I got a nutty idea folks that I demand you take entirely seriously. Ok. So we know we can create an electrical flow from a shifting/pulsing magnetic field. We also know that the earth's magnetic field is not shifting but constant. How do we generate electricity from this? We clearly can't make it shift but maybe we can pulse it to a collector. How do we do this? We have to create a magnetic blocker and turn it on and off at some frequency to allow the current in the collector to move and be picked up. This magnetic blocker has to have a lower electrical cost than the electricity collected. What can be used to block the magnetism for a period? Can plasma block a magnetic field or perhaps another magnetic field from the coils around the collector? Can the coils around the collector not only block the earth's magnetic field at a given frequency but also channel that energy as well somehow...perhaps during the de-energized phase of the cycle.
So my theory in essence is block the earth's magnetic field....unblock the earth's magnetic field creating a pulse and collect this electricity...block the earth's magnetic field....unblock and collect, etc. etc. I suppose the higher the frequency for this the more electricity can be collected. Also if you can use the energy during the blocking phase as well then that would be great too.
Let me know what you guys are thinking about this. If it sounds possible but you have the urge to knock it don't. I could care less who takes the credit if it works. Hell I'll probably forget I posted this.
Also, it seems that great resonance would benefit this process to such as the techniques used at witricity.com.
Quote from: leeroyjenkinsii on September 03, 2009, 07:25:24 AM
I got a nutty idea folks that I demand you take entirely seriously. Ok. So we know we can create an electrical flow from a shifting/pulsing magnetic field. We also know that the earth's magnetic field is not shifting but constant. How do we generate electricity from this? We clearly can't make it shift but maybe we can pulse it to a collector. How do we do this? We have to create a magnetic blocker and turn it on and off at some frequency to allow the current in the collector to move and be picked up. This magnetic blocker has to have a lower electrical cost than the electricity collected. What can be used to block the magnetism for a period? Can plasma block a magnetic field or perhaps another magnetic field from the coils around the collector? Can the coils around the collector not only block the earth's magnetic field at a given frequency but also channel that energy as well somehow...perhaps during the de-energized phase of the cycle.
So my theory in essence is block the earth's magnetic field....unblock the earth's magnetic field creating a pulse and collect this electricity...block the earth's magnetic field....unblock and collect, etc. etc. I suppose the higher the frequency for this the more electricity can be collected. Also if you can use the energy during the blocking phase as well then that would be great too.
Let me know what you guys are thinking about this. If it sounds possible but you have the urge to knock it don't. I could care less who takes the credit if it works. Hell I'll probably forget I posted this.
Also, it seems that great resonance would benefit this process to such as the techniques used at witricity.com.
hi leeroy good day
Actually we have the same question, but i have a suspect that they uses some kind of yin and yang technique to control the strong energy of the earth's magnetic field by squeezing or making concentrate in the middle into a very high speed to generate or make a flow of electricity. 8)
regards
otits
Hey thanks for the reply. Please keep replying as I felt kinda lonely on this one. I have a modification on the direction of this now. According to the link below the earth's magnetic field is not very strong. Also according to the second link below there is no material that can "block" a magnetic field. However, it can be redirected.
Given this info and some of the videos I've watch with SM placing magnets in his devices I am wonder if he's using the constant magnetic field from the magnets, redirecting the magnetic field off of conductive coils and then removing the redirection. If this were done at a high enough frequency and if the cost of the redirection were less than the electricity produced in the windings (coils) then it appears you could have an electrical gain. I wonder if creating an electromagnetic field around the conductive coils would repel, redirect (essentially keep the permanent magnetic force off of the coils) then releasing it allowing the magnetic force back on the coils to produce electricity would work.
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-strong-is-the-earths-magnetic-field.htm
http://www.physlink.com/education/AskExperts/ae512.cfm
Quote from: leeroyjenkinsii on September 03, 2009, 07:25:24 AM
We also know that the earth's magnetic field is not shifting but constant. How do we generate electricity from this?
Hi leeroyjenkinsii,
The earths mag field is shifting. Schumann resonance causes an oscillation (7 ... 8 Hz) with amplitude of approx 1 picoTesla. Granted, this is miniscule (40 million times smaller) when compared to the steady state earth mag field of approx 40 microTesla.
SM states in the FTPU vid that the device is felt to vibrate slightly at 7.3Hz, if he wasn´t bullshiting then it may be coupling to schumman.
It is conceivable that the device operates as a unidirectional active antenna pointing skyward. perhaps it establishes a very large virtual antenna volume in the atmosphere above which encompasses billions of cubic metres (trillions of litres). If even a 1picotesla oscillation could be harvested and rectified from such a large volume then it could provide appreciable power.
Observing known physical behaviours we can see this happen already in the case of atoms. They are tiny when compared to the wavelength of light yet somehow they are able to absorb and be excited by radiation at light frequencies and below. It is because the atoms generate a dipole that reaches out far beyond the outer physical atom boundary (electron shell) this virtual dipole is able to efficiently absorb wavelengths of relatively large sizes. Physics books don´t cover this, but they do state the physical size of atoms and the physical size of EM waves that they are able to absorb, but they are lacking when it comes to explaining how an atom actually absorbs this relatively large wave signal.
The TPU is probably an active antenna, some power is used to establish this large receiving volume above it but more power is received through it as it couples on a large scale to this miniscule (schumman) oscillation.
If this is the case a TPU may only ever be an exclusive device, if two TPUs were operating under the same patch of sky then perhaps they would have to share the available power. But then maybe the resonating cavity (ground to ionosphere) might be replenished readily (from solar particle interaction) whenever power is drawn from it.
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your idea of blocking and unblocking would work too, but the earths field is only 40microtesla and if we assume a TPU to be say 500ml in volume then that comes out at small power. It would be more powerful if you could put a monster neo mag above the device and somehow block and unblock the steady field emenating from that. Of course if you could work out how to do that then you could also build mag motors too.
That's funny. Your suggestion in the edit portion was the exact conclusion I came too. So you think it would be pretty difficult to block or redirect the magnetic field? Maybe the redirection idea is where to start.
dont block it, let the pulse moving through the wire deplete the field then the earths field will reclaim the space the pulse moved through.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8003.msg199963#new
but i could be wrong, or maybe not ;)
I'm not sure about your scenario. I'm specifically talking about redirecting or blocking the magnetic field of the permanent magnet away from a collector\coil\part of a transformer then unblocking\unredirecting so it essential will pusle to the coil\collector\transformer. Basically it would be like a the receiver portion of a transformer but using a permanent magnet that can be turned on and off--not shifting polarity. This should still work but I don't know if you can easily redirect/block the permanent magnet.
Anyone know if this is possible or how hard it would be(how great the electrical cost would be)?
Ok. According to the Wikipedia article below a Hemholtz coil can be used to cancel out a static magnetic field. I don't know about you guys but looking at SM's TPUs he could have very well been using these to create the pulsing affect by essentially making a permanent magnet into a pulsing dc electrical generator. He did mention it was working at 6000hz. Maybe he was blocking the permanent magnetic field with Hemholtz coils at 6000hz creating pulsed dc in the primary collector coil. What do you guys think?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_shielding
you can play around with this...
http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/SquareHelmholtzCoils/
I'm probably way off base with these ideas. I really lack the technical skill to attempt to set it up anyway. Let me know if anyone has the materials and can try this. Also, let me know if it would just take too much power to block the permanent magnetic field using hemholtz coils. Maybe part of it could be blocked with permanent shielding. I don't know. Possibly just a bad idea all around.
Seems to me if you just rotated a coil fast enough it would generate some voltage just using the earths magnetic field. Of course it would only be a very small voltage. But then again, if you used a lot of turns in your coil it would generate a higher voltage. ;D
suggest this reading:
http://www.geocities.com/terella1/
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first thing that came to mind was a compass
maybe if you built a really strong one you could use energy from it wanting to go north
but actually in space you can let out a wire and just going through outer space induces electricity in the wire
NASA did it and the wire got so hot it broke the wire and it went sailing off into space
I think the electricity was generated form earths magnetic field
hope it helps
Quote from: mr_bojangles on September 10, 2009, 11:10:47 PM
first thing that came to mind was a compass
maybe if you built a really strong one you could use energy from it wanting to go north
but actually in space you can let out a wire and just going through outer space induces electricity in the wire
NASA did it and the wire got so hot it broke the wire and it went sailing off into space
I think the electricity was generated form earths magnetic field
hope it helps
I believe Nasa's Tether broke due to a high current being induced in the 12 miles of cable that was dragged through the earth's magnetic field. A higher than expected current was produced in the cable similar to how a homopolar generator produces a high current, which they did not take into account when figuring how much voltage and current would be produced in the cable, thus it burned up and broke.
The Earth moves relative to the magnetosphere. The magnetosphere field is produced by magnetohydrodynamics. The plasma currents inside the Earth are complicated because of convective currents due to different core temps as well as what I believe are the primordial plasma currents that formed the Earth as the Sun contracted. The Earth's surface moves relative to the dynamo field and generates voltage between the poles. The magnetic field density increases at the poles but this is where the relative motion across this magnetic flux is least. Therefore the entire planet becomes a dynamic emfield which has been quite stable for a long time. I believe ancient civilizations have identified hot spots or geomagnetic lines of force that are in a constant state of flux change due to the internal magnetohydrodynamics. Unfortunately these hot spots migrate but I betya there are still many of them around. I believe harp is trying to produce a continual conductor of ionized gas that will "move" through the condensed magnetic field at the polar cap. This will get some manmade aurora deal going on and continual current from one end of the plasma field produced by Harp to points outside of the magnetosphere. No idea as to what is going to come down that wire.
Sparks , You seem to know alot .
I would love pictures or videos of the experiments you have made .
sparks
Do you think that Earth magnetic field is stationary or rotates exactly with Earth rotation speed ?
Quote from: forest on September 13, 2009, 06:18:25 PM
sparks
Do you think that Earth magnetic field is stationary or rotates exactly with Earth rotation speed ?
http://www.psc.edu/science/Glatzmaier/field_big.gif (http://www.psc.edu/science/Glatzmaier/field_big.gif)
@Forest
I think that the magnetic field or near ambient magnetic field of the Earth is the product of lots of events but in general the crust of the Earth moves at a relative velocity to the magnetic field produced by the core events or hot plasma currents of the core. These plasma currents are just like dc currents and take on mostly a ring current. They also can be bidirectional with a shear zone at the equator. This all happens in the mantle of the Earth. This generates the torroidal magnetic field we call the magnetosphere. Most of the surface of the Earth spins within the core of the torroid so that the magnetic field flux is pretty evenly distributed except for those regions that pass over plasma currents not involved with the one that generates the magnetosphere. So the magnetic flux density within the torroid is pretty much homogenous.
We move relative to it but because of it's nonvarying intensity and the slow relative velocity (1000mph) there isn't alot of voltage induced.
Not a problem though. If you have a wire moving through a static magnetic field and one end of the wire is moving faster than the other end then there is induction. The axle of a homopolar generator is barely moving through a constant magnetic field while the circumference is moving quite quickly through the same field. A voltage arises between the axle and the circumference.