NASA has sent up a rocket that will crash into a crater on the moon, so as to kick up a cloud that can be analysed for signs of water/ice.
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Breaking.html
Won't be able to watch it live myself, anyone else going to be looking in on it?
A deep impact 'crater' (if that's what you want to call it) exists at the lunar south pole.
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/earth/moon/luna_south_pole_clementine_sm.jpg
One of the strangest (and currently the largest) impact craters in the solar system. It's center gives the appearance of having been punched into the moon for a considerable distance, implying that our Moon had once been impacted by something either very dense, and/or very fast, indeed.
A curious side note: It's shape has the potential to act as a blast 'nozzle' should a very large explosive/combustive event take place within.
Who wouldn't want to see the results of the LCROSS mission? Of course, it will probably be overcast over much of the U.S. so, T.V. and Live Web Feed will provide the most convenient and coolest footage.
TS
http://www.divulgence.net/solar_angle_variables.htm
http://www.divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html
Perhaps, according to some, it is better that many NOT know some truths. However, regarding our earth wobbling to and fro like a drunkard, the Bible reveals the truth. Read Isaiah 24:20.....Now, would YOU want to know, and therefore be afforded a chance to perhaps better prioritize your life according to Christ's examples? Show of hands, who thinks bombing the moon to the tune of 100 million dollars is really about finding water?
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-2.htm
http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/studies/online/daysofnoah.htm
Blessings in Yeshua , Jesus Christ,
TS
Please note that this experiment was set up for 09-09-09.
Tried to watch it live via nasa's live tv feed.....nasa had told amateur telescope owners to have 'impact parties'. Many stayed up all night to watch the show.....then, nothing happened. zip, zilch, nada.
http://www.14wfie.com/global/story.asp?s=11288633
Dozens of news stories indicate that many are scratching their heads over this one. nasa clearly intentionally grabbed the interest of many, leading them to believe they should be able to see the 'blast' with backyard scopes. I watched 'mission control' as they attempted to muster enthusiasm at impact. It was a tiny, cramped room with like, 5 guys in it. I think one was the janitor, the other four looked like the janitors subcontractors. It had all the trappings of some sort of 'spoof' for a T.V. comedy channel.
nasa, of course, labels it a raging success. wooo!
who knows, maybe on some level.....deep below the surface of the moon, it still is...
dooo dooo dog dooo....(my rod serling theme impersonation of the day)
Meanwhile, back on earth, Truth happens:
http://divulgence.net/solar_angle_variables.htm
http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html
Little Billy at an elementary school near you:
"teacher, why is the sun coming up so far north of the tropic of cancer?"
"Don't be silly, you're to young to have cancer" "Now be a good boy and put your head down on your desk for awhile."
Just saw the replay.
NASA deserves every conspiracy theory this will bring their way, putting out 'coverage' like that.
Can't be too critical though, as keeping people interested and informed about what they're doing obviously isn't one of their highest priorities. There's probably a perfectly reasonable explanation for their not actually showing either objects actually hitting the moon. But I don't expect I'll ever find out what it is.
It's a pity such agencies, that have access to, and use up, such wealth and resources rely so much on that 'just take our word for it' approach. Makes it look like they're hiding something. And demanding people's trust like that just makes them seem less trustworthy to me, not more. Makes me wonder what kind of bullshit in particular it is I'm dealing with when I look at that kind of behaviour. Is it deliberate, accidental, arising from incompetence, or arrogance, or some combination of all of these? I don't know. All I know is, in any case, it's not the only way of doing things, and it's not the best way.
NASA thinks it can use the same old tactics it has been using for 40 years on the public. People have become smarter and are no longer manipulated by their lies. NASA has accocomplished absolutely nothing for mankind but who knows what they have accomplished for self interest knowing that 99% of their mission are secret DoD ones. NASA soon will fall hard like any big maffia organization.
Well, ask yourself why so many propaganda puff pieces, thinly veneered social engineering attempts have been coming our way for decades....increasingly, movies with plots serendipitous to current events will come out before real events of high similarity. Obvious attempts to engineer public perception and reaction to that which is to come. In the movie 2012, for instance, Hidden underground shangri la's building massive "techno-arks" to survive a massive cataclysm....
I tried for years to elicit a response from someone, anyone, regarding the huge increase in earth tilt......thud....when you couple all the socio-suppression tactics together, it appears quite formidable. When they are spraying drugs over the heads of the populace, toxifiying foods, out and out assasinating the economy, waging all out war on the middle (ie. THINKING) class...using mind-warping media efforts....most are going to succumb, and fairly quietly, too.
When I found Divulgence.net, I at first thought I was seeing deja vu or something. When the earth can wobble to and fro, and 99.9% of the population takes no note, that says ALOT. All summer, this year, the sun was practically rising just east of the north pole for those in central mexico, where the old tropic of cancer is located. The sun should have been rising due east for them.
I sometimes wonder how much creative 'site mirroring' is going on, and how many people are posting to the 'real' versions of websites and 'other' shennanigans....
What many, sadly, refuse to realize, is that these events and many others, were foretold for a reason, they are HAPPENING for a reason, so that some WILL take note, realize the error of their ways, REPENT of their former life course, and ESCAPE the things to come. When those students to lesser scribes take it upon themselves to attempt to withhold, suppress, sequester, vital information.....for purposes, no matter how noble, with intentions, no matter how 'good', the result is a rough cobbled, slick paved road to hell. A road Mortared with selfishness masquerading as charity, ignorance advertised as enlightenment.
By December 21 of this year, The cwhoreporate media SHOULD be getting it's remaining chipped, cracked, shattered, and oft reglued glass eye thoroughly blackened by obvious reality, if it chooses to attempt to keep the lid on this issue. And the internet will be showing it's deep and overlapping wrinkles more glaringly to many.
At least, one can hope....
God bless Daniel, and the writing on the wall
And God bless you too
several things are going on with the earth right now.
in addition to the peak of a long-term tectonic cycle,
we are also experiencing a shift in the solar-cycle, cooresponding to a change in astrological "ages", from pices into aqarius.
also, the earth is due for a major climate cycle, see this::
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles)
so, a shift in the earth's angle, with respect to the sun is expected at our current time.
HOWEVER,. ths shift is a well known phenomena, and only ammounts to 0.06-degrees at our current position.
see here:
http://www.srrb.noaa.gov/highlights/sunrise/azel.html (http://www.srrb.noaa.gov/highlights/sunrise/azel.html)
if you enter the winter solstice (dec 21), time Noon, of 2009 you will see that it is 23.44-degrees, precisely 0.06 degrees deviation from the average 23.5-degrees.
this nonsense about the earth's tilt changing 26-degrees is nothing but a hoax, being used a fear-propeganda. there's no truth to it.
Quotethis nonsense about the earth's tilt changing 26-degrees is nothing but a hoax, being used a fear-propeganda. there's no truth to it.
Depends on just how relative one's definition of 'truth' is. And how studied one has become regarding the simple science involved in determining the truth of the matter. It's more than adequately spelled out at Divulgence.net
The Fact is, the sun never Used to rise north of the tropic of cancer. Hence the designation of the tropic of cancer. I and many others have observed it coming up somewhere in the direction of Maine, and going down in the direction of Oregon, relative to the central/south central U.S.
Pandering to the lowest common denominator by withholding vital information, used to make important life decisions, is misguided at best.....and you may guess the worst.
One can only imagine the 'hell' to pay for making such decisions for others, and being accountable for the results. Given the current reception to such truth, on the whole, I doubt that TPTB have much to worry about in the way of mass hysteria.....yet.
The bible makes clear warning about such machinations.
Isaiah warns us at chapter 24, verse 20 that such was to come, and the state of the world when it did.
The reason it is now being borne out is for the sake of those who might take heed and alter their life course, and live for those beside themselves.
Blesings in Yeshua,
TS
Religions were started and remain today because .....
QuoteA god is made to say what is expedient to support the theopolitical claims of the parties that created him - parties that make a living selling him to hapless buyers who have no Better Business Bureau to which they can appeal.
fortunately my "truth" is not defined by mythological tales of impending doom....
the data does not support these outrageous claims, not to mention the fact that if the earth's nutation were off by 26-degrees, nearly all of our satellites would have to be adjusted appropriately to continue their function, as well as the fact that we would no longer posses a 24-hour day cycle - hence we would have to rewrite our clocks and calendars to accomodate such changes. This would have been noticed by everyone, not just those who are incapable of determining which way is north....
Not buyin it tak, Too much of what the Bible says, is, has, and will come true.
Christ's Teachings are loving, kind, Righteous and infallible.
I notice you posted simply to register your disdain for religion, and who isn't fed up with 'religion' as practiced by so very many these days?
You didn't raise issue, I note, with the fact that the earth is seriously wobbling.
Fact, Isaiah said the earth would wobble like a drunkard at a time when man is in a fit of rebellion to God and would not rise from it.
Earth is now reeling at that time.
The simple fact is that the earth is reeling because God said it would, in order to give warning for some to turn from rebellious life styles and see the error of their ways before this earthly test is complete.
I urge you to reconsider God's Word, kneel in secret and petition God in Christ's name, to reveal Himself to you, to forgive you of transgression, and lift you out of slavery to the desires of the body. It's your Soul that matters.
He died so that we might live...
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-4.htm
Blessings in Yeshua,
TS
did i mention that there would be a permanent winter in the southern hemisphere???
which does not seem to be present...
the earth is not "wobbling"
Quotethe data does not support these outrageous claims,
It's simple really, either the sun rose over the horizon at the of the tropic of cancer on June 21st of this year, or it didn't.
Now, I imagine there are those in the pacific northwest, where they endured the hottest summer on record, who can affirm that the sun rose where I and many others observed it to...
One man's data is another man's aspartame sweetened soft serve ice-cream.
I quite eating the ice-cream....
I suppose you think that all the gum at every store checkout counter is aspartame sweetened by coincidence too.... Instead of because gum, when chewed, produces juices that are absorbed sublingually, sending excito-toxins straight to the brain. How's your short term memory lately?
You can choose to continue swallowing another's data, or apply simple, common sense science to the issue. You still have some freedom of choice left, it's somewhat up to you.
Here's an exercise for those less swayed by mass hypnotism. Ask a friend or acquaintance on the net who lives on the tropic of capricorn, to take a picture at a landmark due east of their location just before the sun breaks the horizon or with a filtered lens at sunrise on the 21st of December. Or watch it rise yourself and honestly ask why it is so far south. Just an exercise, it really matters very little to most peope, either way, by design of TPTB.
God bless
for that "test" to be conducted correctly, the location of the sun should be measured by its angle from the southern horizon (true south, not magnetic) at NOON. not at sunrise or sunset. on dec. 21
and i believe there are some people in australia on this forum that could potentially perform this test. and i think they will find (just as does the whole of the scientific community) that the earth's tilt is 23.44-degrees.
The ancients built monuments to align with sun rise/set on the tropic of cancer. It was part of their worship, as they celebrated such events. And I'm sure you don't insinuate that my observations and those of Divulgence.net are faked. I mounted a thermometer on the north side of my house, 4 years ago. Why? because it NEVER got sunlight. It's been inundated with golden rays for the last 3 summers. I watched as the sun set over the general direction of oregon as they set heat records all summer!
I think pride is at stake here, for many to admit that the emperor has no clothes...may take a child's voice. Perhaps a child's voice on youtube with video.
I propose people get as many others as they can to settle this assumedly 'noble' farce once and for all. To take the right of self determination away from others over such an important issue as this by deceit is wrong. It's bad enough that plain old ignorance precludes so many from determining how messed up we really are, with the simple evidence in plain sight!
Many, could be saved. Why pander to the 'fears' of what, potentially, the lowest common denominator might do as a result of knowing the truth? It's not like the evidence is getting any slimmer!
DECEMBER 21 is not too far away.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. And it is tyrannous to treat the common man like a mushroom.
"The first shall be last, and the last shall be first"
TS
yes i do insinuate that the "claims" made on divulgence.net are fake, false and propegandist nonsense...
all one has to do is look at and read the things they are claiming as "evidence" to support these claims.
i place more stake in my own observations and those made by advanced scientific equipment over those ranted out by bible-thumpers and doomsday theologians.
it has nothing to do with "pride", i could personally care less of the earth did backflips or spun in the opposite direction. but the fact of the matter is, this is simple not occuring.
there are stationary monuments and devices scattered around the globe, some of which have remained for hundreds or thousands of years, through which holes, notches, and markers align precisely with the suns, its rays and/or shadows during specific times of day and year - and light still casts upon them with astonishingly accurate precision.
the movement and command data of many satellites is publicly available, and we see no such re-orentation of these devices to accomodate a shift in the earth's tilt. If such a shift occured without these necessary adjustments, the satellites would be mislocated and/or fall into a decaying orbit sending them crashing to earth. Also the IST's orbital path is accurately calculated and plotted and can be tracked throughout every day and night, it does not have the capabilities to make such drastic movements, as to mask a massive shift in the earth.
what you are proposing would ammount to a visible change in the sun's north/south orientation of 2/10's of a degree every day.
we dont have to wait until december 21 to see this is not the case.
look at the sun today at noon. place a marker and mark its shadow.
then compare it to tomorow, and the next day.
watch it for a month, if what divulgence.net is claiming holds true then you will see a change of 6 degrees over a month's time.
but you dont have to take my word for it, and you can even choose to ignore scientific evidence....
i shall speak to you in your own language.
Ezekiel 13:9
Sm0ky
Please don't bring Ezikil into it. He is talking about Israel and I could not care less if Israel fell into the sea but the bigger issue is the people's mistrust of the so called authorities.
are you insinuating that theres a global conspiracy, involving every world government, NASA, DoD, every weather reporting agency, every telecom corporation, 10,000+ astronomers, and countless others all working together to "hide" changes in the earth's tilt from an unsuspecting global population???
In the words of someone reporting about chemtrails: "people are too busy writing text messages to notice the chemtrails".
Where I live, as a rule we are not allowed to see the sun on a regular basis otherwise I would check the facts out for myself.
Most people I know have not got any interest in what is going on. Even when I point out to them the huge inflation in food prices does not shake them.
I know others who are totally in agreement with the eugenics program.
I know some who know about what is going on but feel too powerless to even express an opinion.
TechStuff,
All that stuff you said a few posts back, I kneeled and prayed a while ago and nothing happened and I felt very stupid and suckered.
I do believe in God the creator but I thing the rest of religion is man made.
Think like this, a local band makes some music and becomes popular and gets spotted by talent spotters. They sign on and from that point, they become a comodity. What you said about Jesus may be correct but when the Romans adopted him, it was to further their empire and not what jesus taught.
Interesting points MP, people are strange.....when you're a stranger....
Morrison was right. Who knew.
Divulgence.net
December 21st
TS
well,. since you've already decided to discard the fundamentals of geometry and physics, discredit the whole of science, astronomy and communications, and completely ignore the consistency of terestrial-solar interactions....
the only choice left for you now is to go hide in the corner and pray for your mythological deiety to "tilt the earth back to where it should be"....
QuoteTechStuff,
All that stuff you said a few posts back, I kneeled and prayed a while ago and nothing happened and I felt very stupid and suckered.
Well, at least you showed Him your heart, and if it was in the right place and your actions sincere, I wouldn't expect to feel that way for too much longer...He works in mysterious ways, but then, you already know that.
You know, belief in a higher power than man is very important...
My main purpose in responding to this thread, is to share with others the phenomenon I believe to be happening for the purpose of perhaps causing them to think about the fulfillment of
Isaiah 24:20
To think about the amazing evidences of our Creator's Hand upon the earth:
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/dtimes-1.htm
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-2.htm
The earth was tipped off it's axis before, every major culture tells of a massive flood, the Chinese language share's it's origin with ancient Hebrew. The Chinese symbol for 'ship' is a boat with 8 persons aboard.
4 Years ago, I mounted a thermometer on the true north facing side of my home, just outside a window. I mounted it there because it always got shade there. For the last 3 summers, it has gotten light, this last summer, it got even MORE light. I could watch the sun rise and set out that window. I found nothing on the net until fairly recently.....at Divulgence.net
The man recounts, with photos, the exact same phenomenon I experienced. The strange thing is, it is so obvious.....that to most, it isn't. ODD. People glance up, shrug, and off they go taking no note of it.
It is 'S'trange to see so many people bamboozled into thinking that the seasons have always been this way....on one 'ask a scientist' web site, some 'expert' answered a kid's question about the increase in earth tilt the child had noticed. The response was straight out of the "little billy" handbook on head patting and attention diversion.
I TRULY do believe that the masses are being suppressed in more ways than even a Sci-Fi movie producer might believe. The powers that be are THAT fearful of mass hysteria that they will drug the populace....quash information....etc. etc. to hide certain information. Their fear of what the lowest common denominator will do with knowledge of potential disaster, causes them to steal the right of self determination away from most everybody.
Why? It's not like their attack on the economy, their attack on the human mind, the health of millions, is any less damaging than people knowing that the earth is tilted.
This December 21st, MANY more people will wake up to the realization that, while keeping their heads down like obedient oompa loompas, Willy Wonka took off with all the candy and even taking from them, much of their precious time to prepare for certain life altering events.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO2eh6f5Go0
TS
let's play the link game .....
one serious
http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/bogus.html (http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/bogus.html)
and one funny
http://iambilly.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/noahs-ark-was-found-two-years-ago-really/ (http://iambilly.wordpress.com/2009/02/13/noahs-ark-was-found-two-years-ago-really/)
don't forget to bless something after reading
I checked out your links, and I think I see part of your difficulty. There is an old saying, goes something like this:
"Teach a man to think that he's thinking and he will love you, but make him really think, and he may hate you."
Some prefer that others do their thinking for them, for if they should be required to exercise previously assaulted, coerced, or simply under utilized critical thinking skills, such action registers as pain, of one kind or another, to them.
When, (not if) this world meets it's end, I will certainly not expect you to come running to me for absolution.....who am I, really?
Perhaps, though, you will attempt to run to "billy the atheist" for his take on your predicament?
Of course, there yet remains time for you to educate yourself on what is really what, and who is really who in this darkened world.
The man in the following series of videos, a high school science teacher, was once an 'atheist'. He shares compelling evidence for what, and most importantly, Who, caused him to correct his thinking on the matter:
http://www.doesgodexist.tv/
Regards, and Blessings in Yeshua be upon you
Quote from: MasterPlaster on October 10, 2009, 06:06:57 PM
In the words of someone reporting about chemtrails: "people are too busy writing text messages to notice the chemtrails".
Where I live, as a rule we are not allowed to see the sun on a regular basis otherwise I would check the facts out for myself.
Most people I know have not got any interest in what is going on. Even when I point out to them the huge inflation in food prices does not shake them.
I know others who are totally in agreement with the eugenics program.
I know some who know about what is going on but feel too powerless to even express an opinion.
TechStuff,
All that stuff you said a few posts back, I kneeled and prayed a while ago and nothing happened and I felt very stupid and suckered.
I do believe in God the creator but I thing the rest of religion is man made.
Think like this, a local band makes some music and becomes popular and gets spotted by talent spotters. They sign on and from that point, they become a comodity. What you said about Jesus may be correct but when the Romans adopted him, it was to further their empire and not what jesus taught.
Hi MP.
There is something very suspicious about all other religions, most contain the tree of life wheel, the symbolic schematic to building a flying saucer, I study all religions so I spotted it, I can even interpret some of it but since there is a dialog of Mal opinion I keep it to my self, I do share sometimes but it is to eerie for me. some people freak me out.
I think all religions that contain the tree of life are excepted religions. just my opinion of course. but why would just about every religion contain the tree of life? even religions before Christianity? even India has a wheel of the tree of life.
maybe all religions that contain the tree of life are related by the same mediators?
I myself believe they were time travelers because the odds are greater but to each their own I guess. if they were time travelers what was their purpose?
I still believe there is a creator, but I don't believe anyone knows anything about him/her but there shouldn't be a gender. I really don't think anyone knows even a byte of info about God.
I can put all bible literature on one DVD disk from every nation or country, not much info at all. one DVD? wow. where's all the answers our father left us to prevent us from killing ourselves technological wise? or maybe he/she can't but we at this early stage of technological evolution would figure him/her out?
there is a great deal of suspicion going on here. where is he/she, why not join us in our desperate days? I know, it is some revelation, I am tired of waiting for a failed revelation. I know, he/she says they are looking at us from around the corner, but they are late!
how long will they take, 2000 years more! maybe never! of course we'd never know because we will all die and never find out the truth or is that the plot I wonder?
I am always looking for the plot, that's me, if there is a plot, I will see it! I will spend a great many hours or even days fitting a plotted puzzle together. I am also an em-path, I can feel people, if I can't feel them I will probe them until I get a feel for them, I am autistic in this area. sometimes it can work against my friendships but in the end it usually empowers my friendships.
I never tell lies, only people who are scared of something tell lies. this has been my belief since I was a child.
as far as Obama is concerned, I believe he got into somethings that were way over his head as a professional senator of Illinois, but all presidents experience what disorders that were left behind for the next President to heal. if ever.
I believe he is trying his best to appease people of this nation but then there is the opposites, nobody could ever be appeased because there are differences in everyones opinions. not everyone thinks like everyone else.
it is impossible to be a perfect president, impossible! I mean, how would you like to be president, I bet you would receive the same welcome among the peoples just as Obama, it is a very hard job, he gets very little sleep! can you or anyone handle a lack of sleep for 4 years at minimal office. being president isn't as easy as it may seem, I hope you get to be president one day, just so I can say, I told you so!
nobody else cares, all they want is action in their favor. there are over 351,000,000 favors to keep track of.
Jerry 8)
:) I'm an atheist am I? that's news to me.
another telling trait of religionists is an endless need to talk and write about
their obsession. I guess baffling them gets and keeps the sheep in line.
all sorts of interesting things probably happened in the distant past but I
doubt very much that today we should have even the slimmest expectation
that any religion has figured it out and can claim to know the 'truth'.
don't forget to bless something after reading.
Truthfully, I've never met a 'real' living atheist, for you see, (or perhaps in the future you will) ALL is religion. And not a one of us is absent a 'god' in our lives.
Christ said that even one's belly can be a god. (and boy is He right!)
For many, religion is a comfortable superstition, a fearsome habit, a social tool, or crutch. However, the teachings of Yeshua, Jesus christ stand alone. High above the fallible traditions of men. If I proclaimed myself an atheist and went on tv and in public proclaiming Christ, how long would I be called an atheist? Who am I fooling? Then why do so many look to false religious and political leaders who claim to be Christians and judge Christ and all Christians by such fakers? That is a double standard which still exists because of the simple fact that it is easier to judge people in groups, marginalizing whole swaths of humanity by those, who by their actions, prove the hypocrisy of their affiliations.
Stick enough labels on her and we can smother the world.
I could delude you with massive amounts of evidence that TPTB, at least at the highest levels, worship the fallen one and his cohorts. Literally thousands of youtube videos of heavy metal minions screeching their devotion to lucifer and what he represents. (Just a single example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4syi9RjL9w ) The devil certainly seems real to them.
I think the following should be enough to make my point as to why, above and instead of all other places, beings, or things in which I could place my faith, I choose Yeshua, King of Kings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7dpGWYZMDc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF9SJTPl8r0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O0KCfLqMZo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4syi9RjL9w
Simply put, after all the miraculous things I have personally witnessed and experienced which harmonize with those of others who belong to Christ, nothing else comes close in comparison.
Blessings in Yeshua
P.S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQh1cjZLmUo
perhaps we should add a verse into the Holy Babble..
something to the effect of:
thou shalt not preach mythology on an energy forum....
there are more appropriate places for such discussions.
i believe this thread was intended to be about the earth and moon,
not about mythologies and their followers.
You shouldn't be able to claim that the Earth is wobbling on its axis either when it is not happening.
I hope that they find water on the moon.
All the crazy conspiracy theories that people have concocted for this test should amaze me but they don't. I have been jaded by the Internet.
My radical thoughts are that the rocket stage crashed into an area that was very rocky and relatively free of moon dust, so there was no big cloud of debris generated like they hoped to see with telescopes. Hopefully the probe that followed behind the rocket stage menaged to gather some good data though.
MileHigh
the chances of finding water on the moon are fairly slim to none, which they knew before the test began.
the test was necessary, to justify what is to follow::
1) shipping massive ammounts of hydrogen to the moon
2) performing electrolysis on the iron-oxide (which is 95+% the moon-dust) to form oxygen and molten iron (to use for construction)
3) catalyzing the H2 + O2 reaction to retrieve a portion of the energy back, and making water in the process.
all necessary steps in the development of the moonbase.
This test was to discredit the opposing theories that speculated there may already be water in the form of ice trapped beneath the moons surface, which would make such an endeavor a wasteful feat.
of course, if the test didnt gather enough data- then the test itself was a complete waste - which is pure irony (pardon the pun)
the majority of NASA scientists believe that the H2 signatures found in lunar spectrometry, is in fact hydrated minerals, ejected from the earth's core during the impact that spat out the moon roughly 45 billion yrs ago.
The theories that suggest the possibility of ice are derrived from hte vast ammounts of craters on the moons surface, coupled with the % of ice-containing meteors that are currently present in our local region of space. The basis of he theory being that the meteors deposited their ice into said craters.
For those inclined to be critical or dismissive of the evidence, out of hand, without research for themselves, or who have been bamboozled by perhaps well meaning 'science' types, be reminded that it's easy to 'drown' in equations and holier than thou ivory tower platitudes coming from those compromised by that highly contagious, insidious disease known as 'selective myopia'. The old, "Who you gonna believe, ME or those under educated eyes of yours?" in action. Which is largely why the emperor's clothes are still so 'sparkly' to the masses.
When Inuit peoples, ('Eskimos') who are much more keen to such things than are we, begin to notice the sun coming up and setting in strange locations, a bird they'd never seen before, the robin, starts nesting up their way, some take notice.
http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted
When the South Pole outweighs the North Pole by several GinormoGigaTons because the N polar ice cap is virtually non-existent during the summer...it's simple physics. Where does the N polar runoff migrate too? The equator. A spinning orb with equatorial and S polar mass concentrations, clearly demonstrates instability. When those, like myself, begin to notice the north side of their house receiving sunlight where it hadn't before, being able to watch the sun rise and set through a window facing due north, which is situated at 41 deg N latitude, which never happened before.....
Something's UP no matter what the minions at the science halls say. Look at how tightly they cowardly hold the 911 party line. Fear is a disease that portends to destroy so many in this world.
Come December 21st of this year, MANY more will be aware....and will be watching to see just how reality stacks up against the...
"party line"
Speaking of 'party' that is what many do best upon perceiving impending disaster....just as foretold in the Holy Word of our Creator.
http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/stud...daysofnoah.htm
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-2.htm
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-3.htm
Christ compared the end of the age of mankind to the days of Lot & the days of Noah. The masses of both generations, chose to 'party on' taking NO NOTE of the gracious warnings shared with them. It was foretold that in our day it would be no different.
Notice above, that Sodom & Gommorah exist today only as ash, some of the Brimstone which destroyed it is still there, some of it smothered out upon penetrating the ash mounds and can still be found strewn about the site. Numerous videos exist of those touring the site, picking up the 'sulphur balls' and igniting them with a lighter. The sulphuric 'brimstone' has been lab tested to be MUCH more pure than yellow, volcanic sulphur and with no evidence of volcanic activity to be found anywhere near the site.
Fiery Hail?
A World Wide Flood?
The evidence is there for anyone to investigate....the Prophecies of the Bible ARE the word of our Creator, including:
"The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls--never to rise again." Isaiah 24:20
There are those in power who desperately wish for the vast majority to carry on about there lives as if nothing is going to happen, preferring to couch references to the 'truth as they know it' in Scifi movie social engineering pablum....Fearing what the lowest common denominator of society will do in reaction to 'uncomfortable' news is a specialty of certain groups of people. Such that they would seek to withhold important information even from those who could use such information in a positive manner. This is backwards. It is fearful.....cowardice is now become bravery in an upside down world.
The earth reeling to and fro at the end of the age of mankind is but a single one of the many Biblical prophecies pertaining to this age, that is beginning to take (or has taken) place.
You deserve to know, You deserve to keep your right of self determination regarding what IS and is to COME. Isaiah's warning was not meant for a "chosen few", but for everyone, including YOU.
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2009-08/warming-oceans-could-tilt-earth
http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html
http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/polarmotion/2006_wobble_anomaly.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earthrv9.htm
http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/earth’s-axis-has-changed-›-create-new-post-â€"-wordpress/
Blessings in Yeshua
Quoteperhaps we should add a verse into the Holy Babble..
something to the effect of:
thou shalt not preach mythology on an energy forum....
Yahweh bless your heart there smoky.
It could sure use it. Besides, last time I checked, this forum was about FREE energy, not just energy, as you generically describe it.
And FREE energy takes various forms. The gift of abundant, eternal Life, is free. I notice you denigrate that which you do not know.....this is a common superstition, fear of the unknown is common in our world, always has been.
Arkdiscovery.com contains much archaeological substantiation of those "myths" as you blindly refer to them.
Why, the bible even reveals quite accurately.....those who would be in power in the last days of this age, an age when man takes dominion of the air, even going into space, Revealing that man would take power over the weather....
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/docops/usaf/2025/v3c15/v3c15-1.htm
and who runs the military? The 'beast' referred to in Revelation?
http://watch.pair.com/mark.html
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/sixpointedstar.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/297062.shtml
I would advise you to be much more careful regarding what you wish for...
YOU just might get it.
It is not wise to mock Yahweh, the living God, as many others could attest, if they could be here to share their experiences with you.
At any rate, Blessings in Yeshua, be upon you and your household
Tech...
you assume that i know not about your mythology...
i have probably read your book more times than you have yourself.
you assume that since one simply does not believe, that he does so blindly, or without evidence.
i could take you down the path, and show you how your book evolved over several thousand years from one mythology , into another, and another, to take the form it holds today.
i could walk you through the passages, and show you that even your book itself, in its very texts makes bibliographical references (no pun intended) to other known fictional texts from which it was derrived.
This is not the place for that, and it would be unfair of me to strip your life of the only "purpose" or "meaning" you have found for your existence - for such would leave you in despair and longing, and eventually you would just latch onto some other magical, invisible sky-fairy myth...
If you want to be a "digitial preacher" thats your own business, but theres no reason to come HERE to a forum about electricity, technology, and the physical realm to spread your mythological propeganda.
TechStuf:
Putting religion aside because I have no interest in discussing it - the Earth is NOT "wobbling" period. It is stable as it rotates about its axis except for minor variations of one or two centimeters because of ice sheets melting, etc. When the ice sheets grow back the minor variation is reversed. All of this happens because the angular momentum of the Earth has to be conserved, just like a spinning top.
Tens of thousands of amateur astronomers would have noticed any changes way before your anecdotal observations.
Repeat - the Earth is NOT "wobbling" - stop saying this nonsense and get yourself together. Nothing special is going to happen in December 21st or 2012 or whatever.
Really - GET IT TOGETHER - and BE REAL. Stop talking complete nonsense.
MilleHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on October 12, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
TechStuf:
Putting religion aside because I have no interest in discussing it - the Earth is NOT "wobbling" period. It is stable as it rotates about its axis except for minor variations of one or two centimeters because of ice sheets melting, etc. When the ice sheets grow back the minor variation is reversed. All of this happens because the angular momentum of the Earth has to be conserved, just like a spinning top.
Tens of thousands of amateur astronomers would have noticed any changes way before your anecdotal observations.
Repeat - the Earth is NOT "wobbling" - stop saying this nonsense and get yourself together. Nothing special is going to happen in December 21st or 2012 or whatever.
Really - GET IT TOGETHER - and BE REAL. Stop talking complete nonsense.
MilleHigh
PRECESSION, check your hallowed wiki before you post from your ivory tower of wiki gleaned knowledge...
are you suggesting that the earth is not subject to local torque due to the gravity of the sun and moon acting upon the earth’s axis? or suggesting that the earth's axis of rotation is its axis of symmetry? do you have any EVIDENCE to support either?
repeat - PRECESSION, LOOK IT UP DUMB ASS. leave your armchair junk science at home please.
get it together and quit with 'i know everything' act, it makes you look like a douche bag.
and stop talking armchair experimenter nonsense as usual.
that was a nice burn you got from zero tensor... ;)
Right - what is it - every 26,000 years the Earth unergoes one full cycle of PRECESSION?
But we are not talking about that at all Wilby, you are just desperately looking for an 'opening.' Stop being such a spinner.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on October 12, 2009, 12:47:41 PM
Right - what is it - every 26,000 years the Earth unergoes one full cycle of PRECESSION?
But we are not talking about that at all Wilby, you are just desperately looking for an 'opening.' Stop being such a spinner.
MileHigh
you didn't say anything about time constraints or any of the like. you said, and i quote:
Quote from: MileHigh on October 12, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
- the Earth is NOT "wobbling" period. It is stable as it rotates about its axis except for minor variations of one or two centimeters because of ice sheets melting, etc. When the ice sheets grow back the minor variation is reversed.
or are you denying you said that? you did say 'not wobbling. period' did you not? i think it's clear that you were pretty emphatic that the earth is not wobbling... period. furthermore, your 'minor variations' you attribute to ice sheets. did you forget about the gravitational pull of the sun and moon? i suppose it's easy to forget about both up there in your ivory tower buried under all that wiki knowledge...
so buck up little camper and ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG.
i think it is amusing. you the guy talking about laser interferometers and what a 2 weeks physics student should know and here you are in your ivory tower surrounded by your wiki-gleaned knowledge and somehow you missed/forgot about precession...
spinner? wtf are you talking about? you're the one spinning. and squirming and twisting... as usual.
you didn't answer either of my questions in your last post...
About that smashing things on the moon... .. anyone considered that they are not exploring something... but they are destroying something?
Now India, China and other countries has joint the spacerace... The Americans might have some "cleaning up" to do before the rest arrives...
http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted
http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html
http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/polarmotion/2006_wobble_anomaly.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earthrv9.htm
http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/earth’s-axis-has-changed-›-create-new-post-â€"-wordpress/
Come December 21st this year, who are many going to believe, party line establishment 'science', or their own eyes?....That is the question.
http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/studies/online/daysofnoah.htm
Yahweh bless you, dear readers, in Yeshua
may logic and reason bless your mind and soul so that you may forsake your fairy tale and rejoin the rest of us here in reality...
All sorts of assumedly logical and reasonable realities come and go all the time. Others are more permanent.
Many a 'fairy tale' has permanently changed the 'realities' of the masses.
Some of those, came at great cost to those unprepared.
Even the 'primitive' Eskimo get the picture....
http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted
While truth is, ultimately, the distillation of fact, all too often reality is the fermentation of fantasy.
Blessings in Yeshua
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earth243.htm
Read Isaiah 24:20
Get Pics/video of where the sun rises/sets on Dec. 21
Blessings in Yeshua
Howcome there is no hard data to be found on such an axis shift, if it's been there for years now?
I tried a search, but even in my own (less governmental suppression sensitive) language, I was unable to find a-ny-thing. Yet, I tend to trust personal accounts that in certain parts of the world, the sun is more North than to be expected. Should others not experience the opposite?
Is there no-one on earth logging sun rises and paths? Does no-one have to adjust his telescope further than usual to get some stars in sight?
Frustrating, without data is hard to get a media campaign started :-)
You should check on the news of the river Euphrates drying up then check to see what Revelations got to say about that. But don't panic. Everything is under control.
Yeah, that "Euphrates river" bottom's been crusty for a while now.
As for the media blackout on the Sun rise/set anomaly, what else is new. Hellyweird's been putting out movies that analogize their plans before they implement their heinous crap, for years now. A way of warning their kind, I guess. See "hollywood's war on God".
Cloxxki, one reason you see very little hard data, other than the small but meaningful amount that exists, is that mostly, people notice, tell a friend and go on about their lives as if nothing is happening. Call your local meteorologist about the fact that the seasonal tilt appears to have appreciably widened, and he will not divulge, for his job, (in the least) is on the line. I long ago checked with mine about Chemtrails, and they have their heads so far up the devil's heiny, they no longer know what oxygen is, much less care about people dying as a result of toxins, poisons, drugs, and pathogens being sprayed on them. Status Quo minions....living in abject fear and denial.
Come Dec. 21, get your camera out and get video on rise and set line of site, pereferably with landmarks in view, First thing you'll think of is the old frog in the pot scenario, how easily things can change without your notice. Perhaps even well before Dec. 21, you'll begin to see how strange the sun appears to rise and set so far south.
Regarding aerial spraying, they've gotten pretty sly about how they do my area, used to be they'd spray over the whole town, now, in the early morning hours, while still dark, every few nights or so, they send a small single engine plane to dive low over the house, to spray their crap. My family has been battling one infection after another for years, since they've been spraying. And there are lots of families in my predicament. I've got quite a little archive of pics and video. God bless 'em.
But a little 'bird' tells me, kings and their armies have their days shortly numbered. This earthly test we're taking, will be completed soon enough.
God bless
Didn't want to resurrect this thread, but just stumbled across this - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/14/science/14moon.html?_r=1 Seems they did find water, and lots of it.
Edit- Didn't see the other thread there either.