Imagine painting the deserts black and converting all the solar energy that is currently reflected by them into infrared energy the byproduct of man's current activites. Isn't that pretty much what greenhouse gases do. Wouldn't it be better to convert the infrared energy we already have round here into visible light that we can laser round to lightup whatever we need to. Including some big old grow lamps for nightime crop growth.
Sparks:
You have an even bigger problem: What about when all of the free energy devices come on-line and start producing energy for domestic use? All of this free energy power becomes heat energy as it is used up, and it's extra heat that the planet was not expecting.
MileHigh
@ Sparks
I agree with what you say about collecting infrared energy, it's abundant everywhere as wasted heat!
The only thing I seen recently that would do this is the "Solar Nantenna Electromagnetic Collectors" at http://www.inl.gov/pdfs/nantenna.pdf.
Unfortunately it's not ready for prime time yet, still a few tech hurdles to clear.
If it ever hits the market though it would be the biggest boon to solar collectors because of their efficiency.
Regards,
Paul
Water molecules appear to be excellent infrared emwave receptors. I did this experiment with a cb radio and a flurescent bulb. I couldnt get the bulb to light unless I touched it. The wire from the cb was running along side the bulb. Being basically a bag of water I decided to place a cup of water next to the bulb with no go. Then I put a jumper between the end of the antennae and dropped it into the glass of water. No go. Then I got rid of the jumper with the steel clip on the end and put the copper antennae wire directly onto the surface of the water. Bulb lights every time I key the mike. And the radio transmits like there is no tomorrow. Radiation off the end of the wire seems to be absorbed variably by the water molecules. This imposes a higher frequency vibration along the entire length of the antennae. Which was able to excite the bulb.
@ Sparks
Interesting results you have there, if as you say "the water molecules appear to be excellent infrared emwave receptors" then maybe there is no use for the "Nantenna Electromagnetic Collectors" and bypass the all the nantenna process and tune into the water resonant frequencies of the infrared band which is prevalent everywhere around us.
Regards,
Paul
Quote from: MileHigh on September 06, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
Sparks:
You have an even bigger problem: What about when all of the free energy devices come on-line and start producing energy for domestic use? All of this free energy power becomes heat energy as it is used up, and it's extra heat that the planet was not expecting.
MileHigh
I think your topic header is a little deceiving.
simply running your automobile contributes to global warming, farting contributes to global warming, having intercourse contributes to global warming, cooking of any kind contributes to global warming, raising children contributes to global warming, raising cattle contributes to global warming, simply breathing contributes to global warming.
where are we going with this?
not to mention Volcanism of any kind.
anytime you even blink your contributing to global warming.
we might as well all cut our own throats and be done with it, wait, that in it self contributes to global warming sorry.
Jerry ;D
Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on September 06, 2009, 09:05:14 PM
I think your topic header is a little deceiving.
simply running your automobile contributes to global warming, farting contributes to global warming, having intercourse contributes to global warming, cooking of any kind contributes to global warming, raising children contributes to global warming, raising cattle contributes to global warming, simply breathing contributes to global warming.
where are we going with this?
not to mention Volcanism of any kind.
anytime you even blink your contributing to global warming.
we might as well all cut our own throats and be done with it, wait, that in it self contributes to global warming sorry.
Jerry ;D
@ onthecuttingedge2005
Without any disrespect regarding the "I think your topic header is a little deceiving" statement, I think Sparks title is not deceiving as Infrared collection for power purposes is a valid idea as it's just another form of ambient waves that can be collected to generate power, and if you read the pdf document I posted earlier it has been proven possible by the Idaho National Laboratory in 2008.
Infrared is everywhere as wasted heat, maybe it's not Sparks' vision of turning IF into visible light and reflection but it's still a viable idea. It's wasted energy that can be captured, whether it's from the sun or man made, please read the pdf document.
Regards,
Paul
Quote from: Goat on September 06, 2009, 09:27:52 PM
@ onthecuttingedge2005
Without any disrespect regarding the "I think your topic header is a little deceiving" statement, I think Sparks title is not deceiving as Infrared collection for power purposes is a valid idea as it's just another form of ambient waves that can be collected to generate power, and if you read the pdf document I posted earlier it has been proven possible by the Idaho National Laboratory in 2008.
Infrared is everywhere as wasted heat, maybe it's not Sparks' vision of turning IF into visible light and reflection but it's still a viable idea. It's wasted energy that can be captured, whether it's from the sun or man made, please read the pdf document.
Regards,
Paul
no, this is what the header says;
Re: Solar Collectors biggest contributor to Global Warming There Is
I am not against solar infrared, if fact I indulge in it as the next level.
the header is not optimistic, it is pessimistic.
the way the header is expressed seems to say we need to stop solar collecting period because it contributes to global warming.
that's the way I am calling it.
Jerry
Actually I take Sparks "Solar Collectors biggest contributor to Global Warming There Is" as an intelligent choice for IF collection as the deserts are probably one of the biggest collector and reflector of IF there is to tap into. Having said that, I think that if we had the IF collector "Nantenna's" that are out there were available in a ready made infrared solar and ambient collector tech available at Walmart we would reduce our dependence on oil for electricity which would in itself reduce wasted heat.
Regards,
Paul
Quote from: Goat on September 06, 2009, 09:45:36 PM
Actually I take Sparks "Solar Collectors biggest contributor to Global Warming There Is" as an intelligent choice for IF collection as the deserts are probably one of the biggest collector and reflector of IF there is to tap into. Having said that, I think that if we had the IF collector "Nantenna's" that are out there were available in a ready made infrared solar and ambient collector tech available at Walmart we would reduce our dependence on oil for electricity which would in itself reduce wasted heat.
Regards,
Paul
Wow!, did you just glaze over what I just said, I said I support solar infrared technology.
the header of this topic says the opposite! lets hear it from the original poster, what did your header actually mean?
the header of the original topic says he doesn't support infrared solar collecting because in contribrutes to global warming which is supposed to be a bad thing.
Jerry :)
Sorry CE, I didn't see your second response in time before I posted. I still think Sparks thread name is appropriate though as the deserts are a waste of solar energy collection, whether they are contributing to global warming goes I'm not scientifically educated to make a response to that question although I'm suspicious about all the wasted heat going back into the atmosphere and being absorbed by C02.
Regards,
Paul
<wimpers> I am sorry guys, I give up on this thread.
Jerry ;)
Why wimper and go away, what is your take on infrared frequency collection to power tech that maybe able to produce power other than the title of this thread?
Hi Goat.
what does the title or header of this topic say to you?
to me it says it is the worst contribute of global warming. do you support global warming or not.
the original poster didn't even offer researched evidence.
when chicken little says the sky is falling do you think its global or on a personified level?
Jerry :)
Ok fair enough, let's let it be as is and see what Sparks and others say on the subject.
From Wikipedia:
The petawatt is equal to one quadrillion watts and can be produced by the current generation of lasers for time-scales of the order of femtoseconds (10-15 s). Based on the average of 1.366 kW/m2 of total solar irradiance[4] the total energy flow of sunlight striking Earth's atmosphere is estimated at 174 PW. (1.74 x 10^17 Watts)
A link: "Total solar power received by Earth and The calculation of the average temperature of the Earth"
https://files.oakland.edu/users/leidel/web/ENV312/Final%20Exam%20Problem%20Review%20Question.pdf
Natural solar collectors are doing a pretty good job of converting sunlight into heat. Why should we put dwindling rescources into a process that the Earth is already pretty good at doing. Thousands of square miles of manmade solar energy collectors will just increase problems. The conversion of ocean thermal energy to electrical energy would seem to make more sense. Instead of using thousands of square miles of land area for solar collection the same area could be used for crop growth. This would help mitigate the co2 problem. When the crops die put the shit back in the ground where it belongs to lock up the carbon and chemical energy we have brought to the surface over the last 200years. Maybe I'm wrong but have we thought solar collection through.
I think harnessing Solar power will decrease the warming up. We substract! heat out of the system.
1. .To convert it into energy, its cooled down. So there is heat being absorbed. The better the panel, the more heat gets converted into energy.
2. Also a solarcolector is shiny, meaning it reflects rays (heat) away back up also.
3. Under a solarpanel there is shadow, so direct ground heating is minimized.
(Maybe you can even grow plants under the panels, in the shadow. Use the water u collect from the condens on the panels at night)
But i do agree it would spoil the landscape!