Have a look at this selfrunning E-light :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLI0tDd7NnY
He claims, that it recharges also the drive battery and also the charge battery !
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan,
It is gadgetmall. He posts in the Jule Thief and the "Ultracaps tested for excess energy" thread.
Alex.
Stephan . It is patented and i cannot release the circuit , I have sold over 170 E-Lights that run leds and charge a second battery . The Video i made is a unique one it is the only one of its kind . it does not use my Patened E-light technology . It uses regular parts BUT it was a MISTAKE i MADE PLAYING AROUND WITH JOULE THIEFS . So i put it in one of the lights i used for my E-lights . I am going to patent this circuit as well so i will not be releasing it to the public but offering it to manufactures yext year after i secure the patent. . It was just to show how easy an overunity device is to make with a joule thief ! the one in the picture charges its run battery and its charge battery . I will prove Ou with My aa powered heater /light circuit . I gave it freely and its not patented . Alex and i will show you and the world to the best we can to make one . The Self running light is made with standard parts . this Video was made for milehigh but he is not convinced nor does he believe in Ou or free energy . I don't know why he is a member here if he is not an experimenter . the light you see in the video has been running in my bedroom for months and i decided to show it and expose other forms of ou i have found . You know i claimed Ou with my bedini projects . and with the heater circuit . I have a few more surprises left . Now that i know what is involved in mastering self running by Mistakes i can make anything self run . This will Change the world as we know it . I am glad you like my video . It took Hous and hours to upload it on dial up . the Video I am making for you cannot be uploaded because it it too long so i will be mailing it to you the first of the year when the holidays settle down and Groundloop and i work out the replications before officially entering the contest . Right now i just reserved the spot in your contest . I promise you will receive a more professional entry later on along with you video of a BCap charging a BCap instead of a battery charging a bcap . You will be just as amazed at that as you were seeing my selfrunning elight .
Albert
AKA 4christonly1
Quote from: gadgetmall on December 19, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
Stephan . It is patented and i cannot release the circuit , I have sold over 170 E-Lights that run leds and charge a second battery . The Video i made is a uniuque one it is the only one o fits kind . it does not use my Patened E-light technology . It uses regular parts BUT it was a MISTAKE i MADE PLAYING AROUND WITH JOULE THIEFS . So i put it in one of the lights i used for my E-lights . I am going to patent thois circuit as well so i will not be releasing it . It was just to show how easy an overunity device is to make . I will prove Ou with My aa powered heater /light circuit . I gave it freely and its not patented . Alex and i will show you and the world to the best we can to make one .
Albert
AKA 4christonly1
What i find funny is the fact that in your video you said it was the only one and now you say that you already sold more than 170, i miss something ?
wake up guys.
Best Regards,
IceStorm
edit: some more inconsistency. a copy/past from the description on youtube for the e-light:
"This Device Is unique . It Charges a second battery and produces light BUT it also charges the run battery so it is a self runner A true self sustaing light unit and
its the only i have with the Circuit . It is not in a diagram form but i will be
submitting it to the patent off soon !"
hello . If you can read it is the only one of its kind . I sell E-lights dude ! I have a patent on it . this is not My e-light . the e light i sell charges the charge slot only . / WAKE UP and QUITE TWISTING EVERYTHING I SAY! I have sold E-light all year long HERE . www.sunpowerwindpower.com .. I swear you are the worst kind of person there is! Yes you missed something . BRAINS !
This is a simple description from my initial patent of the eturnitylight i sold more than 170 units hand made and i have a contract now with Israel to manufacture them . so i will not be making them anymore but will be reaping the royalties from the patent rights i sold to them . Its still my patent but they will be the first true manufacture of my E-light . NOT THE ONE I SHOWED AS I SAID IT IS THE ONLY ONE AND NOT YET PATENTED BUT IT WILL BE !!
E-light Eturnitylight www.eturnitylight.com Device Invented By Albert R Davis on January 5 2009 Device to run from small AAA battery with Voltage from 0.5 volts dc to 1.7 volts primary and produce Usable Light and While On and producing Light It Charges a Secondary aaa Battery to Full Charge so when Primary Battery is Depleted you Swap Positions of the two batteries and The Cycle repeats Producing light again and charging the depleted battery over and over . This cycle has been tested by professional labs and can cycle over 10 times thus allowing used batteries to be useful rather than throwing them away . It will Charge Alkaline lithium nicad or ni/mh . IF we use rechargeable the cycle can be repeated indefinite .
They sold for 99 us each and i still have the ad up at my site in the gadgetmall kits link . I had bought the dot com site the first of the year to begin advertising for My manufactures but now i will use it to endorse litigants and promote information to other countries interested in putting my circuit in there enclosures . They are very useful for emergency lighting and i also sell circuit 3 Evaluation units to bonified companies wishing to evaluate My enhanced circuit . here is a few pictures of My Evaluation unit . In order to buy one it cost 299 per unit and i must have a signed disclosure sent to my lawyer which is notarized and sent back a copy to the partner plus a non refundable deposit toward $100,000 contract agreement for manufacturing right and the full patent to use . I also receive 15% royalties on every unit manufactured and also the units are sealed in glass and the circuit in all my elights are boobytrapped another part of my patent so any attempt or stress on the enclosure will break the unit . I call it spider webbing security . Its a process that i use for making coils in a spiderweb like fashion using micro thin wire and if attempts to try and break the encapsulate breaks 100's of connections and renders the circuit useless . have you ever seen a spider web and you know what happens when you break just one little string . the whole thing collapses . This is what protects my circuits . Once broken there is no way to repair it or back engineer my circuits :) plus there are no color codes or part numbers . here are a few pictures of many configurations i have in my business Eval pdf enclosed with an evaluation 3 kit . the entire unit is filled with Lucite and are very heavy and sealed permanent with the spider security system
THE END !
I must agree with something, i misread your post.
My apologies for that.
Best Regards,
IceStorm
Thanks for admitting at least you were wrong . The Free energy work i do is for thebenifit of everyone .I am not trying to scam anyone . I have my real name posted . I don't hide . and i tell the truth man . Why does everyone hate me ? I did nothing wrong but i keep getting constantly harassed for great discoveries . I guess i should have never posed on Ou .com and them no one would have anything to talk about . Its real and i am going to do my best to win that prize do or die !. I can promise you that sir icestorm ! Here are some E-lights that had some defects like cracked lens or i never finished them but they work fine and are bright ! . These are not the special one that is famous now. But these still charge another battery . I have Version 2 e-ligh tthat has a switch so you dont have to swap batteries . just flip the switch !
What is the patent number to the patent you have?
Quote from: hakware on December 20, 2009, 12:35:41 AM
What is the patent number to the patent you have?
If the patent hasn't been issued yet, what's the application number?
--Lee
Iwill give the patent numer when i file an unprovisional utility patent in march . I cannot discuss numbers or anything via internet . I lost My 4 gig usb Key . It containd all my information My patent my bank accounts . 1000's of passwords . It was a U3 device . If you have ever seen a U3 usb stick then you know it have all the programs your home computer has including the gui and its own programs that run when you put it in another computer , Well i forgot to password protect it . It i had password protect ed it then i would not be worried and the only option is forgot password , format . I am a Dumb ass i admit i made a big mistake . They can read my email access my accounts . I also have roboform to go and it has all my passwords and credit cards and even the My patent lawyers information to prove its me . This sucks as it was the only copy's i have except for the poor mans patent i mailed to myself unopened . I will figure this out and as i said i will post a patent number in march . I have a dead line of august before i lose the provisional one .
Gadgetmall is saying the truth guys I am a novice in electronics but managed to build one. I have leds lighting up with JT and a second battery charging.
It's true guys try it for yourself to everyone before criticising down an inventor.
Thanks to Gadgetmall and all the others who compensated in this.
Quote from: guruji on December 20, 2009, 04:34:47 PM
Gadgetmall is saying the truth guys I am a novice in electronics but managed to build one. I have leds lighting up with JT and a second battery charging.
It's true guys try it for yourself to everyone before criticising down an inventor.
Thanks to Gadgetmall and all the others who compensated in this.
guruji you may wish to measure your source battery voltage after about 100 hours of continuous running of the circuit.
@Gadgetmall
Hmm, let me get this straight-- you are selling a simple circuit partially developed by people here at OU.com that lights a few LED's and charges a AA battery which many people in the JT thread have already done ---for $99, then you have booby trapped it so that nobody can fix it without destroying it--does that about sum it up? Wow, you are quite the humanitarian. My newest JT light runs for a week from a few hours in the sun, has no batteries and I was planning on selling them for $6 per unit---with no spider webbing security, I guess your my competition, lol. To be honest I felt guilty with the $6 price and have been working to reduce it as many people in third world countries could never afford one. Did you know there are already free plans on the web for an LED light that will run for 6 months off a single AA battery?, the internet really is amazing isn't it?.
http://www.circuit-projects.com/miscellaneous/battery-powered-night-lamp-by-555-timer.html
Regards
AC
I measured mine two months later sir . my run hit 1.7 and i took it out because i did not want it to leak . Also . I am now afraid that i might be threaten reading some of the post and IF i accept money from Germany will i be held for treason ? will i be killed ? I am very concerned and did not realize what i have done . I am sorry guys but i think i better delete My videos and anything else . I do not want to be treasonous to my country . I am scared now for sure as some things have been raised that i did not think about . My daughter needs me . I will have to refrain from posting anymore about things that go themselves . I hope there is enuff information to help spread the word but i cannot be the one . no way will i do something that gets me killed . No way !
Gadget
@ gadgetmall
Quote from: gadgetmall on December 20, 2009, 05:25:41 PM
I measured mine two months later sir . my run hit 1.7 and i took it out because i did not want it to leak . Also . I am now afraid that i might be threaten reading some of the post and IF i accept money from Germany will i be held for treason ? will i be killed ? I am very concerned and did not realize what i have done . I am sorry guys but i think i better delete My videos and anything else . I do not want to be treasonous to my country . I am scared now for sure as some things have been raised that i did not think about . My daughter needs me . I will have to refrain from posting anymore about things that go themselves . I hope there is enuff information to help spread the word but i cannot be the one . no way will i do something that gets me killed . No way !
Gadget
People who accept Nobel prizes from the Netherlands are not considered traitors, why would you be? How silly.
Quote from: allcanadian on December 20, 2009, 05:12:59 PM
@Gadgetmall
Hmm, let me get this straight-- you are selling a simple circuit partially developed by people here at OU.com that lights a few LED's and charges a AA battery which many people in the JT thread have already done ---for $99, then you have booby trapped it so that nobody can fix it without destroying it--does that about sum it up? Wow, you are quite the humanitarian. My newest JT light runs for a week from a few hours in the sun, has no batteries and I was planning on selling them for $6 per unit---with no spider webbing security, I guess your my competition, lol. To be honest I felt guilty with the $6 price and have been working to reduce it as many people in third world countries could never afford one. Did you know there are already free plans on the web for an LED light that will run for 6 months off a single AA battery?, the internet really is amazing isn't it?.
http://www.circuit-projects.com/miscellaneous/battery-powered-night-lamp-by-555-timer.html
Regards
AC
E-light is not a jt . I developed it . and no i told you i have acontract with a manufacture who will mass produce them . Mine take a weeks to build ,tune and test and use a very expensive part You cannot buy the part It uses . The Video i showed is not My Elight It is a Jt it started with a jt on the table I just crammed it in one of my dollar light fixtures that i used for elights . The on ein the Video i do not sell and also i do not sell anymore E-light ,the manufacture will and they will most likely cost 30- 50 dollars . They run for months . There is nothing like them on the planet that has ever been patented . You see you have to get a patent search that cost a LOT of money before to can get a provisional patent .
Simply put My E-light system is not on the internet nor has anyone a copy of that circuit . Further more i patented the Spider wire protection to stop reverse enginering . I guess you dont like that . Well too bad. How long does it take you to make your 6 dollar light ? 5 miunites ? You use a common parts . there you go nothing special about you light that you cant buy anywhere else . Mine is self contained requires no external power , runs from dead batteries and produces light and charges another battery . Its no where on earth in public but me . Now anyone can make a simple jt and charge another battery . many have played with thta circuit . I think Lidmotor may have a nice circuit that will do that for so many swaps but he uses a jt . Ok the Video i showed uses a jt too but the difference is an accidental part configuration that causes the run battery to charge up and as a bonus this also charges the Charge battery . . Dont start a flame war . If you dont understand then just sell you stuff and leave me alone . I have had enuff and you all are starting to sound like a recorder . Flaming me for nothing you have no idea and i am tired of explaining myszelf over and over and over allcanadian . Have a nice Christmas . I 'll take 500 lights please . have them ready by tomorrow :)
@Gadgetmall
I cannot say for sure what you are doing as I do not know but what I can tell you is one battery can be 80% discharged with no voltage drop which in turn can overcharge another battery to the point of leakage. This is because a battery is a device which maintains voltage through chemical reactions, this is what a battery is designed to do --- maintain voltage. This is also why a battery can have full rated voltage at rest but not support any load current without dropping it's voltage because it can no longer ----maintain voltage, and it is essentially dead. If you really want to know the state of charge in your batteries do a load test to 80% of full rated amperage, this will tell you the real state of the battery as voltage indicates very little.
I do not mean to flame anyone and I can see you take any criticism very personally so I will leave this thread, as far as my light is concerned it means very little and I brought it up because I think your pricing is absurd.
Regards
AC
Quote from: xee2 on December 20, 2009, 05:31:54 PM
@ gadgetmall
People who accept Nobel prizes from the Netherlands are not considered traitors, why would you be? How silly.
It was somthing jarado said Xee2 that scared me . Will i be treasonous for releasing technology that could change the world if i am a us citizen , and sold it to another country ? Not the E-light i have that so its not a perpetual motion device in the patent but i am talking about the video i showed and the device i built to enter the Ou prize . If i accept money and sell out so to speak is that treason ? We are not talking about the Netherlands we are talking about Germany
I'd really like to hear Gadgets reply to AllCanadian. Gadget has really changed in the last few weeks. Originally, everything was going to be open source and a group effort. Now he is selling the group effort for $99US. Good luck. And now he also has patents coming out the wazoo.
Also, At first he was real happy (and others) to see that Paul was going to step up and use his time and expertise to verify one of his devices. Now, after Paul's measurements were posted, It seems that Paul doesn't know what he's talking about. I bet if he said that the results showed OU, he would be a hero to some.
Gadget is not playing very nice. Very Disappointing.
@Gadget,
If your new device works out to be as great as you say, I hope you don't forget about all the little people here who helped you along the way. I know I am not one of them, and I don't think I need to name them. You know who they are.
Quote from: MrMag on December 20, 2009, 05:53:46 PM
I'd really like to hear Gadgets reply to AllCanadian. Gadget has really changed in the last few weeks. Originally, everything was going to be open source and a group effort. Now he is selling the group effort for $99US. Good luck. And now he also has patents coming out the wazoo.
Also, At first he was real happy (and others) to see that Paul was going to step up and use his time and expertise to verify one of his devices. Now, after Paul's measurements were posted, It seems that Paul doesn't know what he's talking about. I bet if he said that the results showed OU, he would be a hero to some.
Gadget is not playing very nice. Very Disappointing.
@Gadget,
If your new device works out to be as great as you say, I hope you don't forget about all the little people here who helped you along the way. I know I am not one of them, and I don't think I need to name them. You know who they are.
Mr mag? Apparently you didnt read . The e-light is old news bud.It wasnt a GROUP EFFORT !! . Also Paul was the one who turned no i . I was perfectly happy with his results and i thought we were friends . He turned on me . See how things get twisted ? You dont even know what you are stating Mrmag. I am sorry you are not comprehending anything . E-lights are now under contract Mr;mag . Its not a Jt Mr Mag . . You have a nice Christmas .I have not Changed you all have and can't read or refuse to comprehend anything i say . Make your own free energy Mrmag . I will not share again i promise that ! . If you all dont want free energy then Ok . You wont have it . I will ask Groundloop to do this in private and forget i ever mentioned helping anyone . Ok . Gnight Mrmag Merry Christmas and forgive me but i have had quite enuff of this and now i will go away . You talk about some one else ok . I refuse to feed Trolls anymore . . Not that you are one Mr mag . I thought a lot of you but you are turning just like all the rest and twisting everything to suit you . .
@all
For those thinking Gadget changed , you are wrong , most of the work he has done is public , but he told us about the other circuit he came up with , but keeping the design secret for patenting , we had a long discussion about that and how it may be perceived , Nothing new here !
Sorry but , changing dates on event because they are now relevant that is News(funny how it sound like Jews) Business.
Gadget dose business the old fashion way , most of it is to help people , but a man needs to help him self also .
One may argue , since most of us are gone into give to others mode , no longer bound to the give to self mind set , but he is tipping slowly over to the right side . But stop the jealousy train , if you like those circuit there is plenty information going around , help your self first , the cost will far less and the gain , will be even greater .
If he makes money for this then there is room for more of us making some , Get busy !
Quote from: allcanadian on December 20, 2009, 05:45:01 PM
@Gadgetmall
I cannot say for sure what you are doing as I do not know but what I can tell you is one battery can be 80% discharged with no voltage drop which in turn can overcharge another battery to the point of leakage. This is because a battery is a device which maintains voltage through chemical reactions, this is what a battery is designed to do --- maintain voltage. This is also why a battery can have full rated voltage at rest but not support any load current without dropping it's voltage because it can no longer ----maintain voltage, and it is essentially dead. If you really want to know the state of charge in your batteries do a load test to 80% of full rated amperage, this will tell you the real state of the battery as voltage indicates very little.
I do not mean to flame anyone and I can see you take any criticism very personally so I will leave this thread, as far as my light is concerned it means very little and I brought it up because I think your pricing is absurd.
Regards
AC
Thank you for being Kind At least and its not that i take criticism bad its that all of the sudden everybody is hating me for one reason or another . and 99 dollars is not unreasonable for a device of that kind and the fact is i sold so many of them i stopped selling them because they take too much time and cost way more than any normal digikey parts . The part is non existent and not even on the market yet . Look up barium doped germanium and see if you even get a hit .
I accept your criticism just fine and you have your say but things are just getting out of control and i cannot even enjoy Christmas like i want to . So it is better for me that i leave this thread . You stay .
What a load of crap, The patent process is open, which means that there would be an application or patent number so that someone might dispute the work on prior art.
Going into a dissertation of you lost your USB stick does not mean you cant produce your patent/app number.
@ GadgetMall = Thank you for being Kind At least and its not that i take criticism bad its that all of the sudden everybody is hating me for one reason or another.
========================================
It's NOT you Gadgetmall. Try to remember there are TROLLS on this site that get PAID by Big Oil to cause DISSENTION and DISCOURAGEMENT so inventors GIVE UP and go away.
So let's all hang in there and NOT give in to the Paid Trolls!!!
.
Hi,
Gadget,
you make a pretty good profit of these,
if you buy these 3 LED lamps for
around 5US$ and sell them with just a modified Joule Thief circuit,
which also costs only a few cents for 99 US$ total.
Hmm, maybe I should charge you for displaying your URL advertise over here now ?
So, why do you patent it, if we are in a open source forum here ?
Do you plan to share some of your JT circuits that work ?
@Gadgetmall
Im not here to bash anyone and any criticism I offered was meant to help, I have got my hopes up on many occasions only to realize I was not taking everything into consideration and this realization was not pleasant in any way. I am not saying you made a mistake or are wrong in any way I am simply offering knowledge of things I know from experience, from the many mistakes I have made in the past. I would also agree that there are plenty of people who are being mean spirited very close to a time of the year when we should be giving thanks for what we have and maybe being a little nicer to one another.
Merry Christmas
AC
Sorry Gadget if I came off like an a$$. I didn't mean to. After my post I started thinking about it and realized that if I was getting the same type of post directed at me as you were, I guess my attitude would change a bit too. I still think your overcharging for that unit but hey, if you can sell them for that much, good for you. Have a Merry Christmas.
oh thats rich! "paid troll" LOL you guys actually read what you type?
Quote from: FatBird on December 20, 2009, 06:54:23 PM
It's NOT you Gadgetmall. Try to remember there are TROLLS on this site that get PAID by Big Oil to cause DISSENTION and DISCOURAGEMENT so inventors GIVE UP and go away.
So let's all hang in there and NOT give in to the Paid Trolls!!!
well how do I get on to there pay roll? I feel I am missing out.
PS some of us like to earn a living and pay our way. It must be a real bummer being on parole and wanted for skipping alomony. Must make trips to the local shops quite an affair. Not that I would suggest anyone in here would have those problems....would they?
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie (future Chevron employee?)
hey,
i found one of these on a eletronic parts website somewere
http://www.frontgate.com/jump.jsp?itemID=13363&itemType=PRODUCT&iProductID=13363&path=1%2C2%2C113%2C578 (http://www.frontgate.com/jump.jsp?itemID=13363&itemType=PRODUCT&iProductID=13363&path=1%2C2%2C113%2C578)
I hope that there is a lesson here,
Lets see if I can sum it up.
Gadget tried to make alot of money with some very good ideas .
He did makre some money but is now wondering if he has compromised the safety of himself and his daughter .,
ANY device that proves OU is possable puts the many billions of dollars of energy related profits at risk.
Does anyone think that all the people making all this money will just roll over and play dead when there profits are threatened?
If the company that is going to manufacture the eternity light now keeps a low profile , they probably will make it to market .
Once they get to market I would give them a month at the most .
If the eternity light is seen as a risk to current energy dogma there will be people studying the situation, people and companys involved
Once a weakness is found that weakness will be exploited .
Chances are good that the company trying to manufacture the lights will be stopped by something as simple as a bigshot making a phone call and asking for a favor .
We will never know how the company is stopped ......... but just watch .........I am sure that they will be stopped.
ANy one person or one company can be stopped.
Applying for a patant and making a bunch of money with a OU energy device is almost like painting a big bullseye on your back.
OU has to be a grass roots movement
It has to grow relativerly slowly all around the world
We can not afford to leave any country out .
We can not afford to get greedy because the greedy become targets of the super greedy,
I truly hope that Gadget wins the OU prize
Winning thre prize should open alot of peoples eyes and get them building.
Once enough people are building we will be unstoppable
gary
Gary:
I agree with you 100%! Great post.
Bill
Quote from: resonanceman on December 21, 2009, 08:36:00 PM
I hope that there is a lesson here,
Lets see if I can sum it up.
Gadget tried to make alot of money with some very good ideas .
He did makre some money but is now wondering if he has compromised the safety of himself and his daughter .,
ANY device that proves OU is possable puts the many billions of dollars of energy related profits at risk.
Does anyone think that all the people making all this money will just roll over and play dead when there profits are threatened?
If the company that is going to manufacture the eternity light now keeps a low profile , they probably will make it to market .
Once they get to market I would give them a month at the most .
If the eternity light is seen as a risk to current energy dogma there will be people studying the situation, people and companys involved
Once a weakness is found that weakness will be exploited .
Chances are good that the company trying to manufacture the lights will be stopped by something as simple as a bigshot making a phone call and asking for a favor .
We will never know how the company is stopped ......... but just watch .........I am sure that they will be stopped.
ANy one person or one company can be stopped.
Applying for a patant and making a bunch of money with a OU energy device is almost like painting a big bullseye on your back.
OU has to be a grass roots movement
It has to grow relativerly slowly all around the world
We can not afford to leave any country out .
We can not afford to get greedy because the greedy become targets of the super greedy,
I truly hope that Gadget wins the OU prize
Winning thre prize should open alot of peoples eyes and get them building.
Once enough people are building we will be unstoppable
gary
Well, I fully agree with your post with one remark: it would hold true if the original device was OU.
But for the case here, I’d sum it up “slightly†different:
1. The device is not OU. (If it was OU it would run on caps, remember? OU would then have been long proved beyond any doubts.)
2. The inventor knows his device is not OU but he plays naively. (If he does not know it, he is dumb, which is clearly not the case. The other only way is the environment is so RF polluted a LED with a piece of wire will light up â€" but that case, which I consider very improbable, is also on the burden of the inventor to investigate. Nevertheless, excuses, invoke of MIBs and fear and ultimately withdraw from the path is part of the game at this stage.)
3. A whole forum was exploited and manipulated for profits. (But if that’s ok with Stefan so be it.)
4. Don’t believe everything you read and see, especially on the internet. Ask for proofs. Indirect proofs may work too (certification from independent testers or even friends or witnesses; running from caps; in-out measurements conducted on a “black-box“ approach etc. etc. Point is there are countless ways of providing proofs and to divulge absolutely nothing!)
5. When a man has to make for a living, some things are excusable while others are not…
Cheers,
Tinu
@Tinu,
1. There is no way to categorically state that his circuit setup is OU or not without
testing the circuit. I plan to test the circuit setup.
2. The inventor got fear and was driven away by the share volume of shit thrown at him
by people on this forum.
3. It is pure speculation to say that a whole forum was exploited and manipulated for
profits.
4. Agree.
5. Again, I agree, but what does this have to do with the said inventor?
Groundloop.
@ Groundloop,
1. I say that putting a cap in and a cap out is a simple thing to do and that hasn’t been done, despite its simplicity, for a certain reason. The only reason I see for not doing that test is the device is not OU.
2. Shit was indeed thrown at him but no more than in other cases of unsubstantiated claims. The selfrunning E-lights was just the latest and the biggest one. (I can recall another one basically stating that a jt is over 99% efficient but there are more alike.)
3. “A whole forum†was an exaggeration used to make a point. My apologies. I rephrase: advertisement for a site selling various items was involved in the whole process. Advertisement in itself is not a bad thing but in conjunction with unsubstantiated ground-shaking-wanna-be claims, I think it’s highly misleading and unfair for any potential buyer. I do not feel comfortable as a member of a forum that agrees (even tacitly) with such practices.
5. He admitted it by himself in at least a couple of relatively recent posts.
Best regards,
Tinu
@Tinu,
In one of his posts he stated that he had tested the setup with a charged
bcap on the input and then he fully (2,6 volt) charged an bcap on the output.
In general, using a capacitor instead of a rechargeable battery is not a good idea.
A capacitor has a very low internal DC resistance when empty and a relative
high internal DC resistance when fully charged. A rechargeable battery is the opposite,
high DC resistance when empty and low DC resistance when charged. Also, in a
capacitor you loose half the energy when you charge it. That way is it also
called a condenser. In a rechargeable battery you lose approx. 10% energy when
you charge it.
A standard JT is not over unity and he never said that in any posts. And no, the shit
trowing was indeed much worse than in other cases I have seen on this forum. People
did not even wait for a independent replication of the circuit. I have stated, and I will
state it again, I will replicate and test this circuit and will honestly report any findings,
being negative OU or positive OU. But people did NOT have the patient to wait for that.
Instead a barrage campaign of negative postings started, that, in my opinion, was
there for one reason only, get this person off the forum as fast as possible.
Free energy researchers has been advertising products and other stuff as long as I have
been a member on this forum. In no posts from the said inventor can I find evidence for
illegal advertising. I see no problem here, and the forum owner did not object.
Unsubstantiated ground-shaking-wanna-be claims is your opinion. From what I read
there was only free energy claims. And what is wrong with that? This is a
free energy forum and one should expect free energy claims to be made.
What he said was the he did sell some home made LED lights. What is wrong with that?
If a customer want to buy some battery powered led lights, then fine with me. If the
customers are happy with the lights, then what could be better?
I think the bottom line here is that all he did was to try to promote free energy. I also
believe he intentions was to share as much of his inventions as he could. My impression
of Gadget is that he is dedicated researcher of free energy and he did not deserve the
treatment he got from some people at this forum.
Best regards and season greetings,
Groundloop.
@ Groundloop,
I wish we had more members like you…
I’ll be short as it is already late here and my internet connection is very poor for some reason.
I look forward with much interest to read about your tests conducted on the OU device (E-lights); hopefully you’ll have enough information to build and/or test and ultimately to cut the story one way or the other. I also hope that I’ll have to apologize to you, Gadget and others.
Regarding caps, I consider jt as quite a good isentropic device although it did not result so from my previous posts. Getting closer to ideal isentropy depends, of course, of many factors but I could easily get 77-78% efficiency which is not bad for basic components and mild optimization. From those experiments I’ve learn how difficult is to increase efficiency after some point and I also know 99% is practically non-attainable, hence my (over)reaction…
I also appreciate another point you’ve made. See, I was expecting to hear OU claims mostly everywhere without disturbing me much, but not inhere. By mostly everywhere I mean other sites, newspapers, TV, movie tubes and so on. On a site like this, which is imho the most important free OU site in the world, my expectations were to read about serious claims, just because or exactly because it is the main voice in the field. Well, I now consider your views be more applicable and appropriate. I regret it but at least I’ll live longer and happier. Thanks!
I also agree that it was maybe too much on the subject and that the treatment Gadget got here was too harsh. I’d like to thank you again for your future efforts that will shed some light.
Merry Holidays,
Tinu
Groundloop:
QuoteIn general, using a capacitor instead of a rechargeable battery is not a good idea.
A capacitor has a very low internal DC resistance when empty and a relative
high internal DC resistance when fully charged. A rechargeable battery is the opposite,
high DC resistance when empty and low DC resistance when charged. Also, in a
capacitor you loose half the energy when you charge it. That way is it also
called a condenser. In a rechargeable battery you lose approx. 10% energy when
you charge it.
Let me add insight in your comment about the capacitor's internal DC resistance. The capacitor's straight DC resistance to pumping charge into it is basically zero. The capacitor plates are conductors. When you look at a capacitor in a circuit and you charge it to a certain voltage, then the DC resistance is infinite, it acts like an open circuit. This assumes that there is a constant DC voltage across it.
What you are really talking about is the apparent DC impedance of the capacitor. The instant you begin to charge a capacitor sitting at zero volts with one amp of current the impedance is zero. If the capacitor is sitting at 10 volts, and you start pumping one amp of current into it, at the instant you start doing this, the apparent impedance is (10/1) = 10 ohms. If you keep pumping one amp of current into it the apparent impedance keeps on climbing as the capacitor voltage continues to increase.
For a rechargeable battery, the DC charging resistance is low when you start and low when the battery is fully charged. However, if you start to overcharge it then the DC charging resistance goes up. The battery shows excessive voltage implying a higher internal charging resistance and it starts to get hot because there are no more chemical reagents left in the battery to absorb the charge and therefore the battery starts acting like a resistor and begins to dissipate the charging energy as heat.
If you were interested you would might want to fully qualify a given battery to understand how it behaves in terms of it's charging input impedance and discharging output impedance over the complete charge/discharge cycle. I have never done this but I assume that the charging input impedance and discharging output impedance are always different because they are based on chemical reactions going in different directions. It is trivial to make the measurements but experimenters don't do them mostly because they don't know how and/or understand what they mean.
It's almost trivial, the battery charging and discharging impedance is just modeled by an imaginary set of resistors inside the battery in series with an ideal voltage source. The value of these imaginary resistors tell you how much the voltage of the battery will drop under load or increase under charging. So you just have to make a few measurements to determine the value of these resistors to know how the battery will respond to a given load and estimate how much energy is lost in the battery while it drives a load. The value of these two resistors is not constant, and is a function of the charge state of the battery, the temperature, etc. However, it is trivial to make the measurements to calculate the charging and discharging impedance values.
You don't loose half the energy in a capacitor when you charge it. You are mistakenly taking the example of when one capacitor is discharged into another capacitor that's empty and you loose half of the energy. In that example half the energy is lost in the wire resistance. That does not apply to charging a capacitor in general. A capacitor will store almost 100% of the energy you put into it.
With respect to Albert, he had a hard time because in the beginning he absolutely refused to concede that any testing needed to be done on his device. That goes against the whole spirit of open sourcing your design and the free exchange of ideas. I think that he has backed off a bit from that position. There is a real world phenomenon that can happen to anyone where you misunderstand what your observing and you can be so sure of yourself that you are not open to debate. Misunderstanding what you are observing happens all the time around here. Sometimes finding the truth can take a week, sometimes it can take a year.
If people get your board and run their own tests that would be great. If some of you have the patience and stick it out for the long run, then you will get to the truth. Some of the number crunching I have seen indicates that it may take months. The "standard test" is to trickle charge the ultracapacitor and then discharge back into the battery and start over. Paul Lowerence said that with a 2400 mAh battery it would take 22 cycles to empty the battery without factoring in the efficiency of the recharging of the battery. If you are optimistic and assume 50% recharging efficiency then it's roughly 40 cycles. Then to make it more realistic, knowing that the battery will start to slow down and take more time to charge the cap, etc, then it may take 60 cycles before the battery will finally start to look dead dead dead. That might take a long time to do. It really would need to be automated and I compliment you and your dedication for making the board and writing the microcontroller code.
The laws of thermodynamics will get the last laugh if you are patient enough.
Plan B for me is more attractive: Qualify the battery and actually measure the amount of energy in a full battery by running charge-discharge cycles and making measurements. Then run the test for six weeks and measure the remaining energy in the battery. You are going to find the battery will have lost energy.
MileHigh
@MileHigh,
Thank you for taking time to read my post.
I was talking in general terms and did not want to go into detail. My main point was that is is easier
to convert an high voltage spike to current in a low resitive load than in a high resistive load. Some
circuits will work better with a low resitive load.
Holiday greetings to you and your family.
Groundloop.
Alex . Check you Jt i am sending you out !! in the JT thread
Quote from: gadgetmall on December 20, 2009, 06:06:13 PMPaul was the one who turned no i .
Quote from: FatBird on December 20, 2009, 06:54:23 PM
It's NOT you Gadgetmall. Try to remember there are TROLLS on this site that get PAID by Big Oil to cause DISSENTION and DISCOURAGEMENT so inventors GIVE UP and go away.
It's been a few days since time to read these JT threads. The above is pretty sad. And it's sad that gadgetmall is still telling lies about me. Stefan said to stop it. I have quote after quote of gadgetmall making big claims about one of his circuits. Do I need to get out those quotes yet one more time. He's said how he charge the 650 farad bcap with only few millivolts drop on his battery. In one quote he said there's only *micro* volts. I asked gadgetmall for the exact circuit regarding his claims. I provided gadgetmall his quotes to be certain he gave me the correct circuit. That is the circuit I built. I used every part # he used except the core. He said a high permeability core would work, which is what I used. After making the only adjustment in his circuit, a 10K pot, the highest efficiency was ~ 55%. Within a week I'll have the exact magnetic core he used, which means I'll be using every part he used, same part #'s, and we'll see what the efficiency is.
If you think I lied, or I'm with big oil, then I challenge you to the truth. Lets get an anonymous 3rd party and have his circuits tested. I've seen at least two other people, plus myself, who have tested JT's for efficiency and they're all far less than 100% efficient. Why is gadgetmall making so many claims that he has not proven yet. And it's fishy that so many people are protecting him. IMO, if anything, he's being compensated by Big Oil.
Where are his self-runners? I'd be thrilled to see a self-runner, but I spent a lot of time building the data logger and replicating his circuit. Gadgetmall making $ off selling bcap0650's, trying to get me to remove my link to his source. Now I learn he's been selling circuits?
I have no problem with someone making $ off legit claims, but not when people think they're getting a circuit that produces free energy. I hope gadgetmall is very clear that what he's selling is or is not "free energy" or cop>1.
Here's an exact quote from gadgetmall,
Quote from: gadgetmall on November 21, 2009, 11:43:19 AMI have demonstrated over the unity of a primary source in the Jule thief thread . from an aa battery 2500mah i have charged an ultracapacitor to full capacity with only a few microvolts of loss from the battery 1.4 volt battery .
There's a quote of gadgetmall saying he's
"demonstrated over the unity". Also did you catch that, he said
"only a few microvolts". You see, those are the type of statements from gadgetmall that caught my attention, and there are plenty more quotes.
That's why I spent so much time & energy building the data logger, testing the bcap0650 ultracap, building & testing the exact circuit that gadgetmall used for those claims.
"an aa battery 2500mah i have charged an ultracapacitor to full capacity with only a few microvolts of loss from the battery 1.4 volt battery"So who's the one making the big claims while selling things here??? It makes little difference to me what you call me, but it's different story when gadgetmall threaten to send the FBI after me, and to post my home address all over the Internet.
Paul:
Please give it up already. Gadget was selling b-caps not his circuit ok? Please do not twist the truth on these matters. Please move on and let's all get along to find OU.
I will only moderate if I have to, please do not make me do so.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 23, 2009, 08:08:26 PM
Paul:
Please give it up already. Gadget was selling b-caps not his circuit ok? Please do not twist the truth on these matters. Please move on and let's all get along to find OU.
I will only moderate if I have to, please do not make me do so.
Bill
Where did I say he was selling a circuit. Can't you see the "?" And I asked because a lot of people in here have asked recently. Even Stefan mentioned gadgetmall's $99 gizmo. Stop getting so defensive. I clearly showed his quotes of claiming "over the unity" and fully charging the bcap0650 with only a few microvolts from the 2500mAh battery. It's pretty strange that you're still defending this guy, and trying to give me a hard time when I am the one who's posted the truth from detailed replicated experiments.
Paul:
"I hope gadgetmall is very clear that what he's selling is or is not "free energy" or cop>1." (Quote from Paul)
This quote above was after you claimed Gadget was selling those b-caps for too much profit. So, just selling a component is not selling an OU circuit, OK?
Yes, you did do a lot of work on testing and, I have thanked you several times and I will do so again, Thank you. We are all better off for having you done so.
I am not defending anyone here. Stefan told BOTH of you to quit this crap or be put on read only and Gadget has stopped and yet you persist. This is why I posted to you. That is not playing favorites at all.
I am just asking you as nicely as I possibly can to put this all behind you and to move on. This will benefit everyone including you. Life is too short for this crap Paul. We all have bigger and better things to be working on and, from what I have seen, you have a lot to offer to contribute to this effort.
I hope you receive this post in the spirit in which is was typed.
Merry Christmas,
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 23, 2009, 08:30:39 PMPaul:
"I hope gadgetmall is very clear that what he's selling is or is not "free energy" or cop>1." (Quote from Paul)
I'd advice you to reread that sentence. Key word is "what". I never for a second said he is or is not selling circuits. It clearly says that what he sells here should clarify if it is or is not "free energy." And it's odd that you left out the rest of my quote, "Now I learn he's been selling circuits?" See the question mark.
Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 23, 2009, 08:30:39 PMStefan told BOTH of you to quit this crap or be put on read only and Gadget has stopped and yet you persist.
Wrong, and my post even quoted gadgetmalls statement about me. Again, I come in this thread today and read this by gadgetmall -->
Quote from: gadgetmall on December 20, 2009, 06:06:13 PMPaul was the one who turned no i .
Quote from: PaulLowrance on December 23, 2009, 08:42:04 PM
I'd advice you to reread that sentence. Key word is "what". I never for a second said he is or is not selling circuits. It clearly says that what he sells here should clarify if it is or is not "free energy." And it's odd that you left out the rest of my quote, "Now I learn he's been selling circuits?" See the question mark.
Wrong, and my post even quoted gadgetmalls statement about me. Again, I come in this thread today and read this by gadgetmall -->
Paul, I swear I am not against you but I have read every single post you have made about this subject, well, like an old friend use to tell me, sometimes it is best to be quiet.
I hope to share and learn from you, Merry Christmas.
sincerely
Jerry ;)
Quote from: hartiberlin on December 20, 2009, 06:59:46 PM
Hi,
Gadget,
you make a pretty good profit of these,
if you buy these 3 LED lamps for
around 5US$ and sell them with just a modified Joule Thief circuit,
which also costs only a few cents for 99 US$ total.
Hmm, maybe I should charge you for displaying your URL advertise over here now ?
So, why do you patent it, if we are in a open source forum here ?
Do you plan to share some of your JT circuits that work ?
You Mean Like the 20 or so Circuits i already shared . I think I have earned My Way Stephan . Plus . I am not selling them anymore . Israel is . You can delete My Post in sales Please .Also I do enuff Google Clicks to feed you and your Girl Friend :)
Many Thanks and Have a Blessed Christmas Holiday and Good things are getting ready to happen to you and Your Site !
Albert