YouTube desciption:
All of the magnets oppose one another. The machine has been operating for two years. Some people say that since it uses magnets, it is not perpetual motion. Magnets do eventually wear out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZjNbjhxgt4
Very Nice.
Well Done. ;)
Howard
Quote from: wopwops on December 31, 2009, 04:39:45 AM
YouTube desciption:
All of the magnets oppose one another. The machine has been operating for two years. Some people say that since it uses magnets, it is not perpetual motion. Magnets do eventually wear out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZjNbjhxgt4
Perpetual motion is a red herring. The question should be: Can it deliver power? The design needs generating coils
or a shaft which may supply output power.
if it works, it must produce power...
Paul-R,
basically you are right, it would prove much better in the video if some pick up coils were feeding some LEDs but in fact the shown setup (if it is not a fake) already does work by keeping the mass of the central pendulum in a continuos motion, does not it?
Gyula
wopwops
Thank you for posting. I find you have done an excellent job. Have you tried to put a load on it, or is it pressed to run itself? Either way it still has a market for an office toy if nothing else.
Alan
PS. I think I will have to try this for my office.
Guys, I didn't build this. I just found it on YouTube.
wopwops
Thanks for owning up. It is easy to see a new poster with something new. We tend to relate these two thing together. But its a great find though.
Alan
so now you must build it and show us your device ;D
@ Wopwops
Great find!
Looks like the inventor did a great job of making it ajustable also.
I hope someone makes a copy of this one before he takes it down.
Bill
Quoteso now you must build it and show us your device
Well, I let Clanzer know about it.... As we all know, he's a bit busy at the moment.
It amazes me that someone would put all the time and effort into designing and crafting this unit. It looks very well built, like an artistic piece. Everything is clean, notice the levels, the wood staining, the polished metals, the grooves and fine workmanship. A beautiful display, but it looks faked somehow. One of the comments mentions the metal ball at the top (magnetic?).
It needs to be viewed openly at all angles, especially the top and underneath. My guess is there is a battery hidden at the top or down below.
This would look great in the waiting room of a large company. Thanks for posting this wopwops.
Perpetual Motion? This I doubt.
i hope there is no hidden power, also it does't work in vacuum.
wopwops thanks for posting, I sent the guy a message telling him about your thread.
cat
Those sheets being lowered and raised insde those sleeves. Supposing these have a magnetic repulsion take to perform on that hammer sized stack of magnets at the bottom of the pendulum, I wonder who they could slide with apparently no friction. The (for the viewer) lateral force would be signicant, and fulctuating, I would expect?
A work of art for sure. Yet, it seems simple enough for a Lego builder to replicate. Some thing are going on, but it's a transparent design.
The design has some features that vague came to my mind in bits and pieces. I wonder though, what the claimed reason would be, for it to work. The way angles between magnets cyclicly changes, perhaps?
As with all such contraptions, I wonder how much it can be loaded before it stalls, hidden battery, or no hidden battery.
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magic plywood
Quote from: X00013 on December 31, 2009, 05:00:58 PM
magic plywood
Hilarious.
There seems to be some oddities in the rigidity of the design... Strings? ..why strings?
Anyway, if it is working, then, there's probably room for error, since the device would be prone to excess energy and all, that is, if it is working.
In principle, though, the device would be capable of running asymmetrically. There would only be need of this one one side.. then it would make the sound of a heartbeat.
;D
I assume the lower mags ( all those black things ) are attracting?
Neomags would be a stronger source than those ceramics.
Hard to fully explain why this shouldn't work as shown...
here is a simple attempt:
(however it is a cool and beautifully crafted device)
Better get a link to this over to Donald Simanek to show him how wrong he's been for all these years....
hmm
pretty cool
so the top magnets repel, and the bottom magnets attract?
has anyone tried to check the length of each swing to see if it was slowing/ how consistent it was?
maybe the very first one compared to the very last
il give it more thought, try to figure out the weight ratios of the magnets then maybe someone can build it
Mr. Bo. , I think all the magnets repel.
Quote from: capthook on January 01, 2010, 01:06:21 AM
Hard to fully explain why this shouldn't work as shown...
here is a simple attempt:
as you declare the screw on top of the pendulum in your picture as a battery-holding unit. i think so, it's only to adjust the pendulum-weight for balance.
sorry about my bad english.
i also think so, all magnets repell. the two top-sets is clearly to see. the bottom ones also repel to give a kick to the pendulum for force it with more strength in the opposite direction.
I am sure that if the video was long enough you would see it slow and stop. Just like any other pendulum. This is just like any other video out here. Never enough info.
Quote from: mike-ao on January 01, 2010, 10:09:40 PM
as you declare the screw on top of the pendulum in your picture as a battery-holding unit. i think so, it's only to adjust the pendulum-weight for balance.
Not saying it IS a battery/coil, just pointing out two ways it might be fudged.
Look at his other video he has posted of a homopolar motor.... same size,style as the top of the pendulum. Might be the reason to have
2 magnets on the top levers (one on top and bottom)... so the coil inside the pendulum top can repulse against the top lever magnet.
Just some thoughts... not saying it is.
More info, details, vids etc. would be required.....
Again, IMO the force needed to move the upper magnets levers and slides is more than the kick provided by the lower magnets.
One reason that there are 2 magnets on each lever at the top is to counter balance the weight of the slide plate magnets. The lever at the top is not center, so it looks as if to need the extra weight to reduce the amount of force to lift the plates, considering where the fulcrum center is on each lever.
Magluvin
@capthook
Thanks for your excellent pictorial analysis. I asked many of the same questions.
However the simplicity appeals to me.
The biggest question you raised in my opinion is the magnet in the slide we assume repels, and you rightly point out that its force must be greater than the force it provides (the kick) otherwise it would not go all the way down. However it does travel at a fair velocity so perhaps the momentum is enough to overcome the repelling force.
The other theory is that it is not in repulsion at all and it orientated to pull the pendulum towards it with the repulsion magnet at the top providing enough repulsion to overcome the attraction. That doesn't make sense but without further information we can only speculate.
Mark
One more ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGXlUUzWjmU
Quote from: capthook on January 02, 2010, 03:08:40 AM
Not saying it IS a battery/coil, just pointing out two ways it might be fudged.
sorry, if i stepped on your feet ;D
but my english writing and grammar is not good enought. i also understood it the way that you're just give a possible place for batteries.
mike
Pese
What do you think of this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7YB7eiOeQ&feature=related
Oh, and nice to see you ;D ;D ;D
I hope all is well ,have a happy new year
Chet
Quote from: ramset on January 02, 2010, 11:11:41 AM
What do you think of this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7YB7eiOeQ&feature=related
A similar idea:
http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2009/05/12/perpetual-motion-machine-makes-novel-window-display/
Finsrud's execution, however, is masterful. Unquestionably the standard to which all others are held.
Tony
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Quote from: gyulasun on December 31, 2009, 09:02:10 AM
Paul-R,
basically you are right, it would prove much better in the video if some pick up coils were feeding some LEDs but in fact the shown setup (if it is not a fake) already does work by keeping the mass of the central pendulum in a continuos motion, does not it?
Gyula
Yes, but the momentum of the system, set into operation off camera, would be enough
to cover such a tiny load. If this invention amounts to anything, then there needs
to be coils feeding a load rather greater than LEDs, maybe a variable resistor.
Paul-R.
Something of this type would require a larger scale - in fact, it would have to be rather large, and then it might as well be converted into a Foucault Pendulum.
I've placed a new page, where you can follow my replication about this pendulum. for the moment i do only describe it in German language. English translation follows up, as soon someone will give me a little help ;D
www.mike-ao.de/pen (http://www.mike-ao.de/pen)
it's just to share the success or failure
Fun toy. Thanks for sharing.
i think the pendulum is a worker. but can it be sized up to produce a megawatt??? kinda doubt it.
anyone seen this one? Looks pretty good. I think I have the dimensions. If a trick, a damn good job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lXNpOnurw&annotation_id=annotation_239806&feature=iv
also this looks like a dandy
http://www.wseas.us/e-library/conferences/2007portoroz/papers/555-150.pdf
how big can a magnet get? how big can a magnet be made? i am really asking. anyone know?
joe
Quote from: mijdtr on February 25, 2010, 01:56:44 AM
how big can a magnet get? how big can a magnet be made? i am really asking. anyone know?
joe
there is no limit on the size of a magnet, see the Magnetron Star. A Star that has Magnetism so powerful and yet so very large!
Quote from: mijdtr on February 25, 2010, 01:56:44 AM
how big can a magnet get? how big can a magnet be made? i am really asking. anyone know?
joe
as big as you can afford?
google " how to make a magnet"?
or maybe "how magnets are made?"
you'll find the answers :)
the answer is in the question of your search? :)