Why are there so many anti Dr. Eugene Jeong people? This is odd because he graduated from a University and has written some science papers that so far have held up to scrutiny.
Conventional science community still goes on witch hunts burning scientists at the stake. Dr. Eugene Jeong's science paper was presented at WikiPedia, and was immediately deleted even though they cannot find any mathematical error. That's not being open-minded or intelligent. It's just out right weird.
Dr. Eugene's video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-jWfzkz_E
Dr. Eugene's blog site:
http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.com
Regards,
Paul
Was not sure where to post this thread. Should there be a Dr. Eugene Jeong section?
Perhaps they are attacking him because he has a theory of his own where as the attackers have none and just regurgitate Tesla's papers or SM!
Although I'm not an expert on the matter and know little of Dr Eugene Jeong, I think we are making many assumptions as to why his papers might not be taken seriously inside the scientific community.
- Do we actually know if any of his work has been peer reviewed and what were the results?
- Has it even been submitted for peer review?
There is a standing bias on these boards that just because the scientific community is dismissing someone's work, it's because they don't have any better ideas. Maybe it's because there are serious flaws.
I watched his video, and read some of his writings at his website. It's all very conceptually interesting. I hope Dr. Jeong will join us here to take part in real life testing and vetting of his concepts.
I just spent some more time reading Dr. Jeong's proposals for building a functioning overunity electrical generator.
By my back of napkin calculations, this device isn't rocket science to build and should cost less than a couple hundred $$'s for any resourceful tinkerer.
The million $$ question is, why is Dr. Jeong spending so much time writing about it as opposed to building it?
Getting the correct materials is the quest. I have a simple $2 piezo element from radio shack that's inside a Hammond metal *shield* that produces enough energy to light a red LED for ~ one second every 8 hours by tilting a tilt switch. That may not sound like much, but according to conventional physics that should not be happening. A EE, by profession, has also done some great piezo experiments inside shielding, which has produced over 3 volts. I've tried to find any correlation between this piezo voltage such as local atmospheric pressure, Sun activity, humidity, gamma radiation levels, temperature, etc., and cannot find any.
The point is that IMO Dr. Eugene Jeong's math predicts the above piezo & diode effect. The quest now is finding materials that has the same or higher built in remanent polarization, but less resistivity. This spells "Electrets!" There's rumors that John Hutchison is now selling his new crystal batteries that are Electrets.
Regards,
Paul
PaulLowrance said:
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... This spells "Electrets!" There's rumors that John Hutchison is now selling his new crystal batteries that are Electrets.
Regards,
Paul
I watched the whole video of Eugene's presentation, with calculus.
The Electret effect crossed my mind at once then when the voltage, unless grounded or had a MOV effectively across the rails, would rise nonstop until the unit was destroyed.
If that's the case, the point is taken.
Moray's devices functioned approximately the same way. Incoming energy was stopped at a point and then allowed to be tapped off.
--Lee
Quote from: PaulLowrance on September 22, 2009, 09:57:07 PM
Getting the correct materials is the quest. I have a simple $2 piezo element from radio shack that's inside a Hammond metal *shield* that produces enough energy to light a red LED for ~ one second every 8 hours by tilting a tilt switch. That may not sound like much, but according to conventional physics that should not be happening. A EE, by profession, has also done some great piezo experiments inside shielding, which has produced over 3 volts. I've tried to find any correlation between this piezo voltage such as local atmospheric pressure, Sun activity, humidity, gamma radiation levels, temperature, etc., and cannot find any.
The point is that IMO Dr. Eugene Jeong's math predicts the above piezo & diode effect. The quest now is finding materials that has the same or higher built in remanent polarization, but less resistivity. This spells "Electrets!" There's rumors that John Hutchison is now selling his new crystal batteries that are Electrets.
Regards,
Paul
Sounds like a neat and inexpensive toy...This is the petra-battery effect.
Crystals are sometimes used to detect subatomic particles. There used
to be a section on Keelynet that covered this in detail, just the evidence
on petra batteries...but now I see there is a lot of anti-gravity disinformation
garbage BS. (So what if some people in outer Mongolia historically used
this to launch rocks.)
The key sentence in the previous information as I remember it:
"Scientists determined that there was a diurnal variation in the
output of these cells but where unable to determine the subatomic
particle causing the voltage variations". Translation - Depending on
the earths annual motion in orbit around the sun, the earth would
face different positions in the sky and different comic ray sources and
experience different secondary ray fluxes. So you might detect
difference of time to next firing of your device on an annual time frame.
By the way annual variations in the output of overuntiy power sources
can allow one to trace these back to the same energy source.
Hint try : muon's - mu mesons from cosmic rays...these can
also be used initiate aneutronic fussions in hydrogen gas and
won't be stopped by metal containers. ;)
:S:MarkSCoffman
Hi,
I didn't see anything about petra-battery effect, not even at wikipedia.
What I'm seeing is not a spontaneous burst of energy. What I'm doing is allowing the highly shielded piezo about a half day to recover, then I gently tilt the entire setup (it's small), which causes the small tilt switch to close, which allows the stored energy in the piezo to discharge through the LED. Then in ~ half day it will do it again. You can repeat this indefinitely.
If the piezo is not highly shielded against vibrations and such, then this experiment can be difficult because the piezo will be fluctuating all over the place.
So what I do is place the piezo element (radio shack part # 273-073) and a tilt switch inside a Hammond diecast Aluminum chassis, and place that inside a quiet room void of appreciable vibrations. That makes the experiment predictable and easy to do.
So far I have not seen any correlations between the piezo output and anything else ranging from Solar activity to local atmospheric pressure.
It's a fun experiment, total part cost is ~ $10, anyone can do to see "free energy" that conventional science has no explanation for. See my homepage for details -->
http://globalfreeenergy.info
Regards,
Paul
QuoteHint try : muon's - mu mesons from cosmic rays...these can
also be used initiate aneutronic fussions in hydrogen gas and
won't be stopped by metal containers.
That's true, but how often would they hit a tiny piezo element. I don't think my Geiger counter would rarely react to a meson particle. The meson travels through about 30 meters of Earth. There are a lot of frequent alpha particles on Earth, but they are stopped by even thin paper. According to my background radiation Geiger counter, there are hardly any beta particles, but they are stopped by thin metal foil.
Paul
Quote from: PaulLowrance on September 23, 2009, 01:28:44 PM
That's true, but how often would they hit a tiny piezo element. I don't think my Geiger counter would rarely react to a meson particle. The meson travels through about 30 meters of Earth. There are a lot of frequent alpha particles on Earth, but they are stopped by even thin paper. According to my background radiation Geiger counter, there are hardly any beta particles, but they are stopped by thin metal foil.
Paul
Oh sorry...I thought the piezo element tilted the switch itself. It sort of
reminds me of the 100 year old+ device that has uncharged hv batteries
that rings a metalic bell every so often.
Beta particles which are electrons, the radiation stopped by a sheet
of paper. Gamma Rays are EMF. Alpha particles, which are helium nuclei,
can be powerful if they are moving very fast...they are the primary cosmic
rays. What we see on earth is the secondary shower of particles that
happen when these extremely powerfull alpha particles hit atoms in the
atmosphere, producing the muon's and all sorts of secondary effects.
The muons don't interact much with matter (better than neutrinos
though) and generally make it down to the earth surface. Alpha's
= 2Protons and 2Neutrons
Flux is a problem with muons. One might be able to roughly calculate it.
:S:MarkCoffman
An old experiment was done on my piezo by placing it right next to a good radioactive source. The radioactive source did not show any short or long term changes to the piezo.
It sure appears as if the DC current & voltage produced by the shielded piezo is caused by an unknown (by conventionally physics) source, unless it's neutrinos, but conventional physics says it's not due to neutrinos.
Paul
@Paul;
One Question:
Does this work if one fires the charge via a reed relay?
(with a glass encapsulated reed switch) If not, then one has
to seriously consider whether mechanical momentum from
the Ball switch is being picked up by the piezo element in
the tilt arrangement. I wouldn't buy an "excess leakage"
(in the relay switch) argument.
I'd consider building a remotely controlled version of this...
a shielded cable to a reed relay, firing into a sensitive opto
isolator connected to another shielded cable. A pulse train
from firing a low frequency driver oscillator could appear on
a dual trace o'scope.
:S:MarkSCoffman
It's not due to the tilt switch. I can tilt, untilt, tilt, untilt till I'm blue in the face and it will LED will ***NOT*** flash. The flash is due to the piezo element as it *slowly* charges while inside the shield left undisturbed.
Paul
continuing from my previous post, various types of switches have been used, including various types of micro switches that are turned on by pulling a thin string (e.g., fishing line). Reed relay is not such a good idea because of the magnetic field, and a scientist will always question in the back of his or her mind just how well the reed relay is shielded.
Your question is good, but it was addressed years ago. It is a fact that the voltage & current produced by the diodes (and piezos) is not due to the switch. There's too much data to put here. For example, the act of disturbing the diode (i.e., by applying current through the diode from an external source) can easily disturb the diode for up to a month. For that period of time, the diode will not produce current or voltage regardless of the switch.
Another example is to place a lot of low leakage capacitors across the diodes. I've used up to 47 uF, low leakage capacitors. Hell will freeze over before a simply small passive tilt switch will charge a 47 uF capacitor.
Paul
Oh, I forgot, the EE (by profession) that discovered that piezos produce current & voltage built an elaborate testing setup that used reed relays. His data graphs were published at my website where his piezo produced over 3 volts.
It's not due to the switch. IMO ~ two years of experiments has ruled out all known effects.
Paul
To add the to the above list of evidence, diodes and piezo have been tested without a switch, just connecting the diode or piezo directly to an electrometer inside metal shielding. EE's, physicists, and I have done this, and diodes & piezos produce DC current & voltage. Piezos were shielded against electromagnetic waves and physical vibrations. Years of diode testing includes a wide range of tests from oil bath tests to testing the diodes inside a cave in rural area.
The electrometer I've used is capable of detecting down to a few femto amps. One femto amp is 1E-15 amps. The highly shielded diodes have produce tens of thousands times more DC current than that, and the highly shielded piezo's have produced ~ a billion times as much current as that.
So there is no doubt that the DC current & voltage is indeed coming from the piezos and diodes. The question is, how do diodes and piezos doing it, and where is this source of energy coming from.
The best theory I have so far is that there seems to be an unknown flow of energy that *builds up* in an electric field. Within the diode there is an electric field at the junction. In the piezo there is an electric field throughout the entire material caused by electric dipoles due to a remanent polarization from the ferroelectric material, as seen in ferroelectric hysteresis curves.
Paul
Paul - Your work is fascinating. Can you take out a seperate thread apart from Dr. Jong to have focused discussion.
I'm not an EE or that technically savvy, but on the surface it sounds like you're really on to something here.
Great work! It actually looks like work of historic significance.
Quote from: spoondini on September 30, 2009, 09:20:09 AM
Paul - Your work is fascinating. Can you take out a seperate thread apart from Dr. Jong to have focused discussion.
I'm not an EE or that technically savvy, but on the surface it sounds like you're really on to something here.
Great work! It actually looks like work of historic significance.
Thanks. I didn't mean to discuss diodes & piezos alone, but only their relation to Eugene Jeong's research. His theory is interesting, but IMO it's not what we're seeing. I do not believe it's due to neutrinos.
Here's the new thread
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8115 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8115)
Regards,
Paul
@Paul
Ok...I was not questioning whether this is possible, only whether
your setup, which is very simple, and quite accessible, is showing
it...So I might build one and not be made a fool. Thank you for
your answer "yes".
I will detail some rational which we already know after this.
Now description of an experiment...I suspect your box will know
which way is UP!
a) I pretty much guarantee that this effect is due to subatomic particles as
described earlier, the piezo quartz crystal is not a rectifier, so thermal
agitation would occur as AC to the piezo which it would have no way to
store much charge even if it could rectify it. Subatomic particles however
would cause Wigner lattice displacement energy of atoms. So the DC pulse
is most likely due to a Wigner restoration “chain reactionâ€. But mesons will
have a direction vector that happens because they come from the direction
of the sky and not from the direction of the earth. So if you take two back-
to-back opto isolators and if they can detect the DC pulse and if the
orientation of the piezo is fixed relative to the box, you will probably find
that the polarity of the pulse depends to an extent on which side of the box
is UP facing the sky.
I already believe you, that this pulse is unique kind of thing. So we already
know from standard electronic design that nothing that the low power relay
will do can easily be made to affect the piezo. This is not the proof we are
looking for.
b) The other thing one can do is put the box in a freezer and see if the
lower temperature, in absolute terms, affects the average power of the DC
pulse, it should, but only if this is a thermal effect.
So I will predict a) will happen and not b).
---
Here are the things which we already know;
There are two local radioactive effects: a) the altitude and b) the presents
of radioactive radon gas. Except for the mu mesons, the effects of cosmic
rays do not generally reach sea level. Tesla discovered cosmic rays (not
officially because he was not considered a official scientist). Tesla wanted
to know what caused the ignition of fluorescent tubes, neon tubes when
excited by relatively low voltages. So by definition there has got to be some
energy associated with mu meason flux.
According to the book “The Cooling Starsâ€: cosmic rays do not image their
sources, that is; they come in from all different angles, their motion gets
twisted around by the magnetic fields in the solar system despite their high
energies, because they are charged particles, ie stripped helium nuecli. So
they don’t all come in perpendicularto the atmosphere…So they represent
sort of a signal. Finally we know that neutrino detectors are buried. In
tunnels, in mines, in arctic ice, and underwater. This is precisely so that
their small cross sectional coupling of neutrino signals can be separated
from those of muons. Which still have to be filtered out of their signal. So
what is being seen most likely is not neutrinos.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Hi Mark,
The meson theory is interesting, but it's most likely not the cause. I've already done extensive diode experiments where the diodes weave back & forth, and according to meson theory it would cancel out. Yet, such a weaving diode array has produced 1.1 volts, and was still climbing!
My present piezo test that flashes the LED ~ 1 - 2 times per day has worked on its side, and on other axis. So far I have not seen the polarity flip. Over the past week it's been on it's side. This morning & last night it flashed the LED.
You're right that piezos are not a diode per say, but piezos (and also diodes) have a polarity. The diode is self explanatory; i.e., it has a polarity. A piezo is also polarized with a permanent electric field.
Also, a radioactive source of 1500 CPM was placed snug tight against the piezo element, and it made no measurable differences to the voltage, but I don't know how much of that source was mesons. We can do more experiments geared toward your theory. My Geiger counter rod has a volume of ~ 200 million times more than my diodes. And the signal captured by the Geiger rod is amplified. A single diode has produced 0.353 volts. So I can't see a tiny diode junction producing 0.353 volts from mesons. If that's true, then who needs a big clumsy Geiger rod & amplifier when you can use a cheap $0.04 tiny diode. ;D
Again, it seems as if there is indeed an unknown energy that flows between the + and - charge.
Regards,
Paul
@Paul;
I have studied this an I am beginning to think that you are
correct. Unless some this angle stuff can be shown, it cannot
be Muons doing it. One possibility is that the manufacture has
added in some radioactive material to the barium titanate material
to "activate" it for it's duty.
In any case it is interesting and I hope to be doing some experiments
with these shortly. It's kind of a bummer to think of designing an overunity
device where one doesn't know where the energy is coming from though. ;)
Keep up the good work!
:S:MarkSCoffman
Hi Mark,
Actually, IMO the fact that conventional scientists and ~ 2 years of extensive measurements not revealing the source of this energy makes it exciting because it's most likely a new discovery. ;D
It can not be due to radioactive materials in the piezos or diodes because of the effect I've described from the beginning of the research experiments 2 years ago, that used to be called the TED effect. That is, it is extremely easy to disturb the diodes ability to produce the voltage. Even applying a few hundred *pico* amps DC on the diode (e.g., from a common voltage meter) can place the diode in the disturbed state for 2 to 3 weeks, sometimes longer. If it were due to nuclear reactions inside the material then that would not happen. The piezo's are also sensitive, but not nearly as much as diodes, which is not a surprise since piezo are larger than the semiconductor material in diodes.
It is as if there it's undiscovered energy of unique behavior that slowly builds up within the material between the intense natural electric field, and this flow of energy is easily disturbed or diffused.
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
continuing my above post, the TED effect is seen in LED's by shining some light on them. Even low levels of light for a few minutes can make the LED's take a *slow* nose dive into coming disturbed. It is actually fascinating to watch, as the effect is not instantaneous. For example, shine low level light on the LED, place it inside the shield with the electrometer, and observe how the voltage produced by the LED slowly begins to decrease, and more so over time similar to an avalanche effect.
Paul
Well this is very interresting .
I was listening to an interview with Bedini , Bearden and Dr Bob Beck ALL AT ONCE .
Bedini was about to tell something about the rectifiers but then was IMMEDIATLY interrupted by the host , I listeneed to that part a few times and it was quite troubling .
I think this interview can be found on youtube , it is an action packed interview .
I'm moving my recent posts to the more appropriate thread since I no longer think Eugene Joeng's theory is correct; i.e., IMO it's not due to neutrinos.
If you will, please reply in the following thread -->
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8115.msg203266#msg203266
PL