I have got the dave lawton circuit (pwm), a ferrite rod , some insulated wire a 2 pairs of 18' tubes.
So I fetched one pair and reduced the outer tube in length to resonate at the same freq as the inner tube.
I connected the pwm , the minus to the inner tube , and was able to get some bubbles with a rate of 1 per 5 sec. (Gating off) at almost no current. (Analog Meter)
All with destilled water.No adds.
I got no scope now , but I will get one.
It would be nice, if someone could clarify some things, whether they are important, or not:
Resonance : The mechanical resonance of the pair of tubes I currently use is about 920 Hz.
So the pwm has a gating frequency and a frequency of the burst, which is much higher.
Must the burst frequency be equal the mechanical resonance frequency of the tubes?
(Not mentioning that the mechanical resonating frequency in water is not the same as in the air)
Is it correct to say that the cell acts as a capacitor , when connected in series with the bifilar wound coil that would give a serial resonance circuit (LC).
Must the resonance frequency of this serial resonance circuit be tuned to the mechanical resonance freq. of the tubes ? Well this could be only done by varying the impedance of the bifilar coil?
Can you determine exactly which part of the circuit must resonate ?
Is the bifilar coil wound that way?
http://mazeto.net/lib/0---voda---0/resonance/chokes/crux1.htm
Picture by first poster : crux_wfc
Has it a greater Impedance that a normal coil when wound in that way?
Or is resonance not the key to efficiency?
Regarding the Rosemary Ainslie circuit it is very similar to the mosfet power stage of the pwm.
It uses sharp spikes (with a raise time less than 10 us , if I remember correctly).
Another OU researcher Zoltan Szili has experimented with a simulation program,
that can use the Jiles-Atherton model of electromagnetism .
And if I got it right, the inductance retrieves that extra energy and resonance is not the key to get a good efficiency
with this circuit.
Well now that Xogen has received an official goverment grant , its clear that this is not some front company for defrauding investors . HHO is the way to go .
Stan Meyers's brother is a shareholder of that company , so I would listen to his interview very very carefully .
For the most active HHO site where people actually make things and actually save dollars , join ionizationx.com
Only GEET and HHO technology is allowed to be talked there , there is none of that other BS over there .
There much serious theorizing and maths posts and etc ... regarding the Stan and Xogen devices .
Are you the forum owner?
Like this?
Wound this way , the resulting magnetic field would be zero.
Such a coil has no inductivity.
Its a simple resistor. Correct me if I am wrong.
Yeah well it doesnt work , all that stuff they tell about a bifilar wound like that configuration just isnt true , or I cant make it work .
I believe it is an over simplification .
The question I ask myself now is what does Stan's brother use .
We know his company uses a special method but what ?
Also , why did he change his name to Stephen Barrie Chambers ?
He applied for that Hydroxyl refilling station but it was never accepted . There is only a patent app .
Then he moved to Canada and changed his name , and is now only doing water treatment .
Welcome to the seemless neverending strugle to copy Mr Meyers THECELL!!! Good to have you on board!!! Nice work on making the 2 tubes the same frequency! Just a question on that, why are you making the tubes resonate and not the water? Also if you read into some of the older posts you'll understand Dankie's less than enthusiastic approach to this concept... Whats your team working on now??? i can't keep up you guys change projects so often...
As for your questions i suggest you look into it as each cell and infact each set of variables will be different (so will the extent of the reasearch and how far you push your variables). Can i ask which principals are you basing your cell ideas on? Since your attempting something that hasn't been widely replicated yet i assume you have an idea or theory where someone has gone wrong in getting this idea to work. Good Luck, don't take anything anyone says on here for granted or gospel!!!
-Ewok
Quote from: dankie on October 01, 2009, 12:38:16 AM
Yeah well it doesnt work , all that stuff they tell about a bifilar wound like that configuration just isnt true , or I cant make it work .
I believe it is an over simplification .
The question I ask myself now is what does Stan's brother use .
We know his company uses a special method but what ?
Also , why did he change his name to Stephen Barrie Chambers ?
He applied for that Hydroxyl refilling station but it was never accepted . There is only a patent app .
Then he moved to Canada and changed his name , and is now only doing water treatment .
Dankie,
If I believed my brother was asassinated and then discredited to a point where the mention of any connection to him with this tech could be a draw back, because of a technology that i knew how to build... i would move countries and change my name too... Then look at a way to incorporate the tech into an area that is a little more low key... then implement it slowly as a BREAKTHROUGH in an alternate use for an already established and standardized technology...
OK, maybe try this... Use your Lawton PWM and connect it to a coil, any coil, and 12v lamp. You may have to try a few different size coils for greater visible affect. Look for when the light is the brightest and when it's the dimmest or completely out. Measure the voltage and amperage at these points. Take note of the frequencies also. These points of brightness are self resonant frequencies of the coil, any coil... Yes, the coil in the diagram is non-inductive but there is still parasitic and distributed inductance in the circuit as a whole.
Ok the resonance of a LC circuit .
Ravi's cell wires got hot , even though the amperage into his circuit was very low. Resonance of a serial LC circuit .
There the other thing with rosemary ainslie circuit ; this has nothing to do with resonance.
Ravi was getting the highest efficiency with the lowest current.
It seems the duty cycle was very short. The amount of power to get from the outside is limited. All further increases of the duty cycle drains only power from the power supply.
I think Xogen uses resonance in combination with standing waves.
The forces at the plates are zero while the force in the middle between the plates reaches a maximum allowing fractioning of water into HHO with comparable low power.
The same effect takes place in the pete davy heater.
Resonance can do. I got to do some experimenting work.