, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
In Autumn US Dollar will be only 2-3 cents worth.
Trust me.
Or gold only.
Trust a Neo-Nazi? Really, now! ::)
I have an exit strategy, and you might look at this one:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1237.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1237.0)
The little Grey aliens are
described as having helped the Third Reich; and you might need help getting off this planet before angry crowds hunt you down. >:( ;D I would if I were a victim of Nazis, or their relative(s). Just my 2 cents worth. Think what you want of it.
--Lee
Lee,Its a good thing grey aliens are around.When the chinese get tired of taking our debt then we Americans can start borrowing from them.One of the stuff videos clips I posted a link to said we need 3 to 5 worlds of resources to let everyone on earth live like americans.Eye openers those "stuff" videos are.You find out how broken the system really is.I know we are smart enough as human beings to do something about it.Money reform is a big change needed and we need to treat each other like human beings.Right now there are 51 corporations bigger than 49 countries and that is part of the problem.People who do not own land and have no money are not considered important.Never mind what they want in their own lands when big corporations come in and buy up their resources squeezing out the people who already live there.
Im glad you are not homeless now.I bought a stungun 8 million volts for 26 dollars.I leave it at this house and dont talk about it in public.Thats my plan for now.Scare or threaten someone with it.triffid
I Know we humans are the brainy ones.Most of us are born into the system with no idea of how to raise ourselves above it.We came with no directions(no manuel).As kids we were totally dependent on our parents.Who for the most part did their best by us kids when they were at the mercy of events and the government at that time.In 1940 My dad was 17 years old and in the national guard band earning a dollar a week
for playing a horn.I had no desire to be in band myself.My dad was considered 4f for nearsightedness and told to take a factory job to help the war effort.Which he did.Like the rest of us he was clueless about life.When he was 27 I was born.And he had been married to my mom a couple of years before in 1949.I was born in 1951.Before he died about three years ago He let me know he always felt guilty about how things turned out for me and my brothers.I told him I figured that like most people he did the best he could under the circumstances for his kids.My mother was no help to him.She had been married for ten years and wanted out of marriage.Once divorced she never remarried.Most of the retired guys I eat breakfast with now have been divorced twice and say they will never marry again. triffid
I know the world will be here long after humans are extinct and in ten thousand years repair itself.And none of our buildings will survive.If you want to leave a lasting impression on the world yourself.Scratch your full name onto a glass bottle and toss it into the ocean where its estimated to take a million years to be fully recycled back into sand.triffid
Quote from: triffid on February 14, 2012, 08:12:50 PM
...If you want to leave a lasting impression on the world yourself.Scratch your full name onto a glass bottle and toss it into the ocean where its estimated to take a million years to be fully recycled back into sand.triffid
I like a lot of what you say. Maybe the Grey aliens will take the Neo-Nazi Dr. No(wak) and his ilk off our hands? Drop them into the Sun from one of their ships. That's hell enough for them.
Seriously, the Middle East is badly going to deteriorate at the rate it's going. Let's not have is spread here.
--Lee
After I said it I realized one million years is a drop in the bucket compared to the total age of the earth.triffid
here he is,the one man who could turn it all around.. http://www.amazingkreskin.com/ (http://www.amazingkreskin.com/)triffid
he reads peoples minds.
This is what I like Ron Paul coming out ahead somewhere. http://news.yahoo.com/maine-gop-caucus-completed-snow-delay-225253809.html (http://news.yahoo.com/maine-gop-caucus-completed-snow-delay-225253809.html)
triffid
Paul received 163 votes in Saturday's [/size]Washington County[/size] caucus, where Republicans from more than two dozen towns gathered to cast their votes. Romney received 80 votes. [/size]Rick Santorum[/font][/size] got 57 votes and [/size]Newt Gingrich[/size] received four votes.[/size]
All eyes will be on Greece March 20th to see if they default on 19 billion euros in bond debt.triffid
Quote from: triffid on February 14, 2012, 07:43:04 PM
...Im glad you are not homeless now.I bought a stungun 8 million volts for 26 dollars.I leave it at this house and dont talk about it in public.Thats my plan for now.Scare or threaten someone with it.triffid
You're right, I'm not homeless. This place is a big one bedroom, but I pay $253.00/mo. The electric and gas bill are something I'm not looking forward to, though.
There's a lot of floor room available and the windows get a morning view of the sun. Radio Shack is selling 'solar "panels" ' now. .5 watt, 1.5 watt and, say, a big 4-5 watt unit in the near future. Just the thing for a free energy, 6-8 watt fluorescent emergency light that's trickle-charged by the sun.
Oh, you right about Greece. Mar. 20 is a Day of Reckoning. Do they have 19 billion euros? Under any circumstances, they can't afford bigger future payments when their economy is 'in the toilet', so to speak.
--Lee
Lee,My crystal cell panels are producing 17 volts and .66MA 11.22 watts from zero point energy.I can't say its cheaper than solar but they are fun to make.You have to spend money and time gathering the materials.I saw a newspaper headline today that said US economic growth is the slowest since the 1930's!No kidding!!!triffid
Onward to the edge a video clip with music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akek6cFRZfY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akek6cFRZfY&feature=related) triffid
The latest news from Greece http://finance.yahoo.com/news/relief-vies-sense-shame-streets-115459251.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/relief-vies-sense-shame-streets-115459251.html) triffid
ATHENS (Reuters) - Greeks resigned themselves on Tuesday to a 130-billion-euro EU/IMF bailout that won their country a last-minute reprieve from bankruptcy at the price of a decade of austerity and humiliating foreign scrutiny of national finances.[/size]
Agreements among euro zone ministers during all-night talks in Brussels secured a second rescue package since 2010 in return for a new round of spending cuts that have already cost thousands of jobs and eroded public services.[/size]
Relief mingled with a sense of shame on the streets of Athens as Greeks who in two months could be choosing a new government digested what the deal means for a country now being treated as the sick patient of the 17-nation currency union.[/size]
Quote from: triffid on February 21, 2012, 10:00:31 AM
The latest news from Greece http://finance.yahoo.com/news/relief-vies-sense-shame-streets-115459251.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/relief-vies-sense-shame-streets-115459251.html) triffid
ATHENS (Reuters) - Greeks resigned themselves on Tuesday to a 130-billion-euro EU/IMF bailout that won their country a last-minute reprieve from bankruptcy at the price of a decade of austerity and humiliating foreign scrutiny of national finances.[/size]
They (the Greeks) did it again. ::) This cannot go on if those like the Chinese, or else other creditors, get fed up with the goings-on of they who live beyond their means.
Even "Dr. No" predicts the dollar will be worth "2 or 3 cents" by "Autumn". I said a collapse is coming and now he implies the same thing? ???
Nothing to do but wait. I have a place to live now, so at least I'm not out in the cold sleeping under a bridge. A lot more people may not be so lucky this "Autumn", as the "good" Dr. says.
--Lee
For a five dollar donation you can help man start mining the moon for water by the year2020.Bill Stone is the man to do this.
http://www.rockethub.com/projects/3822-shackleton-energy-company-propellant-depots (http://www.rockethub.com/projects/3822-shackleton-energy-company-propellant-depots)
triffid
The reason that we are doing it is that international government-sponsored space programs do not have the funds, the mandate for commercialization or the risk models to affordably conduct the mission. It is now totally appropriate for industry (SEC) to step in to complete the final steps to success and to service these nations and others as customers of SEC products in space. Funding for our program will not come from governments or traditional investment, but a combination of private, mining and energy derived sources.[/font][/size]
With the price of gas predicted to go up to six dollars a gallon here in the USA come the following predictions.
More used cars not selling,fewer oil changes ,less business at auto part stores,more people riding mopeds.More bicycles.
For me.I just stay home more.triffid
Quote from: triffid on February 24, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
With the price of gas predicted to go up to six dollars a gallon here in the USA come the following predictions.
More used cars not selling,fewer oil changes ,less business at auto part stores,more people riding mopeds.More bicycles.
For me.I just stay home more.triffid
They can't eat a gold coin or bar. Look:
http://news.yahoo.com/greek-banks-continue-hemorrhage-deposits-ecb-data-104757174.html
http://news.yahoo.com/germans-overwhelmingly-oppose-greek-bailout-poll-141634352.html
(The Greeks
did only buy themselves some more time. Their original problem remains unchanged: They continue to borrow money and their banks are still experiencing a quiet run on their deposits.)
This won't go away until someone takes a severe 'haircut' and cuts their losses to get rid of bad loans on banks' books now. Europe would probably experience another recession as a result, however.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on February 27, 2012, 12:25:00 PM
... http://news.yahoo.com/germans-overwhelmingly-oppose-greek-bailout-poll-141634352.html (http://news.yahoo.com/germans-overwhelmingly-oppose-greek-bailout-poll-141634352.html)
(The Greeks did only buy themselves some more time. Their original problem remains unchanged: They continue to borrow money and their banks are still experiencing a quiet run on their deposits.)
...
I may not have done them any good. Moody's or S&P downgraded Greece's rating to "selective default"
Thusly: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2012/02/29/2003526601 (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2012/02/29/2003526601)
Okay, this isn't very good, to say the least. People
can assume the worst and
it can happen. Whether or not the rest of Europe or Asia thinks this is as serious as some may think, remains to be seen. But default on worthless bonds that cannot be used for collateral is a potential game changer.
Quote
...
This won't go away until someone takes a severe 'haircut' and cuts their losses to get rid of bad loans on banks' books now. Europe would probably experience another recession as a result, however.
This may be 'in the cards', 'down the road', so to speak. Things and scenarios will need to finalize before further developments continue downhill.
--Lee
I have not known what to post here the last two or three days.According to Ron Paul hotline 1-888-322-1414. Greek style riots are so close to coming to the usa they may be here by summer.The USA Government wants to raise dividend taxes up to 45% from 15% by 2013.So A lot of stuff is going to hit the fan real soon.Better be in a position to duck some of it.triffid
When Ron Paul predicts terrible things coming.Then I fear more than usual.triffid
Our government wants to raise taxes to raise money.They want to raise corporate taxes.More unemployment will be coming as a result as more money flees the usa for safer shores.
Quote from: triffid on February 29, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
When Ron Paul predicts terrible things coming.Then I fear more than usual.triffid
Yeah, I have a place now. At the end of the building is a martial arts dojo. I night join. People like me with Asperger's syndrome should know how to defend themselves against bullies.
--Lee
Some good news I guess .It looks like greece will get get its deal next week. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iifs-dallara-says-confident-greek-192929433.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iifs-dallara-says-confident-greek-192929433.html) triffid
ATHENS (Reuters) - The chief negotiator for the body representing private sector holders of Greek bonds expressed confidence on Saturday that a bond swap deal which is a key part of Greece's bailout program would be completed successfully next week.[/size]
"We can sense in our discussions with investors that momentum is building," Charles Dallara, managing director of the International Institute of Finance (IIF), told Greece's Antenna television in an interview.[/size]
"I'm quite optimistic that the participation levels will be quite high," he said, but he declined to predict a figure.[/size]
Quote from: triffid on March 03, 2012, 06:09:29 PM
ATHENS (Reuters) - The chief negotiator for the body representing private sector holders of Greek bonds expressed confidence on Saturday that a bond swap deal which is a key part of Greece's bailout program would be completed successfully next week.[/size]
"We can sense in our discussions with investors that momentum is building," Charles Dallara, managing director of the International Institute of Finance (IIF), told Greece's Antenna television in an interview.[/size]
"I'm quite optimistic that the participation levels will be quite high," he said, but he declined to predict a figure.[/size]
Not all of the article was included. Thusly:
"Bondholders have until March 8 to sign up to the agreement under which they will exchange their existing Greek government bonds for new paper in a swap deal that will see the nominal value of their holdings cut by 53.5 percent. Failure to secure a deal with private sector creditors would threaten the 130-billion-euro bailout package (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/economy-business-finance/economy/big-3-auto-bailout-%282008%29-EVHST000097118.topic) agreed last month with the European (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/intl/europe-PLGEOREG0000014.topic) Central Bank, the European Union (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/economy-business-finance/economy/european-union-ORGOV000067.topic) and the International Monetary Fund (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/economy-business-finance/macro-economics/international-economic-institution/international-monetary-fund-ORGOV0000244.topic). Greece has said it would not be obliged to go through with the arrangement unless it gets 90 percent participation. If participation is below 90 percent but above 75 percent, it would consult with its public sector creditors. Assuming a sufficient number of investors accept the deal, European leaders should give final approval to the bailout in a teleconference on March 9. Dallara said that any deal contained at least some risk of failure but he said the danger facing the bond swap deal, reached only after months of tortuous negotiations, was slight. He also played down concerns that the debt restructuring could trigger credit default swap contracts that some investors took out to protect themselves against the risk of default. The International Swaps and Derivatives Association (ISDA), the body which rules on whether a so-called "credit event" that would trigger the CDS has occurred, decided on Thursday that Greece had not breached the terms of the insurance contracts. Under the deal, private sector bondholders will be forced to accept a loss while Greece's public sector creditors will not and despite Thursday's ruling, investors could seek a further ruling from the ISDA that could trigger a CDS payout. However, Dallara said he did not believe the CDS issue would derail the bond swap. "Of course, any individual investor may well ask for another ruling at some point. But this again does not trouble me and does not present a hurdle, ' " he said.
It's still not a done deal if the other countries might think this financial stunt won't stop the Greek financial decline. I did say someone has to take "a haircut", and this would be it. Will it help? We'll see eventually.
--Lee
http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/brynjolfsson-cuggino-on-bonds-oil-strategy/w5a50nkVV0DzN6sJ9oCJEA (http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/brynjolfsson-cuggino-on-bonds-oil-strategy/w5a50nkVV0DzN6sJ9oCJEA) here they talk about greece a little.About a controlled default???As if you can control one?triffid
Quote from: triffid on March 04, 2012, 10:49:27 PM
http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/brynjolfsson-cuggino-on-bonds-oil-strategy/w5a50nkVV0DzN6sJ9oCJEA (http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/brynjolfsson-cuggino-on-bonds-oil-strategy/w5a50nkVV0DzN6sJ9oCJEA) here they talk about greece a little.About a controlled default???As if you can control one?triffid
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/04/greek-debt-crisis-factory-worker_n_1318730.html
There's other articles as severe out there, I'm sure. I might look for more.
--Lee
Most people feel like nothing without a job.I had one friend who was told by his dad when he was young that he was nothing but a bum.Another friends dad told him when he was a teenager that he would amount to nothing.That second guy was in college with me back in the 1970's.He did not graduate but ended up in denver with different jobs.If your dad told you were nothing now the government comes along and tells you you are nothing.Picking up a gun is the way to get some attention it seems.But its pretty much your last day on earth when you do that.
Ron Paul says the feds target of 2 percent inflation a year will lead to 20 percent inflation in 10 years and 40 percent inflation in 20 years.
www.jerrybaker.com will teach you how to grow your own food in a 10 x10 square foot of ground by buying his books.triffid
arrange 100 square feet of your apartment into growing food plants.
Go to www.jerrybaker.com (http://www.jerrybaker.com) click browse videos on the right of the page and click on the vegetable gardening video. triffid
Quote from: triffid on March 05, 2012, 06:08:22 PM
Most people feel like nothing without a job. ... If your dad told you were nothing now the government comes along and tells you you are nothing.Picking up a gun is the way to get some attention it seems.But its pretty much your last day on earth when you do that.
You know, even if I can't own a gun because of my medical past, I just joined a Japanese martial arts society that restores traditional swords and knives. The instructor (Sensei) is a top expert from Japan. For my part, it's legal to own a model or replica of a Samurai weapon that's made
with a machine, and has
no! sharp edge. It's only a model and worth absolutely nothing to a collector. A model 'tanto' knife might be used as a kitchen knife if it's sharpened enough to be useful. That's all it's good for as a tool.
Even if a real weapon is owned that's more than 100 years old, it's a legal "artifact" and not a weapon as such. Not legally.
I just got started and have a lot to learn.
--Lee
Here's one about the old native American who wanted a loan for $500.
The banker pulled out the loan application, "What are you going to do with the money?"
"Take jewelry to city and sell it," was the response.
"What have you got for collateral?"
"Don't know collateral."
"Well that's something of value that would cover the cost of the loan.Have you got any vehicles?"
"Yes, 1949 Chevy pickup."
The banker shook his head, "How about livestock?"
"Yes, I have a horse."
"How old is it?"
"Don't know, has no teeth."
Finally the banker decided to make the $500 loan.
Several weeks later the old man was back in the bank. He pulled out a roll of bills, "Here to pay." he said.
He then handed the banker the money to pay his loan off
"What are you going to do with the rest of that money?"
"Put in teepee."
"Why don't you deposit it in my bank," he asked.
"Don't know deposit."
"You put the money in our bank and we take care of it for you. When you want to use it you can withdraw it."
The old Indian leaned across the desk, "What you got for collateral?"
Good point Willy.I couldn't have said it better The old Indian leaned across the desk, "What you got for collateral?" I will probably muse about this all day.Our society such as it is is the collateral.I was looking for outer space aliens two days ago and found buzz aldrin saying theres something out there.Something our governments have kept hidden from us.There was a picture of something on the martian moon phobos.He called it a monolith.Its casting a shadow for sure.Big M.I love my stungun I can use it to threaten.I also have a pellet gun.Too bad I m a moral person who doesn't want to get locked up for the next 27 years of my life.There would be six less people in the world.triffid
Quote from: triffid on March 06, 2012, 01:37:57 PM
...Big M.I love my stungun I can use it to threaten.I also have a pellet gun.Too bad I m a moral person who doesn't want to get locked up for the next 27 years of my life.There would be six less people in the world.triffid
Some people aren't afraid to die (or are crazy!) and aren't stopped by the death penalty threat. But, I see your point. However, viciously roving gangs of "Night of the living Dead" wannabes could become a fact of daily life in the future.
You just have to be careful and decide if it's either you ... or ... him. Especially when The Law is long gone.
--Lee
Ill has no death penalty and its just across the river here.Hmmmm?
I looked at so called alien pictures and decided that photoshop and other picture manipulation programs developed a lot of intertainment for a lot of people.I can't tell whats true and whats not true.triffid
Quote from: triffid on March 03, 2012, 06:08:08 PM
Some good news I guess .It looks like greece will get get its deal next week. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iifs-dallara-says-confident-greek-192929433.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iifs-dallara-says-confident-greek-192929433.html) triffid
There's a complicated answer to that:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/07/markets/greece_debt_crisis/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3
Even if the Greeks get enough participation from say, creditors, their 'credit default swaps' may entice creditors to stay away if they can get more money from them than losing in in the writedown. They're capable of doing it, and that increases the chances of default, thusly involving up to a trillion euros in financial instruments that 'go south' as a result.
--Lee
ready or not here comes $4.00 a gallon gas.$3.54 last time I bought any. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/live-4-gas-economist-sees-hope-u-amid-191518576.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/live-4-gas-economist-sees-hope-u-amid-191518576.html) triffid
Beyond those developments, however, this week brought a number of signals suggesting the global economy is hitting a rough patch, including:[/size]
- China cut its 2012 GDP forecast to 7.5% from 8% amid a string of weaker-than-expected reports on Chinese retail sales, industrial production and bank loans.
- Brazil reported 2011 growth of just 2.7%, well below what the government predicted a year ago. Brazil also said industrial production fell 2.1% in January, the worst since the 2008 crisis, prompting its central bank to slash rates 75 basis points.
- Manufacturing data in Italy and Spain came in well short of expectations while Markit Economics revised down its index of overall eurozone business activity. (PMI data in India was also disappointing.)
- Canada and Australia each reported unexpected drops in jobs in February.
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Hey Triff
Have you seen this vid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faRjF3-WGVA&list=FLjjcpZL8tkpn4WGkU2y_lPQ&index=1&feature=plpp_video
Mags
Thanks Mags for that video clip.I heard about it today from my brother that congress is not necessary to even notify before going to was with another country.Time to impeach somebody I think!And remove them from power or their jobs anyway.As a young man I was told to join the military and do my duty for my country.I chose to go to college.I allways thought I had made the right decision for me.Now it looks like we are going in so many wrong directions at once as a country..triffid
I saw $3.80 a gallon gas today.triffid
Quote from: triffid on March 10, 2012, 06:59:51 PM
I saw $3.80 a gallon gas today.triffid
It's $4.25 or so here in San Francisco.
--Lee
http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/11/will-a-sitting-president-finally-be-held-accountable-for-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors/
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Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on March 11, 2012, 03:05:40 PM
http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/11/will-a-sitting-president-finally-be-held-accountable-for-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors/ (http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/11/will-a-sitting-president-finally-be-held-accountable-for-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors/)
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Mags
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/15-potentially-massive-threats-to-the-u-s-economy-over-the-next-12-months
That above was copied from a GOOGLE hit list page after the search argument:
"The Mother of All Financial Bubbles is About to Pop..." was entered. There was at least 10 more articles like it on the page.
The problem is: These greedy sons-of-bitches are equal to the banks in terms of stupidity. Ignore. Them. They want your money like the banks do.
--Lee
None of those who did the crime will do any time.The bankers and politicians will walk away.Never see the inside of a jail unless they kill somebody.That is the message I see time after time.And we are expected to be good little sheep to follow our shepards into an uncertain future?triffid
Clinton was the only president that was any serious talk about impeaching and that was over a xes scandel.Now the missus is all over the globe,never at home and he can play all he wants.triffid
plus hes richer!!!
Thats funny overunity.com would not let me post xes spelled normally.triffid
Quote from: triffid on March 13, 2012, 04:01:01 PM
Thats funny overunity.com would not let me post xes spelled normally.triffid
Spell it with other letters inserted into the target word. Thus: Sh!t. Fvck.
Try that, but make it understandable.
As an aside, the first misspelled word above passed the Spell Check as correctly spelled. The second word was
in the dictionary as "fuck", so someone entered it there deliberately.
BTW, I understand what you're getting at. Politicians have karma, too, along with me, you, and everyone else, I believe.
--Lee
According to this video clip,2036 will the end of time for humanity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShCbq3vVnwc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShCbq3vVnwc) It comes from john bedini as he talks about an unusual man john cejka.Make of it what you will.triffid
http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/18/alert-obama-declares-peacetime-martial-law-executive-order-explained/
http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/18/obama-implementing-martial-law-coup/
http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/18/executive-doomsday-order-obama-authorizes-gov-to-seize-farms-food-processing-plants-energy-resources-transportation-skilled-laborers-during-national-emergency/
All 3 in order as they were posted.
There was talk last year about this happening. And it was thought that it would happen possibly before the end of this presidents 1st term. Welp, here we go...
Mags
An excerpt from the 3rd article Theres the "change " he promised us. ;)
While millions of people have been preparing (http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/doomsday-report-three-million-preppers-in-america-are-getting-for-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it_02112012) for the possibility of a catastrophic event by relocating to rural homesteads or farms, as well as stockpiling food, water, personal defense armaments and other essential supplies with the intention of utilizing these preparations if the worst happens, the latest executive order signed by President Obama on March 16, 2012 makes clear that in the event of a nationally deemed emergency all of these resources will fall under the authority of the United States government.
Mags
In other words hide what you got!
ten places in the world where people live longer. [size=78%]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-10-hotspots-human-longevity-165933132.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-10-hotspots-human-longevity-165933132.html)[/size]
triffid
It takes just 5 seconds to prove it to yourself that this works.Just search the “U.S. Patent and Trademark Office’s†official website!Here’s the link: http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm (http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm)[/size]
…just search for patent numbers #5,402,021, #4,877,983, #4,151,431 to see the full patents![/size]
This one came out today
http://theintelhub.com/2012/03/19/obamas-martial-law-order-revealed-hidden-executive-orders/
- EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
- EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
- EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
- EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
- EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
- EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
- EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
- EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
- EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
- EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
- EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
- EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
Without Congressional approval, the President now has the power to transfer whole populations to any part of the country, the power to suspend the Press and to force a national registration of all persons.
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on March 20, 2012, 01:38:06 AM
This one came out today
Mags,
With respect to your posted Reply 2471,
It would be nice if the President had the
full support and/or backing of the U.S. military. The Middle East has countries who don't have the support of even the people. The reason should be obvious.
Then there's something like this:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/russian-anti-terror-troops-arrive-syria/story?id=15954363#.T2iobGFUk2R
Right. Brilliant. Didn't they learn anything at all from Afghanistan?
--Lee
Mags
I cannot understand how a president of the USA may have such power.
In Spain we had a man with same powers for 40 years, but we refer to him as a dictator not as a president!
Unfortunately, many people in the world has a hollywood-distorted image of the USA.
Without Congressional approval, the President now has the power to transfer whole populations to any part of the country, the power to suspend the Press and to force a national registration of all persons.[/size]
The President, in essence, has dictatorial powers never provided to him under the Constitution. The President has the power to suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in a real or perceived emergency.[/size]
Unlike Lincoln and Roosevelt, these powers are not derived from a wartime need, but from any crisis, domestic or foreign, hostile or economic. Roosevelt created extraordinary measures during the Great Depression, but any President faced with a similar, or lesser, economic crisis now has extraordinary powers to assume dictatorial status.[/size]
Many of the Executive Orders cited here have been on the books for over a quarter of a century and have not been applied. Therefore, what makes them more dangerous today than yesteryear?[/size]
There has been a steady, consistent series of new Executive Orders, originating from President Richard Nixon and added to by Presidents Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter and George Bush that provide an ominous Orwellian portrait, the portrait of George Orwell’s 1984.[/size]
Looks like lots of new government jobs will be created if they ever carry out these orders.Remember it happened to the japanese americans during WW11.triffid
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I watched videos today on how the federal government plans to enslave 15 million of its own people.How aliens are real and have lived on this earth for one million years.How the moon is hollow and has bases on it and mars has bases on it too.But I found this video clip on Ron Paul and will share it with you guys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWyDUG8fJKA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWyDUG8fJKA) triffid
Feeding The Homeless BANNED In Major Cities All Over America (http://www.infowars.com/feeding-the-homeless-banned-in-major-cities-all-over-america-2/)
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Economic Collapse (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/feeding-the-homeless-banned-in-major-cities-all-over-america)March 22, 2012
What would you do if you came across someone on the street that had not had anything to eat for several days? Would you give that person some food? Well, the next time you get that impulse you might want to check if it is still legal to feed the homeless where you live. Sadly, feeding the homeless has been banned in major cities all over America. Other cities that have not banned it outright have put so many requirements on those that want to feed the homeless (acquiring expensive permits, taking food preparation courses, etc.) that feeding the homeless has become “out of reach†for most average people. Some cities are doing these things because they are concerned about the “health risks†of the food being distributed by ordinary “do-goodersâ€. Other cities are passing these laws because they do not want homeless people congregating in city centers where they know that they will be fed. But at a time when poverty and government dependence are soaring to unprecedented levels (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-u-s-economy-soul-crushing-total-system-failure), is it really a good idea to ban people from helping those that are hurting?
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This is just another example that shows that our country is being taken over by control freaks. There seems to be this idea out there that it is the job of the government to take care of everyone and that nobody else should even try.
But do we really want to have a nation where you have to get the permission of the government before you do good to your fellow man?
It isn’t as if the government has “rescued†these homeless people. Homeless shelters all over the nation are turning people away each night because they have no more room. There are many homeless people that are lucky just to make it through each night alive during the winter.
Sometimes a well-timed sandwich or a cup of warm soup can make a world of difference for a homeless person. But many U.S. cities have decided that feeding the homeless is such a threat that they had better devote law enforcement resources to making sure that it doesn’t happen.
This is so twisted. In America today, you need a “permit†to do almost anything. We are supposed to be a land of liberty and freedom, but these days government bureaucrats have turned our rights into “privileges†that they can revoke at any time.
The following are some of the major U.S. cities that have attempted to ban feeding the homeless….
PhiladelphiaMayor Nutter recently banned feeding homeless people in many parts of Philadelphia where homeless people are known to congregate (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/03/14/nutter-announces-ban-on-outdoor-feeding-of-homeless/)….
>Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter has announced a ban on the feeding of large numbers of homeless and hungry people at sites on and near the Benjamin Franklin Parkway.
Mayor Nutter is imposing the ban on all outdoor feedings of large numbers of people on city parkland, including Love Park and the Ben Franklin Parkway, where it is not uncommon for outreach groups to offer free food.
Nutter says the feedings lack both sanitary conditions and dignity. Orlando
Last June, a group of activists down in Orlando, Florida were arrested by police for feeding the homeless in defiance of a city ordinance (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/10/orlando-food-not-bombs-arrests_n_874840.html)….
>Over the past week, twelve members of food activist group Food Not Bombs have been arrested in Orlando for giving free food to groups of homeless people in a downtown park. They were acting in defiance of a controversial city ordinance that mandates permits for groups distributing food to large groups in parks within two miles of City Hall. Each group is allowed only two permits per park per year; Food Not Bombs has already exceeded their limit. They set up their meatless buffet in Lake Eola knowing that they would likely be arrested as a result. Houston
Down in Houston, a group of Christians was recently banned from distributing food to the homeless, and they were told that they probably would not be granted a permit to do so in the future even if they applied for one (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Houston-permit-rule-stops-couple-s-effort-to-feed-1611603.php)….
>Bobby and Amanda Herring spent more than a year providing food to homeless people in downtown Houston every day. They fed them, left behind no trash and doled out warm meals peacefully without a single crime being committed, Bobby Herring said.
That ended two weeks ago when the city shut down their “Feed a Friend†effort for lack of a permit. And city officials say the couple most likely will not be able to obtain one.
“We don’t really know what they want, we just think that they don’t want us down there feeding people,†said Bobby Herring, a Christian rapper who goes by the stage name Tre9. Dallas
Dallas has also adopted a law which greatly restricts the ability of individuals and ministries to feed the homeless (http://blog.chron.com/believeitornot/2011/11/homeless-ministry-says-dallas-food-ordinance-restricts-their-religious-freedom/)….
>A Dallas-area ministry is suing the city over a food ordinance that restricts the group from giving meals to the homeless.
Courts dismissed Dallas’ request for a summary judgment last week, saying the case, brought up by pastor Don Hart (in video above) may indeed be a violation of free exercise of religion, as protected by the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act, the blog Religion Clause reported.
In the court filing, the ministry leaders argue that their Christian faith requires them to share meals with the homeless (Jesus did!) and that the requirement that even churches and charities provide toilets, sinks, trained staff and consent of the city keeps them from doing so. Las Vegas
A few years ago, Las Vegas became the first major U.S. city to specifically pass a law banning the feeding of homeless people (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/us/28homeless.html?pagewanted=all)….
>Las Vegas, whose homeless population has doubled in the past decade to about 12,000 people in and around the city, joins several other cities across the country that have adopted or considered ordinances limiting the distribution of charitable meals in parks. Most have restricted the time and place of such handouts, hoping to discourage homeless people from congregating and, in the view of officials, ruining efforts to beautify downtowns and neighborhoods.
But the Las Vegas ordinance is believed to be the first to explicitly make it an offense to feed “the indigent.†That law has since been blocked by a federal judge (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-03-26-homeless-laws_N.htm), and since then many U.S. cities have been very careful not to mention “the indigent†or “the homeless†by name in the laws they pass that are intended to ban feeding the homeless.
New York City
New York City has banned all food donations to government-run homeless shelters because the bureaucrats there are concerned that the donated food will not be “nutritious†enough.
Yes, this is really true.
The following is from a recent Fox News article (http://nation.foxnews.com/michael-bloomberg/2012/03/19/nanny-bloomberg-bans-food-donations-homeless-shelters-too-salty)….
>The Bloomberg administration is now taking the term “food police†to new depths, blocking food donations to all government-run facilities that serve the city’s homeless.
In conjunction with a mayoral task force and the Health Department, the Department of Homeless Services recently started enforcing new nutritional rules for food served at city shelters. Since DHS can’t assess the nutritional content of donated food, shelters have to turn away good Samaritans. Can you believe that?
The bureaucrats are officially out of control.
In America today, it seems like almost everything is illegal (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/19-signs-that-america-has-become-a-crazy-control-freak-nation-where-almost-everything-is-illegal).
One church down in Louisiana was recently ordered to stop giving out water (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/church-ordered-to-stop-giving-away-free-water.html) because it did not have a government permit.
Well, I don’t know about you, but I sure am going to give a cup of cold water to someone if they need it whether I have a permit or not.
It is as if common sense has totally gone out the window in this nation.
Over in New Hampshire, a woman is being sued (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/03/19/nh-woman-sued-for-planting-flowers-in-her-front-yard/) for planting flowers in her own front yard.
This is the kind of thing that makes me glad that I have moved to a much more rural location. People in the country tend to be much more relaxed.
Sadly, those that love to micro-manage others continue to get the upper hand in America. Back in January, 40,000 new laws (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45819570/ns/us_news-life/t/new-laws-toughen-rules-abortions-immigrants-voters/#.T01odvVXk3w) went into effect all over America. The politicians continue to hit us with wave after wave of regulations and laws with no end in sight.
All of this is making America a very unpleasant place in which to live.
http://www.infowars.com/feeding-the-homeless-banned-in-major-cities-all-over-america-2/
Hey Robert
This must be true.
I give to homeless people. One woman who moves around town with all she has in a grocery buggy. I gave her $10, another time $20 and $40. Each time she was at a different place. I went to pay my cell bill, and I had seen her again, sitting next to her cart, mid day, with a bag of half eaten food next to her covered in ants.
I said hey, here is some money for you. She would not accept it. I said no, its ok, you can have it. She said the police will put her in jail and take it.
And then it became clear that she must have thought I was setting her up. So I had thought of it during the day, that maybe I could just bring her food.
But from what Im reading(and believing) here is that is not an option either.
Im astonished. This is not America.
Ill be happy when Im not on this earth any longer.
Mags
Hungry people riot...
fema camps are open for business.
Do the math.
The USA is being taken over the federal government and has been coming for a long ,long time.Can't feed the homeless? Are we sure those with homes are eating real food? http://www.infowars.com/the-6-most-horrifying-lies-the-food-industry-is-feeding-you/ (http://www.infowars.com/the-6-most-horrifying-lies-the-food-industry-is-feeding-you/)
Today we are eating more wood than ever before.They must think we are termites?triffid
Not my post but I feel the same way so I copied it here. They think that they are impervious and above the Constitution and the LAW. They think that they can do pretty much what they want with impunity. WE THE PEOPLE need to teach them a lesson, at the voting booth. Anyone that has been in for more than ONE term VOTE them OUT, whether they have done a good job or not!!! I guarantee you that the rest WILL straighten up. That will do at least three things 1) get their attention and 2) let them know that we mean business 3) that WE will NOT put up with anymore of their bllsht. WE THE PEOPLE can force them to put two 2 year term limits with no reelection ever period. Take back YOUR country from the politicans. Don't be a gullible fool. They are laughing their a$$ off at us. They are laughing at you!!! They are laughing at me. It doesn't matter if you are conservative or liberal, democrat or republican it is the same scenario. They all love that we are at each others throats. 'cause as long as we are fighting each other then they can have free reign and do what ever the hell they want and STEAL our LIBERTY.They tell us what they think we want to hear to tickle our ears and make us feel good just so we will vote for them and then do whatever the hell they want after they are in office. It happens every time 100% without fail. This government has turned into the very thing that our forefathers fought against in the 1700s. We Need to FORCE them to pass a law that if they lie, tell a half truth, omit (fail to inform us in any way) or commit any dishonest act of any degree that is proven with evidence that they are to be FIRED instantly on the spot with zero chance of EVER serving in ANY public office of ANY kind!!! One other thing, it should also include their campaigns.
I see $3.97 a gallon gas now here in the st.louis,mo. area.A month ago it was $3.54 a gallon.Oh for the good old days of $3.00 a gallon gas.
See how they creep it up ?Then back it down?triffid
Even slaves get an uprising or two in.
After 400 years in Egypt Moses led his people out.
This economic system was unsustainable in the long run, you must make any adjustments to the current economic model, but more importantly, do not forget these cyclical crises that are always
An example of the detention centres in the United States was the incarceration of Japanese Americans in the light of the attack of PearlHarbour in 1941. After the attacks, American government and military officials began to suspect that every Japanese American would sympathise and support Japan against the United States. They were accused of being spies after the Americans intercepted encrypted messages from Japanese officials which were completely unfounded. Even if there were, it was very few and definitely didn’t warrant the detention of an entire ethnic group. Government and military officials, like J Edgar Hoover, didn’t believe the Japanese Americans constituted a threat but various administration officials at the Department of War (now Department of Defense) disagreed. Finally, fuelled by false reports of espionage and the demands of white farmers in California who saw the Japanese American farmers as threats, President Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066.The rights of Japanese Americans were revoked, even those who were American citizens which made up the majority, and they were rounded up and detained in prison camps across nine states. It destroyed their emotional well-being, self identify and their culture. Instead of being independent, they had to rely on the government for their basic needs. Many of these camps were placed on Native American property which the Native Americans never consented to. They were never compensated for this. They initially thought they’d benefit from improvements made on their land but that was not to be. After the war, the buildings and gardens were destroyed or sold by the government.Every Japanese American prisoner had to show their loyalty for the United States by answering two questions: 1) whether or not they would be willing to be drafted to fight in the war or volunteer as a nurse and (2) whether they would swear to obey all !important]the laws of the U.S. and not interfere with the war effort, despite the fact that their rights had been revoked. The majority answered yes to both questions.On January 2, 1945, the Executive Order was revoked and the Japanese American prisoners were allowed to leave despite the fact that the Japanese had not surrendered yet during the war and the worst was to come. This proves how unfounded the “fears†that the Japanese American detainees were spies. Therefore, they could never have been a security threat.Ominously enough, in 2006, Congress sent former President Bush a bill that establishes a $38 million program of important]National Park Service !important]grants to preserve Japanese POW internment camps across several states. Is this in the name of historical preservation or preparation for what is to come?
Soon people wearing "will work for food" signs will be taken to jail and fed?Or beaten?Whats the number of that executive order?
As long as theres life theres hope but since the USA is the worlds largest offshore bank.I don't see congress reforming the offshore banking system.Corporations have to want to reinvest in America.Our Roads and bridges are aging and need upkeep.When all money wants to do is escape regulation and not invest in the community around it.Twenty years down the road everybody alive is living in a slum.Where is the world of the jetsons??? Flying cars and push button jobs?China,China,China.Where did their bailouts come from ?American taxpayers in the forms of loans at less than one percent.Not over 20 percent as they charge their customers!Congress is insane and has been hijacked by corporations who only seek to maximize their profits and seek to collect wealth in the hands of only a few and not the middle class.We have get congress back on the path to working for the people or we will have a revolution like the French did.triffid
Quote from: triffid on March 27, 2012, 04:30:24 PM
An example of the detention centres in the United States was the incarceration of Japanese Americans in the light of the attack of PearlHarbour in 1941. After the attacks, American government and military officials began to suspect that every Japanese American would sympathise and support Japan against the United States. They were accused of being spies after the Americans intercepted encrypted messages from Japanese officials which were completely unfounded. Even if there were, it was very few and definitely didn’t warrant the detention of an entire ethnic group. Government and military officials, like J Edgar Hoover, didn’t believe the Japanese Americans constituted a threat but various administration officials at the Department of War (now Department of Defense) disagreed. Finally, fuelled by false reports of espionage and the demands of white farmers in California who saw the Japanese American farmers as threats, President Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066.The rights of Japanese Americans were revoked, even those who were American citizens which made up the majority, and they were rounded up and detained in prison camps across nine states. It destroyed their emotional well-being, self identify and their culture. Instead of being independent, they had to rely on the government for their basic needs. Many of these camps were placed on Native American property which the Native Americans never consented to. They were never compensated for this. They initially thought they’d benefit from improvements made on their land but that was not to be. After the war, the buildings and gardens were destroyed or sold by the government.Every Japanese American prisoner had to show their loyalty for the United States by answering two questions: 1) whether or not they would be willing to be drafted to fight in the war or volunteer as a nurse and (2) whether they would swear to obey all !important]the laws of the U.S. and not interfere with the war effort, despite the fact that their rights had been revoked. The majority answered yes to both questions.On January 2, 1945, the Executive Order was revoked and the Japanese American prisoners were allowed to leave despite the fact that the Japanese had not surrendered yet during the war and the worst was to come. This proves how unfounded the “fears†that the Japanese American detainees were spies. Therefore, they could never have been a security threat.Ominously enough, in 2006, Congress sent former President Bush a bill that establishes a $38 million program of important]National Park Service !important]grants to preserve Japanese POW internment camps across several states. Is this in the name of historical preservation or preparation for what is to come?
word for word from: http://claireevans.hubpages.com/hub/auschwitzinamerica
quote your sources...
What,you thought I wrote that all by myself?triffid
Quick and simple we are in trouble.The feds are sending money over to europe to help them out.Its called debtswaps not loans.So now if europe goes down we go down too. So whats an old man to do?Whats a young man to do?Sounds like to me if we all connected so if one goes down we all go down.triffid
Ray stevens new song"come to the usa" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOHOHKBEqE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOHOHKBEqE) triffid
More ray stevens, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6TcpfBHlbs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6TcpfBHlbs) triffid
We the people by ray stevens. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_-L4fyLUo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_-L4fyLUo) I went to one of his concerts back in the 1970s.He played the streaker.A new song he had just put out.triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc&feature=related) just wanted to park this somewhere.
likewise [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=1DtyudFd4M8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=1DtyudFd4M8)[/size]
Quote from: triffid on April 03, 2012, 09:35:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcCLIwlbhLc&feature=related) just wanted to park this somewhere.
likewise [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=1DtyudFd4M8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=1DtyudFd4M8)[/size]
I also wanted to announce this somewhere:
http://news.yahoo.com/elderly-greek-kills-himself-main-athens-square-080959596.html
I have a permanent apartment now, so I'm not homeless. Here's my latest idea in power generation:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1002.msg22458;topicseen#msg22458
(posted Reply #33)I'm becoming
really concerned about places like N. Korea and Syria. So, I'm stockpiling food in my refrigerator freezer.
--Lee
Conservative party head Antonis Samaras said the tragedy highlighted the urgency of getting Greece out of the crisis.
"Unfortunately, this is not the first (suicide)," he said. "They have reached record levels."
Big M,Im glad you have a place to live. triffid
Lee,a long time ago(like 6 years ago)I placed a solar panel(large one) on the kitchen floor and got 9 volts just from the indoor lighting.I realized then that I could go to a brightly lite park at night and generate some power(free lunch).Now I play with rock batteries and get energy all the time from heat(uv to farinfared part of the spectrum).It turns out they are really fancy solar cells.Still tapping into the energy all around us.I have only generated milliwatts of power so far. 18 milliwatts tops.Im still trying to improve them.triffid
Everything in balance.Sometimes we walk a financial tight rope and not everyone can handle the pressure.So far I have not seen straving people in st.Louis.I have seen no one who is just skin and bones yet. But everyone is worried.triffid
Think having money solves all of your problems? http://gma.yahoo.com/nic-cage-pays-irs-6-million-142647961--abc-news-entertainment.html (http://gma.yahoo.com/nic-cage-pays-irs-6-million-142647961--abc-news-entertainment.html)
Nic cage and charlie sheen are both my heros but they have meltdowns that cause everybody to wonder about them.triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 04, 2012, 09:00:51 PM
Think having money solves all of your problems? http://gma.yahoo.com/nic-cage-pays-irs-6-million-142647961--abc-news-entertainment.html (http://gma.yahoo.com/nic-cage-pays-irs-6-million-142647961--abc-news-entertainment.html)
Nic cage and charlie sheen are both my heros but they have meltdowns that cause everybody to wonder about them.triffid
Look at this!! I hit the "jackppot" and post Reply #2500 for this thread! ;D :) I do see a lot of people look at the thread, with nearly 170,000 hits.
triffid, I did see two women, one sitting on her butt and the other walking slowly, screaming for someone to give them money to buy food with. One of them was told by a bystander to shut up and she, essentially, told him to go to hell with vulgar language. So, one of the women brought some of her problem with starvation on herself by her piss-poor attitude. I don't know about the other one. I never saw either one again in that part of town (the slum/red light area).
So to reply to your assertion that no one is starving in St. Lois, I say it's getting bad here (in S.F.) and the destitute are starting to feel it bad.
I have a carving knife and a honing stone to resharpen it with. So do a lot of people, though.
--Lee
does anyone remember the Phil Collins song ? another day in paradise
that´s happening today everywhere !
Quote from: ALVARO_CS on April 05, 2012, 12:18:33 PM
does anyone remember the Phil Collins song ? another day in paradise
that´s happening today everywhere !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U66rzHtW2qQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U66rzHtW2qQ)
(For those who weren't familiar (I wasn't) the first couple of bars before the first chorus refers to a woman begging on the street to a man passing by.)
Yeah, true! The country is getting that way: Fearful and angry.
This has a problem:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/05/peter-goodspeed-duelling-tests-could-pit-north-korean-rocket-against-u-s-shield/ (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/05/peter-goodspeed-duelling-tests-could-pit-north-korean-rocket-against-u-s-shield/)
Shooting down a N. Korean missile may frighten the N. Koreans into believing that the U.S. can wipe them out any time they want (plausible;
assuming!! the U.S. has
secret stockpiles of nuclear weapons.)
My point is: This rumor of a possible anti-missile shoot-down scenario can have bad consequences for a lot of people if the
actual shoot-down attempt is successful.
Also, look at this:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/next-great-depression-mit-researchers-predict-global-economic-190352944.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/next-great-depression-mit-researchers-predict-global-economic-190352944.html)
As well as:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/05/opinion/ghitis-europe-america-debt/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
--Lee
hey Lee, thanks so much for this last link,
my point of view (I am spanish, Spain living): this article shows very well what are doing the politicians in my country: exactly the opposite they said were to do at the elections campaign.
What the article does not say is the raising level of rage and rejection on all political class that can be felt in the streets, in this situation, it won´t be surprising if riots appear as in Greece.
24% unemployed means 5 million people without income (none) and these are only the ones who apply for a job at employment office.
A large number of unemployed not even apply, and therefore are not in statistics.
not very optimistic, I apologize
regards
A
Big M,I didnt mean no one was hungry here in st.louis,just that I have not seen skin and bones.And I really dont want to see that either.Your article you posted a link a link to said this about greece today:
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Today, the Greek people are enduring economic pain that makes America look like a paradise of prosperity. Unemployment stands at 21%, wages are collapsing (http://www.happensingreece.com/25-to-35-wages-cuts-on-state-employees-higher-salary-cap-for-the-chief-executives/)[/color] for both government and private sector workers.[/size][/font]
A series of new taxes (http://livingingreece.gr/2011/09/19/new-property-tax-greece/)[/color] have been imposed, including a "solidarity" tax, new property taxes and higher self-employment taxes. The VAT, a national sales tax on all transactions, has jumped from 13% to 23%. The minimum wage has been been sharply cut. Poverty has increased (http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,775301,00.html)[/color] dramatically.[/size][/font]
After all that, Greece is still required by European rules to cut another 4.7% of gross domestic product from its budget, equivalent to the United States suddenly cutting more than $700 billion.[/size][/font]
Even if it achieves those goals, or rather because it will enact such draconian cuts, the Greek economy is expected to sink deeper.[/size][/font]
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Unlike most European countries, the United States has the luxury of printing money and borrowing almost at will. The crisis in Europe has actually made it more attractive to lend to the United States, so it's easy to pretend the deficit and the debt don't matter. But America's deficit of about 10% of GDP and debt of $15 trillion, roughly 100% of GDP, cannot go on forever. Interest payments on the debt already consume (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258)[/color] more than $200 billion each year, and the debt is rising at blinding speed.[/size][/font]
The United States was right to deal with the recession first before tackling the longer term problem. Europe is proving what the Hoover administration already showed in the 1930s, that cutting spending (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/30/business/economy/30leonhardt.html?_r=1)[/color] in a recession is counter-productive.[/size][/font]
But, with the economy recovering, the time will soon come for the difficult decisions: Will the government cu (http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1258)[/color]t defense spending, Social Security, or Medicare? Or perhaps other programs that keep millions out of poverty?[/size][/font]
What I have heard and seen is that a lot of the vacant houses in st.louis has had the copper pipes stripped out of them.With europes pain coming to american shores in a few years if not sooner.I dread the decisions they will make with social security.And the IRS by itself can make your life a living hell.I heard a joke to that effect lately.It was actually funny.I keep hearing that 2030 will be the time of great hardship and the end of time for humanity.I refuse to believe that 90% of the population will be wiped out and the elite 10% will be safe underground.If they have alien technology that could open up the cosmos to us.To bring a new era to us.If they have this technology already they should share it now,not wait until the last minute.All in the name of economic gain.The world of star trek had no money.But they had machines that could create food and materials so no one was in need.We need to have space colonies built to grow food in.There are unlimited resources in space that no one wants to talk about.There is trillions of tons of water on the moon and there is a man by the name of william stone who wants to start mining it by 2020.He (http://www.tedtalks.com.he) gave a 20 minute talk and announced his intentions for the moon at the very end of his talk.triffid
here is the talk I heard. http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/bill_stone_explores_the_earth_and_space.html (http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/bill_stone_explores_the_earth_and_space.html)
Here he is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Stone_(caver) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Stone_(caver)) and we the people of the world need to get behind men like this and support them.triffid
Men who want to privatize space.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Aerospace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Aerospace) the company he started.
All too often something like this happens concerning the mega lottery:A worker at a McDonald's in Baltimore, Md., has told media that she bought the winning ticket, and that she's hidden it. Coworkers have alleged that Mirlande Wilson, a 37-year-old Haitian immigrant, purchased it as a syndicate with 14 other employees and is trying to keep the money all to herself.[/size]Maryland lottery officials said Thursday that no one had presented a winning ticket to their offices.110.5 million if she keeps it all to herself or about 7.5 million each split 15 ways(after taxes and fees).[/size]
I keep wondering what could end the world by 2030???This comes close.A mile-wide asteroid will zip very close to the Earth in 2028 and could even smash into the planet, causing widespread destruction,“This is the first really big one to pass this close,†said Jack G. Hills, a Los Alamos National Laboratory asteroid specialist. “This is
the most dangerous one we’ve found so far.†He added: “It scares me. It really does. An object this big hitting the Earth has the potential of killing many, many people.â€
Hills said an asteroid the size of 1997 XF11 colliding with the Earth
at more than 17,000 mph would explode with an energy of about 320,000 megatons of dynamite. That equals almost 2 million Hiroshima-sized atomic bombs.
Such an asteroid hitting the ocean, Hills said, would create a tidal
wave hundreds of feet high, causing extreme flooding along thousands of miles of coast line.
“If one like this hit in the Atlantic Ocean, all of the coastal cities
would be scoured by the tsunami,†said Hills. “Where cities stood,
there would be only mudflats.â€
If such an asteroid hit land, he said, it would instantly dig a crater
20 miles across and so clog the sky with dust and vapor that the sun would be darkened “for weeks, if not (http://www.timesaverporn.com/category/not.html) months.†He said the closest approach would come at about 1:30 p.m. EST on Oct. 26, 2028.
Accurate asteroid orbit calculations are impossible, there are just too many variables. If one asteroid hits another for example then both asteroids could be sent on wildly different courses. The situation is even worse for comet fragments where the rocket-like effect of the tail has to be considered, and similarly for asteroids partly composed of ice. In reality any asteroid on the NEO list could hit us and we are reliant on observations which the governments wont fund.
You should earlier take into account that in Autumn the first batch of 15 mlns americans will go into special camps.
And so on, each year after year even more. :P
This may lift your spirits and provide a sense of renewed hope...I just hope this is as good as it sounds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjZgsRt8PBc
Regards...
History will repeat itself as the internment camps for the japanese americans during ww2 started running out of food and other supplies within months of being used/ setup.They better be able to feed me if they want to take me in. I might get mad if they take my mc donalds away from me.I want my coffee in the morning too.I might get mad if I cant have that.What you may not have known was that 3000 japanese workers survived underground without ill effects the second atomic bomb.It took out the city but the 3000 of them that were underground made it thru ok.
Its what I heard the other day for the first time in my whole life.Hence the mad rush to build underground bases and cities since the second world war.
Hitler had factories dug underground from slave labor.Maybe thats what those 15 million americans will end up being?
triffid
I'm happy of this downfall of America in Autumn.
You have all dispersed this poor consumption lifestyle, laughed at socialist countries, provoced wars allround world.
So, sleep well folks.
http://reddragonleo.com/2012/04/02/illuminati-cabal-flee-by-the-hundreds-as-mass-arrests-await-them-from-states-becoming-free-from-the-fed/ (http://reddragonleo.com/2012/04/02/illuminati-cabal-flee-by-the-hundreds-as-mass-arrests-await-them-from-states-becoming-free-from-the-fed/) Maybe this is true or maybe this is false.If true I welcome it!triffid
This link says that asteroid will pass by the earth 600,000 miles in 2028. http://eo.nso.edu/MrSunspot/answerbook/ast1997xf11.html (http://eo.nso.edu/MrSunspot/answerbook/ast1997xf11.html)
triffid
Quote from: Doctor No on October 21, 2011, 09:29:15 PM
Rather as to waste time for all this silness, i advise all US citizens to write to Los Alamos to obtain copy of Potapov's VHG's test.
You have only right to do it after: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States)
Have a time with it, and please don't forget to show us.
;D
What i have searched today through net, the fully succesfull cold fusion devices of Potapov (which are sold by hundreds in Russia for >15 years) were proved in Los Alamos and later awarded through B. Clinton.
Why for Gods sake, nobody written yet to obtain all free copy of this sensational
research?
I think after all this reading, as well as here in Poland, nobody really wants
change and water engines first. :-*
To illustrate premature technological speculations let me show extracts from the “Cold Fusion Goes Commercial†editorial. The entire piece (from the Infinite Energy Magazine, vol. 1, No 2. 1995) can be seen at the following Internet web site: As it stands now, ‘cold fusion’ and allied ‘new energy’ technologies, in which energy appears to materialize perhaps literally from the vacuum quantum fluctuations of space or from subtle mass conversion to energy - are possibly the greatest commercial opportunities of this century. . . . Now for an incredible commercial bombshell -a water-fuel device that did not originate from the mainline cold fusion field at all, but which is very definitely penetrating the marketplace already in eastern Europe. We have learned that in a former region of the Soviet Union, now the country of Moldova (known also as Moldavia), the VIZOR Corporation in Kishinev has already sold thousands of heating units to homes and industries! . . . . But what is most important is that hundreds upon hundreds of satisfied customers have ratified the technology in the marketplace! . . . “
justice
Sorry, but the mentioned link works not.
I've heard this story from someone already in the past.
Maciej41 the story is here however. http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue2/iccf5.html (http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue2/iccf5.html) his devices are mentioned in this long article.triffid
Sapogin [6] described Russian ultrasound cavitation machines that are related to the Griggs (Hydrosonic Pump) device, only they far more efficient. These are designed by a materials scientist, Dr. Yuri S. Potapov, in Kishinev, Moldova. The device inputs 4 kilowatts of electric power into its turbopump, and it outputs 12 kilowatts thermal. So far, Potapov has produced four models, with increasingly better performance. The earliest, least effective model gave excess heat with a C.O.P. ranging from 130 to 150%. Potapov has set up a corporation with four factories, and they have already sold thousands of these units. I have arranged to purchase some units, which will now be tested here in the United States. Several contacts at well-qualified laboratories have agreed to test them.
The Potapov device may or may not tap the same source of energy as the electrochemical CF cells and the E-Quest device. I have no idea whether it does or not. One startling piece of evidence seems to indicate that it may not. Sapogin reports that the device was run for many months in a closed circuit yet it did not generate any significant level of tritium or other radiation. (Other possible nuclear ash such as helium-4,has not yet been measured.) Sapogin thinks he can explain this with his “unitary quantum theory†which he published in Il Nuovo Cimento. [7] I am glad it is not my job to explain it! [See also Sapogin’s ICCF5 presentation in this issue of IE.] This baffling result may appear to contradict results from E-Quest, the Naval Weapons Center, and others who have found helium commensurate with a nuclear reaction. Perhaps there are two different, unrelated processes at work, or maybe there really is helium-4 production in Potapov’s devices. From the standpoint of business and technology, it does not matter if there are two processes or two hundred.
I knew that when cold fusion was first announced that it would be denounced.Very shortly it was.I knew it would be so because of the oil companies would want to keep it suppressed.In the long winded article I posted a link to Amoco did their own experiments .Hopeing I guess to find a way to patent it and keep it suppressed.Amoco like BP treats employees as disposibles.They get hurt too bad,whoops accidents happen.11 people lost their lives on that BP rig out in the gulf last year.triffid
DuFour, at Shell Research, [19] made the same improvement as Karabut, with equally good results. He combined several separate calorimeters for different components into one unified flow calorimeter, which accounts for all inputs and output. He continues to detect up to 7 watts of excess heat. It is good to see that the oil companies are seriously pursuing this form of energy.
Another oil company finally came of the woodwork. Amoco reported some old but extremely important early results. Eisner [27], of the University of Houston, described the 1989 experiments that he and Lautzenhiser and Phelps of the Amoco Production Company performed. According to Amoco’s 1989 report [28], the first experiment “yielded a 30% energy gain over the life of the experiment (two months). In June 1989, the experiment was modified and a second run also yielded “about 30% excess energy until the catalyst become waterlogged.†Other successful runs were performed. Their conclusion: “The calorimetry conclusively shows excess energy was produced within the electrolytic cell over the period of the experiment. This amount, 50 kilojoules, is such that any chemical reaction would have been in near molar amounts to have produced the energy. Chemical analysis shows that no such chemical reactions occurred. The tritium results show that some form of nuclear reactions occurred during the experiment.†Amoco has superb closed-cell flow calorimeters, their signal to noise ratio is exceptionally high. They are world class experts in this type of work. They got excess heat far beyond the limits of chemistry and nuclear products in these early experiments. It is a shame they did not talk about it back in 1989, but at least they have set the record straight today. It is not clear to me whether they are still working on cold fusion or not.
As a humorous aside, let me add that when we showed the Amoco results to Morrison at ICCF4 in 1994, after the closing ceremony, he turned pale as a ghost and took off like a shot. This is one of the many nightmare results that “skeptics†wish they could forget, along with KEK, Mitsubishi, NTT, Los Alamos, E-Quest, SRI, Canon, etc., etc.
Thanks for link, it is very interesting.
But it is very pity that for yesterday planned ful scale cold nuclear test (0.1 kT) in Poland http://nspap.livejournal.com/39568.html was abandoned.
Do You think Jed Rothwell should be near by when this occurs? :'(
Quote from: Maciej41 on April 09, 2012, 04:27:03 AM
Thanks for link, it is very interesting.
But it is very pity that for yesterday planned ful scale cold nuclear test (0.1 kT) in Poland http://nspap.livejournal.com/39568.html (http://nspap.livejournal.com/39568.html) was abandoned.
This is the bounce-back from the site quoted above:
http://nspap.livejournal.com/39568.html
Since I'm at a college library, I can't look at the site yet. I'll go to the public library in downtown S.F. and see it there.
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Do You think Jed Rothwell should be near by when this occurs? :'(
I don't know. Should he?
http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/12/jed-rothwell-reports-cold-fusion-research-shut-down-at-the-us-navys-spawar-program/
This Maciej41 is probably associated with "Dr." No(wak) and his neo-Nazis. 'Nuf said.
I myself am stockpiling food and water.
Why?
Greece. California. Syria. N. Korea, especially.
I
just told everyone why I'm doing it. Is someone telling these neo-Nazi people something they're not telling us? If so, who is it?
--Lee
I've seen You were said long time ago to do so.
Don't waste Your time and pray to "Yahwe" cos he will not to hear You and helps You not.
Sleep well. :'(
Quote from: Maciej41 on April 09, 2012, 11:52:10 AM
I've seen You were said long time ago to do so.
Your English isn't good enough for me to understand. Maybe whoever tells you these things has also told about me, yes? Hope so. I'm not just anyone. Tell your friends
that.
(Use an Internet Polish-English translator software program if necessary.)
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Don't waste Your time and pray to "Yahwe" cos he will not to hear You and helps You not.
Sleep well. :'(
Adonai and Shekhinah mean something to me; " 'Yahwe' " does not. Look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh)
Why do you use a Jewish Hebrew word for your God? You aren't a Jew, are you? I am; I just don't use that word.
I
do sleep well. Every night.
--Lee
Well,guys it looks like that test was postponed because of bad weather.Hopefully soon it will be done.If you can stockpile two years(or two months) of food and water it would be great.I have at least a month myself.For water I have the Mississippi river less than a mile away.Boil it good for 15 minutes.I always heard.triffid
I heard everyone one should get two months worth of toilet paper.
Cold fusion is not dead heres a whole library of papers written on the subject http://lenr-canr.org/ (http://lenr-canr.org/) triffid
As far as one group of people hating another group I think its a waste of time.Look around in this this universe and you will see only one earth for all of us to live on.The" pale blue dot" by carl sagan says it all for me.We are here at overunity.com to grow and to be better than what we were.triffid
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BarnhartBtechnology.pdf (http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BarnhartBtechnology.pdf) cold fusion is gaining more acceptance in the us military.
Here is an interesting article,we may have cousins in the universe after all. http://news.yahoo.com/suns-sibling-stars-could-host-cousins-earth-life-113603922.html (http://news.yahoo.com/suns-sibling-stars-could-host-cousins-earth-life-113603922.html) triffid
"The idea is if a planet has life, like Earth, and if you hit it with an asteroid, it will create debris, some of which will escape into space," said astronomer Mauri Valtonen of the University of Turku in Finland. "And if the debris is big enough, like 1 meter across, it can shield life inside from radiation, and that life can survive inside for millions of years until that debris lands somewhere. If it happens to land on a planet with suitable conditions, life can start there." [Gallery: The Smallest Alien Planets (http://www.space.com/13986-gallery-smallest-alien-planets-exoplanets.html)][/size]
That means that somewhere out there in the galaxy might be your long-lost cousin.[/size]
Of course they are only talking about the microbes that can survive as spores.triffid[/size]
Donald Trump predicting massive inflation for the USA. http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Trump-warns-massive-inflation/2012/03/13/id/432355?PROMO_CODE=E67B-1 (http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Trump-warns-massive-inflation/2012/03/13/id/432355?PROMO_CODE=E67B-1) triffid
Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none has been more effective than that which deludes them with paper money. - Daniel Webster
How to have a house with no payments and no utility bills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJsDOD0dTQI&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJsDOD0dTQI&feature=relmfu) triffid
The first twelve hours of the USA dollar collapse. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3q5NyxI8nk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3q5NyxI8nk&feature=related) triffid
14 days after the dollar collapses. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAfiN9bZsSc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAfiN9bZsSc&feature=related) triffid
Get a two month supply of food ,water built up to survive all of this and stay at home out of sight when the worse is happening.triffid
Get that two month supply of toilet paper in reserve.
Quote from: triffid on April 14, 2012, 10:30:34 PM
Get a two month supply of food ,water built up to survive all of this and stay at home out of sight when the worse is happening.triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 15, 2012, 01:04:16 PM
Get that two month supply of toilet paper in reserve.
Right, triffid. I'm getting really serious about this, too. I still have a lot of bills, but I do have a couple of Chinese "knock-off" Samurai Tanto daggers that I bought in S.F. Chinatown, that I'm hand-sharpening now. The longer one should be equal to a Marine Ka-Bar survival knife when I'm done---even though the blade is made of inferior, stiff, surface-hardened low carbon steel. Better Samurai swords are made of supple, hand-forged laminated steel that's already razor sharp.
Mine will still be no worse than a sharp machete. And legal to own as self defense
(only!!), in your home.
This is about what it'll look like when I'm done:
http://www.historum.com/asian-history/34167-gallery-japanese-weapons.html (http://www.historum.com/asian-history/34167-gallery-japanese-weapons.html)
(Look at the seventh picture from the top. It's a dagger with a short handle that also has black braiding on a white background.)
--Lee
Lee I was looking at a map of the USA as predicted by Al Bielex.Sometime around 2020-2025 great changes in the earth as supposed to occur.According to his map you and I are not safe.SF will be underwater and so will I where I am now.The Mississippi river will be 50 miles wide all up and down its length.If you care to look you can find his map on u-tube.triffid
If China stops buying our debt and the markets crash like my two videos says,its mostly a manmade disaster but if nature gets involved.Nature can do a much better job of killing everybody.I would worry about the Mississippi river flooding more than i would worry about one world currency for instance.triffid
I do have a machete somewhere in storage.Harbour freight had them for five bucks when I bought it about five years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbUIlH0stSc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbUIlH0stSc&feature=related) preparing americans for hyperinflation.End the fed.Put your money into gold and silver.This video tells me that renting real estate to others will be met with rent controls.So not a good idea to rent to people.triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAZ81lqppn8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAZ81lqppn8&feature=related) A very good video on the current banking system and why it will collapse.
Pay attention to all of it.The last ten minutes explains the stock market.triffid
Another good video on the super rich,banking and the greed game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suZb9Z0b05I&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suZb9Z0b05I&feature=related)
Lessons to be learned thats for sure.Banks sometimes dont want to lend to each other (2007 no one knew who had the toxic assets or so they say).triffid
The Ascent of Money http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xx_5PuLIzc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xx_5PuLIzc&feature=related) its four hours long.
triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 18, 2012, 09:12:22 PM
The Ascent of Money http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xx_5PuLIzc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xx_5PuLIzc&feature=related) its four hours long.
triffid
triffid,
Speaking of YouTube, look at this preliminary clip:
http://www.overunitybuilder.com/bluebeam.html (http://www.overunitybuilder.com/bluebeam.html)
YouTube search: "Project Blue Beam".
In terms of preparedness, I luckily found a piece of broken 2X4 about 22" long, 2 7/8" wide at the wide end, and 1 3/4" thick. Then I wrapped 2 layers of electrician's tape around the small end. I was pleased that this made a perfect handle for what I call an "Irish American Shillelagh", since I am Irish on both sides of my family.
Since I was sharpening my tanto, I decided to 'test cut' (tameshigiri, tam-ee-shee-ghir-ee) the blade against the 'shillelagh'. I could gouge 3/4" slices into the pine hardwood with a blade that wasn't finished with being sharpened. (Seasoned pine has almost the same strength as human bone.)
Overall, I was happy with the results.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on April 18, 2012, 09:12:22 PM
The Ascent of Money http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xx_5PuLIzc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xx_5PuLIzc&feature=related) its four hours long.
triffid
triffid and all,
http://news.yahoo.com/fitch-rates-13-greek-bonds-default-100937293--finance.html
Would this be the beginning of the end?
--Lee
I understand now and i can do this work with great effort now.
Thanks for sharing such a wonderful information.
Motor Graders Auction (http://assetline.com/en/used-construction-equipment.php)For Transporting Heavy Tools And Materials, A Good And Compact Fork Lift Is Required. There Are Many Models Available, Some Are 5Fd50, Fd25T, Fj01, Ygl02, Fd35Z6.
Quote from: Ellen786 on April 19, 2012, 06:17:49 PM
I understand now and i can do this work with great effort now.
Thanks for sharing such a wonderful information.
Uh, thanks, I think. Your post is vague to my understanding. Can you be more descriptive?
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Motor Graders Auction (http://assetline.com/en/used-construction-equipment.php)For Transporting Heavy Tools And Materials, A Good And Compact Fork Lift Is Required. There Are Many Models Available, Some Are 5Fd50, Fd25T, Fj01, Ygl02, Fd35Z6.
Well, if I didn't know better, I'd say this was a commercial ad? It reads like you're trying to sell something? Can you be more specific?
I would like to stay on topic, if at all possible, as long as possible.
--Lee
The financial collaspe of Argentina http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsqa-YHE36A&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsqa-YHE36A&feature=related) What happened there will happen here too.The hyperinflation,No food to eat,empty stores.The looting of national resources for 10 cents on the dollar by multinational coporations and the government.triffid
Lee,I have no doubt that project bluebeam is real.Fake aliens,fake ufo's flying and landings.Fake sightings of religious figures.
Two way or one way commnication directly into the human brain is a reality.What happened in Argentina is happening here in the USA today.Government officials are hiding their real goals until they get elected.Its very complicated but telling lies to get elected is part of the political system all over the world.Then government and central banks make their private deals away from public view often at the cost of the public who elected them.Then multinational companies come in and try to loot the country with the supreme court of that country making their actions legal.It becomes very clear that the 10 percent of the people who grabbed everything they could do not give a damn about the 90 percent they plundered it from.There are enough resources to feed everyone.But they take the jobs away and people go hungry.A man with a job can feed his kids at his table and they don't have to eat out of the garbage of others.That happened in Argentina and will happen here in the USA.And elsewhere .Because the richest 10 percent do not care.triffid
As for treason (lying to get into power) by those who get elected there is a small book printed in french called"In praise of treason".
Treason is glorified in this book.I dont know who reads it but it was mentioned in the video on Argentina I posted a link to.Along with the saying that those with jobs don't go hungry and can feed their kids.triffid
A link to a forum on the great deception,What happened in Argentina,And whats happening in America today. http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=5524 (http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=5524)
triffid
so much to read,so little time.
AJ: And the IMF just got handed the Great Lakes. They have the sole control over the water supply now. That's been in the Chicago Tribune.
GP: Well the problem that we have is - look, the IMF and the World Bank is 51% owned by the United States Treasury. So the question becomes, what are we getting for the money that we put into there? And it looks like we are getting mayhem in several nations. Indonesia is in flames. He was telling me, the Chief Economist, Stiglitz, was telling me that he started questioning what was happening. You know, everywhere we go, every country we end up meddling in, we destroy their economy and they end up in flames. And he was saying that he questioned this and he got fired for it. But he was saying that they even kind of plan in the riots. They know that when they squeeze a country and destroy its economy, you are going to get riots in the streets. And they say, well that's the IMF riot. In other words, because you have riot, you lose. All the capital runs away from your country and that gives the opportunity for the IMF to then add more conditions.
AJ: And that makes them even more desperate. So it is really an imperial economy war to implode countries and now they are doing it here with Enron. They are getting so greedy - they are preparing it for this country.
GP: I've just been talking to, out in California just yesterday, from here in Paris, the chief investigators of Enron for the State of California. They are telling me some of the games these guys are playing. No one is watching that. It's not just the stockholders that got ripped off. They sucked millions, billions of dollars out of the public pocket in Texas and California in particular.
AJ: Where are the assets? See, everybody says there are no assets left since Enron was a dummy corporation - from the experts I've had on and they transferred all those assets to other corporations and banks.
GP: Well yea, this stuff has really gone just like a three-card Monty game. I mean remember that there is money at the bottom. You did pay California's electric bills according to the investigations, they are telling me that they were pumped up unnecessarily by 9 to 12-billion dollars. And I don't know who they are going to get it back from now.
AJ: Well they actually caught the Governor buying it for $137 per megawatt and selling it back to Enron for $1 per megawatt and doing it over and over and over again.
GP: Yea, the system has gotten completely out of control and these guys knew exactly what was happening. Well, you have to understand that some of the guys who designed the system in California for deregulation then went to work for Enron right after. In fact, here I'm in London right now and we have, the British has some responsibility here. The guy who was on the audit committee of Enron, Lord Wakeham. And this guy is a real piece of work, there isn't a conflict of interest that he hasn't been involved in.[/font][/size]
Yeah,Good old enron squeezed billions out of calif for electric power and their business accounting practices(their rot) has spread thoughout the business world.Maybe Enron is gone but their deceptive business practices are not!triffid
triffid,
Considering your posted Reply #2551:
I've talked to a very few guys who formerly had high security clearances who never mentioned Project Blue Beam. That's why I mentioned it. It was new to me. As for me? I just want to be ready for the absolute worst and then be pleasantly surprised when it turns out to be not as bad as I thought. I think you might have some truth, however. My opinion.
Keep researching.
--Lee
Hi Lee I mentioned it earlier in this thread.It lead me to the vocaloids from japan( holographic performers).About page 126 or 127 of this thread.I posted links to the vocaloids.About page 123 I mentioned project bluebeam.Thats why I was familiar with it,I found it on the internet a while ago.Anything to be kept secret by the military will be kept secret.Soldiers follow orders.triffid
My post# 2551 has so much truth to it that hurts me to think of those kids eating garbage to stay alive.While the country they are living in was looted(by the USA) thru the IMF and world bank(USA has 51% controlling interest in both).Our government and the banking system are in league with each other.The wealth has vanished into secret bank accounts And the USA is the biggest offshore banking destination in the world.So no chance of reform there.Not by the USA.Too much money to be made.Common people(the 90%) simply do not matter to these people(the richest 10%).So what can we do?Not one damn thing we are told.They are in charge and they will plunder anyone,any country that they want.With the help of government and the court systems and the banking systems of the world they will steal from whomsoever they please.
I do not think its the end of the world.Rome fell but the world kept turning.I think a person can prepare somewhat for himself.A doctor tries to save lives but he can't save everyone.One man can make a difference (Luther Burbank feeds the world today because he developed the Russett potato).You can vote people out of office but when every person who was voted in on change (turns out he lied to get into power).
Then government is flawed and should be done away with.triffid
We need government reform and money reform but we will not get it.If a man has a job he and his kids will not go hungry.What happened in Argentina is criminal just like whats happening in the USA today is criminal.The state of missouri is number 50 on the list of job creation in the
USA.I am happy I am retired.So I depend on the government for my monthly income.I certainly do not want it to stop.I wish I had more.triffid
GP: Yea right. So what we found was this. We found inside these documents that basically they required nations to sign secret agreements, in which they agreed to sell off their key assets, in which they agreed to take economic steps which are really devastating to the nations involved and if they didn't agree to these steps, there was an average for each nation that signed one-hundred and eleven items that they are required to sign on to. If they didn't follow those steps they would be cut-off from all international borrowing. You can't borrow any money in the international marketplace. No one can survive without borrowing, whether you are people or corporations or countries - without borrowing some money and having some credit and ...
AJ: Because of the debt inflation pit they've created.
GP: Yea, well, see one of the things that happened is that - we've got examples from, I've got inside documents recently from Argentina, the secret Argentine plan. This is signed by Jim Wolfensen, the president of the World Bank. By the way, just so you know, they are really upset with me that I've got the documents, but they have not challenged the authenticity of the documents. First, they did. First they said those documents don't exist. I actually showed them on television. And cite some on the web, I actually have copies of some...
AJ: Greg Palast dot com?
GP: Yea, gregpalast.com. So then they backed off and said yea those documents are authentic but we are not going to discuss them with you and we are going to keep you off the air anyway. So, that's that. But what they were saying is look, you take a country like Argentina, which is, you know, in flames now. And it has had five presidents in five weeks because their economy is completely destroyed.[/font][/size]
Want to know whats happening?Follow this guy around. http://www.gregpalast.com/ (http://www.gregpalast.com/) triffid
[Thursday February 23] Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney called the federal government’s 2009 bail-out of the auto industry, “nothing more than crony capitalism, Obama style... a reward for his big donors to his campaign." In fact, the biggest rewards ÂÂâ€" a windfall of more than two billion dollars care of US taxpayers ÂÂÂâ€"â€" went to Romney's two top contributors.[/size]
John Paulson of Paulson & Co and Paul Singer of Elliott International, known on Wall Street as “vulture†investors, have each written checks for one million dollars to Restore Our Future, the Super PAC supporting Romney’s candidacy.[/size]
Gov. Romney last week asserted that the Obama Administration’s support for General Motors was a, “payoff for the auto workers union.†However, union workers in GM’s former auto parts division, Delphi, the unit taken over by Romney’s funders, did not fare so well. The speculators eliminated every single union job from the parts factories once manned by 25,200 UAW members.[/size]
(Show me more...) (http://www.gregpalast.com/romneys-auto-bail-out-billionaires/#more-5739)[/size]
Governor Romney, while opposing the bail-out of GM, accused Obama of eliminating the pensions of 21,000 non-union employees at Delphi. In fact, it was Romney’s funders who wiped out 100% of the pensions and health care accounts of Delphi salaried retireesÂÂ.[/size]
Paulson and Singer paid an average of about 67 cents a share for Delphi. In November, 2011, Paulson sold a chunk of his holdings for $22 a share. Paulson’s gain totals a billion and a half dollars ($1,499,499,000), and Singer gained nearly a billion ($899,751,000) â€"â€" thirty-two times their investment.[/size]
One-hundred percent of this gain for the Paulson and Singer hedge funds is accounted for by taxpayer bail-out support.[/size]
But, unlike the government loans and worker concessions given to GM, the US Treasury and workers get nothing in return from Delphi.[/size]
Quote from: triffid on April 20, 2012, 11:22:36 PM
Hi Lee I mentioned it earlier in this thread.It lead me to the vocaloids from japan( holographic performers).About page 126 or 127 of this thread.I posted links to the vocaloids.About page 123 I mentioned project bluebeam.Thats why I was familiar with it,I found it on the internet a while ago.Anything to be kept secret by the military will be kept secret.Soldiers follow orders.triffid
triffid,
And I agree. Well, up to a point. The military doesn't own my mind, free will or conscience.
They. Can't. Lie. To. Me.
Also,
http://news.yahoo.com/czechs-mass-march-against-austerity-government-wobbles-151921630--business.html (http://news.yahoo.com/czechs-mass-march-against-austerity-government-wobbles-151921630--business.html)
(The Czech republic is larger, financially, than Greece. And they thought they could weather the European monetary crises??)
--Lee
Im counting on americans not willing to fire upon americans. With debate growing in Europe about how effective austerity measures are at reviving debt-choked economies, the Czechs are well-placed with a state debt load about half the European Union average, at 41.2 percent of annual economic output.The problem is that austerity measures only hit the common man not those in power.The Czechs do not have the debt that the USA has.Yet they are still having problems.[/size]
Stop thieves. Police estimated that 80-90,000 workers, students and pensioners snaked through the capital to rally in Wenceslas Square. Chanting and whistling, the crowd held banners proclaiming "Away with the government" and "Stop thieves".If I could be there I would be protesting with them.I would be banging a tin can with a spoon.triffid
If you ever watched the movie"Trading Places".Then you know how to deal with the 10% that do not give a damn.You turn those rich people into poor people legally without killing them.You make them live on the streets and eat the garbage of others.Then they will care.triffid
Here is a lot of awful truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMqb_WrnVTc&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMqb_WrnVTc&feature=related) things are really broken in this world.
triffid
The video posted above deals with the business of plunder.How modern day pirates are given a licence to steal.World war 1 was started over oil(not the way our history books say) in the same place it is today .The middle east.War is good for increasing the national debt.That why we have one after another.Like I said I found some terrible truths here.What can the average person do?Not much according to them.To them there are two types of people in the world.Those who rule and those who are to be ruled.Guess what group the average man is in?triffid
Theres really not much the average man can do except prepare himself for whats coming.Designed chaos is coming.There are those who say they know how to prepare for the planned crisis's coming.Only send $27.00 to their address and they will send you the details.Stores will be shut down.Stores will be looted for anything they have left.Looters will be shot.Plan for that.Its coming.triffid
Then when the stores are looted then hungry mobs will go house to house looking for anything to steal.Thats where your personal protection
becomes a factor.Our system works far better than you realize.The Men in charge create the booms and bust.They create the ups and downs in the business cycle.
If we are to ever reach the stars it is up to the average man to do so.I don't see international bankers doing it.triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 22, 2012, 10:20:14 AM
Theres really not much the average man can do except prepare himself for whats coming.Designed chaos is coming.There are those who say they know how to prepare for the planned crisis's coming.Only send $27.00 to their address and they will send you the details.Stores will be shut down.Stores will be looted for anything they have left.Looters will be shot.Plan for that.Its coming.triffid
...
Then when the stores are looted then hungry mobs will go house to house looking for anything to steal.Thats where your personal protection becomes a factor.
Uh huh...you betcha. Unfortunately, if one locks his front door, someone can kick or batter it in. If it's reinforced, they can try getting in through the roof, for instance.
You're right. I have two Samurai Tantos (dull; and legally bought in S.F. Chinatown) and two lengthy wood clubs that I found (
ONLY! for break-in personal self defense;
if and when law and order collapses).
I'm not going out to look for trouble.
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Our system works far better than you realize.The Men in charge create the booms and bust.They create the ups and downs in the business cycle.
Well, the Romans had a similar system and it collapsed.
But! the politicians acted similarly then, as they do now, so you do actually have a point that I absolutely agree with.
--Lee
Last Night I saw the history of the world since 1066 being so controlled by the small group of men(about 400 families).Your young sons are told to go fight to serve their country.I was told that when I was 18.I did not want to go.I wanted college instead.I was allowed to go to college.When you are young you are told so many lies.And it never stops!triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE8RtL3azDg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE8RtL3azDg&feature=related) from freedom to fascism.Watch our freedoms being taken away from us as we head towards one world government.triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpGW4YrdHBE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpGW4YrdHBE&feature=related) The end of freedom in america.triffid
This is from one of my newsletters.
Fifth, there’s a big “paper money operation†going on ... controlled by Washington, Beijing and the large investment banks ... all designed to rebalance the global economy by making the dollar worth less and the Chinese currency worth more.
You’d think, naturally, on the surface that this would be very bullish for gold. And it is, longer-term.
But right now, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that the price of gold is being successfully suppressed to keep this operation in motion.
After all, if gold were not being suppressed right now it would be soaring and instead of a controlled devaluation of the U.S. dollar all hell would break loose, making it very difficult for the “paper money operation†to proceed in any kind of orderly fashion.
As a result, I have absolutely no doubt that one of the biggest players in the gold market â€" China â€" may not be buying gold right now and may actually be selling it.
This also explains why China has taken one step after another, quietly, over the last few weeks expanding the yuan’s international role. It’s why they recently allowed JP Morgan to be one of the first foreign investment banks to trade yuan-based money markets in Hong Kong.
It’s why Beijing recently approved short selling of the U.S. dollar by its commercial banks, without hardly a mention by the major press organizations.
So the price of gold and silver is being held down by some very,very big players.If you want to invest in precious metal.Go to most any coin store and buy whats called junk silver(any silver coin predating 1964 including 1964).Jan1,2012 a law went into effect to track currency exchanges $600.00 and over.This means the purchase and sale of each coin over $600 will be reported to the federal government.So I will buy coins that won't be tracked.Silver was kept low for about 30 years by shorting the sale of it by two or more really large banks.There is lots of gold and a much smaller amount of silver in the warehouses(I will call them that.).
With them shorting the gold now.The price of gold can be kept down 30 years or more(just like silver was).
For now buy food(400 lbs of dry rice and beans,400lbs of flour,150lbs of salt,lots of apple cider vineagar).
When it comes to food think in terms of hundreds of lbs.triffid
Be sure you store your food properly or there will be bugs in it.
you go ahead and buy food just for someone else to take... i'll stick with my knowledge of trapping, hunting, fishing and growing my own.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 23, 2012, 10:46:49 AM
you go ahead and buy food just for someone else to take... i'll stick with my knowledge of trapping, hunting, fishing and growing my own.
Well, okay, you can try that.
But with my past Boy Scout experience of about 45 yrs ago, I've seen the overall ecology of the Western States decline during that time period. The beaver were killed and the forests cut down.
Mining interests completed the r-a-p-e of the land.
(The actual word for "r-a-p-e" is being deleted by the censoring software. Hence the hyphenated word.)
Care to argue?
You'll need to retreat to the
real high backwoods high country to find what you need to survive, IMHO. Am I wrong? Where is my error?
Care to argue?
What's to keep other mean-ass sons-of-bitches from doing the same thing? IMHO, you'll need to fight fire with fire and go armed and ready to fight to survive. Oh, I'm wrong?
Care to argue?
Bears and mountain lions roam these higher mountains. They're
at least unpredictable. As I said, go armed---but the 2-legged varmits will probably give you the most hassle over survival. I've lived on the streets; I know what a 'desperado' is amongst the local Spanish speakers here in S.F.
Care to argue?
--Lee
Willy,I agree with Lee here .The forests have declined in the past 100 years.Growing your own is a dream as most people went to school for professions that went overseas and no one trained to be farmers.I called missouri coin company today to see if they are filling out IRS1099 forms for $600 and over sales of gold and silver coins.I was told that law was canceled.So they are not.They should know.triffid
If China and other huge players are keeping gold and silver prices down by "shorting" the sales of both items.
Now is the time to buy some junk silver.As hyperinflation hits you will still be able to feed yourself by trading silver.
While the price is still"low".
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on April 23, 2012, 12:09:47 PM
Well, okay, you can try that.
But with my past Boy Scout experience of about 45 yrs ago, I've seen the overall ecology of the Western States decline during that time period. The beaver were killed and the forests cut down.
Mining interests completed the r-a-p-e of the land.
(The actual word for "r-a-p-e" is being deleted by the censoring software. Hence the hyphenated word.)
Care to argue?
i get 90% of my food via hunting, trapping, fishing or growing
right now... so, no need to argue, i live it. and pity those who do not.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on April 23, 2012, 12:09:47 PM
You'll need to retreat to the real high backwoods high country to find what you need to survive, IMHO. Am I wrong? Where is my error?
Care to argue?
yes, you are wrong. i don't live in the "high backwoods country" at the present.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on April 23, 2012, 12:09:47 PM
What's to keep other mean-ass sons-of-bitches from doing the same thing? IMHO, you'll need to fight fire with fire and go armed and ready to fight to survive. Oh, I'm wrong?
Care to argue?
nothing. but they don't frighten me... you're welcome to your opinion.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on April 23, 2012, 12:09:47 PM
Bears and mountain lions roam these higher mountains. They're at least unpredictable. As I said, go armed---but the 2-legged varmits will probably give you the most hassle over survival. I've lived on the streets; I know what a 'desperado' is amongst the local Spanish speakers here in S.F.
Care to argue?
--Lee
they don't frighten me either. you have fun trying to hold on to your hoarded foodstuffs in the concrete jungle with the rest of the ignorants... i'll take my chances in the natural 'jungle'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxOAK7iOlVk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxOAK7iOlVk&feature=related) fema concentration camps are mentioned here.Seems in 1982 they were going to put 21 million blacks in them.Now its everyone they can label a terrorist including ron paul supporters,gun owners and vets.Looks like 500 fema camps are planned.triffid
Barbed wire should never have been invented.triffid
Now they can unroll it from the back of a truck at about 30mph.
College class of 2012 getting rude lack of job awakening. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-2-graduates-jobless-underemployed-140300522.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-2-graduates-jobless-underemployed-140300522.html) triffid
Young adults with bachelor's degrees are increasingly scraping by in lower-wage jobs â€" waiter or waitress, bartender, retail clerk or receptionist, for example â€" and that's confounding their hopes a degree would pay off despite higher tuition and mounting student loans.[/size]
Exposing the noble lie(a 2500 year idea) to rule the masses. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SD5-xfbcJI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SD5-xfbcJI&feature=related)
Create shortages to control the population.
If the population was reduced there would still be hunger.Food is about power. Those in power would still keep certain groups hungry.
Africa could feed the world if it was allowed to.
A reality check by George Carlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Up-k4Lho8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Up-k4Lho8&feature=related)
triffid
In USA today theres a big article about gold,saying that if we return to the gold standard there would be problems due to there not being enough gold to back all the money needed.The article says that governments can manipulate the market price of gold by buying and selling it on the open market.It doesn't have to be just the US government.So my point exactly.China has enough gold to keep the price low I would think.triffid
Willy, I hope you still have enough wild game to eat when there are thousands of people trapping,hunting,and fishing along beside you.I'm all for hidden gardens.Im for hidden wealth too.Ugly wealth too.Not too many people think about that one(ugly wealth).A good example is property with IRS tax liens against it.Back in 1991 I had a chance to buy a farm in mo.for only $3,000 but it had a 6,000 dollar IRS tax lien against it.It scared me off then.But not now.triffid
I think the moon and space are the next economic booms to occur.Water ice on the moon http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Dec96/IceonMoon.html (http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Dec96/IceonMoon.html)
triffid
http://www.spudislunarresources.com/ (http://www.spudislunarresources.com/)
This paper says it would cost about 88 billion to put a permanent base on the moon to mine its water and about 400 million a year to operate.
http://www.spudislunarresources.com/Bibliography/p/102.pdf (http://www.spudislunarresources.com/Bibliography/p/102.pdf)
Interesting reading.triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 24, 2012, 10:58:27 AM
Willy, I hope you still have enough wild game to eat when there are thousands of people trapping,hunting,and fishing along beside you.I'm all for hidden gardens.Im for hidden wealth too.Ugly wealth too.Not too many people think about that one(ugly wealth).A good example is property with IRS tax liens against it.Back in 1991 I had a chance to buy a farm in mo.for only $3,000 but it had a 6,000 dollar IRS tax lien against it.It scared me off then.But not now.triffid
i don't rely on hope... there won't be as many people doing it as you think. most don't have a clue how and the rest will be busy eating each other or hoarding something useless...
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 23, 2012, 02:16:23 PM
i get 90% of my food via hunting, trapping, fishing or growing right now... so, no need to argue, i live it. and pity those who do not.
And someone can watch you carefully while you do it. I would if I were them. Anyone who can survive the collapse should be smart enough to take advantage of easier food by taking it from someone else. There'll be no law, you know. The door to my apartment can be forced or kicked in. So can yours, unless you live in an obvious Cold-War Era bunker. That by itself should be a giveaway. Hunting rifles exist as long as there's shells to load them with. Then there's arrows. Either one can get you from a distance by an experienced hunter without you seeing it coming. It only takes one shot.
No one gets away free, including
you. Oh, you
could be thinking
I might not include myself because I think I'm better than you?
Even if I can't read your mind, I have an answer for you already:
I joined a martial arts society in which the Sensei teaches hand knife(tanto) and sword defense. Now, Genius, you might have thought I didn't think of rifles and bows/arrows being shot at me as well?
Okay, okay, I've tried to think of that. I'm writing this, yes? I've survived on major city streets and I still fend for myself in S.F. on the streets. Luck, adaptability, spontaneity, endurance, creativity and intelligence; along with relevant past experience have gotten me this far. It will have to continue to do so. Best I can do now.
I didn't tell you everything, but I am very glad you allowed me the chance to debate you on these points. This is a very long thread with a bunch of viewers. Lots of people will see this exchange and I think I'm being fair enough to
allow them to decide which of us has more truth. They also have their minds to think with and free will to chose what they want to do. We can all do that.
--Lee
you are wandering off on tangents... the point is, stockpiling foodstuffs is naive and shortsighted.
what is your plan when your hoard runs out or is taken from you?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 24, 2012, 01:33:48 PM
you are wandering off on tangents...
I thought I answered your question. Oh, I see; I included additional information on weapons, didn't I? Plus the martial art group I joined. Okay, if your mind is geared to accepting only what think is important to you, I understand that. I really don't know you well at all. I'm doing again, aren't I? Okay, triffid and I are about the same in this regard. I do engineering and I give as much information as I can. Engineers do that. My Dad did that. Get used to it? Whatever.
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the point is, stockpiling foodstuffs is naive and shortsighted.
...
what is your plan when your hoard runs out or is taken from you?
That was the short answer. I do have an exit plan that doesn't involve
you. That all you get.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on April 24, 2012, 02:15:51 PM
I thought I answered your question. Oh, I see; I included additional information on weapons, didn't I? Plus the martial art group I joined. Okay, if your mind is geared to accepting only what think is important to you, I understand that. I really don't know you well at all. I'm doing again, aren't I? Okay, triffid and I are about the same in this regard. I do engineering and I give as much information as I can. Engineers do that. My Dad did that. Get used to it? Whatever.
answering my question? i didn't ask any questions prior to my last post... ::) whatever... ::)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on April 24, 2012, 02:15:51 PM
That was the short answer. I do have an exit plan that doesn't involve you. That all you get.
--Lee
and what will you do when your stockpile runs out?
you will have to either trap, fish, hunt for or grow your own food... or take it from someone else. or are you assuming that our infrastructure for those supplying those things to the ignorants will remain in place and after a month or two things will return to 'normal'?
I plan to stockpile some food, tell no one that food is "here" and send them out to the woods to trap ,hunt,and fish.Tell them how easy it is.all it takes is a hook and a worm.As far as people eating each other,maybe it does taste like chicken?Need more salt?triffid
I will kill to protect myself.Do not be mistaken about that.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on April 24, 2012, 02:24:22 PM
answering my question? i didn't ask any questions prior to my last post... ::) whatever... ::) ...
Wow, thank you! Either you're deliberately looking at previous posts to support what you assert, or your memory is excellent! I don't know which. I admit you're correct. You hadn't asked any question. Can't really care, though. We've agreed that each other disagreed on a lot of things. Obviously. >:( :P :-*
But you did ask, on this thread...remember that?!?!...when was the "collapse" I 'predicted'(my parentheses) was coming? I don't like Dr. No(wak), the neo-Nazi, but his and his group's prediction that the dollar would be worth 2-3 cents and tat the New World Order would begin rounding up people like the Nazis did before and during WWII had validity as a rumor. Rumors can turn out to have some truth sometimes. I'd say, late Winter to early Spring at the latest. Are you smart enough to realize that anything whatsoever is possible in that time frame? It's a rumor, or equal to it. You know this? My opinion, though. You actually realize that predictions like these also contain some conjecture? Right?
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...and what will you do when your stockpile runs out? you will have to either trap, fish, hunt for or grow your own food... or take it from someone else. or are you assuming that our infrastructure for those supplying those things to the ignorants will remain in place and after a month or two things will return to 'normal'?
I said I had 'an escape plan.' Food is part of it. I also said you're not included. I'm limiting my response the staying on the subject for your evidently, to me, one track mind: I have information you don't. I can be wrong, however. I'm being vague on purpose. The reason for that is also part of the longer answer. I'm telling you this for my reason(s).
For the second part of your paragraph, no, I can't remember---in such a long thread---whether I said that things were going to "return to normal" or not. That never did sound like a plausible scenario. I did remember saying the current American Administration was doing similar things to what the Roman Empire before it collapsed early in the 5th Century. This world civilization will, too, for, as I said, similar reasons. That's what triffid and myself have been doing for about 2 yrs: Telling people and showing coping strategies.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on April 24, 2012, 03:49:12 PM
I plan to stockpile some food, tell no one that food is "here" and send them out to the woods to trap ,hunt,and fish.Tell them how easy it is.all it takes is a hook and a worm.As far as people eating each other,maybe it does taste like chicken?Need more salt?triffid
I'm not going to let them get close. The movie
"The Road" comes to mind.
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I will kill to protect myself.Do not be mistaken about that.
After living on the streets lately, I'm getting to that point. Trust no one.
--Lee
I started a secret garden back in 1992.Everytime I have looked it was still there.They just look like sunflowers and the land is not mine.I also have a good knowledge of edible wild greens.Add duckweed to that list.It grows in the water.Dandelions are everywhere and you can eat them,make a coffee from the roasted roots.triffid
Plummer (http://www.alsplumbing.com/)
Economic disasters are part of the cycle there will be a boom period soon so we should not so worried about the economy.
Plummer (http://www.alsplumbing.com/)
i'm smoking the sturgeon i caught yesterday to go in the pantry... what did you guys do? did you go buy some food to stockpile? and how are you going to purify your drinking water?
Matter of fact I did buy some food to stockpile for another month.Need that tp however.Keep forgetting about that.triffid
I have a friend who says she can do without it if need be.
Yes business cycles have booms and busts,but government debt keeps going up.Amount of paper dollars in circulation keeps going up.
Today I read an article in a newspaper(USA today) saying that investors should stay out of European funds. triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 27, 2012, 04:48:47 PM
Yes business cycles have booms and busts,but government debt keeps going up.Amount of paper dollars in circulation keeps going up.
Today I read an article in a newspaper(USA today) saying that investors should stay out of European funds. triffid
Good idea, triffid:
http://www.advisorone.com/2012/04/27/sp-downgrades-spain
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2012/04/27/spain-spiraling-into-greece-territory/
http://www.advisorone.com/2012/04/25/uk-in-double-dip-recession
http://www.advisorone.com/2012/04/27/stiglitz-warns-european-austerity-is-suicide
--Lee
Austerity measures across Europe currently total about 450 billion euros ($600 billion) as the 27 members of the European Union devote their time and energy to combating the sovereign debt crisis. However, as austerity shuts down growth it has been exacerbating the situation, leading to rising job losses and decreased consumption by consumers tightening their belts; that in turn takes its own toll on businesses forced to cut back.
Authorities, said Stiglitz, could ignore austerity if it were only Greece imposing such policies on its people. He added, “but if you have U.K., France, you know, all the countries having austerity, it’s like a joint austerity and the economic consequences of that are going to be dire.â€
Despite the fact that euro zone leaders “realized that austerity itself won’t work and that we need growth,†Stiglitz said, they have taken no action to change the situation, and “what they agreed to do last December is a recipe to ensure that [the euro] dies.†He went on to say, “The problem is that with the euro, you’ve separated out the government from the central bank and the printing presses and you’ve created a big problem,†adding, “austerity combined with the constraints of the euro are a lethal combination.â€
It should scare us all that our leaders are not focused on job creation.If you have a job,you can eat and your kids can eat at your table.Not off of the garbage of others.Your kids are unique,one of a kind in all of human creation.No one else will ever have your kids.When I hear that Spain has 50% unemployment for its youth 25 and under.I know that their young people cannot plan to have families and to be able to support them.
Despite the fact that euro zone leaders “realized that austerity itself won’t work and that we need growth,†Stiglitz said, they have taken no action to change the situation, and “what they agreed to do last December is a recipe to ensure that [the euro] dies.†He went on to say, “The problem is that with the euro, you’ve separated out the government from the central bank and the printing presses and you’ve created a big problem,†adding, “austerity combined with the constraints of the euro are a lethal combination.â€
If you read the above very carefully it is designed to fail.Since the individual nations of the eu cannot print their own money.They are in a similar situation as the individual states of the USA.The states cannot print their own money either.
If your mom told you to sit and wait until she gets back and parks you on the railroad tracks.Wouldnt you be worried?
Theres a mighty big train coming soon in europe!triffid
Austerity measures should include the government leaders who lay down those rules.Not just the little guy,the common man.Economics has seen a lot of bumps in the road in the last four thousand years.If you watched"The Ascent of Money" which I posted a link to.It states in the first 20 minutes that it(money) started about 4000 years ago.The first coins were clay tablets promising to the bearer a certain measure of grain(which you could eat unlike our gold today which you cannot eat).So the first money was backed by grain.Something we might want to go back to?triffid
Fake silver bars selling on ebay.Beware!The acid used for the test is nitric acid.The bars are underweight about 28 grams made from brass coated with a thin layer of silver. Weight of one troy ounce is 31.125 grams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI5PWVGuHKo&feature=b-vrec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI5PWVGuHKo&feature=b-vrec)
A less than one hour long video about China 's trade in fakes /copies of famous name brands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5zcqgcZfOw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5zcqgcZfOw&feature=related)
triffid
Its worse than you ever thought,fake eggs,fake toothpaste,fake medicines and fake food has been found too.
Fake silver coin sold in st.Louis(i'm not surprised) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65KGMEOJYDU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65KGMEOJYDU&feature=related) fake silver coming in from china!They(the fakers) are getting better at the weights So beware!triffid
"When they do hire, companies are going after people with two years of experience or freshly minted MBA's," Cronan said. "And they're paying them nothing and a lot of people who are mid-career like me, there really is very little out there."Mid career financial people cannot find jobs in the financial sector.
Quote from: triffid on April 29, 2012, 04:12:51 PM
...If your mom told you to sit and wait until she gets back and parks you on the railroad tracks.Wouldnt you be worried?
Theres a mighty big train coming soon in europe!triffid
@everyone,
I PM'ed a personal reply to this subject to triffid, which is still personal for the most part.
Here's only my 2 cent's worth: I let the politicians make their own karma. It's on them, not me.
--Lee
It not just the government that lies to you.Steaks made with meat glue are here.And alive and well??? http://news.yahoo.com/video/pittsburghwtae-28863332/is-your-prime-steak-held-together-by-meat-glue-29102062.html (http://news.yahoo.com/video/pittsburghwtae-28863332/is-your-prime-steak-held-together-by-meat-glue-29102062.html)
yuck,triffid
Confessions of a former CIA man,radio interview he says theres enough food and money for everybody on planet earth,the government will is not there to change away from war.We could tax the federal reserve before doing away with it completely. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKlKGB3YwjE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKlKGB3YwjE) triffid
Ron Paul on the dollar bubble unraveling from the policies of the last 35 years http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6MyRQ2KpLA&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6MyRQ2KpLA&feature=related) triffid
This is nuts. 2053 nuclear explosions which have taken place between 1945 and 1998.
All shown in less that 14 min in this animated vid. Around 1962 it gets crazy.
The beginning is slow, but after 4 min in the fireworks begin.
It must be like the movie Mars Attacks, where the aliens suck the nuke explosion into a small bottle then smoke it like a bong.
No problem, 2053 nukes go off and we are ok? :o
Mags
Mags ,you forgot to post your link.I know the French tested a small nuclear device back in the late 1970's.A flash was seen from orbit and radioactive fallout was detected in the USA even with French denials.I was at the place that detected it.triffid
Well hot dang! I do forget the links sometimes. ;]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY
Mags
Most were underground after the 1960s,I believe.About 1962(the last time) I was told as a child not to eat the snow.Because they had done recent tests in the american west.I saw no mention of the one my school collected data on so add one more to that number.
Want a hint of the future?Here are the space colonies being figured into future events.Seems like 100 million strong in space by 2059.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKfCUhPnfw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKfCUhPnfw&feature=related) triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCme_K6MYLY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCme_K6MYLY&feature=related) this video shows what it would be like if a 10 kiloton nuclear device were exploded in washington DC.triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCme_K6MYLY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCme_K6MYLY&feature=related)
Robot Albert Einstein http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irXuSXmsvJw&feature=fvwp&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irXuSXmsvJw&feature=fvwp&NR=1)
If you are seeing something weird it could be a robot.
an increase in the weird factor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr_akME9l58&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr_akME9l58&feature=related)
Real robot terminators http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o02d0dgSvDA&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o02d0dgSvDA&feature=related) Nazi germany had them in ww2.
This robot sing and dances but the truth is it could be turned into a killer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZKvKEck_4k&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZKvKEck_4k&feature=related)
depends on who has the control box.triffid
You dont hear much about it but theres an ongoing war between the USA and China ,this video is a 52 minute reminder. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DznkEjYO1BA&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DznkEjYO1BA&feature=related) triffid
An article on how to raise fish in a barrel to eat and to grow some vegetables and earth worms.Maybe in an apartment?
http://stevequayle.com/News.alert/06_Prep_tips/Raising.Catfish.in.Barrel.pdf (http://stevequayle.com/News.alert/06_Prep_tips/Raising.Catfish.in.Barrel.pdf)
triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 07, 2012, 10:40:07 PM
An article on how to raise fish in a barrel to eat and to grow some vegetables and earth worms.Maybe in an apartment?
http://stevequayle.com/News.alert/06_Prep_tips/Raising.Catfish.in.Barrel.pdf (http://stevequayle.com/News.alert/06_Prep_tips/Raising.Catfish.in.Barrel.pdf)
triffid
That is a good idea, but unless you have your own place, the apartment landlord will see what you're doing. And possibly think your crazy and/or some kind of 'stinking' terrorist! (original quote is for 'stinking badges' from the movie,
"The Treasure of the Sierra Madre").
My case manager wants to see my apartment once a month. Bummer.
Note:
http://www.ft.com/indepth/greece-debt-crisis
It's obvious to me they want to drag this out as long as possible.
--Lee
And big M ,they will drag it out another 20 years.No employment for 42% of their youth in a certain age group.Real wages to be reduced by 50 % in the future.By 2020 Greeces debt will be 125% of its GNP.People have to live anyway.In spite of the bankers and government.triffid
Something awful is coming our way. http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2104/375/Disastrous_Financial_Surprise_Ahead_For_U.S._Citzens.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2104/375/Disastrous_Financial_Surprise_Ahead_For_U.S._Citzens.html)
triffid
Pastor Eels interpreted this vision as follows. The Eagle represented the United States Government passing from nearly fatal financial weakness to a position of restored power and strength. This restoration might begin during a bank holiday when the government may confiscate all bank accounts, savings accounts, safety deposit accounts, pension plans and possibly stock brokerage accounts. Certainly the grave financial status of the government which is close to bankruptcy could be used to justify seizing citizen’s assets.
There is a precedent for such action. On March 5, 1933 a bank holiday was declared by President Franklin Roosevelt which lasted one week. A friend of mine who is now 85 recalls her father arriving in their home in St. Louis, Mo. in tears completely distraught. He advised the family that all his $70,000 savings had been removed from his bank account. This was an enormous amount of money at that time.
In 1933 ownership of gold was made a criminal offense in an executive order signed by President Roosevelt. I am not aware of what percentage of private gold holdings were actually given to the government. No one knows what percentage of current gold coin owners would comply with a similar gold coin confiscation order today.
If the confiscation of private assets during a bank holiday takes place this brings about a possible major financial crisis that could have huge ramifications for the US population. Some writers have suggested that the bank holiday might be extended for months instead of 7 days so the financial impact would become far greater as very few U.S. citizens have sufficient financial resources in their homes to last several months of no cash flow. This could even lead to death by starvation in those not fortunate enough to be receiving food stamps.
Many persons believe that massive vaccination programs in children, failure to preserve U.S. soil and Canadian soil to an extent that North American soil is now the poorest of any of the continents in the world, FDA attempts to eliminate natural health products from U.S. citizens, promotion of hazardous Genetically Modified Foods without labeling, lack of warnings about dangerous margarine and transfats, mercury in amalgams, widespread usage of root canal surgery which causes chronic infection in every patient, nearly universal use dangerous sugar substitutes (http://www.newswithviewsstore.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=NWVS&Product_Code=DV6&Category_Code=DVD) (aspartame Splenda etc), governmental coercion of dangerous cancer therapies that obtain pathetic results (chemotherapy and radiation), unscientific use of the carcinogen fluoride in drinking water, dangerous levels of unreported radiation entering the US from the Fukoshima earthquake and tsunami, usage of HAARP to cause earthquakes and tsunamis, lack of adequate radiation monitoring by both the US and Canadian governments following Fukoshima are all part of an insidious program to lower the world population by 90%.
The roman legions thinned out their ranks by killing every tenth man.But now I hear that 9 out of ten are to be killed?We prefer to spend trillions of dollars on war but only give 18 billion to NASA to explore new worlds.Maybe we need to stay on earth until we get it right?Chase each other around down here on earth to kill and eat just like the dinosaurs did until the big asteroid hit?triffid
Looks like the mammals want to be just like the dinosaurs?
Looks like miracles do happen,They got a 4000 year old seed to sprout and grow. http://www.heirloom-organics.com/ar/1b.html (http://www.heirloom-organics.com/ar/1b.html)
triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 09, 2012, 08:22:27 AM
The romans thinned out their ranks by killing every tenth man.But now I hear that 9 out of ten are to be killed?We prefer to spend trillions of dollars on war but only give 18 billion to NASA to explore new worlds.Maybe we need to stay on earth until we get it right?Chase each around down here on earth to kill and eat just like the dinosaurs did until the big asteroid hit?triffid
Looks like the mammals want to be like dinosaurs?
If these insane powerful people think the planet is overpopulated, they should start by killing themselves and their children instead of ours. After all, they are the cause of the economic collapse with their insane borrowing policies. They promise the moon and borrow and tax us to death, then blame the "other" party for the policies both parties implement. It's a con game to reduce the people into servitude and dependence. Then use this as an excuse to "thin out the herd"...
Quote from: triffid on May 09, 2012, 08:05:16 AM
Something awful is coming our way. http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2104/375/Disastrous_Financial_Surprise_Ahead_For_U.S._Citzens.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2104/375/Disastrous_Financial_Surprise_Ahead_For_U.S._Citzens.html)
triffid
triffid, concerning your posted Reply #2633:
This Pastor is acting like Jeanne Dixon, the Christian seer who was popular years ago. I'm a Native American and if I do envision something, it's with my awake mind and without symbolism.
There's a lot of rumoring going around that what he says is true. My opinion? Yeah, I'd say the End Times are with us, but the exact nature of how the world will be depopulated is still questionable. The economy will collapse, however. Nobody but a survivalist mountain man can expect to not be affected. The whole world has karma to be broken---often the hard way---with pain.
--Lee
Quote from: Robert on May 09, 2012, 09:35:50 AM
If these insane powerful people think the planet is overpopulated, they should start by killing themselves and their children instead of ours. After all, they are the cause of the economic collapse with their insane borrowing policies. They promise the moon and borrow and tax us to death, then blame the "other" party for the policies both parties implement. It's a con game to reduce the people into servitude and dependence. Then use this as an excuse to "thin out the herd"...
More and more people are going to figure that out, yes. People in general are out to try and survive. Everyone is. These guys may try and do it at the expense of the country.
Reedit:
In response to the immediately previous posts by two Members:
One of the serious shocks to the economy would be at year's end when federal budget cuts mandated by law go into effect. Then this national "economic recovery" will end at that time.
--Lee
Miracles are happening .Austria could lead the way to life after oil.If I can find the video again I will post it.triffid
Found it! 55 minutes of hope for the future. http://www.hulu.com/watch/302643/did-you-know-energy-2050---life-after-the-oil-crash?c=News-and-Information/Documentary-and-Biography (http://www.hulu.com/watch/302643/did-you-know-energy-2050---life-after-the-oil-crash?c=News-and-Information/Documentary-and-Biography)
According to the video I just posted it states that there will be 9 billion people on earth by 2050(we have seven billion now) and that our
energy needs will be doubled.But states too that renewable energies can meet those needs a thousand times over.So the Gussing miracle needs to be duplicated a million times over.triffid
It seems that whenever I hear about the elite they want a population reduction of 90%.Since they pollute the air in china where their unregulated new factories are, they think they are safe from it .The jet streams from china carry that pollution worldwide.So no place is safe on earth from pollution anywhere on earth.All of the weather systems are connected.So now I hear that 1 out of three americans will get cancer.About 1900 about 1 in 20 got it.Good thing the elite is in that number too.They in the end cannot hide forever from the pollution they caused.triffid
Some free software to download,includes antivirus and antimaleware programs. http://www.filehippo.com/ (http://www.filehippo.com/)
triffid
In his book "Beyond Outrage" the author states that the top 1 % makes too much money.He says too that in 2010, 93% of all the gains in the american economy went to the top 1%.That leaves 7% of the money to flow around for the rest of us 99%.In his book he says it can be fixed but I don't see how.
http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Outrage-economy-democracy-ebook/dp/B0078XCKUA (http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Outrage-economy-democracy-ebook/dp/B0078XCKUA) triffid
He says this started in the 1970's.
What one reader posted about this book.
I don't believe this President is doing All he can -look at who he has appointed-Geithner and Big Bank Corporate heads to guide us out of this recession (while the Rich get RICHER) & absolutely REFUSES to hold those responsible for bringing this economy to Brink responsible!While I agree with most of what Robert says and believe in the principles he professes - I was very disappointed with the 3rd section as to what we can do. People are busy just trying to get by and don't have time to sit at meetings to create change let alone sit with people whose arrogance and mantra is "NO, I've Got Mine and You Can't have any." Besides those people aren't interested in listening anyway. But on our side there are SO many different groups all fragmented to their slice. Occupy is the only group making a difference and corporate media is taking every chance they can to associate them with criminals and terrorists. Sad to say, but this county is in a race to the bottom!
What another reader posted.
"The tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 - and extended for two years in 2010 - in 2011 saved the richest 1.4 million taxpayers ( the top 1 percent) more money than the rest of America's 140.89 million taxpayers received in total income." This quote from the intro seems impossible - if the cuts reduced the 1%'s tax rates by 5% then 5% of their income equal 100% of the income of the rest of us, so that would mean they have 95% of the total income?
So in 2010 they got 93% of the income.
triffid
What another reader posted and I feel that his view is the best one I've found so far.
He points out that things weren't always this way. Under Republican President Eisenhour (from 1953-1960)top income tax rates were 90%, and effective total rate was 52%. We were prosperous, progressive and happy. (The period was marked by the expression "I like Ike!")What has happened in this country is that business ran roughshod over everyone else with no control or regulation from the end of the civil war until the end of the gilded age, and came crashing down on America's head with the Great Depression. Before that, it would be difficult to gauge America's ideological polarity, but following the abortive Hoover administration and it's introduction of 25% unemployment, the needle swung dramatically to the LEFT.It's been pointed out time and again that the subsidies of the FDR administration failed to bring America out of the depression (Just as President Obama's administration has failed to bring us out of the Great Recession of 2008.) But we saw and can easily revisit what the programs and activity of the Hoover Administration brought the country. Actually FDR DID succeed in getting us into the war (early with lend-lease)which DID end the depression.A liberal bias ruled this country beginning with FDR and the New Deal and extending to the next big wave of social legislation with the Great Society of Lyndon Johnson. This period (1932-1978) saw a wave of legislation, executive decisions and political activity that created an environment that expanded both the middle class, and its relative earnings and wealth within the greater economy. Not only did more people make more money, but huge groups of people previously discriminated against gained unprecedented rights. It meant something to be an American.
During this same period resistence to these laws, regulations and policies began to sponsor organized resistance. Some of the chief vehicles of resistance were the US Chamber of Commerce, the Business Council and the NRA. Wealthy individuals and large companies were natural allies in resistance to the Great Society programs and regulations and each year after 1978 saw them become progressively more effective. The end result is what you see today.
My point in taking you through all this boring exposition is that it took a long time to establish a successful Liberal bias in this country, and just as long to produce a Conservative one. There are no simple answers. The last 20% of this book is just silly, like the last (calls to action) part of ALL his books. It may say something about why he failed in his attempt to become the Massachusetts governor.
So, while his indictment of WHERE WE ARE is spot on, his recommendations for solving it are a joke.
The minions of the right have organized several well-funded (American Enterprise Institute, Heritage Foundation, etc.) think tanks to carry and advance their standard. They have funded (every large business in America) thousands of lobbyists--thousands more than liberals--to pursue further tax cuts, redactions of regulations and outright opposition to any Liberal agenda. And they have won over the support of ALL fundamentalist religious movements by adopting (it wasn't part of "Conservatism" during the Goldwater era) their social agenda. (Otherwise, they sink back into the "loyal opposition" position they occupied when Democratic majorities exceeded the 60% threshold)
The question I ask Mr. Reich is, "How are you going to assemble an effective resistence to this alignment?" The answer is not in this book, it's not in any of Mr. Reich's books. The recommendations in all his books are just so much left-wing mumbo jumbo. See how easily I dismissed that. That's a tried and true tactic of Conservatives. They load the language to make Liberal a dirty word, and steadfastly deny Democrats the right to become an adjective. (democratic party)
Still, things WILL change. He mentions the Arab spring, but fails to credit its moment of inception. On December 17, 2010, a Tunisian street vendor named Mohamed Bouazizi immolated himself in protest to the actions of the country's regime. President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, ruler since 1987, abdicated on January 14, 2011, unofficially sanctioning the Arab spring. This is an example of one man making a significant difference. There was obviously enormous pent up dissatisfaction, but it required a compelling event to effect its release.
No one questions the courage of Mr. Reich's convictions, but unless he is willing to follow the examble of Mr. Bouazizi, I would suggest he keep his recomendations to himself. This book IS recommended if you are in doubt that things should change, but it is the intellectual equivalent of East Side cocktail party chatter. It's light and provocative, but the substance is diluted. No footnotes, not the first traceable attribution of source.
For a much better version of the same thing Reich attempts read Winner-Take-All-Politics by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson.
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No doubt So, while his indictment of WHERE WE ARE is spot on, his recommendations for solving it are a joke. I agree with this assessment.
I believe the Gussing miracle should be duplicated a million times over.Afterall there will be a future without oil and Austria is leading the way in making renewables( energy) pay its own way.People are paying attention to what happened in Gussing,Austria.
The top one percent do not spend enough money to keep our economy going.What will happen to us when the top one percent earn 98 percent of all the income?In the good old US of A?I saw a headline in the newspaper that said 2 out of 3 americans are thinking the USA economy will improve.All I could think was how little do they know?When I was growing up my mom and dad had all the money.But they cared about what happened to me.This one percent does not care about the rest of us.triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 15, 2012, 10:00:44 AM
The top one percent do not spend enough money to keep our economy going.What will happen to us when the top one percent earn 98 percent of all the income?...
Europe has a problem when it looks looks like even their 1% has trouble staying afloat:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/greece-hold-election-jolts-euro-144543745.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/greece-hold-election-jolts-euro-144543745.html)
Right. They're running out of time for a comfortable living.
--Lee
I hope Greece drops the euro and goes back to what they had.It would be a lesson to the central banks.We need a coin that a small group of men cannot hoard.Its not in my best interest to not have money to spend.I need money too.I think we should go with something like e-coin.
I posted a link to it twice and I think the money should be backed by food.Grain if you want.Beef if you want.
I found something new(to me) today.Its rather big I think. http://www.instructables.com/id/SODA-CAN-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/SODA-CAN-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR/)
They use a liquid metal gallium alloy to treat the surface of aluminum metal so an oxide does not form and the water attacks the aluminum to form hydrogen gas and alumina.
Quote from: triffid on May 15, 2012, 08:01:10 PM
I hope Greece drops the euro and goes back to what they had.It would be a lesson to the central banks.
triffid & all,
This is a lot of the problem: Continued spending in Europe and this country,
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/morning-examiner-europe-proves-republicans-right/526881
This has no good end. That's all there is to it.
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We need a coin that a small group of men cannot hoard.Its not in my best interest to not have money to spend.
Uh, good idea, but someone will always try and get around that. Human nature and organized crime. I wish it weren't so.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on May 15, 2012, 08:01:10 PM
I need money too.
no. you do not. you want money... you are confusing wants with needs. there isn't a single form of life on this planet that "needs" money. it is not a necessity to survival.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 16, 2012, 02:57:58 PM
no. you do not. you want money... you are confusing wants with needs. there isn't a single form of life on this planet that "needs" money. it is not a necessity to survival.
Okay, you addressed that to triffid. I need money for an apartment. Living outside is too difficult. Otherwise, I can get by on the streets. Others need money more than I do.
Technically, I agree with you. You're welcome. >:( :P :-* ;D ::) ::)
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on May 16, 2012, 03:11:32 PM
Okay, you addressed that to triffid. I need money for an apartment. Living outside is too difficult. Otherwise, I can get by on the streets. Others need money more than I do.
Technically, I agree with you. You're welcome. >:( :P :-* ;D ::) ::)
--Lee
no. you don't need money for anything... you WANT money for an apartment because it is more convenient than living outside or building a shelter of your own. ::) wrong again. NO ONE NEEDS MONEY... they want it. you NEED air, you NEED water, you NEED food and possibly, depending on your geographical locale, you NEED shelter. you don't need money.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 16, 2012, 03:16:26 PM
no. you don't need money for anything... you WANT money for an apartment because it is more convenient than living outside or building a shelter of your own. ::)
Asshole! I almost froze to death the last time I was on the street! Like you know what I'm going through?!?!
Like you give a damn?!?!
San Francisco has hard winters for the elderly and women on the streets. Don't gimme your shit!
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on May 16, 2012, 03:24:51 PM
Asshole! I almost froze to death the last time I was on the street! Like you know what I'm going through?!?!
Like you give a damn?!?!
San Francisco has hard winters for the elderly and women on the streets. Don't gimme your shit!
--Lee
learn the difference between wants and needs... ::)
should i?
and northern minnesota has harder winters than san fran... so what? build a tepee like your ancestors did. ::) here's a tip, fire keeps you warm.
edit:
http://wemustknow.net/2012/05/no-place-like-home-cave-in-the-utah-desert-where-man-who-has-given-up-money-lives/
The bank society does not win to give for one own unit one unit credit,
the bank society wins to give for one own unit up to ten "virtual" credit units and that means that up to 90% of the total worldwide bank system is only existing as "great ballon" .
It is legal,yes ,political accepted ,yes
also by the catholic church and the christian parties
but it is a fake and lier system !
I exspect : these 90% worldwide debit will be hair-cutted !
Sincerely
CdL
Greece will survive as a nation!It survived the Romans,It will survive the EU.I had to leave my home when I was young by rebelling against my mom.She wanted me to go to work and give her my money.I went to college instead.Sometimes you have to rebell.I had two people just yesterday try to move into my dads house with me.I had to say NO,NO,NO.They were still in another state.So we talked over the phone.Their plan had been to bring a truckload of their stuff here and try to park it in my house.Without asking!Just showup!I have known both of them for 34 years.They are shipwrecks in their own right.Neither one pays rent or utilities.Brothers to each other.Not to me!triffid
Willy,Last time I checked Man was the only so called intelligence species on this planet.All the others(species) meet their needs by chasing and eating
each other.So most of us(men anyway) need money.If we are going to live in cities peacefully together.
Men need money as a medium of exchange.Animals do not.I am a man so I both need and want money.triffid
If you doubt that I have two"men" to send your way.They want to live for FREE.
Their lies work on those people who do not know them.
Quote from: triffid on May 16, 2012, 05:47:42 PM
Willy,Last time I checked Man was the only so called intelligence species on this planet.All the others(species) meet their needs by chasing and eating
each other.So most of us(men anyway) need money.If we are going to live in cities peacefully together.
men don't need money. mankind existed for thousands of years without money. thus money is not a need. Q.E.D.
The concept of money is four thousand years old.When men started building cities.Thats when money became useful.Before that everyone shared the hunt?So you are saying we do not need it now?So my two friends who are trying to live for FREE should not have a problem?Funny everyone who has known them for 30 years(me 34) sees a problem.They want to leech off of anyone they can,blow what money they get at the casinos .Spend one day at the casinos .Blow a small paycheck there and refuse to pay the electric bill,the rent.The only reason they have food is that the casinos does not take food stamps.Soon the casinos will realize they overlooked that moneymaker too and figure out how to take foodstamps too.If you want cities then men need a medium of exchange.Try bartering.Its a medium of exchange.Its hard to hoard
one million beaver skins or one million dried fish.I would love to smell a giant fish smell coming out of a central bank.I think a lot of us are starting to smell their offensive odor anyway.triffid
My two friends are using"money".Its other peoples money they want to use.Not their own money so they are still using money.When we lived in caves we were hunters and gatherers.When beer was discovered in barley that had been left outside in the rain,everyone asked how can we grow more of this stuff?Make more beer?That's when cities started.To make more beer.Beer has been the real fuel of our civilization.
Don't believe me about beer? Heres my proof: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=how+beer+saved+the+world+watch+online&view=detail&mid=0E0BDA5DCA36544B12650E0BDA5DCA36544B1265&first=0 (http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=how+beer+saved+the+world+watch+online&view=detail&mid=0E0BDA5DCA36544B12650E0BDA5DCA36544B1265&first=0)
its in three parts,this is part 1(above).
TIME LIFE books,theme "Plants":
the earth has sufficient natural resources for 300.000.000 human habitants,
without agriculture. 1500 lived on earth 300.000.000 human people !
Today are living 7.000.000.000 human habitants on earth ,only surviving through the agriculture !
And with many metropolitan aereas with habitant densities over 3000 hab./qkm worldwide !
How,without money,the market there will work ?
Who will define the (barter/tender)value that has to be compensated between seller and buyer ?
Accepted and also compensated(=tribut) by both sides !
The relationship between religion and the comercial market you find here:
the forum romanum protected by god mercator ! ,mercado( spanisch/portuguese),market(engl.),Markt(germ.) !
The temple/the church has been the comercial forum ,the market !
Church-/Kirchen-Messe/fair= short Kirmes
But we have now markets without religion,markets without frontier and to freeze,,to live as rolling stone,to be thursty and hungry and probably also ill and without help and values to compensate the medicine !
Sincerely
CdL
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 16, 2012, 03:39:51 PM
learn the difference between wants and needs... ::)
I do know. The politicians are keeping most for themselves. And they don't need
that much. I've been given information you propably haven't been given. If you want to know what it is, read my mind. :-X
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... should i? ...
You really are intelligent.
Good point. We've already agreed that we both don't give a damn about the other's opinions.
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... and northern minnesota has harder winters than san fran... so what? ...
I spent a year in Maine while serving in the USAF.
That's so what.
Please try and figure out what I'm insinuating!
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... build a tepee like your ancestors did. ::) here's a tip, fire keeps you warm. ...
Some of my ancestors were Saami hunter/gatherers in Finland. The Saami have tipis just like Native Americans. Which kind do you suggest? Tip: I'm being sarcastic and trying to be facetious as well. ;D :-* :P Now you know how I feel and possibly others when you do something like that to me and a few others.
Seriously, though, Shelters and open fires are illegal in S.F. The cops are also cracking down on the homeless sleeping on the streets. Some of those cops were probably bullies in school. Studies show a career path correlation between schoolyard bullying and those who grow up to join a police force. About 10%, on average. And they have a tendency to mistreat their wives and/or children as well.
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edit:
http://wemustknow.net/2012/05/no-place-like-home-cave-in-the-utah-desert-where-man-who-has-given-up-money-lives/ (http://wemustknow.net/2012/05/no-place-like-home-cave-in-the-utah-desert-where-man-who-has-given-up-money-lives/)
I had to do some of that on the streets. The outdoors doesn't suit my body type, though. Way too hard and unnecessary, also. The hell with that: I said I had an exit plan from S.F. and it doesn't included anyone else, just like Suelo. Read my mind for the answer, 'cause that's all you're getting. :-X
Both you and 'Dr.' No(wak), the neo-Nazi, eventually stop writing after a while, especially him. Frankly you two act alike in some ways:
1) You both have shitty opinions I don't like
2) Yours and his general message are a piss-off to me
--Lee
triffid,
Concerning your posted Reply #2661, read this:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/02/world/europe/greece-papathanasopoulou-family/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/02/world/europe/greece-papathanasopoulou-family/index.html)
I thought of this country, and California, where I live.
And this:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/05/nightmare-scenarios-if-greece-exits-euro/52312/
--Lee
Big M,her story reminds me of the 9-11 stories I heard so many of in a short time after it occurred.Life is often so unfair.The 1% have betrayed the 99%.Pure and simple.
"The numbers of really poor people has doubled," Tsimas says. "And the middle classes, who established themselves in the 80s, have lost their sense of security. They have the fright of the fall that could come every other day. " Further, he said, "there are millions in the public sector who feel betrayed."
We have unlimited resources in space.Here on earth we need to duplicate the Gussing,Austria miracle a million times over.They went from depending on oil companies to be independent of them.Renewable energies can supply us a 1000 times over what we need.Here on Earth!
Metals and other materials exist in space in unlimited quanities.More water is in the solar system than on earth.Give NASA ten trillion dollars for a space program and see what happens.Even Venus, in spite of the hell that it is, has resources that we could use.Anyway we can copy the Gussing,Austria without going into space.triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 17, 2012, 01:07:19 PM
Big M,her story reminds me of the 9-11 stories I heard so many of in a short time after it occurred.Life is often so unfair.The 1% have betrayed the 99%.Pure and simple.
Yeah, her death bothered me, too. It was unnecessary, and the ones who started the fire are responsible. Fine. They have her death on their hands. The operative phrase is, "Heavy karma."
The run on Greece's banks, which I mentioned awhile ago, could continue. As it is anyway, their economy is still "in the toilet," as I think I also mentioned previously as well.
--Lee
Portable Energy (fuels and gas) are only a small part of the resources about we are concerned !
And Guessing/Austria has "only" an energy autonomy (like a community in the german black forest since the eightees ) !
The european ,better: EURO member estates, situation will not be solved in the next years giving as an example Portugal public debit facts and the resolving plans :
the country debit,PIB related, is 130% high and the government only want to decrease the debit to 90% in the year 2030 ! Maastricht "EURO member" contract debit peak criterium: 60 % !
Sincerely
CdL
p.s.: at first I would explore the moon
CdL, Ill explore the moon with you.Gussing ,Austria is a shining example to us all.It may be too late for some countries.But 2050 will be here anyway.EU or not.triffid
Besides the economic meltdown in europe and the rest of the world there is global warming and the tens of thousands of nuclear tipped missles that russia and the USA still have pointed at each other(yes they are still pointed at us and them).Only 20 nuclear warheads going off could bring on a nuclear winter and the end of all mankind.Accidents do happen?
Welcome to Los Alamos, New Mexico, the United States of America, the CITY OF FIRE. Our fires are BRIGHTER THAN A THOUSAND SUNS. It was once believed that only God could destroy the world, but scientists working in Los Alamos first harnessed the power of the atom. The power released through fission and fusion gives many men the ability to commence the destruction of all life on Earth. The first atomic bomb was designed and built here. It was at Trinity Site (33 degrees, 44 minutes, 38 seconds North latitude and 106 degrees, 28 minutes, 29 seconds West longitude) on July 16, 1945, at 5:29:45 AM that the first nuclear bomb was detonated. Trinity Site is 2 degrees, 8 minutes, 29 seconds and 153.2 miles southwest of Los Alamos. Two cities in Japan, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed by single atomic bombs on August 6th and 9th, 1945 bringing an end to World War II. Now, 60 years later, Los Alamos, obedient to the almighty Pentagon, carries on its awesome, assigned mission to assure continuing nuclear capability. Nuclear bombs cannot be used rationally and dreams for safe and useful nuclear power may never be realized. It is only in Los Alamos that the potentials for unimagined, fantastic good and demonstrated, horrendous evil are proximate. There is no assurance that man will pass safely through the Nuclear Age into a benign Solar-Hydrogen Age.
http://www.blackholesurplus.com Just a reminder .triffid
Another debt increase in congress is looming. http://www.buzzle.com/articles/white-house-and-gop-posturing-ahead-of-debt-limit-debate.html (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/white-house-and-gop-posturing-ahead-of-debt-limit-debate.html) triffid
Spain is now in the news."Confidence in Spain's banks and its teetering economy was shaken Thursday after a newspaper reported that depositors were rushing to withdraw their money from Bankia, a troubled bank that was effectively nationalized just one week ago.
"Adding to the anxiety, rating agency Moody's downgraded its credit ratings on Spanish banks. The banking sector has been hit hard by a collapse in the Spain's property market and is facing tough funding rules that many analysts fear it can't afford."
"Bankia SA, the country's fourth-largest lender, saw its shares fall as much as 27% during trading in Madrid after the El Mundo newspaper reported the bank was hit with more than â,¬1 billion ($1.27 billion) of withdrawals since the government announced the takeover.
"The amount taken out by bank customers is equivalent to all withdrawals made from Bankia in the first three months of the year."
All the central banks can think to do is print more paper money.That means that gold and silver will keep going up.14 silver dimes to an ounce of silver.You can buy that from most coin shops as junk silver.I would buy a little.You can't eat it Unopened bars of soap and packs of cigarettes would be ok for barter. Ammo is good for barter,be careful who you trade it to.Pretty soon the wild ,wild west will be back upon us.
I have been hearing lately that I can wear a gun on my belt here in st.Louis,mo. out in the open.And I'm within the law.I don't know if its true.
triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 21, 2012, 08:13:40 AM
All the central banks can think to do is print more paper money.That means that gold and silver will keep going up.14 silver dimes to an ounce of silver.You can buy that from most coin shops as junk silver.I would buy a little.You can't eat it Unopened bars of soap and packs of cigarettes would be ok for barter. Ammo is good for barter,be careful who you trade it to.Pretty soon the wild ,wild west will be back upon us.
I have been hearing lately that I can wear a gun on my belt here in st.Louis,mo. out in the open.And I'm within the law.I don't know if its true.
triffid
triffid, concerning post #2674,
People in Arizona can carry guns; I knew a man who did.
The banks in Europe have a potential problem:
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Efforts to keep Greece out of default and in the eurozone grow more uncertain by the day.
The next few months will determine how successful those efforts will be. And the ramifications could prove crucial for other troubled European countries, as well as the broader global economy.
Investors fear that if Greece's situation worsens, it could lead to a "Lehman (http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/16/markets/thebuzz/index.htm?iid=EL)" moment that causes a meltdown in global financial markets.
Yep, the crap can easily hit the air conditioner. California is in a similar situation.
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Here's what's coming up.
In coming days: Lifeline for banks The European Central Bank stopped providing loans to some Greek banks last week, saying the banks needed to recapitalize before loans would resume. The recapitalization is expected to be completed within days.
We'll see about that. Greek bank runs are a sure thing if confidence in the financial system erodes further. As it is, recapitalization is no guarantee that runs will stop.
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June 17: Parliamentary elections The first round of voting on May 6 denied the previous ruling coalition the seats it needed to form a new government. But none of the other parties were able to form a coalition, requiring new elections (http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/15/markets/greece-election-risk/index.htm?iid=EL).
Syriza, a coalition of leftist parties, has gained support in polls and is poised to finish first in the next round of voting, though its ability to form a government is still in doubt.
Syriza has vowed to fight the wildly unpopular austerity measures (http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/10/markets/greece_vote/index.htm?iid=EL) that were a condition for Greece to get the â,¬130 billion bailout agreed to in March. Syriza leader Alexis Tsipras (http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/16/alexis-tsipras-austerity-will-send-us-directly-to-the-hell/?iid=EL) vows that if European leaders continue to insist on austerity for Greece, the country will default on its debt and plunge Europe into its own economic crisis.
The people act like some American politicians: Me, now. Don't give a damn about others. That attitude will cause drastic changes in Europe if they decide to go ahead.
End of June, the troika weighs in By the end of June, officials from the troika are due back in Athens to certify that the Greek government is moving ahead with the agreed upon austerity measures, in order to approve the next bailout payment -- likely about â,¬5 billion.
Greece has already received â,¬107.9 billion.Greece: The anatomy of a default (http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/05/16/greece/?iid=EL)
Early July: Bills start to come due The Greek government could start to run out of the money it needs to run its basic operations -- to pay government employees and keep the lights on -- if it doesn't get its next round of funding, according to Mohit Kumar, fixed income analyst for Deutsche Bank.
After default: Bank run, euro exit, contagion possible If the money runs out, there is widespread belief that Greece will be forced out of the eurozone (http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/17/news/economy/greece-downgrade/index.htm?iid=EL). What's far less clear is how this would happen, since the treaty creating the common currency now used by 17 nations never envisioned a country dropping out.But as the possibility of an exit becomes more real, either due to election results, a denial of additional help by the troika or the Greek government running out of money, the so-called bank jog could quickly develop into a full-fledged bank run, as Greek bank customers (http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2012/05/18/n-greece-london-cash.cnnmoney/?iid=EL) try to protect their savings in euros.
First Published: May 21, 2012: 5:01 AM ET
(Off the Internet, today, 21 May., from CNNMoney. A direct, albeit paraphrased, quote. Their original article; all credits to them.)I could take this article apart and "line-item" respond to specific points, but there's not enough time on this computer.
--Lee
The end of june,2012 will be interesting indeed.I called the coin shop today.They are selling silver dimes at 21 times face value.So a dollars worth is 21 dollars.To buy,not to sell.Better buy food now.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/greek-meltdown-wont-end-world-124914580.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/greek-meltdown-wont-end-world-124914580.html) A nice refreshing view.triffid
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/poverty-increasing-among-retirees-164453772.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/poverty-increasing-among-retirees-164453772.html)
Not good news at all!
I exspect a lever/hedge factor 37 between bank account virtual units and cash=money unit !
37 x first credit -consumer-step = multiplicated with 0,3
x second credit -economy-step economy=multiplicated with 0,3
x third credit -estate-step= multiplicated with 0,3
=1 rest -real- value
I am waiting since 1984 for the global debit hair-cut but not 90% I think about 36 hair-cut units: from each 37 !
Sincerely
CdL
Quote from: triffid on May 21, 2012, 08:03:03 AM
Spain is now in the news."Confidence in Spain's banks and its teetering economy was shaken Thursday after a newspaper reported that depositors were rushing to withdraw their money from Bankia, a troubled bank that was effectively nationalized just one week ago.
Quick note:If Greece was a "whammy", this is a "
triple whammy." Spain is a lot larger than Greece with it's economy.
--Lee
Now the "Deutsche Bank" spend as idea to introduce in Greece a G-Euro currency,
probably later in Portugal the P-Euro,in Spain the S-Euro and France the F-Euro ,Italy the I-Euro
and then in Germany:
also :the G-Euro ? ??? NO,like in Netherland and Finland : the G(ulden) M(ark) 8) !
Sincerely
CdL
Sounds like they are grasping at straws? On this side of the pond better not father any children with your frozen sperm after you are dead.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/twins-conceived-dad-died-wont-143716970.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/twins-conceived-dad-died-wont-143716970.html) Not the typical dead beat father type of stuff.triffid
Big M,this is a way to treat your water once the city shuts down.Very low tech but it works.Kills anything living in the water.
Low-tech Solar Water Purification: It works
TANZANIA â€" A village is piloting a new way to purify water with simple means. The method is so simple it hurts to think that it has not been put into wide use. Take a transparent plastic water bottle, fill it up with water, lay it on a black roof for several hours. If the sun is beating down good, one hour is enough.Low-tech Solar Water Purification: It works triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 22, 2012, 12:49:17 PM
Big M,this is a way to treat your water once the city shuts down.Very low tech but it works.Kills anything living in the water.
Low-tech Solar Water Purification: It works
TANZANIA â€" A village is piloting a new way to purify water with simple means. The method is so simple it hurts to think that it has not been put into wide use. Take a transparent plastic water bottle, fill it up with water, lay it on a black roof for several hours. If the sun is beating down good, one hour is enough.Low-tech Solar Water Purification: It works triffid
Whoa, triffid!
Good idea! I have a lot of empty water bottles.
--Lee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_water_disinfection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_water_disinfection) Seems its been around since 1996 or 1998? The article explains whats happening.
I wish all of our problems could be solved so easily.triffid
Big M, just something to read here. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3053/what-s-the-likeliest-doomsday-scenario (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3053/what-s-the-likeliest-doomsday-scenario)
triffid
Something else of importance here. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/40/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/40/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati) triffid.
I am here to enlighten myself as well as others.
Very likely what really happened at Roswell,the rest is just entertainment. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/967/did-a-flying-saucer-crash-near-roswell-new-mexico-in-the-1940s (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/967/did-a-flying-saucer-crash-near-roswell-new-mexico-in-the-1940s) triffid
More truth from the straight dope people on social security. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1067/are-the-social-security-trust-funds-a-sham (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1067/are-the-social-security-trust-funds-a-sham) triffid
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2615/how-did-rocks-from-mars-end-up-here-on-earth (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2615/how-did-rocks-from-mars-end-up-here-on-earth)
Mentions a moon meteorite made it to the Antarctic.
Fukushima: If Number 4 Collapses, Japan Will Be Evacuated (http://www.infowars.com/fukushima-if-number-4-collapses-japan-will-be-evacuated/)
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May 23, 2012
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmodernsurvivalblog.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F04%2Ffukushima-reactor-4-fuel-pool.jpg&hash=377eb9ce656793e77d00c7a1372c39a44f9635e6)Fukushima Daiichi Reactor building 4 with its exposed fuel pool. Chris Canine â€" who has 15 years experience as a health physics technician, chemist and radiation safety instructor â€" told Energy News (http://enenews.com/former-fukushima-daiichi-worker-i-believe-the-country-will-be-evacuated-if-the-no-4-spent-fuel-pool-collapses-should-be-hundreds-or-thousands-of-people-working-furiously-every-day) that if number 4 reactor fuel pool at Fukushima collapses, Japan will be evacuated.
He did not elaborate on how such a logistical nightmare would be accomplished.
Canine worked at Fukushima in the late 1970s and has also worked at over twenty nuclear plants in the United States, Japan and Mexico.
He wrote:
There are several reasons why I believe the country will be evacuated if the #4 SFP collapses. The amount of radioactive material in the fuel pool dwarfs the total amount at Chernobyl by a factor of 5 to 10. Chernobyl’s core was still mostly contained in a building (although heavily damaged), and most of the radioactive material melted downward and became lava like. If #4 SFP collapses it will be lying on the completely open ground, probably going critical on and off in portions of the pile for years. The dose rate from this pile will make dropping sand or anything from the air much more lethal than anything at Chernobyl. And probably impossible. The entire site at Fukushima will be uninhabitable and unworkable because of the dose rate coming from this pile of fuel. That means there will be no control of the other fuel pools, and we could lose control of them.
Nuclear experts will soft sell the ramifications because that is how the industry works. When the experts “have concerns†about the situation at #4 that means they are pooping their pants. My experience at Fukushima was 30 years ago. I worked in the industry for about 15 years as a health physics technician. I was also referred to as a “nuclear gypsy†because I traveled from plant to plant working outages. That meant I was always in the middle of the hottest jobs in the heart of the plant. The engineers will talk about this part or that part of a plant, but I have been all those places wearing full gear.
In late February of this year it was reported that the Japanese government considered evacuating (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/world/asia/japan-considered-tokyo-evacuation-during-the-nuclear-crisis-report-says.html) the country’s most populous city, Tokyo.
A number of experts have called for evacuating areas of the country due to high radiation levels. Australian physician and anti-nuclear activist Dr. Helen Caldicott (http://truth-out.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=3049:fukushima-crisis-caldicott-says-evacuate-northwest-japan) said in August that response by the Japanese government to the radiation danger posed by the destroyed plant has not been sufficient.
“The number of people evacuated is nothing compared to the total number of people at risk in Fukushima, which has a population of around two million or so in the prefecture,†Caldicott said.
She called for the immediate evacuation of the area northwest of Fukushima where people have been exposed to massive amounts of radiation. “The levels at which the Russians evacuated Chernobyl was at 500,000 becquerels,†she explained, “they have measured in these areas levels of between 3.5 and 14.5 million becquerels.â€
Earlier this month, the Japanese newspaper Mainichi (http://enenews.com/mainichi-expert-sr-writer-all-eastern-japan-evacuated-fukushima-plant-abandoned/comment-page-1) reported that TEPCO, the plant operator, had requested government permission to abandon the stricken facility following hydrogen explosions at the number 1 and 3 reactors and this “may very well have meant evacuating all of eastern Japan.â€
http://www.infowars.com/fukushima-if-number-4-collapses-japan-will-be-evacuated/
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And do you wonder "where" they will go...?
Not good at all.20 million homeless.
I like this website. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2641/is-oil-production-in-decline (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2641/is-oil-production-in-decline)
they give lots of answers.
More great answers. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/719/how-much-money-is-there (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/719/how-much-money-is-there)
triffid
The whole financial system is a house of cards. [/size]Probably during that last example you were thinking, jeez, what if Uncle Cecil drew out his $100, as he was legally entitled to do? It wouldn't be there! Righto. If everybody decided to take what they had coming out of their accounts and bury it in the garden, the financial system would collapse, civilization would end, and we'd all go back to being hunter-gatherers. The modern world is made possible by the trust and sheeplike predictability of millions of depositors. (Deposit insurance makes it less of a crapshoot than it once was.)[/size]
Ok the answer I was looking for to begin with http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2988/is-nuclear-power-safe (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2988/is-nuclear-power-safe)
How many in japan will die?Not many.triffid
This was a followup column from the one posted above. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3000/followup-why-dont-we-ditch-nukes-em-and-em-coal (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3000/followup-why-dont-we-ditch-nukes-em-and-em-coal) triffid
Some enduring comments were made about the fed,Like it often doesnt lead the country over a cliff.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1214/who-owns-the-federal-reserve (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1214/who-owns-the-federal-reserve)
triffid
What the straight dope people have to say about offshore banking.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2392/whats-the-big-deal-about-offshore-banks (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2392/whats-the-big-deal-about-offshore-banks)
triffid
Another wealth or gem of information
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1188/how-can-korean-americans-afford-to-start-so-many-grocery-stores (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1188/how-can-korean-americans-afford-to-start-so-many-grocery-stores)
triffid
Some interesting news about how our economy works!
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/721/why-are-rebate-checks-drawn-on-obscure-banks-in-the-middle-of-nowhere (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/721/why-are-rebate-checks-drawn-on-obscure-banks-in-the-middle-of-nowhere)
triffid
Something about our roads. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2974/why-cant-they-make-highways-last-forever (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2974/why-cant-they-make-highways-last-forever)
triffid
I guess there is such a thing as finding out too much info?
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2912/did-george-washington-and-thomas-jefferson-grow-marijuana (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2912/did-george-washington-and-thomas-jefferson-grow-marijuana)
Im taking a nap now.Thank you.triffid
Sure, governments can bail out big banks, brokers and insurers, we argued. But when the next crisis strikes, who will bail out the governments?
At the time, no one even bothered asking the question. Now, the question is everywhere.
But no one has an answer.
Yes, with trillions in bailouts since the 2008 debt crisis, the governments of the U.S. and Europe were able to calm the waters and restore credit markets.
But no government anywhere can create wealth and prosperity with worthless paper.
By September,thousands in the USA will lose their unemployment benefits. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/business/economy/extended-federal-unemployment-benefits-begin-to-wind-down.html?pagewanted=2 (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/business/economy/extended-federal-unemployment-benefits-begin-to-wind-down.html?pagewanted=2)
Triffid
The typical response from large government or big business! Place the blame at the bottom of the work hierarchy. Sure,the government will save money, but one just has to look at the hyprocrisy of it all.
American companies with foreign factories pay far-less taxes in their satellite factories. The 1% have trusts to avoid paying taxes, and corporations have myriads of tax relief, benefits,and breaks to avoid taxes - all of which are perfectly legal and authorized by the government.
So now many Americans have lost their jobs because Corporate America finds it more profitable to have offshore factories. Then you have the likes of the venture capitalists and private equity firms (can you say Bain Capital AKA Mitt Romney) buying up companies to plunder them and reduce employees on the premise of "cost-efficiency".
Mitt Romney is not a good choice for president(my opinion).He will accelerate jobs leaving this country.And the loss of what pension plans are left.Ask the 25,000 auto workers at delphi if they still have their pensions!(NOT!).
My advice to a young person today? I am aware that many government clerical types (Motor Vehicle, Soc Services) are immune to downsizing and technology and are making 60-70K for 40 hr week jobs merely by longevity So go find a job there.
I found this interesting. Get ready to purge your dialog. :o This list is ridiculous. I suppose they will just have to watch everyone.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/avoid-words-prevent-homeland-security-spying-social-networks-211947512.html
Mags
Want to be a millionarie and know for sure that some bank is playing dirty? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bank-america-whistleblower-receives-14-232819912.html?l=1 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bank-america-whistleblower-receives-14-232819912.html?l=1) hes getting 14 million for whistleblowing.triffid
The complaints were brought under a whistleblower provision in the U.S. False Claims Act, which allows private individuals with knowledge of wrongdoing to bring suits on behalf of the government and share in the proceeds of any settlement.
New aids type disease is being spread by biting insects and blood transfusions! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/chagas-tropical-disease-really-aids-145745645.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/chagas-tropical-disease-really-aids-145745645.html) triffid
Just when you thought it was safe to get a blood transfusion!
A bit of tax info I did not know.This post comes from another person so the I is not me.
Talk about taxes. I'm a disabled military retiree who lives in Japan, my income is my military disability and retirement pay to include social security disability. My wife works and pays Japanese income tax to include the Japanese social security tax. What is amazing is that the US tax code says that her income must be included in calculating the amount of social security tax I must pay to the US because we are filling jointly, although she's paying Japanese income tax to include Japanese social security, the US tax code says that foreign earned income of up to $185,800 for couples who file jointly can be excluded. While living in Japan we are forced to pay double in Social Security Tax, she is taxed as the head of the household with me being her dependent, at the same time I have to include the income she payed tax on in japan to be used to calculate the amount of SS tax I must pay in the US. I don't mind paying my fair share in income taxes which I do, but this is ridiculous being taxed twice for the same thing.
Seems that Marilyn Monroe is coming back to us as a hologram! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/may-once-again-see-marilyn-monroe-stage-hologram-172751177.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/may-once-again-see-marilyn-monroe-stage-hologram-172751177.html) triffid
Shades of the vocaloids from Japan!
http://www.tecca.com/news/2012/03/12/miku-virtual-japanese-pop-star/ (http://www.tecca.com/news/2012/03/12/miku-virtual-japanese-pop-star/)
triffid:
This is the problem or Europe in a nutshell...
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/31/world/europe/spain-eurozone-threat/index.html?hpt=hp_bn2
...as we discussed offline with PM's.
NOTE:
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/34585.html
So, triffid,
I'm getting a better sword that's already sharp, and can be sharpened further, but only if I want to.
WilbyInebriated, you almighty Genius, you:
You asked me when the collapse of the economy was going to occur, as you said I predicted in the beginning of this thread...?
Okay, Great One,
I'm hearing a persistent rumor that Sept to Nov. of this year---especially later, rather than soone---is when the economy will take a real hard kick in the balls, so to speak. I might add, "Dr." No(wak), the dastardly neo-Nazi, predicted something similar. And, his time frame was the same with respect to the worth of the dollar. "2-3 cents" is what he said.
You wanted an answer, there it is. No go play with yourself, long and hard; that's all you get. :-* >:( ;D :-*
--Lee
Hi lee, my article is on spain also, http://finance.yahoo.com/news/rajoy-proposes-set-euro-zone-120317146.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/rajoy-proposes-set-euro-zone-120317146.html) and I have heard some interesting news.Investors are investing 50% less in government bonds and investing more in corporate bonds(remember the bond market is over 50 times bigger than the stock market).Investors are seeing corporations as lasting longer than governments.I have heard of a coming decline in gold prices.I know governments can keep the price of gold down by selling what they have on the market.I know that only three or four of the largest banks can keep the price of silver down by" shorting" it.I have heard it will drop to 950 dollars an ounce.Now I just saw it will drop to $50.00 an ounce!After it goes up to $10,000 an ounce.So that article is selling a newsletter.The truth is at some point gold will decline.When and how much is anyones guess?Anyway good news for me is that there is placer gold just northwest of me here in st.louis.Seems that Iowa is the source of the placer gold.Bad news I have to get there.triffid
Lee,I agree with your quote.At least 6 fewer people would be walking this earth if I were a cold blooded killer.People have told me too bad I can't do anything about.My squatters and the people involved there.I tell them I could do something about but end up in jail over it.The truth is I will not do anything about it beyond what I have done already(kicked them out and keeping them out).They did try to come back about three times.Thinking that no one would be here.triffid
Right now the old hag of a woman that started it all is in pain over a leg and getting older and uglier each day she lives.Soon she will go to a nursing home where no one cares and no one will visit her and die unloved and unwanted.The squatters will continue to smoke 7 to 8 packs a day and have to pay someone rent.Con the wrong person one day and get killed for owing 20 dollars for drugs or overdose and have their body found in a dumpster.Oh I have their futures planned out for them.It just remains to see if I get my way.triffid
I do not plan to go to jail over them.
Spain is by far the bigger worry in Europe than Greece but here are some of the stories of the common man in Greece.
http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2012/02/world/interactive.greek.voices/index.html?iid=article_sidebar (http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2012/02/world/interactive.greek.voices/index.html?iid=article_sidebar)
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This is what the eighth greek person said in her paragraphs in the link posted above.
I've realized that society does not mean economy - that this system is doomed even if we and our grandchildren pay forever. I've learned that the planet is polluted by this circulating financial, toxic mess that arrogantly demands to consume entire countries and culture, that our politicians are weaklings and Europe has suddenly become captive of the banks and a global oligarchy, and that power does not have morality or imagination."
It is certain that Europe will be in recession this time next year.Maybe even the USA.triffid
Just a history lesson on 2008. http://www.hulu.com/watch/196872/nova-mind-over-money (http://www.hulu.com/watch/196872/nova-mind-over-money) bout an hour long.triffid
They do several social experiments in the lab and show that people are not always rational about their buying choices.
A lot of nobel prize winners in economics coming out of University of Chicago.
Heres something irrational for you. http://screen.yahoo.com/saudi-princess-skips-out-on-huge-hotel-bill-29555769.html (http://screen.yahoo.com/saudi-princess-skips-out-on-huge-hotel-bill-29555769.html)
If you didn't get that apartment in the missle silo in kansas??? http://screen.yahoo.com/apocalypse-apartments-sell-for-millions-29538247.html;_ylt=ApusSnDY1f0d.mxp.Alg2oG70UMv;_ylu=X3oDMTFzbnNkNGljBG1pdANVUFAgUmVsYXRlZCBWaWRlbzIEcGtnA2lkLTI5NTM4MjQ3BHBvcwMxBHNlYwN2Y19uYXYEdmVyAw--;_ylg=X3oDMTFoOTlpZTNlBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAMEcHQDdmlkLWdhbGxlcnk-;_ylv=3 (http://screen.yahoo.com/apocalypse-apartments-sell-for-millions-29538247.html;_ylt=ApusSnDY1f0d.mxp.Alg2oG70UMv;_ylu=X3oDMTFzbnNkNGljBG1pdANVUFAgUmVsYXRlZCBWaWRlbzIEcGtnA2lkLTI5NTM4MjQ3BHBvcwMxBHNlYwN2Y19uYXYEdmVyAw--;_ylg=X3oDMTFoOTlpZTNlBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAMEcHQDdmlkLWdhbGxlcnk-;_ylv=3) Sorry they are all sold now!
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/How-the-Chicken-Conquered-the-World.html
Well, chickens feed the world now but only recently (last 100 years).triffid
Many of the elderly who are unemployed are being forced to take early retirement. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/forced-early-social-security-unemployed-011603328.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/forced-early-social-security-unemployed-011603328.html) triffid
Today the homeless are in the news.Over 50 cities have passed new laws that affect the passing out of food to the homeless.They are making it tougher to be homeless. Things are just getting worst for them.triffid
Cold fusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgV7fNO-2k&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgV7fNO-2k&feature=related) triffid
Seems to be something to it.
Beef prices keep going up in the USA.This article explains why? http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/beef-expensive-dinner-214902964.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/beef-expensive-dinner-214902964.html) triffid.
I just go to a chinese buffet once every two or three months myself and eat their beef.So I remember the taste.
Some good news maybe? http://www.reiclub.com/articles/bulk-reos-limited-opportunity (http://www.reiclub.com/articles/bulk-reos-limited-opportunity) This article says when the recession is over the prices of homes will go back up again.Basically it says the recession will end.Kinda hard nowadays to hear anyone say that!triffid
Now is the time to get wealthy. And it’s very easy to do when you enter the Bulk REO niche; either as a tier one buyer of Bulk REO packages, a seller or buyer’s mandate, or as a rehab to rent or sell buyer. It’s a limited time opportunity that you need to take advantage of quickly. The financial downfall in the US caused a flooding of foreclosures, leaving the banks with a surplus of “toxic assetsâ€. Most people don't realize that the real estate crisis we’ve been in since 2008 is comparable to the "savings and loan" crisis of the late 1980's, when the federal government formed the Resolution Trust Company to resolve the real estate meltdown at the time.
The major difference is, today, Fannie Mae controls the market and is "too big to fail"-- making us vulnerable to a great depression. During the 1980's real estate meltdown, "savings and loan" banks became insolvent mostly because of greed, fraud, and over lending. The FDIC stepped in and sold the "bad" banks and its deposits to solvent banks. However, the foreclosed properties in the US continued to pile up to a value of over $390 Billion.
The FDIC could have sold each REO off one-by-one but that is time consuming and costly. They entrusted the Resolution Trust Company to create an innovative method to mitigating the damage and selling off the assets. The most creative approach to the 1980's real estate meltdown was to sell REO properties in bulk; similar to how Sam's Club and Costco sell items. When the recession is officially over, your chance to make tons of money with Bulk REO’s will diminish. Like I said before, buying and selling Bulk REO’s is a limited opportunity.
As you know, banks are in the business of lending money not managing properties. Therefore, it’s their priority to shore up their balance sheets by selling off the properties quickly, and increasing their cash flow. When banks become more financially stable and have fewer properties in their inventory, the Bulk REO opportunity will be no more. Banks will resume the old standard which entailed selling foreclosed properties at a real estate auction and listing properties on the MLS (Multiple Listing Service) website.
As a Bulk REO investor, you must remember that once the market stabilizes, property values will jump. Everyone will be paying a lot more money to get into the real estate business. Right now, you can get homes at $.20-$.60 on the dollar, but after market stabilization, you’ll be buying at retail or higher. This is your opportunity to not just buy homes, but neighborhoods. You can buy whole Bulk REO packages from banks, which could be from multiple states and neighborhoods, or you can “cherry-pick†homes from a tier one owner of Bulk REO’s.
Either way, in this market, there are a lot of savings to be made at the buy and ample profits to be made at the sale. For a limited time only, there is a ton of money to be made in the Bulk REO niche market. Don’t sleep on this opportunity to buy and sell entire neighborhoods. The real estate market will recover; just like it did during the 1980’s meltdown. Based on U.S. history, if something like this is to happen again, it’ll be at least 20 years. Become wealthy today!
Flying saucers are real,but aliens are not!Sorry. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Actual+Flying+Saucer&view=detail&mid=A26E8B17D9528387AE80A26E8B17D9528387AE80&first=0 (http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Actual+Flying+Saucer&view=detail&mid=A26E8B17D9528387AE80A26E8B17D9528387AE80&first=0) triffid
test
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Crashed Flying Saucer&view=detail&mid=A01343F9D153D90D5F0CA01343F9D153D90D5F0C&first=0 (http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Crashed%20Flying%20Saucer&view=detail&mid=A01343F9D153D90D5F0CA01343F9D153D90D5F0C&first=0)
I do believe outer space aliens were used as misinformation and to provide a cover story to ease cold war jitters.But there are those who keep insisting the truth is stranger than we know.They keep insisting that we are being visited.That our governments are keeping the info away from the public.Chuck Wade is the man in the posting and he insists there were three crashes around Roswell within a two day period in 1947.triffid
Pardon me Chuck Wade is saying five crashes not just three. http://www.jerrypippin.com/chuck_wade__ufo_crash_investigat.htm (http://www.jerrypippin.com/chuck_wade__ufo_crash_investigat.htm)
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http://www.chuckwadeufo.com/ChuckWadeUFO/index.html (http://www.chuckwadeufo.com/ChuckWadeUFO/index.html)
He says the us army was shooting them down with special radars.
Is a global recession already here? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/global-recession-warning-signs-everywhere-201200023.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/global-recession-warning-signs-everywhere-201200023.html)
this article seems to say so.
Job growth has been slipping badly for three months (http://www.cnbc.com/id/47810739). Retail sales and factory orders are down two straight months. Real incomes are flat. Household wealth is way underwater from the housing collapse, dropping nearly 40 percent in the last three measured years. And GDP was an anemic 1.9 percent in the first quarter. Nearly all leading Wall Street economists are marking down their second-quarter estimates to 2 percent or less.
But here's the key point: 2 percent growth is not a recovery. Many economists would call it a growth recession. When you get that low there's little margin for error. A shock from Europe, an inventory selloff in the U.S., or almost any unexpected event could push us back into negative territory for an official double-dip recession.
Im real big on jobs being available for the common man.If a man has a job,he and his kids can eat at his own table and not from the garbage of others.
Some good news actually for America since 2008. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/u-policy-playing-catch-energy-realities-yergin-says-144827551.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/u-policy-playing-catch-energy-realities-yergin-says-144827551.html)
Since 2008, U.S. oil production has risen 25% and America had the largest increase in oil production of any non-OPEC country in 2011. And while America is far from energy independent, oil imports have fallen to 42% of total consumption from 60% in 2005.
WTI oil prices are currently hovering around $83 per barrel, down 20% from their recent peak, and gasoline prices have retreated as well. A slowing economy and Europe's debt crisis are certainly factors in the recent weakness in energy prices but the big picture is a profound change in America's energy production."When you look at the sweep of history in terms of energy and oil you see when people think 'we're at the end of the road, we're done,' technology opens up new horizons," says Daniel Yergin, chairman of IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates and author of The Quest: Energy, Security and the Remaking of the Modern World (http://www.amazon.com/The-Quest-Energy-Security-Remaking/dp/1594202834).
The technology he refers to is, of course, hydraulic fracturing, a.k.a. fracking. While the debate continues over environmental concerns, the reality is fracking has transformed America's energy landscape. Initially used to produce natural gas, the same technology is now increasingly being used to extract oil from "tight" rock formations.
Thanks to development of the Bakken formation, North Dakota is now producing 600,000 barrels of oil per day versus 10,000 barrels a day a decade ago, Yergin notes.
yeah that's good news for america... ::)
polluting the underground aquifers of the nation's breadbasket so you fat lazy bastards can drive around in your 10mpg SUV's. idiots.
I don't drive a 10mpg suv.U have me confused with someone else.triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 19, 2012, 11:50:35 AM
I don't drive a 10mpg suv.U have me confused with someone else.triffid
it was a generic 'you'... as in the general public, not you specifically.
as an aside, what do you drive? how many vehicles do you own?
Hey willy,I drive a 2000 ford focus,gets about 23 in town.I eat breakfast sometimes with a guy who rides a moped.He says he gets about 100 mpg.Here in st.louis,if you ride a 49cc moped, no tags ,no insurance required,Sounds dangerous to me.I was checking out electric mopeds.www.ecrater.com has some cheap ones.triffid
$150.00 for this one plus $40.00 shipping. http://www.ecrater.com/p/14308416/electric-scooter?keywords=electric+scooters (http://www.ecrater.com/p/14308416/electric-scooter?keywords=electric+scooters)
triffid
even has a basket.
Before I retired I was driving two cars,now just one.too expensive to keep insurance and tags on two anymore so I just have one.Thinking of adding a scooter however.Or a bicycle.triffid
$199.00 for this one, free shipping, brand new! http://www.ecrater.com/p/6680932/x-treme-250-electric-scooter?keywords=electric+scooters (http://www.ecrater.com/p/6680932/x-treme-250-electric-scooter?keywords=electric+scooters)
Now heres something crazy, http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/detroit-man-gambles-away-1-5-million-accidentally-191619543.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/detroit-man-gambles-away-1-5-million-accidentally-191619543.html)
Lapse of judgement gets him 15 months in prison.triffid
Jobs in America staying level? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-growth-why-us-remains-165604782.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-growth-why-us-remains-165604782.html) triffid
Companies are hiring all the time, but it's mainly just replacements," says Marc Cenedella, CEO and founder of TheLadders (https://www.theladders.com/reg/ppc?cr=brtm436&creative=16873276430&pl=gos-leap), a job recruiting service. "We're not seeing a substantial amount of new positions. It's worrisome to say the least."
"You can say we've been in a job slump for many years," says Shafiq Lokhandwala, CEO of NuView Systems, (http://www.nuviewinc.com/) a provider of HR and payroll systems. "Jobs went overseas, companies were doing more with less, positions were filled with temp workers. What we have, and have had, is the new normal for employment."
So this is the "new normal" for employment in the good old USA?Then the next piece of advice I have for you will make a lot of sense.
Hope this is a lesson to the graduate newbies; when, if you ever get a halfway decent job, don't think you've arrived; you haven't! Wake up to what's transpired, lo these past 5 years, and determine to get wealthy, (never need a job again), as fast as possible! Scrape, claw, sacrifice, but do it!
Is it that bad?
Hi Verpies,The JOB situation is that bad.For real.A lot of JOBS have left this country to go to countries where people work for pennies.And those JOBs are not coming back.Not until Americans are willing to work for pennies too.If I can hire someone else for 22 cents an hour why would I pay you $8.00 an hour?I have the USA government blessing to go overseas and hire a girl in Bangladash for 22 cents an hour to sew my expensive line of shirts.Bring those shirts back over here and sell them up to $100.00 and beyond.
China was a favorite destination for a lot of companies(US) but those companies forgot one thing.The chinese are very good at fakes.About 12 percent of China's economy is from knock offs.Fake designer clothing and purses,fake silver bars,fake food(even fake eggs).Once the Chinese learn how to make your product,they can also fake your product and pay you nothing
I thought that was a fitting justice.triffid
1. If jobs overseas didn't exist then the price of goods would skyrocket. 2. You do not require the governments blessing for voluntary exchange with another human being. 3. Black markets don't pay consumers; true. Black markets conserve consumer wealth; true.
Black markets are good.They help people survive.For that reason alone I will say that they are good.triffid
http://news.yahoo.com/american-families-net-worth-many-riches-rags-183900140--finance.html (http://news.yahoo.com/american-families-net-worth-many-riches-rags-183900140--finance.html) This article states the painful truth for a lot of americans.In 2008 I had a good job .I had been there for 11 years and would have stayed until age 62.But I had a bad foot that decided the end of my working days.So I was forced to quit,give a two weeks notice.My move surprised many I worked with but I saw no other choice.
I had two houses with mortgages on them and just barely sold them before going into foreclosure.I had one house without a mortgage.After a year of being off of work I tried to come back to my old job but one district manager said no while my ex-boss said yes.So I applied for disability with SS.And got it the first time around.I was lucky I know.I had heard horror stories about people having to fight for years to get SS disability.Some for five years.I was 56 when I quit my job.Now I'm enjoying my time off.triffid
A lunar greenhouse is discussed here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q128I9KNY9k&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q128I9KNY9k&feature=player_embedded#!)
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A remote controlled lunar greenhouse and habitant creation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jIPREePr-4&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jIPREePr-4&feature=relmfu)
A cable growing method of growing plants to be used for the moon and mars. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=459fQWGVkZo&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=459fQWGVkZo&feature=relmfu)
Colonizing the moon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRSNT_9ru2U&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRSNT_9ru2U&feature=related)
More on colonizing the moon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhJgR6QhNPU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhJgR6QhNPU&feature=related)
Maybe where the next big booms in our economy may occur.Production of solar cells on the moons surface.Sending power to the earth via microwaves.Trillions of dollars of precious metals on the moon. 2050 is not that far away.
A new economy is coming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=i7cXIOttE2o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=i7cXIOttE2o) triffid
A science of economics. http://larouchepac.com/ (http://larouchepac.com/) triffid
More on the moon-mars economics.2 hours 20 minutes long video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbtsVWmAxoA&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbtsVWmAxoA&feature=relmfu)
Part four of the basement class series,2:25:25 long http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBkrIDVqEWg&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBkrIDVqEWg&feature=relmfu) triffid
Part four of the basement series talks a great deal on industrializing the moon and to go from there to mars and the rest of the solar system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Vernadsky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Vernadsky) is the man talked about in the basement series.His ideas are discussed.Who he is and etc.
http://larouchepac.com/node/ (http://larouchepac.com/node/23153) LaRouch says the end is this weekend!Says europe is hopelessly bankrupt!He says by Sunday our civilization as we know know it will end.
In the basement classroom series Ive been watching he has predicted this.Says this has to end before mankind can head for the stars.
triffid
So I told six people so far about the end of the world this weekend.I got amusement and one promised to rob some banks since the moneys worthless anyway.Strange how I see very little about it in the media???triffid
Here is some warm tapwater treatment of the situation. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fiscal-cliff-resolved-alan-greenspan-210334724.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fiscal-cliff-resolved-alan-greenspan-210334724.html)
Good old Alan Greenspam saying it can be resolved?triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 30, 2012, 04:14:15 PM
So I told six people so far about the end of the world this weekend.I got amusement and one promised to rob some banks since the moneys worthless anyway.Strange how I see very little about it in the media???triffid
did the world end? ;)
Looks like the end of the world is still in progress According to my new hero on going to the moon and mars.Sorry I like him because he says we must expand to the moon and mars to revive our economy.I agree with his outer space objectives.Otherwise we the middle class will end up living in tents and bowing down to our kings and queens in washington and europe. http://larouchepac.com/ (http://larouchepac.com/)
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Lyndon LaRouche today denounced the Bernanke-Geithner efforts as "tantamount to treason." "The current Trans-Atlantic system cannot be saved" LaRouche warned. "The only option is the immediate reinstatement of the original Franklin Roosevelt Glass-Steagall Act. It must happen now!" LaRouche warned that, as of Thursday or Friday of this week, the entire European financial system will explode. "Either Germany will hold firm and refuse to surrender the last vestiges of national sovereignty, or Europe will go into a hyperinflationary breakdown. It all hangs on Germany." German Chancellor Angela Merkel is under pressure from a swarm of British and Wall Street agents - from Geithner and Bernanke to George Soros - to agree to a German bailout of the entire euro system. "The reality is that the gambling debts of the European and Wall Street banks can never be paid. The only option is an orderly cancellation of all those trillions of dollars of gambling debts by reinstating Glass-Steagall."
June 27th 2012 • 3:41PM
From LaRouche (http://larouchepac.com/larouche), Basement (http://larouchepac.com/node/60), Weekly Reports (http://larouchepac.com/weeklyreport)
In today's Weekly Report, LaRouche powerfully reiterates his warning of the financial extinction event that is likely to occur this weekend. The relinquishing of sovereignty of the nations of Europe with the plan to package the entirety of the hyperinaflationary debt into one package, occurring simultaneously with the prospective looting of the American population through the demand for a mega-bailout by Bernanke and Geithner, is likely to create the most dangerous conditions the transatlantic has seen since the last world war.
If, however, we are able to halt the oncoming disaster through the solutions LaRouche has proposed, we must then fulfill a greater mission as mankind, for our continued survival.
Capitol Hill sources have confirmed that Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke are demanding that Congress prepare emergency legislation for yet another hyperinflationary bailout of the hopelessly bankrupt trans-Atlantic financial system. For the past week, the two men have been meeting secretly with leading Congressional Democrats and Republicans, demanding that they draft new legislation to bailout the banks on an even larger scale than after the 2008 collapse.
According to several congressional sources, Geithner and Bernanke have pledged that they will do everything in their power to flood European banks with bailout funds through the Federal Reserve, but they candidly admit that it may be impossible, and that congressional action may be required. If the crisis hits, they warn, there must be legislation already prepared, because the speed and magnitude of the crisis may require extraordinary intervention to "save the system."
June 30th 2012 • 7:00PM
From LaRouche (http://larouchepac.com/larouche), Culture (http://larouchepac.com/culture), In-Depth (http://larouchepac.com/node/16278)
This weekend, Lyndon LaRouche delivered extremely sobering remarks to his associates in light of the complete breakdown of the trans-Atlantic community, stating that we are now living at the brink of hell.
Mr LaRouche develops the concept touched upon in his To Leading Institutions of the Relevant Governments of the Trans-Atlantic Nations (http://larouchepac.com/node/23194) statement, that you are dealing with a breakdown crisis in the minds of the population; their inability to think and therefore their inability to take the steps necessary to save civilization from hell.
I would still lay money on Lyndon LaRouche's insight to the financial cliff that most of us are facing.I was once near a cliffs edge as a younger man in colorado.Knowing that moving three feet in the wrong direction could send me to an early death from which noone could save me was pretty sobering.It does seem the media is ignoring the issue at this time.I was at over 11,000 feet in colorado that morning in 1972 and could look across the chasm to the surrounding mountains.It taught me respect for natures power.The power of gravity for one.One wrong move over the edge and my life would be over.triffid
The Crookedness of Paul Volcker
Would you have done, willingly, what the U.S.’s Paul Volcker has done recently, in proclaiming a reported intention to “bail out†about $2 trillions of intrinsically worthless debt, thus looting and thus bankrupting virtually the entirety of our nation, all done at the collective expense of, especially, the great mass of the ordinary citizens of the United States now?
Volcker has acted in the avowed intention to do just that, so, and has publicly declared his intention to do such as that: adding to the significance of the fact that the Glass-Steagall Law, which would, in fact, rescue the U.S. population from the greatest depression in modern U.S. history, should not be re-enacted, if the wretched Volcker had his way. All the most essential features of evidenceexposing Paul Volcker’s complicity in this despicable matter, clearly exist, although some of the fine details remain to be pinned down more exactly. Volcker must be recognized, as having been implicitly treasonous in effect against the U.S. citizenry, in a not very well-concealed intention during a span of recent months; only the most glaring evils of his scheme had been waiting for their frank public exposure, by his open profession of malice against mankind a short time ago.
Take the similar example of the most recent, and absolutely worst among the most recent U.S. Presidential elections;4 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23119#footnote4) and, then throw in the still earlier, highly relevant case of the pathetic character of the Presidential incumbency of the George H.W. Bush who was virtually sent home to stay, as soon as his first term was up; that is to say little concerning the actions of Democratic President Bill Clinton’s wretched, Republican successor in the Presidency, whose own incumbency has been, chiefly, a by-product of the purely malicious attempted impeachment of President Clinton himself.5 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23119#footnote5)
If the capitulation of Federal Chancellor Merkel at the EU Summit stands, with her agreement that the ESM will undertake the direct recapitalization of European banks in the future, and that Italy and Spain â€" and indeed, soon other states â€" can claim EU money, this will prove to be a fatal mistake which will lead all of European civilization into catastrophe. Given the condition of the trans-Atlantic banking system, this means nothing less than a new edition of the Versailles Treaty, in which Germany is supposed to pay for the debts of foreign banks and speculators. The result threatens quickly to become the same as in 1923: hyperinflation â€" but this time not in one country, but throughout Europe and the U.S.A. As recently as Thursday Ms. Merkel had uttered the memorable phrase on this subject, that there would be no "joint debt liability" for "as long as I live." Then what has happened? How did this 180-degree reversal occur? Why has Ms. Merkel let Italian Prime Minister Monti and Spanish Prime Minister Rajoy put this over on her, when immediately beforehand she had been expressing skepticism about the so-called master plan of the four EU presidents Van Rompuy, Barroso, Draghi, and Juncker, precisely because it provided for collectivization of debt?
Prime Ministers Monti and Rajoy had recognized the Achilles heel of Merkel's position. Given the serious pending constitutional complaints in Karlsruhe against the ESM and the Fiscal Pact, she wanted to have them adopted in the Bundestag with a two-thirds majority; i.e., with the help of the SPD and the Greens, for which the SPD demanded in return, in consultation with French President Hollande, the so-called growth package of 120 billion euros which Ms. Merkel had initially opposed. Monti and Rajoy now threatened a veto against this growth package, and thereby sabotage of the potential two-thirds Bundestag majority. President Hollande now conveniently discovered his sympathy for Spain and Italy, and thus increased the pressure on Ms. Merkel.
This is the more suspicious in that this pressure comes at the most inopportune moment; and the circumstances under which Ms. Merkel has agreed to the de facto collectivization of debts by a further order of magnitude, must be urgently clarified, because the existence of all of Europe is at stake.
In the preceding days, in any case, Sarkozy's former advisor Alain Minc, in an interview with the French newspaper Les Echos, recommended to Hollande that he use the same tactic against Germany as had Francois Mitterrand at the time of German reunification, when the latter had forced the abandonment of the D-Mark and the introduction of the euro as the price for reunification. Mitterrand's former advisor Jacques Attali wrote on this point in his Mitterrand biography, that Mitterrand had even threatened Kohl with a war if Kohl refused. Aside from the fact that this was obviously an absurd bluff, Helmut Kohl spoke repeatedly of the European Currency Union as a question of war and peace in Europe. It should not be forgotten, moreover, that Hollande, like Sarkozy before him, is insisting on a collectivization of European debts because the French banks are exposed to huge amounts of debt in the Mediterranean states. German voters and taxpayers have every right in the world to be familiar with these background matters.
Prior to the summit, Hollande was called by Obama, who had already repeatedly demanded that the crisis in the Euro countries had to be solved according to the stipulations of the EU, the ECB, and the IMF, because Obama obviously feared that a further escalation of the situation would further reduce the chances of his re-election. Here can also be found the reason why U.S. Treasury Secretary Geithner and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke â€" who bears the nickname Helicopter Ben because he wants to throw bank notes out of helicopters in case of a systemic crisis â€" according to Members of the U.S. Congress, have demanded that Congressmen prepare emergency legislation to adopt an additional mega-bailout package, which must be much larger this time than the liquidity pumped into the markets after the 2008 Lehman failure â€" which at that time was between 17 and 25 trillion dollars. This newly printed money is then, with the help of the swap agreements between the Fed and the ECB, also supposed to be made available to the sick European banks. Since they report that it is expected that the crisis will dramatically worsen, new legislation with new powers is supposed to be ready in advance, since the extent of the crisis would demand an immediate, extraordinary intervention "to save the system."
Anyone who wants to understand the situation must also read the article by Greg Palast on June 26 in the British newspaper The Guardian, where he writes: "The idea that the Euro has failed shows a dangerous naivete. The Euro is exactly what its inventor [Robert Mundellâ€"HZL] and the wealthiest 1% who supported him foresaw and intended." Mundell, the inventor of the "single currency space" and theoretical father of the Euro, emphasized to Palast in personal conversation that the Euro would really only fulfill its purpose if the crisis hit. If government control of the currency were abolished, annoying little popular representatives would no longer have the ability to use financial resources to pull their country out of recession. Mundell told him that with the Euro, "financial policy will be removed out of the reach of the politicians." And without fiscal policy, nations can only maintain employment if they give up regulating the markets and thereby become competitive. Workers' rights, environmental laws and controls â€" these would all be swept away by the Euro, and states would have no other choice than to abolish all state regulations, massively privatize state industries, reduce taxes, and consign the European social state to the trashbin.
Exactly this is the intention of the financial institutions' intention, which is usually expressed by the synonym globalization, and which can be thanked for the fact that the governments of the G-20 countries for five years now (!), since the outbreak of the U.S. real estate crisis in July 2007, have done absolutely nothing to regulate the banking sector. On the contrary, the governments are driven by "the markets," and do everything to meet their demands, like the SPD and the Greens in Germany.
After this year's Bilderberger conference near Dulles Airport in Virginia, in which the participation of Jürgen Trittin was significant, Josef Ackermann gave out the line in a presentation to the Atlantic Council, that it were only necessary to wait until panic shall have reached an absolute pitch, and that then the political leaders would agree to the entire package desired by the banks. Precisely this threat was built up in the days before the EU summit by the media and various politicians. Monti spoke of a threatening apocalypse, George Soros of an immediately imminent crash.
These financial interests, to which the politicians obviously are enslaved, have already gone very far with a coup d'etat against the German Basic Law and the national constitutions. The Karlsruhe Federal Constitutional Court is, aside from the known Euroskeptics, the last authority which still defends the Basic Law. One can only hope that it decides on the pending constitutional complaints in all our interests, in the sense of Article 20 of the Basic Law.
One thing is certain in any case: If the ESM and the Fiscal Pact, as well as the collectivization of debts, go through, and Europe thus becomes a complete transfer union, then, and only then, will the peace of Europe threaten to break apart. Already now, the populations of Europe are divided by deeper animosities than has ever been the case since 1945. Already now, the image of Germany is blackened and the most unfortunate associations have been evoked. In the case of a hyperinflationary explosion in which the life savings of the populations in all countries are destroyed, all of Europe will be plunged into unimaginable social chaos and misery. The consequences will be irreparable.
There is a way out: The EU Treaties from Maastricht to Lisbon must be annulled, national sovereignty over currency and economic policy must be taken back again, and in the process, Germany must leave the Eurozone and introduce the new D-Mark. The separated banking system, in the tradition of Roosevelt's Glass-Steagall Act must be introduced, to end the economy once and for all. Fixed exchange values must put an end to currency speculation. A new credit system, in the tradition of the Kreditanstalt für Wiederaufbau (KfW) of the post-1945 reconstruction, must make credit available for the real economy. The "Development Program for a New Economic Miracle in Southern Europe, the Mediterranean and Africa," which we have developed, must be immediately undertaken.
The political leaders must remember that their conduct will be judged by history. They must pose the question to themselves now, whether they are committing treason against the people. There is no room for maneuver; if Ms. Merkel's capitulation stands, we will not have "more Europe"; rather, Europe will disappear.
Once again it seems as if I am standing at the edge of a cliff,as I see the way for hyperinflation to come to the USA being paved by these events in Europe.Today is the fourth of July,We celebrate our independence from the British.Are we really free from them?triffid
http://larouchepac.com/ (http://larouchepac.com/) is the source of all of my bad news.triffid
Profit economies always crash. You can not buy something for a dollar and sell it for two dollars without somebody inflating the money supply. Then you have people that do nothing but run con games who say they have something you need so give me something you have and we'll give you this majic piece of paper that says you now owe us more than you gave us. Work for thirty years and give us 1/2 of your life experience in exchange for this piece of paper that says you owe us. If everybody just stopped paying moneylenders and invested in local economies providing valued services to trade the economic collapse of the bullshit based economy would be hastened. Bank assets would be seized by local government agencies and redistributed to those in need. I would love to see some poor women living on disability income residing on the top floor of a Chase Manhatten skyscraper with her clothes drying on a clothesline run to a building seized that was once owned by some legalized bookies better known as investment firms. These people are dreamweavers. They promote homeownership like it is the end all be all of life. I've owned several homes and basically it boils down to renting them from the bank-maintaining them for the bank-selling them for the bank- I know this guy I worked with who use to enjoy life. He would go fishing-smoke some bud-play some tunes-pretty much had a hell of a time. He just bought a house. Now he works two jobs-hasn't fished for 6months-appears haggard and thin-never smiles. Actually he works three jobs because after he gets home from his 2nd job on his one day off he has to cut the banks grass for them and their asset needs painting and interior plumbing and floor repair.
I know that pattern,you get a house,work for the bank.Bank takes away from your pocket $100,000 or more over a period of 17 years.Forces you to sell your house for less than you paid.Thats what happened to me in oklahoma.I really don't like banks either.triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CKofa08Nzk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CKofa08Nzk)
NJ LaRouche congressional candidate Diane Sare provides a concise pedagogical demonstration of the power of reality over........toilet paper.
It seemed sudden, that an important faction in England should have chosen yesterday’s moment as the occasion to have presented an urgent proposal whose effect might well become a rescue of the trans-Atlantic community from the nick-of-death of the entire trans-Atlantic community (and more) from the worst economic break-down crisis in all modern European history.
If this venture, launched into public opinion yesterday, is to succeed, the actions to be taken immediately must be placed into operation immediately. It is my estimate that the kind of turn reported publicly in London yesterday could become the needed basis for rescue of the planet from the most deadly moment in modern world history. The necessary, immediate actions, must be taken immediately, but with precise design as to who does what in which sequence.
It happens that the remedies which are implicitly available are not inconsistent with the launching of an attempt at a true FDR Glass-Steagall reform, and represent a potential which could save civilization at the veritable “last moment;†but, this is not a task for the generality of leading figures in government and financial leadership today. Current thought in financial markets and related academic traditions would lead to an early and irreparable disaster throughout the trans-Atlantic sector and beyond. My own qualifications in this matter are unique. An entirely new system of values must be adopted, and that must be done very quickly: the present world system, especially that of the trans-Atlantic regions, is already ready to blow out.
At the same time, it must also be emphasized, that what I have read from monetarist circles of opinion, or most academically trained professionals in “economics†would be a virtually immediate disaster for humanity generally. In short, the practice of monetarism must be suspended, and a system of physical-productive values must be substituted.
To sum up these opening remarks, the essential change to be made, if civilization is to avoid the greatest economic crash in modern history, must be the termination of use of a system of monetarist values; physical-productive [e.g., “production-basedâ€] physical values must be adopted as the controlling standard of “market values,†instead.
As the announcements in certain sections of the British press have presented their argument yesterday, a workable escape from the presently accelerated break-down crisis is both a physical-economic and political option, and some among us in this community are summoned to this common cause. I emphasize, that there are certain circles in London and other places which are intelligent enough to recognize the essential nature of the reform which must be instituted immediately.
I am uttering the foregone message here and now, for immediate distribution. During the over-night and tomorrow, I shall present my summary of this matter.
The cliffs edge is very sobering indeed!Let us hope that we are able to save ourselves at so late an hour.triffid
On the Fourth of July, 2012, the voices of some of the most respected figures referenced by the British press in London, had shocked the politically sentient circles of the planet, with the publication of a report whose source has included the members of a circle of public figures from among the most highly respectable, relevant circles of Great Britain. Those voices had announced that some crucial elements of that famous empire’s leading press had suddenly called for wiping out the nominally richest British banks in the world, in order to rescue both Britain and the United States from a terrible catastrophe. The relevant British proponents had proposed cooperation between the United States and Britain on this specific account.
Contrary opinion on this subject, has been centered in people from around those leading financier circles of the world, who appear to have attempted, so far, to appear unshaken by the announcement of their own widely publicized plunge into a virtual likelihood of their own political extinction. Dinosaurs, anyone?
Some might choose to wonder what this will do to the political chances of both U.S. President Barack Obama and his putative election rival, Mitt Romney? Did some kindly angel drop something intended to pass for “harsh justice from Heaven†on the ranks of Wall Street and those candidates alike? The advice is: do not worry about the chances of either candidate Romney or Obama now. Had this news fresh from London not been solidly based in fact, the news would have been different. The relevant, real news was, and will remain solid fact for the record. There is no hope for the chances of what had been, until this past Monday, some among the nominally most powerful banks and related speculative institutions of the trans-Atlantic world.
Be clear-headed in respect to this matter. These prospectively doomed financial institutions have been plunging into a virtually global state of hopeless bankruptcy since the cancellation of the original U.S.A.’s Glass-Steagall law; the effect of this began to take over the trans-Atlantic communities during the latter half of 2008, with the launching of what was to become known as the great “bail-out†swindle. The result has been, that the economies of the United States and of western and central Europe, have been doomed until now, since the cancellation of Glass-Steagall on November 12, 1999 (a foolish action done in favor of the foolish, Gramm-Leach-Bliley monstrosity which made possible the great trans-Atlantic economic collapse of 2007-2012).
Admittedly, the support for Glass-Steagall found among the relevant, properly prestigious circles in the United Kingdom, is fully justified and otherwise meritorious; at the least, that is what is to be seen from my vantage-point as both an economist and statesman. Such has been my authority in such subject-matters, and also among the most significant of the other leading economists on the record of the U.S.A. and others, since my initial, August 1956, economic forecast’s success in late February/early March, 1957, the latter the worst post-World War II such crisis, a near-depression, at that time.1 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23276#footnote1)
The relevant point of the report to be made on that account, is the fact, in general, as among most who could be regarded reasonably as leading economists, of their generally consistent reliance on the folly of statistical forecasting based on the past effects, rather than actually forecasting based on the actual future, as I had done, in late August 1956, in composing my uniquely successful forecast for February-March 1957.
Now, the relevant British advocates of a needed immediate reform, have proposed to cooperate with the United States in efforts to bring this current crisis-situation under controlâ€"a very radical change from post-1999 conditions of drift of the U.S.A. itself, as also Britain, into something far worse than a mere depression: a general economic breakdown-crisis still in an advanced state of ruin-in-progress at this present time. It is my recommendation, that the United States government should consider uttering an immediate proffer of cooperation with the appropriate citizens of Britain on that specific account.
That recommendation of mine is presented on elementary types of conditions. First, that the proposed cooperation is as stated by the relevant British parties. Second, that it is a commitment to sharing the benefits of a common good, as with trust in what those among my predecessors for whom I have high regard have always done, essentially, since the break with an imperialist Britain since the separation of our nations over the issues of the February 1763 Peace of Paris, and the diplomacy of such as John Quincy Adams and the exemplary President Franklin D. Roosevelt and his specific circles of cooperation during his time as President.
The qualification is that the British party concur in a stated principle of commitment to a common human interest in related matters. My tendency would be to move quickly to exploratory discussions with relevant parties.Who Can We Trust?There are several compelling reasons to believe in the faith of those Britons who have presented this suggestion to citizens of the United States.
First, the human species has lately entered a general planetary condition under which general warfare in the form of thermonuclear warfare, or something soon beyond such dimensions of action, is not a feasible option. We have moved past the time, that the human species could engage in the use of such means, even when the issues in favor of conflict are extremely compelling. This principle has been shown with remarkable excellence-in-action among the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff. The urgency of general cooperation on behalf of a common good is, presently, far more compelling than at any past time. There are very special pre-conditions for such a confident sort of outlook on conditions before us at this time. The relations to Russia on this same account, have been recently excellent, and there is justified confidence that such a relationship with the U.S.A. is inherently desirable in the natural interest of both parties.
The relatively greatest likelihood of danger comes, in fact, from the policies of a more or less programmed policy of suppression of scientific and related requirements of a policy of advancing the scientific level of progress of the per-capita human conditions on this planet. This progress is to be gained through science-driven technological progress in the advancement of the degree of effective energy-flux density per capita and per square kilometer of habitable territory.
In fact, in the known history of living species on Earth and implicitly beyond, the ability even to maintain the even existing species demands the benefit of a continuing rise in the net energy-flux density of living species inhabiting Earth. Frankly, the schemes of such proponents of a dubious “Second Law of Thermodynamics,†of Rudolf Clausius et al., are directly contrary to all currently competent notions of the biology of our planet. A contrary presumption, such as that launched during the Nineteenth Century, is a product of British oligarchical-imperialist conjectures, whereas competent scientific criteria demonstrate a direct opposite: these are relics of the oligarchical ideology.
This matter of “environment,†both on Earth, and within the relevant considerations for the Solar system, shows an indispensable, long trend to rise of “energy-flux density†in, especially, the existence of the human species. The entry of mankind into the increasing need for attention to matters outside the present range of human habitation on Earth itself, requires our attention to changes in the characteristics of the weather within and beyond the Solar system as such. As we have already moved beyond nuclear-fission, and into higher orders of thermo-nuclear fusion and matter-antimatter considerations, the science-driven increase of energy-flux density essential to continued human existence on this planet, is the mandatory standard for measuring expressed sanity in human behavior generally.
It is to be acknowledged, that among some cases, called “traditional cultures,†this emphasis on science-driven cultural progress tends to be resisted. Such beliefs are grave errors, ultimately, potentially cultural suicidal ones. We must manage the problems of social relations so defined; but, we must not permit that to delude us into believing the people sharing such cultures are actually viable expressions of the human species. It is not pleasant to suggest that animal species are interchangeable with human identities; but, the existing animal species’ continued existence depends upon the forms of support which human husbandry affords them, either to our economic advantage, or to our pleasure taken in the company of certain animal companions.
The general principle in this matter, is the necessary, accelerating increase of the energy-flux density created by, enjoyed by, and used by a human species
I would suggest that the governments take injunctions against all persons and corporations from trading in debt while a lengthy audit of their assets is conducted by various government bodies. The audits could take up to a 100 years or so. I believe that the debt industry will find that the only asset they have been issuing paper on is the paper they have written on. I am not sure but I believe the government would be instrumental in determining exactly what these people had in reserves. May take awhile but at some point hundreds of years from now we may find out. In the mean time they are out of business. The injunction would not allow them to collect any principal or interest payments until such time as the legal status of the contracts in question are determined. Again this may be in the year 2300 as the wheels of justice do turn slow. Politicians want to be leaders then lead and stop kissing butt. Banks can go back to being banks where people keep valuable things. For this service they should be paid. They should be paid for checking account and debit card management. They should not be obligated to pay you interest because your too stupid or lazy to invest in companies that have a future need. Every month instead of getting a statement with earned income from interest you will get a statement with your funds available included with a rather large service fee to keep your funds safe. Ridding the world of debt economies and replacing it with production economies is the only way to go.
Yeah,we really want this one in the white house. http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-want-romney-explain-offshore-accounts-212438884.html (http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-want-romney-explain-offshore-accounts-212438884.html)
triffid
"He's the first and only candidate for the president of the United States with a Swiss bank account, with tax shelters, with tax avoidance schemes that involve so many foreign countries," Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said on CBS' "Face the Nation." He's one of several high-profile Democrats who spoke out on the Sunday morning news shows.
His buddies wiped out the pension funds at Delphi for about 21,000 auto workers.
Guys a piece of work isnt he. President Bidden oops Obama is definitely the choice between the lesser of two evils. Maybe the robot will grow some balls and start leading instead of acting. Hey triffid could you expand upon the British announcement.
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Yeah,we really want this one in the white house. http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-want-romney-explain-offshore-accounts-212438884.html (http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-want-romney-explain-offshore-accounts-212438884.html)
triffid
"He's the first and only candidate for the president of the United States with a Swiss bank account, with tax shelters, with tax avoidance schemes that involve so many foreign countries," Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., said on CBS' "Face the Nation." He's one of several high-profile Democrats who spoke out on the Sunday morning news shows.
His buddies wiped out the pension funds at Delphi for about 21,000 auto workers.
@triffid,
Like the Terminator,
"I'm back."
Whatever anyone does,---anywhere---it'll do no good. Here's why:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/roubini-perfect-storm-unfolding-now-104907590.html
So, then. I had more than that in terms of economic reasons peppered throughout the last 186 pages of this thread. (Nice to see triffid has kept it going; he and I see a lot alike.)
However, things will have gotten out of hand completely, beginning in about Sept. or thereafter. Right. Sharpen your edged weapons, buy more ammo for your gun(s), hide more food, etc. Try and stay out of the anarchist's way until they've hopefully dealt with each other violently and they won't bother
you.--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 09, 2012, 02:07:07 PM
@triffid,
Like the Terminator,
"I'm back."
Whatever anyone does,---anywhere---it'll do no good. Here's why:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/roubini-perfect-storm-unfolding-now-104907590.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/roubini-perfect-storm-unfolding-now-104907590.html)
So, then. I had more than that in terms of economic reasons peppered throughout the last 186 pages of this thread. (Nice to see triffid has kept it going; he and I see a lot alike.)
However, things will have gotten out of hand completely, beginning in about Sept. or thereafter. Right. Sharpen your edged weapons, buy more ammo for your gun(s), hide more food, etc. Try and stay out of the anarchist's way until they've hopefully dealt with each other violently and they won't bother you.
--Lee
I pose this question. The economic collapse will hurt who. It will hurt the debt holders. Who does Japan owe and Britain Owe and china Owe etc. Do we owe anything. How bout everybody stops paying their debts and starts living. That is why there needs to be a disengagement of all debt and interest payments from the existing economies of the world. It's simple. They gambled you would work for them for nothing. So sorry you lose. Who gets hurt but stupid lazy people who can't do anything but gamble. Your talking vast amounts of wealth accumulated on paper vanishing. Very disruptive to the trickle-down flood-up economies that have dominated the world for thousands of years. Yes a NWO is upon us. The old world order which pretty much sucks is turning into chaos and the wringing of hands and paranoia and fema camps and all this bullshit is propaganda circulated by the snake people in their last ditched attempt to maintain control over their assets. You want to know what assets they really have. YOU. Your their slaves. The shit is going to hit the fan only if the governments play into the hands of the snakes. It is simple. Forgive all debt and get on with it. The only assets these snakes ever had was you. They are slave traders. They are unimaginative lazy con artists who have been slave trading for millenia. When a bank sells your mortgage. They are slave trading. Your credit rating is your slave worth. How stupid can people be. Wake the fuck up.
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I pose this question. The economic collapse will hurt who. It will hurt the debt holders. Who does Japan owe and Britain Owe and china Owe etc. Do we owe anything.
The economy will have had it. The same as the Roman Empire in the 5th Century. The Roman army pulled out of the British Isles and didn't return. The Roman economy collapsed after that; causing the Dark Ages.
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How bout everybody stops paying their debts and starts living. That is why there needs to be a disengagement of all debt and interest payments from the existing economies of the world. It's simple. They gambled you would work for them for nothing. So sorry you lose.
Movies scenarios like
"The Road" , "The Book of Eli" and
"Resident Evil" wll manifest; just for real and not fictional. It's not going to be with zombies, but it will involve starving people who, I imagine, would kill to survive.
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Who gets hurt but stupid lazy people who can't do anything but gamble. Your talking vast amounts of wealth accumulated on paper vanishing. Very disruptive to the trickle-down flood-up economies that have dominated the world for thousands of years.
This has happened time after time in both hemispheres. Mayan peasants walked into the jungle winderness and let the city dwellers die off. I do know what happened then, as well as the future, since I'm Native American.
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Yes a NWO is upon us. The old world order which pretty much sucks is turning into chaos and the wringing of hands and paranoia and fema camps and all this bullshit is propaganda circulated by the snake people in their last ditched attempt to maintain control over their assets. You want to know what assets they really have. YOU. Your their slaves. The shit is going to hit the fan only if the governments play into the hands of the snakes. It is simple.
One way or the other, the effect is the same.
"Resident Evl" 'snakes' lived in 'unbrella' bases underground, but their leaders didn't have the numbers to fight the teeming hoards of dying citizens. I would do the same if I were them.
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Forgive all debt and get on with it. The only assets these snakes ever had was you. They are slave traders.
Doing that will cause the collapse quicker.
There a American Marine saying,
"A man who can use his mind and his body can be very dangerous, indeed." The idea is to be as ready as possible and do the best you can.
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They are unimaginative lazy con artists who have been slave trading for millenia. When a bank sells your mortgage. They are slave trading. Your credit rating is your slave worth. How stupid can people be. Wake the fuck up.
I've never went into debt for that reason. I'm really, really! not as stupid as some people around me. As I said before, I have another exit plan in place the concerns me alone. I can ride this economic Holocaust out without putting myself in danger. What is it? Different the the smartass, WilbyInebriated, has in mind. Different than a fort like in the
"Mad Max" series of movies. Different than hiding in the freezing mountains. Those are the hints, as vague as they are. Other than that, try and read my mind.
Reedit:Another vague hint: Not this, either.
http://realestate.yahoo.com/news/anti-zombie-strongholds-for-sale.html (http://realestate.yahoo.com/news/anti-zombie-strongholds-for-sale.html)
--Lee
Hi Sparks and Big M,It seems that the cliffs edge has sobered up a lot of people on both sides of the pond.I hope its true as Im finding my info from mainly one website.The media over here in the USA doesn't really talk about it. http://larouchepac.com/ (http://larouchepac.com/)
A Powerful British Faction has Aligned with LaRouche Concerning Glass-Steagall (http://larouchepac.com/node/23265)
It is almost impossible to overstate the strategic significance of the fact that an important group within the top echelons of the British Establishment have come to the conclusion that Glass-Steagall is the only survival option open to them. The July 3 Financial Times editorial endorsement of Glass-Steagall has been followed, over the past 48 hours, by a series of further endorsements by leading figures, from Peter Hambro, of the old British merchant banking family; to Lord Myners, former Financial Services Secretary in the Gordon Brown government and a Rothschild-sponsored banker; to Terry Smith, a leading City banker who had called for a return to Glass-Steagall at the time of the September 2008 Lehman Brothers and AIG blowout. In Italy, the newspaper of record, Corriere della Sera, came out Friday with a big push for Glass-Steagall by leading financial correspondent Massimo Mucchetti, who is known to have, in the past, been close to Romano Prodi and the De Benedetti interests.
These actions have been taken with the full knowledge that the fight for Glass-Steagall has been ledâ€"in the United States and in Europeâ€"by Lyndon LaRouche. As he noted in the brief statement that appeared earlier, LaRouche is the only person qualified to engineer the return to Glass-Steagall and a system of fixed-exchange-rate sovereign currencies in the trans-Atlantic region. In discussions with colleagues today, LaRouche emphasized that, if leading figures in the trans-Atlantic governments do exactly what LaRouche has prescribed, we can go into an immediate economic recovery. "London has delivered a shot across the bow, and we are the world leaders on Glass-Steagall," LaRouche declared on Friday. "A group of responsible people in Britain has decided that the fate of everything that is important to them requires an immediate Glass-Steagall reform."
LaRouche added a crucial point: "This also means that they cannot any longer tolerate Obama in office. By moving as they have for Glass-Steagall, they are also committing to sink the bastard. They can no longer tolerate Obama's continuation in office in the United States." That is the crucial factor in our moving to remove Obama from the Presidency and the nomination before the Democratic nominating convention begins on Sept. 3. It is crucial to understand that a grouping in London has concluded that the system has already blown, and they must act preemptively to save their interests. This opens the door for Obama's removal in time. The crimes of Obama are evident, from Fast and Furiousâ€"which was nothing else than a coverup of the flood of drug money that went to Obama's illegal election in 2008, courtesy of George Soros and that gangâ€"to the most damaging leaks of national security secrets in the nation's history. But the real issue behind Obama's removal is that he and Geithner and Bernanke are the biggest impediments to the immediate implementation of Glass-Steagall. As LaRouche said on Friday, "Glass-Steagall is the operation that brings down the Obama Presidency."
The LIBOR rigging scandal now also opens another flank. Today, the British Serious Fraud Office (SFO) announced a criminal investigation into the fixing of the rates that determine virtually all adjustable-rate mortgage and credit card rates worldwide. The investigation will be coordinated with law enforcement agencies in the United States, Japan, and throughout continental Europe. This is potentially the Pecora Commission, but on a global scale, that was so ferociously suppressed in 2008. The LIBOR scandal is so big, and involves so many of the worst of the trans-Atlantic banks, that it cannot be suppressed. Bankers are going to be frog-marched off to jail over this.
There is one other critical dimension of this picture that cannot be overlooked or underestimated, and that is the role of Russia and President Putin in foreclosing the option of a limited war. The fact that Putin and the Russian generals have repeatedly warned that any move for regime change in Syria or Iran could lead to a thermonuclear war of extinction, has meant that the British bluff has been called. The combination of the Russian resolve, and the war-avoidance actions by U.S. military leaders, from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, on down, has thrown off the timetable for war, that had been set last year. The option of wars in Syria and Iran, following closely on the heels of the overthrow and assassination of Qaddafi in Libya, has been stopped so far. As the result, the rate of collapse of the trans-Atlantic financial system has raced ahead of the war preparations, to the point that any kind of strategic confrontation is now much more difficult, if not impossible.
So it seems that the USA and great Britain was threatened with nuclear war if we went after Iran or Syria.I heard today on a TV show that recent college grads are suffering over 50% unemployment in the USA and that unemployment isn't just for psych majors anymore.
I thought I had a hard time finding work back in the 1970's.It took me 6 weeks to find a $2.00 an hour job in 1975.But I was working in a medical lab close to my major(biology).I was so happy to have a job.When I left two years later I was making $3.05 an hour.No money there so I moved on.
But I know how important it is to have a job.Its important to have a place away from the house where you can get some peace and quiet because it may not be there at home!
Since 1999 whenever they could "banks have gone wild".But it seems that lately theres a ruling elite who would prefer "Banks to fail" in an orderly fashion than society in an uncontrolled fashion.I hope its true.triffid
I hope that we colonize and industrialize the moon and mars as Lynden LaRouch says we should.Every dollar invested would bring back ten.
Every dollar we invested in the apollo program brought back ten.triffid
Another look at what we should do on the moon and mars. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX5hbuK7BOQ&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX5hbuK7BOQ&feature=relmfu) triffid
The space transportation we have now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dz9uNG9Q0o&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dz9uNG9Q0o&feature=related) pretty good 35 minute video.triffid
Some people are very close to the cliffs edge.Take a look at this! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/jordanian-parliment-member-throws-shoe-pulls-gun-critic-221349059.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/jordanian-parliment-member-throws-shoe-pulls-gun-critic-221349059.html)
It could be congress soon!
Quote from: triffid on July 09, 2012, 05:24:22 PM
Hi Sparks and Big M,It seems that the cliffs edge has sobered up a lot of people on both sides of the pond.I hope its true as Im finding my info from mainly one website.The media over here in the USA doesn't really talk about it. http://larouchepac.com/ (http://larouchepac.com/)
triffid,
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2012/07/10/254945.htm
That British politician was right. The economy we know and love will be crispy toast and long-dead history, probably by Nov.---before or after the elections, I don't know for sure. People who criticized me in the past about the subject of this thread, whoever they are, are as silent as space now.
I get the last LOL!!!
--Lee
29 pages of an excellent essay on the history of banking in the USA.ITs not the first time our "banks went wild".triffid
http://larouchepac.com/files/Credit%20System-vs-Speculation-20120704_0.pdf (http://larouchepac.com/files/Credit%20System-vs-Speculation-20120704_0.pdf)
By Michael Kirsch
July 4, 2012
Many in the United States Congress want to know how to reorganize the U.S. economy, but are stuck
with two fundamental questions: how to regulate speculation according to constitutional powers, and
how to generate wealth and the means of funding a nation-wide recovery. There is an alternative to
Federal Reserve and Eurozone bailouts and austerity. The alternative is a re-establishment of a U.S.
Credit System, in which the first step is a re-instatement of the Glass-Steagall law, as represented in Rep.
Marcy Kaptur's H.R. 1489.
For the purpose of understanding how to fully re-implement a U.S. Credit System in July-August 2012,
research for this article was done on the full history of how the Second Bank of the United States
functioned to create the greatest period of economic growth in our history. This research was done as
follow up to a similar investigation with regard to the way in which NAWAPA XXI would relate to the
Hamiltonian System of Public Credit, the results of which were published in March 2012.
1
In a recent EIR article
2
, the unification of the nationalist movement which led to and created the
industrialization of the United States was developed in full. In this article, the subject is the workings of
the credit system, how it was directed and the conception which made it possible.
The in-depth historical investigation is necessary knowledge for those taking up the matter of fixing the
current global mess which has been created, and designing a plan that can fund a U.S. recovery, or a
recovery for their own nation. While this article does not include a full demonstration of applying the
historical principles reviewed to an immediate programmatic design, as was done in Appendix 2 of the
recent NAWAPA XXI Special Report just referenced, it is an important piece of the complete scope of
historical development of a functioning Credit System, and that in its most outstanding form.
Our story begins near the beginning of the War of 1812, when the first Bank of the United States met its
demise.
then 27 more pages of the PDF file I just posted a link to .
In addition to a re-establishment of a Bank of the United States, what is needed today is a
group of statesmen in industry, agriculture, science, and technology to be the main drivers
and directors of branches of a national banking system; men and women of the fiber of
Mathew Carey, Nicholas Biddle, and Charles Carroll, who have a vision of what the country
and world should look like, and work with their associates in government and businessmen to
invest the nation's and the world's resources to that end.
Such a team of statesmen must immediately move to replace the bankrupt and rotten
financial system now with the U.S. System of Public Credit, beginning with a wipe out of the
vast derivatives bubble through the implementation of Glass-Steagall, a derivatives bubble
whose creation was as equal a violation of the Constitution as that which usurped the
Congress's control of the currency in 1811-1816, or the treasonous destruction of the Bank by
Jackson in 1832-1836.
The greatest crime ever committed within the United States was the destruction of the credit
system in 1832-1836 by the hand of Andrew Jackson, by which farmers, laborers,
manufacturers, and the whole expansion of the economy, were crushed, through the
tyrannical usurpation of legislative power. The greatest lie ever told in the United States was
that the Bank of the United States under the direction of Nicholas Biddle was destructive to
the liberties and safety of the republic.
In 2012, after the world productive economy has likewise been ravaged for many years, those
who purport themselves the saviors of the people turn to Jackson and his destruction of the
Bank of the United States as their model, blind to the destruction and lies which made up that
sorry destruction and intentional shrinkage of the economy, and its continued effects. The
deadly error with this situation is not the fact that people have been duped into believing a
lie, but that it represents a failure to understand the great credit system of Nicholas Biddle
and the Bank of the United States, a failure to understand the powers of Congress which made
this system possible, and a failure to realize its re-establishment today, for the sake of a
unified national credit structure for sovereign nations.
"We don't have the food supplies to maintain the population of the United States itself, right now!" Lyndon LaRouche said this July 7. We are now well into the principal crop season of North America, and it's a catastrophe. Drought persists in the entire southwestern part of the continent, but also dryness and heat have struck a multi-state zone in the U.S. Cornbelt. The weather impact, the decades of anti-improvements, plus the barring of any food reserves under WTO rules, means hunger and famine. A few updates from Mexico and the U.S. document the scale of this emergency.
Mexico: Hunger, Drought, Desperation
NATIONWIDE: Two out of three hectares are affected by drought. The National Water Commission, CONAGUA, confirms that 1,213 municipalities suffer the same phenomenon in varying degrees. Nineteen of the 32 states are affected by drought.There are now 20 million rural poor, and nationwide, there are 52 million in total, out of the population of 115 mn. Cruz Lopez Aguilar, head of the House Agro and Cattle Commission, estimates that there's been a 35% increase in poverty nationwide as a result of 2011 drought, now extending well into 2012. "That's terrible, because this is added to the 52% poverty we see in the whole country..." In money terms, the drought directly is reducing the GDP by 10 percent, according to INEGI, Mexico's statistical agency.
FOREST FIRES are occurring. INEGI reports that 2011 was one of the worst years ever, in terms of forest fires, in which Coahuila was especially affected, where 425,000 hectares (about a million acres) were destroyed. Losses amount to $15 bn. pesos nationwide. Almost 1 mn. Mexicans are forced out of their locales every year due to forest fires. 53% of area affected by forest fires is concentrated in four states: Durango, Coahuila, Sonora, and Chihuahua, where drought has been most severe. A total of 243,000 hectares in these 4 states alone, have been burned.
WATER WARS. "Social conflict" is becoming the operative phrase as farmers and citizens in different parts of the country are fighting with each other, drilling illegal wells, etc. Something similar has occurred in drought-stricken parts of Brazil. An Agriculture Ministry official has complained that since there has not been a total ban on drilling wells, this has led to a crisis in over-extraction of groundwater. Head of the Independent Peasant Confederation (CCI) says that there must be a "New Rural Development Plan" to create jobs and stimulate domestic production, to avoid social conflict.
The first death from this occurred June 7 in Durango, when an 8-year-old girl was shot, when her family was trying to take water from a disputed well. Residents are defending water rights with machetes in one Durango municipality, according to El Universal. A local official in Durango warns that because 19 municipalities are suffering water shortages, this could lead to conflict between municipalities.
The situation is acute in Chihuahua, were Mennonite groups are digging illegal wells.
FOOD CRISIS. Mexico is at present 40% food-import dependent, according to CCI leader Rafael Galindo, who says that this figure could go to 80%, due not only to drought, but also to floods, tornados, and other natural disasters.
Beef deficit. Mexico now has a beef deficit: between January and June, the country imported $600 mn. worth of beef, while it exported $400 mn. worth, according to head of the National Confederation of Cattle-Growers Organizations. An estimated 33% of the national cattle herd is damaged, that is, 9 million head.
Crop damage. Cruz Lopez Aguilar, head of the House Agro and Cattle Commission, says that even in areas where some rain has occurred, there is accumulated damage caused by two years of drought, and in some cases, farmers haven't been able to produce crops for three years.
2011 was the worst year of drought, during which 2.7 mn. hectares were lost for seven of the major crops, especially in Sinaloa, Zacatecas, and Guanajuato.
- Some State Highlights:
â€" Nuevo Leon: 50,000 head of cattle have been destroyed, 10% of the state's herd. The volume of water impounded by dams has fallen by 27% over the past 12 months. Orange exports are down by 50%; crop is 35% of normal.
â€" Zacatecas: An officially estimated 80,000 head of cattle were lost. The regional cattle-growers organization says cattle losses are higher, at 150,000 head. Bean production 25% of normal, down to 73,000 tons from 300,000 tons. The dams are at 17% of capacity.
â€" Durango: there is neither corn nor beans for domestic consumption; infant malnutrition is up by 50%, and especially bad in Indian communities. There are 1,200 communities without water. The cow cemetary in one municipality is 1 km. wide. 100,000 head of cattle have died in the state.
United States â€" Scrounging for Corn
The largest extent of drought in the contiguous United States was reported last week, by the "Drought Monitor" program of NOAA/NASA/USDA, since it first began doing its weekly map and grid, in year 2000.
The U.S. corn crop, under the persistent heat and dryness, was once again downgraded in the weekly USDA Crop Progress Report issued July 9. Nationwide, corn was rated as only 40 percent "good." This is down from July 2 rating of 48% good, down from 56% the week before, and down from 72% rated good five weeks ago.
Given the already low corn supplies on hand as of last Winter, there now is skirmishing to line up corn in the countryside. Firsthand reports received in past 72 hours, describe some of the dynamics involved in what LaRouche has been forewarning for months. Absolute food shortages, and chaos in the food chain:
* FARMERS FACE FINANCIAL SHOCK from having forward contracted to supply corn they now won't have, and can't obtain. Farmers have been conditioned to be savvy, and to advance buy and sell grain, and advance-contract for inputs â€" called "risk management." But their own crops are withering in the fields, and they cannot line up other sources to fulfull contracts they made, even at any (big loss) price.
* ETHANOL PLANTS IN SOUTHEAST IOWA are facing financial failure. They have cut back or suspended production, because of the too-high price of corn, or absolute lack of corn. They have been trying to sell their stock; no one is buying. A mass crash of ethanol companies regionally (farmer-owned) is imminent.
* MAJOR ETHANOL COMPANIES, including some big-names based in the Dakotas, are facing failure.
* A FREAKED-OUT MASS-EMAIL WENT OUT MONDAY FROM THE RENEWABLE FUELS ASS'N, attempting to scotch a rumor that there is a corn shortage sufficient to activate a waiver of the Federal mandate for ethanol, the Renewable Fuels Standard, RFS. The email prayed to the market gods: "Ultimately, the market will sort out any imbalances in supply and demand." It went on, "Ethanol producers have tightened their belts in recent weeks and reduced production. Last week's production was the lowest of the year and roughly 10% below levels from January."
So here are the food shortages that are coming.Drought in 2011 and 2012 and wildfires.Stock up now!triffid
Major Wall Street and London banks who were part of the LIBOR rate-fixing conspiracy, are facing an expanding number of lawsuits that could cost them an estimated tens of billions of dollars â€" and perhaps much more.
Today's New York Times reports that there is now a pile-on of cities, states, and municipalities to lawsuits filed in Manhattan Federal Court against the banks that set the LIBOR rate, for having ripped off millions from them. These are cities and other government units that have torn up their budgets, laid people off, and in some cases been forced into bankruptcy. This is hugely explosive politically, especially if properly channeled to putting an end to the financial system which created and thrives on such misery, through LaRouche's Glass-Steagall policies.
The City of Baltimore and a pension fund in Connecticut, the City of New Britain's Firefighters' and Police Benefit Fund, are the first to sue, claiming the LIBOR manipulation cost them millions, according to NPR.
"Now, cities, states, and municipal agencies nationwide, including Massachusetts, Nassau County on Long Island, and California's public pension system, are looking at whether they suffered similar losses and are weighing legal action," the Times reports. Peter Shapiro, an investment advisor to Baltimore and other cities, told the Times that "about 75% of major cities have contracts linked to this" â€" the LIBOR fixing. "Unambiguously, state and local government agencies lost money because of the manipulation of LIBOR," said Shapiro. "The number is likely to be very, very big."
The banks targetted include Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Deutsche Bank, and Barclays. Darrell Duffie, a Stanford professor of finance, estimates that these lawsuits could result in the banks' having to pay out tens of billions of dollars, an estimate in line with recent report by Nomura Equity Research.
The Times story emphasized the losses to cities, etc. from transactions involving interest-rate swaps, just barely mentioning pension funds which lost income on their investments if interest rates were held artificially low.
The rather unlimited potential of these lawsuits was pointed out a week ago by, among others, the Seeking Alpha blog and the NY Times "Dealbook" blog. UBS and Barclays have already admitted to wrong-doing in their settlements with government authorities, and are cooperating with authorities, increasing the pressure on their co-conspirator banks to do the same. These admissions of misconduct will open the floodgates to civil lawsuits, since the proof of wrong-doing is already on the record. This also opens to door to a massive number of suits under U.S. federal anti-trust and racketeering statutes. Both the Sherman Anti-trust Act and the Racketeer-Influences and Corruption Organizations (RICO) Act allow for triple damages, and RICO furthermore allows for recovery of attorneys fees, an incentive for the filing of class-action cases.
If you want to know on a daily basis what is happening go to http://larouchepac.com/ (http://larouchepac.com/) for the latest news with the larouch movement.
In the USA, unemployment is over 50% for ages 18-25. 2/3 of all new employment is low income,part time,and temp. 40% of the wealth of the baby boomers was lost in the last four years.Out of 14 million unemployed, 5 and 1/2 million have no unemployment benefits coming in.
For blacks 18-29 unemployment is over 50% also.triffid
Today at Mcdonalds where I eat breakfast sometimes I heard they had "hired" too many people in a recent hiring binge and now they are cutting the hours of everyone there.A lady who has waited on me in the past left early today and told me that they had cut her hours.
Quote from: triffid on July 12, 2012, 04:27:44 PM
Major Wall Street and London banks who were part of the LIBOR rate-fixing conspiracy, are facing an expanding number of lawsuits that could cost them an estimated tens of billions of dollars â€" and perhaps much more.
Today's New York Times reports that there is now a pile-on of cities, states, and municipalities to lawsuits filed in Manhattan Federal Court against the banks that set the LIBOR rate, for having ripped off millions from them. These are cities and other government units that have torn up their budgets, laid people off, and in some cases been forced into bankruptcy. This is hugely explosive politically, especially if properly channeled to putting an end to the financial system which created and thrives on such misery, through LaRouche's Glass-Steagall policies.
The City of Baltimore and a pension fund in Connecticut, the City of New Britain's Firefighters' and Police Benefit Fund, are the first to sue, claiming the LIBOR manipulation cost them millions, according to NPR.
"Now, cities, states, and municipal agencies nationwide, including Massachusetts, Nassau County on Long Island, and California's public pension system, are looking at whether they suffered similar losses and are weighing legal action," the Times reports. Peter Shapiro, an investment advisor to Baltimore and other cities, told the Times that "about 75% of major cities have contracts linked to this" â€" the LIBOR fixing. "Unambiguously, state and local government agencies lost money because of the manipulation of LIBOR," said Shapiro. "The number is likely to be very, very big."
The banks targetted include Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Deutsche Bank, and Barclays. Darrell Duffie, a Stanford professor of finance, estimates that these lawsuits could result in the banks' having to pay out tens of billions of dollars, an estimate in line with recent report by Nomura Equity Research.
The Times story emphasized the losses to cities, etc. from transactions involving interest-rate swaps, just barely mentioning pension funds which lost income on their investments if interest rates were held artificially low.
The rather unlimited potential of these lawsuits was pointed out a week ago by, among others, the Seeking Alpha blog and the NY Times "Dealbook" blog. UBS and Barclays have already admitted to wrong-doing in their settlements with government authorities, and are cooperating with authorities, increasing the pressure on their co-conspirator banks to do the same. These admissions of misconduct will open the floodgates to civil lawsuits, since the proof of wrong-doing is already on the record. This also opens to door to a massive number of suits under U.S. federal anti-trust and racketeering statutes. Both the Sherman Anti-trust Act and the Racketeer-Influences and Corruption Organizations (RICO) Act allow for triple damages, and RICO furthermore allows for recovery of attorneys fees, an incentive for the filing of class-action cases.
How bout a class action suit against the bank underwriters who have been accepting mortgage insurance payments from first time homebuyers and other "risky assets" for years and never delivered in 2008 causing the taxpayers of the US to bail out banks. Who are these flim flammers anyway. Who regulates these thieves?
An interesting tid bit on Zombies. I watched a vid that was posted at OUR and at the end of the YT vid, it shows like 6 or 8 other vids to go watch, and I clicked on this one.
The comedy is pretty good throughout and some facts that I had not heard of, but sounds like she knows what she is talking about. ;]
The link is a series of vids starting with this one. Then I watched the next one and this girl is funny. Good comeedee. And interesting facts and questions along the way.
For example, the second vid she talks about mammal sea life. and says "why dont you just evolve already, get out of the water and get an apartment..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjEqSBbI8Zc&list=UUfkPDHYKTXF0H9U-tdRH5vQ&index=3&feature=plcp
Mags
I'm with you on that Sparks,My brother paid $1500 on his mortgage(lenders) insurance and had it written into the loan.When he died and defaulted on the loan as a result.The house was not paid off so the house would go to his daughter.Yet my brother could not get a loan without forking out $1500 in the beginning.That $1500 was paid to make sure the lender would not lose money in case of default.Death is default?Right?No one else made payments(in the family).Its strange how they(the banks and media) are so quiet on this issue.triffid
Hi Mags,too many zombies ,so little time.I played a zombie too in my lifetime.When I bought my first house I agreed to pay 115,000 dollars total on a $35,000 house over a period of 30 years.It ended up over 100,000 dollars paid out over 17 years with late payments and other fees.I owed about $17000 on it still when I had to sell it for $30,000(bank lending the money set the price)While taxes and insurance said house was $52,000 to replace.So I missed out on a 17,000 dollar payday.Because of banks.
My fault because I played the zombie part.triffid
@Mags Good to see your still here! Forrest and Ramset too.
@All
I believe I made a mistake in calling the bank underwriters thieves. I forgot about reading an article where the British royalty reported that Bush held up the claims payments to the US banks until the bailout bill passed. The underwriters had the reserves in offshore instituitions but Bush blocked the disbursement to US banks making claims. This increased the debt load of the US taxpayers who would have to payback the central bank cartel with interest for what the international underwriters were contracted to payback. The underwriters benefits were based on contracted repayment for much less than the default mortgages face value so banks of choice were bailed out in great excess of what the insurance would have paid. Can you impeach a non-presiding president thereby any bills he signed off on are null and void? If he wasn't president then anything he did is not legal and binding. They impeach Clinton for getting some head?
The end of an imperial system http://larouchepac.com/node/23332 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23332) .Read it for yourselves about 3 good pages of it.
Since my brother did not pay an extra 80 dollars or more a month on his mortgage for(insurance) to pay off his property in case he died.His property was not paid off on his trailer and acre.But the lender got theirs in case he defaulted(he already paid $1500 on that ).I saw the paperwork.So a year later his property was sold at auction bringing the bank additional money.For his pain and being broke the last 5 years of his life he got a lien release(piece of paper) from the property.triffid
http://larouchepac.com/node/23332 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23332) is calling for mankind to really spread into the heavens.Outer Space is where the next economic boom is coming from.Rail gun launchers can put payloads into earth orbit for about 600 dollars per lb.Stuff like water,food,other materials.Already they have rail gun launchers that can reach 10-20 percent light speed.Much too fast for humans.Ok for water and other materials.triffid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun)
For space launches from Earth, relatively short acceleration distances (less than a few kilometers) would require very strong acceleration forces, higher than humans can tolerate. Other designs include a longer helical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix) (spiral) track, or a large ring design whereby a space vehicle would circle the ring numerous times, gradually gaining speed, before being released into a launch corridor leading skyward.
Key Parameters[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun#cite_note-mcnab-16)
Value
UnitsMuzzle Velocity 7500m/sMuzzle Energy35GJLauncher length1600mMaximum acceleration19500m/s^2Maximum acceleration1988g'sLaunch time0.43sCurrent density6.8MA/m.
In 2003, Ian McNab outlined a plan to turn this idea into a realized technology.[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun#cite_note-mcnab-16) The accelerations involved are significantly stronger than human beings can handle. This system would only be used to launch sturdy materials, such as food, water, and fuel. Note that escape velocity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity) under ideal circumstances (equator, mountain, heading east) is 10.735 km/s. The system would cost $528/kg, compared with $20,000/kg [17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun#cite_note-mcnab-16) on the space shuttle (see Non-rocket spacelaunch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-rocket_spacelaunch)). The railgun system McNab suggested would launch 500 tons per year, spread over approximately 2000 launches per year. Because the launch track would be 1.6 km, power will be supplied by a distributed network of 100 rotating machines (compulsator) spread along the track. Each machine would have a 3.3 ton carbon fiber rotor spinning at high speeds. A machine can recharge in a matter of hours using 10 MW. This machine could be supplied by a dedicated generator. The total launch package would weigh almost 1.4 tons. Payload per launch in these conditions is over 400 kg.[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun#cite_note-mcnab-16) There would be a peak operating magnetic field of 5T -- Half of this coming from the rails, and the other half from augmenting magnets. This halves the required current through the rails, which reduces the power fourfold.
So with a rail gun launcher we can get water and food into low earth orbit for 528 dollars per kg vs 20,000 dollars per kg on the space shuttle.
Whats not to love about a rail gun launcher?triffid
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Well, since you're a newbie, and this is your first post, I won't use profanity on you. I started this thread and both triffid and myself---mostly triffid, lately---have kept it going.
OKAY?There should be some rule around here against!! commercial pitches that solicit business for individuals or companies. That means_YOU_.
If you have something to contribute to the discussion, then you are welcome to do so. Otherwise, commercial ads like yours aren't necessary here. If you want money, then go somewhere else.
--Lee
You said it Lee!I almost said what you said already.Earlier today that is ,since he is a newbie I did back off from saying anything.Here are the stories of five recent college grads from Europe as they struggle to find jobs after graduation. http://news.yahoo.com/class-2012-5-europe-grads-face-rocky-future-103458282--finance.html (http://news.yahoo.com/class-2012-5-europe-grads-face-rocky-future-103458282--finance.html).triffid
Austerity is eroding an envied way of life. Long-cherished certainties about cradle-to-grave welfare are evaporating. As leaders scramble to extinguish one debt fire after another, the futures of ordinary people grow dimmer.
Europe's rapidly graying societies are creating even more of a burden on this generation of young people who are finding it so hard to carve out a future.
Those twin crises will challenge Lutz as he leaves his studies in Germany ( Europe's strongest economy), even with its low youth unemployment rate of 8 percent.
They will haunt Lucy and Moira in Britain and France, where more than a fifth of all young people are unemployed.
Athina and Rafa worry they'll have to move abroad to survive. In Greece and Spain, youth unemployment is above 50 percent.
Rafa refuses to believe that after a five-year journey through one of Spain's most demanding schools, what awaits him is the edge of a cliff and a plunge into the dead-end jobs in bars or supermarkets that many of his fellow college grads are taking up to get by.
He breaks into this riff: "Since I was little, they told me, 'when you get to middle school, you will fail some subjects.' I did not fail. 'When you get to high school, your grades will go down.' They did not. 'When you get to university, you will fail.' OK, I have failed a few subjects, but I got by. So I do not want to be told again that there is not going to be any work. I simply do not believe it.
"It all depends on me."
Gonzalez is not angry about his plight. He says everybody in Spain is to blame â€" consumers hooked on loans, banks that threw around the money, politicians who sat back and watched it all inflate dangerously.
"In the end," he says, "it is all of us at least a little bit."
When I sat near the cliffs edge in colorado in the summer of 1972.I came to respect it in a big,big hurry.So much that I never did that again.Walk up to the cliffs edge that is.Amazingly enough Europe saw this type of economic distress right after WW11 with bombed out buildings.Lack of food and lack of money.When I graduated from college it was all up to me to feed myself and shelter myself.I took the first thing I could find.I did stay there two years.I went back to school part-time to turn a chemistry minor into a major.So I had both biology and chemistry degrees(BS) a year later.After the chemistry degree was in my hand no more 2 dollar an hour jobs.After that I always made more money.triffid
To people out of work right now ,I would say learn how to grow food or cook food.People always need to eat.Stay with the basics.Food ,shelter,clothing,you get the idea.Even bankers have to eat and live somewhere.triffid
Gonzalez is not angry about his plight. He says everybody in Spain is to blame â€" consumers hooked on loans, banks that threw around the money, politicians who sat back and watched it all inflate dangerously."In the end," he says, "it is all of us at least a little bit."
Well maybe?But the Politicians were most to blame here for letting the "banks run wild".I don't blame Gonzalez at all.triffid
16 major banks were involved with the rigging of LIBOR rates. http://larouchepac.com/ (http://larouchepac.com/) Our USA media is very quiet about Liborgate.
As Mr. LaRouche develops in his recent paper The End of an Imperial System, the LIBOR rigging is criminality of the highest degree. Not a criminality on a technicality, that the rules weren’t followed correctly. Remember: Adolf Hitler wrote new rules of law.
"If you think we stole, wait till you see what the other banks did." That's the gist of a July 13 internal memo by Barclays CEO Marcus Agius to the bank's staff which went public today. "As other banks settle with authorities, and their details become public, and various governments' inquiries shed more light, our situation will eventually be put in perspective," the Telegraph quoted the memo today. The memo goes on to stridently defend the investment bank master-minded by the disgraced Bob Diamondâ€" known internally as "Bob's baby"â€"in what the bank itself called "an unequivocal statement": "Our strategy and business model were right for Barclays before recent events, and they remain right for Barclays now."
Will the Liborgate killers get away with this "hang tough" line? Barclays Chief Operating Officer Jerry del Missier will be questioned by the British Parliament on Monday; on Tuesday, a hearing will be held to grant Barclays' request to be taken off the panel that sets the interbank lending rate for the UAE (EIBOR); and the Barclays correspondence is exploding in Timmy Geithner's face and threatening to sink Obama himself, even if the mainstream media is working overtime to CY Geithner's A.
"That is very stupid of them," Lyndon LaRouche commented today about the attempted pro-Geithner spin and coverup. "With an angry population, I really would advise them, don't do that."
The U.S. Justice Department's Criminal Division is building cases against several banks, today's NY Times reports today, based on DOJ sources. Congress must demand that they not be settled with an obscene kiss on the rump, as Eric Holder's DOJ did in its agreement not to prosecute Barclays because of its extensive
"assistance" to the DOJ. Though technically reserving the right to prosecute individuals, the DOJ release makes it very clear that there is no DOJ intention to do soâ€"and certainly not the higher-ups.
Deutsche Bank has sought a deal in which it provides evidence to European authorities about the LIBOR rigging in exchange for a lighter penalty, Der Spiegelreports today. It offered EC and Swiss investigators a pact in 2011, which Spiegelsays was recently agreed on. According to a Morgan Stanley study, Deutsche Bank's exposure to lawsuits might total more than $1 billion, and that of all banks together totals $22 billion.
The prospect of criminal prosecution is rattling the banking world in general, theTimes piece reports. The DOJ investigation comes on top of private investor lawsuits and broad investigations by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC). More then 10 big banks in the U.S. are under investigation, and at least two European banks are scrambling to arrange deals. NY Times sources say UBS, whose Americas division chairman Robert Wolf is an Obama bundler and golf buddy, is high on the list.
Home equity time bombs about to go off!!!
Forget any recovery in sales of new or existing homes, based on the 10% increase in sales of existing homes in May 2012, or anything else, says Gretchen Morgenson in today's New York Times.
The reason is that homeowners are strapped with multiple mortgagesâ€"home equity loans in particular. During the initial years of home equity loans, borrowers are required to pay only interest; principal is optional. At Wells Fargo, to take one example, 44% of the bank's home equity borrowers paid only the minimum amount due in the 1st Q of 2012.
This is about to end. The Comptroller of the Currency's "Semiannual Risk Perspective" issued July 3, reports that almost 60% of all home equity line balances will start requiring payments of both principal and interest between 2014 and 2017. While $11b in home equity lines started to require principal and interest this year, that amount increases to $29b in 2014, $53b in 2015, and $111 billion for 2018.
The homes backing these loans are no longer worth the amounts borrowed on them. As borrowers are pressed to pay principal and interest, personal bankruptcies and bank losses will increase.
Another bit of good news. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-says-romney-presidency-create-800-000-jobs-202941714.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-says-romney-presidency-create-800-000-jobs-202941714.html)
Just not in America but overseas.Byebye pensions too.triffid
"Today, we found out, there's a new study out by a nonpartisan economist that says Gov. Romney's economic plan would in fact create 800,000 jobs," Obama said at a town hall-style event in Cincinnati. "There's only one problem. The jobs wouldn't be in America (http://www.barackobama.com/truth-team/entry/top-10-economies-that-benefit-from-romneys-jobs-plan)."
"They would not be in America. They'd be in other countries. By eliminating taxes on corporations' foreign income, Gov. Romney's plan would actually encourage companies to shift more of their operations to foreign tax havens, creating 800,000 jobs in those other countries," the president added.
"This shouldn't be a surprise because Gov. Romney's experience has been investing in what were called pioneers of the business of outsourcing," Obama said, reprising one of his core arguments against the Republican standard-bearer. The president has been assailing Romney over allegedly encouraging businesses to ship jobs overseas.
Gotta love a guy who can outsource his presidency to china.
If It's Up to Obama's DOJ, There Won't Be Criminal Prosecutions of Barclays or Any Other LIBOR Perpetrators.
A June 27 U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) press release reported that the DOJ gave Barclays Bank immunity from criminal prosecution for fixing the LIBOR rate, in exchange for its "extraordinary cooperation" with the investigation, as previously reported in this Briefing. Though the DOJ proffers the fig leaf that it has the right to prosecute individuals, and has the right to prosecute Barclays if it violates its agreement with the DOJ within two years, its sickening praise for the Barclays criminals shows that the Obama DOJ fully intends to protect Barclays and other criminal killersâ€"if they are allowed to get away with it.
The press, or course, continues to mislead and lie by asserting that Barclays doesnot have DOJ immunity from prosecution. That will be the case only once Eric Holder is removed from the DoJ and Obama from the White House.
The Department of Justice press release of June 27 states in relevant part:
"The agreement and monetary penalty recognize Barclays's extraordinary cooperation. Barclays made timely, voluntary and complete disclosure of its misconduct. After government authorities began investigating allegations that banks had engaged in manipulation of benchmark interest rates, Barclays was the first bank to cooperate in a meaningful way in disclosing its conduct relating to LIBOR and EURIBOR. Barclays's disclosure included relevant facts that at the time were not known to the government. Barclays's cooperation has been extensive, in terms of the quality and type of information and assistance provided, and has been of substantial value in furthering the department's ongoing criminal investigation. Barclays has made a commitment to future cooperation with the department and other government authorities in the United States and the United Kingdom.
"Assistant Attorney General Breuer further stated, 'As today's agreement reflects, we are committed to holding companies accountable for their misconduct while, at the same time, giving meaningful credit to companies that provide full and valuable cooperation in our investigations.'
"In addition, Barclays has implemented a series of compliance measures and will implement additional internal controls regarding its submission of LIBOR and EURIBOR contributions, as required by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC). Barclays will also continue to be supervised and monitored by the FSA.
"The agreement and monetary penalty further recognize certain mitigating factors to Barclays's misconduct. At times, Barclays employees raised concerns with the British Bankers Association, the United Kingdom Financial Services Authority (FSA), the Bank of England, and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in late 2007 and in 2008 that the Dollar LIBOR rates submitted by contributing banks, including Barclays, were too low and did not accurately reflect the market. Further, during this time, notwithstanding Barclays's improperly low Dollar LIBOR submissions, those submissions were often higher than the contributions used in the calculation of the fixed rates.
"As a result of Barclays's admission of its misconduct, its extraordinary cooperation, its remediation efforts and certain mitigating and other factors, the department agreed not to prosecute Barclays for providing false LIBOR and EURIBOR contributions, provided that Barclays satisfies its ongoing obligations under the agreement for a period of two years. The non-prosecution agreement applies only to Barclays and not to any employees or officers of Barclays or any other individuals.
"In a related matter, the CFTC brought attempted manipulation and false reporting charges against Barclays, which the bank agreed to settle. The CFTC imposed a $200 million penalty and required Barclays to implement detailed measures designed to ensure the integrity and reliability of its benchmark interest rate submissions.
"The FSA issued a Final Notice regarding its enforcement action against Barclays, and has imposed a penalty of £59.5 million against it."
Quote from: triffid on July 16, 2012, 03:04:33 PM
You said it Lee!I almost said what you said already.Earlier today that is ,since he is a newbie I did back off from saying anything.Here are the stories of five recent college grads from Europe as they struggle to find jobs after graduation. http://news.yahoo.com/class-2012-5-europe-grads-face-rocky-future-103458282--finance.html (http://news.yahoo.com/class-2012-5-europe-grads-face-rocky-future-103458282--finance.html).triffid
triffid,
Sure, you betcha. Glad to be here and try to inform people to prove to them what I say is actually so.
Look out. You're right about the housing mortgages. They're set to increase in rates and the robo-signers or their bosses at the banks knew this was coming. Hell to pay!!
--Lee
Please consider what conditions in Germany precipitated wwii. The same cartel is setting it up in the US now. Several million starving people will follow any maniac. The dept of homeland scrutiny (aka new era gestapo) is in place. Economic collapse resulting in hyper-inflation is in place. No jobs or hope for our youth is in place making them easy prey for military dictators to seize control of the continent. These people are evil thru and thru. See the movie missing links on you tube for further explanation. Your economic disaster is just a tool for conversion of peacetime economy into wartime economy where human suffering is traded for gold in some insane idiots vaults. Luciferians thru and thru.
...and when they own and control all political parties and candidates, the election process serves as a tool for them to achieve power via your "vote".
Which is why you should decline to participate in their power game.
Regards...
The Libor rate fixing scandal, and the recent revelation that HSBC the biggest drug money laundering bank accounts for 60% of drugs coming into America are definitive indictments of the London-based financial system we must shut down with Glass-Steagall.If I were to deal in drugs in the slightest manner the local police would be interested in me!So wheres the sheriff of wall-street?triffid
According to Mr.LaRouche,Obamas plan to invade Syria and Iran after what he did in Libya nearly brought us to nuclear war with Russia.Again which no one else in the USA media but LaRouche is talking about.Talk about the American people being kept in the dark!None of us know whats going on even if we read our own news!One day I'm expecting the TV set to say go take shelter!We'll explain later! triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 18, 2012, 02:14:37 PM
According to Mr.LaRouche...
the world was going to end a couple weekends ago... :P
Yes It pretty much did end a couple of weeks ago.At least more people are seeing the cliffs edge.The old system has to go.Or we have a terrible future.Hyperinflation is on its way.I'm worried all the time about SS(social security).
I found a another website http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4378 (http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4378)
Just need to park it here.You think we have disagreements?Check out their posts!
For Instance!:
Any solution that only lets the rich have cars is still flawed
Yes. Because if 'the poor' ever opt to eat 'the rich' - today man has rifles that can tag someone from a mile away.
'the rich' can't be 'safe' from someone with a gun and a grudge. Back before guns, a walled community and some space got you safety.
RobinPC[/font] on August 7, 2008 - 3:53pm Permalink (http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4378#comment-391217) | Subthread (http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4378/391217) | Parent (http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4378#comment-391023) | Parent subthread (http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4378/391023) | Comments top (http://www.theoildrum.com/node/4378#comments_top)
This rich-poor question is very OT from the water-splitting headline here, but deserves some attention. Obviously at the moment the zillionaires are the least threatened by the rising prices and rising defaults.
But when the growth/oil-based economic system collapses and life becomes much more localised and diy-ized, then certain people who thrived in this decadent authoritarian society will find they have no place in a down-to-earth practical society.
Most rich people have made their money via opportunities presented by large markets enabled by cheap oil. Or they have great power due merely to qualifications which are of negligible value in practical situations, such as judges, politicians, and media "celebrities" of sports and entertainment (I hesitate to abuse the word 'art'!).
Come the inevitable "revolution", and collapse of existing power/credibility structures, such people are going to find themselves exposed as the least valuable to fellow-humans, in stark contrast to those who have expertise in key practical skills.
Given this stark reality we would expect that the people most subject to denial will be these rich and powerful people who are so babyishly dependent on others to turn screws the correct direction, harvest the food at the right date, and so on.
Consequently they will fail to prepare and will be all the more shocked at what happens. To crib various verses of the Qur'an, "Theirs will be a terrible fate".
The rest of it is about 4 years old and its pretty much just science types bashing each other.Over hydrogen production.But those two posts pretty much said the rich will get theirs too.triffid
This article says US debt really 50 trillion,not the mere 15.7 trillion we are told. http://global.christianpost.com/news/study-says-national-debt-is-bigger-than-you-think-50000000000000-76548/ (http://global.christianpost.com/news/study-says-national-debt-is-bigger-than-you-think-50000000000000-76548/) triffid
Another disturbing trend in the USA. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/retirees-hit-hard-foreclosures-040549307.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/retirees-hit-hard-foreclosures-040549307.html) Over 75 years old is the hardest hit group.triffid
Mortgage debt also increased among other 50+ Americans: 54% of families headed by a 55- to 64-year-old had mortgage debt in 2010, up from 37% in 1989. And 41% of families headed by a 65- to 74-year-old owed money on a mortgage, up from 22% two decades earlier.
“This increase partly reflects increased borrowing that was spurred by historically low interest rates and high home values prior to the housing market collapse,†the report said. “It may indicate that the oldest borrowers have tapped their home equity to finance their needs in retirement.â€
Combine that outstanding debt with lower incomes, rising property-tax bills and health-care costs â€" and you get homeowners facing a severe financial crunch.
“The Great Recession has been brutal for many older Americans,†said Debra Whitman, executive vice president for policy at AARP.[/size]
“America’s oldest homeowners have been struggling to maintain their financial security as their incomes are falling, and as mortgage payments, property taxes and health-care costs are increasing.â€
The ATM is empty
And tapping home equity is no longer a cash-flow solution for the some 3.5 million older Americans, who are now “underwater†on their homes (they owe more than the house is worth).
About 23% of loans nationwide â€" borrowers of all ages â€" were underwater in December. That figure rises to 28% among younger homeowners, those under age 50, versus 16% for borrowers over age 50, the report said.
Check out "Whats really wrong with America " by Stansberry & Associates.
A very lengthy video that explains what is actually happening and root cause.
I tried linking this video but did not work.
CH
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on July 18, 2012, 02:31:57 PM
the world was going to end a couple weekends ago... :P
So nice! to see you back on this thread, Wilby... . >:( :o ;D
I'm not LaRouche, and I said something different. Sept to Nov, is the strong rumor---not so much a rumor, IMHO!---is when things start getting wild and crazy; worse than Steve Martin's dance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XePWgs43eOc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XePWgs43eOc)
Seriously, now:
WilbyInebriated did ask when it was all happening didn't he? Okay, fine! Just sit out there in the middle of nowhere, Wilby... The bad 'Dr.' Nowak indicated that the
"Boys at Langley" had a picture of his mother's house? Well, then, they can find anyone, including me :( ::) :-[ and: I'm...Not...Hiding...From...Anyone... :-X They knowwhere I live, too. And:
I'm. Not. Afraid. ;) :D :)
Just wait and see in a few months, that's all. ;D
--Lee
When I hear something ,I try to consider the source.Thats a rule of thumb for me.If our current problems with the banks don't get corrected all of us will have a hard time just surviving.Hyperinflation is not pretty.Food costs will go up .With housing owning your own is the best way to go.Renting a house will not be good for the owner as rent controls might be imposed.Hunting and fishing will see a huge increase.So game will be scarcer.The advantage the young will have over the retired folks will be better health.Able to move around better.
My two books I bought a year ago convinced me our system is totally broken.LaRouche just confirms everything I learned a year ago.At least he sets the stage for events to occur sometime this year.Maybe he was trying to grab some attention.To get people to look and listen you have to do things to get people to look and listen.His group have been in Washington D.C. So Obama has seen him.If a section of the british ruling elite are with him as he says they are then somethings bound to happen.triffid
Camel herder49,this is what I found according to the name you posted:Your guy you mentioned sells a newsletter.LaRouche does not!
LaRouche does ask for donations however.
United StatesStansberry's 2011 online video and infomercial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infomercial) titled "End of America" paints a very grim picture of the financial future of the United States.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Stansberry#cite_note-YahooFeb-0) The 77-minute video forecasts the end of America's global economic dominance, which Stansberry predicts will ultimately result in rioting and protests across the country.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Stansberry#cite_note-Townhall1-1)[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Porter_Stansberry&action=edit§ion=5&editintro=Template:BLP_editintro)]EuropeIn an August 2011 online debate with James Altucher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Altucher), Stansberry predicted that Europe's debt crisis will only intensify in the coming year, with Italy'sUnicredit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicredit) being "the next big domino to fall."[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Stansberry#cite_note-Insider-5) Stansberry predicts that once Unicredit falls, Germany will not bail them out, and that in fact Germany will leave the European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union) within the next twelve months (by August 2012).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Stansberry#cite_note-Insider-5) Additionally, Stansberry predicts that the U.S. Dollar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Dollar) will lose its reserve status (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency) and the U.S Treasury "bubble" will burst.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Stansberry#cite_note-Insider-5) As a result of these oncoming financial calamities, Stansberry recommends that investors convert their assets to 50% gold and 50% cash, if they are not willing (or able) to actively acquire short stocks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_(finance)#Shorting_stock_in_the_U.S.).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Stansberry#cite_note-Insider-5)
The evidence is now piling up that the global financial system as we’ve known it has been the main source of the planet’s drug money laundering, has financed a global terrorist network, and has ripped off of whole nations upwards of hundreds of billions of dollars.
Neither Of These Clowns Will Be President
by Rachel Brown (D-MA), LaRouche National Candidates Slate
The only definite process on the planet is the one fighting for the survival of the planet. The LIBOR "scandal," rather than being yet another swindle, is nothing less than the trigger being pulled on the entire financial system by the highest levels of the British Empire- who are acting now to bring a full Glass-Steagall reorganization into being, as LaRouche has called for. As just one indication of this move from the City of London, look to the pages of the Financial Times in a July 4th editorial, which asserted, "the cultural tensions between investment and commercial banking can only be resolved by totally separating the two, on formal Glass-Steagall lines." And from Lord Myners, of N.M. Rothschild, "...the ring fence doesn't go far enough. We need to go to what is known as a Glass-Steagall model, which is a complete separation."
Ironically, the same forces which put Obama into power, are now calling for Glass-Steagall, which in turn requires Obama's removal from office. The LIBOR case itself, a demonstration that the entire system is rotten, indicts the Obama administration on many levels, including to clarify the direction, and role, of the flow of drug money, as under Obama's Fast and Furious coverup, from Mexico through banks like HSBC-- now testifying in Congress for such activity, and a target of the LIBOR investigations. HSBC has also has been suspected for funneling money directly to Obama's 2008 campaign. Holder, in his unofficial role as Obama's defender, and guilty of illegal crimes and coverups, is already in the process of being removed from office.
Timothy Geithner is also guilty, and should be removed from office, having not acted to call the game on rate manipulation when it first became known to him, but, after having known about it since 2008, as Treasury Secretary still did nothing. He deserves a criminal trial, being responsible for the murder committed throughout the cities and states of the United States, a result of the severe financial austerity consciously caused, under hundreds of millions of dollars stolen from municipalities by banks in Wall St. and the City of London.
The walls are coming down, for Obama and Romney both. It's likely that neither of these two will be the electee come November 7th. What must occur before then is that a complete change, which the top echelons of the British Establishment are proffering to the leadership of the United States through this call for a return to Glass-Steagall, takes place, and is already fully in motion the day after the election-- under a different candidate than our two currently disastrous options. Many other options for candidate are available-- probably with better quality and at a lower price-- and Obama has already been thrown to the wolves.
History is not made by accident, but by intention. To save this country and secure the future of mankind requires that we now overcome any stupid notions of popular opinion which would otherwise keep us from adopting the necessary actions for our survival.
I will say one thing for the British is they know how to rule. They realized a long time ago that you do not enslave your colonies. The founding fathers in their wisdom knew a time would come where the populace would be unable to elect a leader capable of running a country for the benefit of all it's citizens. This is enevitable when money buys elections by controlling the media. The person who actually elects the candidates is the one designated to go to the electoral college to vote for the various candidates. It is assumed that the electoral college will elect the candidates who "won" the vote of the state designated electorate. This is an assumption and the electorate can elect any candidate on the roster. If you want to make a very powerful move find out who your state selected to go to the electoral college and educate them as to the real power they have. They are not patsies of there parties political system they are a filter to filter out such people as Obama and Romney who are criminals. I believe that their election of a person known to be incapable of leading a nation is a criminal act as they took an oath to elect candidates who are most capable of governing the country for the welfare of all it's citizens. I would have it be known that if they elect obama or romney they are in violation of the US constitution and will suffer the consequence of breaking the law.
Interesting reading!! I see a pattern.
Camelherder49,your article is fantastic!All of it needs to be put here!So we will know whats going on!triffid
Abraham Lincoln ^2 From this we see that the solution worked so well
Lincoln was seriously considering adopting this emergency measure as a
permanent policy. This would have been great for everyone except the
money changers who quickly realised how dangerous this policy would be
for them. They wasted no time in expressing their view in the London
Times. Oddly enough, while the article seems to have been designed to
discourage this creative financial policy, in its put down we're clearly
able to see the policies goodness. "If this mischievous financial
policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become endurated
down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money
without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have
all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become
prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains,
and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must
be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe." *
This is why usury is such a great EVIL!
John Kenneth Galbrath The American economy has been based on government
debt since 1864 and it is locked into this system. Talk of paying off
the debt without first reforming the banking system is just talk and a
complete impossibility. That same year Lincoln had a pleasant surprise.
Turns out the Tsar of Russia, Alexander II, was well aware of the money
changers scam. The Tsar was refusing to allow them to set up a central
bank in Russia. If Lincoln could limit the power of the money changers
and win the war, the bankers would not be able to split America and hand
it back to Britain and France as planned. The Tsar knew that this
handing back would come at a cost which would eventually need to be paid
back by attacking Russia, it being clearly in the money changers sights.
The Tsar declared that if France or Britain gave help to the South,
Russia would consider this an act of war. Britain and France would
instead wait in vain to have the wealth of the colonies returned to
them, and while they waited Lincoln won the civil war. With an election
coming up the next year, Lincoln himself would wait for renewed public
support before reversing the National Bank Act he had been pressured
into approving during the war. Lincoln's opposition to the central banks
financial control and a proposed return to the gold standard is well
documented. He would certainly have killed off the national banks
monopoly had he not been killed himself only 41 days after being
re-elected. The money changers were pressing for a gold standard because
gold was scarce and easier to have a monopoly over. Much of this was
already waiting in their hands and each gold merchant was well aware
that what they really had could be easily made to seem like much much
more. Silver would only widen the field and lower the share so they
pressed for... *
So this is the first time I ever heard of a good reason against having a gold and silver standard.triffid
The money changers were pressing for a gold standard becausegold was scarce and easier to have a monopoly over. Much of this wasalready waiting in their hands and each gold merchant was well awarethat what they really had could be easily made to seem like much muchmore. Silver would only widen the field and lower the share so theypressed for... *
Hazard Circular - London Times 1865 From this extract its plan to see
that it is the advantage provided by the adopting of this policy which
poses a threat to those not using it. 1863, nearly there, Lincoln needed
just a bit more money to win the war, and seeing him in this vulnerable
state, and knowing that the president could not get the congressional
authority to issue more greenbacks, the money changers proposed the
passing of the National Bank Act. The act went through. From this point
on the entire US money supply would be created out of debt by bankers
buying US government bonds and issuing them from reserves for bank
notes. The greenbacks continued to be in circulation until 1994, their
numbers were not increased but in fact decreased. "In numerous years
following the war, the Federal Government ran a heavy surplus. It could
not (however) pay off its debt, retire its securities, because to do so
meant there would be no bonds to back the national bank notes. To pay
off the debt was to destroy the money supply."*
This means there will always be government debt!!!
We have Paper backing Paper!!!
Fleecing of the flock is the term the money changers use for the process
of booms and depressions which make it possible for them to repossess
property at a fraction of its worth. In 1891 a major fleece was being
planned. "On Sept 1st, 1894, we will not renew our loans under any
consideration. On Sept 1st we will demand our money. We will foreclose
and become mortgagees in possession. We can take two-thirds of the farms
west of the Mississippi, and thousands of them east of the Mississippi
as well, at our own price... Then the farmers will become tenants as in
England..."*
Fleecing of the flock is whats going on now!I have seen it!triffid
W.Cleon Skousen. Even after his death, the idea that America might print
its own debt free money set off warning bells throughout the entire
European banking community. On April 12th in 1866, the American congress
passed the Contraction Act, allowing the treasury to call in and retire
some of Lincoln's greenbacks, With only the banks standing to gain from
this, it's not hard to work out the source of this action. To give the
American public the false impression that they would be better off under
the gold standard, the money changers used the control they had to cause
economic instability and panic the people. This was fairly easy to do by
calling in existing loans and refusing to issue new ones, a tried and
proven method of causing depression. They would then spread the word
through the media they largely controlled that the lack of a single gold
standard was the cause of the hardship which ensued, while all this time
using the Contraction Act to lower the amount of money in circulation. *
*It went from $1.8 billion in circulation in 1866 allowing $50.46 per
person, to $1.3 billion in 1867 allowing $44.00 per person, to $0.6
billion in 1876 making only $14.60 per person and down to $0.4 billion
only ten years later leaving only $6.67 per person and a continually
growing population. *
*Most people believe the economists when they tell us that recessions
and depressions are part of the natural flow, but in truth the money
supply is controlled by a small minority who have always done so and
will continue to do so if we let them. By 1872 the American public was
beginning to feel the squeeze, so the Bank of England, scheming in the
back rooms, sent Ernest Seyd, with lots of money to bribe congress into
demonetising silver. Ernest drafted the legislation himself, which came
into law with the passing of the Coinage Act, effectively stopping the
minting of silver that year. Here's what he said about his trip,
obviously pleased with himself. "I went to America in the winter of
1872-73, authorised to secure, if I could, the passage of a bill
demonetising silver. It was in the interest of those I represented - the
governors of the Bank of England - to have it done. By 1873, gold coins
were the only form of coin money." *
*
Ernest Seyd Or as explained by Senator Daniel of Virginia "In 1872
silver being demonetized in Germany, England, and Holland, a capital of
100,000 pounds ($500,000.00) was raised, Ernest Seyd was sent to this
country with this fund as agent for foreign bond holders to effect the
same object (demonetization of silver)". ^1 *
*Within three years, with 30% of the work force unemployed, the American
people began to harken back to the days of silver backed money and the
greenbacks. The US Silver Commission was set up to study the problem and
responded with telling history: "The disaster of the Dark Ages was
caused by decreasing money and falling prices... Without money,
civilisation could not have had a beginning, and with a diminishing
supply, it must languish and unless relieved, finally perish. At the
Christian era the metallic money of the Roman Empire amounted to
$1,800,million. By the end of the fifteenth century it had shrunk to
less than $200,million. History records no other such disastrous
transition as that from the Roman Empire to the Dark Ages..."*
*
United States Silver Commission While they obviously could see the
problems being caused by the restricted money supply, this declaration
did little to help the problem, and in 1877 riots broke out all over the
country. The bank's response was to do nothing except to campaign
against the idea that greenbacks should be reissued. The American
Bankers Association secretary James Buel expressed the bankers attitude
well in a letter to fellow members of the association. *
*He wrote: "It is advisable to do all in your power to sustain such
prominent daily and weekly newspapers, especially the Agricultural and
Religious Press, as will oppose the greenback issue of paper money and
that you will also withhold patronage from all applicants who are not
willing to oppose the government issue of money. To repeal the Act
creating bank notes, or to restore to circulation the government issue
of money will be to provide the people with money and will therefore
seriously affect our individual profits as bankers and lenders. See your
congressman at once and engage him to support our interest that we may
control legislation."
James Buel American Bankers Association ^2 What this statement exposes
is the difference in mentality between your average person and a banker.
With a banker 'less really is more' and every need an opportunity to
exploit. James Garfield became President in 1881 with a firm grasp of
where the problem lay. "Whosoever controls the volume of money in any
country is absolute master of all industry and commerce... And when you
realise that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or
another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told
how periods of inflation and depression originate." *
James Garfield 1881 Within weeks of releasing this statement President
Garfield was assassinated. The cry from the streets was to...
I heard that this is why JFK was killed(same reason).
ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR (1861 - 1865) *
*
With the Central Bank killed off, fractional reserve banking moved like
a virus through numerous state chartered banks instead causing the
instability this form of economics thrives on. When people lose their
homes someone else wins them for a fraction of their worth. Depression
is good news to the lender; but war causes even more debt and dependency
than anything else, so if the money changers couldn't have their Central
Bank with a license to print money, a war it would have to be. We can
see from this quote of the then chancellor of Germany that slavery was
not the only cause for the American Civil War. "The division of the
United States into federations of equal force was decided long before
the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were
afraid that the US, if they remained as one block, and as one nation,
would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset
their financial domination over the world."*
*
Otto von Bismark chancellor of Germany 1876 On the 12th of April 1861
this economic war began. Predictably Lincoln, needing money to finance
his war effort, went with his secretary of the treasury to New York to
apply for the necessary loans. The money changers wishing the Union to
fail offered loans at 24% to 36%. Lincoln declined the offer. An old
friend of Lincoln's, Colonel Dick Taylor of Chicago was put in charge of
solving the problem of how to finance the war. His solution is recorded
as this. "Just get Congress to pass a bill authorising the printing of
full legal tender treasury notes... and pay your soldiers with them and
go ahead and win your war with them also."*
*
Colonel Dick Taylor When Lincoln asked if the people of America would
accept the notes Taylor said. "The people or anyone else will not have
any choice in the matter, if you make them full legal tender. They will
have the full sanction of the government and be just as good as any
money; as Congress is given that express right by the Constitution."*
*
Colonel Dick Taylor ^1 Lincoln agreed to try this solution and printed
450 million dollars worth of the new bills using green ink on the back
to distinguish them from other notes. "The government should create,
issue and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the
spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers.....
The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme
prerogative of Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative
opportunity. By the adoption of these principles, the long-felt want for
a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense
sums of interest, discounts and exchanges. The financing of all public
enterprises, the maintenance of stable government and ordered progress,
and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical
administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as
safe as their own government. Money will cease to be the master and
become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the
money power." *
*
From part three of the history of money at http://www.xat.org (http://www.xat.org)
"Without being radical or overly bold, I will tell you that the Third World War has already started - a silent war, not for that reason any the less sinister. This war is tearing down Brazil, Latin America and practically all the Third World. Instead of soldiers dying there are children, instead of millions of wounded there are millions of unemployed; instead of destruction of bridges there is the tearing down of factories, schools, hospitals, and entire economies . . . It is a war by the United States against the Latin American continent and the Third World. It is a war over the foreign debt, one which has as its main weapon interest, a weapon more deadly than the atom bomb, more shattering than a laser beam . ."
If a group or organisation had used its hard earned money to help these developing nations, then we might sympathise that there should be a real effort to repay these loans. But the money used was created from fractional reserve banking. The money loaned to the Third World came from the 90% the banks allow themselves to loan on the 10% they actually held. It didn't exist, it was created from nothing, and now people are suffering and dying in an effort to pay it back.
This has gone beyond clever financing, it's whole sale murder and it's time we stopped it. We can!
The most sad part of seeing what is actually taking place around us
is that all of this history has been purposely withheld from everyone
for the purpose of continuation of "the system".
I would dare say that our so called politicians do not even truly understand,
both their, and our, situation.
Our leaders today are just as blind as the ones in the past according to the articles at www.xat.org (http://www.xat.org) mention.Hindsight is 20/20.Foresight is not 20/20 but if the system is not changed the outcome will be the same.More debt,more riches for a select few,hyperinflation for the masses.More unemployment for the masses.Ben Franklin saw 30% unemployment in his time once England took away the colonies power to print money.
Greece is now in a great depression(like the 1930's). http://news.yahoo.com/greek-pm-sees-country-great-depression-123450025.html (http://news.yahoo.com/greek-pm-sees-country-great-depression-123450025.html)
22.6% unemployment in the first quarter for greece.
Another headline for today. http://news.yahoo.com/us-poverty-track-rise-highest-since-1960s-112946547--finance.html (http://news.yahoo.com/us-poverty-track-rise-highest-since-1960s-112946547--finance.html)
The analysts' estimates suggest that some 47 million people in the U.S., or 1 in 6, were poor last year. An increase of one-tenth of a percentage point to 15.2 percent would tie the 1983 rate, the highest since 1965. The highest level on record was 22.4 percent in 1959, when the government began calculating poverty figures.
Poverty is closely tied to joblessness. While the unemployment rate improved from 9.6 percent in 2010 to 8.9 percent in 2011, the employment-population ratio remained largely unchanged, meaning many discouraged workers simply stopped looking for work. Food stamp rolls, another indicator of poverty, also grew.
Demographers also say:
â€"Poverty will remain above the pre-recession level of 12.5 percent for many more years. Several predicted that peak poverty levels â€" 15 percent to 16 percent â€" will last at least until 2014, due to expiring unemployment benefits, a jobless rate persistently above 6 percent and weak wage growth.
http://larouchepac.com/ (http://larouchepac.com/) Save the nation!Not the present money system! Restore Glass-Steagall.
LaRouche: Glass-Steagall, National Banking, & NAWAPA -- A Single, Inseparable Program (http://larouchepac.com/node/23430)
10 hours 20 min ago
As LPAC prepares to enter two weeks of nation-wide mobilization, Lyndon LaRouche delivered these remarks on July 22, 2012. The urgency of coming to understand his message cannot be over-stated, if we are to succeed in saving this nation.
Is it true that the Euro will come to an end as a currency ? Today morning I heardt that some german politicans want the Greeks to get out of the euro-zone.
Is this then "hour 0" of the end of the euro ?
What do you think triffid ?
Quote from: Frederic2k1 on July 23, 2012, 11:25:36 AM
Is it true that the Euro will come to an end as a currency ? Today morning I heardt that some german politicans want the Greeks to get out of the euro-zone.
Is this then "hour 0" of the end of the euro ?
What do you think triffid ?
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/61de3a26-e515-11e0-9aa8-00144feabdc0.html
It never did look good. I expect fresh riots in Greece and southern Europe of the situation goes south in a bad way---and in a few months at the most---I'd say it will.
triffid, and all:
On top of all my problems, I've also been diagnosed with skin cancer. Family history on both sides of my family. Crap. If it isn't one thing, something else comes along and adds to the misery.
I may be back later, but survival takes top priority.
--Lee
Finally some news about the Libor Scandal in our own news media! http://finance.yahoo.com/news/libor-criminal-charges-likely-201835873.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/libor-criminal-charges-likely-201835873.html)
Big M, check into "bloodroot ointment" for your skin cancer.Google it up.I think you can find a jar of it somewhere.Makes that skin cancer fall right off!
I do not think the euro will come to an end because of one little country leaving the euro(about 17 countries are in the EU) system.Because you have the other 16 countries using it.I think if Greece went back to printing their own money their economy would recover.Take a good long hard look at www.xat.org (http://www.xat.org) and the information there and you will realize that the central banking system is the real problem.But when a government prints its own money and makes it legal tender.That country has an economic boom.Everybody has more money to spend.Remember the Federal Reserve caused the great depression by reducing the money supply.And what did they say about that? S O R R Y about that!triffid
www.xat.org (http://www.xat.org) makes me smarter than I was.
Look on your us dollar bills they are only good for the repayment of public and private debts. So what is wrong with me doing the same thing. I just go out and take this piece of paper on my desk and write on it 10,000million meyas and the words this is legal tender for the repayment of all debts public and private and sign it me secretary to the treasury of mine. They do it why can't I. ;D When asked how many meyas i have in reserve I pull out my 1 million meya note and show them. Then I payoff all my kid's mortgage and go on a shopping spree with the 9,999million meyas of money I have left over. Oops cant do that because my piece of paper says it's only good for repayment of debt. Oh I'll do the right thing and pay off the national debt. I am sure at some point someone is going to ask me how much a meya is worth. I would promptly reply it is worth just a little less then a dollar. Says who. Says me. And you are? A leading economist specializing in the exchange rates of myas and secretary to the treasury of mine. Oh. Why is a mya worth less than a dollar? Cause of the paper it's printed on is just computer paper.
Hi Sparks,Only government can print money and make it "legal tender",They took that right away from individuals forever ago.The best you and I can do is make a promissary note to someone to buy a house.Similar to a mortgage.They do use promissary notes in real estate.If you and I print any other kind of money we get to live in a 5x9 duplex with our meals served to us.Do you like jailhouse baloney sandwiches?No mayo? In the USA its paper(bonds) backing paper(paper money).Never mind going back to a gold and silver system.The money changers have nearly all of that right now.So we make what they already have more valuable.I once used a promissary note to help sell a house.I may use one again to help me buy a house.triffid
I am looking all over this US Federal Reserve note putting US citizens in bondage for all the forseeable future that allows me to use a debt note for the purchase of goods and services? Oh I see the con now. You can not own or operate a commercial enterprise in the US unless you are a US citizen who is born into slavery to the debt note issuer. Then the legal tender is ok to use because it is an instrument of indenture to the slave purchaser. I thought there was a law on the books that makes it an international crime to deal in human beings yet slave trading is actively and openly engaged in by the nations of the world enslaving their populations to very privately owned and operated slave clearing houses. Another interesting thing is the words these slave traders use. Bonds-Securities-Investments-Exchange The real tipoff as to the decitful practices these slave traders use is the origin of the word investment. This word originated when a slave trader would leave the market after he purchased a slave. He would immediately take the receipt and put it in his vest pocket and scurry away from the market. He had to hide his practice of dealing in human beings in his vest pocket before someone knocked him over the head and stole the receipt and set the slave free. You can also have a vested interest in a persons activities. Interest vested. Demand for interest is vested or hidden as this is another instrument of enslavement. When the fed sets an interest rate it is interested in seeing how many idiots will show up at their doorsteps to increase their level of servitude.
Hi Sparks,Government uses all the pretty words to hide what they are doing in plain sight,dumb down the population to people who can't spell or make complete sentences.Only government can enslave the person without going to jail.Yes,its sad that America used slavery and made that legal even though it was wrong in so many ways.triffid
Quote from: sparks on July 24, 2012, 12:25:18 AM
They do it why can't I. ;D
because you are not a sovereign... and triffid, they didn't 'take that right away'... they convinced you all to surrender them willingly... your constitutional right to unlimited contract was used against you.
you're not a slave either...
you surrendered your natural sovereign rights... and most of you did it out of ignorance or worse... convenience.
know law... or no law. your choice.
Take a while to digest that one Wilby. You appear to know law well and is there a provision in the US constitution that allows for retroactive impeachment of public officials that are guilty of defrauding the citizens of the United States or are our elected officials exempt from criminal acts. For e.g. the Bush cartel brings down the towers and uses various other forms of propoganda upon the members of congress to pass a bill basically abolishing all rights afforded citizens of the US. This bill is enacted without any input from the constituents as all information in the bill is classified due to security reasons. Were our forefathers total idiots who would make the us citizens suffer for the stupid or criminal acts of elected officials forever or is there a shortcut to impeaching various key vote makers from office in retrospect which is always 20 20 or do we have to suffer the consequences eternally for making mistakes in the past electing corrupt officials?
our forefathers were smart enough to know that with freedom comes the unlimited right to contract... if you contract away your freedoms, well... that's your right. i'm not saying they play fair and even let anyone know what they are in for, but they can get away with it since erie vs. tompkins when the courts of law and equity were merged. as you noted in your post on that other thread, caveat emptor.
as far as impeachment, good luck. i don't see to much public fervor to do anything of the sort.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on July 24, 2012, 01:08:35 PM
because you are not a sovereign...
Does it matter? To? You?
You, I and anyone else make a difference? Evidently when your major focus is apparently trying to get a maximum reaction out of Members? Look, the world is being run by a few individuals in governmental power who want what they desire and will do what it takes to get what they want. This will all stop when the money disappears and they have to hide or be ripped apart by angry mobs. Sovereign or not.
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...and triffid, they didn't 'take that right away'... they convinced you all to surrender them willingly...
I don't know about triffid, but I wasn't convinced to surrender such rights "willingly". To_anyone_. I didn't vote because I know why world leaders can't be trusted and no one's vote will make any difference. Like the Russian saying goes:
"Ask for what they want unless they won't give it to you. In that case, take it." ---Isaac Asimov (I believe)
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your constitutional right to unlimited contract was used against you.
There's no shortage of liars in the world, unless they're Asperger's sufferers, who hardly have the guile to lie and cheat, even if they're high functioning.
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you're not a slave either... you surrendered your natural sovereign rights... and most of you did it out of ignorance or worse... convenience.
Oh, I did, did I? When was that? I love these blanket statements. ;D Makes you look so worldly and knowledgeable ::) :o (that last word was in Overunity's spell check library).
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know law... or no law. your choice.
Bull. Like hell.
Certain might people have the money, laws and guns I don't have, but they can't make me like suffering privation on their whim.
Triffid !? What do you think of our dear Wilby...'s assertion?
--Lee
BTW, triffid, that ointment won't work on internal organs if the tumor goes into metastasis. At my age, it might at any time. Hope not. Thanks for the concern. Good friends are worth more than anything and everything. You're one such friend.
Thomas Jefferson enlightened-
When it comes to internal cancer big M,Apple seeds from apples of course contain vitamin b-17.If I had cancer inside of me already I would eat the seeds from three apples a day for 90 days is what I would do for myself.You need to pick the seeds out yourself and crunch every single one.Otherwise the apple seeds could slip down your gullet and pass on out of your system with the seeds intact.If you want to prevent Cancer the seeds from one apple a day will prevent it.
As far what Wilby is saying I do believe its true.My mom showed me a long time ago how to take matters back into my own hands.I did not understand her actions at the time.I thought she had done the wrong thing even.But we lived and the people she defaulted on lived.
She owed $150.00 on a grocery store account.We would pay it off and we would rack up at least $135.00 or more the next month.The problem that $150.00 was all the child support she got each month for us kids(back in the 1960's).So after about 6 months of eating out of the store and paying the store the whole amount nearly.She decided one day not to pay it.I thought the world would cave in on us but it did not!
Defaulting is a way to survive.Greece should default and pull away from the EU and print their own money again.If you will read the articles at http://www.xat.org.You (http://www.xat.org.you) will realize that the central banks exist only to profit a very,very few of the people at the the expense of the masses.The central banks cause the economic booms and busts.They caused the great depression of the 1930's.
Its time to shut the federal reserve down.
I said defaulting is a (legal) way to survive whereas stealing is another(illegal) way to survive.Government is bought and paid for by the central banks.So they can legally steal your wealth.They can cause a real estate bubble to inflate and burst and take your real estate back for 10 cents on the dollar.The central banks can cause your other investments to lose value too.When banks deny credit to businesses they often shut down.I saw that happen back in the 1970's at the clothing store I worked at my last year of high school.When somebody breaks into your house to rob you.The police will come to take them to jail.When banks rig the Libor Rate that so many trillions of dollars in contracts are connected to .Our media says nothing about it and our government is very lame to do anything about because they will kill any leader in power trying to stop them .Remember Garfield and JFK?triffid
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 25, 2012, 12:14:38 PM
Oh, I did, did I? When was that? I love these blanket statements. ;D Makes you look so worldly and knowledgeable ::) :o (that last word was in Overunity's spell check library
do you have a social security number? have you ever registered to vote? have you used federal reserve notes to purchase anything? do you have a drivers license? have you ever taken government welfare? etc. etc.
ALL of those things enter you into a contract with the feds... and since the courts of law and equity were merged with the landmark case of erie railroad vs tompkins. there is no longer any stipulation that you must enter in to a contract knowingly, willingly and voluntarily. merely exercising the benefit(s) of a contract binds you to it...
and triffid is right. there is a way out. because... if citizenship wasn't voluntary it would be slavery.
again... know law, or no law...
you just want to argue even when you're wrong because you have some personal vendetta against me. you would bitch, whine and disagree even if i told you you were smart... just to argue. ::)
tu stultus es! and get off my lawn.
http://larouchepac.com/ (http://larouchepac.com/) LaRouche wants banking reform.He wants to restore Glass-Steagall. In LaRouche's speech today.He says the human species must expand into the solar system then into the galaxy.He says that to stay on the earth because theres no will or no money to go into the galaxy dooms mankind to death when the sun starts expanding in 5 billion years.
Actually we have less than one billion years because from now one billion years on our sun will get hotter by 6 % per million years.So in one billion years the surface will be too hot to live on.Being underground will doom the survivors too!
LaRouche says that mankind is the only species on earth that uses and controls fire.We need to expand into the universe and not try to please a small ruling body that only wants to preserve their power.We do not want the death of the human species.triffid
LPAC Weekly Report - "Mankind Is The Only Species That Uses Fire" (http://larouchepac.com/node/23454)
1 hour 5 min ago
The time has come when the new thesis of humanity must come to rise in our society. Sensuality is NOT a standard for truthfulness, and we must free ourselves from those bad habits which have brought us to the brink of destruction.
Two Weeks to Save the Nation (http://larouchepac.com/savethenation)
20 hours 57 min ago
Lyndon LaRouche has laid out the clear and precise marching orders to save the nation. Absolutely nothing short of the immediate implementation of the three-tiered solution of Glass-Steagall, National Banking and NAWAPA XXI, as an inseparable whole, will do.
Ron Paul made the news tonight! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ron-paul-audit-fed-bill-passes-house-185936757.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ron-paul-audit-fed-bill-passes-house-185936757.html)
This article says 90% chance of greece leaving the euro in 2-3 quarters. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/greek-exit-2013-now-90-083134163.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/greek-exit-2013-now-90-083134163.html) Im not too surprised.triffid
"We now believe the probability that Greece will leave EMU in the next 12-18 months is about 90 percent, up from our previous 50-75 percent estimate, and believe the most likely date is in the next 2-3 quarters." warned the former member of the Bank of England's monetary policy committee.
Here is something to consider.This is what one reader posted as a comment to the article on Greece leaving the Euro.
Iceland is the model to follow. Eliminate the central bank, break up the TBTF banks, fire your elected officials and have new elections. Watch your debt get erased, your GDP fall like a rock until it reaches it's market point. Then watch as it all slowly grows back - without the overhanging debt and over leverage by bankers. They really did it right, but of course, it's not received an bit of coverage by the main stream media - it doesn't fit the overall globilization plan by the banking cartel.
Candidate Dave Christie: One Policy to Save the Nation (http://larouchepac.com/node/23463)
5 min 1 sec ago
Candidate Dave Christie (WA-9) released this statement in the midst of the nationwide mobilization for the immediate implementation of LaRouche's three-tiered solution of Glass-Steagall, National Banking and NAWAPA XXI.
http://larouchepac.com/home?n=23465&l=28 (http://larouchepac.com/home?n=23465&l=28) a 30 minute presentation on the water works proposed to double the food output of the USA
and could be finished in 15-20 years from now.triffid
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on July 25, 2012, 03:23:48 PM
do you have a social security number?
Short time on this computer. Laws were passed whether I wanted them to be or not. No one really has anything to say about it. I know damn well why politicans do the things they do. I'm not going to say the source of my information, that's all. PM me if you want.
I'm on SSDI, for a personal reason I won't share with everyone. I might jump up and down verbally on you in a PM, though. I'd tell you in a snide way, but it'd be the truth.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 28, 2012, 03:20:05 PM
Short time on this computer. Laws were passed whether I wanted them to be or not. No one really has anything to say about it. I know damn well why politicans do the things they do. I'm not going to say the source of my information, that's all. PM me if you want.
I'm on SSDI, for a personal reason I won't share with everyone. I might jump up and down verbally on you in a PM, though. I'd tell you in a snide way, but it'd be the truth.
--Lee
have you ever registered to vote? have you used federal reserve notes to purchase anything? do you have a drivers license? have you ever taken government welfare? etc. etc.
On the Ground: National Week of Action (http://larouchepac.com/node/23499)
2 hours 42 min ago
Here is the overview of the first week of our two-week national mobilization, including reports on activities in Washington DC, Detroit, and Houston, to implement LaRouche's three-tiered policy to save the nation.
The US is no longer a country it is an empire. It's so called leaders are attempting to colonize the world for the special breed of people who never evolved mentally or spiritually beyond that of the rolling cold blooded intestines we call snakes. These snakes walk and talk. The snakes are the watchers. They have to watch and record events since they have no ability to imagine. They form think tanks to do their problem solving for them because they are bascially fucking stupid. They interbreed with human beings and kill off the young that don't look like snakes. They appear to have pointed ears and mishapen craniums. Pupils that don't dialate like the other boys and I am sure if you got a blood sample of one of these things the DNA chain would be a whole bunch shorter. These misfits are manipulated by pure evil because there's another idiot. Unable to even recognize he is a product of creation. There's another misconception that the creator is the end all be all power. The creator had a job to do and that was create. Upon telling the idiot Satan or Lucifer or whatever stupid creation that that was his job Lucifer with the mentallity of a two year old human being runs off and gets pissed at the new creations and spends eons breaking the new creations. Get over it be one with the evolution of consiousness. So what if you get recycled who gives a shit it is meant to be.
Hi Sparks,I know how you feel.We still have to believe in something to continue living.I do not believe the best is behind us.I believe in a shining future for mankind.I do believe we will have a big fight on our hands.We get mean when the world gets mean.Hopefully the http://larouchepac.com/ (http://larouchepac.com/) movement will make a difference.I don't know if we will impeach Obama but I know both of the two, Mitt and Obama should be knocked in the head and taken off any election ballets.The current banking system is designed to loot our physical economy.Its time to dump that system altogether.Or else we could be hearing a lot more of (I regret I have only one live to give for my country).triffid
Considering your posted Reply #2895,
I like a lot of what you say in that post. Sometimes I feel like Job in the book of Job. Eventually, the slate gets wiped clean by whoever has the power to clean it. Never fails. If there's anything in the universe, there's change.
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/easy-street/day-after-greek-relief-euro-mockery (http://www.marketplace.org/topics/world/easy-street/day-after-greek-relief-euro-mockery)
I don't think they can avoid more and a helluva lot of financial you-know-what hitting the fan. :P :-\ :'(
It doesn't matter what they do, they're prolonging the inevitable.
--Lee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=EbucAwOT2Sc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=EbucAwOT2Sc) unlimited energy production thru thorium (a nuclear energy)
technology.triffid
Help propagate LFTR, the Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor! Thorium is readily available & can be turned into energy without generating transuranic wastes. Thorium's capacity as nuclear fuel was discovered during WW II, but ignored because it was unsuitable for making bombs. A liquid-fluoride thorium reactor (LFTR) is the optimal approach for harvesting energy from Thorium, and has the potential to solve today's energy/climate crisis. LFTR is a type of Thorium Molten Salt Reactor (Th-MSR). This video summarizes over 6 hours worth of thorium talks given by Kirk Sorensen and other thorium technologists.
THORIUM REMIX 2011 starts with a 5 minute TL;WL summary, to hold you over until you find your Ritalin.
To learn more about the Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor visit:http://energyfromthorium.com/ (http://energyfromthorium.com/)
See http://THORIUMREMIX.com/ (http://thoriumremix.com/) for full list of multimedia source material.
Key YouTube video components:
Kirk Sorensen @ TEDxYYC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2vzotsvvkw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2vzotsvvkw)
Kirk Sorensen @ Protospace - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVSmf_qmkbg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVSmf_qmkbg)
Kirk Sorensen @ MRU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3rL08J7fDA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3rL08J7fDA)
Kirk Sorensen @ TEAC3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-uxvSVIGtU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-uxvSVIGtU)
Kirk Sorensen @ Dr. Kiki Science Hour #84 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEpnpyd-jbw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEpnpyd-jbw)
After Fukushima: The Fear Factor - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVQ0NvEcyqw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVQ0NvEcyqw)
Robert Hargraves @ TEAC3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOoBTufkEog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOoBTufkEog)
Alexander Cannara @ TEAC3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUVq81kBKyk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUVq81kBKyk)
James Kennedy @ TEAC3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrDeB86YpV4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrDeB86YpV4)
Q: What is thorium and what makes it special?
A: Thorium is a naturally-occuring mineral that holds large amounts of releasable nuclear energy, similar to uranium. This nuclear energy can be released in a special nuclear reactor designed to use thorium. Thorium is special because it is easier to extract this energy completely than uranium due to some of the chemical and nuclear properties of thorium.
Q: What is a liquid-fluoride reactor?
A: A liquid-fluoride nuclear reactor is different than conventional nuclear reactors that use solid fuel elements. A liquid-fluoride reactor uses a solution of several fluoride salts, typically lithium fluoride, beryllium fluoride, and uranium tetrafluoride, as its basic nuclear fuel. The fluoride salts have a number of advantages over solid fuels. They are impervious to radiation damage, they can be chemically processed in the form that they are in, and they have a high capacity to hold thermal energy (heat). Additional nuclear fuel can be added or withdrawn from the salt solution during normal operation.
Q: Are the salts safe?
A: Very safe. Unlike other coolants considered for high-performance reactors (like liquid sodium) the salts will not react dangerously with air or water. This is because they are already in their most stable chemical form. Their properties do not change even under intense radiation, unlike all solid forms of nuclear fuel.
Q: What is nuclear waste and how does a liquid-fluoride reactor address this issue?
A: So-called "nuclear waste" or spent-nuclear fuel is produced in conventional (solid-core) nuclear reactors because they are unable to extract all of the nuclear energy from their fuel before they have to shutdown. LFTR addresses this issue by using a form of nuclear fuel (liquid-fluoride salts of thorium) that allow complete extraction of nuclear energy from the fuel.Category:Science & Technology (http://www.youtube.com/science)Tags:YouTube editor (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=YouTube+editor&search=tag)License:Standard YouTube License
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It looks like Thorium was a path not taken,mostly because they could not make bombs using it. http://energyfromthorium.com/ (http://energyfromthorium.com/)
Maybe time to look again?China is building 50 nuclear plants using thorium.In about 30 years they will be completed.triffid
The future of business http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceEog1XS5OI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceEog1XS5OI) triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 31, 2012, 09:26:29 PM
The future of business http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceEog1XS5OI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceEog1XS5OI) triffid
triffid and all others... did anyone know of this? I just saw it:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/02/us/california-city-bankruptcy/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1
As Calif. goes, the whole country should follow...
--Lee
The weekly report from http://larouchepac.com/home?n=23533&l=28 (http://larouchepac.com/home?n=23533&l=28)
Big M, I believe that more cities will be bankrupt as a result of the Libor rate fixing.Libor was mentioned in the news today.So our media is starting to talk about it.triffid
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/analysis-banks-face-valuation-losses-210154273.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/analysis-banks-face-valuation-losses-210154273.html)
The plan for war http://larouchepac.com/node/23558 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23558) triffid
Big M ,here is a bigger list of some cities that have gone bankrupt in the past few years. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-s--municipalities-that-went-bankrupt.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-s--municipalities-that-went-bankrupt.html) triffid
I'm sure more will follow due to Liborgate.
Quote from: triffid on August 05, 2012, 08:29:41 PM
Big M ,here is a bigger list of some cities that have gone bankrupt in the past few years. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-s--municipalities-that-went-bankrupt.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-s--municipalities-that-went-bankrupt.html) triffid
I'm sure more will follow due to Liborgate.
triffid,
There's an article in The New York Times that's antitled,
"Fear of Fiscal Cliff Has Investors Pulling Back."(This computer is blocked from copying and pasting to the browser's address line, so simply GOOGLize it on the 'Web.)
Analysts indicate that by Sept., the financial markets will begin reacting to this devlopment. It's....Downhill....From....There.
--Lee
http://www.themoneymasters.com/monetary-reform-act/ (http://www.themoneymasters.com/monetary-reform-act/) What ever happened to this bill? The people at this website endorse a gold standard which is just bullshit because who has all the Gold roosevelt ripped off the american people. It's not in fort knox that's for sure. Fuck gold and silver and anything else these people can deem precious and lets get down to the real deal. My grandaughter's artwork is more precious than any frigging metal object. Maybe we should have young people draw our bills for us.
Great! This is really interesting, I didn’t know it! Keep it going!
If we endorse a return to the gold standard then it makes money harder to get and just increases the wealth of the money changers (because they already have most of the gold and silver).What we have right now is paper(bonds) backing paper(money).Its going to hyperinflate because of the central banks printing too much of it!If you do not have enough money in circulation then you have a great depression just like the 1930s when the fed restricted the amount of money in circulation.Read www.xat.org to get a better understanding of the history of money in the USA and the world in general.triffid
Free college! http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ways-to-attend-college-for-free.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ways-to-attend-college-for-free.html) never a bad deal here!
Seniors can also go back to school for cheap too!Just find the right school for you!
Some great free software here!I use Avast.com to protect my computer and it works just great!
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/get-it-for-free-.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/get-it-for-free-.html)
triffid
www.Cx.com gives you 10 gigs of free memory storage for just signing up!triffid
Did you know that the FERDALES allow the US to coin our population. Maybe we should be stockpiling dollar coins. I would love our exnation/empire to start paying the bankster fedrales off with quarters and pennies. Ups your mortgage holder monthly payments of US treasury issued money. Pay income taxes with loads of metal coins. I don't think we will find any us issued paper money that Kennedy got killed over. Might find a couple of 2 dollar bills still circulating down at the strip clubs though. Cash your paycheck and ask for coins and see how long it takes for the goons with the SEMIAUTOMATIC weapons to come out of the woodwork and put you in an ambulance headed for the mentally ill prison system.
http://larouchepac.com/node/23584 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23584) this weeks larouch report.Talks about defending the earth using Mars as a base (against asteroids).
triffid
Food prices going up! http://news.yahoo.com/drought-food-prices-fan-fears-crisis-212010911.html (http://news.yahoo.com/drought-food-prices-fan-fears-crisis-212010911.html) triffid
Pay your traffic fine in pennies and you make the news! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1293988/posts (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1293988/posts)
SALT LAKE CITY - A Manti man has a penny for Sanpete County's thoughts. About 8,200 of them, actually.
Grant Petersen withdrew that many copper coins from his bank and delivered them in a bucket to pay an $82 fine he got for driving with a burnt-out headlight.
Court officials are apparently not amused, and have asked Petersen to come back in and offer a more "acceptable" form of payment. They say state policy allows clerks to reject unusual forms of payment, and it's going to waste county resources for someone to count all that change.
Petersen says he doesn't plan on honoring that request. He says money is money, and U.S. law provides that coins are legal tender.
http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Massive-wealth-destruction-economy/2012/07/24/id/446424?PROMO_CODE=F8E7-1 (http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Massive-wealth-destruction-economy/2012/07/24/id/446424?PROMO_CODE=F8E7-1)
More bad news on the way!triffid
Equally critical of the current government and our nation’s economy is real estate mogul and entrepreneur Donald Trump, who is warning that the United States could soon become a large-scale Spain or Greece, teetering on the edge of financial ruin.[/size]Trump doesn’t hesitate to point out America’s unhealthy dependence on China. “When you’re not rich, you have to go out and borrow money. We’re borrowing from the Chinese and others.â€It is this massive debt that worries Trump the most. “We are going up to $16 trillion [in debt] very soon, and it’s going to be a lot higher than that before he gets finished,†Trump says, referring to President Barack Obama. “When you have [debt] in the $21-$22 trillion [range], you are talking about a [credit] downgrade no matter how you cut it.â€In a recent appearance, Trump went to so far as to say the dollar is “going to hell.â€Where Trump, Faber, and Schiff see rising debt, a falling dollar, and a plunging stock market, investment adviser and author Robert Wiedemer sees much more widespread economic destruction.In a recent interview to talk about his New York Times best-seller Aftershock, Wiedemer says, “The data is clear, 50 percent unemployment, a 90 percent stock market drop, and 100 percent annual inflation… starting in 2013.â€
Read more: Economist Caution: Prepare For 'Massive Wealth Destruction' (http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Massive-wealth-destruction-economy/2012/07/24/id/446424?PROMO_CODE=F8E7-1#ixzz23LHpUIB0)
http://larouchepac.com/home?n=23615&l=28 (http://larouchepac.com/home?n=23615&l=28)
The Curiosity of Man (http://larouchepac.com/node/23615)
3 hours 8 min ago
The recent, successful landing of the Mars Rover, Curiosity, on the surface of Mars, spells doom for the likes of President Obama, and anyone else who promotes an anti-science, anti-human policy.
(B. S.)!!! President Obama is against the science? It's out of context. Or you just dropped yourself from another planet... and don't know reality. I know LaRouche and I admire him, but I don't agree with this statement.
People were wanting to impeach Obama two years ago!I think mostly from his lack of vision for the space program.Certainly we need to reexamine http://energyfromthorium.com/ (http://energyfromthorium.com/).When I think we could have unlimited power from this one source!Now Liborgate is here to bite us on the be hinds and Obama is involved there!And how did you get to be a senior member with only 351 posts?triffid
Google "Obama on science" and see some truth.
Quote from: triffid on August 12, 2012, 02:36:14 PM
And how did you get to be a senior member with only 351 posts?triffid
I'm not over-talkative. I avoid talking on topic I'm not familiar with.
Ok on Monday, today, he was positive about science" http://www.pcworld.com/article/260795/obama_pledges_to_protect_science_tech_funding_after_nasa_mars_success.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/260795/obama_pledges_to_protect_science_tech_funding_after_nasa_mars_success.html)
Was he always so?triffid
www.sciencedebate.org (http://www.sciencedebate.org) might provide some answers on what the candidates know about science?triffid
Be sure to read the readers posts on these articles.
More to the point. http://larouchepac.com/node/23619 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23619)
Mars Exploration: Obama's Plans of Sabotage Must be Stopped
August 12, 2012 • 10:15PM
But the Obama Administration cancelled U.S. participation in the joint project with Europe, to land, rove, and collect samples on Mars. The soil and rock samples would be cached on the spacecraft, waiting for a future vehicle to retrieve them and return them to Earth. In the proposed FY13 budget, not only participation in Europe's ExoMars was endedâ€"Mars exploration funding was emasculated, being cut by 40%. To placate furious Mars scientists and an almost equally furious Congress, the White House set up a planning group, just days after the budget was released, to try to find "cheaper" missions to Mars. There can be no more "flagship" missions, in the $1+ billion range, in this "cheaper" world. A Mars sample return mission is off the table. As Steve Squyres said in reaction to this approach, you cannot answer big questions with small missions.
But now, the situation has changed. Does the American public believe that counting pennies should determine what discoveries we make in science? Curiosity has not even started its scientific mission yet, but it has rekindled a spark of optimism about the future.
Quote from: triffid on August 12, 2012, 10:28:53 AM
http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Massive-wealth-destruction-economy/2012/07/24/id/446424?PROMO_CODE=F8E7-1 (http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Massive-wealth-destruction-economy/2012/07/24/id/446424?PROMO_CODE=F8E7-1)
More bad news on the way!triffid
Equally critical of the current government and our nation’s economy is real estate mogul and entrepreneur Donald Trump, who is warning that the United States could soon become a large-scale Spain or Greece, teetering on the edge of financial ruin.[/size]Trump doesn’t hesitate to point out America’s unhealthy dependence on China. “When you’re not rich, you have to go out and borrow money. We’re borrowing from the Chinese and others.â€It is this massive debt that worries Trump the most. “We are going up to $16 trillion [in debt] very soon, and it’s going to be a lot higher than that before he gets finished,†Trump says, referring to President Barack Obama. “When you have [debt] in the $21-$22 trillion [range], you are talking about a [credit] downgrade no matter how you cut it.â€In a recent appearance, Trump went to so far as to say the dollar is “going to hell.â€Where Trump, Faber, and Schiff see rising debt, a falling dollar, and a plunging stock market, investment adviser and author Robert Wiedemer sees much more widespread economic destruction.In a recent interview to talk about his New York Times best-seller Aftershock, Wiedemer says, “The data is clear, 50 percent unemployment, a 90 percent stock market drop, and 100 percent annual inflation… starting in 2013.â€
Read more: Economist Caution: Prepare For 'Massive Wealth Destruction' (http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Massive-wealth-destruction-economy/2012/07/24/id/446424?PROMO_CODE=F8E7-1#ixzz23LHpUIB0)
A default on chineese gamblers is the least of our concerns. Very high on Obama's priorities. Who do the Chineese owe for their industrial revolution? I suggest and it is only a suggestion because I haven't done the research that it's the same old industrialists that industrialized Norh America. I wish the Europeans would have put more money into condoms and less into cannons this way they wouldn't have made their overpopulation problem the whole worlds.
I think overpopulation is used too much as an excuse by those in power to dream of a world with less people.With less people more big cats other than lions and tigers would breed and become more numerous.When I visited Arizona back in 1982 I got the shock of my life at the old Tucson zoo where 19 types of big cats were in cages.19 types of big cats I knew nothing about!If we were to use thorium reactors we could generate all the electric power we would ever need and if we would commence with the water works program that Larouch is calling for then we could grow twice the food we do now in the USA.Africa could feed the world by itself if it were allowed to.This planet could support 20 billion people.All too often we are told that less people would go hungry if we had smaller numbers.But even at a population level of just 500,000 some people would go hungry.Because someone in power would see to it that they go hungry.Hunger has always been about power.triffid
This was in the news today.She just wanted his attention! http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/woman-admits-poisoning-boyfriend-visine-drops-150328306--abc-news-topstories.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/woman-admits-poisoning-boyfriend-visine-drops-150328306--abc-news-topstories.html) People are crazy!triffid
I suggested recently to google "Obama on science". There is something even more funny: google "Bush on science"...
The planet could easily support alot of people but this would have to involve a paradigm shift from collectiveness to consiousness. I postulate that the power mongers are kinda stuck in evolution. They don't have access to anything to do with imagination. They can not imagine a world in cooperation. They are not to be hated they should be extended the compassion that only those of higher consiousness are able of. Imagine for a moment not being able to discern honesty in anybody. Unable to imagine pain and suffering. Unable to find comfort anywhere because you need to be on the guard all the time from someone killing you for your power. A continual quest for security. Total lack of emotions. Never happy never satisfied never at peace. Your whole life a series of responses to animal instincts. Absolutely no control over any part of your life. Bouncing from one event to the other always on the hunt. What's in it for me. Total isolation from others. This women says it better than I could ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAK5Ids7l5g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAK5Ids7l5g) and the creators of this poetry really awake.
I had only found out about this over the weekend.
In Obama's health care bill, by march 2013 the law says that all americans will have to get an rfid chip implant(in the right hand). The chip will contain medical records, banking records and personal info. Also the new chip supposedly will contain gps tracking.
All this time, I did not know this was in the bill. Hr-3962
Here is a page of YT vids when you search "obamacare rfid"
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obamacare+rfid+&oq=obamacare+rfid+&gs_l=youtube.3..0l7.3881.32389.0.33539.27.21.6.0.0.0.242.3232.3j15j3.21.0...0.0...1ac.lpo-cKHugBQ (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obamacare+rfid+&oq=obamacare+rfid+&gs_l=youtube.3..0l7.3881.32389.0.33539.27.21.6.0.0.0.242.3232.3j15j3.21.0...0.0...1ac.lpo-cKHugBQ)
Not to say that 'this' chip is the mark of the beast, yet. But it sure does have the similarities.
From what I found out this weekend, if you refuse the chip, off to Fema camps you go.
If I remember correctly there are 3600 fema camps just put together in recent years and months. DHS, Darpa, Home Land Security, and even Social Security, have been ordering 'billions of hollow tip rounds. "BILLIONS" Just in recent months. For what? For us?
Another country would be nuts to attack us in a ground game. There are too many households with guns, unlike other countries. So why all the ammo? Social Security needs ammo? For what? :o Something is coming to a head.
We have only 7 months till this is implemented.
In germany, someone tried to patent an rfid chip that can release deadly poison if the chip receives the transmission to do so. But the German gov would not grant it. So the idea is out there. Will it be in the chips we receive?
We need to vote this year for the one who said he will repeal Obamacare, Romney. I also like Ryan as VP. All this Hope and Change, well, I Hope for a change from what we have right now.
Check it out for yourselves. The chip idea has been around before the personal computer(Hal Lindsay), and now it is here. In the right hand, just like the Bibles says.
And if we dont accept it, we cannot work or buy food, just like the Bible says.
It says in the right hand or in the forehead, maybe the forehead comes later, as it might be easier to dig it out of the hand than inside your head.
If it has gps tracking, where does the power come from to do so? Or would it be local tracking, like when you walk down the street, there are rfid sensor devices installed all over the place.
Im digging into this as to find ways to identify if it is a 'mark' as told in the Bible. The bible gives clues as to how we could recognize it. It should be a number. ;]
Hopefully this all is not the case, for all of us, and the children. God Bless.
If it is, then we are in the end times.
MaGs
Quote from: Magluvin on August 19, 2012, 01:49:04 PM
I had only found out about this over the weekend.
In Obama's health care bill, by march 2013 the law says that all americans will have to get an rfid chip implant(in the right hand). The chip will contain medical records, banking records and personal info. Also the new chip supposedly will contain gps tracking.
All this time, I did not know this was in the bill. Hr-3962
Here is a page of YT vids when you search "obamacare rfid"
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obamacare+rfid+&oq=obamacare+rfid+&gs_l=youtube.3..0l7.3881.32389.0.33539.27.21.6.0.0.0.242.3232.3j15j3.21.0...0.0...1ac.lpo-cKHugBQ (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=obamacare+rfid+&oq=obamacare+rfid+&gs_l=youtube.3..0l7.3881.32389.0.33539.27.21.6.0.0.0.242.3232.3j15j3.21.0...0.0...1ac.lpo-cKHugBQ)
Not to say that 'this' chip is the mark of the beast, yet. But it sure does have the similarities.
From what I found out this weekend, if you refuse the chip, off to Fema camps you go.
If I remember correctly there are 3600 fema camps just put together in recent years and months. DHS, Darpa, Home Land Security, and even Social Security, have been ordering 'billions of hollow tip rounds. "BILLIONS" Just in recent months. For what? For us?
Another country would be nuts to attack us in a ground game. There are too many households with guns, unlike other countries. So why all the ammo? Social Security needs ammo? For what? :o Something is coming to a head.
We have only 7 months till this is implemented.
In germany, someone tried to patent an rfid chip that can release deadly poison if the chip receives the transmission to do so. But the German gov would not grant it. So the idea is out there. Will it be in the chips we receive?
We need to vote this year for the one who said he will repeal Obamacare, Romney. I also like Ryan as VP. All this Hope and Change, well, I Hope for a change from what we have right now.
Check it out for yourselves. The chip idea has been around before the personal computer(Hal Lindsay), and now it is here. In the right hand, just like the Bibles says.
And if we dont accept it, we cannot work or buy food, just like the Bible says.
It says in the right hand or in the forehead, maybe the forehead comes later, as it might be easier to dig it out of the hand than inside your head.
If it has gps tracking, where does the power come from to do so? Or would it be local tracking, like when you walk down the street, there are rfid sensor devices installed all over the place.
Im digging into this as to find ways to identify if it is a 'mark' as told in the Bible. The bible gives clues as to how we could recognize it. It should be a number. ;]
Hopefully this all is not the case, for all of us, and the children. God Bless.
If it is, then we are in the end times.
MaGs
I believe we are in the end times now, we are seeing and experiencing prophesies told by the holy bible many years before us, no man or goverment can stop this, its happening in front of our eyes, so what will it be? Accept the mark of the beast? And suffer under the pits of hell, or follow the path of JESUS and have eternal life in heaven.....
Quote from: crazycut06 on August 19, 2012, 03:36:38 PM
I believe we are in the end times now, we are seeing and experiencing prophesies told by the holy bible many years before us, no man or goverment can stop this, its happening in front of our eyes, so what will it be? Accept the mark of the beast? And suffer under the pits of hell, or follow the path of JESUS and have eternal life in heaven.....
I agree. But some may have no idea.
I didnt think things were going to happen so fast.. The Bible says that when the jews get Isreal back 1948? that this will be the last generation. Well we are in that time frame.
When it comes down to it, I have to say no to the rfid, and off to the camp I go, for... What, extermination? So be it.
MaGs
Quote from: Magluvin on August 19, 2012, 04:36:32 PM
I agree. But some may have no idea.
I didnt think things were going to happen so fast.. The Bible says that when the jews get Isreal back 1948? that this will be the last generation. Well we are in that time frame.
When it comes down to it, I have to say no to the rfid, and off to the camp I go, for... What, extermination? So be it.
MaGs
So we need to hurry building FE devices, so that when we camp out we will enjoy having hot pizzas and cold drinks! Lol! ;D
I know that the fema prison camp targets have been a moving target,first in the early 1980s it was 20 million blacks,then in 2010 it was ron paul supporters,terrorists,mostly whites,now its anyone who will not accept a chip in their right hand?Back in the 1970s I heard of people who had a chip on their shoulder.Im with everyone here who will not accept a chip in their body anywhere.Ill see you in fema prison.And we'll be good friends even into the next life.I have been busy cleaning out a house.I found a loaded shotgun shell so Im increasing my ammo supply one shell at a time.No gun yet!triffid
Now that everyone here knows I'll go to prison for not accepting a chip.I am still interested in the Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBdR-1UjCHA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBdR-1UjCHA) says that the chip implantation is a myth.Its only 5.5 minutes long.So everyone here can take a look and decide for themselves.I'm still worried about those hollow points.triffid
Ron Paul's thoughts on the national ID card.He opposes it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1zh5roPmXI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1zh5roPmXI&feature=related) triffid
May I rant here a bit ?
Guy's believe me I'm so tired of it all. I'm just searching for an exit from this crazy society with all it pressures and laws. People get ill in this society. You have no option: You must work hard to earn money, get burnout and will die before you reach an age of 60 years or the other choice is to lose your job, having nothing to eat and settle down to total social isolation. The fuel prices are getting sky high here and we find a new kind of poverty, they call it energy poverty because more and more people are not able to pay their energy bills. Imagine this, you earn 1600 Euro / month and you need to spend 300 Euro just to get to your workplace. Is this crazy or what ?
Perhaps I'm just a pessimist but I have no hope that the european will surive the euro-crisis which is now happening.
One day I will just go into the forest and stay there, at least there I find some peace. So tired of it all...
:( :-\
regarding hollow points: the hague convention of 1899, declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body. i think it is interesting to note how our police love to use them on civilians... but hey, it's the government... and we can trust them... right?
regarding the end of the world: the ONLY way to salvation and eternal life is through the sauce of the flying spaghetti monster. know this ye filthy spooners... ye are all spooners because of the original spoon committed by the archangel/pirate fusilli. the original spoon can only be abrogated by the whimsy of the creator and shaper of the multiverses, ye lord and master, his noodleyness, the flying spaghetti monster. may pasta be upon thy prophets plate and may thine balls be forever meaty! r'amen!
::)
walk the plank you filthy spooners... it is the only way to save your filthy souls.
With a the proper direction and intensity the Sun which appears to be quite a bit more powerful than anything that has walkied or prowled around this 3rd rock from the Sun could takeout any scanner or bug no matter if you have it shoved up your butthole. The power supply for an rfid transmitter is the little resonant circuit. Why do you think the government is so concerned with space weather. One good blast from the Sun and poof the control grid becomes blinded by the light and their whole deck of cards bursts into flame. Pride came before the fall and still appears to be afoot. The dark ones suffer from a disease called pride. They do not suffer from any great amount of intelligence. I mean Satan offers the best he can do to a person that has openly stated his kingdom is not of this pitiful competetion for sunlight we have going on round here. Even if you don't believe the story what would you do if someone offered you control of the whole tiny weeny stupid planet in an insignificant solar system in an insignificant galaxy in an insignificant supercluster. Would you trade one moment of being loved for this fucking mess.
Wilby said: walk the plank you filthy spooners... it is the only way to save your filthy souls.
I watched a video on underwater living.Hey its the coming thing!.Fish in your own front yard!Energy from the gulf stream!Live underwater in the gulf of mexico!I agree things are just getting worst.The gulf stream could have underwater turbines producing electricity 24/7.For your little underwater city.More thur put than all the streams and rivers combined in the world!triffid
46 minutes long http://www.hulu.com/watch/376380 (http://www.hulu.com/watch/376380)
I liked the meaty balls comment too!
This is something I found and liked and wanted to put it here.The article was warning that gold ,silver,and copper prices are going down. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/gold-silver-copper-heading-lower-elliott-wave-analyst-133319257.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/gold-silver-copper-heading-lower-elliott-wave-analyst-133319257.html)
This post was made by a reader in response to their cries" the sky is falling",Sell your gold and silver now!
Yahoo news and the majority of the news they show are all BS. Metals have taken off too quickly for these idiots so they are using their media wing to scare people into selling so they can buy more. QE3 around the corner, home prices recovering = inflation. Fed is printing money and debasing the currency and there is no way prices are going to not continue to rise. Silver is going to $200 in the next 5-10 years, Gold to 3000 - 5000. Not because there is demand for them, or less supply. Because the $$$$$$$ are losing value. In the 1940's you could buy a candy bar with a dime and that dime was worth.10 in silver. Today that exact silver dime is worth $2. How much are candy bars? $2. So basically, you would have held the value of that silver dime because you own silver. The Federal reserve has stripped your rights to maintain the value of your hard work and they are slowly robbing you each year. Their tool aren't guns or bombs. Their tool is inflation.
"Their tool aren't guns or bombs. Their tool is inflation".
Well said!
Makes me wonder how long this game will last. Like painting up the face of a corpse.
But, when and if sh!t hits the fan, will gold, silver or copper, really save us.
Maybe it won't happen like we think, and they'll just keep printing money, forever. Ha!
Or maybe just maybe people will wake the fuckup. Throw the international bankers in housing facilities for the mentally insane where physcopaths belong and a governent based on Jefferson's declaration of independence be reconstituted and I mean reconstituted. I pledged allegiance to the Republic of the united states of america. I did not pledge allegiance to the constitution defining government privledge to rob and pillage to perpectuate human slavery-misery-genocide deemed necessary to own the world. I pray Ron Paul gets up on that podiom and endorses a libertarian candidate over the two jackals and their entourage the filthy maineffluent stream along with it's mindless zombie followers who are proposing to lead us into extermination. Ancient people once asked the creator for his name. He responded I AM WHO I AM. There is absolutely no arguement with this basic TRUTH.
The Creator's reply was: "I AM THE I AM".
But, as we were not there to hear it, who knows...
This year may prove to be the ending of this darkness and oppression, and the start of something different. We'll see... but, this may all be up to us.
Nothing is written in stone, or is it?
Mayan Calender: Dec. 2012 We, are almost there...
I got some flex seal(rubber in a can).To repair leaky roofs and basements.And pipes and gutters.Maybe it will make a difference for me if I have it in my tool kit when the S***t hits the fan? $14.00 at walmart.triffid
http://larouchepac.com/home?n=23704&l=28 (http://larouchepac.com/home?n=23704&l=28) Here Larouch is looking at whats beyond the solar system.Its stuff I have never heard of before.Like how the suns magnetic field might push away cosmic rays away so that we get only 10 percent of whats really out beyond the suns magnetic field.triffid
triffid,
Did you see this?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/texas-judge-warning/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/23/us/texas-judge-warning/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
More fuel on the fire...
--Lee
WOW!Go texas!Just what Larouche has been saying! Get Obama out!But get him out now!Another reason there might be civil war is that the middle class is broke! http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/middle-class-broke-pew-study-reveals-real-problem-155018682.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/middle-class-broke-pew-study-reveals-real-problem-155018682.html)
Record profits for the corporations and no real increase in wages for 60 years.The top 10% account for only 30% of the spending in the economy.So DUH,Not enough cash in circulation.triffid
http://larouchepac.com/node/23703 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23703) will we get Obama out in time to avoid thermonuclear war with Russia and China? triffid
If anyone in the forum is one of the rare individuals who really want to know how things really work and, in this case, learn the ultimate root of our economic problems, please watch this important video and spread the word.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936)
Russia and China got their nuclear weapon arsenal long time before Obama got this office. How then anyone can imagine that Romney's or even Larouche's politics is going to be better over Obama's in this matter? The video does not explain this. It only say that whatever Obama does, that's wrong!
Our problem folks, and it is a world wide problem, is the central banksters. They have tricked us into believing in fiat currency and that it has value. All fiat currencies throughout history have failed, every single one of them. Some fiats have failed faster than others, but fiats always go to their true value.... ZERO. The Federal Reserve Bank in the USA is not in any way a government agency, it is a privately owned bank. It is the 3rd private bank that has had a grip on the USA. This private bank, the FRB owns our government, they are in complete control of the USA.
Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws. â€" Mayer Amsched Rothchild, a prominent European banker... indeed.
If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied. â€" Thomas Jefferson
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominate men. I have unwittingly betrayed my country. â€" President Woodrow Wilson, 1916
The economic mess we find ourselves in today is no accident, it is by design. One way of protecting what wealth you may have is to get your money out of the banks and have it in your own hands. Your money is not safe in the bank. Another way is to buy gold and/or silver as these two metals are the only REAL money, they have been for over 5 thousands years.
When you see the price of goods going up in the stores, realize that.... it's not the value of the items going up, but the value of your dollar going down. Having gold and silver have been a good thing for people whenever there has been a crash of their fiat currency. Let's take a quick look at the Wiemar Republic, Germany January 1919 to November 1923.
Jan. 1919
Silver 12 Marks
Gold 170 Marks
Nov. 30, 1923
Silver 543,750,000,000 Marks
Gold 87,000,000,000,000 Marks
That's called Hyperinflation Folks, and we are heading there at free fall speeds.
It wasn't a pot of fiat at the end of the rainbow... now was it.
A pot of fiat,Now I really like that expression!I wish I had said that!Here is something too I wish I had said to you guys!
I have to agree with you, Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes. I, too, came from a financially illiterate, immigrant family, and though we were financially illiterate, my parents always said, when you get your pay check, put aside 10% for church and 10% for you (savings). So, growing up, I always knew that 20% of my income would be accounted for. So, though I didn't know about fancy ways to invest or to acquire property, I sure knew how to save, and I remember when I was in graduate school (between 2004 - 2006), friends would admonish me to stop sitting on all that savings and use it as a down-payment on a home, but I just did not feel comfortable with that because I saw all these condos flying up and people putting their life savings and borrowing against their 401K's to get in on the boom. The hysteria troubled me terribly, so I just decided to keep the money in the bank, and boy, I'm glad I did. Though I am still a renter, if times get hard in my local economy, and I have to leave to find work elsewhere, I have my savings I can use to move or to fall back on while I look for work.
Sometimes risk-taking is overrated.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/08/how-young-homeowners-lost-out-by-buying/261612/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/08/how-young-homeowners-lost-out-by-buying/261612/)
Like I said,I wish I could say it to all you guys out there,HOW TO SAVE!.At least I could post it here after cutting it out of somewhere else.
I did learn to save 10 percent for myself back in the 1990s and it totally made the difference in my life.After a few years of saving and investing I was able to buy most any car I ever wanted.I still drove chevys and fords.triffid
Immigrants who arrived in this country poor and unable to speak a word of english.Who became wealthy in this country after a few years could teach the rest of us how to do the same.For instance one family I read about lived in the back of their store for three years so they could pay off their business first,then rent a place to live.Only after the business they had bought was totally paid for did they even think about spending money on a place to live.Another example I read about was where one family saved 90% of their money(not just 10%) to achieve their goals.triffid
Buy gold and silver coins and hide them to protect yourself against hyperinflation.Whatever you buy can be stolen from you.Legally or illegally.I usually breakfast with an ex-bank robber.He did 27 years for his crimes so he is not wanted anymore.It is interesting to hear his viewpoint on things.triffid
Once again ,not me but wish I had said it:
I purchased my first home in 2007 at the age of 25. I made great money and could easily afford my house. I was raised to believe that renting was a waste of money and that homeownership was the responsible thing to do. I saw myself as a responsible person and thought I'd done the same due diligence (the economist, personal finance research,etc.) as the commentor. I'd even come to the same conclusion; housing prices are way too high and will fall.
My first mistake was, I didnt trust myself but rather trusted my elders. They hadnt steered me wrong before. With their guidance, I became the first in man in my family to graduate from college, with an Electrical Engineering degree no less. By 22, I was making more than than my parents combined and made far more that the median household income. I thought, may be I was wrong. Everyone says that housing is a great "investment". I was the definition of naive (some may say stupid). Unfortunately we all werent blessed with a financially savvy family, people like myself have learn from our own mistakes.
My second mistake was that I grossly underestimated the magnitude of the collapse and the fallout from said collapse. I knew housing prices may stagnate or fall 5 or 10 percent but they would come back after a while. (I lost nearly 100k in equity and prices stayed down). I could rent it out in the mean time. (renting, even with a manager is HUGE headache and financial liability for most people. Its a tremendous drain on resources and time which otherwise could be put to more efficient uses) A national collapse in housing was unprecedented since the great depression (lol). Clearly I and millions of others were wrong but to piss on our financial grave is heartless and cruel. I've spent many sleepless nights beating myself up already.
I would like to encourage those like myself who werent as wise as the commentor. Your life is not over, making a bad choice doesnt mean you are stupid. Stay persistant dont allow this circumstance to destroy your aspirations. Ignore the self-righteous among us, learn from your mistake but dont beat yourself up. Stay focused and you WILL get through this.
I've taken my own advice and now I'm starting my second year of grad school at Harvard after which I will return to job making over 100k a year. Without ever missing a payment on the worst decision I've ever made in my life.
Don't beat yourself up over it!Move on!Get Ahead!triffid
http://larouchepac.com/home?n=23750&l=28 (http://larouchepac.com/home?n=23750&l=28) Once again Larouch is calling for the removal of Obama.triffid
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In the three years since Lyndon LaRouche's April 11, 2009 public warning that Barack Obama is a pathological narcissist in the image of Emperor Nero, the President has done everything in his power to prove that LaRouche was absolutely right.
And guess why the President has done that? Coz the President does not know what (or who) LaRouche is...
The story of the moon flights. http://www.hulu.com/watch/165094 (http://www.hulu.com/watch/165094) " For All Mankind" (1989).triffid
A record of some of our finest moments.
Triffid, when I was 19 doing my apprenticeship one of the Journeymen who didn't do much talking at all asked me a question one morning before work. He asked me "how much money do you make?". I thought he was joking with me as I knew he knew what I earned. Then he went on to tell me how my paycheck should work. He said "You always pay yourself first, everyone else comes second." I followed his advice for 30 years. I would write a check to myself first, and then pay the bills. If I came up short, the bills had to wait. It worked out very well for me and after a time I learned what money really is and what it is not. That's when I started buying precious metals and I never looked back.
Denmason,I learned to save 10 percent when I was 35 yo(now 60).A.L. Williams(an insurance guy) wrote a small red booklet on how to save 10 percent,invest it,pretend its not there.I bought 20 copies of that booklet for a dollar apiece.I gave a copy to each of my three brothers.They all heeded the advice in that booklet.As a result they all ended up with more in life than they would have.What the booklet did not tell me was how to keep it.If you bought precious metals with your 10 percent you ended up very well.I could have bought coins but I preferred to find them with a metal detector.Also I did gold panning in oklahoma along the arkansas river.I also had thieves around me for many years.Back in the 1970s,1980s and 1990s people threw out a lot of gold in the trash so I could have saved 50 55 gallon drums of the stuff if I had had the foresight to do so.At .4 grams of gold per lb of the stuff and about 48 dollars per gram that would be about 20 dollars per lb.So 600 lbs x 50 barrels =30,000 lbs. So 30,000 lbs x.4g/lb =12000grams. And 12000grams x 20 dollars would bring you 240,000 in gold today.I ended up doing real estate instead.I never made it to millionaire status.But am retired now in St.Louis,mo.I try to save at least 100.00 a month now from S.S. and invest in dividend stocks.Not a lot of money at the moment but 10-15 years down the road it will be a nice little pile.And theres still a lot of gold in those rivers!In the USA.Even in missouire along the Iowa border.triffid
When I got serious with saving it was up to 15 percent.Now its nots so much but like you said pay yourself first!I used to tell people who told me they couldn't save any money to start at 2 percent.Then try to save more later.I had learned that people resist this piece of advice.
I was told one time that that's not biblical.Save 10% for the church is biblical.But saving 10% for yourself is just not in the bible!So I ended telling people to do both!Nothing wrong with doing both!triffid
IN PRAISE OF IDLENESS by bertrand russell
Like most of my generation, I was brought up on the saying: 'Satan finds some mischief for idle hands to do.' Being a highly virtuous child, I believed all that I was told, and acquired a conscience which has kept me working hard down to the present moment. But although my conscience has controlled my actions, my opinions have undergone a revolution. I think that there is far too much work done in the world, that immense harm is caused by the belief that work is virtuous, and that what needs to be preached in modern industrial countries is quite different from what always has been preached. Everyone knows the story of the traveler in Naples who saw twelve beggars lying in the sun (it was before the days of Mussolini), and offered a lira to the laziest of them. Eleven of them jumped up to claim it, so he gave it to the twelfth. this traveler was on the right lines. But in countries which do not enjoy Mediterranean sunshine idleness is more difficult, and a great public propaganda will be required to inaugurate it. I hope that, after reading the following pages, the leaders of the YMCA will start a campaign to induce good young men to do nothing. If so, I shall not have lived in vain.
Before advancing my own arguments for laziness, I must dispose of one which I cannot accept. Whenever a person who already has enough to live on proposes to engage in some everyday kind of job, such as school-teaching or typing, he or she is told that such conduct takes the bread out of other people's mouths, and is therefore wicked. If this argument were valid, it would only be necessary for us all to be idle in order that we should all have our mouths full of bread. What people who say such things forget is that what a man earns he usually spends, and in spending he gives employment. As long as a man spends his income, he puts just as much bread into people's mouths in spending as he takes out of other people's mouths in earning. The real villain, from this point of view, is the man who saves. If he merely puts his savings in a stocking, like the proverbial French peasant, it is obvious that they do not give employment. If he invests his savings, the matter is less obvious, and different cases arise.
One of the commonest things to do with savings is to lend them to some Government. In view of the fact that the bulk of the public expenditure of most civilized Governments consists in payment for past wars or preparation for future wars, the man who lends his money to a Government is in the same position as the bad men in Shakespeare who hire murderers. The net result of the man's economical habits is to increase the armed forces of the State to which he lends his savings. Obviously it would be better if he spent the money, even if he spent it in drink or gambling.
But, I shall be told, the case is quite different when savings are invested in industrial enterprises. When such enterprises succeed, and produce something useful, this may be conceded. In these days, however, no one will deny that most enterprises fail. That means that a large amount of human labor, which might have been devoted to producing something that could be enjoyed, was expended on producing machines which, when produced, lay idle and did no good to anyone. The man who invests his savings in a concern that goes bankrupt is therefore injuring others as well as himself. If he spent his money, say, in giving parties for his friends, they (we may hope) would get pleasure, and so would all those upon whom he spent money, such as the butcher, the baker, and the bootlegger. But if he spends it (let us say) upon laying down rails for surface card in some place where surface cars turn out not to be wanted, he has diverted a mass of labor into channels where it gives pleasure to no one. Nevertheless, when he becomes poor through failure of his investment he will be regarded as a victim of undeserved misfortune, whereas the gay spendthrift, who has spent his money philanthropically, will be despised as a fool and a frivolous person.
All this is only preliminary. I want to say, in all seriousness, that a great deal of harm is being done in the modern world by belief in the virtuousness of work, and that the road to happiness and prosperity lies in an organized diminution of work.
First of all: what is work? Work is of two kinds: first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter; second, telling other people to do so. The first kind is unpleasant and ill paid; the second is pleasant and highly paid. The second kind is capable of indefinite extension: there are not only those who give orders, but those who give advice as to what orders should be given. Usually two opposite kinds of advice are given simultaneously by two organized bodies of men; this is called politics. The skill required for this kind of work is not knowledge of the subjects as to which advice is given, but knowledge of the art of persuasive speaking and writing, i.e. of advertising.
Throughout Europe, though not in America, there is a third class of men, more respected than either of the classes of workers. There are men who, through ownership of land, are able to make others pay for the privilege of being allowed to exist and to work. These landowners are idle, and I might therefore be expected to praise them. Unfortunately, their idleness is only rendered possible by the industry of others; indeed their desire for comfortable idleness is historically the source of the whole gospel of work. The last thing they have ever wished is that others should follow their example.
From the beginning of civilization until the Industrial Revolution, a man could, as a rule, produce by hard work little more than was required for the subsistence of himself and his family, although his wife worked at least as hard as he did, and his children added their labor as soon as they were old enough to do so. The small surplus above bare necessaries was not left to those who produced it, but was appropriated by warriors and priests. In times of famine there was no surplus; the warriors and priests, however, still secured as much as at other times, with the result that many of the workers died of hunger. This system persisted in Russia until 1917 [1], and still persists in the East; in England, in spite of the Industrial Revolution, it remained in full force throughout the Napoleonic wars, and until a hundred years ago, when the new class of manufacturers acquired power. In America, the system came to an end with the Revolution, except in the South, where it persisted until the Civil War. A system which lasted so long and ended so recently has naturally left a profound impress upon men's thoughts and opinions. Much that we take for granted about the desirability of work is derived from this system, and, being pre-industrial, is not adapted to the modern world. Modern technique has made it possible for leisure, within limits, to be not the prerogative of small privileged classes, but a right evenly distributed throughout the community. The morality of work is the morality of slaves, and the modern world has no need of slavery.
It is obvious that, in primitive communities, peasants, left to themselves, would not have parted with the slender surplus upon which the warriors and priests subsisted, but would have either produced less or consumed more. At first, sheer force compelled them to produce and part with the surplus. Gradually, however, it was found possible to induce many of them to accept an ethic according to which it was their duty to work hard, although part of their work went to support others in idleness. By this means the amount of compulsion required was lessened, and the expenses of government were diminished. To this day, 99 per cent of British wage-earners would be genuinely shocked if it were proposed that the King should not have a larger income than a working man. The conception of duty, speaking historically, has been a means used by the holders of power to induce others to live for the interests of their masters rather than for their own. Of course the holders of power conceal this fact from themselves by managing to believe that their interests are identical with the larger interests of humanity. Sometimes this is true; Athenian slave-owners, for instance, employed part of their leisure in making a permanent contribution to civilization which would have been impossible under a just economic system. Leisure is essential to civilization, and in former times leisure for the few was only rendered possible by the labors of the many. But their labors were valuable, not because work is good, but because leisure is good. And with modern technique it would be possible to distribute leisure justly without injury to civilization.
Modern technique has made it possible to diminish enormously the amount of labor required to secure the necessaries of life for everyone. This was made obvious during the war. At that time all the men in the armed forces, and all the men and women engaged in the production of munitions, all the men and women engaged in spying, war propaganda, or Government offices connected with the war, were withdrawn from productive occupations. In spite of this, the general level of well-being among unskilled wage-earners on the side of the Allies was higher than before or since. The significance of this fact was concealed by finance: borrowing made it appear as if the future was nourishing the present. But that, of course, would have been impossible; a man cannot eat a loaf of bread that does not yet exist. The war showed conclusively that, by the scientific organization of production, it is possible to keep modern populations in fair comfort on a small part of the working capacity of the modern world. If, at the end of the war, the scientific organization, which had been created in order to liberate men for fighting and munition work, had been preserved, and the hours of the week had been cut down to four, all would have been well. Instead of that the old chaos was restored, those whose work was demanded were made to work long hours, and the rest were left to starve as unemployed. Why? Because work is a duty, and a man should not receive wages in proportion to what he has produced, but in proportion to his virtue as exemplified by his industry.
This is the morality of the Slave State, applied in circumstances totally unlike those in which it arose. No wonder the result has been disastrous. Let us take an illustration. Suppose that, at a given moment, a certain number of people are engaged in the manufacture of pins. They make as many pins as the world needs, working (say) eight hours a day. Someone makes an invention by which the same number of men can make twice as many pins: pins are already so cheap that hardly any more will be bought at a lower price. In a sensible world, everybody concerned in the manufacturing of pins would take to working four hours instead of eight, and everything else would go on as before. But in the actual world this would be thought demoralizing. The men still work eight hours, there are too many pins, some employers go bankrupt, and half the men previously concerned in making pins are thrown out of work. There is, in the end, just as much leisure as on the other plan, but half the men are totally idle while half are still overworked. In this way, it is insured that the unavoidable leisure shall cause misery all round instead of being a universal source of happiness. Can anything more insane be imagined?
The idea that the poor should have leisure has always been shocking to the rich. In England, in the early nineteenth century, fifteen hours was the ordinary day's work for a man; children sometimes did as much, and very commonly did twelve hours a day. When meddlesome busybodies suggested that perhaps these hours were rather long, they were told that work kept adults from drink and children from mischief. When I was a child, shortly after urban working men had acquired the vote, certain public holidays were established by law, to the great indignation of the upper classes. I remember hearing an old Duchess say: 'What do the poor want with holidays? They ought to work.' People nowadays are less frank, but the sentiment persists, and is the source of much of our economic confusion.
Let us, for a moment, consider the ethics of work frankly, without superstition. Every human being, of necessity, consumes, in the course of his life, a certain amount of the produce of human labor. Assuming, as we may, that labor is on the whole disagreeable, it is unjust that a man should consume more than he produces. Of course he may provide services rather than commodities, like a medical man, for example; but he should provide something in return for his board and lodging. to this extent, the duty of work must be admitted, but to this extent only.
I shall not dwell upon the fact that, in all modern societies outside the USSR, many people escape even this minimum amount of work, namely all those who inherit money and all those who marry money. I do not think the fact that these people are allowed to be idle is nearly so harmful as the fact that wage-earners are expected to overwork or starve.
If the ordinary wage-earner worked four hours a day, there would be enough for everybody and no unemployment -- assuming a certain very moderate amount of sensible organization. This idea shocks the well-to-do, because they are convinced that the poor would not know how to use so much leisure. In America men often work long hours even when they are well off; such men, naturally, are indignant at the idea of leisure for wage-earners, except as the grim punishment of unemployment; in fact, they dislike leisure even for their sons. Oddly enough, while they wish their sons to work so hard as to have no time to be civilized, they do not mind their wives and daughters having no work at all. the snobbish admiration of uselessness, which, in an aristocratic society, extends to both sexes, is, under a plutocracy, confined to women; this, however, does not make it any more in agreement with common sense.
The wise use of leisure, it must be conceded, is a product of civilization and education. A man who has worked long hours all his life will become bored if he becomes suddenly idle. But without a considerable amount of leisure a man is cut off from many of the best things. There is no longer any reason why the bulk of the population should suffer this deprivation; only a foolish asceticism, usually vicarious, makes us continue to insist on work in excessive quantities now that the need no longer exists.
In the new creed which controls the government of Russia, while there is much that is very different from the traditional teaching of the West, there are some things that are quite unchanged. The attitude of the governing classes, and especially of those who conduct educational propaganda, on the subject of the dignity of labor, is almost exactly that which the governing classes of the world have always preached to what were called the 'honest poor'. Industry, sobriety, willingness to work long hours for distant advantages, even submissiveness to authority, all these reappear; moreover authority still represents the will of the Ruler of the Universe, Who, however, is now called by a new name, Dialectical Materialism.
The victory of the proletariat in Russia has some points in common with the victory of the feminists in some other countries. For ages, men had conceded the superior saintliness of women, and had consoled women for their inferiority by maintaining that saintliness is more desirable than power. At last the feminists decided that they would have both, since the pioneers among them believed all that the men had told them about the desirability of virtue, but not what they had told them about the worthlessness of political power. A similar thing has happened in Russia as regards manual work. For ages, the rich and their sycophants have written in praise of 'honest toil', have praised the simple life, have professed a religion which teaches that the poor are much more likely to go to heaven than the rich, and in general have tried to make manual workers believe that there is some special nobility about altering the position of matter in space, just as men tried to make women believe that they derived some special nobility from their sexual enslavement. In Russia, all this teaching about the excellence of manual work has been taken seriously, with the result that the manual worker is more honored than anyone else. What are, in essence, revivalist appeals are made, but not for the old purposes: they are made to secure shock workers for special tasks. Manual work is the ideal which is held before the young, and is the basis of all ethical teaching.
For the present, possibly, this is all to the good. A large country, full of natural resources, awaits development, and has has to be developed with very little use of credit. In these circumstances, hard work is necessary, and is likely to bring a great reward. But what will happen when the point has been reached where everybody could be comfortable without working long hours?
In the West, we have various ways of dealing with this problem. We have no attempt at economic justice, so that a large proportion of the total produce goes to a small minority of the population, many of whom do no work at all. Owing to the absence of any central control over production, we produce hosts of things that are not wanted. We keep a large percentage of the working population idle, because we can dispense with their labor by making the others overwork. When all these methods prove inadequate, we have a war: we cause a number of people to manufacture high explosives, and a number of others to explode them, as if we were children who had just discovered fireworks. By a combination of all these devices we manage, though with difficulty, to keep alive the notion that a great deal of severe manual work must be the lot of the average man.
In Russia, owing to more economic justice and central control over production, the problem will have to be differently solved. the rational solution would be, as soon as the necessaries and elementary comforts can be provided for all, to reduce the hours of labor gradually, allowing a popular vote to decide, at each stage, whether more leisure or more goods were to be preferred. But, having taught the supreme virtue of hard work, it is difficult to see how the authorities can aim at a paradise in which there will be much leisure and little work. It seems more likely that they will find continually fresh schemes, by which present leisure is to be sacrificed to future productivity. I read recently of an ingenious plan put forward by Russian engineers, for making the White Sea and the northern coasts of Siberia warm, by putting a dam across the Kara Sea. An admirable project, but liable to postpone proletarian comfort for a generation, while the nobility of toil is being displayed amid the ice-fields and snowstorms of the Arctic Ocean. This sort of thing, if it happens, will be the result of regarding the virtue of hard work as an end in itself, rather than as a means to a state of affairs in which it is no longer needed.
The fact is that moving matter about, while a certain amount of it is necessary to our existence, is emphatically not one of the ends of human life. If it were, we should have to consider every navvy superior to Shakespeare. We have been misled in this matter by two causes. One is the necessity of keeping the poor contented, which has led the rich, for thousands of years, to preach the dignity of labor, while taking care themselves to remain undignified in this respect. The other is the new pleasure in mechanism, which makes us delight in the astonishingly clever changes that we can produce on the earth's surface. Neither of these motives makes any great appeal to the actual worker. If you ask him what he thinks the best part of his life, he is not likely to say: 'I enjoy manual work because it makes me feel that I am fulfilling man's noblest task, and because I like to think how much man can transform his planet. It is true that my body demands periods of rest, which I have to fill in as best I may, but I am never so happy as when the morning comes and I can return to the toil from which my contentment springs.' I have never heard working men say this sort of thing. They consider work, as it should be considered, a necessary means to a livelihood, and it is from their leisure that they derive whatever happiness they may enjoy.
It will be said that, while a little leisure is pleasant, men would not know how to fill their days if they had only four hours of work out of the twenty-four. In so far as this is true in the modern world, it is a condemnation of our civilization; it would not have been true at any earlier period. There was formerly a capacity for light-heartedness and play which has been to some extent inhibited by the cult of efficiency. The modern man thinks that everything ought to be done for the sake of something else, and never for its own sake. Serious-minded persons, for example, are continually condemning the habit of going to the cinema, and telling us that it leads the young into crime. But all the work that goes to producing a cinema is respectable, because it is work, and because it brings a money profit. The notion that the desirable activities are those that bring a profit has made everything topsy-turvy. The butcher who provides you with meat and the baker who provides you with bread are praiseworthy, because they are making money; but when you enjoy the food they have provided, you are merely frivolous, unless you eat only to get strength for your work. Broadly speaking, it is held that getting money is good and spending money is bad. Seeing that they are two sides of one transaction, this is absurd; one might as well maintain that keys are good, but keyholes are bad. Whatever merit there may be in the production of goods must be entirely derivative from the advantage to be obtained by consuming them. The individual, in our society, works for profit; but the social purpose of his work lies in the consumption of what he produces. It is this divorce between the individual and the social purpose of production that makes it so difficult for men to think clearly in a world in which profit-making is the incentive to industry. We think too much of production, and too little of consumption. One result is that we attach too little importance to enjoyment and simple happiness, and that we do not judge production by the pleasure that it gives to the consumer.
When I suggest that working hours should be reduced to four, I am not meaning to imply that all the remaining time should necessarily be spent in pure frivolity. I mean that four hours' work a day should entitle a man to the necessities and elementary comforts of life, and that the rest of his time should be his to use as he might see fit. It is an essential part of any such social system that education should be carried further than it usually is at present, and should aim, in part, at providing tastes which would enable a man to use leisure intelligently. I am not thinking mainly of the sort of things that would be considered 'highbrow'. Peasant dances have died out except in remote rural areas, but the impulses which caused them to be cultivated must still exist in human nature. The pleasures of urban populations have become mainly passive: seeing cinemas, watching football matches, listening to the radio, and so on. This results from the fact that their active energies are fully taken up with work; if they had more leisure, they would again enjoy pleasures in which they took an active part.
In the past, there was a small leisure class and a larger working class. The leisure class enjoyed advantages for which there was no basis in social justice; this necessarily made it oppressive, limited its sympathies, and caused it to invent theories by which to justify its privileges. These facts greatly diminished its excellence, but in spite of this drawback it contributed nearly the whole of what we call civilization. It cultivated the arts and discovered the sciences; it wrote the books, invented the philosophies, and refined social relations. Even the liberation of the oppressed has usually been inaugurated from above. Without the leisure class, mankind would never have emerged from barbarism.
The method of a leisure class without duties was, however, extraordinarily wasteful. None of the members of the class had to be taught to be industrious, and the class as a whole was not exceptionally intelligent. The class might produce one Darwin, but against him had to be set tens of thousands of country gentlemen who never thought of anything more intelligent than fox-hunting and punishing poachers. At present, the universities are supposed to provide, in a more systematic way, what the leisure class provided accidentally and as a by-product. This is a great improvement, but it has certain drawbacks. University life is so different from life in the world at large that men who live in academic milieu tend to be unaware of the preoccupations and problems of ordinary men and women; moreover their ways of expressing themselves are usually such as to rob their opinions of the influence that they ought to have upon the general public. Another disadvantage is that in universities studies are organized, and the man who thinks of some original line of research is likely to be discouraged. Academic institutions, therefore, useful as they are, are not adequate guardians of the interests of civilization in a world where everyone outside their walls is too busy for unutilitarian pursuits.
In a world where no one is compelled to work more than four hours a day, every person possessed of scientific curiosity will be able to indulge it, and every painter will be able to paint without starving, however excellent his pictures may be. Young writers will not be obliged to draw attention to themselves by sensational pot-boilers, with a view to acquiring the economic independence needed for monumental works, for which, when the time at last comes, they will have lost the taste and capacity. Men who, in their professional work, have become interested in some phase of economics or government, will be able to develop their ideas without the academic detachment that makes the work of university economists often seem lacking in reality. Medical men will have the time to learn about the progress of medicine, teachers will not be exasperatedly struggling to teach by routine methods things which they learnt in their youth, which may, in the interval, have been proved to be untrue.
Above all, there will be happiness and joy of life, instead of frayed nerves, weariness, and dyspepsia. The work exacted will be enough to make leisure delightful, but not enough to produce exhaustion. Since men will not be tired in their spare time, they will not demand only such amusements as are passive and vapid. At least one per cent will probably devote the time not spent in professional work to pursuits of some public importance, and, since they will not depend upon these pursuits for their livelihood, their originality will be unhampered, and there will be no need to conform to the standards set by elderly pundits. But it is not only in these exceptional cases that the advantages of leisure will appear. Ordinary men and women, having the opportunity of a happy life, will become more kindly and less persecuting and less inclined to view others with suspicion. The taste for war will die out, partly for this reason, and partly because it will involve long and severe work for all. Good nature is, of all moral qualities, the one that the world needs most, and good nature is the result of ease and security, not of a life of arduous struggle. Modern methods of production have given us the possibility of ease and security for all; we have chosen, instead, to have overwork for some and starvation for others. Hitherto we have continued to be as energetic as we were before there were machines; in this we have been foolish, but there is no reason to go on being foolish forever.
[1] Since then, members of the Communist Party have succeeded to this privilege of the warriors and priests.
Anyone take a close look at Her inbred Majesty lately. She appears to be morphing into a man. She was really excited about the stupid olympic torch. The entire human effort going into that jock adoration is a waste. But it excited her majesty so it's all good.
If I was president of this land I'd declare total war on the slavery man. I'd seize his assets I'd jail him so he couldn't run I'd have very public investigations so everyone could join in the fun. I'd tell his Chineese bagman you loose but your play was well done now if I were you I'd increase the standard of living of your workers or prepare for their guns. I'd have televised trials for warmongers sponsored by the victims of war on all the international channels boradcasting for free instead of misinforming humans the regular shit you see today on TV. I'd sentence the guilty to lives in hell without reprieve and make sure they live a long time using all the science available to me. When they begged for death I'd ask how many did you kill in 03 if they didn't come up with the right answer more life for you from me. Upon pleading for forgiveness I would tell them it's not up to me it's up to those you stole life from and I cant attest for their feelings towards thee. If these souls comeback and ask for the foregiveness of these pieces of crap I'd give them up to the soul world with a trip through a meatgrinder gap. I'd burn their bodies and warm some soup for war refugees and use their ashes in mortar so they can live here eternally. Just in case your wondering who I'd endorse to run after me it would be the war maimed children who I am sure would forgive them before an angry man like me.
I have seen American Idle and it is not good!The new generation of Americans(the millennials) may have the worst times in recent generations of working and raising a family here in the USA.They may have the worst time of passing on to the next generation any survival skills at all.If we are dumb enough to allow a thermonuclear war because of one leader or a group of them.Then so be it!We will not reach the potential that was once ours.Even now there are a few brave souls pushing back the limits of what we can do.Instead of limiting the population we should be building waterworks here in the USA. Nuclear reactors that use thorium as a fuel.Underwater turbines that generate electricity from the gulf stream.I want us to build space elevators.At least 50 of them around the globe.Put them on the moon and mars too!We should be expanding out into the galaxy.But here we are worried about the next two or three years.Hyperinflation will trigger hunger,unrest,wiping out of the savings of the middleclass in this country.Someone recently asked me who is the middleclass.I told him if you make over $30,000 a year for one person you are middleclass.He is retired so he said he makes less than $20,000.It just so happens that so do I.Im ok I guess
as long as S.S. continues(my biggest worry).triffid
Although I do not like either Obama or Romney.Romney may not drag us into nuclear war.He will just send the rest of the money overseas.
Goodbye pensions,goodbye wealth.triffid
Just 20 average sized nuclear bombs exploded in the atmosphere could bring on a nuclear winter that would last for years.And we have how many thousands here on earth?
Quote from: triffid on August 30, 2012, 10:42:51 AM
Just 20 average sized nuclear bombs exploded in the atmosphere could bring on a nuclear winter that would last for years.And we have how many thousands here on earth?
don't be stupid... do you even have the slightest clue as to how many nukes have been detonated globally since 1945? where is the never-ending nuclear winter? ::) and exploding them in atmo doesn't really provide the debris necessary to effect a 'nuclear winter'... ;)
Quote from: triffid on August 30, 2012, 10:34:51 AM
I have seen American Idle and it is not good!
you didn't even make it past the first paragraph of that bertrand russell essay did you... ::)
you know, la rouche is a big fan of russell... ;)
Just one nuclear blast is one too many.I am not big on reading the so called other great books of the world.So I am not familiar with a lot of them like Bertrand Russell.I do recall somewhere I saw a chart of how many atomic bomb blasts there have been since 1945.All different sizes,all different yields.Last night I saw on u-tube I saw a video on the "Obama deception" and in it it talked about Obama trying to draw China and Russia into thermonuclear war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw) the obama deception
Quote from: triffid on September 01, 2012, 10:29:29 PM
Just one nuclear blast is one too many.
agreed. but saying there is going to be a nuclear winter if some detonate is asinine and nothing but fear mongering.
Quote from: triffid on September 01, 2012, 10:29:29 PM
I am not big on reading the so called other great books of the world.So I am not familiar with a lot of them like Bertrand Russell.
'other great books'? so you've read one? which one?
Quote from: triffid on September 01, 2012, 10:29:29 PM
I do recall somewhere I saw a chart of how many atomic bomb blasts there have been since 1945.All different sizes,all different yields.
a couple thousand... and yet no nuclear winter. ;) hell, i could argue nukes cause global warming. :D
Quote from: triffid on September 01, 2012, 10:29:29 PM
Last night I saw on u-tube I saw a video on the "Obama deception" and in it it talked about Obama trying to draw China and Russia into thermonuclear war.
more fear mongering...
can't expect an aristocrat to know the value of hard work
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 02, 2012, 01:12:21 PM
can't expect an aristocrat to know the value of hard work
did you have any COGENT arguments to make against bertrand russell's essay? or are you just going to engage in the logical fallacy known as ad hominem?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 02, 2012, 04:33:14 PM
did you have any COGENT arguments to make against bertrand russell's essay? or are you just going to engage in the logical fallacy known as ad hominem?
I'm sorry... my comment wasn't intended to be taken as an argument; or the reason I dismiss Bertrand's political philosophy. History demonstrates the power of free markets and the failures of central planning.
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 02, 2012, 05:19:12 PM
I'm sorry... my comment wasn't intended to be taken as an argument; or the reason I dismiss Bertrand's political philosophy. History demonstrates the power of free markets and the failures of central planning.
i'll take it as a joke then... of course aristocrats know the value of hard work. that's why they have others do it for them.
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 02, 2012, 05:49:10 PM
i'll take it as a joke then... of course aristocrats know the value of hard work. that's why they have others do it for them.
Okay, take it however you want. I expressed my objection to B's essay in my last post.
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 02, 2012, 07:08:48 PM
Okay, take it however you want. I expressed my objection to B's essay in my last post.
i did. yes, something about free (but controlled by aristocrats) markets and central planning... without anything relating it to the essay.
I had a friend who liked to quote Emerson to me a lot(???).triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 03, 2012, 12:37:18 AM
I had a friend who liked to quote Emerson to me a lot(???).triffid
you probably quoted too much la rouche to him... ???
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 02, 2012, 10:47:41 PM
i did. yes, something about free (but controlled by aristocrats) markets and central planning... without anything relating it to the essay.
You cannot see the relationship?
As far as me fear mongering too much it is always better to err on the side of safety.Afterall you can never warn people too much about looking both ways before you cross a street.Or preach too much in a LAB about LAB SAFETY.
I WOULD RATHER BE WRONG ABOUT NUCLEAR WAR THAN RIGHT.triffid
The stuff of chemtrails is reaching the ground where it has been analyzed and consists of aluminum and barium dust. Fireworks contains powdered metal. Barium is of course radioactive and it has been proven that the rate of radioactive decay can be manipulated with the introduction of non-other than radio photons. You want a big light show you need a big screen.
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 03, 2012, 09:10:11 AM
You cannot see the relationship?
can you clearly demonstrate it?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 03, 2012, 05:34:44 PM
can you clearly demonstrate it?
Sure, I can make it more clear for you. In his essay, B comes across as a
raging socialist. "The man who invests his savings in a concern that goes bankrupt is therefore injuring others as well as himself." I don't see this as true. Many things are learned from failed business. And the money that went through the business didn't exactly disappear from the market. Does B suggest individuals have less control over their investments? "If the ordinary wage-earner worked four hours a day, there would be enough for everybody and no unemployment -- assuming a certain very moderate amount of sensible organization." So, you think we should have people like B implement some sensible measures of organization... and that afterwards everyone will have food, shelter, medical, etc,. Personally, I believe such measures would destroy society. It would mean a terrible government presence in our economy and (thus) in our lives.
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 03, 2012, 06:24:36 PM
In his essay, B comes across as a raging socialist.
such gross hyperbole... ::) but you are welcome to your opinion.
"For my part, while I am as convinced a Socialist as the most ardent Marxian, I do not regard Socialism as a gospel of proletarian revenge, nor even, primarily, as a means of securing economic justice. I regard it primarily as an adjustment to machine production demanded by considerations of common sense, and calculated to increase the happiness, not only of proletarians, but of all except a tiny minority of the human race." â€" Bertrand RussellQuote from: HowardRoark on September 03, 2012, 06:24:36 PM"The man who invests his savings in a concern that goes bankrupt is therefore injuring others as well as himself." I don't see this as true. Many things are learned from failed business. And the money that went through the business didn't exactly disappear from the market. Does B suggest individuals have less control over their investments?
are you suggesting that
no one is injured when an investment goes bankrupt? ::)
did B suggest that things aren't learned from failed business? no. did B suggest that money disappeared from the market? no. did B suggest individuals have less control over their investments? no. and what in the name of the flying spaghetti monster does that any of that have to do with " 'The man who invests his savings in a concern that goes bankrupt is therefore injuring others as well as himself.' I don't see this as true."?
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 03, 2012, 06:24:36 PM"If the ordinary wage-earner worked four hours a day, there would be enough for everybody and no unemployment -- assuming a certain very moderate amount of sensible organization." So, you think we should have people like B implement some sensible measures of organization... and that afterwards everyone will have food, shelter, medical, etc,.
what kind of asinine logical fallacy is this? and why would there be needed any more 'sensible organization' than there is now?
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 03, 2012, 06:24:36 PMPersonally, I believe such measures would destroy society. It would mean a terrible government presence in our economy and (thus) in our lives.
denied. logical fallacy known as a 'false dilemma'.
It doesn't sound like B was satisfied with organization then; so why would he be now? There are still people who don't have the basic standard of living. Many overworked people out there. Many with no work at all, no? That's why I don't think B would be satisfied with our current organization. So, what measures could be taken? People need four hours of work per day to pay for minimum standards. Who provides the work? Does everyone get paid the same? Who provides the basic standards? I am lead, reasonably, to believe that measures to meet such questions would result in a large government presence. Historically, such a force has proven to be utterly destructive.
"are you suggesting that no one is injured when an investment goes bankrupt? ::)
did B suggest that things aren't learned from failed business? no. did B suggest that money disappeared from the market? no. did B suggest individuals have less control over their investments? no. and what in the name of the flying spaghetti monster does that any of that have to do with " 'The man who invests his savings in a concern that goes bankrupt is therefore injuring others as well as himself.' I don't see this as true."?"
No, I did not suggest that. That being said-- I cannot imagine a world where every business venture was successful. It is an inherent part of the market. B gives the vibe hes got organizational ideas for those aspects of human life also. So, that's where it's coming from...
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 04, 2012, 12:41:10 AM
It doesn't sound like B was satisfied with organization then; so why would he be now? There are still people who don't have the basic standard of living. Many overworked people out there. Many with no work at all, no? That's why I don't think B would be satisfied with our current organization. So, what measures could be taken? People need four hours of work per day to pay for minimum standards. Who provides the work? Does everyone get paid the same? Who provides the basic standards? I am lead, reasonably, to believe that measures to meet such questions would result in a large government presence. Historically, such a force has proven to be utterly destructive.
i didn't say he would be... you are the one making assumptions... ::)
reasonably? well... then using reason, demonstrate it. simply stating it doesn't make it so. nor does it convince me.
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 04, 2012, 12:41:10 AM
No, I did not suggest that. That being said-- I cannot imagine a world where every business venture was successful. It is an inherent part of the market. B gives the vibe hes got organizational ideas for those aspects of human life also. So, that's where it's coming from...
yes. you did... in point of fact you
explicitly declared it. ::) you said, and i quote:
Quote"The man who invests his savings in a concern that goes bankrupt is therefore injuring others as well as himself." I don't see this as true.
see that bold part? that's you saying the previous sentence, a quote from B, is untrue... ::) when it's
obviously not.
i didn't say he would be... you are the one making assumptions... ::)
reasonably? well... then using reason, demonstrate it. simply stating it doesn't make it so. nor does it convince me.
The world is not as his paper describes it could be... I don't see what is so unreasonable about the assumption that B would want more measures.
"The man who invests his savings in a concern that goes bankrupt is therefore injuring others as well as himself." I don't see this as true.
So, it's true in your mind. EVERY man who invests and goes bankrupt is therefore injuring himself and others. Is that more clear for you, now?
You're really disagreeable, bro. Since the start of the conversation you've been nothing but rude and made nothing but false accusations. I don't exchange with that type of person; even if your accusations had been true. So, I wish you the best... and I hope you enjoy the socialist paradise people like B will be providing to you very soon.
Just one quick correction. "EVERY man who invests and goes bankrupt is therefore injuring himself and others." Sorry, my response here doesn't really reflect the quote. B says that the man who invests his savings in a concern which goes bankrupt hurts himself and others. It isn't true because loss of savings doesn't always mean harm.
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 04, 2012, 08:27:46 AM
The world is not as his paper describes it could be... I don't see what is so unreasonable about the assumption that B would want more measures.
and the world is not as your opinion assumes it to be. so that's a no then, you don't have a cogent argument to substantiate your opinion.
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 04, 2012, 08:27:46 AM
"The man who invests his savings in a concern that goes bankrupt is therefore injuring others as well as himself." I don't see this as true.
So, it's true in your mind. EVERY man who invests and goes bankrupt is therefore injuring himself and others. Is that more clear for you, now?
your error and contradiction was clear from the start.
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 04, 2012, 08:27:46 AM
You're really disagreeable, bro. Since the start of the conversation you've been nothing but rude and made nothing but false accusations. I don't exchange with that type of person; even if your accusations had been true. So, I wish you the best... and I hope you enjoy the socialist paradise people like B will be providing to you very soon.
you're really pretentious and sanctimonious... and i'm not your "bro"... since the start of the conversation, you have been assuming, disparaging, lying and misrepresenting. ::)
furthermore, i haven't made ANY false accusations... YOU have.
the main points of bertrand's essay are that:
1 industrial revolution has made massive amounts of work very easy.
2 massive amounts of work that used to be the domain of humans can now be done with machines.
3 it used to take 8-12 hours (or more) a day to get the necessary work done before machines.
4 it still takes 8-12 after machines... something stinks in denmark...
5 working 8-12 hours when machines have been made to ease our workload ISN'T PROGRESS.
6 this is foolish. but we don't have to continue being foolish...
and you come in here with your 'rand inspired' political agenda trying to paint him as a pinko commie bastard... ::) your various logically fallacious replies are laughable... as is your naivety. you are aware that a completely free market, ie: rand's 'laissez-faire state', has never existed right?
as an aside, wouldn't it be more specific if your name was "howard roark's critics"? because... just like his critics, you insist that adherence to and reverence for historical convention is essential.
Quote from: HowardRoark on September 04, 2012, 12:15:11 PM
Just one quick correction. "EVERY man who invests and goes bankrupt is therefore injuring himself and others." Sorry, my response here doesn't really reflect the quote. B says that the man who invests his savings in a concern which goes bankrupt hurts himself and others. It isn't true because loss of savings doesn't always mean harm.
how asinine can you be? if someone's concern goes bankrupt. it harms people. ie: if my roommate's employer goes bankrupt. it harms him, it harms my roommate and it harms me... along with numerous other connected persons such as... the family of my roommates employer... etc. etc.
don't be so naive... ::)
What happens if: you work hard all your life, save your money and put it in the bank, then the bank declares that they are bankrupt, and can't provide you with your hard earned dollars? This has already happened, at least here where I live, and could happen again. Anything that you own can also be stolen from you, in a flash. Is there a solution?
Gold, silver, etz... are very easy to have taken or stolen from you also, and you're left with, nothing.
At least owning your own property, or lot, are less likely to be lost, and you can grow your own food, have your own house. As was done in places like Cuba, and in many other countries, where money did not exist, or was worthless, or just not to be had. They survived. We can do more than just survive, but, those that don't head the call, well... it's a tough call, all in all, but, there is still some time to get it together. I hope...
Quote from: NickZ on September 04, 2012, 06:43:44 PM
Is there a solution?
i think they call it a 'gun'... ;)
Yes, but thieves can also steal your guns, then shoot you with it.
A good investment for the upcoming year, a nice gun for Christmas. Not a pretty thought, Like the wild wild west.
That's why in the dark ages villagers all lived in closed in villages. Maybe that's what works, in that situation. And to take back our water rights, electric power sources, local internet service providers, fuel production, food production, etz...
Is there another way? Maybe not.
Quote from: NickZ on September 04, 2012, 07:30:46 PM
Yes, but thieves can also steal your guns, then shoot you with it.
they could possibly steal them... highly improbable, but possible. they couldn't shoot me with them though, they won't fire for anyone else.
Quote from: NickZ on September 04, 2012, 07:30:46 PMA good investment for the upcoming year, a nice gun for Christmas. Not a pretty thought, Like the wild wild west.
better than gold... ;)
Quote from: NickZ on September 04, 2012, 07:30:46 PM
That's why in the dark ages villagers all lived in closed in villages. Maybe that's what works, in that situation. And to take back our water rights, electric power sources, local internet service providers, fuel production, food production, etz...
Is there another way? Maybe not.
yup, it's always good to have a 'wingman' or two... or three...
if you make your own water, power, etc. you make your own politics... be careful, this terrifies 'them'.
I heard today that in the st.louis area the agencies that help people pay their bills are running out of money.I recently found a start of duckweed.So I will be planting duckweed in bodies of water around me.A secret garden as duckweed is edible for humans,fish, and ducks!
Duckweed is free,reproduces itself for free once you plant it.triffid
NickZ,I agree with you on stuff being stolen from you ,and me no matter what we do.I know about Cuba surviving a lack of money and may indeed be the teacher for the USA in the years to come.Cuba had to survive without money for oil.They found a way(or many ways).My duckweed is part of a personal program for me.I do know about wild edible greens.I wish I knew more about wild mushrooms.triffid
water purification: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imbx0XdlnQ0
food preparation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iali_mkReYA
WilbyInibriated:
Thanks for providing those two links, they may come in more than handy very soon.
Today we had a big big earthquake, 7.6., and 30 or more replicas. Things here are not in good shape, as the northern part of Costa Rica got it the worst. I am ok, so is our house. But, many people, and tourist hotels, bridges, and houses did not fare as well.
Things can change from one second to the next. Hold on to your hats... Exciting times ahead, and if you don't think so, aren't seeing yet, just wait...
NickZ
Ps. Wilby: I thought to mention that after going to the site to download the 18x board info, my pc went completely haywire, that site, babylon.com is a big time virus page. Beware, and let me know how it went with your pc. It's taken me all morning to get to be able to reply. The program just reinstalls itself, changes all my search setting, and homepage, etz...
I used to raise and butcher rabbits in Okla several years ago so the food preparation video Wilby provided a link to brought back memories.Using scissors instead of a knife was a twist I had never seen before.triffid
Quote from: NickZ on September 05, 2012, 02:37:18 PM
I thought to mention that after going to the site to download the 18x board info, my pc went completely haywire, that site, babylon.com is a big time virus page. Beware, and let me know how it went with your pc. It's taken me all morning to get to be able to reply. The program just reinstalls itself, changes all my search setting, and homepage, etz...
really? weird... both links were to scribd.com and the third was to youtube.com... i wonder how you ended up on babylon.com? haven't had any probs with my pc, but then again, i run my operating system all in ram and it goes back to 'vanilla' on every reboot.
What is Wrong With America . FOOLS LIKE THIS http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-bill-clinton-finally-just-shows-america-h,29453/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=manual&utm_campaign=fb-status:quote:cta-content
And the other reason is we are Dumb . a math question was posted and out of 300,000 people only 12 got it right . My daughter was one of them . I was wrong .. Without googling the answer here is your simple math problem that stumped the population .REMEMBER DON'T google and see if you are smarter than a 4th grader. This is not the math i was taught in the 60's and 70's and the answer USES please Excuse MY Dear Aunt Sally and i'll give you the answer later.IF you get it wrong don't feel bad. DOC appt in a few.
7-10+4X3=?
Show your work before the answer !
Wilby:
The babylon.com site may have gotten into my Pc from somewhere unrelated to the scribd.com or Youtube sites. But, the thing is if I try to come to this site now (OverUnity.com) when using Firefox,
Isearch.babylon.com becomes the seach engine. Uless I use Internet Explorer. Even now it has st messed up my typing just writting the word babylon.com. I can't remove it, I have removed the program, also as a seach engine. tool bar is looked on the Internet Exploror site, so it can't get into that.
I just wanted to clear that up, as I don't think that the scribd.com site is at fault, but, if anyone has had a similar problem please let me know, or have a solution to the problem mentioned above.
NickZ
Quote from: gadgetmall on September 07, 2012, 08:39:18 AM
What is Wrong With America . FOOLS LIKE THIS http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-bill-clinton-finally-just-shows-america-h,29453/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=manual&utm_campaign=fb-status:quote:cta-content
Read more articles of this site to judge how accountable the site is.
Nickz .you got a Hijacked !@! Search.babylon.com is a is a dangerous Google redirect virus that can hijack web browser and redirect search results to unwanted sites on infected computers
Manual Search.babylon.com Removal Steps:
1) Open Windows Task Manager to stop Search.babylon.com process.
2) Go to Windows Control Panel Add/Remove Programs to uninstall Search.babylon.com program.
3) Open Windows Registry using regedit.exe command. Find and Remove all Search.babylon.com Registry Files.
4) Search for Search.babylon.com Files on your computer and delete them.
Manual removal of Search.babylon.com hijacker is an effective solution, but also a difficult one especially for users who are not very familiar with Windows Registry component. Therefore, to make things much easier, and to help you remove Search.babylon.com redirect virus safely and quickly, you are suggested to contact Tee Support expert for complete Search.babylon.com removal once and for all.
GET BOTH FREE VERSIONS THESE WORK
Download Malwarebytes from malwarebytes.org update it reboot and run it .
And if you don't have one Virus protection try AVAST . been using it for years since Norton let me down.
Qwert Exactly . The Onion .
Gadgetmall:
You are very right Isearch.babylon.com is a big big problem. I've already tried all of your suggestions, but it keeps reinstalling itself. I'm using Avira now, and it work, but like I said it just reinstalls itself.
For anyone else out there, don't ever get fooled by babylon.com or their search engine isearch.balylon.com as both are bad news. Just don't go there, and beware of it.
NickZ
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Quote from: NickZ on September 07, 2012, 02:29:12 PM
Gadgetmall:
You are very right Isearch.babylon.com is a big big problem. I've already tried all of your suggestions, but it keeps reinstalling itself. I'm using Avira now, and it work, but like I said it just reinstalls itself.
For anyone else out there, don't ever get fooled by babylon.com or their search engine isearch.balylon.com as both are bad news. Just don't go there, and beware of it.
NickZ
ALL THE ABOVE IN safe mode Nickz. you tried that? Its hiding in your system32 directory most likely . also try hijackThis! .be sure to make a restore point first .do a scan and see if you see anything suspicious .You also want to run the command SFC /scannow @ the command prompt to check if any of your system files are renamed by the virus . You need your win disk.
I use a free version of avast.com to protect my computer against viruses.So far its done a real good job of protecting me.triffid
Gadget and All:
I tried HyjackThis!, along with a couple of other malware/spyware programs, NO luck. Even the microsoft malware removal tool did find or fix the problem, and it just keeps getting worse. I've done what I can, but I still can't reach this site using FireFox or Goggle Chrome, only Internet Explorer will get me here, which is the only way I can continue to post. As it has a LOCKED tool-bar feature.
This is only happening when going to this forum, but not any others, like Energetic Forum, Heredical Builders Forum, Energy Science Forum, etz... all work fine, only when I go here, Isearch.balylon.com takes over, and will not let me come here. Bummer as this is one of my favorite hang-outs, but thanks to Internet Explorer and their locked tool bar I can still post.
I've removed balylon.com from my search engines, from my program files, from my registry, from add and remove progarms, etz...and it just keeps coming back and reinstalling itself. Tough cookie to crack, this one.
Nick
http://larouchepac.com/node/23848 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23848) Obama Kills Space
What trump says about Obama. http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Trump-Obama-Stupid-Country/2012/06/15/id/442491?PROMO_CODE=F354-1 (http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Trump-Obama-Stupid-Country/2012/06/15/id/442491?PROMO_CODE=F354-1)
The United States could soon become a large-scale Spain or Greece, teetering on the edge of financial ruin.That’s according to Donald Trump, who painted a very ugly picture of where this country is headed under its current leadership. Trump made the comments during a recent appearance on Fox News’ “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.â€According to Trump, the United States is no longer a rich country. “When you’re not rich, you have to go out and borrow money. We’re borrowing from the Chinese and others. We’re up to $16 trillion in debt.â€It’s clear that Trump holds President Barack Obama responsible for the ballooning debt. Trump stated that the way Obama is running the country is “stupid.â€He goes on to point out that the downgrade of U.S. debt is inevitable. “We are going up to $16 trillion [in debt] very soon, and it’s going to be a lot higher than that before he gets finished. When you have [debt] in the $21-$22 trillion, you are talking about a downgrade no matter how you cut it.â€Ballooning debt and a credit downgrade aren’t Trump’s only worries for this country. He says that the official unemployment rate of 8.2 percent “isn’t a real number†and that the real figure is closer to 15 percent to 16 percent. He even mentioned that some believe the unemployment rate to be as high as 21 percent.
Read more: Trump Says The Way President Obama Is Running The Country Is "Stupid" (http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Trump-Obama-Stupid-Country/2012/06/15/id/442491?PROMO_CODE=F354-1#ixzz25paisvLP)
But Wiedemer’s outlook for the U.S. economy today makes Trump’s observations seem almost optimistic.Where Trump sees ballooning debt and a credit downgrade, Wiedemer sees much more widespread economic destruction.In a recent interview for his newest book Aftershock, Wiedemer says, “The data is clear, 50% unemployment, a 90% stock market drop, and 100% annual inflation . . . starting in 2012.â€When the host questioned such wild claims, Wiedemer unapologetically displayed shocking charts backing up his allegations, and then ended his argument with, “You see, the medicine will become the poison.â€The interview has become a wake-up call for those unprepared (or unwilling) to acknowledge an ugly truth: The country’s financial “rescue†devised in Washington has failed miserably.
Read more: Trump Says The Way President Obama Is Running The Country Is "Stupid" (http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Trump-Obama-Stupid-Country/2012/06/15/id/442491?PROMO_CODE=F354-1#ixzz25pbfwcZa)
The price of gold was $1735.30 an ounce today with silver at $33.68 per ounce.It been going up the last few days.
Quote from: triffid on September 07, 2012, 06:47:57 PM
I use a free version of avast.com to protect my computer against viruses.So far its done a real good job of protecting me.triffid
I use Avast also and is good for me and free. I also use Comodo firewall, free..Ive used Zone Alarm pro, bout $30 a year registration, and I believe its a great fire wall and spyware in one. Most all Pc's I have cleaned for people and introduced Zone Alarm to, havnt had problems since.
Nick, can you do a system restore? Bad malware can erase your restore files, and wont even let you open the task manager.
The best thing to do is search for how to get rid of what you got. Have you tried to reinstall Firefox?
Mags
I have reinstalled FireFox, twice now. No luck, it just keeps reinstalling like a cancer, and it is now hideing in my pc without being detected. I have not tried the system restore, I will try that next, if it will allow me.
Thanks for the suggestion,
NickZ
Ps. I just tried the system restore, but it said that the restore can not be done, to restart, and try it again. Which I did, and it gave me the same message.
A simple but helpful feature of Comodo, the defense settings(set to 'paranoid' ) can be configured to stop and alert you to 'every' program that wants to start or perform functions. The alerts will be many for all sorts of things. But it can help you identify and locate the program(virus,malware) so you can try to delete the file manually( Eraser, also free, can get rid of some files that cant be deleted, like some malware, etc).
If and once you locate and get rid of that file, keep monitoring the comodo alerts, as it will show the seed file eventually, that keeps giving rebirth to the sickness. There could be multiple seed files and they all need to be dealt with.
Ive had many successful manual removals. The ones that I had no success even with multiple fixit programs, I remove the HD, get an external usb drive box, and use another pc to copy and save valuable files from the infected drive. Programs and windows are useless unless installed, so dont even open them. Just data, music, html, pics, vids, etc. and then format from the host computer. A time consuming 'Eraser' wipe of the drive from the host pc can overwrite up to 32 times, where 7 times is gov standard, giving you high confidence that all problems are removed from the drive before formatting.
"Eraser" is free also. Once installed it resides in your 'right clik' menu for easy access to erase your heart out.
I have on occasion formatted a pc drive(in the original pc), and reloaded windows, and it still had attributes from the previous windows config. Formatting only, does not erase files or info previously written to the drive and the new windows install will look for and keep old stuff in the new install. ;)
Also, if anyone has problems reinstalling windows, dont give up on the first window that says 'windows cannot be installed on this drive. Repeat up to 4-5 times and it should work. 2-3 is usually a good result. Dont know why but it happens sometimes.
One more thing. If you have kids that use your computer, most will naturally search for 'free music'. These can be the most malicious sites, and the kids just dont know any better. That would be rule no 1 for my kids, 'Do not.....this and that...) ;] Avast puts up a bar scale next to Yahoo, etc. searches showing if the site is safe or not before clicking on it. Green is good, yellow is caution and red is get the heck outa here. ;]
MaGs
Triffid . The reported debt of the us National Budget is 16 trillion .the actual number is closer to 200 trillion . Taking in account all the people who are in debt with credit institutions and writing those checks the actually number is reported to be closer to and get this 5 quadrillion dollars as of august 31 2012
Gagetmall,I just don't see much hope for us at all.Today I saw a man cooking meat over an outdoor fire and he had dug a hole in the ground to contain the fire.And cooking the meat on iron rods in 1840's fashion.He said when the collapse occurs it will be a reality check for all of us.
He was at a classic car show and his hobbies are blacksmithing,trapping,and tanning hides.I got his business card.triffid
It just shows me I need a dry hole to build a good fire in.triffid
Magluvin:
As I don't want to hog up this thread with Pc virus problems, I just want to thank you, and mention that the system restore did not allow me to do that either, and now the virus is also in Internet Explorer, beside Firefox, and Google Chrome. Anyways, I can still post, for now... and I do have other hard drives. Yes my daughter does listen to music. This is the ONLY site that I have problems with the babylon virus redirecting things.
Thanks for your suggestions,
NickZ
All we may really have left is hope, so let's not lose or give that up, as it's our most precious comodity. In order for things to improve, the current situation will have to run its course, first.
There may be no other way...
I went to the Goodwill near me yesterday and bought a used book for a dollar.Michael Moore wrote it.cc 2001,before the 2008 crash.He titled his book"STUPID WHITE MEN and other sorry excuses for the state of the nation".Written before 2008 there is no mention of the 2008 crash but before 2001 he states that the economic bad news is written by rich people to discourage you from going out and getting your share of the wealth!I wonder how much of that is true today?I don't want to praise Michael Moore too much but his viewpoints are refreshing and to the point.For 2001 he says there is no recession,no downturn,no hard times,the rich just don't want you to come looking for your share of the pie.He wrote a chapter titled "kill whitey",in which he says that white people not black people are to be feared.Never mind the stories you hear in the media(About crime).White CEOs in 2001 laid off 700,000 people.triffid
I have read just over half of his book,something which he says 44 million americans cannot do (read,that is).There are so many things wrong with the country.Part of it is so many americans accept their lot in life like so many sheep and cannot read.triffid
@ Arian, du hast so recht. Wir sind mitten drin, wäre für hilfe dankbar. Auf der deutschen site geht nicht wirklich was, is mir auch ein bisschen zu heftig. info@formenbau-kunz.de nähe 90513PLZ
I have finished reading "Stupid White Men".Mr Moore states that Bill Clinton did nothing for eight years but wait until the last 48 hours of his presidency to issue some last minute executive orders and regulations.He waited until the last 48 hours of his term to do the right thing,so that everyone will look back and think,now he was a good president.But Clinton knew that these last minute orders would all fall under
the hand of the new administration coming to power.He knew none of these new orders would stand.
It was all about image.
triffid
Most of us didn't know we were drinking 1942-level arsenic water under Bill Clinton.
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/obamas-america-earns-26-million-now-second-most-popular-documentary/story-e6frfmvr-1226471613203?from=public_rss (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/obamas-america-earns-26-million-now-second-most-popular-documentary/story-e6frfmvr-1226471613203?from=public_rss) this movie is out in the movie theaters here in st.Louis,mo. triffid
Based on D'Souza's 2010 book The Roots of Obama's Rage, the documentary argues the President is anti-colonialist, anti-capitalist and anti-Western.
The documentary focuses on the nation's ballooning debt and claims the President is "weirdly" pro-islamic. Critics say it fails to mention the 2008 Global Financial Crisis and the raid that killed Osama bin Laden after the fugitive terrorist leader evaded President George Bush for more than 10 years.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/obamas-america-earns-26-million-now-second-most-popular-documentary/story-e6frfmvr-1226471613203#ixzz26Cs7dKFE (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/obamas-america-earns-26-million-now-second-most-popular-documentary/story-e6frfmvr-1226471613203#ixzz26Cs7dKFE)
http://larouchepac.com/node/23876 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23876) 50 minutes long
In today's discussion between Lyndon LaRouche and the national slate, Mr. LaRouche gets to the core of the current dismal situation the nation faces with the choice of either of the two leading presidential candidates: party politics must now come to an end if we are to avert thermonuclear war.
An hour and 55 minutes of an vocaloid concert from Japan.The performers are holograms. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZfnsvIqsfg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZfnsvIqsfg)
triffid
In today's discussion between Lyndon LaRouche and the national slate, Mr. LaRouche gets to the core of the current dismal situation the nation faces with the choice of either of the two leading
Don't individual States have the right to issue tender? The feds can use theirs to payoff debts they entered into for their bankruptcy problems while the rest of us can go on with life and trade in state issued tender. They can continue to tax the shit out of everybody but nobody will have any income in federal issue to be taxable. The excuse for the federal issue to begin with was that it was getting too confusing for people to exchange individual state currencies when doing interstate trading. I believe most people could figure out how much state issue to give a grocery store checkout cashier.
The federal government could still tax interstate trade and corporations who profit in multiple states but the double taxing of US citizens trying to make a living is ludicrous. Try making a purchase of something that a corporation hasn't already been taxed on in providing that goods or service. The fuel to bring it there federally taxed. The corporate profits federally taxed. The utlity company keeping the lights and equipment on in the store federally taxed. The insurance carrier for the employees benefit federally taxed. Pension plans-IRAS etc etc etc. built into the cost of the product you are purchasing with inome they are taxing again.
http://larouchepac.com/node/23924 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23924)
Lyndon LaRouche today demanded that Congress remain in session to immediately convene impeachment proceedings in the House of Representatives against President Barack Obama for his criminal complicity in the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in which Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other U.S. officials were killed.[/size]
Sparks,there is a story at http://www.xat.org about Ben Franklin visiting England and he was asked why they ,the colonies, were doing so well?He replied that they were printing their own money.Soon after that the monarch declared the colonies could not print their own money and unemployment a year later became the norm.triffid
I recall theres a list of taxes somewhere claiming that there are 32 different types of taxes Americans have to pay.
During a visit to Britain in 1763, The Bank of England asked Benjamin Franklin how he would account for the new found prosperity in the colonies. Franklin replied.
"That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Script. We issue it in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers.
In this manner, creating for ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one."
Benjamin Franklin .
America had learned that the people's confidence in the currency was all they needed, and they could be free of borrowing debts. That would mean being free of the Bank of England.
In Response the world's most powerful independent bank used its influence on the British parliament to press for the passing of the Currency Act of 1764.
This act made it illegal for the colonies to print their own money, and forced them to pay all future taxes to Britain in silver or gold.
Here is what Franklin said after that.
"In one year, the conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended, and a depression set in, to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployed."
Benjamin Franklin
"The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the PRIME reason for the Revolutionary War."
Benjamin Franklin's autobiography
By the time the war began on 19th April 1775 much of the gold and silver had been taken by British taxation. They were left with no other choice but to print money to finance the war.
What is interesting here is that Colonial Script was actually working so well, it became a threat to the established economic system of the time.
Quote from: triffid on September 16, 2012, 05:44:21 PM
http://larouchepac.com/node/23924 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23924)
Lyndon LaRouche today demanded that Congress remain in session to immediately convene impeachment proceedings in the House of Representatives against President Barack Obama for his criminal complicity in the Sept. 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in which Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other U.S. officials were killed.[/size]
Obama fuckedup big time. His defense for not going to congress for putting US citizens in harms way in Libya was that he didn't have to because he was following the lead of a foreign power. The NATO treaty does not exempt the president of the United States from following commands issued by a foreign power structure. What if the British decide to attack Moscow. Is Obama going to exempt himself from constitutional duty and follow the British proclamation. He appears to find nothing wrong with following her Majesties edicts. Nato is now dickswinging their military power in some sort of attempt at dissuading Iran from attacking the Zionist puppet state called Israel. These are terror tactics. I thought there was a war on terror. The second in command at Nato has obviously exempted himself from engaging in terrorism because it is OK with her majesty.
The excuse for the federal issue to begin with was that it was getting too confusing for people to exchange individual state currencies when doing interstate trading. I believe most people could figure out how much state issue to give a grocery store checkout cashier.
Some of the best news I've heard all week,when you don't have cash all of a sudden you got diamonds?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/russian-asteroid-crater-revealed-filled-over-1-quadrillion-013025163.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/russian-asteroid-crater-revealed-filled-over-1-quadrillion-013025163.html)
1.)Yes the british are still ticked off at us for breaking away and 2.) reducing their empire to nothing by 1959 after World War Two.
Now I heard rumours that the elite want the population reduced to 500,000 people in the whole world?Lets include the elite and make it an even dozen left behind!?!triffid
There is way too much talk about reducing the worlds population.When enough food can be grown for everybody.A 240 foot square hydroponic table can grow 15,000 heads of lettuce a year along with kale,tomatoes,eggplants,squash,fresh herbs,microgreens and strawberry plants.This is what the first hospital based greenhouse in the USA is growing,right there in Henry Ford hospital in West Bloomfield,Michigan.Think what 500,000 more greenhouses just like it could grow?triffid
Make jobs
Grow food
Feed people
This is why you want to keep everybody alive ,Obama and Queen of England.You never know when or where the next breakthru will occur.
Here a 10 year old girl creates a new molecule in 5th grade science class using models given out by her teacher.
http://www.tecca.com/news/2012/02/06/clara-lazen-molecule-tetranitratoxycarbon/ (http://www.tecca.com/news/2012/02/06/clara-lazen-molecule-tetranitratoxycarbon/) triffid
To her it just looked right!
Dr.Martin Weiss makes some comments about Spain and their continuing debt crisis. http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/contagion-spreading-fast-no-more-time-to-wait-48174 (http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/contagion-spreading-fast-no-more-time-to-wait-48174) triffid
The global contagion is spreading so quickly, it could strike the United States before yearend.
It’s the same contagion that began over two years ago in Greece … that hit Ireland and Portugal last year … that slammed into Italy last month … and is now striking down a fifth country: Spain.
Think Spain is too small to be a major factor in our markets? Think again
Spain’s economy is double the size of Greece’s, Ireland’s and Portugal’s COMBINED.
Spain’s total debts, including mortgages and commercial loans, are large enough to bankrupt all of Europe.
Even if the United States manages to escape a direct contagion attack for a while longer, the impact of Spain’s demise ALONE will explode on global financial markets with a mega-tonnage that’s many times larger than anything we’ve seen so far from Greece.
Worst of all, Spain has simply run out of time. Its death spiral is under way; its plunge into default, virtually unavoidable.
Here are the horrifying facts …
Spain’s unemployment has skyrocketed to 22.6 percent; and among workers under 25, to an astronomical 48 percent!
At least one million people are at risk of losing their homes â€" the equivalent of nearly seven million people in the U.S.
Homelessness and begging are rampant; labor strikes and street protests, endemic.
And now, the final blow: Global bond investors are dumping Spanish bonds like a hot potato, driving Spain’s borrowing costs through the roof.
Almost everywhere in the world, especially
in the United States and Europe, the pattern is clear:
First, the government spends everything it has.
Next, the government borrows all it can from its people.
Then, it borrows still more from foreign countries and banks.
Finally, the debts become so onerous that they bring on the contagion â€" the day of reckoning â€" we’re witnessing now.
Yes, America is still the richest country in the world. But that has merely enabled America’s leaders to take the greatest and most dangerous risks in the world.
Some better news. http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2007/0208-keeping_food_for_years.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2007/0208-keeping_food_for_years.htm)
Rolled oats can last 28 years?triffid
I think only 12 people should be left in the world.Its just a stupid idea(or number) as 500,000.Its my number no one elses. Henry Kissenger
had his own number now I have mine(12).Oh by the way,half the states in the USA had unemployment increases.
http://news.yahoo.com/unemployment-rates-rise-half-us-states-143515602--finance.html (http://news.yahoo.com/unemployment-rates-rise-half-us-states-143515602--finance.html)
triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 21, 2012, 06:53:52 PM
Oh by the way,half the states in the USA had unemployment increases.
Unemployment in the USA is growing up. Obama plans to rise tax for the wealthiest. Republicans argue that rising tax on wealthiest would trigger even more unemployment.
So, if the wealthiest still benefit from Bush tax cut (the Obama plan is not yet in use, its just a plan), how does it come the present, already existing rise in unemployment which comes mostly from private enterprises?
Republicans argue that only private enterprise is the solution for unemployment, not social benefits/grants which only make people lazy, deprived of a will toward their own enterprise.
An example: during (and also before and even after) the Great Depression the social benefits known today were then unknown and somehow it didn't trigger any abnormal boom toward private enterprises, comparing present times.
I hope that S.S. remains intact bearing in mind that any politician who touches it will be committing political suicide.I hope that fear still exists!?! Heres a tip for cleaning your HD TV so you can see all the bad news http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upgrade-your-life/worst-ways-clean-tv-212508943.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upgrade-your-life/worst-ways-clean-tv-212508943.html)
I bought a book today written by Harry S. Dent,JR. published 2008
Its called "The Great Depression Ahead"
"And how to prosper in the crash following the greatest boom in history"
He believes in cycles.He says we are seeing today three cycles merging together.He says a major stock crash is coming.
So now I have Martin Weiss and Harry S. Dent to compare side by side.
Harry S.Dent says that the cycles are normal and we must have them.That we always had them and always will.Martin and Harry both see another depression coming.Martin says Jan,2013 and Harry says 2010.So if Harry is off by three years it may not matter since he does mention it could happen by 2015.Weiss says pay for his newsletter and he will tell you how to protect yourself .Harry says get into cash and high quality bonds.Weiss says buy gold now,Harry says gold bubble will burst too maybe by 2017?
I like Harry S.Dents appraisal of our current situation because he talks as if we will survive it.People will lose money sure.
Banks will fail maybe yours could too?Weiss gives you details if you will pay $49.00 for one year sub to his newsletter.
If you are interested just yahoo up Martin D. Weiss.
Harry S. Dent is not as harsh as most people are towards government or the rich.Mostly he insists these cycles are normal and depends on the population growth and spending habits as people age.He does say that young people cost the most and do the least for the economy until they hit their late 40s where they are earning the most and spending the most.triffid
He says it(the depression) could last from 2008 to 2022/23.
Weiss sees hyperinflation coming.
Dent does not
At this point I do see people surviving but not without stress.Harry S.Dent says that we have a 5000 year cycle which just started and this will make us more global in our thinking and will include outer space.So 5000 years from now we could be on the moon and mars and further out?Just see the earth as one planet?triffid
Quote from: ARYANS POWER on September 20, 2012, 07:10:24 PM
"Now I heard rumours that the elite want the population reduced to 500,000 people in the whole world?"
It is too much.
What i would have left is <5.000, about 1.000 aryans families from various countries.
This plan is but enough for III Polish Reich and always quilty.
I will change life of people in a nightmare.
Thanks free work of our leaders, bankers and catholics of course.
And no finger breaking, no coal, no gas as Adolf Hitler done.
Only to wait.
For Big Cold Era coming.
I'm surprised you're still a Member, with sh!tty language like that.
Try this:
http://moneymorning.com/ob/jim-rogers-were-all-going-to-pay-a-horrible-price-for-this/?utm_expid=5485297-10&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fpaid.outbrain.com%2Fnetwork%2Fredir%3Fkey%3Dae10ebcd61a0c5723bc5fbb0d0cf7282%26rdid%3D384380516%26type%3DPLD_d%2Fg2_la%26in-site%3Dfalse%26pc_id%3D10081502%26req_id%3Dd359a20b48fdd71cdfb1c78937be9442%26agent%3Dblog_JS_rec%26recMode%3D7%26reqType%3D1%26wid%3D101%26imgType%3D0%26adsCats%3D1205%2C-1%2C-1%26refPub%3D368%26prs%3Dtrue%26scp%3Dfalse%26fcapElementId%3D7348 (http://moneymorning.com/ob/jim-rogers-were-all-going-to-pay-a-horrible-price-for-this/?utm_expid=5485297-10&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fpaid.outbrain.com%2Fnetwork%2Fredir%3Fkey%3Dae10ebcd61a0c5723bc5fbb0d0cf7282%26rdid%3D384380516%26type%3DPLD_d%2Fg2_la%26in-site%3Dfalse%26pc_id%3D10081502%26req_id%3Dd359a20b48fdd71cdfb1c78937be9442%26agent%3Dblog_JS_rec%26recMode%3D7%26reqType%3D1%26wid%3D101%26imgType%3D0%26adsCats%3D1205%2C-1%2C-1%26refPub%3D368%26prs%3Dtrue%26scp%3Dfalse%26fcapElementId%3D7348)
Also, the strife in Europe and the Middle East over the movie, "Innocence of Muslims", can be really bad for the world's economies in the future. The protests might turn deadly if hotheads have their way in those countries. Bad all the way around.
I already said that it'll be less than 3 months until the whole economy hit "the skids"---and you, "Aryan...", say the same thing?
Why is that?
Oh, you've already been told who I am. I'm not just going to tell
you. And you
like Adolf Hitler? His relatives gave their blood to prove he was Jewish with his DNA! And you don't care or give a d@mn, do you?!?!
--Lee
The Russell-Einstein Manifesto
Issued in London, 9 July 1955
IN the tragic situation which confronts humanity, we feel that scientists should assemble in conference to appraise the perils that have arisen as a result of the development of weapons of mass destruction, and to discuss a resolution in the spirit of the appended draft.
We are speaking on this occasion, not as members of this or that nation, continent, or creed, but as human beings, members of the species Man, whose continued existence is in doubt. The world is full of conflicts; and, overshadowing all minor conflicts, the titanic struggle between Communism and anti-Communism.
Almost everybody who is politically conscious has strong feelings about one or more of these issues; but we want you, if you can, to set aside such feelings and consider yourselves only as members of a biological species which has had a remarkable history, and whose disappearance none of us can desire.
We shall try to say no single word which should appeal to one group rather than to another. All, equally, are in peril, and, if the peril is understood, there is hope that they may collectively avert it.
We have to learn to think in a new way. We have to learn to ask ourselves, not what steps can be taken to give military victory to whatever group we prefer, for there no longer are such steps; the question we have to ask ourselves is: what steps can be taken to prevent a military contest of which the issue must be disastrous to all parties?
The general public, and even many men in positions of authority, have not realized what would be involved in a war with nuclear bombs. The general public still thinks in terms of the obliteration of cities. It is understood that the new bombs are more powerful than the old, and that, while one A-bomb could obliterate Hiroshima, one H-bomb could obliterate the largest cities, such as London, New York, and Moscow.
No doubt in an H-bomb war great cities would be obliterated. But this is one of the minor disasters that would have to be faced. If everybody in London, New York, and Moscow were exterminated, the world might, in the course of a few centuries, recover from the blow. But we now know, especially since the Bikini test, that nuclear bombs can gradually spread destruction over a very much wider area than had been supposed.
It is stated on very good authority that a bomb can now be manufactured which will be 2,500 times as powerful as that which destroyed Hiroshima. Such a bomb, if exploded near the ground or under water, sends radio-active particles into the upper air. They sink gradually and reach the surface of the earth in the form of a deadly dust or rain. It was this dust which infected the Japanese fishermen and their catch of fish. No one knows how widely such lethal radio-active particles might be diffused, but the best authorities are unanimous in saying that a war with H-bombs might possibly put an end to the human race. It is feared that if many H-bombs are used there will be universal death, sudden only for a minority, but for the majority a slow torture of disease and disintegration.
Many warnings have been uttered by eminent men of science and by authorities in military strategy. None of them will say that the worst results are certain. What they do say is that these results are possible, and no one can be sure that they will not be realized. We have not yet found that the views of experts on this question depend in any degree upon their politics or prejudices. They depend only, so far as our researches have revealed, upon the extent of the particular expert's knowledge. We have found that the men who know most are the most gloomy.
Here, then, is the problem which we present to you, stark and dreadful and inescapable: Shall we put an end to the human race; or shall mankind renounce war? People will not face this alternative because it is so difficult to abolish war.
The abolition of war will demand distasteful limitations of national sovereignty. But what perhaps impedes understanding of the situation more than anything else is that the term "mankind" feels vague and abstract. People scarcely realize in imagination that the danger is to themselves and their children and their grandchildren, and not only to a dimly apprehended humanity. They can scarcely bring themselves to grasp that they, individually, and those whom they love are in imminent danger of perishing agonizingly. And so they hope that perhaps war may be allowed to continue provided modern weapons are prohibited.
This hope is illusory. Whatever agreements not to use H-bombs had been reached in time of peace, they would no longer be considered binding in time of war, and both sides would set to work to manufacture H-bombs as soon as war broke out, for, if one side manufactured the bombs and the other did not, the side that manufactured them would inevitably be victorious.
Although an agreement to renounce nuclear weapons as part of a general reduction of armaments would not afford an ultimate solution, it would serve certain important purposes. First, any agreement between East and West is to the good in so far as it tends to diminish tension. Second, the abolition of thermo-nuclear weapons, if each side believed that the other had carried it out sincerely, would lessen the fear of a sudden attack in the style of Pearl Harbour, which at present keeps both sides in a state of nervous apprehension. We should, therefore, welcome such an agreement though only as a first step.
Most of us are not neutral in feeling, but, as human beings, we have to remember that, if the issues between East and West are to be decided in any manner that can give any possible satisfaction to anybody, whether Communist or anti-Communist, whether Asian or European or American, whether White or Black, then these issues must not be decided by war. We should wish this to be understood, both in the East and in the West.
There lies before us, if we choose, continual progress in happiness, knowledge, and wisdom. Shall we, instead, choose death, because we cannot forget our quarrels? We appeal as human beings to human beings: Remember your humanity, and forget the rest. If you can do so, the way lies open to a new Paradise; if you cannot, there lies before you the risk of universal death.
Resolution:
WE invite this Congress, and through it the scientists of the world and the general public, to subscribe to the following resolution:
"In view of the fact that in any future world war nuclear weapons will certainly be employed, and that such weapons threaten the continued existence of mankind, we urge the governments of the world to realize, and to acknowledge publicly, that their purpose cannot be furthered by a world war, and we urge them, consequently, to find peaceful means for the settlement of all matters of dispute between them."
Max Born
Percy W. Bridgman
Albert Einstein
Leopold Infeld
Frederic Joliot-Curie
Herman J. Muller
Linus Pauling
Cecil F. Powell
Joseph Rotblat
Bertrand Russell
Hideki Yukawa
I must say that in my time here on overunity(some years now).I have found solutions to a lot of our problems.The city of Guessing, Austria
who left oil before oil left them.Is just one story I found with answers.It took them ten years to make the switch.As far as feeding people one can set up greenhouses nearly as fast as the population grows.Look at what Cuba did when they had no money for oil.I provided links to their stories in this thread.Then I found out that underwater turbines in the gulf stream could provide all of our electrical needs in the USA.Then that's not even thinking about setting up thorium reactors(a nuclear reaction that does not make bomb material).Then think of all the solar power that falls on this planet.
Now with Larouch he has answers to bring the economy back around.I found pure simple GREED to be toppling the american middle class.By 2001 the average american has stolen from him something like 166,666 dollars by Wall Street.From 1993 to 2001 that theft had occurred.
By selling stocks in companies that had no earnings.Paying $150 a share only to see it drop to $1.50 per share 13 months later.
Lies,Lies,Lies were told that said these companies were good investments.
Everyone here has heard about the housing crisis created by the banks (no banker ever goes to jail for matters concerning banking).
Toxic Assets,Etc.Now we have hyperinflation looming in our future???triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 24, 2012, 12:45:41 AM
Toxic Assets,Etc.Now we have hyperinflation looming in our future???triffid
it's such poetic justice for those that played with fiat money and put their assets into a 'house of cards'... don't you think?
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 24, 2012, 12:50:23 AM
it's such poetic justice for those that played with fiat money and put their assets into a 'house of cards'... don't you think?
Well,
My! Dear! Inebriated One, look at this...
http://eyreinternational.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/the-horrific-new-world-order-master-plan-that-has-full-un-approval/ (http://eyreinternational.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/the-horrific-new-world-order-master-plan-that-has-full-un-approval/)
Now, someone I used to know in another state, who was connected with certain circles of research---he didn't name names---indicated that theirs and his opinions were mainly in line with the article above. Not kidding. That's what they thought was coming. Oh, BTW, my independent opinion, verified in another way, also says the same thing, with more detail than the article. Regardless of where the information originated, the story is the same.
Actually, the title of this thread is understated:
"A total collapse of the existing world order is coming", would be more accurate.
I'm not trying to hide in the woods like someone I can think of, Wilby..., since I know I can't get away from what's coming, short of suicide---which is something I suggest for you.
I'm doing all this for a reason,
My! Dear! Inebriated One, but you can try and read my mind for the reason. ;D :P :-X :-* :-* :-*
--Lee
The more you read/listen/see the more you are a subject of manipulation. People kill themselves this way. They cannot change this, using traditional tools. The only solution is to stop the info access. It's better solution to die suddenly from being less informed then being tormented by info and at the same time being unable to change this. And by discussing this on a forum we won't change anything. Only by initiating an action we can change something.
Billionaires quietly dumping their stock! http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/billionaires-dump-economist-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=FE8A-1 (http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/billionaires-dump-economist-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=FE8A-1) Once again a sales letter is offered.Pay my price and I will tell you what to do!Could be they were not quiet enough!Afterall they got caught doing it!triffid
In the latest filing for Buffett’s holding company Berkshire Hathaway, Buffett has been drastically reducing his exposure to stocks that depend on consumer purchasing habits. Berkshire sold roughly 19 million shares of Johnson & Johnson, and reduced his overall stake in “consumer product stocks†by 21%. Berkshire Hathaway also sold its entire stake in California-based computer parts supplier Intel.With 70% of the U.S. economy dependent on consumer spending, Buffett’s apparent lack of faith in these companies’ future prospects is worrisome.
Read more: Billionaires Dumping Stocks, Economist Knows Why (http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/billionaires-dump-economist-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=FE8A-1#ixzz27QWv9Fpq)
Fellow billionaire John Paulson, who made a fortune betting on the subprime mortgage meltdown, is clearing out of U.S. stocks too. During the second quarter of the year, Paulson’s hedge fund, Paulson & Co., dumped 14 million shares of JPMorgan Chase. The fund also dumped its entire position in discount retailer Family Dollar and consumer-goods maker Sara Lee.Finally, billionaire George Soros recently sold nearly all of his bank stocks, including shares of JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, and Goldman Sachs. Between the three banks, Soros sold more than a million shares.
Read more: Billionaires Dumping Stocks, Economist Knows Why (http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/billionaires-dump-economist-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=FE8A-1#ixzz27QXltHKI)
It starts with the reckless strategy of the Federal Reserve to print a massive amount of money out of thin air in an attempt to stimulate the economy.“These funds haven’t made it into the markets and the economy yet. But it is a mathematical certainty that once the dam breaks, and this money passes through the reserves and hits the markets, inflation will surge,†said Wiedemer.“Once you hit 10% inflation, 10-year Treasury bonds lose about half their value. And by 20%, any value is all but gone. Interest rates will increase dramatically at this point, and that will cause real estate values to collapse. And the stock market will collapse as a consequence of these other problems.â€
Read more: Billionaires Dumping Stocks, Economist Knows Why (http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/billionaires-dump-economist-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=FE8A-1#ixzz27QYjwv5E)
And this is where Wiedemer explains why Buffett, Paulson, and Soros could be dumping U.S. stocks:“Companies will be spending more money on borrowing costs than business expansion costs. That means lower profit margins, lower dividends, and less hiring. Plus, more layoffs.â€No investors, let alone billionaires, will want to own stocks with falling profit margins and shrinking dividends. So if that’s why Buffett, Paulson, and Soros are dumping stocks, they have decided to cash out early and leave Main Street investors holding the bag.But Main Street investors don’t have to see their investment and retirement accounts decimated for the second time in five years.
Read more: Billionaires Dumping Stocks, Economist Knows Why (http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/billionaires-dump-economist-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=FE8A-1#ixzz27QZcEMDV)
They have decided to cash out early and leave Main Street investors holding the bag.But Main Street investors don’t have to see their !important]investment and retirement accounts decimated for the second time in five years. Thats why this keeps happening to mainstreet investors.All the information they get says buy,buy,buy.The billionaires see sell,sell,sell right now.
You think this is misinformation?I have three names now that see a major depression coming.I know your brother in law is far better at stocks than anyone else.Of course hes rich now.He just hides it well.triffid
Excellent points. I agree what's coming isn't going to be pretty.
And most people are totally asleep.
So now you know that certain stocks may take a 90% plunge.Some were named in the article I posted a link too.I feel too that real estate prices will take a hit too.The smart money seems to be going to gold but that bubble will burst too maybe by 2017?
So what can you do to stay fed?Not go hungry?Volunteer to work in a food bank.It worked for my mom back in the 1980's.She walked out on a job she was burned out on without giving a two week notice and it followed her everywhere.She could work somewhere for a month and would be told she wasn't needed anymore.That happened more than twice.Once she started volunteering in a food bank she was able to feed herself.I benefited too as I got stuff too.triffid
If you sue a company too for any reason that follows you around too and a new company will not hire you.
Too many traffic tickets can knock you out of being hired.
Most people that are posting here know that there is something happening, or about to happen. For those that have not seen this video below, it may be an eye opener.
About 4 weeks ago, we had a 7.6 earthquake, in Costa Rica. it could have been a lot worse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk-3MU-rc0M&feature=related
About a possible world war 3 with Iran, or whatever nation is most convenient, it has been mentioned that no nuclear war will be allowed, by those that have the power to stop it, cold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYuIeJD_AcE&feature=relmfu
I think the global economy can be restored big time if we can get the Zionists to set their goals a little higher. If somehow we can convince them that their Messiah has returned and is bored with control of the city of Jerusalem and the planet upon which it resides we should be good. Get some holigraphic image of a Jewish guy floating over London proclaiming he is the promised one and is seeking dominance of the tribe of Moses over a planet he found made of solid gold 20lightyears away. The bewildered Rothschild could be reassured that their efforts were not in vain but it is the edict of the burning bush to reside on the Golden planet and dominate it forever and ever and abandon trivial Earth. They could be convinced to invest in aerospace technologies and life support systems and all sorts of stuff to bring the promised ones to the golden planet. There needs to be robotic security guards and all sorts of security equipment to guard the golden planet from attack by evil have nothings. There are millions to be transported to the golden planet. The Roman Catholics-Islamists whatever ists not to be outdone by the Jewish bullshit would invest in the space race for spreading the word of God throughout the entire Universe. Christien ministers thumping bibles as they pass through the heliospheric boundary waiting to pass the plate amongst space flocks millions of light years away. The pope on sabbatical to constellations perceivable by only the Hubble spacecraft. Islamists searching out virgin space folks to fuck for their worthy. It should make the space race for the moon look like a 3year olds game of tag.
Quote from: NickZ on September 24, 2012, 09:51:12 PM
...About a possible world war 3 with Iran, or whatever nation is most convenient, it has been mentioned that no nuclear war will be allowed, by those that have the power to stop it, cold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYuIeJD_AcE&feature=relmfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYuIeJD_AcE&feature=relmfu)
There's something else, IMHO:
The anti-Muslim film:
"Innocence of Islam".This guy is just about right, to put it very lightly...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dqHt6gsoxU
As long as the full length movie is out there for seeing and downloading to hard drives, the worldwide Muslims will get more and more angry. This isn't going away soon. Not by a long shot. Tempers are getting worse every day. This may or may not be the camel back-breaking straw, but it's got a really bad set of vibes to me.
--Lee
Now here is a car company that is changing things. Charge your car for free. ;] Well, meaning you dont have to pay for the charge. ;]
http://theintelhub.com/2012/09/25/tesla-motors-launches-revolutionary-supercharger-enabling-free-long-distance-travel/
MaGs
Sometimes the simplest ideas are the best. [/font][/size]
Concerned about the lack of fresh water in the developing world, designer Gabriele Diamanti wanted a solution to desalinate water that was available to households rather than relying on giant, [/font][/size]centralized plants (http://www.gizmag.com/ibm-solar-powered-desalination/14760/)[/font][/size]. [/font][/size]
He also wanted it to be something inexpensive that could be made by local craftsman. The result is a ceramic solar still called the Eliodomestico that operates like an “upside-down coffee percolatorâ€.[/font][/size]
The open-source design of the Eliodomestico is remarkably simple. It consists of two ceramic pieces that sit one atop the other. Inside the top piece is a black container into which salt water is poured. The sun heats the container, turning the water to steam. As pressure builds, the steam is forced down a tube into a container in the lower piece. There it condenses against the lid and collects in the basin of the container.[/size]
The Eliodomestico collects about five liters (1.09 gal) of fresh water per day and costs about US$50 to build with no operating costs. The bottom container’s basin is designed to be transported on the head, which is a common practice in developing countries.[/font][/size]
The design was a finalist at Prix Emile Hermès competition 201, received special mention at the Well-Tech Award 2012 and was the pro winner of the Core77 Design Awards 2012, social impact category.[/font][/size]
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Quote from: triffid on September 24, 2012, 06:08:58 PM
Read more: Billionaires Dumping Stocks, Economist Knows Why (http://www.moneynews.com/Outbrain/billionaires-dump-economist-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=FE8A-1#ixzz27QZcEMDV)
There's something else, triffid:
I used to get 25-30 spam e-mail come-on promotions a day when I looked at my Yahoo! account. Now it's 100-125 a day. Why? I think someone really knows the sh!t's about to hit the fan economically, and they're trying to get in their last money-making efforts before the party ends for good.
--Lee
Yep goodbye Yellow Brick Road and the emerald city. I think the new currency should be based on shit. Then you can go down to the bank and borrow some shit and pay the bank back with your daily shit plus interest shit. Rich people will have alot of shit while poor people will be shitless. The more you shit the more you make. Vast stores of shit could be kept in secure bunkers and audited by various authorites seeking to know exactly how much shit do the shit owners have in reserves. Soon the richest men and women in the world will start building islands made out of all the shit they have. Old people better save up their shit because people tend to get constipated when their old. They could deposit it in shitbearing accounts when they are young and accumulate more shit so when they are old and constipated they can pay for goods and services with old shit that has grown. Shit like that can take on a life of it's own. Soon there will be so much shit floating around in a large ball called a shitbubble that it may burst. This would rain megatons of shit down into the economy and shit may have to be replaced with urine as the fiat currency. This is a win win win solution. Instead of depopulating humans shitmakers will be needed. Large farms will be needed to provide raw materials for the shit producers. People will start eating healthy to bulk up their shit. Sewerage disposal will be into bank vaults not costing anything. No more shitty diapers to contend with in land fills. Lifestyles of the rich and famous will include secrets on how to shit the most. When you go to the bathroom in a public place you get paid by the ounce as a credit on your bank of manure card. Investment concerns would be pitching all the time to help develop a shitting strategie. The medical industry would truly be inspired to extend your life so you shit more. ON and on.
Think Romney will protect the USA economy once hes in office? Think again! http://www.sacbee.com/2012/09/27/v-print/4861129/romneybain-invested-in-the-brutal.html (http://www.sacbee.com/2012/09/27/v-print/4861129/romneybain-invested-in-the-brutal.html) triffid
There is enough money in the whole world for everybody if everybody could get it.But there are those in power who haVE DECIDED TO TAKE IT FROM EVERYONE ELSE.ALL MINE THEY SAY .YOU DON'T GET BUT WHAT I LET YOU HAVE.YOU CAN HAVE 2% OF WHAT WE USED TO PAY AMERICANS.
DO NOT VOTE FOR THE MAN.
666 IS TRULY COMING.
At its peak, for two and a half years from April 1998 through August 2000, Mr. Romney and his Brookside Capital Partners Fund, affiliate of Bain, invested approximately $23 million in the Global-Tech sweatshop in Dongguan, China.
Mr. Romney was there when the Race to the Bottom in the global sweatshop economy was launched. Mr. Romney noted "the pittance they earned"â€" just 24 cents an hour in 1998 and less than $2.00 a day. Wages in Global-Tech were less than 2 percent of U.S. wages.
Despite his investment and power as Bain's CEO, Mr. Romney apparently failed to urge Chinese management to even modestly improve Global-Tech's gross working and living conditions or the pitifully low wages of its workers.
If Mr. Romney had spoken up, conditions at Global-Tech might be far better today. Sadly, in 2012, Global-Tech remains a brutal sweatshop, where workers are paid starvation wages of $1.00 an hour and have no rights.
According to the Institute for Global Labour and Human Rights' investigation, conditions at Global-Tech are abysmal: primitive, filthy dorm conditions are the norm; routine 15- to 16-hour shifts prevail, along with grueling 105- to 112-hour, seven-day work weeks.
Eight hundred student interns â€" many exhausted children, just 16 years old â€" are forced to work the grueling 15- to 16-hour shifts with no overtime pay.
In the context of Mr. Romney's present "get tough on China" stance, it would be critical for Mr. Romney to clarify exactly what he and Bain Capital did at the Global-Tech factory in Dongguan, China to push back against the evident abuses in the factory and to assure respect for human, women's and workers' rights.
I cannot believe the incredible GREED OF THESE PEOPLE.Its like you go to a banquet and right in front of your eyes.Out of 1000 guests there are 10 people who put their hands in every plate.Making sure they have touched your food you are about to eat.Making sure they did not wash their hands.
ITS ALL ABOUT POWER.
THERE IS ENOUGH FOOD FOR EVERYONE.
ENOUGH MONEY TOO.
TRIFFID
I have known for about a year that our system is so broken.So broken that theres very little you can do about it as an individual.When we think about 9/11/2001.We forget that about 13 months before in the stock market that we were told to buy this stock,buy that stock.Many Americans were incouraged to buy stocks that were over priced,no earnings to speak of and over a peroid of 13 months many people had a reduction in wealth to the tune of 166,666 dollars each.
from martin weiss"the ultimate safe money guide"
published 2002
WORD FOR WORD
ALL TOLD,THE TOTAL MARKET VALUE OF THE MORE THAN 4300 STOCKS LISTED ON THE NASDAQ PLUNGED FROM 7.6 TRILLION DOLLARS ON MARCH 10,2000 TO 2.4 TRILLION DOLLARS ON APRIL 6,2001.INVESTORS LOST 5.2 TRILLION DOLLARS---MORE MONEY THAN WAS LOST IN THE WORST CRASHES OF ALL RECORDEDHISTORY,THE EQUIVALENT OF NEARLY HALF THE THE ENTIRE GROSS PRODUCT OF THE MOST POWERFUL ECONOMY OF THE WORLD.ALL GONE IN JUST 13 MONTHS.
Misinformation was the tool that did this.The critical information you and I needed was passed through a series of filters,each removing some piece of bad news,each adding a new layer of hype,distortion ,and even outright lies.Most times the companies did not have the earnings that had been expected.So people who bought into the hype lost big time.Thinking back to that time ,before 9/11/2001
I knew some people at work who were well off before the big decline.Ones stock account had reached over 900,000 dollars she said then watched it decline to about $300,000 when she suddenly passed away.Another guy I knew had a plan to buy Yahoo and leverage $300,000 into a million based on what the company had done 7 times in the last seven years(stock price wise).It had been at 100 dollars a share then go up over a 300 dollars a share.The year he did this He bought at 100 dollars a share and watched it drop to 13.00 dollars a share.2000-2001.
So the information was doctored by those who wanted to sell stocks.Weiss calls it "The Great Stock Market Scam".People were told that these stocks were ok to buy by those who wanted to sell them.triffid
Hi kampen,that fresh water maker is fantastic!Makes use of free energy(solar).We need millions of them.triffid
Fusion rocket research is on its way!http://txchnologist.com/?p=29897 (http://txchnologist.com/?p=29897) Also 500,000 asteroids are known to be in the solar system waiting for us to go out and mine them!triffid
Some good news on social security. http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jun/24/michele-bachmann/bachmann-says-social-security-running-deficit-and-/ (http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jun/24/michele-bachmann/bachmann-says-social-security-running-deficit-and-/)
http://www.politifact.com seems to be a good website on political truths,half-truths and old plain out lies.
triffid
Ok,here they made a correction on what they wrote,so they are not perfect!
Update: We stepped on a live wire with this article and, based on reader reactions, realize we could have been blunt that the so-called Social Security Trust Fund isn't a pot of money like, say, someone's personal savings account. Also, we could have been clearer about decisions that lie ahead to shore up Social Security.
References to the trust fund are really references to an ongoing relationship between two parts of the U.S. government. Here's how reader Michael Brandl, a lecturer at the McCombs School of Business, summed it up in his note to us this morning: The Social Security system "will be in a deficit this year â€" that is because of economic slowdown, as you correctly point out. However, the 'trust fund' is not really a 'savings account' as one might think. As you correctly point out, the trust fund is made up of Treasury securities, which are paid with future tax revenues. So, the Social Security trust fund is made up of promises to repay ourselves!"
There's an overarching concern here, past the statement we checked. Down the years, will the government make good on Social Security's investments in treasury securities? We're not wading into that â€" it also wasn't at issue in Bachmann's statement. Social Security is clearly a hot topic.
This is a film that was just released on YT about GMO Genetic Modified Organism. A must see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odCSWY05u4Q
Also check out naturalnews.com
Mags
The strength of the dollar always resided in the ability of the feds to enslave it's population to insure the unemployed stockholders remain unemployed and receive maximum unemployment benefits. The credit rating of the US is plunging. I can't sleep at night because of this. ::) They have moved on and are now heavily invested in Chineese slavery. After dangling the American dream in front of a wagon pulled by immigrants full of fat cats the fat cats have opted to go with the Chineese governments ability to provide slave labor without all the costs promoting the American dream. The chineese government simply rounds up it's populace and assigns them to one corporation or the other. When the chineese workers commit suicide they put up nets. The money industry has collapsed because the truth of their immoral enslavement of people is becoming well known. But the problem with outright human slavery is that there is no abstract trade device that people believe in to buy the fruits of this slavery. God does work in mysterious ways and this one has all the slavers baffled.
Sparks,a lot of us can't sleep well anymore.Too many hands in my pocket for one thing.I do find hints that SS may be ok for a while longer.
http://chippewa.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/why-it-matters-social-security/article_de7c1de8-484e-5fdc-8501-1a2895202c3a.html (http://chippewa.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/why-it-matters-social-security/article_de7c1de8-484e-5fdc-8501-1a2895202c3a.html)
they give us a date about 2033 when SS runs out of money.I'm one of those senors who count on SS for 90 percent of my income.I do save a little each month and am buying stocks that pay dividends.I'm told that Romney has bought companies in India as well as in China.
triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 30, 2012, 09:55:16 PM
Sparks,a lot of us can't sleep well anymore.Too many hands in my pocket for one thing.I do find hints that SS may be ok for a while longer.
http://chippewa.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/why-it-matters-social-security/article_de7c1de8-484e-5fdc-8501-1a2895202c3a.html (http://chippewa.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/why-it-matters-social-security/article_de7c1de8-484e-5fdc-8501-1a2895202c3a.html)
they give us a date about 2033 when SS runs out of money.I'm one of those senors who count on SS for 90 percent of my income.I do save a little each month and am buying stocks that pay dividends.I'm told that Romney has bought companies in India as well as in China.
triffid
Triffid that makes you a retired veteran of the war on poverty. Me just an old soldier. I plan on dieing on the battlefield probably have a heart attack stocking shelves at homedepot or drown in a toilet bowl being a janitor. Use to make 200k a year now struggling to make 30k. Lost business house wife back in 2008 crash. Fuck it there is life after affluence and I actually like it better than when I was in the game. (Shhh don't tell the kids. We need their asses working hard at getting rich stuff to continue the war on poverty and pay some benefits to it's vets.)
Sparks,The best I ever did was like 45,000 now living on less than half.I enrolled today in dr.martin d. weiss newsletter"Safe Money"
So I spent today reading his reports.49 dollars for one year.Already the info is worth many times that.
If you want a stock to buy buy campbell soup.CBP,its earning 3.3 % right now and the company is loaded with cash.
I found this to leave here:
“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only
power government has is the power to crack down
on criminals. When there aren’t enough criminals,
one makes them. One declares so many things to be
a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live
without breaking laws.â€
â€" Ayn Rand
Sparks,Your kids need help to make it thur whats coming.I got a book written by Dr.Martin D.Weiss at a thrift store for $1.50 and saw that he does indeed help the little guy.That book came out in 2002 so its a little out of date.So for a week and a half I wondered should I buy or not?His Newsletter that is,I decided today to put him on my team.No regrets so far.triffid
I plan on sharing with my brother.
A short vid. 1:42 Excellent, true and funny. ;]
She is running for senate. God speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnY8r7_fLw
Mags
This place is a short ways from the st.louis area.Just a small taste of whats to come all over the country as police and firefighters and others are let go to save money.
BYRNES MILL, Mo (KMOV.com) -- Byrnes Mill Police Chief Ed Locke says he was getting ready to resign to take another job but before he could turn in his notice he was fired for no reason. If what he says is true, it's a bold move on the part of the city of to save some money. The Byrnes Mill board of aldermen held a closed session meeting at the home of one of the aldermen on Sunday. On Monday, Locke was told he'd been fired and was escorted from the city hall building. He was relieved of his duties effective immediately and Lieutenant Mike Smith was made acting chief as the search begins for Locke's replacement. Locke tells News 4 that he believes he was fired so the town wouldn't have to pay him for his unused sick days and vacation. City Administrator Larry Perney declined to talk on camera saying he had other commitments and couldn't say much because it was a personnel matter. He did release a statement saying the board voted to audit the police department, saying that it's "being done to examine the police department's policies and procedures." But the former chief says during his time with Byrnes Mill he was only abiding by policies and procedures that were in place within the department. Byrnes mill is a bedroom community of about 2,800 tucked away in the northwest corner of Jefferson County. News 4 also talked with Mayor Susan Gibson Tuesday about whether a police chief would be eligible for severance pay if they were fired. She said she would not go on camera or say anything beyond what was already in the printed statement released by the city.
Hi mags,just like she said,what could go wrong?triffid
Birth rate for USA down for four years in a row. http://news.yahoo.com/baby-bust-continues-us-births-down-4th-041403038.html (http://news.yahoo.com/baby-bust-continues-us-births-down-4th-041403038.html)
The economy at fault?There may be other factors?How about people liking each other?triffid
Eight myths about SS. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/8-social-security-myths-exposed-095027639.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/8-social-security-myths-exposed-095027639.html)
Myth: Social Security funds are running dry, so I should collect as soon as possible
The most recent government-issued report projects that Social Security will run out of funding by 2033. This is earlier than previously expected, but doesn’t necessarily mean Social Security will be gone in 20 years. It means system revenues won’t be capable of paying 100 percent of promised benefits under the law. The Social Security Administration estimates that benefits could be reduced by 22 percent at that point and may continue to decline if Congress doesn’t intervene.
Meanwhile, an increasing number of Americans are taking Social Security at the minimum age of 62, according to SmartMoney. But experts insist that it pays to wait. For each year you hold off on collecting Social Security after reaching full retirement age â€" which is typically age 66 for baby boomers â€" you’ll get an 8 percent increase in benefits. So waiting till 70 means about a third more income.
In Brazil in 2004
Ultimately, inflation exploded to over two
thousand percent. That’s when the government got
so desperate it summarily froze everyone’s bank
accounts and confiscated their savings.
One computer programmer said: “Sure, the
government eventually gave us all our money back.
But they replaced the old, nearly worthless
currency with a new currency that was worth even
less. Millions who had savings wound up with
virtually nothing.â€
And all of this was only a small part of the
want and humiliation the people would suffer. In
the end, the people were doomed to decades of
intense financial pain, shame and lost personal
liberty. Unbelievable? Well, I can assure you every
one of these stories is true .
From martin weiss:
ï® The median wealth of U.S. families has plunged more than 30%!
ï® Nearly a third of American families are underwater on their mortgages!
ï® The official unemployment rate remains stubbornly above 8% and has been there ever
since February 2009, the longest stretch in the 64 years the government has been
keeping track!
ï® Broader definitions of unemployment give you a true rate of 22.9% â€" and almost onethird of those unfortunate enough to have lost their jobs have been out of work for more
than a year. That’s the worst in U.S. history!
ï® A staggering 43.6 million Americans, many formerly from the middle class, are now living
in poverty â€" more than at any time since the government began keeping records!
ï® Nearly one-fifth of U.S. household income now comes from government assistance of
some kind!
ï® Lastly, a record one in seven Americans is now living on food stamps!
Q. What kind of impact do you see from the outcome of the presidential election on our
country’s debts and deficits?
A. Virtually none, unfortunately. The Fiscal Cliff looms regardless of who wins. And despite
the tax hikes and spending cuts, history proves that U.S. debts can grow rapidly under both Republican and Democratic administrations. That’s especially true today with the Fed enabling the spending addicts in Washington by pegging interest rates to the floor. When will that change? Only
when investors rebel and start dumping bonds, because of our debt problems, will politicians be
forced to truly reduce deficits.
From martin weiss
More recently, we warned our Safe Money members that the bailout-crazed policies of governments around
the world â€" and the massive surge in government debts â€" would transform the PRIVATE credit crisis into a
SOVEREIGN credit crisis. Sure enough, we’re now seeing entire COUNTRIES pushed to the brink of failure,
rather than just banks!
So it should have been the banks that failed,now its whole countries!triffid
The U.S. government is getting desperate. And
like all governments that get desperate, it’s starting to
turn on its citizens. Dodd-Frank is just one in a long
line of legislation that can strip you of your personal
and financial liberty:
The Patriot Act trampled Fourth Amendment rights.
The Obama administration expanded wiretaps
that were widely attacked as illegal during the Bush
administration.
Secret databases contain information on your
travel habits and prescription drug usage.
Passports may be withheld until debts are paid.
Forced forfeiture of half of your assets is now
the penalty for anyone who chooses to renounce
U.S. citizenship.
Limits on what you can and can’t invest in are
very possible.
And this may be just the beginning
A link to Dodd-Frank [size=78%]http://www.sec.gov/spotlight/dodd-frank.shtml (http://www.sec.gov/spotlight/dodd-frank.shtml)[/size]
Triff, did you see the debate? Romney did very good. ;]
Mags
No,but I read the paper the next morning and saw that he had seemed to do ok.Seems he wants to reduce taxes by 20%?Im for that too but I am afraid he will say anything to get into power and do what he wants to later.I have spent the day reading another book.It may be a life changing book too.Its called " the last chance millionaire-its not too late to become wealthy" by Douglas R. Andrew.He says a baby girl born today has a very good chance of living to be 137 years old.He has a new approach to retirement planning.triffid
Sept 12.2012 edition of larouche weekly meeting http://larouchepac.com/node/23883 (http://larouchepac.com/node/23883) hyperinflation in europe and america and asteroids
A ten foot across asteroid hit the earths atmosphere just 3 years ago.It blew up high in the atmosphere.triffid
I went to my favorite thrift store and picked up more books.$1.50 each for hardback.Buy one get one free.I got"how to smell a rat"-"The five signs of financial fraud".It was written to help protect investors from the likes of Bernie Madoff.By Ken Fisher with Lara Hoffman.
Bernies Ponzi scheme went on for 20 years until the recessions of 2008 and 2009 flushed him out out along with others(cons).He does describe how the stock market works so you know when you are getting a snow job.
advisors with direct access to investor funds,firms with numbers that seem to good to be true,managers with fees that are too low-Madoff didn't charge any fees,he just charged for trading.
triffid
Another link to Martin Weiss about money reform in the USA.Lots of good articles related to the USA money crisis. http://www.sounddollarcampaign.com/ (http://www.sounddollarcampaign.com/) triffid
The Campaign for a Sound Dollar was created for a single purpose â€" to secure a balanced federal budget by 2020, and keep it balanced into the future.We're a non-partisan movement for restoring financial sanity in Washington. Building on the Legacy of J. Irving Weiss and the Sound Dollar Committee of 1959 ... we are demanding that Congress balance the Federal Budget by 2020 â€" two presidential terms from the next election.
In addition to a real balanced budget â€" not the smoke and mirror kind â€" we are demanding that Congress reduce deficit spending by 11.3% each fiscal year through 2020.
We believe that a debt-averse Congress â€" held accountable by debt-averse Americans â€" will bring back a Sound Dollar ... and renewed prosperity for America!
This marks the second year in a row that the Social Security system is taking in less money than it's paying out.So SS is already not taking in enough money to offset money flowing out,Never mind that happening in 2017.Its happening now!
The only two recent pieces of legislation Washington has passed each resulted in EVEN LESS money going into the Social Security program!
Oh sure, they gave these laws big, happy names. And that was on purpose ... because if they had named them appropriately, millions of Americans would have been storming the Capitol with pitchforks.
The first one, called the "Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010," was signed into law by President Obama on December 17, 2010.
The second one, called "The Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of 2012," is basically a continuation of the original legislation and was approved by Obama on February 22.
The basic idea was simple: Stimulate the economy by putting more money back into all our pockets. You know, good-old fashioned tax cuts.
Hey, who in their right mind would argue with that, right?
Except for one little problem: The tax they cut is the amount of money today's workers contribute to Social Security.
So this new law is the same thing as telling you to withdraw some money from your 401(k) and go spend it now to get the economy going.
Sounds like a great idea for the next couple months but it will be absolutely disastrous over the long-term ... especially if your 401(k) is already running on empty.
Haven't our elected officials learned anything from the last million times they raided the Social Security trust fund?
It's the very definition of insanity â€" doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome each time!In my opinion, all this points to one simple fact: Politicians are so concerned with getting elected (or re-elected) that they'd rather keep stealing more money right out of our national retirement account and worry about the consequences later.
So when they're asked about it on national television, they simply brush the issue under the rug, smile for the cameras, and move on to the next topic.
Best wishes.
Quote from: triffid on October 03, 2012, 07:19:10 PM
In Brazil in 2004
Ultimately, inflation exploded to over two
thousand percent. That’s when the government got
so desperate it summarily froze everyone’s bank
accounts and confiscated their savings.
One computer programmer said: “Sure, the
government eventually gave us all our money back.
But they replaced the old, nearly worthless
currency with a new currency that was worth even
less. Millions who had savings wound up with
virtually nothing.â€
And all of this was only a small part of the
want and humiliation the people would suffer. In
the end, the people were doomed to decades of
intense financial pain, shame and lost personal
liberty. Unbelievable? Well, I can assure you every
one of these stories is true .
Triffid, concerning your posted Reply #3101,
This...
http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Massive-wealth-destruction-economy/2012/07/24/id/446424?PROMO_CODE=F8E7-1 (http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Massive-wealth-destruction-economy/2012/07/24/id/446424?PROMO_CODE=F8E7-1)
...can bring about the conditions you, I and others have written about on this thread. The economy will indeed collapse.
I'm ready, even though I live in a large city on the West Coast. Good luck to all who've read and replied comments on this thread. We may all need the luck to survive.
--Lee
the big M:
Thanks for that link, good call at this time. For those that think that things will improve... wake up!
The economy is just one of the factors, the weather conditions, solar flares, and ... will all affect us.
Get ready!
Quote from: NickZ on October 10, 2012, 12:20:03 PM
Get ready!
how many rounds would you suggest? and what caliber?
Good question. No rounds for me, yet. But, if I were you, I'd buy as many rounds as you can afford, bigger caliper the better, or shotgun, maybe. And a secret and secure hiding place to put it, along with any valuables. As mentioned thieves love guns, almost as much as money.
Mean dogs work for food. They are a cheap investment, if you can afford to feed them. Bars on the windows, alarm systems, etz... like we have to have here, already. The harder you make it for them to get to you the better off you'll be.
A home vegetable garden does not grow overnight, or in your cold winters. Greenhouse may help, some. I've seen some orientals grow their own food indoors under grow lights, where it won't get stolen. Pump their own well water, make a fish pond, use electric everything that runs on solar panels.
But, none of this can be done on the 10 floor apartment, so leave the city, while you can.
Those that don't head the call, well, good luck. You'll need it...
Since the China solar panel market is broke, the price of panels will shortly drop. Thank God... as we'll need them if and when the grid goes down, along with the economy.
Trade the gasoline gussler for an electric vehicle, while you can.
That's what I plan on doing, ASAP! It much easier to do, when money still means something, before we see that it may not.
We don't have to save the world, we have to save ourselves.
I hope that I have not bored you all, I know that you've heard it all before, but... this is where I'm headed, if I can.
NickZ
Quote from: NickZ on October 10, 2012, 12:20:03 PM
the big M:
Thanks for that link, good call at this time. For those that think that things will improve... wake up!
The economy is just one of the factors, the weather conditions, solar flares, and ... will all affect us.
Get ready!
Right. Couldn't have said it any better.
It's all 'coming to a head', as it were, but you might do better if you're strong; smart;
adaptable(especially!); resourceful; knowledgable; prepared; in good health at the start; have the necessary endurance; have
real(!) determination to survive; weapons(if necessary); well-supplied(guns and ammo, included) and aren't afaaid to defend your live to whatever extent is required to survive.
I think I covered just about everything I could think of, offhand.
Do what it takes!!!
--Lee
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 10, 2012, 01:24:39 PM
how many rounds would you suggest? and what caliber?
Not an issue with me. I'm not legally allowed to own a gun. Nothing I did illegal, it's a mental thing.
Oh, BTW, Wilby..., I don't mind telling you about this now, since it's 'all coming crashing' for the economy down in a few months at the latest, anyway. You did ask, "When was it coming?", didn't you?
Okay, fine.
You have your answer. So does everyone else.
I do have a legally functional daisho with a katana and a wakizashi on a display stand---in plain sight of anyone who looks at it, in my personal residence. All legal. These swords are sharp enough to do this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XcgB-RqwJE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XcgB-RqwJE)
...and this sword is from a competing manufacturer, but essentially the same sword in component construction...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2I2HCm-6UI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2I2HCm-6UI&feature=related)
...and that's a presentation of one of the swords I have. The other is just as sharp, just 8" longer and twice as heavy(a katana).
I'll do what it takes to defend myself. I'll just do it as legally as I know how.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on October 10, 2012, 03:48:00 PM
it's a mental thing.
obviously... ::)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on October 10, 2012, 03:48:00 PM
Oh, BTW, Wilby..., I don't mind telling you about this now, since it's 'all coming crashing' for the economy down in a few months at the latest, anyway. You did ask, "When was it coming?", didn't you?
Okay, fine.
You have your answer. So does everyone else.
yeah... ::) you've been saying "it's coming soon" for over 2 years... ::)
whatever chicken little...
[/quote]
It's been coming for more than two years. But, few are preparing for it. I am, at least in the best way that I can for a lot longer than just the last few years. It is a mental thing, also. We have to be mentally prepared. May be as important as physically prepared
How many cans of food can be stored? A months worth? Two, or three months worth of supplies???
How long was Moises walking in the desert? Years? What did all those people eat that whole time, date palms?
Wooly mammoths froze to death in a very short time. Practically instantly.
The more I say the worse it is taken, but I think that you know what I mean, and if you don't, well, that's ok.
We can't die, our spirit is immortal. We have mission to accomplish, and our survival may be all that is expected of us. There is no flunking this course...
Screw the torpedoes-- we going in. Or, something like that.
Martin Weiss says hyperinflation is coming with the central bankers in europe and the USA printing all that money.No fear mongering about that.You may still get your ssi and ss checks but the money will be worth less and less.As it is the SS is a great big ponzi scheme except its run by the government.So its legal.I live less than a mile from the missippi river so no water shortage there.I live about two miles from a major c oa os oi on oa.
so free coffee and soda,just play the penny machines() a little.The other night I took $2.00 there and came home with$2.60.I made money for coffee at mcdonalds the next morning.With a little luck I will own this house Im living in.Im opting for a lump sum out of my pension.So maybe I can buy this house from the rest of my family?I still dont have any guns.I was told to get a big dog instead.A thief can steal your gun and use it on you,but very few of them want to fool with something that has teeth and claws.Both of my neighbors on both sides have big dogs.So lots of warning there.I have an army surplus wood burning stove.I have a basement.triffid
Seems that the software here will not print certain words. c oa os oi on oa.
Last week from Lindsay Williams I heard that a 40% devaluation of your USA dollars is coming.The banks will close on a monday and by the following friday your dollars will be worth 40 percent less.He talks a lot about the plans of the elite a lot!He also talks about how some of their plans don't happen on time?Shows me they can be slowed down by events?triffid
My financial books I bought at a steep discount are giving me alternatives to SS.Seems that 1.75 million dollars of US bonds paying 2 percent will replace the money I used to make at my last job.Per year.Its getting to the point that you need to start buying bonds for your baby boy or girl beginning at birth.
Nickz ,you said"Wooly mammoths froze to death in a very short time. Practically instantly."I saw a show on this.It seems that once every 23,000 years or so the crust flips so that summer places become winter places and winter places become summer places.It would explain
why those wooly mammoths still had undigested buttercups in their stomachs.Maybe the sky changed overhead in a matter of a few minutes?If they were far enough inland not to get washed off their feet?Then the sky would change and the snow started coming down in a matter of minutes?!? triffid
Very scary to think about indeed!Maybe Alantis was the Antarctic?
The crust we stand on is only about 50 miles thick,the rest is liquid magma.triffid
Big M,the guys at McDonald's were discussing the food banks and churches that give out free meals here in the st.Louis area.They said theres no need for someone to go hungry here.Of course all of that could change real quick!I went to a food bank yesterday.And got bread,fruit,vegetables.Some chicken wings.It was like a treasure hunt.triffid
I am trying to stock up on canned goods.I buy two or three extra.I used to buy mixed vegetables but they went up in price to 79 cents so now I buy sliced carrots instead at 59 cents a can.I use carrots in noodles and soups.A flat of eggs cost me $3.50 one week
then the next week it cost me $3.00. Eggs do not go into the icebox.They keep at cool temps for about a month or longer.Packs of hot dogs can keep for over a month out of the icebox.Unopened that is ,if they are cheese filled put them in the icebox or they will spoil.
If I think something is spoiled I either dont eat it or eat it and drink apple cider vineagar water at the same time.One teaspoon of apple cider vinegar to 8 ozs water is the formula.triffid
From Martin Weiss:
Three powerful forces now stand in the way of new, massive rounds of money printing:
First, central banks have run into the law of diminishing returns â€" more QEs, but less
and less impact.
Second, investors don’t believe it. The more money that’s poured onto the flames
of the crisis, the more money just ends up being squirreled away in safe havens.
Third, German authorities are fed up. And although they may give in a bit to the demands of a Spain or France anxious to print money and engineer bigger bailouts, overall,
they’re drawing a line in the sand, saying, in effect, “No more!â€
triffid i hope that when you say out of the ice box you mean out of the freezer.hot dogs will keep for months in the freezer, with a little effort you can break off what you need for a meal.
eating spoiled food is not a good idea.
fritznien
I was pretty sure I would survive with no ill effects.A trick I will use again If I feel the need to.I found another writer who seems to be on top of the situations around the world,Meet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palast)t
http://www.linktv.org/programs/heist (http://www.linktv.org/programs/heist)
Heist: Who Stole the American Dream? is stunning audiences across the globe, as it exposes the real truth behind the worldwide economic collapse, tracing its origins to a 1971 secret memo entitled "Attack on American Free Enterprise System." Written over 40 years ago by the future Supreme Court Justice Lewis Powell at the behest of the US Chamber of Commerce, the six-page memo, a free-market utopian treatise, called for a money-fueled big business makeover of government through corporate control of the media, academia, the pulpit, arts and sciences, and the destruction of organized labor and consumer protection groups.
Sound familiar? Today's crisis and heart stopping headlines can be directly traced to Powell's real "end game," which was business control of law and politics. Powell's fingerprints are all over Citizens United, the fateful Supreme Court decision which gave corporations and the super rich unlimited ability to shape our elections with virtually unrestricted donations. Heist exposes in detail the systemic implementation of Powell's memo by both US political parties over the last forty years culminating in the deregulation of industry, outsourcing of jobs, and regressive taxation. All of which led us to the global financial crisis of 2008 and the continued dismantling of the American middle class.
Today, politics is the playground of the rich and powerful, with no thought given to the hopes and dreams of ordinary Americans. No other film goes as deeply asHeist in explaining the greatest heist of our time. Moving beyond the white noise of today's polarizing media, Heist provides viewers with a clear, concise and fact-based explanation of how we got into this mess, and what we need to do to restore our representative democracy.
If you vote through the mail they can deny you your vote.If you vote show up in person so you have no doubt your vote was accepted.Yes the voter fraud is still going on today according to Greg Palast.triffid
http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/24/justice-department-scandal-greg-palast/ (http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/24/justice-department-scandal-greg-palast/)
Palast's investigation into the Bush family fortunes for his column in The Observer led him to uncover a connection to a company called ChoicePoint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChoicePoint). In an October 2008 interview Palast said that before the 2000 Election ChoicePoint "was purging the voter rolls of Florida under a contract with a lady named Katherine Harris, the Secretary of State. They won a contract, a important]bid contract (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palast#) with the state, with the highest bid."[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palast#cite_note-Greg_Palast:_Steal_Back_Your_Vote-7)
After subsequently noticing a large proportion of African-American voters were claiming their names had disappeared from voter rolls in Florida in the 2000 election, Palast launched a full-scale investigation into voter fraud, the results of which were broadcast in the UK by the BBC on their Newsnight[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palast#cite_note-8) show prior to the 2004 Election. Palast claimed to have obtained computer discs from Katherine Harris' office, which contained caging (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caging_(voter_suppression)) lists of "voters matched by race and tagged as felons.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palast#cite_note-Greg_Palast:_Steal_Back_Your_Vote-7) "
Palast appeared in the 2003 documentary film, Florida Fights Back! Resisting the Stolen Election (http://www.floridafightsback.com/), along with Vincent Bugliosi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Bugliosi), Former L.A. Deputy D.A. & Author of " The Betrayal of America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Betrayal_of_America)", and including footage from the 2001 Washington D.C. Voter Rights March[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palast#cite_note-9) with founder Lou Posner (http://www.louisposner.com/). Palast also appeared in the 2004 documentary Orwell Rolls in His Grave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell_Rolls_in_His_Grave), which focuses on the hidden mechanics of the media.
Palast alleges that Andrés Manuel López Obrador (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9s_Manuel_L%C3%B3pez_Obrador) â€" and not Felipe Calderón (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felipe_Calder%C3%B3n) â€" won Mexico's last presidential election.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palast#cite_note-10)
In May 2007, Palast said he'd received 500 emails (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email) that former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove) exchanged through an account supplied by the Republican National Committee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_National_Committee). Palast says the emails show a plan to target likely Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Democratic_Party) voters with extra scrutiny over their home addresses, and he also believes Rove's plan was a factor in the firing of U.S. Attorneys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Attorney).[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palast#cite_note-11)
After Palast was invited by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy,_Jr.) to appear on his Air America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_(radio_network)) talk show to discuss, among other things, election fraud, the pair teamed up to find out if democracy was in a better state in 2008. In their report, which was published in October 2008 in Rolling Stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Stone), they concluded that the 2008 Election had already been stolen. "If Democrats are to win the 2008 election, they must not simply beat John McCain at the polls -- they must beat him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering", Palast and Kennedy summarized.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palast#cite_note-12)
To combat the extensive acts of voter suppression that Palast and Kennedy uncovered, the duo launched a campaign called Steal Back Your Vote,[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palast#cite_note-13) which features a website and free downloadable voter guide / adult comic book.
I came up with another idea that might help me out with intruders.Put up several" beware of dog signs" even though I have no dogs here.
triffid
http://www.gregpalast.com/store/ (http://www.gregpalast.com/store/)
Billionaires & Ballot Bandits Prevent the Theft of 2012â€"and get a tax deduction Billionaires & Ballot Bandits: How to Steal an Election in 9 Easy Steps. Palast's new book on election bending. Out Now! Order our new elections guide book which includes a comic exposing the attempt to Steal 2012 by a combination of billionaires' hidden cash and vote heists. Donate $50 (http://www.gregpalast.com/store/?id=52) for a signed copy of the book Billionaires & Ballot Bandits: How to Steal an Election in 9 Easy Steps.
http://larouchepac.com/home?n=24186&l=28 (http://larouchepac.com/home?n=24186&l=28) to save the nation part 2 by Larouch
Mentions threat of thermonuclear war again,mentions Turkey ,Syria.
When Mr. PBS Bumblebrain asked you the difference between your views and Gov. Romney’s on Social Security, you said, “You know, I suspect that, on Social Security, we’ve got a somewhat similar position.â€
Really, Mr. President, REALLY?
Romney says that if you’re 38 or 54, it doesn’t matter that you’ve paid into Medicare and Social Security all your life, you don’t get the insurance you paid for. You get some stinking voucher, some coupon that says, “Here’s a hundred bucks kid, go buy a gold watch.â€
Who exactly is going to take a voucher to provide health insurance to a 72-year-old with asthma, in a walker and prostate problems?
Governor Romney said, with that smirky, smarmy grin, “I’d assume I’d rather have a private [health] plan.†Gee, Mr. Romney, could you give me the number of your insurance company and tell them to take my “voucher�
Quote from: triffid on October 12, 2012, 04:57:24 PM
Big M,the guys at McDonald's were discussing the food banks and churches that give out free meals here in the st.Louis area.They said theres no need for someone to go hungry here.Of course all of that could change real quick!I went to a food bank yesterday.And got bread,fruit,vegetables.Some chicken wings.It was like a treasure hunt.triffid
Hey, triffid,
Sorry I haven't replied more often. I'm being treated for skin cancer at the V.A. as I write. But, you're right, the panhandling bums here in San Francisco piss me off when they say they want a quarter for "a cup of coffee."
If someone doesn't use and utilize the services provided by the City and State, they deserve to starve. No excuse for it, unless they're just lazy, crazy, or and incurable alcoholic. A lot of them live in 'The Tenderloin' district near downtown where I used to live myself. I know whereof I speak.
If it isn't the economy hovering on collapse, it's the
possible threat of mass worldwide life die-off on Winter Solstice in Dec., 2012.
If it isn't one thing, it's another.
--Lee
Hi Big M,I guess the best news I had in a while is that those on SS will get a 1.7 % increase as until they change it, SS is connected to cost of living raises(inflation).I know they will change SS in the future in some manner.But they are crazy to think that millions of senior citizens who are barely able to walk can compete in a almost nonexistance job market with people younger than themselves.My 7 or 8 financial books from the thriftstore are proving to be a goldmine for me.Most of those books do not have the 2008-2009 recession in them but 2000-2001 is there.I hope that Martin Weiss can guide me thru the worst of whats coming?Shrinking money supply beginning in 2013 for the next 10 years is just one of the shocks coming along with a 90% reduction in some bank stocks(not all of course).I am already changing some of my plans due to one life changing book.Insurance retirement accounts appear to be the way to go for me(i need to get one).Your money is in the market but not directly so you do not lose it when a downswing occurs.You get one percent increase but not the minus 30 percent a mutual fund can hand you.Or a stock can hand you.triffid
I'm going to another food bank tomorrow.
Big M,I am hoping that you are successful in getting your skin cancer treated but I'm not too thrilled at conventional treatments.Bloodroot ointment is what I would try for skin cancer.Chowing down on apple seeds for vitamin b-17.For cancer already spreading in your body.
Peach seed kernals(the nut inside a peach seed) is harmless to your normal cells but deadly to cancer cells.Of course a regular doctor will steer you away from these natural cures.Chemo and radiation are such big money makers for big Med.triffid
When i was younger I worked for two years in a hospital in oklahoma.We had regular meetings in which we were told doctors were not Gods.But that so many patients considered them to be so.Leg needs to come off? OK doctor! You know best!triffid
Sometimes a leg does need to come off but you are the customer,always get a second opinion.triffid
Here is an interesting link to a guy who says Russia did threaten war and now China too?
http://brainbender.blogspot.com/2011/05/stop-provoking-china.html (http://brainbender.blogspot.com/2011/05/stop-provoking-china.html) triffid
The result of this is that China has issued an ultimatum to the US that if we attack Pakistan again overtly or covertly, China will retaliate. What many people don't realize, is that the special interests in control of the US government have been trying to create the right crisis for decades now to spawn WW3. Israel-Turkey, Pakistan-India, North-South Korea. It doesn't matter to these people whose main objective is to destroy the Constitution of the United States.
http://brainbender.blogspot.com/2011/05/why-nato-invaded-lybia.html (http://brainbender.blogspot.com/2011/05/why-nato-invaded-lybia.html)
RT (Russian Television) reports the real reason NATO went after Gaddafi in Libya. It wasn't to protect the demonstrators, or for the oil. What Gaddafi was trying to do was set up his own currency (the gold dinar). It was Gaddafi's aim to get Africa and the Middle East to accept this new currency and only trade oil and other resources in gold instead of ever depreciating USDollars like they do now. If Gaddafi had been successful, many countries would have been drained of their gold supplies and forced to purchase oil and many other needed resources from the Middle East and Africa only in gold.
In 1990, Saddam Hussein tried to evade the Petro-Dollar system by trading oil in Euros. This threat to the World Central Banking system was the major reason for Gulf War 1. Recently, Iran has made deals with China and Russia to trade oil in Yuan. Consequently, many experts agree that world banking elite are looking for any excuse to move against Iran.
More nasty stuff,If you want to read it here it is,no comment from me.
http://brainbender.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00:00-07:00&updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00-07:00&max-results=48 (http://brainbender.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00:00-07:00&updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00-07:00&max-results=48) triffid
I bought more financial books today from my favorite thrift store.I got an economics course workbook.While I was out I went by a foodbank,picked up some free cookies and two loaves of bread.Seems that there is still help for people in the st.louis area with their electric and gas bills.Its first come,first serve.I think most Americans are clueless when it comes to investing,Goals not too clearly defined,or a lack of knowledge,or something like that.People gotta read.Everythings not on TV.triffid
If you shoot yourself in your own foot,Doctors will treat you so you recover from the wound but they and other people will be wondering about your ability to take care of yourself.
Todays a bad day for a lot of people living on the east coast.Consider yourself lucky today if you are not having to flee a coming storm for your life.Today some 50 million Americans are at risk and financial markets in New York City are closed. http://news.yahoo.com/superstorm-bears-down-us-east-coast-residents-flee-130017590.html (http://news.yahoo.com/superstorm-bears-down-us-east-coast-residents-flee-130017590.html) triffid
NEW YORK, N.Y. - Forecasters warned that the New York City region could face the worst of Hurricane Sandy as it bore down on the U.S. East Coast's largest cities Monday, forcing the shutdown of financial markets and mass transit, sending coastal residents fleeing and threatening high winds, rain and a wall of water up to 11 feet (3.35 metres) tall. It could endanger up to 50 million people for days.
Well the election is over.And Obama is our leader again.I was not for Romney.I felt that him winning would drain the rest of the money out of the united states.I felt that Obama would lead us into nuclear war.That reminds to be seen I guess.I talked to one guy about it yesterday and he said hes not afraid of the Russians.So maybe enough people will be afraid of nuclear war to prevent it no matter what side they are on?triffid
Some info on the economy:
Ben Bernake tells Milton Friedman that he was right all along that the FED and not tariffs (Elder Reed Smoot) caused the Great Depression by contracting the money supply. Ben Bernake makes several speeches about how contracting the money supply in a fractional reserve banking system will trigger a depression. and that the FED was responsible for the Depression and not tariffs. Bank of International Settlement Basil I Accords contract money supply in Japan causing Japanese Lost Decade. 2007, Bank of International Settlement Basil 2 Accords limit fractional reserve requirements, and together with LIBOR manipulation, and housing market abuse, triggering the Great Recession. Exactly what happened to Japan happened to the US. TARP, QE2, QE3 are zero-percent loans by the Federal Government used to supply banks with money which they purchase their own stock and are purchasing US bonds which artificially props up the stock market. Sterilization is keeping the money out of the real economy where it can trigger greater inflation.
I read one source that said the feds reduced the money supply by a total of 35 percent which brought on the great depression of the 1930's.
Quote from: triffid on October 26, 2012, 01:48:44 AM
I bought more financial books today from my favorite thrift store.
triffid:
AFAIK and IMHO, you might need them after the first of the year.
When Obama was reelected, the possible economic collapse scenarios became fewer, but not any less drastic.
There's a legal fiscal cliff approaching the country after Jan. 1. 3 or 3.5 trillion dollars will leave the economy by program cuts, mainly. Tax cuts enacted by the GOP will end and then cost many Americans several thousand dollars a year in higher taxes.
Congress and Wall Street, I believe, are not taking this 'fiscal cliff' seriously, as usual. To their detriment, as usual.
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I got an economics course workbook.While I was out I went by a foodbank,picked up some free cookies and two loaves of bread.Seems that there is still help for people in the st.louis area with their electric and gas bills.Its first come,first serve.I think most Americans are clueless when it comes to investing,Goals not too clearly defined,or a lack of knowledge,or something like that.People gotta read.Everythings not on TV.triffid
I'm ready for whatever happens. Some OU.com Members also may not take this seriously enough, but I've done what I can, myself.
--Lee
Hi Big M, here is what Larouch thinks of the Obama reelection.
http://larouchepac.com/home?n=24406&l=2 (http://larouchepac.com/home?n=24406&l=28)
I personly think Obama will be better ,Like you said fewer shocks.Overall for the economy.I have been reading my financial books as fast as I can.I found some great Stuff.One great truth is that most Americans know very little about economics for the past 100 years.
Quote from: triffid on November 07, 2012, 05:16:12 PM
Hi Big M, here is what Larouch thinks of the Obama reelection.
http://larouchepac.com/home?n=24406&l=2 (http://larouchepac.com/home?n=24406&l=28)
I'll have to look at it further when I have more time.
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I personly think Obama will be better
Well, I think they would have been about the same, but I would have preferred Obama, no matter what.
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,Like you said fewer shocks.Overall for the economy.
Uh, that "Fiscal Cliff" has the potential to be devastating. The ancient Roman Empire collapsed for some of the same reasons that we're doing to the economy now. This time it's not the reduction of the money supply, it'll be the bank interest and the burden of debt that'll do the trick.
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I have been reading my financial books as fast as I can.I found some great Stuff.One great truth is that most Americans know very little about economics for the past 100 years.
When I was in a high quality transitional homeless shelter for 2 yrs, in the local slum here in S.F., I had cable TV and CNN was one of the default channels. I had plenty of opportunity to learn the
basics of national and international economics.
But, you're right. People don't
even! know what little I know and I'm not a professional economist, by any means. I just have a good mind for how money works in this country.
--Lee
You are right.Bank debt will pull us all down!It should be just banks failing.Now its whole countries!Bank debt became the countries debt when we bailed them out!When china refuses to buy anymore of our debt.Thats when the ----- will hit the fan.triffid
I bought two more financial books yesterday.One is a real golden nugget,"Ordinary People-Extraordinary Wealth"
The 8 secrets of how 5000 ordinary Americans became Successful Investors -And you can too.cc. 2000,2001.by Ric Edelman.
He basically says anyone can become wealthy by following simple rules.The rich get richer he says because they do things that make them rich while the poor get poorer by doing things that make them poor.What I liked most about this guy is that he draws knowledge from his real life clients.Clients who were not born rich but had to get there on their own efforts.I had followed some of his rules eariler in my life
(I had read a different book) and I was always richer for it.
1) save 10 percent of what you earn
2)invest it in stocks
3)do it each month
4)pretend you don't have it
5)do this for eight years or longer.
http://www.ricedelman.com/ (http://www.ricedelman.com/) he has a website too!
he says: The second issue, which pundits call the "fiscal cliff", is formally known as sequestration. In August 2011, Congress and the White House avoided (at the last minute) a government shutdown by agreeing to impose a strict reduction in spending starting January 1, 2013. Left unchanged, $1.2 trillion must be removed from federal spending over nine years according to the law.
The reduction in spending is meant to prevent the federal debt from increasing – it's $16 trillion and climbing. But instead of gradually reducing spending, the law (the Budget Control Act of 2011) imposes major, swift reductions in spending on January 1. So, instead of gradually reducing expenses over many years (imagine going down a gentle slope), federal spending will drop quickly (like falling off a ledge). In other words, a fiscal cliff.
http://dailytradealert.com/2012/11/11/what-obamas-win-means-for-your-wallet/ (http://dailytradealert.com/2012/11/11/what-obamas-win-means-for-your-wallet/)
If you have family in the armed forces, be prepared for even tougher times ahead. The Department of Defense will almost surely go on a diet, even as it invests in new ships and other hardware. That means fewer soldiers and smaller benefit packages for those who remain in the military.
If you are a school teacher, count on pay freezes and further job cuts. In the first part of his first administration, Obama sought to support states with funds that protect teachers' jobs. At the time, the move was seen as a stopgap in hopes that a firmer economy would restore state-level finances back up to historical levels. Now, lower state tax receipts appear to be the norm, and Washington is a lot less inclined to help out states at this point. A similar trend may play out among our nation's firefighters and police officers — unless crime statistics spike higher.
A smaller government is also likely to impact anyone living within commuting distance of Washington, D.C. The economy in that region has held up better than most, thanks in part to the still robust food chain of lobbyists and their spending. Fewer government employees, and fewer lobbyist dollars, are bound to create a drag on D.C.'s economy.
Also, look for more user fees on the goods and services you buy. The government won't formally call these tax hikes, but a reduction in federal contributions to state and local programs means the money will have to come from somewhere — namely you. From highway tolls to DMV registrations to arts programs, get set for local and state governments to boost their slice of the taxing pie.
This is Nova's story of the stock market mentality that in 2008 led to 14 trillion dollars of wealth decline.About an hour long.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/196872 triffid
Wyoming's backup plan POSTED ON MARCH 2, 2012, AT 12:48 PM A Wyoming legislator has introduced a bill designed to restore order when the nation's economy and social structure collapse by having the state issue its own currency. Republican David Miller says he wants to protect Wyoming residents from "catastrophic events," noting, "Things happen quickly sometimes — look at Libya, look at Egypt.
Maybe Wyoming knows more than we do?
http://larouchepac.com/home?n=24462&l=28 Larouch on averting the fiscal cliff.ten and a half mins long. triffid
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/foreign-holdings-us-debt-hit-151426289.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/foreign-holdings-us-debt-hit-151426289.html)
The good news is that they are still buying our debt.
China holds only 1.16 trillion of our debt.
Japan has 1.13 trillion of our debt too.
Total out there is 5.46 trillion held by foreigners.
7 steps to a 720 credit score http://www.14daycreditchallenge.com/savememoney/
I listened to an hour long webinar and the written pages at the link is a repeat of his video.
triffid
Certain major credit card companies make a habit of reporting your limit incorrectly to the credit bureaus. Let's say you have a $2,000 limit. These harmful credit card companies report that your limit is only $500.
If you carry one of these credit cards, your score will not improve as quickly as if you carry a credit card thatdoes report the proper limit. In fact, your score might drop.
So how often do you think this happens? Well, there was a Federal Reserve Study recently that told us exactly how often credit card companies report the incorrect limit.There's a 46% Chance This Is Happening to You!
That's right: 46% of credit card companies report the wrong limit, which means that almost half of the cards that you have in your wallet are probably hurting your credit score.
Adding insult to injury: These credit card companies are intentionally misreporting your limit!
This really makes me mad. You've already been through a difficult financial time and let's face it ... You are responsible for paying your bills, but a lot of the responsibility lies elsewhere, doesn't it?
True, you got in over your head, but the banks and the lenders and even the government had a hand in that... I don't want to get all worked up, but that's the truth of the matter...
And now the banks—the same banks we bailed out with our taxpayer dollars—are intentionally reporting the wrong limit? How can you ever win?
Here's the thing: If you sign up for a credit card that doesn't report the proper limit, your score is going to drop. And the credit card companies are never going to tell you that they don't report proper limits. Of course not.
Obviously, I go much deeper into this during the 14-Day Credit Challenge, but really quickly, I want to tell you why it hurts your score.
A big part of your score is the balance you carry as a percentage of your limit. If credit card companies are misreporting your limit, it throws your balance-to-limit ratio out of whack, and your score plummets.
Okay, so in my program, we cover how to fix this and get the proper limit reported.
Let Me Back Up ...
I know that I keep talking about how credit card companies and lenders often report the wrong information, so let me back up and explain why this happens ...
There are several reasons that mistakes get added to your credit report. Sometimes it's in the bank's best interest.
For instance, it's in a bank's best interest to report the wrong credit limit because doing so causes your credit score to drop. This means you are less likely to get a better credit card offer in the mail and switch credit cards. This is bad news for you, but it is good news for the credit card company.
And there's another reason that mistakes are added to your credit report.
It's a Nasty Secret
The credit card companies never check to make sure the information they report is accurate. The burden is on you. They can make a million mistakes, and you are the one who will spend time correcting these mistakes.
It really ticks me off, and I bet it ticks you off, too. Here is the reality... when you make a mistake with your credit – you pay more.
Here's the kicker. When they make a mistake with your credit report... you pay more!
It's a win/win for the banks... a lose/lose for you!
And mistakes happen all of the time. According to the United States Public Interest Research Group, 80% of people have an error on their credit report.
80%!
Now you can see how broken this system is.Its so evil!Banks and credit card companies and the government is in on it too!So we the people are fat gooses only to be plucked and stewed in our own juices by the banks and our own government!triffid
your making it harder than it is .
first pay off your card every month.
you don't need more than one card.
don't get a card with yearly fees.
if you must borrow get a line of credit or loan at a lower rate,pay it off.
now you can use a credit card and not pay interest or fees.
make it a habit to save up for the big stuff and soon your credit rating is a none issue.
i don't know what mine is and i don't care.
fritznien
Quote from: fritznien on November 20, 2012, 12:43:41 AM
your making it harder than it is .
first pay off your card every month.
you don't need more than one card.
don't get a card with yearly fees.
if you must borrow get a line of credit or loan at a lower rate,pay it off.
now you can use a credit card and not pay interest or fees.
make it a habit to save up for the big stuff and soon your credit rating is a none issue.
i don't know what mine is and i don't care.
fritznien
you're making it harder than it is... first, don't use credit cards. you don't need them.
Yes, those credit cards are a curse!Now to find out that nearly half of the companies were not playing fair with us golden gooses!triffid
The end for dummies! http://larouchepac.com/node/24308 (http://larouchepac.com/node/24308)
1. The estimated ability of mankind to continue to live under the presently reigning, but evolving conditions of our present Sun, is by no means a kind of arrangement designed to endure simply forever. As some academic estimates which had been kicked about among physical-science circuits, have indicated, there is an estimated range of about two billions years, until the Sun "explodes," or, a much earlier doom for human beings still remaining on Earth would occur.
2. Nonetheless, if there is no evidence, yet, that the human species itself, even if not also our present Sun, might actually become capable of outliving such kinds of currently "guess-timated" dates, that remains a possible option until shown otherwise.
On this account, mankind is already known to us as being, intrinsically, unlike any other species known to us as presently existing now, or having existed. Mankind is essentially unlike all other living creatures presently known to us here on Earth; mankind is, for us presently, the only known case of a form of life which has actually voluntarily creative capabilities. The practical challenge to be considered for our references, here, is: "Should we believe that our species, with its uniquely, categorical noëtic abilities, might, therefore, be capable of continuing to survive indefinitely?"
I have read that in two billion years that the very surface of the earth will be too hot for humans to live on.Even going underground would only buy a little time.So we need to go into space to survive or move the planet further out from the sun.triffid
I have a device in the backseat of my car that pushes the earth farther away from the sun.Its only a slight push so you may not notice it in your lifetime.But I believe that this device could "save" humans from an oven hot future earth!triffid
A few days ago I went back to my favorite thrift store and bought about 12 more financial books.I got ahold of another book by Harry S.Dent.Its called "The Roaring 2000' s Investor"CC1999.Hes the guy who believes in cycles.He also says that the size of the population is what causes problems in the economy and therefore certain aspects of the future can be predicted.He states in this book that the baby boomer group is 5 times bigger than the last group behind it.Says too that most of the countries in the world except for Japan had a baby boom in the years 1950-1957.He says too that the size of the middle class in a lot of other countries is smaller than the middle class in the united states.These are things I don't see in the papers or on the TV.triffid
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/first-person-graduating-down-economy-174200774--finance.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/first-person-graduating-down-economy-174200774--finance.html) news on graduating from college in a down economy.
Assuming the job market and economy doesn't recover in the next three or four years, my sons will be graduating into a recession just as I did back in the early 1990s. According to a new study (http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/articles/2012/03/20/why-gen-y-is-so-financially-frustrated) by Pew Research Center cited in U. S. News & World Report, half of people ages 18 to 34 are working at jobs they don't like just to pay the bills. Moreover 1 in 3 of young men and women in Generation Y (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/first-person-financial-lessons-millennial-sons-taught-183000587--finance.html) say they have delayed having children or marriage because of the recession. My sons are the youngest of the Gen-Y group that is currently facing hard decisions in life.
Lawmakers not doing much to avoid fiscal cliff http://news.yahoo.com/little-progress-fiscal-cliff-talks-senior-lawmaker-says-161636953--business.html No big surprise there.triffid
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. lawmakers have made little progress in the last 10 days toward a compromise to avoid the harsh tax increases and government spending cuts scheduled for January 1, a senior Democratic senator said on Sunday.
The United States is on course to slash its budget deficit nearly in half next year. Closing the gap that quickly, which in Washington is referred to as going over a "fiscal cliff," could easily trigger a recession.
"Unfortunately, for the last 10 days, with the House and Congress gone for the Thanksgiving recess ... much progress hasn't been made," Dick Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat, told ABC's "This Week" program.
A deadline is looming. Absent action by lawmakers and President Barack Obama, roughly $600 billion in tax increases and spending cuts will start to hit households and companies in early January.
This is what you get when your mininum wage is 22 cents an hour Mr.CEO. http://news.yahoo.com/bangladesh-garment-factory-fire-kills-120-042747909.html triffid
Yes,Mr.CEO they are learning ; More than 300 factories near the capital shut for almost a week earlier this year as workers demanded higher wages and better working conditions.
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/unemployment-benefits-payroll-tax-cut-really-risk-going-161508496.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/unemployment-benefits-payroll-tax-cut-really-risk-going-161508496.html) more fiscal cliff news.
In recent months, consumer confidence has risen as the unemployment rate has come down and the housing recovery builds momentum. This weekend's strong start to the holiday shopping season is another sign of an economy that's doing much better than feared.
Related: Black Friday Weekend by the Numbers (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/black-friday-weekend-numbers-121931083.html)
But the recession never ended for millions of Americans and many of them now face a frightening prospect: the loss of unemployment benefits.
"More than 40% of the nearly five million Americans who receive unemployment insurance are set to lose those benefits if federal programs expire as scheduled at year-end," The WSJ reports (http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324712504578133093359840804.html?mg=reno64-wsj). "Already this year, hundreds of thousands of people have exhausted their jobless benefits. Now, virtually everyone left in the federal programs would lose their benefits if the programs expire as scheduled at year-end."
The roughly 2.1 million Americans at risk are currently receiving benefits through federally backed programs that Congress approved starting in 2008. Those programs, designed to extend benefits beyond the six-month time frame typically offered by states, are now set to expire.
To Aryans Power,coffins don't scare me.We all die in our own time.Death is part of the natural order of things.Why be scared of dying?
It happens to all of us.I will see you on the other side given enough time.triffid
Quote from: ARYANS POWER on November 26, 2012, 05:28:17 PM
Death scares me not.
What scares me really is, how to send 38 mlns unfriendly catholics schnell to Auschwitz.
This is real problem already.
www.3rp.livejournal.com (http://www.3rp.livejournal.com)
What, no Jews left in Poland, so you pick another minority? Zeig heil!
Quote from: ARYANS POWER on November 27, 2012, 01:55:00 PM
In fact, Jews, bankers, and money is only a tool in the hands of Arian.
A tool to assess your soul, personality, the resulting behavior.
You were endowed with the will, the ability to act for the good of others, the common good.
Now please show what you have done since 1989 on this issue?
But to inform you in advance that the life of Catholics is now worse than the Jews at Auschwitz.
They will beg the Heavens for admission to Hell.
But even Satan will not come to their aid.
So as not to infect their stupidity.
:P
Because the other film was blocked on YT through anti-FEMA activists probably, here please another about:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fixYoQqQg3w (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fixYoQqQg3w)
I will tell you this, I am a Jew living in the USA, and it gives me great comfort to know that lunatics like you are relegated to the fringes of the Internet, writing livejournal entries that no one will ever read.
Quote from: ARYANS POWER on November 27, 2012, 04:39:37 PM
An absolutely you're right.
Now, even the winners Nobel Prize in physics, do not understand what they read.
But it will be You who will pay for their stupidity.
Pay for Your stupidity of others have.
Yes, but goosesteppers like you understand? Please, spare me. Go back to your friends at stormfront.
Our medicare went up 5.00 a month. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/medicare-premiums-going-5-month-201321974.html triffid
Aryans Power,You can goosestep all you want in the privacy of your home.But your "vile bile" is not wanted here so please stop posting here.Hitler is dead!End of discussion!triffid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17V1FPCy77c&feature=fvwrel just a link back to the vocaloids.Holographic performers from japan!
Not everyone can be another Bill Gates. Not everyone is the next Clarence Darrow. Not everyone is the next Albert Einstein. We are a collection of all kinds of people. Some of us are machinists. Some of us are IT people. Some of us are teachers. Some of us are mechanics. Some of us are people who can assemble things. Some of us are people who love to sew things. Like one of the prior people pointed out.....what can we pick up in the stores anymore than state "Made in the USA." Very little. That is why we are in such trouble. The bulk of our manufacturing jobs are located in other countries. Mostly in SE Asia. Wake up America. 42,000 plus factories have closed in this country over the past 10 years or so. Do you realize how many jobs were lost? Do you realize that most of those jobs are now being held by people who are not Americans in foreign lands, but the companies are still American companies? Do you think that American shareholders of these companies are reaping the bulk of the profits from the "change of venue" of these jobs. Jobs which now cost American companies $1 an hour instead of $20 an hour. The CEO's, Presidents and VP's of these companies are now part of the "super rich" in this country. It is time for American to wake up. A good share of our debt problems in Washington are due to the fact that the income tax base is trillions of $$ short because of all the lost manufacturing jobs to other countries. NAFTA does not work for most Americans. I believe I read that about 5% of Americans now own or control about 90% of American wealth and real assets. That was not the case 25 years ago or even 10 to 15 years ago. Until we require American companies to pay Americans to work in American factories, we will continue to see our standard of living diminish for all but the top 5 to 10% of Americans.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 02, 2012, 06:56:18 PM
WilbyInebriated, you almighty Genius, you:
You asked me when the collapse of the economy was going to occur, as you said I predicted in the beginning of this thread...?
Okay, Great One,
I'm hearing a persistent rumor that Sept to Nov. of this year---especially later, rather than soone---is when the economy will take a real hard kick in the balls, so to speak. I might add, "Dr." No(wak), the dastardly neo-Nazi, predicted something similar. And, his time frame was the same with respect to the worth of the dollar. "2-3 cents" is what he said.
You wanted an answer, there it is. No go play with yourself, long and hard; that's all you get. :-* >:( ;D :-*
--Lee
it is now december 2012. so much for the reliability of your
"persistent rumors"... and your "sources"... ::)
move the disaster "deadline" once again... imagine that!
hey chicken little... THE SKY IS FALLING!
Quote from: triffid on December 02, 2012, 11:26:33 PM
Not everyone can be another Bill Gates. Not everyone is the next Clarence Darrow. Not everyone is the next Albert Einstein. We are a collection of all kinds of people. Some of us are machinists. Some of us are IT people. Some of us are teachers. Some of us are mechanics. Some of us are people who can assemble things. Some of us are people who love to sew things. Like one of the prior people pointed out.....what can we pick up in the stores anymore than state "Made in the USA." Very little. That is why we are in such trouble. The bulk of our manufacturing jobs are located in other countries. Mostly in SE Asia. Wake up America. 42,000 plus factories have closed in this country over the past 10 years or so. Do you realize how many jobs were lost? Do you realize that most of those jobs are now being held by people who are not Americans in foreign lands, but the companies are still American companies? Do you think that American shareholders of these companies are reaping the bulk of the profits from the "change of venue" of these jobs. Jobs which now cost American companies $1 an hour instead of $20 an hour. The CEO's, Presidents and VP's of these companies are now part of the "super rich" in this country. It is time for American to wake up. A good share of our debt problems in Washington are due to the fact that the income tax base is trillions of $$ short because of all the lost manufacturing jobs to other countries. NAFTA does not work for most Americans. I believe I read that about 5% of Americans now own or control about 90% of American wealth and real assets. That was not the case 25 years ago or even 10 to 15 years ago. Until we require American companies to pay Americans to work in American factories, we will continue to see our standard of living diminish for all but the top 5 to 10% of Americans.
I suggest you read some free market economic theory. Protectionism does not work in the long run. We just need to focus on our comparative advantages and exploit those, finding new comparative advantages as necessary. Focusing purely on jobs is not helpful. Focus on total production. If you focus only on jobs and make decisions based on that, the USA would never have implemented the massive labor saving farm technology at the turn of the century, because, hey "tractors cost jobs!".
Also, your comparative salary numbers are off. When all factors are taken into account, it is not a 20 to 1 savings on labor. And worker salaries in China and India have been rising steadily.
Lastly, and this is to cast some hope on the future of manufacturing in the USA. As soon as automated manufacturing starts being more efficient that labor based manufacturing, this business will shift back to the USA. Current 3D printing technology is a glimpse of what is to come.
Quote from: triffid on November 27, 2012, 07:00:06 PM
Aryans Power,You can goosestep all you want in the privacy of your home.But your "vile bile" is not wanted here so please stop posting here.Hitler is dead!End of discussion!triffid
I alluded that to the "Bad" Dr. (No)wak. They're in the same organization, I would expect.
@eatenbyargue
I told the "Bad" Dr. that the name Nowak meant in English, 'New Man', and that was in Polish. In Czech, it's spelled 'Novak', and I imagine it means the same thing. I likened it to Jews arriving in Poland during the Diaspora and a few were considered a 'New Man' in town. Also, Paul Newman's father was a Hungarian/Polish Jew whose father's surname as Newman.
When I told this to No(wak), he dismissed it as not being relevant for more than 200 years in the Old Country. Bullsh!t!!!! My English Jewish ancestors gave me Torsion Dystonia...
http://www.jewishgenetics.org/?q=content/torsion-dystonia
...even after
not being Jewish for 700 yrs after Edward I kicked Jews out of England. Cromwell allowed them back in 1656.
I suspect these neo-Nazis would use the 'drop-of-blood' argument as a means of discrimination against me, although their ancestors like No(wak)'s may also have had Jewish ancestors. I suggested that he be genetic tested for "Jewishness"---if possible, I believe---but he also dismissed the notion.
Double standard! Liar!!!
@triffid
My skin cancer wasn't as bad as I thought. I won't need further therapy.
--Lee
Lee, Im glad the skin cancer is gone.Hitler was a jew after all.He hated his origins.And tried to pretend that he was not of jewish descent.His relatives tried to disclose that fact but history pretty much drowned that fact out.For now the USA is still leading the way in manufacturing in the world,China is number 3.
True, the manufacturing jobs may return but only after the wages over there reach 21 dollars an hour.So maybe in another 30 years?When Americans are willing to work for 22 cents a hour.True, robots have cost workers their jobs here.But did allow factories to produce more at lower costs.
I worked in factories over half of my adult life.And the robots I saw increased our production.
Oh yeah ,here is talk of war options being considered against Syria.
http://news.yahoo.com/us-weighing-military-options-syria-uses-wmd-223957678.html (http://news.yahoo.com/us-weighing-military-options-syria-uses-wmd-223957678.html)
Here they talk about chemical weapons and biological weapons.
Iraq had wmd in gulf war 1(biological weapons).If they had used those, which they did not, we would have used nukes on them.So we knew in 1998 that they had 25 missile warheads carrying more than 11,000 lbs of biological agents,including deadly botulism poison and anthrax germs.If these agents had been used the results would have been as catastrophic as the dropping of atomic bombs in WW2.
Page 95,"The Biotech century" by Jeremy Rifkin c.c.1998,printed 1999.
Secretary of State James Baker warned Saddam Hussein that their use "would be met with extreme measures"Which included potential detonation of nuclear weapons over Baghdad.
Then we went into Iraq again after 9/11 and could not find them?Maybe Syria has them now?
Quote from: triffid on December 04, 2012, 07:25:57 PM
Then we went into Iraq again after 9/11 and could not find them?Maybe Syria has them now?
triffid,
There was an old rumor that Iraq or some other country in the region has nuclear technology and uranium they were working on to make a bomb, but in order to deflect attention from the fact, they spread that materi'el and knowhow to other countries elsewhere; now they working
waaayyy! underground in really deep secrecy to continue research.
An very unpleasant surprise may be waiting for the West in the future because of it.
--Lee
I used to focus only on nuclear weapons but now realize the biological weapons are just as bad and about 10 times cheaper to make.From the same book and page I quoted above.Just 220 pounds of anthrax spores released from an airplane could kill as many as three million people.So no one is really safe here.triffid
Heres a link to ten really important numbers in your life, http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-numbers-that-can-change-your-life-173330691.html .triffid
Treasure can be anywhere,although this article is slanted at not cheating the IRS.I feel the stash was a complete surprise to the current home owners. http://www.mwattorneys.com/blog/?p=1422 (http://www.mwattorneys.com/blog/?p=1422)
The technicians at Clark & Rush, a Sacramento-based heating & A/C company, found $300,000 worth of gold dust (http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2012/11/22/HVAC-installers-find-300k-in-gold-dust/UPI-55211353617084/#axzz2D5crpACm) packed away in 12 old baby food jars. They happened upon the stash in September while doing an installation on an old home in Sacramento. The gold dust was given to the homeowners who requested that their names not be made public. Looks like somebody has some secrets.
Quote from: triffid on December 10, 2012, 05:32:34 PM
Heres a link to ten really important numbers in your life, http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-numbers-that-can-change-your-life-173330691.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-numbers-that-can-change-your-life-173330691.html) .triffid
triffid,
This isn't a rumor:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/14/pf/taxes/fiscal-cliff-paychecks/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/14/pf/taxes/fiscal-cliff-paychecks/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)
"Thursday or Friday", as the article says, is right now!!! This is the 15th as I write this. Good thing I'm on SSDI. My landlord would understand if the Gov't held my check for Congress's indecision.
Oh, WI is a 'right to work' state, now. The union bosses are predicting a "civil war" and "there'll be blood". Another thing to think about.
--Lee
If congress makes a deal on the fiscal cliff,it will be at the very last minute.triffid
I learned some interesting things today.The first hand(thief) in the cookie jar usually gets to keep the cookie.The second guy who comes along usually has a harder time of getting and keeping the cookie if the first thief was noticed.If it wasn't noticed then the second guy can do it just as easy as the first guy.
Wall street may preach systematic saving and compounding interest as things most investors should do?But those two things are too slow for the wall streeter to earn the big money they make.Hence all the urges to churn the market ignores a lot of warning signs.
The united states and maybe the rest of the world will consider outer space as a serious place to go to only when they are nearly broke and need the money from mining the moon,mars,and the asteroid belt.
Only then will they "gamble" what little money is left to reap the metal and mineral wealth that awaits us.
Quote from: triffid on December 16, 2012, 03:37:48 PM
The united states and maybe the rest of the world will consider outer space as a serious place to go to only when they are nearly broke and need the money from mining the moon,mars,and the asteroid belt.
Only then will they "gamble" what little money is left to reap the metal and mineral wealth that awaits us.
I don't think so. Look, there is a company started up with this mission already.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/24/breaking-private-company-does-indeed-plan-to-mine-asteroids-and-i-think-they-can-do-it/#.UM52nG_tRzA (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/04/24/breaking-private-company-does-indeed-plan-to-mine-asteroids-and-i-think-they-can-do-it/#.UM52nG_tRzA)
Anyway, regardless of whether their plan is feasible, it is simply a matter of economics. When the cost of mining the asteroids is notably less than the profit to be had exploiting their minerals, then you will see asteroid mining.
Well,I was basically talking about the whole world getting involved.But I realize a few brave souls have already started.I am wanting the space elevators to really take off.Build them around the earth ,moon and mars.William Stone wants to go the moon to mine water for rocket fuel.Kudu's to those who are trying!triffid
Quote from: triffid on December 17, 2012, 10:44:37 AM
Well,I was basically talking about the whole world getting involved.But I realize a few brave souls have already started.I am wanting the space elevators to really take off.Build them around the earth ,moon and mars.William Stone wants to go the moon to mine water for rocket fuel.Kudu's to those who are trying!triffid
triffid,
As a Shamanistic-oriented Native American, I have a bad feeling about Friday, the 21st, and it isn't total, instant destruction.
I feel something as bad a 9/11 but that also pisses of Americans as strongly as Pearl Harbor may occur. As I mentioned in another post on this thread, the Mayans had a subsequent prediction to the day of ending on the 21st. Thusly:
1) Half the people will eat well and the other half will have difficulty.
2) The population will come together and unite in a common cause.
What happens on Friday may be it.
I. Hope. I'm. Wrong. --Lee
http://yahoo.match.com/y/article.aspx?articleid=13175&TrackingID=526103&BannerID=1381171 this article might contain the reason you are still single if you are?Someting to think about.triffid
Why did I put this here?Well a bad marriage is an economic diasaster no matter what age you are!
Lee,Yesterday the old guys(me included) at the Mc donalds where I drink morning coffee at were talking about the 21st of dec(this friday) and pretty much concluded that if people felt that at this point that something really bad was going to occur that people would be running amuck,robbing banks,killing each other,streaking through the streets without any clothes on.Oh wait they are already doing that ?Aren't they?triffid
The thing I worry about the most now is the missippi river becoming 50 miles wide as one prediction put it.I live than a mile away from it now.
I do hope no biological weapon attack will occur on the 21st.I really hope that day just comes and goes.
hard water is here so... i'll be ice fishing on the 21st. let me know how it goes... ;)
yup, those crappies are 11" or bigger. mmmmm
Its been a while in the making but a lot of the wealthy are planning to leave france if they go through with their savage 75% tax hikes on the wealthy.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2185231/High-earners-planning-leave-France-75-tax-rate-income-1million-euros-goes-ahead.html
Likewise http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249025/Gerard-Depardieu-vows-French-passport-puts-40m-Parisian-mansion-market-protest-huge-tax-hikes.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249025/Gerard-Depardieu-vows-French-passport-puts-40m-Parisian-mansion-market-protest-huge-tax-hikes.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490) triffid
Mr Depardieu said he has paid 85 per cent of his income to the Government this year, and estimated that he had paid more than £130 million in total since he started work on leaving school aged 14.
New financial measures: French President Francois Hollande has imposed a top rate of income tax of 75 per cent Mr Ayrault had earlier branded Mr Depardieu 'pathetic' and 'unpatriotic', but the actor wrote in an open letter in the Journal de Dimanche: 'Who are you to judge me like this, Mr Ayrault? I ask you, who are you?
'Despite my excesses, my appetite and my love of life, I am a free man.
'I am not asking to be approved of, but I could at least be respected. All of those who have left France have not been insulted as I have been.
'At no time have I failed in my duties. The historic films in which I took part bear witness to my love of France and its history.'
The actor is not the first wealthy French resident to signal their intention to leave since Mr Hollande came to power back in May.
Wilby, those fish look good!
Quote from: triffid on December 18, 2012, 03:59:14 PM
Lee,...
...if people felt that at this point that something really bad was going to occur that people would be running amuck,robbing banks,killing each other,streaking through the streets without any clothes on.Oh wait they are already doing that ?Aren't they?triffid
As of now, San Francisco is still a clothing-optional city. Nothing on the local books or at the CA State level to make it illegal. Gay men in The Castro(suburban neighborhood) come out when it's warm at the main streets(Market @ Castro & 17th St.) of The Castro, now.
Just to have the tourists gawk at them. I don't LOL, but it's still amusing, sometimes. :o ;D 8)
--Lee
You have a point, though.
Well we are still here it seems.I took today off from everything but here.Yesterday I went to the thrift store and bought 11 more books at 50 cents each.Some on economics,managment ,and selling.No matter how big the paperback its still 50 cents.textbooks are a $1.50.So far in the last three months I 've picked up about 50 books I guess. Two to three are a game changer for me so far.One book yesterday was economic history of the USA(and europe since 1648.
"The western Heritage ,Brief Edition,Volume 2 since 1648 cc 1996." Says that Europe after WW1 never shared in the roaring twenties that the united states had.They were still trying to recover their economies when the great depression hit(1930's).It says before WW2 Americans kept to themselves but WW2 taught the USA that events beyond our borders affect our security here at home.Hence we are now spread throughout the world.The book talks a great deal about Hitlers rise to power.And his actions before and during the war.WW2 was the most brutal war ever fought in the history of mankind.I hope we never have another one like that one.
The gas used in the death camps was diesel exhaust fumes.After 32 minutes of inhaling them everyone is dead.Never mind using hydrogen cyanide which is quick and deadly maybe 3 minutes!
Page 662 of the book mentioned above says that the German financial disaster of 1923 and its spector of uncontrolled inflation explain why most governments refused to run budget deficits when the great depression hit.
http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/letter-chinese-laborer-pleading-help-found-halloween-decorations-202400773.html (http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/letter-chinese-laborer-pleading-help-found-halloween-decorations-202400773.html) Very shocking letter smuggled into goods shipped here to the usa from China.
The letter describes the conditions at the factory: "People who work here have to work 15 hours a day without Saturday, Sunday break and any holidays. Otherwise, they will suffer torturement, beat and rude remark. Nearly no payment (10 yuan/1 month)." That translates to about $1.61 a month.
looks like some fat CEO should be earning $1.61 a month!
Looks like the fiscal cliff is coming!
Fiscal cliff averted for maybe two more months? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/corporate-america-voices-frustration-fiscal-210132694.html
More and more people want to quit their JOBS.Reason ?For more money somewhere else!
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/2013-may-employees-quit-204927423.html
Indeed said based on the total volume of job listings, the most in-demand jobs right now are: registered nurses, customer/client service representatives, quality assurance engineers/testers, sales managers/representatives, retail store managers/associates, software engineers, physical therapists, accountants and auditors, truck drivers and occupational therapists.
The top cities hiring include: San Jose, Washington, D.C.,Raleigh, Hartford and Boston, according to Indeed.com.
I went to a food bank today and got a big 4 lb chicken.Salvation Army sponsered it.I got other stuff too.
My shelves are filling up with stuff from foodbanks people.I've been going for about three months now.
http://www.missingmoney.com/Main/Search.cfm this website will tell you if theres any missing money with your name on it.Free to try.
The ten happiest countries in the world.Last year the USA was number ten on this same list,now its number twelve. http://travel.yahoo.com/ideas/world-s-happiest-countries-233204795.html
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-inauguration-nasas-deep-space-mission-continues-170927511.html
At least this is one thing Obama is doing right.Moving us ahead into space.
In his first term as president, Obama canceled NASA's moon-oriented Constellation program and directed the space agency to pursue a new vision of deep-space exploration, a program that aims to send the first manned mission to an asteroid by 2025 (http://www.space.com/19070-nasa-asteroid-mission-direction.html). By the mid-2030s, the target is Mars.
In addition to exploring a near-Earth asteroid and Mars, NASA is also eyeing a potential plan to build a deep-space station (http://www.space.com/18750-nasa-moon-missions-obama-administration.html) on the far side of the moon that could serve as a stepping stone to the asteroid or Mars flights.
To me it is always worth the effort of reading what other people post in the comments section of an article.Such as the following one posted by a Dr.Forbin:
The decline of the manned space program goes back to Richard Nixon who hated the whole idea because it was a John Kennedy idea...He proposed a Mars mission..put his VP Spiro Agnew in charge of it ..the same Spiro Agnew that was convicted of bribery in office .. and jammed the Space Shuttle down NASA's throat.The original Shuttle would have launched off the back of a carrier aircraft, the whole thing would have been reusable, not just part of it and it would carry more to orbit.The military was directed to use it to justify the program, and they forced NASA to redesign it for their purposes, including a theoretical "space bomber" capability.NASA's original design would have had air breathing engines to use instead of being a glider on return. The forced redesign by the Defense Department to make it possible to launch and land at Vandenberg Air Force Base after 1 orbit required NASA to drop them from the design.Why after 1 orbit ...?In 1935 Dr Eugene Sanger developed a rocket launched bomber for the #$%$ that would have been able to fly to New York, drop a bomb load and continue to glide the rest of the way around the world and land back in Germany...So don't be blaming the current President for the decline in the manned space program .. that sin goes back a long way.
When I was young (17 years old)I did not know we went to the moon just to beat Russia there.I thought we were going to develop the moon with mining and human colonies.In 1972 when I was a little older(21).Nixon announced the end of the moon missions.At the time I thought "What the !#!&& is going on?"Now at 61 I know it was all politically motivated.Also At age 61 I know we will go into space for the money that is to to be made in many ways.Never mind the space alien talk of engines hidden in area 51.I believe space aliens to be cold war misdirections.Stories told so we could develop our war machines.After all space aliens are so advanced its best not to make them angry.So like a guy who has 7 or 8 girlfriends before he finds one to marry.We have a lot of false starts that end in failure. Those failures lead us to the one we get married to.Of course some people never get married.But then I'm really talking about Space exploration.triffid
Germany recentlt announced they want ALL their gold back from the jewish owned federal reserve bank and central banks in europe ,but the jews said they need 8 years to deliver. QUESTION,WHAT THE FRIK HAPPENED TO THE GERMAN GOLD???? Is there a shortage of gold in the world ?? YESSSSSSSS there is!!!!! USA alone owes 16 trillion dollars but there is about 1 trillion dollars of gold in the WHOLE world.Nobody(meaning the governments and the jews central and federal banks pulling their strings)wants to go back to money being backed by gold cause there isnt enough gold for all the fake MONEY PRINTING the jews are doing around the world.EVERYBODY from germany to venezuela to iran are taking their gold back and are demanding gold as payment for their exports!! GERMANY DISCOVERED THEIR GOLD HAD OTHER METALS MIXED IN THEIR BULLION WHEN THEY AUDITED THEIR RESERVES!!!! THE FUCKING ZIONIST SCUMBAGS THOUGH THEY COULD FOOL THE GERMANS!! TIME TO BUY GOLD AND SILVER PEOPLE WHENEVER YOU CAN!!! GOLD SHOULD BE OVER $5000 AN OUNCE BUT IS ARTIFICIALLY BEING HELD DOWN BY THE ZIONISTS BANKERS!!! DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH IF YOU DONT BELEIVE ME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ivHAO96FIiw hotels in space.Nice little eight minute video.
Sounds like esesenergy (http://www.overunity.com/profile/esesenergy.78502/)[/color] is telling us the whole world is going broke so time to venture out into space for all the GOLD and SILVER that is out there.I did predict that the whole world would look towards space for the money only when they are broke.Not to beat the russians again or the chinese this time.
triffid
I forgot to say that you can make a donation of any amount to the guy trying to build space hotels and be a part owner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ivHAO96FIiw
You have to start somewhere.He already has a website going since 2005 so hes very serious.
triffid
http://livinginspace.org is where to go to learn more and where to make a donation somewhere.
Become a supporter by clicking Subscribe or Donate at, http://livinginspace.org/purchase
http://blog.credit.com/2013/02/5-ways-taxes-can-affect-your-credit/ talks about the effect of IRS tax liens against your credit record.triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 02, 2013, 07:12:05 PM
Fiscal cliff averted for maybe two more months? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/corporate-america-voices-frustration-fiscal-210132694.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/corporate-america-voices-frustration-fiscal-210132694.html)
triffid,
The CEO's are right. The Gov't is still borrowing more and more money.
There's something else:
Larger independent 'box' stores like big cut-rate dollar stores, furniture stores, warehouse-type stores that retail to the public are going out of business in greater numbers here in San Francisco.
That's not all:
One store manager said over the phone to an associate, "I'm getting scared. Last Christmas there were a lot more people in here to shop. It's dead this year. Other stores say the same thing."
It's taken some time to get this far in the economy, but there is an end, somewhere.
Oh, BTW, WilbyInebriated...?
Free Will being what it is, I have the opinion that not even the New World Odor movers-and-shakers
know when they want to 'close the curtains' on Planet Earth.
I say, "Karma is what it is."
YOU try and figure out what I mean by that, you Genius, you.
--Lee
Lee,I have been busy waiting to see what happens next here.now friday is march 1st.The day new cuts take effect.According to the media these could be more profound in their effects than if jan1st had come and gone without any adjustments.Because the cuts are in smaller amounts but at the same time they only affect smaller areas of the economy.So these cuts will have more of an effect.I have been going to local food banks for the past few months trying to stock up.Last time was last week.And going to a senior center near me for lunch at $2.50 per head,free if you don't have it.Too many pay nothing as it is.Once in a while if 20 people are eating and theres only $10.00 in the box they will say something about it.I know of two times they said something about it.I know of one guy who never pays.
Quote from: triffid on February 27, 2013, 09:53:03 PM
Lee,I have been busy waiting to see what happens next here.now friday is march 1st.The day new cuts take effect.According to the media these could be more profound in their effects than if jan1st had come and gone without any adjustments.Because the cuts are in smaller amounts but at the same time they only affect smaller areas of the economy.So these cuts will have more of an effect.
Yeah, triffid, I finally heard about that. It'll be a slow poison on the economy, but it'll happen. Politics!!!! The whole of Europe's and American politicans have been very creative at keeping the economy going as long as it has, but the 'money' party is about over.
My genetic problems are keeping me from doing what I want all the time, but this
Cr@p!!!! (Cr@p!!!!) with the economy is worse in the long run. Nobody who depends on money will escape the effects of no nothing to eat, drink, cold winters with no heat, etc., etc., etc.
As i said before,
"There looks like no good end to all of this."--Lee
Hi Lee,Good to hear from you again.I will be planting food again here in st.Louis.I found some sunchokes to plant.They look like sunflowers so they are perfect for a secret garden.They make a tuber that one can eat.Once planted they spread over the entire area.I started a secret garden with them in 1992,So about 21 years of growing and that land has never been developed,cut or sprayed.I am looking for similar land here in st.louis.They are the french artichokes(white in color).I was happy to locate them this last week.triffid
Lee,we have a pastor in the st.louis area who is also into renewable energies.His name is Larry Rice and his website is www.moreenergy.org.
I think sometime in the future I will do something to help him out.triffid
How crooks can guess your PIN number. http://techpageone.com/technology/with-holiday-shopping-well-upon-us-criminals-celebrate-too-are-they-using-your-pin-to-do-it-heres-a-great-infographic-with-facts-and-analysis-around-the-question-of-how-safe-your-pin-is-reall/
I have been watching the pastor Larry Rice TV channel 24.2 here in st.louis,mo. for 24/7 the past two weeks.And made some decisions.My next car I buy will be diesel and I will modify it to run off of used veggie oil.Just very slight modifications.Strain it until its clean,warm it up so its thin.Start the car on reg diesel,warm the veggie oil up,switch over to it,switch it back to reg diesel before you shut off the car.If your veggie oil is free you only pay for the reg diesel that you use.The old guy in the video clip I saw had enough for a 3000 mile trip onboard(about 20 gallons).I pay about $100.00 a month for gasoline.So in a ten year period I could save $12,000 in ten years assuming I can get my veggie oil for free.triffid
Quote from: triffid on February 27, 2013, 09:53:03 PM
Lee,I have been busy waiting to see what happens next here. ...
Hey, triffid,
I've been watching both Europe (Cyprus) and N. Korea. Both are bad enough to give the economy a push off 'the edge'. Anyone who thinks things will go on forever as is hasn't looked at or remembered history clearly.
That engineering job I said I'd get is heading for reality. I mostly do research for it rather than continue here. I've run into couple of Members on the research site I correspond with who act just like "WilbyInebriated" here at OU.com It's like they're triplets or someone trained them all to act
exactly the same way in a classroom setting. However, I'm smart enough to to be as snide to them as they are to me. After that, they and those like them usually STFU.
I'm really glad that this thread is doing so well. I think the poll alone is the biggest one on OU.com I would contribute more, but my age and genetic problems are catching up with me and to be honest, there's nothing that can be done. Genes are genes. We all have to live with how we're born. Some things can be done, yes, but with others, they're set in stone, so to speak.
I have what the ability of a shamistic-oriented Native American to survive and I have an exit plan from S.F. Everyone else will have to get by as best they can.
--Lee
Hi Lee,Always a pleasure to hear from you.I have been bidding my time waiting to see what happens here in the USA next.I now find myself now waiting to see what happens next in Cyprus on monday.I have been learning new things.For instance the USA is still number one in manufacturing in the world,I learned that we make more stuff today than ever in our history.The labor intensive,lower value manufacturing jobs have gone overseas,never to come back.But the higher value jobs have remained.Auto making is really big in the USA.12 million cars are sold in the USA every year.Computer chip manufacturing is still really big in the USA.Manufacturing accounts for 12 % of the US economy today.As compared to 20% about 20 years ago.Services account for the rest of the economy.
It seems that a person is left on his own to provide for himself more now than in the last 50 years.Corporations have gone overseas to save money while still using the resources of the USA for their benefit.So they use the cheap labor in other lands while still selling their products in the USA.
I learned today that a truckload of donuts can make over 200 gallons of ethanol and provide the oils to burn to distill the alcohol from the donut wine.Don't laugh,I have a source of free donuts.At least a trashbag a week.GIVES ME A SOURCE OF FREE SUGAR.
I also learned that most grasses have a certain amount of sugar in them.Not a lot maybe,but some of the rye grasses have 50% more sugar in them than other grasses.Also the sunchokes I planted,their stalks can supply enough sugars three times a year to make 400 gallons of ethanol per acre or a total of 1200 gallons a years per acre.So used veggie oil and sugars (used to make ethanol) can be burned in a diesel engine.This will be my exit plan when gas hits $12.00 a gallon ten years from now.
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/banks-europe-may-now-seize-deposits-cover-gambling-134036516.html;_ylt=AqyquUOLOjhSm3Ii5khwv_SiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTN1dWc1bHRkBG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEZQIE1lZ2F0cm9uIDIEcGtnAzUzMmE5YTVmLWJlYjQtMzMxNi04ZmEzLTA2ZjRiYjllZmUxZARwb3MDMQRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyAzIyNjQyY2UxLTk1NTctMTFlMi1iZTdmLWI1NTNhYjY3ZTliNQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
How long before this hits the USA?
Quote from: triffid on March 25, 2013, 12:16:51 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/banks-europe-may-now-seize-deposits-cover-gambling-134036516.html;_ylt=AqyquUOLOjhSm3Ii5khwv_SiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTN1dWc1bHRkBG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEZQIE1lZ2F0cm9uIDIEcGtnAzUzMmE5YTVmLWJlYjQtMzMxNi04ZmEzLTA2ZjRiYjllZmUxZARwb3MDMQRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyAzIyNjQyY2UxLTk1NTctMTFlMi1iZTdmLWI1NTNhYjY3ZTliNQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3 (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/banks-europe-may-now-seize-deposits-cover-gambling-134036516.html;_ylt=AqyquUOLOjhSm3Ii5khwv_SiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTN1dWc1bHRkBG1pdANGaW5hbmNlIEZQIE1lZ2F0cm9uIDIEcGtnAzUzMmE5YTVmLWJlYjQtMzMxNi04ZmEzLTA2ZjRiYjllZmUxZARwb3MDMQRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyAzIyNjQyY2UxLTk1NTctMTFlMi1iZTdmLWI1NTNhYjY3ZTliNQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3)
How long before this hits the USA?
@Triffid,
A sub-article to the main one asserted that the Fed. Chief was doing that right now. What Cyprus did was about what Europeans always did: 'Kick the can' down the road. Great. Nothing has really changed. If any country cuts back on spending, that'll hurt their economy. If they do nothing, their economy will eventually crash, as this site's thread has as its subject.
I and everyone else has to live with economic decisions made elsewhere. The lawyers and politicians who make the decisions will eventually regret their greed.
I'm ready for whatever happens.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 23, 2013, 07:01:20 PM
Hey, triffid,
I've been watching both Europe (Cyprus) and N. Korea. Both are bad enough to give the economy a push off 'the edge'. Anyone who thinks things will go on forever as is hasn't looked at or remembered history clearly.
Whoa. N. Korea just cut the last line of communications with S. Korea from their side.
They indicated, to wit: the gist,
"War may break out at any time."Uh...this is something to pay attention to. I'm getting the 'vibes' they're crazy enough to not give a d@mn about what happens to their country or themselves.
And the N. Koreans absolutely hate S. Koreans. Their ruling junta might still be bluffing for looks and mere show, but if they back down now, they'll lose face in the world community and amongst their own people.
I'll be looking at this carefully.
--Lee
Lee,I heard an interesting discussion on north korea. If North Korea did attack us it would be suicide for them. It was said that most leaders like the current one are survivors,not martyers.They do the talk to unit their people against an outside enemy.And to keep their minds off of their hunger which has resulted in the north koreans being a full foot shorter(on average) than their southern counterparts.Also on Cyprus Their bailout totals only 10 billion.The Apple company is worth 156 billion in comparsion.So Cyprus seems like small potatoes right now.I really do not like the trends here.I no longer have a spell checker here when I post.Sorry for any spelling mistakes here.
I do think jobs will continue to leave the USA.I do think people will have to be more creative in reinventing themselves.People will have to plant more gardens.Learn more about alternative forms of energy.We do have a future but things have been changing for the past 60 years and will continue to do so.I do not want to predict just gloom and doom for everyone.I am more upbeat than that.I recently met an ex-CEO of Kodack company.He told me he left them in 1988.He told them that they were going down back then.He was called a bad guy.He said the most frightening trend of big corporations is to use the cheap labor of overseas countries to make products only to bring them over here back to the USA to sell.Thus draining the wealth of the USA.Good things,however, are happening,Wind energy is growing at 30% a year.Solar panels are getting cheaper.Right now Our major export is paper right now and it comes back to us from China in the form of boxes and packages.We buy most of our oil now from Canada(tar sands).Not the middle east.More people are checking out biodiesel.I heard that our farmers could grow enough oils to make us energy independent within 36 months if they were only allowed to.triffid
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/stockman-bubbles-over-hide-cash-150205492.html stock market crash coming in a few years says stockman.
"I think the markets are not discounting risks, the real economy, the headwinds coming at us from the world," he says. These headwinds include China's construction boom ending, Japan falling into "old age bankruptcy," the Eurozone crisis, and baby boomers retiring in the U.S.
"When the Fed loses confidence in the market I think that will be the beginning of the end," he notes, "and it will start in the bond market."
"That's what they told me in late 2007 and early 2008," Stockman says in response. "About seven months later people had lost 45% to 70% of their net worth. If you were in the Russell 2000, which is where Bernanke wants you, you were crushed – it dropped by 60% within 15 trading days."
Related: Dow 20,000 Is Coming in 2014 or Early 2015: James Altucher (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/dow-20-000-coming-2014-early-2015-james-160542015.html)
As for his advice to hide in cash he says, "I would rather have capital preservation, be safe. I don't think another two, four, 10 percent is worth losing 50, 60, 70 percent when the crash comes."
Once the fed has it all.T ;DThe fall will start
Quote from: triffid on April 01, 2013, 01:16:12 AM
Lee,I heard an interesting discussion on north korea. If North Korea did attack us it would be suicide for them. It was said that most leaders like the current one are survivors,not martyers.They do the talk to unit their people against an outside enemy.And to keep their minds off of their hunger which has resulted in the north koreans being a full foot shorter(on average) than their southern counterparts.Also on Cyprus Their bailout totals only 10 billion.The Apple company is worth 156 billion in comparsion.So Cyprus seems like small potatoes right now.I really do not like the trends here.I no longer have a spell checker here when I post.Sorry for any spelling mistakes here.
This computer is also acting up, triffid. I'll have to come back later. You're right, though. This sucks.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on April 03, 2013, 11:17:37 PM
This computer is also acting up, triffid. I'll have to come back later. You're right, though. This sucks.
--Lee
I'll be specific:
China is massing troops and tanks on the N. Korean border. The N. Korean military has the go-ahead to use 'nuclear weapons.' The U.S. is deplying stealth fighter to S. Korea.
If this continues, it 'isn't going end well' by any stretch of the imagine, so to speak.
--Lee
Looks like I should have spelled Martyr correctly.I have some good news and some bad news http://finance.yahoo.com/news/where-us-economy-hasnt-yet-134120098.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/where-us-economy-hasnt-yet-134120098.html) triffid
Perhaps the best way to think about the U.S. economy is this: After five painful years, it's nearly back to where it started when the recession began. What's different now is that the trends are much healthier. Gone are the fears that the economy could fall into another recession.
— UNEMPLOYMENT RATE. When the recession began, unemployment was 5 percent. Now, it's 7.7 percent. Probably no figure better illustrates the downturn's lingering damage. The unemployment rate is well below the recession's peak of 10 percent in October 2009 but far above the 5 percent to 6 percent range associated with a healthy economy. Twelve million people are unemployed. Yet that figure doesn't include 2.6 million people without jobs who have stopped looking for one. An additional 8 million work part time but want full-time work. Combining all those groups, 22.6 million people are either unemployed or "underemployed." They represent an underemployment rate of 14.3 percent, down from a peak of 17.1 percent in April 2010.
— HOUSING. The housing market has been recovering for about a year but still hasn't reached normal levels. Previously occupied homes were sold in February at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of about 4.98 million. An annual rate of about 5.5 million would be healthy. In the recession, sales had bottomed at 3.8 million. And last month, builders began work on a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 917,000 homes. That's way up from a recession low of 478,000. But it's still far from a healthy annual rate of roughly 1.5 million. Prices have risen nearly 9 percent since bottoming in March 2012, according to the Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller index, but they remain 29 percent below their pre-recession peak. Still, housing differs from other sectors: Its peaks occurred during a housing bubble that eventually burst. Few expect or even want prices to return to those levels soon. Most economists welcome the steady but modest growth housing has achieved in recent months.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on April 04, 2013, 01:07:15 PM
I'll be specific:
If this continues, it 'isn't going end well' by any stretch of the imagine, so to speak.
--Lee
I just read a Spanish/English socialist newspaper,
The/El Reporter(o): The Federal Administration is asking Congress for the money to buy billions of rounds of gun ammo; 7000 assault rifles; and many, many MRAP armored personnel carriers. Socialist commentators are calling it a military ammo stockpiling of the whole country for an anticipated complete American collapse---starting with the financial economy.
Uh...okay? Hello, right? I implied that when I started this thread. Former nay-sayers like a few who're still around, are silent now. They know who they are, if they're still here. Now, they STFU. I've already told everyone what I've done to prepare for this.
Let it come.--Lee
I just learned about TA-65 today. http://www.revgenetics.com/store/p-90-ta-65-telomerase-activator.aspx (http://www.revgenetics.com/store/p-90-ta-65-telomerase-activator.aspx) Now I can buy pills that make me live longer.Just in time for everything to go bad on me.triffid
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Well,Well,Well.Today is 4/15/2013,the price of GOLD is $1341.60 an ounce.And the price of SILVER is $22.55 an ounce.When last I checked about three weeks ago they were $1600 and $27.00.Wonderwhat happened?Maybe they are both being pushed down in price by the big boys?triffid
Heres what happened to gold and silver.http://finance.yahoo.com/news/yen-firms-risk-assets-brace-000147967.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/yen-firms-risk-assets-brace-000147967.html) Once again let the buyer beware.Gold and silver are not perfect assets to have.
TOKYO (Reuters) - The yen firmed against the dollar and the euro on Tuesday while commodities from gold to oil extended their sharp declines after investors dumped risk assets overnight, worried over slowing growth in China and the U.S. took hold.
Cash gold and U.S. gold futures plunged to their weakest in over two years, pulling silver lower and dragging Tokyo gold futures down almost 10 percent.
Spot gold was down 1.9 percent to $1,327 an ounce while silver shed nearly 2 percent to $22.11. On Monday, the price of gold bullion tumbled another $125 per ounce in its biggest-ever daily loss. In percentage terms, Monday's 9 percent loss would be the biggest since 1983.
http://news.yahoo.com/everything-know-bitcoin-boom-110000648.html (http://news.yahoo.com/everything-know-bitcoin-boom-110000648.html) Some info about a digital coin.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57580163-93/bitcoin-exchange-bitfloor-halts-operations-shuts-down/?part=rss&tag=feed&subj= (http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57580163-93/bitcoin-exchange-bitfloor-halts-operations-shuts-down/?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=) Seems there were problems?
http://news.yahoo.com/wild-unregulated-hacker-currency-gains-following-015010691--finance.html (http://news.yahoo.com/wild-unregulated-hacker-currency-gains-following-015010691--finance.html) more problems.
When they first began pinging across the Internet, bitcoins could buy you almost nothing. Now, there's almost nothing that bitcoins can't buy. From hard drugs to hard currency, songs to survival gear, cars to consumer goods, retailers are rushing to welcome the virtual currency whose unofficial symbol is a dollar-like, double-barred B.
Advocates describe Bitcoin as the foundation stone of a Utopian economy: no borders, no change fees, no closing hours, and no one to tell you what you can and can't do with your money.
Just days ago the total value of bitcoins in circulation hit $2 billion, up from a tiny fraction of that last year. But late Wednesday, Bitcoin crashed, shedding more than 60 percent of its value in the space of a few hours before recouping some of its losses. Critics say the roller coaster currency movements are just another sign that Bitcoin is a bubble waiting to burst.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-gold-may-hit-bottom-201625708.html;_ylt=Ai9lxjjbK9wLJDUZAjQgLuKiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTQ4NHFvbnNhBG1pdANDTkJDIFRvcCBTdG9yaWVzBHBrZwMxNTJmOGNjMy1kMTI4LTM2NGEtODM5MC00NTQ2YjFhN2NlMDcEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQkxpc3RNaXhlZExQQ0FUZW1wBHZlcgMwYzA2OWNlMy1hYjhiLTExZTItOWZmZi02MWVkOWI4N2ExYWQ-;_ylg=X3oDMTF1Y2FvM2loBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3BtaAR0ZXN0A05hY2VsbGVfT2Zm;_ylv=3 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-gold-may-hit-bottom-201625708.html;_ylt=Ai9lxjjbK9wLJDUZAjQgLuKiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTQ4NHFvbnNhBG1pdANDTkJDIFRvcCBTdG9yaWVzBHBrZwMxNTJmOGNjMy1kMTI4LTM2NGEtODM5MC00NTQ2YjFhN2NlMDcEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQkxpc3RNaXhlZExQQ0FUZW1wBHZlcgMwYzA2OWNlMy1hYjhiLTExZTItOWZmZi02MWVkOWI4N2ExYWQ-;_ylg=X3oDMTF1Y2FvM2loBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3BtaAR0ZXN0A05hY2VsbGVfT2Zm;_ylv=3)
Last week's big decline was sparked in part by reports that Cyprus would sell 40 tons of gold. Gold entered bear market territory April 12 and continued to decline last week.
Quote from: triffid on April 22, 2013, 09:52:40 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-gold-may-hit-bottom-201625708.html;_ylt=Ai9lxjjbK9wLJDUZAjQgLuKiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTQ4NHFvbnNhBG1pdANDTkJDIFRvcCBTdG9yaWVzBHBrZwMxNTJmOGNjMy1kMTI4LTM2NGEtODM5MC00NTQ2YjFhN2NlMDcEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQkxpc3RNaXhlZExQQ0FUZW1wBHZlcgMwYzA2OWNlMy1hYjhiLTExZTItOWZmZi02MWVkOWI4N2ExYWQ-;_ylg=X3oDMTF1Y2FvM2loBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3BtaAR0ZXN0A05hY2VsbGVfT2Zm;_ylv=3 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-gold-may-hit-bottom-201625708.html;_ylt=Ai9lxjjbK9wLJDUZAjQgLuKiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTQ4NHFvbnNhBG1pdANDTkJDIFRvcCBTdG9yaWVzBHBrZwMxNTJmOGNjMy1kMTI4LTM2NGEtODM5MC00NTQ2YjFhN2NlMDcEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQkxpc3RNaXhlZExQQ0FUZW1wBHZlcgMwYzA2OWNlMy1hYjhiLTExZTItOWZmZi02MWVkOWI4N2ExYWQ-;_ylg=X3oDMTF1Y2FvM2loBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3BtaAR0ZXN0A05hY2VsbGVfT2Zm;_ylv=3)
Last week's big decline was sparked in part by reports that Cyprus would sell 40 tons of gold. Gold entered bear market territory April 12 and continued to decline last week.
triffid,
I agree. So much so, in fact, I found this on the 'Web:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/02/poll-shows-2-percent-voters-think-armed-revolution-might-be-needed/?intcmp=trending (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/02/poll-shows-2-percent-voters-think-armed-revolution-might-be-needed/?intcmp=trending)
I'm sharpening my knives.
--Lee
BTW,
I'm glad to see this thread is so successful. Kudos to you, triffid. I'm getting ready to start my job in engineering w/R&D.
Much better living for me in the future.
Thanks Lee for the vote of confidence.I do believe we will weather the storm thats coming.While gold and silver prices are being pushed down I believe the big boys are buying more gold and silver.What the common man needs are jobs.I believe we will have them as America develops its energy independence.Thousands of jobs will be created as wind,solar,biodiesel and other alternatives becomes the energy of choice.More greenhouses to grow food would create more jobs.My artichokes are growing now.In time I will have more food and fuel(ethanol).Just from these plants growing.triffid
congrats on moving forward in your life too.
There are those who do not see the future the same way I do. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/02/America-suicide-rate-jumps?utm_source=contentsharing&utm_medium=linkexchange&utm_term=postion3&utm_content=America-suicide-rate-jumps&utm_campaign=foxnews (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/02/America-suicide-rate-jumps?utm_source=contentsharing&utm_medium=linkexchange&utm_term=postion3&utm_content=America-suicide-rate-jumps&utm_campaign=foxnews)
The biggest jump has occurred among white Americans, whose suicide rate per 100,000 population rose from 15.9 in 1999 to 22.3 in 2010. About 57 percent of suicides in America occur between the ages of 35 and 64. The suicide rate jumped in 39 out of the 50 states, and it increased most in the Western United States.
As of 5/05/2013 gold is 1476 dollars per oz and silver is $24.16 per oz.
Once again, the big boys got the price of gold and silver to drop so they could buy more and now they both seem to be going higher in price.The top one percent does it again and again.triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 02, 2013, 09:50:57 PM
Thanks Lee for the vote of confidence.I do believe we will weather the storm thats coming.
Someone will survive. People can sometimes be hard to kill.
QuoteGold and silver prices are being pushed down I believe the big boys are buying more gold and silver.What the common man needs are jobs.
They're playing money names, IMO.
QuoteI believe we will have them as America develops its energy independence.Thousands of jobs will be created as wind,solar,biodiesel and other alternatives becomes the energy of choice.More greenhouses to grow food would create more jobs.My artichokes are growing now.In time I will have more food and fuel(ethanol).Just from these plants growing.triffid
I hope the jobs come. But, problems still crop up:
http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/Americans-Retirement-Funds/2013/03/27/id/496544/?promo_code=12F38-1&utm_source=taboola (http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/Americans-Retirement-Funds/2013/03/27/id/496544/?promo_code=12F38-1&utm_source=taboola)
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/20-signs-that-the-next-great-economic-depression-has-already-started-in-europe (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/20-signs-that-the-next-great-economic-depression-has-already-started-in-europe)
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/11-economic-crashes-that-are-happening-right-now (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/11-economic-crashes-that-are-happening-right-now)
It's finally about to happen as I predicted when I started this thread. It's as simple as that.
--Lee
Here is a pretty disturbing article. I talked about the possibilities of this last year, and here it looks like they are 'really' going to do it. ???
http://www.naturalnews.com/040214_seeds_European_Commission_registration.html
Mags
Quote from: Magluvin on May 06, 2013, 08:46:48 PM
Here is a pretty disturbing article. I talked about the possibilities of this last year, and here it looks like they are 'really' going to do it. ???
http://www.naturalnews.com/040214_seeds_European_Commission_registration.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/040214_seeds_European_Commission_registration.html)
Mags
Yeah, I agree. It's not just Europe, though. It's everywhere. I said in an earlier post that the ancient Roman Empire collapsed and this 'empire' will do the same thing for similar reasons. It should be money and greed this time with us. Just not necessarily the Roman family life falling apart and the Roman legions trying to hold together an immense Empire stretched so thin, it couldn't continue.
--Lee
garbage in garbage out, nothing new.
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on May 12, 2013, 12:38:00 AM
garbage in garbage out, nothing new.
triffid & whoever else...
I'll probably be posting on this site a little more often in the future, time permitting.
@onthecuttingedge2005
I've always thought history repeats itself because one one wants to look at the past mistakes others have made and honestly realize the mistakes were indeed made. Too many people want what they don't need or can't have, anyway. Fear, greed and hate add to the misery.
I realize things haven't gone as I thought they might when I started this thread, but the world changed before my eyes in subtle ways that I can't easily explain, either.
I haven't said everything about this thread I could because I didn't have the references anymore to upload
or I....absolutely!....couldn't prove what I asserted because of the nature of what I could have said (easiest way I can put it).
What
will happen is that the same thing that happen to the ancient Roman Empire will happen again to us. Nothing.....lasts....forever. It's over for the status quo.
--Lee
We're seeing a rise in "three-income" households now. Many individuals are working two jobs to make ends meet. (Wouldn't it be great if all that "extra" income could go straight to their nest eggs instead of to bills?)
The good news, Fina, is there are places to invest where your returns can outpace the loss of purchasing power of the dollar.
We know the Consumer Price Index is highly manipulated by every president, at least since Kennedy was president, so we really can't rely completely on that measure for an accurate rate of inflation/price increase.
I know things can be tough sometimes, and I want you to know we take our responsibility to you and all our readers very seriously. We work hard to do everything we can to help you secure your financial position and improve it as quickly as possible.
No discussion of valuing goods in dollars is complete without recognizing that many of you spend time and/or invest overseas. But if we think a dollar doesn't go far here in the U.S., in countries with stronger currencies it really becomes even-more-apparent.
This is part of a sales letter to me on buying more gold.I thought the three income family part was interesting and wanted to post it here.
Quote from: triffid on May 17, 2013, 11:51:04 PM
We're seeing a rise in "three-income" households now. Many individuals are working two jobs to make ends meet.
Watch this to understand that mechanism:
http://www.aflcio.org/Corporate-Watch/CEO-Pay-and-You
Qwert,thanks for that link.Apple was on the news today for creating new ways to avoid paying corporate taxes by creating parts of itself in Ireland so as to create "stateless corporations" that pay no tax to anyone.You have to admire them for their gutsy actions.Maybe they are leading the way for more companies to do the same?
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/ireland-not-blame-apple-tax-131724356.html (http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/ireland-not-blame-apple-tax-131724356.html)
A panel of senior politicians are set to quiz chief executive Tim Cook and two other senior executives at Apple on the findings of an investigation by the US Senate on Tuesday. The report focuses on three subsidiaries based in Ireland, which, it claims, have allowed Apple to avoid billions of dollars in US income tax.
The Senate report alleges that Apple pays no tax on the $30bn income generated between 2009 and 2012 at one Ireland-based subsidiary, Apple Operations International (AOI). It says that by incorporating AOI in Ireland but managing it from the US, Apple has taken advantage of a tax loophole whereby Ireland only asserts tax jurisdiction on companies managed there and the US bases tax residency on where a company is incorporated. As such, Apple is not tax resident in either country.
Way to go Apple!Pay no tax and use what other taxpayers have paid in to benefit your company.An increasing trend in companies today that operate in the good old USA.
The insurance carrier for the employees benefit federally taxed. Pension plans-IRAS etc etc etc. built into the cost of the product you are purchasing with inome they are taxing again.
Haven't read the entire thread, but would recommend this video as informative:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4&feature=player_embedded
What power these globalist bankers wield over nations! wars for profit!
Now, my concern is that IF we as a community are unaware of this "matrix" we live in, then freedom energy developments might be turned IMMEDIATELY for use in these selfish wars of aggression, for gain and power of the "robber barons".
Indeed, it is an important goal to have freedom energy reach the people without being dominated/used/controlled by the wealthy warmongers. I just don't know yet how to achieve that goal.
Quote from: triffid
Way to go Apple! Pay no tax and use what other taxpayers have paid in to benefit your company. An increasing trend in companies today that operate in the good old USA.
What Apple has done (quite legally) is
really small change to what the established
"Elites" are doing.
The ones who are made to bear the heavy
burden of taxation are those who either
will not or cannot research the Code to
discover what the "law" actually requires
of the "taxpayer."
JouleSeeker,
Your suggestion to view the
Rivero Video is
excellent! He's one of the few courageous
souls who are doing their part to propagate
Truth regarding the sorry state of our modern
World.
I have been aware that many things are wrong in the American Economy.Still I believe we are better off than Europe!Better to be here than in Greece or Spain or France.I read the other day that another recession is looming perhaps by two quarters of a year.Food banks are helping me out.Plus my beans,squash,and potatoes are growing in the front yard.My articokes are growing in the back yard.
http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/19/19032028-house-gop-dont-grab-an-asteroid-lets-put-bases-on-moon-and-mars (http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/19/19032028-house-gop-dont-grab-an-asteroid-lets-put-bases-on-moon-and-mars) seems there now some talk of bases on the moon and mars.
I encourage people here to read the readers comments.SOMETIMES VERY INTERESTING!
A reader posted this comment to the article on the moon and mars bases I posted a link to. Last time I looked all the contractors that would be involved in building the hardware for the moon base and support systems are HERE ON EARTH! Those jobs are HERE ON EARTH!! The money would be spent HERE O EARTH!!
there are other comments that you should read.
Heres a horror story if I ever did see one. http://www.salon.com/2013/06/21/goodwill_pays_workers_with_disabilities_as_little_as_22_cents_an_hour/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/06/21/goodwill_pays_workers_with_disabilities_as_little_as_22_cents_an_hour/).I saw this on tv last night.The big fat CEO of Goodwill said they were people who are happy enough to just be working for 22 cents an hour while he takes home over half a million dollars a year.I have no idea how he can sleep at night.
I also saw on the news last night that Apple and Google are trying to bring jobs back to America.Too little,too late and what if they pay only 22 cents an hour?Why not follow Goodwills example?If I hire someone to work around the house here I have to pay ten dollars an hour.Four hours becomes $40.00 that I have to pay someone.If I pay ten dollars at 22 cents an hour that would be 45.5 hours of work I could get out of someone?Ten dollars is now a weeks pay here in the USA.Penn anyway.Once again I don't see how some people can sleep at night.
Quote from: triffid on June 22, 2013, 01:44:58 PM
Heres a horror story...
I absolutely don't understand this story: if this is on American ground, those employees must be severely mental retarded to agree for such conditions. I am disabled from work after almost 30 years of continuous work, receiving over $1,500 every month from SS disability program (legally blind).
You have got to understand that the stockholders lives are worth more an hour than the worker's lives. While they sip overpriced coffee and web surf for trendy restaurants their slaves get a 10 minute break (maybe) to wolf down a cup of soup they made out of left overs from last nites chicken. What empowers these pigs to get away with it is that they have a scheme going. They have this thing called capitol. Capitol allows a person to make money by just having money. They have no wealth they just have money. MONEY is not a measure of WEALTH. Somehow the thing we use to exchange for time spent in the common good like driving a truck to deliver fuel to a gas station or planting a crop to feed people, generally speaking "bringing good things to life" was fucked with. This is why there was an American Revolution. The wealthy Americans gave the finger to the Bank of England and especially it's East India Trading Company. The American Revolution was never won. The wretched moneychangers still control the colonies. Have controlled it since 1914 in it's latest run. They have just chosen to invest (check out the origin of the word invest) in Chineese slave labor. The industrialization of China has now taken farmers and put them in factories. Who the fuck is going to produce the crops to feed these slaves? Every nation that is below the Equator. While the entire Northern Hemisphere is involved with catering to the special needs of the money changers, the entire Southern Hemisphere is making food to feed the northern hemisphere slaves. When a nation does not want to trade in money but wants to trade in it's own currency, that is based on production of that nation which contibutes to the common good of all humans involved, they send in the thugs. They used Hessians in the 18th century. Now they use the soldiers in the North American colonies to subdue rebellions in their other colonies. NATO. North Atlantic Treaty Organization. It was an organization created to make sure the colonies stay in line. Including the one occupying a good portion of the North American Continent.
To Qwert,they use a loop hole for sheltered workshops.They do not have to pay the mininum wage to people in these programs.A person can make more than 22 cents an hour just by dumpster diving for cans.There are people so retarded that they can never live on their own.For a fat CEO to justify a 22 cent an hour job in the USA just enrages me.I don't care if its just one person making that little.Companies are supposed to be human too.Good will has 7000 to 8000 disabled working for them across the USA.
I knew many smart blind people.Most of the mentally retarded that I know about can never hold down a job.Much less live on their own.It depends on your disabilty I guess.triffid
To big M,I agree with you that things are better here in the USA than I initally thought they would be.Certainly better than in Europe right now.Spain has 25% unemployment for its young people.Even nurses newly graduated have a hard time being placed in Spain.
Just a little news about the stock market from Mr Weiss: QE3 Isn't Over Yet. Bernanke said it himself (http://listapp1.bfpnewsletters.com/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTEmbXNpZD0xJmF1aWQ9Jm1haWxpbmdpZD0xMzg4NjQyJm1lc3NhZ2VpZD02NjAzMjAmZGF0YWJhc2VpZD0zNzMwMCZzZXJpYWw9MTY4MDM3NDkmZW1haWxpZD10cmlmZmlkMTYyMEBnbWFpbC5jb20mdXNlcmlkPTIwNTMyNjUmdGFyZ2V0aWQ9JmZsPSZleHRyYT1NdWx0aXZhcmlhdGVJZD0mJiY=&&&2003&&&http://www.wyattresearch.com/article/bernanke-qe3-will-continue-for-another-year/29966): QE3 isn't ending anytime soon. It could be another year until the Fed pulls the plug on its stimulus program. Until then, let the good times roll. Stocks tend to rise during periods of quantitative easing. During QE1, the S&P returned 37.3% in 16 months. In QE2, the index gained 10.2% in eight months. Since QE3 was announced last September, stocks have risen 10% in less than 10 months. With another 10 months - or more - remaining until QE3 disappears, it's reasonable to expect stocks will keep rising.
Jobless rate in Spain and Greece at 62.5% for ages 15-25.USA much better off than Europe.Long gas lines in Egypt.Military may take over there tomorrow.Overall jobless rate in USA about 14 %,official rate is 7.6%.
Quote from: triffid on July 02, 2013, 10:37:52 PM
Jobless rate in Spain and Greece at 62.5% for ages 15-25.USA much better off than Europe.Long gas lines in Egypt.Military may take over there tomorrow.Overall jobless rate in USA about 14 %,official rate is 7.6%.
triffid,
I saw the news in Egypt. Right. That looks like a bloodbath in the making. I'm partly Jewish myself; and I really do know how these people think. I'm related to them, originally in history. 9,000 years ago, beginning in what would become modern Palestine.
If it isn't that, try Syria. The Gov't forces appear to be winning, and that'll drag other factions into the conflict. I. Just. Plain. Know. These people are potentially reactionary when they get angry.
Time's up. Back shortly.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 05, 2013, 07:46:20 PM
triffid,
I saw the news in Egypt. Right. That looks like a bloodbath in the making. I'm partly Jewish myself; and I really do know how these people think. I'm related to them, originally in history. 9,000 years ago, beginning in what would become modern Palestine.
If it isn't that, try Syria. The Gov't forces appear to be winning, and that'll drag other factions into the conflict. I. Just. Plain. Know. These people are potentially reactionary when they get angry.
Time's up. Back shortly.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 05, 2013, 07:46:20 PM
triffid,
I saw the news in Egypt. Right. That looks like a bloodbath in the making. I'm partly Jewish myself; and I really do know how these people think. I'm related to them, originally in history. 9,000 years ago, beginning in what would become modern Palestine.
If it isn't that, try Syria. The Gov't forces appear to be winning, and that'll drag other factions into the conflict. I. Just. Plain. Know. These people are potentially reactionary when they get angry.
Time's up. Back shortly.
--Lee
triffid? Anyone?
This thread showed me a sign just now. A big one:
Activity STOPPED on a successful thread like this one when I said I was leaving? I told triffid and now everyone: I'm transgendered and transsexual. Male-to-female. I'm emotional but this one could make me cry. Is this my thread? I'm I
that important? I am starting to cry.
How Important am I to you? GOD, THIS HURTS INSIDE MY HEART!!!!
Alright, I feel better now. Look, I told triffid I have a job coming up in national defense with a helluva security clearance. It's here. I start shortly doing something a little different than I thought I would.
triffid: Do the best you can. Sharpen your knife and get a gun, if you can. Keep enough ammo for it.
"Dr." Nowak: You Nazi devil-worshipping fuck!!! I'm telling you something I never told anyone
at all: I have a legal Samurai sword replica I call the "Soul Taker." I can go on Native American
vision quests with it and kill demons and
spiritual bastards like YOU!!! It came out of the box very sharp and it still is. Just remember that, that's all.
Everyone else? Your on you're own. Good luck. Mazel tov and ...
Shalom
--Lee
Lee,everything on this thread is important.I got busy with other things.I finished cleaning up my house(two years in the process).Now putting together a small chemistry lab upstairs.I wanted to wait a little while to see how the us economy is going.We are better off than europe by far but only as long as we print our own money.If we switch over to the Amero as some suggest I have my doubts.
Im now reading a book called "the long boom" by peter schwartz,peter leyden,and joel hyatt.CC1999.They promote a vision of a coming age of prosperity for the USA and the world.They predict a coming boom better than what happened after WW!!.Remember that europe was bombed out and the USA was almost untouched.The rate of change in the world economy is hard to keep up with for us mere mortals.Since 1980 there has been an awfull lot of change.Personal computers have changed our world so many times over.Much of the change happens with us not noticing.
will creep along I think.
I have also put together at my home here in st.louis a library of close to two thousand books.I still have to sort them out.As Im retired so I have time to do the job.I have hopes to understanding the world economy and the USA economy to a deeper level than ever before.Half the world today lives in grinding poverty.Being poor in america IS NOT the same as being poor in Africa or Mexico.
Sure a lot of jobs that were American went overseas but these are making other areas of the world richer.America still has a lot of wealth and there are jobs that can never be outsourced like plumbing.
Lee I wish you the best of luck at your new job.The US economy is still the largest in the world today.
Egypt does appear to be tearing itself apart.I hope soon that things there will settle down a bit.
Hey Guys!
I'm new here but have been trolling around in the OU threads for a while...under the radar. New member. 2nd post.
Since this topic is one I'm passionate about, I would like to pose a scenario to see what you think. WHAT IF... There was a push to redefine money on a global basis?
The Fed in the US (my home) would be glad to rid themselves of the QE debit on their part. The EU would love the opportunity to breathe again, and China would most likely love the control they would have as probably the financiers (with the fed in control of course). Losers- most likely owners of property and those in the world that actually have some assets and / or ability to produce them.
Your productive thoughts please.
Quote from: triffid on July 28, 2013, 12:09:51 PM
Egypt does appear to be tearing itself apart.I hope soon that things there will settle down a bit.
@triffid
Not much time on this computer. You're right, the Middle East is a powderkeg with a shortening, burning fuse. That's not all: 1) The housing market appears to me to be in another price bubble. 2) The stock market is rebounding and may be priming itself for a big, BIG corrective downturn. 3) Banks and other institutions are underfunded---or were in the past. 4) Syria is a DEADLY POWDERKEG!!!! Worsening civil war. Both sides being supplied with big numbers of weapons?!?! Hope not.
Bottom line: This is taking longer than I ever imagined. Human free will and devious world leaders are keeping this farce going. NOT. FOREVER, THOUGH.
--Lee
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-were-working-less-parents-102800144.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-were-working-less-parents-102800144.html) Not only more part time work is the norm today but other factors seem to be in play?
Men in their 50s, for example, have been retiring or entering semi-retirement earlier and in greater numbers than those in previous generations, according to John Robinson, a sociology professor at the University of Maryland, and are partly responsible for driving down overall work hours per week.[/size]
And we're working a lot less than our grandparents, great grandparents and earlier generations. The average work week for a manufacturing employee in the 1860s was 62 hours, according to a paper from Robert Whaples, an economist at Wake Forest University.[/size]
I have been reading more of my book"the long boom".It is a book about the future possibly all the way out to 2125.Though published in 1999.It have given me some interesting reading.It said the race to the moon was based on the cold war.Once we landed everyone would could have kept it going lost the will to fund it any further.So once again I will say that we will go back to space when we need the money that is out there.Most likely we will spend some time and money building places where people can live in them to begin with.Then study the stars from the dark side of the moon.
Lots of progress ahead.I may not live to see it?triffid
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on May 17, 2013, 07:22:08 PM
triffid & whoever else...
I'll probably be posting on this site a little more often in the future, time permitting.
@onthecuttingedge2005
I've always thought history repeats itself because one one wants to look at the past mistakes others have made and honestly realize the mistakes were indeed made. Too many people want what they don't need or can't have, anyway. Fear, greed and hate add to the misery.
I realize things haven't gone as I thought they might when I started this thread, but the world changed before my eyes in subtle ways that I can't easily explain, either.
I haven't said everything about this thread I could because I didn't have the references anymore to upload or I....absolutely!....couldn't prove what I asserted because of the nature of what I could have said (easiest way I can put it).
What will happen is that the same thing that happen to the ancient Roman Empire will happen again to us. Nothing.....lasts....forever. It's over for the status quo.
Okay, guys, I do actually have something to say and it's something I didn't realize when I started this thing "way back when..."
Here, take a look at this:
This is mostly positive for the older cop...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/01/cops-speak-out-on-police-_n_3688999.html
This is really negative...
http://www.infowars.com/militarized-police-gone-wild-across-america-terrorizing-citizens-shooting-pet-dogs-behaving-like-occupying-military-force-2/
Okay, now, about 30-35yrs ago, I read a New Age pundit claim that the second, negative article was going to happen sooner or later. In my opinion, only recently did I come into contact of "individuals" who indicated the the second article was beginning to gain momentum in being implemented. That was their opinion.
I myself intuited the same thing as a shamanistic-oriented Native American.
The economy doesn't need to collapse if this is going to happen. This will be just as severe as a collapse and I say it's happening RIGHT NOW.
Okay, by my experience, site Members here usually read these kinds of posts uploaded by me and say nothing in the way of posts, themselves.
But. They. Do. Read. Them.
My question now is, "Does this concern them? Scare them?" They can decide.
--Lee
BTW, what I said about myself and my sexuality was absolutely true. I've been treated for skin cancer, and at my age, it's nearly a death sentence.
yeah@ big..its kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.people expect to get enslaved,then the institution matches their expectations for them.very dirty old communist and also national- socialist trick, works everytime.and you are right,no economic collapse required to bring out totalitarian rule,just a gradual propagandisement numbing and dumbing is all thats required,and one or two red flags.
Quote from: profitis on August 04, 2013, 09:57:21 PM
yeah@ big..its kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.people expect to get enslaved,then the institution matches their expectations for them.ust a gradual propagandisement numbing and dumbing is all thats required,and one or two red flags.
Toward that end, I'll personally change the focus of this thread
slightly and also concentrate on scenarios that might/can/possibly include natural or political disaster(s) that require(s) martial law to be declared. If it happens, the economy will go down the toilet eventually. Especially on a national or worldwide level of severity.
--Lee
well @big..just looking at pattern synchronicities of world history i would say an explosive world war is long overdue.i think many peasants and elites do want it,even if its on a subconscious level it will manifest 'accidentaly'or outright on purpose. think about it,the elites would want it because they are getting bored,restless and may want some heavier entertainment.the peasants would want it because they have nothing to lose.the middle classes would want it because they are now sitting in peasant class.ethnic,tribal tensions are high,economic resources low etc..fuck it,i would estimate within like two years some shit is going down.
Not much time on this library computer...
@profitis
Concerning the whole post immediately above...I absolutely agree with everything you said.
I could expound upon this, but not now, unfortunately.
I do have time to upload this:
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2011/07/the-coming-cyber-collapse-of-society-873930.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2011/07/the-coming-cyber-collapse-of-society-873930.html)
All this is true and I'll tell you why: Smart programmers exist who can make full use of all the ' in's-and-out's ' of the 'C' programming language.
(I used to be an electronic technician before I was disabled, so I did have some experience in the field.)
Did you know the language was invented by Ma Bell so that they could control relays associated with their telephone system? Hackers can do the same with our infrastructure.
Trillions of dollars were---and are---being borrowed to finance the current business boom. It'll all come due eventually.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 07, 2013, 03:57:33 PM
Not much time on this library computer...
@profitis
Concerning the whole post immediately above...I absolutely agree with everything you said.
Here you go; this should be
THE sign to point in the direction of America's future...
http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/16/levin-u-s-govt-preparing-for-civil-societys-collapse-by-buying-up-billions-of-rounds-of-ammo/
Comments, anyone?
--Lee
@big.. citizens also hording weapons of all kinds incase of a scenario.your gun is going to be your best friend(aswell as your 6th sense)in a economic wipeout i would surmise.elites will defend each other first then turn on each other later in such a scenario and when elites turn against each other then things get realy realy nasty.only a radical shift in political ideology can turn this road in my opinion..some type of internal based ideology that suits all,a spiritual type of ideology that ecompasses things that are common to all religions.it has to be an ideology of dictatorial order,the polar opposite to the chaotic violently materialist order we have now.this chaos is affecting evryone worldwide,this anti-spiritual materialist disorder.
Wars have broken out because people were scared of what was happening with their economics.World war 11 being such a war.I have been reading books.And they have different outlooks depending on the different authors.One book tells me how to be a millionaire provided I have 30 or more years to work and save before retirement.Im now retired but I can still put some money back.Another book tells me that Jobs will continue to leave the USA for China and cheaper labor elsewhere for the next 20 years(book was written in 2007).Same book says giant retailers are driving smaller businesses out of business.Walmart,Bass Pro and Cabela are mentioned.Same book says Gap between Rich and poor will continue to widen in the USA in the near future.One thing I know now the rest of the world will get richer as the USA gets poorer."Free Lunch"by David Cay Johnston published and CC. 2007.Tells how the rich get richer and USA taxpayers pay the bill.Very scary because main street is forced to pay the bill for rich corporations and the wealthiest americans.
triffid
A link to free stuff for seniors http://www.retireamericanstyle.com/grants-for-senior-citizens.html (http://www.retireamericanstyle.com/grants-for-senior-citizens.html)
triffid
No need to pony up cash for the link above.Or here.
http://www.retireamericanstyle.com/grants-for-senior-citizens.html (http://www.retireamericanstyle.com/grants-for-senior-citizens.html) I did see an ad here at OU for senior benefits.
very true @ triffid,however the thing that gives rise to anger stems more from psychological sense of alienation than from the struggle to maintain on the economic par with the privaledged in my opinion thus the need for an ideological shift. Its one thing to compete for survival(this is normal),but another to be forcefully psychologicaly alienated(this is abnormal).the ideological worship of wealth and pleasure is truly preposterous in my opinion and feeds an increasing resentment from the majority of any population group in any country.this needs to be adressed immediately.
Regarding profitis' posted reply on 10 Aug...
Wow, profitis, I like everything you say. I agree with everything. I usually just keep my opinions to myself, since if I told the obvious, logical truth to most people, I would eventually become a target of resistance and more. I'm already thought of being strange with my Asperger's syndrome as it is.
If it isn't an economic collapse, then social unrest will be just as bad. I didn't know this when I started this thread. At least I can say it now.
--Lee
I agree that social unrest is coming.At least riots are coming.I hope to never kill anyone myself,only in self defense.If its a case of him or me.I chose it to be him.I would not kill anyone over a scrap of bread or an egg.Most of us americans will not allow another american to starve.We may not pay his medical bill or buy them smokes.I have bought a cup of senior coffee at McDonalds for one.
Warren Buffett is a pig.The media tells us to honor him because hes a billionaire.Buffett plays hardball,extracting every dollar the regulators will allow his utilities to charge,as people in six Iowa cities discovered.Buffett used government to enrich himself at the expense of others And his lobbyists found it very easy to bend the state legislators and others to his will.Warren Buffett is forcing people in Johnson City,Iowa to pay more than they should for electricity,And that means fewer jobs and more hardship for people just so he can make more billions.
I have a lot more I could talk about.It just reminds that I said over a year ago that our system is so broken,Whats the sense of doing anything?On a tv show I watched some this morning"Out of Order"
It did end on a positive note that it is up to the people to make their voice heard.Warren Buffett is not the nice man we are lead to believe that he is.Likewise for many others.Calif suffered the high electrical rates imposed on it by Ken Lay and Enron.VP Dick Cheney did nothing to keep that from happening(he did not care).Electricity prices had skyrocketed.A kilowatt of power that had cost $30.00 a year earlier was now priced at $600.When people cut back on power the prices stayed higher anyway!With corruption like this running amok in the USA.Cheney had many meetings with energy-industry executives and he fought to keep them all as secret as he could.
At that time both president Bush and VP Cheney and their aides blamed the crisis on calif officials.In 2002 Enron had collasped and Ken Lay died in july,2006.His fatal heart attack came after his fraud conviction,but before his sentencing.That means his conviction will not stand.As for the market Manipulations that cost energy customers tens of billions of dollars in electricity charges alone and left California with debt it will take two decades to pay off.And the laws that Enron had written to suit its schemes remain on the books!These laws continue to enrich the wealthy few at the expense of many through auctions that are called markets but act instead like bid-rigging systems approved by government.
The posts above come from the book" Free Lunch " by David Cay Johnson published and CC.2007.
As a free energy researcher it galls me that this corruption exists in the USA today.I came to overunity.com wanting to make a difference somehow somewhere here.I do feel that free energy is all around us.I feel that we are not even tapping 1 percent of the power that we could.Maybe thats a good thing?Who wants to accidently blow up the earth and maybe take rest of the solar system with it?Not me! triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 12, 2013, 12:10:10 AM
I agree that social unrest is coming.At least riots are coming.I hope to never kill anyone myself,only in self defense.If its a case of him or me.I chose it to be him.I would not kill anyone over a scrap of bread or an egg.Most of us americans will not allow another american to starve.
And I agree, triffid. I don't have the spare money to give anyone, but in San Francisco where I live, I get begged to by bums about 10-12 times a week. Good thing I have a place to stay. In the 80's, men who lost their jobs then and are indigent today, are mostly over 60 today---including me. The "Great Outdoors" would kill me if I had to sleep outside. In a few years, these guys aren't going to be around.
[size=78%] "Fatal [/size][size=78%]exposure to the elements"[/size][size=78%], their obituary would say.[/size]
I've seen other's post's with odd sized lettering. It just happened to me. This isn't supposed to happen on it's own.
--Lee
Hi Lee,good to hear from you.There are a couple of bums here that begged from me for a while but I did learn that both both get checks from the government but earn a "second living" by selling cans and /or begging.I heard that one of them starting taking out the trash for 2 or 3 store owners in a nearby shopping mall,earning a few bucks that way.I'm doing better by going to a senior center where I can eat lunch for $2.50 and a food bank I can go to twice a month.Salvation Army is a good place to go to here in St.Louis,mo.They help an awful lot of people.I even found a couple of churches nearby where I can eat lunch for free.
@triffid,
Concerning your post immediately above...
I do things like that, too---except eat at churches. None nearby to eat at.
I'd say, looking back at the time when I started this thread, I had the mistaken notion that things would be as either I thought they would, or else someone else did.
I didn't think of human 'free will' at the time. I didn't think of 'gradual' change for the better or worse. I thought sudden changes (rather like the Stock Crash of '29) was normal).
The economy is limping along, being held up by bank lending---and walking on a knife-edge of depression on one side and collapse on the other, as well.
I'd just say, to TRY and answer WilbyInebriated's question of, "when will it happen?", is that I'm not running the country and I'm not responsible for other people's actions.
He wants concise, exact predictions? I predict he, like others, will need to be adaptable and ready for anything in the future. Including defending himself to the death against attackers. It could happen, although I hope it doesn't.
I certainly realize there's always the possibility of someone bigger and tougher than me 'around the corner', as it were.
Does he?
I told "Dr." Nowak the Nazi, whom I suspect may have Jewish ancestry as I do, that he can be watched, just as he knows the "boys at Langley" can do, and that I have no fear of death now. I've had cancer and I'm over 60 with poor genes in my family's past generations. I may indeed be required to go down fighting with at least an edged weapon in my hand---but I'm ready for that if need be.
You, triffid, seem like the kind no-nonsense guy to think similarly. We may both be faced with hard choices, like "me or him".
I choose "me."
--Lee
Like you, Lee,I chose "me".In self defense that is.So far I have been "asked" for money.Not robbed at gunpoint.Lucky me so far.But I have been robbed in other ways.Money that was borrowed and never paid back.The squatters that were in this house before me stole items from this house.Big items but without videos of them taking items out the police are not interested.Its a civil matter I was told not a criminal matter.If I take a gun after them then I am breaking the law.Then I get to spend years in jail.All over six people today who still have to pay someone rent and bills.The one who started it all for my family still works at the same place for six years.Her foot hurts,her leg hurts,and shes still very ugly.So far that is my revenge. triffid
A dark day for Egypt! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/15/world/middleeast/egypt.html?hp&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/15/world/middleeast/egypt.html?hp&_r=0)
A post from one reader whom I agree with---This was not unexpected. No country could allow a fringe elements occupying squares in a city. They have been there almost 6 weeks and despite requests and efforts at dialogue from the EU, US etc. the Muslim Brotherhood refused all negotiation and held tight on their demands. They knew that Morsi could never come back and that the MB constitution was not going to be restored -- yet they persisted in those demands.In any sense they asked for this forcible removal to happen. They chose this path. They would not negotiate, they would not join the political process despite inducements offered etc. In short they chose this path over national reconciliation showing themselves to be religious fanatics. They wanted to be martyrs and when someone has that mentality -- reason and dialogue is impossible.I hope the government can restore control quickly but I fear this will take a long time. and the MB will keep up the incitement and eventually they will be outlawed and driven underground as happened under Nasser.
Quote from: triffid on August 14, 2013, 07:48:57 PM
A dark day for Egypt! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/15/world/middleeast/egypt.html?hp&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/15/world/middleeast/egypt.html?hp&_r=0)
Crap. This brings back a bad memory. I'm a veteran of the former protest,
"Occupy S.F." I was present in my tent when, at 1:45 A.M. exactly, the local S.F. cops raided the camp and tore it down.
Everyone, however, was given 25 mins. to get their things together and leave on their own without further incident against them. I was one who left and went back out on the streets. For 3 more weeks. Then I found a bed at a special place(a drug/alacohol treatment shelter), the management of which allowed me to stay there---even though I don't have those problems---and I stayed in the women's wing with the other transgendered/transsexual tenents until I found my present apartment.
WHAT HAPPENED IN EGYPT WAS A CRIME!!!!!!!Reading the news report hurt my heart. I know, as a military veteran, what those weapons will do to someone who gets in the way of a bullet. Okay, triffid. You have a point: The Muslim Brotherhood is dispicible. Exactly. But the Egyptian military isn't any better.
These people are wildly emotional when they're angry. I had ancient ancestors from that part of the world and they're the same today as they were then. A bloodbath may yet ensue, as it could be put.
--Lee
whats going to happen if a dollar collapse comes,a massive political vaccuum will breed all kinds of extremist ideologies of the right and left thats why i say now is the time for ideology renewal and it must be done fast before this point is reached. the elites may want to deflect this energy away from themselves and onto other parts of the globe meantime,this may ignite even bigger fires,fires that cant be put out.
funny.this page is co-incidentaly page num 666 in imode! Lol,omg
Democracy is not an easy path.Egypt may still find her way.The USA went through some difficult times too,including a civil war.There is hope for Egypt yet!Today I found this link http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/walmart-earnings-miss-exposes-collapsing-economy-davidowitz-142435260.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/walmart-earnings-miss-exposes-collapsing-economy-davidowitz-142435260.html)
here they are saying that Walmart shows our(USA) economy is collapsing.I also saw an article saying that APPLE computers is hiring like crazy in China.I wonder if there is a connection? Duh??
Fuel cells at ten times the power and one-tenth the cost. http://news.yahoo.com/meet-cube-fuel-cell-future-122700537.html (http://news.yahoo.com/meet-cube-fuel-cell-future-122700537.html)
My book "the long boom" said fuel cells will play an important part in our future.
Not too surprised either to learn that Egypt is considering outlawing the MB. http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-considers-outlawing-muslim-brotherhood-133719274.html (http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-considers-outlawing-muslim-brotherhood-133719274.html)
@Profitis:
whats going to happen if a dollar collapse comes,a massive political vaccuum will breed all kinds of extremist ideologies of the right and left thats why i say now is the time for ideology renewal and it must be done fast before this point is reached. the elites may want to deflect this energy away from themselves and onto other parts of the globe meantime,this may ignite even bigger fires,fires that cant be put out.
I posed this question in the form of "what if the Fed proposes we change to a new currency?" a few pages ago. I think they will get by with it and we will again be the losers. Re-defining money seems to me the only way to clear the balance sheets if that is in any way a goal. :o
That would be one way to let the EU and the US out of their debt and I suppose China and maybe Russia would gain a large stake in the new currency. Of course these elites would just rack up a new debt with their new currency and maybe only buy some time till they had to do it again. What would we lose???? Land perhaps? More? Who knows.
Thanks,
Ken
hi @ken.the u.s. and e.u. will never change their currencies as that is their power base.they have to hold up and pump up the values of those currencies to maintain global dominance however,hyperinflation is setting in internaly and that is extremely dangerous.they should go onto to some sort of gold standard to prop those currencies up realisticly instead of hypotheticaly otherwise hyperinflation eats away at the economy.how would a currency change alleviate debt @ken?would it decentralise or hypercentralise government dictatorship?who would benefit? Important questions ken.
Meet the top ten richest members of Congress! http://news.yahoo.com/richest-members-of-congress-221704397.html (http://news.yahoo.com/richest-members-of-congress-221704397.html)
Im against any kind of gold standard.It would make money(scarce) hard to get.Also the very wealthy have most of the gold and silver anyway.It would just make them more wealthy.triffid
More on Egypt and from a newsletter I received So I am not the original author here: The talking heads on TV keep predicting "civil war" in Egypt. With 900 civilians and 100 police reportedly killed since last week, I don't know what else to call it. In today's morning edition, James DiGeorgia said the violence, chaos and bloodshed in Egypt (http://www.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/violence-chaos-bloodshed-and-opportunity-16958) is setting up a larger regional conflict. I highly suggest you read his outlook, if you haven't yet had a chance.
This afternoon I want to dig a little deeper into the root cause of Egypt's turmoil. The sources I've read suggest it all boils down to one word: water. The country doesn't have enough of it.
Egypt is not the only nation with a water problem. What you see now may happen again in other countries ... and not just in the Middle East.
First, a quick refresher on Egypt's recent history. In January 2011, widespread protests forced longtime president Hosni Mubarak out of office. Military authorities took charge while various factions negotiated a new constitution.
A June 2012 election, while widely regarded as fair and democratic, elevated Mohamed Morsi to the presidency. His Muslim Brotherhood party gained control of the government.
The Morsi administration's policies did not please the public. More demonstrations this summer drove him out of office, too. Egypt's military leadership installed another interim government. Now Morsi supporters are angry, causing the current violence.
Those are the facts, as fairly as I know how to present them. Questions remain, however. What happened in 2010-2011 to make the public rebel against Mubarak? And why was the public no happier with the new, freely elected Morsi government?
@triffid..well if no gold backs it up then what will?its gona be toilet paper eventualy lol.
Quote from: profitis on August 20, 2013, 10:41:17 PM
@triffid..well if no gold backs it up then what will?its gona be toilet paper eventualy lol.
You make a good point, unintentionally, I think, profitus. Toilet paper can be used for barter if and when the economy collapses. Canned food, soap, water purification tablets, guns and especially ammo for the guns, medical supplies, etc, etc, etc. Who can eat a bar of gold? Barter is better than nothing if you have something to barter with. A doctor can do well in such a situation.
The regional conflict possibility can hold true for Egypt and Syria, in particular. The Russians are supplying the currently ruling partie(s) and Iran is supplying the rebels. Regional conflict in the making.
Let's be glad we don't live in that part of the world.
--Lee
@Profitus:
Thank you for your reply. Where I was leading with my "leading" post is precisely decentralization. I have heard blurbs here and there for the past two years or so that the one world government crowd wants one currency. One way to do that is to offer a formula for all debt forgiveness in the issuance. Agree? Let's face it, we have decided to go the way of Greece in the US; simply printing (not even that just saying we have created) more money supply in hopes of propping up our stock markets. Where the inflation is showing up here the most right now is in food prices. Especially those food stocks that are interdependent on oil for manufacture and / or shipping. Things like bread and milk have doubled in the last three years. I would not put it past leaders to drool over the possibility of resetting debt to gain more power and control. Losers...All consumers. The new currency would make a loaf of bread that is 5.00 now be the equivalent of probably 15.00, but look like 2.00 in the new currency. The perfect plot to syphon the rest of the capital from the middle class?
Your thoughts please.
Thanks,
Ken
Right now our paper money(currency) is backed by paper(bonds).Then most of our banks practice fractional banking.Then there are all forms of credit(bad and good).http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/lack-physical-gold-demand-spark-spectacular-rise-says-122848744.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/lack-physical-gold-demand-spark-spectacular-rise-says-122848744.html) perdicts an increase in the price of gold.What I see here is the elite rasing the price of gold to suit their own goals.It does not cost that much to affect the price of gold.Just a mere rumor saying that China will sell its gold bullion.Dropped the price of gold recently.If I were in on the plan.I would sell my gold before I started the rumor.Buy back my gold and more,then creat more rumor(gold is scarce now) to start driving the price back up again.This is what I see now.triffid
http://www.borganic.net (http://www.borganic.net) is a website I found a few days ago.I saw a program on public TV,where recycled materials are used in remodeling a house.I went there and found wild edible foods that I never saw presented as food anywhere.Maple leaf seeds(the helicopters) are a food in their own right.So now I offer it here for people to look at.Guess I will fight the squirrels this fall for maple leaf seeds?They also contain sugar.triffid
http://www.borganic.net/projects.php?subj=1&season=3&episode=301 (http://www.borganic.net/projects.php?subj=1&season=3&episode=301)
http://www.borganic.net/projects.php?subj=2&category=4&page=6 (http://www.borganic.net/projects.php?subj=2&category=4&page=6)
One currency is a dream and will not happen any time soon for the same reason that one single earthly government wont rule over each country. Everyone wants to do it their way. Each economy has different strengths. I bet Germany rues the day it bothered with the EURO. What a epic fail. A nice big crash is coming and no amount of talking is going to change that.
Get on with living.
More on Egypt:I think the answer is very simple. Millions of Egyptians are angry and frustrated because their economy no longer supports even a basic standard of living. The ingredients simply aren't there. This isn't a religious conflict. It is a resourceconflict
Egypt's population, now around 80 million, has grown 21% since the year 2000. About 40% of them have $2 or less in daily income. This meager amount was once just enough to feed a family, thanks to government food subsidies.
The money for those subsidies came from Egypt's oil export revenue. Unfortunately, oil production peaked in 1996 at 935,000 barrels per day and has gone downhill ever since. In 2010, Egyptian oil consumption exceeded its oil production. The former oil exporter became a net oil importer. Not coincidentally, riots forced out Mubarak the next year.
Oil shortages weren't the only problem, though. As recently as the 1960s, Egypt produced enough food to support itself. Now, with the vast majority of food imported, Egyptians have to pay world-market food prices.
Global wheat prices doubled between June 2010 and February 2011. It wasn't pleasant for anyone, but for Egyptians it was life or death. Food riots swept the country, Mubarak could not satisfy the crowds, and here we are.
In Egipt, Mursi made this conflict strictly religious: His religious group wanted to initiate more or less, but rather more STRICT, RELIGIOUS RESTRAINTS.
Quote from: Qwert on August 23, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
In Egipt, Mursi made this conflict strictly religious: His religious group wanted to initiate more or less, but rather more STRICT, RELIGIOUS RESTRAINTS.
Qwert has a point, but so does triffid, IMO. The Muslim Brotherhood is radical, but Mursi's bunch wanted it their way, too, right? The military is another factor, with guns, and can inflame the situation, badly, if they decide to really impose their will with deadly force. The common people are in the middle? No food or water, or both, will make a person desperate in a hurry. And the economy of Egypt can't be doing great with all the demonstrations and riots.
I don't know if the Egyptian citizens can voluntarily pull their country back from the brink of civil war or total collapse, but the whole situation is going downhill, IMO, and mob rule doesn't usually make for clear-headed, intelligent, forthright decisions with respect to the greater good for all.
--Lee
On public tv I heard the USA needs Egypt as an ally in the area.So most likely we will continue to provide aid to the military (1.2 billion).Saudia Arabia has pledged 12 billion if western powers stop providing aid. So time will tell what happens here.
Let's just hope they don't decide to let out whatever they have locked up in these bunkers.
Quote from: triffid on August 25, 2013, 11:51:53 PM
On public tv I heard the USA needs Egypt as an ally in the area.So most likely we will continue to provide aid to the military (1.2 billion).Saudia Arabia has pledged 12 billion if western powers stop providing aid. So time will tell what happens here.
Morsi supporters are mainly the Muslim Brotherhood, and this is what the average Egyptian thinks of them:
http://www.arabtoday.net/in-the-headlines/no-sympathy-for-morsi-supporters-in-egypt.html (http://www.arabtoday.net/in-the-headlines/no-sympathy-for-morsi-supporters-in-egypt.html)
Now, what'll happen? The Muslim Brotherhood is outnumbered by most Egyptians, so what can they do to get their way?
--Lee
Please correct me, but as I understood it Mubarak simply was not "sharing the wealth" - by that I mean the 1.5 billion in aid the IMF...US gave him each year for assistance to his countrymen. I'm guessing that Morsi...or is it Mursi? exploited this fact in order to start a revolution that the US gov't ended up backing. Am I wrong about this? Now the people are still hurting with no real solution in sight for them. The military appears to be the actual in-charge group and the politicians are having to woo them in order to gain assistance in cementing a control of sorts. Losers...as always, the people.
Thanks,
Ken
I'll start with this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Morsi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Morsi)
Quote from: ecKen on August 26, 2013, 10:27:44 PM
Please correct me, but as I understood it Mubarak simply was not "sharing the wealth" - by that I mean the 1.5 billion in aid the IMF...US gave him each year for assistance to his countrymen.
Corruption is prevalent everywhere and the Arab world is no different. I wouldn't be surprised if you're more right than wrong.
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I'm guessing that Morsi...or is it Mursi? exploited this fact in order to start a revolution that the US gov't ended up backing. Am I wrong about this?
Well, he was elected, but then he decided to side with the Muslim Brotherhood (Right? True?) and then do a Hitler impression and grab all the power. The Brotherhood is still behind Mursi. THE MILITARY has the guns as well as The Brotherhood. A Mexican standoff?
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Now the people are still hurting with no real solution in sight for them. The military appears to be the actual in-charge group and the politicians are having to woo them in order to gain assistance in cementing a control of sorts.
Looks that way to me. The Brotherhood is less numerous than the military and is distrusted by the people. However, I'm confident they have the backing of other radical Muslims around the Arab world and can bring in men and guns if need be.
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Losers...as always, the people.
And I know what that feels like.
(I feel like an Egyptian peasant ("fellah" in Egyptian Arabic---honestly, that's possibly where the English expression came from.)
Seriously though, It's the ordinary people and the poor who're pawns in a power game/struggle between heavyweight Gov't bullies and criminal-minded thugs like The Brotherhood who put the public between them and use them as shields.
--Lee
Now it appears that we will strike Syria for using chemical weapons against their own people.
Hi Lee,
Hi Triffid,
Thank you for the reply and link for the education. It appears that Mursi is merely another career politician from way back simply doing what up and comers do...step on whomever it takes to get the power they...deserve? at least in their mind? Nothing new there except the scenery, right? Again, the people are the losers. No help for them regardless of the humanitarian aid sent. It never reaches them.
Now this Syria thing is really serious, I think. Most likely Russia and China both will come out against us if we decide to flex our military muscle there. Russia has been invested in Syria for years along with and through Iran, and China has definitely cultivated a friendship with Iran as well. Sortof an unspoken bunch of allies. I do know that the bases here in NC and SC have their guys on alert and getting ready to go. Scary, really. We don't need this.
Thanks again. Your thoughts?
Thanks,
Ken
Quote from: ecKen on August 27, 2013, 11:49:27 PM
Hi Lee,
Hi Triffid,
Thank you for the reply and link for the education.
Ken,
I don't feel well, so I'll get this out while I'm able...
There's several papers in the financial community that predict a massive financial meltdown in the future and the main reason(s) are that nothing was done to correct the original problem(s).
I'm going home and rest now, but I agree with the prediction: They're right. Nothing. Was. Done.
--Lee
Hi Lee,
I hope you can rest and will be praying for you. The economic disaster you are talking about is real and in a normal world would have already happened, I think. If governments had to account for themselves with balance sheets like we do to our governments it would already be over. My earlier comments about simply changing currency goes as much to my contempt for their disregard of anything sane with respect to fiscal policy and responsibility as it does to my distrust for their integrity...what integrity?
Triffid: You are right. Syria is next on our list of folks to invade and...liberate? Unfortunately it was most likely the Muslim rebels aligned with al-quieda (not sure of spelling) that did the gassing in order to get us to do their dirty work and take out Assad. He was winning support back in Syria from the rebels and apparently we want him out. Can you say Lybia and Egypt all over again? This time, though, we are playing with the big boys (Russia and China) alone and I think the Saudi's probably don't like us messing up their part of the world all around them; turning their neighbors into radical Muslim nations instead of nicely controlled peoples that left them alone. That makes sense to me anyway. Time will tell.
Thanks and best to you both.
Ken
Quote from: ecKen on September 04, 2013, 11:41:20 PM
Hi Lee,
I hope you can rest and will be praying for you.
I got some rest and food and feel better, now.
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The economic disaster you are talking about is real and in a normal world would have already happened, I think. If governments had to account for themselves with balance sheets like we do to our governments it would already be over.
I myself am a very liberal, religious Jew and I believe men are as evil as King David and the Apostle Paul say they are. These politicians are just smart enough to perform the required flim-flam to keep the whole charade going as long as possible.
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My earlier comments about simply changing currency goes as much to my contempt for their disregard of anything sane with respect to fiscal policy and responsibility as it does to my distrust for their integrity...what integrity?
Exactly. My point above stands as is. The idea triffid was promoting was, and is, self-reliance and self-determined freedom. Right. Couldn't put it better myself. I just think the economy is poised to self-destruct with a day's warning at the most. I have what I can afford to protect myself, if need be.
--Lee
Russian warships on the move! http://news.yahoo.com/russian-warships-cross-bosphorus-en-route-syria-141156573.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russian-warships-cross-bosphorus-en-route-syria-141156573.html) Looks like saber rattling to me.Didn't we see predictions of nuclear war earlier in this thread if we moved against Syria?I would not be surprised if a shot were fired across our bow.My research says that chemical and biological weapons are just as dangerous or more so than nuclear weapons.triffid
USA incomes due to go lower in the next 30 years. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/why-incomes-could-fall-next-30-years-151334171.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/why-incomes-could-fall-next-30-years-151334171.html) .As more jobs leave this country to go overseas.US incomes will fall lower.Maybe until 2050?triffid
Those numbers might sound small, but over time they would add up to a significant loss of purchasing power for the typical American and a long era of decline for the nation as a whole. A typical worker earning $50,000 today would earn only about $48,400 by 2020 if his or her income fell by the amounts projected in the study. The worker's income would fall to about $45,900 in 2030, $45,000 in 2040 and to less than $44,000 in 2050. In a society built upon consumer power and the idea that succeeding generations leap ahead of preceding ones—rather than fall behind them—four decades of falling incomes could be catastrophic.
Remember that our currency will continue to be debased.And that future dollars will buy less and less.
I just wanted to pass this along here.I understand that the kepler telescope can no longer be properly aimed to study any section of the sky now.Something on the telescope failed to hold the scope for hours and hours to peer into a section of the sky.It had a two year mission to find more exoplanets outside of our solar system.Failing after one year is a serious setback no doubt but from they have seen so far tells them(Nasa) that there may be at least 340,000 earthlike planets just in our milky way galaxy.When I think of 340,000 possible earths.I think we should stop acting like children and set forth into the cosmos . To colonize as many planets as possible
@triffid
QuoteWhen I think of 340,000 possible earths.I think we should stop acting like children and set forth into the cosmos . To colonize as many planets as possible
Lol, and what would they do on these new planets?, well like any civilized Earthling they would rape, pillage and plunder just as they have always done throughout their history. To be honest if I was an alien I would not let these egomaniacs off the planet come hell or high water.
If your doing something stupid then doing it on a larger scale doesn't make it any less stupid. We need to learn our lesson the hard way and if they are stupid enough to shit in their own bed then they deserve to lie in it.
Although I would agree we are acting like children and maybe it is about time to take responsibility for our actions versus denial as we have always done in the past.
AC
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When I think of 340,000 possible earths.I think we should stop acting like children and set forth into the cosmos . To colonize as many planets as possible
The thought of 340,000 planet Earths within our
galaxy is a bit frightening. Until we learn to
overcome our desires to enslave and destroy
we should be barred from galactic ambitions.
What Planet Earth has become is Hell.
I doubt that those nefarious elites who rule this
planet will ever stop acting like unruly children.
Quote from: triffid on September 05, 2013, 11:36:52 PM
USA incomes due to go lower in the next 30 years. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/why-incomes-could-fall-next-30-years-151334171.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/why-incomes-could-fall-next-30-years-151334171.html) .As more jobs leave this country to go overseas.US incomes will fall lower.Maybe until 2050?triffid
triffid, you might have a point...?
One of the reasons I will have been hired to my uncoming job is because I can design military offensive and defensive weapon systems to put people to work and provide a economic boost to certain defense related industries.
Sure, it's saber-rattling by itself, but IMO, my employer's own company analysts, who also had a voice in recommending my being hired---and my own intuition---indicates, as triffid predicts and suggests, a military showdown could be coming over Syrian defense by Russia and Iran as well, while we have---I believe?---fewer warships in that part of the world than the Russians do.
--Lee
Quote from: SeaMonkey on September 06, 2013, 12:31:29 AM
The thought of 340,000 planet Earths within our
galaxy is a bit frightening. Until we learn to
overcome our desires to enslave and destroy
we should be barred from galactic ambitions.
While I consider myself fairly religious, I'll frame my response in those readily recognizable parameters...
I believe the evil in leaders spiritual and emotional mind's and soul's is increasing, IMHO, and they themselves will probably be forced to stop trashing the planet for their own good, and ours, as well by some Higher Force and Greater Good, whether they like it or not.
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What Planet Earth has become is Hell.
And I agree. I feel like Job in the Old Testament, sometimes. I predict more people will feel like me and begin taking 'matters into their own hands', because they may think they have nothing else to lose. Death may be preferable to more and more suffering without end.
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I doubt that those nefarious elites who rule this planet will ever stop acting like unruly children.
Maybe not, as long as they're alive. I believe karma can sneek up on a person and deal a decisive 'kick in the crotch', and these elite "children" will find out they can't have it all their way, all the time.
--Lee
I was very surprised when Obama did not order a strike on his own,but decided to take it to the congress instead.Now the American public?The last time congress was involved was right after Pearl Harbor.Right then the USA declared war on Japan.All the other military actions after that was not brought before congress.Instead the president ordered them on his own.From what I understand.
As for the 340,000 earthlike worlds in the milky way.We will have to grow up some more to even reach them.Also a world 6.1 times the mass of the earth means 6.1 times the weight.So a 200 lb man on earth becomes over 1200 lbs on the earthlike world just mentioned.triffid
Aye, positive change for Planet Earth and
the People is in the works but we must
endure the present evil for a time yet.
The super-galaxy was made to exist for
a purpose and our travel to outer space
and beyond may well be part of the plan
once Planet Earth becomes what it was
meant to be...
The Forces of Good and Truth do win the
looming confrontation which follows the
coming great war.
Hey Guys,
I think our decision to hold off taking Assad out was based solely on public opinion. The press did not do a good enough job convincing the sheeple that Assad was behind the nerve gas killings and not the rebels. That's why Obama went to Congress, for deniability later on. Now that Putin has one-upped Karey and the administration, this whole thing will likely fizzle out. At least I hope so. This bunch is so image conscious that it may play out that way, anyhow. The seriousness of getting involved with Syria, Iran, Russia, and maybe even the Saudi's should give them pause for clearer thinking instead of headline grabbing. Again, at least I hope so.
As to the newly discovered solar systems: Didn't some company offer deeds to stars for a novelty a few years back? I expect the owners will be getting property tax bills now. ;D
Later,
Ken
I do believe that I heard someone was selling deeds to land on the moon.Of course they are not legal.Not yet anyway.I see that these 340,000 new earthtype worlds could harbor lots of life.Maybe even intelligent life?While I see the stories of 260 alien races as mostly cold war stories.It could be we are the only so called intelligent race of beings in our milky way galaxy.If we are the only ones then it is up to us to spread out to the rest of the universe.It is up to us to not destroy ourselves.If we do destroy ourselves then the universe will not be any worse off than it is now.
I personally do not favor us getting involved in another war but I would be in favor of stopping another Hitler.triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 11, 2013, 08:48:54 PM
I personally do not favor us getting involved in another war but I would be in favor of stopping another Hitler.triffid
triffid,
I think we all would like to do that, but
"War" is a dangerously fatal game. And, I think, the world has dozens to choose from. Egypt, N. Korea, China, Iran, Syria---of course---to name a few.
Not to dampen your spirit, but I'm becoming less and less agressive as I continue changing---mentally, emotionally and physically---with the hormone(s) I take. AND I'm glad I'm changing. It's an improvement over having what amounts to a giant Norwegian troll in my subconscious trying to rip what positive thoughts and emotions I have to shreds. That's the easy, short explanation. The long one would probably be too stressful to relate in the written English language on this scren.
However, things are actually dragging on and on, aren't they? Political and military conditions are gradually getting worse with financial 'bigwigs' here and in Europe trying very hard to keep the whole 'shebang' afloat. Okay, then. What happens now is anyone's guess? I'm surprised we're still here in a society that isn't rioting with a civil war like in Syria. Wouldn't count that out as being impossible. Civil war with martial law, that is. Just an opinion I have, for its 2 cents worth.
--Lee
Well guys, I see by rereading my post immediately above, I can see why this thread can to a halt at once. You'd rather talk among yourselves, but not with me? WOW, that's decades old to me by now. A fairly large number of people do that and have for a long time. Makes me glad I have Asperger's syndrome, finally. Otherwise, it's a bitch to be intelligent and so different that others think I'm an S.O.B.
I'll tell you what, though, look at this:
http://garydbarnett.com/GDBdaily/?p=1675 (http://garydbarnett.com/GDBdaily/?p=1675)
The economy could actually get so bad that civil unrest requires the use of martial law. Wait. Have you heard of the science fiction author, Robert Heinlein? His novels resonated with my intuition since I was about 14 and still do today. In one novel, a "corporate takeover" of the Gov't will happen. I believe he was using the term "corporate", or possibly "company", loosely.
I had to learn about the less visible nature of the gray and black market to finally decide he was trying to predict the future. But that's about all I say, IMO, but certain information was imparted to me when I was hired to my present part-time job. About WHY I should take the job. It was an offer I couldn't refuse, in the truest sense of the phrase compared to "The Godfather" movie. The last thing you did was refuse to do as you were told in "The Godfather".
Absolutely. The. Last. Thing.
I'd do what I could to protect your relatives, friends, belongings and food supply, if I were you. I'm doing several things different than that, but my future, I assert, is also different than most people's, I also assert. You don't think I have the truth? Fine. No problem to me. You're on your own, as I said earlier.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on September 07, 2013, 12:19:52 PM
I was very surprised when Obama did not order a strike on his own,but decided to take it to the congress instead.Now the American public?The last time congress was involved was right after Pearl Harbor.Right then the USA declared war on Japan.All the other military actions after that was not brought before congress.Instead the president ordered them on his own.From what I understand.
As for the 340,000 earthlike worlds in the milky way.We will have to grow up some more to even reach them.Also a world 6.1 times the mass of the earth means 6.1 times the weight.So a 200 lb man on earth becomes over 1200 lbs on the earthlike world just mentioned.triffid
Hi triffid, Interesting, so you think gravitational intensity is a function of planet size ? Is there any evidence for that.
I don't think it is.
Cheers
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Have you heard of the science fiction author, Robert Heinlein? His novels resonated with my intuition since I was about 14 and still do today. In one novel, a "corporate takeover" of the Gov't will happen. I believe he was using the term "corporate", or possibly "company", loosely.
Aye, the Corporate re-organization of the U.S.
government into Corporation U.S. was nearly
completed by 1912; in 1913 the Corporation
began exercising its deceptive legislative muscle.
By 1935 nearly every office, elected or appointed,
had been filled with Corporate Entities. The
Republic has existed in
Name Only since then.
Regarding your prior posting; sometimes
discussion comes to a temporary stall when
there is agreement.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on September 14, 2013, 08:48:15 PM
Aye, the Corporate re-organization of the U.S. government into Corporation U.S. was nearly completed by 1912; in 1913 the Corporation began exercising its deceptive legislative muscle.
Well, yeah, that may be so, but IMHO, I meant the term "Company" to be more like organized crime as a cover for the nickname of "The Company". On the streets in some cities, that's what
"The Mob" is called because they're into all business activity you can think of. Robert Heinlein featured in a novel, a takeover of the whole country by "Big Business" vested interests---and I think this is possible. I believe it can happen.
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By 1935 nearly every office, elected or appointed, had been filled with Corporate Entities. The Republic has existed in Name Only since then.
Yeah, political process is being run by shady vested interests and has been for, ummmmmm, I'd say 150 years, at least. Nobody gets elected unless they play the game according to "The Company's" rules, I was told awhile ago by a friend in another state.
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Regarding your prior posting; sometimes discussion comes to a temporary stall when
there is agreement.
I have the opinion it's something more than that. The same thing happened when I announced that I might be leaving the Internet for a job I landed. This thread stopped then and there. I was making an incorrect assumption, but that was all.
Not everybody is comfortable with my being gender variant. Some people won't stay in the same room with me. That, I think, is part of the answer.
--Lee
I happened to go past a sidewalk dispenser for free newspapers and picked up the latest edition of "El Reportero", a bilingual Spanish/English weekly local Socialist free newspaper.
Syria was a big concern to old author of an article. He likened it to a regional conflict that could get out of hand and possibly proceed to WWIII. As it is, arms and men are pouring into the country as I write.
American destroyers, and at least one Russian cruiser, are in the area or on their way. Rival countries are warning each other to be MORE THAN careful in handling the military situation in the region. Both sides in the conflict are guilty of war crimes and nobody is sqeaky clean when the apparent truth of the various potential atrocities perpetrated by both sides are finally made known.
Great. I said the economy doesn't necessarily need to collapse in order to make people's lives turn into hell on earth. I meant what I said. This thread's title is becoming outdated by fact of the potential of WWIII occuring in the future. And WWIII is just as bad an economic depression. There's still time to get ready for those who think it's coming.
--Lee
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Well, yeah, that may be so, but IMHO, I meant the term "Company" to be more like organized crime as a cover for the nickname of "The Company". On the streets in some cities, that's what "The Mob" is called because they're into all business activity you can think of. Robert Heinlein featured in a novel, a takeover of the whole country by "Big Business" vested interests---and I think this is possible. I believe it can happen.
Aye, and it has. Corporation U.S. is indeed
a Criminal Enterprise consisting of diverse
"vested interests." It is all about "business."
Each morning when a court comes into session
the clerk makes an announcement which
signifies how the Corporation works.
The process of "making a living" in today's
U.S. of A. is defined as "doing business."
Our lives are literally "business."
Tonight I watched the first episode of "Sleepy Hollow".I had been waiting for it for weeks.Politics of 250 years ago are mentioned in it,also references to magic,and the bible.I do believe harder times are ahead for Americans.I have been reading some of my 2000 plus books trying to learn things in the financial realm.I do believe that the USA will survive,Many problems will not be addressed until we force our leaders to address them.It is very popular to say that things are bad.I am now reading two different books.One on how to start a home business.Thousands of americans have started businesses at home.The book is about 430 pages and its called"Working from Home" by Paul and Sarah Edwards.
cc.1990.A home business can be started with very low costs and may be the only way for a lot of people to earn a living.One guy mentioned in the book put his home office in a tent on his deck and commuted 20 feet to his house.Another person put a sheet on her table, placed her materials on it and when finished folded up the corners of the sheet into a bundle.Placing her bundle into a closet until she was ready to work again.(it was called her "sheet office") in the book.
Yes, the amount of mass of a planet or moon affects the gravity present.For example the moon has about one sixth the gravity of earth.And mars about 1/3 the gravity of earth.Its a 1 to 1 proportion when you are using earth masses as a unit.So if a planet is 6 earth masses then the gravity is 6 times greater.And so on and so on. 340,000 possible earths suggest a very interesting future for mankind if we survive.I think any worlds 2 earth masses and greater would be very hard for us to live on.
Today, the shootings took place in the navy shipyards in the Washington DC area. I wonder what that was all about?Time will tell I guess.
I used my car to earn about $40.00 in the last three days.I took a neighbor to work(her transmission had burned up) she filled up my tank $20.00 worth.And today I took someone to the doctor and he gave me $20.00.He does not drive at all.It also seems that I might be able to sell some books on the internet.So maybe a small home business is in my future too?
Quote from: Farmhand on September 14, 2013, 07:33:21 PM
Hi triffid, Interesting, so you think gravitational intensity is a function of planet size ?
@Farmhand
It can be. Take a look at this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/saturn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/saturn)
The surface gravity of Saturn (I assume at the top of the visible ammonia cloud layer) is about 1.06 of Earth gravity. The escape velocity is about 35 mi/sec. ? (from my memory of the wikipedia article)
Size and volume, as well as average planetary density can have a bearing on gravity.
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Is there any evidence for that.
I don't think it is.
Wikipedia article above. Science and enginering are my Asperger's syndrome subjects of preference for daily activities.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on September 16, 2013, 10:53:54 PM
Today, the shootings took place in the navy shipyards in the Washington DC area. I wonder what that was all about?Time will tell I guess.
The shooter was deemed to have acted alone according to authorities. He was said to have
"heard voices" before the incident, as I recall from a recent report.
An elite former anti-terrorism expert I used to know in another state told me once that the power-hungry power-elite who run this country are sometimes capable of using a 'fall guy' to shoot up a crowd and then call for greater personal arms/gun controls and THEN try to confiscate handguns and rifles from citizens so that THEY alone control the guns.
That was what I was told.
--Lee
Hi Lee,the article says that mass is 95 times that of the earth.So somewhere on saturn I would weigh
95 times what I weigh on earth.The 150 moons and moonlets would be a different story all together.Since they are always orbiting the planet .If I were standing on their surface their mass would determine my weight. Gravity acts over a very short distance.The body Im the closest to determines my weight.
I heard more about the shooter today too .That he heard voices in his head.I do know the technology exists that can pick out a person in a crowd and talk only to him.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/08/21/maximize-your-wifi-range-did-you-know-savings-experiment/?ncid=txtlnkusdail00000004 (http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/08/21/maximize-your-wifi-range-did-you-know-savings-experiment/?ncid=txtlnkusdail00000004) A link to a couple of things you can do to boost your wi fi range.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 17, 2013, 05:24:19 PM
The shooter was deemed to have acted alone according to authorities. He was said to have "heard voices" before the incident, as I recall from a recent report.
An elite former anti-terrorism expert I used to know in another state told me once that the power-hungry power-elite who run this country are sometimes capable of using a 'fall guy' to shoot up a crowd and then call for greater personal arms/gun controls and THEN try to confiscate handguns and rifles from citizens so that THEY alone control the guns.
That was what I was told.
--Lee
Manchurian Candidate ?
Quote from: e2matrix on September 18, 2013, 04:21:24 PM
Manchurian Candidate ?
http://www.en.wikipedia.com/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate (http://www.en.wikipedia.com/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate)
Is that what you mean? The short answer is: Yeah, "The Manchurian Candidate" scenario is the gist of what I mean.
As triffid alluded to in another post before yours (Reply #3380), I'm told technology exists as a contrived machine that can allow the operator/programmer to communicate with someone else at a distance, even in a crowd.
I wasn't told if other things or acts can be affected at a distance as well, such as teleport a hand grenade or a block of C-4 with a detonator---and do it accurately---and have it detonate a few inches from the intended victim, as a way to assassinate someone. I hadn't heard of that yet. Yet. I wouldn't be surprised if someone in "Black Ops" was working on a way to do just that.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 18, 2013, 05:18:40 PM
http://www.en.wikipedia.com/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate (http://www.en.wikipedia.com/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate)
Is that what you mean? The short answer is: Yeah, "The Manchurian Candidate" scenario is the gist of what I mean.
The 'Enter' key is acting up on this borrowed computer and that doesn't happen fo no reason. As soon as I log off, the computer should return to normal for this computer. So, I'm implying someone is playing a game with me for reasons unknown to me. Right. To continue, think of this: There was a James Bond movie in which, as part of the plot, a demonstration was performed in front of Bond. A subordinate came in with a delivery of some kind, and after he makes the delivery, he pulls out an empty pistol and tries to shoot Bond. After pulling the trigger on an empty gun, he points the barrel at his right temple and tries to shoot himself with the
empty gun. (It was a demonstration, remember?) The Manchurian Candidate, right? As I said previously, someone told me this possible to contrive and execute, according to his opinion. Just a little more FYI for you. --Lee
Sound waves properly aimed and focused can burn the paint off of a wall.I saw proof of that in a video clip from a popular science program from the 1950s.Then a friend of mine had cyberknife surgery for her cancer before she died.It hurts like hell by the way.A fact they never told her before they did it.It consists of two laser beams intersecting each other inside the human body to burn up a cancer.The intersection point has enough heat build up to kill the cancer.But the body is left to deal with all the toxins given off by so many dead cancer cells.Infared laser beams are invisible so I wondered for a while if these were responsible for human spontanous combusion?Then I saw a video clip somewhere else where special sound equipment was used to talk only to one person out of many in a crowd.Last I read an article somewhere that radio waves had been used to produce voices in the head.
I have read a book called "How to get more from your Money" by Sylvia Porter C.C.1961.While she talks about a great many things.I want to say that she reported that back in the 1950s the worker over the age of 45 had great difficulty in getting hired.In 1955 they used to put the age limit in the job ads.1956 the companies stopped putting the age limits in print in the ads they ran.1957,by the time a man is fifty years of age,he'll be barred outright from getting a job by over 40 percent of Americas corporations.And here I was thinking this was a recent trend?Little did I know.triffid
Lee ,Maybe that enter key was sticky or the spring inside the key getting weak?Public computers do get used a lot sometime.People tend to spill stuff on the keys.triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 20, 2013, 11:25:12 AM
Lee ,Maybe that enter key was sticky or the spring inside the key getting weak?Public computers do get used a lot sometime.People tend to spill stuff on the keys.triffid
@triffid,
No, it was like, if I hit 'Enter', the cursor wouldn't go to the beginning of the next line, it would give me another screen that was mostly blank white. It takes someone's
deliberate doing to manage that. The spring action of the button was fine.
I, by BTW, am pleased to have started such a successful thread. I think the poll at the top of Page 1, as such, is the biggest on this site. 242 votes so far. People do look at the thread, but what they think of it is entirely their affair.
--Lee
Reading Sylvia Porters book from 1961 was like reading the economy today.The issues are basically the same.In short the economy has always been a problem.After WWII europe and japan cities were in ruins.But ten years later with all the cities rebuilt and new factories those people wanted to sell their goods to us.So in 1958-60 the world started trading.triffid
So for the next 50 years the issues will pretty much be the same.Loss of american jobs,increase in prices of goods and services. Discrimination against older workers,women.Etc.
You play with fire....We blithely go about our lives when there are thousands of nuclear warheads warehoused around this country along with 10's of thousands of pounds of poison gas. We worry about Iran or North Korea getting a weapon, when terrorists or some careless technician can cause a disaster with stuff already here. Of course the weapons are highly secure, right? Like the Washington Navy Yard was secure.
Some News on Obamacare http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/part-timers-losing-healthcare-insurance-may-want-thank-210354500.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/part-timers-losing-healthcare-insurance-may-want-thank-210354500.html)
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/6-things-boomers-know-obamacare-103029416.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/6-things-boomers-know-obamacare-103029416.html)
Quote from: triffid on September 20, 2013, 11:23:38 PM
Reading Sylvia Porters book from 1961 was like reading the economy today.The issues are basically the same.In short the economy has always been a problem.After WWII europe and japan cities were in ruins.But ten years later with all the cities rebuilt and new factories those people wanted to sell their goods to us.So in 1958-60 the world started trading.triffid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can't_Happen_Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can't_Happen_Here)
An Article in
El Reportero alluded to the book above to being what's happening now in this country under the current political system and prevailing economic climate. Will the current system go to a Gestapo-style dictatorship? Some say it will.
--Lee
I hope that whoever reads that book remembers how Hitler took his own life in an underground bunker to avoid being captured by russian forces.And how he had his own children murdered in the same bunker.Death was Hitlers reward.
A post from a reader from one of the links I provided on Obama care... Government forces you at gun point to pay real estate and state income taxes to provide public school education whether you have children or not and whether or not you think public school education stinks and you want to send your own kids to a private school. People with no degree in education do home schooling and do a far far better job educating their kids then public schools. I saw a poll being given on the streets of NY City where they asked people when the War of 1812 was fought. Half got it wrong or just said they did not know. Some said it was in 1945. Half of the people also said Canada was in South America and they had no idea where Afganistan was located despite our fighting a war there for years. Is it any wonder the elitists in government think the sheeple are incapable of making correct decisions about their own life? Yet these politicians will not let people opt out of public schools, keep their own money and use it to send their own kids to private schools that really teach. ObamaCare will work as good as the public schools, the US Post Office and be as efficient as Amtrak and NASA with its $150.00 hammers and $1 million toilet seats. I challenge any liberal progressive Marxist to identify any government program that ever has been efficient, cost what it was initially projected to cost, did not have enormous cost over runs, and didn't either lose tons of money year after year or just end up bankrupt.
Quote from: Triffid
I hope that whoever reads that book remembers how Hitler took his own life in an underground bunker to avoid being captured by russian forces.And how he had his own children murdered in the same bunker.Death was Hitlers reward.
So we've been told by the Soviets who had an
interest in deception. In truth, there is no forensic
evidence which has been positively identified :-X .
There are many things in the Soviet Zone of
Occupation which were altered in order to support
an AGENDA of deception; as well as in the British Zone
and in the American Zone. Thankfully, documented
truth which had been hidden and made inaccessible
is now being re-discovered and publicized.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on September 21, 2013, 10:41:45 PM
So we've been told by the Soviets who had an interest in deception. In truth, there is no forensicevidence which has been positively identified :-X .
Well, I did see a documentary on the Hitler/Russian affair, and the skull attributed to belong to Hitler was found to be from a woman, according to DNA---or actually---chromosome analysis.
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There are many things in the Soviet Zone of Occupation which were altered in order to support an AGENDA of deception; as well as in the British Zoneand in the American Zone. Thankfully, documented truth which had been hidden and made inaccessible
is now being re-discovered and publicized.
Excellent. I'd like to see more, but I think a serious amount of the information would fall under the heading of "Conspiracy Theory."
But, I believe the American Gov't would try and put as much deflecting spin on that as possible.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 21, 2013, 08:00:01 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can't_Happen_Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can't_Happen_Here)
An Article in El Reportero alluded to the book above to being what's happening now in this country under the current political system and prevailing economic climate. Will the current system go to a Gestapo-style dictatorship? Some say it will.
--Lee
An article in the Sept 4-13, '13 edition of El Reportero indicated...
1) Whistleblowers are labeled traitors and criminals.
2) The bankers who stole trillions of dollars got off 'Scot-free, as the article put it. (Bernie Madoff was an exception, probably(?) as a warning to amateurs and outsiders not to get ambitious about doing what the
Big Boys do, and in so doing, competing against them?)
3) The American Gov't spies on all citizens and arrogantly demands to continue doing it.
4) The U.S. and it's overseas puppet, NATO, wage war on the world and have opened hundreds of bases worldwide to facilitate this.
5) Result-oriented judges, appointed by obeidient politicians immunize transnational corporations from lawsuits from the public for
bona fide grievances.
6) Affordable health care, retirement, and edcuation are reserved for the power elite and the rest of the public suffers in poverty.
7) The co-called 'political parties' are merely servants to the power elite.
8.) Mass media spouts the propaganda of the moment without question to the originators of the propaganda.
9) Prison, war and violence are tools of the Gov't to control ever more rebellious members of the public.
10) Civil rights, voting, and personal freedom are seen as privledges of the wealthy and powerful.
11) Dissent equals treason. Those who voice opposition to the increasing and advancing police state are considered enemies of the state.
Sinclair Lewis' book had, as a plot point, the eventual uprising of the populace against the police state. What happened to Germany in the '30's? Nothing in the way of public indignation. The same is going on now.
Only if
ANY political revolutionaries present a positive alternative to the worsening societal situation, then the situation continues to worsen.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on September 21, 2013, 07:55:15 PM
Some News on Obamacare http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/part-timers-losing-healthcare-insurance-may-want-thank-210354500.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/part-timers-losing-healthcare-insurance-may-want-thank-210354500.html)
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/6-things-boomers-know-obamacare-103029416.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/6-things-boomers-know-obamacare-103029416.html)
I can just barely get this out. The cursor function doesn't work right, but as long as the touch screen works, I can still enter data.
Well, the 'Enter' key finally does work. http://p.bankrate.com/overnightaverages/ (http://p.bankrate.com/overnightaverages/)
Okay, this computer is free for me to use, but it's quite limited in the commercial software that's on the hard drive. The site immediately above won't run if I invoke it. Let me just say this: According to the 'bankrate' site above, the mortgage market is finally tanking badly, as it was predicted to do. Banks in BIG institutions will be laying off staff shortly in large numbers. Revenue was predicted to fall off a cliff and that's what it's doing.
Right. Now. I believe even the 'experts' don't know what's going to happen in the farther future. A general downturn in the economy was also predicted by at least one Wall St. analyst. That includes another recession, even though I think the last/present one never ended.
I think he/she could be right on this one.
--Lee
With a government shutdown looming I can imagine the chaos it will bring.triffid
Quote from: triffid on September 28, 2013, 02:42:17 AM
With a government shutdown looming I can imagine the chaos it will bring.triffid
Hey, triffid,
I was going to address this very question as I logged on. You just happened to announce it right in front of me to reply.
Okay, this has me worried. Why?
I know how deep-set and entrenched each side is on this issue---especially the GOP. I think they don't mind threatening the country with another recession just to 'poke the ribs' of Obama. This 'I-don't-give-a-d@mn' attitude wasn't as pronounced in the last two shutdowns.
I'm going to buy extra sodas, juices, 5-gal. water containers, and canned foods beginning tomorrow, the 1st of Oct.
Happy Halloween,
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 30, 2013, 02:06:01 PM
Hey, triffid,
I was going to address this very question as I logged on. You just happened to announce it right in front of me to reply.
Okay, this has me worried. Why?
I know how deep-set and entrenched each side is on this issue---especially the GOP. I think they don't mind threatening the country with another recession just to 'poke the ribs' of Obama. This 'I-don't-give-a-d@mn' attitude wasn't as pronounced in the last two shutdowns.
I'm going to buy extra sodas, juices, 5-gal. water containers, and canned foods beginning tomorrow, the 1st of Oct.
Happy Halloween,
--Lee
The GOP voted for a counterproposal that the Dems will very likely vote down and reject shortly. That leaves about two (2) hours in DC to act in averting a shutdown of the Gov't. If midnight is 12 AM in DC, it's 9 PM in Calif. where I live.
I can return to this computer and see what happened on CNN, Fox, Reuters, ABC, CBS or NBC news. I'll just have to stay up that late and remember to do it.
--Lee
OKAY, LATER REEDIT: The Gov't didn't make it. They, the non-essential workers, will be on furlough. I should get paid by bank deposit, but this whole situation can still potentially 'open up a can of worms' if Congress still can't 'get they're act together'. The 'big worm' will be out on the 17th, when they vote on the debt ceiling. If that fails, the country goes into fiscal lending default.
"Chaos", as triffid put it, might ensue.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 30, 2013, 09:42:59 PM
OKAY, LATER REEDIT: The Gov't didn't make it. They, the non-essential workers, will be on furlough. I should get paid by bank deposit, but this whole situation can still potentially 'open up a can of worms' if Congress still can't 'get they're act together'. The 'big worm' will be out on the 17th, when they vote on the debt ceiling. If that fails, the country goes into fiscal lending default. "Chaos", as triffid put it, might ensue.
So, seeing as how I'm the only one adding to this thread now, I'll get on with it now: I'm a Vet and
we'll get paid for Oct. and possibly Nov. After that, I don't know. But, this is definite: It's a long term political stalemate in DC and will go on for some time. Right, great!!! I have food ahead and I'll get more in Oct. After that, the whole country may be 'up in arms'---so to speak.
(I am writing cliches', now, aren't I?) Maybe it's the pressure I'm under concerning the country's future? (The future of America and the world isn't good, IMHO, and this thread should have told you why, by now.) Ripple effects of an economic downturn will begin spreading shortly. The Gov't employs people and those people have suppliers and dependently related industries as well. Three weeks of this economic inactivity might be a 10%-20% drop in GDP. It gets worse
quickly after that. If people begin starving, they'll do what it takes to survive. GOOD. THING. I. LIVE. ALONE. -Lee
In the great depression of the 1930s.The common man had no money to spend.Then a few decades later people were worried about inflation.I believe a long time ago I presented proof that the USA has defaulted at least seven times before.The last time was 1972 when Nixon took the US dollar off of the gold standard.With the government shutdown maybe worse things are a-coming?http://www.cnbc.com/id/101084623?__source=yahoo|finance|headline|headline|story&par=yahoo&doc=101084623|First%20a%20default,%20then%20a%20d (http://www.cnbc.com/id/101084623?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&par=yahoo&doc=101084623%7CFirst%20a%20default,%20then%20a%20d) these people seem to think so.triffid
A post from a reader may indicate what is coming?[size=78%]What if we the USA stays in default for over a month? WHAT IS THE WORST THAT CAN HAPPEN?[/font][/size]
Within a year, the Dow Jones Industrial Average tests the low of 2009, about 7500. Over the next decade, the Dow falls 80-90% -- 1500 instead of 15,000 -- and residential real estate falls between one-half and two-thirds. All of the major money center banks are nationalized. Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley or both fail. At least one of the largest life insurers -- MONY, NY Life, Prudential, the Hartford -- fails. The labor force participation rate declines from 63.5% to 40% -- more than 40 million people become unemployed and leave the workforce. Total wealth lost would exceed double the GDP -- about $30 trillion -- $100,000 per capita. More than 90% of the population would NOT recover%2
Sorry,I am unable to clean up the post as I would like to.Some menu bar at the bottom of my page prevents me from correcting any copies of my posts.I think SS checks are ok for now.But as for food and water I seem to be ok for now.triffid.I live two blocks away from the big Missippi river so water may never be a problem?Just clean water.Remember to boil your water for 15 minutes.That kills most living things.triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 03, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
A post from a reader may indicate what is coming?[size=78%]What if we the USA stays in default for over a month? WHAT IS THE WORST THAT CAN HAPPEN?[/font][/size]
@triffid
The worst that could happen? Economic collapse and a national revolution that involves just about everyone who doesn't live in a fortified house/bunker/fort/castle/cave/etc.
I at least implied I thought it would happen when I started this thread. Watch what happens if Congress doesn't pass the budget bill to raise the national debt ceiling. Uncle Sam defaults then and hell on American earth ensues.
--Lee
October 17 is the deadline for congress to resolve the federal budget crisis.After that the interest on savings bonds doesn't get paid.Happy Halloween!
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/caution-reins-asia-u-shutdown-232744790.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/caution-reins-asia-u-shutdown-232744790.html)
Here at this link,it says the smart money doesn't think there will be a default by the USA.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/smart-money-playing-crisis-165049840.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/smart-money-playing-crisis-165049840.html) Gold lost about 20 dollars an oz today too!
"The market has to respond to supply and demand flows, and that's putting pressure on short maturity bills," explained John Brynjolfsson, chief investment officer of $1 billion hedge fund firm Armored Wolf. "With Treasury interest amounting to just 10 percent of monthly tax receipts, there is plenty of coverage for Bills, Social Security, and Medicaid; and a phone call to the Fed is all the computer programming required to process those payments. The politics, however, is more complicated."[/size]
free stuff for seniors? http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/Senior-Benefits-Discounts/2013/07/01/id/512858/?promo_code=1415B-1 (http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/Senior-Benefits-Discounts/2013/07/01/id/512858/?promo_code=1415B-1)
Four ways to build your credit score without credit cards. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/4-ways-build-credit-without-120000896.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/4-ways-build-credit-without-120000896.html)
A link questioning recent claims on info on how to collect more money from SS.http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/suspiciousoffers/suspiciousoffers_socialsecurity211.php (http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/suspiciousoffers/suspiciousoffers_socialsecurity211.php)
A link to growing food from your window in an apartment using plastic bottles.
http://urbangreensurvival.blogspot.com/p/hanging-bottle-garden.html (http://urbangreensurvival.blogspot.com/p/hanging-bottle-garden.html) Pretty neat idea I thought.triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 06, 2013, 07:57:37 PM
October 17 is the deadline for congress to resolve the federal budget crisis.After that the interest on savings bonds doesn't get paid.Happy Halloween!
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/caution-reins-asia-u-shutdown-232744790.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/caution-reins-asia-u-shutdown-232744790.html)
Real quick:
They may make a deal before the 17th. It won't do much good, though. I can describe why later.
Got to go now.
--Lee
Hi Lee,Im sitting here in st.louis at 9:22PM expecting to hear soon if the senate passed or declined the bill that the senate passed today.Its supposed to be done by ten my time I guess.Hopefully they will.triffid
Note of interest.Since 1978 the government has been shut down 17 times before.Saved at the last minute by temporary patches.Always temporary measures are taken.
Just like the big companies in the world ,families are now hoarding more cash.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/families-hoard-cash-5-years-071652515.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/families-hoard-cash-5-years-071652515.html)
My flea market dealer friend has told me people are not buying from him now like they did a few months ago.triffid
People are hanging on tighter to their cash.Still gas has to put in the car and food on the table.Some expensives can be cut back on.Others cannot.I tried out a new food bank last Monday.triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 16, 2013, 10:35:55 PM
Just like the big companies in the world ,families are now hoarding more cash.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/families-hoard-cash-5-years-071652515.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/families-hoard-cash-5-years-071652515.html)
My flea market dealer friend has told me people are not buying from him now like they did a few months ago.triffid
That's right, triffid. I see it here in San francisco as well. Retail shops go out of business and aren't replaced by new and different shops like they were in the past. Some stores sit empty for awhile, even months.
--Lee
Yes Lee,I see empty shops here too.Looks like the government came through with another temporary fix.No surprise really.I did hear inflation will be on the rise in 2014.Also we discussed at the breakfast table (yesterday)at McDonalds how people are dropping dimes on the ground and not bothering to pick them up.Just like the pennies that so many people leave on the ground nowadays.
Quote from: triffid on October 18, 2013, 12:21:06 AM
Yes Lee,I see empty shops here too.Looks like the government came through with another temporary fix.No surprise really.I did hear inflation will be on the rise in 2014.
It will? I don't know that it'll make any difference. A very few people are still sounding a warning that the economy is headed for a 'smackdown', as it were. I have a couple of articles that can give a reason or two as to why.
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Also we discussed at the breakfast table (yesterday)at McDonalds how people are dropping dimes on the ground and not bothering to pick them up.Just like the pennies that so many people leave on the ground nowadays.
In S.F., it's still pennies. And a few larger coins. People weren't like that 30 - 40 yrs. ago. Throwing away coins? No.
Those articles indicate the bond and derivitives markets are about to implode. They're worth at least 20 times the whole gross domestc products of every country on Earth for a year. When they collapse, it's all over for the economy.
--Lee
They're engaging in capital controls, limiting the movement of your money. In France, they have all but outlawed gold ownership. India has slapped a 10 percent surcharge on buying gold. Germany is hunting down and taxing money that's fled to Switzerland. The U.S. is making it nearly impossible for you to invest or put money offshore.
All of this is soon going to come back to haunt Washington and Brussels by causing the exact opposite of what they want: It will drive money underground, into black markets, and into art, collectibles, rare coins and, ironically, the asset governments hate the most, gold.
I heard today that China is quietly trying to buy up all the gold they can.I also heard that The USA will become the worlds biggest pusher of vaccines under Obamacare.Also the new amount of money required nowadays for a comfortable retirement is two million dollars.triffid
Also heard that many fulltime employees now will become parttime so their employers can avoid buying them health insurance.Fast food places were mentioned as being likely to push their fulltime people to 30 hours a week.Under Obamacare.
In this link lower hiring rates in the US are blamed for rising gold and silver prices. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gold-silver-higher-us-hiring-175558557.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gold-silver-higher-us-hiring-175558557.html)
Lee,here is the diasaster being talked about that you foresaw. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/crowning-dollar-collapse-ahead-152341765.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/crowning-dollar-collapse-ahead-152341765.html)
triffid
Our addictions to debt and cheap money have finally caused our major international creditors to call for an end to dollar hegemony and to push for a "de-Americanized" world.
China, the largest U.S. creditor with $1.28 trillion in Treasury bonds, recently put out a commentary through the state-run Xinhua news agency stating that, "Such alarming days when the destinies of others are in the hands of a hypocritical nation have to be terminated.
In addition, Japan (our second largest creditor holding $1.14 trillion of U.S. debt) put out a statement through its Finance Minister last week saying, "The U.S. must avoid a situation where it cannot pay, and its triple-A ranking plunges all of a sudden.
The real problems of government largess, money printing, artificial interest rates, asset bubbles and debt have not been addressed at all. Rather, Washington has merely agreed to perpetually extend its lines of credit and to have the central bank purchase most of that new debt.
Instead of placating the fears of our foreign creditors we have cemented into their minds that the U.S. dollar and bond market cannot be safe repositories of their savings. The eventual and inevitable loss of that confidence will ensure nothing less than surging prices and a complete collapse of our economy.
Quote from: triffid on October 22, 2013, 08:51:37 PM
The real problems of government largess, money printing, artificial interest rates, asset bubbles and debt have not been addressed at all. Rather, Washington has merely agreed to perpetually extend its lines of credit and to have the central bank purchase most of that new debt.
Exactly, triffid.
The Fed. Reservce is buying securities at the rate of $40 billon/month using freshly printed money for that purpose alone. Assets aquisition by the Gov't and fat cats is a prelude to the collapse of the economy.
However, can they eat a steel can of beans? A bar of soap? Drink a gallon of gasoline? Idiots. Stockpile your staples and foodstuffs, in hiding, and sharpen your edged weapons. If you can own a gun, get one and make sure you have ample supplies of good ammo for it.
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Instead of placating the fears of our foreign creditors we have cemented into their minds that the U.S. dollar and bond market cannot be safe repositories of their savings. The eventual and inevitable loss of that confidence will ensure nothing less than surging prices and a complete collapse of our economy.
Right again. A recent article in the locally S.F. available El Reportero weekly newspaper indicated that the bond market in financial derivitives described being, 'credit default swaps', has collapsed and it's worth about 20 times the value of the all the Gross Domestic Products (GDP) for every last country in the entire world for a year.
In due course, money men and market analysts are going to realize this crap will be ending permanently,
NO. Matter. What. At that time, the first paragraph of this post will become highly relevant.
--Lee
Here we have proof that over half of McDonalds fast food employees do not make enought money to support their families from one job at McDonalds.They have set up a website"McResource" to help their employees get food stamps and other assistence. http://fox13now.com/2013/10/23/mcdonalds-helps-workers-get-food-stamps/ (http://fox13now.com/2013/10/23/mcdonalds-helps-workers-get-food-stamps/) How nice it is to tell future generations that jobs in fast food have no future except for dependence on government aid.For over half the people in that field simply cannot make enough money to raise a family!triffid
News of the McResources Line comes a week after a report found that more than half of fast food workers have to rely on public assistance programs since their wages aren't enough to support them.
The report estimated that this public aid carries a $7 billion price tag for taxpayers each year.
A separate report by the National !important]Employment Law (http://fox13now.com/2013/10/23/mcdonalds-helps-workers-get-food-stamps/#) Project released on the same day showed that McDonald's alone was responsible for $3.8 billion of that $7 billion alone.
The recorded phone call supports what the reports found and also the claims of hundreds of fast food workers that their pay is too low, they don't get scheduled for enough hours and they get no benefits. Since last November, workers have organized protests around the country, including New York City, Los Angeles, Memphis and Detroit calling for a minimum wage of $15 an hour and the right to organize without retaliation.
Earlier this year, McDonald's came under fire for releasing a budget planning guide for its employees. The sample budget it provided didn't account for either food or gasoline, a big expense for low income workers. The budget also left room for an income from a second job, which many called an admission by the fast ]food giant (http://fox13now.com/2013/10/23/mcdonalds-helps-workers-get-food-stamps/#) that its workers can't live on wages from one job at McDonald's.
I have never worked in fast food but if I were a young person I would take the above post as a warning not to look at fast food as a good career.Managing might be different?But I don't know.Here in st.louis,"White Castle" has a union and pays above min wage.triffid
http://www.npr.org/2013/08/09/210253451/the-changing-story-of-teens-and-cars (http://www.npr.org/2013/08/09/210253451/the-changing-story-of-teens-and-cars)
More teens today are waiting longer to get their drivers liscense.triffid
Buying a car, even a used one, is difficult for teens, who aren't financially independent. But getting a driver's license — that's different. That's kind of a sign of intent. Twenty years ago, two-thirds of kids had a license by age 18,according to AAA (https://www.aaafoundation.org/timing-driver%E2%80%99s-license-acquisition-and-reasons-delay-among-young-people-united-states-2012),only half of them have one today.
A post from a reader states that:Licensing requires a significant time investment, and if you can't afford a car then why bother? You can get a non-DL state ID much cheaper.
I have both types of ID.Just tell the DMV people you do not drive and you can get a state ID.
Good for cashing checks,etc.
Look, everyone, if I 'Enter', the screen immediately goes to an off-the-wall representation of a YouTube page featuring overunity!! This is CRAP!!!! All I can do is the best I can with the only way I can enter data.
Quote from: triffid on October 24, 2013, 03:58:01 PM
I have never worked in fast food but if I were a young person I would take the above post as a warning not to look at fast food as a good career.
My first job was at a Jack-in-the-Box. These multinational corp's are probably trying to take as much money as possible for themselves. Typical for big business.
QuoteManaging might be different?But I don't know.
My shop manager, Gus, in the late 60's, could make a good living if he worked the heavy hours. Then the company got huge and things went to hell, he said.
QuoteHere in st.louis,"White Castle" has a union and pays above min wage.triffid
I'm not surprised. The inouns, however, can also be in the pockets of the upper management, as well. Not to be completely trusted in their words or actions. --Lee BTW, This is the best I can do. This borrowed computer acted up from the beginning. I think someone's doing this randomly on purpose. I do have more experience than this. It came out looking okay, but what i had to do to get that way was some trial and arror on my part.
I found another dime on the ground this morning(3 in one month).Plus I got a silver quarter in change today(dated 1964).I also received a booklet on Gold from American Federal(they sell Gold).They say that in 1977 the presidential power to order the confiscation of GOLD was removed.That it takes an act of Congress to give it back to him.And that Congress cant get their act together nowadays anyway.That the best coins to buy are the modern bullion coins ,the Eagles and the Buffalos,both silver and gold.They say too to beware of most coin dealers nowadays.Most investors are now losing money in their portfolios of rare coins and bullion.triffid
They say too that less than 3% of all americans own any gold.And that most coin dealers are using lies and misinformation to panic coin investors into buying coins that benefit only the dealers.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith)
The New Industrial State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Industrial_State)[/size] (1967) german title: Die Industrie-Gesellschaft
http://www.manager-magazin.de/finanzen/artikel/a-398801-2.html (http://www.manager-magazin.de/finanzen/artikel/a-398801-2.html)
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03.02.2006
Greenspans explosives Erbe
Die Preise für Häuser und Wohnungen haben mancherorts absurde Dimensionen erreicht. Die Mini-Zinsen machten die Kreditfinanzierung zum vermeintlichen Kinderspiel. Millionen Amerikaner schulden ihre bestehenden Darlehen mit immer neuen, immer günstigeren Krediten um - und pumpen das gesparte Geld in den Konsum
(vulgo "hedging")
"Konsumausgaben und Wohnungsbau zusammen bestreiten seit Jahren rund 90 Prozent des amerikanischen Wirtschaftswachstums", hat das Magazin "Economist" errechnet. Kollabiert die Konsumnachfrage, reißt sie die gesamte US-Konjunktur in den Abgrund. Erste Anzeichen einer Abkühlung sind schon zu beobachten. Im vierten Quartal sank das US-Wachstum auf 1,1 Prozent - nachdem es zehn Quartale hintereinander zum Teil weit über 3 Prozent gelegen hatte.
Greenspans Nachfolger steht vor einer Gratwanderung. Stoppt er die Zinserhöhungen zu früh, wächst der Schuldenberg weiter. Stoppt er sie zu spät, riskiert er eine weltweite Finanzkrise. So oder so muss Bernanke ausbaden, was ihm sein gefeierter Vorgänger hinterlassen hat.
Futur II :-X :P ;D
http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/alan-greenspan-die-fehler-der-anderen/8985476.html (http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/alan-greenspan-die-fehler-der-anderen/8985476.html)
Niemand, also auch die Fed nicht, habe die Finanzkrise, die sich Ende 2008 zur größten Rezession seit den 30er Jahren auswuchs, irgendwie kommen sehen.
Futur II :-X :P ;D
http://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Walter_Ulbricht (http://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Walter_Ulbricht)
Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer (http://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mauer) zu errichten."
Is Mr. "Nobody(=Niemand)......!" building a wall to eventually hide this
9/11 -year event :
Levite reading
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Greenspan (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Greenspan)
Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. credo 1966
= Meynard Keynes was simply for a scheme for the confiscation of wealth
( logical Fazit: 50% right,50% wrong : in-+de- =re-flation tendency dependance )
2001 Goldmarket-manipulation:
http://www.therichterreport.com/content.php?id=238&menu_id=15 (http://www.therichterreport.com/content.php?id=238&menu_id=15)
Until the advent of "Helicopter Ben" Bernanke as Fed Chairman, perhaps the greatest fiat currency inflationist in world history was Alan Greenspan. His response to every financial crisis was to "print more money" by lowering interest rates and thus expanding the money supply. He did it in response to the 1987 stock market crash. He did it and caused the dotcom bubble of the late 1990s, and he did it after 9/11, thus igniting the now-deflated real estate bubble of this decade. Therefore, it is supremely ironic that this same inflationist wrote the following words back in 1966, a time when he was considered to be in Ayn Rand's inner circle:
"In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold.....The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves.
This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."
Alan Greenspan, "Gold and Economic Freedom" (1966).
2005
The privateGold Antitrust Action Committee (http://gata.org/) GATA has uncovered evidence suggesting that the Federal Reserve and the Treasury department, operating through the Exchange-Stabilization fund and in cooperation with the International Monetary Fund, have been systematically working to deflate the price of gold. Because rising gold prices are seen by investors as a barometer of inflation, the Fed has purportedly suppressed prices to disguise the true nature of the financial bubble of the 1990s.
Congressman Ron Paul said in a Media Release (http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2002/pr021402.htm) in 2002 "The Fed wants all of us to think the stock market is not overvalued, and that credit and monetary expansion can create lasting prosperity" he went on to say "gold prices should always serve as an unbiased indicator of the true health of world markets.
Wall Street
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Industrial_State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Industrial_State) 1967
Galbraith argues that the "industrial system" - by which he means (in general terms) the companies which control around two-thirds of output in key sectors of the economy - are controlled in practice by a technostructure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technostructure) rather than shareholders; he claims that the technostructure does not act to maximise profit (as that involves the risk of failure) but principally to maintain the organisation and, as a secondary aim, to ensure its further expansion.
Galbraith also asserts that the traditional notions of risk most closely associated with small enterprise become less relevant to large industrial enterprises and conglomerates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conglomerate_(company))
Risk is diminished, Galbraith says, by advantages large enterprises have in securing longer-term supplier and labor contracts, and by the use of financial instruments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_instruments) such as commodity futures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_futures) to mitigatevolatility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volatility_(finance)) in raw materials prices. Political influence of large industrial concerns in governmental economic and labor policy is cited as another factor that tends to create the stable market conditions that are necessary for corporations' long-term planning of production.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economics_of_Innocent_Fraud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economics_of_Innocent_Fraud) 2004
5. The illusion that shareholders, stockholders, investors, boards of directors—even owners—are relevant to the large corporate entities that dominate the economy. In fact, claims Galbraith, it is management (corporate bureaucracy) that runs them (pp. 28–31).
" Apparatschiks"
8. The illusion that the Federal Reserve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Bank), by raising or lowering interest rates, has any effect whatsoever on spurring growth or preventing inflation. This Galbraith calls 'our most prestigious form of fraud, our most elegant escape from reality' (p. 43). According to him, 'only in innocence does it [the Fed] control general consumer and business spending' (p. 47).
In three concluding chapters he makes a case for impartial government oversight of corporate behavior; returns to his theme of corporate dominance in the affairs of the state,
particularly in the military and defense, for its own enrichment; and claims that additional tax relief for corporations serves no public good.
He ends by drawing an analogy between the failure to redress social hardship through sound economic policy and the dominance of war-making in our economic life. He calls war 'the decisive human failure' (p. 62).
the_big_m_in_ok(Lee) ,
I please you to correct the September 03,2009 theme from
"I see an economic diasater coming ...." with the common sensual writing
"I see an economic desaster coming .... " !
Will you ?
Now back to "Nobody ..." and showing the classical analytical tools of future
market price trends/tendencies and there is not a hyper-processor need:
Paretto scoped Analysis
above - Max-to-Min -orientation V , the base above and the peak down
up - Min-to-Max -orientation ^ base down and the peak up
Piramids/Triangle/(Co-/Sinus-)Curve
( also related the Gaussian Bell and the Galton pad)
[(e)statistics]
theoretical ideal example:
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Maximum X X in- (+AC) up/down movement
Optimum X X X X
Medium X- - - - -X- - - - X- - - - X- - - - neutral (DC) flat(ion) curve line
Pessimum X X X X
Minimum X X de- (-AC) up/down movement
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action ( il/legal free/manipulated)/
reaction ( il/legal free/manipulated )
market ware/currency price cycle/conjunktur wave current
observation
included Elliott/Kontradjef (e)motion cycle
movement is not linear,it is progressiv -
under dynamic( accelerating + ++ +++/decelerating - -- ---) condition
cause "gravity" influenced:
this empirical observation known as subject from the George King's Rule
Frequency(Distance/Amplitude) and Voltage(velocity) Modulation/Modulator:
2-/3-/4-D geometrical bodies like humans
Phänomene
Das Massenträgheitsmoment beschreibt das kapazitive Verhalten (http://www.systemdesign.ch/index.php/Kapazitives_Gesetz) eines rotierenden Körpers. Dreht sich dieser um eine Hauptachse (http://www.systemdesign.ch/index.php?title=Hauptachse&action=edit&redlink=1), nimmt der Drehimpuls (http://www.systemdesign.ch/index.php/Drehimpuls) linear mit der Winkelgeschwindigkeit (http://www.systemdesign.ch/index.php/Winkelgeschwindigkeit) zuL = J ω,mtDas Verhältnis zwischen Drehimpulszuwachs und Winkelgeschwindigkeitsänderung entspricht direkt dem Massenträgheitsmoment. Lässt man nun über eine bestimmte Zeit ein Drehmoment (http://www.systemdesign.ch/index.php/Drehmoment) auf verschiedene zylinderförmige Schwungräder einwirken, führt man also den Schwungrädern eine wohl definierte Menge Drehimpuls (http://www.systemdesign.ch/index.php/Drehimpuls) zu, stellt man fest, dass die Winkelgeschwindigkeit um so weniger ansteigt, je schwerer das Schwungrad und je grösser der Durchmesser ist. Durch die Zufuhr einer bestimmten Menge Drehimpuls steigt die Winkelgeschwindigkeit umgekehrt proportional zur Masse und umgekehrt proportional zum Quadrat des Radius der Schwungräder.
Pirouette,en (http://www.systemdesign.ch/index.php/Pirouette)
organized human gravity and "mass of inertia(Massetraegheit(smoment)":
manipulation
this is "open source" knowledge given by social economy books known
as subject inside the"Golden Bank Rule"
"hedging/levering" gains by selling credits,only caped/warranted with 10%
real capital ( bank + life assurance+investment funds thesaured,T-bonds: Basel I,II,III,..: Min-Reserve for the " society commodity future" called credit/hypothec ))
but be paid back with 100% credit/hypothec virtual sum:
this alone gives a 1000% brutto margin for the finance/estate sector
and the second gain the paying from -not capital,but virtual contract sum
based tax-rate:
7% contract sum taxation means 70% capital tax rate -per annum/per year !
Annuitaeten-darlehen( to lease,lean)
up to the so called F.E.D. T(reasury)Zero-bonds
this named in german:
virtuelle Geldschoepfung ohne reale Geld/Wert-Schoepfung:
" magical/fantasial" money creation
A very commod future to all and everywhere !
Mr.Alan Greenspan, what is your competence: Magic :-\ ?
the vulgar paper Magister you have,I know.
the common future
Dubio ? Doubts ?
Reread in -the links - ( with paper and pencil beside,copy)
the reo=the indices
pro ( not guilty)/contra(guilty) Indizien/Indikationprocess
for the common and your forecast
predicted by liberal heart-/barrier-breaker,Futurists
I am only in a little server-function with some hobbies
A sinical S(o)unday(cristian world) and happy work elsewhere
OCWdL
lancaIV,
Your recent series of postings are right on the
mark in demonstrating the corrupt nature of
the United States of America and how the
Agenda presently being enforced in the U.S.A.
and the World are bringing the New Order into
its final stages. What is soon to come is going
to be very UGLY. What we're seeing now in the
rampant corruption and culling of the population
is but an unpleasant foretaste.
SeaMomkey,
it is not a "Anti-U.S.-Amerika"-statement !
Do we not find in each U.N.O.-nation( included NGOs) member a same/similar behaviour ?
China ( claiming worldwide "De-Amerikanization" !) :
sino-/ china-nization better ? not the same ?
Russia/Rossia ?
India(Pakistan,Bangladesh): greatest "humans powered" democracy ::)
on earth ?
Germany,GB,France, .... E.U.,OAS(where there the Presidents/PMs/opposition leaders received their education ?).........G7/G8/G20
All of them has this shown and linked literature as teaching/coaching/educating help ,members from the social economy "hall of fame":
Nobel-Prize,Harvard-University degree,estate consultance.
Well doted ! Or not ? Well honorred ! Or not ? Well praised ! Or not ?
what did they with all this compact wisdom and knowledge ?
Why does not the "normal" citizen,or let me say the majority,interest for this theme denominated "social economy" ?
The Paretto-Coordination show 2D dimensional each individual human /them,the Folk /us the 3/4D society EEG/EKG-diagram, "was-is-will be" patient wealth/health history act comparing dia(g)nosis/prediction/recommendation.,
in economy algebraic language the 3/4D geometrical function process,
which you will find in the emergency room from clinics/ambulance/hospital as that tool software/function principle :
Echogra-ph/-m (Doppler-Phenomen),
Electrocardiogra-ph/-m,
Electroencephalogra-ph/-m
sys-/diastolic pulse measuring
blood pressure measuring
The german intonation about what I am writing,from Kraftwerk,album 1-19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGD7j5SNowA&list=PL8FBC57BD4EAF2CF8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGD7j5SNowA&list=PL8FBC57BD4EAF2CF8)
Speed: "schnell,schnell,schneller,noch..."velocity/
drugs(endorphin/adrenalin/.... for empty humans body synthesized
for "(Struntz),flask empty" people
( citating,translated: Trappatoni ,FC Bayern Munich :
Angel dust/cristal myth: with up to no limit ekstase:Epilepsy/Canibalism)
Euphorien and Hysterien
Using for the good,using for the bad,(a-)b(i)used ?
2nd (war survival supplement test) project : Gulfwar II-Syndrom
1rd (war survival supplement test) : Manhattan project
Reading the supermarket ware/sortiment position organization show us our different kind of deficiencies observation :
old (eye,ear/body-/head-ached people/analphabets: expensive ware/goods on their "satisfying fast buy " by credit card (Factor 10X + expensive/cheap good relation quotient)
cass area: waiting- do you take me,too( one,two)-products( high margin), Kids(bored :sweeties,puppies,matchbox like cars,et cetera...)
for Madames high-society magazines/ geral: tobacco
this above written and printed for economy school pupils/students in Germany
8.,9.,10.class (average age 15/16 years old) as knowledge from Psycho-/Neurolingual-observation and development of "more money spending "-barrier
power tools.
Industrial products with industrial produced "low temporal durability",malfunctions included for reclamation to pay for service/expensive reparation parts(no warranted) and clients adress comerce !
+, +, +,
Fair is our world only when the unfair individual goes far-ly to Hades !
take( ida/volta ticket or only ida ?) 8) me/you/he-she-it/... to the other side !
Lieber natuerliche Gluecksmomente als chemischer Ersatz ueber "Glueckperlen" !
Aye, 'tis very true.
The Protocols have affected all of the
Nations on Planet Earth.
Thankfully, not all of those who think of
themselves as ELITE are in agreement about
how and when the New Order will be finalized.
Watch in amazement in coming years as the
"good guys" are neutralized and eliminated.
The common people will suffer worst as has
always been the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz8nxXHRSBs&list=RD02pp_wFaPwnRY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz8nxXHRSBs&list=RD02pp_wFaPwnRY)
being boiled
Textinterpretation[Bearbeiten (http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Being_Boiled&action=edit§ion=2)]Bei dem Songtext handelt es sich um ein komplexes Meisterwerk, das auf knappstem Raum (21 Zeilen) virtuos mit verschiedenen Bedeutungsebenen spielt. Die erste Ebene ist dadaistischer (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadaismus)Nonsense (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsense) (calling to the mothers of orphants), die wohl die Bedeutungslosigkeit der meisten Pop-Songs karikieren soll. Die zweite Ebene ist die einer Kulturkritik der Moderne, die Tiere als Rohstoffe für die Produktion von Luxusgütern verwendet (thoughtless slaying). Der Titel spielt auf die Produktionsmethoden des Luxusgutes Seide an, bei dem die Larven von Seidenraupen (=Sericulture) bei lebendigem Leib in ihrem Kokon gekocht werden (=Being Boild). Die dritte Ebene kombiniert dies mit der buddhistischen Idee, dass alle Lebewesen Re-Inkarnationsstufen früheren Lebens sind. Somit bedeutet die gedankenlosen Tötung der Raupen, die Tötung der eigenen Nachkommen (little people like your offspring boiled alive) und damit die Tötung seiner selbst (daher auch der Titel, der wörtlich, in der passiven Erleidensform, "gekocht werdend" bedeutet). In diesen Bedeutungszusammenhang gestellt, ist die Sentenz der Anrufung der Mütter von Waisenkindern kein Nonsense, sondern der Verweis auf die religiöse Idee eines nachtodlichen Lebens. Die letzte Bedeutungsebene ist die einer scheinbar radikalen Religionskritik: Die Seidenproduktion diente nämlich ursprünglich dem ornamentalen Charakter religiöser Praktiken und somit war Religion der direkte Auslöser dieser ausbeuterischen Kulturpraxis (boiled alive for some gods stocking). In den letzten Strophen billigt Buddha auch ausdrücklich die brutalen Methoden (he'll say carry on your slaughter), was auf die Leibnitz'sche (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibnitz) Theodizeeidee (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodizee) verweist (obwohl Gott allmächtig ist, lässt er tatenlos Leid auf der Erde zu: Buddha's watching, Buddha's waiting). Allerdings lässt die ironische Brechungen in Verbindung mit der starken Kodierung die Frage offen, welche Botschaften der Autor tatsächlich ernst meint. Auch hier entsprechen die Verse einer typisch postmodernen (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmoderne) Textgattung.
NEW ORDER : Confusion or relegation ?
By my best avantgard
OCWdL
@IancaIV
I'm an ethnic German American, but I don't read or speak German, like almost all Americans. If you include some English descriptions in your posts so we all can keep up with your subject matter fairly well, then writing some German for your European correspondents should be allowable.
(snipped entire German text; I'll continue comments on the English text)
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Levite reading
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Greenspan (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Greenspan)
Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. credo 1966
= Meynard Keynes was simply for a scheme for the confiscation of wealth
( logical Fazit: 50% right,50% wrong : in-+de- =re-flation tendency dependance )
2001 Goldmarket-manipulation:
http://www.therichterreport.com/content.php?id=238&menu_id=15 (http://www.therichterreport.com/content.php?id=238&menu_id=15)
Until the advent of "Helicopter Ben" Bernanke as Fed Chairman, perhaps the greatest fiat currency inflationist in world history was Alan Greenspan. His response to every financial crisis was to "print more money" by lowering interest rates and thus expanding the money supply. He did it in response to the 1987 stock market crash. He did it and caused the dotcom bubble of the late 1990s, and he did it after 9/11, thus igniting the now-deflated real estate bubble of this decade.
Right. I agree with the current policies of this, and past, Gov't administrations. Printing more
and more money stalls the final outcome for awhile, but collapse comes anyway. Remember Germany before WWII? It took a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread. Then there was a worldwide Depression and the Nazis took over Germany.
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Therefore, it is supremely ironic that this same inflationist wrote the following words back in 1966, a time when he was considered to be in Ayn Rand's inner circle:
"In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold.....The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves.
To be honest, I hadn't thought of this, since a lot of this happened when I was a boy, and only now am I forced to deal with the lousy economy like everyone else. But, considering the human nature of greed and fear, I believe the descriptive text is correct.
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This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."
Alan Greenspan, "Gold and Economic Freedom" (1966).
Well, yeah. Gold, and the standard it represents, is something that's physical and not subject to the whims of someone's financial 'money kiting scheme'. ("kiting" is a con game to swindle someone out of something---in this case money by inflation to transfer wealth)
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2005
The privateGold Antitrust Action Committee (http://gata.org/) GATA has uncovered evidence suggesting that the Federal Reserve and the Treasury department, operating through the Exchange-Stabilization fund and in cooperation with the International Monetary Fund, have been systematically working to deflate the price of gold. Because rising gold prices are seen by investors as a barometer of inflation, the Fed has purportedly suppressed prices to disguise the true nature of the financial bubble of the 1990s.
Congressman Ron Paul said in a Media Release (http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2002/pr021402.htm) in 2002 "The Fed wants all of us to think the stock market is not overvalued, and that credit and monetary expansion can create lasting prosperity" he went on to say "gold prices should always serve as an unbiased indicator of the true health of world markets."
Wall Street
Congressman Paul is quite correct. He's a 'whistleblowing' 'watchdog' who isn't afraid to tell the truth. The economy will begin collapsing in due course and that'll leave a power vacuum that all sorts of criminals may be able to take advantage of.
--Lee
http://www.manager-magazin.de/finanzen/artikel/a-398801-2.html (http://www.manager-magazin.de/finanzen/artikel/a-398801-2.html) -article
03.02.2006(February) = 02/03/2006(US-date ranking)
partly google-based translated:
Greenspan's explosive legacy
Lutz Knapp man
2 Part: Cheap money real estate bubble generated
The prices of houses and apartments in some places have reached absurd dimensions. The mini-interest loan made to finance the alleged breeze. Millions of Americans refinance their existing loans with new, always more favorable loans to - and pump the money saved in the consumption.
"Consumer spending and residential construction dispute together for years about 90 percent of U.S. economic growth," the magazine "The Economist" has calculated. Collapsing consumer demand, it disrupts the entire U.S. economy into the abyss. First signs of a slowdown are already visible. In the fourth quarter U.S. GDP growth fell to 1.1 percent - after it had ten consecutive quarters located partly well over 3 percent.
Greenspan's successor faces a balancing act. It stops the interest rate rises too early, the debt continues to grow. It stops it too late, he risks a global financial crisis. Either way Bernanke has to pay for what he has left his celebrated predecessor.
http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/alan-greenspan-die-fehler-der-anderen/8985476.html (http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/alan-greenspan-die-fehler-der-anderen/8985476.html) -article
partly google-based translated
Alone: In "The Map And The Territory", as the title of the 388 page work, Greenspan is hardly a his personal responsibility. The only thing he admits is this: No one, including the Fed does not have to see the financial crisis, the end of 2008 grew into the biggest recession since the 30s, come anyway. "We pretend to be able to predict things," Greenspan says, "but the truth is can not."
http://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Walter_Ulbricht (http://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Walter_Ulbricht)
No one has the intention of building a wall. "
Quote from: lancaIV on October 28, 2013, 05:38:34 PM
http://www.manager-magazin.de/finanzen/artikel/a-398801-2.html (http://www.manager-magazin.de/finanzen/artikel/a-398801-2.html) -article
03.02.2006(February) = 02/03/2006(US-date ranking)
partly google-based translated:
The prices of houses and apartments in some places have reached absurd dimensions. The mini-interest loan made to finance the alleged breeze. Millions of Americans refinance their existing loans with new, always more favorable loans to - and pump the money saved in the consumption.
"Consumer spending and residential construction dispute together for years about 90 percent of U.S. economic growth," the magazine "The Economist" has calculated. Collapsing consumer demand, it disrupts the entire U.S. economy into the abyss. First signs of a slowdown are already visible. In the fourth quarter U.S. GDP growth fell to 1.1 percent - after it had ten consecutive quarters located partly well over 3 percent.
Thank you, IancaIV...
It's been estimated that 75% of all economic activity is through retail sales.
That's. Everything. When people stop buying, 'the end' will be approaching.
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Greenspan's successor faces a balancing act. It stops the interest rate rises too early, the debt continues to grow. It stops it too late, he risks a global financial crisis. Either way Bernanke has to pay for what he has left his celebrated predecessor.
I once lived in a temporary residence long enough to learn the basics of commercial finance and the market economy while looking at CNN's commercial news network on free cable TV.
What was predicted above, I believe will happen. Either way, people will 'wise up' eventually and begin taking their financial lives, and possibly their physical welfare, into their own hands---whether the Gov't likes it or not.
--Lee
2006 - before Lehman&Bro.:commodity futures (Ex-American Express-sub-company ;
creditcards-bubble the next problem
education-by-credit
these markets did not a going-out,the bubble problem exist and is growing each day
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"Weimarer Republic":
my Ur-grandpa had this luck :P to live during this time with money inflation over 1000% p.a. and finally the estate bankrupcy ,
but what to do with so many paper-"money"/obligations/notes:
wall decoration as solution ??? pragmatical.
everybody can buy stamps from this time for some cents:
printed values f.e. : 5 Billions Mark (german Billions = U.S. Trillions)
1923-1929: 1WW-german reparation-paying ;
Da(rmstadter)Nat(ional)-bank bankrupcy :
worldwide economy -no liquidity-crisis : bartering
1933 NSDAP : v.Hindenburg accepted A.Hitler (Prediction: Mein Kampf) as
Reichskanzler
...........
We do not need no education we need education (double negation)
we do not need no thought controle we need thought controle -by ourself
no dark sarcasm in the classroom
hey,teacher,let us kids alone and come please later back
U.S.(o.A.): "Newsweek" magazin
F.R.G. : "Wirtschaftswoche" (~ weekly economics ) daily: "Handelsblatt"
( Ex.:"Der Volksbote")
www.wiwo.de/technologie/forschung/stahl-der-zukunft-wie-textilien-die-baubranche-revolutionieren/8951366.html (http://www.wiwo.de/technologie/forschung/stahl-der-zukunft-wie-textilien-die-baubranche-revolutionieren/8951366.html)
who needs translation( -only written ? no spoken ?-) can copy the article and fill in german-english automatic translation machines for example Google-translator (only as example ! as other (no cloud) solution off-line translation software)
material evolution or revolution ? web spinning spider (also cocooning)
http://www.bkhoshnevis.com/ (http://www.bkhoshnevis.com/) evolution or revolution ?
When machines and no worker ?
see the agriculture human numeral power needs evolution beginning by the last century up today in the different worlwide regions like Germany,France,Spain,India,China
U.S.A.(erosion then migration :John Steinbeck wrote about this theme "great plains/Praerie" )
But see also from the polycultural plant/(land/air/water) animals ranches/farms/fazenda/haciendas to monoculture plantages
(okay, several machine technicians for ex-XXX-quantity human numbers )
Look also search machine filling ) Dante Bini
when cheap and relocateable ? ( see: canadian inventors : "relocateable towns" )
urban nomad society
Caracol: my (second)body (skin) is my castle ) :
movie "Dune" the desert Folk wear
[staring as actor in the movie "The Do-Do-Do-the-Da-Da-Da-" ( Dadaist ? Taoist ?) Sting,(an alien("foreigner") in N.Y.) :
all wheather solution [(relatively,it seldom rains water in deserts -sand yes)
Moadib : Moses/Moises/Moaises/Moasiv asa-moa mao-ri man-i-tou
human "man"a.metapheric b.metaphoric and c.metamorphosic determination
-"kind"
mao tao : m(eta/arathon)~t(raversa/rail)~k(arawane) from (al) Fa to O and back
Kuomitang-games: ma-té (white flag !)
And always be awaked about "agent pro-vok-a-teur/ caos construction"-action:
Monty Python movie: the hungarian anarchist who sells self-written "not common acceptable"( okay,classical view) dictionary translations:
Tourist to policeman(free recitating) :"How do I reach the train-station ?"
Translated by anarchists dictionary?: ? Next movie sequence ?
Hi,
Thanks for imformation
#3439 : Phaenomen.......
translation
phenomena
The moment of inertia describes the capacitive behavior of a rotating body. It rotates about a principal axis, the angular momentum increases linearly with the angular velocity ω AB = J, mtDas relationship between angular momentum and angular velocity growth change corresponds directly to the mass moment of inertia. You can now have a certain time, a torque acting on different cylindrical flywheels, it therefore leads the flywheels a well-defined quantity angular momentum to, it is found that the angular velocity of the less increases, the heavier the flywheel and the larger the diameter. By supplying a certain amount of angular momentum, the angular velocity increases inversely proportional to the mass, and inversely proportional to the square of the radius of the flywheels.
Pirouette en
Denise Bielmann-Pirouette
italian 1-Euro-coin
#3441 practizising the Tao ( a. ! b. ? mark answer ?)
being boiled ( "Listen to the voice of Buddha......) The Human League B.E.F.
partly Heaven17
translation
Interpretation of the text [edit ] The Song is a complex masterpiece on knappstem space (21 lines) brilliantly plays with different levels of meaning. The first level is dadaistischerNonsense ( calling to the mothers of Orphants ) to caricature probably the irrelevance of most pop songs. The second level is that of a cultural critique of modernity, the animals used as raw materials for the production of luxury goods ( thoughtless slaying ) . The title alludes to the production methods of the luxury good silk, in which the larvae of silkworm ( = Sericulture ) are boiled alive in their cocoons ( = Being BOILD ) . The third level combines this with the Buddhist idea that all living things re-incarnation earlier life stages . Thus, the thoughtless killing the caterpillars, the killing of one's own offspring ( Little people like your offspring Boiled alive) and thus killing itself (hence the title, literally , in the passive Erleidensform , " cooked becoming " means ) means . Made in this context meaning that the sentence appeal to the mothers of orphans is not nonsense , but the reference to the religious idea of a life after death . The last level is the significance of a seemingly radical critique of religion : namely , the production of silk was originally the ornamental character of religious practices and thus religion was the direct cause of this exploitative cultural practices ( boiled alive for some gods stocking ) . In the last verses of Buddha also expressly approves the brutal methods ( he'll say carry on your slaughter ), which refers to the Leibnitz'sche Theodizeeidee ( although God is omnipotent , he can passively suffering on earth : Buddha 's watching , Buddha 's waiting ) . However, the ironic mutations can be associated with the strong coding open the question of what message the author actually thinks seriously. Again, match the verses with a typically postmodern text genre .
Another dadaistic (collage) sense
influencing many other from this artist genre:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCA8cFCL9_w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCA8cFCL9_w)
artesian hand(y)kraft followed by manouvre in the dark
activity ra(d)io
Albert Einstein
[in C.H. borned( borned:Michelangelo philosophy !) like the Dadaism(Zurique)] :
"We are(commonly) only using 10% of our brain capacity"
100% more would mean we use totally 20% of our brain capacity.
400% 50%
Deka-log(os)
| ,,Du sollst dir kein Gottesbild machen und keine Darstellung von irgendetwas am Himmel droben, auf der Erde unten oder im Wasser unter der Erde." |
,,Du sollst dir kein Gottesbildnis machen, das irgendetwas darstellt am Himmel droben, auf der Erde unten oder im Wasser unter der Erde."
google
automatic
translation
"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything up there in the sky, on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth."
"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image that something is in the heavens above, or on earth beneath or in the water under the earth."
Jewish ?
(I)'slam ?
Romanic-catholic:
PATER noster,....... Haeresie !
Apostles' Creed Haeresie !
Calvin and (no,not Hobbes) Zwingli; CH
Luther,Martin ,DE
:Evangelisten,Protestanten,Reformators
But church/temple is everywhere(closed/open sky,where also mess/Messe is
my experiences examples:Kinderyarden,school class, full audience churches,empty churches (echo-hall),conferences,beach sound(summer,winter- all seasons),in shops,
by talking with people or bad inducated ( a- et ab-,de-/ex-/e- cum et sine pro et prae -fix et suffix) animals(wuff-wuff/piep-piep) and also
-live in concert(s):
80'ees
Olympia-Hall(e)/Munich: SAGA (fom CANADA )
ALABAMA-Hall/Munich: FREUR(The Doot-Doot),
ANNE CLARKE(Metropolis,Our Darkness),UB40(Red,red vine),
OMD("Maid Of Orleans")
Deutsche Museum-SAAL/Munich: Depeche Mode(DM)
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/3850794/Depeche_Mode_Get_The_Balance_Right (http://www.myvideo.de/watch/3850794/Depeche_Mode_Get_The_Balance_Right)
(Commodore,Atari time: Defender,Asteroids)
( During the concert I began to shout for the Depesche "The boys say GO" then some other shouted with me and what did the group in their modi : "go ahead" ! an played other songs. Mental power :P .
Date !984/85: Okay,at home I have LP and Cassette/-player/-recorder, 8) ,and your new cover I will copying from friends ::) rapster trilogie : bartering by friend:
Tit for Tat :
wysiwyg interactive (please,no Trojan horse plagiate)
Sincerely
OCWdL
p.s.: during the 80'ees,after school, I worked part-timely also in a McDonald
"restaurant": Munich/Herterichstrasse; this establishment some
hundred meters away from the "Centraleurope" McDonalds headquarter
This earnings/salary/sold give/gave us,as young people, a good pocket-
money to buy technical equipment or wear/clothes or music products or
imaterial possibilities like concerts/cinema visiting.
Flower/presents for family and friends(a. :) and b. :-* )
As professional work( at the counter or oven-not as shop-gerent ,40 and more hours per week,this is -other earnings/wages quantity related-to be termed as not enough,included to calculate that this people have also to do their home-and adult life-work ! :-\
p.s II.: Lee, you influenced triffid : diasater #3425
p.s.III: Deka-logos
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Neither a Rabbi,nor Ayatollah/Iman and also not a priest/Pope can dictate you what you have to take for "GOD".
You have to selffind what you wish what HE/SHE/IT shall(singularis)
should(pluralis) be !
They all can help by the search -by open polymuseal (Musen)archives and
the right cursor- and probably their/the common intentions interpretation
from their own view or as geral view !?
Probably during asking and answering of "childs/kids" or "elders"-and vice- versa - gives inspiratory and for the humanKind unknown searcher
surprising im- /expressions ?!
Music for the masses
Muses for the masses
entertainment for the masses
a Erst die Arbeit dann das Vergnuegen ?
o Erst das Vergnuegen dann die Arbeit ?
kao Vergnuegen als Arbeit und Arbeit als Vergnuegen
s= schluss fuer heute
german-saxonic :Desaster english-anglo/saxonic : disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_(disambiguation) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_(disambiguation))
What did they -actio- to become afraid of the -reactio ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondratiev_wave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondratiev_wave)
extracting:
For the end of an application phase of any wave there are typical an economic crisis and stagnation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_stagnation). The economic crisis in 2007–2010 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_economic_crisis) is a result of the coming end of the "wave of the Information and telecommunications technological revolution"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_wave_principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_wave_principle)
extracting:
Nature's Laws: The Secret of the Universe (1946 )
From nybtorque:http://www.overunity.com/13951/artificial-gravity-power/msg375268/#new (http://www.overunity.com/13951/artificial-gravity-power/msg375268/#new)
As Nicola Tesla said:
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Sincerely
OCWdL
p.s.I: the great "1000 years Methusalem" cycle :
but not to see with our today sun-earth year
but to see with the ancient moon-earth year ,our today gregorian month
human moon month bio-cycle :
male called "pollution" female called "menustration" (bio-clock)
p.s.II: U.S.american demographie, ethnic roots related :
http://www.welt.de/geschichte/article121352619/Nach-dieser-Karte-muesste-Amerika-Deutsch-sprechen.html (http://www.welt.de/geschichte/article121352619/Nach-dieser-Karte-muesste-Amerika-Deutsch-sprechen.html)
Lee,you see that you are not alone,german/
(~also dutch/d(e)ut(s)ch)) related :
NL, F.R.G, C.H.,AUT,BE,LUX,ITA +
ex-K.and K.-Monarchy(Vienna-Venetien-Byzanz,Doge:
East-Rome Empire: Constantinopel-2-Byzanz-2-Istanbul)
double head eagle
Habsburg(C.H. near Basel)-dynasty
From St.Petersburg to the new capital Moskau in Russia : North-Rome
Russian-Bulgarian-Greecian Kyrill-language mess
from Iwan to the Romanows
double head eagle
Hlge. roem. Reich deutscher Nationen cis-/dis-alpina ? et....et ! ITA,Tirol..... !
Kyffhaeuser; Spyra,Krypta (West-Rome,Papa dos Papas crowned Empire,
Speyer,last R.I.P. Bishop of Rome/Roma)
double head eagle
Napoleon I,Bonaparte : receiving the investitur ( Notre Dame ? Sacre-Coeur ?)
as Imperator ( later Diktator) for the French Empire
double head eagle
Britis(c)h Empire
Called after the to the Romans headache making female freedomfighter Britannia,]
but the real royal families,dynastic,have been the Plantagenets-Tudors-Stuarts-Lancaster
and some others to come finally to the saxonian royal house "Hannover" with ancient relation to Braunschweig (Brunswick in Canada ) and the family Symbol :
The (Heinrich/Hendrick the )Lion and for this :The three Lions
anglo-phonic name change from Lord Battenberg to Lord Mountbatten
Sachen-Coburg-Gotha to House Windsor
Anglicians ( before ?)
Leipzig battaille(Voelkerschlacht) : British Empire,Prussian Empire(Lutheraner),Russian Empire,French Empire, K.and.K. Monarchy Empire
the real 1.Imperial worldwide war
https://www.google.pt/search?q=v%C3%B6lkerschlacht&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ESRxUuvfFIqS7Qb-24CoCA&ved=0CFMQsAQ&biw=800&bih=455 (https://www.google.pt/search?q=v%C3%B6lkerschlacht&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ESRxUuvfFIqS7Qb-24CoCA&ved=0CFMQsAQ&biw=800&bih=455)
worldwide:
Imperator Max. from Habsburg : Mexiko ; Benito Juarez et al.
Habsburg-Bourbon-Orleans Spanish Empire ; Simon Bolivar et al.
Portuguese Empire,in Africa-Asia-South America : contract with Great Britain
double/triple ~ on/in heaven and on/in earth law and order -given
head Kingforce symbol
like clerical: orbi et urbi (urbs=ROMA I before the cision)
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italian 1 Euro coin
http://walshesingrenoble.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/euro_l.jpg?w=535 (http://walshesingrenoble.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/euro_l.jpg?w=535)
A-/symmetrische maskuline Proportionalitaet
Biellmann Pirouette or Biellmann Spin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denise_Biellmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denise_Biellmann)
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audience enthusiasmus :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_(Handel) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_(Handel))
https://www.google.pt/?gws_rd=cr&ei=ql1xUqzMC4nHsgb7qoDgBg#psj=1&q=us+tv+prayer (https://www.google.pt/?gws_rd=cr&ei=ql1xUqzMC4nHsgb7qoDgBg#psj=1&q=us+tv+prayer)
Gospel
https://www.google.pt/?gws_rd=cr&ei=c15xUu6zH8XbtAbt- IFI#psj=1&q=whoopi+goldberg+sister+act (https://www.google.pt/?gws_rd=cr&ei=c15xUu6zH8XbtAbt-IFI#psj=1&q=whoopi+goldberg+sister+act)
from above
Choral I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHASQg8fR0s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHASQg8fR0s)
Choral II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdmw7VdFYjg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdmw7VdFYjg)
American Graffiti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4J-EVxMcd0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4J-EVxMcd0)
It began in Africa .....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunta_Kinte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunta_Kinte)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qW9-s3ITbU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qW9-s3ITbU)
"Einsam" !?
a lonesome "Das Boot" sailor,2002 (what happened ?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC81i2M30Bc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC81i2M30Bc)
2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esaMDTr06ZE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esaMDTr06ZE)
messianis(c)h the influence like a Father and his community
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomanerchor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomanerchor) U.N.E.S.C.O imaterial culture heritage
Die Prinzen
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-DyQ0Bp9RB_NRf8gjnDI-g (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-DyQ0Bp9RB_NRf8gjnDI-g)
U.N.E.S.C.O. heritage for homeland-home-continent and home-world security
LancaIV,What you said about the silkworm larvae is true also for the Queenbee larvae in the making of royal jelly suppentments.They are killed in the millions.A fact I did not know until recently.In spite of all the bad economic news I did find a ray of hope here http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-budget-deficit-down-680b-204012669.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-budget-deficit-down-680b-204012669.html) Seems the budget deficit is the lowest its been in five years.
The $680.3 billion deficit for the just-completed budget year represents 4.1 percent of the total economy, down from 6.8 percent last year. In dollar terms and not adjusted for inflation, the deficit is still the fifth-largest in history. It was exceeded only by four straight deficits above $1 trillion. The record deficit was $1.4 trillion set in 2009, Obama's first year in office.
Quote from: triffid on October 30, 2013, 07:37:01 PM
LancaIV,What you said about the silkworm larvae is true also for the Queenbee larvae in the making of royal jelly suppentments.They are killed in the millions.A fact I did not know until recently.In spite of all the bad economic news I did find a ray of hope here http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-budget-deficit-down-680b-204012669.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-budget-deficit-down-680b-204012669.html) Seems the budget deficit is the lowest its been in five years.
Hello triffid,
I neither said and nor wrote these lines-text but I refered as part from this:
anglo-zone version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_Boiled (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_Boiled)
you remark : no textinterpretation
d(e)utsch-zone version http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_Boiled (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_Boiled)
"Textinterpretation"
and this translated
honor to whom honor is due
Sincerely
CdL
From Secret
The Mirage from the Universe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPlbXl81Rs0&list=RD02uaWrdbvhg1Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPlbXl81Rs0&list=RD02uaWrdbvhg1Q)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MR6D7tL38U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MR6D7tL38U)
quinta
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/food-stamp-cuts-families-face-tough-choices-says-143404058.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/food-stamp-cuts-families-face-tough-choices-says-143404058.html) food stamp cuts went into effect today!
I do see good news in the economy. http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/one-big-risk-could-derail-u-economy-133949401.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/one-big-risk-could-derail-u-economy-133949401.html)
Ward McCarthy, managing director and chief financial economist of the fixed income division at Jefferies, says yes. But it's really just the latest example. McCarthy sees fiscal policy as "the single biggest impediment to the U.S. economy."
"If you look at corporate balance sheets, they are in great shape," he tells The Daily Ticker. "Consumers have been doing a good job of getting their balance sheets in line. We continue to see job growth. So the economy is poised to grow a lot faster, but what we need to do is unleash all this potential economic energy to get the obstacles out of the way and unfortunately most of those obstacles reside in Washington."
More news on the number of possible earths in the milky way. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/science/cosmic-census-finds-billions-of-planets-that-could-be-like-earth.html?src=recg (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/science/cosmic-census-finds-billions-of-planets-that-could-be-like-earth.html?src=recg) triffid
Astronomers reported that there could be as many as 40 billion habitable Earth-size planets in the galaxy, based on a new analysis of data fromNASA's Kepler spacecraft (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/k/kepler_space_telescope/index.html).
One out of every five sunlike stars in the galaxy has a planet the size of Earth circling it in the Goldilocks zone — not too hot, not too cold — where surface temperatures should be compatible with liquid water, according to a herculean three-year calculation based on data from the Kepler spacecraft by Erik Petigura (http://astro.berkeley.edu/~petigura/), a graduate student at the University of California, Berkeley.
It could be more coal and gas out there on those worlds?
Maybe we will build stargates to import foreign oil and natural gas from out there?
An earth( II ) similar planet with only Amazonias ?
Okay,I beam me there ! ;)
Included in my package the "safety sex" manual not to bring to them and their planet an economic desaster !
Sincerely
CdL
It makes me happy right now that we cannot reach these worlds.Maybe someday when we grow up some more?When we learn not to consider other peoples property to be our own.I should hope we learn how to recycle our own wastes and garbage.Nature recycles every single atom.We are supposed to be the brainy primates who survived the extinctions that the early cousins to man did not survive.If we can learn from nature then maybe we are worthy to spread ourselves throughout this galaxy.triffid
I have been reading"The Partys Over",C.C.2003 by Richard Heinberg concerning Oil,War and the fate of industrial societies.It seems that once the oil runs out we are in for a lot of changes in our lives that we may not be happy to see.He looks at all the energy sources that we are tapping now.And says that they fall short of what Oil has done.Says that there are 2 to 4 billion extra people on the planet due to oil being available like it has been the last 100 years.I do recall that Cuba and Guessing,Austria made changes to their towns and villages so they could survive peak oil.The USA is another matter.It will not be that simple here due to controlling oil and auto interests who can buy the government so they can postpone,subvert,and in general make it difficult for us to transit to a place beyond oil.triffid
Yesterday I saw the "Thrive" movie on u-tube.They have a message about the NWO.The movie is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OibqdwHyZxk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OibqdwHyZxk) triffid
Don't think the world is in trouble? Check out http://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-economy-being-sustained-extraordinary-182622539.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-economy-being-sustained-extraordinary-182622539.html) triffid
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Five years after a global financial crisis erupted, the world's biggest economies still need to be propped up.
They're growing and hiring a little faster and creating more jobs, but only with extraordinary aid from central banks or government spending. And economists say major countries may need help for years more.
From the United States to Europe to Japan, central banks are pumping cash into economies and keeping loan rates near record lows. Even fast-growing China has rebounded from an uncharacteristic slump with the help of government money that's poured into projects and made loans easily available from state-owned banks.
For now, thanks in part to the intervention, the world economy is improving. The International Monetary Fund expects global growth to rise to 3.6 percent in 2014 from 2.9 percent this year.
—UNITED STATES
The U.S. economy grew at an unexpectedly solid 2.8 percent annual pace from July through September, though consumers and businesses slowed their spending. And U.S. employers added a surprising strong 204,000 jobs in October.
The Fed has been debating whether hiring is healthy enough to justify slowing its monthly bond purchases. Despite the solid October jobs report, most economists think the Fed won't reduce its bond buying before early next year.
Janet Yellen, who faces a confirming hearing this week for her nomination to lead the Fed starting in January, is expected to sustain its low-rate policies.
Even at reduced levels, the bond purchases would continue to stimulate the economy by adding money to the financial system and lowering loans rates to encourage borrowing and spending. The Fed's purchases have helped offset U.S. government spending cuts.
Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at IHS Global Insight, thinks the U.S. economy will be strong enough to manage without any help from Fed bond purchases by the end of 2014. He sees the Fed raising short-term rates, which it's kept at a record low near zero since late 2008, sometime in 2015.
But weaning the U.S. economy off Fed support, he says, is "tricky ... If you do it too slowly, you could ignite inflation. If you do it too quickly, you run the risk of killing the recovery."
— EUROPE
After enduring two recessions since 2009, the 17 countries that use the euro currency are expected to eke out their second straight quarter of growth from July through September. But many economists say the eurozone's growth might not meet even the feeble 0.3 percent quarterly pace achieved from April through June. The latest quarterly figure will be announced Thursday.
The European Central Bank surprised investors last week by cutting its benchmark refinancing rate to a record 0.25 percent. It acted after economic reports exposed the weakness of the recovery. Inflation last month was a scant 0.7 percent. That raised the risk of deflation — a prolonged drop in wages, prices and the value of assets like stocks and homes.
The rate cut "signals that the ECB is not prepared to accept the risk that the euro area falls into deflation," says Jacob Kirkegaard, senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics.
"Once prices begin to fall, you start to see consumers and businesses change their behavior," Kirkegaard says. "Why should you buy a car today if the price of the car is going to fall tomorrow? Falling into the trap can be very difficult to get out of."
— JAPAN
Japan's economic recovery has gained momentum since Prime Minister Shinzo Abe took office in late 2012. Under "Abenomics," the government and central bank have injected money into the economy through stimulus spending and rate cutting. The economy grew at a robust 3.8 percent annual rate from April through June.
But economists worry about whether the recovery can be sustained and whether Japan can grow enough to make up in tax revenue what it's spending on stimulus.
Noriko Hama, a professor at Kyoto's Doshisha University, contends that only higher wages and rates will give people the income and confidence they need to spend more and restore the economy's health.
Like the Fed, the Bank of Japan could struggle with how to time and carry out a reversal of its easy money policy once the economy improves or if inflation or asset bubbles emerge as a threat.
"They have placed themselves in a very difficult situation indeed," Hama says. "It's a double-edged sword."
—CHINA
China's economy grew at a two-decade low of 7.5 percent in the three months that ended in June compared with a year earlier. That's still a vigorous pace compared with the developed economies of Europe, the United States and Japan. But for China, it marked a slowdown, and Beijing launched a mini-stimulus program, spending on railway construction and other public works.
It worked: Growth edged up to 7.8 percent from July through September from a year earlier.
Yet some economists doubt the gains in China will last.
"I can't see the rebound lasting for very much longer, because it has been driven by government projects," says Mark Williams of Capital Economics.
In the latest quarter, more than half the reported growth was due to investment, not trade or consumption. Many economists say China's continued reliance on government-led investment is dangerous. It threatens to produce factories that make goods no one wants and unneeded real estate developments that can't repay loans.
China responded to the 2008 global crisis by ordering its banks to open their lending spigots. The recovery has been underpinned by a surge in borrowing, which is up 20 percent this year.
China's central bank has warned that the aggressive lending is unsustainable and could cause bad loans to pile up dangerously.
"I think we're going to see policymakers try to crack down on credit in the next few months," Williams says.
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triffid,
Concerning your last posted reply:
A lot of buildings are going up here in S. F. Why? No one seems to be spending money, but, as your sources say(??), the major national economies of the world are being propped up artificially by something like infrastructure improvements alone---whether or not they're needed or worthwhile.
They can't do that forever, since they're borrowing more and more money to do all this.
--Lee
Hi Lee,Government hires when the corporations are not I believe like during the great depression of the 1930s.Although I guess my article says the whole world is doing it now?I hear that a third of the young people in the USA ( who cannot find jobs) are living longer at home with mom and dad.triffid
Things we can do as posted by a reader on an article on retirement.I'll tell you why so many boomers in early (forced) retirement are struggling now. They were the Yuppies of the 80's who made a lot of money and spent it like water because they thought the bonanza would never end - BMW's, overly large houses in gated neighborhoods, country club memberships, the most expensive private schools for the kids. Bad enough but they were especially hard hit in the crash of '08 which destroyed half of what they had left. My wife and I both work but have always lived as if we only had 1 salary and lived very frugally. If I should be forced into early retirement tomorrow, we'd survive just fine. Think grasshopper and the ant.
I personally know people who lost $60,000 in one year being stupid with their finances.Not in the stock market either.Add the stock market losses to that and you get trouble.The problem with stocks is you keep holding out for higher and higher gains.Since no one knows the future the time to sell has often passed without you being aware of it.I found another dime today.People here are not noticing when they exit their cars.Any change they may have dropped that is.
20,000 arrests in MeccaSaudi Arabia is cracking down on cheap foreign workersIn Saudi Arabia, the government goes on with a heavy hand against against cheap foreign labor forces. As the Saudi newspaper "Al-Sharq Al-Awsat" announced on Wednesday, more than 20,000 migrants were detained solely in the pilgrimage city of Mecca, whose work permit was no longer valid. If it were 11,962 men and 8927 women who came mainly from Ethiopia, Egypt, Yemen and Indonesia.The Saudi authorities have taken since the end of one period toleration beginning of the month numerous black workers in detention. In Riyadh, there was reason to unrest. Living in Saudi Arabia with a population of around 27 million people nearly six million foreigners.
Genf,Marbella,Acapulco,St.Moritz/Davos,London,Paris,New York ...... Deluxe-hotels and bordells/hostess-services worldwide:
show the world your best-video with 1001 positions and al-cool from this wahabitan kingsfamily with more than 3000 members
abra ca d`abra fidibus or how said this blonde litle girl
from the Mazzagin: (k)isme`t
Aug/eye um/for Aug/eye - Zahn/tooth um/for Zahn/tooth
How you treat me(me,you) HE: AllA`h (YOU) will treat you
ES- opposed-SE
GOD Devil/Diabol/Satan
ALLA`h Sheitan
Satast Danaeae .....
Israel: U.S.A. Aussenminister Kerry definiert euer Handeln als Voelkerrechtsbruch, das heisst Vorverurteiling bis zum Spruch des Internationalen U.N.-Gerichtshofes fuer Menschenrechte in Haia/Den Hawk/Hague : Selbstanzeige an richtiger Ort und Stelle des gesamten israelitischen Parlamentes/Knesseth waere ratsam .
Meines juengeren Bruders dessen geschiedene Frau hat pakistanische Voelker-Nation Wurzeln.Sie,als Paar, haben insgesamt zwei Kinder,von drei muetterlichen Kindern, gezeugt.
Euer Saudi-Arabia/Israel/Frankreich-Spiel koennen Andere fuer Gut heissen.
Has the world a problem with carbonated fuel delivering ?
a.http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&ST=advanced&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=pierre+chambrin (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&ST=advanced&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=pierre+chambrin)
Raffinery-"crack-(like heroin lab)er"=german "strecken"-principle : how many times do you read is the transmutation factor possibility?
b. CO2-recuperation(like vacuum air cleaner) and refill -readytouse- www.egm-international.com (http://www.egm-international.com)
Besides "FuckyouGoethae" "fuckyouOPEC" or becomes fair .
Sincerely
CL
lancaIV (http://www.overunity.com/profile/lancaiv.1554/) the world is running out of cheap fossil fuels.By 2050 those changes may have occurred.The world will be adapting to the new reality.It could be that by that time the USA will have taken over the Saudi oil fields by force.My book that I have already mentioned has given me their glimpse into the future.triffid
The book"The Partys Over"explains a lot of things that have already happened and forecasts many others that may happen.Please recall that Cuba and Guessing ,Austria has already made the switch past peak oil.The rest of the world will have to catch up.triffid
The Isle of Guernsey has a well-regulated,non-debt-based paper currency.Its a British protectorate which has had a interest- free paper currency since 1816,has no public debt,no unemployment,and a high standard of living.Read on about it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernsey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernsey)
"triffid,here from the actual "Die Welt-online journal :
Imagine you're the Iran
The world from the eyes of the rogue state: Israeli military historian Martin van Creveld explains the thinking of Iran from the inside view - and shows that the regime wants to build nuclear weapons.
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Imagine you are sitting in Tehran. It is May 2003.
You are surrounded by American troops with a thickness of a quarter million. They form a part of that which is said to be the most organized, besttrainierte, best equipped and best commanded armed force in history. Some are stationed in the northeast in the various States of the former Soviet Union. Some are in the east of Afghanistan. Some are in the Persian Gulf and some have just occupying Iraq.
Where U.S. forces are stationed, nuclear weapons are either already available or can be driven fairly fast. Some of your most powerful neighbors, including Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Israel are close U.S. allies, have two of these four nuclear weapons.
Especially the war against Iraq has recently can convincingly demonstrate the military power of the United States. In contrast, Iran is a third world country. If the American military machine choose to attack you, there is no way for you to stop him. For the past quarter century, you lie in a dispute with the United States. The latter simply can not admit that some of their own lifestyle prefer the Amüsierlokals of Hollywood.
Worse, the U.S. is one of the most unpredictable countries in the world. Since the mid-eighties they launch campaigns - some huge - in Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan and again in Iraq. Not to mention missiles and drone attacks in Sudan, Pakistan and Yemen. You never know what country an American president will bomb next, whether with or without cause. Even if, as is sometimes the case, the president did not even know where this country is all about.
Holocaust denial, your foolish train
There is only one thing you can do: build nuclear weapons. Like the entire post-war history shows, a country with nuclear weapons is safe. If not against everything, then you definitely against the most powerful and dangerous military attack there is. You accelerate your program, which progressed rather slowly up to this point.
You know that many Muslims, especially the Sunnis in the Gulf and also some other, afraid of you. So, you say that the Holocaust is a myth, a foolish train, because he brings a lot of the rest of the world against you. You explain that Israel is not a legitimate state that the Zionist regime is bad, it will disappear, that any Israeli attack will have a devastating counter-shock and so on and so forth.
A little, hardly worth mentioning, you also supports Hezbollah and Hamas. It is always good to be a thorn in Israel. However, you pay attention very well that your own troops do not collide directly with the Israeli. And despite all your rage you send a ship to Gaza as it did the Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan.
Something you never do, Israel is explicitly threatening to destruction. Finally, you've read some reports from the USA, who claimed that Israel has enough ICBMs, submarines and hydrogen bombs to turn your country into a nuclear desert. You do not want to play with fire.
Poor little Gaddafi
We turn in the year 2008 / 9th The Americans stuck in both Afghanistan and Iraq. They are broke. The danger of an attack on your own country, Iran, has been greatly reduced. Israel, especially Netanyahu, would you love to - as some say - fight the same way until the last drop of American blood as it has indeed helped to push the U.S. both in the first and in the second Iraq war. As much as Netanyahu also tried it does not work, instead of doing what he says, the U.S. would rather bribe him with weapons. It's not hard to bribe the rest. You can it afford to relax a little.
We turn again to the year 2013. On the one hand you're just witnessing of what happened to the poor little Gaddafi. In 2002/03, the promise of the West trusting, he made the mistake of giving up its nuclear weapons program. In return, the West took advantage of this very first best way to drop him in the back. Now he is dead and the members of his female bodyguard, with whom he once boasted - the so-called Lipstick Brigade - accusing him of .
On the other side shows you Obama and Cameron's failed attack on Syria that you have the worst behind you. Your most pressing problem is the economic sanctions that are beginning to really hurt. What are you doing? You go to Geneva. You discuss. You are willing to delay the construction of the bomb, provided keeping the ability to build them quickly when needed.
And in any case you will accept Netanyahu's demand to dismantle your nuclear infrastructure. Straight from Israel, which is not a signatory of the NPT, in contrast to Iran, this is the most absurd claim that supplied to another since the ultimatum Austria-Hungary to Serbia in 1914, a per country.
The outlook? It will work. And whatever Netanyahu may say the agreement will be good for Iran, the Middle East, for the world and even for Israel.
Martin van Creveld is Professor Emeritus of History at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. He is the author of over 20 books on military matters, which were published in 20 languages.
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When the geral Israel eleitor begins to change his habit by orthodox party eleition then
orthodox jewish fathers and mothers with x-and more " hungry and thursty" kids will have to begin with ordinary and orthodox paid work and actually many of them- I think so are feeling- :
"I see an economic disaster coming : we,wife,will have to work !And our kiddy kids will supervising us for the rest of our life
Work:Igittigitt :o ??? :-\ "
Hewenu shalom
CL
Liebe Gruesse nach Speyer,Ziegelhofenweg 42,Klassenlehrerin der1-4. Klasse der Grundschule Roßmarkt Frau Anneliese Joerger ,welche uns Schueler-/innen seinerzeit das Lied "Hewenu Shalom alechem,....!" zu Singen und Tanzen "beibrachte.
Was ist wohl aus dem indischen Klassenpatenkind geworden ?
(Frau Joerger,bin kein "klassischer" 8) Legastheniker gewesen, aber "gesegnet" mit Kurzsichtigkeit,zumindest der optischen Sehschwaeche bezueglich.)
Habe dann in der 5.Klasse am Hans-Purrmann Gymnasium Englisch phonetisch gelernt 8) ,fand mein Vater dann gar nicht gut-die Konsequenz-daraus,schlechte Noten :o !
Bedankte sich dann an mir mit einer 4-woechigen Learning-English-Reise in Torquay/Torbay,gemeinsam mit meiner juengeren Schwester(gegenueber der aelteren Schwester :P ).
so wurde die englische Lebensart vertraut.
"Die spinnen,die Briten" :( : morgens schon Bohnen zum Fruehstueck ! ::)
Is the work world mental and social ready for the next Kontradjef-wave evolution step ?
One industrial sector example:
Source: www.wiwo.de -online (http://www.wiwo.de-online) 14.11.2013
and google automatic translator used:
Electric and hybrid cars are indeed a clean, but rarely a cheap affair. In this country there is , for example, the BMW i3 from around 35,000 euros. Who wants it more luxurious, has for the Model S from Tesla shell out more than 70,000 euros. Reason for the high prices are mainly the expensive components such as the batteries, but also the complicated assembly of the companion.
For as long as cars drive concepts beyond the traditional internal combustion engine are still no proper mass products, the production can be difficult to automate. While there is the Toyota Prius, which has now sold hundreds of thousands of times, but this also fails with at least 26,000 euros.
That hybrid companion and electricity in the future could be significantly cheaper, the Canadian designer Jim Kor wants to prove. Namely hybrid cars directly from the 3D printer.
What at first sounds like a joke or a vision of the distant future, Cor tested for quite some time. Now he stands before the final test: to print to a truly world-friendly car and drive with him through the country.
The first version of his Urbee mentioned vehicle combination presented Cor 2008. It had only a few parts directly from the 3D printer. Now Cor Urbee presented second The car will be built almost entirely of printed parts and soon complete his first hardness test: a trip between New York and San Francisco and back. Twice across the United States so.
Thus Cor wants to show how resilient and environmentally friendly is his Urbee second In the nearly 4700 kilometers of travel, the hybrid vehicle will only need about 38 liters of fuel - that is 0.8 liters per 100 kilometers.
Consumption of the printed mileage: 0.8 liters per 100 kilometers
The low fuel consumption thanks to the Urbee 2 of the construction and the drive concept. Thus, the vehicle should be extremely easy for a next seven horsepower engine coupled to an electric motor. The combination of the two drive systems ensures the low consumption, the developer says
Two years have Kor and his team took the time to plan the trip and make the Urbee 2 fit. Kors and his two sons want to drive the car between the U.S. coasts back and forth.
As in 1903, the car enthusiast Horatio Jackson accomplished the first coast-to-coast ride, he needed it more than 3000 liters of fuel and more than two months. Now the team wants the same power with 40 liters of petrol in less than a to accomplish week.
To search Kor and his team are still supporters. Their Kickstarter campaign they want to solicit 30 000 U.S. dollars (about 22 400 euro) in capital.
www.epo.org (http://www.epo.org) to C.A.D. to C:N.C controled 3D printing machine= C.I.M.-industry,home-based
"FORMAT"-ION like "house" printing:
http://www.contourcrafting.org/ (http://www.contourcrafting.org/)
( or Dante Bini tecnics )
Sincerely
OCL
The 3D printing examples before for the good and now for the eventual bad :
www.n-tv.de (http://www.n-tv.de) from 09.11.2013 google translated
"Works beautifully"
U.S. firm presents Colt with 3-D printer ago
It is the first gun made of metal, which was almost entirely made from a 3-D printer. According to the company, the gun works fine. But actually it is the company is not about the gun.
The U.S. company Solid Concepts has made a tradition of the brand Colt M1911 pistol in a 3-D process. According to the company, it is the first gun made of metal that - was completely produced with a 3-D printer - with the exception of the springs. The gun "works beautifully," the company said in a press release. You've already gone through several passages with more than 600 successful shots, says the company blog.
There were no visible signs of wear. A movie company shows how the gun is fired by means of a first cord. An employee of the company then shoots himself with hits from the 45's and about 25 meters from the mark.
Solid Concepts point was not about finding a cheaper, easier or better way to make a weapon engineer Philip Conner said in the video. The company the aim was to refute the conventional assumption that DMLS parts are not strong enough or detail for practical applications. DMLS is a method developed in Germany in the 3-D printing, which stands for Direct Metal Laser-Sintering.
"This is not about the gun"
The California-based company specializes in custom 3-D printers. Until now, the gun is not for sale, Solid Concepts, however, is considering going into production. The price of the 1911 would be in the five figure range, the company said.
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The company emphasizes that such a gun can not be made with a commercially available 3-D printer. "A printed gun metal requires equipment that costs 400000-1000000 dollars," says the company blog. Again, it is emphasized that the production of weapons was not in focus. "The story that we want to communicate, it is not about the gun." In fact, it is a question which shows the gun with regard to technology and the possible complications.
The production of arms with 3-D printer is considered to be quite a security risk. In the UK the end of October, a deduction and a magazine had been found, which apparently came from a 3-D printer. Back in the spring, a blueprint for a gun from the 3-D printer showed up in the net. These weapons, however, are not made of metal but of plastic - which makes them even more dangerous from the perspective of the police. "Because they are plastic, they are weapons of detectors difficult to discover," said a British police inspector in Manchester.
Series of images
Just once printed
Sculptures, as small as a grain of sand
and
3d machine printing of micro/medio/macro " overcontinental cruise missiles",neurological software equiped,flying above and under the radar sphere but possibly detected by killer-satellites !
Some years before I reed in an australian/ozeanian web-page about 50.000 AUS/NZL/US ?
DIY-cruise missile production : now the cost will goes down !
http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/ (http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/)
With all my praegard
OCL
p.s.: beginning with private/govermental moon rockets:
Who owns the earth moon ?
Our solar system planets ?
Who will own it ?
"not here,not yet !" Durban conference U.N. secretary (K)ofi Annan (ghanan tribe Chief-son)
These questions and answers are immanent: X-prize and 500days-Mars-test(e) in Russia
related
U.N. theme conference ?
Quote from: triffid on November 14, 2013, 01:22:21 AM
lancaIV (http://www.overunity.com/profile/lancaiv.1554/) the world is running out of cheap fossil fuels.By 2050 those changes may have occurred.The world will be adapting to the new reality.It could be that by that time the USA will have taken over the Saudi oil fields by force.My book that I have already mentioned has given me their glimpse into the future.triffid
@IancaIV
triffid may have a point. Free energy has to come.
I myself have an idea of combining Don Smith's multiple coupled tower induction entrained power coils with a long, highly positioned antenna, connected to a central coil that multiplies what comes down to the central coil and increases the power available by any amount, depending on the number of coils surrounding the central coil. Power is taken each surrounding coil off by a step-down coil and then rectified to a battery or a bank of batteries.
Simple system, really.
--Lee
Hello Lee,
if I go actually to the garden I could use a trap to catch butterflies,different species.But I do not think that you want to use your antenna-trap for kind of this catching but for this:
from the actuall www.keelynetcom (http://www.keelynetcom) -page
http://cognizantnationhq.weebly.com/uploads/1/0/8/0/10802824/freeenergyrevised.pdf (http://cognizantnationhq.weebly.com/uploads/1/0/8/0/10802824/freeenergyrevised.pdf)
and here an old publication about "static atmospheric energy conversion" referring also Tesla:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220710&CC=GB&NR=157263A&KC=A (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220710&CC=GB&NR=157263A&KC=A)
How works an (room) air ionizer ? Counter conversion ?Simple sytem, the radiation receiving-amplifying-tuning-equalyzing :
like a dolby (mare) sound surround converter ( kaori-caracol sound : rauschen)
Sincerely
OCL
p.s.: other Otto Traun Research Lab developed solutions :
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?DB=EPODOC&PA=otto+traun&ST=advanced&bcId=1&compact=false&locale=en_EP&page=0&return=true
HERMANN SCHROEDEL VERLAG KG
Edition 1974
Dorn-Bader
Physik
Mittelstufe
translated by google
page 419-420
ATOMPHYSIK
2.The natural radiation exposure , radiation protection
Experiment 11 : We are a bare wire clamp over night 1-5 m length about 0.4 mm diameter insulated and connect it to the negative pole of a high voltage rectifier 3000 V to 6000 V.Den positive pole grounded wir.Am next day we take the wire off again , and we strive to him as little as possible to beruehren.Einen Loesch small strips of paper Briefmarkengroesse once we fold and pull the wire through so that its entire surface on.The wiped wiper marks on the paper are clearly visible. We load the paper , folded as it is, under a counter tube (not professional technician caution window! ) And measure every 15 minutes, the count rates 1 Minute.Die measurement gives a graph as Abb.420.1 . In the air there are positive ions of radioactive substances deposited on the wire haben.Es is getting the nuclei great speed primarily to the decay products of radon and of an isotope Thoron.Durch the Rueckstoss the alpha- decay have so that their Elektronenhuelle is partially stripped , so they are initially positively ionized and are attracted to the negative wire.
After Abb.420.1 a half-life of 33 minutes seems to be , but in reality the process is very complicated : the derivatives decompose and form again
disintegrating derivatives .
Only many more detailed studies can schaffen.One thing we see from the experiment with security:Our environment contains radioactive Stoffe.Dies always has been the case for millions of years, long before the atomic bomb tests and the construction of nuclear power plants.Also are also in our body, especially the bones, radioactive nuclear species eingebaut.Dies causes a total natural radiation Bela Sunt, we can not escape.However, we can keep the additional Strahlenbelasung small......
More question about the "free sub-elementary electro-magnetic energy source" ?
Sincerely
OCL
Here we can see 13 humans (figures):
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3A%C3%9Altima_Cena_-_Da_Vinci_5.jpg (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3A%C3%9Altima_Cena_-_Da_Vinci_5.jpg)
Das Abendmahl (Leonardo da Vinci)
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Das Abendmahl
Leonardo da Vinci, 1494–1498
Secco, 422 cm × 904 cm
Santa Maria delle Grazie
Das Abendmahl (italienisch: Il Cenacolo bzw. L'Ultima Cena) des italienischen Malers Leonardo da Vinci ist eines der berühmtesten Wandgemälde der Welt.
Das in der Seccotechnik ausgeführte Werk wurde in den Jahren 1494 bis 1498 im Auftrag des Mailänder Herzogs Ludovico Sforza geschaffen. Es schmückt die Nordwand des Refektoriums (Speisesaal) des Dominikanerklosters Santa Maria delle Grazie in Mailand und gilt als Höhepunkt in Leonardos malerischem Schaffen.Inhaltsverzeichnis [Verbergen]
1 Allgemeines
2 Geschichte
3 Dargestellte
3.1 Bartholomäus, Jakobus und Andreas
3.2 Petrus, Judas und Johannes
3.3 Jesus
3.4 Thomas, Jakobus und Philippus
3.5 Matthäus, Thaddäus und Simon
4 Die Perspektive
5 Rezeption
5.1 Das Gemälde in der Modernen Kunst
6 Verfremdungen in der Werbung und der Kunst
7 Literatur
8 Belletristik
9 Weblinks
10 Einzelnachweise
Allgemeines[Bearbeiten]
Santa Maria delle Grazie
Das Bild misst 422×904 cm[1] und zeigt Jesus mit den zwölf Aposteln in dem Augenblick unmittelbar nachdem dieser ihnen erklärt hat: ,,Einer von euch wird mich verraten". Es gilt als Meilenstein der Renaissance, denn es nahm wegen seiner korrekt wiedergegebenen perspektivischen Tiefe bahnbrechenden Einfluss auf die Malerei des Abendlandes.
Der Tisch und die Apostel sind an der vorderen Begrenzung des Raums angeordnet, in dem das Mahl stattfindet. Dahinter verengt sich der Raum, und die dargestellten Personen scheinen in den Raum des Refektoriums zu blicken. Das Licht, das die Szene ausleuchtet, kommt jedoch nicht aus dem dreiteiligen gemalten Fenster, sondern schräg von links wie das wirkliche Licht, das durch Fenster an der linken Wand einfällt.
In diesem Bild findet man an vielen Stellen den goldenen Schnitt, zum Beispiel dort, wo Jesus und die Person rechts neben ihm (Jakobus der Ältere), die Hände haben, wird das Bild in diesem Verhältnis geteilt.
Aus konservatorischen Gründen ist eine Besichtigung nur in kleinen Gruppen für jeweils 15 Minuten möglich. Das Buchen von Eintrittskarten zu festen Terminen (Zeitfenster-Tickets) ist obligatorisch.[2]
Geschichte[Bearbeiten]
,,Das Abendmahl", Giampietrino (ca. 1520), Royal Academy of Arts, London, wie das Bild einmal ausgesehen haben mag.
Nachdem Leonardo die Arbeit am Tonmodell des Sforza-Denkmals beendet hatte, begann er – ebenfalls im Auftrage des Herzogs Ludovico Sforza – 1495 das Abendmahl im Refektorium des Klosters Santa Maria delle Grazie. Erste Ideen hatte er bereits auf einer Studie zur ,,Anbetung der Könige" skizziert: Eine Gruppe von Männern aus dem Gefolge der Könige an einer Tafel.
In einer Rötelzeichnung ordnete er die Jünger in Zweiergruppen und zeigte dabei noch Anlehnungen an die Abendmahlsdarstellungen Domenico Ghirlandaios und Andrea del Castagnos. Johannes ruht ebenfalls zur Linken Christi mit dem Oberkörper auf dem Tisch und Judas sitzt von den übrigen Aposteln isoliert vor der Tafel.
In einer Notiz beschreibt Leonardo die unterschiedliche Haltung der Jünger:
Einer, der gerade trinken wollte, aber den Becher auf seinem Platz stehen ließ und den Kopf dem Erzählenden zuwandte. Ein andrer, die Finger seiner Hände verschränkend und die Stirn runzelnd, wendet sich seinem Nachbarn zu. Ein andrer, mit offenen Händen, zeigt die Handflächen, hebt die Schultern gegen die Ohren und öffnet den Mund vor Erstaunen. Ein andrer sagt seinem Nächsten etwas ins Ohr, und dieser, der lauscht, dreht sich ihm zu und schenkt ihm Gehör, in einer Hand ein Messer, in der andern das mit diesem Messer durchgeschnittene Brot. Ein andrer, mit einem Messer in der Hand, wirft beim Umdrehen mit dieser Hand einen Becher auf dem Tisch um. Ein andrer legt die Hände auf den Tisch und starrt vor sich hin. Ein andrer bläst auf seinen Bissen. Ein andrer beugt sich vor, um den Erzählenden zu sehen, und beschattet dabei mit der Hand seine Augen. Ein andrer tritt hinter den zurück, der sich vorbeugt, und schaut zwischen der Wand und dem Vorgebeugten auf den Erzählenden.[3]
In sorgfältigen Einzelstudien, die sich heute in Schloss Windsor befinden, bereitete Leonardo die Apostelköpfe vor und suchte nach einem geeigneten Modell für Jesus.
Ludovico Sforza betrachtet Leonardos Abendmahl
Von der Ungeduld des Priors erzählt Vasari folgende Anekdote:
Man sagt, der Prior des Klosters habe Lionardo sehr ungestüm angetrieben, das Werk zu vollenden: ihm schien es seltsam, Lionardo bisweilen einen halben Tag in Nachdenken verloren zu sehen; es wäre ihm lieber gewesen, wenn er gleich Arbeitern, die den Garten umhacken, den Pinsel niemals aus der Hand gelegt hätte. Da ihm nicht Genüge geleistet wurde, beschwerte er sich vor dem Herzog und drängte ihn so lange, bis dieser sich gezwungen sah, Lionardo rufen zu lassen, und ihn freundlich zur Arbeit bewegte, wobei er versicherte, er tue dies nur auf die Zudringlichkeit des Priors hin.
Leonardo kannte den klaren Verstand und den Takt des Fürsten, und deshalb entschloss er sich, mit ihm über die Sache ausführlich zu reden, was er mit dem Prior nie getan hatte. Er äußerte sich weitläufig über die Kunst und machte anschaulich, daß erhabene Geister bisweilen am meisten schaffen, wenn sie am wenigsten arbeiten, nämlich wenn sie erfinden und vollkommene Ideen ausbilden, die die Hände ausdrücken und darstellen nach jenen, die schon im Geiste konzipiert sind. Zwei Köpfe, so fügte er hinzu, wären es, die ihm noch fehlten, der von Christus, nach welchem er nicht auf Erden suchen wolle, und von dem er nicht glaube, daß seiner Einbildungskraft jene Schönheit und himmlische Anmut vorschweben könne, die der menschgewordenen Gottheit gezieme; der andere sei der des Judas, über den er nachdenke. Ihm scheine es unmöglich, passende Gesichtszüge für jenen zu erfinden, dessen trotziger Geist nach so vielfach empfangenen Wohltaten des Entschlusses fähig gewesen wäre, seinen Meister, den Erretter der Welt, zu verraten; nach diesem letzteren indes wolle er suchen, und finde er nichts Besseres, so bliebe ihm der des lästigen und taktlosen Priors gewiß.
Dies brachte den Herzog sehr zum Lachen und er gab Lionardo tausendmal recht. Der arme Prior, in Verwirrung geraten, befleißigte sich, die Arbeiten im Garten zu betreiben, Lionardo aber ließ er in Frieden; dieser führte den Kopf des Judas so trefflich zu Ende, daß er das wahre Bild des Verrates und der Unmenschlichkeit ist; das Haupt Christi dagegen blieb unvollendet ... [3]
Bei der Ausführung versuchte Leonardo, die Öltechnik für die Wandmalerei zu nutzen. Wegen der Feuchtigkeit der Mauer und des Gebrauchs experimenteller organischer Farben, die sich bald als Fehlgriff erwiesen, erlitt das Gemälde jedoch noch zu Lebzeiten Leonardos schwere Schäden durch feine Risse. Im Laufe der Zeit blätterte auch die Farbe über weite Flächen ab. Einer später in die Wand eingezogenen Tür fielen Jesu Füße zum Opfer, die Leonardo ursprünglich abgebildet hatte.
Der Dichter Matteo Bandello, dessen Onkel der Prior des Klosters war, beobachtete Leonardo häufig beim Malen des Abendmahls und berichtet darüber Folgendes:
Er kam oft früh zur Morgendämmerungszeit in den Konvent und ich konnte ihn bei seiner Arbeit beobachten. Eilends stieg er auf das Gerüst, arbeitete fleißig, bis ihn die Schatten des Abends zum Aufhören zwangen, und dachte nie daran, Nahrung zu sich zu nehmen, so sehr war er in seine Arbeit vertieft. Zu anderen Zeiten kam er drei oder vier Tage lang, ohne sein Bild anzurühren, und blieb nur ein paar Stunden mit verschränkten Armen davor stehen und blickte seine Figuren an, als ob er sie selbst kritisierte. Auch sah ich ihn oftmals mittags, ohne nach Schatten zu suchen, auf dem schnellsten Weg in den Konvent eilen, wenn das Glühen der Sonne im Zenit sämtliche Straßen Mailands menschenleer gemacht hatte. Er kam von der Zitadelle, wo er sein kolossales Pferd [das Sforza-Reiterstandbild] modellierte. Im Konvent brachte er ein oder zwei Pinselstriche an, um dann augenblicklich wieder zurückzugehen.[4]
Der französische König Franz I. war so angetan von dem Bild, dass er es von der Wand ablösen lassen und nach Frankreich mitnehmen wollte. Doch die damit verbundenen Schwierigkeiten hatten laut Giorgio Vasari ,,zur Folge, daß seine Majestät die Lust verlor und es [das Bild] den Mailändern blieb".[5]
Gobelin
Mosaikkopie in der Wiener Minoritenkirche
Während der folgenden zwanzig oder dreißig Jahre wurden in Italien und Flandern zahlreiche Kopien angefertigt, die zum Teil noch erhalten sind und einen Eindruck davon geben, wie das Abendmahl ursprünglich ausgesehen haben mag. Als der Dauphin von Frankreich, der spätere Heinrich II., im Jahr 1533 Katharina von Medici heiratete, sandte König Franz I. einen großen Gobelin mit einer Kopie von Leonardos Abendmahl, der heute im Vatikan zu sehen ist. Der Gobelin ist reichhaltig verziert und zeigt im Hintergrund eine komplizierte Architektur im italienisierenden Stil, wie er in Frankreich damals üblich war.
Napoleons Besatzungstruppen machten das Refektorium dann zu einem Pferdestall. Napoléon ließ auch eine Mosaikkopie in Auftrag geben, die jedoch erst nach seinem Sturz beendet wurde und von seinem Schwiegervater Kaiser Franz I gekauft wurde. Für seinen ursprünglich vorgesehenen Aufstellungsort im Belvedere erwies sie sich als zu groß, so dass sie letztlich in die Wiener Minoritenkirche kam.
1943 überstand das Gemälde einen Bombenangriff, der die Südwand des Saals zum Einsturz brachte. Doch das Abendmahl blieb unversehrt, da es von den Mönchen des Klosters mit Sandsäcken geschützt worden war.
Das Abendmahl wurde bereits mehrfach restauriert, vor allem durch Bellotti (1726), Mazza (1770) und Berezzi (1819). Erst in jüngster Zeit (1978 bis 1999) gelang es durch moderne Techniken den Verfall des Bildes aufzuhalten. Heute kann es wieder besichtigt werden, wird jedoch durch Sicherheits- und Staubschleusen geschützt. Pro Stunde werden nur etwa 100 Besucher zugelassen, daher gibt es lange Wartelisten und eine Anmeldung ist notwendig.
1980 wurde die Kirche gemeinsam mit dem Gemälde von der UNESCO zum Weltkulturerbe erklärt.
Dargestellte[Bearbeiten]
Studien Leonardos
Leonardos Komposition dieses traditionellen kirchlichen Themas ist lebhafter/bewegter als frühere Werke. Er verzichtet auf Heiligenscheine und die bildhafte Isolierung des Verräters Judas. Er gruppiert die Apostel in vier Teileinheiten, die auf unterschiedliche Weise auf seine Enthüllung ,,Einer von euch wird mich verraten" reagieren.
Bartholomäus, Jakobus und Andreas[Bearbeiten]
Bartholomäus, Jakobus der Jüngere und Andreas bilden am linken Rand eine Dreiergruppe, die die Überraschung des Moments ausdrückt.
Bartholomäus (wahrscheinlich identisch mit ,,Nathanael" aus dem Johannesevangelium) – blaues Gewand (ganz links). Er soll der Legende nach in Indien, Mesopotamien und Armenien gepredigt haben, wo er auch das Martyrium erlitten haben soll. Astyages soll den Befehl gegeben haben, ihm bei lebendigem Leibe die Haut abzuziehen und ihn anschließend kopfunter zu kreuzigen. Bartholomäus stützt sich auf den Tisch und ist empört.
Jakobus, der Sohn des Alphäus, Bruder des Thaddäus, auch ,,Jakobus der Jüngere" – rotes Gewand (2. v. L). In der Kirchengeschichte wurde Jakobus, der Sohn des Alphäus, auch mit Jakobus dem Kleinen und Jakobus, dem Bruder Jesu gleichgesetzt. Jakobus der Kleine wird in der Bibel nur einmal erwähnt (Mt 27,56) und zwar als Sohn einer Jüngerin Jesu namens Maria und Bruder eines Joses. Jacobus bleibt scheinbar gelassen, doch ist er starr vor Schreck.
Andreas, Bruder des Simon Petrus – gelbes Gewand (3. v. l.). Andreas sei zuerst ein Jünger Johannes des Täufers gewesen, der ihn dann an Jesus wies, worauf er auch seinen Bruder Simon zu Jesus führte mit der Botschaft ,,Wir haben den Messias gefunden" (Joh 1,35-42). Daher kommt sein traditioneller Beiname der Erstberufene. In den Apostellisten erscheint Andreas immer unter den ersten vier Aposteln. Andreas zieht auf diesem Bild seine Schultern hoch und wehrt mit den Händen ab, die besagen: ,,Aber ich doch nicht!"
Bartholomäus, Jakobus und Andreas
Bartholomäus, Jakobus und Andreas
Studie für den Bartholomäus
Bartholomäus mit abgezogener Haut in der Sixtinischen Kapelle
Petrus, Judas und Johannes[Bearbeiten]
Petrus beugt sich zu Jesu Lieblingsjünger Johannes, der den Kopf beugt, während sich der Verräter Judas von beiden distanzierend abwendet.
Simon Petrus (4. v. links; spricht zu Johannes). Nach allen Evangelien lautete sein Name Simon. Paulus von Tarsus dagegen nannte ihn stets Kephas ohne Vornamen. Dieser Ausdruck ist eine Gräzisierung des aramäischen Wortes kefa כיפא, griechisch übersetzt πετρος (petros), latinisiert Petrus. Es bedeutet in beiden Sprachen gewöhnlich ,,Stein". Diesen Beinamen soll Jesus persönlich Simon verliehen haben; wo und wann er dies tat, überliefern die Evangelien unterschiedlich. Mt 16,18 EU erklärt den Beinamen mit Jesu Zusage an Petrus: ,,Auf diesen Felsen will ich meine Kirche bauen." Petrus ist begierig zu erfahren, wer der Verräter sein wird.
Judas Ischariot sitzt im Halbschatten – erkennbar am Geldsäckchen. Vielleicht drückt die angedeutete Drehung Distanzierung aus. Nach allen vier Evangelien soll er in Jerusalem Jesu Festnahme im Garten Getsemani durch die im Sanhedrin führenden Gruppen ermöglicht haben mit der Folge, dass Jesus von diesen an die Römer ausgeliefert und gekreuzigt wurde. Er galt den Urchristen daher als der, der Jesus verriet (Mk 3,19 EU). Judas sitzt im Unterschied zu konventionellen Darstellungen an der gleichen Tischseite wie die übrigen Jünger. Während die Jünger bestürzt diskutieren, verharrt er unbeweglich. Judas ist platziert zwischen dem aufbrausenden Petrus und dem sanften Johannes. Sein Blick geht über das Haupt Jesu hinweg. Über das Modell für den Judas hat der österreichische Schriftsteller Leo Perutz den Roman ,,Der Judas des Leonardo" (postum, 1959) geschrieben: Leonardo da Vinci möchte nach vierzehn Jahren endlich sein Gemälde vollenden, doch es fehlt ihm das Modell für den Kopf des Judas, denn er sucht nach ,,dem allerschlechtesten Menschen in ganz Mailand". Er findet schließlich den böhmischen Kaufmann Joachim Behaim, der nach acht Jahren noch einmal nach Mailand zurückkehrt und sich wundert, dass die Leute über ihn lästern, bis er das Abendmahl ansieht und feststellt, dass Judas sein Gesicht hat.
Johannes (6. v. l.) sitzt an Jesu rechter Seite. Johannes wird in der kirchlichen Tradition mit dem ,,Lieblingsjünger" Jesu aus dem Johannesevangelium identifiziert. Er stand als einziger Jünger unter dem Kreuz. Johannes ist mit sich im Reinen, denn er weiß, dass niemand ihn verdächtigen wird. So sitzt er still da und betrauert das Geschehen. Allerdings gibt es auch Interpretationen, die besagen, dass es sich bei der Darstellung des Johannes um Maria Magdalena handle. Diese Interpretation fußt auf dem Argument, dass man den Brustansatz erkennen könne, wenn man das Bild vergrößere.
Judas, Petrus und Johannes
Judas, Petrus und Johannes
Studie für den Judas
Studie für den Petrus
Jesus[Bearbeiten]
Jesus (mit rotem Gewand und blauem Überwurf) scheint in Richtung seiner nach oben gedrehten Handfläche zu blicken. Die rechte Hand liegt auf dem Tisch. Durch die Zentralperspektive und den Lichteinfall wird Jesu Bedeutung klar hervorgehoben.
Jesus
Jesus ruhig inmitten der aufgeregten Jünger
Jesus in einer älteren Kopie
Studie für den Jesus
Thomas, Jakobus und Philippus[Bearbeiten]
Thomas, Jakobus der Ältere und Philippus drücken mehr Zorn und Fragen aus. Jakobus breitet seine Arme aus und bildet dadurch eine Barriere, die den fragenden Gesten von Thomas (mit erhobenen Zeigefinger) und Philippus (beide Hände zeigen auf seine Brust) Einhalt gebietet.
Thomas, auch ,,Didymos Judas Thomas". Der Name Thomas stammt aus dem Aramäischen und bedeutet ,,Zwilling". Deshalb wird Thomas in der Bibel auch ,,Didymus" (griechisch didymos, δίδυμος) genannt. Nach der Überlieferung ist er der ,,ungläubige Thomas", weil er an der Auferstehung Jesu zunächst zweifelte, bis er selbst die Wundmale des Auferstandenen sehen und berühren durfte. Thomas zeigt zum Himmel als wollte er sagen: ,,Wehe dem Verräter!"
Jakobus, der Sohn des Zebedäus, oder Jakobus der Ältere (sitzt von Jesu aus betrachtet direkt an seiner linken Seite). Er soll der Apostel gewesen sein, der nach der Himmelfahrt Jesu auf der Iberischen Halbinsel predigte. Er breitet seine Arme aus und bildet dadurch eine Barriere zu Jesus.
Philippus – rotes Gewand (4. v. r., gerade aufgesprungen). Philippus wurde von Jesus direkt berufen, ihm nachzufolgen (Johannes 1,43). Er ist es, der das Erlebte dem Nathanael weitererzählte. Philippus ist tief betroffen und kann nicht glauben, dass das Prophezeite wirklich geschieht.
Thomas, Jakobus und Philippus
Thomas, Jakobus und Philippus
Studie für den Philippus
Studie für den Jacobus
Matthäus, Thaddäus und Simon[Bearbeiten]
Matthäus und Thaddäus wenden sich fragend zu dem ganz rechts sitzenden Simon aus Kanaan. Sie debattieren die Enthüllung Jesu, wobei ihre Gesten die Erschütterung verstärken.
Matthäus, der (ehemalige) Steuerpächter und spätere Evangelist (Identität mit dem Evangelisten Matthäus ist aber nicht nachweisbar) – (3. v. R). Nach alter kirchlicher Überlieferung soll Matthäus als erster sein Evangelium in hebräischer Sprache verfasst haben. In seinem Katalog der Kirchenschriftsteller sagt Hieronymus (347–419 n. Chr.) dazu: ,,Matthäus, der auch Levi ist und der von einem Zöllner zu einem Apostel wurde, und zwar als erster aller Evangelisten, verfasste ein Evangelium von Christus in Judäa in der hebräischen Sprache und in hebräischen Schriftzeichen zum Nutzen derjenigen aus der Beschneidung, die geglaubt hatten" ... Matthäus fragt Simon: ,,Kann es stimmen, was uns Jesus gerade gesagt hat?"
Thaddäus, dessen Bruder, auch Judas Thaddäus – (2. v. R.). Die Person Thaddäus ist im Zwölferkreis nach den Quellen nicht eindeutig zu identifizieren und hat zu Spekulationen Anlass gegeben. Er wird auch mit Simon Zelotes identifiziert. Als Kirchenpatrone tauchen beide oft gemeinsam als ,,Sankt Simon und Judas". Thaddäus traut seinen Ohren nicht und fragt Simon, was es mit der Prophezeiung wohl auf sich habe.
Simon Zelotes Kanaanäus – weißes Gewand (ganz rechts). Seinen Beinamen Zelotes, im aramäischen ,,Kananäu", im Deutschen ,,der Eiferer", erhielt er wohl aufgrund seiner ursprünglichen Zugehörigkeit zur radikalen Zelotenpartei, die sich zum Ziel setzten, die Römer gewaltsam aus Israel zu vertreiben. Im Neuen Testament der Bibel erscheint nur sein Name und Beiname, und das auch nur in den Apostellisten; sonstige Details über ihn fehlen vollständig. Nach der Kreuzigung Christi verkündete Simon der Überlieferung nach das Evangelium in Babylonien und Persien, wo er auch zusammen mit Judas Thaddäus den Märtyrertod erlitten haben soll. Simon versucht das Unfassbare zu begreifen.
Matthäus, Thaddäus und Simon
Judas Thaddäus und Simon
Matthäus, Thaddäus und Simon
Die Perspektive[Bearbeiten]
Bildlich dargestellte Fluchtpunktlinien
Leonardo da Vinci äußerte sich im Codex Madrid folgendermaßen zur Perspektive:
...ein Auge, das eine Wandmalerei betrachtet, versetzt sich immer in die Mitte des Bildes. Für sich ist die Perspektive, die eine gerade Wand bietet, falsch, wenn sie nicht der Standort des betrachtenden Auges korrigiert, indem er die Wand perspektivisch verkürzt zeigt.[6]
In der Geschichte perspektivischer Darstellungsweisen vollzog sich im 15. Jahrhundert der Sprung vom Gebrauch handwerklicher Regeln und Erfahrungen zur Anwendung mathematisch fundierter Konstruktionssysteme – das Abendmahl Leonardos ist das Paradebeispiel.
Leonardo schreibt selbst über die Perspektive des Abendmahls:
Wenn man ganz nahe vor dem Abendmahl steht, der Christusfigur gegenüber, erscheinen die seitlichen Teile zwangsläufig verkleinert im Verhältnis zur Mitte des Freskos, die einem näher ist. Wenn, wie wir gesehen haben, die traditionelle -flache- Perspektive die äußersten Seiten des Bildes über Gebühr vergrößert darstellt, so werden sie dafür vom Auge des Betrachters verkleinert, sobald es sich in der Mittelachse befindet; und es lässt sich unschwer zeigen, dass diese beiden Verzerrungen einander aufheben, gesetzt den Fall der Betrachter befindet sich genau an der Spitze der Sichtpyramide, deren Schnitt das Gemälde bilden soll, was der Dritten der vorhin angeführten Voraussetzungen entspricht. In allen anderen Fällen geschieht es, dass die Verzerrungen der flachen Perspektive und die Verzerrungen, welche die kugelförmige, (Leonardos) natürliche Perspektive der wahrgenommenen gemalten Oberfläche aufzwingt, sich summieren oder einander überlagern, anstatt sich aufzuheben; und das Bild erscheint somit -monströs-."[7]
Der Leipziger Kunsthistoriker Frank Zöllner schreibt:
Wie schon die Florentiner Künstler vor ihm, stellt Leonardo das letzte Abendmahl des Herrn in einem nach Regeln der Zentralperspektive konstruierten bühnenartigen Raum dar.[8]
Versuchsaufbau in der Wiener Minoritenkirche (Abendmahlgröße = Originalgröße)
Es handelt sich bei der im Abendmahl angewendeten Perspektive um eine Zentralperspektive, wie wir sie heute noch verwenden. Wie der Name bereits andeutet, definiert sich diese Abbildungsart einer dreidimensionalen Welt auf eine Fläche durch das Vorhandensein eines Projektionszentrums, auch Augpunkt genannt. Bei dem Augpunkt handelt es sich um den Standpunkt des Betrachters. Dieser Augpunkt befindet sich beim Abendmahl nachweislich in der Schläfe der Christusfigur (das ist bei den letzten Restaurierungsarbeiten festgestellt worden – man hat das Loch eines Nagels gefunden[9]), d.h. das von Leonardo da Vinci festgelegte Zentrum des Bildes ist die Schläfe der Christusfigur und gleichzeitig der Punkt, in dem sich alle (perspektivischen) Strahlen treffen. Da Vinci hat die Strahlen mittels eines Nagels und gespannter Schnüre ermittelt.
Zur Perspektive des Abendmahls gab es anlässlich einer Ausstellung in der Wiener Minoritenkirche einen Versuchsaufbau, der belegte, dass die Perspektive des Abendmahls eine Zentralperspektive ist, bei der sich der Augpunkt auf Höhe der Schläfe der Christusfigur befindet. Um das zu beweisen, wurde eine Treppe installiert, die es dem Betrachter ermöglichte, diesen Betrachtungspunkt einzunehmen. Der genaue Abstand des Betrachters wurde von David Sayn durch ein Computermodell errechnet.[10]
Rezeption[Bearbeiten]
Während die zentrale Gestalt Jesu nie in Frage gestellt wurde, fand die Darstellung der Jünger nicht immer Bewunderung. Im Jahr 1916 entrüstete sich der Kunsthistoriker Bernard Berenson:
Was ist das aber für ein Haufen von aufgeregten, gestikulierenden, vorlauten Menschen, deren Gesichter alles andere als angenehm zu empfinden sind. (...) Die sind mir keine gute Gesellschaft![11]
Das Gemälde in der Modernen Kunst[Bearbeiten]
Darstellung im Salzbergwerk Wieliczka, (Polen)
Andy Warhols letzte großformatige Arbeit sollte die Auseinandersetzung mit Leonardo da Vincis Abendmahl werden. Das Gemälde entstand für die neuerstellten Ausstellungsräume der Bank Credito Valtellinese, unmittelbar gegenüber der Heimstatt des Originals des Abendmahls in der Dominikanerkirche Santa Maria delle Grazie in Mailand. Die Bank – der Palast und Tempel des Kapitals – verbindet sich geschickt mit der religiösen Ikone und konterkariert sie zugleich. Warhol aber neutralisierte die dem Auftrag inneliegende Nobilitierung des Kapitals. Er machte sich nicht zu einem schnöden Lieferanten eines Dekors. Er beschäftigte sich nicht mit dem Original, sondern legte das Foto einer billigen Reproduktion des Originalgemäldes von Leonardo zugrunde, die er zusammen mit einer Gipsplastik in einem Ramschladen in Little Italy fand. Daraus entstand ein riesiger Gemäldezyklus, über 100 meist traditionell mit dem Pinsel gemalter Bilder, teilweise über 4 x 10 Meter groß. Er wählte aber für die Ausstellung nicht die handgemalten Arbeiten aus, sondern insgesamt 22 im Siebdruck umgesetzte druckgraphische Versionen.[12]
Verfremdungen in der Werbung und der Kunst[Bearbeiten]
Auf Grund seines hohen Bekanntheitsgrades gibt es zahlreiche Parodien und Verfremdungen des Abendmahls:[13]
1993 erschien ein Werbemotiv der Modemarke Otto Kern, das das Abendmahl zu Werbezwecken nutzte und in Deutschland Kontroversen auslöste: Statt der Jünger saßen barbusige Models um einen Jesus-Darsteller. Das Plakat wurde vom deutschen Werberat gerügt und musste zurückgezogen werden. Das spätere Motiv, in dem 12 Männer um eine Jesus-Darstellerin formiert waren, blieb dagegen weitgehend unbeachtet.[14]
Das französische Modehaus Girbaud warb Ende April 2005 in Frankreich mit einer Anzeige, welche auf dem Abendmahl beruhte. Zu sehen waren zwölf weibliche Models, von denen eine offensichtlich Christus darstellte. Besonders kritisiert wurde jedoch der nackte Rücken des einzig männlichen Apostel-Darstellers, weshalb das Modehaus durch die katholische Kirche wegen Blasphemie verklagt wurde. Am 10. März gab Richter Jean-Claude Magendie dieser Recht und ordnete an, die Plakate in ganz Frankreich binnen drei Tagen zu entfernen. Die Girbauds taten kund, es sei niemals ihre Absicht gewesen, die Gefühle von jemandem zu verletzen.[15]
Yo Mama's Last Supper der US-amerikanischen Künstlerin Renée Cox wurde im Jahr 2001 im Rahmen einer Ausstellung von 94 ,,Schwarzen Fotografen" im Brooklyn Museum ausgestellt und löste eine lebhafte Auseinandersetzung mit dem ehemaligen New Yorker Bürgermeister Rudy Giuliani aus. Jesus ist auf diesem Bild weiblich, schwarz und nackt.[16]
Eine französische Werbung für den VW-Golf zeigte unter dem Motto ,,Freuen wir uns, Freunde, denn der neue Volkswagen ist geboren" Jünger hinter einer langen Tafel, in Posen, die an die der Figuren in da Vincis Abendmahl erinnern.
In Robert Altmans Filmkomödie M*A*S*H wird die Bildkomposition des Abendmahls in einer Szene nachempfunden, in der der Zahnarzt des Lazaretts (genannt: der schmerzlose Bohrer) seinen Abschied feiert, bevor er sich aus Gründen sexueller Unzulänglichkeiten umbringen will. Dabei nimmt er selbst die Rolle Jesu ein, während seine Kollegen die Posen der Jünger einnehmen.
In dem Teil Imperium Romanum des Episodenfilms Mel Brooks – Die verrückte Geschichte der Welt bedient der Aushilfskellner Comicus (Mel Brooks) Jesus und die Jünger, die wie auf Leonardos Bild gruppiert sind. Leonardo da Vinci ist vor Ort und will mit dem Gemälde des letzten Abendmahls beginnen und ruft alle zur Ordnung. Die Gesellschaft gruppiert sich wie auf dem Gemälde. Comicus stellt sich mit einem silbernen Tablett hinter Jesus, welches letztendlich den Heiligenschein auf Leonardos Bild darstellt.
In der 11. Staffel der satirischen US-Fernsehserie South Park wird das Gemälde als Beweis dafür verwendet, dass Petrus ein Hase gewesen sei und – nach Jesu Wille – alle zukünftigen Päpste Hasen sein sollten.
In der Werbekampagne für die US-Serie Battlestar Galactica wird die 4. Staffel mit einem Bild beworben, in dem die Darsteller das Gemälde nachstellen.
In dem Film Biker Boyz zeigt das Gemälde die Mitglieder des Clubs.
In seinem Film Viridiana arrangiert Luis Bunuel die Szene eines Fressgelages nach dem Muster von Leonardos Abendmahl.[17]
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Leonhard Salleck: Der Schlüssel: Geheime Botschaften in Leonardo da Vincis Abendmahl. Kastner, 2004, ISBN 3-937082-11-5.
Georg Eichholz: Das Abendmahl Leonardo da Vincis: Eine systematische Bildmonographie. scaneg, 1998, ISBN 978-3-89235-222-8.
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Manfred Wundram: Die berühmtesten Gemälde der Welt. Imprimatur Druck- und Verlagsgesellschaft, Bergisch-Gladbach 1976
Belletristik[Bearbeiten]
Leo Perutz: Der Judas des Leonardo. Deutscher Taschenbuch Verlag, München 2005, ISBN 3-423-13304-X.
Javier Sierra: Das geheime Abendmahl (Historischer Roman) Blanvalet Verlag, ISBN 978-3-442-36500-5.
Weblinks[Bearbeiten]
Commons: Last Supper by Leonardo da Vinci – Sammlung von Bildern, Videos und Audiodateien
Leonardo da Vinci – Das Letzte Abendmahl (zoombar, 16 Gigapixel, nach kostenloser Registrierung)
Leonardo da Vinci – Bilder und Zeichnungen
Besichtigung und Hinweise zur Reservierung – milano24ore
Besichtigung des Gemäldes (ital.)
Die Restaurierung des Gemäldes (www.das-letzte-abendmahl.de (http://www.das-letzte-abendmahl.de))
Mimik und Gestik der zwölf Apostel (www.das-letzte-abendmahl.de (http://www.das-letzte-abendmahl.de))
Das Abendmahl (Leonardo da Vinci). In: Zeno.org.
Einzelnachweise[Bearbeiten]
↑ 460×880 cm nach Prof. Frank Zöllner
↑ http://www.cenacolovinciano.net (http://www.cenacolovinciano.net)
↑ a b Ullmann: Leonardo da Vinci
↑ Wassermann: Leonardo da Vinci
↑ Bedini: Leonardo. Forscher, Künstler, Magier
↑ (Leonardo da Vinci, Codex Madrid.II, 15 v. – Die Perspektive bei den Wandmalereien)
↑ A. Chastel, Leonardo da Vinci: Sämtliche Gemälde und die Schriften zur Malerei. ISBN 3-88814-286-5
↑ Zöllner: Leonardo da Vinci
↑ Peter O. Chotjewitz: Alles über Leonardo aus Vinci. Hamburg, 2004
↑ David Sayn, Christoph Rahofer: Leonardo da Vinci, Mensch – Künstler – Genie. (Versuchsaufbau in der Wiener Minoritenkirche 2006)
↑ Wetzel: Reclams Buch der Kunst
↑ Carla Schulz-Hoffmann: Eigen-sinnige Katholiken Andy Warhol und die Religion Last Supper-Zyklus. Das provokative Vermächtnis eines Künstlers. In: zur debatte. Nr. 01/2008
↑ Giraffen statt Menschen
↑ Bilderstreit und Kulturverlust
↑ Neuinterpretationen von Leonardo da Vincis Abendmahl
↑ Yo Mama's Last Supper, Abb.
↑ Filmstill
Ausklappen
UNESCO-Welterbe in Italien
Ausklappen
Gemälde von Leonardo da Vinci
Numerating each from left to right 1 to 13:
Which numbers are showing us females ?
body-language !
(Mona) Lisa(?) und " Venus/"James"" ?
Morgenstern Abendstern
unterliegen keinem Zeitdruck
nur ein "kleinlicher" Mann
und:
kein "normaler"Mann beruehrt so einen Mann ,sondern so wird nur eine Frau gestreichelt und so ,wie man es sieht,reagiert nur eine Frau
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AJudas_Peter_John_Last_supper_copy.jpg (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AJudas_Peter_John_Last_supper_copy.jpg)
Sincerely
OCL
p.s.: und das mit baertigen Apostelln: der Mann von Welt konnte sich den Barbierservice leisten,nur dann eben ab den Kreuzfahrerzuegen ,um sich von den Saraszenen zu unterscheiden,begannen die europeischen Allierten sich Baerte wachsen zu lassen,
da zwischen beiden Seiten sonst nicht zwischen Frund ? Feind ? unterschieden werden konnte :
dieser Einfluss ging dann in die Kunst ein,bis hin zu irgeneinem Uncle Sam
Wow lancaIV ,you certainly do post a lot!I agree with you that the good old USA is pretty much a loose cannon in the middle east.After all the USA has the most WMD in the world and it is the only nation to use nuclear weapons against another.I do feel that we(the USA) will take over the saudi oil fields by 2050.I am not in the military, just a civilian.I do not want to say bad things about our foreign policy But we should always be open that there may be other ways to ensure our oil supplies without running over other countries.We should first realize that peak oil production has already occurred and use what resources we have left to go into renewables.Wind and solar is growing by leaps and bounds now.But more investment should occur.
Lee,I have come up with a new free energy design.I feel it is horribly inefficent.But I think I can get DC out of static electricity to which there is no end.Since the earth rotates on its axis and the wind blows everywhere on earth.I have done away with an induction coil which many designs have included.So no long copper wires are needed except for a 200 foot length of insulated wire which would act as a capacitor when the wind blows over it.
When the wire is charged up it then discharges into a gas filled curly Q light bulb at whatever voltage it will discharge at.One end of the 200 feet wire is attached to the light bulb(glass surface) and a ground wire is attached to the light bulb(metal base).A solar cell or solar panel is placed near the light bulb so when it flashes it will generate DC which can be fed into a battery.triffid
Thus with this new design an induction coil would not be needed as I have seen them in other designs plus a dead light bulb(just needs to be gas filled) would work too.Maybe time to start a new thread if I build it?triffid
The light bulb can be big or small.
The lightball can be big or small :
www.n-tv.de (http://www.n-tv.de) 17.11.2013
Dem Leben entfremdet Wenn das Mitgefühl abhanden kommt (08:43)
feeling
a. f-armacia b.ph(i)-armacia Pi and PHI(?) written and spoken
e/e= ? immanent/imanent Relation ? auf die Zahl reduziert
l'ugar h'ogar a,e,i,o,u è o burro que es tu
ing = do'ing
H'ieling H'ealing ainda es burro ?
Koerper+Geist+Seele:Ver-/Um-stand compact
Bye-bye
OCL
Cascais [Manuel Sommer,from our neighbour family, his little brother spoke:
Ka-kai (german style)
1972/1973 ? birthday present single:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqNwb1I0Ii4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqNwb1I0Ii4)
http://lyricstranslate.com/de/Paco-Paco-Taka-takata-lyrics.html (http://lyricstranslate.com/de/Paco-Paco-Taka-takata-lyrics.html)
.......with or without you...... consonants and vocals :
no common dictation laws world wide (but wrong dictations)
but a common sense to understand each other probably also by hands and feets or images
or if not more help : simply ::) : :) :) :) and wait for :o :( :D ;) : :) :) :) response
Die Welt - online 17.11.2013
No choice and no change ?
Machine explodes on landing - all inmates dead In an attempt to land in Kazan, a Russian Boeing 737 exploded. Among the 50 victims is also the son of the President of Tatarstan. About the cause is still puzzled.
One choice !
http://gigadron.com/
Sincerely
OCL
Quote from: triffid on November 16, 2013, 08:21:27 PM
Thus with this new design an induction coil would not be needed as I have seen them in other designs plus a dead light bulb(just needs to be gas filled) would work too.Maybe time to start a new thread if I build it?triffid
The light bulb can be big or small.
triffid...
The 200' wire will generate 3,000 to 4,000 volts VAC if it isn't grounded and it's near 50/60 Hz municipal power mains somewhere. That much voltage will bother your light bulb unless you step down the voltage with a transformer and then use a Zener diode, or a string of them, for the necessary voltage, as a spark gap?
Time's up on this computer.
--Lee
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Panorama/d/3849972/bill-gates-will-nicht-mehr-superreich-sein.html (http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Panorama/d/3849972/bill-gates-will-nicht-mehr-superreich-sein.html)
Somebody wants to become less rich (like Warren Buffett et al.):
probably for the Admin. to get donations for a "open source 4D modell Lab"?
Sincerely
OCL
p.s.: I heared that somebody with a similar name came to Porto to become an electric-motor/generator demonstrated but I think only rumor from an Ex-SBG banker who also spoke about an
Al Gore,Al Fayed(I thought that he would be an Egyptian but he is also from Maroc,the senior,....)
Quote from: triffid on November 16, 2013, 08:16:55 PM
Lee,I have come up with a new free energy design.I feel it is horribly inefficent.But I think I can get DC out of static electricity to which there is no end.Since the earth rotates on its axis and the wind blows everywhere on earth.I have done away with an induction coil which many designs have included.So no long copper wires are needed except for a 200 foot length of insulated wire which would act as a capacitor when the wind blows over it.
When the wire is charged up it then discharges into a gas filled curly Q light bulb at whatever voltage it will discharge at.One end of the 200 feet wire is attached to the light bulb(glass surface) and a ground wire is attached to the light bulb(metal base).A solar cell or solar panel is placed near the light bulb so when it flashes it will generate DC which can be fed into a battery.triffid
triffid...
I've thought about your idea, and I like the basic concept, but there are a concern or two in my mind:
The static charge might be collected with a 2,000 VDC - 5,000 VDC non-polarized capacitor, charged to part of its capacity and then discharged with a spark gap arrangement?
Wire a high value resistor across the capacitor positive(?) terminal for a gradual bleed-off of voltage and an average resulting increase in brightness over time from your light source?
Okay, you might not need a transformer, but then, a very long wire going to a diode---to a battery---is
NOT OU, no matter what. The beauty of this idea is that it's simple, easy to understand, cheap, and should work.
Even as well as my Don Smith-center-tower-powered-by-static-electricity design and IT starts with a long wire. I just place several more coils around it with electromagnetically-coupled tesla pancake coils at their bases to affect a reverse-engineered Tesla coil that charges batteries.
Here's the 'Web address:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2267.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2267.0)
--Lee
P.S. There's this: The Gov't can't stop printing money or Quantitative Easing! Here's why...
http://pixtel.fetchback.com/timeout.html (http://pixtel.fetchback.com/timeout.html) and... https://platform.twitter.com/widgets/hub.html (https://platform.twitter.com/widgets/hub.html) P.P.S. A long, burned-out fluorescent rod lamp might work, since it's got a gas in it that can be ionized with enough power---voltage and current.
"The ECB is in a dilemma,"
Fischer Malta
U.S. Nobel laureate Thomas Sargent sees deflation no problem refers to the difficulty and operate a central bank of the whole of the euro-zone monetary policy.
U.S. economist and Nobel laureate Thomas Sargent sees no problem in a deflation What:. Laif
Business Week: Professor Sargent, inflation in the euro-zone have recently dropped to 0.7 percent, after the ECB cut interest rates immediately. Europe threatens deflation?
Thomas Sargent: You should draw from the decline of the inflation rate in the euro zone no wrong conclusions. There are some countries where prices fall, in others they increase contrast. In the countries with declining prices crisis countries is how it is Greece. They must make their price competitiveness, they have lost in the past few years, again. The Gera requires Falling or rising productivity. As a result, unit labor costs are declining, and the company may cut prices. This is not a dangerous deflation, but part of the necessary correction so that these countries are internationally competitive again.
The person
Thomas Sargent
The interest rate of the ECB reaction was exaggerated aussi?
The ECB is in a dilemma because it is not clear in which direction the Marches monetary union. Financial crises are often associated with revolutionary upheavals in the design of institutional and economic societies. Developed the back of the Euro-Community Maastricht Union began sovereign states and solid Housework, or be centralizing the debt and the fiscal communitised skills? As long as this question is not resolved, the major economic and political divisions of the euro-countries of the ECB will make it difficult to conduct an adaquate to monetary policy for the entire currency union.
Central banks in the United States and Japan began trying to go power to prevent that prices fall across the board. What's so bad year deflation?
Historically, there is no reason to be afraid of deflation. The United States in the second half of the 19th Century had deflation for decades without this has led to economic crises. On the contrary: In this period the per capita income grew strongly. Economy and that which is grown in Japan over the past few years not more, is not the result about deflation, but rather the result of excessive regulation and unfavorable demographics. In addition, we all benefit when the technological progress lowers the prices, such as computers. Milton Friedman once said the best thing would be to control the money supply so that prices fall permanently. The increased purchasing power of money then it powers a sought Vermögensgut camera and the simple people benefit.
Neil Irwin, "It is time for a year of German ECB Top"
What Marcel Stahn for Business Week
Why the central banks strive inflation then one of about two per cent year?
There is a quip that is the job of central banks is to make bad debt good debt. This is the means inflation. Inflation is a major redistribution machine, the real burden of debt in favor of the borrowers lowers and devalues the assets creditors. This will benefit the governments with high debt.
more articles
Now ECB President Mario Draghi gambles correctly
Why the risk of falling
the specter of deflation we (still) need not fear
Neil "It's time for one of the
German ECB year-tip "
How can you prevent that talk and act as a central agency of government redistribution?
Until the First World War, has been the gold standard to prevent governments and their central banks unlimited money printing. During this time, the prices have fluctuated While, but that has compensated over the years. As the countries then abandoned the gold standard, central banks have printed money without restraint, and the prices are through the roof. Paper money standard, which has become established after the Second World War was marked by hope, you konne politically independent central banks using a kind of artificial gold standard to establish and control the money supply so that the price level remains stable. But this has proved to be wishful thinking. Instead of controlling the money supply independent of technocratic and political influences, the financier of their governments to the central banks have become.
So it would be best to adopt the gold standard again?
I would not necessarily say that it would be the best solution, but it would not be foolish.
Reality: the "golden bank-rule" defines credit as an up to 900% inflation-instrument(1+9 Units)
(Factor 10X) so there is at first an inflation curve up ( +900%=10Units) than an inflation curve down(-90%=1 Unit) to reach the beginning =100%= 1
the financial sector " idea" : time tax
cliental "Massetraegheitsmoment" abusing ( before fast internet : fast action and re-action)
organized "willkuerlicher" Bankbetrug : Buergerliche Gesetzes Buch : Freiheitsstrafe zu Arbeitslager-Kondition
hierbei zu beachten: Jurisdikative + Exekutive + Legislative mit involviert
und BIZ+Worldbank*EZB und andere internationale Finanzinstitutionen EZB und I.G.Farben-Haus: zu offensichtlich !
MEDIA ? Universitas-Universitaeten und FHs'?Per Finanzgesetz,ausgehend von der deutschen Grundgesetz-Verfassung, ist die Beleihung von Grund ) und Arbeit(menschliche Werktaetigkeit) nicht= 0% statthaft, Titel nur auf den Nominalwert (Nicht Marktkurs ) inklusive der bekannten Risikoabschlaege (siehe Vesteigerungstermin-Limitierungen) rechtswuerdig !
Gegenwiderhandlungen fuehren zu "nichtiger Vertragsgestaltung" = ungueltig !
Essentials repeating:
When the prices will going down 90% there is not a deflation-but an inflation decrease !
Normal behaviour exposition during: the Winter-/Sommer-Schluss-Verkauf !
Marge decrease !
Sincerely
OCL
p.s.: nun traegt die Nachkriegsgeneration ein Kainsmal ; dieses mal keine bzw. wenige Juden,sondern Rom-Katholiken und Protestanten und andere hervorgegangene Sektionen
Machen wir einen auf Wigald Boning(Die Doofen) : Ich pfeif auf Euch ! (und viele pfeifen mit !)
" Gott zur Ehr,der Jugend zur Lehr " Gymnasium Northeim/Harz
Change =
http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fwirtschaft%2FImmobilienpreise-sind-ausser-Kontrolle-article11744411.html
by cash-market price = market-price -credit-part = real market value
examples credit-crunch= independence
U.S.market 89/90/91 US/Japan economic war
Iberica 90/91/92 Soros Quantum-funds british Pound/ECU attack consequence
Quote from: NWO1968 on November 18, 2013, 06:52:53 AM
Please check again both links because do not work. :'(
Alright, you're correct. All I can say is that I copied them exactly from the browser address line on the original site to a sheet of paper and then to Overunity.com's edit screen.
I have an answer in mind and the short answer is that a hacker is farting around with me and this sort of thing has bee going on for a long time. Decades, really. Oh, I have a security clearance and I'm watched all the time. There's that, too.
I can try someting later, I guess.
AND, Im not kidding about the security clearance, either. --Lee
Pension plans-IRAS etc etc etc. built into the cost of the product you are purchasing with inome they are taxing again.
Gestern durfte ich mal wieder Chauffeur spielen,meine Mutter mit Beipack Schwester zum Hospial Santo Antonio in Porto/PT hinbringen.
Bei der Rueckfahrt,von der Pracza[z~ (Jo-)Ze-cedilhe(do Norte) like Jozip/Matozinhos/Czecho] Galiza ,ueber die Av.Julio Diniz war dann an der Ampel an der
Rotunda Boavista/Pracza Mouzinho d'Albuqerque halt,Rotlicht.
Dabei schaute ich vor mir die Saeule im Mittelpunkt dieses Platzes an,welche als Denkmal ueber einen Sieg dort errichtet worden war !
Aber es ist eben wie die Sichtweise "kannibalische Galaxien" und "koppulierende Galaxien":
das Abbild koennte auch fuer die Entstehung einer fabelhaften Beziehung herhalten,
so entstand der GREIF , Herrscher ueber Himmel und Erde
obzoen offengestellt in der INVICTA !
Tschau,vale bene
OCL
p.s.:
http://www.pz-news.de/news_artikel,-Woelfin-im-Zoo-von-Barcelona-von-eigenen-Jungen-zerrissen-_arid,453282.html (http://www.pz-news.de/news_artikel,-Woelfin-im-Zoo-von-Barcelona-von-eigenen-Jungen-zerrissen-_arid,453282.html)
Konrad Lorenz+Charles Darwin+C.C.Jung+Sigmund Freud : Mimikry,aus Spiel wird Ernst
begreifen und BE-GREIF-EN ,die Natur
animus,animal/-is,bestia/-lis
The ONLY truth about economy:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/walmarts-employee-food-drive-reveals-120012647.html
Quote from: pavshinAN on November 19, 2013, 12:34:23 AM
Pension plans-IRAS etc etc etc. built into the cost of the product you are purchasing with inome they are taxing again.
Very good, pavishinAN. And people still can't make ends meet. Case in point...
http://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-employee-food-drive-2013-11 (http://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-employee-food-drive-2013-11)
Right. So, everyone: Late word is from the Midwest, at least this: People are slowing their spending in general, and I imagine that goes for everywhere else in the country. No wonder the Walmart employee held a food drive.
Worst of all, when I joined the USAF in 1969, the Gov't salary for the lowest pay grades of enlisted troops was SO LOW--- "
How low was it?" ---It was so low that married troops on 'separate rations', with even still more money to spend from having a family and being paid more for the fact, were nevertheless having to sign up for Welfare assistance to be able to put enough food on the table.
That pretty blasted BAD!
--Lee
1993 Spiegel Spezial DIE ERDE 2000
page 32 EUROPA-VISION DER REGIONEN
DAS HEINEKEN-MODELL
2013 Wikipedia http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurotopia (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurotopia)
page 33 Wie einfach waren die Verhaeltnisse in den alten Kerkern
Jean Gabin : Im Kittchen ist noch ein Zimmer frei (?/!)
Sincerely
OCL
Lee,And in 1980 I knew graduate students on food stamps at the university of arkansas.My brother many times would cause a gas filled bulb to flash just getting up off his couch.Gain a static charge in doing so and discharge thru a light bulb to a ground.So my design would catch less than 10% of the energy in the flash at this point due to the limited effs of solar cells.Today I heard on tv that 10% of all senior citizens live with their kids.Sometimes that SS check is so stable that the kids can depend on it.
i do think that 2000-3000 volts might be generated when my brother gets up off of his couch.I do think a solar cell would be "quick enough" to catch some of the energy.Also a wheel could be used to generate static charges,not just a 200 foot wire.triffid
It seems that Sears is in trouble http://www.businessinsider.com/signs-sears-is-edging-closer-to-death-2013-10 (http://www.businessinsider.com/signs-sears-is-edging-closer-to-death-2013-10)
I have realized that there are vast deposits of natural gas on mars put there by microbes from earth that in the past found mars to be a warmer and wetter place.When the huge meteorite that wiped out the dinosaurs hit the earth 65 million years ago.It sent earth bacteria into orbit and over long periods of time found its way to a warmer and wetter mars than what we have today.Whatever bacteria survived the heat of impact and then the cold of space found mars to be a fertile place 65 million years ago.Of course there were earlier impacts.My opinion of course.Remember we still get rocks from mars hitting the earth every year.The process goes both ways sometimes.Its got to! triffid
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/marsmethane.html (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/marsmethane.html)
http://www.amazon.ca/Mars-A-Warmer-Wetter-Planet/dp/1852335688 (http://www.amazon.ca/Mars-A-Warmer-Wetter-Planet/dp/1852335688)
Long believed to have been cold, dead and dry for aeons, there is now striking new proof that not only was Mars a relatively warm and wet place in geologically recent times, but that even today there are vast reserves of water frozen beneath the planet¹s surface. As well as casting fascinating new insights into Mars¹ past, this discovery is also forcing a complete rethink about the mechanisms of global planetary change.
What does the drastic turn of events on Mars mean for Earth¹s climate system?
Could life have thrived on Mars very recently, and might it survive even today?
Will humans be able to live off the natural resources that Martian hydrogeology now seems to offer?
We observed and mapped multiple plumes of methane on Mars, one of which released about 19,000 metric tons of methane," said Dr. Geronimo Villanueva of the Catholic University of America, Washington, D.C. Villanueva is stationed at NASA Goddard and is co-author of the paper. "The plumes were emitted during the warmer seasons -- spring and summer -- perhaps because the permafrost blocking cracks and fissures vaporized, allowing methane to seep into the Martian air. Curiously, some plumes had water vapor while others did not," said Villanueva.
One plume released about 19,000 metric tons of methane," said Dr. Geronimo Villanueva of the Catholic University of America,
I do not believe any plants or animals were ejected into orbit and survived a trip to mars but I do believe microbes could do it!triffid
They(bacterial spores) might be found in layers of rocks on the moon.So Earth microbes might have spread all over the solar system by now.
http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2013/11/11/veterans-hiring-unemployment/?iid=obnetwork (http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2013/11/11/veterans-hiring-unemployment/?iid=obnetwork)
Seems that vets have a 10 percent unemployment rate where as the general public is at 8 percent.
First are the assumptions and stereotypes about members of the military that make some employers reluctant to hire them. About one in three employers consider post-traumatic stress disorder to be an impediment to hiring a veteran, according to a survey report by the Society for Human Resource Management.
MORE: B-school remorse: When the degree is just not worth it (http://management.fortune.cnn.com/2013/11/08/mba-remorse-business-school/?iid=SF_F_River)
"There's stigma attached to PTSD and traumatic brain injury and other hidden disabilities that people may assume soldiers have when they're leaving the military," says Nancy B. Adams, branch chief at the U.S. Army Warrior Transition Command. "They may always have that at the back of their mind."
In fact, 7% of post-9/11 veterans are estimated to be experiencing PTSD, according to the U.S. Army. Adams notes that such trauma may be addressed through simple steps such as rearranging a desk chair to face the door. The average cost of accommodating an injured veteran is only $500, she says.
Mr. LaRouche gets to the core of the current dismal situation the nation faces with the choice of either of the two leading
You forgot to hail hitler!Shame on you!
De "AVE CAESAR ....." somebody thought to remake "Heil /AVE H........"
but without to read "Mein K(r)ampf"
Salute II
OCWL
Quote from: NWO1968 on November 25, 2013, 04:09:31 PM
Apparently they were not sufficiently Aryan and no one knew this angle to examine personality traits before adopting the service.
8)
I'm "Aryan, because I'm German. I'm Scandinavian as well; they're Northern European Teutonic-derived Aryans, too. Did you know there are gay men and lesbians in Germany? They're ethnic Aryans, too.
And you stand in judgement on them because you think they're so different from you, that they're to be despised because of it? AND YOU live in Great Britain. They're there, as well. You're a minority and I think if people there knew what you were in truth, you might have to run for your life to escape a 'lynch mob'.
And your arrogance puts you above them all, as a double standard, because of it? Okay, READ THIS: I'm an USAF, transgendered, transexual Veteran. I had to put up with the likes of judgmental S.O.B.'s like you in the late 60's, but I survived it. I'M NOT ASHAMED FOR THE WAY I WAS BORN. Oh, BTW, the famous Lady Gaga is the same way, too.
See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTrb1pCmEwc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i23qGLw3H_Y (1:14 to 1:15 of this clip)
Now look, you believe in Satan, your One, God/Devil? Did he make me the way I am? He deserves to be spat upon for being what he is, if he did make me transgendered. I didn't ask for this. It just happened. I'll accept it and embrace it because I have to, and to
spite schmucks like you.
You and your political ilk don't deserve to chortle at my plight or
my being born different, just like Lady Gaga. I hope the thought of my being a woman inside makes you uncomfortable.--Lee
BTW the_big_m_in_ok,Lady Gaga is so gaga cause her "normal life and look" would no man make gaga ;D none erotic
It is only a show-girl :-[
Best wishes to you and her ::)
OCWL
uhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAlCqbod9Qc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAlCqbod9Qc)
The EU-Finance-Future:
thinking based by the german constitution (something beside Ex-Praeses R. v.Weizsaecker (Anverwandter Carl : eherne Zinsgesetz) and
Ex-Constitution-judgeman Roman Herzog : beider Rechtsbruch=Kaptalverbrechen anhaengig, da Rechtsbeugung)
Following the anwsers from the european/spanish Kommission-and Parliament member(-s) there is in plan a hair-cut/Rasenmaeher-Prinzip for the overdept-estates,including the division to an EZB-bad- and EZB-good Bank.
Later,as the estate in Luxemburg and C.orporatione H.elveticae and B.I.Z. as "half-"estate/private Bank-institution ,the constitution from the new E.Z.B. as same .
I knew the competence from the Mr.Schaeuble as lawyer-ridicoulos- and as finance minister for the Bundesrepublik Deutschland-
as same to evaluate .
Somebody who works with shadow-budgets,forgtting that a bala-duer,financed also by a C.I.A.-shadow-budget(Rote Brigaden,R.Z. and RoteArmeeFraktion) ,destroyed his normal corporal life,today he vulgar denominated : "ein Krueppel".
Der werthe Herr sollte wissen,dass er als Mitglied der Bundesverwaltung unter staendiger Kotrolle steht,inklusive Hergang,rueckgehend in Stuttgarter Sozietaetszeiten. (Ein Grossfamilienmitglied wirkte bei "Stuttgart 21" telegen mit,nebst einem Herrn H.Geissler (dessen berufliche Gewissensentscheidung-aehnlich einem Herrn Nuhr- lebensecht nachvollziehbar ist :-* :-[ ::) ),"Churchhill/Kerbsche Berg " kommt dessen Name nahe ,von einer Sozietaet ohne Kasko ,aber...... .
Wir sind als Generation einiges gewohnt,so wuerde ein Zustand in Zukunft nicht ueberraschen,sollte einer deutschen Finanzinstitution ein Suffix beigefuegt werden : "Deutsche Bank i. L." , was der deutschen Verfassung Gerechtigkeit erfolgen laesst.
Pro oder contra dem Verfasssungsauftrag: bundes-und landes-deutsche Parlamentarier ?
Eine Artikel 102 Anfrage,zeitgleich an Verfassungsrichter-und -innen gestellt,die Entscheidung .
Wann zuletzt den BGB zu Haenden gehabt ,deutscher Staats-/Wahl-Buerger?
Und an die Exekutive,das Beamtentum.
Die Hoehe und Anerkennung der Pension(-en) und Diaeten und Reformen werden davon abhaengen.
Erwartungsgerecht
OCWL
p.s.: es gibt einige Vorgaenge der Vergangenheit,welche einer juristischen Verfallsfrist unterliegen,aber ein Prozess kann trotzdem erfolgen, zur Aechtung dieser Personen und Familiennamen,als auch den unschuldigen Familienmitgliedern das Scheidungsrechtargument zu ermitteln.
National wie international ( C.I.A.-Archive)
Guess Im hooked on mars.Im thinking about how easy it will be to stay warm on mars with a gas stove heating up your igloo or whatever you stay in.Im thinking too on how much more easy it will be to grow a colony on mars now.The methane has already been detected no matter how it got there.Microbes or geological chemistry.Methane is methane.triffid
At the thanksgiving dinner I went to we talked about the growth of wind energy in the USA.It was said too that most of the wind turbines that he had seen are made in Japan.I was talking to a over the road truck driver.So wind energy is growing in the USA and we only have a small part in it.Too bad we are unable to make our own wind turbines.triffid
Quote from: lancaIV on November 30, 2013, 10:17:11 PM
BTW the_big_m_in_ok,Lady Gaga is so gaga cause her "normal life and look" would no man make gaga ;D none erotic
It is only a show-girl :-[
Best wishes to you and her ::)
OCWL
No, no, no. I'm very confident some men do think she's sexy, the same way gay men imitated, and some may still do it, the actress from the 30-s and 40's who said,
"Come on up and see me sometime." (Mae West.)
She herself, Lady Gaga, is nothing special-looking in real life, I agree. Her maiden surname is Germanotta, so she's significantly Italian, and I think she does look at least a little Italian. She's also rich and famous, and her music has many fans worldwide. Under the dress, she's not necessarily all woman---and I admire her greatly for it. People now know what she is, and don't throw rocks at her for it, either.
Some people can't stand to be around me, but at least you and I can write resaonable discourse on this site and get alone well.
Oh, BTW, I sing karaoke, and I think I'm fairly good at it, but not as good as her. Yet.
Thanks for the 'vote of confidence.'
--Lee
Let us hope that Madonnas daughter will not become "Mistress Gaga" ;)
Tschau
OCWL
Quote from: lancaIV on December 03, 2013, 04:12:18 AM
Let us hope that Madonnas daughter will not become "Mistress Gaga" ;)
Tschau
OCWL
Well, her daughter can grow up and be whatever she wants to be. I say,
"More power to her." Both of them, actually.
Oh, BTW, staying on topic, I did mention in a previous post that a thread correspondent in Missouri told me that people are spending less money there. Now, I can report that people are doing the same thing here in San Francisco. There's no end to this but eventual economic collapse, as I predicted. AND, probable civil unrest, as well as possible martial law for the streets and a nightly curfew.
--Lee
Hello,
credit -(minus) Mindest-reserve= In-flation
(in-flationare= Auf-Blasung z.B. Ballon mit Luftpumpe)
so as consequence up to 95% of the numeric prices and wages(-prices) worldwide will going down :
if credit-market related .
It is not a crash it is "normality is coming back",re-flationare .
Controlled" Air out " from the " non capital-saved credit economy ballon"
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.: the_big_m_in_ok : I say, "More power to her." Both of them, actually.
I look at this
https://www.google.pt/search?q=madonna+daughter&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ZRKfUv-XGabP0QWS4IGQAg&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1329&bih=525#facrc=0%3Bmadonna%20daughter%20beach&imgrc=_ (https://www.google.pt/search?q=madonna+daughter&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ZRKfUv-XGabP0QWS4IGQAg&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1329&bih=525#facrc=0%3Bmadonna%20daughter%20beach&imgrc=_)
and I am only more : gagagagagagagagaggagagagaagag YOU UNDERSTAND ? ::) Original vanGag
Quote from: lancaIV on December 04, 2013, 03:00:54 AM
Hello,
credit -(minus) Mindest-reserve= In-flation
(in-flationare= Auf-Blasung z.B. Ballon mit Luftpumpe)
so as consequence up to 95% of the numeric prices and wages(-prices) worldwide will going down :
if credit-market related .
Agreed. There is no good end, here. This looks bad. As I told my thread-posting-partner, triffid,
"If you own a gun, make sure it works and you have plenty of ammo for it. Otherwise, shrapen your knife."
I myself collect readily available, legal, Samurai sword replicas that come out of the box as sharp as a long, heavy machete. It told "Dr." (No)wak as much, too.
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It is not a crash it is "normality is coming back",re-flationare .
Controlled" Air out " from the " non capital-saved credit economy ballon"
Sincerely
OCWL
I don't necessarily agree. People will get scared when they realize they might not be able to put food on the table. Scared people can do rash things, especially in an angry mob environment.
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p.s.: the_big_m_in_ok : I say, "More power to her." Both of them, actually.
I look at this
https://www.google.pt/search?q=madonna+daughter&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ZRKfUv-XGabP0QWS4IGQAg&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1329&bih=525#facrc=0%3Bmadonna%20daughter%20beach&imgrc=_ (https://www.google.pt/search?q=madonna+daughter&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ZRKfUv-XGabP0QWS4IGQAg&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1329&bih=525#facrc=0%3Bmadonna%20daughter%20beach&imgrc=_)
and I am only more : gagagagagagagagaggagagagaagag YOU UNDERSTAND ? ::) Original vanGag
I understand. She looks like her mother, a little. I also had a lot more hair when I was a teenager (of course). She has, and I had, eyebrow hair that grew together between our eyes. It's ovbiously genetic, you know. Our ethnic origins are similar.
--Lee
Agreed. There is no good end, here. This looks bad. As I told my thread-posting-partner, triffid, "If you own a gun, make sure it works and you have plenty of ammo for it. Otherwise, shrapen your knife."
I myself collect readily available, legal, Samurai sword replicas that come out of the box as sharp as a long, heavy machete. It told "Dr." (No)wak as much, too.
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Do you know where you have been on 02.10.1985 at 20.30°clock p.m. ?
I know it -by ticket- that I have been,partnered by a similar girl like her (but younger) in
Munich/Bavaria,Alabama-Hall(e),Schleissheimer Strasse 418 :
Tour `85
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/7421343/Anne_Clark_Weltschmerz (http://www.myvideo.de/watch/7421343/Anne_Clark_Weltschmerz)
The same old story
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.: 500 years history http://www.sfjff.org/film/detail?id=591 (http://www.sfjff.org/film/detail?id=591) but really no much related wih 400.000 years Anthropology
04:12:13
Anthropology
, Retold A 400,000 years old Sexgeschichte
The bones lay in a quaint little place. You could be witnessing a disaster. One thing is clear: even 400,000 years ago, people mingled in Western Europe and Siberia from. Pia Heinemann
Photo: Javier Trueba, MADRID SCIENTIFIC FILMS
So might have looked like the people whose bones in the Sima de los Huesos were found
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The 28 skeletons lay on an inhospitable place: temperatures just above 10 degrees Celsius, the air is extremely humid. Who wants in this cooling chamber must down into the earth, to squeeze through a cave, climb into a 13 meter deep hole. At the bottom of this hole in the Sima de los Huesos, (such as "bone pit") rested the bones and maintained a 400 thousand years old history.
The complex cave system in the northern Sierra de Atapuerca is Paleontologists have long been known as one of the most important sites of people that lived around half a million years. The natural corridors and chambers of the cave have Sampayo and Pedro Mariano Zuaznávar described in 1868. The bone chamber they found. But at that time it was not clear how unique it is.
"Today, the bones are in a safe in an archaeological institute in Madrid," says Matthias Meyer of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology (MPI-Eva) in Leipzig. Meyer is a special kind of genetic researchers him not interested in the genetic material of people today, but our early and earliest ancestors and relatives. Neanderthal and Denisova man, Homo heidelbergensis and Co - based on the genes of the different Homininenarten try Meyer and his colleagues trace the history of mankind. In "Nature" present the anthropologists new insights into the bone from the Sima de los Huesos.
Man
From Sahelanthropus to Homo sapiens
The traces of man
Before 7-6 million years ago
6 million years ago
Before 4.4 million years
Before 3.2 million years
Above 2.5 to 2.3 million years ago
Before 1.8 million - 300,000
160,000 years ago
10,000 years - 120,000 Against
40,000 years ago
Neanderthals & humans
And they have done it yet ...
Human traces
Milestones of seven million years ago
Early ritual burial site?
There are various theories about the bone pit. The discovery of an unused, very symmetrical hand ax from quartzite and ocher, an unusual material in this region, nurtured the idea that it might be in the Sima de los Huesos an early ritual burial place, to act the testimony of a death cult.
The hand ax, the researchers gave the nickname Excalibur could have been a grave side dish for the dead. Such a complex cult of the dead could turn to conclusions about thoughts and feelings of the then living hominins: You may have had emotional feeling could possibly symbolic and reflexive thinking and deal with life and death. "Many anthropologists doubt it though, as there has been no evidence of such an early ritual burials," says Meyer. Maybe the bones are evidence of a disaster in which many people fell into it through a chute into the cave system. Maybe people were rinsed by a flood or a flood in the cave system. "But in the end no one knows how the group of people has entered there."
The mystery surrounding the death in the bone pit will probably never be known. But paleontologists try to find out more about the lives of early humans.
Tiny holes in old bone
For this reason, Matthias Meyer was almost a year ago before the security cabinets in Madrid. In the laboratory, he drilled carefully six tiny holes in the approximately 400,000-year-old femur. He took 1.95 grams of bone substance and transported the precious material to Leipzig. Here, the researchers prepared the samples in two steps: First, they broke up the bones and extracted genetic material. Then the pure DNA of the mitochondria was artificially assembled again, so that the genes were sequenced. "The fact that we have examined the genetic makeup of the power plants of cells, is because it it just a lot more out there than DNA from the cell nucleus," explains geneticist.
How many surprises can experience scientists in genetic study ancient heritage, showed a Fund from 2010 at the latest. At that time, researchers have also examined bone meal Svante Pääbo and Johannes Krause of the MPI Eve. It came from the cells of a 40,000-year-old pinky bone from Denisova cave in southern Siberia Altai mountains. Even the mitochondrial DNA showed that this Denisova man was a separate species that lived at the same time with the Neanderthals in the Far East. The subsequent decoding of genetic information from the nucleus, in which Matthias Meyer was involved, confirmed the finding: Using a single finger bone and two molars identified the genetic researchers a previously unknown Frühmenschenart.
Genes continue to exist to this day
Genetic research begins slowly to revolutionize the classic anthropology, which is mainly based on anatomical comparisons. "The finger bones of the Denisova people looked morphologically the same as that of a Neanderthal," says Meyer. "But deciphering the genes showed then that they were only close relatives, but no Neanderthal in the real sense, we were able to track the genetic traces of the Denisova people even up to the present time. Certain living today ethnic groups in the Philippines, Papua New Guinea and the Aborigines in Australia are related to the Denisova people from the Altai mountains. "
Scientists therefore believe that the Denisova people were once widespread and mingled with Homo sapiens. The people from the Altai Mountains died, but their genes continue to exist to this day in modern humans.
Currently, anthropologists believe that modern man has left between 70,000 and 100,000 years ago on the Arabian Peninsula and Africa is then pushed relatively quickly to Neanderthals in Europe, with whom he also propagated itself. This is evidenced traces of the Neanderthal genome in each people living today. Sometime later, the modern man then met on Denisova people with whom she also testified descendants, and moved on in the direction of Oceania and Australia. "This part of the story we understand nowadays quite well," says Meyer.
How did Neanderthal to Eastern Europe?
The history before the time of Homo sapiens but holds many mysteries. So is still unclear how and when the Neanderthals came to Europe, where the Denisova people came and when and where they separated these two Homininenarten. "Today's favored idea is that much earlier than Homo sapiens, a group of early humans, perhaps 500,000 years ago, from Africa came to Europe. It could have been Homo heidelbergensis, which in Europe then further evolved into the Neanderthals and the Denisova people . "But much is still in the dark," Meyer admits. "There are few fossils from the time before a half million years ago, many are poorly preserved, most complete."
But now describe Meyer and his colleagues in the journal "Nature" that they could catch a first glimpse at this early time. This helped them to the samples from the bone pit. "All paleontologists were present for the fossils from the Sima de los Huesos actually agree that it is Neanderthal bones. Anatomically saw the fragments simply by clearly from Neanderthals." However, the analysis of mitochondrial DNA showed a different picture: "Instead of the typical Neanderthal DNA we found evidence of the Denisova people."
Scientists Neanderthal genome had found in the cave, which would have fit into the previously dominant image. But the Denisova finding new raises a new question: Why there is inheritance of the people of southern Siberia in the Spanish Sierra de Atapuerca? "We do not know," says Meyer. "The Denisova man is itself a mystery. Now we find his DNA even in Spain."
To know more about the life of hominins 400,000 years ago, researchers from the MPI Eva small holes will soon again drill into the bone. They hope that the genetic material from the nucleus of the cells holds some answers for them.
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My internet was out for a few days,just now getting back to posting here.Interesting talk about mans early origins.It appeals to me.I have a BS in biology.I did hear that the unemployment rate for the USA is now down to 7.0%It was 7.3%.The fast food workers are striking now for higher wages.http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/12/05/fast-food-strike-wages/3877023/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/12/05/fast-food-strike-wages/3877023/) I do believe that they will not get their $15.00 an hour goal.I just dont think the fast food coporations will give in that much.Hopefully they may get a union.triffid
The timing is good. In recent days, Pope Francis and President Obama have spoken out against growing income inequality.
"How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points?" the pope asked.
Obama, who has expressed support for a Democratic proposal to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour, echoed the pope's concerns in a speech Wednesday. Obama noted that the American economy had doubled in size since 1979, but most of that growth has been restricted to a "fortunate few."
That forunate few turns out be just about 3% of the USA population.triffid
Here is an article that says one in five are richer than they thought?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/12/06/rising-riches-1-in-5-in-us-reaches-affluence/3894929 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/12/06/rising-riches-1-in-5-in-us-reaches-affluence/3894929/)
200 mpg car being tested by VW. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/healey/2013/12/07/vw-xl1-shows-how-to-get-200-mpg/3883503/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/healey/2013/12/07/vw-xl1-shows-how-to-get-200-mpg/3883503/)
Diesel engine of course.
@IancaIV
In regard to your posted Reply #3521...
Siberians DNA in Spain( ?) 400,000 -- 500,000 yrs. ago(?) Was that the story? Well, I had read in either "Science" or "National Geographic" magazine, that in Georgia, primitive hominids were found along with about 10% of the species at that time having coming from West or West-Central Africa. Did the Spanish or the other hominids walk to Spain or Siberia from Africa?
--Lee
In going back to natural gas deposits on mars.I did some research today on past impacts on the earth.It seems that in the last 600 million years there have been 60 objects of a size 5 km(3 miles) that have struck the earth.Two major impacts,one 250 million years ago and one 65 million years ago,nearly wiped out life on earth.Surely some bacterial spores were blasted off of the earth and survived a trip to a much warmer and wetter mars in the past.If mars was wetter and warmer in the past that is.
Consider too the number of mars like planets in the galaxy that must exist.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 07, 2013, 06:10:38 PM
@IancaIV
In regard to your posted Reply #3521...
Siberians DNA in Spain( ?) 400,000 -- 500,000 yrs. ago(?) Was that the story? Well, I had read in either "Science" or "National Geographic" magazine, that in Georgia, primitive hominids were found along with about 10% of the species at that time having coming from West or West-Central Africa. Did the Spanish or the other hominids walk to Spain or Siberia from Africa?
--Lee
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature12788.html Huesos=Ossos=bones
Yesterday I got a hold of a book on the homeless in the USA."Welcome Them Home" by Larry and Chris Rice.C.c.2013.I think I have mentioned Larry Rice before in this thread.He is a pastor here in St.louis who does a lot of work with the homeless.Chris is his son.Although written with a Christian view the book makes a case for changing society so that everyone matters.And states that "homelessness is the predictable result of private and public-sector policies that exclude the poor from participating in the economic revolution,while safety nets are slashed in the name of global competitiveness". It also states that the global economy does not exist to help the communities and localities of the globe but exist to siphon the wealth of those communities and places it into a few bank accounts.The end result is that the rich get richer while the poor get poorer.triffid
All night city police and park rangers are patroling the area to make sure nobody sleeps in city parks.The non-existence of public restrooms open 24/7 opens the homeless up to fines of $100 if they relieve themselves in public.When you are homeless nearly everything you do to rest after 10pm is illegal.We send our money to foreign powers who could not care less on our way of life and our families.
What movies and tv take for granted is that its normal to have enough money to live to excess.
There is the kind of economy that exists to protect the "right" of profit,as does our present public economy:this sort of economy will inevitably gravitate towards the protection of the "rights" of those who profit most.
Our present public economy is really a political system that safeguards the private exploitation of public wealth and health.The other kind of economy exists for the protection of gifts...and this is the economy of community,which now has nearly been destroyed by the public economy.
The supreme court decision to remove all limits on campaign contributions has allowed those with the most money to virtually buy elections in America.Few Americans are aware how they are enslaved by an economy of greed.This is evidenced by how quick they are sucked in by politicians claiming to be pro-life who are actually bought and paid for by wealthy corporate interests.
I thought this was a really great book and wanted to share it here.There is a need to change the way we view each other.I used to think of homelessness as being just the result of bad personal choices.It seems our present economy has produced a crisis of homelessness unparalleled since the great depression of the 1930s.Many families with children are homeless too.
What happens when we are on mars or the moon?Will we have homeless people there too?
I'll probably be posting on this site a little more often in the future, time permitting.
Quote from: NZavaloff on December 12, 2013, 06:11:57 AM
I'll probably be posting on this site a little more often in the future, time permitting.
Welcome, NZavaloff. Good to have you here. I started this thread about(?) 2 1/2 years ago and have been contributing to it as I can, like you. triffid is doing the main work of posting and is doing a great job of it, too.
You might start looking at some of the posts and see what you think of what's there. Questions? Always glad to answer them and help if I can.
Talk to you later?
--Lee
Thanks big M for the vote of confidence.I do enjoy the topic of this thread and hope to find practical wisdom to pass along.I never reached millionnaire status.But I owe no debt right now and hope to keep that way.triffid
The chinese have a rover on the moon!http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/14/world/asia/china-moon-landing/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/14/world/asia/china-moon-landing/index.html)
Maybe soon there will be chinese hotels on the moon?By 2050?
I'd like to combine my invention at www.tsvls.com with this invention.
Quote from: arbroker on December 16, 2013, 06:52:55 PM
I'd like to combine my invention at www.tsvls.com (http://www.tsvls.com) with this invention.
C'mon, arbroker,
This is mainly an open forum, full-disclosure, electronic engineering set of research forums. No commercial soliciting allowed here, or anywhere else on this site, AFAIK. Hartiberlin should take note immediately and follow further posts from you in this regard.
I'll assume you're a beginner and don't know any better? I have an automatic Yahoo! e-mail announcement for posts to this thread I originally started awhile ago. Why don't you take this to a more suitable site and do what you're doing here, there?
--Lee
Judge puts blame on USA legal system for failure to take US companies to task for 2008 financial crisis.
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/us-judge-rakoff-companies-dont-214400256.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/video/us-judge-rakoff-companies-dont-214400256.html)
Are the USA companies really too big to jail? triffid
Only play the lottery when the prize is big?Heres some info about the smaller prizes sometimes being tossed out or lost or ignored. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/17/21927474-lottery-jackpot-not-the-only-way-to-win-hundreds-of-millions-unclaimed-every-year (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/17/21927474-lottery-jackpot-not-the-only-way-to-win-hundreds-of-millions-unclaimed-every-year) triffid
More than a half a billion dollars went missing last year — in glove compartments, washing machines, desk drawers and sometimes even literally in the trash.
That's because big lottery jackpots that go unclaimed (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/22/21576001-16-million-lottery-ticket-expires-in-florida?lite) or come close to expiring get plenty of attention, but people fail to cash out on millions in smaller prizes every year — especially casual players who only jump in when the jackpot swells as big as Tuesday's Mega Millions drawing (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/17/21936012-mega-millions-jackpot-pushes-to-636-million-second-largest-in-history?lite), which was hovering around $640 million.
On another note-----
(The everything but-- affordable health care) AKA Obama Care
I want to share what personally happened in my case.
I had a perfectly good individual Blue Cross plan that cost me
$312.00 per month with reasonable deductibles.
I was informed that my plan was not good enough and the replacement
plan would be $610.00.They called me to follow up on what had been sent
to me and asked me what I thought. I told them no way and left it at that.
My deductible increased 300 % as well.
In a few weeks they sent me a statement and with this statement there was
a breakdown of cost. There was something there that I had not ever seen on
any news coverage and this was in "black and white" Over 39.00 of the new
proposed premium was labeled "Affordable Health Care Tax Fees".
Keep in mind that $39.00 is per month on my measley individual plan.
Just say 12 times that and times millions of families that will be affected
by this fiasco.
This my friends is nothing but wealth re-distribution 101.
I reed a comment from an US-american citizen about the prize of the Barbosa&Leal energy converter (5500 bucks) explaining himself as member from the middle-class but who has not the afford to invest such "sum" ?
Middle-class ?
Free energy devices are not for "gratia" and the future -close cycle- energy capture and to household electricity converting devices will not become cheaper than 300Euros/KW.
Alternative: sunny estates and timing energy consume to light capture periods and cheap light collectors like Alvin Mark devices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMGyob166Cg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMGyob166Cg)
R&D http://www.neny.org/neny/Events/TVEnergyForum/437.aspx (http://www.neny.org/neny/Events/TVEnergyForum/437.aspx)
outlook
https://www.google.pt/search?q=lumeloid&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=JreyUq7WIojAtQaZo4D4Ag&sqi=2&ved=0CEMQsAQ&biw=1313&bih=587 (https://www.google.pt/search?q=lumeloid&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=JreyUq7WIojAtQaZo4D4Ag&sqi=2&ved=0CEMQsAQ&biw=1313&bih=587)
extracting this KWH-price prognosis:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/residential_electric_forecast.png (http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/residential_electric_forecast.png)
Source: US Department of Energy
Mr.Dr.Alvin Marks solar energy capture device calculation :
[0013] One embodiment of this invention is derived from earlier work on the manufacture of polymeric light responsive polarizing structures in which oriented conducting strings of a polyiodide I-I-I-I are held in a clathrate crystal (Herapathite), or in a stretch oriented sheet of a polyvinyl compound (polyvinyl alcohol or butyral). Other similar oriented polymeric structures are known to polarize light; for example, C=C-C=C-; a polyene. Polarizing sheets are now articles commercially manufactured by a bulk process at low cost by a large scale special film casting machine, the basic cost being about $1 per m<2> (1984 dollars). The present invention utilizes a similar bulk process. The casting composition3 is modified to employ the special heteropolymer of this invention made on a similar casting machine.4 The cost should be comparable. The extra cost of electroding and laminating will add only a few dollars per m so the total should be about $5/m<2> (500 w), about 500/sq. ft. The efficiency will remain in the 60-80% range. Thus solar energy will become available everywhere at about 1[cent]/watt; or, an investment cost of $10/KW.
an investment cost of $10/KW= 1cent/Watt
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.: there is no cheaper and reliable converter technology in this world:
thermodynamic engines like Thomas Cosby invention (now open source) included generator :
20cents/Watt (2002 end-consumer price estimation 5000 USDollars /10KW)
Barbosa&Leal -superconductive ?- amplifier : 80 cents/Watt (6KW device)
Dr.Imris static eGenerator (6KW price estimation,28Kg weight) : 50 cents/Watt
Quote from: camelherder49 on December 18, 2013, 05:07:22 PM
On another note-----
(The everything but-- affordable health care) AKA Obama Care
I want to share what personally happened in my case.
@camelherder49
Regarding your last post, you said the absolute truth: It's wealth 're-distribution', pure and simple.
The ones who're doing this don't give a d@mn about anything but what they desire. AND they don't care if they piss anyone off in the process. There's a saying in the U.S. Air Force about the upper brass officers in the Pentagon,
"They don't mind and you don't matter."I believe the whole economy is starting to grind to a halt. These dastardly pernicious ingrates who're trying to impose their will with force can TRY to avoid the crash that I say is coming, but
...they...can't...hide. Someone can find them and deal with them like they did to others who couldn't resist what was done to them by these S.O.B.'s.
--Lee
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/18/us/mega-millions/index.html?eref=rss_mostpopular (http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/18/us/mega-millions/index.html?eref=rss_mostpopular) Just the latest story on the one megamillion winner who has come forward.She won half of a 648 million dollar jackpot,thats 324 million,ok?She only gets after federal and state taxes 120 million.She is paying 204 million in taxes.If she dies before spending her jackpot only 5.25 million of her estate is excluded from further taxes.For 2013 that is.So 114.75 million.Unless the rules have changed since 2007 when the feds get half of any estate over 3.5 million back then.Then she will owe half of 114.75 million again in estate taxes.That will be another 57.375 million her heirs will pay. So total tax will be 204+57.375=261.37 million in taxes our lucky lottery winner will pay out.Her lucky heirs will however get to split only 57.37 million between them.Incurring more taxes along the way.triffid
Looks like to me that Uncle Sam and some of the states are big lottery winners.
For more than a million jobless Americans, government unemployment benefits will end Saturday, because Congress has allowed the extended benefits ushered in during the Great Recession to expire.
After 5.5 years a safety net for a lot of people will vanish.I hope a lot of us will cause those in power(and responsible) to vanish come the next elections.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/unemployment-benefits-1-3-million-175400849.html;_ylt=A2KLOzIPFr5SW20AVGuTmYlQ (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/unemployment-benefits-1-3-million-175400849.html;_ylt=A2KLOzIPFr5SW20AVGuTmYlQ)
The Obama administration has said the end of extended benefits can have a major impact on the economy.
The White House Council of Economic Advisers and Department of Labor issued a joint report earlier this month touting how jobless benefits buoy the economy (http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/05/news/economy/gdp-report/index.html?source=yahoo_hosted), while keeping 2.5 million workers out of poverty each year.
The White House pointed out in a separate report that the expiration of benefits could reduce U.S. GDP (http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/05/news/economy/gdp-report/index.html?source=yahoo_hosted) by 0.2 to 0.4 percentage point in 2014, according to the Congressional Budget Office and a J.P. Morgan Chase economist.
The Congressional Budget Office said the cost to extend the federal benefits (http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/09/news/economy/unemployment-benefits/index.html?source=yahoo_hosted) by another year is about $26 billion.
But Republicans have said in memos that the program has already cost $252 billion in the five years through July.
It seems that jobs are hard to find in China for their recent college graduates.I watched a tv show on public tv on the subject yesterday.With new graduates coming out this next september the competition just gets worse.Those with experience get picked over those with no experience.So those with just a new degree are having very little luck in getting new jobs.
Here are 13 states that will raise their minimum wage come jan.1,2014.
Mo got a 15 cent an hour raise.
http://www.employmentlawworldview.com/14-states-increase-the-minimum-wage-for-2014/ (http://www.employmentlawworldview.com/14-states-increase-the-minimum-wage-for-2014/)
Quote from: triffid on December 30, 2013, 02:33:29 PM
Here are 13 states that will raise their minimum wage come jan.1,2014.
Mo got a 15 cent an hour raise.
http://www.employmentlawworldview.com/14-states-increase-the-minimum-wage-for-2014/ (http://www.employmentlawworldview.com/14-states-increase-the-minimum-wage-for-2014/)
The Mayor of San Francisco is thinking of trying to increase the local minimum wage to around $14.50/hr. For a Gov't standard 2012 hrs/yr for full time employment, that's about $28,000 - $29,000/yr, or so. Still not enough. The 'street' minimum wage for San Francisco, if you want to live indoors in an SRO residence hotel room; it's $35,000 - $40,000/yr. Not kidding. This is San Francisco, after all. The South Bay/Silicon Valley tech sector is causing a housing and office building boom that's driving teachers out of town to surrounding counties that're less costly. High rents are putting more and more people on the streets
WITH winter coming shortly.
This isn't any joke for those who're outside scraping by. Fortunately, I live in subsidized housing, so this isn't an issue. I'm lucky in that regard.
--Lee
Hi Lee,I once met someone who used to live in S.F.He said the rents were so high that he and others had to spend all month collecting money for the rent.He also said that even $1000 a month apts were littered with thrown away needles.He was in Dallas,texas when I met him.
This company has copper mines in Zambia where their goal is to extract as much copper as possible and pay as little tax as possible to the country itself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glencore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glencore).I watched a tv show on this company on public tv last night.triffid
Investments in Zambia[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glencore_Xstrata&action=edit§ion=17)]"
- fficials in Zambia believe pollution from Glencore's Mopani mines is causing acid rain and health problems in an area where 5 million people live."Investments in the Democratic Republic of the Congo[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glencore_Xstrata&action=edit§ion=18)]The company's Luilu copper refinery uses acid to extract the copper. For three years after taking over the mine it continued to allow the waste acid to flow into a river. The chief executive, Ivan Glasenberg, was interviewed for Panorama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panorama_(TV_series)) by John Sweeney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sweeney_(journalist)) and said 'It was impossible to remedy any way faster'
They have also come under scrutiny for acquiring illicit "conflict minerals"
Glencore has acquired stakes in the Kansuki mine in Congo's southern Katanga Province (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katanga_Province): Congo's government transferred a 75 per cent stake in Kansuki mine in secret and at vastly undervalued prices in July 2010 to a company in which Dan Gertler, who is a close friend of President Joseph Kabila (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kabila), has an interest. Just a month later in August 2010, Glencore took half the shares of the company that acquired that 75 per cent stake, becoming the operator of the mine. Glencore is financing the entire development of the Kansuki mine, thereby carrying the costs for its other partner companies which are associated with Mr Gertler.
This companys CEO, Ivan Glasenberg, made 8.8 billion dollars on its recent IPO.And he lives in Switzerland.He lives in one of the most wealthiest communities in the world.They do their best to exploit the poor to line their own pockets.triffid
I listened to Bill Moyers this morning.http://billmoyers.com/ (http://billmoyers.com/) He talked about how The state of North Carolina is almost ruled by the very ,very rich.Art Pope's name came up time and time again.He is a very wealthy individual with more than a personal fortune behind him.He has managed to get the Republicans so firmly planted in the government.That a bunch of new restrictions on voting rights have emerged.To keep the republicans in power. http://billmoyers.com/ (http://billmoyers.com/) triffid
This week on Moyers & Company, "State of Conflict: North Carolina" offers a documentary report from a state that votes both blue and red and sometimes purple (Romney carried it by a whisker in 2012, Obama by an eyelash in 2008). Now, however, Republicans hold the governor's mansion and both houses of the legislature and they are steering North Carolina far to the right: slashing taxes on corporations and the wealthy, providing vouchers to private schools, cutting unemployment benefits, refusing to expand Medicaid and rolling back electoral reforms, including voting rights.
First it was Wisconsin. Now it's North Carolina that is redefining the term "battleground state." On one side: a right-wing government enacting laws that are changing the face of the state. On the other: citizen protesters who are fighting back against what they fear is a radical takeover. This crucible of conflict reflects how the battle for control of American politics is likely to be fought for the foreseeable future: not in Washington, DC, but state by state.
Some info on Art Pope himself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Pope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Pope)
Pope is chairman and president of the John William Pope Foundation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_William_Pope_Foundation), which he founded with his father, John W. Pope, in 1986.[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Pope#cite_note-21)
As of June 30, 2010, the Pope Foundation had nearly $136.8 million in assets. It has made over $89 million in grants since 1986, including over $9 million in grants made during the fiscal year ending June 30, 2010. Over the last 25 years, half of the Pope Foundation's grants have gone to support public policy, conservative organizations and think tanks in North Carolina, with the largest single recipient being the John Locke Foundation. The Pope foundation has donated more than $28.7 million to the think tanks, including $17 million to the John Locke Foundation,[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Pope#cite_note-Equalizer-13) for which Art Pope was the founding chairman.[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Pope#cite_note-22) Eighteen percent of the grants went to support higher education, including Campbell University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell_University) and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Seventeen percent has supported national conservative and libertarian public policy groups, including The Heritage Foundation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heritage_Foundation) and the Cato Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute). Ten percent of the Pope Foundation's grants support community philanthropy, including the Habitat for Humanity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitat_for_Humanity) in Wake County and Food Bank of Eastern & Central North Carolina. The Foundation's support for the arts includes grants to the North Carolina Symphony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Symphony), Carolina Ballet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_Ballet), North Carolina Theater and North Carolina Opera.[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Pope#cite_note-23)
In 2011 Indy Week (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indy_Week) reported that the Pope Foundation failed to file tax returns for the years 1996-2004 until 2005. The foundation reported to the IRS that they were unable to file timely returns due to complications from a hurricane, lack of staff, and personal circumstances of Art Pope.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Pope#cite_note-24)
http://www.examiner.com/article/bigfoot-hunter-body-possession-of-rick-dyer-will-go-on-tour (http://www.examiner.com/article/bigfoot-hunter-body-possession-of-rick-dyer-will-go-on-tour) This man claims to have killed a bigfoot and will yake it on tour.Most likely a hoax in my opinion.triffid
I watched a tv show on public tv about the" Fraser report on economic freedoms in different countries".
It seems that several countries have turned around their economies.A good lesson to us all.Chile now has an extreme poverty rate of only 3 percent.Way down from 40 percent 40 years ago.The USA used to be number 3 in their ranking,now its number 19 due to recent downward trends in property rights.
It seems that when people depend only on themselves and not the rich or big government.They are able to live useful,happy lives.
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/display.aspx?id=18849 (http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/display.aspx?id=18849)
The index published in Economic Freedom of the World 2012measures the degree to which the policies and institutions of countries are supportive of economic freedom. The cornerstones of economic freedom are personal choice, voluntary exchange, freedom to compete, and security of privately owned property. Forty-two variables are used to construct a summary index and to measure the degree of economic freedom in five broad areas: (1) size of government; (2) legal system and property rights; (3) sound money; (4) freedom to trade internationally; and (5) regulation.
Another article I believe to reflect the american reality http://www.nextavenue.org/article/2012-07/biggest-retirement-mistake-boomers-make-and-how-avoid-it (http://www.nextavenue.org/article/2012-07/biggest-retirement-mistake-boomers-make-and-how-avoid-it).
A post from a reader and I tend to agree with him:Paul Solomon does a great job--for people like me. We're both 67 and employed in the media writing about retirement (although he likely makes lots more than me, while maybe I have a wider view of aging that he seems to). His scolding of boomers for not saving enough--in a recession on top of three decades of attacks on pensions and almost unfettered controls o health costs -- not so great for the many we now call the 99%, especially ethnic elders. (Add to that uneven gains in longevity across U.S. demographic groups. Add to that trying to save to help our kids through college and the debt burden they've been saddled with.)For a balance, look at Teresa Ghilarducci's op-ed in last Sunday's New York Times, July 21, 2012 -- "Our Ridiculous Approach to Retirement (http://nyti.ms/LAFf4n (http://nyti.ms/LAFf4n)). I also quoted Teresa in my recent piece after the June election The Great Retirement Squeeze—Pension Cuts Mean Poverty for Future Elders (http://bit.ly/KsQH7p (http://bit.ly/KsQH7p)).[/size]Stock advice like Mr. Solomon's is only half the story (for those of us in the upper half, but maybe not even that much) without a well rounded view including the fatuous form of U.s. retirement--including blaming people for struggling upstream against a bad system. Wake up, indeed!
Here is a post from another reader worth mentioning. I like Paul Solomon but for boomers 60+ scolding doesn't help. There seems to be a dirth of reality about what has happened with the 99% over the last 20 years. A lot fewer of us have any sort of defined benefits plan than the statistic seem to show and those plans are what give financial security. If you've been through a couple of corporate buy-outs or downsizings and you've moved to take of keep a job and even if you maxed out your 401K to an employer's match (assuming they match at all) you've now been through three recessions that have taken your 401K back to baseline. If you were in a firm with a defined benefits plan and a laddered vesting schedule, you may very well have lost it all during a merger.
@triffid
Considering your excellent narrative in general, I would occasionally begin doing what you're doing: Exposing things that aren't right economically in this and other countries.
To wit...
The IMF is pressuring the American gov't to raise the maximum tax rate for the highest income classes to 71%. It's lower than that now. The wealthiest Americans don't pay income tax now, so the only ones who will get hurt in the wallet are the poorer Americans. The upper management at the IMF doesn't give a 'middle finger flip-off' about the poor of the world, either.
This was from a local S.F. Socialist weekly newspaper El Reportero, in Spanish and English to reach the largest Bay Area readership. Right. I agree with the article above.
So, as a result of my research in this, I'll start blowing whistles in this regard concerning goings-on at places like the IMF and others.
--Lee
Lee,this thread has taken me down many roads since I started posting here.I realized a long time ago that my education would not end with my last class in college.Of course you are limited by the types of knowledge that your instructors possess.So a lot of education is self education.Books,tapes,internet sources.My recent trend here was to point out a couple of wealthy people who made more money than they could possibly spend in their remaining lifespan.I wondered who they were and how did their life turn out the way it did.But My heart really lies with the 99 percent who outnumber the 1 percent.So seeing countries like Chile pull themselves up out of poverty gives me hope that Americans will do likewise.The best helping hands are still at the ends of our arms.We need to use our smarts(brains).We need to do things in our own backyards and homes that benefit us.I still believe in college.Free colleges especially.There are a couple.I still try to point people to them when I get a chance.
Interesting concept here,A country that invests in such a way that everyone is a potential millionare and no homeless people.http://news.yahoo.com/norwegians-become-crown-millionaires-oil-saving-landmark-172511178--sector.html (http://news.yahoo.com/norwegians-become-crown-millionaires-oil-saving-landmark-172511178--sector.html)
"The fund is a success in the sense that parliament has managed to put aside money for the future. There are many examples of countries that have not managed that," said Oeystein Doerum, chief economist at DNB Markets.
Norway has sought to avoid the boom and bust cycle by investing the cash abroad, rather than at home. Governments can spend 4 percent of the fund in Norway each year, slightly more than the annual return on investment.
Still, in Norway, oil wealth may have made the state reluctant to make reforms or cut subsidies unthinkable elsewhere. Farm subsidies allow farmers, for instance, to keep dairy cows in heated barns in the Arctic.
It may also have made some Norwegians reluctant to work. "One in five people of working age receives some kind of social insurance instead of working," Doerum said, despite an official unemployment rate of 3.3 percent.
A reader posted this comment that I agree with.
SEE , Its just a mindset, America could be like this but, we have a spend all mentality, for example, if a state gets fed dollars , they lose them if they are not spent. We also feel that if you dont have big debt, your not doing things right. We have two parties fighting to spend the money their way... The right wants to buy bombs and fight wars, the left wants social programs and gifts to the world. We need to run it like a person runs their home budget. You save 10 percent, you pay the bills, use 5 percent for entertainment etc.
Another post by a reader that I agree with.
To say that Norwegians are socialists is a bit naïve or just disingenuous. I've worked with Norwegian police and military over the past few years and while the country is not inhabited by far right wing folks they are certainly not what we would call leftist. I have found them to be quite conservative fiscally and while they are tolerant they do expect everyone to pull their own weight. Only approximately 3000 people are in prison there even though a person found to be driving while intoxicated (.05 breathalyzer) is sent to prison for one year for the first offense. The relatively small population, only about 4 million people, who are, again, FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE coupled with massive oil and gas reserves in the North Sea and you kind of have a recipe for success.
@triffid
Concerning your posted Reply #3562,
Yes, I agree with your observations. We, as individuals, can do the best we can, but the real 'movers-and-shakers', as it were, have the power to do what they want to the country and not necessarily care what happens to them as individuals. It's lousy, but that's the way the world is now.
All I can do is the best I can, given the circumstances of my life and the problems I was born with. I have the hope that I'll make it okay and the dishonest politicians will get their 'just desserts'---again, as it were---in the end.
I'm glad to be here and say all this on this forum, but it looks like I'll be leaving the Internet for some short or long time to do more work for my employer. I'm very pleased that you're here to provide specific commentary for this thread in an on-topic, ongoing set of posts geared to the subject matter in general. And I'll look in occasionally to see if the random greedy, stupid or strange interloper doesn't hijack this thread so that Stephen, hartiberlin, doesn't have to go to the trouble of taking time to police it himself.
You're doing a really good job presenting informative posts; and let's both continue to keep up the good work.
--Lee
I saw the new jobs info today. USA unemployment is down to 6.3 percent so the government says.Last I heard it was 7.0 percent.Greece is 27.3 percent. Spain over 15 percent.I did hear that its lower because more people gave up looking for work.triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 10, 2014, 09:06:27 PM
I saw the new jobs info today. USA unemployment is down to 6.3 percent so the government says.Last I heard it was 7.0 percent.Greece is 27.3 percent. Spain over 15 percent.I did hear that its lower because more people gave up looking for work.triffid
You're right. The statistics apparently improve when the gov't bean counter quit counting those who deliberately stop looking for work. The actual unemployment rate is probably 25% - 50% higher than they say.
ONLY for those who're interested, here's the 'Web address for most of my information concerning the economy:
http://www.elreporterosf.com/
(A local S.F. newspaper in Spanish and English in which the editors are unafraid to print what they consider the truth, regardless of how politically incorrect it is.)
--Lee
I've always thought history repeats itself because one one wants to look at the past mistakes others have made and honestly realize the mistakes were indeed made. Too many people want what they don't need or can't have, anyway. Fear, greed and hate add to the misery.
I saw this on "Global 3000" on public tv.A plumber in Scotland has invented a water boiler for the third world.It just takes a cook fire to heat up water to hot enough to kill most things living in it.Its called a" JOMPY".http://solarcooking.wikia.com/wiki/Jompy_Water_Boiler (http://solarcooking.wikia.com/wiki/Jompy_Water_Boiler)
to me it looks like a huge leap forward.triffid
http://jompy.co.uk/ (http://jompy.co.uk/)
Glow in the dark mushroom found again after 170 years last seen in 1840.
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/content.php?r=484-Glow-in-the-dark-mushroom-rediscovered-after-170-years (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/content.php?r=484-Glow-in-the-dark-mushroom-rediscovered-after-170-years).
Part 1 http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/content.php?r=544-Foraging-for-the-beginner (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/content.php?r=544-Foraging-for-the-beginner) of foraging for the beginner and part 2 is nearby!
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jcpenney-cut-2-000-jobs-213006101.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jcpenney-cut-2-000-jobs-213006101.html) Missouri does not seem to be on their list of cuts.
I thought this might be useful to someone here. http://www.howtovanish.com/2011/04/three-steps-to-handle-a-subpoena/ (http://www.howtovanish.com/2011/04/three-steps-to-handle-a-subpoena/) triffid
Some practical info on building a book safe to hide your valuables in. http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/12/07/how-to-make-a-secret-book-safe/ (http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/12/07/how-to-make-a-secret-book-safe/) triffid
http://newamericamedia.org/2014/01/the-crisis-in-black-and-brown-youth-unemployment.php (http://newamericamedia.org/2014/01/the-crisis-in-black-and-brown-youth-unemployment.php) I have known for a while that people of color (black and brown) ages 16 to 24 have lower employment rates than other groups.
About 10 thousand years ago farming was invented, which allowed larger numbers of people to be fed, thereby creating a population explosion. But not all people wanted to be farmers. Many people preferred the old way of life, of gathering food for free. For a long time this wasn't a problem since farming land was very different from the areas where people gathered food. This changed dramatically when farmers decided to drain swamps by constructing dykes and sea walls to turn swamps or salt marshes into farmland. Conflict was created between the farming people and the gatherers, a conflict that the farming people would always win, because of their greater numbers.Whenever farmers decided to drain a swamp or salt marsh, there would be people living on it who would object, creating conflict between the two communities. When the farmers built their dykes and started to drain the land, the chances are that the gathering people would come in the night and breach the dykes to re-flood the land. The farmers, angry at having to guard their dykes, might simply decide to wipe out the swamp people as a solution to the problem. History, as we all know, is written by the winners of any conflict, in this case the farmers. Today, we only know history from the farmers' point of view. Having gone as far as wiping out the people who fed themselves by gathering, they then set about justifying the genocide by condemning their victims as evil people who deserved to be murdered. Stories about their wicked deeds were invented and circulated.It seems that in the gathering communities it was women who were the leaders, in much the same way as men were the leaders in farming communities. The focus of all the vitriolic attacks by the farmers would be centred on the female leaders, who were condemned as evil witches. The witches would not only be seen as evil, but also practitioners of black magic. Where did these ideas come from?
When people switched to farming, their diet became more restricted, even though more food was available, because the bulk of their diet consisted of cereal crops. Much of their food was lacking in vital nutrients, which led to deficiency diseases. The farming communities discovered that the gatherers, with their vast knowledge of plants and herbs, knew of plants that could overcome these dietary deficiencies. So the farmers began using the witches of the gathering communities as doctors. We find much the same in mermaid stories, where mermaids are also described as herbalists. As we see today, people can quickly become dependent on doctors. If we look at Africa, Witch doctors not only dispense herbal medicine but psychological medicine as well, through their magic rituals. But they can also abuse this power by threatening their patients with magic curses. If there was conflict between the farming and gathering communities, when the farmers wanted to drain the swamps, the witches could use the farmers belief in and fear of magic to try and put a stop to this. As a result, if the local lord wanted to drain a swamp and found that the people were too frightened of the witches to do this, he would turn to the priests to reassure the people and condemn the witches. Since the Church itself also owned large areas of land, it might also want to drain swamps and turn the land over to farming. It had an investment in denying the power of the witches. They had to be eradicated.
The propaganda war between the Christian priests and the witches for power over the people became very ugly, resulting in widespread witch hunts and the genocide of the gathering people. It's more than likely that the mermaids and witches living in swamps or salt marshes were the ones who were killed in the Witch-hunts, but some of the mermaids living on the coast may have escaped this persecution as there was no-one wanting to use the land along the beach. As a result, there were still stories and sightings of mermaids as late as the 18th and 19th centuries, long after the witch hunts had finished.The mermaid's way of life is very, very ancient, going back millions of years, as we will explain in the next video about the Aquatic Ape Theory.
The above posts are what I found in reading about witches and mermaids.I felt this material would be be useful in explaining a lot of things in our modern day world.I do know that more people have been killed in the name of god than any other reason.Maybe the conflict did start over food and how to acquire it?triffid
It's been estimated that the ancient gatherers were aware of over a 150 different kinds of plants that they could collect all year around. On the seashore they also found edible seaweed, shellfish and crustaceans.
Field studies on hunter/gatherer societies that survived until the 20th century, show us that the vast majority of food was gathered by women. Hunting with spears or a bow and arrow has always been a very unreliable way of obtaining food, because most animals can easily outrun human hunters.In contrast, food was always available for gathering in swamps, rivers, lakes and the seashore, like the seeds of wild rice and club rush, floating plants like cresses, water chestnuts and water lilies. Along the coast there is sea parsnip, sea fennel, sea rocket and sea kale, to list but a few.
Here is a link to methane gas production(natural gas) on a small scale production
http://forum.minneapolis-moline.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69 keep in mind everyone on earth makes methane gas.So the smallest methane digesters are always walking around on earth.Soon to be on the moon too!
http://forum.minneapolis-moline.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69
http://thepublicschool.org/node/3871 another link to homemade methane.
Soon the human race will bring fire to the moon and mars.Soon we will use fire on another world(soon like in 100 years or less).triffid
The simplest explanation I have ever seen on how the process works.Study the picture. http://bio-gas-plant.blogspot.com/2011/05/biogas-digester.html
Ten new ways to make energy. http://www.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/five-forms-alternative-energy5.htm#page=0 Oil from e.coli and biodiesel from used coffee grinds are mentioned.
Quote from: triffid on January 17, 2014, 02:17:58 PM
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"The above posts are what I found in reading about witches and mermaids.I felt this material would be be useful in explaining a lot of things in our modern day world.I do know that more people have been killed in the name of god than any other reason.Maybe the conflict did start over food and how to acquire it?triffid"
Right, triffid. There's an Athiest Church in TN or KY (?) that faces regular, intense persecution from "ruthless and plentiful" local residents because they're different and they live in a 'redneck', heavily Christian state. And that's according to a nationally recognized magazine which features alternative, politically-
incorrect opinions.
I'm not the least bit surprised. I'm certain I'd be thought of as less than acceptable by them for being transgendered and transsexual, as well.
On an economic note, there was an article in a local alternative-press newspaper here in S.F. that warned that a proposed, expensive overhaul of an existing drinking-water-tunnel from the Hetch-Hetchy water supply system, between there and San Francisco, is in danger of failing because of advanced age. (Opened in 1925.)
Money simply isn't available to do the job.
That's my point: The economy in Calif is beginning to suck and nothing I can see on the horizon will ever make it better. It's no better, nationally and in all other States, IMO.
I'd get ready for the worst, everyone---and, you, triffid---as well. I have an exit plan, and I suggest you think of one yourselves. That goes for everyone.
Finally, I'm very glad to see this thread is getting so much attention---how much attention is that?---so much attention, that the poll at the start of this thread on Page 1 has the largest participation numbers that I've ever see at this site. And half the voters think the economy in going 'downhill, the pipes/tube/toilet'.
Again, I'm not surprised. You'd better gather supplies, sharp knive(s), other weapons, as needed---if you think it wise. I do.
--Lee
Hi Lee ,heres the latest happening worldwide,
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/talking-numbers/here-s-why-emerging-markets-scare-me--but-here-s-what-terrifies-me--gartman-193123915.html
Temps have really been bad here(cold).triffid
When it rains, it pours. And, when that rain is bad news in bad emerging markets, it can pour even in the United States.
Brazil, Argentina, Turkey, Egypt... the list goes on and on of countries that are seeing their currencies and markets get hit all at once.
While all are in some way affected by major global factors such as China's economic slowing or the US tapering its monetary stimulus, each one is also affected by their own idiosyncratic issues.
Nonetheless, these localized troubles may conflate – and conflagrate – leading to real problems in developed markets, including the United States.
Gartman Letter (http://www.thegartmanletter.com/). "If it were just Venezuela, we could deal with it. If it were just China, we could deal with it. But, you throw them all in the pot at one time, you've got a problem everywhere... This is very real."
"The real reason that we've gotten the stock markets to tumble as strongly as they have are these problems all coming in one fell swoop at one time. It's quite serious."
Gartman sees emerging markets causing trouble for the rest of the world for at least the next several weeks. But, while most emerging market currencies are dealing with their currencies weakening, one of the world's most developed markets, Japan, is dealing with a sudden rise in the yen.
The US dollar has declined more than two yen since Thursday, when it was trading at 104.64. Three months ago, the dollar was 97.42. Gartman doesn't believe there will be intervention by the Bank of Japan under the direction of the Ministry of Finance.
"I doubt that we'll see any intervention unless things get really, really ugly," says Gartman. "And, right now, they're ugly but they're not really, really ugly – yet."
But, for American investors, there may be a problem a lot closer to home. In fact, it may even be in the home. Extraordinarily cold weather in North America has helped push natural gas above $5 per million British thermal units (BTUs), if not higher. And what it's doing to the market terrifies Gartman.
I have been really lucky.If I see 2 or 3 inches of snow and/or ice on my car and on my street I stay home.Of course being retired helps a lot too!No need to brave the weather for a job.I have an exit plan too, Lee, just started it.Privacy will be my goal.triffid
Food banks are a part of my plan.Ive been going to them for a year now.I get milk that can sit on a shelf for half a year.Once open you put it in the icebox.At the dollar store a quart costs one dollar each.That $4.00 a gallon I know but no icebox is needed.
Quote from: triffid on January 24, 2014, 11:21:25 PM
Hi Lee ,heres the latest happening worldwide,
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/talking-numbers/here-s-why-emerging-markets-scare-me--but-here-s-what-terrifies-me--gartman-193123915.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/talking-numbers/here-s-why-emerging-markets-scare-me--but-here-s-what-terrifies-me--gartman-193123915.html)
Temps have really been bad here(cold).triffid
Yeah, I agree, triffid.
There's something else related to the subject of this thread? Take a look at this...
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/it-is-now-mathematically-impossible-to-pay-off-the-u-s-national-debt
Yeah, right. I can at least point to this article and confidently predict the economy will 'collapse', as this thread implies, and the
social/legal/military/judicial/financial/survival complications associated with all of this are going to be more than merely 'enormous'.
That's the point of this thread. People are still looking at it (this thread) and reading it, to this day. I'm just delivering a warning, is all.
--Lee
It seems the chinese elite are hiding money in offshore locations.About four trillion US dollars since the year 2000. The British virgin Islands was named as a major location.http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2014/01/22/chinese-elite-hide-money-offshore.html
I did meet a retired DA for the st.louis,mo.He said that soon peoples Food stamps will be cut off and then the hungry hordes will go house to house looking for food to take by force.He did say to arm myself if I stay in the city.
This article on california households in financial distress most likely is close to being true for all the other states in the union.
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-study-nearly-half-of-people-in-california-are-in-chronic-financial-stress-20140130,0,5504688.story#axzz2rzkKpaJN triffid
Even families with above-average income are one crisis away from financial devastation, the report found. Nearly one-quarter of families with household income between $61,201 and $100,008 have less than three month of emergency savings.
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-study-nearly-half-of-people-in-california-are-in-chronic-financial-stress-20140130,0,5504688.story#ixzz2rzlvZqx6 (http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-study-nearly-half-of-people-in-california-are-in-chronic-financial-stress-20140130,0,5504688.story#ixzz2rzlvZqx6)
2. Britain is FAR from out of the woods - guess who owns the Bank of England - it's not the public! and guess where ALL the money is owed? (someone with assets of $300 Trillion) Rothschild.
- so why don't we stand up to him? "they" own the police, the armies the governments, the politicians... basically society!
3. Three countries without a Rothschild central bank (for now) -- wait for it... SYRIA, IRAN and CHINA...
4. These families are responsible for all wars, WWI, WWII and WWIII, they have secret meetings in Bildersberg and Bohimien Grove to facilitate this dastardly plan....don't believe me? research, the one thing they fear is the internet, it is all out there, the real history, who REALLY owns Israel (and it is the Palestinians.. part of Persia you know)
Time to wake up and smell the coffee beans, i for one am fed up of being a slave for the rich.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/treasury-39-lew-warns-u-default-could-happen-140809355--business.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/treasury-39-lew-warns-u-default-could-happen-140809355--business.html)
Time to raise the debt ceiling again!triffid
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration warned on Monday it could start defaulting on the government's obligations "very soon" after it runs out of room to borrow under a legal cap on public debt.
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U.S. debt ceiling to bind by late February -Treasury (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-debt-ceiling-bind-february-210520796.html) Reuters
U.S. shouldn't default on debt, Boehner says (http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=A8A1D763-24E5-4F23-A6A8-5772A74BDE38&siteid=yhoof2)MarketWatch
Debt Ceiling Déjà Vu: New Showdown Ahead? (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/debt-ceiling-d-j-vu-221300676.html)The Fiscal Times
[$$] Tax Refunds Add Urgency on Debt Ceiling (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303942404579360594025818068.html?ru=yahoo?mod=yahoo_itp)The Wall Street Journal
Lew moves up debt limit deadline to late February (http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-debt-limit-treasury-jacob-lew-congress-20140122,0,5957744.story) Los Angeles Times
Washington is due to reinstate a limit on its borrowing at the end of this week and Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the administration can use accounting measures to stay under the new cap until the end of February.
After that time, "very soon it would not be possible to meet all of the obligations of the federal government," Lew said at an event hosted by the Bipartisan Policy Center, a prominent Washington think tank.
In 1970 when I first started college 70 percent of all college professors were on tenure track.Today most of the teachers are adjunct proffessors,(parttimers). Both four-year schools and community colleges employ contingent faculty, called adjuncts, to fulfill temporary needs on a short-term contract. In addition to receiving lower pay than full-time faculty, adjuncts must share rudimentary offices and accept whatever teaching assignments they are given, usually between one and three classes per semester. Adjuncts spend all of their time teaching; typically, schools will not include them in meetings or administrative decisions.
The public tv video I watched today states that most Adjuncts are not on tenure track,low paid,no benefits.and part time mostly.Some earn about $12,000 a year.
Just had to say something about the sorry treatment of adjunct professors today.
I watched this last night.http://www.democracynow.org/2013/4/5/shadows_of_liberty_new_film_explores (http://www.democracynow.org/2013/4/5/shadows_of_liberty_new_film_explores)
its a video about the media and how five megacorporations control most of what we see and hear today in the usa.
Not only do we have to worry about the government but now the media.
The new documentary "Shadows of Liberty" had its U.S. premiere last night at the National Conference for Media Reform in Denver. Using individual cases of journalists whose attempts to tell their stories have been muzzled by corporations and the government, the film shows how a corporate-controlled media can silence the truth about issues ranging from war to labor practices. In one instance, refused to re-air an investigation by the prize-winning journalist Roberta Baskin on Nike's use of sweatshop labor in Vietnam.
Who knows what will happen in the future?Maybe corporations are the future?Maybe it should be" the united corporations of America"?
Something Im curious about .Corporations in America are now considered to be persons.Maybe I can be a corporation?
triffid
Something I learned a few days ago and thought I should pass it along here since we are free energy researchers.I learned that wires vibrate a little bit when an ac current runs through them.Its not noticable at first.It might take years to see the effect.I was talking to a guy yesterday who wired a lot of his own lamps.He talked about that effect.He likes to tape the connections not just just screw them together with the plastic caps we see all the time.Over the years he found that 3 or 4 of his screw caps had come loose or had vibrated off as he had put it.
Since Im an older american the following link is of interest to me,http://finance.yahoo.com/news/older-americans-early-winners-under-health-law-154218092.html Seems some older americans are benefiting under the new health laws.
CHICAGO (AP) — For many older Americans who lost jobs during the recession, the quest for health care has been one obstacle after another. They're unwanted by employers, rejected by insurers, struggling to cover rising medical costs and praying to reach Medicare age before a health crisis.
These luckless people, most in their 50s and 60s, have emerged this month as early winners under the nation's new health insurance system. Along with their peers who are self-employed or whose jobs do not offer insurance, they have been signing up for coverage in large numbers, submitting new-patient forms at doctor's offices and filling prescriptions at pharmacies.
"I just cried I was so relieved," said Maureen Grey, a 58-year-old Chicagoan who finally saw a doctor this month after a fall in September left her in constant pain. Laid off twice from full-time jobs in the past five years, she saw her income drop from $60,000 to $17,800 a year. Now doing temp work, she was uninsured for 18 months before she chose a marketplace plan for $68 a month.
Quote from: triffid on February 14, 2014, 12:22:30 AM
Who knows what will happen in the future?Maybe corporations are the future?Maybe it should be" the united corporations of America"?
Something Im curious about .Corporations in America are now considered to be persons.Maybe I can be a corporation?
triffid
Right, triffid. That's how corporate law is written and enforced. You can't necessarily sue the managing
principals of a corporation, but you can sue the corporation
itself.
Like many in this country, I barely get by---and I'm slowly going broke in S.F., CA, where I live. I could live in a cheaper part of the country---the Midwest(like you) or South---but I wouldn't be as accepted as easily as I am here in S.F.
--Lee
I guess LA is very expensive,Lee.I have been reading a great book."Making the Most of Your Money" by Jane Bryant Quinn C.C.1991.Although a little dated it explains a lot about finances and how to create wealth from the money that you do earn.Any outdated info can be updated in a hurry from the internet.The author is a genius in explaining financial terms and putting things in ways that anyone can understand.She runs the gamet from banks to credit cards CDs,different types of accounts.She deals with what age you are and gives you ideas on how to get ahead no matter what your situation is.I plan on finding more copies of this book and giving it to my two brothers.
triffid
Sorry I have not been here lately.Had some internet connection issues at home.Plus reading some great books!"Read and Grow Rich" by Burke Hedges C.C.2000 also author of "who stole the american dream" makes the issue that so many Americans fail to learn how to read beyond a fifth grade level.
He quotes such statistics as 75%of all unemployed adults have reading and writing difficulties
43% of adults with low literacy skills live in poverty(as opposed to 5% of those with high literacy skills)
22% of Americans---40 million people--- read and write at the fifth grade level or less
70 % of prisoners score in the two lowest literacy levels.
He states that the right book at the right time can change your life!In general he talks about the awesome power of reading!
Some more statistics At any given time ,one third of americans are living in poverty
37%of americans never read another book after high school
Some info I learned from the Larry Rice channel here in st.louis,mo. on energy renewables.
The USA makes 2/3 of the worlds solar panels and exports 70% of those panels overseas.
By the year 2060 , 60% of the worlds energy will be from renewables.
I watched a video on college graduates in todays China.It seems that some two million of them each year never find a job in China.So its hard to find a job here and hard to find a job in China.It seems that the 43,000 companies in China are having a feeding frenzy as they chew up people there in China where $240US a month is considered good pay for a college graduate.And colleges are ranked as 1st tier,2nd tier and 3rd tier.And rural colleges and people are looked down upon by those who come from the cities( much like the Americas of the 1850s).triffid
Years ago I read the right book and five years afterwards I had over one hundred grand in assets.You don't learn everything however in a book.Life teaches you some lessons too!One year after I bought my first house I could have paid it off by quitting a JOB.I was too scared to quit that JOB.And pay off the house and invest the rest.The value of my assets went down to 40 grand,back up to 60 grand then I managed to cash out at 50 grand when I finally left that JOB.My life has been interesting ever since.I read Al Williams book on how money works and was able to do the things he said to do.I however did it in an IRA that the IRS would not let me have the money unless I left the JOB.So I spent four years watching the amount bounce around a lot.
Today we are watching what happens in Crimea with the Russians invading that part of the Ukraine.
http://news.yahoo.com/putin-ready-invade-ukraine-kiev-warns-war-011805827--finance.html
I personally believe that this is not a war.No shots fired yet,no deaths yet,In fact the previous Ukraine government killed more of its own citizens than the Russians have yet.I do believe the Russians are protecting their military investment in the Crimea in light of a new upcoming and uncertain Ukraine government.Remember they had treaties with the old government that collapsed recently.And they do have bases there.triffid
Analysts said U.S. economic sanctions would likely have little impact on Russia unless they were paired with strong measures by major European nations, which have deeper trade ties with Moscow and are dependent on Russian gas.
Hopefully cool heads will prevail here.Hopefully no shots will be fired and hopefully no one will die.
On a brighter note I found and read a book titled"From Debt to Wealth on $10.00 a Day---Pay It Down!" written by Jean Chatzky c.c.2004.It gives everyone whos in debt a plan to follow to be debt free in 5 years.It talks mostly about credit card debt.This thread is not about books but about the American Economy.I am in a unique situation here.I have a very cheap source of books.$1.50 per hardback and 50 cents per paperback no matter how big.Basically I buy those books on finances that appeal to me.Being retired and on a fixed income how to manage my money is very important to me.If I find a great book I will share it here.Any of you who are interested enough to read can locate these books in your area.As I have noted here a very big American problem is that a bunch of you dont read.triffid
We are not ready for the Russians, Vlad knows it, and he is going to keep taking what he wants. He is gearing up, this is what happens before every major show down. He took back Georgia a couple years ago, reestablished ties with Belarus, secured their borders much better than we have and is a country that is flush with cash, unlike us operating at a deficit and owing the Chinese trillions. And when push comes to shove do you not think China, when it wants its money back won't side with Russia? Both of these countries have had a Machiavellian mentality and employed carefully constructed games of brinkmanship for centuries. Of course Iran will side with them, cause they want some of that natural , and to be able to control reserves in the Caspian Sea, and you can bet Pakistan will join in. Gee we have France which is overrun by Muslims and the UK, wow. While we've been championing gay rights, legal weed, fairness the Russians have been building and gearing up.
March 9th ,this Sunday coming up the new"Cosmos" series starts.An airbear is featured in the ads for the new program.They are tiny multicellar creatures that live in moss.I have moss around my house so I guess I have some of those things nearby.Fox2 hosts the show.
Quote from: triffid on February 25, 2014, 07:55:19 PM
I guess LA is very expensive,Lee.
It is. I live in San Francisco, now, but I grew up in L.A. S.F. is just as expensive.
Quote
I have been reading a great book."Making the Most of Your Money" by Jane Bryant Quinn C.C.1991.Although a little dated it explains a lot about finances and how to create wealth from the money that you do earn.
I learned the basics of the stock market and the financial American economy on TV for 2 years when I had free cable at a homeless domicile/shelter run by the Salvation Army. Speaking of which:
http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNewsIntl/Stock-market-recession-alert/2014/02/10/id/551985 (http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNewsIntl/Stock-market-recession-alert/2014/02/10/id/551985)
Right. Get ready for a super-duper recession when this happens. I
BELIEVE it
WILL happen, too. I do have an exit plan, so this development above doesn't bother me. Others might not be ready, however.''
--Lee
Oh, BTW, triffid, I've been doing okay except my health. I was born with a couple of genetic diseases that are getting more troublesome in my mid-sixties, now. They don't kill, but they do make life a more unpleasant as I get older.
The economy, as it was predicted, is poised for a real downturn and not everyone is ready for it.
--Lee
Every year businesses give away thousands of dollars in free money and gift cards as a way of promoting their websites/products. We've put together a list of 15 of them who will give you a ridiculous $1,823.40 in free cash right now.http://www.thepennyhoarder.com/how-to-get-free-money-these-16-companies-are-giving-away-1660-25/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=demandmedia-ehow# (http://www.thepennyhoarder.com/how-to-get-free-money-these-16-companies-are-giving-away-1660-25/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=demandmedia-ehow#). Maybe these can help someone here?
Lee I do have an exit plan now.Sorry to hear about your health issues.
From Lees link , How can Hyman be so sure?He has access to a secret Wall Street calendar that has beat the overall market by 250% since 1968. This calendar simply lists 19 investments (based on sectors of the market) and 38 dates to buy and sell them, and by doing so, one could turn $1,000 into as much as $300,000 in a 10-year time frame.
Now those numbers I like!Cuz Its doable.
This seems doable to me.http://www.thepennyhoarder.com/how-to-make-750-a-month-selling-used-books/ triffid
How to get $1000 dollar tax credit from the IRS if this applies to you!http://www.thepennyhoarder.com/the-1-most-overlooked-tax-deduction-could-save-you-1000/
Lee this says the crisis could occur before Ombama leaves office. http://signup.moneymorning.com/X304Q107
Schiff: 2/3 of America to Lose
Everything Because of This CrisisBy MONEY MORNING STAFF REPORTS
A record breaking stock market is distorting a frightening reality: The U.S. is being eaten alive by a horrific cancer that will ultimately destroy the economy and impoverish the vast majority of its citizens.
That's according to Peter Schiff, the best-selling author and CEO of Euro Pacific Capital, who delivered his harsh warning to investors in a recent interview on Fox Business.
"I think we are heading for a worse economic crisis than we had in 2007," Schiff said. "You're going to have a collapse in the dollar...a huge spike in interest rates... and our whole economy, which is built on the foundation of cheap money, is going to topple when you pull the rug out from under it."
Schiff says that, despite "phony" signs of an economic recovery, the cancer destroying America stems from a lethal concoction of our $17.2 trillion federal debt and the Fed's never ending money printing.
Currently, Yellen and The Fed are buying $65 billion per month of Treasury and mortgage bonds and will increase or decrease this number as they see fit.
According to Schiff, this "exit strategy" is not credible and will unravel.
Eventually interest rates will rise... and when they do, Schiff says, stocks will tank and bonds dip to nothing. Massive new tax hikes will be imposed and programs and entitlements will be cut to the bone.
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"The crisis is imminent," Schiff said. "I don't think Obama is going to finish his second term without the bottom dropping out. And stock market investors are oblivious to the problems."
"We're broke, Schiff added. "We owe trillions. Look at our budget deficit; look at the debt to GDP ratio, the unfunded liabilities. If we were in the Eurozone, they would kick us out."
Schiff points out that the market gains experienced recently, with the Dow first topping 17,000 on its way to setting record highs, are giving investors a false sense of security.
"It's not that the stock market is gaining value... it's that our money is losing value. And so if you have a debased currency... a devalued currency, the price of everything goes up. Stocks are no exception," he said.
"The Fed knows that the U.S. economy is not recovering," he noted. "It simply is being kept from collapse by artificially low interest rates and quantitative easing. As that support goes, the economy will implode."
http://www.thepennyhoarder.com/i-need-money-10-ways-to-make-money-for-tomorrows-rent/
pay attention to number 10.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 04, 2014, 05:41:24 PM
(...snip...)
Right. Get ready for a super-duper recession when this happens. I BELIEVE it WILL happen, too. I do have an exit plan, so this development above doesn't bother me. Others might not be ready, however.''
--Lee
Hey, all, and triffid, especially...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-greatest-depression-has-only-begun/25089
So, then. As I said in the past, and the subject of this thread I started, It'll happen sooner or later.
Hey, WilbyInebriated...?
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 09, 2014, 07:01:57 PM
Hey, all, and triffid, especially...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-greatest-depression-has-only-begun/25089 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-greatest-depression-has-only-begun/25089)
So, then. As I said in the past, and the subject of this thread I started, it'll happen sooner or later.
Hey, WilbyInebriated...?
You once asked me when the predicted economic collapse that I assert will take place in this country and the world will happen?
My present assertion is that people have free will and because of that, and the likes of an......unknown(?)......amount random variance(a weather forecasting term) always occurring everywhere and at all times; this makes predictions a less than 'a sure thing'.
How do I know?
Are you a shamanistic-oriented Native American? I've known several in my life. I say these things with the expectation that readers will 'take this with a grain of salt', so to speak. For you however, a ton of salt may be necessary.
I've been told the reason you have the literary attitude you have on this forum and then I was told not to be specific about that. You have a tendency to piss people off and so does another posting Member of a technical 'web site I had belonged to in the past. You and he write with exactly the same literary style. I'm not kidding and I'm not stupid. I'm allowed to say this and post this unchanged because it's just an opinion, vague as it is, and THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT IT.
More than that will get me into 'hot water', as it were, but you can state an opinion about what I just wrote, you know. Oh, another opinion: Did I say I know WHY I say you have a habit that: You don't mind pissing people off, in my opinion.
I do know why---I just can't tell you or anyone else. I have information, now, I didn't have before and I can only share some of it.
But, if you have a question or opinion of your own, let's hear it, by all means.
--Lee
Oh, by the way, Wilby...? You accused me of carrying out a vendetta against you in the past? Something like that? That's what I mean. You're doing that on purpose to try and piss me and anyone else you can, and so is this other guy, IMHO. EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. I was pissed at you for a while---until I figured out why you and "pfcem" on another site were doing exactly the same thing.
Really. Not kidding. Opinion(s) of your own? I'm waiting.
greeting all...then barter system will exist again
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/a-windfall-from-social-security--155816922.html Maybe this info will help someone here?
From your link,Lee: "Evidence of a deterioration of global manufacturing growth and renewed weakness in job creation in the United States emerged Wednesday, two reversals that have markets bracing for an economic pause, or worse... Add to that a daunting list of aggravating factors: the continued implosion of the U.S. housing market, an outbreak of worldwide risk aversion, high crude-oil and gas prices pinching consumer demand, further tightening in China and other emerging-market economies, stock market losses, lack of credit growth, the looming end to the Fed's monetary stimulus, weak business capital spending, and the still-unfolding sovereign debt crisis in Europe."
Last Friday I learned(todays Tuesday) what the hospitals in St.Louis are doing today.They are hiring the young newly graduated nurses at a lower wage of course and telling the older nurses to take more days off so they can work the younger ones more at a lower cost.Oh yeah the older nurses are told they are on call so a second job may not be possible.
As I said earlier privacy is now my goal.My exit plan.triffid
I believe that the corporations are now in charge of the whole world.They have a feeding frenzy going on in China.43,000 companies in China hire college graduates at $240 US and less per month.And fire and discharge at an incredible rate anyone they please.Two million chinese college graduates are unable to even find a job there a year.Each year millions of new chinese college graduates enter the job market there creating more competition.I am glad to be retired but worry all the time about the younger generation.
Today I learned that 40% of all American women soldiers since the early 90s middle east wars have been raped.Our military is not a good place for women.Public tv told me this.
A link about scams on the elderly and everyone else. http://www.aarp.org/money/scams-fraud/fraud-watch-network/?cmp=RDRCT-FRDWCHNET_SEPT17_013
More scamming ,pay attention! http://www.aarp.org/money/scams-fraud/info-06-2013/avoiding-charity-scams-during-disasters.html?cmp=EDO-LNK-FWN-TEST-2014 (http://www.aarp.org/money/scams-fraud/info-06-2013/avoiding-charity-scams-during-disasters.html?cmp=EDO-LNK-FWN-TEST-2014)
Within hours of any disaster, charity scams go into full swing. Even before Superstorm Sandy (http://www.aarp.org/money/scams-fraud/info-11-2012/hurricane-sandy-scams.html) made landfall, 1,000 new websites with "Sandy," "relief" or related keyword search terms in them had been registered, many of them by scammers.
Some of the bogus websites (http://www.aarp.org/money/scams-fraud/info-08-2010/ask_sid_how_can_i_tell_if_a_charity_is_for_real.html) seek your credit card number to collect supposed donations, possibly also using that information later for identity theft (http://www.aarp.org/money/scams-fraud/info-06-2012/scams-targeting-older-victims.html). Others infect your computer with malware that can ferret out sensitive information, such as your account numbers or passwords.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 09, 2014, 07:01:57 PM
Hey, all, and triffid, especially...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-greatest-depression-has-only-begun/2508 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-greatest-depression-has-only-begun/25089)
In keeping with the subject of the article above, I have another local Alternative press/Communist/Libertarian newspaper that's distributed here in S.F.,
El--Reportero. There's an article in a recent issue that the author of the article is interviewing a prominent economist on the decline of the American economy.
The gist is: We're borrowing too much, not manufacturing enough, under a regulatory nightmare of convoluted financial laws, and destroying the environment, as well.
Yep, that's right. I agree, wholeheartedly.
I'll try and bring the article to the library and go through it in detail.
Oh, hey, guys, NOT THAT this is a complaint---since I know what going on with this thread---but it came to a halt when I started saying the things I'm saying here. I'm telling you the truth as I see it, and:
1) As I said before, I'm posting what I'm allowed to post because 'someone' is effectively "looking over my shoulder", so to speak, as I write this.
You knew this, didn't you? This and other technical sites are
being watched by the likes of the NSA, CIA, Homeland Security, and others who deal with national security. Fine, you know now if your didn't, then.
I get the post this because I get to give you unclassified info. for mine and
possibly??? someone else's reasons. That's the way it is.
I'll be nice in my spelling of words: More than a few of your are doing things for similar reasons to myself: You have an agenda like I do. Mine? Take a full time job with a live-in assistant and loose myself in society by going
"intel dark". Shortly.
I'm getting the 'silent treatment here for that reason. ESPECIALLY
YOU, WilbyInebriated. I've been told why you write the way you do and I SEE YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, DON'T YOU?!?!?!
There's a reason for that. I know what it is.
Frankly, WilbyInebriated and I are working for the same goal---(classified)---and there's others on other sites who do the same thing as us, as well. The short answer and reason is: Survival.
That's what I can tell you and the public.
Right. I'll be leaving the Internet for awhile and doing other thing in conjunction with my position in a certain organization. Doesn't really matter what organization, but that's the way it is.
(This post should load and run as usual, thus proving I write to make the points I do, and I'm allowed to do this because the POWERS-THAT-BE let me do it with their consent.
You
are being watched and the Homeland Security Act lets them---the watchers---do it, as I should have said before.)
--Lee
We are being watched now to the point that each letter we write has the front of it photographed.And if you get mail from any of the so called tax haven countries you are placed on a to watch list.Looks like Russia has the Crimea http://news.yahoo.com/us-rejects-crimea-vote-cites-russian-intimidation-182209667--politics.html (http://news.yahoo.com/us-rejects-crimea-vote-cites-russian-intimidation-182209667--politics.html) war of words will continue until Russia gets the concessions it wants.I must repeat the current government was considered to be unfriendly to Russia and Russia did have treaties with the disposed government.All email,internet, and telephone communications are being watched for certain trigger words.Ever since 9/11/2001 our privacy has vanished.It may keep us all safer?But don't say anything you would not want to show up in the New York Times.triffid
I was watching a public tv clip on Brazil.It seems the public there are burdened down with credit card debt to the tune of 41% of their average annual incomes.So The land of Rio has credit card debt issues too!triffid
I continue to go to food banks myself.And eat a meal or two at local churches per week.Pay a dollar or two and get morning coffee at McDonalds which has security cameras.The tv show "Person of Interest"show how much watching is taking place.
Speaking of shows "Cosmos" was on tonight.And the "airbears" I was talking about were called "waterbears".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade)
Tardigrades (also known as waterbears or moss piglets)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-American_Scientist-2)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-3) are water-dwelling, segmentedmicro-animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-animals), with eight legs.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-American_Scientist-2) They were first described by the German pastor J.A.E. Goeze in 1773. The name Tardigrada (meaning "slow stepper") was given three years later by the Italian biologist Lazzaro Spallanzani.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-4)
Tardigrades are classified as extremophiles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile), organisms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organism) that can thrive in a physically or geochemically extreme condition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_environment) that would be detrimental to most life on Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Earth).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-5)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-6) For example, tardigrades can withstand temperatures from just above absolute zero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero) to well above the boiling point of water, pressures about six times stronger than pressures found in the deepest ocean trenches, ionizing radiation at doses hundreds of times higher than the lethal dose for a person, and the vacuum of outer space. They can go without food or water for more than 10 years, drying out to the point where they are 3% or less water, only to rehydrate, forage, and reproduce.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-7)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-8)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-Guidetti.2C_R._.26_J.C3.B6nsson.2C_K.I._2002_181.E2.80.93187-9)
Seems like these waterbears should be studied to see if we humans can learn their survival secrets!
triffid
Outer space (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_space) – tardigrades are the first known animal to survive in space. On September 2007, dehydrated tardigrades were taken intolow Earth orbit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Earth_orbit) on the FOTON-M3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foton-M) mission carrying the BIOPAN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOPAN) astrobiology payload. For 10 days, groups of tardigrades were exposed to the hard vacuum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_vacuum) of outer space, or vacuum and solar UV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UV) radiation.[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-Science-20080908-37)[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-MSNBC-20111222-38) After being rehydrated back on Earth, over 68% of the subjects protected from high-energy UV radiation revived within 30 minutes following rehydration, but subsequent mortality was high; many of these produced viable embryos.[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-low-earth-orbit-27)[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-39) In contrast, dehydrated samples exposed to the combined effect of vacuum and full solar UV radiation had significantly reduced survival, with only three subjects of Milnesium tardigradum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milnesium_tardigradum) surviving.[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-low-earth-orbit-27) In May 2011, Italian scientists sent tardigrades into space along with other extremophiles on STS-134 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STS-134), the final flight of Space Shuttle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle) Endeavour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Endeavour).[40] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-40)[41] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-41)[42] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-42) Their conclusion was that microgravity and cosmic radiation "did not significantly affect survival of tardigrades in flight, confirming that tardigrades represent a useful animal for space research."[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade#cite_note-43) In November 2011, they were among the organisms to be sent by the US-based Planetary Society (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_Society) on the Russian Fobos-Grunt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fobos-Grunt) mission's Living Interplanetary Flight Experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Interplanetary_Flight_Experiment) to Phobos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_(moon)); however, the launch failed.
Quote from: superhero on March 17, 2014, 01:53:19 AM
Lee my heart breaks for you. Just remember we are spiritual beings seeking a human experience. Know very well that all the hardship and suffering you are experiencing is nothing but a mere lessons for us to learn here in the physical.
Thank you, superhero. You're quite considerate.
A spiritual teacher I knew decades ago said to me face:
"Some things can only be learned in the physical body as we experience feelings and life situations on this physical plane."
Exactly. I know what she meant. I can do the best I can while I'm alive and try to set the best self-actualized personal example I can. We all can. Maybe a few Members can learn from what I just wrote, as well?
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The energy of creation 's ultimate truth is a divine oneness of love. To understand what love is, you must experience the opposite of it. That's the only way we can grow to higher and higher conscious. Good luck to you lee. Hugs.
You have the Truth as I know it to be in my
Heart.
Right. I couldn't have said it any better. Wherever I go from here, I do what I can to survive honestly and be true to my
Belief as it was said to me---and it's true for me---
"I'm a Jew and I'm not perfect." That's the best I can do. I think it's enough. For me, anyway.
Mazel Tov, Good luck, superhero, wherever you go and whatever you do.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on March 11, 2014, 02:57:10 PM
In reference to posted reply #3624...
I'm also referring to my incorrect reference to the failing U.S. economy with this article as actually being from the locally available Epoch Times, notthe equally local and available, El--Reportero newspaper.
http://m.theepochtimes.com/n3/553225-peter-schiff-us-economy-screwed-up-stock-market-a-bubble-video/
(This article loads and runs as usual on this borrowed computer.)
Okay, right:
This is the truth, the way I see it. I said all along the American economy was headed for a downturn and this is more recent info. There was WAAAAAAAY!!!!!! too much money borrowed to pay it back. Impossible!!! The rest of the country and world haven't caught on yet. They will, eventually, and then the American economy will be history. Just as the subject of this thread implies.
WilbyInebriated asked, "When?" Human free will cannot be screwed with. This 'collapse' can be predicted by someone like me, but free will, will dictate exactly when this will happen. Apparently, he didn't understand that.
He no longer replies to what I say in rebutting his formerly snide remarks, yes? I assert I was told about him and he was told about me. He knows this now. He used to piss me off until I was told the things I was.
Right. Got any comments now, Wilby...? I can't speak as freely as i did before, since I have a job that requires a certain amount of verbal discretion on my part. That's the way it is.
However, I don't expect anything out of you and you know why, don't you? Surprise me: Respond to this 'persecution' by me. I can probably stand up to your unflattering remarks---if you have any---and give you, verbally, what you give me. I was getting tired of your shit until I was told the truth. The truth cannot always be told, for reasons you should understand.
Do you still have comments / questions / remarks / allegations / attempted insults / self-inflicted, shoot-yourself-in-the-foot flubs?
Yes, No, Maybe?
Right, I thought so.
--Lee
From what I hear the average american worker gets 32 hours of work a week.Does not get benefits as a result of being part-time workers.Our leaders are now talking about an unemployment rate of 6.1% in the last part of 2014.This number does not take into account those who are working part-time and wish for more employment nor does it take into account those whose who has stopped looking for work.In the St.Louis area they are talking about Scott Airforce Base which pumps 2.3 billion dollars into the local economy being in danger of being shut down.So several senators and others have joined together, they are appealing to the federal government to keep the base open.triffid
I watched the second show of "Cosmos" last Sunday and they talked about Titan having far more gas and oil than the earth ever did.On titan its so cold that water ice is frozen like granite.So a space elevator on titan is possible today with the materials we have already.So Exxo-Mobil can carve rooms out of solid water ice with a little heat and start shipping oil and gas from titan to earth a hundred years from now.
http://news.yahoo.com/russia-demands-ukraine-pay-back-11-billion-000927311.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russia-demands-ukraine-pay-back-11-billion-000927311.html)
So now we know that money was the reason Russia annexed Crimea.Read this:
Moscow (AFP) - Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev on Friday demanded Ukraine pay back $11 billion that he said Kiev had saved through discounted gas prices in return for hosting a Russian naval base in Crimea.
Related Stories
Ukraine owes the money because Crimea is now part of Russia and the two countries' 2010 lease agreement was now "subject to annulment," Medvedev said at a meeting of the Security Council.
http://news.yahoo.com/10-important-urls-every-single-google-user-needs-150613065.html Something for everyone maybe?
Just wanted to park this here.Anxious to demonstrate, Richardson leads me to a glass bowl full of water sitting on a shop table and attaches two insulated clamps, connected by three 12-volt batteries, to a graphite rod. When he lowers the rod into the water, it produces a bright white light -- the "electric arc" -- furiously sending bubbles to the surface. Richardson places a funnel over the bubbles and ignites the gas spewing out of the narrow end, producing a solid orange flame. That gas -- a combination of oxygen, hydrogen and carbon -- is Aqualene. He claims 100 volts can produce 1,000 cubic feet of Aqualene per hour.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists
Nasa study dated 14 March 2014.
Best,
This isn't exactly news - seems very similar to the conclusions of the Limits to Growth report of 1972. Anyway, check out this for a considered view of what life on the other side of growth could look like. It doesn't have to be catastrophe.http://www.greenhousethinktank.org/page.php?pageid (http://www.greenhousethinktank.org/page.php?pageid=postgrowth)=postgrowth (http://www.greenhousethinktank.org/page.php?pageid=postgrowth)
There are resources in space that could be tapped.With it only ten or less years in the future that space elevators could be built.I think we will survive,after all our ancestors were the brainy ones.I hope we take after them.triffid
Ancestors were brainy, we are greedy, selfish, rude and plain shortsighted. There are no ethics and morals left. This situation leads to disaster for any society.
We need to be tolerant, accomodating, compassionate and empathetic if we want to survive as a race.
Best,
Quote from: Google on March 22, 2014, 10:28:44 PM
Ancestors were brainy, we are greedy, selfish, rude and plain shortsighted. There are no ethics and morals left. This situation leads to disaster for any society.
We need to be tolerant, accomodating, compassionate and empathetic if we want to survive as a race.
Best,
Like this?
Quotehttp://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg393902/#msg393902
Google
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Re: ENERGY AMPLIFICATION
« Reply #4823 on: March 22, 2014, 01:43:46 PM »
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Another thing more one, it is not an incident by accident that my wife is pregnant and going to give
birth this Feb 14, 2013 and if someone or everyone want to give some financial
assistance, i think its not bad at all, and its a big blessing to me i guess. :)
I think if i had the money i need, maybe i can share another good toy of mine or maybe i'll give the real thing or the dream of everyone, who knows.
Tito L Oracion ;D
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★ Shameless lamer, you got down to beg for money from forum members in exchange for a circuit that you dont have.
★ By now you will b ready for 6th delivery and more snake oil bottles to sell to OU community.
Its good you are not seen around anymore.
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Hi Bob Smith,
When did I claim that I am not greedy, selfish etc. Actually I know that I am full of vices. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I know it and I have no shame in admitting it. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Come on Bob ! High time you get over Tito's free energy shock treatments of patronizing his HINTS.. ;D :D ;D ;D
You make me ROFL !! My cheek muscles ache by ROFLing so much. ;D ;D ;D ;D
But, on a serious note I need an anti entropy electricity generator like everyone lurking here and I will release it to the forums all over once I make it. Because that will be universe's gift to me and I will multiply my joy by giving it back to the universe.
Best,
Looking for ways to save money?Sometimes it doesn't take a brain to figure out something.
It can be a real simple thing.Just overlooked.http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/your-font-is-showing--student-comes-up-with-plan-to-save-u-s--big-bucks-192231144.html
DNA is an anti entropy generator .Its constantly making copies of itself.triffid
Another goody about Social Security. http://www.aarp.org/work/social-security/info-10-2012/can-i-get-social-security-and-unemployment-benefits-at-the-same-time.html?intcmp=Outbrain&obref=obnetwork
•Any benefits you get from unemployment insurance will not reduce your Social Security payments. That's because Social Security does not count unemployment benefits as earnings. So the benefits will not push you closer to earnings ceilings that trigger cuts in Social Security benefits for people ages 62 to 66.
Another moneysaving idea. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/this-could-be-big-abc-news/super-cheap-paper-microscope-could-save-millions-lives-133616732.html?vp=1 Cost 50 cents to a dollar to make and enlarge up to 2000 times.
Imagine if clinics in developing countries were equipped with an inexpensive yet durable tool that could help medical personnel identify and diagnose a variety of deadly diseases like Malaria, Chagas disease, or Leishmaniosis? For millions of people around the world waiting to be diagnosed and treated, such a tool could be a life-saver.
Manu Prakash, a professor at Stanford University and his students have developed a microscope out of a flat sheet of paper, a watch battery, LED, and optical units that when folded together, much like origami, creates a functional instrument with the resolution of 800 nanometers – basically magnifying an object up to 2,000 times.
Called Foldscope, the microscope is extremely inexpensive to manufacture, costing between fifty-cents and a dollar per instrument. And because the microscope is assembled primarily from paper and optical components the size of a grain of sand, it is virtually indestructible.
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Servers ok today it seems.It seems that hunger is growing in the USA.I watched a show on public tv about Raisin City ,Calif.The firuit and vetgetable pickers there make so little money that a quarter of the population are fed by foodbanks.And fully 23 % of all schoolkids in the USA are hungry.If kids don't eat they are sluggist,distracted and don't learn well.Some kids eat at school on friday and eat nothing over the weekend they said.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/extinct-animals-in-the-last-100-years.html (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/extinct-animals-in-the-last-100-years.html) It seems that these extinctions caused by humans and human activities would have a bearing on economics in the world at least.
i grew up knowing frogs but according to this article:
Scientific estimates suggest that around 70 species of frogs have been wiped off the planet as a result of climate change. And this is just the tip of the iceberg considering that several species of animals, including the penguins and polar bears, have become vulnerable to extinction as a result of this increase in global temperature. Extinction of animals due to global warming is a serious issue, which will just get severe with time and several species will bear the brunt of this unless we take the necessary precautions to save them.Read more at Buzzle: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/extinct-animals-in-the-last-100-years.html (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/extinct-animals-in-the-last-100-years.html)
Quote from: triffid on April 17, 2014, 12:21:31 PM
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/extinct-animals-in-the-last-100-years.html (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/extinct-animals-in-the-last-100-years.html) It seems that these extinctions caused by humans and human activities would have a bearing on economics in the world at least.
i grew up knowing frogs but according to this article:
Scientific estimates suggest that around 70 species of frogs have been wiped off the planet as a result of climate change. And this is just the tip of the iceberg considering that several species of animals, including the penguins and polar bears, have become vulnerable to extinction as a result of this increase in global temperature. Extinction of animals due to global warming is a serious issue, which will just get severe with time and several species will bear the brunt of this unless we take the necessary precautions to save them.Read more at Buzzle: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/extinct-animals-in-the-last-100-years.html (http://www.buzzle.com/articles/extinct-animals-in-the-last-100-years.html)
Hear, hear.
@All Trolls that are getting paid for derailing the quest for planet friendly energy alternatives, you have blood on your hands!
You are killing the planet which we borrowed from our children.
You are killing a lot of people/children because they cannot prepare for when disaster strikes.
Stop trolling and let people evolve to better beings!
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2013/04/water-worlds-surface/ here are new worlds to explore and someday take mastery over?Hopefully we will be better humans by the time we reach them.
Astronomers have found such a planetary system orbiting the star Kepler-62. This five-planet system has two worlds in the habitable zone — the distance from their star at which they receive enough light and warmth that liquid water could theoretically exist on their surfaces. Modeling by researchers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) suggests that both planets are water worlds, their surfaces completely covered by a global ocean with no land in sight.
"These planets are unlike anything in our solar system. They have endless oceans," said lead author Lisa Kaltenegger of the Max Planck Institute for Astronomy and the CfA. "There may be life there, but could it be technology-based like ours? Life on these worlds would be under water with no easy access to metals, to electricity, or fire for metallurgy.
The discovery raises the intriguing possibility that some star in our galaxy might be circled by two Earth-like worlds — planets with oceans and continents, where technologically advanced life could develop.
"Imagine looking through a telescope to see another world with life just a few million miles from your own. Or, having the capability to travel between them on a regular basis. I can't think of a more powerful motivation to become a space-faring society," said Sasselov.
So the human race may have countless worlds to reach out to.To travel to.To develop. I get excited thinking about all the lifeforms that may be there.triffid
As long as im not at the bottom of the food chain I might be willing to travel there.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-13/world-leading-25-hourly-wage-floor-roils-swiss-businesses-jobs.html.
25 dollars an hour for minimum wage would be the worlds highest min wage if passed.
The Swiss will vote in a national referendum May 18 on whether to create a minimum wage of 22 francs ($25) per hour, or 4,000 francs a month. While about 90 percent of workers in Switzerland already earn more than that, employers say setting Switzerland's first national wage floor would push up salaries throughout the economy. When adjusted for currency and purchasing power, it would be the highest minimum in the world.
Quote from: triffid on March 29, 2014, 06:14:35 PM
Another moneysaving idea. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/this-could-be-big-abc-news/super-cheap-paper-microscope-could-save-millions-lives-133616732.html?vp=1 Cost 50 cents to a dollar to make and enlarge up to 2000 times.
Imagine if clinics in developing countries were equipped with an inexpensive yet durable tool that could help medical personnel identify and diagnose a variety of deadly diseases like Malaria, Chagas disease, or Leishmaniosis? For millions of people around the world waiting to be diagnosed and treated, such a tool could be a life-saver.
Manu Prakash, a professor at Stanford University and his students have developed a microscope out of a flat sheet of paper, a watch battery, LED, and optical units that when folded together, much like origami, creates a functional instrument with the resolution of 800 nanometers – basically magnifying an object up to 2,000 times.
Called Foldscope, the microscope is extremely inexpensive to manufacture, costing between fifty-cents and a dollar per instrument. And because the microscope is assembled primarily from paper and optical components the size of a grain of sand, it is virtually indestructible.
Video on Ted Talks
http://boingboing.net/2014/03/10/bioengineer-builds-50-cent-pap.html
Bob
Quote from: triffid
25 dollars an hour for minimum wage would be the worlds highest min wage if passed.
$25.00 per hour in today's currency may seem like
a pile of "money." When adjusted for inflation it
is equivalent to $2.50 in 1960 dollars but the
buying power of $25.00 today for foodstuffs is
more like $1.50 in 1960 dollars.
We're losing ground.
I saw on tv today that a large percentage of recent college graduates make minimun
wage or less.I also saw that about 125 colleges or universities across the nation has started food banks for their students.The one I saw was in long island.
Gas bills too high?try spontaneous combustion! http://wildwoodsurvival.com/survival/fire/spontaneouscombustion/rbjul05/index.htm (http://wildwoodsurvival.com/survival/fire/spontaneouscombustion/rbjul05/index.html)
temps reached 808 degrees F.
http://beforeitsnews.com/astrology/2014/04/new-earth-discovered-habitable-planet-kepler-186f-could-sustain-life-2438326.html about 1800 new worlds discovered and about 20 might have liquid water in the goldilocks zone.New worlds for mankind to reach out to.
In today's discussion between Lyndon LaRouche and the national slate, Mr. LaRouche gets to the core of the current dismal situation the nation faces with the choice of either of the two leading
I have been reading an Amazing book by Dr. Teruo Higa(japanese person) who has come up with a means to resolve our worlds problems through effective microorganisms(EM).I took a semester of microbiology in college and then worked for two years in a microbiology lab in a hospital for two years so this book really speaks to me.Its Called"An Earth Saving Revolution"CC 1993 english translation CC 1996.here is a link to his work. http://www.emearth.com/
Zero Wastes Recycling
The co-founders of Emerald Earth, James McMath and Sabine Steinhardt, are very excited about the enormous recycling opportunities that this new EM Technology™ offers. James writes, "More than ever, it's time for these microscopic beings to do their magic on the Earth again! This is an incredible new technology that naturally cleans the environment without any negative side-effects. That's because it's the same technology that nature has been using for billions of years. The breakthrough is that we've learned to partner closer with nature. With Effective Microorganisms®, wastes will become a thing of the past. Virtually anything and everything can now be recycled to produce biofuels, organic foods, recycled water, non-toxic fertilizers, natural building materials, and a host of other sustainable byproducts. When I first learned of EM® many years ago, I often commented that this was 'the most important scientific discovery ever.' Today, I believe this to be true - more than ever.
it makes sense to me.nature recycles every atom on the planet,man needs to do the same thing.triffid
Triffid,
Many thanks for the hints and clues. A brief search
led to the web page which led to videos which resulted
in discovering how easy it is to make Lactic Acid Bacteria
(Lactobacillus.) Cultivate would be better than "make."
Very valuable knowledge for all gardeners and composters.
Quote from: bbem on April 17, 2014, 01:46:51 PM
Hear, hear.
@All Trolls that are getting paid for derailing the quest for planet friendly energy alternatives, you have blood on your hands!
You are killing the planet which we borrowed from our children.
You are killing a lot of people/children because they cannot prepare for when disaster strikes.
Stop trolling and let people evolve to better beings!
Yeah, bbem, I read what you said...
However, I know quite well that the ones---on this site, or elsewhere---who're foisting their cr@p on us may not
.....Give.....A.....Damn....about what we or other think. If they're being paid, then the ones paying them are the same inconsiderate jerks, as well.
Right. Is there an answer? the, the economy will eventually enter a political/social/commercial "tail spin" and that'll 'level the playing field' for just about everyone. Let's see them compete against everyone for food and water when public social services end forever, for everyone.
I do actually have an exit plan in place.
--Lee
Sea Monkey,When I studied microbiology in college we studied one microorganism at a time.When I worked in the microbiology lab in the hospital we were basically growing one culture at a time.EM is a system by which groups of microorganisms are used for fertilizer,herbicides,and even self tilling of the soils.So its a pretty radical departure from what I was taught.I did know that certain fungi could restore polluted lands(from oil) to where other plants could grow and even thrive.Now he says that EM can restore those polluted lands also.He says that even heavy metals can be rendered harmless.Part of my reason for being in this thread is to point out solutions to the worlds problems if I can find them.This EM method deserves watching.triffid
http://bokashicomposting.com/ (http://bokashicomposting.com/)
Why Bokashi?
It is versatile. You can compost all of your kitchen wastes including dairy, meat, and baked goods. Why throw any of that away?
No strong putrid odors.
No insects or rodents.
No nutrients are lost. Everything is contained within the system.
Minimal greenhouse gases are produced.
The bokashi process is compact. No need for a yard or large compost piles.
No turning necessary.
No need to worry about green to brown ratios.
The scraps are inoculated with beneficial microorganisms.
Worms great in conjunction with vermiculture.
It is easy. Even a child could do it.
Great for school projects.
They say the use of EM could feed an earth population of 20 billion.triffid
Looks like war is coming? http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/05/02/map-how-ukraine-and-russia-are-moving-toward-war/?tid=pm_world_pop (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/05/02/map-how-ukraine-and-russia-are-moving-toward-war/?tid=pm_world_pop)
With Ukrainian troops launching a major assault on a rebel stronghold Friday (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ukraine-army-launches-assault-on-rebel-stronghold/2014/05/02/b1c589e8-be8f-43a1-9927-13310c24b653_story.html?hpid=z1), just a day after Russian President Vladimir Putin warned Kiev to withdraw its troops from the east and south of the country (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/protesters-in-east-ukraine-storm-prosecutor-office/2014/05/01/bfe9b91c-d133-11e3-a714-be7e7f142085_story.html), it looks like the Ukraine crisis is entering a new stage.
As The Post's Michael Birnbaum reported from Moscow (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-to-ukraine-your-military-actions-are-criminal/2014/05/02/bd009b57-0ff4-403d-83a3-67f3f9db8908_story.html), "it seemed possible that even a small spark could ignite a tinderbox regional conflict."
What this? Pro-American Nazis burning people now in Ukraine:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ukraine-army-launches-assault-on-rebel-stronghold/2014/05/02/b1c589e8-be8f-43a1-9927-13310c24b653_story.html?hpid=z1)
http://dozor.kharkov.ua/content/docu...0%BA%20(2).bmp (http://dozor.kharkov.ua/content/documents/11504/1150333/images/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9%20%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BA%20%282%29.bmp)
http://dozor.kharkov.ua/themes/1001346/1150333.html (http://dozor.kharkov.ua/themes/1001346/1150333.html)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmqBn1TIcAE1T1-.jpg
It is normal for USA? Western world wants to invest in weapons, not in solving economic problems?
Quote from: Sergh on May 03, 2014, 07:45:28 AM
What this? Pro-American Nazis burning people now in Ukraine:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ukraine-army-launches-assault-on-rebel-stronghold/2014/05/02/b1c589e8-be8f-43a1-9927-13310c24b653_story.html?hpid=z1)
LATER REEDIT:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27274091
About the only military force that can stand up to the Russians is the American forces. If the Russians invade Crimean territory, this could escalate to a big regional conflict---with the EU becoming frightened that they'll be invaded, as well.
(snip)
It is normal for USA? Western world wants to invest in weapons, not in solving economic problems?
In a recent media article, thusly...
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/International/2014/May-04/255314-russian-bombers-fighter-jets-seen-over-crimea.ashx#axzz30mRAUE7f (http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/International/2014/May-04/255314-russian-bombers-fighter-jets-seen-over-crimea.ashx#axzz30mRAUE7f)
So then, Russian aircraft were seen flying over Crimean territory. I was told by a well informed individual that this whole scenario probably won't end well. The Russians won't back down---especially if their smartest thinkers with decision-making authority realize the game is about over for them. They may think: If they go down in terms of quality of life, they'll take others with them, if possible.
Very 'Russian' of them in their
MILITARY THINKING. Not to say anything against Crimean peasants. They didn't start what appears to be a full-fledged civil war in the making; outside forces like the Russian Political Establishment are more at fault.
Oh, well. Nothing we can do about it. All we can do is watch from a distance.
--Lee
BTW, the poll I started on the first page of this thread has 256 poll voters.
Those, like me, number over 51% of the votes that we say the economy will get worse. And it's been over 50% for months and months.
How did Crimea and now what is also the
eastern regions of The Ukraine become
parts of The Ukraine?
Those areas had been Russia for a very
long time and the inhabitants remain
Russian speaking. They were never asked
whether they wanted to be made part of
The Ukraine. It seems that there was never
any lawful process involved in the ceding of
that part of Russia to The Ukraine by Soviet
Dictatorship in the 50s.
By International Law, those regions should
still be legally Russia.
From Post #3675,
Quote
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/International/2014/May-04/255314-russian-bombers-fighter-jets-seen-over-crimea.ashx#axzz30mRAUE7f (http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/International/2014/May-04/255314-russian-bombers-fighter-jets-seen-over-crimea.ashx#axzz30mRAUE7f)
So then, Russian aircraft were seen flying over Crimean territory. I was told by a well informed individual that this whole scenario probably won't end well. The Russians won't back down---especially if their smartest thinkers with decision-making authority realize the game is about over for them. They may think: If they go down in terms of quality of life, they'll take others with them, if possible.
Very 'Russian' of them in their MILITARY THINKING.
Not to say anything against Crimean peasants. They didn't start what appears to be a full-fledged civil war in the making; outside forces like the Russian Political Establishment are more at fault.
Oh, well. Nothing we can do about it. All we can do is watch from a distance.
This is later-breaking news:
http://rt.com/news/157064-black-sea-fleet-deployment/ (http://rt.com/news/157064-black-sea-fleet-deployment/)
Another indication the this might get out of hand if something positive---anything!?!?!---is done to separate the opposing military factions.
--Lee
Russia now is not the Soviet Union of the past.
They've broken free from their external (non-
Russian) control and have undone the yoke of
Communism as it was imposed upon them by
Marxist/Leninist Jews.
It is for that reason, coupled with their ability
to circumvent IMF/Federal Reserve controls,
that the Zionist Controlled U.S.A./E.U./U.K.
are determined to subjugate Russia by forcing
it into war in The Ukraine.
The New World Order (Zionist Control of Planet
Earth) has planned to subjugate all nations in
order to end national sovereignty as the One
World Government of Jerusalem is made supreme.
What is soon to occur is not good for all inhabitants
of Planet Earth. There will be much destruction,
massive death and extreme brutality as the AGENDA
marches forward.
What has happened to Palestine and the Palestinians
is a foretaste of what is to come for the rest of
mankind who are not of "The Tribe."
Nazis in the Ukrainian government. Not in Russian.
Why does the U.S. support the Nazis? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH98iTYLrv4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH98iTYLrv4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#Ukraine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#Ukraine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp)
QuoteHe ran back and kicked a 19-year-old soldier nicknamed "Birdeye" who was manning the machine gun and who had killed about 12 of the prisoners and wounded several more. [19] The gunner, who was crying hysterically, said that the prisoners had tried to escape.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_liberation_reprisals
What seen in Dachau the harsh "Birdeye"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY)
http://counterpsy.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/wpid-ukraine-riots-3051013.jpg (http://counterpsy.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/wpid-ukraine-riots-3051013.jpg)
U.S. wants to start World War 3?
Hopes to win and get the world domination? U.S. wrong! Victory will not be anyone!:
Quote
Overkill: the ability to exterminate a population more than once. "Both the US and the Soviet Union now possess nuclear stockpiles large enough to exterminate mankind three or four - some say ten - times over" (Philip Noel-Baker, Nobel Peace Prize winner, 1971) .
http://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/82cab/index.html (http://www.bmartin.cc/pubs/82cab/index.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb)
I hear that the USA could be drawn into a war with Russia but like Sea Monkey pointed out Russia today is not the Soviet Union of the past.That said.I do think a lot of those in eastern Ukraine still think of themselves as Russians.I see nothing wrong with holding honest elections for these areas to determine their own destiny.http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/05/how-involved-should-us-be-in-ukraine-conflict/ (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/05/how-involved-should-us-be-in-ukraine-conflict/)
"We should be focused on avoiding a proxy war in Ukraine between the United States and Russia," Logan said, arguing the U.S. should stop taking on all of the world's problems.
Gardiner says there are important implications for the future of Europe. "Most European countries are deeply concerned ... the United States should be deeply concerned as well," Gardiner said. "The last thing the U.S. needs is for a newly imperialist Russia to emerge."
Gardiner predicts the U.S. could be drawn into a conflict in Europe if the Russians are allowed to get away with "naked aggression" in Ukraine.
Logan thinks the burden of protecting NATO allies from Moscow aggression must not fall solely on America's shoulders. European nations need to boost their own defense spending, which he says is already happening.
I watched the new Cosmos show last sunday night.According to the program we should avoid a new ice age for the next 50,000 years.And in 220 million years from now all of the continents will come back together in one supercontinent.So I try to imagine life 220 million years from now.Will humans be around?What about the next 50,000 years?Will man last that long?triffid
Personally I think 220 million years from now that the planet will be back in the hands of nature.And man will be the fossils being dug up.triffid
If we are not careful man will have only a brief interval on the earth.triffid
A million years is not much in the history of the earth.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on May 06, 2014, 04:50:46 PM
From Post #3675, This is later-breaking news:
http://rt.com/news/157064-black-sea-fleet-deployment/ (http://rt.com/news/157064-black-sea-fleet-deployment/)
Another indication the this might get out of hand if something positive---anything!?!?!---is done to separate the opposing military factions.
https://news.yahoo.com/how-putin-is-losing-in-crimea--a-reality-check-180005512.html (https://news.yahoo.com/how-putin-is-losing-in-crimea--a-reality-check-180005512.html)
Furthermore, in this article the author asserts that Russian aggression will probably unite the Europeans in a common defensive line and group to stop the Russians.
Anyone for a repeat of the Korean War; this time with different players?
The Russian economy is on a downward slope and if they fall apart economically, the whole civilized world is poised for up to, and including, another drastic depression.
--Lee
Regarding the Poll question at the top of the page:
Most in the world are probably now aware that
America prospers when there is war or threat of
war. America has become dependent upon war
as a means of stimulating the economy and
creating jobs.
Will the economy in America improve? That
depends upon whether the current effort to
create confrontation in The Ukraine succeeds
in hostility and war.
U.S. using Ukraine (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=97024)
Crime in Odessa (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=96922)
New York Times covers up atrocity (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=96975)
War is definitely in the plans of the West;
whether or not it comes quickly we shall
see.
Sea Monkey and big M,I agree with both of your statements.The USA will profit from more war and Russia is reigniting old tired alliances by making them aware there still is a tiger out in the woods.
I have some big news myself.I will be working on a generator made from a ceiling fan.
Go to u-tube and search for"ceiling fan to generator".My brother has already put his together and by hand spinning can get a high voltage of 20 volts and one half amp.Thats a ten watt generator made from parts easily obtained.So far the cost is slightly over one dollar a watt. Not counting time and labor.
I watched another "Cosmos" show last night and they talked about Michael Faraday.
They said that if he had not been born that we would still be in the 17th century.Because of his work in electricity and invention of the first electric motor he changed human history .So one man can make a difference.Three more cosmos shows to watch.triffid
I keep thinking of all the earth type worlds out there (about 20 so far that we know about ).If we discover one with oxygen on it there might be a big push to go to it. To try to settle it.So im dreaming.About worlds with just bacteria,no trees,no grass.
of course we could just work on mining non living worlds.How much easier to work in no gravity conditions.leave mars alone and just mine the Oort cloud.The space elevator will change everything about how we leave this planet.Only about ten years away from finding a material strong enough to use on the earth.The materials we already know about will work on the moon and mars and all the moons of jupiter and saturn.triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 12, 2014, 06:07:26 PM
I watched another "Cosmos" show last night and they talked about Michael Faraday.
They said that if he had not been born that we would still be in the 17th century.Because of his work in electricity and invention of the first electric motor he changed human history .So one man can make a difference.Three more cosmos shows to watch.triffid
Too much Darwinism for me, so I stopped watching it.
Quote from: triffid on May 12, 2014, 06:22:47 PM
I keep thinking of all the earth type worlds out there (about 20 so far that we know about ).If we discover one with oxygen on it there might be a big push to go to it. To try to settle it.So im dreaming.About worlds with just bacteria,no trees,no grass.
of course we could just work on mining non living worlds.How much easier to work in no gravity conditions.leave mars alone and just mine the Oort cloud.The space elevator will change everything about how we leave this planet.Only about ten years away from finding a material strong enough to use on the earth.The materials we already know about will work on the moon and mars and all the moons of jupiter and saturn.triffid
Stop dreaming and wake up. The people running things are destroying and perverting everything. Their goal is to wipe out most of humanity and anyone who doesn't know that hasn't been looking very hard.
They don't even hide it anymore. Check out the Georgia Guidestone and the book, " Ecoscience", and
" Ebola: and the coming Viruses".
I remember when I was a child in the late 60's. I was watching the news on TV talking about a child that had cancer. Doctors were flying in from around the world to look at the child. Now, the hospitals are full of them.
Research Operation Paperclip.
" Who can fail to see the need and importance of thus gradually coming to the establishment of a world
authority capable of taking effective action on the juridical and political planes? Delegates to international organizations, public officials, gentlemen of the press, teachers and educators - all of you
must realize that you have your part to play in the construction of a New World Order."
- Pope Paul VI "Populorum Progressio" March 26, 1967
They've been planning that stuff for a long, long, time...
Modern banking began in the mid 1600s.Goldsmiths were the early bankers of the European Renaissance.The goldsmith was custodian of the gold that people brought in.He paid a low interest rate for the borrowed money and lent it out at a higher rate.Borrowing and lending this way became so profitable that in time the Goldsmiths IOU,his liability,became a money form---a very significant step.Although the concept of money is about 4000 years old.Most of the banks we know today and their practices have evolved in the last 400 years.
As far as NWOs go.I believe it is just a bunch of idle talk just like the talk i heard recently about Canada and the USA merging to become one
country.Maybe but not likely.
I do think that jobs will continue to bleed from the USA.That most new jobs are part-time with no benefits.That the USA will get poorer while the rest of the world gets richer.Also I believe that wind and solar growth will continue in this country too.
As far as my dreaming goes.The same chemical elements are being found all over the universe.No matter what direction in the sky we look at
we see the same elements.So in my opinion life is all over the universe where water can exist in a liquid form.So maybe mankind spreading out to the stars is my dream but I am not alone.Those are others who share the same dream.A successful space elevator and just solar sailing can take us a long ways into the solar system.triffid
To: rc3po...RE:
RE: Your posted Reply #3690...
You're correct in what you say in the post of yours I just cited. A smart person can see these things going on, but smart people are more than merely scarce on the world scene. The really smart person should be smart enough to know what will happen if he 'rocks the boat', so to speak, and tries to point out the simple truth to the unwashed, uneducated, teeming masses of humanity:
To wit...The economy and Rule of Law will end in fairly short order, but not on any specific day in the future. It's going to happen, however. There are also trolls on this and other technical 'Web boards who add to the dischord to some extent.
The answer? More than one worldwide hot spot cna be a triggering point. Thusly...
http://www.voanews.com/content/crimean-secession-likely-to-spark-economic-disorder/1872264.html (http://www.voanews.com/content/crimean-secession-likely-to-spark-economic-disorder/1872264.html)
Right. Others have asked me on this thread (WilbyInbriated for example---I forgot exactly how to spell the word, but he knows who he is) 'When will this happen?'
I replied, then and now: Human free will, and my personal belief in karma, prevent me or anyone else---IMHO---from being more specific than I have been up to this point. It will absolutely happen because all the money that was borrowed up to this point is waaaaaaaaaay!! to much to be paid back, even if we live forever. (There should be an Internet article to this effect, archived somewhere.)
I recommend all of us be ready for anything in the future and also have an escape plan in place, if you think you need one. It's up to everyone to decide.
--Lee
The "analysis" done by Jamie Dettmer in the
VOA Article (http://www.voanews.com/content/crimean-secession-likely-to-spark-economic-disorder/1872264.html) is heavily flawed as is most
propaganda which originates from the "West."
The decision by the Crimeans to return to
Mother Russia was not the result of any
"invasion" by Russian Forces; nor was there
any influence imposed by Russia to help
determine the outcome of the popular vote.
The West has very dirty hands in this Ukraine
business and is doing its utmost with disinfo
propaganda to paint Russia as the bad guy.
It is all about, once again, doing what Israel
wants and trying to maintain the "PetroDollar"
as the World's Reserve Currency. Any nation
which has the capacity to use other than the
PetroDollar must be economically (or physically
as was the case with Iraq and Libya) destroyed.
Israel's plans for World Dominion are presently
being carried out by the military forces of the
West in compliance with orders from the Federal
Reserve and the Rothschild Banking System.
Yes, there will be an economic disaster for all
concerned, but is has been deemed a small price
to pay by the "Elites" to accomplish their goal.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 18, 2014, 06:59:17 PM
The "analysis" done by Jamie Dettmer in the
VOA Article (http://www.voanews.com/content/crimean-secession-likely-to-spark-economic-disorder/1872264.html) is heavily flawed as is most
propaganda which originates from the "West."
Okay, SeaMonkey, I'm ready for a debate, if you want one?
My rebuttal:
MeaMonkry said...
"The decision by the Crimeans to return to
Mother Russia was not the result of any
"invasion" by Russian Forces; nor was there
any influence imposed by Russia to help
determine the outcome of the popular vote."
Well, okay, I read the article you referred to. What I read sounded at least fairly straightforward to me. Look, I had distant Russian and Ukrainian ancestors and these people are something I can understand. The article indicated Russians my be saddled with the cost of maintaining the Ukrainian state and I agree. American economic sanctions may also have a negative effect on the region in that part of the world. Right. I agree. Is there some disagreement from you on this point, as such?
"The West has very dirty hands in this Ukraine
business and is doing its utmost with disinfo
propaganda to paint Russia as the bad guy."
Both the U.S.A. and Russia have been doing that to each other since the start of the Cold War, yes? What is new about this?
"It is all about, once again, doing what Israel
wants and trying to maintain the "PetroDollar"
as the World's Reserve Currency. Any nation
which has the capacity to use other than the
PetroDollar must be economically (or physically
as was the case with Iraq and Libya) destroyed."
Where did you learn of this? Can you cite a reference? And why is it you have to spout off that the Israelis is telling the American Gov't what to do?
Alright, look: I have a certain amount of info. in conjunction with my job that I myself can say...The Americans aren't the only ones who want to take over the world. Practically every country is an 'Elite' cadre of 'movers and shakers'. So you can be correct on that point. Certain right wing elements in the American Gov't are working toward a NWO scenario---but I've never known of any group as having taken over the whole planet by force.
"Yes, there will be an economic disaster for all
concerned, but is has been deemed a small price
to pay by the "Elites" to accomplish their goal."
They'll need a way to survive like anyone else. And, unless they have a space ship like the Nazis had at the end of WWII, they'll be under the same circumstances as everyone else. Well, there is supposed to be a base under a large mountain in the Rockies, I think. That's about all I can think of quickly that the 'Elites' can do in regard to the impending economic collapse that's coming.
That reference to Israel sounds more than a little racist to me. It's more personal, since I was born with genetic diseases that are found in Askenazi Jews in higher frequency than other ethnic groups.
The board Admin may want to watch SeaMonkey's posts in the future. Racist language isn't welcome here on this thread or on this 'Web Board, for that matter.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_OK
Where did you learn of this? Can you cite a reference?
And why is it you have to spout off that the Israelis is telling the American Gov't what to do?
Alright, look: I have a certain amount of info. in conjunction with my job that I myself can say...The Americans aren't the only ones who want to take over the world. Practically every country is an 'Elite' cadre of 'movers and shakers'. So you can be correct on that point. Certain right wing elements in the American Gov't are working toward a NWO scenario---but I've never known of any group as having taken over the whole planet by force.
I was inside the Beast, so to speak. American Policy
which includes Foreign Policy and Military Contingency
Planning is in the hands of Israeli/American Dual Citizens.
It has been so since 1910 with ever increasing purpose
to accommodate the State of Israel from its inception
to the present day support and subservience. The
American Government hasn't served the American People
for a very long time. The same is true of the European Union
and the United Kingdom with respect to their peoples.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_OK
They'll need a way to survive like anyone else. And, unless they have a space ship like the Nazis had at the end of WWII, they'll be under the same circumstances as everyone else. Well, there is supposed to be a base under a large mountain in the Rockies, I think. That's about all I can think of quickly that the 'Elites' can do in regard to the impending economic collapse that's coming.
Their preparations for survival have been
underway for several decades. What they
have constructed deep underground would
stagger the imagination of those who have
no knowledge.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_OK
That reference to Israel sounds more than a little racist to me. It's more personal, since I was born with genetic diseases that are found in Askenazi Jews in higher frequency than other ethnic groups.
The board Admin may want to watch SeaMonkey's posts in the future. Racist language isn't welcome here on this thread or on this 'Web Board, for that matter.
Accusations of Racism are for a purpose.Where it is coming from.Insights.More Insights.Truth from one who knows.The New World Order which is soon to arrive
is the brainchild of those who created the
State of Israel.
We must remember that Russia today is not
the Soviet Union of the past. The West has
effectively become the New Soviet Union.
There is Truth (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=97808) regarding the present state of
our World, its penchant for Wars and the
soon to come upon us economic disaster.
For some, perhaps many, this truth is fearful
or hard to deal with; the Power Structure is
constantly seeking to prevent this truth (http://migchels.wordpress.com/2014/05/19/why-do-people-have-difficulty-seeing-the-jewish-question/) from
being widely known.
Additional Insights (http://henrymakow.com/2014/05/hate-speech-laws-require-us.html).
At the core of the Federal Reserve's credibility is its insistence that it can hold interest rates low enough for long enough to ensure a complete economic recovery.
The reality may prove quite a bit different, particularly if current trends hold up.
Those low yields are critical for both the public and private sector—financing upwards of a trillion dollars a year in corporate borrowing as well as helping to contain financing costs for the government's $17.5 trillion debt.
But after nearly five months of a decline in yields that caught market participants almost completely off guard, talk is increasing that inflationary pressures are building and that yields may begin to rise in a way that could put the Fed behind the curve of market forces.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101697968?__source=yahoonews&par=yahoonews
The Fed's most recent projections are for GDP to grow in the 3 percent range for the next few years, yet it sees a need to keep its funds rate around zero.
Despite the Fed's hopes of continued low rates, the reality could see market structure get away from the Fed's actions.
We must understand that money itself has no inherent value. It is the people that use it to buy and supply goods who determine it's value. You can sit around and say that joe expert at such and such an exchange is saying that this is worth this or this is worth that. You can say that runaway inflation is certain and it is going to cause the dollar to collapse as it has been said over and over by the same experts predicting doom month after month then they got tired of doing it monthly so they started using like 3 month intervals and so on. But at the end of the day the only people that determine much of anything are the people who control "needs" not wants of life that cause inflation.
So what I am saying is inflation basically is a choice yes we can choose to accept inflation or we can choose not to accept it it is a daily battle those in certain positions wanting to force inflation for profit and those who refuse to accept inflation.
Lets face it the numbers are and have been staggering if you were to count all of the money out in savings offshore, the savings here and abroad elsewhere, and the digital amount of money out as debt as well as the national debt there is something like 100 trillion plus dollars out there right now as I write this these are the real hard facts of it all. Now am I saying that the dollar is too big to fail no I don't believe that either nothing ever is too big to fail but there is a ton of proof into what I am saying if you did your social economic research. Every country owns dollars some countries will only trade in dollars to be honest the US dollar is the worlds reserve currency. Will it ever lose that status it may some day being the worlds reserve currency is a double edged sword while it garners some security it also means that the availability of the US dollar HAS to be much larger than every other currency available today. Why does this matter one would ask well money like anything else by old standards should cause inflation as more and more of it is available. There are a couple of things that keep this from happening a couple of them I have already mentioned. If joe expert tells bobs bait shop that the plastic to make his fishing lures will be likely to triple in price within the next year a couple of things come into play here who is the one charging this much for raw materials no one as of yet right so if the plastic provider decides you know we have a good supply of plastic just from recycled materials from consumers so if we have to offset this cost a bit so that joe can continue business as usual we will. Or we can buy everything that Joe expert says and create inflation. But what is really the crazy thing here if Joe expert hadn't said anything what would really happen.
There are so many strings being pulled here behind the scenes that to accurately predict economics no matter how much you think you know or did know there is always the unknown. One good example of this is digital currency for instance if you have ever looked at this with a fairly extensive eye you would see that what I say is true people do in fact dictate the worth of something even the worth of the dollar it is not as easy to crash the economy and try to make a killing off of gold or silver or whatever Joe or Jane expert tells people they should invest in instead. It takes much more these days and this is a good thing just because something is rare does not always mean that it will have more value anymore. Value is determined by people who are willing to give something value and this is what is true and what will hold true for some time. I remember when collectors plates were all the rage and rare plates with serial numbers were worth all kinds of money but today things have changed they don't hold the same value as they once did. The same goes for sports cards there were like 2 competing magazines for sports cards these were considered expert opinion on how much something is worth. There was however an inherent problem with this as time went on the emergence of the internet showed us that you can say something is worth X but the truth of the matter is you may get more for it or you may get less than it this is the Y value. And why it is worth Y value could be a number of reasons some of these reasons are never totally understood. But you see this is what makes economics as well as life itself an interesting thing no matter how much you think you know or know you know the value of that will always be Y.
Do I think runaway inflation and economic collapse is possible sure but the thing is no matter how many straw man arguments we make here it is probably more likely that it won't cause even if it would we must think people need to live, drink, eat, provide for their families and themselves and no matter what it is the Y that will prevail in the end so total economic collapse in a sense is not a likely thing to happen actually less likely than people seem to predict all the time these economic experts that keep repetitively predicting this stuff should really take a look at things and realize that hey maybe I am not such an expert after all and instead of constantly predicting all of this negativity they should start thinking about predicting and investing their time into positive and constructive things to make the economic situation for everyone better for the for all show some love and support if they are sincerely concerned. We all are capable of anything and I am just as capable of making the same negative utterances that have went on for the last 3 years but don't you think its time that we all get a shovel and some dump trucks and start shoveling the negative crap we are constantly fed and hauling it somewhere to burn for a positive light.
Anything is possible the only constant that we may ever rely on in this reality is change and weather that change is good or that change is bad is really of no matter it is change and it is this journey through it all good or bad and how we face it and use it that gives it that Y value.
I am thankful for all I do have and what I am and I am hoping we all can grow our own way no matter what challenges we face please know that we all collectively contribute not only to the solution but to the problem as well and no matter what is imposed upon the will of man history shows that one cannot kill an idea.
Infringer,
You've given this much thought and have expressed
it well.
Quote from: Infringer
There are so many strings being pulled here behind the scenes that to accurately predict economics no matter how much you think you know or did know there is always the unknown.
Absolutely correct! The whole monetary/economic system
is really nothing more than a massive illusion that is heavily
manipulated. At least, those portions of it which are linked
to the IMF, the World Bank and the Federal Reserve.
Insightful political analysis (http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/05/22/russia-rise-to-global-power.html) of the situation in the Ukraine
and what it will mean in the coming months.
Contrary to what most Americans believe; the United
States is behind the turmoil.
The 911 disaster in New York City serves as a prelude
to what is yet to come. Those who are in control of
the World Governments are deadly serious about
eliminating the "cattle" or the "insects."
How Israel was enabled to accomplish 911 (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-nuclear-piracy-exposed/).
* The "cattle" and the "insects" are those who are
not among the "Chosen."
Food, or more precisely the lack of food (http://www.naturalnews.com/045369_World_Bank_food_riots_emergency_preparedness.html), will again be
used as a potent means of reducing the world's
population in preparation for the New World Order
government which will ultimately control all of the
remaining peoples.
Famine as a weapon has been tested in The Ukraine
as a trial run for what is to come; The Holodomor. (http://www.darkmoon.me/2014/ukraine-zionist-americas-new-jewish-colony-by-lasha-darkmoon/)
What is soon to come upon us will be a disaster for
the whole of Planet Earth...
Today I read that forty acres of land properly managed could feed a total of 600,000 people.Hunger is all about power.The issue is not really can the land support us?If there were just 10,000 people on the earth today there would still be someone going hungry.Bernie Karl of Chena Hot Springs in Alaska said that about the forty acres.triffid
You've hit the nail squarely on the head Triffid.
It is solely about Power and Dominance.
To get some idea what is sure to happen in the
next couple of years as the "chess match" goes
on for Total Control of the World digest this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvKucpTckjA&feature=player_embedded)
It's as if the United States has gone stark raving
mad in its pursuit of World Power. NATO has
assumed the "right" to do as it wishes anytime
and anyplace in the World to support the emergence
of the coming New World Order.
This will provide additional insights. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs1L4nVRWXM&feature=player_embedded)
The new Ukrainian president, a Obama friend, 2.06.14 shoots women from rocket plane.
Kiev Maidan - comrades happy (in comments).
USA wants Ukrainian shale gas?
http://da-dzi.livejournal.com/242896.html
Seamonkey,I did not know about the holodomor until you mentioned it and i chose to look it up to learn more about it.I am not in favor of hating any group of peopleunless it is deserved and then the bible preaches forgiveness.I guess thats so the living can move forward?Stalin was responsible for many,many deaths before his own.I can say Im glad he is gone.What he did still affects us today.triffid
Aye, Stalin and the others who were behind all of the
bloodlust of the Bolshevik Soviet Union are themselves
gone but, unfortunately, what they stood for and what
they desired lives on in others.
It is particularly disturbing in these times to see how
aggressive the United States has become in its desire
to control all of Planet Earth. The warmongering and
covert operations to destabilize nations in order to
take them over (Regime-Change) is unprecedented.
It is Satanic. As it was foretold it would be...
The tension has nearly reached the breaking point. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9_E22JqUQQ&feature=player_embedded)
Lies from America vs. Truth (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/06/06/lies-grow-audacious-paul-craig-roberts/)
Quote from: SeaMonkey on June 07, 2014, 05:11:39 PM
Lies from America vs. Truth (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/06/06/lies-grow-audacious-paul-craig-roberts/)
Some counterbalance for those who don't know and for those with somewhat short memory:
http://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/us-soviet (http://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/us-soviet)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease)
http://www.historynet.com/russias-life-saver-lend-lease-aid-to-the-ussr-in-world-war-ii-book-review.htm (http://www.historynet.com/russias-life-saver-lend-lease-aid-to-the-ussr-in-world-war-ii-book-review.htm)
also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatars)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Crimean_Tatars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Crimean_Tatars)
Thus, the truth is somewhat different.
The links you've provided Qwert are a good starting
point for those who want to get some understanding
of what has transpired in recent history. There is, of
course, much more to the story which is more difficult
to find as it's not included in the historical accounts
promoted by the western governments.
Provoking World War III
(http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/06/provoking-world-war-iii/)
It must be pointed out that the present United States
provocations intended to initiate warfare are not the
will of the American People. U.S. Foreign Policy and
War Planning is in the hands of what are known as NeoCons;
Israeli-American dual citizens who are using the U.S. as a
military enforcer for the goals, objectives and agenda of the
Rothschild Banking dynasty and the nation of Israel.
The coming New World Order is a Rothschild creation many,
many years in the making. It will be as brutal to the peoples
of the World as Israel is now to the Palestinians in Palestine.
All of what is coming has been foretold in prophecy.
And it must again be emphasized that Russia today is not the
Soviet Union. The Bolshevik Soviet Union was a Rothschild
creation financed by the Rothschild interests in New York City.
The Soviet Union was Jewish conceived and Jewish controlled
which explains its brutality and its genocide of the Russian and
Ukrainan peoples. Approximately 60 million were killed.
So, which one is better: American propaganda or Russian propaganda or, maybe Chinese propaganda? Snowden somehow misses USA (have you seen those news? http://news.yahoo.com/snowden-says-could-anywhere-home-002537360.html (http://news.yahoo.com/snowden-says-could-anywhere-home-002537360.html))... after only one year of exile.
Anyway, first thirty years of my life I've spent in a country of communist bloc, so I know Russian propaganda and Russian style propaganda.
Edward Snowden is not what he seems to be. This will
become obvious in the near future.
Propaganda, no matter the source, is never good for
anything. Seek Truth and love our neighbors as we
love ourselves. All are being deceived and know not
what they are doing.
Is what you are calling "Russian propaganda" in reality
Soviet propaganda? Russia today is going back to its
roots and cleaning up the mess created by the Soviets.
Not quite there yet but making progress.
SeaMonkey, you are clearly a product of Russian (Soviet) propaganda. How can you believe one liar and deny another liar?
You'll have to expand on that thought Qwert in
order for me to understand who the liars are.
America, at present, is full of liars from the top
down. American Politics is the Politics of the Lie.
Ok, SeaMonkey. Look at this: In Syria, Assad strikes his citizens whom he calls terrorists, extremists or whatever. In Ukraine is similar scene when present government strikes their own extremists. Putin backs Assad and does not back Ukrainians. Can you explain this? Why, in similar scene one is right while the other one is not (according to Putin)?
The anti-government (anti-Assad) terrorists in Syria are not
Syrians but are western-sponsored mercenaries from other
nations including the U.K. This is another U.S. Covert Operation
designed to de-stabilize Syria in order to accomplish Regime
Change. It's the chess-match Brzezinski discussed in his
books which outlined the game-plan for the West to gain
control over all of Planet Earth. Any nation which rejects
Rothschild banking and IMF loan/debt/austerity is targeted
for destruction and installation of Puppet Governments.
The turmoil in Ukraine was planned and executed by the U.S.
in order to overthrow the pro-Russian Ukrainian government
and install in its place a Jewish Puppet government which
would invite the West to assist its entry into the EU and
NATO. Again, Brzezinski strategy to encircle Russia and
eventually nullify its ability to respond to a nuclear first-strike.
Russia has so far resisted the provocation and avoided direct
confrontation. As American aggression increases this may
not continue.
The World's number one WarMonger at this present time is
the Rothschild/Israeli-controlled United States of America.
Those areas of The Ukraine, which were until 1954 Russia, may
yet decide to re-join Russia. Since they were ceded to The
Ukraine in a shady deal by Khrushchev at the behest of his
Jewish Masters it could come undone. The people in those
areas are Russian.
Putin well understands what the West is up to and is neutralizing
each move the West makes. Putin does not want war and
bloodshed.
I agree with SeaMonkey but would add that the "Jewish Masters/controllers" is a broad term and does describe many of the "humans" involved, they hire anyone t o do "jobs" though under many guises.
Russia is part of the U.N. Begrudgingly or maybe not, Putin is no saint, but no politicians are. He may even abandon the Russians in some area's for political or strategic gain. And "use" others.
But the fact remains the Ukraine crisis is of the very same ilk as Syria and Libya, although not so obvious, not middle eastern and no big oil fields. The Modus-Operendi of the Ukraine riots is the same with very suspicious civilian snipings, one person in particular behind a brick wall totally shielded from the police forces at Maiden but was shot dead outright, and the bullet trajectories point to "Hostile-Friendly fire", in a bid to send the situation "critical". causing both sides think the other is shooting at them but it is the "third party interference designed shootings". Also the nature of the shooting was also suspicious.
An analogy.
A kid throws a rock at another kid not looking and blames it on a third kid to get them to fight as a means to an end, basic stuff.
All the facts are there that suggest is all not as the western media and politicians would have us believe, it's far different.
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SeaMonkey, your rhetoric is at least strange: Assad destroys his country to punish the West, right? And I ask once again: when you have two liars, how do you recognize which one of them actually tells the truth?
Any country will destroy stuff in their own country to fight terrorists from other countries. No different in concept to the S.W.A.T bashing in peoples doors in pursuit of criminals.
When two parties are lying the best way is to ignore both and look at the evidence with logic. It's the only logical thing to do.
There should be no need to "believe" anyone.
In a lot of cases no outside party has any right or any authority to do anything to either party anyway, even if they are unbiased and want to help, It's like a kid judging a kid.
Ultimately Might is right, "might can mean (mighty of strategy or otherwise)".
If I (unarmed) walk up to a man with a gun and argue with him, then he shoots me dead the argument was "moot". He gets his way.
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I agree with you, Farmhand. In this rhetoric both Syria and Ukraine has equal right to destroy anybody whenever they see an enemy in such one. However, I can't resist to name SeaMonkey a Russian government agent: according to him, the Russian government is perfect entity, without any flaw.You are Russian right, SeaMonkey ("Land of the Weird and Home of the Slave" - his location at his profile)? Recently there are some elaborations in the net about Russian ordinary citizens, about why they see Putin's administration in so indiscriminative way.Like this: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/03/why-do-russians-support-interv-2014328174257483544.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/03/why-do-russians-support-interv-2014328174257483544.html)
Old rusty military weapon and equipment in Ukraine. Remaining from the USSR.
Much has passed in Metal scrap. Nothing new.
If Russia had helped the rebels they would have won a few hours.
No state aid from Russia.
Shale gas in Ukraine? Interestingly for the U.S. only. For the U.S. president and his friends:
QuoteFracking – the extraction of shale gas – was halted last year after it was linked to a series of tremors in Lancashire. Drilling companies hope a decision due soon will allow them to restart operations. But protesters say fracking can lead to water contamination, methane leaks and animals dying
QuoteYuzivska area is located in two regions: Donetsk (Krasnolymansky, Slovyansky, Olexandrivsky, Constantynivsky, Artemovsky, Dobropilsky and Yasinovatsky districts) and Kharkiv (Balakleysky, Izyumsky and Barvinkovsky districts). (http://shalegas.in.ua/en/shale-gas-resources-in-ukraine/)As of March 2013 Chevron is at the stage of approval of production sharing agreement by local authorities (http://shalegas.in.ua/en/shale-gas-resources-in-ukraine/)
(this is not "from Moskau", this is Ukrainian WEB-Site)
QuoteChevron and BP have all contributed more money to Obama than to McCain. (http://washingtonindependent.com/226/does-exxon-mobil-support-obama)
(this is not "from Moskau", this is western "The Washington independet" !!!)
The killing of civilians to eliminate opponents of gas production from the field. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC3kEeq6LmA)
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5863/campfrackprotestencamp0.jpg
Quote from: Qwert on June 08, 2014, 03:52:03 AM
Assad destroys his country to punish the West, right? And I ask once again: when you have two liars, how do you recognize which one of them actually tells the truth?
No, Assad is not destroying his country to punish the West.
As the just held election has indicated, the vast majority
of Syrians support Assad and are aware that the terror
being inflicted is from outside Syria by non-Syrian terrorists.
When faced with two liars how can you know which may be
telling Truth? Seek Truth from sources other than the two
liars. With today's internet finding Truth is easier than ever
in the history of man upon Planet Earth. Of course, the
internet is loaded with disinformation and untruth as well
so a great deal of discernment must be used. Verification
where possible is a necessity.
As we are entering into the time of the Apocalypse all
things hidden will be exposed to light. All of the dark and
dirty secrets of the ruling cabal will be made known. As
a consequence their actions will become even more brutal.
Mankind is facing very difficult and trying developments
as the corrupt governments self-destruct due to their
greed and lusts.
Quote from: Qwert on June 08, 2014, 04:39:11 AM
However, I can't resist to name SeaMonkey a Russian government agent: according to him, the Russian government is perfect entity, without any flaw.You are Russian right, SeaMonkey ("Land of the Weird and Home of the Slave" - his location at his profile)? Recently there are some elaborations in the net about Russian ordinary citizens, about why they see Putin's administration in so indiscriminative way.Like this: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/03/why-do-russians-support-interv-2014328174257483544.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/03/why-do-russians-support-interv-2014328174257483544.html)
I have great empathy for the Russian People as they have
suffered unbelievable brutalities at the hands of the
Jewish Bolsheviks during the early years of the U.S.S.R. when
millions were brutally murdered or starved as their society and
culture were being dismantled by the "Communists."
I am of Czech descent, not Russian, and am presently living
in the "Land of the Weird and Home of the Slave" which is
precisely what the United States of America has been
Trance-Formed into.
Putin is well aware that the troubles in The Ukraine have
been created by the U.S. in order to bait him into intervention.
It is a Trap intended to initiate World War 3.
The U.S. had hoped to force Russia from the Crimea and to
deny them the use of the Naval facility there and direct access
to the Black Sea as part of the game of destroying Russia.
That is also why the U.S. began the trouble in Syria in order to
deny Russia the use of its Naval facility there and deny access
to the Mediterranean. Russia's presence in Syria actually prevented
bombardment by the U.S. which was the original plan; similar to
how Afghanistan and Iraq particularly were destroyed by "Shock
and Awe" which is a Jewish tactic.
Quote from: Sergh on June 08, 2014, 02:45:56 PM
If Russia had helped the rebels they would have won a few hours.
No state aid from Russia.
It would be a very unwise government to help terrorists in an eye striking way: that way they would lose all international credibility which seems a very valuable quality for Putin and his administration. Behind that, the separatists' weaponry showed on pictures does not seem old and rusty. Russia helps in some other ways: maybe the most valuable, even more than any military equipment is the feeling of verbal support and quite unfriendly or even hostile affairs to the present Ukrainian government and treating separatists as victims, not assault militants. Seeing such support, separatists feel quite unpunishable.
Syria is the new Lebannon but with one problem :
more radical (Hisbollah) and poorer than the "Near East Paris" region !
Sunniten,Schiiten,Haschemiten,Ismaeliten,Drusen,orthodoxe Christen,katholische Christen,Protestanten,Juden,..... .
Media-Strategical( to be often in the news: for politician and their narcism), near Turkey and Israel and the oil estates !
And,the main point : all the U.N.Org.-Nations,especially China,are watching the movements between the U.S.A. (in-/outside) and Russia (in-/outside) to make their calculations for the future what their friend-/partner-ship will them cost !
SeaMonkey, I don't understand why you decided to stay in so unfriendly country, having access to the free world of such wonderful country of Russia ruled by so wonderful people. I have a question: have you been in Russia ever? And have you lived such an amount of time to get some experience from that? Putin's rhetorics reminds me Soviet Union rhetorics of my times.
I guess, you believe, all the truth comes from the most credible government on the planet earth: government of Russia. My congratulations to you!!!!! :-X :-X ??? ???
Qwert,as German I can tell you that between the President Obama and the President Putin there is political no real difference !
The only difference is inside the folk - not the administration !
Sincerely
OCWL
Russia has yet a long, long way to go but it is clearly
headed in the right direction.
Contrarily, the United States has departed from its
Constitution and Organic Principles and is embarked
upon a campaign of World Domination. Not to free
mankind or to spread true "democracy" but rather
a path of deception to further enslave mankind while
greatly reducing their numbers.
Look up into the skies. Those "persistent contrails"
are not there for a good purpose; they're up there
to slowly kill all that lives. The United States has chosen
to join Satan with plans to implement the New Order of
the World.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on June 08, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
Russia has yet a long, long way to go but it is clearly
headed in the right direction.
Contrarily, the United States has departed from its
Constitution and Organic Principles and is embarked
upon a campaign of World Domination. Not to free
mankind or to spread true "democracy" but rather
a path of deception to further enslave mankind while
greatly reducing their numbers.
Look up into the skies. Those "persistent contrails"
are not there for a good purpose; they're up there
to slowly kill all that lives. The United States has chosen
to join Satan with plans to implement the New Order of
the World.
Pardon,Seamonkey , but your words are also the persistent view since the menschewiki (White)versus bolschewiky(Reds) tempora and the "Weltverschwoerung".
My stepgrandfather,Portuguese , was also jewish and communist and rich !
Has he forgotten to make a real sample ? 8) ::) ;)
Quote from: lancaIV on June 08, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
My stepgrandfather,Portuguese , was also jewish and communist and rich !
Has he forgotten to make a real sample ? 8) ::) ;)
Sorry, I'm not getting the meaning of your question.
Could you ask again a little differently?
SeaMonkey, you see the US sky. Have you seen Russian sky? How do you know what it looks like and what kind of Satan lives there?
And once again: why you decided to stay in so unfriendly country?
Quote from: Qwert on June 08, 2014, 03:26:00 PM
It would be a very unwise government to help terrorists in an eye striking way: that way they would lose all international credibility which seems a very valuable quality for Putin and his administration. Behind that, the separatists' weaponry showed on pictures does not seem old and rusty. Russia helps in some other ways: maybe the most valuable, even more than any military equipment is the feeling of verbal support and quite unfriendly or even hostile affairs to the present Ukrainian government and treating separatists as victims, not assault militants. Seeing such support, separatists feel quite unpunishable.
You have not seen their warships. Have not seen them train. All rusty and old from Soviet Union.
Separatism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separatism) - is it's too bad?
QuoteGroups may have one or more motivations for separation, including:
- protection from ethnic cleansing and genocide. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separatism)
Ukrainian Nazionalisten on many internet-Forum happy if see that civilisten in southeastern Ukraine dead.
They are called rebels as "Colorado (http://mir-nasekomyh.ru/uploads/images/GalleryThumbs/369-1.jpg)beetles (http://mir-nasekomyh.ru/uploads/images/GalleryThumbs/369-1.jpg)". That they did not look that happy from Peoples death.
You ask a good question Qwert.
In Truth, all of the nations are presently under the influence
of Satan. Where we are matters not, so long as we strive to
avoid doing bad and show kindness to all peoples.
Change is coming which will be difficult for all who inhabit
Planet Earth; then Real Change will come which will be
very good for the whole Creation.
In the meantime we just watch with incredulity as the
chess game plays out and we feel great sorrow for those
who are in harm's way.
Fortunately, the end of the story will be a happy one
for those who love peace and good will.
U.S. Admits Sending Lethal Aid to Rebels (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=99033)
Qatar, Saudi Arabia Paying Militants (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=99027)
Syria: Dirty Lies and Black Deeds
(http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=99021)
Aleppo: The Death of a Once Rich Cit (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=99013)y
Refuting President Obama's Lies
(http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=99049)
SeaMonkey, in the above given links you provided, there are only BAD/NEGATIVE stories about USA and the West. Now show me links with GOOD/POSITIVE stories about Russia and the remaining of the world.
And once again: why you decided to stay in so unfriendly country? Do you have a kind of a special mission there? Take the example of E Snowden who left the country where he felt so badly.
Sergh, sorry, but I have some trouble to digest your points and this is rather because of the peculiarity of the English language you use. Or, rather the construction of this kind of English is somewhat incorrect, thus making it impossible to digest, at least for me. So, I suggest using an adviser or some kind of dictionary or even both.
In the Ukraine - if not unemployed - these are the yearly averaged earnings :
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2Fwirtschaft%2F2014-02%2FUkraine-Gehalt-Unterschiede&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zeit.de%2Fwirtschaft%2F2014-02%2FUkraine-Gehalt-Unterschiede&edit-text=)
Would you see for yourself,as single and wishing family starter a real future :
minimal life costs/income in a cold european region/city ? 1Person,2,3,4,... ?
This are real numbers !
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.: and about "political fakes" 1997 EU Barcelona-Conference-target:
2010 MareMediterranum-FreeTrade-Zone
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Feuropa.eu%2Flegislation_summaries%2Fexternal_relations%2Frelations_with_third_countries%2Fmediterranean_partner_countries%2Fr15001_de.htm&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Feuropa.eu%2Flegislation_summaries%2Fexternal_relations%2Frelations_with_third_countries%2Fmediterranean_partner_countries%2Fr15001_de.htm&edit-text=)
No FreeTrade ! Okay, "arabian spring" ! REVOLUTION !
Also a fake is the econo-political acceptance that foreign produced products
are labeld for example "Made in Germany","Made in U.S.A." and other countries when in reality only the packaging of ready to use f.e. chinese products f.e. in Germany ( or f.e. U.S.A.) give the allowance to label the total object as "Made in Germany","Made in -where you want"....
eco-political answer : ancestry proof for all components,incl. GPS -location
LancaIV, what's your point?
The first link is about discrepancy in average earnings in Ukrainian regions and shows that the West regions earn more comparing the East. So, it would be understandable if the Western Ukraine want to separate from the East and not share their earnings. And here is something quite opposite: East want to separate from the West; no comprehende for me.
Quote from: Qwert on June 09, 2014, 06:19:58 AM
LancaIV, what's your point?
The link is about discrepancy in average earnings in Ukrainian regions and the West regions earn more comparing the East. So, it would be understandable if the Western Ukraine want to separate from the East and not share their earnings. And here is something quite opposite: East want to separate from the West; no comprehende for me.
EU-Standards: Rationalization ! Dropping out 30% and more industrial "manpower" in the steel-/mining sector !
Comprende ,hombre ? ;)
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.: also understand the difference between reality and "fear visions" inputed also by
interests-/power-groups .org/media
and : No,not "Ukraine - a virtual sociological object" wants to separate hisself,
we are disussing about people/groups !
Quote from: lancaIV on June 09, 2014, 06:27:12 AM
EU-Standards: Rationalization ! Dropping out 30% and more industrial "manpower" in the steel-/mining sector !
Comprende ,hombre ? ;)
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.: also understand the difference between reality and "fear visions" inputed also by
interests-/power-groups .org/media
and : No,not "Ukraine - a virtual sociological object" wants to separate hisself,
we are disussing about people/groups !
Sorry, still no results. This texts are original German ones and the automatic translator translates words only, does not care about the German/English construction differences; thus it's quite hard to digest for me.
And in both texts I see nothing about steel/maining sectors of industry.
Qwert,please : be serious ! ??? :o ;)
we are not discussing about only one text-content
better
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUkraine&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUkraine&edit-text=)
where you can also read
The "language issue" is a controversial issue in Ukrainian politics. The oriented to RussiaParty of Regions (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partei_der_Regionen&usg=ALkJrhjPySVOsCFU9zyakmY5IKh-mnhkTA) and the Communist Party (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kommunistische_Partei_der_Ukraine&usg=ALkJrhhoNf6MkkA7YHw7QmjYwn6AGm1OjQ) are in favor of complete equality of Russian as a second official language. The "orange", Western-oriented parties around the former president Yushchenko (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiktor_Juschtschenko&usg=ALkJrhjel5kGuOwT4jvg_aGSzXHjoYT4fA) and Yulia Tymoshenko (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julija_Tymoschenko&usg=ALkJrhgRrXg7LfXC8lGJpk9_7HrBtl3bgw) and nationalist parties but this declined so far.
Under Viktor Yushchenko was an active Ukrainisierungspolitik (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainisierung&usg=ALkJrhi-8J29R_ylCOUMn03Rp5_PTwACUg) operated, such as the Russian was forced back into schools and in everyday life and introduced a number of measures that should promote the use of the Ukrainian language. However, the 2010 elected president Yanukovych raised many of these measures again, while the opposition to Yulia Tymoshenko protested vehemently. [25] (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine&usg=ALkJrhhroUhXI_BITdMVK6Gc-h_-a6Sr8g#cite_note-25)
how act your para-/sympaticus as Ukrainian/Russian ?
Ukrainisierungspolitik = other word -often used - Saeuberungspolitik
Fremd-Gen-ozid
Ukrainisierung- Krai-nisierung Arisierung
Links-orientierter oder Rechts-orientierter
Swastika-Polarisierung
With the dissolution of the Soviet Union (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_der_Sowjetunion&usg=ALkJrhgDCPdanaGbJINa3i9hNBY7OG24yQ#Aufl.C3.B6sung_der_Sowjetunion) , Ukraine gained in December 1991 after a referendum with 90.3% support their national independence. Since then, it seeks its national identity and international role between a Western orientation, such as integration into the European Union (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europ%25C3%25A4ische_Union&usg=ALkJrhi0RfMMyKahKN795NDBw1IWbATUzA) , and an eastern orientation, ie a political orientation towards Russia. The Ukraine has suffered since independence under heavy economic and demographic problems. Since its independence, the population dropped by more than 6.25 million people. [36] (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine&usg=ALkJrhhroUhXI_BITdMVK6Gc-h_-a6Sr8g#cite_note-demoscope-36) on the economic efficiency of the Soviet Union could not be achieved since then. The gross domestic product of Ukraine reached in 2012 only 69.3% of the value of 1990. [37] (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine&usg=ALkJrhhroUhXI_BITdMVK6Gc-h_-a6Sr8g#cite_note-37)[/font][/size]
comparing with our experience and remarks
1.view :
1989
Do you know how many % workers in the G.D.R. has been
- related the F.R.G./E.U.-economical/social standarts -
obsolet ?
2.view :
2014
Do you know the South-Espain unemployment quote ? Age related ?
much seasonal working( hotel/agro)
3.view :
How many employment is ukrainian estate sector related ?
privatization since the glasnost/perestroika
now what do you think about Ukraine habitants behaviour :
innerestate migration ? emigration ?
Disillusionized receiving something like "HartzIV" /E.U.-budget spended ?
LancaIV, how these articles are relative to the issues of Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine? Or to the Ukraine-Russia relations? Or maybe there are some other important relations?
If you want me to be serious in such discussion, you have to provide a link to the particular issue (it is possible); otherwise it can take weeks to read all the content of a site and I still will not be sure what kind of an issue (which article) was/is on your mind.
this is right - your statement : otherwise it can take weeks to read all the content of a site
I lived in such a content : East/West Conflict
I studied ex-and internal that global social contents
so I like to discuss with informated people who knows the difference between
to live in front or behind
Todesschutzstreifen/Eiserne Vorhang
with fear : big MFS/KGB is watching you
and the economical condition
waiting hours/days/week(-s)/months to buy something what if not personally usefull can be bartered
Qwert,do you only want to entertain me/us ?
Qwert,
At the governmental levels the United States of America
has been Trance-Formed into a Beast which has brutal
designs on what remains of the Free-World; that part of
the World which is still free from the stranglehold of the
IMF/Rothschild/Federal Reserve systems of enslavement.
On the other hand the People of the United States are
just like the People everywhere on Planet Earth - essentially
good People who work with integrity to promote good will
and peace.
Our international problems and wars are never caused by
the People, but are always the actions of the Ruling Elites
who crave Power and Control as well as their Love of Money
and their Opulent lifestyles.
Unfortunately, most of the People do not know how to properly
interpret World Events as presented via the the propagandized
Media which is completely controlled by Big Money and their mission
is to cover the lies and make government look good.
Those of us who love Truth must do what we are able to make
the Truth known to those who have fallen victim to the lies of
the media.
There is abundant Truth to be found on the internet regarding
the changes which are slowly taking place in Russia which are
meant to overcome the brutalities of the Soviet Regime. Many
Russians have not yet fully awakened to the True Source of their
horrendous difficulties under Soviet Rule. There is, however, reason
for optimism. Russia is moving towards what the United States of
America long ago stood for while the United States of America is
morphing into a replica of the old Soviet Union.
Be aware of who created the Soviet Union and how those same
entities are resurrecting it in the nations of the West.
Washington's Iron Curtain in Ukraine
(http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=99089)The Coverup that Lives On
(http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=99056)
Is it not amazing how one small Middle-Eastern Rogue Nation
is able to wield control over Europe and the U.S.?
Saber Rattling for War (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=99075)
SeaMonkey, this time I fully agree with you, both about the West and USA, and about Russia. This time I can't find anything else to add. Everything you are talking about in this last post, I already know I guess. Until 1981 I lived in Poland and I know what it is the Soviet Union methods and I am able to compare that with present days Russian methods of suppression; and yes, the methods I find today in the USA in some cases remind me those I have already know from Poland of communist era. But in today's world, I find USA and some Western countries the most suitable places for my needs to live. Even despite the fact that Poland already isn't a communist party, I find USA still better place to live over Poland. On the other hand, in my opinion, Russia, especially Putin's Russia I consider still long way behind Poland and some former communist countries as a place for comfortable life where freedom rules.
Edit:
Meanwhile you added some text/links. The source of these links dwells in a country where the freedom of speech is a constitutional right and these rights here are respected despite those negatives about the West and allies. I can't imagine any similar site with negative texts against government on Russian soil. Do you? Can you find a site with negative texts about Russian government which is located in Russia? This is the reason I don't visit such sites: I don't find counterparts.
Qwert,
For only having lived in America since 1981 your English is
very good! You've assimilated well.
Chicago is an interesting city. I was in Chicago three times
in May of 1960 while at Navy Boot Camp at Recruit Training
Command, Great Lakes, Illinois.
For the time being there is still considerable freedom of speech
in the U.S. although that is slowly being eroded and is certainly
under threat from the ruling elite. In Europe freedom of speech
is severely restricted and many politicians in the U.S. want the
same sort of restrictions imposed upon speech here.
I don't expect those countries like Russia to exhibit the same
freedoms so soon in their transition to something better than
they were - it may take some time. Soviet Programming and Mind
Control doesn't go away quickly. It may take decades to fully
overcome.
Constitutional limitations of power of the federal government have
been craftily overcome through the creation of NUMBERED LEGAL
PERSONS who are given a NAME derived from the Name of the
Citizen. Most Courts in the U.S. will not permit the Constitution or
Constitutional Rights to be raised as a protection. Common Law
has been usurped by Contract Law, Corporation Law and the Law
of the Sea. More and more the People are screwed.
Lawyers, as Officers of the Courts, are beholden to the Courts and
their Rules and very often (too often) have a Love of Money which
greatly exceeds any concerns they may have for their clients.
In the United States most politicians are Lawyers. Most politicians
are liars. Most politicians are crooked. Most politicians believe they
are above the Law.
Obama's "Change" has been bad news...
My experience during Gromyko/Jaruzelski/Breschniew aera:
visiting the German.Democratic ::) .Republik and the eastern family members
http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgov.genealogy.net%2Fitem%2Fmap%2FDINADTJO51DH&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgov.genealogy.net%2Fitem%2Fshow%2FDINADTJO51DH&h=177&w=215&tbnid=RoY6lJ1dHFb8GM%3A&zoom=1&docid=HgrQwrkrBI5ybM&itg=1&ei=G1SWU5ixA8jN7Ab5-oCIDw&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=1303&page=1&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=0CEEQrQMwBg (http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgov.genealogy.net%2Fitem%2Fmap%2FDINADTJO51DH&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgov.genealogy.net%2Fitem%2Fshow%2FDINADTJO51DH&h=177&w=215&tbnid=RoY6lJ1dHFb8GM%3A&zoom=1&docid=HgrQwrkrBI5ybM&itg=1&ei=G1SWU5ixA8jN7Ab5-oCIDw&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=1303&page=1&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=0CEEQrQMwBg)
Buying cheaply very good written scientifical books and a chemical experiment box .
But the spanish Franco-aera with the paramilitaric guardia civil was not better than the living conditions during the east german Honecker/Stoph regime !
nomen et omen : democratic
Sincerely
OCWL
p.s.: about lawyers: my portuguese grandfather was judge by the Supreme Court
It just shows me I need a dry hole to build a good fire in.triffid (https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2FSmileys%2Fdefault%2Fsmiley.gif&hash=f8f8faa5737a843fa5f3e4af986c18073b26d5a4) (http://xn--2014-43dl9cps4a.xn--p1ai)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj_hCvxo4bU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj_hCvxo4bU)
It seems just want to destroy the city. To punish their citizens. That then do not interfere produce shale gas and make Profit for Chevron.
Sergh, look how destroyed city, INTENTIONALLY DESTROYED looks like:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+destroyed+city+of+syria&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb (https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+destroyed+city+of+syria&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb)
And president Putin's administration backs that regime which does that.
Your example shows just one building slightly DAMAGED, not destroyed; looks like UN-INTENTIONAL damage, probably by some kind of an error. There are even workers with heavy equipment trying to fix that; it would be rather impossible to fix if it was destroyed. And guess why it happens only in eastern part of the Ukraine? Because there are pro-Russian terrorists. And Russian government would do the same IF something like that happen on Russian territory. Remember Chechnya?
From the news about Ukrainian Army members leaving military posts, desertion, etc., I see that that army is absolutely NOT prepared for any kind of military intervention. And Russian media and Russian government insist that they are or were prepared by USA and/or the West. What kind of a logic is that?
Sarajewo
Grozny
Liberec
Guernica
Hiroshima
Nagasaki
Human KATA-STROPHEN -tourism/sightseeing
radix-radical
cruel
in all of us is holly and hell potential
we can give and take life
YES WE CAN
Actually we are in the "never more war"-moment untill the next war
DaDaIsm-Situation
included political and economical self-overestimation
U.S.A. + Sowjetunion 1950 : 330 Mill. "young"habitants 2500 Mill. habitants :world
U.S.A. + Russia 2014 : 360 Mill. "old" 7000 Mill.
U.S.A. + Sowjetunion 1950 : 2 Bill. G.K.-$ 5,35 Bill G.K.-$ :world
U.S.A. + Russia 2013 : 19Trill. PPP 74 Trill. PPP
Source: OECD http://browse.oecdbookshop.org/oecd/pdfs/free/4101015e.pdf (http://browse.oecdbookshop.org/oecd/pdfs/free/4101015e.pdf)
G.K.$ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geary–Khamis_dollar
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_L (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_L)änder_nach_Bruttoinlandsprodukt
PPP purchaising power parity
Quote from: Qwert on June 10, 2014, 08:12:35 AM
From the news about Ukrainian Army members leaving military posts, desertion, etc., I see that that army is absolutely NOT prepared for any kind of military intervention. And Russian media and Russian government insist that they are or were prepared by USA and/or the West. What kind of a logic is that?
When the U.S. caused the uprisings which resulted in
Regime Change in The Ukraine, it was hoped that Russia
would intervene militarily.
The U.S. and NATO had made advance preparations to
turn The Ukraine into another killing field which would
ultimately lead to direct confrontation with Russia.
This is the chess-game strategy which was conceived to
eliminate any possible capability by Russia and China
to oppose military take-over of all of the nations on the
planet. Soviet (Jewish-American) military strategy is to
brutally crush all opposition before it can become strong
enough to interfere with its plans for domination.
That is why the U.S. will no doubt make the first strike with
nuclear weapons. Billions more will die in the bloodlust
that is about to usher in the New Order of the World.
You must admit, SeaMonkey, the USA is the best intelligence in the world: they are FIRST everywhere. And Russia ALWAYS learns TOO LATE (poor Russia :( ). So, my choice is with those who are the best.
Qwert,
I certainly do understand why you may think as you do
and it is true that the U.S. of A. has enormous resources
and capabilities.
As the world situation unfolds it is entirely possible that
you may change your mind.
The bad guys are very, very good at making themselves
look like the good guys.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on June 11, 2014, 12:59:02 AM
Qwert,
I certainly do understand why you may think as you do
and it is true that the U.S. of A. has enormous resources
and capabilities.
As the world situation unfolds it is entirely possible that
you may change your mind.
The bad guys are very, very good at making themselves
look like the good guys.
Or you may change yours.
Quote from: Qwert on June 10, 2014, 08:12:35 AM
Sergh, look how destroyed city, INTENTIONALLY DESTROYED looks like:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+destroyed+city+of+syria&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb (https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+destroyed+city+of+syria&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb)
And president Putin's administration backs that regime which does that.
Das ist Normal? Wenn heorst Du so was, in seine Stadt?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JukLXoL6M9M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JukLXoL6M9M)
Departure of refugees from Ukraine to Russia. They damn the Ukrainian president.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy-p9sEGhog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy-p9sEGhog)
Quote from: Sergh on June 11, 2014, 11:13:34 AM
Das ist Normal? Wenn heorst Du so was, in seine Stadt?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JukLXoL6M9M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JukLXoL6M9M)
Departure of refugees from Ukraine to Russia. They damn the Ukrainian president.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy-p9sEGhog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy-p9sEGhog)
Who says it's normal? This particular situation is almost identical in Syria and in Ukraine: both governments strike terrorists. Only Putin's administration supports only that one in Syria and not that one in Ukraine. Thus I wanted to show you Putin's hypocrisy.
Anyway, deportations are nothing new in more or less recent Russian history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union)
And youtube links you show are not even deportations.
Quote from: Qwert on June 11, 2014, 12:12:59 PM
Who says it's normal? This particular situation is almost identical in Syria and in Ukraine: both governments strike terrorists. Only Putin's administration supports only that one in Syria and not that one in Ukraine. Thus I wanted to show you Putin's hypocrisy.
Anyway, deportations are nothing new in more or less recent Russian history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union)
And youtube links you show are not even deportations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JukLXoL6M9M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JukLXoL6M9M)
Departure=Abfart?
Wo sind die Terrorist? In Bus? Oder Putin Busfahrer? Oder Putin dort flight in Flugzeug?
Separatisten - wir sind alle hier separatisten, am solchem Foren.
When shooting in people, they want to escape.
Where are the terrorist? In bus? Or Putin bus driver? Or Putin there flight in an airplane?
Separatists - we are all separatist here, at such forums.
Quote from: Qwert on June 11, 2014, 12:01:22 AM
You must admit, SeaMonkey, the USA is the best intelligence in the world: they are FIRST everywhere. And Russia ALWAYS learns TOO LATE (poor Russia :( ). So, my choice is with those who are the best.
Qwert, I am African ( Okay, europide African).
For me Europe is nice,the North-America like the South-America is nice,Africa is nice,......
I learned like many other students in school about Ost/West (East/West)Auseinandersetzung(conflict)
and the North/South-economy exchange trade rule(U.N.-N./S. comission) :
giving 1 unit and taking 3 units
and that beside the Eastblock and Westblock has been the Blockfree Estates ( political leader-ship Indira Ghandi/Tito)
"the U.S.A. is the best intelligence in the world" : if your statement is real,
than this 52 estates-confederation does not show it !
"They are First everywhere"
habitants ? No ! PRC ( not including NRC) or India
PPP ? No ! PRC ( not including NRC)
Leased intelligence : Clearly,here the U.S.A. is First !
Taking away all green-card students from everywhere of the world : ?
Campus M.I.T.,Harvard,Yale,Kelloggs,Stanford,UCLA,......
Many african leaders studied in american universities ( no acceptance problem : also in Europe)
and later become "dicatators" !
What did they learned in the U.S. about the american way of life ?
In Europe ?
Saudi-Arabia(Wahabiten-monarchy) is financing the Al-qaeda -organisation :
World Trade Center Towers complex bomb trial I : +/- 1992
What learned the N.Y.P.D/F.B.I. about this group behaviour ?
U.S.-external: the Central Intelligence Agency
Are the U.S. citizens only speaking about home-land security ?
home-land : Biko,Biko ! Welcome in a Great SOWETO,unvisible Apartheid ?
What is the easier way : constructing or destroying : common worlwide answer ?
From a.males b. females ?
When the old "empires" will have to pay for their ancient relative actions (included Voelkermord )
U.N.-General Secretary Kofi Annan;Durban,HumanRights Conference: "Not here,not yet !"
about reparation payments
Where ? When ?
how much do you think is the value estimation for each destroyed life/ c.v. :
a.20.000$ /b.2.000.000$ like the Ex-President G.W.Bush qoted the a.life value from an Afghani related to the b.life value of an U.S. american citizen after an US Army massaker:
this is "free speech" of RACISM, a "HERRENMENSCH 1.KLASSE"
NATIONALLIBERALISMUS :
paid with Gold-/Silver-Dollar-Coins ?
or F.E.D.-bonds=note/-s=debits
Afghanis financing indirectly financing the US-estates budget :o : ;D ;D ;D
Gringo joke,First Class !
Really intelligent !
More deaths,more budget !
P.V.P. People Value Parity from native Polonian view
ex-Poland habitant
Mexican/U.S. NAFTA
Canadian/U.S. NAFTA
Polonian/U.S. NATO
Germany/US NATO
Free Trade it ! We ,european, do it also well !
Human rights and Human obligations
tit for tat
and by a next international Superestates(nuclear arsenal) war conflict
the father (of all bombs)
greats
the mother (of all bombs)
balance of power : thermobarisch beantwortet
missiles can not read : red cruises on roofs
but are intelligent like INTEL MMX weapons especially when
they explode in their own silo or torpedo-channel
Striking: NO WAR !
wifi hacker missile system entering: impossible !
impossible ?
Toy- oda ? Nichts ist .......
Now is the point to return
lancalV,
You have much wisdom and understanding and a
very healthy respect for Truth.
The so-called "leaders" of the nations are all members
of Secret Societies and to some extent are working together
to bring about the New Order of the World.
They do have differences and spats amongst themselves
but are generally in agreement with the AGENDA.
The United States of America has been taken over by some
very bad "leaders." Most Americans are not yet able to see
this Truth.
How the United States of America is being made into a Beast. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=99180)
LancaIV, try this:
1. Rewrite this text in your language to be understandable for you.
2. Use a translator from that language into English and put there your text. Here is such translator: https://translate.google.com/ (https://translate.google.com/)
You know, I absolutely don't understand your expressions. I hope this way it'll work better.
You can call these people terrorists?
They do not hide as civilians.
They sit in the trenches and wear military uniforms.
They do not do explosions in the cities during the marathon.
They do not capture the cinemas.
They fight against the invaders.
Correct to call them rebels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jITMsEU_984#t=38
Qwert,I can do a linear and structurized conversion with you-without the help from an automatic translator-if there is a really need !
But sometimes your are giving statements -and this as emigrant(ex-Polska)imigrant(in-U.S.A)-which are question-valid and this means that there would be the need to discuss all the several
no-common positions !
First : the highest triangle-roof point ? dialectic "Fuerst"~Duke ?
Best: = aristocratic , by scientifical approvement ?
"America" and U.S.America are european given expressions( I mean by the Kartograph Waidenmueller honoring Americos Vespuccis expeditions ),
"Dollar" the dialectic/vulgar expression from the original european(german) expression "Thaler"(Joachims-Thal: Thaler not "salar=sold but Tal=Valley related) from which silver-mines the precious metal was transformed to the "KarlV"- Thaler and theretime representing the Silver-standart
( Gold was strictly only allowed to the "nobilitas").
mostly the U.S. citizen are using symbols period-originaer from the european culture:
showing a cultury "melting pot",amalgam !
And also -without doubts- the mostly used symbols from the european culture is not geographical defined "continental Europe" original , also imported from the Near/Far East,mainly Mesopotamien -another melting pot region- with the ancient capital "Babel/Babylonia(near Bagdad/Iraque)".
"Europe"-self means : "old world"eurasian-shelf west part (sun down)
"Asia":"old world"eurasian-east-shelf part (sun rise)
Fix-view-point: Fenike
I did my comments fragments-shortly,only sorted and not text-structure organized and without time-table cause there is no fixpoint,temporarly and no geographicly, in this actual discussion :
are we judging the geral world situation or one specific ,regional/bilateral,fall ?!
Which region and which kind of politics ?
is the one from us in the advocatus angelii and the other in the advocatus diabolii position or are we all the gremium-judges or are we the un-/guilty active/passive cruel/misinterpreted actors ?
Is behind the defined "as crime accused action" the reformation of an ancient standart/moral !
Common written or habits "iure" or individual "self-justice" ?
Law and order : U.N.-Charta ? NATO/ASEAN/......-Charta/Constitution ?
Is it allowed-by law and or moral -to dictate/order a minority to assimilate themself with the majority -living art- rules ?
Priority(representing common sense) : U.N. -Charta
We see several fundamentalism movements worldwide and as example named :
Taliban and Tea Party : GOD-Guerilla Taliban prefer the expression All(u)a'h ,I think so ::)
But using the written-spoken rules like "I know and I (k)now" also here there is a question:
GOD and ? dialectic: GO'SH~VOICE or (G)OZ with the sin(n) of Oz-eanus/Okeanos ?
The MAR and MAR-IA culture ,you know !
Asking a "rassul/slang"-Guerilla and a "Tea Party"-Guerilla (guerra=war) ?
Would we probably receive an ironic "Boston legal"-answer ? ;)
I hope,with now (-without kappa-) a little more structure you understand that the correct view point of discussing is for me and for you and all of us ever immanent !
If I am mentionally wrong than corect me !
With my best regards
O-left sided 0-right sided 0-above sided
Aye,Aye,Aye
OCWL
p.s.: All(uor U)AH
they are writing from right to left ,like today the most citizen of Palastina/Palatina/Israel
but do they mean
a. lua the moon which is defined in portuguese as female subject ,a lua,
in german as male subject ,der Mond
or means it
Al-lA H.( h for holly/saint/sana) a common "Be same/Eben- Mirror-/Spiegel/espelho-image"
K and the KK
the kappa the kaffa(r) the pilgrim the way to become "ES"(S.Freud)-same/similar
which ? the double K (-Zwillingsposition) X >T<
Reflektion
Do you find a logic ? animus animalis bestialis refering an old greecian/gregorian
My life and philosophy is also inspired by pytagorean harmony rules and
the E.(I.)Kant-Principle:
the 11th.Kategory followed by the 10.kategories ,the Deka-log,
the natural fundamental laws of the "tit for tat" which makes part of all modern law
constitutions:
11.,shortly : Just do it ! Execute ! Strictly ? ;)
You are nat-ive ,normally living out your life based by the fairness principle,too(or not ? -more?) :
like russians,ukrainians,americans,germans,morros(Morocco/Maroc),..... .
The (w)right to exist and the (w)right to leave
included the (w)right to make faults and devotion
Also facts/laws/thesis flexibility :
written and spoken: like Morroco and Maroc
Baal and Bool (bowl)
and Kyrills v~b (male hear-organ,the ears, deficience possibilty: mono-or polyacoustic )
Meso-pot-amien Baal- Balbek-Bal(Val) as Dach=Tect(sin:Himmel~HEAVEN)/Pro-Tect-ion
GOD-monotheistic,but not human,UNIvERSE/ALL Acceptable !
sym-bolic: GOD,as husband of her GODNESS AISHA Acceptable !
sym-bolic: Poly-GODNESSES: ZEUS/NEPTUN,HERA,APHRODTE,..... Acceptable !
Theology or Teleology ?
Between A(The Beginning) and Z(The End) is an endless creation story
Ergo: Theology and Teleology
Life is a mythical Methodology : you only decides about truth,your personal truth
probably you will find it as reality
probably you are wrong
probably it shall be wrong -for that moment and your objects
But- as you mean : you are living with the best ( not best-ia so GOD will/demands)
and you also can see f.e. the australian Constitutional Court judgement and final decision
with the rekapitulation of more than 400 years "white men invasion" and indigene/aboriginal folk
treatment:
reformation of the confederation estates ownership : the souveranity/authority back to the
aboriginal folk
probably your actual "home" is also only "from eternal-juridical view " leased
Re-Patriation ? Do you really think that you and all the other emigrants are wellcomed on the
cruiser-ship "EUROPA" ?
Quote from: Sergh on June 12, 2014, 04:36:39 AM
You can call these people terrorists?
They do not hide as civilians.
They sit in the trenches and wear military uniforms.
They do not do explosions in the cities during the marathon.
They do not capture the cinemas.
They fight against the invaders.
Correct to call them rebels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jITMsEU_984#t=38 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jITMsEU_984#t=38)
They are terrorists because they are civilians actively using military equipment (weaponry).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_conflict_in_Ukraine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_conflict_in_Ukraine)
Imagine now, that something like that happens in Russia, not in Ukraine... Putin's reaction?...
LancaIV, here is the spot where our discussion starts:
http://www.overunity.com/8010/i-see-an-economic-diasater-coming/msg405527/#msg405527
Quote from: Qwert on June 12, 2014, 09:35:14 AM
They are terrorists because they are civilians actively using military equipment (weaponry).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_terrorism)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_conflict_in_Ukraine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_conflict_in_Ukraine)
Imagine now, that something like that happens in Russia, not in Ukraine... Putin's reaction?...
And then who the rebels? Do you think that the rebels nowhere fundamentally impossible?
Or rebels is only possible where it is favorable for the U.S.?
Crimea was donated to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic from first secretary of the CPSU Khrushchev 50 years ago.
Now there is no longer a Soviet Union and the Communist Party (CPSU).
In Crimea, the locals are always talking in Russian and perceived it as Russian .
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDie_Physiker&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDie_Physiker&edit-text=)
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inhaltsangabe.de%2Fkafka%2Fder-prozess%2F&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inhaltsangabe.de%2Fkafka%2Fder-prozess%2F&edit-text=)
http://www.gradesaver.com/fahrenheit-451/study-guide/short-summary/ (http://www.gradesaver.com/fahrenheit-451/study-guide/short-summary/)
http://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/n/1984/summary-and-analysis/part-1-chapter-1 (http://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/n/1984/summary-and-analysis/part-1-chapter-1)
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Day_After_ (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThe_Day_After_)
Something changed in the last decades ?
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ruhrbarone.de%2Ffriedrich-durrenmatt-21-punkte-zu-den-physikern%2F24789&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ruhrbarone.de%2Ffriedrich-durrenmatt-21-punkte-zu-den-physikern%2F24789&edit-text=)
also valid in real life
the possible best-better-good-satisfying-bad-worser-worst cases scene/scenario
was-case is-case will be- cases by
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_Popcorn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_Popcorn)
John Naisbitt,Amory Lovins,......
Europe lost over the last 200 Years economically ( I mean real economy) of importance cause
the Millions of hectar of "free" agraric useable farmland worlwide.
The Landlords became not more such important and there has been ever the possibility for
european citizens to emigrate to such "new homelands" like
Southafrica,Australia,Canada,U.S.A.,Newzealand,Argentina,Brasil and other more.
What will happen when in future actually "precious" values will become cloneable like
Gold(ORMES) Platinum et cet.,
Diamonds(Graphit-Plasma-Smelter) and other gems(chemical composits:minerals)
Old school-Paintings and Sculpture (scan/Printer)
the mining potential led reach deeps of 100 Km and more : rock melting Plasma-torch
earth rock also called Granit,deposit of Uran,Thorium,Gold,Copper, et cet.
moon,planets exploration
Technology led us give physical development potentials and time-parallel psychological
value-pyramide destroy potentials.
But social ranking/rating classification does not interest me .
Cheap Aluminium( torpedo) ,cement/concrete and Graphit as fuel,.....
When approved/reviewed and certified profession(12 semester) education content will
be chip-great
( like MMX, University-docents knowledge in a "compressed holography"-Transistor -
implantable like today discotheque-clients do it ) ; with neuronal interface
Actually there are 2 Billions of humans with free menpower-capacity,
they could self-serve their familiar daily greenfood needs in less than 1 hour ( 2,5 qm ea.)and
offer several hours for the community by barter-conditions ( PPP,barter-units)
Globally/Orbital there is not a physical material existence crisis
Sincerely
OCWL
ORMEs :
the production costs estimation 10$ per ounze ,cheap for Bill. of sqm of 24h-working eCells.
Quote from: Sergh on June 12, 2014, 11:27:16 AM
And then who the rebels? Do you think that the rebels nowhere fundamentally impossible?
Or rebels is only possible where it is favorable for the U.S.?
Crimea was donated to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic from first secretary of the CPSU Khrushchev 50 years ago.
Now there is no longer a Soviet Union and the Communist Party (CPSU).
In Crimea, the locals are always talking in Russian and perceived it as Russian .
Sergh,
Your interpretation is correct and truthful.
"Terrorist" as used today is a politically loaded term
of propaganda.
Modern Terrorism is a Jewish invention much utilized by
the West. Look to see who is controlling the real terrorists
and who provides them with their necessities.
Not Jewish but dirty money makers. This have no nationality.
Ukraine uses illegal phosphorous bombs against the rebels:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbQgS4uq_9A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbQgS4uq_9A)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm0lYpxJMgA
Such weapons Ukraine has not received after the collapse of the USSR.
Probable delivery from the U.S.
Men of the West, you pay it out of your taxes.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=99204 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=99204). looks like Russia is actually pulling away from the US Dollar.
Theres been a lot of discussion here the last week!Now Iraq is back in the news.No big surprise there.The US pulls out the miliants come back in.triffid
Quote from: Sergh on June 12, 2014, 07:01:43 PM
Ukraine uses illegal phosphorous bombs against the rebels:
As does Israel in its attacks against Gaza and Lebanon.
Sergh,what shall I understand under "New Order" ?
To make the "above ten thousands hirarchy" thinking obsolet ?
Taking away "individual profile" patrimony and making it to "open source" ?
individual: single,brothers with actual names f.e. like [Koch] [Mueller ] [Smith] et cet.
What do you think if the "New World Order" is used with scientifical result and tests
also from "jewish "scientists and making this to "open standart and normation" what
will also destroy the importance of religion like having "Judentum"
-tum : the rituals/behaviour
or Christen-tum et cet.
What if the "New World Order" is an universal assimilation ?
Making the use of rich and poors with the same technology which you find in the
medical emergency rooms :open/presented without secrets
declassification as "New ( World ) Order" : "Confusion " ?
better as "New World Standart"
If I ,Obama,Putin,Merkel ,Peres,Castro,Kim, individuell " Rothschild" and "Cohens"s
Buffett,"Franzisco/Bento"
- we die -
there will be ever a day after
Why not
making obsolet this ridicoulos "world system" as to see represented as small modell called "North-Korea"
"No frontier" more and "Egalization"
"camera obscura"
science at first with "fictive act" vision-book-movie
best / worst case
scene/scenario
a.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zardoz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zardoz)
.......
z. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Apes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Apes)
science tools:
www.europeanlibrary.org (http://www.europeanlibrary.org)
www.epo.org (http://www.epo.org)
and the 11. "KATEGORIC IMPERATIVE": work it out
life art nouveax avec ou CON FUSION
beginning partially to make fiction real
one problem : subjective and objective view-points
misinterpretations potentials
how fast ? how much ?
wished ? feared ?
Pro-/Anti-Motiv-ation Motiv=Science Fiction Example
without individual own invitation/motivation : no entering
up-down-view : -90% time and material and capacity lost : C.C. Jung "Mariendorf" with individual own invitation/motivation :
down-up-view : 900% time gain compared with"old world techniques" order behaviour
Paretto-Zwillings-Pyramiden-Paradoxon: -90% =+900 Who stoled the 0 ? ::) ;) :)
Bolschiwiky ? Menschiwiky ? Or: Herr Niemand ?
the "VIEW POINT PARADOXON"
Edit:
without above "Sergh" correction : not Sergh but ,pardon moi, Seamonkey as "letter"receiver !
We have -each of us- also to controle ourselfes ,also that we are not-fault-free !
Sowjet ~Raete~advicers~elders : which programatic under which constitution rules co-/r-/relation ?
U.S.A.-Sowjet ,Germany-Sowjet,China-Sowjet; the U.N.-Sowjets :
controling the "view point paradoxon" risks and consequences ?
bolsa/Boerse : J.K.G. "The Crash of 1929"
"The Wall" : We do need more education
Analphabetism to Alphabetism
We do need more thought controle
Anarchy to Archy
Not for the bad,for the good
against self-destruction
depends clearly also from our coach/es (life-live and
R.I.P. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Carnegie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Carnegie))
and "Elders" and their theory/practizising approaches
Qwert,it is my personal paradoxon, I want to deliver you my points and statement but actually:
Null Bock ! I appologize you: Laaaaatttttttttttttteeeeeeerrrrrrr !
Do not ask me when !
Motivation priority: 10.22 am breakfast !
GOD~Time
tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence)
giving back the leased VOTE and delegated potential
for individual self-decision
adultry: age-number/genus independant
INFRA et ULTRA
Wie im Kleinem so Im Grossem
Zyklus
f.e. Doll Baby difference : time-table
Mimikry
New World
With sacrificing and fatalism
winnings and losts
Science reality example: Eike Batista
What did he win and what did he lost in this short period ?
credo(credere) et credito(creditare)
Himmel Erde
Anti-Materie Materie
About Moral and Tradition
Is this statement important ?
Credo in Deum,Patrem omnipotentem,Creatorem caeli et terrae.Et in Iesum Christum,Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum:qui conceptus est de Spiritu Sancto,natus ex Maria Virgine,passus sub Pontio Pilato,crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus,descendit ad inferos:tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;ascendit ad caelos;sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis:inde venturus estiudicare vivos et mortuos.Credo in Spiritum Sanctum,sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam,Sanctorum communionem,remissionem peccatorum,carnis resurrectionem,vitam aeternam.Amen.
here a tool/"virtual machine" to translate it: https://translate.google.de (https://translate.google.de)
But gives the translation/transduction the right 2014 meanings ?
From judaic/jewish,i'slamic,catholic view points ?
Is this statement a danger ?
Martin Luther translated the Bibel with the effect of a 30 years war-conflict and a cission from the unilateral catholic-romanic church (there has been other cisions before),Reformation:
1618-1648
and this,the mission/program/order:
http://www.bechhaus.de/hintergrund/vaterunser.html (http://www.bechhaus.de/hintergrund/vaterunser.html)
Is this order a danger ?
Is this order an AXIOM ?
"Father/Pater" : Deus-philosophy of the romanic-catholic church
before and past 31.12.1999
new reformation through Carol Woytila as H.Pope and the congression:
F.de.Assisi view point
Influence into the above statement and order ? only romanic-catholic church internal ?
Ukraine : "estate"religion conflict ?
Irak : "estate"religion conflict ?
Nigeria : "estate" religion conflict ?
.......................................................
Where is your church ,violator ?
The church(written) spoken "kersch" : die Kirche=die Gemeinschaft
Dom/e= the dominion,the community
The Arch/e : das Schiff spiritual: the -ship- as friend-ship
What is your Arch(e)-content ?
Arch-ive: Bibel a.c and Bibliotheque p.c. c= the view point
Tora
Koran
Babylon
Alexandria
................
credere et temptare et repetere:scire
Courage for the Mute
Pro-cession ~ Pro-gression
Con-gression
And officielly the church administration denied the G.Galilei results for more than 500 years,
internal the scientifical theologic church members worked under G.Galilei conditions
There is always an external and internal "Amen"o/-O
Traum versus Trauma (before,after)
Is the future I/II calculateable/programable !
tool : Monte Carlo-Process -Method
first development and use by
Marquis de Laplace
during the Absolutism and
as "estate lottery"
called Roulette
The same Math used today as scientifical tool
and in the finance sector
Question :
with or without Space-time-Paradoxon conditioning,limited or unlimited :
Free-/Space Free-/Time
This is also for the FE-machine the ?:!
chance/risk parity: under-unity = <100% like all machines-efficiency
highest chance/lowest risk : pair 18/37 and unpair 18/37
investment-method :
10X1, 10X2,10X3 ... step
only impair field,18/37 :
I. 10 units 1.trial result : win or lost ?
1. if winning= the first cycle-game is closed ; new game-cycle =new beginning with 10 units
if lost new trial with 20 units
if winning=closing of the first cycle-game= new beginning with 10 units
if lost new trial with 30 units
Result : virtuell Roulette -Program as tool
from 10X.... to 20X... from ......X1 to ......X10 ......X20 .....X30 ......
...
Real and virtuell net- crash ?
No !
there is much and enough "dirty" money for the "money washing machine"
This is the professional gamer tool/method !
daily 1/2,3,...10/20/30....Dollar/PPP-winnings are for many "une quantité négliable" but for
somebody from the "1Dollar or PPP-per-day member-ship " the entry for a better life for themself
and his living aerea
and clearly : it is also possible to play time-parallel with pair and unpair :
but each win close each trial-cycle ergo a "new begin"
Quote from: Sergh on June 12, 2014, 07:01:43 PM
Not Jewish but dirty money makers. This have no nationality.
Ukraine uses illegal phosphorous bombs against the rebels:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbQgS4uq_9A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbQgS4uq_9A)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm0lYpxJMgA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm0lYpxJMgA)
Such weapons Ukraine has not received after the collapse of the USSR.
Probable delivery from the U.S.
Men of the West, you pay it out of your taxes.
Your appeal here on this forum is in vain: presently only 3 (three), maybe four individuals visit this sick discussion. I have lots of friends and nobody, I repeat: NOBODY of them had ever heard about this forum; when I try to convince them into, they usually start making circles on their foreheads with their index fingers.
Videos are about alleged Ukrainian phosphorus bombs; however, they don't show bombs' effects: burned people or other things, animals, plants, etc., people complaining such effects. Oops, there is one (separatist?); but he does not look much scared of that fact, the TV announcer in Russian studio looks more scared.
Quote from: Sergh on June 12, 2014, 07:01:43 PM
Not Jewish but dirty money makers. This have no nationality.
We live under a jewish supremacism. They identify themselves as jews so should we.
Either we identify our enemy and combat it or we'll perish. Can people handle the truth no matter how many movies watched of the so-called holocaust?
If we don't act as adults there is no future for us and in a sense we will deserve it.
Quote from: bugler on June 13, 2014, 12:15:51 PM
We live under a jewish supremacism. They identify themselves as jews so should we.
Either we identify our enemy and combat it or we'll perish. Can people handle the truth no matter how many movies watched of the so-called holocaust?
If we don't act as adults there is no future for us and in a sense we will deserve it.
Believe me, i prefer being under present Jewish supremacy over present Russian one: I've experienced both.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Hammurapi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Hammurapi)
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCodex_Hammurapi&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCodex_Hammurapi&edit-text=)
the first "stone-eternal" written "-log" codex : law and order
Artefact
not directly "jewish" but near Avrahams [Abra(h)ams] homested
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real jewish economical influence in 30 years (for each generation) steps :
Forbes /Fortune list 2014,1986,1956
http://www.forbes.com/lists/ (http://www.forbes.com/lists/)
http://fortune.com/fortune500/wal-mart-stores-inc-1/ (http://fortune.com/fortune500/wal-mart-stores-inc-1/)
minority
real jewish cultural influence
for the U.S.A. movie and TV sector:
majority
(including: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology))
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the change as project
André Marie Ampére
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbert_Wiener (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbert_Wiener)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_method)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminster_Fuller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminster_Fuller)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Jon_Pearce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Jon_Pearce)
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not conspiracy and no complot cause "open source"
not rumor but program
not "directly" jewish cause c(h)ristian order
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c(h)ristian = reformiertes/konvertiertes Judentum vulgo Christen
Scheiß-Juden=Scheiß-Christen=Scheiß-.........
from ma(s)chine-view no difference
Gut-Jude= Gut-Christ=Gut-........
from ma(s)chine-view no difference
but clearly, Mensch-view-point dependant
Paradoxon- neutralisation: Mensch-Maschine view point
lyrical: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDH-Ocs-Dj4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDH-Ocs-Dj4)
8) Egalité Fraternité Liberté 8)
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The last "spot": https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#hl=de&q=future+2050 (https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#hl=de&q=future+2050)
2051
........
http://www.motherearthliving.com/mother-earth-living/self-sufficient-living-zmfz12sozmel.aspx#axzz34YILavWp (http://www.motherearthliving.com/mother-earth-living/self-sufficient-living-zmfz12sozmel.aspx#axzz34YILavWp)
self-sufficient-living: "no matter where you live !"
http://www.planetaryrenewal.org (http://www.planetaryrenewal.org)
http://aveuropa.net eco-villages
Quote from: Qwert on June 13, 2014, 11:34:13 AM
Your appeal here on this forum is in vain: presently only 3 (three), maybe four individuals visit this sick discussion. I have lots of friends and nobody, I repeat: NOBODY of them had ever heard about this forum; when I try to convince them into, they usually start making circles on their foreheads with their index fingers.
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Sergh userid=339
197 Pages from 2005
Quote from: Qwert on June 13, 2014, 12:28:26 PM
Believe me, i prefer being under present Jewish supremacy over present Russian one: I've experienced both.
You might be surprised to learn that the russian dictatorship was actually also a jewish one (as documented by declassify CIA documents). Lenin the jews murdered 19 million christian russians. Stalin (also jewish though it is denied) another 44 million christians.
The jewish supremacism is global. Please research the topic. You can start by David Duke's book "Jewish supremacism" o Douglas Reed's book "The controversy of Zion".
Quote from: bugler on June 13, 2014, 04:21:25 PM
You might be surprised to learn that the russian dictatorship was actually also a jewish one (as documented by declassify CIA documents). Lenin the jews murdered 19 million christian russians. Stalin (also jewish though it is denied) another 44 million christians.
The jewish supremacism is global. Please research the topic. You can start by David Duke's book "Jewish supremacism" o Douglas Reed's book "The controversy of Zion".
What do you know - about the construction from the "RMS Titanic" and the second ship
"RMS Southampton ? And the intentions from Winston Churchill ?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic)
- about this historical year:
http://www.chroniknet.de/daly_de.0.html?year=1914&month=0&day=12 (http://www.chroniknet.de/daly_de.0.html?year=1914&month=0&day=12)
Lenins entry to Russia and organized Revolution was financed by whom/which german institution ?
(I was personally-a little- surprised :o )
cause
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ku.de%2F%3Fid%3D4719&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ku.de%2F%3Fid%3D4719&edit-text=)
das deutsche kaiserliche Kriegsministerium
fuer das Ausloeschen(Exodus) ???
der russischen Kaiserfamilie Romanow :-\
mitverantwortlich ! :P
Inklusive Anastasia ! :'(
Ausgefuehrt von Herren,adelig : ach, wie t-adelig ! ;D
Aber,wir sind ja alle adelig,einige mehr -einige weniger :-[
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FIus_primae_noctis&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FIus_primae_noctis&edit-text=)
( Back to the feudalism? :-* No ? a little feudalism ? :-[ No ? Was frag ich dich eigentlich ;D )
genetische Stammbaumforschung DNA/DNS gibt naehere Info ::)
The declassification from documents,normally : 30 years
or by fire 8)
Quote from: bugler on June 13, 2014, 04:21:25 PM
You might be surprised to learn that the russian dictatorship was actually also a jewish one (as documented by declassify CIA documents). Lenin the jews murdered 19 million christian russians. Stalin (also jewish though it is denied) another 44 million christians.
The jewish supremacism is global. Please research the topic. You can start by David Duke's book "Jewish supremacism" o Douglas Reed's book "The controversy of Zion".
I'm not surprised, I know history. From your points, looks like pervert Putin's administration also has Jewish roots? Obama too? I'm Christian but I'm not scared of Jews whenever I live in the USA. I would be scared in Russia I believe: Russia is more effective using Jewish methods.
Quote from: Sergh on June 13, 2014, 04:05:12 PM
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Sergh userid=339
197 Pages from 2005
Those are usually eastern European frustrates, like you and me. They rather won't fight for you; they like to talk only, nothing else. I do this because I have lots of a spare time and this frustrates me.
LancaIV, do you really want us to see all those links you provide? I can't promise you to do that even though I have lots of spare time.
Qwert,you are absolutely right with your statement :
very much Space-Time,free Space-Time shall be used !
I am since more than 30 years approving theory and praxis/practizising results !
Since the ninetees with the help from the internet-network.
genetische Stammbaum:
193X
the law of probability
Poland
"Arier"-Nachweis
Dr.Mengele( probably also jewish ancients !?)
Family-Name:parents/grandparents/..... /Adoption ?
2014
DNA-test ( f.e. insurance)
review
the law of probability of surviving
Devotion ?
I know that my portuguese step-grandfather was jewish,not practizing the religion !
I know that "Protestanten" were seen like Parias here in the rom.-catholic dominated Portugal.
I know that my german father was dekades-long in an anti-jewish behaviour .
I know that my father worked against the Dekalog but called himself rom.-catholic .
I know that my german grandfather was soldier and ...... (?) during the Polenfeldzug.
I know that my portuguese grandfather was judge and roman-catholic,not practizing the religion !
"so wahr mir Gott helfe" ?
Qwert, we are all for "Transparency International" ! Or not ?
Outside and inside !
And all this links are "open source" also :
an official international U.N. actionprogamm
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cairo-2015.de%2Findex.php%3Fid%3D29&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cairo-2015.de%2Findex.php%3Fid%3D29&edit-text=)
And I can say : if my own DNA-test would show "jewish"-roots I would only think : Na und !?
Illness-potentials are for the Gen.-next more important ! And about the insurance rate !
Quote from: lancaIV on June 13, 2014, 06:38:48 PM
Qwert,you are absolutely right with your statement :
very much Space-Time,free Space-Time shall be used !
I am since more than 30 years approving theory and praxis/practizising results !
Since the ninetees with the help from the internet-network.
genetische Stammbaum:
193X
the law of probability
Poland
"Arier"-Nachweis
Dr.Mengele( probably also jewish ancients !?)
Family-Name:parents/grandparents/..... /Adoption ?
2014
DNA-test ( f.e. insurance)
review
the law of probability of surviving
Devotion ?
LancaIV:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele)
This source doesn't indicate Mengele's ancestry, that I can see.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitlerjew.html (https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitlerjew.html)
This one indicates there is some possibility that he was Jewisk, since his haplotype, E1b1b1 (another source says, "E1b1b"), can be found in Ashkenazi and Shephardic Jews, as well as some North African desert-dwelling tribesmen.
I myself had female ancestors whose fathers had haplotypes like J1, J1a, and J2---and these groups aren't found amongst native European ethnic populations. They originated in the Middle East and came to Europe by more than one wave of outside settlers or invaders.
I also have found I have torsional dystonia:
http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=45016 (http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=45016)
Right. I do take a muscle-relaxing medication and it works well for me.
Finally, I also have Asperger's Syndrome:
Well, I looked at 'Web-blogging sites on this subject and I thought these people were more than a little ignorant about the subject. BAD enough, that I've decided not to post and example of those uneducated individuals.
As an alternative I post this:
http://psyc.jmu.edu/school/documents/ASPERGERS%20DISORDER.pdf (http://psyc.jmu.edu/school/documents/ASPERGERS%20DISORDER.pdf)
I have the symptoms described in the analysis above.
I know that my portuguese step-grandfather was jewish,not practizing the religion !
(I imagine he was a Sephardic Jew by ethnicity, not religion.)
I know that "Protestanten" were seen like Parias here in the rom.-catholic dominated Portugal.
(You bet. I'm confident even a few of my distant Jewish ancestors were persecuted by European Catholics.)
I know that my german father was dekades-long in an anti-jewish behaviour .
(I had older in-laws who felt the same way. I know what it's like.)
I know that my father worked against the Dekalog but called himself rom.-catholic .
I don't know about the 'Dekalog'. A 'Web search was no help, either.
I know that my german grandfather was soldier and ...... (?) during the Polenfeldzug.
'Polenfeldzug', by the Internet was the invasion of Poland by the Germans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland)
I know that my portuguese grandfather was judge and roman-catholic,not practizing the religion !
I've been thought of as being less than welcome around some Christians and I think some of these people were anti-gay homophobes, as well.
"so wahr mir Gott helfe" ?
http://www.dict.cc/german-english/So+wahr+mir+Gott+helfe.html (http://www.dict.cc/german-english/So+wahr+mir+Gott+helfe.html)
"So help me God!"
Time to go:
I may return later.
--Lee
Qwert, we are all for "Transparency International" ! Or not ?
Outside and inside !
And all this links are "open source" also :
an official international U.N. actionprogamm
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cairo-2015.de%2Findex.php%3Fid%3D29&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cairo-2015.de%2Findex.php%3Fid%3D29&edit-text=)
And I can say : if my own DNA-test would show "jewish"-roots I would only think : Na und !?
Illness-potentials are for the Gen.-next more important ! And about the insurance rate !
Jesu(s) C(h)riste: jewish reformator
+Juenger :
erste bekannte Kommunisten-Zelle,bezeichnet als "Ur-Kommunismus" commun ~ geral
Kommunismus~ in geral possession ~ open source
global "open source" patrimony : www.epo.org (http://www.epo.org) www.europeanlibrary.org (http://www.europeanlibrary.org)
ar and area rogare and questionare
ar-rogare to arrogance
"Lufthoheit" ?
Which ius-Dominium ?
Competere and Competence
Dem Papst/Patriarcha(Geistliche Welt) Dem Kaiser/Imperator(terrestrische Welt)
PAPA/FATHER "LANDLORD/Landesvater"
Welchen/Which ? Not singular,plural
"We Are Pope" "Pope" as open source ? ::) "BILD"-journal
"We Are Imperator" " Imperator" as open source ? ::)
"We are President" Ihr Spinner ?
"We are Constitution"
WELTREVOLUTION WELTEVOLUTION
WELTKINDREVOLUTION WELTKINDEVOLUTION
Menschenskinder,wie bescheuert ;)
"HERR",habe erbarmen mit diesen geistig armen
Amen
S.T.S. : Noe,nit "i will hoam nach Fuerstenfeld"
S.ave T.heir S.oul
Life,na-na na na na,Liiiiifffffeee is live,na-na na ? na-na
Ein Kaefig : voll an Na-rren ,
desastroese Narren
What is your a.NAME b.Name c.name ?
nominare et appelare
in-quis ? -ation ?- ius-dominium !
Appelationsgericht,letzte Instanz
PROTOKOLL and protocol(e)
RESOLUTION REVELATION
up/rise and down/fall
Per definitione(Nationaleconomy) we are all living in a communist(~common/geral sense/volonté) system,with social(sozius~both: heaven/mental/metaphoric and earth/physical/metaphysical) components !
( "kommunismus" is not in a parlamentarian party possession,all political parties behaves kommune/common,beginning with the smallest political party
"the zoon politicon- the simple singular citizen )
This is not only my accepted view-point - this is written as knowledge,common intellectual view !
All comercial -temporal/geographical limited- imaterial rights will become "open source",
actually only -comercial- with temporal/geographical validation.
You see,Qwert,if you think about "WELTVERSCHWOERUNG/GLOBAL CONSPIRACY" you have to recognize that you make part of it ,you are in an "open source"-Forum !
And the international estate secret services with their Net-Matrix-Searchmachines will archivate your forum-nickname and IP : conspiracy-aspirant ! :P
Probably you left Poland (1982!) to work as spion/East-block secret service agent in the U.S.A. ? 8)
Or for both sides ?
The law of probabilities,you know ?
Also possible: political dissident(KSZE),Deserteur,...... Landesverraeter ! C.V.
Bill Gates,Al Gore,AlFayad,Richard Hanson,the chinese government and some other ,too- will be remarked.
They showed interest to invest in the motor(-generator)-concept from Mr.Jorge Ferreira ( applied Imris-science), invited by a portuguese ex-banker,who consult this kind of investors in the C.onfederatione H.elvetica,I think it was for the CS-bank.
I can literate the sources and contents, and you ? Your stand/view points ?
down class upper class
no class
If ,Qwert,
you enter into the movie "ZARDOS" you will see two specific scenes ,
one the falling from the main actor( played by Sean Connery) in a virtual channel
and the other scene: the "imortal society-members" in that entertainment house
whose finally wanted to become killed: imortality as Bal-Last !
The 80ees has been the "New Age " using Meditation-techniques which I also used !
"Going back to the roots"
life velocity decelerating - regulating my aspiration
I personally to my own root - up to the life on-/off-switch
Pro/contra-balancce: It was not the right space and time :
but I know -since that moment- that I -for myself- can decide to short
eventually my life-line
without drugs and/or the "help" of other "Goetter in Weiß"
Milehighs QEG input
(http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/dlattach/attach/139234/image// (http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/dlattach/attach/139234/image//))
I would define this as : elevator view point resonance re=back sonare~feeding
"elevation"
what/whom feeding? How often do you remark your "inner voice" ? cognis universalis (personally)
the Poly -lie /truth- graphical cursor of your Life-Logbook
No more Names : Lloyds of London
No more Ranks and Tittles : Gore-Tex
Who wins and who loose with such a global economy generalization ?
Extinction and Exodus of stimulation , it is not ?
The only real aristocratic tool,the approvement and the "record in the books" for long/ever ?
UNIFORM-AT (Mao's China look ,the main street of the Cities)
This makes several "poors" really trist/-e ! :'(
Life: for what ? EXISTENZIALISMUS :-\
SIN(N)-CRISIS :-\
LIFE only as body-existance long Party ? Oh,how horrible ! :-X
Depends from each own re-sponse ability !
What is my own "TALENT" (= Batzen Gold parity value)what other do not have ?
If you have childs what do you will give as future-valid advice ? Think twice,geral and individual !
Do you observe them,do they observe you : your own child/-s,the "youth" in geral ?
Testemonial-Zeuge-Testemunha
Jehova - Jovem- Juventude
Sustainability
Is the earthship overfilled ?
Showa: in geral -worldwide ?
0-1-2-3(... ?) child/-s politics ?
If 1 -old- goes 1-young- can come ?
e-/i-migration ex-/included ?
First ius sanguis , Second ius terranis ?
1982
+/- 250.000 US$ was the minimal need for the legal imigration to the United Estates of America !
Qwert,do you feel and recognize your privileg(-e) ?
F.e. mexican border related ? No Eugenik,your luck !
You found Asyl and Exil ! Praefix + yl/il : Ilja / island
Seele ~ Soul ~ Seal
You left back 1982
Hello Lee,how are you ?
" I don't know about the 'Dekalog'."
The natural laws ,based by the bio-log-ical "tit for tat":
Deka/Deca ; 10
-log : "logis":habit-are/homested :here as laws to mean ( lawn !)
making part of our CONSTITUTION
in Germany/Saxonic
10.Gebote 1."Du sollst ....." 1."You shall ......"
in Anglo-Saxonian hemisphaere
10.Commandments 1. "You shall/must ....." Strict Imperative ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments)
Hol(l)ier :than the H.POPE ? Than the PRESIDENT ?
Freedom to decide,included freedom to get the consequences
H.Ma(t)er/Mother Nature gives ever flexible response
Have a nice weekend
Oliver Christoph WL
Everyone knows that now began the 2014 FIFA World Cup?
And who knows that a month ago was the 2014 Ice hockey World Championship?
Where he was?
(Hint: not in Russia!)
http://www.iihfworlds2014.com/en/ (http://www.iihfworlds2014.com/en/)
Why all the Western media were silent about this world hockey championship?
Because it was happening in the country, which the United States prohibits say good?
Nevertheless, holiday has gone right.
LancaIV, Sergh, have you seen a psychiatrist lately? I see no way a discussion with idiots further. From now on...
Despite of your damaged brains, I hope you understand me.
Looking to the U.S. of America statistics it show us that 50% of american people are psychatrist
treated,probably the rest can not afford this "service" !
Or have like common their community,where they are wellcomed !
Qwert,in your Confederation there is an education Standart,the new Maxime,I think it was an new Harvard "Don" ,1 or 2 Decades before : ready with school and University and teaching( inofficially) like an Assistant-Professor !
Inofficially,cause the new Ultralearning-Standart : 11 years!Too young (laws)for professional work !
With how many years begins adultry today in the U.S. of America ?
If there are not sufficient intelligent parents there is another alternative:
"Ultra-learning Standart"-Machine
developed by an Buckminster Fuller listener
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Flanagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Flanagan)
NEUROPHONE
"NEW AGE" ? Idiotic responded: yes ,11 years are a very -unexpected- age to leave the
UNIVERSITAS
3 Physiker: 3 Idioten , zwei zuviel : I GO ! ::) ;)
Valhe-te bêm ,Master
Last edit(for today): Qwert , have you got french ancients ?
You know,Poland and Napoleon and
his "Great Army" .
great = magnus
And so there was a great possibility for
a "magni-fick-e".
"Oh,mon Dieu !"
Mais c'est naturelle !
Pro-Baby-Pills http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr1DSgjhRqE&feature=kp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr1DSgjhRqE&feature=kp)
Machs nu "auf Franzoesich" : abzischen
last link: I nehme Sie auf den Arm,andere vielleicht auf's Korn : target
my sovianije
" idiot" : classical or "modern idiotical" !?
classical
up-classification: novize
down-classification: cadett,student
"modern idiotical"
Psychiatry and Physiology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele)
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ritalin-kritik.de%2FArtikel%2FArtikel_3%2FDr_Vogelsang_2%2Fbody_dr_vogelsang_2.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ritalin-kritik.de%2FArtikel%2FArtikel_3%2FDr_Vogelsang_2%2Fbody_dr_vogelsang_2.html&edit-text=)
Polenfeldzug
mea cu(l)p(a) ? No,Qwert !
You do not also listen the "TAGWERK"org the "opus dei"
and the DOMKAPITULAREN,die "DOMHERREN"org, die Freimaurer Freemason
as "cum a-spira-tion and cum tran(s)-spira-tion" = con-spira-cy organisation
FREE -DOM -ENERGY -GEIST human organisations
How are you,Qwert, involved ?
For the c(h)ristian hemisphaere,Sunday ~ DOM-in-go
self-reflection
sufficient time to think about the right answer
Have a nice Day
OCWL
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.relig.at%2Findex.php%2Fliedertexte%2Fghi%2F295-hilf-herr-meines-lebens.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.relig.at%2Findex.php%2Fliedertexte%2Fghi%2F295-hilf-herr-meines-lebens.html&edit-text=)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8D4AsLzlM0&feature=kp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8D4AsLzlM0&feature=kp)
Which House ? Dome ?
Idio-logy
Wissen~science wisdom ("Weisheit") Ge-Wissen~Con-science
parliament : free con-science - saved by inner-parlamentarian immunity
parlare : speaking free"somniare" I HAVE A DREAM (=projection)THAT ......
FREEDOM : FREESOM
The RIGHT to vote , to open your VOICE
Jede Stimme (stem cell) zaehlt ? ::)
native IDIOTISM,I accept it
What do you know about WHY ? the Alfred "Nobel"-"Peace"(later the other)Award
was constituted ?
Read: The journal-article abouth the death from Alfred (it was his brother!) he being alive and he,Alfred,listen the reaction !
What do you think about the internet-content and serving (possivilities !) quality : perfect ?
a. Lees searching and not finding for the explain of: Dekalog caused in other kind also written as Decalog.
b. About the personal profile in the wikipedia from the Dr.Olivier and Dr.Giscard d'Estaing brothers !?
Unimportant ? For them ? For us ? For the "Annale-s/n" the history books ?
wechseln=versare:
a. by fault b.by intention
verwechseln= conversare
: by fault b. by intention
verwechseln :
to confuse (http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/to+confuse.html) to mistake (http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/to+mistake.html) to confound (http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/to+confound.html) to mix up (http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/to+mix+up.html) to muddle up (http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/to+muddle+up.html)
This is an open forum - market place-
open to become observed and compared by all e-Net-visitors
the given forum/thread information content :
the questions ? answers ! statements
the method and technique/tecnics
the trials and errors and success/-es
If I am incommodating you ,Owert, you shall understand that I am not meaning YOU-
as real human-body-mention-soul-subject,
which ,fullfilled with personality,I personal do not know .
Annonymus
Qwert,
something about "Pathology":
a.https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPathologie&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPathologie&edit-text=)
and about "Physiology":
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPhysiologie&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPhysiologie&edit-text=)
and both-in-1 "Pathophysiology"
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPathophysiologie&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPathophysiologie&edit-text=)
Our conversation shall be serious,based by the same stand-points(space),without hurry(time)
and for the same object by us as subjects !
allowing- by using sense and knowledge and intelligence- delivered by me or/and you
to come to mind-unity : I following yours,you following mine, we mixing both
From Kary Mullis (Nobel Laureate in Chemistry) comes the admonition: "If 99% of researchers are of one mind, it is almost certainly wrong."
ergo -summa summarum- and applied law of possibility:
common/geral science a. there is a 1% chance for change
individual,Mullis b. there is a 99% chance for change
Is the common science wrong and he -Kary Mullis- is right or vice-versa !?
4D-Space-Time-dependant ?
Macro-/Micro-Space-Time ?
Who and what consults the researcher/-s ?
Qwert: Am I,you ,we all members here only "stupids/idots" ?
Who and what consults you ?
Doubts included ?
are we pathologic cases ? or physiologic cases ? both-in-1-cases ?
pro-/contra-(anti-)
axiom/hypothesis/thesis
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uni-ulm.de%2Ffileadmin%2Fwebsite_uni_ulm%2Fnawi.inst.251%2FDidactics%2Fthermodynamik%2FINHALT%2FHAUPTS.HTM&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uni-ulm.de%2Ffileadmin%2Fwebsite_uni_ulm%2Fnawi.inst.251%2FDidactics%2Fthermodynamik%2FINHALT%2FHAUPTS.HTM&edit-text=)
fact/fiction from
+ to - or - to + partial right/wrong
-- ++
--- +++ total right/wrong
Space:
ex-ample amplus~many variations
alt-itude altus~ from high to deep
two-in-1: AMPLITUDE
Time( a.distance b.temptations)
permanent,periodicly,often,seldom
two-in-1: FREQUENCY
MODULATION/MISTURATION
and
step-by-step
con- and inclusion
and
1000 words to 1 image-scan-to-CNC/CAD/CAM
applying
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caput: capita capital capitulation recapitulation
excurs/expedition
ad-ult ulter/-ior
infer/-ior infer-no
https://www.google.de/search?q=christusmonogramm&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FrydU9GDFcrJ0QX8-4HoCg&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=612 (https://www.google.de/search?q=christusmonogramm&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FrydU9GDFcrJ0QX8-4HoCg&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=612)
X Y Z Co-Ordinates-systematic
O Zero-point KALMEN
RUHEPOL spiritual JER (Salomons)
You shall begin Qwert : give the IMPULSE ,please !
Je croi ..... Je IHRoi..... Je XRoi......
How many variation possibilities will You apply ?
manouvre for the real life
I am well equiped with http://www.dict.cc/?s=Beharrlichkeit (http://www.dict.cc/?s=Beharrlichkeit)
and the learning tools to get passion and a well equiped livrary :
Pinball :level > 100.000.000
SIMON:level 38 ( the machine gave up ;) )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_(game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_(game)) "SENSO"
Table-tennis : hours-long
Information-Searching/-Finding:Decades-long
in father-language: German
in mother-language:Portuguese
in birth-land language: French
and other languages
facing reality/virtuality(fiction) :
also listening how other define it
Friedrich Dürrenmatt
21 POINTS TO PHYSICISTS
1
I'm not expect a thesis but of a story.
2
Assuming a story, it needs to be thought through.
3
A story is then thought to end when their
has taken schlimmst-possible turn.
4
The schlimmst-possible twist is unpredictable. It occurs by chance.
5
The art of the dramatist is to employ as effectively as possible in an act the chance.
6
Carrier of a dramatic action are human. 7
The coincidence in a dramatic action is when and where who accidentally encountering whom.
8
The scheduled humans act, the more effective they can make the chance.
9
Scheduled foregoing people want to achieve a certain goal. The coincidence she meets then worst when they achieve the opposite of its goal by him: that which they feared what they sought to avoid.
10
Such a story is indeed grotesque, but not absurd [absurd].
11
It is paradoxical.
12
Just as the logician, the playwright can avoid the paradox.
13
Just as the logicians, physicists can avoid the paradox.
14
A drama for the physicist must be paradoxical.
15
It may not have the content of physics to the goal, but only its effect.
16
The content of physics goes to the physicist, the impact of all people.
17
What concerns everyone can only be solved by everyone.
18
Any attempt by an individual to solve for what concerns everyone is doomed to fail.
19
In paradoxical reality appears.
20
Who faces the paradoxes, the reality is off.
21
The drama can outsmart the audience to suspend reality, but not force her to withstand or cope at all.
and with conscience science tools
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKybernetik&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKybernetik&edit-text=)
you shall know that my father studied in the fifties in Goettingen/Germany (Kybernetik-Capital)
studying economics and his Diplom-work was Analysis-related.
Later MBA-degree INSEAD,HARVARD-Europe
He worked f.e. for HOECHST AG (Ex- I.G.FARBEN-Trust-subcompany,f.e. other I.G.chemical trust-member BASF/Ludwigshafen: Zyklon B ),also as german chemistry-association lobbiist.
"Kybernetik"(Chemie/Biologie/Physik/Geschichte/Geografie/Religion/Politik/....)
makes part of our family "house book library".
My stand-point-view is over long experiences well established.
Observing passive people during they "used" me !
Experimenting ("Using") active with people !
There is no other way for each of us to resolve "passive:inside" doubts
other than with "action/activity: outside".
Do you .. or I do ....
Like all other people ,too.
Probably some would give to this treatment other "expressions".
And not only observing humans,also "Haustiere/Pets"
and recognizing
their before/after
behaviour change.
Bioanalysis
About mexico laughing the sun over austria gabze the world
Emphaize - by multiple choice:
over me gabze ....
Provoking(agent provocateur)
over Qwert gabze .....
Logic :
PARADOXON
An action follows an object from a subject so we has to call it reaction
stupid logic,it is not, paradox
or by
Friedrich Duerrenmatt : grotesque
Salvadore Dali :surreal
OPUS: Life is Life, na-na na na-na
NaNaism
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Germany: first time,pioneer-organized,social intention :
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFriedrich_Wilhelm_August_Fr (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFriedrich_Wilhelm_August_Fr)öbel&edit-text=
against all hirachical resistances
Sovjetunion: first time -high risc- land exploration : Sowchose
common -low risc and applied capitalism : Kolchose
comparing U.S. of America : "The great Deal"-social program by Teddy Roosevelt
Competence for question and answer : the paper-/e-/livraries as sources
or Zeitzeugen ,translated
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FZeitzeuge&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FZeitzeuge&edit-text=)
like parents/-generation members ,grand-parents/-generation members , ........
about enemy and danger : who ? what ? where ? when ?
friend
enemy becomes friend
enemy stays enemy
friend becomes enemy
friend stays friend
......................... but than
Space-Time condition change
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And specially "psychiatry" related I can give you as response:
the way back -up to the point of the beginning - "Ur-Schrei" ;)
I can go it , my path back "REPORT" and show it open:
Munich +/- 1986
Solln: Haus Ratzinger-Beck ( probably the "first" family-name is for you not unknown)
reading a macro-economic book (1958 edition) about
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFinanzierungsregeln&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFinanzierungsregeln&edit-text=)
and George Kings Rule ,the Paretto-Paradoxon and in an chemical book about
Liebig and other
and John Kenneth Galbraiths "Die Industriegesellschaft" (house livrary book)content
analyzing this
and comparing this with the economical situation between 1987 NIKKEI,WALL STREET
and other finance markets about "Rules validation" ( up to date )
and comparing human and machine action/reaction including the risc from the discovery
about the applying of quantum mechanics into a neuronal program which let react the
"virtual objects" self-deciding : a surprise for the involved scientists
The "Golden Bank Rule"-system without real saved capitalization led
get this market 2008 bankrotted ,unsurprisely.Calculateable.
::) ...... denn sie wissen nicht was sie tun...... ? ::)
it depends -strictly - from the view-point: in- 8) or out-sider :P
If you take sufficient Space-Time you will think probably in another Way(path) about this
comedia del arte
applying = educare
Are you : educated ?
mit allen Wassern gewaschen
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Zaesur : Neubeginn
Goettingen
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann)
Mensch-Maschine
Mensch=neutrum
male + female Charaktere -Maschine
e pi log
= 2,7.. = 3,14..
Verhaeltniszahlen
Mensch-Maschine-HOMOGENITAET
If you do not understand this ,Qwert ,than this incommodate me anymore !
It is the quantum mechanical standart
#3781: "[size=78%]I'm Christian[/size][size=78%] ". Pardon moi,mais- in gracian dialekt - : deridere derido derisi[/size]
The U.S. Dollar Falls by Fall
http://usawatchdog.com/the-u-s-dollar-falls-by-fall/ (http://usawatchdog.com/the-u-s-dollar-falls-by-fall/)
Even we felt in Belarus dollar inflation.
20 years ago for $ 100 you could live one month.
Now this is enough for 1 or 2 visits in the supermarket.
" I am Christian " Qwert recitating
J'accuse : Blasphemie/Haeresie
indicate it me !
DEO CRISTE (Konzil about Unity/Trinity consequence:cession)
as same :
Christian
Qwert,you are like DEO CRISTE ?
CONSTITUTION
AGENDA
DAIRY :
SACRIFICIUM/SAKRILEG
mene mene
I did me ex-communicate from the rom.-catholic church
but after becoming baptizid,Kommunion-and Konfirmation lesson education.
This- was anymore my church.Since 1987
You show me,Qwert-2014-,that the decision was right !
My father executed in his youth Minestrant-services and singing also in Latin,without to understand
what he "spoke/spelled",cause not Latin-educated.
Simulanten
Priest and politician
and their
membership
ritual
empty
plan-less
core-less
Qwert,"DEO CRISTE",what are your future plans ?
With my coherent ?
Have we an " bilateral agreement" problem ?
Does the "New World" not wish a FTA with the "Old WORLD" ?
It is a Xeque-Mate game :Unterhaltung,Zeitvertreib
Verluste als Kollateralschaden
You shall know and accept the "Old WORLD" rules !
It is is easier for the cooperation.
U.S.A. : JUNIOR -part
EU-Europe: JUNIOR-part
U.N./WTO(GATT) SENIOR-part
I am African,this new rule does me not matter.
Pluralismus
And there will be the day After-Obama,After-Putin,After-Merkel.,,,,,,,,, becoming historical
na und, tekel =unbeschwert
Good Morning,Saigon and the U.S.A.-Qwert(-S)
Unbeschwert
Und ist der Ruf- erst ruiniert - so lebt es sich ganz ungeniert
applied psychatry
Fiction
Neues aus der [Society(J. ?) Nervenheil-)] Anstalt
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNeues_aus_der_Anstalt&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNeues_aus_der_Anstalt&edit-text=)
Facts (?) Skandal >:( -Gate ;D
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guenter-wallraff.com&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guenter-wallraff.com&edit-text=)
Orient Okzident
Here in Europe exists the possibility of physical ORIENT-ation :
a.Peregrinus tool like: Magnet-Kompass ( or GPS)
b. the rom.-kath. Church-ship -showing us the way to the physical,
geo-political Jerusalem
Jerusalem is for me not so important,the physical denominated Space,
Pilgrim center for jewish,Criste-Religion-member and Muslims.
If Israel explores the Mare Mediterranium -on the wrong place and the wrong time - for gas,
this area ,mostly submerso, could become "awaked" :
see-eartquake and Tsunami like 2006 and
refilling from this "death zone" with atlantic-mediterran "gel".
How much power ? 1755 :Lissabon,Lagos,Algier,...........
Jerusalem :this is not my "HOUSE"
my: JER GER YURTE
Alles unter Kontrolle,miner ? Open the Water-gate, free flow of the water-streets
Hormuz,Panama/Nicaragua,Suez
Movie-like : DUNE, the Moadib :o ::) ;) das Nass , na-na na na-na
fuer SHOW(er) A oder B oder C Stellung : heiss kalt lau
and I am living in a small town directly atlantic coasted and it would not be a very polite action from Israel to send worldwide such Monster-waves as are known.
The pay-list would clearly go to: Israel and the cooperating Technology-supplier and
estatal and financial institutions worldwide !
"DEEP WATER HORIZON : BP and Co-partner" as small example
Probably later: going back to their roots
https://web.archive.org/web/20030214231125/http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/forsale/plans/elsa/ELSA.htm (https://web.archive.org/web/20030214231125/http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/forsale/plans/elsa/ELSA.htm)
Qwert,for the last : anglo-saxonic rules ,defined today through the Oxford/Cambridge University
language faculta/faculty has his intime upper and down class orientation :
You,simple down class 2Per.Sg YOU,devoted,upper class 3.Pers. Pl.M.
There are many in a pidgin situation,inside and outside
Which DOMINION you shall enter : without hat ?
THESIS
Wir ueberbruecken uns gerade interkontinental KONTEXT ?
1.Deutsch-Englisch
2.Englisch-Englisch a.down class
b.upper class
Hoffe,Sie sind dafuer be-gnade-t genug
GNADE-n-Appelation
Kaiser/"Spinner !"-Gauck
Patri-archa :welchen ?
Unfehlbarkeit ? Gegen-Kaiser und Kaiser sg./pl.(Canossa)
oder
Gegen-Papst und Papst sg./pl. befragen ! ;)
Hossa,hossa,festa brasileira ........ (singer: Rex Gildo and not REX and not ...ildo :-[
a little modulated : ex "fiesta mexicana ")
IMPERIAL
DOMINIUM
GRUPTA-KRYPTA-GRUFT
CONSPIRACY
CON SPIRA CY
SPYRA
SPEYER am Rhein/Rhenum Rhenania(Rheinland)-Palatina(Pfalz)
https://www.google.de/search?q=speyer+dom&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FtGeU8fFGOe30QWe0oGYCw&ved=0CD4QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=612 (https://www.google.de/search?q=speyer+dom&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FtGeU8fFGOe30QWe0oGYCw&ved=0CD4QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=612)
SPIRA
SPIRIT/ESPRIT
GEIST~DOM'US
geistfreie oder FREIGEIST
Gesellenschaft
mit Schoppen hauen(Salute !Vivat !)
oder ohne
"When you're one step ahead of the crowd you're a genius.
When you're two steps ahead, you're a crackpot."
-- Rabbi Shlomo Riskin (Feb. 1998)
:o ? ::) : be in the crowd ! 8) face-2-face
31.12.1999 christliche Zeitrechnung :
? ? ?
(FATIMA,Ourem,I. II. III.Projection/-s )
DEO CRISTE DEO ANTI-CRISTE
Future I/II :
PRO- ?
DE- ?
RE- ?
GRESSION
in-/ sane
tot
TOT
Bekreuzigung
Fadenkreuz
DOPPEL-HERZ
ANTI- CRISTE
et.. et..
aut.. aut..
Abkehr des monotheistischen"Personen"-kultes hin zu
C(h)risten-Religion-Neu-Orientierungs-Philosophie:
Sonne,Mond und Sterne (Franziskaner)
Akzeptabel ! Immer da !
Be-"GRAIF"- :o lich machen wird schwieriger :
( Kirchenabgaben !zwingend ,Hoehe ?)
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koerperlich
insane(Unhygiene vieler Maenner,aber auch Frauen) Kondition ,
ungewaschen an H2O Wasser
und fehlendem DEO-dorant
geistig
und dem "spirituellem Wasser" der "7.Sea"
der "7.Seals" der "Sieben Siegel" des
"Heiligen Buches/HEILIGEN SCHRIFTEN"
der "UNIVERSITAS"
facultativ
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUniversitas_Studii_Coloniensis&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FUniversitas_Studii_Coloniensis&edit-text=)
spirituelle Wasser: Taufwasser bei der Aufnahme in den Kreis der Eingeweihten,der Involvierten
seelisch: Herkunft und Identifikation
+ visit https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWeltwunder&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWeltwunder&edit-text=)
oder ohne Geschichte (Klon)
cllassical and modern view
recognize:
your best friend could be in reality your best enemy
enemy friend
view-point correction
" friend or enemy": also -grand-/father,...-mother,brother,sister,..............
and also can be "friend or enemy"our
me-myself-and-I-execution-conflict
always and everywhere:
Good bye
OCWL
In search of the "excellence"-machine
down Ordinarily 'GEISTesBlitz'
up Kardinaily divine spark
quantum mechanics
the law of Conservation of energy
the law of possiblities
GIBBS FE-Theorem
Moray/Dirac Quantum sea particles coordination and definition in nano-sec/-mtr.
"partikels" treaten like genus-neuter nano-"seamonkies(Ur-Tierchen)" life
which faster/slower velocities (typus nano-Flaganellen)
HIV
Rogge/Kaviar
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931111&CC=DE&NR=4222678A1&KC=A1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931111&CC=DE&NR=4222678A1&KC=A1)
divine spark as thermal schock / Dirac surges/sparks as thermal schock
Ha(a)rp-une Ha(a)rp-une
Quantum sea ~ Amazonia to Ladogado-sea : Zitter'aale ~
TASER-effect
" Ur-(Tierchen/-Eier)Suppe "
EMP Amplitude/Frequency Modulation :
bi-stable Multivibrator (Flip-Flop)
= Nano-Nuclear-electrolytic weapon and war
(fishing is war : view point ! incl. dynamite detonation )
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931223&CC=DE&NR=9312668U1&KC=U1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931223&CC=DE&NR=9312668U1&KC=U1)
CONCLUSION mit INKLUSION includere
Bioanalytik
chemie
physik
medizin
Pest-Pet Pet-Pest
I. Test a.elektromagnetische Bestrahlung von Wasser
b. frisches-unbehandeltes- Wasser
Anbauversuch mit den zwei verschiedenen Versionen
em=Mikrowelle behandelt : Gendegeneration zur Folge,bei Pflanzen
Menschentest ? militaerische Radar-Sender Wellen Folgen ?
Telefon-itis ? kurz,mittel,...
II. Stoerche-Gehege-Eier-/schalen-Veraenderung bei Starkstromnetz-Strahlung
III. bevorstehender evtl. Exodus/quantitative Reduzierung von Baumarten wie
Palmen/Bananenstauden und verschiedenen Insektenarten wie Bienen,
hilfreich fuer die Bestaeubung von Lebenmittel-Wirtspflanzen ,
Frequenzwellen duerften hier eine Rolle mitspielen,aktiv/passiv:
direkt ueber die Pflanzen/Insekten das Wasser und den im Wasser enthaltenen
H2O-fremden Bestandteilen,welche auf ueber 4000 geschaetzt werden.
Elektro-magnetische Wellen haben einen Cracker-Effekt,dazu zaehlen auch die Ultra/Infra-Schall-Wellen
hier nach Roentgen-Strahlen-Erkrankungen wohl aehnliche Folgeerscheinungen auftreten werden.
Schwangere sind seit ueber 30 Jahren damit behandelt,als auch als Nieren-/Gallensteinzertruemmerer. [/size]
Eierschalen in Gross sind die Embryo-/Atom-Schalen in klein.
zertruemmern=cracken
In Zukunft wird die "moderne Gesellschaft" sich mit Genmodifikation abfinden muessen.
Aus 5vor12 ist Nach12 geworden.
Nach hoher Analphabetenzahl,welche verringert werden konnte,koennen jetzt schon hohe zweistellige
Prozentualitaeten zukuenftig erwartet werden,an genetisch modifizierten Kreaturen
Petri-Schalen-Versuche sind eines,Datenvergleich und Veroeffentlichung das andere.
Sollte man eben als Tribut an die Moderne sehen,oder ueber Gen-Tests-Ermittlung bei
koerperlichen Veraenderungen eine Gewissensfreiheit zubilligen,bezueglich der Abtreibung.
Kurzfrisitge Gen-modifizierte Veraenderungen lassen aber eines bestimmt nicht zu :
die Charakter-Eigenschaften dieses neuartigen Zell-Wesen zu erklaeren.
Crystal myth und PCB un deren Modifikationen. Seelische Seelenveraenderungen.
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Hello,
The Law of Possibilities
+
MENGENLEHRE
ZP
ZEROPOINT
ZP= { 0 }
VP
VACUUMPOINT
VP= { }
+
divine spark
:
ES werde LICHT und ES ward LICHT
Have a nice Thuesday- Tu es Tag- Diens(t) Tag on the third day of this week :
Domingo,Segunda-,Terza feira,.....
OCWL
VP=METROPOL -wo Nichts zaehlt und ALL-DAS zaehlt,als gueltig
Tschau,vale bene
Writing in "EU-Kommission-Kommisar Oettinger-English" (I know)
shall I cambridging(not the Mass.,f.e. M.I.T.-homested) with you,or oxfordish
(u(r)+u(r)=w) ?
Ur~Auer als Rind oder eben als Ochsen : Hornochsen
Joch-Ochsen: Issos,clauster :mongues
+ the Alexander,the Magnificus(the Great)from Macedonia:
and his sword-desision
be concret(e:manifestierend,in stone),not so abstract(surreal), so like an orakel like octopussy
"Krake Paul" !
or Delphi,to understand answers/statements :by multiple choice
teste +mente/testemonial :
how many faults and negative consequences will you find in this written mission and provision:
you,Qwert,who gives me advices -how to use angelo-saxonic transduction - in method
who declares themself(your "me"-your "myself" and your "I" point)
to be involved in historics/history :
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Is orthografical correctness such important ?
for "Lee" -Deka and Deca- and the actual "internet unperfection condition"probably
for a serious researcher also:
internet "Carl Friedrich von Weizsaecker" f.e. by comparing the content of the
wikipedia "lex-icon-o-theque"
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translatd german section
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Space-Time-Paradoxon
with Space- Dilatation
and Time- Dilatation
re-/search of part and counter-part
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collage + lapse/deficiencies-collecting up to the=collapse
Is there no "negative" conspirancy ?
Yes,there is !
by Psychology human deficiencies re-/search
and applying human-subject/object-action/reaction-tests
test-field result+ applying :
markets and marketing methods
applied Psychiatry :
offene Anstalten/Institutes
other expressions:
Supermarkets/Hypermarkets/Malls
with the know-how to manipulate the crowd -us all-for more (clearly unneeded)sellings
information served by german school books,level "Realschule"
What does the liberal german school knowledge not offer to the world ?
Offering it does much in many variations delivered by worldwide serving
and by artefacts and documentation preserving : Museum
What the german school also offers with anti-/material examples : intimity
but liberal~ in "open source" manner
from U/-r (Abraham as Ur-Father/Urahn) to Ur-o-logy up to exposing conservatism :
KOERPERWELTEN
" We (are) CROWDs" je CRO i
Sovjet-union Sovjet: f.e.Duma U.S.A.-Sovjet:Congress+Senate
F.R. or B.R. ~Bundesrepublic Germany-Sovjet:
from ex- "Weimarer Raete-Republik" to Bundestag+Bundesrat as Sovjet
das Sujet ist das Ent-scheidende :
ex vagina : aus SCHWERT-SCHEIDE militaer-strategisch
aus Scheide aerztlich-gynokologisch
das Wissen -ueber angewandtes Gewissen-
ueber beide Sphaeren ist nuetzlich
Schoepfen/creiren und Zerstoeren/destruieren
res publica and res divina and "Space-Time constitution"
"Die Welt amerikanisieren" ?
oder
"die Welt "germanisieren"
oder
" ist die Welt -nicht schon laengst- indo-germanisiert"
nur haben es bisher wenige begriffen ?
United Indo-Germanien ;) I.G.- :-X
I G'eh nun a'moi
Die Mensch - Maschine
The Men - Machine
The Men :free mind transduction/translation tool : the language/la longue/a lingua/the s'lange
writting from "english language view= angelo-saxonic
(history : Angeln/DK + Sax/Sachsen from Continental-Europe,as it told to us by our teachers/docents/libers(books/Buech'er)
to the Saxonian language "law and order rules/paragraphen" ,today valid and written by german
language administration (culture-minister/secretaries conference) "under geral consense" for the BR Deutschland,Austrian,Suisserian -translation tool- users,also worlwide transported with the
help from the the Goethe-Institute. (but by the last gramatical reform : F.A.Z.Journal crew mind :"non sense !" )
Law and order : Duden "Die Grammatik " page 11-19 only the "Legende" =the introduction list
included romanic phrases (verdeutscht: lateinische Neu-Deutsch ,teotedeschi)
by Konrad Duden Verlag open delivered text-analysis-tool manual of biological creature
included bio-analysis
German gramatik compared with anglo-saxonian gramatik ?
The same ? changes ?
Problem : Hlge Roemische Reich Deutscher Nation
"Hlge. Roemische..." related:
not applying "christian"-crist-liche/domenican position than there is a
context misinterpretation risc (chance ;) )
not / using ABLATIV and VOKATIV
Rom.-kath. church comparing with Angelican church !
before and after Heinrich /Hendrick/.... IIX(=8.)
Rom.-kath.church members rituals
"Rein-Waschungen before Dominion-entrance" comparing with
Muslims-rituals :Moschee-entrance
Muslims : how many "GEBETE" per day ? Orden ?
Rom.-Kath.-church member ?
Answer:Insider-view, Ordens-cluster,Kloster,claustro
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"idiotic"-expression using creature analysis
answering in Scharping-Manner : laaaaaannnnnngsaaaaaaaam:slowly
or
schnapp atmend: fast
langsam,bedaechtig :
R.I.P.-like or R.I.C.
P.=C. and C.= full written: Calm
"SCHEINTOT" ;)
cause only "mental concentrated:but alive"
"Owert":
applying Sigmund Freuds conscious dimension pyramid
Ich- Ueber Ich - ES
following"the law of logics" :
-Ueber ES = { }
delicous ,the emptyness
nothing to move
the before-Big Bang-stadium
similar explanation
although as "book" receiveable from qualquer ;D
Prof.H
not by me :
open -comercial available-source,
ISBN number !
( Aut(h)or : probably Prof.Hilburtz ? Psychiatric tool user )
and from brain to transform this to a machine quantum/quantity mechanical
controle method (Compiler)
converting
the arabic mathematical (r)evolution :
to introduce the
( for our ancients SENSATONAL )
0-stadium physically
with natural, rational,irrational numbers and beside this:
positive and negative Orientation
positive and negative Energy-aggregate : as Anti-Materie or Materie
this all -
the Men bi-/tri-/multi-lateral transduction/translation laws and orders -
will become applied as Machine-modulation possibility
with the/this target for some:
to get
cognis
ignis
divina part
from RAUM-ZEIT to HYPER-CONTINUUM
Materie Anti-Materie ("CLOUD")
entering with dignis and angustiae to the SPACE/TIME-CENTRE
dignity fraid/Angst
for ROUTE 66
or ROUTE 666
position neative- ZERO-POINT - positive position
negative position- ZERO POINT- positive Position
Der ALTE ist ein Teufel
deibel
deivel
de vil
de bil
the Debil is debil (Yes,the sentance/phrase is correct,logic view)
alt~translated debil (entbehrlich :P ::) ;) )
[ "Baby" LAUTSPRACHE sollte man beim FE-research schon koennen ]
Laut sprechen: nein !
Silentium / Calm / Peace im Laboratorium
R.I.S R.I.C. R.I.P
mit Totenstille /Con Zentration (Medi-tation)
bis zum persoenlichen "Eureka !"
Dann Reise wohin ? 66,666 ?
Eigenes C.V. entscheidet.
Amok Koma
Eu valhe-me bem :)
Tschau-Tschau ohne/mit Tao-Tao(Schlaege) or Teu-Teu(Fortuna) or Doi-Doi(WELTSCHMERZ)
66 or 666 ,
was wird dich entscheiden,sei auch du mit dabei.
Plopp,stopp!,........
( German TV,"1,2,3-Show , Moderator Michael Schanze)
so much "Welt.......like -schmerz/-kind/zeit/raum" by applying the small dimension up
to "COSMOS" up to ={ }
MENGENLEHRE,really complicated -not to say: hated ! ;D
Based by pure,transparent ~cool/cold logic !
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MENGENLEHRE + KYBERNETK:
HYPER,divine
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Qwert,probably for you a help ( also for other "you"-s:
"EUREKA" E.U.-scientifical re-/search programm
"Teleponder/Teleporter" but only servicing the linguistik transportation,at first ! :-\ :'(
User Qwert,this is not a Duell, I am showing you the mechanism of my inducated(ducare) knowledge and can also give you the link/sources(list).
If you or other think about conspiracy than you shall ever ask yourself:
are you right and the other are wrong !?
are the other right and you have the wrong position ?!
If I would be really angry about you than there is ever the possibility to "e-mail/PM"you directly !
As down/upper/{ } class member there is ever enough time to act in "knight manner" !
FAIRNESS AGREEMENT
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"Voulez-vous R.I.P. (ou R.I.C. ou R.I.S.)avec moi,c'est soi ,Maria? "
Edelmann(knight) zu seiner Angebeteten(f.e. Maria :-* female )
Answer Maria :"And later ?"
genus(sexual definition) indication sometimes a need
Erich Maria Remarque(mask.=male/maskulinum))
Karl Maria Brandauer(mask.)
Maria José(!)(fem.=female/feminina)
Transsexuality !
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Nu sin ma mit unserem Latein am Ende !
Ich glaube GOTT ist ein "Verstehen Sie Spass"-Vogel ,
kenne Ihn nicht persoenlich,
glaube nur Ihn zu kennen
Law and order I
Festlegung/Gesetz und (Ver-)Ordnung
praktische Evolution/Schoepfung
und die Geschichte/-n dazu
Evolutionstheorie -A.T/N.T.-Theorie- ART/SRT-Theorie
in-/akzeptabel:
fuer wen ? warum ? welche Barrieren hindern ?
Als Beispiele:
Quellenverfuegbarkeit ? (Fremd-) Sprache ? Manipuliert ?
Fahrlaessig ? Willkuerlich/Vorsaetzlich ?
Fremd/-e-/Varianten-Erfahrung ?
Erfahrung ueber dem Menschen "als Subjekt" hinaus:
Fauna+Flora-Potentiale
Astrophysik
(Ueber-)Vertrauen in Technik,
den involvierten Fach-Personen und deren wirklichen quantitativen Qualifikation
(Befaehigungsnachweis/Eignungstest/Service-Qualitaets-TUEV
"Oeuvre"-Plagiat ?Titel-Kauf)
und Konzentration auf das Objekt waehrend der Analyse/Problembehebung ?
Uebervertrauen in die Hard-und Software ?
Beispiele:
Inverter : thrue sine wave und ?
Virtual Reality-Programme: thrue 3D und ?
Eine Software ist als Programm nur so gut wie deren Schoepfer,
der Programmierer(sg./pl.)
Wieviel Genauigkeit/Annaeherung beanspruchen wir und wieviel
erhalten wir bei kommerziellen Waren,
wieviel koennten wir erhalten bei Hinzuzaehlung der bestehenden,
aber vorerst ueberteuerten "best of.." Entwicklungen global ?
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Kybernetik: die Nutzung der Gesamtheit aller Wissenschaften
verknuepfend dazu die Mengenlehre
"Wie funktioniert der Mensch ?" Humanphysiologie/Humanpsychologie/Humanpathologie
Frage- Aufloesung/-Versuche ?
Forschungsgemeinde: FE-Sektor international,staatlich und NGO's
Basisproblem:
"Wie soll die FE-Mensch-Maschine funktionieren" Welche Gewalt-/Macht-Potentiale ?
Prototyp:
der Mensch selbst
und die verherrlichte Kraft des"Koenig der Luefte","Koenig der Meere",......
Definition von Energiequellen-Wandlern und vice-versa Nutzbarkeit
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Atom-Kern-spaltungs - Bombe-/-Reaktor /-Kettenreaktion-s-Moderation
Atom-Kern-fusions - Bombe-/-Reaktor /-Kettenreaktion-s-Moderation
Motor/Generator
als MEG:Transformator
( "Naiver" Erklaerungsversuch,unverbindlich !)
Moderator in der Mathematik: Operator des Prozessors
Mathematik ist nicht das Ziel in sich sondern Mittel zum Zweck,
Funktions-Mittel/-Aggregat :
Ziel-Zweck
aesthetische Perfektion der Wiedergabe: hin zur absoluten Vollkommenheit
1=1
(annaehernde) "Vollkommenheit"-Symbolik
Juedisch: Davidstern C(h)ris-tlich :der Kreis (ist heilig)
Muslim : ? Alhambra besuchen:Antwort finden
(Phil-)Harmonie
aestethische-perfekte Vollkommenheit :im weitlaeufigen Sinne ~"katholisch"
realer Widerspruch,asymmetrisch :
linke-/rechte Gehirnhaelfte
linke-/rechte Gesichtshaelfte
linke-/rechte Koerperseiten
Vorder-/Rueck-Koerperseite
Scham und Schamlosigkeit
Dieses immer von klassischen hin zu modernen Moral-/Sitten/Ethik-Masstaeben ,
a. als neutrale Festlegung/Feststellung,kritikfrei
b. Festlegungen fuer Dogmen und Ideologienwie
"der ideale Mensch/Menschen-Ideal" wie ja auch spaeter von Darwin-Anhaengern aus
Galapagos-Erkenntnissen als Profil fuer "Mensch-Erkundungen" genutzt wurde,
bis hin zu KL-Menschenversuchen
Persoenliche Erklaerung dazu:
warum den existierenden Menschen veraendern,was
ueber die zeitliche Evolution sowieso geschieht (evtl. ueber LV-Gentest mit Eugenik-Hintergrund
forciert) wenn nicht eine plug&play "Mensch-Maschine" als Human-Begleiter erschaffen werden kann ? Verlierer vielleicht "reale Haustiere/Pets",da dann deren Alltags-"Funktion" teilweise
von den "synthetischen Helfern" mituebernommen werden !
Law and order II
Gesetzes und Ordnung-Werk
Belohnungs-/Strafgesetzbuch
Haftung
Anzeige/Ermittlung/Prozessvorbereitung
Strafverfahren
Bewaehrung
Amts-/Mein-(Verschwoerung)/Eid(=Schwur)
Dienstherr (Graduierung)
Disziplinarverfahren(Instanzen)
Exkommunizierung/ Amts-Traeger-Enthebung/-Absetzung
Titel-Aberkennung
-Toetung : Verfassung-Ausfuehrung bei Hochverrat(Friedenszeit)
Kriegsrechtverfassung (Kriegszustandsdeklaration)
Kassations-/Appelations-Gericht/Gnadengesuch
Internationale-/Kontinentale/Nationale-/...... Gerichtshoheit
Internationale Praesidialhoheit-......abwaerts
Internationale Patriarchen-Hoheit-.....abwaerts
U.N.-Organisations-Charta~Verfassung und Ausfuehrung
1:1=1(²) logische Ausfuehrung der Demokratie
"Bilder der Wissenschaft" (Dt.Stifterverband)
( " Transparenz"-Vorgabe
"Schwarz-auf-Weiss"
wygiwiv: what you get (Kopie) is what is valid
nur veroeffentlichte Bestimmungen,von den jeweiligen Parlaments-Vollversammlungen ratifizierten Dokumente gelten als gueltig,keine Sonderbestimmungen,geheimen bzw. muendliche Absprachen)
Verfassungsgebote(Grund-und Folgegesetze) und Leitlinien(Verordnungen):
"3 Gewalten-Verfassungsorgane und das Prae-Sidialsystem"
Transformation
anhand
-Synthetisierung/-Mikronisierung
YES
WE CAN AND WE WILL
Outlook:
erst Subkontinente U.S.A.,Europa F.T.A.
Solch eine reale Entwicklung,baiserend vieler technischer Innovationen der letzten Jahre,
ist aus meiner Sicht -einfach gesagt-nur die physikalische Ausfuehrung des c(h)ristlich-muslimisch-juedischen Auftrages eines "Ideal-Staates".
Dem Herrn (Dr. ....?)Joachim Gauck,derzeitig in der Funktionsamtausfuehrung eines deutschen Staatspraesidenten ist eigentlich "rhetorisch" nur noch die Frage zu stellen,was man so als "Ossi" unter dem "idealen Staat" verstand ?
Was geben die "MfS"-Akten als Informationsarchiv so preis ?
Natuerlich unter Vorbehalt des "Todesschutzstreifens" !
DEUTSCHE "DEMOKRATISCHE" PROTESTANTEN REPUBLIK (Ganz ? Noe,Eicsfeld survived)
Bitte nicht fuettern ! ( ? )
Wo gibt es eigentlich mehr Nationalsozialismus vorzufinden ?
Westdeutschland oder Ostdeutschland ? N-Ostalgiker
Sind Sie,(das Amt ist geschlechtsneutral) Staatspraesident, so fehlerfrei ?
Darf ein Nationalsozialist nicht das Recht haben sich zu irren ?
Es sich einzugestehen ,nicht richtig: somit richtungsweisend informiert worden zu sein ?
Amts- und Bildungstraeger tun ja alles,leider zumindest nur fuer sich selbst,primitiv
kein Verfassungs-Primat !
Demokratie-Total dafuer werden wir sorgen,Verfassungskonformitaet,U.N.-Charta-konform
Sie und einen Nazi in den "Kaefig": zwei gehen rein und nur einer darf raus ! MAD MAXIMAL
Und der,welcher rauskommt, darf dann wieder rein : ..........
M.M.II
Es ist Zeit fuer Reformen,mit oder ohne den Alten
Der Neo-Generation-"nicht schuldig!" : in Nuernberg sah es die Gegenseite anders und handelte so nach
Zudem ist aus dem ehemaligen Ehrenamt -durch die Zahlung eines Soldes- eine Amtskommerzialisierung entstanden !
Deutschland A.G.: Presidente da mesa (Dr. .... )) Joachim Gauck
Hege der Amtsverantwortliche seinem hoechsten Dienstherrn,der Verfassung,den gehoerigen Respekt !
Ein kommerzielles Unternehmen stellt eine "juristische Person" ,
die Verfassung ist keine "juristische Person" ,
diese stellt symbolisch die -Personalunion-
die Bevoelkerung der Bundesrepublik Deutschland und all der im Ausland lebenden Staatsbuerger dar (mit einfacher oder doppelter Staatsbuergerschaft).
"Spinner" gehoert nicht zum Repertoir einer "ehernen Verfassung" !
Verfassung,wo ist deine (be-)wahre(-nde) Stimme ?
Vielleicht sollte das Amt mit einer Frau besetzt werden ?!
So paart sich Schoepfungspotential und Vernunft,
anstatt einem Konsenszerstoerer.
E.U.: Europaeische Verfassung ( Vertrag von Lissabon)
" ehern und Vernunft orientiert !" ?
Oder Posten-Geschacher !
Parlamentarier,ihr ekelt ! Aktuell ! Besserung vonnoeten !
Ihr werdet ueberdurchschnittlich besoldet,Soldateska
Faszinierend,ein Faszinosum :
der europaeische Marien-Kult
Wie weit geht dieser ?
causa: UKraine ,Krim Chrutschov Schenkung und Rueckabwicklung
Schenkung ! Rueckgabezwang ! Beibehalt des Zustandes ?
Bei Staaten ?
Rechtsgueltigkeit !? Verjaehrung ?! Neuordnung !? Wer entscheidet !?
Was ?
Die Schenkung !
Wo !
Im Land mit dem Marien-Pilgerort namens Fatima(Ourem)
An wen ?
Symbolisch: "Dem Himmel", administratorisch also unter Kirchenverwaltung
ein "Gottesstaat"
Wer schenkte?
Seinerzeit der Koenig namens Dom Diniz
Haftungsfragen:
fuer ewig-entsprechend Kirchenverfassung
Ist die roemisch-katholische Kirche,Standort Rom/Vatikanstaat/-Stadt
fuer die Schulden dieses Landes haftbar zu machen
(Patronat/Geschaeftsfuehrerhaftung)
dem Land namens Portugal, Heimat des Dr.Durrao Barroso ?
an die 300 Mrd. Euros,davon 78 Mrd. Euros Troika-finanziert
Kirchen-und Staatsrechtler wissen bestimmt Antwort
dieser religionspolitisch heiklen Sachlage !
Was zahlt mehr,Ueber-zu Unterordnung ! Here gegenueber niederen Interessen !
Rom,was zaehlen deine Ehevertraege,die Taufe alle anderen Arten von Verbindungen ?
! "Auf immer und ewig "
Gott: Verjaehrungsfrist ? Verfallsdatum ? Global ? Wegwerfobjekt ?
ich-meiner-mir-mich- Prof.Hilburtz und zu allerletzt: selbst
Deutsche Grammatik hat die Loesung in sich !
Die Verfassung-ein wirklich komischen Wesen ,so voll
dem gegnueber Andere,so hohl
" Am deutschen Wesen Welt sollst du genesen "
Welcher Spassvogel hat diese Inschrift eingemeisselt,
am Gymnasiumsgebaeude lesbar,in der Kreisstadt Northeim/NS
Gezeter und Mordio brachte es,seinerzeit
Konspiration
einst zum Beispiel die Freimaurer
in den Siebzigern der Fall um die P1-Loge
und dem "opus dei" (Echalon)
aktuell BILDERBERG (siehe wikipedia)
Ob ich ,als Mensch/Mann,welche kenne,als Mitglieder,kann ich nur
darauf antworten: Nein !
Vielleicht kam ich mal mit Mitgliedern zusammen,ohne diese nach
deren Zugehoerigkeit zu befragen ! Wozu ?
mons(lat.) Berg,Montanha,Montana,Rock,Fels,Pedra,Stein hin zum Gebirge
indirekt zugehoerig: mons-troes Monster
dieser Begriff auch eingeschlossen in
MONTAN-UNION (Bergbau )und die ROEMISCHEN VERTRAEGE
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als Vorlaeufer der "Europaeischen Gemeinschaft" zur
"Europaeischen Union"
all dieses aber Teil der deutschen Allgemeinbildung der "hoeheren Schulung"
" ein Bild sagt mehr als tausend Worte "
Bilderberg + Woerterberg
und spaeter
"als die Bilder das Laufen lernten"
movere,movement: Movie,Film
ergaenzend
der Filmeberg ( z.B. aus einem Kirch-Archiv )
den man,als Mensch,abarbeiten kann - aber nicht muss
wenn eine ? ! :? ! Konversation stattfinden soll
ueber Kon-fession und Pro-fession hinaus :
beiderseitigem Interesse
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Deutsche(~ Volk) Kultur- Bildungsanstalten :
Volksschule
Volkshochschule
Volksmedien (z.B. Deutsche Welle,RTL,Phoenix,..... )
uns Studenten (ab Primaner-Moment) den Bilderberg +Woerterberg + Filmeberg aufzuzeigen um
den Bildungsauftrag der Constitution( stituere ?)/Verfassung erfuellen zu koennen.
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Lehrende haben ein Problem,naemlich uns "spezifische" Sachlagen dingfest zu machen ,
Allgemeines wird verstaendnisvoll aufgenommen !
Fachsektor :Biologie + Analytik
ART SRT aus ARP SRP T=Theorie P=Praxis
R=Relativitaet/Verhaeltnis(Verhalten)
[mich hat es eine Extrarunde (Schuljahrwiederholung) gekostet:Primaere und Sekundare Geschlechtsteile-so ganz offen vor der Schulklasse wiedergeben- ! :-[ Warum gerade ich ?
Dazu habe ich nicht Muttis "immer schoen artig sein"-Kursus erhalten :P
Was ich darueber innerlich-und auesserlich-dachte -das ging anderen nichts an,darauf mein persoenliches Kodex-Ehrenwort:
"fuck you !"denkend und Stille dem Bio-Lehrer entgegenen: Note 6 size] :-\
"The Joy of S -ex "
Sexus:Geschlecht/-er : maskulinum,femininum,transsexual
Joy(Spielspass) : "The Joy of " Buch-Titel ueber Geschlechtsspiel(Verkehr)-Aufklaerung
beiderseitig ? ueber Menschen hinaus ?
Mensch
Mensch-Maschine
Maschine
Master and Servant-Hackordnung
Gock or Egg ? Egg or Gock ?
Auf-/Erklaerung:
Philologie und Philosophie
kirchl. und saekulare Paedagogen
kirchl.und oeffentlich-staatliche Bildungsanstalten
Klassik und Moderne
Futurismus
Utopie
Wort-/Bild-Spiel (Joy? Jogo/Yoga/Fun/Geilheit)
aktive/passive Part
COG'-NIS COG'NOSCERE GENESIS
Die Schoepfung Genetik Gen(-Technik) "in vitro" "artificial uterus" "aus Mark Samen schaffen"
Das Lernen,das Kennenlernen,die Erfahrung,die Erkenntnis:immer -oft.....-nie(wieder)
DAS FORMAT (Griechischiche Philosophie Eigenwort,uebersetzt)
Physik/Biologie/Informatk: die Schleife /das Endlos Band/der ewige Pfad
Erkenntnis/Erlebnis déja-vu
Das Sein : der moegliche Wechsel
die Haeufigkeit : begrenzt/unbegrenzt:
Gock : der Gockel(mask.,transsex.(Darwin !),fem.)- Egg/Ei/Ovo
oder die Henne (fem.,transs.,mask.)
das Kuecken(mask.,transs.,fem.)
das Ei (mask.,transs.,fem.)
Die Bild/Wort-Genesis : Artefakte und Sinn/Zweck Art/Weise
erst mal Pause,spaeter(irgendwann mal)
kommen dann Bild-Wort-Film Darstellungen,welche vor ein paar Jahrhunderten ein "In quis..?"
von einigen "Goetter-Herren in Weiß(MIW 8) )" provoziert haette
Fortpflanzungs- Koerperfluessigkeiten : der Pfad
Darwin,Konrad Lorenz,S.Freud,CG Jung,Dale Carnegie und "News"
Hallo an alle Mitleser.Mitglieder und Besucher !
Das Griechische,als Philosophie und als "annektierte" Sprachgrundlage ging in den
Wortschatz des Romanischen ueber,dem Latein.(als Hochsprache und Dialekte)
ZEUS~IOS/IOVE zu JUPITER
Der Vatican stellt den letzten Rest des antiken roemischen Imperiums dar,
Hort auch der Archive,
geistliche und weltliche Werte der Antike bewahrend .
Diese Werte galten auch im Wirkungsbereich des "Heiligen Roemischen Reiches
Deutscher Nation " l
Ueber Karl dem Grossen und der nach dessem Tod
darauffolgenden Teilungen (Austria/Franz-Reich,et cet.) entstand ueber die Zeit das
"Deutsche Reich",innerlich gespalten durch die Reformation und deren
Folgen,Protestantismus.
Aus dem "Deutschen Reich" teilte sich es sich dann
die Bundesrepublik Deutschland
und die "Deutsche Demokratische Republik" , aufgenommen jeweils als Nationen bei den
"Vereinten Nationen" ,wobei die S.P.D(vor Bad Godesberg) und S.E.D.
massfuehrend taetig waren,als sozialistische Parteien.
N.ational + S.ozialistisch = Nationalsozialistisch /NS
Verknuepfueng (Mengenlehre)
Ein Begriff sagt wenig ueber die innere Qualitat aus.
"Nation" fuer die napoleonische Philosophie ein "Symbol-Wert" der suggestiven
Identifikation.
3D-Hardware und 4D-NLP-Fertigungs-Software wird konfessionelle und
professionelle Limitierungen ueberwinden lassen /helfen.
Anstatt 1000Worte eine Anzahl Pixels zur Replikation der inneren Vision:
der sendende Neurophone in empfangender Neuro-Scan Funktion
Bild-/Wort-/4D- sprachliche Unlogik ist auch bei der Bedienung der Informatk-orientierten
Maschienen erkennbar,die Maschine kennzeichnet den Staat =Apparat
in verkleinertem-Aggegats-Zustand
SYNTAX ERROR als Resultat : "nicht verstaendlich",aus Maschinen-Gott/Subject-Position
Gott ist ja D'I ,dem Wesen in uns=die Software,NLP
D'I ~de I repraesentiert : "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod" als Spruch
Pronomen Pronomen
a et ab
de
ex e
cum et sine
pro et prae
Quote from: lancaIV on June 13, 2014, 04:46:07 PMblah blah blah,
trolling, trolling, trolling, trolling,
blah, blah, blah.
Cearly you are a troll.
Quote from: bugler on June 21, 2014, 10:18:16 AM
Cearly you are a troll.
#3768 bis #3782 sind Beitraege verschiedener Members vom 13.Juni.2014,
darunter auch meine Teilhabe !
Bugler,Sie haben recht,ich waere ein Troll,haette ich so einen Beitrag gegenueber einer Person geschrieben,ohne naehere Argumentationen gleich mit,erlaeuternd,anzugeben.
Da es um"mir zugeschriebene Worte"geht,so erscheint es mir,dass es Ihnen nur darum,mich zu reizen ,"wieder aktiv zu werden".
Sie geben ja kein : # ........ an !
Reizen kann man uns Menschen auf viele Arten und Weisen,mit diesen Reizen umzugehen,den wahren Hintergruenden nachzugehen,kann uns das Gesetz der Wahrscheinlichkeit ,die Potentialeauflistung,die An-/Bei-/Zu-Ordnung,erteilen -das Pro-/Contra-Abwaegen und schliesslich und letztendlich daraus das Urteil,fuer sich
gewinnen lassen !
Fuer sich heisst aber auch immer ein Gewissensentscheid,denn die Subjektivitaet wie Objektivitaet kann von Urteilsspruch-und Entscheidungsweg-Unkundigen missgedeutet bzw. "nicht persoenlich angenehm" aufgenommen werden ! Ein Urteilsspruch kann aber auch von aussen manipuliert werden,durch jeglicer Art
und Weise von Korruption- bekannt als "Rechtsbeugung(Gen.-Fall,die Beugung des Straf-Rechtes).
Ich bin Mensch und Mann und ein einfaches Mitglied hier und kann jederzeit gehen -
wenn ich fertig bin oder "andersartig entfernt" werde ??? ::) ;) !
Ich bin hier ,ausser der Geduld des Administrators und einiger wohlwollender Beitraege-Members niemanden anderen was schuldig !
Die Logik ist in ein jedem von uns allen.
Mit ihr kann man schoepfen/erschaffen,aber leider auch vernichten,manch ein Mal
ist es aber notwendig,wenn es sich um eine Reaktion handelt,
aber auch im"positiven Sinne :Recycling"moeglich:
Formvernichtung-aber Materialwiederverwendung.
Einen ebenso geruhsamen Restsonntag,Member bugler
OCWL
Logik a, ALLAH AL LA H im Sinne der Dreifaltigkeit : Vater-Sohn und heiliger Geist in anderen Regionen
Schah-in-Schah oder auch der Herr-im-Herrn(welche Dekalog-Kategorie ?)
ISIS ~ XX = X² in Portugal: oxala,das Schicksal betreffend:
so der "HERR/GEIST/GOTT" es will
333 bei ISSO'S Keilerei :
WELT(-en)KRIEG "Eherne/ewige Feuer" WELT(-en)FRIEDE "Ewige Friede"
Ochsenjoch-Knotenwerk
-Zerschneidung (schnell,ueberhastet),
nicht Losloesung(behutsam,beruecksichtigend und vorrausschauend)
"Krieg und Frieden"
Sharif(im Nachnamen Omars vorzufinden) :der Rechtshueter
Sharif-im-Sharif
Auf Remis beim Xadrez,Chess,Schach spielen Fairness
und zu allerletzt der Selbst-Justiz :
Sich-selbst-kontrollieren (~FSK)
nicht das Recht auf eigene Faust an Anderen ausueben
auch beim Beschuldigen beachten:
3-Finger-Regel
aber auch dass einem Amtsmann auch Privatsphaee gegoennt sein soll
( wie ich es tat,wenn ich eine Person anklage/beschuldige)
wie 1 Papst+ 3 Vizepaepste 168 Wochenstunden ! gegenueber +/- 40 Arbeitssunden woche
1 Koenig + 3 Vizekoenige
1 Praesident+ 3 Vizepraesidenten
Von uns Menschen Dinge und Ziele einfordern koennen/wollen/sollen/duerfen
die aus allgemeiner Sichtweise auch erreichbar sind.
Es gibt keine Eile .
Und die gesamte Natur in unsere Uberlegungen mit einbeziehen.
Die gesamte Natur empfinden: com amor (l'ama) und/com sexo
Wer das liest,definiere ich einfach mal als:Mensch,maennlicher,weiblicher und transsexueller Gattung !
Verschiedene Jahre alt(altus:sowohl hoch also hohen Alters wie auch tief(=nieder):jung !
Empfinden : und
auf eine ! Aussage so ! oder so ? reagieren
oder auf eine ? Aussage,Frage ?,mit bedachter Antwort ! anbei Begruendung
und mit "zufrieden ?" (Gegenreaktion:Feedback ) und dann gegebener Antwort
hoffentlich "O-key :) !" selbst wieder in Frieden/Ruhe gelassen zu werden,
man/Mann hat ja noch einiges anderes,Wichtiges,zu tun !
bugler,wo finden Sie das "Big M in okay" ?
in blablabla-Ausweichantwort oder K.I.S.S.-Methodik ?
Was wissen wir Menschen ,Sie-bugler oder ich,ueber das Wesen ""der verbotenen Stadt",
mit welcher schoepferischen "GABE" ?
Wir duerfen heutzutage,ohne ein Ehren-Kodex zu beschaedigen oder es zu wollen,ueber diese
Halb-Goetter schreiben,reden,mit ihnen vielleicht"face-2-face" gegenuberstehen,weil ein
Bann befreit wurde,nach aussen hin,in den "verbotenen Staedten" existiert er noch:
Oberhaepter der geistlichen und weltlichen Sphaere in Personalunion
Magnaten/Kineten
Tokio : der "TENNO"-Kaiser-Palast mit ummauertem Park
Lhasa : der " - LAMA"-Tempelbezirk
Beijing/Peking : der Kaiserpalast
Teno-chitlan/Mexiko-City : der Tempelbezirk
London und Windsor: Keen/Queen
Das Wesen
als es auch viele "verbotene Buecher" gibt ,wobei ein Anblick derer uns allen Einblick und Verstaendnis ueber das vorher/nacher-Moment geben mag,wann und wo dem Autor zu einem gegebenem realem kriegerischen Ereignis und "Why?"-Empfindung mit einem
"Wie loesen ? So vielleicht !" um die Bewaeltigung der Friedenssituation -mit sich-und dann mit seinem Anhang .der Region,Nation,Nationen-Allianz dem aeusseren ,vielleicht Freund oder Feind ,
bis hin zu kosmischen Gefahren!
Wohin ein Elefant hintritt da waechst kein Gras mehr !
Wo sich zwei Galaxien kannibalisiernd streiten,da freut sich -abwartend-die dritte !
de-/materisalisierend
de-/karnieren
U.N.- Humankind-Archive:
Moses:AT(-NT)
David :Tora und Goliath
Jesu Criste: AT/NT
Maome: Koran
Luther:AT/NT auf Nieder-Deutsch
Napoleon:Gesetzeswerk Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit
Marx/Engels: Das Manifest
Hitler: Mein Kampf (wie haetten wir alle auf die 1.Weltkrieg-Kriegsschaupllaetze
schriftlich und offen fuer jeden lesbar reagiert ?)
Mao: das rote Buch
Khadafi: das gruene Buch
O.Waalkes : Das Buch
Keine Bellitristik : subversiv Waffen wie Werkzeuge/Instrumentarien
wie auch der bewaehrte roemische Freizeitzerstoerer :
bello( =der Kampf") gallico
"Mein Kampf" in Gallien (a-tras os montes)
alles persoenliche Selbstbetrachtungen darstellend,metamorphosen(Ovid)
wo dann damit Ideologien "aufgebaut" wurden
mens Meditations-/corpore Medizin-Buch
GEIST KOERPER
Als Crist meine ich,dass wenn ich koerperlich krank bin ich von einem Medicus verlangen darf ,dass dieser- neben der natuerlichen Weltenordnung (auch beschrieben in den "klassischen" Dekalog-Gebote) auch ueber eine solide,fundierte,medizinische Ausbildung verfuegt + Instrumente !
Ich habe die Bibel,zumindest eine Version davon gelesen,dieses reicht aber nicht einem Verkehrspolizisten,
wenn dieser nach meinen Papieren frgt,ihm mit einer Bibel in der Hand zu sagen und fragen :
Das sind meine Papiere ! Die sind doch hoffentlich in Ordnung,oder doch nicht ?"(Er ist zufrieden,wenn ich ihm einfach erst mal den "FUEHRER ::) schein" zeige, das ist das Wichtige fuer seine Polizeiwelt ; falls Problem: + Reisepasss/Personalausweis/Fahrzeugschein/Fahrzeugbrief)
eine logische verstaendliche Grund-/Basis/Fundament-Ordnung-Gesetzgebung ,dazu dann Verodnungen(auf natuerliche und menschliche Zyklen(Bio-Rhytmus/Genuetszyklus[(Launen bis zu den mannischen Maximen
Hysterie(wie reagiert der Gewinner ?) oder Euphorie(wie reagiert der Verlierer)]
Wie haben nun eine ART/SRT,welche fuer den Makrokosmos immer wieder neu fuer "Bestaetigung" findet : auch fuer den gesamten -hin uebergehenden-Mikrokosmos ?)
Bestaetigung: Bestand,Zustand - fuer alle Zeit und ewig ? hier und ueberall ?
Wir Deutsche sind neben den Dichtern und Denkern auch ein Volk von Gesellschaftsspielern;
neben neuzeitliche e-Spielen auch einfache Brettspiele oder mit "einfachem Bleistift und Papier" "A--Z:Stadt-Land-Fluss-...."
spielend: foerdert die GEIST-ige Brain-Taetigkeit,laeest uns in deutschen A-Z Lexikas Bestaetigung fuer Rechtschreibvermutungen und -Bestaetigung geben und aber auch zu den dort gegeben Bildern Erklaerungen,Darstellungen und Formeln(A-Z Physik Atlas);
uns spueren lassen,wie es sich anfuehlt(dabei andere beobachtend ? ;) ) zu "Siegen !" oder eben Zweiter,Dritter,...... "Letzter und Verlierer !"zu sein .
(Gott-) Kaiser,Koenig,........Bettelmann.
Jeder hat auch das Recht Letzter sein zu wollen ! Yes,you can
Was wir als Babies und ueber die Entwicklung "zum reifem Menschen" so alles -im und wahrend des Spiels-erfahren,kann im Alltag immer nuetzlich sein. (kleine-Grosse Verhaltensforschung)
immer gut fuer Amor(Saudade,Fado) und Sexo(Tango)-Situationen und dieses ueber viele Arten und Weisen fortpflanzen,bei guter Muttererde.
Also bugler: Wo findet ist das Big m ? In okay ? Will you mokay me ?
Nicht vergessen,mit ueberkonfessionellem Humor,reagieren !
Schaetzungsweise die Situation eines Papstes und Anhang beim Besuch der frisch renovierten
Sixtinischen Kapelle nach der Fudji-finanzierten Bloss-(frei-/Offenbarlegung fischer Wansmalerei-Eindruecke ? :-[ ??? :o
Ich muss nicht den Roma/ITA-Vatikan-Stadtstaat direkt besuchen:
hau mir nur mal einen "Die Borghias" rein ! Soddom und Gomorrha
Bibel +
Koran + 1001
Kamasutra
................
nach Welt-Katastrophen(Sturm und "Frieden-"Drang) :
gleich neu "Heureka !-Krieg-/Friedenbedienungsanleitungen"
nur fuer spezifisch/nationale Raeume gueltig mit zeitlichem Verfallsdatum ?
U.N.-Universal-Sozial-Gesetzes-Werk, CHARTA :ausreichend SBG: Sozialgesetzbuecher ,zwecks Aufklaerung
wie einseitiger Humor,amor und sexo zu ertragen sein sollen
mit gleicher "Waffe" zurueckgezahlt wird !
aber Aufklaerung sollte auch seine Grenzen(FSK) haben :
Trevor Horn Im-/Expressions-Werk ueber die "Lesben ! really ? t.a.t.o.o. und das arme Madel in der Toillette ,
so nach dem verlorenem Key zu suchen ,hat sich im Beutel verschwunden!
Fuer jung-alte Anreiflinge zur tieferen Einsicht geeignet,oder Freigabeeinschraenkung ?
Wieviele Soldaten weltweit kennen "Papis Strumtruppen"-Comic(Wehrkraft-Aufbau) ?
Clever & Smart
Obelix & Asterix
Walt-Disneys Gesamtwerk,inklusive Naturfilme
Wieviel ist der Nobelpreis wirklich wert,wenn sich nur Wenige um die Umsetzung dessen Grund-Ziels kuemmert,damit sich alle im Voelkerbund( Bund ) repraesentiert fuehlen,bei UNitedNations-Voting direkt ihre Stimme geben koennen ? Basisdemokratisch ,zu FSK-Kondition und geistiger Reife ?Verbotene Staedt,mit den Lichtgestalt-Wesen,welchen man nicht in die Augen schauen sollte,
da sonst Halb-schwanger,Gedanken-, oder ganz-schwanger :
Aus Spass wurde Ernst und ERNST kann jetzt schon laufen !
(Buck Rogers: wie treiben die es ? :-\ ::) ;D
Gedanken sind Dinge/Dinge sind Gedanken : was macht ein
Schriftsteller/Drehbuchautor,metaphysisch ? )
Eingeborene Soehne und Toechter,Himmelskinder-Philosophie : 13.der Kreis
12.Kinder/Tier/Stern
XO-XO : Voulez-vous kucher avec moi ?
Do you want to horse with me ? SI-SI,sollte deren Antwort scho sain !
XI-XI:Humor wird erwartet ! ;)
Chi Phi Sektor
Meint er es nun allgemein oder spezifisch ?
Makro-oder micro-cosmisch ? Oder -und- ?
Global-allgemein oder Nationen-/Voelker-spezifisch ?
Humor kennt keine Grenzen,kann auch "schraeger Humor" sein
ueber alle Grenzen -Raum/Zeit-lich hinweg-und hinueber
Und wenn einer mich z.B. als " IDIOT !" bezeichnet,dann nehme ich mir die Zeit
diesen nach " im spezifischen ?" oder "im allgemeinen ? !" nachzufragen,
zwecks persoenlicher Aufklaerung,denn ich moechte immer gerne wissen ueber die
Reife-Graduierung meines gegenuebers: Cretin oder Co-Creator
Wenn ich z.B. "Lee" beleidigen wuerde und er ueber die Gewaltmacht verfuegt/
verfuegen wuerde alle in seinen Stamm-Zellen enthaltenen Voelker telephatisch zusammen zu rufen um gegen mich Prozess zu fuehren,dann haette ich nach einer solchen Waage-Mut Versuchung-als kleiner Mann- ein groesseres Problem : was erlauben er sich !
(Nebenbei: Lee,ist es nicht einfacher und kuerzer nachzuschauen,
was Sie nicht haben ? Eine einfache,unbefangene,Frage: hoffe ,nicht Ihnen unangenehm -sondern behilflich- zu sein !Ertrage man es einfach: mit Fassung,Kontour)
Was ist : "Fakt "? Was ist: " Fiktion" ?
Wo faengt/hoert auf : der Mikro- und Makro-Kosmos ?
Makro-Kosmos- SRT / ART
Mikro-Kosmos- SRT / ART
Limitierung und Eliminirung : Begruendung
"Deutsch" Duden-Lexikon :
neurologische Orthographie-Bedeutung:
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Gott ~ Wesen
Wesens/Gott-Gewalten
Ordnung-s-Wesen Ordnung-s-Gott
Bildung-s-Wesen Bildung-s-Gott
Recht-s-Wesen Recht-s-Gott
Handels-s-Wesen Handels-s-Gott
Finanz-Wesen Finanz-Gott Amt-s-Wesen Amt-s-Gott
Gott-Vergewaltigung: Hochverrat !
BR Deutschland:dieses ist die einzige Straftat,auf die die Todesstrafe auch in Friedenszeiten auszueben ist,als Staatsakt-oder durch den Taeter durch Selbsttoetung-falls couragiert genug !
Vermoegen- i-/materiell - geht -wieder- in Staatseigentum ueber !
Der Prozess ist im Laufen,die Exekutionskondition als schriftliche Mahnung im GG/STGB einlesbar "GOTT IST EIN KOMMUNISTISCHES WIRKPRINZIP"
a "la Modell-Familia",mit allen Verruecktheiten (und Bloessen: auch im Bad)
Herder : Ur-Cristentum ,kommunistische Ur-Zelle erst :o
dann Lenin.Weltkommunismus,Bibelbasiert ???
dann P.M.-neurologisches Delta-Vogel-/PartnerVerhaeltnis 8) :
I and omyGott: eine verhaengnis-? lose Affaere ;D
Engel und Be/ngel-Story :-*
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Gott und die Existenz erklaert die algebraische wie geometrische ,also in-/formative,
Recht-Schreibung als auch dieses ueber 3D-Hard-/Software erkennbar ist.
3D-Stereolithographic-Hard-/Software: iGOD-Operator
Objects:
Selbst-Justiz :
Selbst-Limitieren und/oder Selbst-Eliminieren
und Selbst-Kreiren
my laws and orders in 1:1 ,,based by" c'est naturelle,aussi " :-*
mais seulement por tittis-and-facts ;)
a.IGott-Operator b. wo noetig "Selbst-Hand anlegen" wo noetig
den Rest macht Gott fuer uns liberal NATURE-NLP
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant (http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant)ónio_Egas_Moniz
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant)ónio_Caetano_de_Abreu_Freire_Egas_Moniz
fisiologia/Physiologie
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympische_Spiele_der_Antike (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympische_Spiele_der_Antike)
Hohepriesterin Phytia/Fisia
Solar plexus : "in kleiner 2-beiniger Ausfuehrung: Sternchen und Star " und in grosser
Ausfuehrung am Firmament: "o Sol(mask.) die Sonne(fem.)
Logisch-neuronale Vereinbarung ? Transsexualitat im Software-Sprachenbereich
Waere ich eine konstruierte Denkmaschine,wuerde mein Eindruck ueber das Leben da draussen sein "Die Goetter muessen verrueckt sein "
ire +errare : irren ?
Die Goetter scheinen Gehirnamputiert zu sein
Mit Verwechselungen kann ich umgehen,habe es erleben/-lernen duerfen :P ,die Homo-/Bisexualitaet ist nicht mein Ding !
Heute-Show,nach den miesen Hiob-Job Heute-Nachrichten :
Oliver Weltecke(Rudi Manier ?)
Westerwelle und der zugenaehte Kaftan Der war gut,der gespielte Witz,Klasse !
Westerwelle schwer an Leukaemie erkrankt ! Welchen Witz reimen wir uns daraus ?
Ueber welchen Zustand koennen wir Deutsche uns am Besten beweisen: ueber die Schadenfreude und der allgemeinen und spezifischen Witzklasse,nur Kennen und Geniessern ersichtlich !
Es gibt Menschen,die sind eben "anders" !
Josef Mengele testete dieses waidvoll aus ! Fasst grenzenlos und auch spaeter noch beschuetzt und unterstuetzt !
Colonia Dignidade,disziplierte deutsche Ordnung
wie bei anderen KL-aenlichen Lahern Suedamerikas
zu Diensten des deutschstaemmigen Diktators Stroessner
Allendes, Ibanez und Anderen
Rueckgabe geliehener und geraubter i-/materieller Kulturgueter weltweit
Eigentuemer-/Besitzer-Rechtstitel
imateriell:
Herr Stoiber,zweien Stoibern ward der verliehene Titel-Grad schon aberkannt worden entschrechend derer Unwuerdigkeit !
Bezueglich Ihrer,Herr Doktor Edmund Stoiber "DEUTSCH-Definition" :die Sprache als imaterielles Kultur-Gut,daraus alle ihrer adaptierten/adoptierten Teile entnommen,dieses auf die Sprache
"Deutsch" bezogen : Wieviel Worte waeren dann von Ihnen ,Herr Doktor....? Edmund Stoiber dann noch in Zukunft zu hoeren !Wohl sehr viel weniger als bei der,auf "Stoibersche Intelligenz"-basierten "Transrapid-Erding-Muenchen Wegstrecke-Beschreibung".
Titel-Ablegung,freiwillig ? Aus eigener Ueberzeugung ?
Verleihung: Begruendung Ablegung/Aberkennung:Begruendung
Dr.h.c.: Dr.Helmut Kohl Vorsaetzlich bestraft=Krimineller
Almer Mater Coimbra : Wuerdig,diese Vertretung ?
Universidade Coimbra=criminal ?
Alle Titel und Diplome und deren Traeger auf gegenseitige Wuerdigkeit ueberpruefen !
Patente,TM-Markrn-Rechte
Ein reproduzierbares 1:1=2 System aussen
1:1=1 System innen
Duale Weg
Meine Ordnung ist unordentlich:
Theologie ueber alle Konfessionen und Wissenschaft ueber alle Professionen : Teleologie,Buckminster Fullers Geruest-Vorgaben "Fullerene"
Wie wird der "Neue Mensch/Newman" der Zukunft wohl sein ?
Elternschaft: Paternidade +Maternidade in einem=Alleinerziehende zeigen es
Verantwortung fuer/ueber die zwei/"3" Geschlechter durch eine Person!
Esse-n-s-Zeit
Guten Appetitt !
OCWL
Fertig mit dem Essen.
Duden-Lexikon : " Gott: ...das Wesen ,...." das Goettliche=Ordnung
Pro geschriebenen N(euro)L(ingual)=GG/STGB/HGB/BGB-Plan
100% Exekution:
Ordnungs-Kraefte
Ordnungs-Wesen
Bildungs-Wesen
Schul-Wesen
Rechts-Wesen
Ob Gott existiert ? ::) Aus welcher Beobachtungsposition ?
Ordnungs-/Koerper-/Vergewaltigung
Rechts-/Koerper-/Vergewaltigung
Gott-Vergewaltigung ?
Hochverrat !
die einzige Straftat in Friedenszeiten in Deutschland
die mit dem TOD bestraft zu werden hat,ohne Ausnahme :
Rechtsgueltig ,GG,STGB
Herr Praesident Joachim Gauk,Deutschland schaut auf Sie ! Was werden Sie tun !
Ich gehoere zu einer Generation,die von sich aus den Notstand ausgerufen hat !
Gedanken sind Dinge
digit -al Zeitalter
digg-it !
1500: 300 Millionen Erdenbuerger 2014:7000 Millionen Erdenbuerger
Wir mussten viele unserer Gedanken abtreiben und zerstoeren,innen
Ich empfinde,denke und sage offen frei : limitiert ! Oder eliminiert !
IancaIV,
For those us in America and Great Britain, is it possible for you to render your comments in English? I would actually go to the trouble of Internet-translating the text, but experience demonstrates to me your peculiar dialect in German is unreadable on the output in prose.
Can you include English text with your comments?
--Lee
Here's an example of what this thread is about:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/fragile-states-index-us-South-Sudan-Somalia/2014/06/27/id/579632/ (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/fragile-states-index-us-South-Sudan-Somalia/2014/06/27/id/579632/)
And who's thinking we'll be around to see prosperity and plenty for citizens in this country? In the near or far future?? I don't think so.
That's why I started this thread.
Try and get ready:
1) Get a PREFERABLY legal gun and enough ammo for it...
2) Grow food crops in the woods or wilderness that're planted amongst natural plants/trees, so that it looks like the real plants/trees...
3) Stay in touch with like-minded people who're doing the same thing as you. That way you're ready for whatever comes along...
4) Plan an escape route as part of an exit plan. I myself have one ready...
5) Learn the basics of First Aid or enlist someone reliable who already knows---preferably a doctor...
6) Build a power generating system like the one I've touted in the past on another site: Thusly,
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapt7.html
You might be able to think more of these up, yourself. Just a suggestion or two...
--Lee
Since this thread has been changed to jewish history,I will no longer post here.As i do not know german and have no interest in jewish history.I may post in another thread but i am not interested in the topic discussed here.triffid
Quote from: triffid on June 29, 2014, 10:46:05 AM
Since this thread has been changed to jewish history,I will no longer post here.As i do not know german and have no interest in jewish history.I may post in another thread but i am not interested in the topic discussed here.triffid
I agree, trifffid...
The thread was rather hijacked by one or more Members, NOT including us.
I've been dealing with serious health issues (i.e., skin cancer---and I'm about to be treated for it by the V.A. in San Francisco).
Furthermore, I've taken a job in national defense; it's a job with "an offer I couldn't refuse." Literally.
After you posted last, triffid, it's been quiet around here lately. I know why, but half the reason is/was: Certain spiritual issues, in a certain way---and also, the other half: I was told not to give out the absolute truth, regarding the overall subject I would have been talking about.
I said "national defense", didn't I?
Enough.My health issues, as well as the need to put food on my table, both add up to my not being around much in the future. I'll look in at some threads that interest me, but this will be the
last post on this thread for awhile.
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on June 29, 2014, 10:46:05 AM
Since this thread has been changed to jewish history,I will no longer post here.As i do not know german and have no interest in jewish history.I may post in another thread but i am not interested in the topic discussed here.triffid
Hello triffid,
this thread is about this "theme : I see an economic diasater coming... (http://www.overunity.com/8010/i-see-an-economic-diasater-coming/msg409045/#new) "
and I give only my mentions about the global view about the global evolution and U.S.A. evolution possibilities :
after evolution review !
Interdisciplinary ! But as external knowledge student,neither "University grade" approved
(Abitur ,in German) nor University aula visiting,
but reading - experimenting and thinking about "credo/credibility" and "scio/science" and
left hand lines and right hand lines comparance : "destination" the program(m)atic C.V. !
You do not need to believe in religion but you will have to accept some magical possibiliteis
which are offered by "some- ;) " thing what you did not found up to day-
cause you would not be here as member : passing free-time :)
There is - hard teleologic science- and -soft teleologic science- ,here a soft example :
https://archive.org/details/MontyPython-TheMeaningOfLife1983 (https://archive.org/details/MontyPython-TheMeaningOfLife1983)
::) Think =decide telescopical : back and for-ward !
Excerzising your internal time-machine review ::)
REPORT
Shalom-Salam und Tschau- vale bene !
OCWL
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 08, 2014, 03:41:25 PM
I agree, trifffid...
The thread was rather hijacked by one or more Members, NOT including us.
I've been dealing with serious health issues (i.e., skin cancer---and I'm about to be treated for it by the V.A. in San Francisco).
Furthermore, I've taken a job in national defense; it's a job with "an offer I couldn't refuse." Literally.
After you posted last, triffid, it's been quiet around here lately. I know why, but half the reason is/was: Certain spiritual issues, in a certain way---and also, the other half: I was told not to give out the absolute truth, regarding the overall subject I would have been talking about.
I said "national defense", didn't I?
Enough.
My health issues, as well as the need to put food on my table, both add up to my not being around much in the future. I'll look in at some threads that interest me, but this will be the last post on this thread for awhile.
--Lee
Hello Lee
(what is the matter with your health issues ? ??? Do not be so worry :-\ and against brain
complications here one recipe :" Marty Feldmann ,this virtual pills in many different aromatics available ::) https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=marty+feldman+youtube (https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=marty+feldman+youtube)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Feldman
and
how long is "for awhile" from earth historic age view ?
Sincerely
OCWL
Hello Lee,
yesterday,Thursday 09.07.2014, I walked on the Castro de Sao Paio/San Pelayo,besides Vila Chá :
in Labruge/Vila do Conde , over Runes(letters)
http://fotos.sapo.pt/daraopedal/fotos/?uid=o92VTqKRQup7DfjpbFNs (http://fotos.sapo.pt/daraopedal/fotos/?uid=o92VTqKRQup7DfjpbFNs)
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=6340819 (http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=6340819)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runen (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runen)
https://www.google.de/search?q=runen&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=sOu9U6ftGcXz0gXlpIGIBg&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=612 (https://www.google.de/search?q=runen&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=sOu9U6ftGcXz0gXlpIGIBg&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=612)
and searched the way back from our language up
to the Skyten/Skhyten and saw also this video on youtube :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKflxooXUko (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKflxooXUko)
complaining with
Der dreizehnte Stamm
Der dreizehnte Stamm (englisch (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englische_Sprache) The Thirteenth Tribe) ist ein 1976 erschienenes Sachbuch (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachbuch) von Arthur Koestler (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Koestler), das sich populärwissenschaftlich mit der umstrittenen These beschäftigt, das östliche Judentum (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juden_in_Osteuropa) stamme vom Volk der Chasaren (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chasaren) ab. Dieses bildete im frühen Mittelalter ein Reich in Südrussland und nahm, zumindest zum Teil, die jüdische Religion (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCdische_Religion) an. Koestler bezieht sich auf Abraham N. Poliak (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_N._Poliak).
Obwohl die These in der Öffentlichkeit Aufmerksamkeit erregte, wurde sie von den etablierten Historikern abgelehnt. Neueren genetischen (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetik) Forschungen, die gegen einen nennenswerten Anteil an chasarischen Vorfahren unter den heute lebenden Aschkenasim (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aschkenasim) sprechen,[1] (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_dreizehnte_Stamm#cite_note-1) widersprach der israelische Genetiker Eran Elhaik, der in einer DNA-Analyse (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA-Analyse) eine hohe Übereinstimmung zwischen dem Genom (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genom) der aschkenasischen Juden und der Völker im Kaukasus (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaukasus) feststellte.[2] (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_dreizehnte_Stamm#cite_note-2)[3] (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_dreizehnte_Stamm#cite_note-3)[4] (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_dreizehnte_Stamm#cite_note-4)Unterstützung erhielt Elhaiks Arbeit vom israelischen Historiker Shlomo Sand (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shlomo_Sand), der darin eine Bestätigung der Thesen in seinem Buch Die Erfindung des jüdischen Volkes sieht.[5] (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_dreizehnte_Stamm#cite_note-5)[/font][/size]
Viele Antizionisten (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antizionismus) und Antisemiten (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitismus_(nach_1945)) beriefen sich später auf Koestlers Werk, um die Legitimität des Staates Israel (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) zu bestreiten.[6] (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_dreizehnte_Stamm#cite_note-6)[7] (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_dreizehnte_Stamm#cite_note-7) Koestler selbst war sich der Gefahr des Missbrauchs durchaus bewusst und schrieb dazu: ,,Ob die Chromosomen seines Volkes nun die Gene der Chasaren oder solche semitischer, romanischer oder spanischer Herkunft enthalten, ist irrelevant und kann nicht das Existenzrecht Israels (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existenzrecht_Israels) berühren – noch auch die moralische Verpflichtung jedes zivilisierten Menschen, ob Nichtjude (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi_(Nichtjude)) oder Jude (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juden), dieses Recht zu verteidigen."[/font][/size]Ausgaben[Bearbeiten (http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Der_dreizehnte_Stamm&action=edit§ion=1)]The Thirteenth Tribe. The Khazar Empire and its Heritage. Hutchinson, London 1976, ISBN 0-09-125550-3 (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:ISBN-Suche/0091255503)[/li]
[li]Der dreizehnte Stamm. Das Reich der Khasaren und sein Erbe. Aus dem Englischen übertragen von Johannes Eidlitz. Molden, Wien/München/Zürich 1977, ISBN 3-217-00790-5 (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:ISBN-Suche/3217007905); Pawlak, Herrsching 1991, ISBN 3-88199-878-0 (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:ISBN-Suche/3881998780)[/li]
[li][/font][/size]Literatur[Bearbeiten (http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Der_dreizehnte_Stamm&action=edit§ion=2)][/font][/size]
https://www.google.de/search?q=castro+de+sao+paio&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tOy9U6-FAeq20QWopYCgAg&ved=0CCIQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=612 (https://www.google.de/search?q=castro+de+sao+paio&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tOy9U6-FAeq20QWopYCgAg&ved=0CCIQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=612)
Knesseth, der Staat Israel ist multitheistisch,
nicht nur juedisch-israelitisch-avramaeisch !
Cosmopolitisch-wie ein jeder Buerger und Buergerin !
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I am living here in an aerea with some million years of history about biological/fossil live ,
but also human/citizen evolution whose evolution today is not even "touched" cause the several
hundred thousands of years of citania/civilisation are now to find in subaquatic dimension !
Some tens of kilometers from coast line to sea will have to become researched and the history explored !
About the S.Paio tableau runes I would estimate- by turning the runes:
the first rune indicates Ur ~ A'U'e'r in symbolic "cornu-manner" and going back to mesopotamiens
abrahamic-babylonic language misunderstandings: cow ranching Viehzucht
the second rune: kraut ranching ::) Acker/Agrar -Bau
the third rune : a(i)r-rogance (like bird feet spurs on fine sand)
Have a good day in Great Los An'kh'eles,California
OCWL
p.s.: pardon triffid but this makes part of the world exploring,since the Templers :
Michelin "Portugal Madeira-Acores" page 171 (in Portuguese) :
Os judeus sefarditas (ou sefardins) chegaram à peninsula ibérica na Antiguidade ("Sefarad" é a palavra hebraica que designa a Peninsula Ibérica).
Na idade Média,tiveram um papel économoico e cultural extremamente importante : os reis de Portugal rodeavam-se de banqueiros e médicos judeus,nos quais confiavam plenamente.
Por isso foi contra vontade que D.Manuel I,
para poder dasar com D.Isabel,filha dos Reis Católicos de Espanha,teve de expulsar todos os judeus em 1497,o que representou um auténtico desastre para a economia do pais.Alguns judeus emigraram,muitos converteram-se ao cristianismo. A maioria dos "Cristaos Novos" apesar de terem escolhido nomes como Cruz,Trindade,Santos,continuaram a practicar secretamente a sua religiao. Desta práctica religiosa,cristae e hebraica,nasceu o culto dos "marranos" (mahrán significa proibido em árabe ) Foram numerosos em Faro,no Porto,na Covilhae,em Tomar,Amarante e Castelo de Vide.
Google translator:
Sephardic Jews (Sephardim or) reached the Iberian peninsula in antiquity ("Sefarad" is the Hebrew word for the Iberian Peninsula).
In the Middle Ages, had an extremely important économoico and cultural role: the kings of Portugal is surrounded bankers and Jewish physicians, in which fully trusted.
So will that was against Manuel I,
to be able to D.Isabel dasar, daughter of the Catholic Kings of Spain, had to expel all Jews in 1497, representing a total disaster for the economy of pais.Alguns Jews emigrated, many were converted to Christianity. Most "new Christians" despite having chosen names like Cruz, Trinidad, Santos continued to secretly practicing their religion. This religious, cristae and Hebrew practice, worship of "Marranos" was born (Mahran means forbidden in Arabic) were numerous in Faro, Porto, in Covilhae in Tomar, Amarante and Castelo de Vide.
Read , also the different portuguese/english orthografic and content meanings !
Michelin "Portugal Madeira-Acores" page 170 :
"TOMAR" Distrito de Santarém
Dos Templários aos Cavaleiros de Cristo-
No inicio do séc. XII. em plena Reconquista,era aqui que passava a fronteira entre os Cristáos e os Mouros.A ordem dos Cavaleiros do Templo,que fora criada em Jerusalém em1119,edificou aqui em 1160 um convento-fortaleza que se tornou a casa maé da ordem em Portugal.
Em 1314, apedido do rei francés Filipe o Belo,o papa Clemente V ordenou a dissolucáo da ordem dos Templo. Em Portugal,o rei D.Dinis criou entáo,em1320, uma nova ordem, a dos Cavaleiros de Criso,que recuperou os bens da ordem do Templo e cujos frades cavaleiros eram na sua maioria antigos templários.A sede desta nova ordem foi em primeiro lugar estabelicida em Castro Marim,no Algarve,e em seguida em 1356 em Tomar.O periodo áureo dos Cavaleiros de Cristo situa-se no inicio do séc. XV. sendo entáo o Infante D.Henrique o seu grande mestre (1414 a 1460 ) . A fortuna imensa da ordempermite-lhe financiar as grandes descobrimentos,armando caravelas que arvoram o emblema da ordem, a grande cruz vermelha.
Os Portugueses exploram entáo a costa africana,contornam o Cabo da Boa-Esperanca e chegam á India.
Esta opuléncia traduz-se em Tomar pela riqueza da decoracáo manuelina.
Google translator:
Michelin "Portugal Madeira-Acores" page 170
"TAKE" Distrito de Santarém
Templar to Knights of Christ-
At the beginning of the century. XII. Reconquista in full, here was passing the boundary between Christians and Mouros.A order of the Knights Templar, which was created in Jerusalem em1119, built here in 1160 a convent-fortress that became the mother house of the order in Portugal.
In 1314, apedido the French King Philip the Fair, Pope Clement V ordered the dissolution of the Temple. In Portugal, the King Dinis So em1320, has created a new order, the Knights of Criso, who recovered the goods of the order of the Temple Knights, whose brothers were mostly antique templários.A headquarters of this new order was first estabelicida place in Castro Marim, Algarve, and then in 1356 in Tomar.O golden period of the Knights of Christ is located at the beginning of the century. XV. and then Prince Henry his Grand Master (1414-1460). The immense fortune ordempermite you finance the great discoveries setting caravels flying badge of the order, the big red cross.
The Portuguese then explore the African coast, skirting the Cape of Good Hope and India will arrive.
This translates into opulence take the wealth of Manueline decoration.
Google and my optimation(not perfect and not totally) :
Michelin "Portugal Madeira-Acores" page 170: "TOMAR" Distrito de Santarém
From the Templar to the Knights of Christ-
At the beginning of the century. XII. the Reconquista in full, here was passing the boundary between Christians and Mouros.An order of the Knights Templar, which was created in Jerusalem em1119, built here in 1160 a convent-fortress that became the mother house of the order in Portugal. In 1314, at the request of the French King Philip the Pretty, Pope Clement V ordered the dissolution of the Temple order . In Portugal, 1320,the King Dinis so created a new order, the Knights of Christ, who recovered the goods of the order of the Temple Knights, whose brothers were mostly ancient templers.A headquarters of this new order was first estabeliced in a place called Castro Marim, Algarve, and then in 1356 in Tomar.O golden period of the Knights of Christ is located at the beginning of the century. XV. with the Prince Henry as the order Grand Master (1414-1460). The immense fortune of the ordem allowed him to finance the great discoveries setting caravels flying badge of the order, the big red cross. The Portuguese then explore the African coast, skirting the Cape of Good Hope and reached India . This opulence is shown us by the decorative richdom from the manuelian style in Tomar.
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If somebody mokes me about my personal translation style :P then I will moke him back with
Google translations , so cryptical, not to say gruftie-groovie 8) ;)
Do not trust even professionell translators, as comedian warning :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROjvFGU2tDY&feature=kp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROjvFGU2tDY&feature=kp)
"BS" happens in reality :
http://www.uebersetzerportal.de/nachrichten/n-archiv/2005/2005-04/2005-04-12.htm (http://www.uebersetzerportal.de/nachrichten/n-archiv/2005/2005-04/2005-04-12.htm)
Irrtum,Herr Wladimir Putin,dabei nicht Sie-als Germanisten-,sondern natuerlich Karl Marx berichtigend :
" Plebejer aller Welt,vereinigt euch ! " So haette es zu Heißen gehabt !
Latein: plebs/plebejer versus proles/proleta
Marx und Engels ,den Kontext nicht begriffen !
I am working on a project with my brother and we are generating a few watts of power but that is really for another thread.Which I may or may not start.I already mentioned it before in this thread.The USA economy is declining and has been for the last 50 years.The world overall is getting richer but at the expense of the USA. That is how I see things now.triffid
a letter I got in email states that come sept 16,2014 a lot of things may change:
"It's coming our way in the next 6 months—and no one has a clue."~R.D..; income specialist—worked at America's 3rd largest bank"Income Extermination":
Why "Safe" Investors May
Lose Everything Within
the Next 6 Months
Dear Friend,
On September 16th, 2014, the U.S. Government is going to make a move that could radically alter your retirement.
Certain stocks could drop by 80%.
Bonds and funds could drop even further.
Certain bank accounts may become almost worthless.
In other words, many investments that are popular today—and have been attracting millions of investors since the last market crash of 2008—will no longer be relevant.
I get warnings like this all the time and a promise to avoid these problems if I will only pay their price.I say let the buyer beware.This newsletter did say the usa did some dirty business in the ukraine.
How different have the political machinations of the U.S. in Ukraine been? The U.S. spent $5 billion on clandestine subversion in Ukraine that climaxed in the coup there earlier this year.
Now, in an uncanny policy déjà vu, Brzezinski wants the U.S. to send anti-tank weapons and hand-held rockets to Kiev to foment the fighting in another conflict on Russia's border.
What is it about half-a-world away that these interventionists don't understand?
St.Louis ,mo. made world news tonight with reports of riots and looting after a young unarmed blackman only 18 yo was shot and killed Saturday.Now a quiktrip has been looted and burned.This is happening about 40 miles from me.
I read a book on the american currency being debased.Its called"the Great Debasement---The 100 year dying of the dollar and how to get America's money back".Copyright 2012.Written by Craig R.Smith and Lowell Ponte.The book makes the point that a 2012 dollar is worth only 2 pennies of the purchasing power of a 1913 dollar and states that with the exception only of the period of the gold standard,practically all governments of history have used their exclusive power to issue money to defraud and plunder the people.While it gives a detailed history and many facts are worth mentioning here but are too numerous to mention here.They say the solution is either a new dark age or a new age Golden age of sound money,prosperity,and higher values.One prediction I like is the one where we go back on the gold standard.With gold priced at $5,000 or $10,000 an ounce.As soon as 2017.The other prediction is that we enter a very dark time .Only time will tell.
Very astute observations Triffid.
It was foretold that in the last days of this wicked Worldly
System the governments would act as if drunk (intoxicated)
by their lust for power and wealth. Those who are in positions
of power over the people are going insane with their unbridled
desires for more and more.
As a consequence the people suffer under their tyranny as they
pursue war and conflict to satiate their bloodlust. We're soon
going to see worldwide craziness like we've not yet seen. It
is going to be both ugly and bloody. Tribulation.
Seamonkey I agree with you on your comments above.The book gave detail after detail of the greed you talked about.I do believe that men will survive and hope for the best.I stand corrected I am not 40 miles from the riots here in st.louis, I'm 12 miles from them.I do hurt for the family that lost the young man.triffid
I hope Lees new job is going ok.triffid
Quote from: lancaIV on July 09, 2014, 06:55:19 AM
Hello Lee
(what is the matter with your health issues ? ??? Do not be so worry :-\ and against brain
complications here one recipe :" Marty Feldmann ,this virtual pills in many different aromatics available ::) https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=marty+feldman+youtube (https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=marty+feldman+youtube)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Feldman (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Feldman)
and
how long is "for awhile" from earth historic age view ?
Sincerely
OCWL
OCWL,
I have skin cancer, and that's directly related to my genetic heritage. I'm over 60, am partly Jewish, and had parents; both of whom had skin cancer when they were alive. Medical science can fight it, but in the end we all go the way of the dodo or the dinosaurs. Nobody goes on forever. I'm going to fight this. As Winston Churchhill said,
"Never, never, never give in!", as he referred to the Nazis.
If you like, I give you permission to forward this message to your friends and associates. It'll let them know I'm around and not giving up the fight to tell the truth, as far as I know it.
I'll be around,
--Lee
I found another book worthy of mention here.It tells how to survive without a job and with almost no money.It does not work unless you own your own property outright So if you rent or paying on a mortgage it may still help you do some things? At least get a different point of view.
In the 1970s Dolly Freed lived of the land dirt cheap and plum easy. Living in their own house on a half-acre lot outside of Philadelphia for almost five years, Dolly and her father produced their own food and drink and spent roughly $700 each per year. Thirty years later Dolly Freed's Possum Living is as fascinating and pertinent as it was in 1978. Tin House is reissuing the survivalist classic with a foreword by David Gates and an afterword by the author. After discussing reasons why you should or shouldn't give up your job, Possum Living gives you details about the cheapest ways with the best results to buy and maintain your home, dress well, cope with the law, stay healthy, and keep up a middle-class facade — whether you live in the city, in the suburbs, or in a small town. In a delightful, straightforward style Dolly Freed explains how to be lazy, proud, miserly, and honest, live well and enjoy leisure. triffid
It seems our present economy has produced a crisis of homelessness unparalleled since the great depression of the 1930s.Many families with children are homeless too.
trash into cash.heres a great story!http://www.popsci.com/article/science/scientists-turn-cigarette-butts-electrical-storage triffid
In essence, the scientists burned the filters in a nitrogen-rich environment, and this made the filter fibers grow pores, further increasing their surface area. According to their results, published in the journal Nanotechnology (http://iopscience.iop.org/0957-4484/25/34/345601/pdf/0957-4484_25_34_345601.pdf), these burnt-in-nitrogen fibers stored more energy than materials previously used in supercapacitors. With further research, this could be great news for both electrical storage and ashtrays everywhere.
Ebola is worse than what we are being told.I personally think it will be worse than the flu epidemic that swept the world in 1917.Six months from now we will know if im right or not.Good luck to you all.Triffid
I no longer have internet at home so I have to use a public computer to post here... for now.triffid
Still alive and kicking however.
Russia in trouble with its ruble http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-06/russia-reserves-fall-7-9-billion-biggest-drop-since-may.html?cmpid=yhoo (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-11-06/russia-reserves-fall-7-9-billion-biggest-drop-since-may.html?cmpid=yhoo)
The Bank of Russia (http://topics.bloomberg.com/russia/) sold foreign currency in October for the first time since May as the price of oil, the country's chief export earner, plunged to a four-year low. Sanctions imposed by the U.S. and its allies after Russia's annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in March have stoked capital flight, undercutting the ruble and stoking inflation.
The regulator said yesterday it will spend $350 million only once a day to support the ruble when it breaches its trading band, another step toward a free floating currency. It will conduct additional interventions at undisclosed quantities periodically without announcing it in advance.
"Intensifying pressure" on the currency pushed the central bank to withdraw its "active support" for the ruble two months before the planned shift to a free float, according to Natalia Akindinova (http://www.hse.ru/en/org/persons/6915303), director of the Development Center of the Higher School of Economics in Moscow. Another challenge that still awaits the Russian currency this year is the peak in corporate repayments on external debt next month, she said.
I have wifi again.Watching PBS newshour last night they talked about the unemployment rate dropping to 5.9% in the USA.Butttttt the government is counting all part time employees working over 35 hours total a week as fulltime even if they have to work three parttime jobs to do it.And with no benefits. 1.2 million americans are working parttime with no benefits.triffid
Someone who seems to be talking straight is Senator Elizabeth Warren.She said:
"People today, a lot of folks are feeling really discouraged, and part of that is because government is not working for them," she said. "Let's all be clear. Government does work. It works really well for those who can hire armies of lobbyists. It works really well for those who have armies of lawyers. It works really well for those who can make big campaign contributions. It's just not working for American families."
She also said:"What Mitch McConnell said just a couple of days ago is he wants to go to Congress and loosen the regulations over the big banks," Warren said. "Now I don't think very many people went to the polls and said, Boy, I am casting my vote to make sure that Wall Street has better chances to make bigger profits off the backs of the American people. I just don't think that's what was going on."
When asked why the Democrats are struggling to get their message across to voters, Warren didn't answer it directly. Instead, she talked about what she thinks is the overall perception of government right now.
Senator Elizabeth Warren was very passionate about the midterm elections that swept Republicans into greater power during an appearance on "Late Night with Seth Meyers" Tuesday evening. The Democratic Senator from Massachusetts talked about the need for accountability on both sides of the political aisle, referencing the government shutdown and the Affordable Care Act.
Quote from: aktiwIN on October 09, 2014, 02:52:01 AM
It seems our present economy has produced a crisis of homelessness unparalleled since the great depression of the 1930s.Many families with children are homeless too.
Yeah, but there's something else:
The intelligence community is afraid of a 25 years (long, I assume) depression is unavoidable in six months.
http://moneymorning.com/jim-rickards-coming-great-depression/ (http://moneymorning.com/jim-rickards-coming-great-depression/)
http://www.gramsgold.com/news/cia-insider25-year-great-depression-about-to-strike-america (http://www.gramsgold.com/news/cia-insider25-year-great-depression-about-to-strike-america)
unfortunately, no one is listening to this guy. Possibly on purpose? Look at the National Debt Clock...
http://www.usdebtclock.org/ (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
I have other information that may indicate this is no freak happening. It's merely personal to me. Not something I can either explain or else I CAN'T tell you because someone asked me not to tell anyone.
But I can give you this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h4-j9Jsjag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h4-j9Jsjag)
...until, that is, the depression actually hits---then this is all a moot point. Then, everyone not living off the land---exclusively---will be in 'hot water', financially, so to speak. This entire assertion was my main point---the economy is heading for a financial cliff---but it IS in line with the subject of this thread, after all.
--Lee
My thanks for all the dismal news. It's like, you know, the game is over and Satan Devil is the winner, if all this bad news can be believed.
But, what if .....somebody does invent and implement free energy, maybe just a minute before Satan Devil drops its hammer.
Free energy would, like, you know, make Dollars, and, Gold, and Whatever, worthless. Free energy would make free electricity, and free food, and free housing, and free whatever, like in Matthew 25:31, FREE for every human.
Know whut I mean, Vern?!
CANGAS 99
Cangas (and others), you lack imagination: imagine a dron propelled by free energy device. Now imagine religious fundamentalists like Boko Haram or ISIS; imagine those fundamentalists' groups using such free energy devices sending a message of their interpretation of their religions around the world. They are able to produce a lot of such devices and send them around with small package, lets say: ground castor seeds (which is available without restrictions).
Know whut I mean, Vern?!
Quote from: CANGAS on November 18, 2014, 03:34:36 AM
My thanks for all the dismal news. It's like, you know, the game is over and Satan Devil is the winner, if all this bad news can be believed.
But, what if .....somebody does invent and implement free energy, maybe just a minute before Satan Devil drops its hammer.
Free energy would, like, you know, make Dollars, and, Gold, and Whatever, worthless. Free energy would make free electricity, and free food, and free housing, and free whatever, like in Matthew 25:31, FREE for every human.
Know whut I mean, Vern?!
CANGAS 99
With respect to Reply #3835,
I expect the future to be harsh, but not necessarily that 'Satan" has any any chance of winning a game involving the contentious possession of humanity's collective Soul.
Well, at least, free electrical power would result whereby unlimited electricity is available to all. The rest you mentioned might be easier to obtain as a result of the first sentence above.
(I dislike getting into discussions involving religion on account of that being---at least---a fairly emotionally-charged issue; possibly being capable of leading to things like persecution and martyrdom.)
Quote from: Qwert on November 18, 2014, 08:27:57 AM
Cangas (and others), you lack imagination: imagine a dron propelled by free energy device. Now imagine religious fundamentalists like Boko Haram or ISIS; imagine those fundamentalists' groups using such free energy devices sending a message of their interpretation of their religions around the world. They are able to produce a lot of such devices and send them around with small package, lets say: ground castor seeds (which is available without restrictions).
Know whut I mean, Vern?!
Qwert,
With respect to your Reply immediately following the one mentioned above...
What could ISIS, the Taliban, etc., do with the tactic you suggest above? They still need to eat food to survive, with or without money. Ruining the world's collective economy will then force then to be as bad off as bad as anyone else, yes?
I do think, however, that they're Apocyplic-believers who also believe their apparent position of violent power and war-making atrocities will end, eventually, and they'll get what they did to others as having been done to them. (This is the basis of the concept of karma.)
Also, by that basis, I consider they aren't going to 'win' their conflict with most of the Gov'ts of the world. They're outnumbered and collectively outgunned
--Lee
Lee, they believe that God's (Allah's) will is to annihilate non-believers (their God must be quite powerless if cannot do that himself ;) ); to do that, they are ready to not sleep, not eat and even to annihilate themselves if only this way brings annihilation of the non-believers: they believe that that way they will go to heaven and non-believers to hell, becoming condemned forever. Recent news say their authorities give drugs to their soldiers to break their eventual hesitations. They are not like us. No negotiations with them.
I heard on the public tv news that 1 in 30 children in the USA is homeless.That makes 2.5 million children under the age of 6 are on the streets of America.That news is terrible for a world superpower.triffid
Trends in the labor market continue to be:
• Jobs are largely shifting to one of low wage labor.
• Middle class families are witnessing inflation and their purchasing power decline.
•Explosion of part-time jobs, which count as a "job" in government statistics.
•High number of people going into big debt to go to college, in hopes of escaping a low wage career, with many graduates unable to find a job in their field.
•Americans in their peak earning years of 25-54 are losing jobs, while those over age 55 gained jobs and comprise 22% of the workforce. (They can't retire)
The US population has grown by 8 percent since 2004 from 292 million to 318 million. Those not in the labor force has grown by 17 percent in this same period. Some of this can be accounted for by aging baby boomers but most nearing retirement have little to no money to their name, so the new retirement plan is no retirement. Many will be working until they drop.
From an article titled the "race to zero percent":As it turns out, creating financial bubbles and asset price inflation does not create growth and prosperity for all. But don't expect central bankers to admit this any time soon; they are what you call in poker "pot committed" to this policy. And thus the race to 0% is likely to continue as central bankers increasingly compete with one another in the greatest financial experiment in history.
Their goal is simple: drive the expected future return on all asset classes to 0% or even negative levels. This in turn will enable governments to continue to borrow beyond their means and convince the masses that things are great and they should spend what little money they have saved because stock prices are going up. In short, it is a policy of borrowing from the future to satisfy the whims of today, delaying the structural reforms necessary to generate real growth.
Is this good economic policy? Of course not, but with stocks at new highs don't expect many complaints. Only after faith in these policies inevitably fade and stocks start going down will the blame game and hearings begin. "How could you have let this happen," they will shout, pointing fingers at one another.
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive." – Walter Scott
From an article titled"Dont shoot your mouth off in Ferguson :"I don't know that the shooting was justified, but I do believe there is reasonable doubt about the shooting. There is Wilson's word; there are some conflicting accounts. At this moment, the strongest argument against Wilson is suspicion, not fact. There's this stereotype about white cops and black victims, and a cadre of professionals intent on making sure that the stereotype speaks louder than any evidence.
A heavy media presence also allowed hotheads to preen on national TV and fanned the flames of discontent. In August, critics piled on the militarized police presence in Ferguson which, they charged, contributed to public unrest. Remember the term "war zone?" After Monday night's riots, cable news critics were complaining again about the cops and National Guard — but this time, because there weren't enough of them. Well, which is it?
Soon the camera crews will be gone. Local merchants will take down the boards they had nailed to protect their windows. Small-business owners will debate whether to stay or relocate. Monday night's looters will have to live with what they allowed themselves to become for one night. The people of Ferguson and the police who patrol their intersections will have to look each other in the eye again. Some rioters, too, will have to look at the damage they inflicted.
More from the same article:After St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert McCulloch announced there would be no charges against Wilson, Brown's stepfather was seen exhorting a crowd to "burn" his city down. Where is the justice in that?
Brian Willingham, a church pastor and black police officer from Flint, Mich., told the New York Times, "I now realize, that we who consider ourselves leaders in the black community can't just be against racism. We have to also be against a portion of black culture that has become increasingly anti-authority and antisocial to a point of self-destruction. This is an enemy we've yet to engage in the black community. But it's a conversation I think we're forced to have now."
Debra J. Saunders is a San
Francisco Chronicle columnist.
Three changes congress wants to make to social security. http://www.fool.com/retirement/general/2014/11/29/3-major-changes-congress-wants-to-make-to-social-s.aspx Best to read it in its entirety.And read readers comments.triffid
One more thing, only US citizens can collect SS so the money paid by illegals is used for American citizens and the illegals cannot collect. And they can't vote, either, so the phrase No Taxation Without Representation should come to mind
http://news.yahoo.com/lawyer--no-indictment-for-officer-in-nyc-chokehold-death-200545534.html
No surprise here.triffid
It seems that gold has been on the rise lately,silver not far behind as the dollar weakens.Lower gas prices are helping make a better Christmas for everyone in the USA.Maybe Europe too?
When inflation hits 25% in the USA I will head for the hills.triffid
Big banks on wallstreet win again as lawmakers pass the new spending bill.http://finance.yahoo.com/news/wall-street-wins-in--1-1-trillion-spending-bill--but-who-loses-162059497.html
Progressive Democrats, led by Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren, railed against the Wall Street-friendly provision which made its way into the bill at the last minute: The weakening of the so-called "swaps push-out rule" from the 2010 Dodd Frank financial reform law. The push-out rule bans big banks from using taxpayer-insured depositor funds to back certain risky derivatives trading. It also requires financial institutions to move parts of their business involved in those trades to separate groups or affiliates.
On the floor of the Senate on Wednesday, Warren pleaded with her House counterparts to vote down the bill. "Who does Congress work for?" she asked. "Does it work for the millionaires, the billionaires, the giant companies with their armies of lobbyists and lawyers? Or does it work for all of us?"
Dramatic but perhaps valid questions. Financial services companies spent $1.2 billion on campaign contributions and lobbying between January 2013 and mid-November 2014.
Lawmakers rallied around the idea of financial reform in the immediate aftermath of the financial crisis. But pushback from the financial industry grew as Dodd Frank legislation took shape. "For years, they delayed implementation," says Task. "And now that it's the law of the land, Wall Street has continued to and will continue to fight back against it. And they won a big one here."triffid
What's this?
United States, Canada and Ukraine like Nazism, neo-Nazism and racism?
Original from UN site:
http://www.un.org/en/ga/third/69/docs/voting_sheets/L56.Rev1.pdf
Quote from: Sergh on December 24, 2014, 10:37:01 AM
What's this?
United States, Canada and Ukraine like Nazism, neo-Nazism and racism?
Original from UN site:
http://www.un.org/en/ga/third/69/docs/voting_sheets/L56.Rev1.pdf
Read and UNDERSTAND the English language:
COMBATING GLORIFICATION of Nazism. Do you know what does that mean COMBATING GLORIFICATION of something?
Quote from: triffid on December 13, 2014, 11:23:29 AM
It seems that gold has been on the rise lately,silver not far behind as the dollar weakens.Lower gas prices are helping make a better Christmas for everyone in the USA.Maybe Europe too?
When inflation hits 25% in the USA I will head for the hills.triffid
This is becoming a really big European problem:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-16/ruble-snaps-six-day-loss-on-surprise-rate-increase-to-17-percent.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-16/ruble-snaps-six-day-loss-on-surprise-rate-increase-to-17-percent.html)
and...
http://www.silverdoctors.com/marshall-swing-1-5-quadrillion-in-derivatives-will-collapse-in-2015-entire-financial-system-to-implode-in-an-hour/ (http://www.silverdoctors.com/marshall-swing-1-5-quadrillion-in-derivatives-will-collapse-in-2015-entire-financial-system-to-implode-in-an-hour/)
and...
http://www.businessinsider.com/stock-market-crash-2014-2 (http://www.businessinsider.com/stock-market-crash-2014-2)
and this as well...
http://www.businessinsider.com/stocks-crash-2014-1 (http://www.businessinsider.com/stocks-crash-2014-1)
try this one as well...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/12/will-falling-oil-prices-crash-the-markets/ (http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/12/will-falling-oil-prices-crash-the-markets/)
If these projections become reality, 'the game is over' for the American and European commodity/stock/bond speculators.
What was it like in the early Thirties? My parents and grandparents lived through this and
this time there's a whole lot more money at stake. Collapse should be on a lot of people';s minds in a few weeks or months.
Oh, WilbyInebriated, I didn't forget you and your insinuating rhetoric. You were told what I was doing with this page, right? I remember very well.
--Lee
OOOYYYYEEE
please don't summon the "W"
:o
PLEASE
Quote from: ramset on December 30, 2014, 04:50:03 PM
OOOYYYYEEE
please don't summon the "W"
:o
PLEASE
Okay, okay.
I understand what you mean. I read what he said and also what his cohort on another tech-related site called 'pfcem' said; and they both write in exactly the same style:" it's like they went to the same school together. Honestly.
Time's up on this computer...
--Lee
It seems that Bill Moyers has some clear insights into whats happening in the USA today.http://billmoyers.com/2013/05/29/u-s-poverty-by-the-numbers/
Sad to say its only increasing(Poverty).triffid
People who would have been in poverty if not for Social Security, 2012: 61.8 million (program kept 15.3 million people out of poverty)
People in the US experiencing poverty by age 65: Roughly half
Gender gap, 2012: Women 32 percent more likely to be poor than men
Gender gap, 2011: Women 34 percent more likely to be poor than men
Twice the poverty level (less than $46,042 for a family of four): 106 million people, more than 1 in 3 Americans
Jobs in the US paying less than $34,000 a year: 50 percent
Jobs in the US paying below the poverty line for a family of four, less than $23,000 annually: 25 percent
Poverty-level wages, 2011: 28 percent of workers
This was on Bill Moyers last tv show.Too bad hes leaving the airways.For Now his website still continues.http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-climate-crusade/ triffid
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The very agencies created to protect our environment have been hijacked by the polluting industries they were meant to regulate. It may just turn out that the judicial system, our children and their children will save us from ourselves.
The new legal framework for this crusade against global warming is called atmospheric trust litigation. It takes the fate of the Earth into the courts, arguing that the planet's atmosphere – its air, water, land, plants and animals — are the responsibility of government, held in its trust to insure the survival of all generations to come. It's the strategy being used by Bill's recent guest, Kelsey Juliana, a co-plaintiff in a major lawsuit spearheaded by Our Children's Trust, that could force the state of Oregon to take a more aggressive stance against the carbon emissions.
It's the brainchild of Mary Christina Wood, a legal scholar who wrote the book, Nature's Trust, tracing this public trust doctrine all the way back to ancient Rome.
Employee co-ops may be in the future for the USA.Heres what they have done for Spain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation
The MONDRAGON Corporation is a corporation and federation of worker cooperatives based in the Basque region of Spain. It was founded in the town of Mondragón in 1956 by graduates of a local technical college. Its first product was paraffin heaters. It is the tenth-largest Spanish company in terms of asset turnover and the leading business group in the Basque Country. At the end of 2013, it employed 74,061 people in 257 companies and organizations in four areas of activity: finance, industry, retail and knowledge.[1]
Mondragon cooperatives operate in accordance with Statement on the Co-operative Identity maintained by the International Co-operative Alliance.
Mondragon co-operatives are united by a humanist concept of business, a philosophy of participation and solidarity, and a shared business culture. The culture is rooted in a shared mission and a number of principles, corporate values and business policies.[16]
Over the years, these links have been embodied in a series of operating rules approved on a majority basis by the Co-operative Congresses, which regulate the activity of the Governing Bodies of the Corporation (Standing Committee, General Council), the Grassroots Co-operatives and the Divisions they belong to, from the organisational, institutional and economic points of view as well as in terms of assets.[17]
This framework of business culture has been structured based on a common culture derived from the 10 Basic Co-operative Principles, in which Mondragon is rooted: Open Admission, Democratic Organisation, the Sovereignty of Labour, Instrumental and Subordinate Nature of Capital, Participatory Management, Payment Solidarity, Inter-cooperation, Social Transformation, Universality and Education.[18]
This philosophy is complemented by four corporate values: Co-operation, acting as owners and protagonists; Participation, which takes shape as a commitment to management; Social Responsibility, by means of the distribution of wealth based on solidarity; and Innovation, focusing on constant renewal in all areas.[19]
This business culture translates into compliance with a number of Basic Objectives (Customer Focus, Development, Innovation, Profitability, People in Co-operation and Involvement in the Community) and General Policies approved by the Co-operative Congress, which are taken on board at all the corporation's organisational levels and incorporated into the four-year strategic plans and the annual business plans of the individual co-operatives, divisions, and the corporation as a whole.[20]
At Mondragon, there are agreed-upon wage ratios between executive work and field or factory work which earns a minimum wage. These ratios range from 3:1 to 9:1 in different cooperatives and average 5:1. That is, the general manager of an average Mondragon cooperative earns no more than 5 times as much as the theoretical minimum wage paid in his/her cooperative. In reality, this ratio is smaller because there are few Mondragon worker-owners that earn minimum wages, because most jobs are somewhat specialized and are classified at higher wage levels. The wage ratio of a cooperative is decided periodically by its worker-owners through a democratic vote.[21]
Compared to similar jobs at local industries, Mondragon managers' wages are considerably lower (as some companies pay their best paid managers hundreds of times more than the lowest-paid employee of the company)[22] and equivalent for middle management, technical and professional levels. Lower wage levels are on average 13% higher than similar jobs at local businesses. Spain's progressive tax rate further reduces any disparity in pay.[21]
Noam Chomsky has said that while Mondragon offers an alternative to capitalism, it is still embedded in a capitalist system which limits Mondragon's decisions:[36]
" Take the most advanced case: Mondragon. It's worker owned, it's not worker managed, although the management does come from the workforce often, but it's in a market system and they still exploit workers in South America, and they do things that are harmful to the society as a whole and they have no choice. If you're in a system where you must make profit in order to survive, you're compelled to ignore negative externalities, effects on others.
Some employee co-ops do exist in the USA.The advantage here that I see is that a single person cannot sell the company overnight and throw thousands of workers out on the street without warning.Worker owned.triffid
Also you don't have CEOs earning 1000x what a normal worker earns.
Time to look at different ways of earning a living.triffid
2016 will see 1% of the worlds population owning 50% of the worlds wealth. In 2014 it was 48% of the worlds wealth.Gas is now($1.75 where I live) cheap but soon to come back close to $5.00 a gallon again by the end of 2015.Enjoy it while you can.
Its another story of who knew the man was a millionaire? http://news.yahoo.com/man-lived-modestly-leaves-millions-surprise-donations-135358404.html
(AP) — A Vermont man who sometimes held his coat together with safety pins and had a long-time habit of foraging for firewood also had a knack for picking stocks — a talent that became public after his death when he bequeathed $6 million to his local library and hospital.
The investments made by Ronald Read, a former gas station employee and janitor who died in June at age 92, "grew substantially" over the years, said his attorney Laurie Rowell.
Read, who was known for his flannel shirt and baseball cap, gave no hint of the size of his fortune.
A new way of men and forests living together is beginning to emerge.
http://www.iisd.org/natres/agriculture/capital.asp Its called "Natural Capital".
The feds are still not raising interest rates.When they do I expect a lot of economic things to go south,south,south.No matter poor people have always figured out how to make the system work for them.We talked this morning at the breakfast table (at Mc Donalds) how some people go to jail to survive these cold mornings(cold winters).It was 1 degree this morning in St.louis.Three meals a day,a roof over their heads for 30 or 90 days.Warmer inside the jail than outside the jail.triffid
Hey, triffid and all...
I'm really sold, by myself, that a real easy way to gain more power from an inverter is to connect the output to a wire loop. Then set another loop the same size or bigger (or a hundred) next to it and parallel to it and let mutual induction do the trick. The A/C output from the coil(s) can be rectified by diode(s) and led over to a battery set(s) to charge those (a lot of them, even) and spend the power of ONLY one inverter.
The thing might be, however:
Will these many batteries load down the first inverter that supplies them all?
--Lee
Im reading a book by Peter Farb who has some insights on how human civilization came to be
going back 80,000 years.Though some of his books were written in the 1970s.The path to being human is full of details that stay true to 2015.I feel very lucky to even find this author.triffid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Farb I am reading his book"Humankind"cc 1978.
He died in 1980.
He came up with a paradox: "Intensification of production to feed an increased population leads to a still greater increase in population."
http://www.research.vt.edu/resmag/2002summer/forest.html More to a forest than trees.
Non-timber forest products (NTFPs), as a market sector, is growing rapidly — nearly 20 percent per year in recent years.
Non-timber forest products are any plant-based material of commercial value, other than trees, harvested from forests. Such products have specialty or niche markets, and many are valuable commodities with the potential to generate significant economic activity at the community level. But to realize their value, the ecosystems in which these plants thrive must also be valued.
The Appalachian region is rich in biodiversity, offering great potential to support a flourishing non-timber forest product industry. Most of the 130 plants indigenous to the United States that are used as medicinal or dietary supplements are found in the southern Appalachian Mountains.
Medicinal plants, such as St. Johns wort or ginseng, have the highest profile. Traditionally, they formed the basis for medical care in rural southern Appalachia. With the advent of inexpensive synthetic and manufactured medicines, natural healing became less common, but knowledge of plant properties is still passed down and many people continue to gather herbs for their own use.
Natural medicinal and herbal products involve the use of leaves, stems, roots, bark, seeds, fruit, flowers, and buds to make teas, tonics, powder, snuff, poultices, salves, tinctures, lotions, and smoke inhalers. Plants provide treatments for pain and such diseases as cancer, leukemia, and heart disease. More than 40 percent of prescription drugs — translating into $25 billion in sales for 1997 — contain at least one natural element. Moreover, the demand for natural health supplements is skyrocketing. "The soaring demand is creating an environmental tension as growing consumer interest jeopardizes these products' sustainablity in the wild," Hammett says.
In 1998, a coalition of scientists, conservation organizations, botanical gardens, and museums released the results of a 20-year global assessment of plants at risk, which established a conservative estimate that 29 percent of America's 16,000 plant species are at risk of extinction due to overharvesting and loss of habitat to development.
In addition to the medicinal and dietary supplements, the other popular non-timber forest products include edible forest products, such as mushrooms, herbs, and spices. The decorative or floral sector encompasses pine boughs, grapevines, ferns, flowers, Spanish moss, and other plant products used for floral arrangements, dried flower decorations, and ornaments. Specialty wood products include baskets, carvings, turnings, utensils, containers, furniture, and musical instruments.
I PM's an e-mail to triffid, and I've decided to share it with you Members and viewing Internet public as well...
triffid,
I've seen, here in S.F., something that causes me REAL concern...
Homeless bums that live on the streets are buying wilderness survivor-type tents and pitching them in GROUPS of 2 to 10 individuals under freeway overpass bridges. Never saw that before.
Also, so many bums sleep on the hard concrete floors in Local subways, that the Local cops don't bother to harass them like they did in the past. There's simply too many of them to arrest and prosecute in Municipal Court.
To put it simply, there's like an army of these people and they'll probably never work again. That's one more reason I started the, "I see an Economic Disaster Coming... thread.
What do you think?
--Lee
I agree . Triffid
From this perspective, Russia is not so much an insecure superpower as it is a typical petrostate with a short-term horizon that gets aggressive and ambitious once it accumulates substantive oil revenues. Back in the early 2000s when the price of oil was $25 a barrel, Putin was a friend of the United States and didn't mind NATO enlargement in 2004. According to Hendrix's research, this is exactly how petrostates behave when the oil prices are low: In fact, at oil prices below $33 a barrel, oil exporters become much more peaceful than even non-petrostates. Back in 2002 when the Urals price was around $20, in his Address to the Federal Assembly Putin enumerated multiple steps to European integration and active collaboration aimed at creating a single economic space with the European Union among Russia's top priorities. In 2014 – with the price of oil price around $110 – Putin invaded Ukraine to punish it for the attempts to create that same single economic space with the E.U.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/02/the-real-reason-russia-invaded-ukraine.aspx
oil and gas.
But is it possible that the true explanation is even simpler? Could it be, in fact, that Russia's decision to invade Ukraine had merely to do with a handful of natural gas discoveries off the coasts of Romania and Ukraine?
I ask this question somewhat rhetorically, because I think the answer may be "yes." As Bloomberg reported in the middle of last year, the Black Sea remains "almost untouched by the oil industry, with fewer than 100 wells drilled, compared with more than 7,000 in the North Sea."
Some more reasons:By all appearances, the ouster of now-former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych -- who, as is well known at this point, was backed by the political establishment in Russia -- stemmed from his regime's widespread and deep-seated corruption. According to its new finance minister -- who is obviously not unbiased -- as much as $70 billion was embezzled out of the country over the past three years alone.
In this regard, the Ukrainian revolution is very different from conflicts in, say, Syria or Lebanon, where sectarian strife is often the cause of ethnically fueled humanitarian catastrophes. This simply doesn't appear to have been the case in Ukraine. The people there were just tired of being ruled by a regime that used state funds to, among other things, build a floating restaurant on the grounds of the presidential palace.
To add fuel to the fire, moreover, ExxonMobil (NYSE: XOM ) recently discovered a massive natural gas field off neighboring Romania's shores. The find, according to that country's prime minister, may end up being so substantial that Romania could become a natural gas exporter by as early as 2018.
It's in this context, in turn, that the Russian invasion of Ukraine can arguably be best explained -- and particularly when you consider that Exxon was on the verge of signing an exploration agreement with the Ukrainian government until its now-former fuel and energy minister, Eduard Stavytsky, put the deal on hold in late January.
"We will sign it in February," Stavytsky told the media on Jan. 27. At the time, no reason was given for the delay. Perhaps now we know.
http://www.newsmax.com/finance/mkt-news/Scientist-Confesses-Global-Warming-a-$22-B/2014/11/17/id/607827/?dkt_nbr=7v3kcnck&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral
This link talks about 300 dollar per barrel oil coming.
Seems the link does not want to work:however here is the gist of it.
Fact: There Has Always Been, And Always Will Be Climate Change
The reality is simply this: The climate changes over time.
When Alexander the Great was conquering Persia, climate change was a big factor. And we all learned in high school that the "little ice age" that rocked Europe killed hundreds of thousands of people from the 1600s through the 1800s. Additionally, we know about the heat wave and drought that wiped out much of America during the 1930s. Thousands of people were dislocated in search of survival.
Were those events caused by man-made "global warming"?
Of course not.
And, the reality is, most scientists who advocate "global warming" today know mankind has nothing to do with climate change.
Remember: Temperatures have only risen .36 degrees since 1979 . . . and the bulk of that happened during the 1990s! We haven't seen any warming for the last 17 years . . . in fact we have seen a drop in temperatures.
Anyway I guess you could cut and paste the link to get the article.
Ron Paul speaks out about a coming crisis in America! http://thecrux.com/dyncontent/ron-paul-one-step-to-prepare/?cid=MKT033949&eid=MKT040148&snaid=&step=start
http://moneymorning.com/ext/articles/rickards/cia-insider-breaks-silence-on-global-currency-wars-desktop.php?iris=351898&ad=silence-sm-1 this guy says 25 year depression is coming within six months.We will see.Triffid
Now Ron Paul is warning us about a currency crisis! http://thecrux.com/dyncontent/ron-paul-one-step-to-prepare/?cid=MKT033949&eid=MKT040148&snaid=&step=start triffid
He says America is on the verge of a real "currency crisis"—the likes of which we have not seen in more than 50 years.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/11/bill-nye-gmos-changed-mind_n_7245092.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/11/bill-nye-gmos-changed-mind_n_7245092.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592) Says that Bill Nye the science guy now supports GMOs(frankenfood to some people).triffid
"GMOs are not inherently bad," he told host Josh Zepps (https://twitter.com/joshzepps). "We are able to feed 7.2 billion people, which a century and a half ago you could barely feed 1 and a half billion people and [it's] largely because of the success of modern farming."
But Nye urged caution, particularly because introducing new organisms into the ecosystem can have "unintended consequences."
My take on it now is genetically modified food is actually, in general, -- genetically modified plants, in general, -- are not only not harmful, they're actually a great benefit. However, you can't just go planting enormous monocultures and killing everything and expect the ecosystems to take it," he said.
Think inflation is bad here in the USA.Check out whats happening in Venezuela in South America.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/land-200-inflation-mastercards-business-230001261.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/land-200-inflation-mastercards-business-230001261.html)
Credit card companies doing ok however.
People are racing to spend their money as fast as they can, trying to keep ahead of consumer price increases that Bank of America Corp. estimates could almost reach 200 percent this year. Yet because that inflation surge has decimated the value of Venezuela's money, shopping with cash would require carrying around a brick-sized wad of 100-bolivar bills -- not a great idea in a country with the world's second-highest murder rate.
Quote from: triffid on May 18, 2015, 11:31:44 AM
Think inflation is bad here in the USA.Check out whats happening in Venezuela in South America.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/land-200-inflation-mastercards-business-230001261.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/land-200-inflation-mastercards-business-230001261.html)
"The thing I see going on in S.F. is that they're buying edged weapons AND I mean by that: machetes and Samurai swords. You just have to be 18 yrs. old to but either one. I go to a shop in the Japantown, SF, shopping mall and see that the 'functional' (read: razor sharp) swords are selling more than simply 'well')."
Credit card companies doing ok however.
"Not unusual to me. The I think even in the Great Depression, some businessmen still had it better than for most Americans. They at least had warning the Depression was coming.
People are racing to spend their money as fast as they can, trying to keep ahead of consumer price increases that Bank of America Corp. estimates could almost reach 200 percent this year.
Yet because that inflation surge has decimated the value of Venezuela's money, shopping with cash would require carrying around a brick-sized wad of 100-bolivar bills -- not a great idea in a country with the world's second-highest murder rate.
"I expect it'll get worse than that when the economy goes into DEEP hibernation, followed by death in a total collapse. People will probably do anything to survive. Par for the 'course' for humanity."
--Lee
Ron Paul is on the airways talking about a possible economic collapse coming.
www.ronpaulmessage10.com (http://www.ronpaulmessage10.com)
Be aware this is a sales letter.Where you buy instructions on how to stay "SAFE".
I am however a big Ron Paul fan so I would at least listen to what he has to say.
I knew things were bad here in the USA.I was shocked to hear this on tv the other day!!Child labor still exists here in the usa . http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/14/us/hrw-children-tobacco-workers-report/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/14/us/hrw-children-tobacco-workers-report/index.html)
Child labor on tobacco farms in the USA.triffid
The study focused on four tobacco-growing states: North Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee and Virginia.
Children can legally work in the tobacco fields, and some as young as 11 and 12 years old do. These children primarily work during the summer to help support their families. The majority of them were Hispanic children of immigrants who lived in nearby towns, the report said."As the school year ends, children are heading into the tobacco fields, where they can't avoid being exposed to dangerous nicotine, without smoking a single cigarette," Margaret Wurth, a co-author of the report, said in a news release. "It's no surprise the children exposed to poisons in the tobacco fields are getting sick."Many of the children the group spoke with reported working long hours without overtime pay or enough breaks, HRW said.One of the recommendations of the report is that no one under 18 be allowed to work in tobacco fields, due to the risks that such exposure can bring.
more on the same topic.http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/17/health/hrw-children-tobacco-workers-report/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/17/health/hrw-children-tobacco-workers-report/index.html)
kids young as seven work on these farms.
"We found that kids are working 10 or 12, sometimes 14-hour days in extreme heat," Wurth said. "They often have no place to go to the bathroom, no place to wash their hands at work and many of them are given no safety training, no health education and no protective equipment."The researchers found kids using sharp tools, such as axes or machetes, to dig up weeds and/or harvest tobacco. Some kids worked near dangerous machinery. Others climbed up into the rafters of barns, more than one story off the ground, to hang tobacco to dry without any kind of safety gear.The Human Rights Watch estimates several hundred thousand kids work in agriculture in the United States each year, but there are no hard numbers on just how many are working on tobacco farms, and no number to adequately portray the scope of the problem. Most, Wurth says, are the children of Hispanic immigrants.U.S. labor laws, she says, do not protect these kids.
Quote from: Triffid
I knew things were bad here in the USA.I was shocked to hear this on tv the other day!! Child labor still exists here in the usa.
This sort of "under the radar" exploitation will
exist in America, and elsewhere in the World,
so long as Corporations control politicians and
governments.
Worse than this will be the outcome of the "Secret
Trade Agreements" such as the Trans-Pacific
Partnership or the Trans-Atlantic Partnership.
Those who wield power are so severely infected
with their
Love Of Money and
Lust For Power
that they've lost their minds.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on June 14, 2015, 09:13:29 PM
Those who wield power are so severely infected
with their Love Of Money and Lust For Power
that they've lost their minds.
Exactly right. I e-mailed a video of what Ron Paul said in this regard, but I sent it to myself as a reference.
I'll try and upload it the this thread shortly. In short: Congressman Paul is correct in his prediction:
The economy can easily collapse.
--Lee
I picked up a book on the state of our oceans today.Its horrible what we have done to the earth in the last 50 years.We are all to blame. http://www.oneworldoneocean.com/pages/why-the-ocean (http://www.oneworldoneocean.com/pages/why-the-ocean)
We all must work harder and care harder.Or we will lose what we have.triffid
But the ocean is in trouble 90% of the big fish are gone. Tuna, swordfish, halibut, cod, and flounder populations have been devastated by overfishing.
The average size of the remaining big fish has been cut in half or less in the last 50 years. The average weight of a swordfish caught today is 90 lbs., down from 266 lbs. in 1960.
Discarded plastics have formed a toxic "plastic soup" that is gathering in 5 massive ocean gyres around the world. As the plastic breaks down, it is eaten by sea animals, causing illness and death. It eventually enters our diets, too.
There are a reported 405 ocean "dead zones" — areas where there is little to no oxygen due to fertilizer run-off and nitrogen pollution. Dead zones are doubling every ten years.
Our oceans account for 71% of the planet, but less than 2% of our oceans are protected. We have protections in place for nearly 12% of all land (through areas like national parks).
What happens if we do nothing?Many popular seafood species will likely be wiped out within 40 years with current fishing practices.
Unless we change our rate of consumption, we're within a century — possibly even less — of a world where jellyfish are the only wild seafood option left.
The ocean is at a tipping point. Oceanographer Sylvia Earle says our actions over the next 10 years will determine the state of the ocean for the next 10,000 years.
We must change our rate of consumption and work harder with nature to make fishing more sustainable.
We cant let big corporations or ourselves plunder and pollute the oceans.We are all to blame in this matter.Mass extinctions are now occurring in the oceans.The likes of which have not been seen for 55 million years.triffid
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 15, 2015, 07:32:46 PM
Exactly right. I e-mailed a video of what Ron Paul said in this regard, but I sent it to myself as a reference.
I'll try and upload it the this thread shortly. In short: Congressman Paul is correct in his prediction:
The economy can easily collapse.
https://orders.cloudsna.com/chain?cid=MKT033949&eid=MKT066086&snaid=&step=start##AST03347 (https://orders.cloudsna.com/chain?cid=MKT033949&eid=MKT066086&snaid=&step=start##AST03347)
The interview is presented above. I agree with Paul. The 'money men' on Wall Street, and elsewhere, have done financial wonders with the economy up to this point in forestalling an economic crash. It just won't go on forever. They'll run out of things to try that WON'T make the economy worse if they try to stop a free-fall deflationary, ever-downward, 'death-spiral'
--Lee
Aye, what is happening to our oceans and the
World as a whole is criminal. Just as it was
foretold it would be in our "Last Days."
The Love of Money is a heartless affliction.
Hey guys this can be seen for a thousands of miles away. GREED is going to be the meteor to the dinosaurs. It is 100% mathematically calculated and 100% in the logistics of the neuron wave intelligence thinking past from human to human in the billions of years of evolution to the present time of the human mind.
What this means is that GREEED is a mental disease that goes unchecked/unregulated (well regulated by GREEDY minds) = unbalance till it collapses. EVERYTHING GREED is UNCHECKED for the continue survival of humanity and EVERYTHING IS CHECKED FOR THE CONTINUITY OF GREED! Eventually that will collapse because GREED/MONEY never made the universe! Money is a corrupt addiction of manipulating people for FREEE. Which that is how life does not work! EMULATE IN A COMPUTER SIMULATION A BILLIONARE ALONE IN AN ISLAND WITH %) BILLION DOLLARS AND SEE HOW LONG HE SURVIVES REALITY/TRUTH/LOGIC?
The upside to this is that INTELLIGENCE ALWAYS WINS! MONEY will burn and die but the genetic code will continue (life evolution of self vaccination)...spreading seeds to a new WORLD ORDER! The blind will perish but the truth seekers will continue even if by sending POSITIVE wave thinking in the air to "motivate" the truth of life!
If every action has an equal and opposite reaction, this can all be reversed! There needs to be an underground teacher that teaches for FREEE!
Some "higher" people already know this and seek to populate jupiter/mars lol....how stupid will that be...lol,,,the ignorance of some people! They are still "debating" how the pyraminds where made now they want to make jupiter/mars into a new earth! They deserve to get erased from the time line and allow others to continue the future of humanity! Lol It is 100%, no ifs or whats about it, that our leaders are killing the world! They are just enjoying the killing of it. Well lets do the math MATHEMATICIANS for their GREED and lets solve the equation...MEH! Those "smart" mathematicians can't solve real life situations! lol. Can't you see next world wide extinction? Or do you see it just that you are calculating how many will survive the "next world order"?
Oh yeah..many many many
https://news.vice.com/article/humans-are-destroying-the-environment-at-a-rate-unprecedented-in-over-10000-years
https://curiosity.com/playlists/are-humans-destroying-the-environment-0-qI1H2Z/#intro-playlist
http://theirturn.net/2015/04/21/jane-goodall-were-destroying-the-planet/
But what is the SOLUTION to it? If we can see the outcome, BY OUR BILLIONS OF BRAIN EVOLUTION, we should be able to see the solution, right? lol
We are supposed to be the brainy ones when it comes to the human family but we have really screwed up bad when it looks like a can of tuna is the new"gold".Im stocking up on tuna and other fish now while they are still around.I figure they will be worth their weight in GOLD in 10-30 years.triffid
Guys,
I'm really glad I started this thread and have read, occasionally, the comings and goings of all the participants, especially triffid, in particular.
Everyone who posted a comment here is---I believe---smart enough to read these posts and have it resonate with their mind(s) as to the frailty of the planet's ecology and the wanton destruction brought on by 'vested interests, seeking only in having their heartless way, regardless of whom they hurt in the process.
It's coming down 'to the wire', as it was said, and those who're smart/tenacious/adaptable/resourceful enough to survive will probably the last ones standing when the cycle of world destruction "fallout" ends.
--Lee
OK guys lets put our thinking caps on! Now that we understand this downward scenario, WHAT IS ONE TO DO? Just keep on complaining on the internet? Just live with this 100% truth in the back of our heads and not do anything about it?
Lets collect our thoughts and think logically! All humans have the heart of a mother. ALL humans can understand even the CRAZY ones. All WANT TO LIVE! And ALL want their kids to live further! BASED ON PERCENTIGES! From the beginning everyone wants to achieve infinity life! NOW if EVERYONE WANTS TO LIVE FOREVER, WHY DO THEY WANT TO KILL THE EARTH?
GREEED! It is 100% obvious as a bright sunny day that makes them blind! But all humans want to live a happy life! Even Hitler wanted to live a happy life by killing! WE ALL WANT TO LIVE FOR EVER!
NOW with such "scientific evidence regarding humans" how are we to change the clock of humanity time? Maybe by educating the confused? How does one go about doing that? Hmmm let me think! Showing them the truth maybe? How do we show them the truth?
Lets think about SOLUTIONS? = For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction!
Please give answer to the problem instead of bitching about it, thanks! :P
All "aliens" too! If you are an alien from another planet living in earth that has been living here for a while, why allow such human destruction of the planet? Why would you be living here alien when you know for 100% sure it will get destructed soon! well, just the current population on the surface, BUT if you are such of an ADVANCE alien, why allow such thing to happen? My mind has beeeeeen blown by that! even in the "alien" race there is a corruption in GREED! Now I'm kind of wondering if GREED! is part of evolution! And all of this greed is part of the math equation!
I would really like for an alien to post his/her opinions here regarding the existence of this earth. I personally not afraid of aliens. I'M fascinated how they can live more than 400 yrs. If a stupid alien is reading this, WHY ALLOW THE EXTINCTION OF HUMANITY in the upcoming years?
Wow this has to be the longest running thread .... Been a while but man economic disaster is possible at any given time the best thing to do is live for today and if economic disaster comes along then so be it tackle it.
You could always listen to peter schiff, and get invested in gold if you are worried....
I did something even more interesting though I got involved a little bit in crypto currency named dogecoin I enjoy it personally. Economic disaster will come by design the fiat monetary system is setup to fail by design.
The only thing I will have to add is no matter what their has to be something and advice is not to put all of your eggs in a single basket if you are trying to protect your finances.
AS expected, no peep resolutions from the "intelligent" folks! Which is two reminders! 1- You are yourself alone in your journey 2- The rest, most likely, are wrong after you understand the suffering!
I'm SEEKING 100% truth here, no more suffering no more death! I'm here going deep in the 100% stopping to suffering and deaths and I don't get NOOO intelligent 100% to the CORE answers!
That goes to show you folks, how GREEED has taken viral advantage of all human minds even the so called "intelligent" ones! Lol
It is kind of sad that figuring out "mother nature" is not popular, really! Mother nature just gives us the "evolutionary" way to the future! BUT "corruption" to be able to understand by your average human being! HOW much energy does it take to make them see the truth? Hmmm...just by giving them money to understand that!
Zero "theories" or resolutions to the "next world order" from such "intelligent" people in here! Maybe I regress...lol
http://cleantechnica.com/2015/06/25/climate-change-impacts-collapse-civilization-2040-states-uk-govt-report/ (http://cleantechnica.com/2015/06/25/climate-change-impacts-collapse-civilization-2040-states-uk-govt-report/)
Bevoelkerungs/Folk-Bomb(e)
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-1993-4.html (http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-1993-4.html)
Bevoelkerungs-/Folk-Explosion
http://planetsave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Jan-31-2014-in-Damascus-Syria-copyright-UNRWA.jpg (http://planetsave.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Jan-31-2014-in-Damascus-Syria-copyright-UNRWA.jpg)
How much Time for Re-Engineering ?
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-1995-2.html (http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/index-1995-2.html)
Tik-Tak-Tik-Tak-....
Quote from: infringer on June 27, 2015, 02:09:10 AM
Wow this has to be the longest running thread .... Been a while but man economic disaster is possible at any given time the best thing to do is live for today and if economic disaster comes along then so be it tackle it.
infringer...
Thanks. This thread has done well, I admit. It---the economy---is still going to fall apart financially; no doubt about it.
QuoteYou could always listen to peter schiff, and get invested in gold if you are worried....
Well, as it was said before(on this thread?), you can't eat a gold coil and expect it to nourish your body. Basic necessities are paramount in importance.
QuoteI did something even more interesting though I got involved a little bit in crypto currency named dogecoin I enjoy it personally. Economic disaster will come by design the fiat monetary system is setup to fail by design.
I don't think someone who wants,
by design to deliberately starve unless they're nuts. There are people like ISIS-hardliners, who want to hurt whomever thinks differently than they do, though.
QuoteThe only thing I will have to add is no matter what their has to be something and advice is not to put all of your eggs in a single basket if you are trying to protect your finances.
Right. Have an exit plan and/or and alternate means of survival, if at all possible.
--Lee
If I open a thread stating that a big earthquake is coming, eventually I'll be right one day ;) Even chicken little said that the sky was falling. kind of useless. What would be useful is a collective set of solutions instead of being resigned to doom and gloom.
The powers that be (and I say I am in that know) would NOT like the dollar to crash, because this would simply lead to a new beginning leaving the old monetary system behind (which currently is Modern Money Mechanics, look it up). The ability for the powers that be to crash the economy is at their disposal right now, but it profits them nothing to do so or it would be done tomorrow. Why is it that interest rates have stayed so low for so long? It is simply to PREVENT a collapse. The powers that be learned something from the 70's when they raised rates well into the double digits. They know that the national debt can never be paid off (at over $17 trillion dollars), which means they will always keep the upper hand until the masses get smart and change the monetary laws (which is how they got their start in 1913, look it up).
The sky is not falling. It only goes forward and recedes in artificially controlled cycles(to the brink and back).
I'm sorry for all of those CONFUSED mental people that want to "marry" their own gender. Everyone is celebrating "peace' today since "gay marriage" was approved by the USA. PSYCHOLOGIST< do you think that a male or female to fall in love to their same gender is NORMAL? IT is 100% FACTS that they where born from a male and a female because a MALE+MALE= cancel out! FEMALE + FMEALE = CANCEL OUT!
This is 100% evivence that the world is coming to an end pretty soon! I can just picture where this world is run by "gay' people! It would just cancel out since eventually there would not be enough kids being born from straight couples! Lol.
BUT THAT IS NOTHING compared to the solution of the BIGGER PICTURE! Lets all think how a building is made! Lets all think how an engine is made! Lets all think how a computer is made! Lets all think how the hoover damn is made? Lets all think how money is made! Lets all think how we earn money! ONCE YOUR MIND UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT< WE CAN SEE THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY! WE CAN ALSO SEE THE ROAD BLOCKCKS! WE CAN SEE HE VORTEX OF LIFE!
LIFE is just a vortex where the focal point is the center! A human body is a vortex if you use your imagination of reality! Food goes in the mouth and poop comes out! The food is just the ladder to keep on evolving OK! = CHECKED! 100% facts! NOW lets think what made you, your mom, your dad, your son, daughter? CHECK! ALL GAY PEOPLE GET ELIMINATED! SINCE NO MALE HAS A UTERUS1000000% FACTS!
Now PLEASE, can we look in to the vortex of the future with INTELLIGENCE? It is very clear that the hearts of everyone are VERY VERY CONFUSED! And this is due to watching too much TV that is the entertainment of oil barrels! Meh!
IF we are seeking truth here LETS SEE BEYOND THE CORRUPTION! FROM a 360* angle! Lets look and study the out vortex of the inner vortex? SINCE the truth to keep on living is BASED ON THE OUTER VORTEX OF THE VORTEX!!!! SORRYYYY TO SAY but GAY PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO NOT EVOLVE! THEY WILL CANCEL OUT 100000000000000000% 100% facts!
This actually is very beautiful! The smart people control the common people and the common people can be controlled by money! I just thought that I'm wayyyyy ahead of myself in the mind right now! Lol
Humanity must come to the conclusion that right now we have only one planet to live on.
If we do not take care of it we have no where else to move to.The oceans are a mess right now because out of sight ,out of mind.Most of us were not paying attention.If 90%of the forests were cut down in the last 50 years most of us would have noticed but the oceans are underwater.A can of tuna is really the most contact I have with the oceans.Corporations are part of the problem.Rich people own their own corporations to avoid paying taxes and to avoid lawsuits on the action of their corporations.The problem really lies with all of us not speaking out,not noticing what is going on.Oh I think we care.I dont want to eat canned jellyfish in place of tuna.If we start now we can save most of it.
Fish stocks can recover,even from 10%.So we still have some resources to work with.But the oceans are becoming acidic too.Too much CO2 in the atmosphere.Lower Ph levels in the ocean mess up the shellfish ability to use calcium carbonate in their shells.
One person can make a difference.One person invented the plastic that pollutes our oceans today.One person may come up with a microbe that eats it all up!Oil has been seeping into the oceans forever so microbes evolved to eat it.
Thats why most of an oil spill gets gobbled up in the oceans.Birds do have a hard time of it.It may be up to nature to evolve a microbe to eat the plastic.
I heard somewhere that when trees first came to be on the earth that dead wood lined up on the shorelines of the world deep and high until termites evolved to eat the dead wood.I guess maybe too that something will evolve to eat the plastic.triffid
It could take some time?
Greece is not the only one who may default.Now,"The markets are clear that Puerto Rico is heading to a direction of a restructuring or default," said the economist, adding that a voluntary restructuring by bondholders might be the best option."The last four administrations have kicked the can down the road," said Villamil. "At this point, there is no more can to kick. So we're going to take some very strict measures and some very profound measures. It's going to hurt, but there's no way out."
A report released Monday by a former World Bank chief economist and others found that Puerto Rico's fiscal debt is larger than originally thought and urged the government to act quickly.
forget all the doom and gloom ! Its time for a peoples currency one without government control and soon a chance for it is on the table ........... I may give a gift as a free bond to everyone in the economic EU crash site hahah paid in KWH they can sale them on on the futures markets .......
Do you see my point ? Than do it with food and than water ! This to me is my revenge on mad man politics and confused manipulative economic plans that are well thought out with total ownership of the economic fabric of Europe and than the world ....
I did not vote for that ! They are in breach of my equal rights so give them a message from me !
One people one plan one world one economy and they cant do a thing to stop it ..........................................................................
ATOM1
Quote from: ATOM1 on June 30, 2015, 06:04:15 AM
forget all the doom and gloom !
...
One people one plan one world one economy and they cant do a thing to stop it ..........................................................................
ATOM1
That is, more or less, the AGENDA which
they(the elites who control Planet Earth) have been
bringing about for several centuries.
They now
have attained control of every lever of power and
are in the final stages of
their Doom and Gloom
program of World Depopulation.
There will be wars, genocides, chemtrails, famines,
sickness, disease, vaccinations, medications, and
other forms of pollution to assure that
they achieve
their goal of few remaining humans alive.
The Ordinary People are not in a position to stop the
AGENDA.
I sir am not ordinary and fill strong in my conviction that simple acts of logic will be far more powerful that the so called powerful as real power is freedom l Open the gate and a billion will walk free ...... Hold that gate with me sir and email me for the copy of the plan I have made ready for your reply ....
Fear nothing and nothing will fear you .....
ATOM1
Quote from: triffid on June 29, 2015, 11:18:43 AM
Greece is not the only one who may default.Now,"The markets are clear that Puerto Rico is heading to a direction of a restructuring or default," said the economist, adding that a voluntary restructuring by bondholders might be the best option.
Triffid,
I said in a past post "Does anyone know that the acronym, PIGS?, means?" This is it: "Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain" They finally added Iceland as well, so it became 'PIIGS.'
All those countries have a problem with their economies. And that was some time ago. Greece wants to do things their way and the rest of Europe is balking at the idea. Talks were said to have broken down between Greece and the Financial/Gov't/Legal/etc. authorities.
When the next payment is due, the clock runs out on Greece and things get rough, financially, the average Greek population of working class people. The same thing happened in the Great Depression to about 25% of Americans, and it could happen again.
Quote
"The last four administrations have kicked the can down the road," said Villamil. "At this point, there is no more can to kick. So we're going to take some very strict measures and some very profound measures. It's going to hurt, but there's no way out."
A report released Monday by a former World Bank chief economist and others found that Puerto Rico's fiscal debt is larger than originally thought and urged the government to act quickly.
Now it's also Puerto Rico, as well. There may be other countries that think they're all right with their economies? We'll see. Oh, I almost forgot:
China's financial system is headed for the toilet by their buildings huge building that sit empty across the country in the bigger cities? Their problem of putting off what they were doing to prop up their economy, shouldn't have lasted even until now, at this later date.
Chinese communists are about learn the hard way what keeping a sick economy afloat while their 'Economic Ship of Economic Fools is maintained without regular maintenance at the status quo as long as possible amounts to have the good
'Ship Chinese Sailing Junk (the 'junk' is a type of slow moving Asian boat) sink to the bottom of the deepest part of the Pacific Ocean.
--Lee
slow down the typing speed I thought I was bad ! You got a good grip on the situation but your in panic mode forecast ! Think what you can do to help the people to help them self's or your just a fly on the wall like the rest of them ......
We don't need governments ruling anything this is a chance to do something special but slow down son .
ATOM1
Triffid, I've probably have had like, I would estimate, 20 jobs under my belt. In 100% of all those jobs, the only way to make changes in the company is to change the mentality of the owner/s of the company. Dealing with the mere workers and trying to make a change by debating TRUTH with them is just a waste of time! The 1000% answer is to change the mentality of the boss/rich people AND the people that sell to the boss/rich people! I'm already 100% sure that money has all of them very very blind with all of those expensive toys. The 100% solution is to change their mentality (ignore the workers under their belt) = get to the boss of the situations PLAIN AND SIMPLE. That or like gandhi did the movement of protesting with no weapons. THE 100% ANSWER IS TO CHANGE THE MENTALITY OF "BIG BROTHER"!!! Who cares what 90% of the blind neighbors around your neighborhood think if they CAN'T SEE THE REAL TRUTH! The truth is to change the mentality of all leaders in the pack! = socialism. I'm 100% sure they don't want to kill this earth but GREED is what makes them blind.
The 100% is to change the bosses mind in any company for him/her to be able to see the truth! That's the answer. Now lets start to see who is the boss of everyone? Oh, after finding out who is the boss, how do we change their mentality for their benefit, the companies benefit, the workers benefit, and the earth's benefit = win, win, win, win. 8)
QuoteChina's financial system is headed for the toilet by their buildings huge building that sit empty across the country in the bigger cities? Their problem of putting off what they were doing to prop up their economy, shouldn't have lasted even until now, at this later date.
With all of the opportunity in the world they had to be a world country leader, they just seem like they always step on their own tail of a cat. In a couple of years the USA will stop all most over seas production from china because china does not know how to be a good leader. The USA population will get a lot of jobs they had overseas and get branded "made in the USA" instead of "made in china".
That to me says A LOT about china..since they have had the opportunity to be the next world "leader" but now I don't see it that way. They are probably more stuck in that manga comics.
Not to mention that is over populated that in some places it is illegal to have two kids? That's crazy right there!
@Joel321
QuoteNot to mention that is over populated that in some places it is illegal to have two kids? That's crazy right there!
Crazy is letting stupid people breed themselves out of existence. A recent study found the smartest most productive people have 1-2 children on average and the dumbest and mostly uneducated 4-6 children. Thus the study concluded stupid people will eventually dominate this world which explains a lot doesn't it because were already there.
You could think of it this way, if we put a bull and a cow on 6 acres of grass and a small water source they would do fine. If you let them breed by the third generation all the grass would be gone as well as the water and most if not all will die. This is essentially what will happen to this planet if we let stupid people who think on the same level as animals have their way. In essence were screwed and outnumbered because we have given them the right to breed themselves out of existence and you can be sure they will given the chance. China is a perfect example of what the future holds... it's simply a matter of time.
AC
Hitler had thoughts like that of yours ! Not a good idea to grow that in your head try a positive out look and add in some abundance if you cant see the abundance than your left with the negative view point .. I don't believe in force control of people or animals but I do see the imbalance we have got into. Now lets get it all sorted out ! And you had better leave that to me until your plan is coherent with equality and respect of indigenous people.
Education of what ???? you did say dumb people hahahah the world needs dumb people or we would never have a need for teachers to teach them something worth learning .. Now my lesson here is simple tech the dumb people to teach them self's about the risks of following the so called educated that have completely ruined the economic fabric of the world.... Need I say more ! So WHO R THE DUMB PEOPLE ??????? The ones who live off the land and hurt no one or the educated who build weapons religions political parties Gm crops and those in bio genetics that want to build people they can totally control ...
R U ONE OF THEM ????
ATOM1
QuoteCrazy is letting stupid people breed themselves out of existence. A recent study found the smartest most productive people have 1-2 children on average and the dumbest and mostly uneducated 4-6 children. Thus the study concluded stupid people will eventually dominate this world which explains a lot doesn't it because were already there.
You could think of it this way, if we put a bull and a cow on 6 acres of grass and a small water source they would do fine. If you let them breed by the third generation all the grass would be gone as well as the water and most if not all will die. This is essentially what will happen to this planet if we let stupid people who think on the same level as animals have their way. In essence were screwed and outnumbered because we have given them the right to breed themselves out of existence and you can be sure they will given the chance. China is a perfect example of what the future holds... it's simply a matter of time.
Did you just type all of that to defend your Chinese girlfriend/wife? Based on your screen name YOU ARE CANADIAN?
OH! I hope you are not one of those guys that find an "over seas" wife/girlfriend since you could not find one in your own country!?
Let me analyze the situation here...a Canadian defending china? Ok, let me punch in the numbers in my calculator...let me do the math, let me do some experiments, OK I got the solution, this guy has a fetish for Asian females lol.
@Atom
QuoteHitler had thoughts like that of yours ! Not a good idea to grow that in your
head try a positive out look and add in some abundance if you cant see the
abundance than your left with the negative view point .. I don't believe in
force control of people or animals but I do see the imbalance we have got into.
Now lets get it all sorted out ! And you had better leave that to me until your
plan is coherent with equality and respect of indigenous people.
I'm really not sure what your rant has to do with my post. By the numbers a scientific study found mostly poor and uneducated people have on average near twice as many children as more educated people irrespective of race, religion and geography. The fact remains that if the population keeps growing then any fool should be able to understand we are going to run out of room and resources...that was my point. As I said China is a perfect example as everything is polluted, there running out of resources and land if they don't curb the population growth through incentives or fines then they are going to be in very big trouble. They are a lesson in what not to do and while they may have profited short term economically they will suffer untold long term consequences due to there actions.
@Joel123
Dude you need to see a psychiatrist.
AC
^sorry I kind of see your view point now and I do believe that china is a perfect example for the rest of the continents. Their houses in their overpopulated places do not even have back yards. They are trying hard to recycle everything since they are force to do so based on the over population.
They recycle the bathwater for all the family to bather with to even wash their clothes with the same water.
https://youtu.be/TKsA10XRiac
But lets be honest, is your girlfriend Asian or do you like Asian girls more than your home town native ones? Lets be honest here?
If you mean that china is OVER POPULATED then yes I agree with you. The USA will stop making things in chine pretty soon and they will labeled "made in the USA" which means more jobs for USA folks and china will go down economically. In effect, china can't control the over population and is a perfect example what will happen for those countries that can "control" the over population.
ALL Canadian ??? what about the rest of us ?? I dont think you are educated son I am certain you are ignorant rude isolated and so of the mark with your slander and at least I for one will never go down that road ... You don't know me so keep your energy clean ok !
There is plenty of room on this planet and enough space for 100 billion people ! Humans occupy les than 2% of the full land mass and I don't like force control of anything. We just have to except we are growing so build some space cites and all Canadian can go and live on the moon. When you talk like that it diminishes your personality into a pointless hate bucket field with your envy. I don't see anything that you have contributed that has value. I want to see 100 billion people and they will end up either eating one another or plan and develop around the problem. I think its time for me to go to a sperm bank and make a million copies of myself just to encourage the growth rate.... To me space is infinity not a self orientated inartistic venom of poison that to many here speak.
So son lets see what you have invented and I will show you mine!
ATOM1
@Joel
QuoteIf you mean that china is OVER POPULATED then yes I agree with you. The USA will stop making things in chine pretty soon and they will labeled "made in the USA" which means more jobs for USA folks and china will go down economically. In effect, china can't control the over population and is a perfect example what will happen for those countries that can "control" the over population.
I'm not sure you understand what is actually happening. China, Russia and many others have said very soon they will stop accepting payment for resources in American dollars. This will grossly devalue the U.S. dollar, the economy will collapse and the U.S. will become a third world country. China has more honor roll students than America has students and in the next few years they will be installing more solar power than the rest of the world combined.
America will most likely be the next country to default on there loans just as Greece has recently which will basically be the beginning of the end for them economically. They will most likely drag Canada down with them however we are massively resource rich with a population density ten times lower than the U.S. so there is a slight chance we might make out okay. You can't eat credit or worthless paper money my friend and very soon all that toxic debt the American's were peddling is going to come full circle and wipe them out. You can only peddle BS for so long before people call your bluff and the proverbial jig is up for them.
AC
QuoteI'm not sure you understand what is actually happening. China, Russia and many others have said very soon they will stop accepting payment for resources in American dollars. This will grossly devalue the U.S. dollar, the economy will collapse and the U.S. will become a third world country. China has more honor roll students than America has students and in the next few years they will be installing more solar power than the rest of the world combined.
America will most likely be the next country to default on there loans just as Greece has recently which will basically be the beginning of the end for them economically. They will most likely drag Canada down with them however we are massively resource rich with a population density ten times lower than the U.S. so there is a slight chance we might make out okay. You can't eat credit or worthless paper money my friend and very soon all that toxic debt the American's were peddling is going to come full circle and wipe them out. You can only peddle BS for so long before people call your bluff and the proverbial jig is up for them.
Yes I understand what you mean but I also understand how the USA has been influencing their cheap labor in foreing countries. IOW< the only reason china has cheap labor is because the USA is a BIG demand for the products = they mostly build for the USA demands. In effect, the only reason china has cheap labor is because of the USA demands! China makes a profit from the cheap labor USA makes profit from it too! This means that the USA's demand is what is controlling cheap china products. IF the USA finds a way to stop getting cheap labor in the USA and still make a profit, than the USA will grow even bigger! If china, Russia, and many other cut the USA off, their foreign revenue will decrease dramatically.
In the upcoming years, china will get phased out from the cheap labor because China CANNOT CONTROLL THEIR OVER POPULATION! As I stated, in some areas it is illegal to have two kids. I have never heard this in the USA in all states where the USA continent is way smaller than china!
Regarding the explanation of economics, then I can't give you a very clear definition but the evidence is there. I don't know the "formula" of how the USA works but it's doing a pretty good psychological thing around the world. Cutting out China, and other cheap labor, will only make the USA stronger. IOW< bringing the labor to the USA will make the economy grow and ONLY THE USA WILL BUY FOREIGN PRODUCTS AT a CHEAP LABOR PRICE lol. A shift of cheap labor to the USA becomes more profitable for the USA residents and for the economy! This will happen in the next couple of years!
I don't know what is your point here, do you find that China as a good example of the lack of NOT being able to control over population or that China is going to be the next world leader?
As dark as it may seem there is light and beauty in the world.I think Greece should default and go their separate ways.Like I mentioned before in this thread the USA defaulted seven times in the past and we survived.As for the oceans we must "rewild" the earth.Give the fish stocks time to rebound from overfishing.We must change how much power we give the corporations.They exist only to help their owners avoid taxes and to insulate their owners from personal losses.Corporations must do business in a way to keep the earth alive for all humans.For all time.triffid
We are survivors---all of us.We are the children of survivors at least.We survived the 1950s when everyone was trying to build a bigger atomic bomb.In 1962 the biggest( 50 megaton) was exploded in the artic by Russia to show the USA they could do it.They wanted to build a 100 megaton bomb.But the bombs builder said no.Said a 50 megaton bomb was clear enough(the message).Of course we have all of these other concerns nowadays.We forget about chemical weapons which are just as deadly as atomic bombs.Cheaper too.
I hope by the time we are able to travel to other living worlds(like the earth) that we are hell bent on preserving bio diversity.Not just laying waste to the whole planet to fatten the bank accounts of a few people.Nature recycles every atom.Man should learn to do the same thing.triffid
Nature will win over man every time.The earth was here before man and the earth will be here long after man.We do show promise.Maybe we can survive?If not then nature will take over again.triffid
Quote from: ATOM1 on June 30, 2015, 07:37:11 PM
slow down the typing speed I thought I was bad ! You got a good grip on the situation but your in panic mode forecast ! Think what you can do to help the people to help them self's or your just a fly on the wall like the rest of them ......
We don't need governments ruling anything this is a chance to do something special but slow down son .
ATOM1
ATOM1,
Okay, okay...
I've decided for now to take some more time for this thread I started
awhile ago. I'll give you a quick reason; look at this...
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/chinese-chaos-worse-than-greece/story-fnu2pycd-1227430761673 (http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/chinese-chaos-worse-than-greece/story-fnu2pycd-1227430761673)
That article above should say it all for the subject of this thread. The Chinese aren't the only ones to watch, you know. Greece just voted
overwhelmingly to reject their nation's austerity conditions being imposed by other European countries.
Finally, there's ISIS. They're
absolutely no joke in the Arabic-speaking countries they're taking over now. They can win every civil war they start and then Obama will have something to
try and tell the American people when ISIS trains its gun sights on us.
This thread was started for a reason and the "nay-sayers" are silent now...
They. Know. Who. They. Are.
--Lee
Later Reedit:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/06/news/economy/greece-banks-holiday-extension/index.html
For those who may be inclined to believe that
our World has too many people:
Overpopulation is a myth (https://overpopulationisamyth.com/).
The very wicked and evil people who presently
rule and otherwise control Our World certainly
want all to think we need population reduction.
Their AGENDA to kill off approximately 2/3 of
the peoples of Planet Earth is well underway.
Hey SeaMonkey, I would respectfully disagree with your links in this case. Over population is 100% undeniable fact. Your link only shows videos of a guy posting quick animate videos but does not show the EMPIRICAL 100% facts regarding over population. It is really simple really to understand by any outside thinking FREEE from the media jargon!
Remember back in the days where it was inappropriate for a female to show her ankles? Now the internet shows many naked females and influences promiscuity and fetish behavior. We are at an era of perverseness that will double the population all around the world in a couple of years. This will lead to the next "great extinction" on the planet. This goes to show how the "smart" people can't control their kids. In effect, the "science" or "intelligent" people are digging their own grave by themselves also ENHANCED by the people that can control them easy!
I have thought about this before. It is kind of a vortex of in the mind thinking! Nikola Tesla was a great thinker but jpmoragan was a great manipulator. The intellect is attracted to the "ALPHA". The alpha will always win in social situations more than INTELLECT! SO we have this blind SPOT! The intelligent people become intelligent since little based on NOT BEING SOCIAL BUTTERFLIES! SO we have two things going on here and may need more study but the evidence is clear as a sunny day! Intelligence is a byproduct of an alpha male. Is like a north and south pole of a magnet. IT IS VERY WEIRD FOR ME SINCE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE CANNOT OVER COME THE ALPHA MALE! While the alpha male is not as intelligent as the INTROVERT/AUTISTIC, the alpha male will always win by default of EVOLUTION laws!
What I mean is that over population cannot be STOPPED! It is 100% real and will continue to be real till the day all trees get cut down! NOW, if only there was this shift in the human ALPHA MALE mentality...WHERE AN ALPHA MALE BECOMES SMART LIKE ANY OTHER SMART INTROVERTED PERSON! That would mean a LEAP on the evolution of "intelligent" people and "alpha" males. This is a big deal though where there would be a BIG SHIFT in society! As it stands right now, put on your sad faces on and enjoy the rest of your years with your family but it is going SOUTH! = The next world extinction! Brought to you by the over populated people in the world :P
QuoteNature will win over man every time.The earth was here before man and the earth will be here long after man.We do show promise.Maybe we can survive?If not then nature will take over again.triffid
Think of an ant house and then think of a human house and then think of a t-rex house? In all endings of the thinking, NATURE always wins. "NATURE"/"THE ATOM"/"EVOLUTION" ALWAYS WINS! This earth has had many world wide extinctions in the past before and it is still here and will continue to be here for more billions of years! Even if the surface of this earth becomes a downfall of the economy and there are people fighting for the last money dollar bills, there will still be a next meteor that will burn all to hell eventually. This happens all of the time either randomly or by controlled applications.
Now if this is 100% true, how will you find the best way for your GENETIC CODE to survive the next world extinction? There is no doubt that the earth will keep on spinning with life, maybe it has 4 more extinctions left before it dies out, BUT, What is your GENETIC code telling you to survive the next WORLD EXTINCTION? Lol...do you buy one ton of can food? Do you buy many batteries for your flashlight? Do you buy many guns? Do you withdraw all of you money from the bank?
The thing is that nature has always been the key since the beginning of "time". And will continue since in the "future" there are galaxies farther then ours from the "big bang" of our existence. So nature WILL always reclaim any planet...the question is, how do we COUNTER-CLOCKWISE NATURE? For us to have a control of our ant hill. PLUS how do we make the QUEEN/KING "big mother/brother" understand what's best for the world on no just for their present pockets?
the Plan for a better World is not new and not a secret and also organized by the U.N. :
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nachhaltigkeit.info%2Fartikel%2Fweltbevoelkerungskonf_kairo_1994_551.htm&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nachhaltigkeit.info%2Fartikel%2Fweltbevoelkerungskonf_kairo_1994_551.htm&edit-text=)
All couples and individuals have the basic right to decide freely and responsibly the number and spacing of Their children and to have the information, education and Means to do that. "
So it is also an human right to become poor and hungry and thursty by misleading
his/her decision freedom.Probably also to become killed by their own childs.
radix(roots),radical : our political world becomes more transparent
Aristoteles "democracy" has got five transition states,
but all have had slaves as passive participiants (estate inventary).
TIME LIFE book,"Plants":
the earth/biosphere/humans ideal balanced number 300 Millions habitants ( ~ 1500 p. C.)
Sincerely
OCWL
Quotethere will still be a next meteor that will burn all to hell eventually. This happens all of the time either randomly or by controlled applications.
Just to emphasize a little further in the understanding of human visualization, look at this empirical picture. http://i.imgur.com/vn0s9nu.jpg One can understand ALL of those "scars" on the mooon right? They do tell a story too! You can see that one impact caused the the explosion force to go all around the moon (top right). We still see the moon to this day while we don't understand how long ago that rock impacted that area. Hmmm I'm assuming the same cratered surface is similar to the earth's surface? pppfft, for sure many hits!
The thing that is hard to explain is waves, frequencies, Hertz, of life. Our lives have shifting waves of energy that affects our wave of thinking. EVEN THOUGH WE LIVE IN THIS NEGATIVE POSITIVE WORLD, the POSITIVE always wins! AND this only means that there needs to be positive energy coming from everyone in order to surpass negative. Like in the picture of the moon, HOW MANY "NEGATIVE" HITS HAS IT TAKEN? = craters all over the surface of it! YET! It is still there and considered pretty small compared to the size of the earth, YET< the earth would probably drift off in outer space with out the moon = the moon and the earth getting bombarded = a galactic "war" of wave energy!
The Galaxy even teaches you about the quantum or in between the quantum! It's hard to explain but is like waves of energy rippling from the center to the outer. And allll along the center and the outer, there are wave that ripple between them too. Like if I sneeze, there is only the person next to me to tell me "god bless you" BUT my ripples of sneezing could be going on for decades!
Now we have to protect this earth from GREED and from METEORS. If we fail to protect this earth from greed, or meteors, life will keep on living! BUt that just makes one think 1) How to survive GREEED? 2) How to survive a 4 mile long meteor? Oh wait, I'm thinking here....oh sorry, I thought only rich people could understand solutions lol!!! It is empirical evidence that the rich are the stupidest people in the world that pay the intelligent to make them look smart! With out their SPOON FED MONEY from their parents, they would not be able to climb up the "rich" ladder.
LOL, the question is, how deep in the rabbit hole can your brain handle with out you going looney? lol
The worldwide disaster, which has already begun,
is gaining momentum:
United Nations pushes Genetically Modified Foods. (http://www.zengardner.com/un-relief-group-pushes-new-genetic-engineering-techniques/)
Insights into those who control our World. (http://www.zengardner.com/who-owns-the-land/)
Our World has been taken over by some very, very
bad people. They do not want a lot of us to remain
alive. The fewer people there are on Planet Earth,
the easier it will be to control them. Any uprisings
would be easily squashed.
Hey SeaMonkey,
Have you read the Harbinger? If not you should read it. It is written as fiction but in fact is not fiction. You can check out the facts presented in it and they are all real. But some of us know how it is all going to turn out.
Carroll
Greetings Carroll,
I'm familiar with The Harbinger and I've seen two of
Cahn's interviews, but no, I haven't read the book.
I've studied several of the detailed reviews of the
book and its premise, however.
I agree that America is in dire straits in that it has
turned to the Dark Side as it pursues empire. In
time it will reap what it has sown and it is not
going to be pretty. Those who live by the sword,
as America does today with its wars and tools of
destruction, are destined to die by the sword.
Hello again,
There is a follow up to that book called "The Mystery of the Shemitah". It is also a very interesting book to read. From all indications the end for the U.S. in not really that far off. I will be surprised if we last another two years. God will not be mocked. Those that don't believe are in for a rude awakening.
Later,
Carroll
Aye Carroll, I agree. It could easily be within the next
two years. America has come to rely upon wars and
sales of weapons in order to prop up its "superpower"
image and its failing economy.
Seeing the changes which have occurred in America's
foreign policy and its present need to dominate the
World has been quite shocking. During the 1950s and
'60s we seemed a much more peaceful nation who
actually made some effort to avoid conflict. Thinking
that America could do a complete turnaround into
the warmongering tyrant it has become was just not
possible because everything seemed so good.
Surprise, surprise!! Not nearly as good as we thought...
Joel:
You may be interested in watching this video. Or, anyone else, as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW-OVLIAjTk
@Seamonkey
QuoteSeeing the changes which have occurred in America's[/size]foreign policy and its present need to dominate theWorld has been quite shocking. During the 1950s and'60s we seemed a much more peaceful nation whoactually made some effort to avoid conflict. Thinkingthat America could do a complete turnaround intothe warmongering tyrant it has become was just notpossible because everything seemed so good.
It is a sorry state of affairs and it's strange so few saw it coming even though I did over a decade ago. The problem is intelligence and the ability to see the big picture in a comprehensive meaningful way.
Let me put in a way you might understand, every country is bound to global markets thus there health and wealth is determined by there Gross Domestic Product...what they produce. This means they must continually be producing more relative to others which also means they are consuming more. More people generally means more and cheaper labor to produce more stuff they can sell which also means they consume even more.
Do you see a problems here?, you see to remain competitive a country must always have a growing population and be consuming more and more resources. Logically any intelligent person who has given this problem any real thought should understand every country should end up over-populated, polluted and resource poor just like China because that is what the system we have created is designed to do.
I mean what part of breeding like rats and consuming everything in sight do people not understand?. We cannot keep consuming everything in sight until there is nothing left....because there will be nothing left. We cannot keep breeding until the population reaches 20...50...100...200 Billion because there is no god damn way this planet could ever support that many people. Why do we need that many people?, what in the hell are they going to do?... blindly consume resources because that really isn't a purpose in life unless your a rat.
So yes dude buckle up because I don't think you have a clue how wild this ride is going to get. It is said in the scripture...the other scripture which actually predates all that Jesus/Bible nonsense by 30,000 years or more that we have completely annihilated our supposedly civilized society three times in the past. Now one might say... I find that really hard to believe however look at what were doing?, look at what we have done to this planet?. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out exactly where were headed, lol.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on July 09, 2015, 01:42:52 AM
@Seamonkey
It is a sorry state of affairs and it's strange so few saw it coming even though I did over a decade ago. The problem is intelligence and the ability to see the big picture in a comprehensive meaningful way.
Let me put in a way you might understand, every country is bound to global markets thus there health and wealth is determined by there Gross Domestic Product...what they produce. This means they must continually be producing more relative to others which also means they are consuming more. More people generally means more and cheaper labor to produce more stuff they can sell which also means they consume even more.
Do you see a problems here?, you see to remain competitive a country must always have a growing population and be consuming more and more resources. Logically any intelligent person who has given this problem any real thought should understand every country should end up over-populated, polluted and resource poor just like China because that is what the system we have created is designed to do.
I mean what part of breeding like rats and consuming everything in sight do people not understand?. We cannot keep consuming everything in sight until there is nothing left....because there will be nothing left. We cannot keep breeding until the population reaches 20...50...100...200 Billion because there is no god damn way this planet could ever support that many people. Why do we need that many people?, what in the hell are they going to do?... blindly consume resources because that really isn't a purpose in life unless your a rat.
So yes dude buckle up because I don't think you have a clue how wild this ride is going to get. It is said in the scripture...the other scripture which actually predates all that Jesus/Bible nonsense by 30,000 years or more that we have completely annihilated our supposedly civilized society three times in the past. Now one might say... I find that really hard to believe however look at what were doing?, look at what we have done to this planet?. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out exactly where were headed, lol.
AC
Saner words I have not heard for some time now.
I truly fear for our children and grand children...they may well be the last generations.
Those that have chosen to live in large cities, will be the most affected. Look at what is happening in Calif. No water.
What was the purpose of Harpp, to control and modify the weather, to help humanity, or to control humanity.
You can't change the world, but you can change yourself. There is still time. There is still room, and there is still enough, or we wouldn't be here.
We are all being manipulated, as if we are the pawns in a chess game. Take back your power, we are the governments, you want change. Be that change, and don't cry over spilled milk.
You won't and can't really change the way things are in the world, but you can change yourself, where you live and how you live, what you do, etz...
Your example will make the difference, don't allow yourself to be brainwashed, be yourself, do your thing.
Don't be a working slave for these manipulators, giving these legal thieves 1/2 of your hard earn money in taxes.
Live your life, do what you love to do. Don't be part of the herd, that's being taken to the slaughter house.
Mickey mouse is a RAT! http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/337514-disney-world-fires-tech-workers-requires-train-immigrant-replacements/ (http://www.ijreview.com/2015/06/337514-disney-world-fires-tech-workers-requires-train-immigrant-replacements/)
Once upon a time, there were about 250 tech workers who were running the computers in the central nervous system of Disney World operations. Then, one day, Disney laid them all off, hired immigrants brought in on visas to take their place, and required many of the former employees to train their replacements.
This isn't your typical Disney-fairytale, but this is what The New York Timesreported (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html?smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0) Thursday.
In October 2014, about 250 employees were laid off and Disney used an outsourcing firm in India to hire immigrants that would work under a temporary visa, known as H-1B, for highly skilled technical workers. Some employees' severance checks required they continued doing their job for the next three months as they trained their replacements.
Quote from: NickZ on July 09, 2015, 08:42:09 AM
Those that have chosen to live in large cities, will be the most affected. Look at what is happening in Calif. No water.
What was the purpose of Harpp, to control and modify the weather, to help humanity, or to control humanity.
You can't change the world, but you can change yourself. There is still time. There is still room, and there is still enough, or we wouldn't be here.
We are all being manipulated, as if we are the pawns in a chess game. Take back your power, we are the governments, you want change. Be that change, and don't cry over spilled milk.
You won't and can't really change the way things are in the world, but you can change yourself, where you live and how you live, what you do, etz...
Your example will make the difference, don't allow yourself to be brainwashed, be yourself, do your thing.
Don't be a working slave for these manipulators, giving these legal thieves 1/2 of your hard earn money in taxes.
Live your life, do what you love to do. Don't be part of the herd, that's being taken to the slaughter house.
California's drought and lack of water have nothing to do with conspiracies. California is basically a desert ecology and is returning to normal now that man has used up all the surrounding water sources; ie the Mono Lake reservoir, and a couple of the aquafers that have been tapped and are now nearly gone.
It is because of greed and bad planning that California is returning to it's natural desert state.
This isn't the first time that a company has laid off employees and used an outsourcing firm to bring in immigrant replacements:In 2014, Southern California Edison laid off (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-edison-layoffs-20150211-story.html) about 540 technology workers and hired two Indian outsourcing firms to get replacements.About 350 tech workers were laid off (http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2013/10/01/northeast-utilities-cut-jobs/b9GXcSJn2MNccbBLNnzTDP/story.html) in 2013 from Northeast Utilities and were replaced by H-1B immigrants. The workers said as part of their severance they had to sign agreements to not criticize the company publicly.
@Spilled fluids
QuoteCalifornia's drought and lack of water have nothing to do with conspiracies.
California is basically a desert ecology and is returning to normal now that man
has used up all the surrounding water sources; ie the Mono Lake reservoir, and a
couple of the aquafers that have been tapped and are now nearly gone.
It is because of greed and bad planning that California is returning to it's natural
desert state.
I think the conspiracy is that most people honestly believe they can just do whatever they want without consequence and nobody is to blame. They believe they can just consume everything in sight and nothing will come of it. My analogy is a passenger train which just drove off the edge of a cliff and on the way down everyone starts pointing fingers at each other and accusing the others of not doing enough to prevent this train wreck we call modern society.
It is a conspiracy that so many people need to create imaginary friends like when they were children they call gods to give them false hope and shield themselves from the harsh reality of the world around them. It is a conspiracy that so many claim to be responsible adults but when given the chance to act they fail to act responsibly. It is a conspiracy that so many claim to be intelligent and yet they cannot even understand simple economics.... unrestrained consumption of finite resources + massive population growth = death.
I think everyone knows intuitively that what we are doing is unsustainable and will end in disaster however nobody is willing to compromise what they have and in fact they want more. Everyone wants more and more not unlike a crack addict who uses more and more until more is way too much and they die of their own stupidity. Me, I have no faith in the human race to do the right thing any more and act responsibly because they have proven they are not responsible. People will do nothing until they are taken to the brink of disaster at which point it's a coin toss whether it will be too late or not.
AC
The Crash is inevitable. (http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/36402/Nelson-Hultberg-The-Orwellian-Keynesian-Path/) It cannot be stopped.
Those who produce the "funny money" may be
able to delay it for a time based upon the "faith"
of the people in the illusion, but it is coming.
The E.U. is pushing Greece for a reason. (http://www.zengardner.com/us-germany-led-eu-aint-allow-grexit/)
What is coming has been planned. (http://www.zengardner.com/globalists-hurtling-humanity-ww3-people-wake/)
SeaMonkey, here is empirical evidence of the growth of the population, probably you can even see the affects of global warming too (whach video from the start), but my point is the greeedy over population here watch.
https://youtu.be/MNQ9z_Eb-Jc?t=1m16s
I would like to point out that the problem is only based on the lack of very simplex management. This has to do a lot with greeed. To look at it in another way, it takes self control for a male+female not make unlimited kids when being taught that promescuity sells. You are not going to have 10 kids if you can't afford it? But they use appeal to sell products! I don't know about you, but all I see is greeed = "body insinuation sells" influencing the reproduction at a very very high rate (for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction?). And when it comes to "desperate" measure, I see some drastic measures coming. Unless there are some brave people that try to make some senses of the corruption.
NickZ, I personally believe that all of us have this gift from the DNA to understand everything that the "evolution" can be taught with out even science. Like a great white shark does not even know what is 2+2 but yet it has been here ever since the t-rex or even wayyyy before the t-rex.
So science is not what cause "the big bang", having said that "science" is ONLY just learning to interpret our consciousness and use theoretical models to understand our suroundings. I don't see any difference from a hammer head shark having more sensory sensor in the bottom of their hammer head than a great white shark under it's nose. All of our human sensors are the same since the beginings, SO I WOULD SAY ALL RELIGION SENSORING IN THE BRAIN ARE THE SAME. I don't see no difference between religion and science, I only see science sensory ability to keep records. But science and religion is all the same, we all want to keep on learning and meet our creator.
We ALL have a creator, scientists or religious believers. Is the same wave of thinking, i'm pretty sure an alien even believes in a creator, because our beliefs of a creator are true that will help us keep on living for eternity. Just like gay people. I have accepted that they will be with us for ever as long as we live...but the "scientific" or "religion" way understands that 100% of the humans cannot be gay.
If I think about the aliens teaching the ancient people their rules, that would be like you trying to teach a cat how to understand a cat in today's society what is 2+2.
So what we have here is very interesting. All animals brains are tuned to the same frequency or our solar system (galaxy?)....I mean all. Cat, catholic, scientist, atheist, rich, poor, introvert, extrovert, all brains are in equilibration in our solar system. The ONLY difference is inside our galactic equilibrium!
So you could say that all DNA in our solar system is vibrating at a certain frequency.
SO my deal is, if we are all a solar system "mother nature" why try to separate one another? If a "scientists" proves to go to the moon with a rocket, why is he more "intelligent" than krill in the ocean giving out 70% of our world oxygen? Even though the krill may never go to the moon, it is doing wayyyyyy more beneficial empirical facts for the health to the mother earth than 4 humans landing on the moon! That is 100% empirical facts! Which means the krill have more worth value than the people that landed on the moon! SInce if krill and trees where to die 100%, they would not exists to do that. Anyone tell me i'm wrong in the thinking? Just humans getting blind of what truth is and believing they are gods! is GREEED! 1000% empirical facts! How did landing on the mooon help the earth in any way greater than krill or trees living on earth? derp!
SeaMonkey, I think that no one wants to commit suicide in their right mind...LET ALONE A BILLONARE or one that LOVES to learn (both coming from the DNA of evolution).
WE ALL WANT TO KEEP ON LIVING FOR INFINITY, from the Egyptian mummies, to the rich people freezing their dead bodies for future scientist finding the fountain of youth. Everyone wants to live for infinity, even our earth. And when one does not understand their limits, is when things start to get corrupted and the evolution of many lives goes downhill very very fast!
If we look at the balance of the SURVIVAL of this earth, how is gold/money part of the circle of life? I kind of have a feeling that even a virus understands to use a host as transportation.
If we are phasing a next world extinction is regarding only based on two things.
1-There is a higher power that is doing this.
2- If there is no higher power, then we are doing this. By we I mean the government, not the common people. To me, money does not give me pleasure as much as understanding the way mother nature works. Mother nature is sex = pleasure you can't explain and need. Money is artificial corruption man made. Do the math?
Don't be lazy get a job in money prevention hahaha The job title goes like this ! Economic master required for planet earth death strategy ! Payment on achieving targets ! First year project is to pump pollution into the water systems than produce demonic genetic super wheat . Second year target is over production of test tube babies born fully grown and starving with neuron support programing and full knowledge of nuclear weapons ! The second year target is closely connected to the mega monster jelly fish programme now out of control in the oceans but needs more advanced targeted chaos strategy to implement the feeding programme. The third year is testing the new home made death serum wtj4ihi9 00000 xzp 1 we are at this moment ready to conclude our plastic god theory and start production of a new religion called zombiesum the 3rd mantra sex god from the planet plastic dummy , After you succeed after the 3 year training programme you get a company car and a bonus with automated self destruction hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahha ok ! Now than which one of you monkeys is up for the job ????????? I know all of you ahahhahahahahahahahhahaha because you couldn't make a fish pond let alone a response to global disaster ect ect ! you lot just sit around all day talking on the internet ! hahahaahha good luck with your new job hahahahahahah
ATOM1
Funny Business is going on in Ontario, Canada. (http://henrymakow.com/2015/07/Lesbian%20Premier-Lives-in-a--Ed-Bubble%20.html)
Fortunately, The People are awake and can
see through the AGENDA.
Vigilant Citizen does a great job of keeping
the interested ones informed. (http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/rihannas-better-money-promotes-elites-obsession-torture/) Our World is
getting weird on numerous fronts.
America, since 1947, has not been a peaceful
member of the nations. (http://www.zengardner.com/cias-secret-wars-third-world/) It has used its CIA to
bring disaster to virtually the entire planet.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on July 10, 2015, 04:54:19 PM
Funny Business is going on in Ontario, Canada. (http://henrymakow.com/2015/07/Lesbian%20Premier-Lives-in-a--Ed-Bubble%20.html)
Fortunately, The People are awake and can
see through the AGENDA.
Vigilant Citizen does a great job of keeping
the interested ones informed. (http://vigilantcitizen.com/musicbusiness/rihannas-better-money-promotes-elites-obsession-torture/) Our World is
getting weird on numerous fronts.
America, since 1947, has not been a peaceful
member of the nations. (http://www.zengardner.com/cias-secret-wars-third-world/) It has used its CIA to
bring disaster to virtually the entire planet.
I've been reading the gist of your post and I think I can sum it up with this:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/10/china-stock-market-crash-world-problem-struggling-economy-small-invesots (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/10/china-stock-market-crash-world-problem-struggling-economy-small-invesots)
Now,the article above deals with the greed that's ever-present in people---and to some extent---it holds for most people. I don't like going slowly broke in an expensive town like S.F. The problem of worthless monetary units worldwide cannot be escaped.
It looks like to me the "Triple Whammy" of Greece's loan default, China's potential stock market collapse, and finally, ISIS's vicious control of too much of Islam's moderate religious population, as a powerful 'fear factor' that those affected people can face death for refusing to do what ISIS wants.
I started this thread with the overall assumption that the just-mentioned factors would occur to many people in time, and now it looks like it's all coming here shortly. Find some personal support for your living situation if you can.
Lunch time, and the food's going fast where at.
Will try and add to this later.
--Lee
P.S.
The 'Web address above does actually load and run when the mouse cursor is clicked on the mouse.
Concerning my rather lengthy posted Reply #3954...
This is pretty recent:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-greek-sagas-next-chapter-moves-to-germany/
So, the Germans have to decide if they want to extend more loans to Greece, or let the Greek banks fail like a house of cards being blown down. Whatever they do, people might get edgy if they see their European tax money going 'down the drain', like in a toilet.
China, I believe, has an even worse time coming because they have a MUCH larger economy to try and keep from derailing their economic "money train", as it were.
--Lee
I think is TIME for the common people to wake up and see what is really going on behind closed doors. Today is a good as day as it was ten years ago. It is just time to make a global change! Forget debating on the internet to seek attention and seek "karma" for who is "smartest" on the internet. It is time to fight for truth!
What is truth you ask?
Fighting the corruption of GREED! That is the root of all evil. Picture your son being bullied at school and the principal doing something about it, now picture your kid being bullied by GREED but there is no one to do something about it? = GREED!
I honestly feel very very confident that Donald trump can't even know how to do simple equations! Yet he is running for president and is probably going to get through while at the same time being racist! = The mentality of rich people forget about from where does food come from! As a matter of fact, electing Donald trump as a president is a BIGGGG sing of an economic disaster coming soon.
We are at the edge folks! It is empirical that something CANNOT grow faster than the food mother nature provides!!! = a billionaire is wayyyy over it's head and they are some how psychotic. = addiction to money!
What I ask myself is if smart people can see an end real soon, what are they going to do about it?
What is the solution to a problem?
The solution is just to talk about the solution?
The solution is just to talk about the disaster?
What are you going to do about it for your self or for your family or for the earth?
Well, I'm pretty sure you are not going to do anything because you are afraid! = GREED! = You don't want to speak up because you will loose your job! = blinded as a slaved donkey for money.
I personally want god/aliens/evolution to make a new evaluation and get rid of the corruption and let those that are not corrupted to start a new way of life in this world. Will that happen? I think is inevitable! It will happen soon and many will die. It's just a way of the earth trying to vaccinate itself, if you want to think of it that way, or it's based on god punishing the evil, or based on evolution = many will die from the mistakes to give birth to the next generation wings.
Guess what? No one is going to do anything about it but to just debate! Where it is 100% empirical truth regarding the disaster coming soon.
The prophecies within The Book tell us that in the
final days the People (the sea) will awaken and will
massively revolt against the corruption, however,
they will not prevail. The forces behind all of the
wickedness and evil in Our World are not flesh and
blood, but are from the higher realms. They have
been given the power and authority to rule over
the World until the final battle where they will be
defeated by the Forces of Good.
The coming turmoil is for a purpose; to enable each
of us to choose whether we desire to be good or bad;
whether we love this corrupted World as it is, or whether
we look forward instead to the coming Kingdom of
righteousness and goodness.
The sheep will be separated from the goats.
This is a perfect example of the GREEED. http://i.imgur.com/BbQgU8a.jpg
That picture is from a redditor that submitted his medical bill after getting a Rattlesnake bite which the comments can be read here. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3dngld/this_is_the_cost_of_a_rattlesnake_bite_in_america/
That is one example and there are others that after finding out they have cancer, they loose all of their money and go broke spending their rest of their life trying to pay their bloated medical bills while trying to survive the illness.
Just thought I would bring light to a situation that is just crazy!
Having said that, lets try to understand the "supernatural" ENERGY gathered from the universe even in our thinking. Remember, our mind controls our body and our body controls our minds and both are dictated from the "AIR" energy of the greater galaxy. This I believe is true and GREED, evil, wars, corruption, is what is STOPPING us from "tapping" in to this FREEE energy given to us by mother nature and I believe once one taps in to that energy, a lot of questions will be answered as to become ENLIGHTEN. Remember, our brain frequency is the same frequency as the frequency of our galactic milky way planets. It's the same...frequency a few decibels up or down but maintain a balance. All frequencies have to maintain a balance inside a frequency or else, they will not be around much long, either move on or stop vibrating.
What if our mind could take control over our bodies and tell our genetic code what to do?
One can see that is not possible right? Because when you get a cut in your skin, the macro living tissue in your body already knows it needs to repair the house = the body so they can keep on living = save themselves by saving their human house.
Ok but there is this energy that comes from the galaxy that has been coming for billions of years I believe. A way for our brains to control our body and mind close to 100%. Where one sees mostly 90% the solution to the problems and can almost be a fortune teller of the results ten/twenty years from now.
I do really believe that all people are fortune tellers, I mean, they have to. If one sees a rattle snake, the mind automatically pictures the future outcome if one was to step on it. The same can be said about any other thing like touching fire. BUT what if we can go deeper? Deeper in the mind of controlling our body?
Take this guy for example? https://youtu.be/VaMjhwFE1Zw
Is this guy an alien?
Is this guy a fake?
Or has he "tapped" in to a new form of energy from the cosmos?
I believe this way of thinking is what is needed in today's society. We are taught to believe that we cannot think outside our brains. Can you imagine controlling your dreams? Where you have a bad dream and them realize I s a dream while still sleeping and turn it around in to a positive outcome in your nightmare?
At any rate, my point is that there is this "god" like energy that our brains can gather. One can say it is just "confidence" but it is way more than that. More deeper meaning where all meanings are just waves.
Look at our waves of thinking. https://i.imgur.com/7JtTSwN.gifv 8)
QuoteThey have
been given the power and authority to rule over
the World until the final battle where they will be
defeated by the Forces of Good.
The coming turmoil is for a purpose; to enable each
of us to choose whether we desire to be good or bad;
whether we love this corrupted World as it is, or whether
we look forward instead to the coming Kingdom of
righteousness and goodness.
Yeah makes sense, only a few people will survive but will be enough for the next step in the life to go all over again. I kind of feel like we need to walk up this ladder of life. On one side we are being "guided" by a higher power but at the same time we are being tested by a "higher power" and in the end, only a few selected will be allowed to continue on to the next step...either by body or mind waves does not matter. It will still be peaceful. Like a 60Hz electrical wave going down a cable at a steady voltage.
The way I think right now I'm pretty sure the wave of thinking has been past along for millions of years to this day. And I believe my way of thinking will continue to wave to the future because my mind of thinking is not to kill the earth.
If I can remember, all electrons go towards the protons? = positive wins always. As if positive keeps the negative in check and if negative gets out of control, they wave of thinking needs to get eradicated to keep on moving for the future!
The GOOD battling the bad to find a BALANCE of life.
Now how does money BALANCE the balance of life? :P
Quote from: joel321
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Now how does money BALANCE the balance of life? :P
Money, or more precisely, the money system which the
World is enslaved by today, is the invention of the
Greedy Ones. They are the ones who believe they are
superior to all others; who are more deserving of wealth
and leisure; who without empathy or compassion will
step on others as they pursue their wealth. These are
the same sort of people who are in positions of power
and control in Our World. Particularly the Western World.
The few Good Rulers who truly care about the People
are ruthlessly assassinated or otherwise "eliminated"
so as not to be an obstacle to U.S. hegemony.
The People, for the most part, are screwed.
Evil is the Root of all MoneyMoney - The Mother of all Monopolies
It is no accident that the situation in The Ukraine bears
and uncanny resemblance to the situation between the
State of Israel and Palestine. More specifically, the State
of Israel (ever expanding) and the Gaza Strip (ever shrinking.)
The Kiev Regime, installed by Israeli-Americans operating within
the U.S. Department of State, has taken on the ruthless
characteristics of the State of Israel; even to the extent that
the U.S. supports its military atrocities against the peoples of
the Donbass. Novorossiya, the Donbass, the struggling Republics
of Donetsk and Lugansk, have been reduced to the same plight
as the Peoples of Gaza.
Why have the Israeli-Americans in the U.S. Department of State
orchestrated such a fiasco in The Ukraine? One reason is to take
some of the heat off the State of Israel. The State of Israel has
come under heavy condemnation from some of the nations for the
death and destruction it has inflicted upon the largely helpless
People of Gaza. Now it is possible for Netanyahu to say: "But
look! The U.S. sponsored government of Kiev uses the same
sort of tactics in dealing with the "terrorists" of the east!" "Our
Israeli tactics aren't so bad after all!"
In order to further their plans and agenda they truly do not care
how many are killed; how much of the infrastructure is destroyed;
how many homes are obliterated; how many hospitals are bombed
out of existence. The People of the Donbass are in fact thought to
be animals or bugs in the same fashion as the Israelis look at the
Gazans as being animals or bugs.
What Israel is doing in The Ukraine mirrors what Israel is doing in
Gaza. Cleverly using the resources and the muscle of the U.S. to
make it happen.
The Global Economic Disaster is getting nearer and nearer...
"...If I can remember, all electrons go towards the protons? = positive wins always."
Not always. Take a look:http://education.jlab.org/qa/particlemass_02.html
Now: A fused-together neutron weighs less than the combined mass of the proton or electron added together.
And it has an effectively neutral charge compared to the electron and proton. Positive and negative charges cancel to the relative neutrality of both? I believe neutron stars still shine at all because the stars' core is slowly being compressed into more and more neutrons by the rest of the star above it all the way to the surface.
Does ANY OF THIS
matter if the Greek economy is in a free-fall state and the Chinese stock market is--on average---losing value---at least---weekly? ISIS is gaining footholds in more moderate Muslim countries with no end in sight, unless they take over just about every moderate Arab state in their part of the world. Quote
The GOOD battling the bad to find a BALANCE of life.
Now how does money BALANCE the balance of life? :P
The line of discussion immediately above isn't all related to the question posed by this thread. I'm trying to say on the general topic as I see it, currently.--Lee
The Greek Plot. (http://henrymakow.com/2015/07/is-greece-fate-a-harbinger.html)
We shall soon see how the plot thickens.
Hey SeaMonkey it is 100% empirical 100% truth that Hollywood is just a way to manipulate the people. Now once we start to do some "science" on the way they handle the way they operate, is when one start to see NON mathematical equations and NON scientific evidence that would BENEFIT this world BUT only they MANIPULATE science/nature to make money which to me = corruption to the highest degree and that cannot continue for infinity since for ever action there is an equal and opposite reaction. What GREED does does not equate to math/logic/positive it just equals, fuck you I'll take your money.
The common people need to start doing some scientific research on how the government works in order to find the truth! I personally believe that they don't do it to kill the world but they just do it because humans are social animals that can easily be persuaded. So these GREEDY people are easily persuaded by GREED and CANNOT see the future of getting bit by a snake venom!
We need to find a way to find TRUTH through the media like this
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/20/tonight-on-ac360-the-extraordinary-cost-of-getting-sick-in-america/
This is not something new, it is just that most of it is somehow not show on TV (I wonder why?) but it is true.
The same applies to medicine = big pharma! You think they are out to save you from dying? The cure is there based on the billions of years learned from mother nature...but you ncannot be cured for FREEE if you don't have the bloated money to pay back the all mighty GOD medical savior!
Please tell me what kind of scientists do research regathering this facts going deep in how the money really works? I think is time that people realize the ignorance of civilization don't you think?
What ever happened to sarkitchen?
For those whom can't handle deep stuff, here is the following:
https://youtu.be/jtqpuYvOfHY
https://youtu.be/1_H8z9YdLGM
https://youtu.be/HaWc6TiJsQ8
https://youtu.be/BXdNYXMQoy8
https://youtu.be/pWdKf3MneyI
Now after that, lets get back to reality :P
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Ray C. Anderson is chairman and CEO of Interface, Inc., a company he founded that is the world's largest producer of commercial floorcoverings and other interior products. In recent years, Anderson has embarked on a mission to make Interface a sustainable corporation by leading a worldwide war on waste and pioneering the processes of sustainable development. The philosophy guiding Anderson's passion for this case is that it is not only the right thing to do, but the smart thing, too. In 1997, Anderson was appointed co-chair of the President's Council on Sustainable Development, which advises the White House on environmental policy. In 1996 he received the inaugural Millennium Award from Mikhail Gorbechev and Global Green, and was recognized by Ernst & Young as Enterpreneur of the Year for the Southeast Region. Interface, Inc., was named one of the "100 Best Companies to Work For" in America by Fortune magazine in 1997 and 1998.A graduate of the Georgia Instit! ute of Technology, Anderson lives with his wife, Pat, in Atlanta. He has two children and five grandchildren. He has since passed on however.triffid
From a post by a reader in the link above:
Mr. Anderson has taken an important step forward in leading Interface Corporation towards becoming ecologically neutral. By that phrase, ecologically neutral, I mean taking nothing from and adding nothing to the environment. This concept has become a popular one in Europe beginning in Sweden, in the form of The Natural Step, but has been much more slowly adopted in the United States. Those who are interested in understanding the processes by which a company can pursue improved environmental performance will find many helpful examples in Mid-Course Correction.What if you don't care about your company's impact on the environment? Mr. Anderson makes a powerful argument based on his experiences at Interface that you should. First, it is much cheaper to produce goods and services if you use less materials and waste less. This means higher profits. Do you care about profits? Second, the pursuit of sustainability attracts many new customers and better supplier relationships. That also means higher profits. Third, people feel better about themselves. Do you like to feel better about yourself? Fourth, perhaps you should rethink your position about the environment. Even if we have enough for now, if we waste it, we are robbing our own descendents at some point of a good quality life. Mr. Anderson describes many cases of where despoilage of nature from overuse has been very expensive and undesirable by anyone's standard.He also cites many of the leading books on the benefits of an ecologically sustainable business world. In fact, this movement will become a disruptive technology by making those who waste unable to compete with those who do not.
Other comments from the video I watched on public tv:
Businesses exist to keep the customer happy.
You vote with your dollars.
Your dollars speak.
Another company thats doing it is Herman Miller:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Miller_(manufacturer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Miller_(manufacturer))
Herman Miller has engaged in a number of initiatives to promote sustainability (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainability), and many of them have had cost-saving implications for the company. The company has developed a technique of mixing sawdust with chicken (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken) manure to producetopsoil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topsoil). The company also uses a database (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database) to track every chemical in each product used by the company, in order to eliminate harmful chemicals from their products. Management of the company has expressed concerns about global warming (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming), and the company was using 27% renewable energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy) as of 2007. The company also issues a sustainability report.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Miller_(manufacturer)#cite_note-8)
Herman Miller's driving sustainability initiatives is its "Perfect Vision" goal. This is a broad initiative that sets significant targets for the year 2020. These targets include zero landfill, zero hazardous waste generation, zero air emissions (VOC), zero process water use, 100 percent green electrical energy use, company buildings constructed to a minimum LEED Silver certification, and 100 percent of sales from DfE-approved products.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Miller_(manufacturer)#cite_note-9)
Many of Herman Miller's products are designed to be ecologically sound, and many are good examples of ecodesign (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecodesign)techniques for achieving sustainability include saving materials, energy efficient manufacturing, recycled (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recycling) content, andrecyclable (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recycling) content, including design for disassembly. The design process also utilizes life cycle assessment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_cycle_assessment).
Herman Miller helped fund the start of the United States Green Building Council (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Green_Building_Council), and hired architect William McDonough (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McDonough) + Partners to design a factory incorporating green design (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_design) principles.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Miller_(manufacturer)#cite_note-10) The building is known as the Greenhouse and is an example of green building (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_building). The building won the following awards:AIA Committee on the Environment Top Ten Environmental Buildings, 1997
Business Week/Architectural Record Good Design Is Good Business Award, 1997
AIA Central Virginia Honor Award, 1998
International Development Research Council
Another link to Herman Miller. http://www.greenbiz.com/news/2007/06/21/herman-miller-bhag-and-internalizing-sustainability triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 27, 2015, 10:48:40 AM
"Other comments from the video I watched on public tv:
Businesses exist to keep the customer happy.
You vote with your dollars.
Your dollars speak."
Hey, triffid and all others reading this...
This was just in to the news media as of the posted time of this post:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/31/emergency-measures-fail-to-halt-chinas-stock-market-nosedive
Okay..........
I don't think it's going to go well for the Chinese 'from here on out', as it can sometimes be put. The whole world is beginning to feel the economic repercussions of these goings-on in the Chinese economy and stock market.
So I started this thread several years ago? I was---then and now---allowing these greedy schmucks sink in a flood of worthless money from their economy. It's just that the whole world's economies are interlinked and prone to wholesale deflation as a depression is looming---as it is, now.
I'm not giving the Chinese anything positive for what non-existent altruistic feelings they probably never had. The Communists can starve, and may just even do that in the future.
Good riddance, Nobody needs them; even they don't need themselves.
--Lee
@thebigm
QuoteI'm not giving the Chinese anything positive for what non-existent altruistic feelings they probably never had. The Communists can starve, and may just even do that in the future.[/font]Good riddance, Nobody needs them; even they don't need themselves.
Wow, that may be the most fucking ignorant statement I have ever actually heard... let them starve?. Thankfully we have democratic governments made of people much smarter than you which respect basic human rights to protect us from people like you because you my friend are a mental case.
You are everything that is wrong with this world, not corporations, not governments, not democracy nor communism, not consumerism. When you lose compassion, when you lose consideration for others then you are nothing more than an animal in my opinion because these traits are what defines us as intelligent beings.
I could say many things, things I might regret but know this that if we should ever come face to face and you spew this nonsensical BS it will not end well. We Canadians are very tolerant however we have limitations and you my friend are offside.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on July 31, 2015, 11:05:18 PM
@thebigm
Thankfully we have democratic governments made of people much smarter than you which respect basic human rights to protect us from people like you because you my friend are a mental case.
You are everything that is wrong with this world, not corporations, not governments, not democracy nor communism, not consumerism. When you lose compassion, when you lose consideration for others then you are nothing more than an animal in my opinion because these traits are what defines us as intelligent beings.
I could say many things, things I might regret but know this that if we should ever come face to face and you spew this nonsensical BS it will not end well. We Canadians are very tolerant however we have limitations and you my friend are offside.
AC
This is a timed computer, so I'll have to give you a response a piece at a time, but I'm not going to stop until I get to the end of all your strongly worded reply points.
If you want to engage in a sidebar conversation concurrently, that will slow me down, so I'll have to be more brief, and the effect of that may be to possibly be further misunderstood, by you or others.
Here it is, for starters:
"Wow, that may be the most fucking ignorant statement I have ever actually heard... let them starve?" Alright, I admit that was a 'blanket statement.' What I meant was the Chinese top tier of government. They're bastards. Do you have a local weekly newspaper that presents 'counterculture' material that's also investigative in it's method of reporting? I have available the
Epoch Times in S.F. They regularly expose the goings on of the Chinese Gov;t's misdeeds in detail. I
wasn't referring to the Chinese peasants because my Mom was related to them from the actually historical Huns. Was I insulting myself and my Mom from that one point of view only? No, I don't think so.
Repeated: The Chinese upper Party members are worthy of insult and
no one else in that allegation above. Follow me? Look, I have more to say and I get hot having to defend myself like this...but think of this: A have Asperger's syndrome and you're lucky not to have it.
Look. The. Description. Of. Asperger's. Up. On. The. 'Web. Yourself.
I was born with this condition and there's absolutely nothing I can do about it. Other Members who read this can do the same. It's a genetic condition I have to live with. I can be out of line verbally and not just in this Forum.
We all have our problems in life and Asperger's is one with me.
--Lee
You are everything that is wrong with this world, not corporations, not governments, not democracy nor communism, not consumerism. When you lose compassion, when you lose consideration for others then you are nothing more than an animal in my opinion because these traits are what defines us as intelligent beings.
Gee lee i am so glad your all that is bad in the world. ::)
Wait! you don't through people in prison because they complain or have the wrong religion.
your not playing brinkmanship over a few scraps of land.
your tanks did not crush protesters.
your doctors don't harvest organs for profit form unwilling convicts.
maybe your not such a bad guy. :)
fritznien
Quote from: fritznien on August 02, 2015, 02:50:25 PM
You are everything that is wrong with this world, not corporations, not governments, not democracy nor communism, not consumerism.
Are you being facetious?
Greed runs the world and I read somewhere awhile ago from a long-forgotten source: A religious text indicated, in writing, that,
"The world belongs to Satan." I would tend to agree.
QuoteWhen you lose compassion, when you lose consideration for others then you are nothing more than an animal in my opinion because these traits are what defines us as intelligent beings.
Everything changes in the world. People are born, grow up, grow old, and then pass away. Everyone. Why? No one is perfect? You, as well? When
you're born and then DON"T die, you can possibly set the example for others to follow. Until then, am I the scapegoat, here? Others do just as badly in experssing a negative opinion and then try to spin off criticism from others. I can give you 2 names, if you don't mind discussing it in front of those reading this thread.
QuoteGee lee i am so glad your all that is bad in the world. ::)
Thanks for this smiley face. I feel that way sometimes.
Quote
Wait! you don't through ("throw"} people in prison because they complain or have the wrong religion.
you'r"(e)" = "you're" not playing brinkmanship over a few scraps of land.
your tanks did not crush protesters.
your doctors don't harvest organs for profit form unwilling convicts.
I go to the V.A. hospital which is a teaching hospital ( :o ??? :-[ )<--I was trying to be facetious---and I do admit I can have a really offbeat sense of humor sometimes.
maybe your not such a bad guy. :) (I work in national defense as a preliminary R&D subject matter expert while working on engineering projects. Honestly. Do you think the forgoing text above was written by a moron, considering the reasonably advanced discourse being presented by myself?
Time's gone. No time to proofread this.
--Lee
"Are you being facetious?"
absolutely!
i was quoting the other guy, sorry i should shown the quotes.
you were accused of being the worst because you don't care about people who spill a lot of blood.
in my awkward way i was trying to point that out
was i too subtle?
all those thing you do not do are on the leadership of china, not that this is a complete list by a long shot.
fritznien
seems to be a lot of factors that can be blamed for economic troubles looming, and depending on who talks about it, different viewpoints begin to form. sometimes they become violent or loud and pushy demanding their views be seen as far more important than yours.
the politicians puts short lasting bandaids over the us debt in the form of asking for further loans from what it looks like.
this as alot of people know will result in having to pay the growing debt back, somehow.
nobody seems to like taxes that could chip away faster at the debt, so politicians try to make promises about not raising taxes if they can.
and then once new politicians get elected, they only add to the debt by pressing on trying to deliver on their election promises of this and that whatever it is they are seeking funding for to complete.
so the debt is now like a speeding car when before it was driving like it was in a school zone.
tommorrows another day, another week eventually, soon as the months go by, wow that debt sure seems to be turning into a mountain due to all that turning a blind eye.
things start costing more because while people might be making less, they now have to spend that much more on taxes, the rising costs of being able to eat store bought foods that are supposed to be better for you than the junk foods, even though those better foods are now containing stronger and stronger versions of pesticides that leads to the farmers becoming forced to work with genetically modified versions of what they used to grow.
and then theres those govt grants given to some farmers to not grow anything at all for a period.
things get more expensive with each given reason for allowing the above to continue.
some farmers end up walking away shaking their heads.
others are frustrated too but what can they do they say.
they are farmers, not clever lawyers who make appointments with the politicians to pass more midnight bills.
lawyers always make sure they have their hands just about first into the cookie jar, no cookies for anyone they say, until the lawyers get theirs.
laws continue to support these middlemen that aim at making a very very well paid living, and if you ask the lawyers, they feel they are doing the right thing do what they do.
as clever at playing courts like a competitive chess game as they are,
the real things that should matter are ultimately the reason that lawyers try to not change those laws that are so profitable to them and their clients in some cases.
costs keep rising. its a new day.
morning news says the debt is reaching record highs, and the weather will be overcast with chances of rain, now over to the traffic report followed by sports right after this word from our sponsors.
people rush around getting ready to join the growing tax paying rat race that is stuck in a traffic jam on their ways to work at mostly desk jobs and service based ones due to the evaporation of manufacturing due to the high costs of trying to make products that people can afford.
people end up shopping at walmart as a result.
and other places that now heavily import consumer goods.
perhaps they might sell more locally made products but there isn't as many as china and other countries are willing to make cheaply and ship to the land of the free.
quality goes down and is accepted as normal now.
or it ends up costing the sky.
so walmart it is.
dollar stores and other places that thrive from having low low prices.
where the lowest price is the law' said one stores slogan.
oh darn, more humbling natural disasters occur, there goes more wealth from the insurers pocketbooks, we better raise the rates accordingly they say as their excuse for doing so. after all they would not want to let down their investors!
healthcare, well if it remains free as it recently changed to while trying to adopt the canadian healthcare system,
more bandaids will be given out to replace surgeries, the level of whats acceptable in quality care slips a little compared to how it used to be
when it was ran by the wealthy health insurance corperations.
though at least this time a possible broken leg for a violinist on tour that would be alot more affordable to try and repair even for a starving artist that in the past would have become even more starving due to having their home taken away to pay for medical expenses.
while nobody ever wants injury or insult to occur to any violinists or other artists or anyone for that matter, that statement simply isn't entirely true.
it turns out there are some people who would aim to threaten or skip threats and just injure someone for whatever selfish sociopath rationalization they come up with, and so that leads to them getting caught and serving time in jail.
and the public covers those costs too built into the taxes.
take that and the prison industry that relies on alot of current laws to never change because as we all know, laws can be very profitable for their lobbiests. such as the drug enforcement administration as a whole.
while average police officers share some time with their families in the park on weekends having picnics, it sure aint no picnic for the prisoners who the police managed to find new homes in jail for something like, drug charges.
do those officers think about changing the laws by making a stand for whats morally right? heck that might mean having to resort to cheese slices rather than more expense blocks, and maybe even be subjected to less healthy foods on those weekend picnics and getaways.
ok this message is getting rather long fast and theres still alot further it could mention, but perhaps the above offers even just a few slices of the pie chart why a economic disaster could show up rather soon, in spite of the efforts to keep feeding the beast seems so cute while it was in the mall at the pet store before it was transported there by the with any luck, not from a puppy mill.
animal abuse is rampant, forced marrages of young teenagers and sometimes even younger than that, doctored to not appear as the mind numbing and emotionally damaging rape it really is , at home and abroad, the silence of certain technologies by being bought by older oil money that helped elect a ex president who upon being elected told everyones television set that god told him to run for office, and then shelved alot of really good ideas that could have vaulted medical research or helped step away from a carbon based global energy economy, even darker pictures than that, the list grows on, but those are much of the darker colors that todays artist is currently left to use on his canvas unless avoiding the underlying greed and manipulation that politics and sticking to painting happy nature scenes.
perhaps a better world soon, global effort before then.
all the best.
Quote from: fritznien on August 02, 2015, 06:00:54 PM
"Are you being facetious?"
absolutely!
i was quoting the other guy, sorry i should shown the quotes.
you were accused of being the worst because you don't care about people who spill a lot of blood.
in my awkward way i was trying to point that out
was i too subtle?
all those thing you do not do are on the leadership of china, not that this is a complete list by a long shot.
fritznien
Okay, I see now. AllCanadian was more strident than you, I believe. I really have a genetic condition that gives an advantage of about IQ >= 150, but at the cost of being polite or verbally intelligent and appropriate in public conversations. This is something I have no choice but to live with. Be happy if you don't have it.
I agree with your post, but for the subject of this thread, it isn't all Greece's doing. Look at this...
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/03/investing/puerto-rico-default/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/03/investing/puerto-rico-default/index.html)
Right.
"If it isn't one thing, it's another", as the saying goes.
Greece doesn't have to anything is there's Porto Rico(spelling?) to do the same thing." Spain, Iceland, and Ireland are only slightly better. My contention is still that the economy will fall apart, anyway. Can't be avoided. And China is the 'heavyweight champion' in this regard. The ruling "polit-bureau" doesn't care about anything but themselves.
--Lee
P.S.
Last minute addition...
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2015/08/03/greek-shares-tumble-as-market-reopens/?intcmp=hplnws
It appears to me that Greece isn't going anywhere but down in terms of quality of living and the other Europeans should be looking at them with some anxiety.
This just in at my library off the Web...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/10/state-emergency-issued-in-st-louis-mo/?intcmp=hplnws
That town is a powder keg with a fuse that's shorter and shorter. Look out.
--Lee
Stirring up trouble is very easy. Solving real problems is difficult. Let's hope that cooler heads prevail.
Hey the_big_m_in_ok, china is manipulating something in the economy to grow. I just watched this video the other day. That just seems a little off and manipulating something. Here's the video:
http://www.wimp.com/ghostcities/
I wonder what is happening there, some kind of new world order of somehow, lol?
Quote from: joel321 on August 11, 2015, 12:14:17 AM
Hey the_big_m_in_ok, china is manipulating something in the economy to grow. I just watched this video the other day. That just seems a little off and manipulating something. Here's the video:
http://www.wimp.com/ghostcities/ (http://www.wimp.com/ghostcities/)
I wonder what is happening there, some kind of new world order of somehow, lol?
China is building cities all over the world, even in the states. And they said the U.S.A. had a fake economy, lol.
Gravock
Quote from: fritznien on August 02, 2015, 02:50:25 PM
You are everything that is wrong with this world, not corporations, not governments, not democracy nor communism, not consumerism. When you lose compassion, when you lose consideration for others then you are nothing more than an animal in my opinion because these traits are what defines us as intelligent beings.
Gee lee i am so glad your all that is bad in the world. ::)
Wait! you don't through people in prison because they complain or have the wrong religion.
your not playing brinkmanship over a few scraps of land.
your tanks did not crush protesters.
your doctors don't harvest organs for profit form unwilling convicts.
maybe your not such a bad guy. :)
fritznien
in a good effort you make that seeks for a better world.
those are some thoughtful and well described examples you wrote worth considering to those interested in evolving past a darker part of history that still tries to repeat itself.
compassion is rather important.
China is devaluing its currency to make its exports 4 percent cheaper than they were.This is partly done because their economy is slowing down.Rather than let the market devalue their currency they (the leaders in china)are taking the bull by the horns and they hope to boost their own economy for a little while longer.triffid
In other news this article tells how meat may be grown in a lab and not on an animal
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/15/9149725/laboratory-meat
If this gets accepted, and you can do this in an efficient and animal-friendly and environmentally friendly way, it has to at some point take over the market," he says, "or at least create a new market for itself. We are not targeting vegetarians; we are targeting all the meat eaters."
The future beef industry might look a lot like the beer industry today
Quote from: joel321 on August 11, 2015, 12:14:17 AM
Hey the_big_m_in_ok, china is manipulating something in the economy to grow. I just watched this video the other day. That just seems a little off and manipulating something. Here's the video:
http://www.wimp.com/ghostcities/ (http://www.wimp.com/ghostcities/)
I wonder what is happening there, some kind of new world order of somehow, lol?
No, joel321, it's another stupid attempt to prop up their failing economy. The newest thing being...
Several stock exchanges around the world are being 'spooked' by what's happening in China. The American Dow-Jones exchange and the German DAX exchange are immediate examples. And think of these:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/stock-market-crisis-recap-chinese-6314181http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stock-up-on-canned-food-for-stock-market-crash-warns-former-gordon-brown-advisor-10469509.htmlhttp://qz.com/485912/charts-this-may-be-the-start-of-the-worlds-next-financial-crisis/I'm sure there are others like these, but I think the reader 'gets the message', as it were. The worldwide economy was overinflated by speculation---IMHO---and now it's correcting itself collectively to the disaster of the 'Mom and Pop' trader---especially in China.
"Look out." That was something I said on this thread, earlier, but at that time the whole world wasn't financially on a cliff's edge, either. Now, my quote to the immediate left is much more appropriate. This scenario might get "ugly", as others have said in the past.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 25, 2015, 02:31:28 PM
No, joel321, it's another stupid attempt to prop up their failing economy. The newest thing being...
Several stock exchanges around the world are being 'spooked' by what's happening in China. The American Dow-Jones exchange and the German DAX exchange are immediate examples. And think of these:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/stock-market-crisis-recap-chinese-6314181
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stock-up-on-canned-food-for-stock-market-crash-warns-former-gordon-brown-advisor-10469509.html
http://qz.com/485912/charts-this-may-be-the-start-of-the-worlds-next-financial-crisis/
I'm sure there are others like these, but I think the reader 'gets the message', as it were. The worldwide economy was overinflated by speculation---IMHO---and now it's correcting itself collectively to the disaster of the 'Mom and Pop' trader---especially in China.
"Look out." That was something I said on this thread, earlier, but at that time the whole world wasn't financially on a cliff's edge, either. Now, my quote to the immediate left is much more appropriate. This scenario might get "ugly", as others have said in the past.
--Lee
As the Saudis spend down reserves instead of pumping fresh cash into investment vehicles, inflated vehicles are going to fall. This is made worse by the Chinese devaluating in order to retain market share. The thing to be concerned about is what the big banks have done in terms of derivative investments. If a series of derivatives go bad then the too big to fail banks will screw everyone over again.
Quote from: MarkE on August 25, 2015, 02:42:33 PM
As the Saudis spend down reserves instead of pumping fresh cash into investment vehicles, inflated vehicles are going to fall. This is made worse by the Chinese devaluating in order to retain market share. The thing to be concerned about is what the big banks have done in terms of derivative investments. If a series of derivatives go bad then the too big to fail banks will screw everyone over again.
This just in, MarkE...
http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/aug/25/asian-stock-markets-braced-for-steep-falls-after-wall-street-slump-live (http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/aug/25/asian-stock-markets-braced-for-steep-falls-after-wall-street-slump-live)
Will be back shortly...
Right. Back again, so I'll try and give my opinion clearly:
The American and British markets are rebounding adequately, as of now. The Chinese and other Asian markets are generally weaker as to individual national economies compared to the West---with Japan being a notable exception.
The future of the Asians in general is noticeably less favorable than ours, for example. Now, the thing I think to be aware of is: Our economy is still tied to the Asian economies to some extent. If they land hard at the bottom of a very high cliff, that eventuality alone can cause some harm to the American economy, beginning with the Western States first---especially in Calif. I live in San Francisco, so this concerns me more that it might others.
I read the rest of the article and will stand by what the rest of this post says: the American and European markets look OK as of the present. The Chinese and Asian markets look much weaker---in the farther future---for certain. China is holding useless properties, for instance.
As to the derivatives, you're correct as to the nature of your observation. They were largely non-regulated as to anything that's salable to the average person. Student loans, mortgage payments and something like penny stocks can be made into a derivative. By themselves they're not worth hardly anything. If they start failing, they would cause some investor to lose his portfolio in a hurry. As you may have implied, they're something to seriously watch. I read awhile ago, derivatives were worth a quadrillion $,
at that time. Whoa.
See what I mean? Their failure in terms of worth are exceeding serious to the American Stock Exchange and foreign markets that trade in them.
This just seen by me:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wall-street-set-to-rebound-after-massive-selloff-futures-rally-3-2015-08-25 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wall-street-set-to-rebound-after-massive-selloff-futures-rally-3-2015-08-25) Market traders and the like are unconvinced that the rally will continue, since they appear to be implying that the underlying, basic American economy isn't as strong as they would like to see.
Latest:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/25/investing/bear-markets/index.html?section=money_topstories
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/14/investing/china-fears-stock-market/index.html?iid=EL I'll see what's happening tomorrow after the Chinese stock market(s) close and the sun rises in Calif.
--Lee
Quote from: MarkE on August 10, 2015, 10:56:53 PM
Stirring up trouble is very easy. Solving real problems is difficult. Let's hope that cooler heads prevail.
A Ferguson judge voided 10,000 arrest warrants (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/25/us/ferguson-announces-an-amnesty-on-warrants.html?_r=0) in a city with a population of little more than 20,000. If you leave out the elderly and the very young, then this means nearly 100% of the population that falls between the elderly and the very young in Ferguson has been given false and bogus citations by law enforcement. The 10,000 arrest warrants voided didn't include state charges. Now, who are the cooler heads in which you speak of? Solving real problems are easy, once the real problems are recognized and dealt with. However, I don't see law enforcement and the authorities solving the problems in which they themselves promoted and created. MarkE, you're just one big epic fail after another! You once again have it completely backwards and upside down.
Defendants will get new court dates, according to the order, and may be put on installment plans to pay off their fines or ordered to perform community service instead. <----- The authorities are stealing from the entire community and having those who can't pay to work as a slave for the corrupted system.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 26, 2015, 11:15:34 AM
...snip 1st paragraph
..."Defendants will get new court dates, according to the order, and may be put on installment plans to pay off their fines or ordered to perform community service instead. <----- The authorities are stealing from the entire community and having those who can't pay to work as a slave for the corrupted system."
Gravock
Guys, take a look at this:
http://www.infowars.com/it-is-time-to-kick-prepping-into-overdrive-because-this-stock-market-crash-is-just-the-beginning/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stock-up-on-canned-food-for-stock-market-crash-warns-former-gordon-brown-advisor-10469509.html
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin870.htm
I took a further look at additional headlined articles and found more of the same: The Chinese pushed themselves off 'the cliff' and they'll drag others near them financially as well.
I, for one, am taking the analysts' advice, as of next Tuesday when I get paid and pay my bills. Since I'm on a small, fixed income, that's all that I can do for now, in that regard.
On the other hand, I collect imitation, replica versions of Samurai swords. Some of these come out of the shipping box that are very sharp to nearly razor sharp. Anyone in San Francisco who's over 18 yrs. old can own one to simply go to a specialized shop that carries them or else order one online. Legally they're about the same a long, narrow machete. However, in Calif., they may be illegal to drop-ship a sword through the mail. Check with your local law enforcement officials to be sure.
Out of time on this computer. Will continue looking at the news stations for the time being.
--Lee
Quote from: gravityblock on August 26, 2015, 11:15:34 AM
A Ferguson judge voided 10,000 arrest warrants (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/25/us/ferguson-announces-an-amnesty-on-warrants.html?_r=0) in a city with a population of little more than 20,000. If you leave out the elderly and the very young, then this means nearly 100% of the population that falls between the elderly and the very young in Ferguson has been given false and bogus citations by law enforcement. The 10,000 arrest warrants voided didn't include state charges. Now, who are the cooler heads in which you speak of? Solving real problems are easy, once the real problems are recognized and dealt with. However, I don't see law enforcement and the authorities solving the problems in which they themselves promoted and created. MarkE, you're just one big epic fail after another! You once again have it completely backwards and upside down.
Defendants will get new court dates, according to the order, and may be put on installment plans to pay off their fines or ordered to perform community service instead. <----- The authorities are stealing from the entire community and having those who can't pay to work as a slave for the corrupted system.
Gravock
arrest warrants, 10k people, how many of those lived in ferguson?
the good thing is the judge threw out the warrants. some laws do need to be removed, and others need to be rewritten to make better sense with society and stop being cash grabs. the police are supposed to be there for serving the public first, themselves 2nd.
are the state charges directly related to the events in ferguson?
why are you painting mark into a corner?
do you not find any of his comments practical, even if you do not agree with them or maybe understand them?
even if someone is wrong about something sometimes and everyone here sometimes is, the questions asked
if something is not understood, are usually important.
the best answers are the most easy to understand, less cryptic responses whenever possible.
with a flood of puzzling deception common in these waters that is not always intentional, filters help make the koolaid less toxic.
anyone expecting others to easily accept a concept needs to allow for a level playing field,
not everyone is able to just believe, or willing to just believe, without being shown proof and how that
proof validated itself for the presenter.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 26, 2015, 01:55:38 PM
Guys, take a look at this:
http://www.infowars.com/it-is-time-to-kick-prepping-into-overdrive-because-this-stock-market-crash-is-just-the-beginning/ (http://www.infowars.com/it-is-time-to-kick-prepping-into-overdrive-because-this-stock-market-crash-is-just-the-beginning/)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stock-up-on-canned-food-for-stock-market-crash-warns-former-gordon-brown-advisor-10469509.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stock-up-on-canned-food-for-stock-market-crash-warns-former-gordon-brown-advisor-10469509.html)
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin870.htm (http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin870.htm)
I took a further look at additional headlined articles and found more of the same: The Chinese pushed themselves off 'the cliff' and they'll drag others near them financially as well.
I, for one, am taking the analysts' advice, as of next Tuesday when I get paid and pay my bills. Since I'm on a small, fixed income, that's all that I can do for now, in that regard.
On the other hand, I collect imitation, replica versions of Samurai swords. Some of these come out of the shipping box that are very sharp to nearly razor sharp. Anyone in San Francisco who's over 18 yrs. old can own one to simply go to a specialized shop that carries them or else order one online. Legally they're about the same a long, narrow machete. However, in Calif., they may be illegal to drop-ship a sword through the mail. Check with your local law enforcement officials to be sure.
Out of time on this computer. Will continue looking at the news stations for the time being.
--Lee
Yes, the entire world is headed towards a complete meltdown.
Gravock
Quote from: SoManyWires on August 26, 2015, 02:39:32 PM
arrest warrants, 10k people, how many of those lived in ferguson?
How many people who lived or worked in Ferguson received more than 1 citation or had more than 1 arrest warrant? It wouldn't surprise me if the total number of arrest warrants exceeded Ferguson's entire population of 20,000.
Quote from: SoManyWires on August 26, 2015, 02:39:32 PM
the good thing is the judge threw out the warrants. some laws do need to be removed, and others need to be rewritten to make better sense with society and stop being cash grabs. the police are supposed to be there for serving the public first, themselves 2nd. are the state charges directly related to the events in ferguson?
The judge only threw out the warrants related to the civil infractions, but not the civil infractions. The warrants were in regards to failure to appear, failure to pay, etc. I have no idea how many people in Ferguson has state charges against them. The state charges were in reference to both before and after the events in Ferguson. Let's hope the state hasn't followed the city's example.
Quote from: SoManyWires on August 26, 2015, 02:39:32 PM
why are you painting mark into a corner? do you not find any of his comments practical, even if you do not agree with them or maybe understand them? even if someone is wrong about something sometimes and everyone here sometimes is, the questions asked if something is not understood, are usually important.
I didn't paint MarkE (Mark Euthanasius) into a corner. He has painted himself into a corner. No, I do not find any of his comments practical due to his misleading and deceptive nature.
Quote from: SoManyWires on August 26, 2015, 02:39:32 PM
the best answers are the most easy to understand, less cryptic responses whenever possible.
with a flood of puzzling deception common in these waters that is not always intentional, filters help make the koolaid less toxic.
anyone expecting others to easily accept a concept needs to allow for a level playing field,
not everyone is able to just believe, or willing to just believe, without being shown proof and how that
proof validated itself for the presenter.
MarkE's deception is intentional, and the record shows this time and time again. Denying what is right before your own eyes, regardless of the amount of evidence presented, is just being willfully ignorant. If you want to align yourself with the willfully ignorant, then fine by me. Each to their own.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 26, 2015, 03:04:37 PM
Yes, the entire world is headed towards a complete meltdown.
Gravock
Below are approximately 1250 pdf's, complete books, pamflets, manuals, and tips regarding survival and off-the-grid living.
Urbansurvivalsite.com.zip (http://thepythoniccow.us/armageddon_prepping_survival/urbansurvivalsite.com.zip)
Paleoprepping_com.zip (http://thepythoniccow.us/armageddon_prepping_survival/paleoprepping_com.zip)
Armageddononline_org.zip (http://thepythoniccow.us/armageddon_prepping_survival/armageddononline_org.zip)
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on August 26, 2015, 03:44:45 PM
Below are approximately 1250 pdf's, complete books, pamflets, manuals, and tips regarding survival and off-the-grid living.
Urbansurvivalsite.com.zip (http://thepythoniccow.us/armageddon_prepping_survival/urbansurvivalsite.com.zip)
Paleoprepping_com.zip (http://thepythoniccow.us/armageddon_prepping_survival/paleoprepping_com.zip)
Armageddononline_org.zip (http://thepythoniccow.us/armageddon_prepping_survival/armageddononline_org.zip)
Gravock
gravityblock may have a point with the sites listed above.
This article was just found by me:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/25/investing/stocks-markets-china-turnaround-tuesday/index.html
If it isn't China, it's also the Dow-Jones as well. 2008 may be revisited in spades because there's more money being lost now, compared to then. Whatever you can think of to help possible losses in income. housing, and well-being for yourself should be tried if you think it's necessary.
I'll be looking more at the news articles, but I actually have an exit plan in place that's peculiar to me, but it should work if I need it. Things will probably get worse before they get better. A cliche', if there was one, but it'll have be what I deal with now.
--Lee
p.s.
The web address above does actually load and run if I invoke it with a mouse click.
The stock markets are rebounding now.China's economy is slowing down to a mere 7% and just like the USA in 2000 and 2001. The chinese middle class has lost half their savings in their recent stock market crash. Those who panic and sold, locked in their losses.triffid
Now Ukraine is looking more and more like Greece with the debt issues they are having.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 27, 2015, 05:47:21 PM
I'll be looking more at the news articles, but I actually have an exit plan in place that's peculiar to me, but it should work if I need it. Things will probably get worse before they get better. A cliche', if there was one, but it'll have be what I deal with now.
--Lee
No end in sight...
http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/600843/Stock-market-crisis-FTSE-100-sinks-AGAIN-to-lose-25billion-as-China-panic-continues
--Lee
QuoteI see an economic diasater coming...
Me too and I see a civil war in France and UK maybe all around in Europe. I think Al Qaida will destroy HV transformers in substations. It's easy to do. Need only 100 terrorists for destroy Paris or London with suburbs. Imagine the stock echange and the tourrism in France or in UK. Need 6 months for build one HV transformer. There is only one factury in France (JST Lyon). Difficult to transport, need a special truck that runs very slowly. Imagine the Europe without electricity for one or 2 years. And the best is the nuclear plants with their pools that contain a great quantity of radioactive materials. Al Qaida can thanks scientists and politicians !
English:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R42795.pdf
French link:
http://echelledejacob.blogspot.com/2014/09/talon-dachille.html
Quote from: EOW on August 30, 2015, 05:45:26 AM
Me too and I see a civil war in France and UK maybe all around in Europe.
I agree. In a related 'Web article...
http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/sep/01/stock-markets-fall-weak-chinese-factory-data-business-live (http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/sep/01/stock-markets-fall-weak-chinese-factory-data-business-live)
So, what you said in the rest of your post (snipped by me) is possible. When people are starving they'll resort to whatever it takes to survive. Depressions in America and Europe have shown that.
My newest article above highlights the continuing financial problems worldwide. This isn't over with a happy outcome, however one might look at the overall situation. The Chinese have some very hard times ahead for them, along with the rest of the world, if they can't get their heavy-handed financial measures to finally do some good and mitigate the crisis they may have started awhile ago.
No matter what is done, if anyone can get away from present difficulties, they may only be postponing the final collapse of their economy---as I may have implied all along.
I said it before and repeat it now: We're headed for a 1930's-style depression, beginning shortly, that will affect every last person in the money market style of financial culture, worldwide.
That's the best of it. The worst might include bloodshed in city streets, worldwide, that also can involve whosoever lives in cities.
--Lee
p.s.
Just found by me on the 'Web:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/stocks-plunge-again-on-renewed-worries-about-china-fed/ar-AAdONjd?ocid=LENDHP
This is getting out of
anyone's hand to try and stop the decline! If this goes on for a couple more weeks, the European/American economies will (figuratively go down the toilet...
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 01, 2015, 02:46:05 PM
No matter what is done, if anyone can get away from present difficulties, they may only be postponing the final collapse of their economy---as I may have implied all along.
Yes, both China and the U.S. has been propping up their markets. It's just a matter of time before they can no longer be successful in doing this. They're just allowing the bubble to get larger for a much bigger bang and collapse.
Gravock
Quote from: gravityblock on September 02, 2015, 10:55:26 PM
Yes, both China and the U.S. has been propping up their markets. It's just a matter of time before they can no longer be successful in doing this. They're just allowing the bubble to get larger for a much bigger bang and collapse.
Gravock
they can and will increase inflation, while asking tax payers to pay at greater amounts.
they can try to raise the retirement age, and they probably will.
they can try to create medical research breakthroughs that enhance a persons longevity, and they probably will.
besides, its not just for the active senior who wants to remain active, its mostly to help cover expenses from the
misdirected investment of some pension fund managers, and the reliance of those funds remaining intact, hopefully.
alot can contribute to creating debt.
and interest rates will do nothing to slow it down, other than to try and convince borrowers to avoid needing to.
when a debt gets to the point it creates its own orbit as it sort of has, thats when its time to stop wasting more of it.
the debt could be wiped clean using a percentage of the wealthiest of persons collective money.
it may not seem that is there intent to pay it off to cover the costs of what lead up to creating the debt,
though something was mentioned about a inheritance tax at a EU summit meeting.
if that were to be used upon only the most wealthy and left the middle and lower classes exempt,
the quality of life for everyone would go up.
though the highest of upper class does seem to appreciate its distinction more than its lesser present conscience.
ideally the poor would be given a better quality of life change the soonest, at least until things even out.
their desperation leads to alot of unneeded suffering directed towards the higher classes,
and even their closest neighbors.
that might even help them not to want to overpopulate (having 10 kids in hopes 2.5 will survive though trying to raise 10 kids could collapse their own basic needs supply inventory) in their own global regions as they try to ensure some lineage, that has been granted to them previously by religious and patriotic rights of passage.
what happens when technology gets to the point that human manual and some management labor is no longer required?
are we supposed to maintain a structure based on planned obsolsence?
does adaptability become written into design like the usb port?
does competition continue to aim to remain proprietary?
what a mountain of junk, some of it is recyclable.
Quote from: SoManyWires on September 03, 2015, 02:24:41 AM
they can and will increase inflation, while asking tax payers to pay at greater amounts.
they can try to raise the retirement age, and they probably will.
they can try to create medical research breakthroughs that enhance a persons longevity, and they probably will.
besides, its not just for the active senior who wants to remain active, its mostly to help cover expenses from the
misdirected investment of some pension fund managers, and the reliance of those funds remaining intact, hopefully.
alot can contribute to creating debt.
and interest rates will do nothing to slow it down, other than to try and convince borrowers to avoid needing to.
when a debt gets to the point it creates its own orbit as it sort of has, thats when its time to stop wasting more of it.
the debt could be wiped clean using a percentage of the wealthiest of persons collective money.
it may not seem that is there intent to pay it off to cover the costs of what lead up to creating the debt,
though something was mentioned about a inheritance tax at a EU summit meeting.
if that were to be used upon only the most wealthy and left the middle and lower classes exempt,
the quality of life for everyone would go up.
though the highest of upper class does seem to appreciate its distinction more than its lesser present conscience.
ideally the poor would be given a better quality of life change the soonest, at least until things even out.
their desperation leads to alot of unneeded suffering directed towards the higher classes,
and even their closest neighbors.
that might even help them not to want to overpopulate (having 10 kids in hopes 2.5 will survive though trying to raise 10 kids could collapse their own basic needs supply inventory) in their own global regions as they try to ensure some lineage, that has been granted to them previously by religious and patriotic rights of passage.
what happens when technology gets to the point that human manual and some management labor is no longer required?
are we supposed to maintain a structure based on planned obsolsence?
does adaptability become written into design like the usb port?
does competition continue to aim to remain proprietary?
what a mountain of junk, some of it is recyclable.
I'm just going to post this as potential reference material as well as look at the posted material above, later...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-08/china-just-killed-the-world-s-biggest-stock-index-futures-market
Oh. BTW, something vague tells me that the Chinese are 'painting themselves into a corner' with their actions aas of late.
--Lee
--Lee
A new human species has been added to our family tree.Imagine what their world was like two to three million years ago. http://www.theage.com.au/world/fossils-found-in-african-cave-are-new-species-of-human-kin-say-scientists-20150910-gjjzvj.html (http://www.theage.com.au/world/fossils-found-in-african-cave-are-new-species-of-human-kin-say-scientists-20150910-gjjzvj.html)
The age of the fossils will be difficult to determine, Berger says, because they were not fused into rock, which can be dated, and they wanted to wait to do radiocarbon dating until they knew more about what they had. What he did say, with confidence, was that H. naledi "comes near or at the root of the genus Homo", in excess of 2.5 million years ago.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-11/these-millennials-are-socking-away-15-of-their-salary?cmpid=yhoo (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-11/these-millennials-are-socking-away-15-of-their-salary?cmpid=yhoo) Good for them! triffid
He or she is an ordinary human, 18 to 34, who saves at least 15 percent of his or her salary each year in a 401(k) retirement savings plan. The mission: Save enough to retire comfortably. Or at least retire.
An analysis by Fidelity Investments of the 13 million participants in 401(k) plans it administers found close to 421,000 of these young "super savers," as Fidelity calls them, accounting for almost 20 percent of the millennial savers in Fidelity's database. They save an average of 11 percent of their salaries; the other 4 percent comes from a company match. The overall average millennial contribution rate is 6.6 percent, which rises to 11 percent with the company match.
Quote from: triffid on September 11, 2015, 01:00:59 PM
A new human species has been added to our family tree.Imagine what their world was like two to three million years ago. http://www.theage.com.au/world/fossils-found-in-african-cave-are-new-species-of-human-kin-say-scientists-20150910-gjjzvj.html (http://www.theage.com.au/world/fossils-found-in-african-cave-are-new-species-of-human-kin-say-scientists-20150910-gjjzvj.html)
I told my religious sister and brother-in-law, who was sitting next to her, "The Evolutionists and Creationists are both wrong. I wasn't exactly as they both say; it was partly both: creation of a new life form and then a long period of slow evolution.
The thing is...
I know what was in my mind at the time and it's the same now. I can't easily, verbally, describe how it was done thousands of generations ago, and my problem still exists to this day. Being a shamanistic-oriented Native American affords me an unusual 'vantage point' from which I can discern the truth, but that the average American has no way of knowing what I say is true unless he or she experiences the truth on their own.
No basis of communication on a 'playing field' that's not level through no one's fault.
Some of my problem, I believe, occurs regularly on this thread the same way. I was given information that was not given to others, and my job function in creative engineering has some validity to me in this case. I need to think differently than most people to get the job done. My associates and supervisors know this and are 'okay' with it.
That's about all I can tell you and still be fairly coherent at the same time. I hope. Will return later when I have more time.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 13, 2015, 07:27:38 PM
Will return later when I have more time.
--Lee
This was on the Internet Sept. 14...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11858952/BIS-fears-emerging-market-maelstrom-as-Fed-tightens.html
Okay, it looks like to me that whatever is done to correct/mitigate the monetary crisis, essentially worldwide---especially in the future---will either have no positive effect, or will worsen their attempted actions.
I may of said on this thread in the past---and I say it now for sure:
There isn't any good outcome in this scenario, unless some worldwide gov'ts in general make moneysaving efforts that, in a way, actually, force themselves into an economic depression by their on doing. The stock market(s) crashing and the debt load as well, are an effective 'one-two' punch that cannot be avoided. It happened in the Thirties, and now it's worse because, I was told, there's a whole lot more money involved this time.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 14, 2015, 05:24:20 PM
This was on the Internet Sept. 14...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11858952/BIS-fears-emerging-market-maelstrom-as-Fed-tightens.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11858952/BIS-fears-emerging-market-maelstrom-as-Fed-tightens.html)
Okay, it looks like to me that whatever is done to correct/mitigate the monetary crisis, essentially worldwide---especially in the future---will either have no positive effect, or will worsen their attempted actions.
There's something more in the way of a prediction:
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article52357.html
Okay, I was looking for something 'concrete' in the way of clarity to upload here, and this is about it, above. Another article I was a few days ago also said that this stock market is doing the same things as others, just in a lot bigger way, with a lot more money.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 20, 2015, 04:05:28 PM
There's something more in the way of a prediction:
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article52357.html
Okay, I was looking for something 'concrete' in the way of clarity to upload here, and this is about it, above. Another article I was a few days ago also said that this stock market is doing the same things as others, just in a lot bigger way, with a lot more money.
Fresh news from Greece's economy, as its failing in more than one measurement category:
http://www.theguardian.com/business/blog/live/2015/aug/03/greece-debt-crisis-athens-stock-exchange-opens-live#block-55bf16c1e4b05f8cd958117d
The article, cited above, is from August, but everyone who follows the worldwide economic market news would know their (Greece's) economy isn't mush better since then, if at all improved. China's stock market continues to fall, every time they open it up for business:
http://fortune.com/2015/07/07/china-market-greece-debt/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/07/us-china-markets-idUSKCN0PH08Q20150707
And now, this is coming down the road in the future:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34013510
The slowdown in China can trigger similar effects in surrounding countries, as wall. The future in general doesn't give me any hope for overall improvement in the Eastern Hemisphere for some time to come.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 27, 2015, 06:39:44 PM
The future in general doesn't give me any hope for overall improvement in the Eastern Hemisphere for some time to come.
--Lee
Almost out of time on this computer, but there was an Internet article whose headline was, effect, The Russians were expanding bombing raids in the Middle East.
Worst thing they coulf do!
Lee,I think the russians are just trying to appear more important than they are.Of course innocent people will be killed in the process.triffid
They also appear to have a vested interest in seeing Assad not fall for some reason.
On another note I read an article recently, can't find it now, that said the earth has about 15 years of fresh water left before 40 % of its population starts to find fresh water hard to find. I can see all kinds of economic problems and more if that is the case. We might be able to do without fossil fuels for a while and eventually get other alternatives but it's a little more difficult to go without water. Desalinization will be big business. Our tap water isn't very drinkable already :o
This isn't the specific article I saw but this one doesn't sound good either.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/16/new-nasa-studies-show-how-the-world-is-running-out-of-water/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/06/16/new-nasa-studies-show-how-the-world-is-running-out-of-water/)
I have been reading a couple of books lately on taxes imposed by different nations.It seems that since the 1970's a lot of countries have lowered their tax rates thus triggering a mass migration of American companies overseas.Now Donald Trumps proposed tax plan would serve to bring some of them back.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/09/29/trumps-tax-plan-and-his-claim-that-its-going-to-cost-me-a-fortune/ Corporate tax would be 15 percent and top personal tax would be 25 percent.Until our leaders change our current tax laws America jobs will continue to go overseas.Smart money will always seek the lowest taxes.triffid
Hi triffid,
Glad you're back.
Look at this,everyone...
http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/pablo-soria-de-lachica-predicts-impact-of-china-crisis-on-world-economy-2064068.htm
I agree with the basic message of the article. (Read....look out for a long fall and possibly a hard landing.)
--Lee
Hey guys, here's another article...
http://www.jordantimes.com/opinion/harold-james/globalised-crisis
Right; so now...
I've been saying: this thread I started was going to present a scenario that would come about eventually (Namely: collapse of the world's modern financial markets, just that I didn't know when, exactly.
More later......
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on October 18, 2015, 07:15:48 PM
Hey guys, here's another article...
http://www.jordantimes.com/opinion/harold-james/globalised-crisis (http://www.jordantimes.com/opinion/harold-james/globalised-crisis)
Right; so now...
I've been saying: this thread I started was going to present a scenario that would come about eventually (Namely: collapse of the world's modern financial markets, just that I didn't know when, exactly.
More later......
Guys...
On this thread's subject of impending financial chaos, the local police in San Francisco don't bother to arrest people sleeping under bridges or setting up sidewalk businesses ---expressly illegal for both activities in this city---[/size][size=78%]that sell 'flea market' types of items.[/size]
[size=78%] The Great Recession put those people on the streets and they're still there struggling to live.[/size]
[size=78%]More and More people are setting up tents under bridges,and next to parking lots, in order to survive as best they can.[/size]
[size=78%] What's the point of this posting? I smart person should be able to read these words and then go out into any good-sized city and see the same thing I've described in this thread.[/size]
Most people aren't concerned by the drastic unemployment issues with the poor and homeless around the country. The subject of this thread still has validation: It'll all stop in terms easy living and it's still only a matter of time.
--Lee
p.s.
The smaller letters aren't written on purpose by me, as they appear on this computer's text editor. They started on their own. The outward presentation, as I read it after I post this, is that the letters are
sized=78% I usually take a mental warning when I see these, and think, "The Man' is following what is written on this 'Web site.' " Just my opinion.
--Lee
[size=78%] [/size]
I think more inflation is on its way here in the USA.No one is held accountable for it generally.
Quote from: triffid on November 13, 2015, 12:39:36 PM
I think more inflation is on its way here in the USA.No one is held accountable for it generally.
As I said, it's worse than that---just beware of ISIS---that's just all.
--Lee
LATER REEDIT:This is another factor, possibly amongst others, that should also be considered...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-24/greece-can-no-longer-withstand-waves-desperate-people-arriving-war-zones
The disaster which is coming is certain (http://survivetheenddays.com/nipvr_i1_t/) and it
will go beyond things "economic."
It may occur much sooner than we have thought
as well. In somewhat more than one more year
we'll find out.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on November 28, 2015, 06:53:54 PM
The disaster which is coming is certain (http://survivetheenddays.com/nipvr_i1_t/) and it
will go beyond things "economic."
It may occur much sooner than we have thought
as well. In somewhat more than one more year
we'll find out.
that entire page read like the mumblings of someone who might dine on homemade trichotillo using a pressure cooker.
the good thing in all that murder and mayhem is that the author did manage to lower the price of his marketed product much lower to 39 dollars.
Aye, the last part of the page is heavy on sales
lingo. I focus on the portion of the page dealing
with the possible explanation of prophecy. In view
of present world conditions and trends it is very
clear that we are indeed nearing the final days...
We'd like to think that it is many years in the future
but, then again, maybe it is much closer than we
are prepared to deal with.
Last night on the news I saw these numbers.In 1971 61% of the USA population were considered "Middle Class".Today in 2015 only 50% are what we call "Middle Class".Middle class incomes nowadays range from $46,000 to $126,000 per year.triffid
I'm reading another Book"Insurance Ripoffs and Dirty Tricks"by Harold F. Willard c.c.1987.
Its intended to expose the cheating done by many insurance companies.The book devotes a third of itself to other reference books written to expose the dirty tricks of the old insurance game.He does not say all insurance companies are crooked but tries to say what the bad boys use in order to get your business.
Talks too about the truth of being an" insurance salesmen".Most careers last only about three months.Just long enough to make the three or four sales to your trusted friends to make it pay to them(the insurance companies).For all the time and energy they spent in training you.From day one they expect you to fail.I mention this here because I nearly fell for it back in the 1980s(becoming an insurance salesmen).I did not take the job.triffid
triffid,
It happening again. Chinese market fell about 6,000 points in an hour.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/15/investing/china-stock-market-regulator/
Right. They never learn!
This'll likely continue 'til they have no stock "market".
--Lee
OUCH!!!!It could happen here too!triffid
http://www.stockgumshoe.com/2015/08/microblog-james-dale-davidson-the-age-of-deception/ He predicts 50%drop in stocks,40% drop in home values,30% drop in savings as dollar loses value.
6 months to a year in 2016.
Quote from: triffid on December 16, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
OUCH!!!!It could happen here too!triffid
I'll say. Take a look at this, just in...
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-peaking-megabubbles-signal-impending-stock-crash-2014-05-08
Uh Huh. Especially, look at the first three(3) paragraphs immediately above the the picture of Fed Reserve member Janet Yellin. #5 & 6 are particularly telling. Speculation is seen as the culprit---by me. History most certainly repeats itself.
--Lee
p.s.
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James Dale Davidson predicted correctly the last three crisis s with 1-2 years of accurate timing.
Already on public tv they are saying that an era of cheap money is over with.When the feds raised the rate in Dec.2015.If companies start to default on their loans their stocks will lose value.triffid
You know those guys in the oil patch are getting laid off too.tens of thousands of them.I used to be one. 1978 to 1979.Never again.triffid
Quote from: triffid on December 28, 2015, 10:50:49 AM
You know those guys in the oil patch are getting laid off too.tens of thousands of them.I used to be one. 1978 to 1979.Never again.triffid
Hey, triffid...
I'm frequently amazed at the number of vagrants sleeping in the subway stations here in S.F.
TOO many to put in jail. Mostly men, too. Well, the end is coming.
A psychic I know predicted that a very large earthquake in (Southern)(?) Japan, will cause a tsunami to hit the American West Coast. Good thing I don't live right on the coast. It'll be bigger than the last one, though. She didn't quite know the exact day, however.
Well, I'll write later, then...
--Lee
Hey, everyone...
this is another example of the end is coming...
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13407258/2/china-faces-2016-crisis-as-bad-as-u-s-mortgage-meltdown.html
...as well as...
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13350457/1/emerging-market-prophet-predicts-china-s-economy-will-break-down.html
When I started this thread, some people didn't take it seriously. Their words 'echo' silence, now.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 29, 2015, 02:28:39 PM
Hey, everyone...
this is another example of the end is coming...
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13407258/2/china-faces-2016-crisis-as-bad-as-u-s-mortgage-meltdown.html (http://www.thestreet.com/story/13407258/2/china-faces-2016-crisis-as-bad-as-u-s-mortgage-meltdown.html)
...as well as...
Odd. This sources immediately above was really only temporary, as in a sidelined news blurb. Disregard this immediately above.
Quote
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13350457/1/emerging-market-prophet-predicts-china-s-economy-will-break-down.html (http://www.thestreet.com/story/13350457/1/emerging-market-prophet-predicts-china-s-economy-will-break-down.html)
When I started this thread, some people didn't take it seriously. Their words 'echo' silence, now.
However, this second one still works. You'll have to be content with it.
--Lee
p.s.
This is also another weak indication in the overall worldwide economy...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/01/drop-in-oil-prices-rocks-producer-states-triggers-historic-tax-hike-plan-in-alaska.html?intcmp=hplnws (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/01/drop-in-oil-prices-rocks-producer-states-triggers-historic-tax-hike-plan-in-alaska.html?intcmp=hplnws)
I sure hope it stays where it is now.
p.p.s.
triffid,
I think you still live in the St. Louis area; were you flooded out, yet? Hope not, more rain may come.
No I was not flooded out.Not even the 1993 flood reached me.I live on a hill.Fortunate too that none of my family here were flooded.We were cut off for a couple of days on highway 55 and 44.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/05/health/young-blood-mice-aging/index.html older mice getting younger attached to a younger mice.It may be the breakthrough.triffid
Quote from: triffid on January 07, 2016, 09:59:15 AM
No I was not flooded out.Not even the 1993 flood reached me.I live on a hill.Fortunate too that none of my family here were flooded.We were cut off for a couple of days on highway 55 and 44
triffid,
Did you see the American and Chinese stock markets both 'tank' by losing a $trillion on Wall St., alone?!?!
That's no little piece of pocket change. AND it could continue indefinitely. People thought (some?) that when I started this thread, I was a 'chicken little' windbag who didn't have the truth? What about now?
A new 'recession' could be around the corner and it'll be bad if it actually comes when oil reaches $15-$18/barrel. The Saudis are shaking about the possibility, I'm sure. No more yachts. No more business jets. Too much fuel burned to be worth the value, I'll bet.
--Lee
Hey, guys...
Here's more stock news of an increasingly dire nature:
http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/632920/Why-is-China-s-stock-market-falling-crisis-facts-financial-markets
Right. You know, I haven't heard any of my past critics lately. When they learned of what I really knew and for whom I actually worked, they shut up and possibly went off to pick on someone else.
About the Chinese 'fiasco' with their stock market? I expect it to become a "cancer" on the Chinese economy. If they're anything, the Chinese CCP is stupidly demanding and greedy, as well.
I'd bet they get what's coming to them.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 10, 2016, 07:17:18 PM
Hey, guys...
Here's more stock news of an increasingly dire nature:
http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/632920/Why-is-China-s-stock-market-falling-crisis-facts-financial-markets
Okay, the news just keeps coming and it's also bad...
http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/investor-george-soros-says-the-world-could-be-heading-towards-a-financial-crisis-similar-to-the-2008-gfc/news-story/d4e5cc0a52246d0429db0b9299ab7c12
As bad as 2008, or worse.
More news on GDF-11 protein which may be a breakthrough in the aging process.
be sure to read the readers posts.http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/72988-gdf11-group-buy/
triffid
one reader posted:
Registered User 766 posts
Posted 22 August 2014 - 05:43 PM
Teamtlr seems to sell a lot of small molecule compounds appealing to enthusiasts. They don't look anything like a serious scientific vendor. I doubt they produce any of their own compounds.
GDF11 is a complex protein, which can only be produced using recombinant DNA manipulation with a fermentation system, and then quite sophisticated purification. There's no way that this company would have the capability of doing this. They would certainly be outsourcing it to someone.
If you want to get something which you are going to inject into your body, I would really recommend going with a very established manufacturer and vendor of similar compounds. There are all sorts of risks involved, from the simple ones of injecting live bacteria to the more subtle ones of getting too much endotoxin or other toxins.
Besides the risk that they won't supply the correct protein, or that they will supply the correct polypeptide with the wrong tertiary structure, there is also the risk that what they supply could prove life-threatening because of contamination, impurities, endotoxins, etc.
These risks are minimized if you purchase from real scientific suppliers who are already providing the same compound to research labs. Purchasing something this complex from anyone else is a roll of the dice with your own life.
Bad news on the horizon for housing! http://finance.yahoo.com/news/housing-crisis-may-derail-middle-145855168.html triffid. Mr James Dale Davidson saw a housing crisis coming.Now others are seeing it too!
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/housing-crisis-may-derail-middle-145855168.html
We also need federal support for low-income lending; at the moment in 2008 when home prices plummeted, the government essentially outlawed private lending to the working class without adequately funding public programs to fill the gap. The result was nearly a decade of profiteering from cash investors who bought distressed properties for pennies on the dollar, then rented them at above-market rates to folks who couldn't qualify for a mortgage.
The problem is housing.
When we talk about a city's cost of living, we don't mean food, transportation or clothing, which cost about the same everywhere. We mean housing.
We need a government policy all-out in favor of more, denser housing.
Housing is in short supply. For the 40 years prior to 2008, ground was broken on an average of nearly 1.6 million housing units per year. Starts over the past seven years averaged 788,000; even in 2015, a boom year, starts were only 1.1 million.
What happened to the laws of supply and demand? From 2010 to 2013, home prices were 56 percent higher than construction costs, an increase from the 1990s when home prices were 33 percent higher than construction costs; most economists attribute this increase to zoning laws (https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/page/files/20151120_barriers_shared_growth_land_use_regulation_and_economic_rents.pdf) designed to preserve a city's character and to protect home prices.
In Seattle, there are 40 percent fewer homes on the market than just a year ago.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 07, 2016, 08:27:44 PM
triffid,
Did you see the American and Chinese stock markets both 'tank' by losing a $trillion on Wall St., alone?!?!
That's no little piece of pocket change. AND it could continue indefinitely. People thought (some?) that when I started this thread, I was a 'chicken little' windbag who didn't have the truth? What about now?
I returned to this Reply, quoted above, for this reason:
http://www.infowars.com/the-financial-crisis-of-2016-rolls-on-china-oil-copper-and-junk-bonds-all-continue-to-crash/
This's been going on for almost a week, that I know of.
All right, now: My reason for starting this thread should be more plainly obvious now. Challenge: Is there a registered Member on the forum that has contrary issues concerning the subject of this thread? I don't mind discussing/debating at this late date. All I have to to is wait for a few more days and
then see what going on with the Chinese. I expect more of the same.
Right now, I'm in a rent-free living situation where the doors are always locked and there are military veterans around; some of whom were combat trained---even on an elite level. I've already said---I believe---get at least a sizable knife and make sure it's sharp.
At. The. Very. Least.
In California where I live, it's possible that anyone over 18 years old can buy and own a Samurai sword(replica). The same goes for actual, real swords, but they usually start at $5,000 for a common example from Japan. Real swords are hard to come by for the average American, but replica swords can be available at knife/gun shops or commercial expositions/shows.
Just my 2 cents-going-on-$2.00's-worth. You can decide how you want to take this and what to do about it, if you want to.
Your move.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 13, 2016, 09:10:29 PM
Just my 2 cents-going-on-$2.00's-worth. You can decide how you want to take this and what to do about it, if you want to.
Your move.
Here it is, from the thread title...only one or two days old:
http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/632506/China-financial-crisis-2008-economic-crash-repeat-George-Soros?utm_source=traffic.outbrain&utm_medium=traffic.outbrain&utm_term=traffic.outbrain&utm_content=traffic.outbrain&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain
Okay, right. My immediately previous posted Reply still stands, obviously. You at least know what I think. It's your decision if you want to take what's said in the articles above seriously or not.
Just trying to help.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 14, 2016, 07:40:46 PM
Okay, right. My immediately previous posted Reply still stands, obviously. You at least know what I think. It's your decision if you want to take what's said in the articles above seriously or not.
Just trying to help.
--Lee
This is a long article, but the last sentence says it all.
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1453129889.php
Most recessions have a small rise after an initial selloff that turns into a BAD subsequent selloff that, like, falls off a cliff. This Great Recession should be the dilly that people never forget.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 18, 2016, 11:45:02 PM
This is a long article, but the last sentence says it all.
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1453129889.php (http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1453129889.php)
Most recessions have a small rise after an initial selloff that turns into a BAD subsequent selloff that, like, falls off a cliff. This Great Recession should be the dilly that people never forget.
--Lee
YET another sign...
http://moneymorning.com/2016/01/19/another-major-china-stock-market-crash-warning-sign-was-just-revealed/
I'm as ready as I can get.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 19, 2016, 10:27:53 PM
YET another sign...
http://moneymorning.com/2016/01/19/another-major-china-stock-market-crash-warning-sign-was-just-revealed/
I'm as ready as I can get.
--Lee
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1453129889.php
Am I the only one looking at these kinds of articles?
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 20, 2016, 07:08:29 PM
Am I the only one looking at these kinds of articles?
No. Some of us see the writing on the wall.
Here's a head start for those that haven't yet begun their journey down the rabbit hole:
http://republicbroadcasting.org/
http://trendsresearch.com/
Zerohedge is my source for financial gloom and doom
Quote from: Nink on January 20, 2016, 08:00:49 PM
Zerohedge is my source for financial gloom and doom
Yeah, good. This is actually from Zero Hedge:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-20/tom-demark-today-interim-low-followed-5-8-rebound-then-another-selloff-china-fall-fu
Alright, now.
I might have said, instead, "Does anyone else share my warnings or take them seriously?"
I can see now that I'm just more demonstrative about what I think on this subject, is about all. I should try and remember that there are individuals and small groups out there that are looking at the news and are quietly "preparing for the worst".
However, some readers are simply tech-oriented electronics enthusiasts, not necessarily paramilitary revolutionaries. I'm not anxious to be in a new civil war, but the economy, IMHO, will fall apart financially in due course. When that happens, as this thread predicts, people will need to do something more than lock the doos and hope for the best. The sh1t can "hit the fan", so to speak.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 20, 2016, 11:59:59 PM
Yeah, good. This is actually from Zero Hedge:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-20/tom-demark-today-interim-low-followed-5-8-rebound-then-another-selloff-china-fall-fu
So, at first the analysts said the American stock market would fall by 50%, now they say 80% (?)
http://thesovereigninvestor.com/exclusives/80-stock-market-crash-to-strike-in-2016/?z=451509
We'll see in the endgame.
--Lee
triffid, and anyone else:
After seeing many buildings going up in San Francisco, I wonder if anyone else living in a large U.S.---or foreign--city is seeing the same thing? Here, the accepted reason is the there's a 'tech boom' in the South Bay area towards San Jose. More tech workers are supposed to be flocking to "The City" (S.F.), and these new buildings are mainly condos that the new arrivals with LOTS of tech boom money would be alleged to buy.
So, triffid, is the same thing happening in, say, St. Louis?
Anywhere else in the U.S.?
This looks a lot like the Chinese who building phantom office buildings and apartment buildings for nonexistent workers that they're trying to convince everyone else in the world that do exist?
Opinion anyone?
--Lee
P.S.
My years-long opinion poll at the top of Pg. 1, indicates the pessimistic people who voted that the economy will 'worsen' in the future is at 51.8% as of 1/22/16. It's never been as high as 52% as long as I've been looking at it. If it does go that high, it'll take several more people to vote negative on the economy. I would have always been right in my prediction. And, I WAS the one whose opinion came out as having voted with the bold letters in the output list. (That's the reason it's bold. My personal vote is registered---or indicated---as bold.)
--Lee
http://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/1903736/china-markets-live-hong-kong-and-china-stocks-close-sharply
Okay. This scenario is like a lot of past stock market 'corrections/nosedives/crashes, etc'. The market falls, stabilizes briefly, and/or, rises some, but not a lot, and then falls drastically again to a new low. The thing analysts are asking themselves is, "Will the Chinese market crater and start another worldwide recession?"
Right. Good question. I've predicted all along in this thread it wold happen, and some Members have questioned me in the past: "When?"
Another fair question. Nobody likes unpleasant surprises.
BUT, the thing that's coming over the horizon is out of China's 'hands': That's the falling price of worldwide oil. AND, Iran is about to full many, many tankers offshore in the Strait of Hormuz as I write. The Chinese can't stop that and the Iranians may decide to buy more weapons and then aim them at Israel. They can if they choose to do so.
This scenario isn't going away soon. Even if it does, and pre-crisis conditions return to normal, there's always another financial calamity lurking over another horizon. It's only a matter of time before the whole "shebang" comes crashing down.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 24, 2016, 07:57:30 PM
...(snip)
This scenario isn't going away soon. Even if it does, and pre-crisis conditions return to normal, there's always another financial calamity lurking over another horizon. It's only a matter of time before the whole "shebang" comes crashing down.
http://www.profitconfidential.com/stock-market/stock-market-crash-is-a-dire-warning-for-americans-everywhere/
This one above is about as plain as it can get. Other people in foreign countries---like China;
especially China---started some of this downward scenario, but the American stock market and just about all others worldwide as well, are in for a
very big "correction".
Right. They (commercial traders) wanted to play 'bank' with money, and they eventually lost control of it when other people around themselves and/or foreign Gov't's wanted to play as well and then change to rules (financial laws) to suit themselves.
Money should merely be a medium of monetary exchange, not to treat it like a commodity. Gold is a physical element, but the commercial price placed upon it is not. Anyone who tries to use greed to get what they want will eventually get resistance in the form of competition for survival if the one's
desire to survive is great enough. This drama will continue to unfold into the future, and we'll all see who comes out 'on top'.
--Lee
wow! a lot of traffic here lately.If you panic and sell your stocks you lock in your losses but if you hold on you may still loseeeee.Parts of China is now beginning to look like Detroit,Mich with closed factories and smog.I would bet money on Mr.James Dale Robertson being right.Wages are also going up in China!!!Whats an Overseas company to do????triffid
http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/639990/Market-mayhem-returns-amid-fears-over-China-and-oil
This is a continuation of the present crisis. No end in sight as I look at the general situation. The American Stock Market would possible be affected shortly or eventually. Financial analysts predict a low-down floor for the final low reading in the future market total. It's bad if that's true.
--Lee
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-ceos-unleash-recession-fears-190343269.html US ceos see a recession coming in 2016.
Quote from: triffid on February 02, 2016, 03:02:25 PM
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-ceos-unleash-recession-fears-190343269.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-ceos-unleash-recession-fears-190343269.html) US ceos see a recession coming in 2016.
Hey, triffid...
You're correct, and here's the latest:
http://www.profitconfidential.com/economy/warning-this-chart-shows-a-chinese-economic-crash-is-coming-soon/ (http://www.profitconfidential.com/economy/warning-this-chart-shows-a-chinese-economic-crash-is-coming-soon/)
Yep, the Chinese Communists usually lie about how their economy is really doing, so this article above says the opposite and should be more accurate. The Chinese have lasted longer than I thought they would. They're in for the infamous 'rude awakening', so to speak.
--Lee
p.s.
The poll at the beginning of this thread is sitting at a total of 52% of the poll participants as believing the economy will do worse in the future. That's the highest is been in several years. It looks like a record to me. Finally, people are---I hope!---waking up and realizing the economy can turn into a NEW Great Recession, going on a NEW Great Depression.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-prices-being-driven-down-024652531.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-prices-being-driven-down-024652531.html) Oil prices driven down and being held down---through servicing debt!triffid
But, as Dow notes, since these producers need to pay back their bondholders, who have more senior claims on the company's assets and production than equity holders, companies continue pumping oil to get whatever price they can to bring in whatever cash possible to pay back creditors.
A recent report out from Jaime Caruana at the Bank for International Settlements (http://www.businessinsider.com/bis-lecture-on-oil-prices-production-and-high-debt-2016-2) looked at the relationship between debt and oil companies, finding that oil and gas company bonds outstanding rose from $455 billion in 2006 to $1.4 trillion in 2014 while syndicated loans to the sector increased from $600 billion to $1.6 trillion over the same period.
Quote from: triffid on February 09, 2016, 11:25:23 AM
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-prices-being-driven-down-024652531.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-prices-being-driven-down-024652531.html) Oil prices driven down and being held down---through servicing debt!triffid
But, as Dow notes, since these producers need to pay back their bondholders, who have more senior claims on the company's assets and production than equity holders, companies continue pumping oil to get whatever price they can to bring in whatever cash possible to pay back creditors.
A recent report out from Jaime Caruana at the Bank for International Settlements (http://www.businessinsider.com/bis-lecture-on-oil-prices-production-and-high-debt-2016-2) looked at the relationship between debt and oil companies, finding that oil and gas company bonds outstanding rose from $455 billion in 2006 to $1.4 trillion in 2014 while syndicated loans to the sector increased from $600 billion to $1.6 trillion over the same period.
triffid,
http://www.profitconfidential.com/stock-market/stock-market-crash-strategist-has-dire-warning-for-u-s-stocks/
I'll be back in due course. Something's going on now for me.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on February 10, 2016, 07:53:52 PM
triffid,
http://www.profitconfidential.com/stock-market/stock-market-crash-strategist-has-dire-warning-for-u-s-stocks/
I'll be back in due course. Something's going on now for me.
--Lee
triffid and all others,
Think about this: Information has come to me by a discrete source that by the end of Feb., China probably will have spent all the credit assets they bought during the credit bubble they created and when that happens, they won't be able to sustain the value of their currency, the -'renmimbi'(or a similar name).
Right, so now: Their stock market will crash in a HIGHLY sensational way, and when it does, they'll drag down the other Asian stocks and the American Stock Exchange, as well. This is the disaster I predicted at the absolute start of this thread. BAD, BAD, BAD. It'll occur in about 18-25 days from the date of this post. I myself have an exit plan, so I'm not too worried, but be advised that social unrest is a distinct possibility in large cities, especially.
All you can do is get through it as best as you can. The whole world will be affected possibly except the American mountain men living in the Rockies and woods of the Western states and the native ethnic groups living in the frontiers of the Brazilian Amazon and, say, the SE Asian jungles. Those who DON'T depend on money or civilized services in cities will get by if they stay in the wilderness where they are now.
That's what I have as of now. I hope it's enough to give you more info. than you had before. The Members of this research tech site, as well as the viewing public should be above-average intelligently thinking individuals, or they wouldn't be here posting and at least reading these posts regularly.
Do the best you can. The monetary 'status quo' can't continue for much longer. About $1-2 quadrillion dollars will have been borrowed and/or spent by now. Nobody can live more than a million years to try and pay it off with interest. Impossible.
Try and think of how to survive instead. That about all the smart person can do at this point in time.
Good luck and 'mazel tov',
--Lee
p.s.
When I started this thread, a few Members said they didn't believe what I was writing. Do they say anything now? Where are they? I'd be glad to quote articles from national Internet investment journals that anyone can research for themselves. If you don't believe me now, then wait and see what happens. The money was borrowed by the Americans and others and the Chinese Stock Market is doing what I predict it will, when it will.
If I'm wrong I'll look stupid and I'LL ADMIT IT. But, I don't think I'm wrong about my survival, in particular.
We all may need as much good luck as we can come by in the near future. I WISH it wasn't going to happen, but it probably will, according to my source.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on February 11, 2016, 12:43:41 PM
(snip)
We all may need as much good luck as we can come by in the near future. I WISH it wasn't going to happen, but it probably will, according to my source.
This was out today---12/2/16...
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/55088-why-the-japanese-stock-market-crash-is-a-huge-deal (http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/55088-why-the-japanese-stock-market-crash-is-a-huge-deal)
He said the exact same thing I did immediately above. I think I'll be looking at the Japanese stock market more closely in the future.
--Lee
The signs have been around since 2008 and QE1 2 and 3 have kept the issue at bay. Algo's have been baby sitting the markets ever since and they are programmed for optimum return on investment. The plunge protection team filling in the gaps by continually buying the dip. Paper gold has been used as a revenue source with derivatives driving the paper to physical gold ratio up over the 70 to 1 mark (although others would state much higher at 542 paper claims to every ounce of gold http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-26/comex-snaps-gold-dilution-hits-record-542-oz-gold-claims-every-ounce-physical )
That said we will soon see a quick break away from paper to physical. The run on physical metal is high at the moment with line ups at the bank to convert. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-11/lines-around-block-buy-gold-london-banks-placing-unusually-large-orders-physical
The challenge with this is we all see money as the paper stuff we pass around but really the illusion only works as long as everyone continues to participate. This goes for the stock market, bonds futures everything. When that participation ends and we look for something more substantial all we are left with physical assets. Gold Land Water Oil Minerals Crops..... and of course human labor. But when everyone is in debt for paper assets that are no longer of value we are left to work for these assets at what ever rate the new market demands.
The only alternatives are
1) A global Currency reset: We all agree to cash in a our measly money and debt to a larger body (Think Euro but on a grander scale Amero's SRD's etc spring to mind)
2) Cannon Fodder: War has been the usual method of sorting out debts. Currently they are being held by proxy in Syria Iraq Lebanon etc in attempts for land and resource grabs but at some point the puppet countries running the games need to move from behind the curtain.
I am not sure how this will end but I would advise 1)buy phsysical gold, 2)Own assets 3) Get some bitcoin 4)Get out of debt (or have a method of servicing the debt without income) and 5) Stockpile enough for 12 months food water power and 6) ?????????????
@Lee and all disaster believers:
Lee started to predict all sorts of disasters in September 2009 (the birth of this thread). Since 2009 all non-believers have lived well and sound and this will go on for some time. So, disregarding doomsday predictions has paid huge dividends since 2009. Preparing for a doomsday in the last six years would have cost a lot of money, discomfort and grief (if you have some money and if you live comfortably in a nice home, which you have had to give up for some hard living in the wilderness).
Predicting doom is always right, because everybody dies and old people die even sooner. If you are over sixty, your personal doom is not so far of. 50% of all people a re dead before they reach 75 and then the curve is very steep (meaning 85% are dead before reaching 80).
Looking back at history, every social system collapsed pretty soon, none reached a 100 years of stability. So, it is clear that our economic and money system is going to fade away. But history also teaches us, that almost nothing happens over night. All change is a process over many years. If you happen to life in a future war zone, your personal change will be fast, but many people even survive that.
If you look at what happened to Jewish people in Austria from 1939 to 1945, one sees that many people with money could escape and people without money almost all had to stay. There was a huge percentage who did not believe that something bad will happen to them. What does this teach us? First, if you have money, you can react and may be more than 50% will not react. If you have no money, you can not react even if you wanted to.
It depends very much where you are if disaster strikes. In a big city, you will die easier than on the country side. But you might catch a plane or a train out of a big city in time. On the country side your mobility is more or less restricted to cars, which is not fast enough to save you (because there will be many obstacles like lack of fuel and traffic congestions).
The only way to do something right now would be to build a sturdy stone house in a remote area and to have there the means to do a little farming. But you have to move there right now, otherwise you will not be prepared in time (farming is bound to seasons). And if nothing happens in the next five years (which still has a high probability), you have lived for nothing in the lonely and harsh wilderness.
Many people think that hoarding supplies, gold and weapons will help them. But all this will be taken away from you immediately once social unrest begins. How many hungry people does it take to overcome you even if you have a machine gun nest?
The real big killer in times of unrest is lack of medical treatment. Many illnesses and even modest accidents will kill you if the pharmacy and the hospital are not functioning any more. Can you have a medical team stored away some place?
In the 1970ies it was fashionable to build a bunker room into your basement. At this time I did some research into the "survival issue". Since then I have given up on doing anything specific. I am just mentally prepared to act on the moment once something happens in my area.
In short: if you do something, it will be expensive and harsh and most likely in vain.
So, do nothing and act once bad things happen in your neighbourhood. If it is only economic hardship, just forget your losses, you can not take anything with you when you die.
If unrest starts, I will join the best organised group which can convince me that it can pull off a credible fight for power in the area where I live.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: conradelektro on February 12, 2016, 01:33:52 PM
So, do nothing and act once bad things happen in your neighbourhood. If it is only economic hardship, just forget your losses, you can not take anything with you when you die.
If unrest starts, I will join the best organised group which can convince me that it can pull off a credible fight for power in the area where I live.
Greetings, Conrad
You are right I was an idiot for selling all my stocks and buying physical gold back in September. Keep me in the loop on how your do nothing strategy is working out.
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/reports/RWR/blackoctober/credential/?ccode=&em=&sc=DIANO&ec=6809157&dv=MAM
can Washington really go broke? check out the link above.
triffid
Edelson points out that, when Greece defaulted on its debts on June 30, 2015, its total debt was 1.5 times larger than the total value of all goods and services produced by its economy. Or, as an economist would put it, "Greece's 'debt to GDP ratio' stood at 177%."
But today, Portugal's debt-to-GDP ratio is 130.2% ... Italy's is 132.1% ... Spain's is 97.7% ... and France's is 95% — and those debts are growing at an alarming rate.
Tokyo's is 233% — 42 times higher than the debt that caused Greece to go broke — and it, too, is still growing by leaps and bounds.
Most alarming: America's official national debt plus Washington's off-budget obligations now stand at $117 trillion. That gives the U.S.A. a total debt to GDP ratio of 101%: 330 times greater than the debt that broke the back of the Greek economy.
"These debts are patently unpayable," says Edelson. "That means they cannot, will not ever be repaid. That means default is inevitable."
Quote from: Nink on February 12, 2016, 01:46:22 PM
You are right I was an idiot for selling all my stocks and buying physical gold back in September. Keep me in the loop on how your do nothing strategy is working out.
Only time will tell, if you were right to go into gold. There will always be a time when gold is good to have, but there always will be a time when gold is down or downright dangerous to own.
So, it is all a question of the situation you are in. Statistically speaking, the times when gold is a good thing to have are rare.
If there is social unrest, please do not show a single peace of gold, because you will be followed and tortured to death till you give up the rest of your gold. If you have it in a bank, it will be lost anyway because the bank will be bankrupt and all its contents will be in the hand of someone who will not give you your gold. So, gold in hard times is a liability which will kill you.
There might come a time when gold is very expensive and you could sell it with profit. But what will you buy? Real estate and stock will probably be risky in times when gold is very valuable. So, you can not really win, only in exceptionally rare cases.
In short, the only really valuable thing in hard times is a functioning farm in a safe area. But will there be a safe area and will you be physically able to farm? Do you want to live on a farm from now on? Because you have to do that now in order to be ready. It is a huge effort in money, labour and time to set up a functioning farm and to keep it functioning. Even for people with considerable money that is mostly not feasible.
The best advise I heard: to prepare for hard times make sure to repay all monetary debts. At least nobody can demand anything from you in case of disaster. You may be able to hold on to your house, which helps a lot. But you might be forced to leave your house, in which case you could just forget the mortgage. So, even that advice might not help. I would say, that repaying your debt is a good way of acting if we are heading for moderately bad times. You could pull through a temporary low of the economy. I personally always avoided debt, just because I do not like to pay interest. But I lived in the good times and everything was relatively easy.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: triffid on February 12, 2016, 01:53:31 PM
can Washington really go broke?
Only a weak state can go broke. A strong state just prints new money.
If the money system breaks down, there will be a new political area with new and different political leaders. And if you look at history, new political leaders always printed their own new money.
Yes fortunes will be lost, but only monetary values (bank accounts and financial papers like stock and bonds and all the rest). But real estate and functioning enterprises which provide needed services and produce needed goods will go on. You have to realise that money is a fiction. But besides this fiction there are real things and the real things do not disappear in case of a money catastrophe. The real things might change hands, but they mostly stay on (unless they are destroyed by war).
Yes, the money system like we know it now for sure will break down. But there will be a new political class which will print new money. Real political power does not go bankrupt, it creates its own fictional money.
You are right, the political power that rules today in Washington or Europe or Japan is at the end of its life span and will be replaced in the coming years (and with it our current money system dies). Nobody knowns when and how that will happen, chances are that there will be another big war, which always was the big solution in history.
What can you do? Well, practically nothing, just wait and see and decide when it happens. Whatever you plan now will be wrong. There are no reliable prophets or prophesies. Survival in hard times is mostly ruled by chance. It helps to be young, beautiful, strong and clever. But that it is also true for good times.
And if you are old? Well, you had your time, stop lamenting you will die anyway.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: Nink on February 12, 2016, 01:12:26 PM
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I am not sure how this will end but I would advise
1)buy phsysical gold,
I was told earlier in this thread that gold can't be eaten, since a silver dollar can't be eaten, either. Money is a medium of exchange, only. Making it a commodity like cereal grains that are physical,---they're a commodity---will eventually be impossible to control. Just like the worldwide stock markets. That's usury and it's a sure way to go broke---eventually.
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2)Own assets
Food that's preserved is fine. Guns---
that work---
and---
enough!---ammo---
that works---will also be valuable in a barter economy. They're a commodity as long as greed doesn't get in the way and prices one 'out of the market'?
3) Get some bitcoin 4)Get out of debt (or have a method of servicing the debt without income) and 5) Stockpile enough for 12 months food water power and 6) ??? ??? ??? ??? ?
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on February 12, 2016, 07:58:40 PM
I was told earlier in this thread that gold can't be eaten, since a silver dollar can't be eaten, either. Money is a medium of exchange, only. Making it a commodity like cereal grains that are physical,---they're a commodity---will eventually be impossible to control. Just like the worldwide stock markets. That's usury and it's a sure way to go broke---eventually.
Food that's preserved is fine. Guns---that work---and---enough!---ammo---that works---will also be valuable in a barter economy. They're a commodity as long as greed doesn't get in the way and prices one 'out of the market'?
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3) Get some bitcoin
Same as the one immediately above, ultimately.
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4)Get out of debt (or have a method of servicing the debt without income)
Money can make one a slave to it because it can take paying off a debt 10-25+ times as long when money is devalued that much. I had an older relative who lived through the Great Depression and that's what he said. Having no debt is fine, but not everyone has the money available quickly ENOUGH to take advantage of the idea.
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and 5) Stockpile enough for 12 months food water power
Okay, I admit I've done that my way. A have a place I can go and there's some bad-@ss dudes around to make sure me and they're not messed with. I did it and I suggest you do something like it, too.
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and 6) ??? ??? ??? ??? ?
Time almost out on this computer. #'s 1-5 can speak for themselves. Luck is also something INTANGIBLE, but I admit I'm an IRISH Jew, and luck does mean something personal to me. It might or might not be that for you. Make up for it somehow if you think you need to. It's all up to you.
If I have time tomorrow, I may say more.
--Lee
Bitcoin is a little different. It is a very secure portable asset that I can store a passcode in my head and piece of paper in my pocket. If I have to I can email it to anyone but without both the private key and passcode no government agency can seize it and no one else can spend it.
Quote from: Nink on February 12, 2016, 08:41:51 PM
Bitcoin is a little different. It is a very secure portable asset that I can store a passcode in my head and piece of paper in my pocket. If I have to I can email it to anyone but without both the private key and passcode no government agency can seize it and no one else can spend it.
Getting late in Calif. where I live, but I'd say that I was 'railed against' by a couple others on this Overunity Site Forum, when I started this thread, for essentially ignoring a certain aspect of possible reality that they maintained staple commodities were a WHOLE lot more useful as survival barter items because they can survive awhile if they're preserved and, say, MRE's(
Meals
Ready to
Eat"). Dry goods are another source of useful items by barter.
Money coins and bills can't be eaten. I didn't like being disagreed with at first, but at least that argument is valid, as far as it goes As long as staple commodities exist, one can barter for something you really want.
As long as they last. After they're gone, you've got nothing left unless more are personally found or made artificially. I agree with this premise.
But, when the modern countries in the 1st and 2nd world societies, lose money markets in a collapse, they have nothing physical to compensate or replace them with. Also(?), when this happens, starvation can occur on a large scale in bigger cities because people in large cities don't know how to live off the land like rural residents can be capable of.
(The "back to nature" movement was big in the past I recall when I was younger, say, in the 60s and 70s)
Okay, now, with the bitcoin, it's dependant on a properly functioning computer, right? It's inedible as a source of nutrition. That's what I'm getting at as this self-admitted 'long-winded' discourse with some more information added was just written. HOWEVER, even commodities like wheat and corn need to be grown under minimum conditions where vegetable life is possible. Canned foods have a definite shelf life and can't be used forever unless enough technology is preserved to generate more commodities through mechanized plant manufacturing. Without electrical power, that won't happen. Same with enough raw materials in sufficient quantities. No way without sufficiently advanced technology.
If power generators quit running, the country might return to the early- to mid-19th Century(?) I think. The Industrial Revolution began in the 1850's or some time before. Inventions from genius' like Edison and Tesla gave the modern world their benefits of inventions to advance the quality of living for ordinary people.
Humanity can survive with enough 'backwoods men' to replace those who starve, suffer disease, accidents or war casualties. If this country falls to the technology level of the mid- or early-19th or 20th Century, that would help more people who can't survive in the wilderness. However, I don't know exactly how bad it'll get because of human free will. People can do what they want and it's their responsibility to overcome karma they make, if they actually make it.
All I can do is live with the state of San Francisco as the future unfolds. I do actually have a personally motivated exit plan. It's what I can do with the potential condition that could exist. As I may have said, luck is something I've benefitted from in the past. It's a factor that's part of what I'll need to live with in the future.
--Lee
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/inside-the-market/market-updates/european-asian-markets-jump-on-china-stimulus-hopes/article28759425/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/inside-the-market/market-updates/european-asian-markets-jump-on-china-stimulus-hopes/article28759425/)
triffid and all others,
Allow me to be the first to say I might have to already said, stock crashes/recessions/depressions start out bad and then rebound to some extent before they REALLY fall badly. The Asian stocks are doing this now. Many are up to some extent.
Okay, I see this. BUT the main elements of the Chinese economy are still weak. They've been like that for a couple of months. AND, the iranians are pumping oil again after restrictions were lifted by Pres. Obama. And also----American oil---especially from shale oil, is near or at maximum possible.
It'[size=78%]s only a matter of time before the stock "rout" continues as it did. The Chinese demand control and "control freaks" like them usually get stiff resistance from others whether they want it or not.[/size]
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[size=78%]I'm quitting now. This small text came on without my doing it. Somebody is playing a stupid GAME and I'm tired of it. I'm NOT wearing my reading glasses. This is a lot harder to write. I quit! This sucks![/size]
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p.s.
This isn't as bad as I thought. The letters are regular sized, and the beginning and enging notification comes out in regular size. It's fairly easy to read.
I was watching the news last night on TV and they said that within five years in the USA(if no changes are made) ,there will be 42% unemployment with the young people.Thats 2021!triffid
Today Japan is 70% forest. Some 300 years ago they were on the verge of losing their wooded areas.But they made changes to their lifestyles to replant their wooded areas.Not easy maybe but doable.Long Island State is 49% forest(I was there in the 1990s to see this).With NYC nearby they early on saw the need for wild places.We can change whats happening to places like New Orleans,La.It takes lots of money and a congress that's ready to lead in the areas of reconstruction of our coastal cities.Otherwise NYC and other coastal cities will suffer the same fate as new Orleans after katrina.Dead with millions of rusting cars littered everwhere.Hardly a happy event!triffid
Last night on public tv I heard that our congress is controlled by the top 0ne percent,corporations, and wall street.
Because of this the average mans concerns is pushed aside and ignored.Better chose wisely in the next election!
triffid
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on February 16, 2016, 02:16:54 AM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/inside-the-market/market-updates/european-asian-markets-jump-on-china-stimulus-hopes/article28759425/ (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/inside-the-market/market-updates/european-asian-markets-jump-on-china-stimulus-hopes/article28759425/)
triffid and all others,
Allow me to be the first to say I might have to already said, stock crashes/recessions/depressions start out bad and then rebound to some extent before they REALLY fall badly. The Asian stocks are doing this now. Many are up to some extent.
Okay, I see this. BUT the main elements of the Chinese economy are still weak. They've been like that for a couple of months. AND, the Iranians are pumping oil again after restrictions were lifted by Pres. Obama. And also----American oil---especially from shale oil, is near or at maximum possible.
It's only a matter of time before the stock "rout" continues as it did. The Chinese demand control and "control freaks" like them usually get stiff resistance from others whether they want it or not.
I'm quitting now. This small text came on without my doing it. Somebody is playing a stupid GAME and I'm tired of it. I'm NOT wearing my reading glasses. This is a lot harder to write. I quit! This sucks!
--Lee
p.s.
This isn't as bad as I thought. The letters are regular sized, and the beginning and ending notification comes out in regular size. It's fairly easy to read.
p.p.s.
I tried to get rid of the "size=78%" nonsense. I guess it. worked. Maybe. For now.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on February 26, 2016, 05:36:31 PM
It's only a matter of time before the stock "rout" continues as it did. The Chinese demand control and "control freaks" like them usually get stiff resistance from others whether they want it or not.
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It's not just the stock markets in Asia...
Take a look at this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/03/07/debt-crisis-bis_n_9399834.html
Right. That should be plain enough to be evident to a lot of people. Borrow beyond your financial means in income, and the 'bills will come due. eventually. In the state of N. Carolina, by their state law, debts MUST be paid. The rest of the world will be watching all this going on in Asia and America, and probably think the same thing.
I don't see why not. Especially countries like Iraq ad Iran. They'll probably use our financial problems against us any way they can.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 07, 2016, 10:11:37 PM
It's not just the stock markets in Asia...
Take a look at this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/03/07/debt-crisis-bis_n_9399834.html
Right. That should be plain enough to be evident to a lot of people. Borrow beyond your financial means in income, and the 'bills will come due. eventually. In the state of N. Carolina, by their state law, debts MUST be paid. The rest of the world will be watching all this going on in Asia and America, and probably think the same thing.
I don't see why not. Especially countries like Iraq ad Iran. They'll probably use our financial problems against us any way they can.
--Lee
Everything is Awesome. After all Canada has 77 ounces of gold left. My neighbor collects gold coins and he is now richer than the entire Government of Canada
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/gold-canada-reserves-1.3475818
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 07, 2016, 10:11:37 PM
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..Especially countries like Iraq ad Iran. They'll probably use our financial problems against us any way they can.
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triffid and all others,
Speaking of Iraq in the immediate post above, Mosul Dam in Iraq is about ready to burst, and if it does: 500,000 people are in the path of an inland 'tidal wave' to the Persian Gulf.
Look at these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosul_Dam
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/03/14/Engineers-race-to-stop-collapse-of-massive-Mosul-dam.html
A disaster like this might have unpredictable effects on the economy of Southwest Asia and nearby regions, as well. Baghdad would be badly damaged, at the very least. Outlying political/religious/economic adversaries or enemies might be encouraged to do unknown thing to possibly take advantage of an unstable situation.
Who, what, when, where and why? I admit this is speculation, but
if the dam breaks, it'll be something I've only see once in my life: The Baldwin Hills Dam Disaster.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_Hills_Dam_disaster
I was a teenager in Southern Calif. when the news broke and the local news services covered the developing story in real time. I never forgot the experience. People weren't killed in astounding numbers, but the damage to Baldwin Hills downstream was, say, hundreds of millians
Here is a newsletter saying whats going to hit the USA soon.Its a 32 page read http://newamerica2020.com/ (http://newamerica2020.com/) Read and see what you think.triffid
Quote from: triffid on March 23, 2016, 01:44:36 PM
Here is a newsletter saying whats going to hit the USA soon.Its a 32 page read http://newamerica2020.com/ (http://newamerica2020.com/) Read and see what you think.triffid
FMI (
For
My
Information), I finally figured out---absolutely; proof positive---why the S.F. building is specifically happening. The tech boom in the South Bay and "Silicon Valley" continues to this day. Thousands of 'yuppies' (as it were), have come to the Bay Area and S.F. looking for work.
(My Dad was an engineer and he did the same thing in Southern Calif., having moved there from Seattle. It's stupid to me. The building construction companies probably borrowed a real, actual fortune to pay for construction, but what then?!? The average wage earner isn't participating in the economic recovery and they're the ones who outnumber the speculators, cops and National Guard. It's been predicted that this is another building 'bubble'that will collapse like others did before it.
The building boom and the speculation following it are the reasons people are being displaced by staggering rent increases and condo renovations---and the like. [size=78%]Displacement of the elderly is about a death sentence for some of the oldest if they're on the streets. In 10-15 years, middle aged seniors on the streets will be dying from exposure to the outdoor 'elements'.[/size]
The city managers of S.F. know this, but the real estate speculators don't care at all that people are suffering. [size=78%]The speculators aren't suffering, so that really don't give a (middle finger flip)---the most polite way I thought I could put it.[/size]
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Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 23, 2016, 07:57:38 PM
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The city managers of S.F. know this, but the real estate speculators don't care at all that people are suffering. The speculators aren't suffering, so that really don't give a (middle finger flip)---the most polite way I thought I could put it.
As further proof that this worldwide economic problem hasn't gone away, take a look at this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/13/world-faces-lost-year-as-policymakers-sleepwalk-towards-fresh-cr/
Yeah, right. The Chinese, as I said before, want what they can't have: Economic control of the world's resources---as much as possible (AMAP). So, it's coming again and it'll probably be worse than last time. Gain as much independence as possible, in as many ways as possible. Your life might depend on it if everything 'goes to hell', as the adage goes.
--Lee
This week on public tv(9-1 here in st.louis,mo) I watched Nova's video"The Wandering Lions of India".It appears that a daring new experiment is underway in the Gir National Forest.It seems that Lions and people are coexisting outside of the Park's boundaries.If a lion wanders into town or village its no big deal.Other wildlife are wandering into town also.As long as lions are not killing people they are left alone(they are watched however).A cow once in a while is killed.But its considered no big deal.If this idea spreads throughout the world it could be that man and wildlife can coexist in much tighter quarters.Than any of us had thought in the past.triffid
I believe that seniors should own their own homes to avoid being thrown out on the streets.Those who owned their own homes during the great depression of the 1930s suffered a lot less than those who did not.Forget the reverse mortgages.Don't borrow against your security.triffid
Sorry, I made a mistake "Nature" not" Nova" aired" India's Wandering Lions". Last night on public tv here(9-1)"Nova" aired" Wild Ways"."Wild ways" is about how we are striving to connect large parks together so that our wildlife can be preserved.Very interesting. There are plans in the works to connect Yellowstone Park with three or four national parks in Canada so wildlife will have a 6000 mile stretch of land to roam in.There are similar plans all other the world.Maybe mankind and wild animals can exist together for the next few thousand years together?The show featured highways that allow wild animals to cross in safety.Both overpasses and underpasses.Which are cheaper to build than to endure the loss of human and wildlife lives which occur as animals try to cross the road.Not to mention damage to vehicles.triffid
Hey triffid,
Things continue to go downhill economically here in S.F. More and more small businesses fold and, for the most part, their former business properties sit vacant months and months. I don't see how people don't notice this happening, unless they live month-to-month and don't care about anything else. Putting food on the table and paying rent---and THAT'S it. If that's the case, I understand. I think the subject of this thread becomes more and more relevant every day.
--Lee
I'm still ALIVE too Lee.Im doing ok I guess.Retired and own my own house.Makes a difference when you don't have to pay rent every month.Im working on several projects.I can tell you more in a personal message if you want to know.Been reading a book"Our Stolen Future" about the pollution in our world today.It goes beyond cancer.Talks about how normal reproductive and developmental processes are disrupted.We have polluted the whole world and must suffer for it now.triffid
Quote from: triffid on May 09, 2016, 11:00:59 AM
I'm still ALIVE too Lee.
There's something I've noticed:
Look at this...
China Stock Market Crisis News
Now, the thing i see is that there were more articles about the Chinese economy in the past than now. Only two, now. I ask myself, "Why is this?" Is there something bad happening to China or Asia?
As it is, the American economy is still grinding to a slow halt. I don't think there's anything that will help, here. Debt loads are reaching crisis levels in the near-to-intermediate future. Then it all stops for a LONG time.
--Lee
The future will be determined possibly by Donald Trump: FBI closes in on Hillary Clinton; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I7ijEpLApA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I7ijEpLApA)
It appears that Donald Trump is an anti-globalist. If he gets elected this will have a profound effect on the New world order.
Hopefully disaster can be avoided: Donald Trump is an anti globalist:- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpXgmrYhB066NHrZqyYhv9ufx_TTwEcVF (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpXgmrYhB066NHrZqyYhv9ufx_TTwEcVF)
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/400040-if-voting-made-any-difference-they-wouldn-t-let-us-do
Mr. "Art of the Deal" has to know that, unless he is seriously on a suicide mission.
Quote from: Dog-One on May 11, 2016, 08:39:04 PM
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/400040-if-voting-made-any-difference-they-wouldn-t-let-us-do (http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/400040-if-voting-made-any-difference-they-wouldn-t-let-us-do)
Mr. "Art of the Deal" has to know that, unless he is seriously on a suicide mission.
Right, guys---a.king21 & Dog-One---I like your attitudes. Reminds me of me. Trump is probably a 'hawk' and would reasonably be expected to bring the Iowa class battleships out of 'mothballs' [/size][size=78%]. They're the only ships I can think of that can take a hit from a large, very fast cruise, anti-shipping missile and still be able to fight a battle while the crew contends with damaging hull fires, as needed. The weakest part of the ship is the powder magazine. If that's hit by a missile, the bow or stern cold be blown off.[/size]
(I'm doing naval engineering for a commercial concern---classified.)
As for Clinton, many in politics don't want a woman for president. Frankly, both parties are out for their own agendas and neither one really represents the public who elected them. They're all crooks, IMHO.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on May 11, 2016, 11:33:37 PM
(I'm doing naval engineering for a commercial concern---classified.)
As for Clinton, many in politics don't want a woman for president. Frankly, both parties are out for their own agendas and neither one really represents the public who elected them. They're all crooks, IMHO.
--Lee
In view of the info. above (my doing research), I came across this:
http://squibnews.com/2016/02/07/isis-worried-american-sniper-chris-kyles-ghost-is-killing-their-top-commanders/
Chris Kyles was the record holding sniper in the Middle East while he was serving in the military. (He still works in the field to keep focus on the importance of his exploits---and is probably a pro at it as well.)
ISIS is so scared of this guy, they 're giving up rather than
certainly being shot by whoever is doing this---other than Kyles.
I'm glad to see it.
--Lee
Please don't get sucked in to the "effect". Look to the cause.
ISIS was created by the CIA on record. It was financed by rogue elements within the US government and probably the Saudis.
I dislike Putin, but he was correct in showing the world how easy it was to knock ISIS out in Syria.
Donald Trump is aware. If you look to my earlier posts you will get links to where Trump was interviewed by Alex Jones.
He knows that all this is part of a Satanic-Globalist take over plan.
Quote from: a.king21 on May 14, 2016, 08:02:37 AM
"He knows that all this is part of a Satanic-Globalist take over plan."
There's more than that. There's a set of papers on the 'Web that start with this:
http://wespenre.com/human-origins-and-the-living-library.htm (http://wespenre.com/human-origins-and-the-living-library.htm)
Paper #1 in a series...
There's about 30 papers in the whole series, including a tutorial course on Xeno/Exo subjects... It's alleged to be bigger than merely a takeover by Satanists/New World ODOR pundits.
The upshot of all these, I believe, is that the 'infamous' "Repoids" are trying to force humanity into extinction on Earth, that these people said was so before I found the information. Their words; not mine.
To those who might ask, "What do I (me myself) think of this----so-called----conspiracy?"
I have a security security clearance AND my opinion is that
not all the information is bogus. I don't really care. The economy will actually crash, and when it does, millions will starve just as dead as if an 'alien' uses a stupid "ray gun" against people. Dead is dead, regardless of how it happens.
--Lee
p.s.
If you like, read some of Penre's papers. Whatever you understand as the truth is yours to experience. Your opinion is your. I'd still keep a gun and a knife handy when the economy goes South, as it were.
--Lee
So, now, here's a Web page concerning the impending drastic economic conditions about to be visited on Chima. Here it is:
http://marketrealist.com/2016/05/issues-china-global-impact/ (http://marketrealist.com/2016/05/issues-china-global-impact/)[/font][/size]
The same old thing with different words. I'm surprised the worldwide economy got this far. It's 'a goner', though. Everyone will just have to wait for what happens to happen.
I'd try and resist the temptation to gloat about my prediction of how the economy would face the impending future, but I'm happy that my critics' silence in their criticism of my prediction is louder than a karaoke bar music speaker---that's 95+ decibels. (I sing karaoke as a pastime, so I might know.) Their silence is deafening.
"Gloat" to my critics.
--Lee
No critic here.
Economic disaster is only one piece of the pie. I'm becoming more confident every day disaster will touch everything and everybody all at once. The masters of destruction have pushed the button and walked away. The curse has been unleashed. It's too bad these demons aren't half as good at creation as they are at destruction. If they were, Earth would be a pretty decent place to live. They wanted hell on earth, so they made earth into hell--splendid plan. I hope they live forever in this shit hole they have made. That's about as close to justice as one can get.
M@
Pepe Escobar agrees that 2016 may be very turbulent,
although China may be in much better shape than many
think. (http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/calm-coming-global-storm/ri14220)
The U.S., aka
Exceptionalistan, may be near the end of its
rope.
We may indeed be presently in
the calm before the storm.
The World has taken note:
Quote from: excerpt from articleNo wonder the astonishing spread of Chinese economic power has left assorted Exceptionalists – from neocons to neoliberalcons — totally deranged. Washington has absolutely nothing to offer to nations across Asia, Africa and Latin America – to the whole Global South for that matter. They have all seen how Beijing is not in the market demanding Mob-style compound interest on sovereign debt; "support" for neo-imperial moves by NATO or the UN; one more extra-territorial hub for the US Empire of Bases; or total domination of their central banks.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 17, 2016, 11:48:27 PM
Pepe Escobar agrees that 2016 may be very turbulent,
although China may be in much better shape than many
think. (http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/calm-coming-global-storm/ri14220)
The U.S., aka Exceptionalistan, may be near the end of its
rope.
We may indeed be presently in the calm before the storm.
The World has taken note:
SeaMonkey,
There's a local S.F. weekly newspaper that printed by a socialist '.org' that had a headline recently indicating that Obama was obsessed with ISIS and ignoring the "Elephant in the room" as China and Chinese aggression.
I agree. That's why I have the part-time job I do; in national defense. My associates and supervisors realize that the Chinese, N. Koreans, and Iranians are building more WMD's and are very concerned as a result. Time will tell in the future whether or not the combined military might of these adversaries can be dealt with.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok
My associates and supervisors realize that the Chinese, N. Koreans, and Iranians are building more WMD's and are very concerned as a result. Time will tell in the future whether or not the combined military might of these adversaries can be dealt with.
If they are in fact developing those weapons it certainly
must be in response to the threat of U.S. Regime Change
activities or the threat of destabilization. U.S. Hegemony
is an out-of-control threat to the entire Planet. The U.S.
directed sabre rattling of NATO in Europe against Russia
is an example of such childish behavior.
Whether Obongo is the author of such actions, or is simply
following orders of his Masters, is unknown. Perhaps a
combination of both. Unfortunately, Obongo is, like nearly
all who have preceded him, a psychopath drunk on power.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 19, 2016, 03:07:11 PM
If they are in fact developing those weapons it certainly must be in response to the threat of U.S. Regime Change
activities or the threat of destabilization.
I learned about Communists, first, when I was a teenager and my Mom asked me to read a non-fiction account of an E. German woman who was falsely accused of spying against the Russians or the E. Germans in the early 60s. They tried to get her to confess to something (spying) that she was innocent of. Political pressure from the West caused her to be released after some time of brainwashing.
Generally, what they did to her had no effect in changing her mind and she trusted her own conviction (truthfully) that they were lying and trying to frame her for a crime she didn't commit. My point is: the Communists are as despicable as any political system can get and still exist amongst people who aren't any more trustworthy with their verbal or written word. Religiously, it was written, "The World belongs to the devil."
The Communists are an out-of-control-cannon on a ship in a hurricane. The American Gov't is no better, though. Some leaders around the world are a lot of lousy ingrates, IMO.
--Lee
,
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok
The Communists are an out-of-control-cannon on a ship in a hurricane. The American Gov't is no better, though. Some leaders around the world are a lot of lousy ingrates, IMO.
Precisely! I agree fully with the caveat that the "communists" being
referred to are those Bolsheviks of the former USSR and China.
Both of those were "experiments" by the Pullers of Strings who
control the World Monetary System and they were failures. Sadly,
those who concocted Bolshevism are now firmly in control of the U.S.
and are engineering its trance-formation into a replica of the old USSR.
The NeoCons who push American Exceptionalism and Hegemony are
in fact Bolshevik Communists. Their AGENDA is The Protocols.
The planned great war and its attendant depopulation seem to be
just around the corner in time.
You don't need an economic disaster. There is a silent radiation disaster occuring right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg16aTnJoRs&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: a.king21 on May 19, 2016, 08:57:14 PM
You don't need an economic disaster. There is a silent radiation disaster occuring right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg16aTnJoRs&feature=youtu.be
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/05/14/your-radiation-this-week-no-56/
Yeap. Colorado Springs -- First to Fry, again and again until life do we part.
No matter. The people there will never see it coming.
These radiation hazard events would at first peek seem
to be matters of ignorance and incompetence. In truth,
they are engineered to look like such but upon deeper
examination are found to be portions of the AGENDA.
The Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and
more recently, the Depleted Uranium contamination of
Iraq, are events inspired by the AGENDA. It has been at
work for a long time.
Why the "war" in Syria? Who benefits? (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=133286)
More on the AGENDA of The West (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=133291)
The Root Cause of our Present Problems (http://henrymakow.com/2016/05/why-there-are-no-good-jews.html)
Maximum chaos is looming on the horizon.
Quote from: Dog-One on May 19, 2016, 09:15:39 PM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/05/14/your-radiation-this-week-no-56/ (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/05/14/your-radiation-this-week-no-56/)
Yeap. Colorado Springs -- First to Fry, again and again until life do we part.
No matter. The people there will never see it coming.
Well, yeah, I'd say so if the use of atomic energy(?) in reactors would cause the background radiation to be that high?? Beta comes from atomic fission/fusion as a byproduct, yes? Take a look at this...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reaction
...as well as this...
http://www-outreach.phy.cam.ac.uk/camphy/cockcroftwalton/cockcroftwalton11_1.htm
High speed particles can react with the environment, can they not? Like high energy beta particles? That might be part of the background radiation. If so, you have a point. And many atomic reactors actually leak radiation, like caesium isotope(s). Also, take a look at this...
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-15/nuclear-plants-leak-radiation-and-regulator-faces-scrutiny
Right, yes. I can see that happening.
But, more immediately, miscreants like the Chinese have bought an aircraft carrier. They
don't know how use it correctly, until they learn the hard way by experience. But they
can do it eventually, with patience, which they have, if they think they need it. Most importantly, they want to upgrade their navy and air force. That's where I come in. I know what'll work from experience gained by the American and foreign military in WWII, especially, with respect to naval operations.
I intend to try and redesign ships today to better tolerate impacts from newer cruise/anti-shipping missiles.
It isn't just the radiation. There are more immediate concerns, like Communist aggression.
--Lee
Jesse Ventura on the Manning Case and more. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr0kEvIXXmg)
The coming "blowback" or "payback" for all of the
bad that America has done will be enormous.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 20, 2016, 12:14:15 AM
Jesse Ventura on the Manning Case and more. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr0kEvIXXmg)
The coming "blowback" or "payback" for all of the
bad that America has done will be enormous.
Like the famous Kaitlan Jenner, Chelsea Manning changed his to female, even though she'll probably be in prison for a
very long time. I don't mind their decision(s) for the change(s) at all---in either case---but more notoriety, whether they wanted it or not, will possibly accompany them for the rest of their lives. They'll just have to get used to it, I guess.
---Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on May 19, 2016, 06:51:43 PM
The Communists are an out-of-control-cannon on a ship in a hurricane. The American Gov't is no better, though. Some leaders around the world are a lot of lousy ingrates, IMO.
More proof of my assertion right here...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2016/05/mil-160519-voa04.htm?_m=3n%2e002a%2e1722%2eup0ao0822n%2e1kzo
Several Members here at Overunity said they agreed that 'the end' is coming. The Chinese are just one factor in the whole, bigger picture. Natural disasters, civil war, terrorist acts of destruction and economic depressions are also things that can cause people to suffer. This'll probably get worse in the future in general.
--Lee
I think the most important factor is to recognize that there is a slow kill in operation. Here is some dynamite information about the state of nuclear reactors in the USA including a hidden Chernobyl style accident which was covered up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg16aTnJoRs
After getting this info would anyone buy any US food products?
Quote from: a.king21 on May 21, 2016, 10:20:51 PM
I think the most important factor is to recognize that there is a slow kill in operation.
Slow is a relative term. It will kill you as fast as you let it.
Quote from: a.king21 on May 21, 2016, 10:20:51 PM
After getting this info would anyone buy any US food products?
Do I have any choice? Fifty one percent nutritious and 49% poison is still better than starving to death.
I wasn't born with a silver spoon and certainly no one ever told me life was going to be easy.
You play the cards you are dealt.
Yes I agree. I think Alex Jones has a water filter which screens out radiation and he also sells iodine.
Here's the link again. I think the products are cheaper in the US, so that should help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg16aTnJoRs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg16aTnJoRs)[/font][/size]
However making the info public could force these companies to pay for health treatment and to fix their reactors.
The Disaster (Economic and More) which is on the way
has roots in recent history:
The Fraud that Begets All Others (http://henrymakow.com/310702.html)
The Real Nakba (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=133423)
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 22, 2016, 12:40:37 PM
The Disaster (Economic and More) which is on the way
has roots in recent history:
The Fraud that Begets All Others (http://henrymakow.com/310702.html)
Not much time on this borrowed computer. But, I did read a Biblical passage awhile ago that said, in effect(exact gist):
"The world is owned by Satan."
Only recently have I learned the passage probably came from somewhere in the Apocrypha.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocrypha#The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints
Inasmuch as I'm not promoting religion---even though I'm a Jew---I point out that all are on this planet together and will be affected by the economic crash coming sooner or later. Only, I believe, the self-sufficient 'mountain men' who aren't caught up in the money game being foisted upon most people by the overall worldwide 'situation'(read as: greedy actions by some people who want control of money), will survive as long as they stay away from big cities where the money is concentrated.
--Lee
It is true that the World is heavily influenced by a
horde of Bad Boys outside our physical realm and
they are aided in their efforts to control everything
by all who follow (worship) their Leader.
Those Bad Boys offer much in the way of pleasure,
power and control; they know all of the "tricks" to
acquiring great wealth and using it to spread their
badness (wickedness) to attract many followers
It makes the choice very difficult for the peoples of
Planet Earth; the choice to do only what is good
and to eschew what is bad. Under conditions of
extreme hardship, poverty, tyranny, terrorism and
war,often the only way out seems to be to follow
those who are bad.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 22, 2016, 08:49:28 PM
It is true that the World is heavily influenced by a horde of Bad Boys ...
I'd call these "Bad Boys" as the national world leaders in every country.
Both the Apostle Paul and King David said, in written quotations of the Bible, "There is no good man, no not one."
Quote
...outside our physical realm and they are aided in their efforts to control everything by all who follow (worship) their Leader.
Actually, more of the same, above, simply on a bigger scale. As a Jew, I think Shekinah is higher than Adonai. I'm probably alone in this belief.
Quote
...Those Bad Boys offer much in the way of pleasure, power and control; they know all of the "tricks" to acquiring great wealth and using it to spread their badness (wickedness) to attract many followers...
I agree with you. However, all are 'evil', as the two Biblical figures above alluded to in writing. The easy path is wide and the hard, uphill path is narrow---even very narrow.
Quote
...It makes the choice very difficult for the peoples of Planet Earth; the choice to do only what is good and to eschew what is bad. Under conditions of extreme hardship, poverty, tyranny, terrorism and
war,often the only way out seems to be to follow those who are bad.
Depends on the person. Some are better in character and others aren't. Mother Teresa is a good example of a positive moral character.
War may happen much sooner than thought possible. (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2044.htm)
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 23, 2016, 03:17:40 PM
War may happen much sooner than thought possible. (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2044.htm)
The underlined 'Web site redirects one to this address:
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2044.htm
Being a social/political/monetary/legal/etc. 'watchdog' is fine, it's just that unless something affects people personally, they probably won't care. Example: The Falun Gong movement is banned in China by the ruling junta, even though they're a very positive social organization. Americans don't care that the Falun Gong practitioners are sincere. If Falun Gong go to China, they die. Americans aren't concerned about something from another country that practices meditation, if the Americans don't. Strong lack of concern by Americans.
What the above discourse has to with my concerns is that these 'watchdog' groups can become aggressive when they realize that most Americans also don't care about their(the watchdogs') issues. Falun Gong is, in effect, a watchdog organization. The members of revolutionary groups can become convinced that the "system" is "rigged" against them if they finally realize they won't get what they want. Even if they're Rightist in ideology. To Americans, Rightists can be equated with Fascist Nazis.
--Lee
Quote...Being a social/political/monetary/legal/etc. 'watchdog' is fine, it's just that unless something affects people personally, they probably won't care.
This is probably going to affect EVERYONE in this country:
http://www.profitconfidential.com/economy/china-economic-collapse-jim-chanos-issues-chilling-report-on-china/ (http://www.profitconfidential.com/economy/china-economic-collapse-jim-chanos-issues-chilling-report-on-china/)
Okay, now, this thing that's coming, people
will care about. Going hungry for a long time is something that can ruin one's positive outlook on life, to put it very lightly!! I implied almost 3 years ago that the conditions mentioned above were coming and they actually will arrive. It's just now, there are others saying similar words, to pretty closely echoing what I said, then. My nay-sayers are silent now. Maybe they know why. Kudos the those who recognized my prediction as about to be realized.
--Lee
Americans: A Conquered People: The New Serfs (http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/columnists/24-05-2016/134518-americans-0/)
Quote from: Excerpt from Article
The United States government has unaccountable power. Its power is not accountable to US statutory law, to international law, to the Congress, to the judiciary, to the American people, or to moral conscience. In the 21st century the war criminal US government has murdered, maimed, and dislocated millions of people based on lies and propaganda. Washington has destroyed seven countries in whole or part in order to enrich the American elite and comply with the neoconservative drive for US world hegemony.
Americans live in a propaganda-fabricated world in which a brutal police state is cloaked in nice words like "freedom and democracy." "Freedom and democracy" is what Washington's war machine brings with sanctions, bombs, no-fly zones, troops, and drones to countries that dare to cling to their independence from Washington's hegemony.
A pretty good idea:
Appeal to the World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4zF-7S-TEA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4zF-7S-TEA)
Donald Trump knows about the Rockefeller/Bush/Rothschilds etc New World Order. Trump's son has vaccine induced autism.
Let's hope Donald Trump makes it.
Corruption in American Government is everywhere.
(http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/irs-malfeasance-is-part-of-larger-government-corruption/)
The coming Disaster cannot be far off.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 25, 2016, 06:10:10 PM
Corruption in American Government is everywhere.
(http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/irs-malfeasance-is-part-of-larger-government-corruption/)
The coming Disaster cannot be far off.
"No One Hates the IRS More Than House Republicans"
They really start off this article that way? Please...
I'm sure Ed and Elaine Brown just worship the IRS.
I don't know if the Daily Bell Staff are just trying to be
cute or what. The truth is simple. The monster that
has been created grows ever more hungry and isn't
deterred by any moral objection to cannibalism. It will
happily eat its young, which happens to be the final
solution to all this mess--self destruction. The only
chance we have is to use disinformation and propaganda
the same way they have used on us, to turn them
against each other, otherwise we ALL go down with
the ship. Divide and conquer them bastards and do
it smartly before they get wise to it. Use every tool
they created for us and mirror it right back--Judo style.
M@
Quote from: Dog-One
"No One Hates the IRS More Than House Republicans"
They really start off this article that way? Please...
I'm sure Ed and Elaine Brown just worship the IRS.
Yeah, they started with a quotation from a Bloomberg
puff propaganda piece which they then went on to
dismantle - corruption has permeated The House, The
Senate, The Supreme Court and The Presidency. The
whole government is corrupt!
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 26, 2016, 06:16:53 PM
...The [/size]whole government is corrupt![/size]
Right.. The Biblical Apocrypha says as much.
More indication that China is going downhill:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-25/cash-cows-fund-china-dairy-firm-that-defied-stock-market-slump
Cattle? As loan co-lateral? I'm not surprised. Just shows how greedy some people are. "The End is Nigh!!!"
--Lee
Quote from:
Cattle? As loan co-lateral? I'm not surprised. Just shows how greedy some people are. "The End is Nigh!!!"
When Family Farms were abundant in America (pre-AgriBusiness
buyout of farmland) many farmers would negotiate a loan from
the local bank in order to purchase crop seed and machinery as
needed. Collateral for those loans also included livestock and
other physical items on the farm. The loans were nearly always
paid-off when the crop was harvested and things were good until
spring when another loan would be needed to purchase seed again.
China's economy resembles in many respects what America was
like many years ago...
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 26, 2016, 11:28:50 PM
When Family Farms were abundant in America (pre-AgriBusiness
buyout of farmland) many farmers would negotiate a loan from
the local bank in order to purchase crop seed and machinery as
needed. Collateral for those loans also included livestock and
other physical items on the farm. The loans were nearly always
paid-off when the crop was harvested and things were good until
spring when another loan would be needed to purchase seed again.
Then I believe life insurance became a mandatory requirement
to renew the loan. Hence the phase, "bought the farm", which
simply transferred money from one crook to another and put
the farm up for auction. Everybody wins, provided you wear a
suit to work.
"bought the farm" refers to being killed.
accident or war usually.
In sufficient time all Truth is made known.
WW2 in the Pacific -- Totally Avoidable (http://henrymakow.com/2016/05/WW2-in-the-Pacific-Totally-Avoidable.html)
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 27, 2016, 08:11:40 PM
In sufficient time all Truth is made known.
WW2 in the Pacific -- Totally Avoidable (http://henrymakow.com/2016/05/WW2-in-the-Pacific-Totally-Avoidable.html)
Great information.
I've just watched a staggering video by Alex Jones addressing Donald Trump publicly. The head to head collision against the New world order is just months away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0sIa-ki0QI
Some may be surprised to learn that what is presently happening
in Europe with the Immigration Fiasco has long been the Plan.
The destruction of the European society and the emergence of
a superior ruling elite is well underway. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=133771)
To discover who the Main Players are may be shocking to some as
well. Nothing is ever as it seems...
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 28, 2016, 04:14:36 PM
Some may be surprised to learn that what is presently happening
in Europe with the Immigration Fiasco has long been the Plan.
The destruction of the European society and the emergence of
a superior ruling elite is well underway. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=133771)
To discover who the Main Players are may be shocking to some as
well. Nothing is ever as it seems...
Maybe so. If you 'click' on the underlined sentence above, it re-directs your computer to:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=133771
Okay. The headline article had the title: "
Pope Francis: Pawn of Big Jewry and Promoter of White Genocide"
Uh...guys? This is racist. I'm a Jew; I'm not one of the Big (Moneyed?) Jewry; and I'm Caucasian(White). Does that include me or not, in this
racist, insulting diatribe? I just saw this. I don't know if I did anything to deserve this. WTH?!? Then, too, Pope Francis is White, as well. Does the title include him, too?
I could go on with further points along this line, but I think I've made a point, here. I'm looking up the name of the Moderator of this section of the Site, and then I'll send him a notification of this posted reply. The whole response. Maybe he'll see the "Truthseeker" site the same way I do.
--Lee
P.S.
Well, okay. Two Moderators that are mentioned as leading Forums are Gotoluc and wattsup.
(Spelling was from personal memory---not like what it was, admittedly.)
But, I direct their attention to the posted Reply above. I thought it was racist and I'm not happy about it. That kind of posting doesn't belong on a Free Energy site like this one.
On a different topic, this was on the 'Web very recently...
http://www.profitconfidential.com/economy/chinese-yuan-the-latest-sign-were-nearing-a-china-economic-collapse/ (http://www.profitconfidential.com/economy/chinese-yuan-the-latest-sign-were-nearing-a-china-economic-collapse/)
These idiotic ChiComm junta pundits think they can try and control the HUGE Chinese economy... ???
No, that's stupid. And I believe, like the analysts, the Chinese economy is going to look like seared(carbonized) toast, not just "toast". Their size can drag the Asians down with them, and then, all of the Eastern Hemisphere after that. :( :'( >:(
Look out. It's coming. :o ::) :P
--Lee
It's all very disconcerting. I've been on the veterans today website and they confirm infowars radiation readings. It would be interesting to see if public pressure can get these reduced.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4dkqab_48-us-nuke-plants-leaking-radiation_school
I don't like this New world order stuff, but maybe it's been going on since before our grandfather's time and we're just finding out.
Quote from: a.king21 on May 31, 2016, 01:25:38 AM
It's all very disconcerting. I've been on the veterans today website and they confirm infowars radiation readings.
Disconcerting...?
Have a look at the latest:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/05/28/your-radiation-this-week-no-58/
Now the readings are flagged "Corrupted", meaning the data is incomplete and/or
tampered with. I wouldn't be surprised to learn AJ had something to do with that.
Wherever he roams, information always seems to become corrupted.
Quote from: a.king21 on May 31, 2016, 01:25:38 AM
It would be interesting to see if public pressure can get these reduced.
The public are idiots. If there is any pressure from them at all, it will be to get
another pill to make their problems go away.
The game is still being played to the finish, but it's really over. Anyone with
half their brain left knows already who won and who lost. The winners will
rewrite history and the losers will perish.
QuoteTheir size (the Chinese economy) can drag the Asians down with them, and then, all of the Eastern Hemisphere after that. :( :'( >:(
I'll give you an example:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/05/31/business/economy-business/japans-economy-improved-april-deflation-persists/#.V02yHcArIdU (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/05/31/business/economy-business/japans-economy-improved-april-deflation-persists/#.V02yHcArIdU)
Okay, now. Japan, as it's being pointed out by not just me, but analysts, as well, has its own problems. Domestic product production and necessary imports are down and probably going lower.
So, it's at least one more factor as well as the Chinese. I just think the Chinese are the worst bunch in the whole lot in term of greed and power hungry control issues.
--Lee
Yea, well, Venezuela is not doing too well, either. At least you (where's you're at) can still buy food, etz...
Who's next to be led down the line to their death??? And where will you be when the volcano blows....
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok
I just think the Chinese are the worst bunch in the whole lot in term of greed and power hungry control issues.
UK most corrupt country in the WorldQuote from: Article
Journalist and world-renowned expert on the Italian mafia Roberto Saviano has called the UK "the most corrupt country in the world," and said that Brexit may make the situation even more disastrous. "If I asked you what is the most corrupt place on Earth, you might well tell me it's Afghanistan, maybe Greece, Nigeria, the South of Italy, and I will tell you it's the UK," Saviano told the audience at Britain's Hay Literary Festival.
"It's not the bureaucracy, it's not the police, it's not the politics, but what is corrupt is the financial capital. Ninety percent of the owners of capital in London have their headquarters offshore," he added.
The UK is Europe's "criminal capital" when it comes to allowing corruption, the journalist thinks, with the trust funds in Jersey and British Overseas Territory the Cayman Islands being its "access gates."
"That is why it is important, why it is so crucial for me to be here today and to talk to you because I want to tell you, this is about you, this is about your life, this is about your government," the 36-year-old journalist told the audience.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on May 31, 2016, 01:17:54 PM
UK most corrupt country in the World (https://www.rt.com/uk/344839-uk-corrupt-country-journalist/)
I see, SeaMonkey. Money does corrupt some people, like the lust for gold---same reasoning.
I suppose money can pay off corrupt police official and their supervisors, as well as politicians, but it's then what they do to others with the money as financial persecution or outright attacks in the name of personal politics or insane ambition that can make the situation worse.
--Lee
First Detroit and Now Chicago: Some would argue that the
Collapse has already begun. (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/dozens-shot-over-memorial-day-weekend-as-the-collapse-of-chicago-accelerates)
Germany is under threat of collapse as well. (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/23/germany-registers-surge-crimes-right-wing-radicals/)
For the West the solution to economic collapse has
traditionally been War. Perhaps the efforts of NATO
in Europe to stimulate confrontation with Russia are
for that purpose.
China appears to have a decided advantage over the U.S.
both industrially and fiscally. (http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/target-russia-target-china-target-iran/ri14718) How this all shakes out as the
U.S. attempts to "destroy" China remains to be seen.
It will not be good for the health of America no matter which
way it goes...
First off: Don't forget Greece....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/20/the-crazy-reason-we-might-be-facing-a-huge-crisis-in-greece-again/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/20/the-crazy-reason-we-might-be-facing-a-huge-crisis-in-greece-again/)
After that, in totality, it's the PIIGS: Portugal, Ireland,Italy , Greece, and Spain. I might also add(?): Iceland? That would make the acronym...PIIIGS (?)
Spain: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-17549970 (http://www.bbc.com/news/business-17549970)
Italy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/italy-debt-crisis/ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/italy-debt-crisis/)
Ireland: Same newspaper as above: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/ireland-financial-crisis/ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/ireland-financial-crisis/)
Portugal: http://www.euronews.com/tag/portuguese-economy/ (http://www.euronews.com/tag/portuguese-economy/)
Iceland: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35485876 (http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35485876)
(Greece was already mentioned above.)
As for Iceland, the last 2-3 paragraphs or so, indicate that more countries than theirs (Icelandic's) are in for an interconnected economic lambasting of a bunch of good-sized countries---and that leaves alone the Asians in general, the Chinese and Japanese.
The Chinese may be doing all right, now, but this was written:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-trend-idUSKCN0Y003W (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-trend-idUSKCN0Y003W)
The Japanese know there's a problem coming and they make their opinion known:
http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-prime-minister-warning-about-lehman-scale-crisis-2016-5 (http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-prime-minister-warning-about-lehman-scale-crisis-2016-5)
I was lucky enough to have an apartment in a homeless domicile at the Salvation Army for 2 years and free TV all that time. I learned the basics of financial commerce and banking during my stay there.
This is easily a simple cut-and-dried case of past mistakes being revisited again on a worldwide scale similar to past economic failures like Lehman, the 'Dot-.com' and the Grandaddy of them all: the Great Depression of the Thirties.
Some international economic leaders---maybe a lot, too---won't face economic realities that're coming. The SWHTF scenario might be put off for a while, but the crash-landing will be all the harder for their efforts.
p.s.
Let's not forget the Good Ol' USA:
http://thesovereigninvestor.com/exclusives/80-stock-market-crash-to-strike-in-2016/?z=503065
Three Means of Waging Personal Financial Revolution Against
the Banksters. (http://omnithought.org/3-means-of-waging-personal-financial-revolution-against-banksters/2454)
Quote from: Article
By Dylan Charles, editor of WakingTimes.com
The world is enslaved to an economic system designed to create tremendous power and wealth for those who own the system, while forcing the rest of us into mathematically insurmountable debt and the stagnation, austerity and poverty that comes with it.
Corrupt and patently unsustainable, the world's currencies and financial markets are rigged, and an economic collapse is inevitable at some point. Sad but true, and the ongoing dramatic narrative of the interplay between engineered boom and engineered bust is a chief psychological tool in sustaining the popular belief that this monetary reality as the only monetary reality possible. The truth, however, is that as long as this economic reality is the reality then we will be slaves to debt economics, and the pursuit of endless growth is certain to consume everything on the planet.
The good news is that the task of migrating an entire civilization from one economic system to another is so enormous that as individuals we don't have to feel encumbered by the pressure of having to come up with the one and only solution to save all of human civilization. We can instead be empowered by the knowledge that any meaningful adjustment we make in our personal lives is a contribution to the future realization of a greater shift for the better, sometime in the future. Our role is merely to be the trim tabs, and when enough momentum builds, watch the ship change its course.
. . . . . . . . . .
More at Link Above the Quote
We are in need of Reality Checks frequently in order to
"see" how those in power are playing their game.
The First Remedy (http://www.newpeopleorder.com/Remedy-One-for-New-People-Order.html)
Quote from: Dog-One on June 07, 2016, 05:24:05 PM
The First Remedy (http://www.newpeopleorder.com/Remedy-One-for-New-People-Order.html)
http://anonymousforresponsiblejournalism.blogspot.in/2012/02/using-our-internet-platforms-to-defame.html
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Henry_Makow
These are two of more available articles than these as examples of the current topic being discussed by others than myself who brought up the mention of the likes(?) of: Conspiracy, Anti-Semitism and similar concepts to this thread.
Okay:
I don't believe in a male-oriented Creator, Yahway, God, Great Unknown, etc. etc.etc. I, as a very liberal Jew, consider Shekinah to be superior in spiritual qualities to all Entities heretofore mentioned up to this point. AND, Orthodox Jews would possibly condemn me to hell for writing this. I say, the words I write, are something I relate to as a personal truth in my mind alone. You, the reader, can think what you like. Your decision.
Time running out on this borrowed computer.
I'll close with this: I have classified info. different than what you get off the 'Web. NOT being specific about it. It's simply not the same. I often ignore what you say. MY associates are watching what you write as well. They'll decide if what you say is something they need to do about in the future.
BUT, you don't have much time left. Sharpen your knives and make sure your guns work. You might need them, and that 'crackpot', Henry Makow, might need more than he can acquire in resources to survive the collapse that's coming. Oh, yeah, the "Boys at Langley" are certainly watching him, IMHO.
--Lee
"Shock and Awe" relates to Shekinah
What is the message that was conveyed there?
This is not good news at all! Germany makes
preparations to wage War. (http://theduran.com/germany-preparing-war-russia/)
The West is compelled to resort to World War in
order to delay the coming Disaster.
Will The West succeed?
Quote from "Prisoner of the mist"
I loathe them, In trying to figure out the purpose I came upon an epiphany,
It,s not about power or dominance it,s the mirror image in the minds eye,
actions born of fear, an attempt to alleviate that state is the founding
motive from which all governmental structures form. From herding beasts
to so called "demigods" all in a clamour for recognition within their
sphere, each withholding knowledge from the lesser forcing those aware to
exist within that tapestry of ever expanding vulgarities which is waking
existance.
Perhaps their is wisdom in all of it, give a beast an axe, without the
discipline of it,s creation, the mixture of elements, the fires to form
it, the will to forge, he will leave it to rust in the elements or cleave
his kinsmen over petty disputes, like I said vulgar beasts and I,m forced
to watch it all.
A dragon, roaring the tenor of fears compilation, sending the prey to flight.
The foraging beast, content with it,s being, the glade of it,s drink and
forage filling with it,s feces. The humanoid, structures built to set at
envy it,s brethren, feeble attempts to control elements either through
machine or script which they call magic, Ignorant cretants shaking sticks at
each other, somnatic phrases eminate from their mouths, luminous elements
leap fourth striking the advesary.
Sometimes, rising above it,s brethren, beings, for a brief time dominate the
others, All in vain, attempt thwarted and the cycle begins again. The noise
is deafening. Perhaps this time I will meddle in the affairs. let it,s vain
ego reap the whirlwind of their desire.
Entre Vu Sepseraphel
Quote from: Gothic on June 08, 2016, 07:10:17 PM
Quote from "Prisoner of the mist"
Entre Vu Sepseraphel
Interesting quote, Gothic. It actually reads like something 'Gothic'. Did you know that Goths were an ancient tribe that originated in southern Sweden? I'm noticeably Scandinavian, myself. BTW, is this what you were referring to...?
http://www.nwnravenloft.com/forum/
--Lee
Something Big that always happens right before the
Official Start of a Recession has just happened. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=134305)
Things are beginning to look very bad by the numbers.
The name of this thread is "I see an economic disaster coming" but, in truth, economics of the globe
is a moot point, because after this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTISz5VK8qo the only form
of communication will be shortwave transceivers... maybe...
Quote from: Gothic on June 09, 2016, 02:36:01 AM
The name of this thread is "I see an economic disaster coming" but, in truth, economics of the globe
is a moot point, because after this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTISz5VK8qo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTISz5VK8qo) the only form
of communication will be shortwave transceivers... maybe...
I started to believe in "flat earth", now there comes NIBIRU, or is it economic disaster?
My faith has to flip around a lot! So many things to believe! I think I will believe all, that is the best option, I do not want miss out on anything.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: conradelektro on June 09, 2016, 11:29:19 AM
I started to believe in "flat earth", now there comes NIBIRU, or is it economic disaster?
Either one---NIBIRU or Super Recession---would be enough. I looked at some of the video immediately in question. There are lot of these available on YouTube.
I'm just waiting. However, NIBIRU, if it's actually coming, can mess up the planet worse than any Depression. I'll just hope it's something humanity can survive or get over with in time. I think the impending recession will do enough damage to people's lives.
We'll all just have to get ready as best we can for whatever comes.
--Lee
An easy to comprehend analysis of why the
Economic Disaster is soon to occur:
Quote from: The Daily Reckoning
By Greg Canavan in Albert Park
--When retirees and ordinary savers complain about low interest rates, it barely rates a mention. What would these simpletons know about financial markets?
--But when the 'bond king' pipes up, it's front page news. From the Financial Times:
Quote from: Times'The $10tn pile of negative-yielding government bonds is a "supernova that will explode one day", according to Janus Capital's Bill Gross, underscoring the rising nervousness over the previously unthinkable financial phenomenon.'
--Bill Gross earned the moniker 'bond king' through his long association as head of the world's largest bond fund manager, PIMCO. Keep in mind though; the biggest bond bull market in history helped his rise to greatness.
--But it's not only Gross joining the plebs in warning about this very serious financial retardation. The article goes on...
Quote from: Times'Mr Gross joins a mounting chorus of big investors who fret that this phenomenon will end in tears. Capital Group — which manages about $1.4tn — has warned that negative interest rates were distorting financial markets and economies, and might lead to "potentially dangerous consequences".
'Jeffrey Gundlach, the head of Los Angeles-based bond house DoubleLine, recently told a German newspaper that negative interest rates "are the stupidest idea I have ever experienced", and warned that "the next major event [for markets] will be the moment when central banks in Japan and in Europe give up and cancel the experiment".
'Larry Fink, the head of BlackRock, warned in his latest letter to investors that while low borrowing costs were a boon to many companies and countries, they come at a heavy cost to savers.'
--It takes people of financial distinction to tell us this?
--Well, yes. And yet nothing will change. The market will have to find its own solution, because it certainly won't come from policymakers.
--The Fed recognises the danger, but can't get out of first gear in trying to raise rates to even a semblance of normality. It had to pull its plans to do so last week after poor employment data.
--Negative interest rates are a retardation of the essence of capitalism. That is, you need to get a reward (expressed as a rate of interest) for handing your money over to another party.
--That there is now $10 trillion in bonds trading on a negative yield is an abomination.
--How did things get like this?
--Well, without the constant interference of central banks, the decisions of savers and spenders determine the rate of interest.
--The banking system creates credit by lending. This lending increases the amount of 'money' flowing through the economy.
--But the amount of credit creation in the first place is determined by how cheap or easy it is to get. That is, the rate of interest on credit, or money.
--In a non-central bank dominated world, low interest rates reflect a surplus of savings in the system. This is because previously higher interest rates encouraged people to defer consumption and save instead. This increases the supply of money in the system, pushing the price of it (the interest rate) down.
--The low interest rates then stimulate consumption and investment through increased borrowing. Borrowing is just consumption brought forward. This goes on until the 'savings' in the system start to fall.
--The fall in savings brought about by low interest rates means demand is greater than supply. What happens then? The price of money — the interest rate — goes back up to balance supply and demand.
--In this way, an unmolested financial system breathes in and out, matching the demand from investors and borrowers with the supply coming from savers. The interest rate is the regulator of this natural rhythm. Leave it alone and the economy and financial system will stay in balance.
--It won't be all smooth sailing. You'll get the occasional overshoot of activity followed by recession to clear away poor investment decisions. But downturns would not be prolonged.
--Now, let's bring the all-knowing and omniscient central bank into the equation...
--When it looks like the system naturally wants to put a higher price on money to discourage consumption and encourage saving, central bankers wave their wand and create more money.
--But there is more to it than simply 'lowering interest rates'. The way in which they do so is crucial to understand. When a central bank 'cuts rates', they do so by shoving more 'money' into the commercial banking system. The system thinks this newly-created money is real savings. It then reacts to this increased supply of money by lowering its price — the interest rate.
--This in turn sends a signal that borrowing, investment and consumption needs to increase, and saving needs to decrease.
--In other words, it's a completely false signal that creates the opposite effect of what is really needed.
--And yet central banks keep pushing the button. They have created so much money now that the weight of it is pushing nominal rates into negative territory. Investors (like the bond king) must actually pay some governments a small fee when buying their bonds!
--The absurdity is mindboggling. No wonder some of the world's biggest and best investors are turning to gold. From The Australian:
Quote from: Australian'Soros Fund Management, which manages $US30 billion for Mr Soros and his family, sold stocks and bought gold and shares of gold miners, anticipating weakness in various markets. Investors view gold as a haven during times of turmoil.'
--Risks are mounting. Yet the retardation of the price of credit/money by the world's central banks means there are few warning signs. Gold is perhaps one of the few genuine signals left to warn of these rising monetary distortions.
--I'm amazed it's still trading below $US1,300 an ounce.
Cheers,
Greg Canavan,
For The Daily Reckoning
" --Risks are mounting. Yet the retardation of the price of credit/money by the world's central banks means there are few warning signs. Gold is perhaps one of the few genuine signals left to warn of these rising monetary distortions. [/size]--I'm amazed it's still trading below $US1,300 an ounce.
Cheers,Greg Canavan, For The Daily Reckoning "
I've already said this before, either on this thread or another: You can't eat a gold coin. I don't bother to chase after money that will eventually be worthless. Commodities and staples are going to be worth more than diamonds and rubies someday. You can actually eat a can of pork and beans that is still fresh a lot more nutritious than gold, cash or crude oil.[/size]
I'd pay more attention to something I can eat or drink than whatever can't be grown or renewed somehow. Sustainable living is the way to go in the future. Otherwise, all may be grievously[/size] affected by coming events that could test the souls of man and beast alike.[/size]
Everyone on Earth will experience what's coming as long as they live. I think the only way to escape from worldwide eventualities is to die----and that may not stop the personal suffering of truly nefarious individuals when one wakes up in the depths of Hell.[/size]
--Lee
I agree, methods of water purification and non perishable foods would make living during a time
of strife more bearable... Even something as plentiful as iodized salt can become as precious
as gold, like the old saying "'worth one's salt"... To be 'worth one's salt' is to be worth one's pay.
Imagine a lightning bolt several miles wide, What, not possible, well it seems that sometimes
when two celestial bodies get to close something like the sort happens... but don,t listen to
me, listen to the evidence, this is the gift of niburu or whatever you want to call it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5NK5j7dI0s
Quote from: Gothic on June 10, 2016, 12:49:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5NK5j7dI0s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5NK5j7dI0s)
I watched the video and I agree with what the commentator says. I also remember reading many years ago that A LONG time ago NIBIRU(spelling?) was actually a planet between Mars and Jupiter. The native destroyed themselves in a war when they dropped a huge hydrogen bomb with an additional heating means attached to it that allowed the bomb to settle down to the solid core. The losers(?) of the war---evil aliens(?), maybe---acted like ISIS terrorists and detonated the bomb and that blew the whole planet out of its regular orbit into a very wide orbit past Pluto.
(NIBIRU is said to be inbound in its orbit at this time and UFO theorists believe it'll arrive near Earth's orbit by 2017. The last such incident occurred ~10,000 yrs ago. Widespread destruction and loss of life.)
The close approach of planets to each other at that time caused planetary changes with "lightning bolts" to occur and then reshape the planets' surfaces to some extent. Is this something that you can relate to, Gothic?
Of interest?
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/distant-planet-may-lurk-far-beyond-neptune (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/distant-planet-may-lurk-far-beyond-neptune)
This one's strange:
http://beforeitsnews.com/mediadrop/uploads/2014/48/adbf31d35fef5ffe982843a9f7c270e9aaae5164.jpg (http://beforeitsnews.com/mediadrop/uploads/2014/48/adbf31d35fef5ffe982843a9f7c270e9aaae5164.jpg)
Here's the 'Web address:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/11/planet-x-nibiru-system-the-story-of-our-lifetime-2014-3066632.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/11/planet-x-nibiru-system-the-story-of-our-lifetime-2014-3066632.html)
(Beware...This site immediately above is plagued by many commercial pop-up Internet ads. Look out for 'malware' and/or 'spyware', eh?!?)
Okay, now. Back on topic...
http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1946685/china-hong-kong-and-other-debt-laden-economies-risk-major (http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1946685/china-hong-kong-and-other-debt-laden-economies-risk-major)
and...
http://www.profitconfidential.com/economy/insider-says-this-could-trigger-the-next-financial-crisis/ (http://www.profitconfidential.com/economy/insider-says-this-could-trigger-the-next-financial-crisis/)
Worldwide financial problems are going to be here for some people to cringe at for some time to come...
Last minute addition...
Case in point; latest I've seen:
http://marketrealist.com/2016/06/jim-chanos-says-chinas-outlook-pretty-grim/
This is a lengthy set of articles on a "Market Realist" 'Web page that further illustrates that China is being looked at with apprehension by analysts in NYC and/or elsewhere.
Get READY.
--Lee
Quote from: The_Big_m...
Worldwide financial problems are going to be here for some people to cringe at for some time to come...
Those problems are slated to get much worse in the
not too distant future. Nothing is left to chance...
The Group will be meeting soon to finalize the plan.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on June 10, 2016, 06:09:31 PM
Those problems are slated to get much worse in the
not too distant future. (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/a-disturbing-trend-internet-exposure-of-bilderberg-is-met-with-defiance/) Nothing is left to chance...
The Group will be meeting soon to finalize the plan.
Quoted from the post immediately above...
"The continued presence of Bilderberg is just one more indication that banking elites do not intend to hide anymore. Perhaps in this Internet era, they don't believe it's possible." I agree. And I think they'll find their plans could be capable of unraveling without warning and without their hopes of remedy. Conspirators like them are all on this planet with everyone else. Even if they tried to hide under a mountain in the Rockies similar to the Gov't hideout waiting for the President and member of Congress in a national emergency(correct location?), they'll find when they leave the 'hideout' they put themselves in, that there may not be an economic or political country to govern. I believe this'll be more than a depression like the one in the Thirties. Total collapse should be coming in the future.
However, time will tell, as the adage goes.
We may choose to succumb to the pressures exerted by
those controlling the present reality or we may choose to
see it as it is:
Quote from: SeaMonkey on June 11, 2016, 10:43:16 PM
We may choose to succumb to the pressures exerted by
those controlling the present reality or we may choose to
see it as it is:
"It takes politicians who've never created new wealth to use the law to steal existing wealth.
--Author
unknown to me[/size]
--From an internet page on quotes of stealing
"Politicians are non-productive workers."
--My own adage, insofar as I know.
Paul Craig Roberts has a few words to say about the
"economy" of the U.S. (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/09/where-do-matters-stand-paul-craig-roberts/)
Quote from: Article
The economic picture is equally dismal and unpromising. The latest payroll jobs report was even more awful than reported. Hardly any new jobs were created, but what largely escaped reporting is the fact that the economy actually lost 59,000 full-time jobs.
Increasingly the US economy consists of part-time jobs that cannot support an independent existence. Thus, more Americans age 19-34 live at home with parents than independently with spouses or partners. Fully half of 25-year old Americans live in their childhood rooms in their parents' homes.
This is the "New Economy" that the filthy lying neoliberal economists promised would be reward for the American work force giving up their manufacturing and professional skill jobs to foreigners. What a monstrous lie the neoliberal economists told so that corporate executives and shareholders could put into their own pockets the living wage of the American work force. These neoliberal economists, and, alas, libertarian "free market" ones, have not been held accountable for their impoverishment of the American work force deeply buried in debt with no future prospects.
Those few Americans who have any awareness are beginning to realize that the One Percent and the western governments that serve them are re-establishing feudalism. The brilliant and learned economist, Michael Hudson, has labeled our era the era of neo-feudalism.
He is correct. The majority of young Americans come out of university heavily indebted, primed for debtor prison. When half of 25-year olds cannot marry and form households, how can anyone believe that housing sales and prices are rising except as a result of speculative investors banking on rental income from a population that cannot even pay its student loans.
I think full-out nuclear war (mutually assured destruction) is off the table.
This would actually be the best case scenario. THEY don't want us dead.
THEY want us locked into a permanent living hell while we are continually
used as target practice. And like George Carlin said,
"And they'll get it too. They'll get it all some day, because they own this f_cking place."
People refuse to accept they have been lied to, cheated and stolen from.
They cannot believe it, so to them, it didn't happen and is not happening.
They will never admit to themselves they have been outplayed, outconned
and overwhelmed. They are incapable of getting angry. Many just write
it off as God's will. Soulless, spineless creatures scurrying the earth under
a constant barrage of attacks, never recognizing they have done this to
themselves. Plenty pitiful.
We are inching ever closer to War each day.
Where is the Peace Movement? (http://russia-insider.com/en/state-department-mutinies-demands-war-vs-russia-over-syria/ri15013)
State Department demands War against Russia. (http://russia-insider.com/en/state-department-mutinies-demands-war-vs-russia-over-syria/ri15013)
The arrogance, hubris and just plain stupidity demonstrated
by the U.S. and The West as they push for War is beyond
reason and common sense. It is taking place just as the
Prophecies within The Book have predicted. It is foretold
that Damascus will be reduced to rubble and until now it
was difficult to imagine how that might happen.
It is possible that Damascus will be nuked by The West
as a desperation move to incite war to kick-start a dying
economy. Millions of innocent humans will be "sacrificed"
as the U.S. stirs up confrontation in order to cement its
control over the Entire Planet.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 12, 2016, 12:23:12 AM
"It takes politicians who've never created new wealth to use the law to steal existing wealth.
--Author unknown to me[/size]
--From an internet page on quotes of stealing
"Politicians are non-productive workers."
--My own adage, insofar as I know.
This is a religiously oriented site, but this time, they're right:
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/57869-the-stock-market-crash-of-2016-stocks-have-already-crashed-in-6-of-the-world-s-8-largest-economies
Right. I can see this myself, as well. It looks like the next downturn has started. I don't know if these countries can do the "rabbit-out-of-the-hat" routine and save their national economies. Or, at least, halt the coming freefall. We'll see.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on June 17, 2016, 10:32:47 PM
This is a religiously oriented site, but this time, they're right:
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/57869-the-stock-market-crash-of-2016-stocks-have-already-crashed-in-6-of-the-world-s-8-largest-economies (http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/57869-the-stock-market-crash-of-2016-stocks-have-already-crashed-in-6-of-the-world-s-8-largest-economies)
Right. I can see this myself, as well. It looks like the next downturn has started. I don't know if these countries can do the "rabbit-out-of-the-hat" routine and save their national economies. Or, at least, halt the coming freefall. We'll see.
--Lee
As you'll see below in the provided 'web address, the Chinese are in a long-term slowdown that won't end until they totally revamp their economy by legal means---which they're hardly willing to do. This is going ALL the way down to NOTHING at the bottom.
http://chinaworker.info/en/2016/07/04/12975/ (http://chinaworker.info/en/2016/07/04/12975/)[/font][/size]
--Lee
Its been a couple of months since I posted anything here.I agree that China is in a long term slowdown.I have been busy doing other things.Had a good month in May.I have been involved with an energy project and got to be on video for two minutes.What they do with it is up to them.triffid
Right now everyone wants to talk about the Brits leaving the EU.Once the smoke clears everyone will find out that they are still alive.And kicking! triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 05, 2016, 10:56:15 AM
Its been a couple of months since I posted anything here.I agree that China is in a long term slowdown.I have been busy doing other things.Had a good month in May.I have been involved with an energy project and got to be on video for two minutes.What they do with it is up to them.triffid
I told one or two Members on this site that this was something that could work:
http://cdn.instructables.com/FM3/0WX1/GZCITSON/FM30WX1GZCITSON.LARGE.gif
I said any number of right-side tower coils would produce any amount of power. Another Member said adding coils and power takeoff connections would begin loading down the power supply by electromagnet integrated entrainment. Like a parallel output to a load that goes to several batteries.
However, the pictured example isn't physically connected to the power supply. I don't really know, since I don't have the means to do bench test research. My question is: Will a resonant electromagnetic field actually load down a power by adding more output takeoff coils to batteries with diodes and caps. No physical connection. Who has personal experience?
--Lee
Quote from: triffid on July 05, 2016, 10:58:48 AM
Right now everyone wants to talk about the Brits leaving the EU.Once the smoke clears everyone will find out that they are still alive.And kicking! triffid
The pound Sterling still appears to be falling. We'll see. I had the thought that the
One World Odor pundits especially wanted no borders in order to control the populace(?) in a variety of countries...????
Just my opinion. Who has more info.?
--Lee
I spent this morning reading how things will go south when the feds start raising interest rates again.Sept or Dec take your pick.triffid
Quote from: triffid on July 12, 2016, 09:47:01 AM
I spent this morning reading how things will go south when the feds start raising interest rates again.Sept or Dec take your pick.triffid
One way or another, take your pick. Look at the big cities with poor people at the end of their rope, in more than way. If someone thinks he or she has nothing to lose, he or she can become very dangerous.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 12, 2016, 05:10:22 PM
One way or another, take your pick. Look at the big cities with poor people at the end of their rope, in more than one way. If someone thinks he or she has nothing to lose, he or she can become very dangerous.
--Lee
In keeping with occasional reporting posts by myself:
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/investing/these-three-investing-legends-are-warning-of-another-market-crash/
So, now, as I said before, the collapse is coming. More and more. I honestly see that the S.F. street traffic is lighter (!!!!!) and the local library patronage is lighter. There are better days, sure, but the average is lower in amount and the frequency is less.
That's what I can tell you now, but it's worse than that. Because of my job, I have information not available to the general public.
The country is in a downward spiral.--Lee
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/avoiding-us-gift-taxes-estate-capital-gains-offshore-companies-tax?trk=pulse_spock-articles One of the reasons our country is going down.Lots of companies avoiding taxes.triffid
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 06, 2016, 12:47:17 AM
I told one or two Members on this site that this was something that could work:
http://cdn.instructables.com/FM3/0WX1/GZCITSON/FM30WX1GZCITSON.LARGE.gif (http://cdn.instructables.com/FM3/0WX1/GZCITSON/FM30WX1GZCITSON.LARGE.gif)
Who has personal experience?
This is close to what you have there http://home.dmv.com/~tbastian/ball.htm (http://home.dmv.com/~tbastian/ball.htm)
except they are trying to produce artificial ball lightning.
Quote"And bit by bit what is perceived (https://www.google.com/search?q=perceived&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjC-6DegbHOAhUG5SYKHZnABpcQvwUIGygA)? the illusion persists"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxTHeyKuXGw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxTHeyKuXGw)
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 26, 2016, 01:52:57 PM
In keeping with occasional reporting posts by myself:
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/investing/these-three-investing-legends-are-warning-of-another-market-crash/ (http://www.canadianbusiness.com/investing/these-three-investing-legends-are-warning-of-another-market-crash/)
So, now, as I said before, the collapse is coming. More and more. I honestly see that the S.F. street traffic is lighter (!!!!!) and the local library patronage is lighter. There are better days, sure, but the average is lower in amount and the frequency is less.
That's what I can tell you now, but it's worse than that. Because of my job, I have information not available to the general public.
The country is in a downward spiral.
Since the day one (September of 2009) you see everything in dark colors. And since the day one you suggest it is the result of present administration's bad presidency. Within a hundred years, there is a chance that one day you'll finally (maybe) reach your predictions.
SO WOLF HARRIS GOT SLAP WITH A 15 YEARS SENTENCE FOR FUCKING SOME UNDER AGE GIRLS
SOME 30 YEARS AGO RIGHT .I AM A CATHOLIC WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HEAR A PRIEST GOT
THE SAME FOR SCREWING LITTLE BOYS..SO YOU RECKON SHIT IS GOING TO HIT THE FAN , I AM
SORRY TO TELL YOU ALL FUCKWITS, IT HIT THE FANS 2016 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY MURDER
THE MOST WONDERFUL MAN EVER ON THIS PLANET. ALL HE WAS DOING IS BEARING WITNESS TO
THE TRUTH..NOW DO YOU ALL THINK YOU ARE THE PROPHETS OF FINANCIAL DOOM, WE ARE ALL FUCKED
ALL MAYBE THE POOR BASTARDS WHO HAVE NEVER EVER HEARD THE MESSAGE..THE MESSAGE IS LOVE YOUR
EVERY LIVING ENTITY AS YOU LOVE YOURSELVES..AS SIMPLE AS THAT .. A RIDDLE FOR YOU ALL .. WHAT IS SO EASY TO
AND YET SO BLOODY HARD TO DO.. THE ANSWER IS ABOVE..
The disaster has already begun. We may be getting what we
have come to deserve...
The global economy will likely not recover from the next financial collapse. It's got so messed up the only way out might be to scrap the entire system and endure the chaos. Most of the general public have a very weak or no understanding of how the Banking system works. People here are complaining that the banks are not passing on the interest rate cut implemented by the Reserve bank. They do not understand that the interest rate set by the Reserve bank is the price they charge for money, to make a profit the banks have to charge a bit more.
Inflation is not rising fast enough, the system is geared for maximum profits. It's all backwards when it's looked at with sanity. It must fail, there is no way out. Interest rates are almost at zero. The people who can afford to own real estate want real estate prices to rise so their investments gain worth, but if the average young person ever wants to be able to own their own home without having to borrow huge sums of money then work like a dog to pay it off then the price of real estate must fall while interest rates remain low. For most to have any hope laws need to be passed to prevent people from using Homes as a way to generate income. Everybody needs to have a home to live at, and it should not be so prohibitive to buy or build one to own. Being forced to rent is a form of slavery.
One solution would be to pass laws to prohibit people from renting houses (not flats or units) to other people, that would cause the price of houses to fall and become available for people to buy. Some people would lose a lot of money, but if you buy a house to live in then what it is worth does not matter. I see that as the only way to bring home ownership back to the masses.
I see a grim near future.
..
I don't know what things are like there in Oz, but here in the US, no corporate fiction (14th Amendment Citizen) owns anything. You can buy a home, but you don't own it. You can buy a car, but you don't own it. You don't even own what you would call your children. The money in our wallet is owned by the Federal Reserve. Everything is owned by the State. Look up the Latin definitions of Residence and Domicile. The difference is clear.
The head guy at this website http://republicbroadcasting.org/ has spent the last 25 years of his life trying to educate people what is going on and how this mess all happened. Funny thing is, you can't go to that website from a Corporate network, it's blocked. The insiders know what is going on; they do not want anyone else figuring it out. Lee knows; he can't/won't tell you. I know, but I had to dig and scratch for it.
Read these two books then tell me what it will take to turn things around.
http://www.strawmanstory.info/
http://www.newpeopleorder.com/
What really sucks is this all goes WAY back. Then you have to ask yourself, what is it really you want to go back to? Some would be happy just following the Constitution with a democratic republic and a sound money system. Others want to go back to the Articles of Confederation.
You see, it's nearly impossible for people that understand the problem to even agree on what it is they would be willing to fight and die for.
To put it simply, we're screwed. There's no going back to "the good ol' days".
It's a lot like falling into a black hole; there's no telling whether we will even get through it or not and if we do, what things will be like. One needs to lose their fear, hold on tight and try to land on their feet the best they can. When it's over, it's over. There isn't a lot of sense dwelling on it.
@SeaMonkey
Here's a quote. Think about it very seriously and thoughtful in the context of the movie. These seven words when fully comprehended, changes everything.
"Deserves got nothing to do with it."
Will Munny -- The Unforgiven
Dog-One,
Somehow I missed seeing that Movie. I'll have to look for
it on DVD.
Roger Ebert did a review back in '02:
Quote from: Roger Ebert
There is one exchange in the movie that has long stayed with me.
After he is fatally wounded, Little Bill says, "I don't deserve this.
To die like this. I was building a house." And Munny says,
"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."
Actually, deserve has everything to do with it, and although Ned
Logan and Delilah do not get what they deserve, William Munny
sees that the others do. That implacable moral balance, in which
good eventually silences evil, is at the heart of the Western, and
Eastwood is not shy about saying so.
Quote from: SeaMonkey
Somehow I missed seeing that Movie. I'll have to look for
it on DVD.
Well worth your time unlike most media. Each time you watch it, you'll pick up on something different. After several years and several viewings, a deep meaning starts to foster in your mind. I suspect you will recognize it.
Quote from: SeaMonkey
Roger Ebert did a review back in '02:
Roger missed the point.
When a thought transitions through a decision and into intent, it carries with it the full force of the Universe. There's a big difference in saying someone deserved it and just doing it because it must be done. In the movie when Will made the decision to kill Little Bill, his intent became self evident, a universal truth. The Schofield Kid recognized that intent immediately as did everyone at Greeley's when Will walked in. This is why just prior to pulling the trigger on Ned's rifle as he aimed it at Little Bill's head he said, "Deserves got nothin' to do with it." Will did like a robot and followed through with his intent. It must be done, or as some call it simply, "a must be".
Animals can sense intent at great distances and with zero time delay, a superluminal force. It is this same force in respect to this thread we are up against. The decision has been made and the intent of what this world will become is nearly unstoppable unless...
All of us decide and put forth an equal and opposite intent. This is war at every level of our mortality, including metaphysical. Every creature on this planet that wants a part in the outcome must form the intention that enough is enough and that we all will stop this force that wishes to derail our future. I can do this for myself, but do the math, it's not going to be equal and opposite. Alone I will lose.
You see why I have the feeling we are screwed. I can also sense intent and I'm not feeling the numbers are there to push off this dark cloud. Too many seem to either be on the wrong side of the fence or are still sitting on the fence. If they won't engage they'll soon discover the error of their ways. As this story unfolds, I hope to feel the intent multiply as some determine the point of no return is here. Let's hope their "Will" is strong and their numbers abundant.
By the way, The Unforgiven isn't the only movie of Clint Eastwood where intent is prevalent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ishbTwXf1g :)
Quote from: seychelles on August 08, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
(snip)
Thank you, seychelles, for that literary religious exercise in the previous paragraph. I keep religion out of this thread because I'm a Jew, and I don't proselyte any religion. Jews don't. (There's a reason for that.)
Quote
I AM A CATHOLIC WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HEAR A PRIEST GOT THE SAME FOR SCREWING LITTLE BOYS..SO YOU RECKON SHIT IS GOING TO HIT THE FAN...
You know about this personally? And do nothing? Because you think it happens all the time? That's one reason I'm not a Catholic. Jewish Rabbis do marry and have children.
Quote
, I AM SORRY TO TELL YOU ALL FUCKWITS, IT HIT THE FANS 2016 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY MURDER(ed) THE MOST WONDERFUL MAN EVER ON THIS PLANET. ALL HE WAS DOING IS BEARING WITNESS TO THE TRUTH.
You blame our possible ancestors for that. I. Didn't. Do. That. THEY. DID.
A significant number of Europeans and Americans are derived from a few Palestinians who journeyed to Europe. Oh, and if I'm a "FUCKWIT", and I'm probably ethnically related to you, then what does that make you? Were ALL of your ancient ancient ancestors so righteous id King David said, "There is no good man; no not one", in the Song of David?
You the one swearing vulgarity at everyone looking at this thread.
Now, take a look at this:
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13537-shekinah#anchor4 (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13537-shekinah#anchor4My) My question (I postulate?), is this:
Is Shekhinah capable of being born into a human body if She thinks it's necessary? Say, Jesus' Body? HER ONLY SON? Would He be good enough to be worthy of being Her Host? He did actually imply, (Paraphraised, admittedly): "Only by Me can you reach heaven." The statement should be in both the New Testament and the Tanach of the Jews. Seychelles may not believe that if he's being lied to by the devil.
Oh, seychelles, I know what I know, and I'm doing the best I can in life. Is this fair to you?
If Shekhinah incarnated to Jesus' body, and She was aware of what She was saying with words in the first person point of view with Her self-awareness, THAT would make sense, since Her awareness was as clear as any person's. If She was mentally Shekhinah, then she could have said, only by She Herself, would anyone gain Heaven.
I don't expect to be believed or answered to my assertion, above.
Quote
.NOW DO YOU ALL THINK YOU ARE THE PROPHETS OF FINANCIAL DOOM, WE ARE ALL FUCKED
ALL MAYBE THE POOR BASTARDS WHO HAVE NEVER EVER HEARD THE MESSAGE..THE MESSAGE IS LOVE YOUR EVERY LIVING ENTITY AS YOU LOVE YOURSELVES..AS SIMPLE AS THAT .. A RIDDLE FOR YOU ALL .. WHAT IS SO EASY TO AND YET SO BLOODY HARD TO DO.. THE ANSWER IS ABOVE..
I had to read that last paragraph twice to be sure I read it (like you intended?)
Honestly, seychelles, you come across like a hypocrite, with a contrary, double-standard attitude.
With the attitude you just displayed, (paraphraised for clarity) "Love others as you do yourself."
I heard the same message from others. Right? Your attitude implies otherwise. "MAYBE THE POOR BASTARDS..." "THE MESSAGE IS LOVE YOUR EVERY LIVING ENTITY AS YOU LOVE YOURSELVES."
"WHAT IS SO EASY, BUT IS SO HARD TO DO?" Your answer? What is it??
Do you really need to use that strident language? I don't. Why do you really need to do that?
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 09, 2016, 03:34:24 PM
I heard the same message from others. Right? Your attitude implies otherwise. "MAYBE THE POOR BASTARDS..." "THE MESSAGE IS LOVE YOUR EVERY LIVING ENTITY AS YOU LOVE YOURSELVES."
"WHAT IS SO EASY, BUT IS SO HARD TO DO?" Your answer? What is it??
Do you really need to use that strident language? I don't. Why do you really need to do that?
Before I leave this thread, I'll say that I know full well why I get a VERY cool reception from the
Overunity.com crowd lately. It's been happening for awhile, now.
Since I'm a Native American, I have Traditional ways of receiving spiritual information as personal communications. Something else: I work for an 'Outfit' and I have a high security clearance.
The thing is, nobody lies to me or hides the truth from me, either. I'm being watched by my supervisors, including on this page here at OU.com If they watch me, they watch you, too. Yes(?), you don't like that much? (I'm only writing to a few who read this thread.)
Not only that, my supervisors can talk to your 'supervisors' and
you as well. Right. Everyone has a file/dossier. EVERYONE. I'm giving the 'Co.' what they want, and they're nice to me. I don't have to starve in an expensive town like S.F. They'll see that I don't.
You schmucks (seychelles, for one), aren't as highly favored. Here's an example, in keeping with the subject of this thread: Larger and larger scale warfare is about to erupt worldwide. The Ukraine is a bad hotspot that's about to boil over to surrounding countries. Yep, really. I have a foolproof escape plan for when the whole shebang falls apart---like I said at the start of this whole thread. Do you have such a plan? 100% workable? Or not? You can find out if I have the truth when few of you are TOLD about it by those who WANT to tell you.
That's all I have time for. Will return later for more. REPLY IF YOU WANT TO.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m
The Ukraine is a bad hotspot that's about to boil over to surrounding countries. Yep, really.
Aye, you can say that again. Very soon.
The U.S. is hell-bent on war and more war.
Times are desperate for the Neo-Cons who have
made it very clear that they
want it ALL...Destroying the U.S. is also an essential part of their
wicked, iniquitous plot. The
CITY OF LONDONis making all of the arrangements.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 11, 2016, 12:44:49 AM
"Aye, you can say that again. Very soon."
And it's not just the Ukraine. For example; thusly...
http://www.benzinga.com/media/cnbc/16/08/8333399/marc-faber-joins-procession-of-prominent-bears-calling-for-market-crash (http://www.benzinga.com/media/cnbc/16/08/8333399/marc-faber-joins-procession-of-prominent-bears-calling-for-market-crash)
Right, so now:
I know this is more of the same warnings again and again... But, stock crashes have happened in the past and the Grandaddy of them was the American Stock Crash of '29. They were speculating then with margin calling to bet if the individual prices would still rise, even when they got WAAAAAY overvalued toward the end.
About the same thing is happening again with A LOT more money now. $Trillions will be lost. And it's simply paper money in 8 1/2 X 11's, anyway, as mere notations on a sheet of paper that simply says the money is there. Numbers on a computer hard drive and that's it. Without being backed in gold reserves.
Stock up on food and gun ammo.
With guns that work well. ASAP.
"The U.S. is hell-bent on war and more war."(Well, the Russians are worse.) They invaded Finland in the 50's or 60's---I do know that. They're worse. They're paranoid as hell and they'll do anything to protect their borders---including annexing other country's territories.
"Times are desperate for the Neo-Cons who have
made it very clear that they want it ALL..."
If you mean the Communists(?), I'd say you're right.
Destroying the U.S. is also an essential part of their
wicked, iniquitous plot. The CITY OF LONDON
is making all of the arrangements. Indeed. I was warned of this by a schoolteacher in grade school, and I never forgot his message. He had the truth, and that was 50-55 years ago. His warning holds true today.
--Lee
I'm not worried at all about Russia today. It has moved
far away from its Soviet Bolshevik past and has entered
into a modus operandi of True Statesmanship.
The Neo-Cons are indeed Communists (Marxists) who
have spear-headed the Trance-Formation of the U.S. into
a modern day replica of the old Soviet Union. That has
always, in fact, been the PLAN.
Hillary has many problems. Very serious problems.
Yet the Obedient Mainstream Media maintains silence
as they follow orders from the Oligarchs to promote her
full-time. America at the "top of the pyramid" is terminally
ill.
Margot Kidder says it well. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=137802)
Quote from: the article
There is something I am going to try and explain here after watching the
Democratic National Convention this evening that will invite the scorn
of many of my friends. But the words are gagging my throat and my
stomach is twisted and sick and I have to vomit this out.
The anti-americanism in me is about to explode and land god knows
where as my rage is well beyond reason. And I, by heritage, half
American in a way that makes me "more" American than almost anyone
else in this country except for the true Americans, the American Indians,
am in utter denial tonight that I am, as you are, American as well.
I am half Canadian, I was brought up there, with very different values
than you Americans hold, and tonight — after the endless spit ups and
boasts and rants about the greatness of American militarism, and praise
for American military strength, and boasts about wiping out ISIS, and
America being the strongest country on earth, and an utterly inane story
from a woman whose son died in Obama's war, about how she got to cry
in gratitude on Obama's shoulder — tonight I feel deeply Canadian.
Every subtle lesson I was ever subliminally given about the bullies across
the border and their rudeness and their lack of education and their self-given
right to bomb whoever they wanted in the world for no reason other than
that they wanted something the people in the other country had, and their
greed, came oozing to the surface of my psyche.
I just got back from a rather fierce walk beside the Yellowstone River
here in Montana, trying to let the mountains in the distance reconnect me
to some place of goodness in my soul, but I couldn't find it. The scenery
was as exquisite as ever, but it just couldn't touch the rage in my heart.
The visions of all the dead children in Syria that Hillary Clinton helped to
kill; the children bombed to bits in Afghanistan and Pakistan from Obama's
drones, the grisly chaos of Libya, the utter wasteland of Iraq, the death and
destruction everywhere caused by American military intervention. The
Ukraine, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile, you name it — your
country has bombed it or destroyed its civilian life in some basic way.
(Read the complete article at the link above)
Has America hit the bottom of the pit yet? If not, it can't be far off.
OK who is this third runner for the presidency ? An "ex" CIA guy ? With another republican in the mix then that would almost surely guarantee Killary gets elected pres, even if it became public fact that her head was actually a pumpkin she would still win. I think U.S. citizens and everyone else needs to come to grips with the absolute corruption and rigged system of the presidential campaigns. As a political process it is bizarre to say the least. How long does the entire process last ? long enough to wear down people to a point of resignation in the futility of ever being able to elect a true politician, only despicable corrupted low lives have any chance. heaven help humanity. Common sense help humanity maybe there isn't much that can help at this stage of the game.
Quote from: FarmHand
...maybe there isn't much that can help at this stage of the game.
I fear there is not. America seems to be
at the end of its rope. It long ago shit-canned
whatever was good about it in the past in order
to pursue the game of World Domination.
Will "Justice" be done or will "Just-US" prevail once again?
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 15, 2016, 01:05:05 AM
Will "Justice" be done or will "Just-US" prevail once again?
OK, I agree with you on that point. I also have this:
http://www.businessinsider.com/deutsche-bank-stock-market-collapse-fiscal-stimulus-2016-8
Everyone's economy will be in "hurtin' " status in due course. World Domination won't enter the picture if too many people to be counted are starving without power and basic services from the Gov't. It's only to look to the future to arrive at very serious consequences that these things happen.
The whole world will be involved in the "economic meltdown".
--Lee
Very unfortunately, there is no way to "fix" the present
system which is based upon "Debt Notes" and Usury.
The Central Banks are "weapons" in the hands of those
Elite Families who own and control them. Economic
Disasters are but one of the ways they cause things to
happen. The "collapses" which occur periodically are
made to happen for their benefit. They want it all.
Fortunately, their time is getting short. In the coming New
World we will have honesty, integrity, transparency and
a complete lack of wicked money-lenders.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 16, 2016, 07:00:01 PM
In the coming New
World we will have honesty, integrity, transparency and
a complete lack of wicked money-lenders.
History teaches us that any political or economic system will fail eventually. Just wait long enough and every doomsday prediction will come true.
Unfortunately money-lending or debt was always invented again and again. Humans are money-lenders at least since 5000 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years
So, over and over again everything will change, but money-lending will be back every time.
There is no trade without debt and the powerful will always enslave the weak by debt.
There is always a New World, but it is always inhabited by the same people. Therefore the New World is always in essence the Old World.
Greetings, Conrad
hello. the economic disaster begun many years ago, when americans gave up the gold value of their money... that was in the 1970s, if I recall it well...
You're right, Conradelectro: the so-called New World targets are never achievable when DEMOCRACY rules. Paradoxicaly, we need a kind of TYRANNY to get there.
QuoteMargot Kidder — CounterPunch July 29, 2016
There is something I am going to try and explain here after watching the Democratic National Convention this evening that will invite the scorn of many of my friends. But the words are gagging my throat and my stomach is twisted and sick and I have to vomit this out. The anti-americanism in me is about to explode and land god knows where as my rage is well beyond reason. And I, by heritage, half American in a way that makes me "more" American than almost anyone else in this country except for the true Americans, the American Indians, am in utter denial tonight that I am, as you are, American as well.
I am half Canadian, I was brought up there, with very different values than you Americans hold, and tonight — after the endless spit ups and boasts and rants about the greatness of American militarism, and praise for American military strength, and boasts about wiping out ISIS, and America being the strongest country on earth, and an utterly inane story from a woman whose son died in Obama's war, about how she got to cry in gratitude on Obama's shoulder — tonight I feel deeply Canadian. Every subtle lesson I was ever subliminally given about the bullies across the border and their rudeness and their lack of education and their self-given right to bomb whoever they wanted in the world for no reason other than that they wanted something the people in the other country had, and their greed, came oozing to the surface of my psyche.
I just got back from a rather fierce walk beside the Yellowstone River here in Montana, trying to let the mountains in the distance reconnect me to some place of goodness in my soul, but I couldn't find it. The scenery was as exquisite as ever, but it just couldn't touch the rage in my heart. The visions of all the dead children in Syria that Hillary Clinton helped to kill; the children bombed to bits in Afghanistan and Pakistan from Obama's drones, the grisly chaos of Libya, the utter wasteland of Iraq, the death and destruction everywhere caused by American military intervention. The Ukraine, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile, you name it — your country has bombed it or destroyed its civilian life in some basic way.
When I heard all the Americans cheering for the military and the pronouncements of might coming from the speakers in the Wells Fargo Centre, I loathed you. I loathed every single one of you. I knew in my gut that what I was taught as a child was true, which is that YOU are the enemy. YOU are the country to be feared. YOU are the country to be disgusted by. YOU are ignorant. And your greed and self-satisfaction and unearned pride knows no bounds.
I am not an American tonight. I reject my Puritan ancestors who landed in this country in 1648. I reject the words I voiced at my citizenship ceremony. I reject every moment of thrilling discovery I ever had in this country.
You people have no idea what it is like for people from other countries to hear you boast and cheer for your guns and your bombs and your soldiers and your murderous military leaders and your war criminals and your murdering and conscienceless Commander in Chief. All those soaring words are received by the rest of us, by us non-Americans, by all the cells in our body, as absolutely repugnant and obscene.
And there you all are tonight, glued to your TVs and your computers, your hearts swelled with pride because you belong to the strongest country on Earth, cheering on your Murderer President. Ignorant of the entire world's repulsion. You kill and you kill and you kill, and still you remain proud.
As a Canadian I have had similar feelings when visiting the U.S. and most seemed to look normal enough until they open their mouth. At which point I understood we are very different people and we do not champion death, destruction and greed. It is in fact everything we in Canada stand against it's just that generally speaking we are too polite to say we think your all Whacko.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on August 17, 2016, 12:29:05 PM
As a Canadian I have had similar feelings when visiting the U.S. and most seemed to look normal enough until they open their mouth. At which point I understood we are very different people and we do not champion death, destruction and greed. It is in fact everything we in Canada stand against it's just that generally speaking we are too polite to say we think your all Whacko.
Your self-righteousness easily beats any US citizen. I have been to Canada and the USA and in principle I could only find more or less the same people (like anywhere on the world).
I do not try to be politically correct. But the big surprise (once I started travelling to many countries, and I worked in six different countries on three continents) was the similarity of human failure and kindness everywhere.
Of course, "the other country" is always worse than "the own country", naturally. You have no idea how good, intelligent and kind the people in Austria are. Austria is the model of goodness. Austrians are too polite to tell that, but the world knows it anyway.
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: Qwert on August 17, 2016, 10:33:47 AM
You're right, Conradelectro: the so-called New World targets are never achievable when DEMOCRACY rules. Paradoxicaly, we need a kind of TYRANNY to get there.
DEMOCRACY is well disguised TYRANNY. Clever tyrants declare democracy. Stupid tyrants rule by force. Clever tyrants hide behind rigged public votes.
Democracy is a dream like freedom and justice. One can strive for democracy, freedom and justice, but it can not be reached.
Just imagine what should be done to you if the world was just? Do you deserve what you have amassed? Should you be punished for what you have done to others? Are you free of sin?
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on August 15, 2016, 06:51:31 PM
OK, I agree with you on that point. I also have this:
http://www.businessinsider.com/deutsche-bank-stock-market-collapse-fiscal-stimulus-2016-8 (http://www.businessinsider.com/deutsche-bank-stock-market-collapse-fiscal-stimulus-2016-8)
Everyone's economy will be in "hurtin' " status in due course. World Domination won't enter the picture if too many people to be counted are starving without power and basic services from the Gov't. It's only to look to the future to arrive at very serious consequences that these things happen.
The whole world will be involved in the "economic meltdown".
There's something else:
One of the Members indicated that he thought the American Gov't was hell-bent on worldwide takeover. He also said he wasn't fearful of Russia.
You realize? Alexander the Great tried to conquer Asia and after his army won enough battles, surviving opposing fighters would run ahead of his army, warn whomever they met along the way, and then those populations would raise
their own armies and give
his army ever more resistance. Worldwide takeover is impossible. Too many people will hate whomever tries with a real passion.
This is absolutely correct:
http://overunity.com/8010/i-see-an-economic-diasater-coming/4170/#.V7SkktL2a1s
Posted Reply #4181
Time's almost up on this computer.
Will return.
-Lee
@Conrad
QuoteYour self-righteousness easily beats any US citizen. I have been to Canada and the USA and in principle I could only find more or less the same people (like anywhere on the world).[/size]
If you mean moral superiority then maybe you are correct in some small way. You see in Canada unlike the U.S. we did not illegally invade multiple sovereign countries to plunder there resources for profit without justification, we did not carpet bomb millions of civilians (women and children) into oblivion nor did we randomly execute them. We did not illegally detain thousands without legal council in violation of international law and we did not continuously torture these illegal detainee's and then debate the fucking virtues of torture in our parliament. As you can imagine I have a slight problem with this psychotic if not cowardice behavior unbecoming of real men of any moral conviction.
You see all of these acts are considered illegal or war crimes in Canada and if any politician here in this day and age so much as implied that randomly carpet bombing civilians and torture were in any way acceptable they would find themselves unemployed overnight. This is why our former Prime Minister and the Conservative Party were decimated in the last election?. We unanimously rejected this psychotic behavior and the American way they promoted and if you see this as self-righteousness then so be it... I'm okay with that. Any people any where can say and believe whatever they choose however we will be judged by what we do... not what we say, what we do, as in what we have actually done in reality.
QuoteI do not try to be politically correct. But the big surprise (once I started travelling to many countries, and I worked in six different countries on three continents) was the similarity of human failure and kindness everywhere.
The truth is not how we act in front of others nor what we would have them believe. The truth is the stuff you tell your best friends when you think nobody else is listening. The truth is all that bizarre shit you do when you think nobody else is looking. The truth is a crowd of strong and courageous people and then a car backfires in the distance and everyone is under the tables except for two... who are courageous. The truth is thousands of caring people filled with empathy travelling along a highway and all pass by that stranded car but only one stops...who cares.
People are always everything that it good and right and just in this world however seldom if ever who they appear to be when it comes time to prove their convictions in reality.
AC
While you are running us down, think about what it would be like for your great country
to actually be part of Japan or Germany. Sometimes close proximity comes in handy.
AC, the problem is that our countries both yours and mine Australia are allies to the US and our governments bend to the will of US foreign policy.
Our countries both take part in Afghanistan and Iraq ect. I think the line is drawn at the point of the original interference in the engineering of these conflicts, I think that is all the US and Israel (CIA and Mossad).
Many here participate in group think and fall victim to mass media lies and propaganda.
ie. We just had a census (it is a real mess online form problems) beside the point, one of the fear campaigns run on facebook was that even if people are non religious they should mark a religion other than Muslim (preferably Christian), the fear campaign says that all Muslims will mark Muslim and if too many people mark no religion then the country will become a Muslim country and Sharia law will be implemented. It's so silly it is almost beyond belief that people buy into it but they do.
Muslims make up only a small percentage of the population most likely less than 5%. It cannot happen. People should tell the truth. Many people who have never been to church and are not Christians think that the denomination they were allotted as children (Catholic, Baptist ect.) is their religion, but it isn't.
Besides there is supposed to be separation of religion and state, but that is obviously not the case, many politicians are (pretend Christians), they swear on the bible and say they are Christians but they do not behave as such.
I am not a religious person. In my opinion there should be freedom to believe whatever people want but it should be all kept private. All religions should lose their tax free status and preaching should be illegal. No decision of government should take any religious beliefs into account at all. It should be a non issue. There should be no Church bells ringing and no (calls to prayer) by loudspeaker.
In a non religious country/state there should be no allowances for religion to encroach on anyone's rights or freedoms to live without the nagging of religious jibber jabber, I have yet to have a Muslim come to my door to try to preach to me but I have had many Christians. Lately I ask them to write on a piece of paper their name and address, when they ask why I say it is because they now know where I live so it is only fair they tell me where they live so that I can go to their house and preach to them. They try to ignore the request but they end up talking to a very angry man or a closed door. As a sane adult I do not need religious people trying to tell me what is and what isn't.
I say that all religions should have all special privileges taken away. and all mention of religion should be banned from all sittings of government after that is achieved.
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Quote from: conradelektro on August 17, 2016, 01:14:47 PM
DEMOCRACY is well disguised TYRANNY. Clever tyrants declare democracy. Stupid tyrants rule by force. Clever tyrants hide behind rigged public votes.
..........
Greetings, Conrad
Our world is in the hands of very very greedy people since 6000 years ago - which date they consider to be the very beginning of (their) history of mankind. They removed by brute force the ancient benevolent civilisation of old Europe based on matriarchy and since then we fight against each other for survival, having kings, emperors and governments as world rulers. Source: http://graviflight.eu/evolution.html
Although I was raised in the U.S. and went to school there, I was not born there.
I never understood what the "pledging allegiance to the flag", was all about.
Now, I know... It should have been, pledging obedience to the flag, instead.
You can't even, not go to school. Where's the freedom, there.
Then later, you work away like a slave to pay your bills, and debts.
Then give half of your hard earned pay back to the government in taxes?
@camelherder
QuoteWhile you are running us down, think about what it would be like for your great country
to actually be part of Japan or Germany. Sometimes close proximity comes in handy.
I would point out that the U.S. did not win WW2 alone and there were 30 other countries involved including Canada which actually won the war as a team effort. As such everyone should be as grateful to ourselves as well as everyone else involved that made these great sacrifices.
I would also point out that the last time a hostile foreign nation (the U.S.) tried to cross the Canadian border in the war of 1812 we kicked their ass so in fact the score is Canada 1, U.S. zero, lol.
Think about what it would be like for your great country to actually be part of Canada if we were not so considerate and only kicked your ass back home, lol.
AC
If you truly believe that, your problem is deeper than can be fixed,
@camelherder
QuoteIf you truly believe that, your problem is deeper than can be fixed,
What I wrote was a statement of fact found in any history book.
1)The U.S. did not win WW2 alone and it was obviously a team effort by all the allied forces... period, end of debate.
2)Canada has never lost a war to any foreign army which crossed it's border hence the reason we are Canadian and not American, French or British. To my knowledge this only happened once in our history and we won and you lost, deal with it.
Which of these facts do you have a problem with?.
I'm just having some fun getting people worked up because they like to get worked up over silly stuff.
Here's a question though, If you were American and you were offered a permanent high paying job in Canada and took it. Then lived here for let's say 10-15 years are you now inferior, are you now wrong about most things and are you fundamentally different?. Well no that's just silly because were talking about geography so why would anyone assume everyone else is fundamentally different?. Obviously crossing an imaginary line does not make one any better or any worse than anyone else and the argument is absurd.
AC
Hillary Clinton, the Neo-Con Chosenite to be the next
president of Corporation U.S., has apparently been tasked
by George Soros to bring about the much needed World
War 3. (https://off-guardian.org/2016/08/08/the-renewed-call-for-war-in-syria-is-coming-be-ready/)
(Be sure to scroll down to the comments below the article.)
"Clowns to the left of me; jokers to the right."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q
"So here I am", SeaMonkey, "stuck in the middle with you".
:)
Aye, great song. Great performance. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q)
It was great then. :) Even more-so today. 8)
Bein' stuck in the middle is not such a bad place. ;)
We're in good company. :)
It is becoming ever clearer why the "Disaster"
is nearly upon us and why it will not be
prevented from occurring:
Leaked Memo proves George Soros engineered
the Coup in The Ukraine. (http://theduran.com/leaked-memo-proves-george-soros-ruled-ukraine-in-2014-minutes-from-breakfast-with-us-ambassador-geoffrey-pyatt/)
Alex Jones attempts to alert Americans about
Neo-Con rush to war. (http://russia-insider.com/en/alex-jones-analyzes-uss-march-war-russia-and-china-video/ri16072?utm_source=Russia+Insider+Daily+Headlines&utm_campaign=6fc1d61787-Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c626db089c-6fc1d61787-227206621&ct=t%28Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2014%29&mc_cid=6fc1d61787&mc_eid=fb17bc7680)
Dirty Tricks of the Hillary Clinton machine in an
effort to divert attention from her criminal acts. (http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/how-ukrainian-oligarch-ny-times-and-clintons-toppled-trumps-campaign-manager/ri16071)
Bottom Line: The City of London (the one mile
square) is pulling the strings. (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/dollar-disaster-looms-as-china-and-russias-currencies-break-away/) The "Disaster"
is necessary in order to fully establish the
coming New World Order...
The coming New World Order will be a system of
slavery. Humankind must be re-molded to conform
to the new societal structure of Master (the Elites
who will have wealth and power) and the Slave
(all others whose job is to serve the Master.)
The process of the Trance-Formation of humankind
has been in progress for quite a long time. It has
been done gradually with the breaking down of
national cultures by wars and other disasters. The
People must be made to become dependent upon
the Master for their very survival.
This is how it is done.
(http://henrymakow.com/feminism_is_key_to_making_of_a.html)
Europe and the United States of America are now
in the process of being destroyed in order to facilitate
The New Deal.
Thanks SeaMonkey, So many bell's of truth ringing there. Don't forget to include Australia, Canada and every other first world nation like ours. As yet Russia seems to be immune to the Feminist angle ect. Feminism is rife in Australia, government dependence is at the point where if people think something needs changing they simply say the government should spend money and do this or do that ect. ect. No thought goes to where the money might come from and who actually pays. People are asking for more debt. It is very sad.
The lobbying for all the different groups is impressive, it's everywhere, especially the news, movies and tv ads.
I think equal rights between the sexes is good but it must be just that equal. I think equal abilities is just silly, men and women have different natural abilities, different bodies and different chemical balances ect. and should appreciate each other for that.
Freiheit (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiheit), Gleichheit (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichheit), Brüderlichkeit (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%BCderlichkeit)
Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité
Symbol: Le Havre,New York : Miss/Mademoiselle Liberty
included in this philosophy : "Mutter Kirche"/"Mother Church" rom.-catholic
(included "universitas" old expression for University)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_devotions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_devotions)
100 years back : Land-LORD dynasties
Russian Cae´Zar killed (guard of the russian-orthodox church)
Holly German Empirior/Kai´ser abdicated (guard of the rom.-catholic church)
Holly Austrian-Hungarian Empirior/Kai´ser abdicated (guard of the byz.-ortho. church)
The german DR war-ministerium substitute W.Lenin .
Feedback action
Evolution through revolution ( it began in Sarajewo)
currency : silver KarlsV-(Joachim-)Thal-er(Joachimsthal: silver mines)
became the world-currency Thaler=today written Dollar
today the world-currency "Dollar" is paper or mW-input through e-account homebanking
note=Note=Nota=Wechsel=Bond=Debit with the hope that sufficient eco-newbies
do not understand economics
coins with value=money
US-Thaler,Canadian Thaler,Singapur,Australia,HongKong if going back to the silver-standart
one problem today : there are many rich people ,debit-rich people
in material worth overestimated activa,high passiva in the books
estates with high debits,the economy with high debits,
the private household with high debits (education,house,car,inventar,health ...)
liquidity/debit-lever-game
and the population is becoming older
democracy: voting rights and decision freedom for habit change or to stay
if someone wins,other ones have to loose
if other loose,someone is winning
Quote from: allcanadian on August 18, 2016, 01:45:34 AM
You see in Canada unlike the U.S. ...
Hi.
I live in the US. But somehow I never got an idea to read canadian news. I must change this; it must be fun...
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 21, 2016, 03:53:44 PM
Quote
This is how it is done.
(http://henrymakow.com/feminism_is_key_to_making_of_a.html)
Europe and the United States of America are now
in the process of being destroyed in order to facilitate
The New Deal.
Okay, SeaMonkey, I finally understand. It just takes awhile, sometimes.
I finally went through more of the post above and then looked up, Henry Makow", on Google. Makow is a Right-Winger whose message is largely Fascist in nature, yes?
I don't know what the Overunity Moderators think of this kind of Right Wing rhetoric, but it should be up there at the top of the list with religion, IMO.
Tell you what, your tirade against your so-called, gist of the 'American bid for world domination' is impossible for those like you---or anyone else---to attain. And you think Fascists are any better than the American Gov't? There are, IMHO, right-wing elements in the American Gov't overall. They can do what they want, but they'll never get anything like world domination.
I read only one thing in your literary discourse on average, and up 'til now: Like the Fascists, it's..."I want what I want and to hell with everyone else." Fascists are exactly like that in their mindset. I do have some personal experience in this regard.
--Lee
My sole objective within the discussion of the coming
disaster is to expose the lie and discover the Truth.
It is unfortunate that some are uncomfortable with Truth. :o
The West has been "infiltrated" and effectively "taken over"
by a cadre of ruthless, pathological, New World Order zealots.
The New World Order will be a political duplication of what
existed in the Bolshevik Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was
simply a trial run as was the National Socialist government of
Germany. Those trials were implemented and managed by
the same cadre of "Elites" who are presently bringing to fruition
the New Order of the World. :(
I am opposed to American Hegemony and American sponsored
terrorism. I am opposed to the corruption which exists at the
highest levels of the American Government. America seems to
have lost its way. ???
What is taking shape in the World is literally unstoppable. :'(
The Forces of Evil have a limited time to accomplish their
aims before they are defeated and removed by the Forces
of Good. The Forces of Evil are desperate. They know that
their end is two or three decades away and approaching... 8)
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 21, 2016, 03:53:44 PM
The coming New World Order will be a system of
slavery. Humankind must be re-molded to conform
to the new societal structure of Master (the Elites
who will have wealth and power) and the Slave
(all others whose job is to serve the Master.)
Where did you get this? From yourself? The Communist Manifesto? Someone else?(The Communist Manifesto is only slightly related to SeaMonkey's assertions. They coincide with class struggle. Right, SeaMonkey?)
QuoteThe process of the Trance-Formation of humankind
has been in progress for quite a long time. It has
been done gradually with the breaking down of
national cultures by wars and other disasters.
Wars are manmade. "Disasters" may or may not be manmade. Anyone who tries to take over the world will be stopped by impossible-to-overcome burdens or obstacles to impede progress. Evil already owns the world anyway. The last was from an unattributed religious text: "Satan owns the world."
QuoteThe People must be made to become dependent upon
the Master for their very survival.[/unquote]
The Maya had the answer: All the intelligent tribal members who still knew how to live off the land went into the jungle and did just that. The arrogant city Priests who demanded everything from the populace died from starvation after 50-60 years.
There are enough mountain men in the Rockies to restart populating the earth if necessary.
This is how it is done.
(http://henrymakow.com/feminism_is_key_to_making_of_a.html)
[/quote]Europe and the United States of America are now
in the process of being destroyed in order to facilitate
The New Deal.[/quote]
Do you understand? Russia is just like the Mafia. This is quoted from a Russian defector. The Mafia "Company" already do what they want: Run the world like a business and a revolutionary organization. Now, you ask where I got this information? Part of this was from a newspaper article long ago. Other information that validated the first part came from someone who was in the "Company", who wrote a letter condemning several people who would be stopped in their tracks if they did something harmful to this person.
NO. New. Deal.
Natural disasters alone are capable of doing Humanity in as a fatal consequence to arrogantly trying to take something like freedom from others by force. This info. came from a religious adept, Katherine Schugert (deceased); a personal friend of mine. She was over 80 when she passed away, but she told me what she said to my face.
Makow, I've intuited, is being used as a scapegoat or 'patsy' as someone to point a finger at to blame as being a large part of the problem(s) that're coming. Science fiction author, Robert Heinlein, indicated in one of his stories that a "Corporate" takeover of the country would be attempted by individuals or groups. Those were his words.
Now, where did I get this info.? Here: Read my mind.
--Lee
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 22, 2016, 08:48:12 PM
My sole objective within the discussion of the coming
disaster is to expose the lie and discover the Truth.
Truth is relative. Someone else's 'truth' can be your 'lie'
Quote
It is unfortunate that some are uncomfortable with Truth. :o
Anyone can lie. Even me. Oh, BTW, that's my truth. Is it yours?
Quote
The West has been "infiltrated" and effectively "taken over"
by a cadre of ruthless, pathological, New World Order zealots.
The New World Order will be a political duplication of what
existed in the Bolshevik Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was
simply a trial run as was the National Socialist government of
Germany. Those trials were implemented and managed by
the same cadre of "Elites" who are presently bringing to fruition
the New Order of the World. :(
The Head of the CIA said that when everyone in the country believes nothing the CIA says is true, then their mission will be completed.
Quote
I am opposed to American Hegemony and American sponsored
terrorism. I am opposed to the corruption which exists at the
highest levels of the American Government. America seems to
have lost its way. ???
It's always been that way. the Mafia 'Company' runs the world.
Quote
What is taking shape in the World is literally unstoppable. :'(
Eventually, the world will be depopulated by people, who'll be required to finish their karma on another planet/planets
QuoteThe Forces of Evil have a limited time to accomplish their
aims before they are defeated and removed by the Forces
of Good. The Forces of Evil are desperate. They know that
their end is two or three decades away and approaching... 8)
It's probably sooner than that. That's why I started this thread. N. Korea, China; the Ukraine can set off WWIII sooner than that.
--Lee
Why is Russia so "feared" by the West?
Could it be that The West represents
Evil and Russia represents what is Good?
Clarification of the Hate Campaign of The West (http://sputniknews.com/radio_burning_point/20141219/1016060718.html)
Henry Kissinger enlisted to aid the push for war (http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-waging-in-jeopardy-the-desperation-of-the-us-elite-and-the-return-of-henry-kissinger/5542019)
Clinton Corruption is indicative of deeper corruption (https://geopolitics.co/2016/07/10/the-situation-is-so-intense-it-involves-the-entire-us-government-fbi-insider/)
The coming Disaster (Economic and More) has many
facets which are all being "worked" in unison by many
"actors" to bring about the desired end result.
The Latest Foofah (http://xymphora.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/the-latest-fooflah.html)
I Thought You Should Know (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=138460)
Propaganda is an Art (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=138425)
Clintonites Prepare for War in Syria
(http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=138434)The Plot to destroy Children in Schools (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=138438)
A Truth which will make little difference to
the Plan: Transgenderism Not Supported by
Scientific Evidence (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=138445)
What is coming to Planet Earth will be unlike
anything which has occurred in the past, but
it will bear a similarity to the time when Evil
was rampant. The time before the Great Flood.
The Forces of Evil are very, very busy presently.
Worth adding this one to your search list:
http://worldaffairsbrief.com/
We ,as humans,have had ever social and or economical ups and downs and this will stay
the difference is only that ever more humans are living on this earth,estimation 10 billions 2050 !
(1500: ~ 300 millions habitants)
Okay,we will get more movement and stress !
About economical up and down :
1987 the japanese Monarch palace with garden(3,4 qkm ) in Tokio has been more worth,e-statics !,than the total (statistical) worth of California !
history: the richest city in the world has been : Potosi,Bolivia (silver mines)
European habitants became poorer caused by the huge landwin in the european colonies in America and the import from agriculture products by lower prices.
Clearly,the 4. industrial revolution,after 1.motorization + 2.electrification +3. computering finally the
CNC-24/365 nonstop robot factory,with low menpower need per output,will give up to 50% of the actually employed people more freetime ! No more "roboty" !
For one: heaven ! For other: hell !
For evolution and revolution capitalism and communism is the same : it is the treat what differ !
The fairness progress : a robot does not differ between a communist or capitalist,
like the life saving machines in the emergency room !
Yesterday I got a hold of a book Ive been looking for."The Death of Money".The same guy wrote "currency wars".All that's happening is due to fed policy.This zero interest world is forcing everyone back into the stock market to take another 40 percent drop in your investments.Also cyber attacks on the stock market are real things.Panic selling due to false sell orders is a real concern.He believes gold will hit $7000 an oz and silver will hit $100 an oz.triffid
The economy could be destroy with:
a/ Someone who find how to create the energy
b/ Hackers (look the series Mr Robot)
c/ Terrorists: harpoons + thin wire can shock the HV or AK47 can destroy the tube with oil
d/ WW3
Who will be the first ...
Soziologie,1.Stunde(im Hotel ?) :
The West has been "infiltrated" and effectively "taken over"
by a cadre of ruthless, pathological, New World Order zealots.
The New World Order will be a political duplication of what
existed in the Bolshevik Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was
simply a trial run as was the National Socialist government of
Germany. Those trials were implemented and managed by
the same cadre of "Elites" who are presently bringing to fruition
the New Order of the World.
New Order: Confusion !
From Menschewikischer( white guard) view
Bolschewicken (red guard)
Soviet or Sowjet~ der(das) Rat(h-Haus)/ the house of common / Ras
the conference/ der Kreis-/Land-/Bundes-(die) Tag(ung)
commun=allgemein=common=social=ge(ne)ral
GeneralElectric,engl. =AllgemeineElektrizitaet(G),dt.
communist manifesto or as same : " social contract " , socialism
or as same " constitution ", constitutionalism
The national-economist Karl Marx wrote 1848 an idea for a geral citizen "law and order" bill like
https://de.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A9mSs2kpdb9XOWkA7r0zCQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByZmVxM3N0BGNvbG8DaXIyBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=Bill+of+Right&fr=mcafee (https://de.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A9mSs2kpdb9XOWkA7r0zCQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByZmVxM3N0BGNvbG8DaXIyBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=Bill+of+Right&fr=mcafee)
and
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_contrat_social (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_contrat_social) in german contrat~ manifest ~Verfassung
Buergerliches Gesetzes-Buch,BGB: Poebel Lex-ikon ?
Praeambel
Auch die Wuerde von menschlichen Cretins ist unantastbar
"ma fia : my trust", sicillian rebellion against the spanish Landlords,Kingdom of both Sicilia
democracy : has not been slavery part from the ancient greecian political democracy
( named by ? Demokrates or Demokrit ? )
from 100% Attika-habitants/population how many has been "citizen with vote-right" ?
dictator: an official title in the old "imperium romanorum" :emergency case !
also tribun,consul .....
fascism (also romanic,fascies -representing the social unity = common sense ):
fascie: Bund,Bundle/Bundel,Buendel Bundesrepublik
res,rem,re (=object) publicus/publik(um) open/disclosed (= not interna)
(neo-vulgar:populus: people/peuple/poebel meaning population)
not being member from the nobilitas( the upper class) and Patria /Patrizier
homeless
senex : the old/elder in the Senat(permanent) congress(periodically) delegation
c.h.(shortly spoken chuisse for c.onfederatione h.elvetica
Suisse/Schwyz/Schweiz/Switzerland )
confederation=bund(le)=federation=group
but no (hopefully : Mussolini/Hitler/Franco ..) Faschismusrepublik 2.Kind(=Neo-F)
the estate "law and order" monopole ; governemont/government
rex,regis :the King/-dom(e)
regime/regierung
legislative(read)-jurisdicative(decide)-executive(not/doing) in one hand ,
representance: monarch/pre-sident(sidere=sitting,chair,chair-man/lady)
dictator(f.e. war-time,natural emergency et cet.)
for democracy: parl(i)ament with impeachment potential
parlare=speak ;free speech =free mind by political immunity
inside the plenum
Today this old "power theatre" in many acts and expressions and executed by "protocoll" is more like a soap opera.
International politics and industrial programs after the german WW1 reparation stop and bancrupcy 1929 ,following the "Black Friday":
was the german NSDAP-program not based by Henry Fords "industrial capitalism" idea,
with the finding of a"right enemy"
( Peter Falk: there is ever a need of an enemy)
included Keynes "deficit spending" concept ,buying without money : credit shopping ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew)
Influence on Nazi AntiJudaism
Ford's International Jew (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_internationale_Jude) was translated into German in 1922 and was cited as an influence by Baldur von Schirach, one of the Nazis leaders, who stated " I read it and became anti-Semitic. In those days this book made such a deep impression on my friends and myself because we saw in Henry Ford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford) the representative of success, also the exponent of a progressive social policy. In the poverty-stricken and wretched Germany of the time, youth looked toward America, and apart from the great benefactor, Herbert Hoover (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover), it was Henry Ford who to us represented America."[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew#cite_note-6) Ford is the only American mentioned in Hitler's Mein Kampf (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf), but is only mentioned once in one sentence, where Hitler writes "Every year makes them [American Jews] more and more the controlling masters of the producers in a nation of one hundred and twenty millions; only a single great man, Ford, to their fury still maintains full independence." The second edition of the book removed reference to Ford.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew#cite_note-7)
Jewish and Moslems are semitic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover) estate work-producing program in the 30` ,like in Germany
New Deal and "Arbeit macht frei"
But now we have the "total shopping" solution: virtual e-money ! capital is not more a need !
warranty ? who needs today warranty ?
your body organs,your childs,your ranks and titles: this all is e-virtual money worth - more or less
Let us sell all the objects which are not fixed: fixing objects with variable currency floating !
Clearly,we need a ranking ,a safety virtual e-money rating .
we will never have a class-free society
Long life for the eternal communistic capitalism -wait ::) an error: the capitalistic communismus
caput,capita,capital(e) ,also romanic like communismus :
what this mean ? I am I and you ? you are also "unantastbar" !
romanic can be so romantic ! Romeo and ...................................................................................... Alfa
and clearly also Alfa and............................................................................................Giulia
The coming disaster is being "engineered" by the
Shadow Government with the able assistance of
its "elected Puppets" and the "paid-for" Media:
How it has been done and is being done. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=138565)
The "Economic Disaster" which looms is taking shape. (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/negative-rates-and-cash-bans-the-chaos-continues-at-jackson-hole/)
Quote from: the Article
Conclusion: The mechanism of central banking is purposeful ruin. The end-result of this ruin is global governance. In the short-term this goal is disguised by an academic patina. But the long-term goal, an increasingly apparent one, is a brutal restructuring of the lives of seven billion people to benefit a handful of elite controllers.
And there is this:
Why America's brutal warmongering
pursuit of World Domination is nearing its end.Quote from: the Article
But why is "that era is now ending"? What's changed since 1997 when Brzezinski referred to the US as the "world's paramount power"?
Brzezinski points to the rise of Russia and China, the weakness of Europe and the "violent political awakening among post-colonial Muslims" as the proximate causes of this sudden reversal. His comments on Islam are particularly instructive in that he provides a rational explanation for terrorism rather than the typical government boilerplate about "hating our freedoms." To his credit, Brzezinski sees the outbreak of terror as the "welling up of historical grievances" (from "deeply felt sense of injustice") not as the mindless violence of fanatical psychopaths.
Why Washington is addicted to war. (http://russia-insider.com/en/why-washington-addicted-perpetual-war/ri16153)
By Doug Bandow at the National Interest
Quote from: the Article
The last two administrations have followed a bipartisan policy of constant war. Unfortunately, the consequences have been ugly: every intervention has laid the groundwork for more conflict.
Yet the architects of this failure claim that all would be well if only Washington had acted more often and more decisively. In their view, the problem is not that America goes to war, but that it doesn't go to war nearly enough.
This approach is based on the belief that Washington is capable of solving every international problem. If only unnamed bright people implemented theoretically brilliant strategies backed by unidentified resolute citizens, terrorism would be suppressed, ISIS would be defeated, Russia would be compliant, Iraq would be successful, Syria would be peaceful, Libya would be united and China would be respectful.
Alas, our experience suggests that such people and policies don't exist. Otherwise, why would recent military operations have turned out so badly? If the right conditions for success weren't present in the last fifteen years, why should we expect them to occur in the next fifteen?
The biggest problem is the belief in immaculate intervention. More troops should have stayed longer, more bombs should have been dropped, and more no-fly zones should have been established. Advocates rarely bother to explain the practical requirements and consequences of those policies.
Peace on Earth is achievable and it isn't all that difficult to do.
All you need is one really big bomb and things will be quiet for many years to come.
Whether the bomb is actually detonated or not is irrelevant.
The shape of things past and future as the
Disaster approaches:
JFK Assassination was an Inside Job (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=138783)
Corporate Totalitarianism
(http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=138760)
Manufacturing Civil Unrest (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=138752)
America the Debt Pig (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=138733)
Will this be the next chapter in the story (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=138833) of
America's (and the World's) March to Disaster?
http://republicbroadcasting.org/news/a-russian-warning/
Warning or Destiny...?
I thought this was kind of cool...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/25/pope-francis-asserts-right-environment-un
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/01/pope-francis-calls-on-christians-to-embrace-green-age
Apparently word has come down that destroying the environment is a sin, destroying the environment for profit more so and those responsible are most likely going straight to hell, however we already knew this didn't we?. Which as the article suggests may be a problem for those good christian types denying climate change and promoting jobs over environmental concerns.
It would seem the man who interprets God's will believes... Quote-"man's destruction of the environment is a sin and accused mankind of turning the planet into a "polluted wasteland full of debris, desolation and filth".
AC
AC, I have to say it buddy, If people are waiting for the pope to tell them how to behave then I fear they are already lost souls. One of the major problems with this world is that too many people need another person or group of people to tell them what to believe or how to behave.
Believe it or not many people believe religion to be a mental illness or a thinking problem at the least. Personally I have nothing against religious people in general, but I do believe the Church of Rome is wretched and corrupt, there is an Australian priest who is guilty of ignoring and covering up Pedophilia "hiding there" he is now accused of being a child abuser himself.
At the Neerkol orphange in times past (closed down now) there was sexual and physical abuse as well as killings and body dumping of children.
all carried out by Nuns and Priests pretending to be people of Jesus. This story is repeated throughout the world.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/victims-of-a-reign-of-terror-conducted-by-nuns-at-central-queensland-orphanage-to-tell-their-stories/news-story/673cad0044f0831afcdaa485cdcdd6c0
Most sane people in my belief completely ignore or treat with scorn anything the pope or other religious leaders say and as far as I am concerned
I would be happy if all religions were declared to be cults and any public religious activities to be deemed illegal. I am happy for people to worship whatever religious idol, book or fantasy they please in private, but I see absolutely no need for preaching and no need for Churches Synagogues or Mosques. Basically I believe people should not want to pray in public for fear of prison.
Our politicians should swear on the constitution not the Bible or the Koran.
I see the outlawing of public religion to be the best way to lasting peace as religion is used as a wedge to divide, an excuse to wage war, and as a propaganda tool.
The bottom line is in my opinion that if people are religious they will be better connected to their god by praying in private.
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Seamonkey there are rumours of a massive financial problem beginning September-27-2016.
Nostradamus predicted that Obama would be the last U.S. president. Given the two choices I would not be too surprised if it turned out to be true.
When is the election held there exactly ? He also predicted a nuclear WW3. We'll see if they make his predictions correct.
U.S. Troops are in Syria, apparently. Not good.
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Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 24, 2016, 04:15:38 PM
What is coming to Planet Earth will be unlike
anything which has occurred in the past, but
it will bear a similarity to the time when Evil
was rampant. The time before the Great Flood.
The Forces of Evil are very, very busy presently.
Okay, SM, I'll ask this:
"What do you suggest that's better than what goes on now--for politics(?), human relations(?), religion(?),economics(?), laws and litigation(?), as simple and immediate examples, for any more beneficial alternatives that you can propose?"
You've been showing bad conditions from the Internet, but where's the betterment? Even more to the point: What do you think is better from your life experience?
Your answer can determine what my answer will be.
--Lee
Quote from: Farmhand on September 01, 2016, 06:40:04 PM
Seamonkey there are rumours of a massive financial problem beginning September-27-2016.
Nostradamus predicted that Obama would be the last U.S. president. Given the two choices I would not be too surprised if it turned out to be true.
When is the election held there exactly ? He also predicted a nuclear WW3. We'll see if they make his predictions correct.
U.S. Troops are in Syria, apparently. Not good.
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Very good, Farmhand. I agree. If Trump wants to deport 11,000,000+ illegal immigrants, a national martial-law-type of situation would be ideal 'cover' for such a power grab. What does anyone else think?
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok
Okay, SM, I'll ask this:
"What do you suggest that's better than what goes on now--for politics(?), human relations(?), religion(?),economics(?), laws and litigation(?), as simple and immediate examples, for any more beneficial alternatives that you can propose?"
You've been showing bad conditions from the Internet, but where's the betterment? Even more to the point: What do you think is better from your life experience?
Your answer can determine what my answer will be.
The simple answer as provided by
The Book:
Do unto others as you would want to
have them do unto you.
Stop doing what is bad.
Love your neighbors, all of your neighbors,
as you love yourself.
Further admonition is available in the
Commandments given to Moses with
instructions on how to establish on Earth
a society of honest and trustworthy peoples.
It is coming when all of the dust settles.
Quote from: FarmHand
Seamonkey there are rumours of a massive
financial problem beginning September-27-2016.
Nostradamus predicted that Obama would be the
last U.S. president. Given the two choices I would
not be too surprised if it turned out to be true.
When is the election held there exactly ? He also
predicted a nuclear WW3. We'll see if they make
his predictions correct.
U.S. Troops are in Syria, apparently. Not good.
The State of Israel will not be content until Syria
and what remains of the "Middle East" is completely
demolished and fragmented.
The U.S. wages war for the State of Israel.
The Prophecies tell us that great calamity is yet
to occur not only there, but over the entire Planet.
It is becoming ever more obvious as World Events
unfold that we are approaching the End of this Era.
The Birth-Pangs of that which is coming (The New
World) will be a Great Tribulation.
The Evil Ones know that their time is short.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on September 01, 2016, 08:14:48 PM
The State of Israel will not be content until Syria and what remains of the "Middle East"
is completely demolished and fragmented.
I
believe the Right Wing factions of Israel would think that way.
Most Jews I've met simply want to be left alone to live their lives in as much peace as possible. Who's different? ISIS. They want everyone like us dead. But, it's the hard-line Fascist Jews who're against those outside Israel. I. Believe. I know what Fascist are like.
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The U.S. wages war for the State of Israel.
Jews and Christians are together against the Radical Muslims,
right????QuoteThe Prophecies tell us that great calamity is yet
to occur not only there, but over the entire Planet.
Not enough time to add more.
Will return.
--Lee
It is becoming ever more obvious as World Events
unfold that we are approaching the End of this Era.
The Birth-Pangs of that which is coming (The New
World) will be a Great Tribulation.
The Evil Ones know that their time is short.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok
Jews and Christians are together against the Radical Muslims, right? ???
Afraid not.
Insights into the "problem."Think about what he said and admit
"who"
dictates U.S. foreign policy and
pushes for
war.
"Who" must U.S. politicians
pledge
allegiance to in order to be
"successful"and
"remain in office?"Isn't it strange that Politics in America is for
the State of Israel
first and America down
the line somewhere?
Quote from: SeaMonkey on September 01, 2016, 11:07:52 PM
Isn't it strange that Politics in America is for
the State of Israel first and America down
the line somewhere?
Well, it is much simpler: Politics everywhere (around the world) is for the rich first and all the others down the line somewhere.
Remember: only the able man shall vote! The able man is the one with "means" (possessions, money, power).
Who else could rule? If you have no "means" you can not do much!
Democracy is a nice way to insure, that the able man rules and the others are kept quiet (with moderate force). In earlier times "the others" where just beaten down with brutal physical force. Progress is to do the "beating down" with psychological warfare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses)
Be glad not to be beaten. It is much more agreeable to be tricked. Well, if you are not well behaved, you will be beaten nevertheless. So, shut up, and do what is expected.
Nowadays you may speak and write whatever you like. But only as long as almost nobody listens. Once you attract a sizeable mass of followers, your freedom of speech is over.
Greetings, Conrad
Re the title of this thread:
It's already here!!! (http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/)
I think I read that three Generations ahead will have to work for nothing. I am most definately not happy about these extremely bad statistics!!!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Quote from: EMJunkie on September 02, 2016, 08:20:02 AM
Re the title of this thread:
It's already here!!! (http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/)
I think I read that three Generations ahead will have to work for nothing. I am most definately not happy about these extremely bad statistics!!!
Mr. Sykes, why such a negative world view? The about 40 Million you saw on this clock are PROFIT!.
Some "able men" (I fear you are not amongst them) have gotten about 40 Million in about 10 minutes from the "not able men". That is progress. In earlier times the "able men" would have to beat up a lot of "not able men" to get some physical work out of them. Very inefficient!
It is much better to establish a financial market which does it in a nice way. The "not able men" participate willingly and even have some fun by additionally consuming entertainment in various forms (like this forum).
Most "not able men" even believe sincerely that they are "able men". (Aren't you one of them?)
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: conradelektro on September 02, 2016, 08:33:42 AM
Mr. Sykes, why such a negative world view? The about 40 Million you saw on this clock are PROFIT!.
Some "able men" (I fear you are not amongst them) have gotten about 40 Million in about 10 minutes from the "not able men". That is progress. In earlier times the "able men" would have to beat up a lot of "not able men" to get some physical work out of them. Very inefficient!
It is much better to establish a financial market which does it in a nice way. The "not able men" participate willingly and even have some fun by additionally consuming entertainment in various forms (like this forum).
Most "not able men" even believe sincerely that they are "able men". (Aren't you one of them?)
Greetings, Conrad
What a reply Conrad!!!
Clearly, by your reply, you think youre in the "able men" category! Your presence here, and demeanor clearly show different!!!
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Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
I truly feel sorry for you, a time will soon come, when all you know, will be lost for ever, your soul will long for fulfilment, but nothing will, nothing can. Walking dead, a Soulless body.
A torture very much worse than death!
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The meek shall inherit the earth
Not the Bankers.
Live long, and prosper.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
"The meek shall inherit the earth"
After the "able" have burnt it to the ground.
The meek don't build bombs, only the "able" do.
5000 nuclear bombs, ready, willing and able, just waiting.... I wonder who will receive this gift...
The ET's that have mentioned that no thermal nuclear war will ever be allowed. WE'll see.
From this month on, shit in all it's forms will really hit the fan. Or so they say... and it's looking more and more likely.
Oh, you don't believe in ETs, just wait and see. The Pope does...
Positive input. Start your vegetable gardens, put up solar panels, buy canned goods, water, and candles. Then run like hell.
Quote from: NickZ on September 02, 2016, 10:19:50 AM
"The meek shall inherit the earth"
After the "able" have burnt it to the ground.
The meek don't build bombs, only the "able" do.
5000 nuclear bombs, ready, willing and able, just waiting.... I wonder who will receive this gift...
The ET's that have mentioned that no thermal nuclear war will ever be allowed. WE'll see.
From this month on, shit in all it's forms will really hit the fan. Or so they say... and it's looking more and more likely.
Oh, you don't believe in ETs, just wait and see. The Pope does...
Positive input. Start your vegetable gardens, put up solar panels, buy canned goods, water, and candles. Then run like hell.
Hi NickZ - If we are the only Intelligent Species in the Universe, then we will also be the last. Personally, I dont believe we are, its far to selfish of me to think such a thing!
I guess you could say I am lucky, my Home Town was destroyed by Earthquakes. Buildings that have stood for more than 200 years, gone in less than 2 minutes. I have seen first hand, some of the terrible things that we, the world are about to experience on a much greater scale in the near future.
The people of Italy have said the same thing! And Equador, and Japan, and Haiti, and the list goes on and on!
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and there will be earthquakes in divers places
I agree, a great deal of independance will be needed in the future. I like this:
Message from a Hopi Elder... (http://www.communityworks.info/hopi.htm)I believe a truly Golden Age is upon us, all we have to do is get there in one Peace!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Quote from: EMJunkie on September 02, 2016, 10:53:29 AM
I believe a truly Golden Age is upon us, all we have to do is get there in one Peace!
Chris Sykes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age
The most important feature of the Golden Age is that one never lives in it. The Golden Age existed either a very long time ago or will come in the future.
And that is good, because the Golden Age would be the most boring and restrictive existence imaginable.
Quote from: NickZ on September 02, 2016, 10:19:50 AM
Oh, you don't believe in ETs, just wait and see. The Pope does...
Well, the pope does not offer anything tangible about ETs (he would not know how to answer.):
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/do-aliens-exist-pope-francis-tackles-this-and-other-things-in-new-interview-75025/
The journalist brought up NASA's discovery last July of a new planet, Kepler 452 B, which resembles Earth in its dimensions and characteristics, asking whether there could be thinking beings elsewhere in the universe."Honestly I wouldn't know how to answer," the Pope replied, explaining that while scientific knowledge has until now excluded the possibility of other thinking beings in the universe, "until America was discovered we thought it didn't exist, and instead it existed."
"But in every case I think that we should stick to what the scientists tell us, still aware that the Creator is infinitely greater than our knowledge."
Francis said that the one thing he is sure about in the universe and the world in which we live is that it "is not the result of chance or chaos," but rather of divine intelligence.
It is the result "of the love of God who loves us, who created us, who desired us and never leaves us alone," he said.
Let's hope that ETs never come to earth. Remember what happened to the Red Indians in America and to the Aboriginals in Australia (and there a many more examples). And if humans ever reach other worlds, well, we know what will happen (just look what happens to earth).
Greetings, Conrad
Quote from: ConradElektro
Let's hope that ETs never come to earth. Remember
what happened to the Red Indians in America and
to the Aboriginals in Australia (and there a many
more examples). And if humans ever reach other
worlds, well, we know what will happen (just look
what happens to earth).
Those beings we refer to as "ETs" are here, have been
here and will soon be here again in large numbers.
They are more intelligent and more powerful than we
"humans" are but are held back (restrained) from
being able to do all that they would desire.
They are in opposition to the Forces of Good which
greatly outnumber them. The Forces of Good are
also being restrained until the proper time; the
ETs have been allowed a certain amount of time to
create chaos and destruction before the Great War.
We as humans have chosen a path of living which is
not good. Therefore we must suffer the consequences
of badness in order to develop appreciation for what
is Good. In the End, Good will prevail. All who choose
to do Good will be given Life.
The "Elites" of Planet Earth who in conjunction
with certain "ETs" rule the planet have devised
a system of Free Energy.
Here is how it works.
(http://omnithought.org/debt-elimination-how-to-stop-debt-collectors-from-stealing-draining-your-energy-money/4574)
Yes, the "Disaster" has been in progress for a long,
long time. It is rapidly approaching Critical Mass.
The result will be catastrophe for the many.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on September 02, 2016, 03:00:15 PM
The "Elites" of Planet Earth who in conjunction
with certain "ETs" rule the planet have devised
a system of Free Energy.
Here is how it works.
(http://omnithought.org/debt-elimination-how-to-stop-debt-collectors-from-stealing-draining-your-energy-money/4574)
Yes, the "Disaster" has been in progress for a long,
long time. It is rapidly approaching Critical Mass.
The result will be catastrophe for the many.
I agree SeaMonkey, however, I think we give the Elites far too much credit.
They are no smarter than us.
In-fact to pull the Wool, if you like, would require us to never know, which we do, they are running scared, the Elites, look at the Personal Security they hire.
As we grow more angry, they expect more reluctance from us, thus the overall preparing for Riot and Luting we see globally.
New Report Proves Police Preparing For Rioting On A National Scale (http://www.mintpressnews.com/215849-2/215849/)Would you rather be the One Elite, or the 10 Million, coming to strip the one, of one's Limbs?
They truly are terrified of us!!! We just have not realised that it is us that has the real power!!!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
One of the problems I think is that many of us are no longer required and so the Elite can withdraw to their taxpayer funded super bunkers and unleash nuclear war.
With all the nuclear power plants around, chaos that begins suddenly and lasts for long enough to prevent the proper shut down of the nuclear power plants would cause multiple meltdowns wouldn't it ?
They will have anticipated most things that could possibly happen in many scenario's.
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Quote from: Farmhand on September 02, 2016, 07:57:37 PM
One of the problems I think is that many of us are no longer required and so the Elite can withdraw to their taxpayer funded super bunkers and unleash nuclear war.
With all the nuclear power plants around, chaos that begins suddenly and lasts for long enough to prevent the proper shut down of the nuclear power plants would cause multiple meltdowns wouldn't it ?
They will have anticipated most things that could possibly happen in many scenario's.
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Hi Farmhand - I agree, there is already Nuclear Chaos from Fukushima alone, this being just one!
I personally believe we are a very adaptable and inventive species. Although one cannot do it alone, we all can do it together, Transmutative Processes could be adapted to reverse the Fallout. Some have already claimed it's possible and reachable. I think we already have the Technology.
What happens is we force a single Electron into an Atom of Uranium? or inversely, strip a Uranium Atom of all its electrons? Wow this could be usefull!!!
In others words:
Uranium to Lead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decay_chain) is an already known Process.
Most certainly its not going to be easy, but this is the cost of progress, especially when we let the wrong people guide us for their own greedy selfish gain!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
"I'll get by with a little help from my friends."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arIc1NlHvV0
:)
Quote from: Dog-One on September 03, 2016, 12:17:52 AM
"I'll get by with a little help from my friends."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arIc1NlHvV0
:)
A seagull with WMD's? George Bush Style?
Damn Terrorists!!! Give em all a Laser Guided Homing Pigeons in the next drop of MI Boots!!!
On a serious note: Video is very convincing!!!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Метеорит? Ракета? НЛО? Раскадровка Взрыва. Урал. 15.02.2013 HD :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdP6_LTS2po
МКС и два НЛО 1 сентября 2016 выход космонавтов
1 сентября 2016 года во время прямой трансляции выхода двух космонавтов с Международной космической станции (МКС) в объектив камеры GoPro, которая находилась на руке одного из космонавтов попали два быстрых НЛО.
On September 1, 2016 during forward translation of an output of two astronauts from the International Space Station (ISS) got to a lens of the GoPro camera, which was in hand of one of astronauts two fast running UFOs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqB4t0sjnxk
Quote from: Enjoykin2017 on September 03, 2016, 02:53:46 AM
Метеорит? Ракета? НЛО? Раскадровка Взрыва. Урал. 15.02.2013 HD :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdP6_LTS2po (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdP6_LTS2po)
Meteorite? Rocket? UFO? Storyboard Bang. Urals . 15.02.2013 HD
My answer, in English:
I don't really know. Never saw anything like it before.
In Russian:
Я действительно не знаю . Никогда ничего подобного не видел раньше.
Я действительно не знаю . Никогда ничего подобного не видел раньше.[/pre]
YA deystvitel'no ne znayu . Nikogda nichego podobnogo ne videl ran'she.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 06, 2016, 09:56:35 PM
Meteorite? Rocket? UFO? Storyboard Bang. Urals . 15.02.2013 HD
My answer, in English:
I don't really know. Never saw anything like it before.
In Russian:
Я действительно не знаю . Никогда ничего подобного не видел раньше.Я действительно не знаю . Никогда ничего подобного не видел раньше.[/pre]YA deystvitel'no ne znayu . Nikogda nichego podobnogo ne videl ran'she.
Enjoykin2017?
Your reply involved a UFO; this thread has to do with impending economic crash, not UFO's. I can't delete it; it's not my Forum. However, the Moderator(s) can do what they like with it.
In Russian:
Enjoykin2017 ? Ваш ответ вовлечен НЛО ; эта нить имеет дело с надвигающейся экономической катастрофы , а не НЛО . Я не могу удалить его ; это не мой форум . Тем не менее, Модератор (ы) может делать то, что им нравится с ним.
Enjoykin2017 ? Ваш ответ вовлечен НЛО ; эта нить имеет дело с надвигающейся экономической катастрофы , а не НЛО . Я не могу удалить его ; это не мой форум . Тем не менее, Модератор (ы) может делать то, что им нравится с ним.[/pre]
Enjoykin2017 ? Vash otvet vovlechen NLO ; eta nit' imeyet delo s nadvigayushcheysya ekonomicheskoy katastrofy , a ne NLO . YA ne mogu udalit' yego ; eto ne moy forum . Tem ne meneye, Moderator (y) mozhet delat' to, chto im nravitsya s nim.
SeaMonkey?
Yours and a few others opinions, IMHO, are similar to this boy's vocal assertions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kttVCbTrDLw
So, now, I interpret what he's saying, since my parents were always more devout than myself, and also I began reading the Jewish Torah, and I'm familiar with the English language contained in the translated texts.
"Whosoever, therefore, shall be ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation shall also the Son of Man be ashamed!"
Okay, now. (That was my rendition of his words as he yelled them, and then transcribed to this text editor.)
He, IMO, said that if a man was ashamed of Jesus(?)---unnamed person---then will also be he, (the man who was first ashamed) be ashamed, himself.
Fairly straightforward to me. What does this have to do with you??? That well-dressed boy was yelling absolute realities as the absolute truth. Now, by your words, you've said on this forum that the forces of evil are busily(?) trying to bring about a New World Order (ODOR?). Pretty much the same as that boy? There's already the Mafia and similar groups doing whatever they want to whomever they want, right now. That's what I'd call a Present World Order. And you say something worse is coming? This sucks now. The worldwide Company Mafia did it quietly, didn't they? Nobody knew the American Cosa Nostra(Mafia) existed until someone in the organization snitched and made it public.)
(See the second sentence in this paragraph.) I know why you're saying this (that you might dispute what I say is correct?). I'm not at liberty to be specific as to what that is. I think you do know. We may both be limited as to the truth, in a way. You and the preaching boy imply absolute truths and that's not necessarily so. Wait. Unless someone near you is telling you what to say? I have the opinion that I'm correct. That being the case, your actions toward me have been explained in full.
Say what you want, SeaMonkey. I know what you're doing.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok
...your actions toward me have been explained in full.
Say what you want, SeaMonkey. I know what you're doing.
--Lee
Perhaps you could clarify what you perceive to
be actions towards you?
It is very true that those who are behind the
various programs of chaos, genocide, corruption
of society, corruption of government, regime
change, perpetual warfare as well as corruption
of the media to support the AGENDA, are very
cunning and skillful at packaging the Lie for
Public Consumption. Their deceptions have been
exceedingly effective. Only now does it seem that
significant numbers of the People are waking up to
what is really taking place.
This coming election season in both the U.S. and Europe
could be very revealing.
In any case, yes, it is destined to get worse, much worse
in the near future.
The video clip you linked is rather interesting; I'd not seen
it before since I'm not an Oprah fan. It is a good example,
never-the-less, of what is wrong with much of Christendom.
Perhaps most, if not all, of Christendom.
There is a better way...
There might be a miscommunication. I have Asperger's syndrome, and sufferers of this condition can be capable of being presumptuous in how they interact towards others. They can merely assume that someone else understands what they're saying without being specific enough in their written/oral descriptions and still presume they, the sufferers are correct 100% of the time. I simply try and clarify this point now. My response(s) begin below.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on September 07, 2016, 11:35:51 PM
Perhaps you could clarify what you perceive to be actions towards you?
Okay, I went back and reread your post #4245.
Look, I'm coming from a point of view that I'm
allowed to present because of my job-related security clearance. My works are read and approved after I write them. Changes and deletions can occur. It's not necessarily me you're writing to. AND the Homeland Security Act gives some responsible parties the legal right to do this. They also don't need to reveal themselves to anyone.
What I usually do is present part of my opinion in the time I have available. Our opinions sometimes differ considerably. The "Insights into the Problem" clip in #4245 is rather an example. I actually agree with what Brother Nathanael said to a point. Right wing factions in the Gov't are doing what he implies or asserts.
BUT that's all I'll tell you. I'm not at liberty to be more informative. What I 'railed' against was that you thought you had the full answer in totality(?) Then I asked if someone behind your scene was telling you what to write(?)
I have information you probably don't have. I need to be fairly careful of what I write. It took some time to realize that you had more leeway than I do because you don't know some things that I do that're classified. You can have more latitude than myself in what you say, including that rant by Brother Nathanael. However, if you subscribe to that kind of rhetoric, then I object. Both Nathanael and Farrakhan represent an ideal I refuse to accept as admirable.
Wait. I remind myself: You did object to their oratory? If so, I agree. They are crackpots. I may retract my points if that was what you meant.
Reread the first paragraph, if you like. I'm getting tired, so I'll go.
My bosses are also asking for more work from me. I may need to reread some of the thread and straighten pout my thinking to some extent.
I agree with your statements below.
--Lee
It is very true that those who are behind the
various programs of chaos, genocide, corruption
of society, corruption of government, regime
change, perpetual warfare as well as corruption
of the media to support the AGENDA, are very
cunning and skillful at packaging the Lie for
Public Consumption. Their deceptions have been
exceedingly effective. Only now does it seem that
significant numbers of the People are waking up to
what is really taking place.
This coming election season in both the U.S. and Europe
could be very revealing.
In any case, yes, it is destined to get worse, much worse
in the near future.
The video clip you linked is rather interesting; I'd not seen
it before since I'm not an Oprah fan. It is a good example,
never-the-less, of what is wrong with much of Christendom.
Perhaps most, if not all, of Christendom.
There is a better way...
[/quote]
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on September 06, 2016, 09:56:35 PM
Meteorite? Rocket? UFO? Storyboard Bang. Urals . 15.02.2013 HD
My answer, in English:
I don't really know. Never saw anything like it before.
In Russian:
Я действительно не знаю . Никогда ничего подобного не видел раньше.
Я действительно не знаю . Никогда ничего подобного не видел раньше.[/pre]YA deystvitel'no ne znayu . Nikogda nichego podobnogo ne videl ran'she.
Okay, I say the whole video, 1:37, elapsed.
Now, did everyone see the two objects following above and to the right of the fire ball? They were either black or white, depending on whether the video was in positive or negative visual presentation. They stayed the same distance from the object at all times.
With that in mind, I have these proposed identities, in decreasing order of probability:
1) UFO, with accompanying UFO's
2) Meteor
3) Satellite or rocket booster burning up as it falls
4) Unknown/unknowable
Honestly, there are better forums for this actually posted subject on this particular thread. I replied merely to draw attention to these last sentences.
That was English. In Russian...
Хорошо, я говорю все видео, 1:37 , прошло .
Теперь же все видят два объекта следующие выше и справа от огненного шара ? Они были либо черного или белого цвета , в зависимости от того , было ли видео в положительном или отрицательном визуальном представлении . Они остались на том же расстоянии от объекта во все времена .
Имея это в виду , у меня есть эти предложенные тождества, в порядке убывания вероятности :
Khorosho, ya govoryu vse video, 1:37 , proshlo .
Teper' zhe vse vidyat dva ob"yekta sleduyushchiye vyshe i sprava ot ognennogo shara ? Oni byli libo chernogo ili belogo tsveta , v zavisimosti ot togo , bylo li video v polozhitel'nom ili otritsatel'nom vizual'nom predstavlenii . Oni ostalis' na tom zhe rasstoyanii ot ob"yekta vo vse vremena .
Imeya eto v vidu , u menya yest' eti predlozhennyye tozhdestva, v poryadke ubyvaniya veroyatnosti :
Имея это в виду , у меня есть эти предложенные тождества, в порядке убывания вероятности :
1 ) НЛО , с сопроводительными НЛО
2 ) Meteor
3 ) спутниковое или ракета-носитель сожжете , как он падает
4 ) Неизвестный / непознаваемы
NOTE:
I'm always given two translations in Russian and another language. That's because Russia is such a large country that practically everyone is bi-lingual. Russian and a trade language throughout the whole country. That way, every Russian can speak to every other Russian, regardless of their ethnicity.
(My Mom was a slight trace of Russian, herself. I do know a little about the people. Not much, though.)
In Russian...
ЗАМЕТКА:
Я всегда давал два перевода на русском и других языках . Это потому, что Россия такая большая страна , что практически каждый двуязычный . Русский и язык торговли по всей стране . Таким образом, каждый русский может говорить с любой другой русский , независимо от их этнической принадлежности.
( Моя мама была небольшой след русского языка , и сама . Я немного знаю о людях . Не так много , хотя . )
--Lee
Hey guys,
Take a look at this:
http://www.fool.com.au/2016/09/12/is-this-the-start-of-a-stock-market-crash/
So, now, it's not just one thing on the horizon, it's several problems. Any one of them can cause major shivers through the national or worldwide economical indicators.
I'm surprised that the average economy has done so well until now. It can't last much longer, though. I expect the economy will crash similarly to the Crash of the Thirties.
To the Russian(s):
I don't have any outgoing/sending dialog available for me to send to technical sites of any kind. My old sites that I communicated in the past are shut to me because I can't remember the old password. There's more than that to it, but that's the simplest way for me to put it.
However, if you want to correspond with me on your chosen subject---UFO's---then, okay. I'll give you an offhand opinion:
A New Age source a long time ago predicted that the Reptoids of Draco would deliberately wipe out humanity and all other life on Earth. As confirmation, a New Age teacher of mine about 10 yrs, ago said the same thing: No life on Earth in the future. Her personal prediction.
This would certainly end the 'economy'--worldwide---as we know it, so the subject has some slight validity here.
In Russian...
Для русской ( ы) :
У меня нет каких-либо исходящих / отправка диалог доступный для меня, чтобы отправить технических сайтов любого рода. Мои старые сайты, которые я общалась в прошлом закрыты для меня , потому что я не могу вспомнить старый пароль . Там больше , чем к нему , но это самый простой способ для меня, чтобы положить его .
Тем не менее , если вы хотите , чтобы соответствовать со мной по выбранной теме --- НЛО --- то , хорошо . Я дам вам навскидку мнение :
Источник New Age давно предсказывали, что Рептоиды Драко бы намеренно уничтожить человечество и всю остальную жизнь на Земле . В качестве подтверждения , учитель New Age минных около 10 лет , назад говорили то же самое : нет жизни на Земле в будущем . Ее личный прогноз .
Это, безусловно, положить конец «экономика» - во всем мире --- как мы его знаем , так что субъект имеет некоторые незначительные [ b] справедливость [/ b ] здесь.
Dlya russkoy ( y) :
U menya net kakikh-libo iskhodyashchikh / otpravka dialog dostupnyy dlya menya, chtoby otpravit' tekhnicheskikh saytov lyubogo roda. Moi staryye sayty, kotoryye ya obshchalas' v proshlom zakryty dlya menya , potomu chto ya ne mogu vspomnit' staryy parol' . Tam bol'she , chem k nemu , no eto samyy prostoy sposob dlya menya, chtoby polozhit' yego .
Tem ne meneye , yesli vy khotite , chtoby sootvetstvovat' so mnoy po vybrannoy teme --- NLO --- to , khorosho . YA dam vam navskidku mneniye :
Istochnik New Age davno predskazyvali, chto Reptoidy Drako by namerenno unichtozhit' chelovechestvo i vsyu ostal'nuyu zhizn' na Zemle . V kachestve podtverzhdeniya , uchitel' New Age minnykh okolo 10 let , nazad govorili to zhe samoye : net zhizni na Zemle v budushchem . Yeye lichnyy prognoz .
Eto, bezuslovno, polozhit' konets «ekonomika» - vo vsem mire --- kak my yego znayem , tak chto sub"yekt imeyet nekotoryye neznachitel'nyye [ b] spravedlivost' [/ b ] zdes'.
--Lee
The coming Economic Disaster inches ever closer. (http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20160920/debt-riddle-elites-trying-solve.html)
Sovereign Debt that cannot possibly be repaid,
growing ever larger.
Quote from: SeaMonkey on September 20, 2016, 11:39:15 PM
The coming Economic Disaster inches ever closer. (http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20160920/debt-riddle-elites-trying-solve.html)
Sovereign Debt that cannot possibly be repaid,
growing ever larger.
Okay SeaMonkey,
I agree with the point you made in the afterward comment immediately above. The total debt is so great that it'll take even millions of years to pay for it. You're correct on that point. The economy will collapse, even if it's deliberately engineered to do so. That is also a possibility.
If so, the Gov't (say, the Shadow Gov't) will have a free hand to deport people without causing a depression because those 11,000,000+ illegal aliens would cause at least a severe recession, if not a depression, if their supportive work efforts were removed from the economy quickly.
After that, look out for civil unrest with people realizing that the power is off forever. Take a look at this:
http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/if-the-grid-fails-will-you-die/
As my time is constrained, I read the first 4-5 paragraphs of the article above and I agree with the author. My own ancestors lived through times that the author presents, and he's right. Everyone's ancestors did the same as mine, no exception. Without power, I believe most people would starve.
And, the economy will collapse because of reasons I strongly believe I've already presented in the thread. (It's a lengthy thread, but it's back there; I'm very confident of this. I'm confident there are several---or even many---site Members at www.overunity.com who know this as well.
---Lee
If all money comes from the central bank as debt with interest already attached, then it is actually impossible to repay the debt as the money to pay the interest is created with interest attached as debt also. It is a never ending cycle of increasing debt.
..
Quote from: Farmhand on September 21, 2016, 05:18:23 PM
If all money comes from the central bank as debt with interest already attached, then it is actually impossible to repay the debt as the money to pay the interest is created with interest attached as debt also. It is a never ending cycle of increasing debt.
..
I saw from an old source that said, big debt holders were borrowing to pay the dept, and also borrowing to pay the interest on the debt. When I told a friend this, he rolled his eyes toward the ceiling, exclaiming,"This isn't ever going to end! Nobody can afford that!"
I said,"The economy would collapse when people realize that. Just like the Great Depression of the Thirties. Only worse because there's more money in circulation now. The 'Crash' will be worse."
--Lee
Quote from: Lee
The total debt is so great that it'll take even millions of years to pay for it. You're correct on that point. The economy will collapse, even if it's deliberately engineered to do so. That is also a possibility.
Come on man, Asperger's syndrome or not, you can't be that dumb. Why are you dancing around the facts?
Yes it is a deliberately engineered Ponzi scheme. You can't create money, loan it out, then expect to get it all back plus interest. Not possible. So a million years won't help. Nothing will help except to completely eliminate it. Money is a concept that must end. No more free lunches for these fat fucks with more chins than a Chinese phone book. Period.
Now since this is a Ponzi scheme, they can prop it up for as long as they want to. We're the idiots that buy into it. If the masses get a clue, it's game over. But they won't will they, ever. As long as the ones at the top continue to get their free energy (in the form of labor) while we give that away out of the goodness of our hearts, the system will go on and on and on, 'til death do us part.
So Lee, what is your point with this thread? You're not predicting a date this massive collapse will happen. You're not telling us the straight scoop (because your masters alter your posts). So what gives?
BTW, your employer is the same as my employer. They know what I think about the situation. They know I really don't give a shit how it all ends. They know that I know I'm not welcome here on this rock. So when I'm gone, they can have their little party and spin around in circles ad infinitum. I take it you are afraid of them. They can hurt you, so you keep quiet. News flash: They'll hurt you anyway. This is their shit hole not yours. They do what they want, they way they want and any time they want. Did you not get the memo Lee?
Maybe I should be sorry. Maybe I have a case of "I'm pissed off and not going to take it anymore" syndrome. Things are what they are. If the truth pains you, don't listen. Most don't.
Consider this.Soon like in Oct.Our debt ceiling will be raised to 21 trillion dollar.No matter who is elected,over the next 4 years it will double.No wonder everyone is pushing gold at this time.The demise of the US dollar has already been planned.When inflation reaches 10 percent in our USA.All Hell will be breaking loose.Look for inflation of 10%.Its a sure sign of a collapse being close.triffid
The World's Economic System is Failing Fast (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/the-worlds-economic-system-is-failing/)
Quote from: The Article
More bad financial news. Italy, Germany and China continue to decay economically as they move toward financial catastrophe.
Banking sectors are trembling and on the way to toppling. Meanwhile, in China, one of the country's top businessmen just issued a warning that the country's dreadful real-estate bubble could pop at any time.
This sort of horrible economic narrative is not a coincidence. It has been painstakingly put into place by the world's elites. It takes a lot of time and effort to shake the prosperity of seven billion people.
But by establishing the dead hand of central banking around the world and then pumping money for decades into the world's swollen coffers, the grand debacle has been painstakingly prepared. All that is needed now is a shove.
What is an economical desaster ? Which fear ? "put"/"call"-T(h)inker ? cash-believer ?
Do the people not amortizise the "economy society" ?
Why not ?
all credits values (as debt-warranty) are defined and rated and amortized
personal credit: (internal person) amortization !
linear or progressive
No Micro-/Macro economy knowledge ?
Leverage ? Dynamics? "Masses"-gravity ?
Rating-agencies are rating the liquidity and not "richdom,real or virtual/fake"
How good are you in rating ?
Is GOD the highest Ranking position ?
Sigmund Freud : 1.2.3.
Heinz Ryborz 4.
::)
Makes me "Gedankenschwanger" als deutsches Wesen
Mom ? GOTTESMUTTER ! Mutter ? fe-/male,neutrum ?
Wir,tedeschi und "Gedankenspiele" ,steht doch nur "Patrizier"-n zu
Nix verstaehn, casus retired General Powell : Kollateralschaden
"almer(alma) mater" fe-,male,neutrum ?
triffid,
I thought of you when I saw this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHY9DkD1Hw
I think maybe this thing is no more complicated that your invention?
--Lee
No more complicated than the one shown in your link.I bet he can get so many kilowatts per month out of his.Hes lucky to have a stream nearby.My other motor looks nothing like that.
I hope to soon generate a few kilowatts per month.triffid
Quote from: triffid on October 06, 2016, 09:56:03 AM
No more complicated than the one shown in your link.I bet he can get so many kilowatts per month out of his.Hes lucky to have a stream nearby.My other motor looks nothing like that.
I hope to soon generate a few kilowatts per month.triffid
Well, triffid, I only meant to show by an offhand, circumstantial way that others can come up with something similar to your device. Yours is more efficient, since it doesn't rely on water as a motive factor.
If you can get more power out of your invention, all the better.
But, take a look at this...
http://www.ebnonline.com/author.asp?section_id=3315&doc_id=281754
This is a type of analysis I've never seen before. That doesn't mean he's wrong, though. It's one more thing to think about in the future.
For "previous blog on EBM", see this...
http://www.ebnonline.com/author.asp?section_id=3315&doc_id=276923
I didn't know that the FECA did that to the economy. If it's true, then there'll be hell to pay in the future when the semiconductor industry makes a 100-mile-wide crater like a huge asteroid hitting Earth. This can be one more way the economy can collapse in the future.
--Lee
Stock markets tend to take a dive after a four year election.Then recover what they lost.I used to work in the semiconductor business.Its hard for me to imagine society doing without cell phones,radio,tv, and movies.Our debt is the monster to worry about.triffid
China is not a safe haven anymore either.We need to get away from them.At least the stock investors need to .
Quote from: triffid on October 15, 2016, 02:20:47 PM
Stock markets tend to take a dive after a four year election.Then recover what they lost.I used to work in the semiconductor business.Its hard for me to imagine society doing without cell phones,radio,tv, and movies.Our debt is the monster to worry about.triffid
Right. The Chinese politburo aren't ever going to get over their greed:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-25/one-year-after-bubble-burst-china-s-stock-market-has-gone-quiet
Here's something similar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_debt_crisis
QuoteChina is not a safe haven anymore either.We need to get away from them.At least the stock investors need to .
I didn't know that it ever was one. Some Asians, I was told in the Air Force, think only in terms of a bowl of rice(survival) and money(greed). For the ChiCom politburo, I agree. Nothing but greed. If that doesn't work, then aggression. The Russian Communists are in it as well. Russian Proverb:
"If someone refuses to give you what you want, then take it---by force, if necessary." --Isaac Asimov
science fiction author
--Lee
The faces of the Coming Disaster as it begins to
unfold in its early stages:
Quote from: SeaMonkey on October 16, 2016, 05:05:56 PM
The faces of the Coming Disaster as it begins to
unfold in its early stages:
Actually, SeaMonkey, I read several years ago that the first "Crime family", ever, was the Italian Borgia family. The Clintons are simply the latest, IMHO.
To stay on topic, take a look at this...
http://moneymorning.com/2016/10/18/we-just-found-a-major-stock-market-crash-indicator-in-china/
I'd say the prediction was right. Sooner or later, the end will come to the Money Game that too many wealthy people are playing.
--Lee
@seamonkey
It is a strange thing looking in watching these events unfold as the rest of the world like myself are wondering what in the hell many Americans could possibly be thinking. I mean we have all read the history books on how vile men play on peoples emotions to achieve an end and in our history it never ends well. Yet here we are, here we are with the same vile people like Donald Trump reading from the same demented playbook and so many are still lapping it up. I thought we had learned our lessons, I thought we were better than this but unfortunately we now have tangible proof we are not.
This same ridiculous theme just seems to keep repeating itself and the same old people keep thinking this could never happen to them and yet it always seems to repeat itself. I have this feeling which tells me if elected Trump is going to burn your country to the ground and I hope I'm wrong. For your sake and mine I hope I'm wrong but unfortunately I have a way with timelines.
It isn't so much the election nor the candidates per say but the latent notion that all those supposedly good Christians seem ready and willing to sell their soul to a person who holds absolutely none of their values in the name of greed. Thus the wheels have already been set in motion, the wheels have already left the track and your train wreck is just over the horizon. The fact remains that claiming to have values and not demonstrating these values when it really matters has no inherent value.
AC
It may very well be that Trump is a National Hero.
Trump has done something very few people in our history have ever managed to do. He has convinced every religious right wing kook to come slithering out of their hole into the light of day for all to see who they really are. Trump has exposed the fact the religious right wing are ready, willing and able to sell out the values and beliefs of their country for their own personal gain and represent a clear and present threat to democracy.
Well played Mr. Trump
AC
Well somebody has played something very well...
living in the USA and being a "NewYorker" I have to say It is the first time I can drive for hundreds of miles and see NO political signs for anyone,
bumper stickers which were normally plastered all over cars ...are now as rare as hens teeth..
if I were to summarize the feeling here....
Embarrassed would be the best word I could come up with ..
re Religious folks and their support [outward public endorsement of either candidate ]
I haven't seen this or heard anything but embarrassment from there either , If anything good comes from this it will be change
this is truly an abomination !!
just one mans observations and opinion ....
respectfully
Chet K
Aye, we are indeed living in a time of what seems to
be unprecedented corruption of government and the
existence of an "Elite" crowd of "controllers" who are
above the law. The obsession of those "elites" for more
power, control and wealth has caused them to "act" as
if they've lost their minds in their pursuit of what they
desire. It is also becoming ever more obvious that the
"Shadow Government" or "Deep State" is making all
political decisions and that warfare has become their chief
tool as they desperately proceed with their plans to
institute the New World Order.
The coming disaster will be World-Wide. It will be a
tribulation unlike any that our Planet has ever experienced
in the past. The craziness is really just beginning. It is
going to get much, much worse. The numbers of People
who are "awake" and who recognize what is truly about
to erupt are few.
There is virtually nothing which hasn't been corrupted (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/nobel-prize-loses-credibility-after-presidential-endorsement/)
by those who are intoxicated with lust for power.
Quote from: allcanadian on October 19, 2016, 04:27:13 AM
@seamonkey
It is a strange thing looking in watching these events unfold as the rest of the world like myself are wondering what in the hell many Americans could possibly be thinking. I mean we have all read the history books on how vile men play on peoples emotions to achieve an end and in our history it never ends well. Yet here we are, here we are with the same vile people like Donald Trump reading from the same demented playbook and so many are still lapping it up. I thought we had learned our lessons, I thought we were better than this but unfortunately we now have tangible proof we are not.
This same ridiculous theme just seems to keep repeating itself and the same old people keep thinking this could never happen to them and yet it always seems to repeat itself. I have this feeling which tells me if elected Trump is going to burn your country to the ground and I hope I'm wrong. For your sake and mine I hope I'm wrong but unfortunately I have a way with timelines.
It isn't so much the election nor the candidates per say but the latent notion that all those supposedly good Christians seem ready and willing to sell their soul to a person who holds absolutely none of their values in the name of greed. Thus the wheels have already been set in motion, the wheels have already left the track and your train wreck is just over the horizon. The fact remains that claiming to have values and not demonstrating these values when it really matters has no inherent value.
AC
AC surely you don't think things will be much different with Hillary Killary as President ?
Politics is woefully corrupted almost everywhere. Most of the foreign policy is psychotic no matter who is talking.
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@Farmhand
QuoteAC surely you don't think things will be much different with Hillary Killary as President
In Canada we had a similar choice last election and one candidate not unlike Trump used fear and division as their platform and the other candidate chose hope and optimism. We chose to be optimistic about our future and the majority still believe we made the right choice. I voted against the right wing conservative party I had generally always voted for in the past because you cannot build a future on division, inclusion and hate... it has never worked in the past and it will never work in our future.
Do you want a president who gets all red in the face and starts yelling and throwing around profanities and blame every time he doesn't get his way?, the only word to describe it is embarrassing. Hell it's not even my country and I get embarrassed just watching Trumps insanity because I used to vote conservative and hope to again at some point in the future. I have zero respect for the man.
AC
Sadly, the masses have been woefully deceived
by the "actors" and their controlled media.
America was lost to the "trance-formation" long
ago when The Republic was displaced by Corporation
U.S. The People (those of good will who desire peace
and responsible government) are doomed.
The Money Changers (Bankers and Usurers) who learned
their tricks in Babylonian Exile have now created their
version of the New World Order Central Bank (http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/government-destroys-national-central-banks-to-build-global-one/) (aka Babylon
the Great.) The End of the Era is falling into place as
predicted in prophecy. The coming Disaster is building
up steam.
AC, Hillary is a War Monger of the highest degree. There are only two places a war monger should be, one is Jail the other is on the front line with a gun ducking bullets and bombs. The world is sick and tired of the U.S. war mongering. Personally I do not see any way out if Hillary is elected, I think several conflict zones will escalate into U.S. - Russian conflict. In my own opinion I consider Hillary to be a driver for terrorism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTmPnEsKsfw
It would seem that the wheels are falling off the U.S. ability to lever the financial system. And that could be making the TPTB behind the U.S. policy desperate.
Lets hope cooler heads prevail. Nobody wants the kind of incidents in the videos below to go hot !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s4sKAMgYsU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6JGkPcgV9c
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Looking at the various facets of the looming
Disaster:
The Media is being primed to rig the election (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=141275)
Quote from: The Article
It is now apparent that the same media which has rigged every debate, every question, every Clinton appearance, every act of "Trump rally" violence, every female accuser of Donald Trump and every poll is preparing to rig the voting results on election night.
Yes, the leftist media is plotting with Clinton operatives to quite literally steal the election using the most audacious and bold act of mass media "sleight of hand" that has ever been pulled off in history.
It has come to my attention through several sources that media outlets are preparing graphics for a Clinton win but not a Trump win. The rehearsals taking place inside large media networks are all rehearsals for the following narrative which will be blasted out on election night:
1) Hillary Clinton has won the "democratic" vote and "democracy" must be respected.
2) Donald Trump must immediately concede defeat in order to stop violent protests (i.e. an armed citizens' revolt from overthrowing the corrupt, criminal power base in Washington).
This narrative will be pounded hard on election night, even as the media outlets are conspiring to fabricate election results that in no way reflect the actual votes cast by legitimate American voters.
Doctors who discover effective cures for cancer
are eliminatedQuote from: The Article
Because cancer is such an immense profit generator, it seems logical that Big Pharma companies don't want a cure to come out any time soon – especially a holistic, natural one. Cancer has become an indispensable business asset to drug makers, and if it were to be cured, they would lose billions of research dollars annually. This should raise more public alarm than it has – because by commodifying this disease, Big Pharma has effectively become dependent on the suffering and deaths of millions of cancer victims every year. Their pain is pharmaceutical pay dirt.
Without a cure, cancer victims need to pay for chemo treatment and other medical commodities on extended basis – sometimes for decades. Beyond that stream of revenue, fundraisers and donations scrape together huge amounts of cash and other resources. It's a veritable gold rush for medical providers and drug companies around the world. And who knows how far they'd go to protect that asset?
This isn't the first time that holistic doctors have died of mysterious circumstances, in light of discovering some breakthrough. And it certainly won't be the last time.
The Refugees flooding into Europe are aninvasion.Quote from: The Article
Fully 72% of the "refugees" from the Syrian Civil War are males. Only 15% are children, and even fewer are women – 13%.
So why is this important? Because many are beginning to wonder if this is really a refugee problem, or if it's an orchestrated invasion of Europe by young males of fighting age.
They don't even pretend to deny that the reason they're trying to get to Europe is for the welfare and benefits the socialist countries will bestow on them.
But is there a more insidious intent behind this wave of "refugees" that Europe is welcoming?
The numbers don't lie.
The IMF does its job to assure the Disasterwill be enormous
Quote from: The Article
The banks' product is debt. They try to tell customers that "debts are good for you," but the customers can't afford any more debt, so there's no way the banks can continue their current business plan. In fact, there's no way that banks can be paid everything that they're owed. That's what the IMF doesn't follow through its analysis, by saying, "Look, the banks are broke because the financial system is broke; and the financial system is broke because the whole idea of trying to get rich by running into debt doesn't work."
It was a false model. So really, we're at the end of long cycle that began in 1945, loading the economy with debt. We're not going to be able to get out of it until you write down the debts. But that's what the IMF believes is unthinkable. It can't say that, because it's supposed to represent the interest of the banks. So all the IMF can say is to wring their hands over the fact that the banks won't make money even if there is a recovery.
But there really isn't a recovery, and no signs of it on the horizon, because people have to pay the banks. It's a vicious circle – or rather, a downward spiral. Basically, the IMF economists are just throwing up their hands and admitting that they don't know what to do, given the limits of their tunnel vision.
Democrat Operatives and their AgitatorsQuote from: The Article
Scott Foval, the national field director for Americans United for Change, explained how the scheme works.
"The [Clinton] campaign pays DNC, DNC pays Democracy Partners, Democracy Partners pays the Foval Group, The Foval Group goes and executes the shit," Foval told an undercover journalist.
One example of the "shit" Foval executes was an instance in which a 69-year-old woman garnered headlines after claiming to be assaulted at a Trump rally.
"She was one of our activists," Foval said.
Creamer's job was to "manage" the work carried out by Foval.
"And the Democratic Party apparatus and the people from the campaign, the Clinton campaign and my role with the campaign, is to manage all that," Creamer told an undercover journalist.
"Wherever Trump and Pence are gonna be we have events," he said.
@Seamonkey
QuoteThis narrative will be pounded hard on election night, even as the media outlets are conspiring to fabricate election results that in no way reflect the actual votes cast by legitimate American voters.
It is quite natural to believe any game is rigged more so when were losing...the problem is we never think this when were winning. If we were winning should the losers always believe we rigged the game? well no we call that being a poor sport.
Quote
Fully 72% of the "refugees" from the Syrian Civil War are males. Only 15% are children, and even fewer are women – 13%.
So why is this important? Because many are beginning to wonder if this is really a refugee problem, or if it's an orchestrated invasion of Europe by young males of fighting age.
They don't even pretend to deny that the reason they're trying to get to Europe is for the welfare and benefits the socialist countries will bestow on them.
But is there a more insidious intent behind this wave of "refugees" that Europe is welcoming?
I would imagine these same statistics would apply to most people who immigrated to the U.S. in the last 240 years. Now they call themselves Americans and if they applied this same rule 240 years ago most of them would not be Americans and would have been denied entry. First it was those dirty chinese, then those italians, then those germans and those japanese. I would submit practically nothing has changed in the last 240 years and racism is alive and well.
The problem I see is discrimination tends to escalate... I don't like you because of where you live, or because of the color of your skin or your political views or your occupation or how you dress or the length of your hair. The intelligent choice is to opt out of this absurd game because at some point we will be judged by others following the same rule... we are not an exception to this rule.
QuoteThe banks' product is debt. They try to tell customers that "debts are good for you," but the customers can't afford any more debt, so there's no way the banks can continue their current business plan. In fact, there's no way that banks can be paid everything that they're owed. That's what the IMF doesn't follow through its analysis, by saying, "Look, the banks are broke because the financial system is broke; and the financial system is broke because the whole idea of trying to get rich by running into debt doesn't work."
I think once again most are playing the blame game. I know many people who have no debt because they lived well within their means and made wise choices. Myself not so much however I do know who to blame for my debt... I'm pretty sure it was me. Hell I practically demanded more credit or debt from the bank which in retrospect seems strange. Now I'm trying to get out of debt and it seems to be working pretty well so far.
Quote"The [Clinton] campaign pays DNC, DNC pays Democracy Partners, Democracy Partners pays the Foval Group, The Foval Group goes and executes the shit," Foval told an undercover journalist.
One example of the "shit" Foval executes was an instance in which a 69-year-old woman garnered headlines after claiming to be assaulted at a Trump rally."She was one of our activists," Foval said.
If you rolled into a Clinton rally with a "Rotten Hillary belongs in jail" T shirt yelling Hillary sucks and you got assaulted... would this surprise you?. So why would anyone be surprised if the opposite may be true?. I'm pretty sure both sides have there fair share of nut jobs and who the hell goes to a rally anyways?. It's like an extremist convention for the politically insane.
In any case I would tend to lean towards Hillary because she can talk in full sentences and not butcher the English language in the process. It's my litmus test for people I tend to trust more so than others.
AC
Your thoughts and commentary are always very
interesting AC.
An honest man who was "winning" in a rigged
"election" would reject such result and demand
an honest re-appraisal. In today's political
environment an "honest re-appraisal" may not
even be possible because the corruption is so
pervasive. These final two weeks before the election
should be very entertaining. The "election" itself
promises to be a real "Majick" show.
Does anyone really believe that it matters which of
the two candidates is placed into the "office?"
The "Deep State" cares not who they are provided
with as a "Puppet" to do their bidding. If the
Puppet should prove to be "independent" and too
much concerned with honestly looking after the
real needs of the Nation then he will be assassinated.
Their Power is that great.
The People no longer have any voice in matters. In
truth it is doubtful if the People ever did...
@seamonkey
QuoteAn honest man who was "winning" in a rigged[/size]"election" would reject such result and demandan honest re-appraisal. In today's politicalenvironment an "honest re-appraisal" may noteven be possible because the corruption is sopervasive. These final two weeks before the electionshould be very entertaining. The "election" itselfpromises to be a real "Majick" show.
An honest person?, you may as well be asking for the moon, lol.
QuoteDoes anyone really believe that it matters which of[/size]the two candidates is placed into the "office?"
Good point, to be honest no I don't think it matters.
QuoteThe "Deep State" cares not who they are provided
with as a "Puppet" to do their bidding. If the
Puppet should prove to be "independent" and too
much concerned with honestly looking after the
real needs of the Nation then he will be assassinated.
Their Power is that great.
I would agree, in the last Canadian election we had a choice to either subsidize big business with the extreme right wing knowing big business is oppressive. Or we could choose another more moderate party which limits the powers of big business. We chose the latter however I think your choice is a more difficult one. Both Clinton and Trump seem to be pushing the corporate agenda.
Personally I find it strange that anyone would support the extreme right wing giving corporations god like powers then complain the corporations are oppressing them. Like wise supporting the extreme left wing simply replaces the corporation with the state producing a similar result. I like where our current government is going and they seem to be moderate balancing corporate interests with public interests.
Even more strange is the fact most extreme right wingers like to label anyone not in agreement with them as commies. As if to say whenever the government acts in the public's best interests this is wrong while also demanding the government act in their own best interests. As if they were not an integral part of the general public but something else. Why not just say... give the corporations god like powers so they can oppress me so I can bitch about corporations having too much power over me. It makes no sense to me because they are literally asking for trouble.
AC
The Turmoil which precedes the Great Disaster is
already well underway:
Germany is going down
(http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=141387)
In the long run, we are all dead (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=141380)
The American Empire is dying (I) (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=141401)
The American Empire is dying (II) (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=141384)
The American Empire is dying (III)
(http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=141408)
The American Empire is dying (IV) (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=141394)
Knowing that "the end is near" for the American
Empire, its "leaders" in desperation have become
ruthless warmongers.
@seamonkey
In the long run, we are all dead (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=141380)
That is an interesting article
QuoteTo a practicing curmudgeon, the presidential contest is amusing but unimportant. Hillary will win, whether she wins or not. She is just the wave front of deep and fast-flowing currents of decay that cannot be stopped. Trump may try, but he cannot succeed. We live in a dying culture and, soon, a diminished country. It cannot be saved.
I would submit the opposite and it is not decay but growth. I talked with a young man who owns the internet while the majority have trouble with email. I know a man who has a working free energy device while the majority must hire an electrician to change a light fixture. I designed and built my last three houses by myself minus the concrete work while the majority cannot even build a simple deck. Many people have literally no idea how to change the tire on their car.
It is not decay it is the fact some are moving ahead at the speed of light while the majority are at a stand still. The majority fall further and further behind the technology curve while still presuming to be equals when there is no equality to be found. They are dinosaurs clinging to the past and the one's moving forward refuse to wait for the future.
So yes things are going to get a little sketchy because many have evolved to a point the average person cannot even begin to understand. What you fail to understand is that there are two civilizations evolving, one has almost no limitations and the other cannot seem to balance their cheque book. So yes there is trouble brewing however it's not what you think because we do not want to "fit in" we want to get as far away from the stupidity we see as humanly possible.
It is going to be interesting I will give you that.
AC
On a side note:
It has been proven that many civilizations existed in the past that had advanced technology and all of these civilizations were destroyed. The Greeks had central heating, indoor plumbing, functional sewers and water works and advanced astronomical instruments while Europe was still in the stone ages. A few instruments found had extremely intricate gear work mechanisms which few if any here could replicate even today. How is it a man a thousand years ago could understand and build devices none of you here could today?.
The common theme is that there have always been segments of society which learn and understand things much faster than everyone else and the uneducated oppress them. Not unlike the anti-science/Trump movement we are seeing today and in my opinion there is no reasoning with them. My guess is the intelligent people in past civilizations came to this same understanding and decided to opt out of a losing proposition. They went their separate way and continued to evolve and build better technology.
It may help when we consider the fact most people who have seen a UFO in close proximity tend to piss their pants, run in fear or shoot at them rather than ask... I wonder how that works, I wonder who is in control of that machine and can I get a ride?. It seems to me that once again our civilization is approaching a cross road where one segment moves forward into the future and another attempts to move backwards into the past.
The question is... would someone give advanced technology to everyone knowing many segments would use it to oppress or destroy them and most likely everyone?. Well no the argument is absurd which is why you will never see advanced technology and those intelligent enough to build it will never give it away. As such once again history is bound to repeat itself, the majority have already decided through their own actions that history will repeat itself.
Strange times
AC
Aye, it is indeed true that certain of the Ancient
Civilizations had very advanced technologies.
Perhaps even more advanced than ours today.
The Saker explains why no matter which way the
"election" goes in two weeks, the People of the World
are screwed. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=141423)
Why Hillary Clinton is the indispensable "darling" of
the NeoCons and the Media. (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=141433)
The shameful looting of Haiti by the Clintons.
(http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=141442)
For many in the World the Disaster has been in
progress for quite some time. It will soon get
much, much worse for everyone.
http://thesovereigninvestor.com/exclusives/billionaires-bet-big-market-crash-reason-shocking/?z=560295 See what the smart money is saying.triffid
Investment titans are making massive billion-dollar bets that the stock market is approaching an imminent crash, but perhaps most shockingly of all ... is why.
Multibillionaire Carl Icahn, for example, recently increased his short positions by 600% ... betting as much as $4,321,000,000 that the stock market will plummet sharply and suddenly!
George Soros — who is considered to be the most successful hedge fund operator in history for timing market crashes — is getting in on the action, too. He just made a $2.2 billion bet that the market would collapse.
Even famed investor Jim Rogers went on record saying: "A $68 trillion 'Biblical' collapse is poised to wipe out millions of Americans."
Mysteriously, just about every major financial whale is taking specific steps against the market ... all at the same time.
In fact, we haven't seen this many concentrated bets on an immediate crash since 2008 when the stock market collapsed by 58%.
@triffid
Quote[size=0px]http://thesovereigninvestor.com/exclusives/billionaires-bet-big-market-crash-reason-shocking/?z=560295 (http://thesovereigninvestor.com/exclusives/billionaires-bet-big-market-crash-reason-shocking/?z=560295)[/font][/size][size=0px] See what the smart money is saying[/size]
Smart in this case is relative because even a fool should be able to understand that no economy can continue to grow indefinitely. They grow and then collapse under there own weight and the cycle repeats itself. Which raises the obvious question... why do the majority not understand this?. It doesn't help that the vast majority do not even understand grade 8 science or economics let alone what is happening today.
What is equally strange is that most at the bottom of the food chain proclaim to stronly believe in the "survival of the fittest" mentality. As if to say I believe strong and intelligent people have the right to oppress me because I am neither. The scale of ignorance simply boggles the mind.
AC
What bothers me the most are people clinging to the word democracy. The devil is in the details of that word.
Here in the U.S. I was taught the rights of the individual. Which means I can be as lazy, smart, trendy, athletic, entrepreneurial, religious, spiritual, etc. as I want, as long as I do no harm to anyone else. That is at the heart of this republic or once great nation. These were the rules and with those rules, people can become the best at whatever they choose to pursue. There are a few still around that understand these principals and why when they are employed, make a nation worth fighting for. But now...
Everyone wants democracy. Also known as mob rule. They take great comfort in numbers, able to push others around and force their will upon the minority. They change the rules routinely to improve their odds and further their goals. It's a big club and I'm not in it as George Carlin would say. Everyone wants to be a winner and be a part of something bigger than themselves. It's a world I barely comprehend and have little desire to be a part of.
I sometimes wonder what the founders such as Thomas Jefferson would say if he were alive today. I think it would go something like this:
"We gave you a country where every individual had the right and obligation to become the very best they can at whatever they choose to seek out. We gave you this and instead of cherishing and protecting it, the people of this country gave their unalienable rights away and decided the good of the majority outweigh the good of the few or the one. It is such a sad sight to see, a pity on those that will witness their own destruction. Many nations have fallen under the same trap, weary to recognize the error of their ways. Let it be known we truly did all we knew at the time to create a beacon of light on this so desolate mountain."
So yes, I do believe the generations to come will never comprehend let alone reenact that which would have brought them virtue. I'm a dying breed as are the few that recognize my words. The majority will make their own nest and lie in the ruins that follow. They will never know what they have lost, but at some point they will recognize everything is gone.
M@
Up to 90% and more price reduction of shares and financial obligations are not a crash :
this means only the reengineering from the overboarded "toxic paper"-trading market mechanism,
reducing all not capital saved "options}bets"and reenter a physical worth compensating quantity and quality cash market ,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_(finance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_(finance)) The three lever stages,showing the risk/chance quotient:
/0,3/0,3/0,3~ market average: 36 risk cases(losts) for 1 success case(win)
Roulette wheel : 36(18 par/18 impar) + 0
"Monte Carlo" Analytik tool
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPierre-Simon_Laplace&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPierre-Simon_Laplace&edit-text=)
invented by one of the french Academy of Science "heads/hats/phets" and member of the royal crown : the Duque/Herzog de Laplace
for the two "Absolutism"-Regents Kardinal Richelieu and Kardinal Montesqieu(native Italian)
nobody has had the chance to withdrawn the Academy of Science members decision (perpetuum mobile)because this Academy has been the "Ward/Gard "from and for the french population and religion VFolk,holding and defending the "royal Heal",only to exist in ONE his hands
"L'etats,c'est moi" Louis XIV,Versailles/Fontainebleu Resident, the "Sonnenkeen(Queen/Koeni(g)"
The Ampére law is also called Biot-Savart law and finally also called Laplace law
these four Academy of Science members defined the perpetuum mobile,based by a Paradoxon
PARADOXON also defined as physical UMKEHRWERT
The stock exchange software is based by pure logic (Laplace Maths : Operator) and this will let enter a step down chain reaction .
And it is not more a static program : it is a learning "energetic creature",an "NLP animal" with his own animus .
Quote from: allcanadian on October 28, 2016, 11:41:32 AM
@triffid
Smart in this case is relative because even a fool should be able to understand that no economy can continue to grow indefinitely. They grow and then collapse under there own weight and the cycle repeats itself. Which raises the obvious question... why do the majority not understand this?. It doesn't help that the vast majority do not even understand grade 8 science or economics let alone what is happening today.
What is equally strange is that most at the bottom of the food chain proclaim to stronly believe in the "survival of the fittest" mentality. As if to say I believe strong and intelligent people have the right to oppress me because I am neither. The scale of ignorance simply boggles the mind.
AC
Okay AC, I generally agree with you. Does it matter if this
might happen? Thusly...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7RdNIMVOk
Psychcs may predict the same thing, but these guys have a certain amount of (admittedly) self-generated opinion(s).
I do agree with them in that the Syrian-rebel conflict is actually a proxy war between the Assad regime and Russian backers and the rebels, backed by the USA.
--Lee
@Dog-one
Quote"We gave you a country where every individual had the right and obligation to become the very best they can at whatever they choose to seek out. We gave you this and instead of cherishing and protecting it, the people of this country gave their unalienable rights away and decided the good of the majority outweigh the good of the few or the one. It is such a sad sight to see, a pity on those that will witness their own destruction. Many nations have fallen under the same trap, weary to recognize the error of their ways. Let it be known we truly did all we knew at the time to create a beacon of light on this so desolate mountain."[/size]
The good of the majority must outweigh the good of the few however it makes the false assumption that the majority actually know whats good for themselves. For instance most cry out for more jobs at any cost leading to more consumption and more pollution which will ultimately kill them. The businessman cries out for lower taxes to attain more profits for more expansion so they can consume more resources ultimately hoping for a monopoly to oppress everyone. Some people have very little true faith in themselves and have sacrificed freedom for security which seldom provides either.
What few seems to understand is very simple in it's nature...we all inhabit this planet together and we have one chance to get this right because we have no where else to go. As such the question we need to ask is who are you to dictate terms to anyone?, who am I or anyone else?. We have put our own collective needs before everyone else and everything, we have become self-centered and ultimately this will be the singular reason for our demise. You, me and everyone and it should have been obvious that everyone cannot have their own way...that is absurd and childish.
Two thirds of all wildlife will be gone by 2020, 95% of all the fish are gone, in 30 years there will be more plastic in the oceans than fish. Pollution kills more people than all other diseases combined and it is increasing rapidly. Every natural system is literally imploding upon itself like no other time in our history and we presume to be worried about our personal freedom?.
It is ironic that we tend to hope and prey and in some quite strange sense almost come to believe our own personal flavor of BS may actually be true...but unfortunately it seldom if ever is. Confronting our own demons, those skeletons rattling around in that closet we keep closed to others is the thing. Me, I must go into that realm where I must ultimately judge myself based upon how I have effected all others. It is not because I am better, smarter, somehow righteous or otherwise predisposed it is because I can. It is a choice like any other choice but the real trick is in knowing...the choice is yours and that you have one.
If you ever want to truly know someone tell them no...and see what happens?.
AC
Quote from: Dog-One on October 28, 2016, 03:08:35 PM
What bothers me the most are people clinging to the word democracy. The devil is in the details of that word.
Here in the U.S. I was taught the rights of the individual. Which means I can be as lazy, smart, trendy, athletic, entrepreneurial, religious, spiritual, etc. as I want, as long as I do no harm to anyone else. That is at the heart of this republic or once great nation. These were the rules and with those rules, people can become the best at whatever they choose to pursue. There are a few still around that understand these principals and why when they are employed, make a nation worth fighting for. But now...
Everyone wants democracy. Also known as mob rule. They take great comfort in numbers, able to push others around and force their will upon the minority. They change the rules routinely to improve their odds and further their goals. It's a big club and I'm not in it as George Carlin would say. Everyone wants to be a winner and be a part of something bigger than themselves. It's a world I barely comprehend and have little desire to be a part of.
I sometimes wonder what the founders such as Thomas Jefferson would say if he were alive today. I think it would go something like this:
"We gave you a country where every individual had the right and obligation to become the very best they can at whatever they choose to seek out. We gave you this and instead of cherishing and protecting it, the people of this country gave their unalienable rights away and decided the good of the majority outweigh the good of the few or the one. It is such a sad sight to see, a pity on those that will witness their own destruction. Many nations have fallen under the same trap, weary to recognize the error of their ways. Let it be known we truly did all we knew at the time to create a beacon of light on this so desolate mountain."
So yes, I do believe the generations to come will never comprehend let alone reenact that which would have brought them virtue. I'm a dying breed as are the few that recognize my words. The majority will make their own nest and lie in the ruins that follow. They will never know what they have lost, but at some point they will recognize everything is gone.
M@
Democracy ..... and the rest of it: Couldn't agree with you more as another of that dying breed.
An excerpt of my similar understanding:
"The factual beginnings of my beloved but chimerical America where put to paper in the Declaration of Independence as self evident truths that like all truth stand on their own for all time.
A revolution was fought and King George was outted. His "majesty's" Sovereignty devolved to the people of the colonies. Each Man and Woman previously referred to as a "subject" became an individual Sovereign, without any subjects and none to govern but them self.
Those were the days when men were men.
We had the Articles of Confederation and then memorialized our Constitution for the united States of America to establish a constitutional republic. A republic made up of several individual states in a confederacy with a very limited central or "federal" government with prescribed duties and proscriptions mandated, primarily to protect the individual rights of the people. The people who delegated a limited measure of their individual sovereign authority to create a government.
That constitution also specifically mandates the form of government established was to be "a republican form of government" and no where in it will you find mention of any "democracy". But don't believe me, go read it for yourself and then try to deny reality.
Enough of history, if you are still reading this I commend you because those that believe America or the United States are in fact a democracy may never understand what reality is.
It has been said that our refusal to learn from history dooms us to repeat it, and I sense the ring of Truth is in those words as well."
from - http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/laws.html
A man can be shown the "law" but cannot be made to think.
"Democracy" is foreign and un American, mob rule is a very short lived "form of government" that self extinguishes.
QuoteA man can be shown the "law" but cannot be made to think.[/size]"Democracy" is foreign and un American, mob rule is a very short lived "form of government" that self extinguishes.
The Republican Form of government is one in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. Unlike the democratic form of government, in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the whole body of free citizens, individuals retain sovereign prerogatives over their private property rights (absolute ownership) of their person, labor and property.
Obviously a republic, as in banana republic, is an ill conceived outdated notion that you are somehow separate from me and everyone else. You want absolute ownership of property which you would then pollute for profit which effects me. Then you would claim it is your sovereign right to do this and I have no right to stop you. In essence it is a way for immature people who lack empathy to do harm to others and never have to deal with the consequences of their own actions. Not to mention the fact that most also believe them doing harm to others is not the same as when others do the same harm to them which is obviously a sign of mental disorders which need to be addressed.
As I said you never really know someone until you tell them no... then they tend to lose all composure and we see the real person and not the one they were pretending to be. Not unlike the juvenile delinquent we know as Donald Trump.
I mean you loved democracy in the past when it worked in your favor didn't you?. However now that it isn't so much you have decided you want to change the rules. As most responsible adults know this is a clear sign of immaturity and it is not acceptable behavior for any adult. However this is what you intend to do don't you...change the rules?.
In any case a republic worked in the past because the population density was low, resources were abundant and pollution was manageable. This is not the case today and we the people of this planet have collectively decided that this stupidity needs to end. You do not have the right to continue to do harm to others and it will not be tolerated in the future. Sorry about your luck...deal with it.
AC
Thank you for your opinions. They clearly show how little you actually know about me, as well as they show herd mentality in action.
Quote from: allcanadian on October 31, 2016, 12:41:37 PM
The Republican Form of government is one in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. Unlike the democratic form of government, in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the whole body of free citizens, individuals retain sovereign prerogatives over their private property rights (absolute ownership) of their person, labor and property.
A couple simple questions for you about "democracy": In a "democracy" without a "Declaration of Independence" like America's where do the "powers of sovereignty" flow from for YOU to claim you retain "sovereign prerogatives over their private property rights (absolute ownership) of their person, labor and property." as an INDIVIDUAL?
You write "(absolute ownership)": Will you be so kind as to explain how YOU alone can enforce your will to enjoy "absolute ownership" of anything against the will of the rest of the herd that has the will/force and collective POWER to take anything/everything you claim from YOU. ???
Quote from: allcanadian on October 31, 2016, 12:41:37 PM
Obviously a republic, as in banana republic, is an ill conceived outdated notion that you are somehow separate from me and everyone else. You want absolute ownership of property which you would then pollute for profit which effects me. Then you would claim it is your sovereign right to do this and I have no right to stop you. In essence it is a way for immature people who lack empathy to do harm to others and never have to deal with the consequences of their own actions. Not to mention the fact that most also believe them doing harm to others is not the same as when others do the same harm to them which is obviously a sign of mental disorders which need to be addressed.
Get real: This is purely your opinion, one made from a position of having no personal knowledge about me.
Quote from: allcanadian on October 31, 2016, 12:41:37 PM
As I said you never really know someone until you tell them no... then they tend to lose all composure and we see the real person and not the one they were pretending to be. Not unlike the juvenile delinquent we know as Donald Trump.
I mean you loved democracy in the past when it worked in your favor didn't you?. However now that it isn't so much you have decided you want to change the rules. As most responsible adults know this is a clear sign of immaturity and it is not acceptable behavior for any adult. However this is what you intend to do don't you...change the rules?.
NO, no, no! There has never been any love for "democracy" by this man. Only a deep respect for our "Rule of law." and none for the "rule of men" who refuse to follow the written law in OUR NATION OF LAW that was founded upon "self evident truths" I don't expect you to ascribe to.
Quote from: allcanadian on October 31, 2016, 12:41:37 PM
In any case a republic worked in the past because the population density was low, resources were abundant and pollution was manageable. This is not the case today and we the people of this planet have collectively decided that this stupidity needs to end. You do not have the right to continue to do harm to others and it will not be tolerated in the future. Sorry about your luck...deal with it.
AC
"NO"again, although in part you are correct about population, resources, and pollution you completely miss the fact that the united states of America was based upon the necessity of a morally and spiritually upright population that understood right from wrong, which admittedly is diminishing too rapidly. - Yes there is/will be a price to pay, and it won't be cheap or pretty.
Sadly "NO" again: Your collective "we the people of this planet" making the decision to end what you deem "stupidity" will not solve the real cause of the troubles that are within you as well as many others; you think you are RIGHT.
No sir I cannot fix the stupidity of others but I am quite able to govern myself and do no harm to others as the Captain of my own ship sailing among fools on their very own sinking ship of fools.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhNl6wIkVs8
Not sure just how "sorry" you are but I kindly remind you as a fellow dweller on this wonderful Earth and "next door neighbor" come what may - you and yours most likely will be AFFECTED by the fallout.
Peace.
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Children from a family tree
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Temporal Visitor wrote:
Quote"Not sure just how "sorry" you are but I kindly remind you as a fellow dweller on this wonderful Earth and "next door neighbor" come what may - you and yours most likely will be AFFECTED by the fallout.
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Temporal Visitor,
I agree with about everything you say, which I effectively 'snipped' with this response. I think your answers are correct, in the main. The subject of this thread is that the economy will in fact collapse and everyone except very rural 'mountain men' will be affected badly. Even extremely badly.
However, unless you have some way to live 'under the radar' or 'off the grid', your future is equal to anyone else's. I have an escape plan already worked out. I'll only say it has nothing to do with the usually envisioned ways of dealing with economic adversity and/or privation. I'll keep the details to myself.
I won't ask you 'why' and 'why is the ''why'', is so. If you can avoid the coming, impending; onrushing economic calamity, then you deserve to survive. Please take note: My part-time job requires a high security clearance on mose than one level of sensitivity.
An associate/supervisor, whom I answer to, has indicated that you can say the truth from a certain amount of your personal experience---and I know what that experience is. I do have a security clearance and I know why you say what you do. It's merely classified for me to make it public. I have a similar situation that you have, and it's not so much difficult to describe, than it is to convince people that it can happen. Most would say it's impossible for me to do. These people don't have the resources I do have, though.
My associates can indeed tell you about myself in detail, but would you be able to describe it to the Members or viewing public convincingly? Make it sound like it was
not impossible---or at least highly improbable? I don't think so. I can tell you this: We work for the same 'outfit'.
Which one is that? Classified. My clearance.
You're correct in you opinions as they were presented. Additionally, there's this...
http://seekingalpha.com/article/4017426-sweat-election-next-crisis-already-baked-cake
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-crisis-in-european-banks-threatens-to-roil-global-markets-2016-09-28
I could probably find more articles like these, but these are descriptive enough and time is short on this borrowed computer. I'm not worried. I have a way out of this worldwide mess that's coming. Mostly, people who treat money like a commodity will invariably lose control of that money valuation through their greed, and will eventually end up broke and/or starving sooner or later. Especially later.
--Lee
I see an economic diaet coming ;)
https://www.google.pt/search?q=jovoto+300+house&client=opera&hs=9BE&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjuzqjZ1onQAhUCaRQKHTd6By8QsAQIKw&biw=1366&bih=668 (https://www.google.pt/search?q=jovoto+300+house&client=opera&hs=9BE&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjuzqjZ1onQAhUCaRQKHTd6By8QsAQIKw&biw=1366&bih=668)
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLgzxvsP2jbqEWx3HmMMSwOYtDcEeS9uERyOvI8rpadsIzIgxKrw (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLgzxvsP2jbqEWx3HmMMSwOYtDcEeS9uERyOvI8rpadsIzIgxKrw)
:) interplanetary reengineering :)
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12769 (https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12769)
:) great value,nice price estimation :)
chapeu !
work area per capita,fertile ground : 750 sqm/2250sft ~ 1/6 "Tag 8) werk"
wheat,fruit,vegetable,milk(wheat or animal)
aquaponding,perm(a)culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2mRA03dWUI
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 01, 2016, 07:48:47 PM
Temporal Visitor wrote: Temporal Visitor,
I agree with about everything you say, which I effectively 'snipped' with this response. I think your answers are correct, in the main. The subject of this thread is that the economy will in fact collapse and everyone except very rural 'mountain men' will be affected badly. Even extremely badly.
Thank you for your reply, it is interesting and even more interesting is its timing as answers to questions lodged elsewhere.
I have read those articles, among many others besides my own experience and agree the cake is mostly baked "economically". As far as being "worried" I take comfort where I find it: Truth.
Sometimes in books, articles, or even music from the past that comes to mind,
"When I think of all the worries
People seem to find
And how they're in a hurry
To complicate their minds
By chasing after money
And dreams that can't come true
I'm glad that we are different
We've better things to do" (The Grass Roots 1967)
Those presently chasing after money will perhaps eventually learn it is only fools gold, very temporal and not true wealth.
With no PROMISE of TOMORROW - I do have "better things to do" than worry, because "Today is the tomorrow we worried about yesterday." (Ralph Waldo Emerson) and considering as Tesla is credited with saying: "The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine."
"In reality"; there is nothing to worry about when/if one considers your "Especially later" to mean working towards their own future/eternity BEFORE THE WHEELS COME OFF the dying systems people cling to and choose to pretend are not in "economic" collapse already well under way.
Many just don't "get it" and;
NO MATTER "How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they're not listening still.
Perhaps they never will..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dipFMJckZOM
Will today mark the Beginning of the End?
Quote from: Temporal Visitor on November 02, 2016, 09:13:29 AM
Thank you for your reply, it is interesting and even more interesting is its timing as answers to questions lodged elsewhere.
I have read those articles, among many others besides my own experience and agree the cake is mostly baked "economically". As far as being "worried" I take comfort where I find it: Truth.
Sometimes in books, articles, or even music from the past that comes to mind,
"When I think of all the worries
People seem to find
And how they're in a hurry
To complicate their minds
By chasing after money
And dreams that can't come true
I'm glad that we are different
We've better things to do" (The Grass Roots 1967)
Those presently chasing after money will perhaps eventually learn it is only fools gold, very temporal and not true wealth.
With no PROMISE of TOMORROW - I do have "better things to do" than worry, because "Today is the tomorrow we worried about yesterday." (Ralph Waldo Emerson) and considering as Tesla is credited with saying: "The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine."
"In reality"; there is nothing to worry about when/if one considers your "Especially later" to mean working towards their own future/eternity BEFORE THE WHEELS COME OFF the dying systems people cling to and choose to pretend are not in "economic" collapse already well under way.
Many just don't "get it" and;
NO MATTER "How you tried to set them free.
They would not listen, they're not listening still.
Perhaps they never will..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dipFMJckZOM
Every day is a gift, how we spend it tells a lot of us.
We should all have a "bug out plan" to include those we know
who are less able to "bug out". If those we would like to help
want help is not up to us. Some must survive ! Unadulterated.
So to speak.
..
Quote from: Farmhand on November 10, 2016, 03:58:08 AM
Every day is a gift, how we spend it tells a lot of us.
Without any doubt TIME is an individual gift. Some use it wisely, some waste it foolishly never even realizing they have been given it and other phenomenal gifts well beyond their own thoughts. I have learned to try hard to be appreciative of ALL the gifts given and not waste any of them while still trying to help others in need when, if, and where possible.
Quote from: Farmhand on November 10, 2016, 03:58:08 AM
We should all have a "bug out plan" to include those we know
who are less able to "bug out". If those we would like to help
want help is not up to us. Some must survive ! Unadulterated.
So to speak.
..
"bug out plan" is fine but realistically: To where? Seems to me each of us takes our problems with us anywhere we go despite our best laid plans.
For sure those that don't want help; yes they are on their own, and that any in fact survive "UN-adualterated" will be yet another gift. Especially if/when they wake up to find: there own ignorance offers them no "economy" what-so-ever to survive another day in.
IMO: These are hard learned lessons each will learn for themselves.
@TP
Quote"bug out plan" is fine but realistically: To where? Seems to me each of us takes our problems with us anywhere we go despite our best laid plans.
If the shit ever does hit the fan then people are the problem because they are unpredictable and 99% wouldn't last a week on their own because they are basically like helpless little children. Turn off the power, gas, water, close the gas stations and grocery stores and most are basically screwed overnight.
QuoteFor sure those that don't want help; yes they are on their own, and that any in fact survive "UN-adualterated" will be yet another gift. Especially if/when they wake up to find: there own ignorance offers them no "economy" what-so-ever to survive another day in.
History is pretty clear on who would actually survive a world changing crisis event. Those who can walk into the bush with nothing but the shirt on their back will survive and all others will eventually perish. They will eventually run out of food, clean water, clothing, shelter, ammo etc.. and perish because they have no practical survival skills. Thus money, stock piling and planning simply delay that which is inevitable in the long term and their is no helping stupid.
On a side note not much would drastically change for many indigenous people who already know how to live off the land on their own and have for tens of thousands of years.
AC
Yes, I'm not a "Preper" so to speak, but if the police stop going to work due to not getting paid anymore I don't want to deal with anyone I don't already know and trust if I don't have to. So I have a plan and back up plan, not a bunker full of of supplies. I'll go sooner rather than later. In my opinion gold and silver will just get you killed, as will most anything that others want in any quantity. After 6 months of chaos in the cities there would be a lot less people, but they would be either tough or just plain nasty.
Complicated,really complicated : https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffragen.evangelisch.de%2Ffrage%2F4657%2Fehe-annullierung-auch-evangelisch&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffragen.evangelisch.de%2Ffrage%2F4657%2Fehe-annullierung-auch-evangelisch&edit-text=)
The marriage partners from a Donald Trump : confession ?
Can a -probably,by law - poly-/bi-gamist become a President from the U.S.A. ? Bible belt and Tea Party voters decision ?
The confessional fundament("pilgrim fathers") from the U.S. federal estate administration ?
Only a thinking moment about 8) "inthronization" 8)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserkr (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiserkr)önung_Napoleons_I.
The presence of the Pope
Napoleon had decided that Napoleon should be crowned with the Pope in the presence of a sacred component. It was not only Charlemagne, who was crowned king of the Franks by the Pope, that the Roman-German emperors of the Middle Ages had undertaken a journey to Rome, in order to confirm their position by a papal coronation. Pius VII was emphatically summoned to the imperial court, where the Pope finally agreed to his participation in the ceremony by recovering some of the territories of the Church, occupied by French troops a few years earlier.
The pope, who had come to Paris in a modest hope of restoring some of the millions of French faithful fallen from the church during the Revolution, was completely taken by surprise in his audience room. Every day he had to bless thousands of pilgrims in the Tuileries Gardens and received generals, former Jacobins and dignitaries alike. On the eve of the Coronation, the future Empress Joséphine asked for an interview and confessed to the Pope that her marriage to Napoleon had been closed only on a permanent basis. Pius replied that, according to the provisions of Canon Law, he could only crown Joséphine as an ecclesiastically wedded wife, but not as a sinful concubine. Napoleon was informed of the intention of the pope, and gave instructions for the earliest possible preparation for an ecclesiastical ceremony, which was carried out at midnight in his study by his uncle, Cardinal Joseph Fesch.
Has one of Donald Trump wifes been rom.-catholic ?
1 President and his multiple first Ladies ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D also called sinfuls concubines
presbyterian(scottisch) church = reformation/evangelical(continental) church
There is no such thing as absolute security.We all must die one "day".Rules and regulations are the price we pay for living together in groups.One man can change the world,hopefully for the better.All of this worry about the future often is just wasted effort.One man can change the future.One man might turn that plastic in the oceans into more "fish".Maybe one day mankind will start looking at maintaining wildlife like having money in the bank.Maybe we will value nature more than we do now.triffid
The world will still be here even if humans are not.triffid
Thermonuclear war does not pardon the animals nor anything else... like food supplies, water, and clean air to breath.
ETs have mentioned that they will not allow a full scale nuclear war to happen. Won't be allowed... of course, there are other sources of this kind of contamination, such as is still happening big time, in Japan, etz... Where two saucer were videoed flying over the reactors. They are letting the boys play with their toys, for now, to learn their lesson. Sad, but many more new reactors are still being built, in many places all over the world. Will we ever learn...
Quote from: NickZ on November 17, 2016, 01:59:09 PM
Thermonuclear war does not pardon the animals nor anything else... like food supplies, water, and clean air to breath.
ETs have mentioned that they will not allow a full scale nuclear war to happen. Won't be allowed...
(snip to end of paragraph)
War may not need to happen. After Trump was elected, business at a local S.F. shopping mall has fallen off badly. 50% or more.
NOT kidding. Up to lunch, today. Less than 50% right before my eyes. Most days since the election.
There's more:
The GrabYourWallet movement is urging Americans to boycott Trump-affiliated businesses. More than 50 that do business with his family, etc. Some big ones, too.
This is going to get serious if it continues. ISIS is gloating, such that they want to see a civil war in the USA. I'm not giving those S.O.B.'s the satisfaction. I'd rather use an exit strategy than get killed in "Civil War II', whatever that is. Hope it
doesn't come.
But, this thread can take on a more authentic tone if civil strife becomes acute. Will it? Suppose other countries decide to boycott us as retaliation against Trump's Election!?!? If we sanction economic restrictions on others, can it be done to us? For any reason? Why or why not? Can the USA go into a very serious recession if we're boycotted? Will crazies like N. Korea launch an attack, knowing it amounts to suicide?!?! They may be crazy and hateful enough to not give a d@mn.
I DON'T know what's going to happen because everyone has 'free will'. They can do what they want to. Hope it doesn't cause people to become desperate from irrational fear.
The future is anything but certain, given that what's happening nowadays is about like nothing anyone's ever see before.
ADDED NEW INFO:
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/09/investing/mexican-peso-trump-us-election/index.html?iid=EL (http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/09/investing/mexican-peso-trump-us-election/index.html?iid=EL)
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/08/investing/global-markets-stocks-trump-clinton-us-presidential-election/index.html?iid=ELThese (http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/08/investing/global-markets-stocks-trump-clinton-us-presidential-election/index.html?iid=ELThese) new developments don't help, either.Hope these conditions aren't spreading to more countries. You might want to get your "head for the hills" plan out and review it for worsening cases scenarios. That goes for everyone, even me.
--Lee
p.s.
I tried the last site and it actually loaded and ran as usual. That's not supposed to happen. ("These" appended to end of 'Web address.)
California is not "America",the living conditions and philosophy differs,this is my opinion as foreigner and somebody who has never been in the U.S.A. !
The "barter community" is there well established,the rumors about the currency validation or federal estate bankrupcy not new !
And there are also by someone sezession-interests like in Texas !
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Faktuell%2Fpolitik%2Fwahl-in-amerika%2Fin-kalifornien-verlangen-viele-nach-dem-calexit-14530560.html&edit-text=
But this will only happen if the F.E.D. will become really illiquid and this only when their bonds will not more become internationally accepted
or changed 1:1 ,only with great discount up to 90% : junk bonds level ! Triple A to Triple E .
Like the japanese bonds market in the beginning from the 90`.
No more funds,neither national nor international,are allowed to invest in this papers,no investment degree/grade.
The great "plus" of the U.S.-bond-market: the rating agencies are mostly U.S.-american:
the own estate note/rating is "officially" ever the best,also when the estate will become bankrupt,then this will become a AAA-position bankrupt ! From "financial pseudo-heaven" to "finance hell"reality !
Values and prices of " credit systems "can fall really fast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal)
Donald Trump is a "chapter11"-child ! His vita is based by this paragraph content !
Like here in Europe with the EZB ! Many Euro-Bonds,no money ! Bonds/credit=paper in the purse= no money money=coins/material value
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Faktuell%2Ffinanzen%2Fanleihen-zinsen%2Fder-anleihencrash-von-1994-koennte-sich-so-aehnlich-wiederholen-14532766.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Faktuell%2Ffinanzen%2Fanleihen-zinsen%2Fder-anleihencrash-von-1994-koennte-sich-so-aehnlich-wiederholen-14532766.html&edit-text=)
Only then the US.A. will get a new face ! And an another rule in future ! Smaller and calmer. As regional great confederation !
After east-block U.S.S.R. now the west-block U.S.A.,both only more important cause the atomic weapon arsenal
P.R. China and his Tiger-estates have now reached the global top position
China included the sino-leaded economies Taiwan,Malaysia,Singapore,Thailand,Indonesia
and hard/soft ware delivery https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTrans-Eurasia-Express&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTrans-Eurasia-Express&edit-text=)
but uninterestant from block-free position view,only a remark
Sincerely
OCWL
Quote from: NickZ on November 17, 2016, 01:59:09 PM
Thermonuclear war does not pardon the animals nor anything else... like food supplies, water, and clean air to breath.
ETs have mentioned that they will not allow a full scale nuclear war to happen. Won't be allowed... of course, there are other sources of this kind of contamination, such as is still happening big time, in Japan, etz... Where two saucer were videoed flying over the reactors. They are letting the boys play with their toys, for now, to learn their lesson. Sad, but many more new reactors are still being built, in many places all over the world. Will we ever learn...
I'll start with this below...
https://mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=3b8h1v1k08qms#3498123149
(More videos at right side of TV screen,)
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/world-ufo-day-alien-girl-secret-apollo-20-mission-1454928
(My opinion, as relayed from the opinions of individual(s) I know and communicate with...is that Netflicks---at least---has a large number od videos that can be viewed for a subscription fee. YouTube is right behind that for free at your public library.)
Lastly...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xenkCgf2860
(80-90 Alien races in, on or around the Earth. More videos on right side of TV screen. The narrator sounds like he's a patched-together, computer generated voice over actor from Great Britain.)
I might be able to give more info. if a direct question is asked as a Overunity comment. I also have a security clearance, so I have more info, but I'm not always free with it. I'll say what I can.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 18, 2016, 07:45:23 PM
I might be able to give more info. if a direct question is asked as a Overunity comment. I also have a security clearance, so I have more info, but I'm not always free with it. I'll say what I can.
--Lee
The ET s' may not be able to stop these "'critters'...
https://www.metahistory.org/gnostique/archonfiles/ReptilianAgenda.php
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles110.htm
I think certain New Age (???) pundits claim the Reptoids will actually succeed in exterminating Humanity from Earth. Alledgely, it will have been their aim to wipe this planet's life out all along. Supposedly, it's the way they think, anyway. The heaviest karma possible awaits them for being so judgmental that Humanity is equal to beef cattle or possibly 'sheepeoples'.
If so, they're the biggest S.O.B.'s in the Galaxy, IMO. Even though they're not necessarily mammal-based to think like civilized entities, of any kind possible.
Lee--
p.s.
I'm not surprised that no one's replying to these last 2 posted replies, considering the subject matter. There's more to it than that, but I can't exactly relay it to the reader in understandable terms---merely take my word for it, that's all.
It's a big cosmos, with lots of different humanoid ET life forms out there, as well as here on Earth. They are in the oceans, deep in the earth, in the north and south poles, etz... And walking around, with us, as well.
They are not all reptilians. Nor all material flesh and bones, either. Their ships can appear and disappear right before your eyes. They don't use nor need fuel propellents, nor does it take them light years to go from point A to point B. They are there, then they are here. Nor do they even need a ship to do so. But, their ships can also go slow, low, and let us see them, while they check us out as well. Evaluating our reactions, and our readiness for open contact.
I'm very interested, as well as excited about what is coming concerning ETs.
Yes, they know much more about free energy, anti-gravity, and space travel, than we do.
We are being already surrounded by them in our skies, at least the ones that we can see.
Thousands of different forms of space crafts, as well.
They know about the production of food without the agro process involved. And producing most any thing instantly out of thin air, instant materializations, instant communications, telepathy, etz, Almost like magic to our way or seeing it, and many other things that they could help us with, IF we allow it. When shit hits the fan... or before, or even after, to those that may make it that far.
The ancient Mayan culture disappeared without leaving a trace. Thousands of them, no graves no bones, just gone.
No matter how much water, food, supplies, or guns that you stock up on. That's the first things that will be taken from you, by those that are still alive, and hungry, etz... While you're sleeping with your bellies full.
Head for the hills... But don't forget to pay your taxes, then run like hell, to nowhere.
How long do the effects of radiation last??? How long?
We better hope that they will give us a hand or two when the time comes, or we'll be like babes left out in the fields, for the wolfs, otherwise. Paper money will make for good toilet paper... especially if the internet goes down, also.
So, what can we really do about it???
I've already done it, and I'm as ready for it as I'll ever be.
big m: Is there something that you'd like to share with us? By all means, ... please do so.
NickZ
The U.S. Geological Survey announced this week that they have determined that an area of west Texas known as the Wolfcamp shale of the Midland Basin, Permian Basin Province, contains 20 billion barrels of recoverable oil and 16 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas.. This would make it the largest oil and gas field in the United States, three times larger than the Bakken Shale area of North Dakota which has produced huge amounts of oil and gas in recent years and contributed the the United States becoming the largest producer of oil and gas in the world.
https://www.usgs.gov/news/usgs-estimates-20-billion-barrels-oil-texas-wolfcamp-shale-formation
Not to mention what reserves are found in Alaska, which are even bigger yet.
So, let just keep it up until we can't breath any longer, like China has done. Or where I was born, in Venezuela, with the biggest fresh water lake in the world, that drains to the ocean. 4th largest oil producer in the world. Now, after all the drilling rigs there in Maracaibo, lake Maracaibo is now green and smells like rotten eggs. And the people there are getting sick, and are being paid by the nationalized oil companies to move away from there, among other gross situations that the government has caused. And where the people are starving, and have to go to Columbia to buy food. What country will be next?
The irony is that now in the U.S, even any fireplaces will also be outlawed, as well as any wood stoves.
Seems a bit lopsided to me. Are they trying to control us in that way as well?
Quote from: Zephir on November 21, 2016, 07:29:59 AM
https://www.usgs.gov/news/usgs-estimates-20-billion-barrels-oil-texas-wolfcamp-shale-formation (https://www.usgs.gov/news/usgs-estimates-20-billion-barrels-oil-texas-wolfcamp-shale-formation)
If President Elect Trump wants America to become self-sufficient in oil and gas, that's a step in the right direction.
--Lee
That's fine if we want to keep burning things up, for now, but there are better and cleaner ways to go towards self sufficiency.
This last Hurricane OTTO just passed Costa Rica, fortunately I was not affected, as I live on the Pacific side of the country.
However, the eastern coastline, as well as the northern part of the country did not fare so well. It was the worst disaster seen in this country, as well as in Panama, Nicaragua, with total 4 countries seriously affected.
So, in a matter of just a few hours of rain and strong wind, your whole life can be changed. No matter how well you prepare for it.
I am well, as where I live is a special place, not affected by the 7 point earthquake that happened yesterday, either.
No volcanoes near by, either.
That is why I'm here, for the last 33 years, in this particular location, protected from most mayor Earth changes, and catastrophies. Where food can be grown year-round, and with plenty of fresh water, as well.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 22, 2016, 04:18:14 PM
If President Elect Trump wants America to become self-sufficient in oil and gas, that's a step in the right direction.
--Lee
http://www.keelynet.com/news/112516i.html (http://www.keelynet.com/news/112516i.html)
20 Billion barrels oil "reserves" dividing with 8(not 10) : 2,5 Billion barrels recoverable oil
1 ton ~ 6 barrels 400 Million ton recoverable oil
+ gas et cet.
comparing with the article numbers:
total Russia(Arctic,Sibiria) recoverable oil estimation 29 Billion ton
Venezuela: President Maduro seems to not have trouble with his politics and voters :
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fpolitik%2FDas-Volk-hungert-der-Praesident-tanzt-Salsa-article19184011.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fpolitik%2FDas-Volk-hungert-der-Praesident-tanzt-Salsa-article19184011.html&edit-text=)
"Massimo Lider-Rodeo": also in Venezuela ? Um fim muito duro ! Ma !
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fgeschichte%2Farticle135700697%2FNur-wenige-Diktatoren-enden-so-wie-Ceausescu.html&edit-text=
Bye-Bye "Maximo Lider" cubano (not galactic but galicic/ESP)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesschau.de%2Fausland%2Fcastro-171.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesschau.de%2Fausland%2Fcastro-171.html&edit-text=)
Maduro, un pouco duro : tik-tak.tik-tak ,life-watch count-down 8) de ex-provincia romana "Galaecia"
Quote from: NickZ on November 24, 2016, 12:00:10 AM
That's fine if we want to keep burning things up, for now, but there are better and cleaner ways to go towards self sufficiency.
Sure, I agree. He may or may not know something everyone else doesn't. Be that as it may, the situation on the Pipeline route through the Plains States is getting serious. The Native Americans there are getting more and more support from outside interests. They'll defend their land to the death. They have nothing without the land. Death may the only way out for them.
I'm Native American and I know why they think this way. I'm related to them. This could get ugly.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 30, 2016, 10:04:09 PM
Sure, I agree. He may or may not know something everyone else doesn't. Be that as it may, the situation on the Pipeline route through the Plains States is getting serious. The Native Americans there are getting more and more support from outside interests. They'll defend their land to the death. They have nothing without the land. Death may the only way out for them.
I'm Native American and I know why they think this way. I'm related to them. This could get ugly.
--Lee
They are "native Americans": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States)
A native American is never europide ! And have their own territorium!
Mental blood-brother relationship,probably !
The others : "Made in - ex-colonial - U.S.A."
And now,eventually with an anglo(GB)-saxonial(DE) ancients President ,with an East-Europe-born wife (actually)!
Quote from: Zephir on November 21, 2016, 07:29:59 AM
The U.S. Geological Survey announced this week that they have determined that an area of west Texas known as the Wolfcamp shale of the Midland Basin, Permian Basin Province, contains 20 billion barrels of recoverable oil and 16 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas.. This would make it the largest oil and gas field in the United States, three times larger than the Bakken Shale area of North Dakota which has produced huge amounts of oil and gas in recent years and contributed the the United States becoming the largest producer of oil and gas in the world.
https://www.usgs.gov/news/usgs-estimates-20-billion-barrels-oil-texas-wolfcamp-shale-formation (https://www.usgs.gov/news/usgs-estimates-20-billion-barrels-oil-texas-wolfcamp-shale-formation)
http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=14431 (http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=14431)
http://www.kpmg.com/FR/fr/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/Documents/Shale-gas-global-m-and-a-trends.pdf (http://www.kpmg.com/FR/fr/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/Documents/Shale-gas-global-m-and-a-trends.pdf)
The international OPEC and U.S. oil politicians will try to have for the next future the crude oil barrel-price-level between 60 and 70 U.S.$,this is the average break-even level from shale gas to GPL .
http://www.marcellus.psu.edu/resources/PDFs/shalegas_GWPF.pdf (http://www.marcellus.psu.edu/resources/PDFs/shalegas_GWPF.pdf)
http://graphics.wsj.com/oil-barrel-breakdown/
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on November 30, 2016, 10:04:09 PM
Sure, I agree. He may or may not know something everyone else doesn't. Be that as it may, the situation on the Pipeline route through the Plains States is getting serious. The Native Americans there are getting more and more support from outside interests. They'll defend their land to the death. They have nothing without the land. Death may the only way out for them.
I'm Native American and I know why they think this way. I'm related to them. This could get ugly.
--Lee
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2016/09/why_the_sioux_battle_against_the_dakota_access_pipeline_is_such_a_big_deal.html
land and pride ( and independence )
Quote from: lancaIV on December 04, 2016, 07:55:27 AM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2016/09/why_the_sioux_battle_against_the_dakota_access_pipeline_is_such_a_big_deal.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2016/09/why_the_sioux_battle_against_the_dakota_access_pipeline_is_such_a_big_deal.html)
land and pride ( and independence )
Yes, I agree, as a Native American, myself. I'm going to try and make the point: Unfortunately, a dozen pipelines can begin construction all at once, and then, the oil companies can see if millions upon millions of protestors complain about it. Trump can always use the law as a weapon against protest by relying on the National Security implications of that oil coming into the CONUS.
Before my parents passed away from old age, they bought a 40-acre 'ranch', as my Mom put it, and it already had a pipeline that crossed a creek-and-pond-combination of land features with the actual pipe crossing right over the earthen dam in front of the pond.
It was built before they bought the place, so they had to live with the pact that the oil company had the 'easement Right-of-Way'.
--Lee
Quote from: lancaIV on December 04, 2016, 07:55:27 AM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2016/09/why_the_sioux_battle_against_the_dakota_access_pipeline_is_such_a_big_deal.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2016/09/why_the_sioux_battle_against_the_dakota_access_pipeline_is_such_a_big_deal.html)
land and pride ( and independence )
And as a further point to reinforce my last post below:
https://www.lombardiletter.com/china-move-shows-fear-economic-collapse/4979/ (https://www.lombardiletter.com/china-move-shows-fear-economic-collapse/4979/)
https://www.lombardiletter.com/cause-global-economic-collapse-2017/3740/ (https://www.lombardiletter.com/cause-global-economic-collapse-2017/3740/)
https://www.lombardiletter.com/bank-could-drag-down-eurozone/4555/
I think I said in the past that banks and goverments around the world are scrambling to keep the current world money market afloat in order to make the overall situation in terms of economic viability to look better than it really is.
The longer this goes on, the harder the fall will probably be.
As this thread's subject entitles:
The economy will collapse eventually, but it
will happen, eventually.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 30, 2016, 05:12:27 PM
The economy will collapse eventually, but it will happen, eventually.
https://www.lombardiletter.com/warren-buffett-indicator-predicts-stock-market-crash-in-2017/6076/
About 15-20 yrs ago, I read an article that predicted the worldwide economy would suffer a Recession and economic activity would drop to half what is was at the start. It would then remain that way until it finally will have collapsed completely---and millions would starve--to death.
So far, to me, the prediction is holding true. Things aren't going to get better in San Francisco, where I live, in the near---or far---future.
Does anyone disagree with the paragraphs above?
--Lee
This topic is amusing
And Ironic because our very reason for being here
---- the search for free energy -----
Inherently causes economic collapse
When we succeed in our goals, the economy will lose.
When the U.S was d-escalating the Vietnam war, two primary reasons were given
for this d-escalation.
1. To allow the south to establish its own military / defense and win the war on its own. (an impossibility)
2. To allow time for the U.S. economy to adapt, and so avoid a likely economic collapse.
Consider please.
The U.S. could have pulled out immediately, with out economic consequences.
Simply by filling the bombs etc. with wheat flour instead of with explosives.
Then shipping them around, paying soldiers to pretend to fire them, shipping them back,
unpacking them, filling them with the same flour again and so on.
Pay the same price for the flour as for explosives and to the same corporations, who in turn pay
the same employees to mix flour instead of explosives and so on and on.
But no this is crazy and wasteful, and bombing people for the sake of an economy is not !
floor
Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 23, 2017, 11:01:38 PM
This topic is amusing
And Ironic because our very reason for being here
---- the search for free energy -----
Inherently causes economic collapse
When we succeed in our goals, the economy will lose.
In the time since I started this thread, I've paused and reflected a few times:
There are more than economic factors the can contribute to economic collapse...
1) Belligerent Chinese and North Korean Communists
2) ISIS and other organizations becoming more vicious and attacking many targets at once
3) a 9+ point Richter-scale earthquake hitting Calif
4) Same as #3, but for the Midwest or N. Utah(Salt Lake City)
There might be others, but those above were first in my mind.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 24, 2017, 05:12:40 PM
In the time since I started this thread, I've paused and reflected a few times:
There are more than economic factors the can contribute to economic collapse...
1) Belligerent Chinese and North Korean Communists
Pertaining to #1 above...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/dprk/2017/dprk-170127-sputnik01.htm?_m=3n.002a.1925.up0ao0822n.1rqz
Right. IMHO, both Communists and Fascists have a double standard: A much better one in terms of positive conditions in their midst---and the opposite one for their 'perceived' enemies. They only care about themselves and they can think all others can go hell.
Unfortunately, their navy has improved ships and they're building more---(certainly!)---as I write. That's where I come in for the West and Americans. I'm doing work for a think tank and we'll see where that goes after that. In due course, I'll be called in to work full time.
It's coming.
--Lee
Hello again everyone,I've been busy with other projects and also waiting to see what Trump does.So I have not been here since last Nov.I,m convinced that Gold will keep going up in value as it has done all my life.I believe that it may hit the five thousand dollar an ounce mark.I know I cant eat gold but I'm now old enough to fish without a liscence in the state of Missouri. One of the perks? of turning 65?
triffid
Quote from: triffid on February 06, 2017, 10:40:08 AM
One of the perks? of turning 65?
triffid
Maybe so, triffid.
I get to sit in the front of a Metro SF bus because I'm 69, now. A disabled Vet, too. Twice as good of a reason.
But, take a look at this...
http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/765847/financial-crash-China-debt-bubble-economic-
disaster-2008
So.
My
former critics on this board have shut up by now. triffid never criticized my opinion. He agrees: The ecomomy is headed for a VERY high cliff, sooner or later.
China is being run by Chinese Asian criminals who want to do anything they think will give them the most power in all possible things for their country and Asia in general.
They're the greediest people I ever knew of. AND, they can't have everything---even though that's what they want---at least in their part of the world.
Does anyone disagree?
China can prop up its markets only so long as its currency reserve(s) are available to spend. Right? When these are gone they'll have economic hell to pay. Right.
Look out for the future. I've already made suggestions as of how to get ready for the approaching collapse. It's coming and the Chinese look like the biggest player---followed (?)---by Greece to start the winter snowball downhill toward an economy sitting like a small village in its' path.
Squish and
crunch.
--Lee
Hey triffid, and all other readers...
Big Brother is here in S.F.
How so?
The Westfield Shopping Mall, just west of downtown Sf, has Mall Security plainclothes security people standing at door entrances to keep out smelly, filthy vagrants who try and get to the food court, downstairs, and pick up thrown away food from tables and trash cans.
Talk about Big Brother! I was homeless. I was hungry. I know how hard life can be on the streets.
These S.O.B.'s are insensitive! As Trump would possibly say, "Sad!"
--Lee
hey triffid,
Just found this on the 'Web:
http://lifefreeenergy.com/o/overunity.html
There's a picture down the page of a set of very bright light bulbs/LED's/or something similar to it shining its output light about 5" to a solar-style panel and then back to the light source in a closed loop.
This is what Don Smith was trying to convey, AFAIK. Just use more panels to ensure there's enough light to do the job.
What to you think after you look at the 'Web page...?
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on January 28, 2017, 06:04:22 PM
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/dprk/2017/dprk-170127-sputnik01.htm?_m=3n.002a.1925.up0ao0822n.1rqz (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/dprk/2017/dprk-170127-sputnik01.htm?_m=3n.002a.1925.up0ao0822n.1rqz)
Right. IMHO, both Communists and Fascists have a double standard: A much better one in terms of positive conditions in their midst---and the opposite one for their 'perceived' enemies. They only care about themselves and they can think all others can go hell.
Unfortunately, their navy has improved ships and they're building more---(certainly!)---as I write. That's where I come in for the West and Americans. I'm doing work for a think tank and we'll see where that goes after that. In due course, I'll be called in to work full time.
It's coming.
It may finally be here. A certain individual indicated to me that conditions around the world and nationally were proper enough that I'd be called in for an initial interview. The job was always going to convert to full time eventually, but there wasn't a timetable for that until now.
Looks like to me a maximum of 3-4 weeks in the future.
This info was for anyone/everyone, but especially for triffid.
--Lee
Hey everyone,
The indications are still there to be seen:
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article58355.html
Yeah. I know I've been saying the same thing for about 3 years, now, but individuals, corporations and governments have all tried like hell to keep the world economy going as long as possible. Okay, it's worked until now. There's only so much money they can spend until it's gone. When it is gone, the economic house of cards will flatten like being rolled over by an Abrams tank.
I simply didn't see the ability of the bankers and Gov'ts being able to forestall the inevitable worldwide money depression coming. It can't be stopped; only postponed.
--Lee
Aye, things are getting might weird. Can't say that I blame China.
They are well aware of what is coming:
Should We Ourselves Brace for March 15? (https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/03/james-perloff-march-15.html)
Quote from: SeaMonkey on March 08, 2017, 07:05:33 PM
Aye, things are getting might weird. Can't say that I blame China.
They are well aware of what is coming:
Should We Ourselves Brace for March 15? (https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/03/james-perloff-march-15.html)
Well! I didn't actually know all those things occurred on the 15th of March. Really.
But, you forgot one:
The "Ides of March"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ides_of_March
Now, I really believe you. My literary addition above was sparked and initiated by the mere remembrance of the date. Add one more to the list.
--Lee
Everyone,
There's something else I saw today...
http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/09/investing/retail-bubble-amazon-urban-outfitters-ceo/index.html?iid=hp-toplead-dom
Now, I see this as true: Stores are closing randomly and their empty venues sit empty for months and months. I'm seeing this more and more often. That's why this thread is here and it's one of the longer ones on the hosting site, www.overunity.com .
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on March 08, 2017, 07:30:51 PM
Well! I didn't actually know all those things occurred on the 15th of March. Really.
But, you forgot one:
The "Ides of March"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ides_of_March (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ides_of_March)
Now, I really believe you. My literary addition above was sparked and initiated by the mere remembrance of the date. Add one more to the list.
--Lee
Maybe the Doomsayers were right...??? (this was actually 3 question marks---but the smiley is still okay)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-15/china-halts-trading-bond-futures-after-record-bond-market-crash
My question now is: Does this or does it not continue?
March 15 (today, as of this writing), is supposed to be some kind of day of reckoning, but obviously we'll see in the future.
More of the same news:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/chinas-stock-market-crash-is-just-beginning-2015-07-08
--Lee
Hey Guys,
Just to let you know (JTLYK),
Radio Shack in 'throwing in the towel', so to speak, and they're selling everything in their stores at 10-30+% on all items in stock. Then they're quitting business and not coming back.
Have any of you see their stores? triffid lives/lived in the St. Louis area, and I know the city is big enough to have a Radio Shack store.
And, JTLYK, a Radio Shack store manager told me once that buying the electronic components for an atom bomb would get you put on a Gov't list and they (MIB's?) would drop by your house, at the very least. The manager didn't tell me what those components were. I'm not interested in the subject, anyway.
I can't think of anything like Radio Shack in the retail sector of the economy to replace radio Shack. Grainger and Mouser are OEM suppliers, but it would help to buy in volume from them.
Other than that, the economy is doing what it's doing. I see business close about once a week. It didn't used to be like that.
--Lee
Sorry,I haven't been here in a while.Radio Shack did go out of business here in the St.Louis area.At least the two stores I knew about did.But Harbor Freight still sells wires with both alligator clips on them.I have a Harbor Freight to go to.The last two months(feb and march) were bad months for retail.About thirty thousand jobs per month lost.I still see Gold going up to five thousand an ounce.About 1250 dollars/oz right now.Paper money vs gold has always lost value.
I did make out like a bandit on one radio shack sale .About 12 dollars on over a thousand dollars worth of parts.About two years ago.That was on leds,connectors,capacitors,and resistors.I was in the right place at the right time.10 dollars a big bag was the deal that day.triffid
I'm glad Trump ordered a strike on Syria.About five years too late!
triffid
Quote from: triffid on April 10, 2017, 10:20:28 AM
I'm glad Trump ordered a strike on Syria.About five years too late!
triffid
triffid,
Well, I'd say the N. Koreans are worse than the Russians or Chinese. AND there's an American Navy task force heading their way, as I write. Doesn't look good.
--Lee
I agree,it doesn't look good at all.I guess Trump doesn't look too good saying he's willing to meet face to face with the North Korean leader.triffid
I may have to change my opinion on gold.I read from a book by Dave Ramsey that Gold is not a way out of a crisis.You can't eat gold.A can of beans may be better barter goods than gold coins.Almost no one takes gold coins for payment despite popular belief.
Still I wouldn't mind owning some. triffid
Better forget those bitcoins.You would do better picking up 3 pennies up off the street per day.81,000 of the lesser coins (Satoshi) equals one dollar right now.1250 dollars equals one lousy bitcoin right now.These quotes are a few days old.Im sure nothing has really changed in that time.
Quote from: triffid on May 04, 2017, 10:00:48 AM
I may have to change my opinion on gold.I read from a book by Dave Ramsey that Gold is not a way out of a crisis.You can't eat gold.A can of beans may be better barter goods than gold coins.
Not only can you not eat it, the stuff is heavy--not good if you find yourself on the move.
Dave Ramsey did say that about gold in his book "Total Money Makeover".Says gold coins are not used (for trade)in a crisis.Some government just issues new paper money.And since the common people have little choice in the matter the new money is what they use.triffid
Last year took a devastating toll on the retail industry and the carnage will continue in 2017. A number of chains will likely not survive the year and many that do will finish 2017 smaller than before.This includes J.C. Penny and Sears.triffid
The brics need to come off that dollar,away from it
I haven't been here a while.Looks like Trump is doing something with North Korea like he said he would in a book he wrote on what he would do if he were president (cc.2000).Nukes aren't the only things to worry about.triffid
Quote from: triffid on August 12, 2017, 01:02:34 PM
I haven't been here a while.
Hey triffid,
I haven't been here in a while, and I started this thread.
Tell you what, I'll upload this to Overunity, from overunityresearch.com:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1002.0
I'm glad to see the thread is still getting views. BTW, I've just about determined, theoretically, that 7 times the wattage of solar cells/panels will maintain a charge on a battery (set of) essentially forever. the more the better, though.
QuoteLooks like Trump is doing something with North Korea like he said he would in a book he wrote on what he would do if he were president (cc.2000).
Yeah, but a news report recently indicated that 1/2 of the country doesn't think he deserves to be President.
He's kinda outnumbered by nay-sayers.
Quote
Nukes aren't the only things to worry about.triffid
Right. the economy is still going by mostly human Free Will and the money-shifting games power brokers are playing, IMHO.
I
could say it'll all end, but I
do say, I
don't know when.
--Lee
'I could say it'll all end, but I do say, I don't know
when.'
I had a vision.I saw a man,perhaps a turk or from thereabouts who had the knowledge of me,you and Him combined.don't just sit there and dine.
Quote from: sm0ky2 on January 23, 2017, 11:01:38 PM
This topic is amusing
And Ironic because our very reason for being here
---- the search for free energy -----
Inherently causes economic collapse
Hasn't happened, yet, has it? The power broker men control the money. They can control a helluva lot more than that depending on money, if they like.
QuoteWhen we succeed in our goals, the economy will lose.
As I implied(?) before, natural disasters can potentially put a "crimp" in the economy's "style" and such a thing---if it happens---is hard to predict.
Quote from: profitis on October 06, 2017, 08:32:34 AM
'I could say it'll all end, but I do say, I don't know
when.'
I had a vision.I saw a man,perhaps a turk or from thereabouts who had the knowledge of me,you and Him combined.don't just sit there and dine.
Does this man (Turk, or otherwise?) know anything about Free Energy?
Is he associated with ISIS?
Is he working for the CIA, NSA, Foreign Gov'ts?
I'm Native American and I have visions, too. I don't 'see' anyone saving the economy or humanity in the future.
Oh, BTW, what's your part in this, if anything?
--Lee
"Is he working for the CIA, NSA, Foreign Gov'ts?"
Russia
Oh, BTW, what's your part in this, if anything?
--Lee
I'm just a fore-teller
Quote from: profitis on October 07, 2017, 04:13:11 AM
"Is he working for the CIA, NSA, Foreign Gov'ts?"
Russia
Well, now, since I'm Jewish and I consider myself I'm a Native American (Shamanistic),
and this fact was brought to me when I had to accept a particular job with a "Group" having far reaching connections; my point is:
I. Work. For. Someone. As. Well.
To be informative, I do engineering studies, including free energy---hence my presence on this site.
IMHO,
If this guy works for Russia, then, I can't trust him, or anyone like him, any further than I can throw the Kremlin.
I believe you. I think you saw, what you saw. But, Russia is on my list of 'baddies', and I'm informed by certain individuals:
He can be watched: Whether he likes it or not.
Oh, BTW, what's your part in this, if anything?
--Lee
Quote
I'm just a fore-teller
I have a girlfriend who's a Gypsy. She says I had a VERY distant ancestor in Constantinople who was a Gypsy.
I agree with her. I'm Shamanistic Native American and Gypsy, as well. (We're also both Cherokee Indian.)
I can fortell the future---mostly for myself and my survival. If you can do the same thing, then Okay.
"What's MY part in this, if anything?", you ask and I reply...
Part of my job, which is classified. I see things around me, I do engineering, and some of my results are shared with certain "vested interests". They could be anywhere. Mostly they're into national security, hence the security clearance I have.
Please be aware: I can merely state an opinion here in this public forum. That's perfectly legal. So, I'm doing just that.
Lastly, this site and any others like are being watched by these associates and others---whether anyone likes it or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DXYzq6dT74
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1EDKAW6DKw
--Lee
"Lastly, this site and any others like are being
watched by these associates and others"
I'll say.hey, so what do you see/feel about my predictions
of a new monstrosity of an easy bomb being born.I'm pretty
intuitive when it comes to physics and I can assure you
that science is faaaaaaaaar from its Zenith.do you also see it happening in future?if so what measures are in place to control such an horror formula from propogation proliferation through the entire globe.
"I have a girlfriend who's a Gypsy."
Oooh I just luuuurve exotic chiks
Quote from: profitis on October 08, 2017, 02:05:29 PM
Quote"Lastly, this site and any others like are being
watched by these associates and others"
(my own quote:...'whether they like it or not.'
That was part of my point:
This country is headed for a "fall", in several ways, and the landing at the bottom will be particularly hard.
There's a 'deep state' at work in this country that will contribute to this "fall". Nothing can stop it. As King David said in the Biblical Song of David, and later repeated in the gist, by the Apostle Paul:
"There is no good man; no not one."
Paul said,
"None are righteous; no not one."
Everyone alive on the planet will feel the effects of this karma.
QuoteI'll say.hey, so what do you see/feel about my predictions
of a new monstrosity of an easy bomb being born.
As a secondhand personal opinion, it already exists. Whatever you intuited, it's correct. Moreover, the least powerful stuff is low-powered compared to more explosive stuff.
What to do about it? Nothing I can do. If I try, I become a target, and I'm outnumbered by Bad Guys, who wouldn't mind taking me out of 'the picture' if I become a thorn in someone's side, so to speak.
QuoteI'm pretty intuitive when it comes to physics and I can assure you that science is faaaaaaaaar from its Zenith.
Well, I've been told classified information that I can't divulge. But, to be agreeable, I actually agree with you (no pun intended).
Quotedo you also see it happening in future?
See what? The proliferation of this 'easy bomb', as you put it? It already has happened. And, as a personal opinion, it was done on purpose.
Why?
Someone or something want people on this planet dead---everyone, if possible---and preferably totally and ASAP.
Who is that?
Here's a list; pick one, if you like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories
Quoteif so what measures are in place to control such an horror formula from propogation (propagation) proliferation through the entire globe.
As I said, nothing, and for the reason I gave: It was done deliberately. Opinion: The same goes for the Atom Bomb for the same reason.
Please be aware; I have a security clearance that comes with the job I have (it was one 'that I couldn't refuse.' Literally. These types of jobs do really exist.
Quote"I have a girlfriend who's a Gypsy."
Oooh I just luuuurve exotic chiks
When she saw that quote, she didn't say anything. Her eyes said it all."
--Lee
"See what? The proliferation of this 'easy bomb',
as you put it? It already has happened. And, as a
personal opinion, it was done on purpose"
your telling me that all those niggers,chinks,snakbars and goons out there already have this thing?
Well I'l be damned
"As a secondhand personal opinion, it already
exists. Whatever you intuited, it's correct.
Moreover, the least powerful stuff is low-powered
compared to more explosive stuff."
I'm not talking about subcritical HEU 235 here son.there's plenty that in few hands I know.
I'm talking about a completely new bomb that don't
need any enriched fuel at all but capable of perhaps
similar destruction or triggering similar destruction.
Are we talking about the same thing?surely if it already exists
then we would all know about it by now.
"There's a 'deep state' at work in this country that
will contribute to this "fall". Nothing can stop it."
Your saying that there's a group in america that wants
to destroy america or there's a group in america that
cannot help but destroy america?
"But, to be agreeable, I actually agree
with you"
tnx buddy
"As I said, nothing, and for the reason I gave: It
was done deliberately."
It may have been sped up yes but I dont think that it
has been perfected.or has it? Again surely this would
be common knowledge if it were.maybe america already has this thing? An HEU-less atom bomb?has
america got such a thing or not give me a straight
answer
"When she saw that quote, she didn't say
anything. Her eyes said it all."
Those betty-davis eyes aww ur a lucky man
Profitis
You are bordering on showing that you are a terrorist. Showing and telling about making atom bombs is not a good thing in the least. This nor any web site is a good place for that nonsense.
First thing Im going to do is get on the horn with Stefan and have you removed from the forum permanently. Not just put on moderation. This site is for research of things that are and would be good for the world. You are presenting things that are bad for the world. You apparently want to see people die.
Second thing Im going to do is get my buddy in gov to look over your posts, find out where you are and you will have issues very soon. I dont care if you say you will stop now. I wouldnt buy that jargon. This is it. Im getting calls from others here about this and now I see what they are saying. This is it. Its over.
That is all I have to say here. Stefan has been hard to reach as he is busy with his life at the moment. So my second option is next on my agenda this evening. have a nice day. While it lasts. ;)
Magluvin
Mags
Thanks !!
Chet
Quote from: ramset on October 08, 2017, 08:25:26 PM
Mags
Thanks !!
Chet
No problem Chet.. My buddy is looking it over as we speak. Said even if Prof just messing around, these things are taken seriously. Thats what terrorists watch lists are for. ;)
After I got off the phone I had a slightly bad feeling about it all. Thought some more and I dont care. His family doesnt need to be around someone like that, let alone anyone else. Its just insane.
Anyway its done.
"You are bordering on showing that you are a
terrorist. Showing and telling about making atom
bombs is not a good thing in the least."
Relaaax sitdown take a chillpill man.maybe some niknacks.I'm just sayn what's on everyones mind namsayn I'm no fuckin terrow.its no use burying
this shit u might aswell make it easier for u
"This nor any
web site is a good place for that nonsense."
Ur shitting me right.this is the crem-de-crem of the
chessworl with everything innit but Yull Brenno ait
"First thing Im going to do is get on the horn with
Stefan and have you removed from the forum
permanently. Not just put on moderation."
Relaaax namsayn I behave ait.I'm thru with that
shit..(pffff)
"This site is
for research of things that are and would be good for
the world. You are presenting things that are bad for
the world. You apparently want to see people die."
Hey hey every coin has its shitty side namsayn.
Am I right or am I right.don't go for the blame-game
when your in the same-train.
"Second thing Im going to do is get my buddy in gov to
look over your posts, find out where you are and you
will have issues very soon. I dont care if you say you
will stop now. I wouldnt buy that jargon. This is it. Im
getting calls from others here about this and now I
see what they are saying. This is it. Its over."
Hey hey now.its not as if charlie don't have my ip address namsayn.you C,I come in peace my brother
"That is all I have to say here. Stefan has been hard to
reach as he is busy with his life at the moment. So my
second option is next on my agenda this evening.
have a nice day. While it lasts"
Well where is the motherfukka I havnt seen him round
since las year man.why's he so busy awsudden.anyhow that's lame man I told you,that thread is done
Guys,
On the topic of this thread...
Take a look at this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-29/the-biggest-stock-collapse-in-world-history-has-no-end-in-sight
If this---above---has been going on a while, with no end in sight, as it was said, I agree.
When...the economy?... will it hit bottom?
As I think I said before, free will might forestall The END, but not forever, and I have nothing to do with controlling the rest of the world. I don't think anyone has.
--Lee
It is possible to destroy any country in one night without weapons with hundred people only. Look the document: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R42795.pdf
If terrorists detroy high voltage transformers in substations: no electricity for months ! no water, no oil, no light, no heating, no communication, etc. and the worst month is November !
Quote from: EOW on November 14, 2017, 11:11:52 AM
It is possible to destroy any country in one night without weapons with hundred people only. Look the document: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R42795.pdf (https://fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R42795.pdf)
If terrorists detroy (destroy) high voltage transformers in substations: no electricity for months ! no water, no oil, no light, no heating, no communication, etc. and the worst month is November !
Thank you, EOW, for that excellent point.
He's right! Even in high school, I hung around
highly intelligent 'nerds' who mused and posited the same thing.
Did you notice? When terrorists destroyed the Twin towers in NYC, they did little to stop financial trading. Nightly backups at the close of daily business hours is routine. Big deal about the Towers. Their loss set business back a bit, but they didn't blow up power substation lines as those lines will have radiated into the commercial/residential community, did they? No. Doing that would cause a lot more concern to the 'The' lawful 'Authorities' than the Twin Towers falling merely to the ground---in thousands of tons of mangled concrete and rebar wreckage.
The WTC is being---or has been---rebuilt as I write.
But, you're correct.
More security methods and/or techniques need to be addressed toward the apparently fragile electrical power infrastructure of the Lower 48, CONUS, and I mean, NOW!!
--Lee
That's why making your own electricity is so important.At least enough for radio communications and some lights.Easier than you might imagine.Im on my way to being my own power station.triffid
The economy has boom and bust cycles. What goes down must come back up. Charles Kindelberger calls them "Mania and recessions". A bubble creates a mania for a while, then investors learn they have borrowed too much and their assets will not go enough to make minimum payments on their loans, and they start a hot sale to take a small loss instead of a bigger loss.
Try to find one of his books, interesting reading.
Quote from: triffid on November 16, 2017, 09:32:58 AM
That's why making your own electricity is so important.At least enough for radio communications and some lights.Easier than you might imagine.Im on my way to being my own power station.triffid
I absolutely agree.
But, according to the following and related news articles, nuclear war with N. Korea could get really ugly---and our forces are WAY outnumbered on the ground.
Take a look at this...
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/11/17/preventive-war-with-north-korea-would-be-total-hell-heres-why.html (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/11/17/preventive-war-with-north-korea-would-be-total-hell-heres-why.html)
So. We may or may not be running out of time before the "you-know-what" hits the "you-know where".
--Lee
" But, according to the following and related news
articles, nuclear war with N. Korea could get really
ugly---and our forces are WAY outnumbered on the
ground"
To the contrary.he may just slip the nukes over to friends and then scatter.anybody think about this?
Here's something that's been at the back of my mind for awhile:
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/897894/Chinese-shadow-debt-an-18-5-TRILLION-market-which-could-COLLAPSE-the-banking-system
Right, now. I think that much money would possible cause market disruptions "down the road", so to speak.
18 trillion surprised me to some extent.
--Lee
I agree with Lee about China's debt problem.I refuse to invest in any stocks that are located in China.The Chinese could turn ugly(overnight) against any Americans investing in their country.China followed the USA in securing more debt.As long as there are
investors to buy their debt.They like the USA will continue to kick their debt problem down the road to a later generation.triffid
Quote from: triffid on February 08, 2018, 09:36:45 AM
I agree with Lee about China's debt problem.
Right, but there's something else I'm noticing here in San Francisco:
Fewer people in the local public library.
The low- to very-low-income people go the the library to get out of the weather elements.
I regularly see empty chairs in front of computer terminals.
Where are all these people?
I can easily jaywalk across Market St., even at noon. That would've been impossible 1-2 yrs. ago. Those cars are gone.
Am I the only one who sees this going on?
--Lee
S.F. screwed themselves by allowing the corporate interests to take over
it's not only expensive, but inconvenient to exist there.
Besides the fact that the city itself is the very place our grandparents
talked about....
walking to school in the freezing rain, uphill both ways...
Undeniably one of the least desirable places in America.
looking for the population?
cross the south bridge, they all moved out.
"looking for the population?
cross the south bridge, they all moved out."..... thanx
Just when I thought it couldn't get worse I find this news:
Two companies are currently engaged in the late stages of commencing to mine seafloor massive sulfides. Nautilus Minerals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus_Minerals) is in the advanced stages of commencing extraction from its Solwarra deposit, in the Bismarck Archipelago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismarck_Archipelago), and Neptune Minerals is at an earlier stage with its Rumble II West deposit, located on the Kermadec Arc (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermadec_Arc), near the Kermadec Islands (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermadec_Islands). Both companies are proposing using modified existing technology. Nautilus Minerals, in partnership with Placer Dome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placer_Dome) (now part of Barrick Gold (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrick_Gold)), succeeded in 2006 in returning over 10 metric tons of mined SMS to the surface using modified drum cutters mounted on an ROV, a world first. Neptune Minerals in 2007 succeeded in recovering SMS sediment samples using a modified oil industry suction pump mounted on an ROV, also a world first.
Potential seafloor mining has environmental impacts including dust plumes from mining machinery affecting filter-feeding organisms, collapsing or reopening vents, methane clathrate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate) release, or even sub-oceanic land slides. A large amount of work is currently being engaged in by both the above-mentioned companies to ensure that potential environmental impacts of seafloor mining are well understood and control measures are implemented, before exploitation commences.
Attempts have been made in the past to exploit minerals from the seafloor. The 1960s and 70s saw a great deal of activity (and expenditure) in the recovery of manganese nodules (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manganese_nodule) from the abyssal plains (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyssal_plain), with varying degrees of success. This does demonstrate however that recovery of minerals from the seafloor is possible, and has been possible for some time. Interestingly, mining of manganese nodules served as a cover story for the elaborate attempt in 1974 by the CIA to raise the sunken Soviet submarine K-129 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-129_(1960)), using the Glomar Explorer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glomar_Explorer), a ship purpose built for the task by Howard Hughes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes). The operation was known as Project Azorian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian), and the cover story of seafloor mining of manganese nodules may have served as the impetus to propel other companies to make the attempt.
I find this troubling,because these creatures can live nowhere else.The underwater ores are said to be ten times richer than any on land.So these creatures will be destroyed in the name of gold and silver mining.It will make gold cheaper as it will increase supply.
triffid
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on February 08, 2018, 05:27:44 PM
Am I the only one who sees this going on?
--Lee
It gets worse, IMO...
I'm seeing---pretty regularly---local homeless people being taken a the hospital in an ambulance.
They sometimes ask for help by cellphone---even in front of soup kitchens.
That's not such a problem for me yet. I still have an income.
I'm a 'senior citizen', now, so I get in sooner than most people.
BUT, that doesn't let off the businessmen who set these
high prices.
Will the middle class disappear?
"...looking for the population?
cross the south bridge, they all moved out."
--sm0ky2
Well, really, prices have risen on houses for, say, 59 straight months, running.
They're coming from somewhere, aren't they?
Just saying...
--Lee
The middle class in the USA will get smaller than it is today.The upper ten percent of the top one percent will continue to get richer as they are able to buy the politicians vote on tax laws that benefit them and put the tax burden on the rest of us.At least this is what I see happening.Also our elected leaders will continue to lie to us on different issues.Mostly taxes.Maybe a war or two.triffid
Where is your rich/poor frontier line ?
Is this a quantitative or qualitative definition by yourself or common knowledge ?
Pareto-maths included ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle)
But is in this empirical math-model(l) and the stated result not one syntax-error about rich/poor statements?
Erbe/heranca/heritage
When has the grand-parents,later the parents,later their childs to give or receive
-the ancients their culture/material property-
to manage this possible richdom for the "generation (over-)next" ?
For example using the german "finance property" piramide numbers(actual study) from the base up :
the first 25% from the private households : negative up to zero finance
the next 50% : zero up to 15000 Euros
not much comparing with new car prices( there are many "Diesel-positive" cases now) or new household furniture and kitchen prices ( up to 75000 Euros)
This are households living from salary and/or pension liquidity,
now this society will become stressed for the next decades by the TIER and 4.th industrial and service [size=78%]industry revolution,with work places diminuation, in geral 50% and in the service sector -for example banking- up to 90% as reported by Price Waterhouse and Centralbank -studies !
Also the Estate administrations worldwide will outsizing "men power",
if not friendly and by "common sense" then "mobbing included" and other
" junk bodies burning-out strategies".
Why shall the US-economy household be different and not as same as the european household ?
Looking to the Dollar
and the short-form symbol :
S for silver
(ancient silver-standard; the european,better:empirial Habsburger, KarlV-Thaler which was used in the european colonies, now -since 1776- known as U.S.A.,as common accepted money)
and the "holy Parity"-strings
as centralbank-warranty( Federal Bank of Reserve) that the notes/bonds/obrigations are guaranted by the deposited silver/gold reserves in the 1:1 parity
It will be really interstant how the "emitted and/or printed" trillions(english)(billions in german )of
U.S.-american Dollar=Thaler debt will become paid in hard -material-cash value to the credit holder !
Sincerely
OCWL
Quote
"...looking for the population?
cross the south bridge, they all moved out."
--sm0ky2
Well, really, prices have risen on houses for, say, 59 straight months, running.
They're coming from somewhere, aren't they?
Just saying...
--Lee
On a more economic topic, I saw this about 20 minutes ago:
https://www.thenational.ae/business/money/is-the-stock-market-volatility-over-or-are-we-due-a-full-blown-crash-1.710334 (https://www.thenational.ae/business/money/is-the-stock-market-volatility-over-or-are-we-due-a-full-blown-crash-1.710334)
This reporter above basically indicates---to my understanding---there are more players to be 'taken down' by a big slump; if there is one on the horizon---as some say.
Oh, yeah:
I'm staying in a homeless shelter and 2-3 times a week I see an ambulance pull up and take another sufferer of the Great Recession+ (plus sign) to a local hospital.
NOW, I think I have the reason:
The unfortunately indigent lowest income San Franciscians have so little money, they're physically starving to death. The city Fathers don't want tourism to fall off, so the ambulances are kept busy.
But MORE starvation is coming, I believe, and worse: Baby Boomers are getting to be 70-80 yrs. old, and then the winter rains and cold will begin thinning out their numbers, so to speak.
The same will happen in other parts of the country---especially in the North and Northeast.
The social ramifications may be enormous.
--Lee
I guess cancer will thin out the herd of baby boomers too.This week I just heard , one of my friends was told he has pancreatic cancer.He expressed hope that he could survive 10 to 11 years with treatment.Went from a size 44 waist to a 32inch waist in the last two months.He was told hes in stage two.Means its spreading to other tissues.triffid
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=salmon+cannon&view=detail&mid=BF6E1E4B66729B4FF97DBF6E1E4B66729B4FF97D&FORM=VIRE
On a more positive note I just heard about a salmon cannon that helps salmon get over dams during spawning season.
Hope the link works.triffid
Something about economic system confidence :
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/finanzen/finanzmarkt/beate-uhse-glaeubiger-sollen-nur-18-70-euro-bekommen-15483519.html (http://www.faz.net/aktuell/finanzen/finanzmarkt/beate-uhse-glaeubiger-sollen-nur-18-70-euro-bekommen-15483519.html)
obligation/bond investment 1000 Euros
Return of Investment 18.7 Euros
ergo: 1,87 % Insolvency-quote
in the 80` the geral Insolvency-quote(Ex-Massekonkursquote) has been also < 5%
it does not surprise,
macro-economical calculation
new object nominal brutto 120 Units (brutto: Mehrwert-/Umsatzsteuer,IVA,tax)
netto 100 Units (netto: tax excluded)
used object
finance-technical "Niederstwert"-principle netto/net 30 Units
Abschreibung fuer Amortisation,progressive netto/net 7,5 Units
sub-prime quote max.,2.Rang,risc tax netto/net 6 Units
prime rate quote max.,1.Rang netto/net 4,5 Units
worldwide there is a 4,5/100 Syntax error in "the central banks books":
95% bad "junk" central bank and 5%=Rest "good" central bank
actually: JP Morgan Bank warns about more than 40% share price decrease in the next years
good economy and bad economy
good society and bad society
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kurz_(philosopher (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kurz_(philosopher))
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzbuch_Kapitalismus (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzbuch_Kapitalismus)
Schwarzbuch_Kapitalismus (Individual) ~ Schwarzbuch_Kommunismus (Social)
Weissbuch Weissbuch
I like more the Kontradjef/Elliott Wave Theory,also studied by Schumpeter
and the autocratic Darwin/Galton/Gauss Evolution-Process :
Schoepferische Zerstoerung
Constructive Destruction
They-see-also-something-coming: https://www.clubofrome.org/activities/reports/ (https://www.clubofrome.org/activities/reports/)
about creativity and local/global problems-solving :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrich_Altshuller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrich_Altshuller) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIZ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIZ)
about "shelter" ideas ,
using
Harvard University architecture network competition (Elementals social housing,jovoto 300$ house)
Federation of American Scientists "social housing" program numbers
UN-ESCO/-Habitat information
and the native Kobenhavn-Piraterepublik-spirit from www.N55.dk
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas (https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas)
extraordinary example:
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12769 (https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12769)
comparing F.A.S.org social house "Expanded Family 78-72 sqm"
" Starter Family 38-32 sqm" numbers
Ob-Dach-los/"Heimat"-Vertriebene in german,sem abrigo/sem terra in portuguese,home-less in english
Sociology (economy-right-common sense) science :
existential body/mind "wellness feeling" needs -by cultural view without "luxury(Lukullus)" :
a. organized project https://www.tamera.org/ (https://www.tamera.org/)
b. by self decision as low/zero-fingerprint-organisation and off-grid,
but not off-society ,probably a barter-economy (tit for tat)
shelter,food+water,warm/fresh ambiental climate conditioning,health
shelter : the Harvard University jovoto 300US$ competition
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas (https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas)
or the Harvard University social-housing "Elemental" architecture competition
https://br.pinterest.com/explore/elemental-chile/ (https://br.pinterest.com/explore/elemental-chile/)
~ 3rd "BAUHAUS"-competition,social housing for Santiago de Chile/Chile
1st."Weissenhof-Siedlung,Stuttgart" https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauhaus (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauhaus)
food: eco-farming and permaculture,aquaponds
https://www.motherearthnews.com/homesteading-and-livestock/rex-oberhelman-zmaz86mazgoe?SlideShow=1 (https://www.motherearthnews.com/homesteading-and-livestock/rex-oberhelman-zmaz86mazgoe?SlideShow=1)
http://getsustainablenow.org/slp/ecogenics/intro.html (http://getsustainablenow.org/slp/ecogenics/intro.html)
http://rexresearch.com/murray/murray.htm (http://rexresearch.com/murray/murray.htm)
http://canlaser.com/en/Deserts.aspx (http://canlaser.com/en/Deserts.aspx)
energy :
mtbest.net (Australia) 800Whmax per day (? consumer)
http://mtbest.net/household_efficiency.pdf (http://mtbest.net/household_efficiency.pdf)
consume down to 400Whmax per day by resonance circuit use
energy-source: refillable water-to-electricity-battery
Scottish eco-pioneer Kerr "glow zone" applied
https://richsoil.com/electric-heat.jsp (https://richsoil.com/electric-heat.jsp)
https://youtu.be/CqJoXyBuxRw
how much heat/cold is per body needed ?
a.wet/dry air condition
b. standing/flowing-streaming air condition
(relatively) naked versus enclosed body
physical temperature versus psychological "feeling" temperature
-110° C wellness chamber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUuCKjfhbO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUuCKjfhbO8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyY_-brFt8c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyY_-brFt8c)
Anti-cancer treatment ? cancer-cells are (relatively) hotter can healthy cells
how long in minutes,hours,days,weeks,months
-110 C up to 0°C up to 15°C body/mind healthy
with
a. Bikini
b. conventional hot/cold whe(a)ter/Wetter wear
c. Thermo-/Cryo-body-Overall (like in the "DUNE"-movie)
d. Thermo-/Cryo-body-Overall + hot/cool- Tex-coating
Tex-coating:
https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11044 (https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11044)
We painted a pair of socks with combo 2 and our socks warmed up so much in 5 minutes we couldn't even wear them any longer because of the heat.
d. heat watch https://newatlas.com/wristify-thermoelectric-bracelet/29543/ (https://newatlas.com/wristify-thermoelectric-bracelet/29543/)
They discovered that a change of 0.1° C (0.18° F) a second is the minimum rate required to make the entire body feel several degrees warmer or colder.
e. e-wear : low electricity consume down to 12 W per body
By wearing clothes that have been dip-coated in a silver nanowire (AgNW) solution that is highly radiation-insulating, a person may stay so warm in the winter that they can greatly reduce or even eliminate their need for heating their home
http://rexresearch.com/cuinanoagwire/cuinanoag.html (http://rexresearch.com/cuinanoagwire/cuinanoag.html)
+ portable e-source
shelter eco-infrastructure : f.e. http://www.geolitesystems.com/ (http://www.geolitesystems.com/)
sheltered body ?
emergency camp,U.N.-rescue camp standart :
based by bubble foil insulation like the trademarks reflectix or astrofoil https://web.archive.org/web/20070523081016/http://www.shelterdomes.co.uk:80/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20070523081016/http://www.shelterdomes.co.uk:80/)
DIAM 6M (ground area 28 sq m)
for this example: from 0° to 20°C : 1000 W/28sqm heat need
+ shelter-coating : 500 W/28sqm
shelter-coating: https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11044 (https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11044)
with Far IR heater or heat pump : 100 W/28sqm electricity
with "specific generator" : zero-outer electricity/28sqm
zero energy building standart
Germany/E.U. energy building standart :
Altbau
konventioneller Neubau
Niedrigenergiehaus(NEH,KFW 70-50)
Nearly Zero Energie building 2020- E.U. construction standart > 50 sqm
Passiv-house(new building art 1995) 2018 open source industrial standart http://isorast.de/ (http://isorast.de/)
Net Zero energy building
Zero energy building or Off-grid or Active
"emergency or picknik package"
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12607 (https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12607)
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12735 (https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12735)
https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12491 (https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12491)
glamour+ camping= glamping with tents,domes,caravans,trailers
https://glampinghub.com/portugal/alentejo/ (https://glampinghub.com/portugal/alentejo/)
inflatable bubble hotel
https://travelaway.me/sleep-in-a-bubble/ (https://travelaway.me/sleep-in-a-bubble/)
How much kilo-calories/Joules/Wh alimentation per capita,which diversivity
under outside climate dependance and body-work per hour ?
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ern%C3%A4hrungspyramide#/media/Datei%3AUSDA_Food_Pyramid.gif (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ern%C3%A4hrungspyramide#/media/Datei%3AUSDA_Food_Pyramid.gif)
a. "...unser taeglich Brot gib uns heute..."
b. Buddhism mongue/Mao "taegliche Reisschale"
a. bread/rice or wheat mass(nuddles) and water and fat oil( f.e. sunflower)
b. 500Gr. bread and 1 Ltr. milk and 0,1 Ltr. fat oil
~ 320 Gr. Kohlenhydrate 75 Gr. Proteine > 80 Gr. Fette
the comercial -essential and basic -alimentation value/price per month,G7-estates :
25 Euros per capita
------------------
6 Euros wheat (0,4 Euros/Kg wheat flour)
15 Euros milk (0,5 Euros /Lt.)
4 Euros sunflower oil (1,3 Euros/Lt.)
Of course, wearing clothing made completely of silver would be impractical and uncomfortable, not to mention expensive. A main reason for this discomfort is that silver, like all metals, is not breathable. For example, Mylar blankets, which are made of aluminum and plastic, are extremely warm but are not vapor-permeable, causing moisture to accumulate on a person's skin.
The new AgNW-coated clothing, on the other hand, is breathable due to the nanowires' porous structure. The large spacing between nanowires of about 300 nm offers plenty of room for water vapor molecules, which are about 0.2 nm, to pass through. The 300-nm spacing is still much too small to allow body heat to pass through, since human body radiation has a wavelength of about 9 µm and so interacts with the nanowire cloth as if it were a continuous metal film, and is reflected.
Thanks so much IancaIV for the info.The future can be an exciting place to be.triffid
Hey triffid, and all other readers... Take a look at this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/28/business/china-stock-market-economy-currency.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/28/business/china-stock-market-economy-currency.html)
People are actually starving in San Francisco if they have no income. I've seen it happen. If these people are drinking or smoking up their paycheck, "that's on them." They made a
poor decision, IMHO. They're responsible fr their actions.
However, more and more lower income people and families are going to be caught up in
a downward spiral of poverty, and their outlook will be survival very grim.
All I can do is wait for something to happen to shake the country out of this recession
that's happening right now. I just don't know what it would take to do that, is all.
--Lee
p.s.Latest on the 'Web, I just found...
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/china-financial-panic-nifd-stocks-yuan-bonds-defaults-trade-tariff-2018-6
triffid,...and all others...
Well, it's been awhile, guys. Whatever I wrote on my last post should still hold true. Also, this was on the news today:
https://www.businessinsider.com/debt-contagion-in-argentina-and-turkey-is-spreading-to-other-countries-2018-6/
I've marvelled to my mind, in the past, things are STILL going on instead of a 1929-style crash that caused the Great Depression.
The 'Web address above is typical of what's been going on for several weeks, in general.
Several Members of this Forum have expressed disappointment in my apperent lack of accuracy in when the ecomomy was actually going to collapse, as I predicted. I still maintain:
Money managers around the world are expert in manipulating the Markets to keep them going as long as possible. Human free will is what I think it takes to succeed in these cutthroat economic times. I also still think it can't go on forever. Conservative living should be the way to go in the future.
--Lee
I believe you're quite right about this Lee.
The World is taking notice of how reckless
the U.S. has become in protecting its effective
monopoly of 'reserve currency' with its sanction
mania. Who can really trust the U.S. any more to
be a reliable party to any agreement? The blow
-back could be enormous. The dying empire has
really gone bananas.
Although, who knows why or what the outcome will be.
There may be light at the end of the tunnel.
There is always an economic disaster or war on the way. That is how money is made. The debt and interest system requires that someone loses everything once in a while. There is a large effort in the US to get everybody under surveilance and to get guns from citizens. I wonder why...
Quote from: SeaMonkey on August 25, 2018, 03:27:09 PM
Although, who knows why or what the outcome will be.
There may be light at the end of the tunnel.
Oh, really...??? The title/name of the placard/file is at the usual bottom left of the displayed message: church4.(jpg?)
My point is:
I. Don't. Take. MODERN. Religious. Predictions. Very. Seriously.
(I write it like that to make the assertion that I want to state something strongly.)
Please be aware:
This isn't a church, it's a 'Web blog board posting service. ( www.overunity.com )
I started this thread with the intention of keeping anything religious in wordage out of any discussion. I have my own beliefs and I resent anything religious, here. No. Proselyting. The board rules here at Overunity SHOULD maintain that religion should not be promoted on this 'Board.
I would put that statements into the Rules, anyway. (By not advertising who the organization is who made the prediction. Only the file name in the bottom left corner.)
Okay?
I didn't vote Trump and he MAY only doing what he's told to do and say, anyway. I think everyone, in the greatest length of time, possible, will reach a placid state of existence, regardless of the difficulty from the journey to get there.
All the above being written, I have always PERSONNALLY made the prediction of what this religious group made, themselves.
I just did it when I started this thread years ago. NOW; only now, are they saying the same thing?
Sure; fine. I agree with them---I just wouldn't couch it in, or make it in any---what I ASSERT---is in an offhanded way.
--Lee
triffid,
Okay, then, I'll let everybody in on what I really came here to write:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/01/17/how-chinas-boom-caused-the-financial-crisis/
Right. I kinda like the gist of the story, because I really believe the Chinese communists are motivated by monetary greed and potential world domination by any means they can contrive.
So, then, does anyone agree?
--Lee
And this is different of what the US is doing? China is not invading oil producing countries though...
Belfior,
Okay, you're literally right, they're not invading someone else's country. They're trying to bully their way to getting what they want on the high seas, though, aren't they? Like with Taiwan and Japan?
Here's more of what they're doing:
http://www.newagebd.net/article/49680/10-years-after-the-financial-crisis
They can attempt to take over the world economically. Given enough time, I think they can. Shortly, I'm getting an engineering R&D job for a particular firm in downtown San Francisco.
(Co. name and address is personally classified.)
In regards to my future work, and, as merely a personal opinion I'll be working on electronic design studie(s). Just so you know---and---it's just my opinion. I will have made the Co.'s upper management aware of the article I've just uploaded, as well. I think they might take a/the "hint".
Finally, Belfior, I'd like to point out that a friend told me that organized crime in more than one form; and in just about every country, owns and runs the world.
So, the American Gov't. in just as guilty, as well, for the same reason(s), above. The American country and economy WILL fail eventually, and nothing can stop it. IMHO.
'It's only a matter of time', as the old saying goes, and the power brokers/money men are stalling for all the time they can, and they should know it, IMO. The "fall" will only be that much farther and the final landing that much harder, is all.
--Lee
Yes it is the 1% that runs the matrix. They are everywhere and they have their own agendas.
Quote from: Belfior link=topic=8010.msg52co.5424#msg525424 date=1536090627
Yes it is the 1% that runs the matrix.
' And, I agree wholeheartedely. They do what they want and have the law on their side; those laws having been written at their direction by hired "Co." lawyers.
QuoteThey are everywhere and they have their own agendas.
Yep, that's right. However, they probably don't know how bad their karma is going to be until after they die and leave the physical world. Then, they're SOL. Pain will be their companion for a long time.
--Lee
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2018/09/mil-180903-presstv04.htm?_m=3n%252e002a%252e2375%252eup0ao0822n%252e26qc (https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2018/09/mil-180903-presstv04.htm?_m=3n%252e002a%252e2375%252eup0ao0822n%252e26qc)
I distinctly remember writing that the Chinese aren't invading anyone's country, but they're trying to impose their will over Taiwan and Japan. As the uploaded article, above, may imply. The Chinese can say anything and then do something else. So can the Russians. Careful vigilance is needed at all times in that case.
--Lee
p.s. Moreover, this was just uploaded to GlobalSecurity as of today:
https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/libya/2018/libya-180903-presstv01.htm?_m=3n%252e002a%252e2375%252eup0ao0822n%252e26px
Looks like a Syrian-style civil war in the making, to me. Might be bad actors, there, doing the same things as in Syria...???
Hello again,I have heard time and time again that a collapse is coming.I guess it depends on who is elected in the upcoming elections.I have been watching the price of gold go up.Now 1510 dollars per oz as of yesterday.
When the price of gold goes up it means fear in the marketplace.Gold is security(maybe).Personally I'm betting on chocolate.I have been buying shares of Hsy(hersheys company).Spices and gold have always been traded with zeal (and in high demand).If you buy chocolate my shares will go up.Triffid
Well if you have researched our current banking model at all, you see that it is a ponzi scheme. If you need money, it comes out of a central bank in many cases owned by private banks like the Federal Reserve in the US. They do not have the money they lend. They create credit with your signature. Then you need to pay it back with interest. Well the money for the interest was never created, so you will always have more debt than there is money.
In the EU the banks now need 1% of the money they lend out. You need 300k€ for a house, so you bring in 15% as savings, 15% collateral from the government and the house is the rest 70%.
The bank deposits 1% into the central bank and then they just type the rest into your account. From thin air.
Then every now and then they do something to crash the market, because the banks are created to fail. In the crash they say they lost 300k even it never existed and if you cannot pay the loan they will take the house. Pump all the profits to other companies and then market crash like the 2008 housing bubble.
European Central bank has an interest they should be using to limit lending, but that has been 0% for years. Now they are doing "quantitive easing" which means that the economies are failing and ECB just buys all the toilet paper that is floating on the market. This could be like a Greek government bond that says you give them 2 billion and they are going to pay it back with interest. That will never happen. So the ECB is basically just printing money. They say the economy is strong, but that is just BS. I would say the crash comes 2021 or 2030 the latest.
So the markets will be made to fail and dollar&euro lose their value. People will cry out for help, because they rent, lease and keep their wealth in the stock market. In the crash they will have nothing. I think so much gold have been stolen from Iraq, Kuwait and Libya that the "solution" to the market crash is a new gold based currency and they might even give you everything for free, if you just agree to do something stupid. Like only use electrical currency and let them put a chip on you. Because in the end it is about dominance.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xktwDfasPGQ (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xktwDfasPGQ) for 10000 Euros/38 sqm~ international starter family living area
international expanded family area : doubling = 78 sqm
http://prefabhome.eu/en/projects (http://prefabhome.eu/en/projects) how many sqm for which sum ?
"morphed/compressed " 78 sqm ~ "195 sqm" expanded living space
Who needs to spend 300 K€ ?
"credit" and the 10th Commandment
https://www.thoughtco.com/ten-commandments-die-zehn-gebote-1444584 (https://www.thoughtco.com/ten-commandments-die-zehn-gebote-1444584)
Germany/E.U. : credit-limit : PRINZIP "allgemeine Niedrigstwert" = general lowest value-PRINCIPLE
YOU ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEND 300 K€ for your " home" : by 100% cash payment. !
A market price decrease in average -90% in the G7- B.I.Z.- member estates is not a " crash" but a regress to normal organized and controled market value / price ratio ! cash-value markets !
B.I.Z.-programs " Basel I,II,...V,..." is the way back to minimize credit -part by buying-actions ,as demanded by laws !
In future the parlaments has their credit-potential limited, also the F.E.D. and ECB and the british Pound-currency administration ( Yen,Yuan, .... included )
The B.I.Z. is the international finance " Mother"- bank with supervision and controle function, above the IWF and Worldbank !
Ancient treatment by church constitution and their society : who worked against the Commandments became
" exkommuniziert/excommunicated" / " Vogelfre/outlaw"- Deklaration, included all the family. !
I can see the world future extreme conservative and extreme progressive !
From" seller market" we we will come to " buyer market" :
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/155734/umfrage/wohneigentumsquoten-in-europa/ (https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/155734/umfrage/wohneigentumsquoten-in-europa/) "home ownership"-definition by law :
" Eigentuemer versus Besitzer : both translated with "owner", in real extreme different !
The given numbers are wrong : the real maximal average ownership- by law definition- in E.U. : +/- 20%
80% inhabitants/users/ tenants !
with the first € credit you loose the ownership about the creditized ware, you becomes " ware user/debtor" : the ownership = 100% Creditor up to the 100% repayment moment. !
many old people ( Germany average age : 45 years ~ pre-" six feed under" quality ) has to sell their homes for paying medical treatment,
singles without family to pay " old home place" with average 3000 € per month;
because a modern C.N.C. administrated society need up to 80% less human workers, much from the last needed 20% human work can become outsourced to " low income costs"-countries the salaries decrease-pressure in geral will grow up ;
full time jobs will become divided in half-time jobs ( probably in future 50/50 male/female employment quote law)
C.N.C. shortens production time up to 90% = up to 90% less human work salary : no work= no payment
Positive : the less dependent work = more unpayed freetime can become invested in independent "DIY-productivity" ! Self-sufficiency. !
Up to less 90% salary respond with up to less 90% consumer ware costs :buying the needed " no name"-material kit (+ plan) fob factory in group = -90% less expensive
BTW : how much weight 300 K€ ? If we speak/think about currencies we speak/think about cash values : the only currency value = coin + material
we can give "coin"- credit to the several " central banks" and receive : a "central bank"- ( debit-)note/NOTE
the paper in your purse is the first kind of credit, without capital tax !
Central Bank = Debtor with all time 100% exchange warranty to coins !
Central Banks have not other function ! TAFEL/Tisch= Banca"- Wechsel/Exchange Geschaefte/Negotiation
If not the 100% warranty converseable = illiquid = BANCA-rotta ( bankrupt : banca + ruptura )
Understanding micro-economy from macro-economy view :
applied Paretto/King Davenant "saturation" laws
https://www.bpb.de/system/files/datei/EUR_05_T1_detail.svg (https://www.bpb.de/system/files/datei/EUR_05_T1_detail.svg)
progressive saturated - obere qualitative Meridian
10% surplus offer ( seller market): (12,2+14)/2 : 19,6 ~ 66,8 % = classical theory 30% price decrease
progressive over-saturated - untere quantitative Meridian
20% surplus offer ( buyer market) : 4 : 19,6 ~ 20,4% = classical theory 80% price decrease
This happened 1987-89 with the US saving&loan banks fiasco and later with the Nomura-Crash begin ( new 0,5 ground tax) and at first Nikkei then WallStreet , .....
1990 german trillion DM -credit for " 10 units to east and 9 units back to west" western economy help program.
This happened 1990/1991 : E.C.U. destroy and credit-market crunching
This happened 2006-2009 with the US "surplus ware " house market and the worlwide toxic pappers sold with this immobiliar waste as warranty
And this is actually selling politics in all the G20 estates. !
Classical theory tells the truth about the economical game result !
Credit assessment basis ( Kredit bemessungsgrundlage) + credit mortgage lending value( Kreditbeleihungswert)
are later seen as credit/ cash selling price coverage :
legal auction ( classical : by 100% cash payment)
1.Termin/ aution day : 70% limit from book-value
2. 50% limit
3. 30% limit, after " zu jeden Preis" ! Ramsch/Junk
The actual house market price? Only the cah part/sqm ? With Paretto/King-Davenant "negative price lever" ?
The greatest looser from an Euro-collaps :
1. Luxemburg
2. Ireland
3. Spain
4. Belgium
5. Slowenien
6. Finland
7. Greece
based by their accumulated explizit and implizit estate debits :
total Maastricht estate debit limit for EURO-" sane fitness" : 60% explizit + implizit
https://m.focus.de/finanzen/boerse/verdeckte-verbindlichkeiten-luxemburg-ist-der-wahre-schuldenkoenig-europas_id_10254123.html (https://m.focus.de/finanzen/boerse/verdeckte-verbindlichkeiten-luxemburg-ist-der-wahre-schuldenkoenig-europas_id_10254123.html)
Italy can afford an Euro-exit. !
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSchattenverschuldung
A scale with private household debt but without "estate hidden debt/implizit debt"
https://de.irefeurope.org/doc1830 (https://de.irefeurope.org/doc1830)
only private household debt ranking
https://de.irefeurope.org/doc1831 (https://de.irefeurope.org/doc1830)
Global ranking ? Explizit + implizit estate debt + commercial debt + private household
/ trade surplus or trade losts
Probably the fitter Euro-members makes with PR China land-barter :PR China gets as new colony Luxemburg and the " better E. U. " gets as change Hong Kong or Macao ! ;D
Land-barter is something common : Sansibar for Helgoland f.e.
Watching the news today with all it's drama and I thought... I'm starting to like Donald Trump.
I mean he basically won a presidential election by gaslighting his opponents and his own party, he gave all his billionaire friends and himself a massive tax break at the taxpayers expense... and they cheered. He slashed and burned social services like health care and education then raped all environmental controls and regulations... and they cheered. He blockaded the border and threw children into cages and made racism great again ... and they cheered. He did everything they said he shouldn't do because it's corrupt and said whatever he wanted despite everyone's objections and ran his administration like the mafia... and they cheered. Now with record debt and an economy slowly spiraling downward into oblivion they still cheer.
You see it takes a great man to show how morally bankrupt an entire nation has become for all to see and an even greater salesman to convince them to burn it to the ground. I suspect Mr.Trump is going to light up a big old cigar and just waltz out of the white house without a scratch on him no worse for wear whispering... so long suckers. I mean it's epic that one man could have such a profound effect on so many people bringing out the best and as we can see the worst in them. All hail Trump, All hail Trump
NKE
Wow, that was a really thought provoking post ... Oh look a squirrel.
I think a 16 year old girl named Greta Thunberg said it best "We are at the beginning of mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth,".
Obviously, unlimited growth, like a virus with limited resources and space to expand is unsustainable and must result in extinction.
I mean it's so common sense and intuitive that even a fool should be able to understand the concept but apparently many do not.
It's a sorry state of affairs when I can listen to 2 years of Trumps word salads and it means little if nothing then a little 16 year old girl makes him look like an imbecile for stating the obvious.
Obviously the population and the economy cannot keep growing because we will run out of resources and space, period, end of debate.
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Controle and separation of power ( staatliche " ordentliche" Gewaltenteilung)
Legislative, Jurisdikative, Exekutive
Instanz : Scottish Supreme Court
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_Kingdom (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_the_United_Kingdom)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGericht_der_Europ%25C3%25A4ischen_Union (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGericht_der_Europ%25C3%25A4ischen_Union)
The Court for the Europarat/Council of Europe : https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=gerichtshof+des+europarates+englisch&oq=gerichtshof+des+europarates+englisch&aqs=heirloom-srp (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=gerichtshof+des+europarates+englisch&oq=gerichtshof+des+europarates+englisch&aqs=heirloom-srp)..
Since when, in which democratic estates, the government does not be part from the parliament
= the " Legislative"
( the government is executing the Will-wish/ Volonte/Willen from the parliament majority. !)
and like as seen by this scottish judge : parted : parliament = Legislative and government= Exekutive ::)
Constitutional Monarchies comparison !? : Sweden ,Danmark,"Luxemburg",Belgium,Spain,Netherlands
Beside "President/Monarch" impeachment act also for Legislative, Jurisdicative- and Executive- members. ?
http://www.olivercromwell.org/wordpress/?page_id=1417 (http://www.olivercromwell.org/wordpress/?page_id=1417)
" impeachment" ~ NORMKONTROLLVERFAHREN : KONSTITUTIONSKONFORMITAET. 1:1
Amtstraeger : Wuerden-/Buerden-Traeger unter Amts-EID oder - SCHWUR, einige zu Haenden " einer Bible "
No political correctness, constitutional correctness. ! REVIEW. ! AND COMPENSATION. !
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvfofcIE1Q (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvfofcIE1Q)
"Bonner Republik"
2:21 Herbert Fram later known as Willy Brandt, Oslo-Nobel-Yury-Award
Beside him : Heribert Wehner " Sie Nebelkraehe ! " , Polizisten-Moerder und spaeterer:
Bundes-Tag-s-Abgeordneter
EIDESSTATTLICHE ERKLAERUNG UND KEINE VERKLAERUNG WIRD ERWARTET. !
WIR ALLE ARBEITEN AUF DEN " LICHTEN TAG" HIN. ! FUER VIELE ERFOLGT DARAUF " NACHT"
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fmediathek%2Fvideos%2Fpolitik%2FUSA-schuetzen-Diplomaten-Gattin-vor-Strafe-article21325899.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fmediathek%2Fvideos%2Fpolitik%2FUSA-schuetzen-Diplomaten-Gattin-vor-Strafe-article21325899.html)
nuechtern : fahrlaessige Toetung
unter Drogeneinfluss : vorsaetzlicher Totschlag ,knapp vor "Mord"
Das ist das Strafmasz. !
Haftstrafe !
UNFALLFLUCHT ! OPFER NOCH LEBEND NACH DEM UNFALL? UNTERLASSENE (NOT-)HILFELEISTUNG !
+ Schmerzensgeld. !
Hoehe ? Geschworenengericht entscheidet : Referenz Monsanto und aehnlich hohe Verurteilungen. !
(Diplomatische) Immunitaet bezieht sich auf politisches Wirken, nicht inbegriffen zivil-/strafrechtliche Vergehen der "Immunitaetstraeger" und derer Angehoeriger ! AUTOMATISCHE IMMUNITAETSAUFHEBUNG. !
Was Internationale Norm darstellt : Doyen/Nuntius als Ratgeber
I see ( Vision,Futurism) an economic disaster ( by humans -planned !?-) coming ( no other solution/ alternative !?)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster)
https://www.google.com/search?q=schumpeter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=schumpeter&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
https://www.google.com/search?q=hayek&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=hayek&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
https://www.google.com/search?q=meynard+keynes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=meynard+keynes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
https://www.google.com/search?q=kenneth+galbraith&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=kenneth+galbraith&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
https://www.google.com/search?q=friedrich+von+weizsaecker&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=friedrich+von+weizsaecker&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
https://www.google.com/search?q=amory+lovins&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=amory+lovins&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
https://www.google.com/search?q=faith+popcorn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=faith+popcorn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
https://www.google.com/search?q=alvin+toffler&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=alvin+toffler&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
Did they all publicated their works only for the : biblia/book/ bibliotheque or liber/book/library or to become their
work read and studied for preservation about a WWIII risk ,then real worldwide : in each household !?
"Master/Maestro/Maire/Meister also called King/ Majestas " strategy game : " war on a table"
Chess - eChess - Mephisto echess
the first machine which destroyed the human world chess champion : SCHACH-MATT/MATE
2019 : "Mephisto" in a really low level compared with " AlphaGo Zero"- neuronal process
one really long chess game ?
Quantum computering ( for special case coordinated) 10000 years to 200 seconds
Quantum computering court by " RAM + ROM CONSTITUTION library as memory "
DEMOCRACY WORK OUT TOOLS IN LAB PROGRESS
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WarGames who begins the game ? Where to "drop the first stone" ?
What a difference one year can make...
Last year when I walked into a room and mentioned Trumps name everyone was defiant and giddy proclaiming Donny as their savior. Now they all look down in shame for being so misguided and rightfully so.
As we speak Trumps crimes and corruption just keep piling up as he throws one person after another under the bus. Now Trump doesn't even try to hide the fact he is corrupt to the core and wants to be a dictator. Now he's even turned on the republican party and soon he may declare them the enemy as well. What a shit show, I mean it's just so pathetic that so many could be hoodwinked by just another psychotic used car salesman in a plaid suit.
I will tell you what, when Trump started throwing all his allies under the bus I stopped buying all American products. Which may explain why the economy is going south as more and more people stop supporting the U.S.. You can only push a customer so far until there's blow back and they look elsewhere, it's just bad business. Trump the businessman, what a shit show, his daddy gave him over $400 million and his accountants made him a billionaire. However as the people around Trump have said... everything he touches dies.
Personally I don't think this shit show is over, I think Trumps supporters are so angry at the world there going to burn America to the ground just to spite themselves. When people start calling there own countrymen the enemy because they don't get there way the country is finished in my opinion. It's just a matter of time before this hatred spills over into the streets and civil war erupts. They would destroy there own country for profit and greed which is the beginning of the end.
Were also starting to see tent communities popping up in every American city which has become normal. It's just normal that slums like we see in every third world dictatorship are becoming normal in America as all that money rises to the top. Everyone cheers, they all cheer as Trump guts the economy slashing all the social programs designed to help the less fortunate. A return to barbarism devoid of empathy where dog eats dog which would seem to be Trumps mantra.
However America is just a country no more no less, a place people live and work just trying to survive. The problems start when they start thinking it's more, when they turn a nice place to live into a cult like belief of greed and superiority. History has shown us what happens when a civilization loses it's civility and compassion... it's fails and ceases to exist. This is natural law and there are no exceptions to my knowledge, it is what it is for obvious reasons.
Who would have thought anyone would proclaim an obese, old, corrupt businessman who is semi-illiterate and can't even talk in complete sentences as there supreme leader and savior?... I mean you can't even make this shit up. Look at him, this is your leader?, what a shit show.
The real shit show is the democratic line up... or closer to the truth, the socialist, Marxist, communist democratic parties.... They are blaming Trump for all the garbage they are doing... Not excusing Trump for anything that he's done, but lets also lay truth down and prosecute the democrats for the same. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.... Neither party is without sin - the democrats simply want to destroy America faster than the Republicans.
We know from experience that no matter what they say about each other it's all just lies and promises to become elected - very little truth in politics ...
znel
QuoteThe real shit show is the democratic line up... or closer to the truth, the socialist, Marxist, communist democratic parties.... They are blaming Trump for all the garbage they are doing... Not excusing Trump for anything that he's done, but lets also lay truth down and prosecute the democrats for the same.
Sorry for rubbing it in but I took a lot of flack here calling Trump as a psychopath early on however I nailed it. Everyone was saying how he was there savior and all would be well and bla bla bla. As we know none of that happened and it turned into a three ring circus just as I predicted. He is a con man and the republican party should have known better, they own this.
So far as the the socialist, Marxist, communist thing goes Trump is no better and it seems pretty obvious he wants to be a dictator. In my opinion Trump wanting to be a nationalist dictator is no different that socialism/communism, same shit different pile. So the fact that his supporters seem willing to burn democracy and the rule of law to the ground is a little disturbing. What in the hell are they thinking?.
I'm a conservative and I liked George.W.Bush and while he wasn't the sharpest crayon in the box he had integrity and morals. I also liked Obama even if he seemed a little too liberal at times and he also had integrity and morals. Trump on the other hand is a douchebag with no integrity, no morals and is completely unfit for any office. You see regardless of which political stripe of politician America had in the past they had something in the way of integrity but not Trump and as we now know he's willing to sell you down the road to serve his personal interests.
Hell he hired his whole family in government at your expense, then made everyone stay at his resorts at your expense, golfed like mad at your expense and now wants to hold the G7 at his resort at your expense... when does it end?. Not to mention the fact he gave himself a $400 million dollar tax break also at your expense. No wonder he didn't take a presidential wage because it's peanuts compared to what he made off the taxpayers.
I'll tell you what, I have never seen anything like this shit show in the last 50 years, this is record setting mayhem and it's disturbing. I find it disturbing because if this bs continues the republican party will be ruined and never get elected again for a decade. They will lose all trust and be destroyed, do you want that?, I don't. The current republicans are giving the democrats just cause to ruin them if they don't get there shit together, start doing there job representing the people and enforcing something in the way of the rule of law.
Do you want globalization by the big corporations because if the republicans keep this shit up there going to lose and it's going to swing hard and fast to the hard left and nobody wants that. Trump is just giving the democrats power.
"trust" in what?
Macro-economics: Net Index ( without local taxes/ IVA)
100 units price individual exclusive product
30 units price individual standart product ( exclusive and standart product can be the same machine output)
15 units price gross selling/group buying price
7,5 units price kit (~ Ikea/Revell) gross-selling price
Credit conditioning (world-wide :OECD accounting principles) :
credit-base : Substanzwert/material value
So for new products :
7,5 x 0,8 x 0,6 = 1.Rang/ prime tax validation ( investment)
3,6 credit units max. for kit or ready to use /individual or group buy/ standart or " exclusive" but new
This is called "book value covered credit-economy" !
Strictly to differ from : consumers credits = Men- exploration/Menschen-Handel/-Ausbeutung > 95% uncovered assets ! Uncovered bank and assurance accounts. !
These discounts - from industrial " net book costs" prices view- are also to find in the 70%/50%/30%/ down to "1 unit" legal auctions quotes by 1.-2.-3. auction day and only " value" financing treatment : "in situ" by cash !
The system illiquidity is for several decades to observe in the "legal auction courts". !
The poor economy can not anymore pay even lower legal auctions prices ergo 10% bank aval as Cheque and later credit is for " conventional consume habits" sufficient. !
Up to 80% down with the prices and salaries or 50%+ average annual disemployment : " Qual der Wahl" in german
Middle class profile : India TATA Nano car price < 2000 US$ ;TATA wished to sell 300 TSD units per year. !
house "New Oroville-village" 10000 US$ for 105 sqm
Middle class profile U. S. :
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wiwo.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Fgeschroepfte-leistungstraeger-us-mittelschicht-tuechtig-aber-ziemlich-mittellos-%2F25113182.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wiwo.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Fgeschroepfte-leistungstraeger-us-mittelschicht-tuechtig-aber-ziemlich-mittellos-%2F25113182.html)
For 60% from the U.S.Americans : the "1000 $"- cash barrier. ! For the upper 30%: 5000/10000 $ ?
With higher credit taxes and new "credit-object-validation= real market value BASEL IV " many middle class households worldwide becomes poorer and poorer and many : private insolvency. !
Article about St. Louis and the " house market": each 15 years a price crash = cyclical (" normal")
More credit than worth. ! Worth uncovered work financements. !
The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim--Gustave Le Bon
All the civilizations we know have been created and directed by small intellectual aristocracies, never by people in the mass. The power of crowds is only to destroy--Gustave Le Bon
We see, then, that the disappearance of the conscious personality, the predominance of the unconscious personality, the turning by means of suggestion and contagion of feelings and ideas in an identical direction, the tendency to immediately transform the suggested ideas into acts; these, we see, are the principal characteristics of the individual forming part of a crowd. He is no longer himself, but has become an automaton who has ceased to be guided by his will--Gustave Le Bon
Would you not see the doctor but a bum on the street if you had cancer, would you go see a bankrupt oilfield trucker for financial advice?. Would you hire a corrupt self-serving con man to manage your interests... you did in Trump.
NKE
That is kind of cool how messed up you are, you know at one time I thought I could do the crazy thing but it just wasn't me. I like to skirt around the edges a bit but it's a rabbit hole any way you look at it.
As well in this day and age what isn't crazy, I mean the American's elected Capt. bone-spurs, an illiterate man child if I ever saw one. It just get's better and better, lol.
A young life before and a young life in future
Birth
"Kinder"-garden
Basic-/ground-school entry with 5-6 years
Secondary/ high school + 12 years
With 18 : majority
Male : military/civil service 2 years
Academic studium 8 semester = 4 years
With 23-24 years ready for the "Industrial Society"
Now :
Birth
KITA/"Kinder"-garden
Basic-/ground school entry 5-6 years
Secondary-/High school 4 years
Male : military/civil service obsolet in most western countries
Academic studium : 4 semester compact ( = 2 years )
With 11-12 years ready for the "A.I. Society"
By actual law system : "Majority " age ?
Marriage age. ? In Western countries minimum 16 years !
When is a "young life" adult. ?
Biological ( Peru, world youngest mother with 8 years) or mental and with social ethical-ecological satisfying behaviour. ?
The cultural society can easily compress ancient 12 years school years + 4-6 years university study
= 16-18 life years to 1/3 = 6 years total education life years
Reference :
C.G.Jung experiment : Motivation
Francis Galton experiment : Suggestion
Super-learning/Ultra-learning study results : extreme shorter time by higher educative quality
+ K.I.-teach-technology in future : brain-machines like "Neuro-phone" as assistant
Pardon, this are "no wonder"-child's,but actually "extreme example" for future PERFEKT education-technique "NORM" :
https://www.google.com/search?q=mit+9+jahren+studium&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=mit+9+jahren+studium&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)or more than 15 years before about an "Oxford-Don"- and inoffcial Professor-assistent function :with eleven years ! Inofficial : by law not allowed : too young !
Grand-/parents analphabets but their child/-s "super-intelligent" : society standart. !
Instead 10000 years only 200 seconds : the quantum computer time save concept
https://www.google.com/search?q=10000+jahre+in+200+sekunden&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=10000+jahre+in+200+sekunden&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
In our "Quantum Society" 9/10 time,energy and material saving is enough !
Schumpeter "Liberalism": SCHOEPFERISCHE ZERSTOERUNG
With Fantasy and Creativity we change habits,rules,standarts and laws !
BTW : CATHOLIC = PERFECT or VOLLKOMMEN
FAIR TRADE AND FAIR TREAT : ACTIO ET REACTIO
About "wish" ,"economy laws/order" and reality
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fm.spiegel.de%2Fwirtschaft%2Fservice%2Fzara-ist-die-join-life-linie-nachhaltig-und-werden-arbeiter-gut-bezahlt-a-1297135.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fm.spiegel.de%2Fwirtschaft%2Fservice%2Fzara-ist-die-join-life-linie-nachhaltig-und-werden-arbeiter-gut-bezahlt-a-1297135.html)
"CLEAN CLOTHES CAMPAIGN": monthly living wage for two adults and two children - " LIVING IN DIGNITY": 950 EUROS !
X 0,075 ~ 71,25 Euros per year private household energy costs part
THIS IS THE PRIVATE HOUSEHOLD AUTONOMOUS MICRO-GRID ENERGY SYSTEM TARGET !
Based by these information sources :
https://www.google.com/search?q=private+household+energy+costs+global&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=private+household+energy+costs+global&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
So we have to calculate with 0,05 EURO/KWh enrrgy/electricity maximal cost price !
By US average B2B 0,055 USD/KWh electricity prices not great miracles need !
0,055 USD ~ 0,05 EURO
( Conventional 80 sqm private household heating energy 6000 KWh to 225 KWh and actually electric appliances demand 2500 KWh by power saving devices/changes to 1250 KWh )
225 KWh + 1250 KWh = 1475 KWh x 0,05 EURO = 73,75 EUROS
E.U.- energy program equivalent : Nearly Zero -/ Net Zero -/ Zero Energy Building
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The Turkey wished to become E.U.- member but this was was by several E.U-member estates resisted !
Is Turkey european ? Geophysically 100% absolutely YES !
The Dardanellen /Bosporus is not the historical EUROP-EIA and ASIA-EIA frontier. !
Pure language translation and meaning and later "myths/mythologies"
EUROP-EIA (Untergang/Abend/Okzident)= phenike determination IS THE VIEW FROM GOR(I)DON - as EARTH MIDDLEPOINT-(ANTIKE!)
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordion (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordion)
this view and definition older than the religion "I'SLAM" :
Alexander der Grosse/o Magnifico + Tempel "Gordon Knoten ": ?
Year 333/334 ante/before criste nascimento
Mohamed/Maome birth year 22 April 571 poste/after criste nascimento
The other EARTHSIDE : ASIA-EIA: (Aufgang/Morgen/Orient)
-EIA ~ (Erd/-e) -Teil/part
Earth also called Tellus : german Scheibe/ Teller / english : plate/disc
Only as short history and cultural review about many stupid meanings ( Europe ~ Bull et cet...)
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950 EUROS dividing with 4 capitas/family members = 237,5 EUROS PER CAPITA
If the both parents parts works full-time by the real minimum salary condition : each 310-387,5 Euros this 71,25
represents 71,25/ [ 2x ( 310 or 387,5)] an energycosts quote between 9,2% up to 11,5% from the monthly salary !
This "virtual ' Clean Clothes Campaign' family '- wage image represents a global middle class "IDEAL" !
Billions in the 1-2 USD per day (~ 30-60 USD monthly PER CAPITA ) class :
https://www.google.com/search?q=global+wages+pyramid&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=global+wages+pyramid&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
2 turkish minimum salaries as family wages / 4 family members = 310 Eurosx2 /4 = 155 EUROS PER CAPITA
INDIA : Tata Nano middle class car: ~ 1800 EUROS
MDI( UScompany) "NEW OROVILLE" ( INDIA construction project) middle class home-village : 21000 USD for 210 sqm
The most part of the world works a. without tax b. without credit= 1/10 of tax-/credit market prices and salaries
Actually we see in the G7- estates a tax-/credit system liquidation,parallel salaries decrease and/or lost from employment or in industry/commerce for old people over 45 years pre-reform/-pension. !
Less 50% G7- economies :3 solutions
50% employment lost or
100% x 1/2 work-place time-share( by cleary 1/2 salary) or
at first 50% salary decrease by same horary work pensum
Clearly also as mix : 33,3% disemployment/33,3% work place time-share/ 33,3% salary decrease
Between "wishing" and reality is a great discrepance. !
Trump and the F. E. D. : down with the capital tax !
A. A Monarch/ President and his parliament NEVER mandates about the FOLK-money-system !
FRAENKISCHES/GOTISCHES HOHEITSRECHT : STRIKTE TRENNUNG KOENIGSSCHATZ VON VOLKSSCHATZ
OLD ,but in use - the definition (Bundes-) SCHATZ-( VER-/)BRIEF/(-UNG)
ABSOLUTE AUSNAHME UND BEI ERLAUBNIS DES F/VOLKES : NOT-/ERNSTFALL-DEKLARATION
ZERO TAX = ZERO WIN = ZERO KGV ( kurs/Gewinn Verhaeltnis)
KGV-comparison
Gewinn Schweizer National-Bank identisch Gewinn APPLE : APPLE 2000 X TEURER
https://www.wiwo.de/finanzen/boerse/schweizer-nationalbank-profitabler-als-apple-aber-nur-500-millionen-wert/25175996.html (https://www.wiwo.de/finanzen/boerse/schweizer-nationalbank-profitabler-als-apple-aber-nur-500-millionen-wert/25175996.html)
APPLE COMPANY share : - 90% 200 Fach teurer
APPLE COMPAY share : -99%. 20 Fach teurer
APPLE COMPANY share: - 99,9 % 2 Fach teurer
Ich senke den Nationalbank-Gewinn um 90% und hebe den Gewinn als Erwartung fuer die Zukunft bei der APPLE COMPANY um das Zehnfache ( in Realtaet ist bei APPLE Marktsaetting erreicht, inklusive Apps-Vermarktung)
2000/10/10 = 20 = APPLE um 95% zu hoch bewertet
https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+kurswert&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+kurswert&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m1170)
1170 Mrd. USD der Kurswert und der " faire rechnerische Buchwert" : 58,5 Mrd. USD
die Waehler Donald Trump im "Bible belt" - ganz christlich orthodox- wird die Zukunft erfreuen :
c(h)ristlicher Zero-/Negativ( geben ist seeliger als nehmen) Tax bedeutet sinkende Einkommen
AMANER UND PHILOSOPHIE
https://www.google.com/search?q=amana+fridge&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=amana+fridge&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-mChristlich-kommunistische)
Kommunistische Christen als Gruppierung aus der Barmen-Wuppertal Region welche aufgrund Religionsausuebungsbehinderung in die U. S. A. ausgewandert waren
Kommunistisch handeln heisst nicht erfolgslos handeln sondern gemeinnuetzig, vereint
Kulturhistorisch und philosophisch ist der U. S. A. - "bible belt"- orthodox-kommunistisch
Religionen waren, sind und werden immer sein kommunistische Institutionen, politisch -saekular spricht man auch von "sozial/gerecht" ( dann aber immer nur mit Vergleichsmaszstab !)
2019 : REAL LIFE
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fwirtschaft%2FEin-Kalb-kostet-nur-noch-8-49-Euro-article21384473.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fwirtschaft%2FEin-Kalb-kostet-nur-noch-8-49-Euro-article21384473.html)
8,49 Euros/ ? Kg Lebendgewicht/ live weight
Compared :
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fder_tag%2FFrau-kauft-Maedchen-fuer-100-Euro-und-zwingt-es-zur-Prostitution-article21375773.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fder_tag%2FFrau-kauft-Maedchen-fuer-100-Euro-und-zwingt-es-zur-Prostitution-article21375773.html)
100 Euros/ ? Kg Lebendgewicht / live weight
What is my, your, your wife, child/-s,neighbor/-s market worth today and in near future. ?
Buying and selling human bodies will become in future normality. !
The "I. S. " did it also : male prostitution as warrior
South-/Middle-/North-America : drugs-/prostitution gang-membership " buy-in"
Bei freier Kost und Logis und S. E. X. was braucht der "gemeine" Mann mehr
From 5,6,7 to 8,9,10 and more billion human bodies on earth : great market. !
https://www.google.com/search?q=bangladesh+bordell&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=bangladesh+bordell&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)
GLOBAL DAULATDIA-LIVING conditioning,with FE devices : ecological ! ::) But : ever economical. !
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Fsaudi-arabien-haushaltshilfe-verkauf-auf-instagram-a-1296618.html
Economical question - by extreme "moral"-definition liberty : global body use liberalization by each one
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fwirtschaft%2FTuerkei-schweigt-Wirtschaftskrise-tot-article21409181.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fwirtschaft%2FTuerkei-schweigt-Wirtschaftskrise-tot-article21409181.html)
Is suicide or selling/lease of family-members or their human body parts the better alternative. ?After suicide the human body organs are free for transplants by actually relatively high organ market prices !
IT IS TIME NOW TO GIVE UP ETHICAL LIMITS
Observing in the end-80' the US estate auctions and market prices we can calculate with worldwide estate system bancrupts and low investment need. !
South-America in liquidation : Chile,Argentina,Kolumbia,Bolivia,Brasil(?),.....East Europe strong volatil. !
The north-african estates in chaotic situation !
"I'slam" is abused as instrument,in reality it is the male object( worldwide),which actually is loosing his position/rank/title inside the society : by woman and humans--free technology
"The "climate" is abused as instrument by many estate administrations,for higher taxes and political budget liquidity,but it is the 50% over-consume and 50% structural uction and personal over-capacity in industry and commerce the problem :~ 50% less work places ( this is the known 4.th industrial r-/ evolution surplus worker number)
In E.U.-Europe and North-America we will have in the next 10 years massive capacity extinction,but this is recycling mass for new developments .
Empty factory buildings to D. I. Y. - community "universities".Surplus cars metallic and plastic parts to house frames and machine parts.
Instead sellings we see now the commerce leasing/renting of consume objects. growing !The second hands ware market as temporary share/exchange plattform.
Search and counter-offer. ! BARTER -society ! Money - free. !
The no-/low profit movement is fast growing.
The global human society "core number" : 300 millions habitants , the rest " social toy" and servants
By catholic ethics( katholische NOBILITAS Erbfolgegesetz,zweite und folgenden Kinder ohne Ferilitaet= allgemeine Zoelibat, nicht nur fuer Kirchengeistliche ) and biology
Erstgeborene : Land, Titel/Name, Zeugungsrecht
~ China : ehemalige Restriktion Ein Kind-proPaar
Zweitgeborene : Sozialberuf, kein Zeugungsrecht( Geborene : nobodies,Werkzeug)
Dritt+X: Kriegsdienst, kein Zeugungsrecht( Geborene: nobodies, Werkzeug)
~ Malthus limitfreie Fortpflanzung zu 200 Mrd humanoiden "Wesen" auf dem Planeten
Kein Land= Keine Stimme( Wahlrecht) Land-Lords-Dynaste-Sozialsystem
Wirkt heute noch( Gueltigkeit!) : Landlose = Staedter= Unfreie ~ Neuzeitliche Kommerz-System-Leibeigene
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibeigenschaft (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibeigenschaft)
Juristische Definition : Eigentuemer versus Besitzer
Wohneigentum in europaeischen Staedten : < 10 % = 90% Mieter-Haushalte
90% in Eigentum der Finanzinstitutionen
Der Rest Wohn-Besitzer als Kredit-/Hypotheken-Zahler oder Mieter
( viele Immobilienkaeufer nennen sich "Eigentuemer ",sind aber
-ab dem ersten Cent Fremdschuld/Verbindlichkeit/Kredit/Hypothek/Darlehen -
rechtlich nur Besitzer ~ Fremdeigentums-Nutzer, juristisch/ oekonomisch Mietern sogar schlechter gestell )
"Land-Lord"
Minimum : 1 ha = 10000 qm pro Kopf Versorgungsflaeche ( mitteleuropaeische Bodenqualitaet und Klima) fuer minimale Selbst-Grundversorgung und temporaeren Ueberschuss als Tauschhandelsgut
An Artificial Intelligence 24/365 active law&order observing and executive system :
in Germany this means the beginning
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fratgeber%2FLegal-Tech-darf-gegen-zu-hohe-Mieten-klagen-article21421676.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fratgeber%2FLegal-Tech-darf-gegen-zu-hohe-Mieten-klagen-article21421676.html)
Against too high prices - for products and services. !
Anti-Trust - platform. !
This electric kind of business - now by highest national court as legal way of debt collection judged - opens the way of economy comparison by easy Computer-Numeric-Controle comparison :
" legal price"-number"/"payed price"- number : difference repay + "work"- honorar/fine/fee
C.N.C.-economy
Learning languages and their translations :
the conseil = german: der Rat =russian: Sowjet
Rat-ing agentur /agency ~ sowjet-ing agentur/agency
agency/agentur from latin : agere = handeln/to treat
We often use "foreign terms" without today knowing their meanings : motor from latin : motere
Coronvirus is changing Our lives.Triffid
Quote from: triffid on March 19, 2020, 01:48:05 AM
Coronvirus is changing Our lives.Triffid
Oh yeah, to see that the actual US-government now working in a kind of " ZK der KPDUSA" !
Life ordering by " credit communism" !
Like the austrian EURO-Bank-Chairman said : " it is time for ' constructive destruction' " !
Wiener "Schumpeter"- Oekonomie-Schule ? Libertas
We are now entering in a global " Selection by priority "- economy
Since several decades our economy is " credit-virus"- contaminated,clearly that the companies mortality rate becomes higher,included "estates death" risc !
Hello Lee Im back.
Looks like Lee has notbeenhnotbeenhereforawhile
Quote from: lancaIV on December 01, 2016, 03:34:34 PM
http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=14431 (http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=14431)
http://www.kpmg.com/FR/fr/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/Documents/Shale-gas-global-m-and-a-trends.pdf (http://www.kpmg.com/FR/fr/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/Documents/Shale-gas-global-m-and-a-trends.pdf)
The international OPEC and U.S. oil politicians will try to have for the next future the crude oil barrel-price-level between 60 and 70 U.S.$,this is the average break-even level from shale gas to GPL .
http://www.marcellus.psu.edu/resources/PDFs/shalegas_GWPF.pdf (http://www.marcellus.psu.edu/resources/PDFs/shalegas_GWPF.pdf)
http://graphics.wsj.com/oil-barrel-breakdown/ (http://graphics.wsj.com/oil-barrel-breakdown/)
https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article224120530/Gazprom-Die-Misere-ist-selbst-verschuldet.html (https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article224120530/Gazprom-Die-Misere-ist-selbst-verschuldet.html)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article224120530/Gazprom-Die-Misere-ist-selbst-verschuldet.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article224120530/Gazprom-Die-Misere-ist-selbst-verschuldet.html)
Corona-related things got really dramatic in the second quarter of 2020. The average export price, which in 2019 was 210 dollars per 1,000 cubic meters and had already dropped to 162 dollars in January 2020, slumped to 94 dollars in May. That's below the breakeven point, which is set at around $ 100.
http://www.meineheizung.de/heizen-mit-gas/heizwert-von-erdgas (http://www.meineheizung.de/heizen-mit-gas/heizwert-von-erdgas)
10,1 KWh x 1000 = 10100 KWh/1000 cbm gas for 94 US dollar in May 2020
https://www.rigzone.com/news/natural_gas_prices_could_double_next_year-15-may-2020-162100-article/ (https://www.rigzone.com/news/natural_gas_prices_could_double_next_year-15-may-2020-162100-article/)
The price of natural gas could double The EIA's April note forecasts rising gas prices in the autumn, in anticipation of higher winter demand for heating and a revival of industrial activity. [v] At the start of April, gas was priced at just $1.64 per million British thermal units (MMBtu), the lowest it has been since December 2009. MMBtu in KWH : 293 KWh
I have recieved my two shots of vaccine and hope that as more and more of us get our shots that things will return to normal.Or what we call normal.I will try to be here more often now.A couple of friends of mine have past away including a good researcher in the field of magnetics.He had cancer. triffid
Only one person passed that I knew of from covid.It affected her heart and she was 86.triffid
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/08-41-Briten-lehnen-erneuten-Militaereinsatz-in-Afghanistan-ab--article22743909.html (https://www.n-tv.de/politik/08-41-Briten-lehnen-erneuten-Militaereinsatz-in-Afghanistan-ab--article22743909.html)
+++ 00:49 Ex-US-Verteidigungsminister: Sind in Afghanistan vom Weg abgekommen +++Der ehemalige US-Verteidigungsminister Chuck Hagel hat dem US-Militäreinsatz in Afghanistan ein vernichtendes Zeugnis ausgestellt. "Wir haben die Kultur nie verstanden, wir haben die Religion nie verstanden, das Stammesdenken, die Geschichte", sagte der Republikaner Hagel dem Sender CNN. "Man ist zum Scheitern verurteilt, wenn man das nicht versteht. Und wenn man 20 Jahre lang als Besatzungsmacht an einem Ort bleibt, werden die Dinge nicht gut ausgehen (...), weil man am Ende von vielen Menschen als Besatzer angesehen wird." Hagel betonte zwar, dass die USA viele gute Dinge getan hätten, um ein besseres Land zu schaffen. Allerdings sagte er auch: "Ich glaube, wir sind vom Weg abgekommen und haben nicht wirklich verstanden, was wir da machen."
Lost their way in Afghanistan +++ Former US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel has issued a devastating testimony to the US military operation in Afghanistan. "We never understood the culture, we never understood the religion, the tribalism, the history," said the Republican Hagel, the CNN. "You are doomed to fail if you do not understand this. And if you stay in one place as an occupying power for 20 years, things will not turn out well (...) because in the end you will be viewed by many people as an occupier. " Hagel emphasized that the US had done many good things to create a better country. However, he also said: "I think we went astray and didn't really understand what we were doing."
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah) or https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(Gott (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(Gott))
ELohim DER-Oheim(b) ABBE/ABBA DER VATER der VAETER
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oheim (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oheim) biologische versus soziale VATER-schaft
the Shah-in-Shah
Ceus/Zeus Caelum/IOS
IOS/ius sanguis IOS/ius terranis
weltlich/Erde/individual/materiell geistlich/Himmel/sozial/imateriell
in-/contro-/verse der allgemeinen Denk-Art
Genauso duemmlich wie die NSDAP als " rechte Partei " zu bezeichnen,dabei historische franzoesische parlamentarische Links-Rechts-Positionierung
-aus Parlaments-Praesidenten-Sicht, zu vertauschen ! Kontro-vers !
Links=Progressive Delegierte Rechts= Konservative Delegierte
Mitte : Die Opportunen,"mal sehen wo mehr zu holen ist",deshalb : liberal ;)
National-Sozialistische Arbeiter-Politik ist progressiv gewesen ,sowohl auch die derer Kompatrioten ;D ,die der Sozialistischen (Nomen et Omen ) Partei
in-/ dividuum = un-/geteiltes WESEN
gens/genus mens/menus
female male neutrum
Gott,God = translated also "Wesen/Gestalt(-ung)/Format"
Justiz-Wesen
Sozial-Wesen
Schul-Wesen
Bildungs-Wesen
Wesen,modern : SYSTEM,KOMPLEX
MENTOR
(Himmel-Welt und Erde-Welt )WELTEN-HERR-scher
socius,social : beide/-s (begleitend) im Augenmerk(=Sinn) (bei-)behalten or ambo
"Wir haben die Kultur nie verstanden, wir haben die Religion nie verstanden, das Stammesdenken, die Geschichte"
"We never understood the culture, we never understood the religion, the tribalism, the history,"
Wohl nicht auch die eigene mesopotamisch-koptisch-christliche Religion
"I think we went astray and didn't really understand what we were doing."
Fuer den "aeusseren Westen" nichts Neues ::) DAS FORMAT (griech.-hellenistische Philosophie) unterliegt keinem NORM-AT
Afghanistan : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban)
Die Ideologie der Bewegung basiert auf einer extremen Form des Deobandismus (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_ul-Ulum_Deoband) und ist zudem stark vompaschtunischen Rechts- und Ehrenkodex (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paschtunwali), dem Paschtunwali, geprägt.
Briten,Sowjets,US-Boys+Girls/N.A.T.O. troups : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_ul-Ulum_Deoband (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_ul-Ulum_Deoband)
Die von dort ausgehenden Lehren haben sich zu einer Bewegung formiert, deren Anhänger meist Deobandis genannt werden. Die Deobandis selbst lehnen diese Bezeichnung ab, sie nennen sich selbst einfach Muslim. Die Bewegung hat Einfluss auf die Muslime in Pakistan (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan) und Indien, Bangladesch (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesch), Afghanistan (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan), Malaysia (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia), Südafrika (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCdafrika) und Indonesien (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesien).[2] (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_ul-Ulum_Deoband#cite_note-2)[3] (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_ul-Ulum_Deoband#cite_note-3)
Außerdem hat sie unter den meist aus Südasien stammenden Muslimen in Großbritannien (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vereinigtes_K%C3%B6nigreich) großen Einfluss.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanafiten (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanafiten)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiqh (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiqh)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paschtunwali (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paschtunwali) i.V. EL(ohim)-law ,PATRI-ARCH-AT
Pro or contra worked ?
Many millions Dar_ul-Ulum_Deoband (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_ul-Ulum_Deoband)-Muslims world-wide,I assume,do observe what happens in Afghanistan and greater cultural Muslim-world !
Pakistan-Talib movement : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamiat_Ulema-e-Islam (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamiat_Ulema-e-Islam)
Kabul today reminds https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frequent_Wind (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Frequent_Wind)
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/US-Soldaten-feuern-Warnschuesse-am-Flughafen-ab-article22745028.html (https://www.n-tv.de/politik/US-Soldaten-feuern-Warnschuesse-am-Flughafen-ab-article22745028.html)
soziale VATERschaft f.e. LANDES-VATER vulgo President inclusive https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ius_primae_noctis (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ius_primae_noctis)
physiokratische "Himmel"-s-Welt und "Erde"-Welt - Bindung/Vermaehlung ( "FEUDALISMUS" )
Gerichts-Herr(schaft) = Leib-Herr(schaft)
historische "LANDES-VATER"
El wird in Menschengestalt und in königlichen Gewändern dargestellt. Auf Abbildungen ist er zum Zeichen seines hohen Alters mit grauen Haaren zu sehen. Eine 13 Zentimeter hohe Bronzeskulptur zeigt einen sitzenden Gott mit einem Bart und einer ägyptischen Atef-Krone (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atef-Krone).
aegyptisch = koptisch
Er trägt einen langen Mantel mit syrischem Wulstsaum und Sandalen. Die rechte Hand ist in einer segnenden Geste erhoben. Die Stierhörner, ein Gegenstand in seiner linken Hand und der Thron, auf dem die nicht eindeutig mit El identifizierte Figur saß, sind verschwunden.
Auf der 47 Zentimeter hohen sogenannten ,,El-Stele" aus Serpentin (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpentingruppe) sitzt rechts ein bärtiger Gott mit einem langen Mantel und Hörnerkrone, seine Füße ruhen auf einem Schemel. Ihm gegenüber steht als Beter der König mit einer Krone auf dem Kopf, in den Händen hält er ein Szepter und einen Krug mit Opfergaben.[3] (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(Gott)#cite_note-3)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithras)
der Thron der SITZ , der VOR-SITZ , VOR=PRE -SITZ=-SIDENT widerspricht spaeterem 1.Gebot /Kapitale/Kategorie
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Geruest-fuer-3-5-Billionen-Dollar-Paket-steht-article22738122.html (https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Geruest-fuer-3-5-Billionen-Dollar-Paket-steht-article22738122.html)
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1975/umfrage/staatsverschuldung-der-usa/ (https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1975/umfrage/staatsverschuldung-der-usa/)
https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/165786/umfrage/staatsverschuldung-der-usa-in-relation-zum-bruttoinlandsprodukt-bip/ (https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/165786/umfrage/staatsverschuldung-der-usa-in-relation-zum-bruttoinlandsprodukt-bip/)
https://www.derstandard.de/story/2000118822805/us-schuldenspirale-ergreift-staat-firmen-und-haushalte (https://www.derstandard.de/story/2000118822805/us-schuldenspirale-ergreift-staat-firmen-und-haushalte)
Da sich aber auch Haushalte, Unternehmen und der Finanzsektor hemmungslos weiterverschuldet hatten, kletterte die Gesamtverschuldung des Landes per Ende März auf 73,9 Billionen US-Dollar, was rund 389 Prozent des US-BIP entspricht.
But since households, companies and the financial sector had also continued to borrow unrestrained, the country's total debt climbed to 73.9 trillion US dollars at the end of March, which corresponds to around 389 percent of US GDP.
in german language Milliarde ( 1 with 9 zeros) = is in anglophonic maths : Billion
ergo Billion (1 with 12 Zeros) = : Trillion
73 900 000 000 000 US$
Fed-Chef Jerome Powell stellte unlängst indirekt klar, dass er in dieser Situation auch eine (+Rentenpapiere-/)Aktienblase in Kauf nehmen würde, um die Beschäftigung hoch und die Inflation stabil zu halten.
Fed Chairman Jerome Powell recently made it clear indirectly that in this situation he would also accept a (+ bonds - /) equity bubble in order to keep employment high and inflation stable.
= called "ZOMBINOMICS"
https://www.businessinsider.com/if-people-knew-the-actual-inflation-rate-it-would-crash-the-economy-2016-8 (https://www.businessinsider.com/if-people-knew-the-actual-inflation-rate-it-would-crash-the-economy-2016-8)
The grim reality is that real inflation is 7+% per year.
salary real inflation-compensation ? retrospectively ?
https://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/video/video-903757.html (https://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/video/video-903757.html) Insolvenzrecht = Insolvenzpflicht sonst Insolvenzverschleppung
ehemals Konkursverschleppung genannt ,Strafdelikt beim freien und Politik-unabhaengigem Rechts-Wesen
AAA or BBB or CCC rating in future ? ( like other Estates ?)
non-investment grade declaration if by 2 international rating-agencies given
Noe,nit "Pariser Kommune"-ismus ( auf deren Auftrag ein gewisser Marx,gesponsort von einem Engels,ein Pamphlet namens "(Pariser) Kommunistische Manifest" als ARBEITER-CONSTITUTION,plebistisch-proletarisch, verfasste) ,aber "american way socialism" ,dabei hoffentlich beachtend :
the financial inverse/cube law effect in the https://www.jstor.org/stable/1884813 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/1884813)
Sonst : AUSSER SPESEN NICHTS GEWESEN = WALRAS LAW oder VIEL WIND(FALL /CRASH PROFITS) UM NICHTS
Und,dear Donald-boy,Philosophy/Sociology and termination is really in their denomination complex to see and to understand :
Herder-Verlag,catholic, Lexikon : C wie Christentum :
die Ur-Kommune um den Rabbi Jesus von Nazareth galt als kommunistisch lebend und sozial wirkend
theologischer Kommunismus ! Die Theology des Christentums spaltete sich auf : Arianer und Trinitisten
Fuer Trinitisten gilt also : GOTT
(Vater-Sohn-Heiliger Geist-Trinity/Dreifaltigkeit )
IST KOMMUNIST !
Das Religions-Wesen ist ein echt komplexes System 8)
In a communistic God the U.S.A. cristianity trust ? ::)
https://www.amana.com/ (https://www.amana.com/) ein von einer in die U.S.A. ausgewanderte sozial-kommunistische Sekte begruendetes Unternehmen
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amana_Colonies#:~:text=Die%20Amana%20sind%20eine%20christliche,Mitglieder%20aus%20dem%20gemeinsam%20Erwirtschafteten (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amana_Colonies#:~:text=Die%20Amana%20sind%20eine%20christliche,Mitglieder%20aus%20dem%20gemeinsam%20Erwirtschafteten).
Extremisten,Pietisten,Puritaner
Das liberale Europa war froh dieses orthodoxe Gesindel in die weite "Neue Welt" abschieben zu koennen ! ;D
What a tremor, no : horror , no : terror
or finally , only : furor ? ;D
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Bolton-Taliban-wollen-Atomwaffen-article22751378.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Bolton-Taliban-wollen-Atomwaffen-article22751378.html)
What means : Talib ? Pupil ? Student ? Coran,I´slam : Secondary/ basic school,high school level,University/Madrasa(alma mater) ?
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talib (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talib)
What is a "normal Talib/pupil-student (f./m.)" ? What is an "extremistic Talib/pupil-student (f./m.)" ?
Where is the border when "normal" becomes orthodox/radical/extreme/militant ? Included self-justice !
U.S. Capitol Hill attack by US-bible belt -Talibs 8)
Inside/outside private households ?! Between the generations ?!
Are the Talib´ans in Pakistan not also in the government represented ? So : they have also atomic/nuclear power potential !
What/when differes a Talib(f./m.) from a Jihad/Dschihad-ist(f./m.) ?
Passive/active : demands the Coran-religion not from all this religion members the Dschihad !?
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dschihad (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dschihad)
The question : with which weapons !?
psychologic demand ? or physical change demand ?
by logic and mental conviction
Etymologically (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Etymologisch?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem,se) , the term describes an effort aimed at a specific goal. [2] (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dschihad?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem,se#cite_note-2) In the Koran (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Koran?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem,se) and the Sunna (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Sunna?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem,se) , this term primarily describes military combat. [3] (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dschihad?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem,se#cite_note-blan-3) It is not clear from the Koran whether this is a universal fight against people of different faiths or whether this fight only pursues defensive goals: [4] (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dschihad?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem,se#cite_note-4) " The existing written material requires interpretation, whereby the attitude of the interpreters is of decisive importance which was and is significantly shaped by the different political and social framework conditions. " [5] (https://de-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Dschihad?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=ajax,elem,se#cite_note-5)
or pistols,guns,rockets,.....
Demands the Coran not also the N.A.T.O. member Turkey the Jihad-combat as solution ?
When the Jihad is a demand ? Not ever and everywhere ?
Where is the border when "normal ::) Jihad " becomes "orthodox/radical/extreme/militant Jihad ",global ?
Mao, cat-function: " jung oder alt, Hauptsache,diese faengt Maeuse " NU(E)TZ-LICH sein !
"Young or old, the main thing is that this catches mice" ,being usefull !
and
semi-/analphabetic Afghanistan-Armee soldiers reaction : keine/no "Maeuse" (USA paid sold="Maeuse" - stop ) , NUTZ-LOS = useless !
MONEY RULES THE WORLD ( not Coran,Bible,Constitution )
and WEAPONS !
John Bolton, former US security advisor :
advisor -por gratia /por dignitas-
or "paid polit-soldier" ?
:o
https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/politik/Was-geschieht-mit-meinen-Toechtern-wenn-ich-tot-bin--article22751644.html (https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/politik/Was-geschieht-mit-meinen-Toechtern-wenn-ich-tot-bin--article22751644.html)
Afghan women panic
"What happens to my daughters when I'm dead?"
Null Problemo !
Jede neue oder gebrauchte Muschi findet deren Mausi
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/news-ausland/mega-bordell-in-bangladesch-die-stadt-der-verkauften-frauen-58778194.bild.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/news-ausland/mega-bordell-in-bangladesch-die-stadt-der-verkauften-frauen-58778194.bild.html)
Payment : in Sperma-or bit(ch)-coin ?
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/Ungeimpfte-preisen-Sperma-als-neuen-Bitcoin-article22749925.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/Ungeimpfte-preisen-Sperma-als-neuen-Bitcoin-article22749925.html)
Was,auch noch Trinkgeld ? :o Prost,Madel ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHmjexd7UY8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHmjexd7UY8) von Eier- zu Samen-Liquor :-[
LIEBE GEHT DURCH DEN MAGEN
Immer fluessig/liquide sein bekommt eine neue Bedeutung ! :P
Reicht schon einfach : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetlands_(novel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetlands_(novel)) ? nicht ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJtrGH-vIAk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJtrGH-vIAk)
Britischer (Aufklaerungs-)Humor, non grata in Afghanistan ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9nNrrDd37Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9nNrrDd37Y) meets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9S3YMmIFdw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9S3YMmIFdw)
Latrinen-Weisheit : pecunia non olet + Botanik-Weisheit : aber Pekunien
Afghanistan und "westliche Werte" : soziale Sitten-und Moral-Athrophie inbegriffen ?
News reading included wider conclusion ::) :
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Afghanistan-Es-gibt-dieses-Land-gar-nicht--article22755222.html (https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Afghanistan-Es-gibt-dieses-Land-gar-nicht--article22755222.html)
Augstein & Blome im Gegenverkehr
Zu lang geblieben oder zu früh rausgegangen?
Verkehrsministerium
Geschlechtsverkehrministerium
Gleichstellungsministerium
Prolog :
Mann : rein zufaellig auf Andreas ( mit A faengt das Alphabet an ) fallend
Frau : Schwulia,irgendwie selten vorzufinden ,aber irgendwie "Monty Python"
Schwarzer = Trauernder,christliche Begraebnis-Tracht tragend ,oder :
Kontaminierter = Schwarzkassen-Griff/-Baden(Dago-Duck) WM2006-Bauer
Weisser = Trauernder, islamische Tracht tragend
Die Kurzstory :
Ein Mann (http://witze.net/m%c3%a4nner-witze) geht zum Arzt (http://witze.net/arzt-witze) und beschwert sich, dass seine Frau (http://witze.net/frauen-witze) keinen Spaß im Bett hat und keinen Orgasmus (http://witze.net/orgasmus-witze) bekommt.
Der Arzt meint: "Na, dann versuchen sie eine angenehme Atmosphäre zu schaffen, stellen sie Kerzen auf, streuen Rosenblüten, seien sie ganz zärtlich.
Sollte das nicht funktionieren, so kommen sie morgen wieder zu mir."
Der Mann kommt am darauf folgenden Tag und teilt dem Arzt mit, dass das nicht geklappt hat.
Der Arzt meint nun:
"Such dir einen Schwarzen, der soll sich nackt vor deine Frau stellen und mit seinem besten Stück wedeln ... und du nimmst sie von hinten!"
Der Mann geht nach Hause, der Schwarze wedelt mit seinem , der Mann packt seine Frau von hinten, doch seine Frau bekommt trotzdem keinen Orgasmus.
Der Mann meint zum Schwarzen:
"Los komm, nimm du sie von hinten und ich werde wedeln..."
Der Mann stellt sich vor seine Frau und wedelt mit seinem , der Schwarze nimmt die Frau von hinten.
Die Frau fängt an zu stöhnen und bekommt einen Orgasmus nach dem anderen ...Der Mann zum Schwarzen: "Hast du gesehen? So musst du wedeln!"
Beim Verkehr kommt es auf das richtige Wedeln drauf an ?
https://www.bz-berlin.de/leute/verkehrsminister-andreas-scheuer-julia-reuss-hochzeit (https://www.bz-berlin.de/leute/verkehrsminister-andreas-scheuer-julia-reuss-hochzeit)
Oh,ein neuer Geschlechtsverkehrminister im Hause Reuss !
Links-oder Rechts-drehend ?
Heisst der aktuelle Verkehrsminister des deutschen Bundestages nun Andreas Reuss ?
Augstein & Blome in oncoming traffic
Stayed too long or went out too early?
Ministry of Transport
Department of Sexual Intercourse
Ministry of Gender Equality
Prologue:
Man: falling purely by chance on Andreas (the alphabet starts with A)
Woman: Gay, somehow rare to find, but somehow "Monty Python"
Schwarzer = mourner, wearing Christian funeral costume, or:
Contaminated = black box handle / bathing (Dago-Duck) WM2006 farmer
Weisser = mourner, wearing Islamic costume
The short story:
A man goes to the doctor and complains that his wife is not having fun in bed and is not getting orgasm.
The doctor says: "Well, then try to create a pleasant atmosphere, put up candles, sprinkle rose petals, be very tender.
If that doesn't work, they'll come back to me tomorrow. "
The man comes the next day and tells the doctor that it didn't work.
The doctor now says:
"Find a black guy who should stand naked in front of your wife and wave his best piece ... and you take her from behind!"
The man goes home, the black man waves his hand, the man grabs his wife from behind, but his wife still does not get an orgasm.
The man says to the black man:
"Come on, take her from behind and I'll wave ..."
The man stands in front of his wife and waves his hand, the black man takes the woman from behind.
The woman begins to moan and gets one orgasm after the other ... The man to the black: "Did you see? You have to wave like that!"
When it comes to traffic, is it all about waving correctly?
https://www.bz-berlin.de/ (https://www.bz-berlin.de/) Menschen/verkehrsminister-andreas-scheuer-julia-reuss-hochzeit
Oh, a new (here censored :-[ ) minister in the Reuss house!
Left or right turning?
Is the current transport minister in the German Bundestag now called Andreas Reuss?
google translator is juuuuuuut ! ;D Aus Schwulia becomes gay ! ::) Monty Python really near ! ;)
Geschlechtsverkehr to sexual intercourse ! :o Impressed by : the neuronal description ! Really diplomatic !
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why is the CDU candidate for chancellor Laschet constantly farting around
The CDU party general-secretary demands : "Laschet muss jetzt Vollgas geben"
https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/politik/Laschet-muss-jetzt-Vollgas-geben-article22754029.html (https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/politik/Laschet-muss-jetzt-Vollgas-geben-article22754029.html)
Welch spassige Menschheit !
https://overunity.com/5915/suprakreis/60/ (https://overunity.com/5915/suprakreis/60/)
https://overunity.com/18697/documentary-on-a-climate-change-solution/msg559822/#new (https://overunity.com/18697/documentary-on-a-climate-change-solution/msg559822/#new)
https://www.grimmstories.com/de/grimm_maerchen/von_dem_fischer_un_seiner_frau (https://www.grimmstories.com/de/grimm_maerchen/von_dem_fischer_un_seiner_frau)
Waaaaas,diese will nicht ?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem)
Dann bild dir eine sittengerechte Ahmung ! ::)
Dr. Fraunachlot "Monster-Maschine" ;D
Fascis und Dschihad :
Fascis heisst 2021 organisatorisch : Recht-Staat,dabei beachtend dass dem einen Recht ist dem Anderen Pflicht und reverso !
Pflicht-Staat
die 3.Gewalten die 3.Klassen 3.Staende Staat
= die Sozialklassen,anbei Rechte/Pflichten
"VOLKS"-Aufbau/-Struktur
1te Stand legislative Erstgeborene = "Vaeter" per Verfassung und Geber
= Patrizier ,Namenstraeger,Titeltraeger,Landeigentuemer
2te Stand iurisdicative Naechstgeborene zu "Vaeter"-Grad = Diener/Arbeiter und Nehmer
= Proletarier ,konkret eigentlich: Plebs/Plebejer ,
Titeltraeger,Landlose
3te Stand exekutive Naechstgeborene zu "Vaeter und deren Diener"-Grad
= deren Beschuetzer/lebendige Dronen
Namenlose= Zahl ,Titellose, Landlose = NIEMAND-Klassse
2021 : > 90% der Weltbevoelkerung nach historischer Betrachtung 3te Stand
> 90% In BR Deutschland
In France
In Rossija
In PRC
In India
In USA
everywhere
= internationale STAATS-Aufbau einst bis 2021 und folgernd
PATRIZIER und PROLETARIAT
Angela Merkel,Dr.rer.nat, "Kanzler*in" des Deutschen Bundestages = 2te Stand
Deutsche "Bundes"-Rat = 1te Stand ( zumindest ehemals,Rechtsnachfolge)
Reichs-Rat = Bundes-Rat Reichs-Tag = Bundes-Tag
Der Oesterreicher A.H. wurde zum Reichs-Kanzler ernannnt,Kanzler = Titel des deutschen Reichs-Rates ,nicht Reichs-Tages
Bedeutungs-Inflation ! DEKADENZ ! v.Hindenburgs Alters-Demenz ?
Ein Un-/Person,durchgefallen bei der "Musterung" : untauglich !
O. von Bismark,Fuerst,und Stellvertreter Preussens im Reichs-Rat : Reichs-Kanzler
wo clericales/geistliches Recht/Pflicht weltlichem/saecularem Recht/Pflicht per Verfassung/Constitution gleichgestellt ist = Gottesstaat
fascis auch genannt Bund/Vereinigung :
Lausanne : VOELKER-BUND ,Genf/New York : Vereinte Nationen
Magister an der Universitas = Recht-s-Abschluss auch genannt Abitur ,einst 7 facultas ,Faecher
Befaehigung=Patent/Diplom hoeherer Sozialberufe,2.Stand der Gesellschaft ,dem Magistrat zugehoerig ,den Ordens-/Ordnungs-Berufen
Staats-Offizier ,Florenz Uffizien = Werkstaette
Offizier : der das Gesetzeswerk Ausfuehrende
3.Stand : Miliz,Militaer,Polis/Police/Polizei
Frauenrecht Frauenpflicht
Maennerrecht Maennerpflicht
ab welchem Alter sozial Mann/Frau
ab welcher Qualifikation Mann/Frau
Menschen-Recht Menschen-Pflicht
Rechte-Heft und Pflichten-Heft
Ver-/Erbungs-Recht Ver-/Erbungs-Pflicht
empirische/eherne Erb-Folgegesetz
Fertilitaetsvorrecht : nur dem 1.Stand ,Erstgeborenen ( Problem bei biologischen Mehrlingen)
dem Erstgeborenem steht der Verzicht zu oder Fertlitaetsvorrecht-Uebertragung an Bruder bzw. Schwester
2,/3. und mehr Geburten :
zukuenftige 2.Stand/3.Stand Kinderlos-Lebensplanung seitens der Gross-/Eltern derer Saeuglinge
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%B6libat (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%B6libat) ist nicht nur clerical/klerikal bedeutsam,
gesamtgesellschaftliche Ordnung darstellend, Eherecht beim "Patron/Vater(nicht biologischem)" erbitten
Patron/Sozial-Vater = Gesetzes-Werk-Herr(schaft)
Wir waren,wir sind : eine Standes-/Klassen-Gesellschaft
socius/sozial : geistlich/weltlich
"Dschihad" im Christentum : Missionierung = Missio/Verfassungsausfuehrung = Laeuterung ,bei Exzerzitien = Beachtung
Laeuterung : Laut ,Vox/Voz und Votum/Plazet
ad Vox : mit Beistand Advogado/advocate oder Anwalt/lawyer
individuelle Fascis : der Begleiter, "innere Stimme,Stimmung" und Planung : Bestimmung gleichbleibend,veraendernd
Wunsch oder Befehl
Exekution : Existenz oder Exodus
opus deii compared opus humanis :
Tand,Tand - durch falscher oder schlechter Menschenhand
Vertreibung,Abtreibung,Selbsttod : die Zukunft , bei freier Selbstentscheidung
Der "Mensch" - der Robot - der Cobot
Tesla (Motors) presents Robot and Cobot production : who is who
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcSmNeCNrpw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcSmNeCNrpw) Robot or Cobot ?!
X Æ A-12 : Cobot or Robot !?
From #4441 :
The woman begins to moan and gets one orgasm after the other ...
The woman-cobot X Æ A-12 begins to moan
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klitoris (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klitoris)
,,Klitoraler" und ,,vaginaler" Orgasmus
Früher unterschied man bei der Frau zwischen dem ,,vaginalen" Orgasmus (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgasmus#Der_Orgasmus_der_Frau), der ausschließlich durch vaginale Stimulation, also durch Eindringen mit dem in die Scheide,
mit eingeführtem Finger (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fingering) oder mit einem Vibrator (oder anderen Gegenständen z.B. "Mumm"-oder "Veuve Clicquot"-Behaelter) ), erreicht werde,
und dem ,,klitoralen" Orgasmus, der ausschließlich durch Stimulation der Klitoriseichel, Glans clitoridis, erreicht werde.
Viele Untersuchungen, beispielsweise die von Kinsey (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Charles_Kinsey), weisen darauf hin,
dass ein beachtlicher Anteil der Frauen nur dann zum Orgasmus kommen kann, wenn die Klitoris (mit-)stimuliert wird.
(Siehe hierzu auch den aktuellen Stand der Forschung (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgasmus#Stand_der_Forschung).)
"Clitoral" and "vaginal" orgasm
In the past, a distinction was made in women between the "vaginal" orgasm, which is achieved exclusively through vaginal stimulation,
i.e. penetration with the into the vagina,
with an inserted finger or with a vibrator (or other objects), and the "clitoral" Orgasm that can only be achieved by stimulating the glans clitoridis.
Many studies, such as that of Kinsey, indicate that a considerable proportion of women can only orgasm if the clitoris is (co-) stimulated. (See also the current state of research.)
we want to get " the moan" scientifical correct,is it not ?!
Bavaria : woman meets other woman,with male accompaniment :
woman : "Is det dei Moan ?"
woman with accompaniment : "Jo,aber im Bett a Schloapschwanz !"
anglo-/saxonic to luso-/romano to gracian to semitic : Folk = Volk = Bolk
F=B=V
scola,escola,school,Schule
Talmud /Talib/Bibelum/Fibel/Buch/Book ( a. profan/ b . sacral ,singularis/pluralis )
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud#:~:text=Der%20Talmud%20(hebr%C3%A4isch%20%D7%AA%D6%B7%D6%BC%D7%9C%D6%B0%D7%9E%D7%95%D6%BC%D7%93%20%2C%20deutsch,der%20bedeutendsten%20Schriftwerke%20des%20Judentums.&text=Der%20Talmud%20enth%C3%A4lt%20selbst%20keine,Rabbinern%20verstanden%20und%20ausgelegt%20wurden (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud#:~:text=Der%20Talmud%20(hebr%C3%A4isch%20%D7%AA%D6%B7%D6%BC%D7%9C%D6%B0%D7%9E%D7%95%D6%BC%D7%93%20%2C%20deutsch,der%20bedeutendsten%20Schriftwerke%20des%20Judentums.&text=Der%20Talmud%20enth%C3%A4lt%20selbst%20keine,Rabbinern%20verstanden%20und%20ausgelegt%20wurden).
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talib (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talib)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibel (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibel)
Ueber Uns Menschen und dem biologischen Zyklus :
Frau : Menstruations-Zyklus Mann : Pollutions-Zyklus
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/klima-energie-und-umwelt/was-die-ausweitung-des-emissionshandels-fuer-folgen-hat-17494354.html (https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/klima-energie-und-umwelt/was-die-ausweitung-des-emissionshandels-fuer-folgen-hat-17494354.html)
Ausweitung des Emissions-/Pollutions-Handels :P :
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/Ungeimpfte-preisen-Sperma-als-neuen-Bitcoin-article22749925.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/Ungeimpfte-preisen-Sperma-als-neuen-Bitcoin-article22749925.html)
Welch spassige Menschheit !
So influentorisch witzig-bitchig !
Mit/ohne Bart !
Nach internationalem Rating : Ramsch-/Junk-/Lixo-Klasse
Rang-los
Ein Chinese (http://witze.de/witze-chinesen), ein Japaner (http://witze.de/witze-japaner) und ein Jude stellen sich einer Samuraiprüfung.
Hierzu wird ihnen vom weisesten aller Samurai-Meister aufgetragen, eine Fliege (http://witze.de/witze-fliegen) im Flug mit dem Samurai-Schwert zu zerteilen.
Zuerst ist der Chinese an der Reihe. Er fuchtelt kurz mit dem Schwer herum und beide Hälften der Fliege fallen zu Boden. Prüfung (http://witze.de/witze-pr%c3%bcfungen) bestanden.
Dann wirbelt der Japaner sein Schwert herum. Die Fliege wurde in vier Teile zerlegt. Prüfung noch besser bestanden.
Zum Schluss ist der Jude an der Reihe.
Er fuchtelt wie wild mit dem Schwert in der Luft herum. Die Fliege taumelt kurz im Flug, um dann aber unbeirrt weiterzuschwirren. "Du hast die Fliege nicht getroffen und die Samurai-Prüfung nicht bestanden!" sagt der weiseste aller Samurai-Meister ernst.
"Ihr irrt, Meister", entgegnet lächelnd der Jude, "denn ich habe die Fliege soeben im Flug beschnitten!"
Jude,trotz allem "Themaverfehlung" : zu zerteilen ::) ;D Deshalb: durchgefallen !
2ter Pruefungs-Versuch gegeben ? ;)
( Gespraech zwischen 2 Fliegen : Ja so sind die Juden ! Erst beschneiden sie einen und dann .... 8) )
https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/politik/Soeder-hat-keinen-Bock-auf-Opposition-article22756511.html (https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/politik/Soeder-hat-keinen-Bock-auf-Opposition-article22756511.html)
Söder hat "keinen (Baer-)Bock auf Opposition"
(Bull-) Bock ?
https://www.n-tv.de/der_tag/Der-Tag-auf-ntv-de-am-Samstag-den-21-August-2021-article22755893.html (https://www.n-tv.de/der_tag/Der-Tag-auf-ntv-de-am-Samstag-den-21-August-2021-article22755893.html)
CSU-Generalsekretär Markus Blume:
"Jetzt wird Deutschland gerockt."
Ein Mann- ein blumiges- Wort
"Patrizier " hymnisch singen lassen :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF2kl7K-sP0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF2kl7K-sP0)
Und jetzt CSU-Chef Markus Söder:
"Es ist Zeit, souverän und engagiert, sexy und solide(lang und hart ?) zu zeigen, wer wir sind und was wir können.
Und wir können es noch."
Und wir können es noch. :o Moan,Moan oder Gott zum Grusze
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Trump-Bidens-Abzug-ist-totale-Kapitulation-article22756904.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Trump-Bidens-Abzug-ist-totale-Kapitulation-article22756904.html)
Thinking = judging : No,neither Biden nor Trump !
Whom ? The opportun "democratic" Afghanis !
In " German Democratic Republic " we find also this social term ! Was democratic U.N. member, U.N. "DEMOCRATIA" CHARTA !
Mediterra : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtRSLozhTqQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtRSLozhTqQ)
Baba yetu, yetu uliye
Mbinguni yetu, yetu, amina
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye
Jina lako litukuzwe
Baba yetu, yetu uliye
Mbinguni yetu, yetu, amina
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye
Jina lako litukuzwe
Utupe leo chakula chetu
Tunachohitaji utusamehe
Makosa yetu, hey
Kama nasi tunavyowasamehe
Waliotukosea, usitutie
Katika majaribu, lakini
Utuokoe, na yule, milele na milele
Baba yetu, yetu uliye
Mbinguni yetu, yetu, amina
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye
Jina lako litukuzwe
Baba yetu, yetu uliye
Mbinguni yetu, yetu, amina
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye
Jina lako litukuzwe
Ufalme wako ufike utakalo
Lifanyike duniani kama mbinguni, amina
Baba yetu, yetu uliye
Mbinguni yetu, yetu, amina
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye
Jina lako litukuzwe
Baba yetu, yetu uliye
Mbinguni yetu, yetu, amina
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye
Jina lako litukuzwe
Utupe leo chakula chetu
Tunachohitaji utusamehe
Makosa yetu, hey
Kama nasi tunavyowasamehe
Waliotukosea, usitutie
Katika majaribu, lakini
Utuokoe na yule msiba milele
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye
Jina lako litukuzwe
Baba yetu, yetu, uliye
Jina lako litukuzwe
or in more "international" lingua :
our father in Heaven
Blessed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will will happen,
as in heaven, so on earth.
Our daily bread Give us today.
And forgive us our debts
as we also forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
Because yours is the kingdom
and the power and the glory
for eternity. Amen.
Gospel of Matthew 6: 9-13
or ,2nd Version, Lk 11,2–4 :
Father, hallowed be your name;
your kingdom come;
give us daily our necessary bread;
and forgive us our sins,
for we ourselves also forgive everyone who owes us;
and lead us not into temptation.
Neither the U.S.A. ,nor the E.U. and also not the U.N. are "Our Father/Our Salvator/Our Feeder " !
DIVORCE from LIFE ,MARRIAGE , PROVIDER/FEEDER : Moratories and Ultimates included ,ad Finis/DEADLINE
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.bpb.de/nachschlagen/zahlen-und-fakten/europa/70518/eheschliessungen-und-scheidungen (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.bpb.de/nachschlagen/zahlen-und-fakten/europa/70518/eheschliessungen-und-scheidungen)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.laenderdaten.de/bevoelkerung/sterberate.aspx (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.laenderdaten.de/bevoelkerung/sterberate.aspx)
Each U.N. member-country needs natural self-sufficiency degree : or it is not SOUVEREIGN ,from someone MASTER its VASALL/SLAVE
political :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectorate#:~:text=A%20protectorate%20is%20a%20state,without%20being%20its%20direct%20possession (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectorate#:~:text=A%20protectorate%20is%20a%20state,without%20being%20its%20direct%20possession).
Probably an help,from many possible ways,for i-/literates,the solution-strategy :
https://www.aitriz.org/ (https://www.aitriz.org/) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrich_Altshuller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrich_Altshuller)
He died from complications of Parkinson's disease (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_disease) in 1998
By his patentarchive studies he discovered that mostly 95% from all humans mechanical/self-sufficiency instruments were involved/discovered !
From 2021 p. C. view we can assume somewhat between 95% and 100% ,now "open source - restrictionfree proliferateable- technology" !
Helping people help themselves to resolve pro-blé-m-s/care ,by given TERMINATION !
In many G20 estates their industries the managers see and abuse the social system in "estate budget = Our Father" manner ,
f.e. Germany the solar cell producer : with/out "feeding" : no existence-able ! No souvereign management but "social dole/alms dependents" !
The car-production sector : same ! The building production sector : same
The F.E.D and E.C.B. : dole/alms spending
A little "FATHER AND MOTHER IN HEAVEN" ( HEAVEN = Himmels-Reich,Reich= Imperium(not kingdom) , popular belief ) here to see actually and by socio-/theo-/teleo-logical understanding :
https://www.wiwo.de/my/politik/konjunktur/notenbanken-die-neue-weltmacht/27532146.html?ticket=ST-10792528-F6zWztor1CwdzRFrRO1E-ap2 (https://www.wiwo.de/my/politik/konjunktur/notenbanken-die-neue-weltmacht/27532146.html?ticket=ST-10792528-F6zWztor1CwdzRFrRO1E-ap2)
Jerome and Christine
hallowed be your names ;
your finance-imperium come;
give us daily our necessary bread;
and forgive us our sins,
for we ourselves also forgive everyone who owes us;
and lead us not into temptation.
Taaaaaaaaa- xis :P ( Santé ! ?)
btw : Jerome and Christine are mortal subjects ( life-line count down ! or F.E.D.-/E.C.B. -contract limit)
Wrong -sustainable- Humanity alike wrong TIERLIEBE/animal-loving ( no,not Sodomie) :
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/panorama/Passanten-fuettern-Ziegen-falsch-20-Tiere-sterben-article22757022.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/panorama/Passanten-fuettern-Ziegen-falsch-20-Tiere-sterben-article22757022.html)
Souveraenitaet ? Souveranity ? Soubereign ?
actually depends : political anti-dependency time-line ?
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Merkel-Nord-Stream-2-keine-Waffe-article22757557.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Merkel-Nord-Stream-2-keine-Waffe-article22757557.html)
Ukraine fears that once Nord Stream 2 goes into operation it will no longer play a role as a transit country for Russian gas deliveries to Europe.
The country lost billions of dollars in revenue that it actually depends on.
lost : ;D errare in Ucraine normal est
Man kann nichts verlieren,wenn es nicht besteht/existiert als realer Anspruch fuer physisch geleistete Dienste ! Kein Dienst = kein Revenue
electric gas instead natural gas makes the total transit (gas industry/exploration regions) - over Ucraine or Nordstream - obsolete !
Fuer Nordstream-Investoren : Sonder-Total-Abschreibung ,Buch-technisch !
Es existiert keine Freundschaft - por gratia- : nicht in der U.N.,nicht in der N.A.T.O.,nicht in der E.U. ! Handfeste/monetaere Vorteile erringen = Devise und Akt !
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnerschaft (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partnerschaft)
dis-/ad-/vantage
An Estate ,its society,destroyed : how to -new- re-/construct ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilization)
Evolutiongames as emergency/adult expedition case manouvre :
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/technik/Humankind-munterer-Mix-der-Zivilisationen-article22754802.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/technik/Humankind-munterer-Mix-der-Zivilisationen-article22754802.html)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/technik/Humankind-trumpft-mit-Kulturschock-auf-article22733334.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/technik/Humankind-trumpft-mit-Kulturschock-auf-article22733334.html)
https://civilization.com/ (https://civilization.com/)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/gespraeche-in-afghanistan-wie-wollen-die-taliban-regieren-17496643.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/gespraeche-in-afghanistan-wie-wollen-die-taliban-regieren-17496643.html)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.waz.de/politik/taliban-anfuehrer-macht-afghanistan-id233084439.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.waz.de/politik/taliban-anfuehrer-macht-afghanistan-id233084439.html)
learning -by doing,first virtual and result avaliation and later real
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.nzz.ch/fotografie/afghanistan-minirock-statt-burka-waehrend-der-goldenen-aera-ld.1640292?reduced%3Dtrue (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.nzz.ch/fotografie/afghanistan-minirock-statt-burka-waehrend-der-goldenen-aera-ld.1640292?reduced%3Dtrue)
Young, pretty, girls shouldn't be lumped together with ugly old women
young girls in Burka and old women with mini skirt
civilisation culture evolution shock ! :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_kP5p9p8Zo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_kP5p9p8Zo)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FSlRMaxZ_c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FSlRMaxZ_c)
Turnvater Jahn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Ludwig_Jahn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Ludwig_Jahn)
vom OUTFIT bestimmt begeistert / surely being enthusiastic about the OUTFIT :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gl5OEZ8j_o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gl5OEZ8j_o)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/China-nimmt-deutsche-Industrie-in-die-Zange-article22759103.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/China-nimmt-deutsche-Industrie-in-die-Zange-article22759103.html)
Good Bad
for whom ?
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/auto/E-Autos-China-macht-es-billiger-article22755259.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/auto/E-Autos-China-macht-es-billiger-article22755259.html)
Good Bad
for
producer consumer
eurasian passengers/cargo transport
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://rail.cc/de/zug/duisburg-nach-shanghai (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://rail.cc/de/zug/duisburg-nach-shanghai)
Shanghai nach Duisburg
to
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/China-nimmt-deutsche-Industrie-in-die-Zange-article22759103.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/China-nimmt-deutsche-Industrie-in-die-Zange-article22759103.html)
to remark :
also in China we find "research institute"-s = culture and economy -strategy- study thinktanks
80´,last centennial ,B.R.Deutschland and Japan im-/export relationship as same
company UVEX (like other german/european) has had to give mostly all "production steps/secrets" for free to enter the japanese market ; included japanese delegation visit in their company
reference : https://www.wiwo.de/ (https://www.wiwo.de/) -Archiv
by the same magazine to read in the 90´ about homeland price politics and export market price politics :
what at home to 100% sold in the export region to 20% ,clearly by less "hightech (often useless) package"
comparison parameter/criterium ?
China's share of goods imports into EU countries has almost tripled from 2.7 percent in 2000 to 7.6 percent in 2019.
Germany's share initially rose from 14 percent in 2000 to 15 percent in 2005 and then fell to 13.8 percent in 2019.
by price or unit number ?
China in E.U. -by product- as same important as the german export industry production ware ?
For example, state-owned companies would compete with private German exporters.
What conditionize and differ 2021 p.C. this expression "private" in economy from "public" ?
Debit-financed ware = ware in finance institution ownership ,by law and constitutional defined
in E.U.- bank-system union = E.C.B.-ownership
VW ? B-M.W./M.B.,.....,SIEMENS,...... E.C.B.-ownership,by law and given debit-state
Stamm-/Namens-/Vorzugs-Aktien-Nehmerschaft (= nur Eigenkapital-Seite) : obsolet !
Who owns - by law (constitutional !)- the E.U.-estates ?
Einem 3d-Printer ist eine BIP-BSP/GDP/PPP -Bewertung sowas von bedeutungslos !
and political reorganisation to :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_of_Europe,_A_Eurotopia%3F (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_United_States_of_Europe,_A_Eurotopia%3F)
https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/386-my-kingdom-for-a-beer-heinekens-eurotopia (https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/386-my-kingdom-for-a-beer-heinekens-eurotopia)
Why not ? Testable ! (not only the beer ! mindmapping to reality )
in which larger European countries break into a number of smaller, more ethnically and linguistically homogeneous states.
Eurotopia and Ucraine ? " ...... ukrainische Frage ....."
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#/media/Datei:17th_Congress_AUCP-2.jpg (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor#/media/Datei:17th_Congress_AUCP-2.jpg)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Selenskyj-Countdown-fuer-Rueckholung-laeuft-article22758971.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Selenskyj-Countdown-fuer-Rueckholung-laeuft-article22758971.html)
best case/worst case experience and to work for repeat/defence
divide et impera
I.B.M.: THINK BIG
WORK IT OUT
Europe,U.S.A.,Russia,China,India,........... re-engineering in progress
related Afghanistan the question related : Emir / Amir /Admiral/ portuguese f.e. N.A.T.O.- Al-mir-ante (Almirante)
https://apps-cloud.n-tv.de/img/22758966-1629715067000/17-6/750/9b3e12c120548f156bb22ca7962a8adf.jpg (https://apps-cloud.n-tv.de/img/22758966-1629715067000/17-6/750/9b3e12c120548f156bb22ca7962a8adf.jpg)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir%23:~:text%3DEmir%2520%28im%2520europ%25C3%25A4ischen%2520Raum%2520em%25C4%25ABr,%25E2%2580%259C%252C%2520auch%2520%25E2%2580%259EGouverneur%25E2%2580%259C (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir%23:~:text%3DEmir%2520%28im%2520europ%25C3%25A4ischen%2520Raum%2520em%25C4%25ABr,%25E2%2580%259C%252C%2520auch%2520%25E2%2580%259EGouverneur%25E2%2580%259C).
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Paschtunen-fordern-Recht-zum-Regieren-article22759620.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Paschtunen-fordern-Recht-zum-Regieren-article22759620.html)
Islamic : sunna + schia ?
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiqh (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiqh)
warum einfach,wenn es auch kompliziert-afghanisch geht ::)
Normalerweise steckt man euch ins Pfeifchen :
schwarzen afghanen rauchen
Rauchware /Tobacco
https://amsterdam.org/de/coffeeshops.php (https://amsterdam.org/de/coffeeshops.php) ob es da auch einen "gelben Pashtunen" gibt ?
" rosa Kimba" frisch vom Pandschir ?
#4443 :
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Ern%C3%A4hrungs_Pyramide.jpg/220px-Ern%C3%A4hrungs_Pyramide.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Ern%C3%A4hrungs_Pyramide.jpg/220px-Ern%C3%A4hrungs_Pyramide.jpg)
anno dazumal
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaterunser (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaterunser)
Father, hallowed be your name;your kingdom come;
give us daily our necessary bread;
and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who owes us;
and lead us not into temptation.
" give us daily our necessary bread; "
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broteinheit (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broteinheit) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate_counting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbohydrate_counting)
320 Gr. (wheat-)bread per day/prayer
from
224 Gr. (wheat-)flour per day/prayer
+ bread maker https://www.computerbild.de/test-vergleich/brotbackautomat-test/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=dsa&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI15v20pbM8gIVQtTtCh276wruEAAYAyAAEgLzUPD_BwE (https://www.computerbild.de/test-vergleich/brotbackautomat-test/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=dsa&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI15v20pbM8gIVQtTtCh276wruEAAYAyAAEgLzUPD_BwE)
https://www.aldi-nord.de/sortiment/nahrungsmittel/backzutaten/mehl-zucker/qualitaets-weizenmehl-0510-0-0.article.html (https://www.aldi-nord.de/sortiment/nahrungsmittel/backzutaten/mehl-zucker/qualitaets-weizenmehl-0510-0-0.article.html)
https://lojaonline.minipreco.pt/produtos/mercearia-salgada/farinhas-e-fermentos/farinha-de-trigo/p/505 (https://lojaonline.minipreco.pt/produtos/mercearia-salgada/farinhas-e-fermentos/farinha-de-trigo/p/505)
45 Euro-cents/Kg wheat-flour
224 Gr./1000 Gr. x 0,45 Euro = 10 Euro-cents per day (included cash-discount )
for wheat-flour bread
anno 2021 p. C. n.
" give us daily our necessary 10 Cents " ( Euro or US-$)
only more : 100 sqm/capita/annum by given 224 Gr. per day wheat-flour consume
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.agrarheute.com/land-leben/neuer-weltrekord-ueber-17-tonnen-weizen-pro-hektar-570916 (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.agrarheute.com/land-leben/neuer-weltrekord-ueber-17-tonnen-weizen-pro-hektar-570916)
17 000 Kg wheat-corn per hectar(ha) or 10 000 sqm = 170 Kg/100 sqm
1 Kg wheat-corn = ? Kg wheat-flour
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.mein-mehl.de/mehlblog/nachricht/wie-viele-weizenkoerner-stecken-eigentlich-in-einem-kilo-brot/%23:~:text%3DDas%2520hei%25C3%259Ft%2520also%253A%2520Aus%2520100,Weizen%2520entsprechend%2520790%2520Gramm%2520Mehl.
1 Kg corn = 0,79 Kg flour
With A.I.-farming and telemetry everywhere possible,included artificial watering !
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.badenova.de/blog/tipps-fuer-selbstversorger-teil-2/ (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.badenova.de/blog/tipps-fuer-selbstversorger-teil-2/)
If you want to supply yourself 100% with fruit and vegetables, then you should have an area of 160 m² per person (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&ajax=1&elem=1&se=1&u=https://bewusst-vegan-froh.de/grosse-ernte-auf-kleinem-raum-inspirierende-ideen-fuer-vertikale-gaerten/) available.
Most of the space is required by fruit, as trees become very large and you have to keep a lot of plants of strawberries, for example, in order to get a sufficient harvest.
Fruit takes up around 100 m² of the garden, the rest is left for the vegetables.
You can also reduce the space required a little, for example by creating a part of it as a vertical garden (https://translate.google.com/website?sl=auto&tl=en&ajax=1&elem=1&se=1&u=https://bewusst-vegan-froh.de/grosse-ernte-auf-kleinem-raum-inspirierende-ideen-fuer-vertikale-gaerten/) .
If you only want to be partially self-sufficient, a smaller area is sufficient:
Space required for self-sufficiency
Partly self-sufficiency: 25 m² cultivation area per person
Extensive self-sufficiency: 70 m² per person
Complete self-sufficiency: at least 160 m² per person
Check out the freeenergy articles on www.homemade-circles.com triffids.
Sorry www.homemade-circuits.com
Quote from: triffid on March 19, 2022, 11:13:11 PM
Sorry www.homemade-circuits.com (http://www.homemade-circuits.com)
High and hello,
#4434 and 2 years after : You are well,fine ! And big_m_in_ok ?
Funny Sunday wishing ( cristian calendarium view point )
OCWL
https://www-handelsblatt-com.translate.goog/politik/international/energieversorgung-was-putins-rubel-entscheidung-beim-gas-bedeutet/28197448.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://www-handelsblatt-com.translate.goog/politik/international/energieversorgung-was-putins-rubel-entscheidung-beim-gas-bedeutet/28197448.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Sanktionen gegenueber Handelspartner sind als einseitiger Vertragsbruch straf-/zivil-rechtlich zu bewerten !
Sind Teil des "kalten Krieges",hier Bereich Handel/Wirtschaft !
Ohne offizielle Kriegserklaerung somit die E.U.-Einzelstaaten bei Sanktionen ,egal gegen welchen Staat global,strafrechtlich einseitige Vertragsbrecher !
Die N.A.T.O. als Interessenorganisation besitzt voelkerrechtlich kein Mandat und somit keine Rechtskraft ! Unwirksames Bestimmen !
International hat nur die U.N.O. als voelkerrechtliches Subjekt Sanktionierungs-Hoheit gegenueber U.N.-Mitglieder !Darueber, gerechte Un-/Rechtsmasznahme, entscheiden dann die U.N.-Gerichtshoefe !
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6here_Gewalt (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6here_Gewalt)
Freie Gegenwehr-Gestaltung des geschaedigten (ehemaligen) Vertrags-/Handels-/Wirtschaftspartners !
Unlimitiert im Umfang !
Schadensersatz und Wiedergutmachungs-Entschaedigung,Faktor 100 nach biblischer Gerichtbarkeit (so wahr denen Gott helfe !)
Saekular-Sozial-/Wirtschafts-Gesellschaft-Staatsordnungen koennen > 100 als Schadens-Aufgeld-Faktor um Entschaedigung einklagen !
https://www.google.com/search?q=monsanto+schadenshoehe+begruendung+rechtssystem&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=APq-WBuLrGeT2h9R3nBgEH6XC7oEvBv74w%3A1648167780021&ei=ZAs9Yud6ja2SBZTDiYAN&ved=0ahUKEwjnvLu4_9_2AhWNlqQKHZRhAtAQ4dUDCA0&oq=monsanto+schadenshoehe+begruendung+rechtssystem&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAxKBAhBGAFKBAhGGABQ2QlYhjNgkEZoAXAAeAKAAQCIAQCSAQCYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz (https://www.google.com/search?q=monsanto+schadenshoehe+begruendung+rechtssystem&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=APq-WBuLrGeT2h9R3nBgEH6XC7oEvBv74w%3A1648167780021&ei=ZAs9Yud6ja2SBZTDiYAN&ved=0ahUKEwjnvLu4_9_2AhWNlqQKHZRhAtAQ4dUDCA0&oq=monsanto+schadenshoehe+begruendung+rechtssystem&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAxKBAhBGAFKBAhGGABQ2QlYhjNgkEZoAXAAeAKAAQCIAQCSAQCYAQCgAQHAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz)
Bei Versicherungswertschaetzung eines US-Mensch-Leben in Hoehe von 2 Mio. US$ wird als Strafmasz
fuer versuchten/veruebten Wuerde-Mord = VERGEWALTIGUNG,VORSAETZLICHEM BETRUG,LEIBEIGENSCHAFT/VERSKLAVUNG,NOETIGUNG
seitens Monsanto durch Fehl-/Falsch-Information das 100-fache an Schadensersatz ersichtlich !
Pro Schadensfall !Sammelklagen ! Prozesskostenfonds !
https://sifaboard.de/thread/369-die-amerikaner-und-ihre-proze%C3%9Fklagen/ (https://sifaboard.de/thread/369-die-amerikaner-und-ihre-proze%C3%9Fklagen/)
Bestes "Kino" ::) in Realtime und immer (mal ) was zu lachen ! :D ;) ;D
"Auf Gewinn "-Staats-/Privat-wirtschaftliche Kartelle-/Syndikate-Abschaffung !Rueckwirkend !
30+3 Jahre Verjaehrungs-Zeitfrist fuer organisierten Betrug !2022 p.C.n. - 33 Jahre = 1989 p.C.n. Vertrags-Abschlusz-Datum Prioritaet ! Rueckabwicklung !
Verfassungsbrechende Angreifer,Staate/-en -
Gerchtspersonal(Richter/Magistrat/Rechtsanwaelte: Absprachen ausserhalb des GERICHTSHOFES -
STAATS-/PRIVAT-WIRTSCHAFTLICHE Unternehmen (Telekommunikation,Energiebranche,Metall-Erzeugung/-Bau,CHEMIE/PHARMAZIE/MEDIZIN
- organisierte Unternehmungen ( N.A.T.O.,G.U.S.,OECD,B-I.Z.-IWF-......,G20 ,-Kirche/Religionsgemeinschaften,Medienverlage,TV/Radio/Kino )
Werbebranche,digitale Technologie-Informationsserver,Sport-/Kultur-Ausrichter
- Privatpersonen mit gewissen (egozentrischen )Interessen,
Schlechte Ware,schlechter Service - entgegen der Gebuehr/Abgabe/Steuer.Hoehe,allgemeine = globale Wertmaszstab :
Verursacher-Aburteilung,Verarmung ! Beschlagnahme aller physischer materieller Materialien/Werte !
Kriminelle : rechtliche Ehe-/Lebenspartner unterliegen Bindungs-Vertrag-Kuendigungs-Pflicht = Trennung !
Aberkennung der Buerger-/Wahlrechtes !
Kinder < 18 Jahren erhalten das Tutorium ueber deren biologischen Erzeugern,Gross-/Eltern !
in die Stein(-Hoehlen-)zeit zurueckwerfen,
Pol-Pott-Oekonomie !
Absolute (physische Existenz-)Minimum,bedingungslos !
Kein Geldeinkommen,Lebensmittel-Karten-Wirtschaft ~ "Tafel"-Pakete,Broteinheiten bei Nahrung !
Alle kommerziellen Rechte werden aberkannt,der Staat 100% deindustrialisiert ! Kein Zins(es-Zins)-System,Barwirtschaft !
COVID als NATURCHANCE sehen,Long Covid = verordneten (Konsum-)Askese-Beginn !
Zeit der Entdeckung eigener Talente,DIY-Potential,Autonomie,Autarkie !
CORONA-Schoepfung der NANO-NATUR-Intelligenz ,frei Haus,auch ueber Lichtquelle,Telekommunikation und screensaver !
http://www.rexresearch.com/crosse/crosse.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/crosse/crosse.htm)
http://www.rexresearch.com/adept/aa10eso.htm
DELTA-"Vogel" 1987 8) , "Herrlich ! ;D HALLO,ANDROMEDA- best case ! Befreiungs-Teleologie !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMbSpnlOOtE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMbSpnlOOtE)
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article237808785/Ukraine-Krieg-Bundesregierung-prueft-offenbar-Errichtung-eines-Raketenschutzschildes.html (https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article237808785/Ukraine-Krieg-Bundesregierung-prueft-offenbar-Errichtung-eines-Raketenschutzschildes.html)
https://www-welt-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/article237808785/Ukraine-Krieg-Bundesregierung-prueft-offenbar-Errichtung-eines-Raketenschutzschildes.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp (https://www-welt-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/article237808785/Ukraine-Krieg-Bundesregierung-prueft-offenbar-Errichtung-eines-Raketenschutzschildes.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp)
Rockets-Protection !?
Schutz/Protection against vor Killersatelliten/ killer satellites ,Killer-Drones / killer drones ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=DD&NR=272727A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19891018&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=DD&NR=272727A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19891018&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)
1 MW/cm²
Happy Future in front of Us
OCWL
p.s.: https://overunity.com/1895/evolution/
Evolution (https://overunity.com/1895/evolution/msg21955/#msg21955) « on: January 15, 2007, 02:02:41 AM »
https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression/new-deal
social "solidarity" ( humanity ) idea re-Union ?
https://www-dw-com.translate.goog/de/erstmals-gewerkschaft-bei-amazon-in-den-usa/a-61337532?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
In workers fair trade ghost they trust ::)
adeus
OCWL