Have a look at some great research breakthrough
in converting ZPE into mechanical rotation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiC2IGLl90Q
Author: Prof. Dr. Claus W. Turtur University of Applied Sciences Braunschweig - Wolfenbüttel, GERMANY
Here are his scientific papers about it.
http://www.ostfalia.de/cms/de/pws/turtur/FundE/English/
Well done.
Now this only needs to be scaled up and run by charged capacitors
or big Electrets.
Regards, Stefan.
I also found this fascinating. I made a rotor from foil and was able to get rotation with a balloon, as indicated in his paper.
Thread below had quite a bit of discussion on this topic.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7723.msg189404#msg189404
Hi @all,
probably with 10KV it's easy make a elettrostatic motor :), but the COP is not > 1.
Regarding it being an electrostatic motor: Not correct. There is no electrostatic or electromagnetic electrical current flow in this device. Voltage is only the bias that allows ZPE to be utilized. This is proved by his earlier Papers where it ran the same, or even better, when in a vacuum.
Regarding it not being OU: Not necessarily always true (although Dr. Turtur's present design in the vid would appear to not be "OU").
The device is not "using" current from the supply: Only the Voltage Potential.... Meaning what ever losses that exist, are dependent on the power supply's design and efficiency. Even with a "no load" situation (as this is), it will waste some watts just operating through filter cap leakage, RC resistors, stray R, step-up transformer losses, etc.
What kinds of very simple "power supplies" do we know of that can generate several tens of K-V of long-lasting Potential with very little work needed.... But provide only milli-watts of actual power?
Since there is no actual current flow, the "watts" are not important here, only the "Volts". A Whimhurst, or even hair and a toy balloon should do it (if the atmosphere is dry enough).
Lol, or a kite and a key ;)
Hmm. Makes you wonder about other stuff: Like why certain semiconductors are so sensitive to static electricity... Could the static potential be triggering a "spike" of ZPE coming from the aether, manifesting itself as EM or ES energy and then burning the device out? Prolly not lol, but fun to think about ;)
A turning dielectric without perfect symmetry in an electrostatic fields connected to a voltage source will have an oscillating capacity and an oscillating charge - and there will be of course an oscillating current.
If we assume that there are pretty no perfect HV voltage sources - and that the response of the HV voltage source regulation circuit is not infinite fast - this regulation circuit might be responsilble for re-gauge.
Operating that thing from a charged cap would give immediate proof of concept.
If the thing turns from a state of higher capacity to a lower capacity state - it releases charge to the supply - acts as source. If it turns from lower capacity state to higher capacity state - it draws current from the supply.
If u assume that the output impedance of the supply changes with output voltage (whats for sure) - you can assume that 10kv is the threshold where the electrostatic force which keeps the thing on track against the water (the thing is frozen in its electrical minimum - but not balanced from swimming point of view) is exceeded.
So without proper current/voltage measurements _ or operation from a charged cap _ this is just another funny half-mechanical HV oscillator - powered from the negative resistance of the HV supply - which finally gets his power from mains.
(And we havent talked about the voltage supply internal losses yet)
The oscillation energy is transfered between the misbalanced wheel(potential energy) - and the charge.
If the output resistance of the voltage supply increases >=10kv - the mechnical potential energy stored is transfered into mechanical inertia. The resulting turn releases charge to the supply - means a negative current which results in a down regulating response of the HV voltage source - which adds an additional pull. If the wheel reaches the point of minimum capacity (all delta charge released) the current to the supply changes from minus to zero and the regulation circuit has to backup with a positive pulse to maintain the output voltage. If the involved time-constants fit - this pulse (which can also be seen as time interval with low output impedance) can be enough to move the wheel back to the state of maximum potential energy) - we have a perfect motor;-))
Quote from: jibbguy on September 23, 2009, 10:12:27 AM
What kinds of very simple "power supplies" do we know of that can generate several tens of K-V of long-lasting Potential with very little work needed....
A powerful electret.
If anybody still have the current email address from John Schnurer ( former teacher at Antioch college
and former owner of gravity.org site)
please send it to me.
He had designed a very good and powerful electret but I have lost his emails.
Regards, Stefan.
A sufficient HV cap in parallel to the device under test - as well as the experiment carried out 2 times with two different power supplies would wipe away any doubt on my side.
Quote from: hartiberlin on September 23, 2009, 01:12:12 PM
If anybody still have the current email address from John Schnurer ( former teacher at Antioch college
and former owner of gravity.org site)
please send it to me.
According to the provided link - he died May 2007.
http://www.123people.com/ext/frm?ti=personensuche%20telefonbuch&search_term=john%20schnurer&search_country=US&st=suche%20nach%20personen&target_url=http%3A%2F%2Flivinginformation.blogspot.com%2F2008%2F01%2Finterview-with-friend-and-genius.html§ion=blog&wrt_id=262
Several threads about this rotor already exist on this forum.
The rotor you see operating in the video is not "overunity" because its spinning in open air. Large voltage potentials in air can ionize air molecules at the tips of sharp conductors. This causes a thrust onto the vaned rotor blades. I have discussed this with Dr. Turtur and have read his publications, where he mentions ionic wind influence with rotors exposed to air. The power loss is great when operating at ambient pressure. In fact, power loss becomes unacceptably high even at voltages below the point of rotation.
The rotor must be placed inside a high-vacuum dielectric to stop the influence of ion thrusts. There and only then will the rotor allegedly operate with a COP greater than 1. Dr. Turtur's experiments and calculations conclude a much higher power output than power loss (over 50x) but only inside a laboratory vacuum chamber.
The technology may be revolutionary if its real but there is a very big catch. The power density from vacuum energy alone is very small; therefore a very large metal vacuum chambers and expensive rotary and turbo pumps are necessary. The power density is such that a machine capable of powering your home will require a vacuum chamber similar in size to NASA's.
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1281.html
We can imagine such structures costing tens to hundreds of millions to build. Despite this, I'm still very interested in the technology.
I did a 5 minutes test in july : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VRDK5Ra-lg
at 38KV when it run consumes 5-6mA
Forgive my English, I use the translator
Yeah... at atmospheric pressure the machine operates much like an electrostatic motor with ion assist. In air the energy from ion wind and electrostatic discharge is overwhelmingly greater than the pressure from vacuum energy oscillations.
Solid dielectrics wont do any good because they increase capacitance and weaken the electrostatic field. Vacuum is the ideal isolator for this machine but its worth experimenting other forms of dielectrics, such as compressed gasses or maybe oil--just in case.
Small scale experiments with COP > 1 can probably be conducted for under $5,000. You can probably pick up a high-powered rotary vacuum pump with an ultimate pressure capacity of 1 * 10 ^ -2/3 Torr for a few grand and buy a small pexiglass vacuum chamber for $500-1000. You might be able to build a machine of a few watts with such an investment. Of course this doesn't include the cost of buying or building the generator that will covert rotation to electrical power.
I told Dr. Turtur that my long term goals will be to build such a machine and replicate his results. However, I have to invest my money in more important things right now. I can't yet blow $10K to build a machine that can power a few light bulbs.
This only proves Stanley Meyer was right!
Just lock and hold tight the electrons and let voltage be on the output, then switch on off this electrostatic field corresponding to the waters mechanical resonant freq.
i would like to run some tests using a wimshurst machine.
i can easily develop a 30Kv potential with very little input energy.
does we know how the "fins" are arranged on the spinning cup to produce rotational motion?
seems like its just made from an aluminum can. replication is probably not very difficult.
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I have heard of mineral oil being used for homemade capacitors.Triffid
To get some perspective on how big a farad is, think about this:
A standard alkaline AA battery holds about 2.8 amp-hours.
That means that a AA battery can produce 2.8 amps for an hour at 1.5 volts (about 4.2 watt-hours -- a AA battery can light a 4-watt bulb for a little more than an hour).
Let's call it 1 volt to make the math easier. To store one AA battery's energy in a capacitor, you would need 3,600 * 2.8 = 10,080 farads to hold it, because an amp-hour is 3,600 amp-seconds.
it is impractical to use Capacitors, Superconductors are the next step to storing potential.
the so-called "supercaps" show great potential.
they charge up quickly like a capacitor, yet discharge slowly like a battery.
one guy had a demo where he operated a 9.4v electric drill from a few of them, for a several minutes.
only taking mere seconds to recharge.
on using oil..... :: oil-based systems generally need to be kept under presure if they are to be used at any significant voltage levels. high voltage potentials litterally repel the oil and will cause a physical break-down of the insulation barrier, if not held in place under pressure. This is why industry standard oil-based capacitors and transformers are pressurized.
Just a reminder"baby oil" is mostly mineral oil.So you could have some nice smelling capacitors,lol.
triffid
Hi sm0Ky2,
I do not think that super-caps are promising simply by the fact that in order to store an certain amount - lets say 1 Joule - of energy in a cap you need 2 joule to achieve this.
please have a look at the file attached here and go to the bottom of this document for all reference-documents ever published about this subject.
Regards
Kator01
Re onthecuttingedge2005:
Formula for electrostatic energy is 0.5CU^2 so capacity needed to store energy 2.8 Watthours (or 10,080 Joules) would be 20,160 Farads (if the voltage is 1V as you said) but this is minor mistake.
Re Kator01:
"I do not think that super-caps are promising simply by the fact that in order to store an certain amount - lets say 1 Joule - of energy in a cap you need 2 joule to achieve this."
This is only valid if voltage is constant. If voltage is gradually increased then theoretically there are no losses in circuit and all the energy from source is transformed to electrostatic energy. This is called adiabatic charging and used in modern integrated circuits to save energy.
Quote from: Xaero_Vincent on September 24, 2009, 05:06:30 PM
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The rotor must be placed inside a high-vacuum dielectric to stop the influence of ion thrusts. There and only then will the rotor allegedly operate with a COP greater than 1.
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It's right. But there is a much simpler way to stop the ion thrust: by placing a large plastic sheet between the rotor and the HV electrode.
Turtur is surely intelligent enough to know that. If he does not configure his experiment in such a way, we can guess the reason is either he tried and the experiment failed, or he did not even try because he prefers to believe instead of knowing.
Definitely Interesting.
Searl effect is something like this.
Hi Stefan and all here :
why does the overunity prize does not go to Prof. Turtur ?
He has definitly proof of 50 time more energy-returned from the vacuum-field than invested and this was performed in a high-vacuum-chamber.
Regards
Kator01
lol, Prof. Tutor lives close to my home city. Maybe I should go to his university and ask him about his research.
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To get some perspective on how big a farad is, think about this:
A standard alkaline AA battery holds about 2.8 amp-hours.
That means that a AA battery can produce 2.8 amps for an hour at 1.5 volts (about 4.2 watt-hours -- a AA battery can light a 4-watt bulb for a little more than an hour).
Let's call it 1 volt to make the math easier. To store one AA battery's energy in a capacitor, you would need 3,600 * 2.8 = 10,080 farads to hold it, because an amp-hour is 3,600 amp-seconds.
it is impractical to use Capacitors, Superconductors are the next step to storing potential.
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This comparison is only valid for storing energy at certain voltage.
So an AA Battery holds 4Wh
You would need a 1F cap charged with 14.4 kV to do the same...
Quote from: Kator01 on January 18, 2010, 05:38:42 PM
Hi Stefan here :
why does the overunity prize does not go to Prof. Turtur ?
He has definitly proof of 50 time more energy-returned from the vacuum-field than invested and this was performed in a high-vacuum-chamber.
Kator01
Does he already have a selfrunning device with at least 1 Watts of additional output ?
I don´t think so. Please read again the OU prize conditions.