" Dr Frale asserts in a new book, The Shroud of Jesus the Nazarene, that computer enhancement enabled her to detect the archaic script, which appears on various parts of the material. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6617018/Jesus-Christs-death-certificate-found-on-Turin-Shroud.html
Nobody has been able to detect Obama's 'Birth Certificate' yet though.
Hey...maybe its its written somewhere on the reverse side.
Regards...
America's problem doesn't seem to be who pass the birth certificate test, but whom the people end up voting for. Promises forgotten after election, standard practice. Fake power, fake intentions. 2 crooks (crook muppets) in a row you've elected now, the first one twice. Bill at least wasn't picking wars, and the dollar was stron under his leadership. Don't you guy have a system to make sure good candidates make it to the party representation? You've got so few parties already, choices A and A-men.
About the Shroud. They are starting to find it's a better forgery than before understood. Still, the carbon ageing method is hard to be fooled.
I've read so much pro and con on the shroud, the only thing clear is that man cannot be trusted...therefore solid proof is needed.
For me, I'm waiting for more info.
I think the Obomba cat is outa the bag tho.
All governments are owned and controlled...its big bizznus as usual.
Regards...
through out the history of this shroud there was never any documentation of any blood or ancient DNA that I recall. why is that?
the picture on the shroud clearly shows where Jesus was punctured in his ribs yet there is no blood contamination, just applying a specific band of UV light would clearly indicate Iron contamination from old blood, there's none that has been documented.
the only thing documented was flour contamination. even the flour would of been contaminated let alone the linen.
it was classified as a hoax because it clearly showed no evidence supporting contamination of bodily fluids what so ever.
When superstition is strong enough it is stated as a fact, even more so than the real facts. terrible shame.
send it to a top forensic lab and then the real data just pops out into ones face.
It seems to me that the body would have long stopped bleeding before the 'shroud stage' of internment.
It would also follows that the body would have been washed before wrapping.
Regards...
Quote from: Cap-Z-ro on November 22, 2009, 01:36:27 PM
It seems to me that the body would have long stopped bleeding before the 'shroud stage' of internment.
It would also follows that the body would have been washed before wrapping.
Regards...
in forensics, you can brush a cloth against a washed and scab wound, take that cloth put it under a special UV light designed to show Iron contamination under a powerful microscope, even the slightest trace of Iron would be spotted, the Iron stains would remain for thousands of years in a cloth that is so well preserved.
let a forensics lab conduct a criminal investigation on the shroud, they will prove whether it was real or not when they start matching chemical analysis on their scopes.
Jerry 8)
If you go back and check the article, I believe they did locate some blood trace material, and are currently conducting tests.
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in the number 2 article it talks about the 'replication' of the shroud having bodily fluids but there is no mention of the original shroud having bodily fluids
recorded, this leaves one to 'assume' their was bodily fluid. another assuming tool of superstition, as long as it is not entirely proved wrong people will still believe in something false.
imagine how much power one can have in the medieval times when people actually believed you had the shroud of Christ in your house or castle. another tool to put fear of God in peoples minds that you reign with the power of Christ.
I do believe Christ was real but I do not believe the shroud is real evidence of him walking or dying on this planet. since Jesus cloak was so famous why didn't anyone keep that for prosparity and preservation. not even a sandal, no hairs.
hair can be found on ancient mummies and their cloth rap from Egypt buried 6000 years ago, woolly mammoths 50,000 years ago.
a full out murder investigation on the shroud would solve all this, not some small time wanna be scientist that actually works for the vatican.
they don't want it to be proven entirely wrong because it is like losing your best wrench for all the nuts out there.
And what happens when they prove the shroud of turin to be a genuine article? ..will it prove or disprove his resurection or just that he died ...the bible suggests both, the cloth suggests one.
It proves nothing either way; do they have some other source of Christ's blood that we don't know about to prove it true? ..this all goes nowhere. AFter all, they call it the shroud of turin, of the shroud of Jesus, etc.
hi everyone gooday ;D
For me the good news is there is Jesus who died for my sins in the cross and arose again in three days.
in that sense we have hope in JESUS.
The Bible is the only thing that we can lean on, so you have to read the bible to know JESUS
God Bless
otits
He's late!
Personally, I am awar that all 'scripture' is man made, and must be looked upon with scrutiny.
I am puzzled however, that no one can replicate the the visual effects of the shroud.
The shroud remains an unexplained mystery to me.
Regards...
i try to avoid this chat ... im sure ya know why ...
any how i saw the article .. the thing that cought my intrest is 1978.... somthing was written on it in 78... or about 78... hummmm
bet that makes you think ;)
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Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on November 22, 2009, 03:55:05 PM
in the number 2 article it talks about the 'replication' of the shroud having bodily fluids but there is no mention of the original shroud having bodily fluids
recorded, this leaves one to 'assume' their was bodily fluid. another assuming tool of superstition, as long as it is not entirely proved wrong people will still believe in something false.
imagine how much power one can have in the medieval times when people actually believed you had the shroud of Christ in your house or castle. another tool to put fear of God in peoples minds that you reign with the power of Christ.
I do believe Christ was real but I do not believe the shroud is real evidence of him walking or dying on this planet. since Jesus cloak was so famous why didn't anyone keep that for prosparity and preservation. not even a sandal, no hairs.
hair can be found on ancient mummies and their cloth rap from Egypt buried 6000 years ago, woolly mammoths 50,000 years ago.
a full out murder investigation on the shroud would solve all this, not some small time wanna be scientist that actually works for the vatican.
they don't want it to be proven entirely wrong because it is like losing your best wrench for all the nuts out there.
For information on the Shroud, go to this website, http://www.shroud.com/papers.htm
One article of interest I found there is titled "An Autopsy of the Man of the Shroud", written by Robert Bucklin, M.D., a forensic pathologist