I have in front of me, the CO2 paper from the Keshe (pronounced as "kesh" I think) Foundation. See it here:
http://keshefoundation.com/home.html
Sounds like this could be the solid-state, electricity-producing breakthrough many have been hoping for. Where is the ou.com thread for this one? I'm eager to see what other people, who have read this paper, are saying about this new discovery.
If you haven't yet heard Sterling Alan's interview with Mr. M. T. Keshe, please go get it now! (find it on this page)
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keshe_Foundation
Mr. Keshe wants to open-source this technology, and he says anyone can build these power-producing cells in their home, very safely.
I checked all the forum categories here and didn't see any that sounded appropriate. Will there be a forum for Keshe? There's one for a lot of other people, like Lutec, so I don't see why we shouldn't have one for Keshe. :)
Before you get too serious about this "Keshe thing" why don't you just google "keshe scam" and "keshe crank" or "keshe fraud". ;)
Quote from: crankesh on February 10, 2010, 07:57:50 AM
Before you get too serious about this "Keshe thing" why don't you just google "keshe scam" and "keshe crank" or "keshe fraud". ;)
@crankesh
wow, you were quick of the mark. Your first post in this forum and is this all you've got to say?
I took your advice and googled keshe fraud scam and it was no surprise to me to find the same people who think nothing is wrong with the swine flu have got their daggers out for Keshe.
I don't know if Keshe is scam or not but I do know a lot of people lack their own opinion and have to regurgitate other's.
After posting this thread, I read their paper in its entirety.
My own opinion, based only on the information provided from Keshe, is that this is a total waste of everyone's time. There is NOTHING substantial, or even remotely professional about their CO2 paper. Either misinfo, disinfo, or just a regular old scam.
I'll continue to stick to LENR study for now.
Quote from: MasterPlaster on February 10, 2010, 10:04:29 AM
@crankesh
wow, you were quick of the mark. Your first post in this forum and is this all you've got to say?
I took your advice and googled keshe fraud scam and it was no surprise to me to find the same people who think nothing is wrong with the swine flu have got their daggers out for Keshe.
I don't know if Keshe is scam or not but I do know a lot of people lack their own opinion and have to regurgitate other's.
@MasterPlaster
There may not yet be the correct term for what Keshe is, but surely he tells a lot of big lies.
There is not enough time for one person to point them all out.
It's hard to see the reason to connect swine flu and Keshe. Are you too lazy to check yourself Keshe's claims
or even WHAT others WRITE about them instead of criticizing who you think the writers are?
I have read Keshes BS book and checked his heavyly censored forum.
If you do the same, and still believe that Keshe could have something valuable to say, then by all means it's your life.
Hey crankesh you don't happen to be our dear Mr. Kumaran are you?
For the poeple that don't know who he is, this guy has made it a personal vendetta to paint Keshe and his foundation completely black on the internet. This person even admitted to have a mental bipolar disorder. He even used a fake American general name to approach Keshe and his technology. When he got caught red handed, Keshe gave him an ultimatum of 24h to meet him in person or report him to the terrorist crime unit for trying to obtain classified militarily information under a name of a well known general.
After his confession to Keshe which was made public he admitted everything and reiterated his mental disorder. But in matter of days he forgot everything and continued his baseless attacks on Keshe.
So people be very aware of what you read about Keshe, talk to Keshe directly if possible or you'll end up talking to disinfo clowns who want to bring him down for their own personal reasons.
I can't say I fully agree with all of Keshe's approach so far but technology of this caliber is even beyond Tesla, so it has to be handled both technically and politically carefully. He has many public events planned as soon as the next few months so all we can do is have an open mind and see what time will bring.
Quote from: broli on February 13, 2010, 09:35:24 AM
Hey crankesh you don't happen to be our dear Mr. Kumaran are you?
For the poeple that don't know who he is, this guy has made it a personal vendetta to paint Keshe and his foundation completely black on the internet. This person even admitted to have a mental bipolar disorder. He even used a fake American general name to approach Keshe and his technology. When he got caught red handed, Keshe gave him an ultimatum of 24h to meet him in person or report him to the terrorist crime unit for trying to obtain classified militarily information under a name of a well known general.
After his confession to Keshe which was made public he admitted everything and reiterated his mental disorder. But in matter of days he forgot everything and continued his baseless attacks on Keshe.
So people be very aware of what you read about Keshe, talk to Keshe directly if possible or you'll end up talking to disinfo clowns who want to bring him down for their own personal reasons.
I can't say I fully agree with all of Keshe's approach so far but technology of this caliber is even beyond Tesla, so it has to be handled both technically and politically carefully. He has many public events planned as soon as the next few months so all we can do is have an open mind and see what time will bring.
I think Kumaran's "mistake" was to ask proof from Keshe on his forum, so revealing "the emperor without clothes".
Keshe reacted quite aggressively.
So I guess your advice to speak directly to Keshe does not work very well.
Later Kumaran "scam baited" Keshe and Keshe followed him to the net accusing Kumaran of being a terrorist, who wanted to steal his inventions in order to explode "plains" as he wrote.
Yes that's exactly what fraudsters firstly want from their victims, open mind and a little more time to collect the money and then goodbuy.
Keshe's things really are beyond Tesla's. Tesla's are from reality, but Keshe's must come from somewhere between reality and dreams, that is from delusions. It is as if he had taken a few hard to understand terms from modern physics and run them through a "BS phrase generator", and there he got his theories.
Aside Keshe's "achievements" in science, most revealing about his motives is that he is selling tickets to spacetrips and moontrips in his antigravity spacecraft, which no one has proven to exist.
Then for the people who don't know what "broli" represents I link to here...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread484812/pg1
That suggest's that "broli" at least has something to win together with Keshe,
if not even being one of Keshe's many other personalities, of which you can learn more by visiting Keshe's forum.
Projected Dates of public presentations:
Asia : on 21.3. 2010.
North or South America : on 21.4.2010
Europe : on 21.5.2010
Africa : On 21.6.2010
Australasian : on 21.7.2010
We should know very soon if this is the real deal.
http://www.keshespace.com/ (http://www.keshespace.com/)
This is from Mr Keshes forum:
"I would like to inform you that we will show or present our technology on 23rd of Feb 2010 at John Hopkins university at 3pm in physics lab. This will be the first public show of our static and dynamic energy system and some of reduction in weight videos and we might show some lift too in this lecture."
Quote from: tomd000 on February 15, 2010, 08:28:49 PM
Projected Dates of public presentations:
Asia : on 21.3. 2010.
North or South America : on 21.4.2010
Europe : on 21.5.2010
Africa : On 21.6.2010
Australasian : on 21.7.2010
We should know very soon if this is the real deal.
http://www.keshespace.com/ (http://www.keshespace.com/)
by xxxxxxxxx January 19, 2010 5:14 AM PST
The Keshe stuff looks like pure scam.
Promotion for it seems to be all over the internet.
*If* he had a worldbeating technology, and demonstrated it on one continent in April, he'd get blanket media coverage instantly.
Why on Earth would a genuine inventive genius need to bother going to other continents in successive months to do the same demonstration, when he could get all the publicity and money he wanted after the first successful outing?
The only obvious practical reason for charging for tickets for multiple events is to make money from the tickets when you know you won't make money any other way (such as by actually having made a new wonder device that works). ;D
from here...
http://news.cnet.com/8618-17939_109-9794602.html?communityId=2008&targetCommunityId=2008&blogId=2&messageId=8922400&tag=mncol;tback
If anybody on the forum is suitably qualified and lives close by John Hopkins University maybe you could attend the demonstration. If it is a scam I am sure the type of people attending this event will notice.
"People from NASA and department of energy and other space organisations are there to see the systems and their operation for the first time and if you have credible qualification and can get admission you can see it too."
Keshe failed to appear for the SPESIF conference. He was too ashamed to do his scam in person so he did it over the internet. Lets see what happens for the 21.3.2010. That too wont happen. I advice people not to buy tickets to the demonstration. Its pure fantasy kool aid. This guy has not peer reviewed his work yet. Let him peer review it then you can buy tickets to his presentation. Maistream scientists do not recognise him. Beware. :P
Keshe failed the demonstration. He is a fraud.
The fact that Sterling Allan has interviewed him was all I had to hear. Has everyone forgotten the Mylow saga? Sterling swore that one was real too.
Bill
I e mailed Sterling Alan and he told me that Keshe was a fraud. He said Keshe was most likely running a scam.
He wrote
I've not seen anything, nor have I spoken with anyone who has.
I'm guessing that Keshe is just a crank.
So you see Keshe is just a crank. Confirmed from Sterling Alan.
Quote from: broli on February 13, 2010, 09:35:24 AM
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For the poeple that don't know who he is, this guy has made it a personal vendetta to paint Keshe and his foundation completely black on the internet.
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Keshe's "work" is total nonsense. Even an undergraduate student can understand it by reading his papers.
If he disappears from Internet, many people will save their time. I wasted mine with him.
Very true. i too was initially taken in by Keshe. That was before I asked for video evidence and was scolded by Keshe. He said he didnt have to prove himself to anyone. Now I know his work is pure garbage. It makes no sense at all. He promised to demonstrate his device in March and so far he has missed all the promised demonstrations. He is just a fraud.
Has the recent activity brought Keshe into a new light? Are there any confirmations of the work now? Is this spy plane being brought down without damage (slight) any proof. Who can answer that has reputation amongest us?
Nope . as of this date 9/11/2012 there is nothing to replicate nor plans . Just more delayed showings .. now it's December or Jan of 2013 . I have read his 4 claimed international patents . While i find the anti-gravity theory really far fetched and as simple as two chambers with a vacuum and hydrogen in one and neon in another irradiated with 18eV in a centrifugal chamber produced anti gravity with high UV light and heat as hot as the sun and electricity in the kilo joules and magic healing power that heals every know illness . cancer ,Alzheimer ,gangreen . this guy is making himself Jesus . It is convincing enough for someone to try it and kick themselves for wasting money and a piece of their life. . after all just a simple helium neon laser can produce 18.6 Kev of energy which is enough to activate his so called Caroline core. ..I know from inside info from NASA not related to Keshe that antigravity UFO technology exist as well as beings from outer space but i doubt keshe has it or is one . He has never shown anything other than a coke bottle copper battery .his latest promise is to release plans for a generator capable of producing a few watts . WHAT? we did that 4 years ago with a Joule thief running on 1.2 vdc . A few watts ain't going to cut it when he has claims of giving away all his powerful kilowatt stuff to the worlds people .and he offers us a flashlight ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBAcRbOkS6M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBAcRbOkS6M)
Maybe this will help ease your mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAw32du92Uw
One more! I like the car that looks like a car better, a wee bit easier on parking lots and you do not have to get dizzy!