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is the Alfvén velocity. If v_A \ll c, then v \approx v_A. On the other hand, when v_A \approx c, then v \approx c. That is, at high field or low density, the velocity of the Alfvén wave approaches the speed of light, and the Alfvén wave becomes an ordinary electromagnetic wave,End Copy.
The Alfvén wave is a lower freq than the cyclotron can make.
Cyclotrons seem to work as big magnetic fly back xfmrs.
Cyclotrons produce a SPIRAL electronic path.
That spiral word pops up ever where I look(vortex???what is a??)
I wonder how many MRI machines,lined up in horizontal row,running parallel,open ended would
it take to influence Earths magnetic field? Millions.
There are a LOT of Teslas of energy used to make the worlds largest magnet,etc,I would think there might be some other uses this magnetic coupled
energy could be applied (besides killing whales),
maybe pushing clouds.dust,smoke around.
Or build instruments to interpret the data as they
did to turn a cyclotron into a MRI.(patent in 1934
for cyclotron)As some one mentioned"it will take years to fully understand the technology that we have at the present"
I have two pole transformers a 14.4kva and a 32kva.Variacs of LARGE size, giant inductance chokes,Air or Silicone Steel,all the control circuitry used for Tesla coils thru the years.
Capacitor Banks,pulse,and power.
I can make a reasonable plasma 4 inches square from,graphite electrodes,open atmosphere.But
I think I am going to wait for warmer weather.
Dozens of MOT's have yielded me a few klystron tubes.
Thinking about beaming microwaves thru plasma
and try to get a picture with my (old)SONY DSC-P51,Digital still camera.
.Sometime within the next few weeks,this evening,maybe tomorrow.
Texas is having an unusual bitter winter.
As long as I'm sitting here by my heater and drinking a glass of milk,I'll just keep dreaming,I repaired very many crt monitors,I still hve 6-8 stored back (I know their innards)I kept a few 15' tubes for removeing the necks and implanting my own devices,phosphorus can be removed,I can't pull enough vacume to make a Fusor,like Richard Hull,but I can explore gas,frequencies and voltage,
endless variety of filament shapes,no tungsten wire but several rods,1/8' to 1/2'',D.
Plasma has many faces,stringy in plasma globe to brute force Transformer secondary(really the primary,wired backwards)ARC, four inch square,lazy,
almost gentle looking flame,but VERY bright.
Might be easier to put my electrodes in large microwave oven"sweet spot"or maybe NOT a good idea.
Moving an electron beam around on the face of a crt screen is easy,(Unplug Yoke,(all fine copper wire and ferrite)Large 4-5 wire Connector Rd,Black,Yello Green,AWG 16 to 12. from Board) )wire the horiz and vertical to right and left from stereo.The yoke does its magnetic stuff.To the crt.
The RGB guns should be easy to trigger,haven't seen any circuits on this,am sure I could make one.But to what end?Perhaps the permanent vacume pump and secure valves and maybe an accumulator,closed,Gas is cheap enough to rent the Dewar and refill,ONLY if experiment will justify it.(make it worth-while)Tubes used for this must be the ones Without the metal shadow mask,(holes or really small horizontal wires)
Question to those in the KNOW
Is this post getting close to being as long as GB's
(i love it!)"""""Theory of Everything?"""""
Durn,I'm hoping I DON'T hear a loose piece of roof tin in these frigid 40mph gusts?Oh lord,tell me it's not so!
I have only been at this post 4 hours.Somehow it seemed longer.
Schartzniger said "I B BACK
Strange:Lot of you guys from Europe,Germany,France but seem the same as the guy across or down the street.
(I had a monitor/repair friend that lived on an island with around 7,000 population.
He became quite well known.)
Sigh,,,Six hours(but I got that tin C-clamped down for now,long 14' ladder BARELY makes it! upstairs,
to boot!
A heater,dedicated to the feet is a good thing.
This will be posted on moderators approval
Thanks for listening to my rambling chatter.
This forum is the only place I know of that
such postings are put up with (big smile)
The TCML(Putman) list is a depository of all things Tesla Coil related,ONLY,,and I quit making coils when the first SolidStateTeslaCoil,became popular, (SSTC in the community)this one runs on 220 house mains only,became much easier and do-able.
Construction of and hundreds of per-cent SAFER.
SSTC's are geared toward EE's,of which I aint.
More than any of you EVER WANTED to know about Tesla Coil's.
Pretty much any kind of metal can deflect microwaves,correct?
a waveguide can be made from aluminum tubing,correct?I have some WSMR Radar stuff,,,,>waveguide magnesium,
As stated above I have plenty of controlling hardware,Variac's from 10A to 40A,
Microwave transformers can really bite.
direction of microwaves from klython tube??
Gotta go Google and take notes.
Comments/criticism/always welcome.
Joe in Texas
Alas I have been wrong about producing plasma with my current set-up.A sizable(larger tan the one I have) ballast is in need between variac and pole transformer;I am winding one now with 4 taps,roughly 12.5 inches long,wound with square military spec 3cm wire.A telephone pole transformer is center tapped ie:Amps can completely run away into the SEVERAL thousands of amps.At 10kv voltage.I will test again probably by Monday.
God willing.
Goal:
A continuous plasma between carbon electrodes that can run 30 minuets to an hour without strain on control,from household 220 60 cycle source.60 amp breaker.
My original experiment stands:
Shooting (for lack of a better word) at the plasma with24k to 10k microwaves into the plasma.I have found a suitable waveguide from an old radar (WSMR junk pile)Had it for years.
Safety issues:interfacing the klystron with the rectangular wave guide.I will try stainless steel
as the connector.
Welding magnesium to stainless?? I won't know till I try.I have pretty good skill with a stick welder.I have found a secret of holding the welding rod in my bare hand as I weld small,thin,unknown alloy material.If the welding rod becomes over warm,then make adjustment.Also plan to experiment (tomorrow) with possibly using solder flux,probably wont help,but again I experiment a LOT.
Focus of the MW into the plasma,perhaps a circular magnetic (hallibach?)array between the plasma and the klystron?
Perhaps NOT a circular but instead a rectangular focus magnet.I have one from aforementioned junked radar.
Point is I don't want to spray microwaves into the plasma ,I want a beam.
The 4 inch by 4 inch plasma is a given,I can do this,with no doubts.
What am I trying to prove?
No idea.Comments welcome.
If tomorrow is as spring like as today in central Texas,then the ballast will be finished,and tested.
The wind is 50 turns per layer,5 to 10 (undecided,3 at present)layers,I have plenty wire.,isolated 3/8" between layers. I have a silicone laminate steel core that completely fills the (rounded corners)4 inch square coil.This should hopefully get the plasma production complete . I hope.I have to have a comfortable stable 20,minuet plasma without too much if any electrical stress.
Still enjoying this really GREAT forum.
To.SPARKS:
I FORMALLY APOLOGIZE for hijacking this thread,instead of starting a new one.
If I was sure I could do it I would move these posts to a new subject line,Plasma,Microwave Experiment or some such.
Respectfully to ALL you other posters.
Joe in Texas
Moderator if you will remove all the crap above,I will start this thread,with
:Goals,Equipment layout,Plasma Creation Useing Brute strength approach,Plasma as a sheet,with a reasonable lifetime,roughly four inch
flame.square shape (4 by4 inches size),Stable,with 5 minute minimum,will be approached first.
THEN(I hope) a couple of experiments.
But first the Plasma.
Thank You Moderator.
Joe in Texas
added:the ballast being of considerable weight,and the wire for the ballast(winding by hand) the wire being verry thick,although it bends readily enough,is going to take time to wind.
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
I have 32,of 3Kv at 1uf,metal rectangular,teletype (military surplus) 6 inch high , 2 inch,thick, 4 inch wide. snubber capacitors,that I hope to incorporate into keeping the Plasma stable.These are connected(currently) in strips of parellell(plus to plus,minus to minus) with
1/2 inch copper tubing pressed flat and holes drilled in ends.
Moderator I have made extensive use of your services.
I intend to pay you back with,some interesting data.With pictures.
Thank you again.
Joe in Texas
Ballast almost finished.
This square ,AWG 8??,,is a hoss to wind.I have 50-70 foot sections,theses I solder and wind.
Last piece I annealed,,might help a little,,Tomorrow ,,,Test I hope.
I will test the single wire,coil to hold 50 amps,,,hope
the results prove me so.
Joein Texas
tired,,,5 hours,at it today
I consider myself a good welder but,magnesium to stainless steel (for a wave-guide) is a big NOT.
I can melt both metals but they won't mix.
Joe
Ballast Ciol finisged today.
I will test it with a heating element and lightbulb,plugged directly into 120 mains,
The ballast should keep my 40 amp house breaker from tripping,,and I can measure the amps in the ballast.
This is air coil,,,I will test it again with the laminate steel core,,4 inch by 3 inch ,12 inches long.
joe.
I produced a nice plasma in a microwave oven. A drop of water a piece of rusty iron wire in a loop and you can ionize watervapor into a very weird lamp. Blue white violet no red . Just the whole oven turns into a 1100watt light bulb. Very little heat. Just light. Only heat was from the ceramic plate used to protect the oven coating. It cracked upon cooling.
put a matchstick in the microwave, lit
thatl make plasma
ruins ur microwave tho
and you produce nitric oxide. I suppose we could burn the entire atmosphere changing nitrogen and oxygen to its acidic form. I think it would be better to stick with the water vapor.
Sparks,you and mr_bojanges are so much smarter than me that it aint even funny.
The danger involved with what I am doing is one mistake,death.
Thereby having to wind a (hopefully) ballast coil,
for a pole transformer running backwards-ie:the 2 ears on top become the secondary.
Thing is boys (I am 64),,,Ihave this garage full of HV stuff,,and when you are retired,you need new interestest,,ideas,,,excitements,,,Capich???
(Mehican for ,,,understand??)
Later on down the river
Joe.
oh:Coil (ballast) 000.1 ohm,,1.5mH on Sencore LC102
"Possible experiments with HV Plasma"
In the interest of keeping things clean here,
I'll just post a link and an idea...
Link - Plasma Speaker:
http://www.youtube.com/user/timetec
Idea:
Plasma for water dissociation for HHO.
If the first can make sound and It's harmonics,
why cant the second be done using plasma sound?
I mean other than HV and water not mixing well...
Perhaps a glass vessel with water passing through
the plasma field making 42-Khz and It's harmonics?
I like this Joe Guy!!
;D ;D ;D
Chet
I printed your message CompuTutor,,,,I'll have make some searches and notes,,,,flame speaker has been around a decade or so,,,I don't know the interface,,I will very soon though,,,,modulating a tesla coil is fairly simple and straight forward,,although Q,range is limited,,,,a thought,,,If the power strength (I and E )equal
volume,,,interesting,,, Then,,flame speaker bass and treble range,,would consist of adding subtracting q (frequency)??? I am asking.
I need a email address to send pictures to and then some one who knows what they are doing can post them,,,,on this forum.Plasma is going to be bright,,,sigh,,,controll is EVERYTHING,,,my Powerstat 9.8kva,,model 1296D 40 amp fuse, running by-passed, will not by itself, hold a 2 inch flame,arc, for over 3-5 minuits,,8 AWG square wire electrodes.Then I haven't got around (and hope not to have to) measuring inductance at primary load,,I don't do math unless I really really have to.I go with intuition and then multiply by 2.
Inline with pole pig,manyana will be my finished ballast coil,,,and we shall see what we shall see,,the Powerstat variac has several settings,,,and also I was going to check into power factor from mains,,,If putting a single capacitor parallel inline can help then I am all for it.
I am half way set-up with carbon electrodes,,,but I also have some half inch tungsten two and one half inches long,,tomorrow will be bare wire, the square awg8.
It still all comes back to handling the amperage thing,we shall see,
Some one mentioned ceramic paint inside the microwave?Then would a ceramic tube make a wave guide?? and what is so important about the rectangular cross section of the waveguide?
MERCY BUCOO
Oh i did discover anti-gravity,,,,that's when my a** leaves the seat of this desk chair,,I was drinking coffee where my wife worked,(many,MANY,years ago),she needed something and called Joeeeee,,,my Buddy said"Look a there old joe's got springs on his butt,,I think I'll call him Springer,,,and he has since.
ah well things to do,,later on fellows
Joe in Texas
Wierdness in ballast coil,,last night I was measuring
10 amps hapilly burning a very dim bulg,I noticed
while measuring that my digital amp meter was giving the same reading six inches away.
This morning my amprobe was dead.9 volts reduced to 3.4 ,,,,,bad.
Things like this are distracting,I should be powered up and flaming,
j.
January 08, 2010, 01:02:16 AM »
* Joe Smith started running off at the mouth,,,,,,,,,
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is the Alfvén velocity. If v_A
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Soapy substance and very long lived water found on carbon from AC current liquid cleaner containing phosphoric,experiment,demands analysis.(carbon is wet and slick after a month of drying in metal building hot weather).
My intention was to remove all foreign substance form liquid that contained phosphoric acid,therby resulting in stronger phosphoric acid
(I found a patent for obtaining higher percentage phosphoric acid,since I had ALL required hardware,I did the formula,but realize now the mistake that must have happened,,
Re-do Experiment
Wrong Conclusion was reached,
I am going to re-do experiment using tungsten electrodes instead of carbon,and obtain samples during boil off,,the liquid turned brown,,I observed tiny BLACK bubbles at the edged of carbon,,liquid became brown from carbon
SO,
I will use some of these one half by one and one half inch long tungsten electrodes,,,I was after processing down to a phosphoric powder that exploded upon water contact.I will have to purchase a thermometer.
.Fusion on hold:
Joe in Texas
Good Grief,Charlie Brown,,,
Not Fusion=off
PLASMA=on hold,,
WAY to many projects!
Joe.
???
http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/49714/Mu-Metal-Faraday-Cage
Interesting thread,,that,,,and do you see the similarities with this Forum?
Indeed
THAT (as Martha Stewart would say) is a "good thing"
I have replied there as a Guest as I am sure some of you have.
The problem is not with this or that forum but instead the sharing.Thank you for allowing me here.
I see other threads like mine,filled with ideas.Perhaps this, some day,will mesh with a newer idea.
My High Voltage brute strength PLASMA,thread,,has turned into the evolution of the material to make my ferro fluid.
KEEP um Comeing
Joe in Texas
I cant imagine the outcome of a cavitation within the field of a plasma. The free electrons would most likely drift into the cavity depending on the magnetic field lines permeating the plasma field. Then the bubble shrinks at a very accelerated rate. Often approaching the speed of light. The electrons have no choice but go for an inward towards each other ride. They create a very negative pole and sure as hell are gonna fly away as fast as they can out of the plasma. I forget how fast an electron has to go before it starts doing a little blue shifting.
What if you constructed two individual positive electrodes with common negative ground and alternating when one was on the other isn't , then formed them in such a way as to create cavitation between them in the space between, ..bumps, or what have you.
MY,MY, the klystron is not your"grandfathers vacuum tube"
I confess as to knowing very little about it,although,thru the internet and sparks reply,I am learning a little.
It has helped me to tear the klystron down to as few basic parts as possible,then identify the parts.The "cavity" is extremely interesting as is the "antenna".
The one I am looking at has an oblong glass tube with a large(1/16"wideX3/8" long)filament.
What I have trouble with is "direction of microwaves"
BUT: as I have said,,,,I am learning.
On a side note,,I have a 2-10GHz frequency generator.Out put is 2.2 volt RMS,,so about 1.5 volt ac.
IS THERE A WAY?,,,,I can increase this voltage to a reasonable level ie: 20V ac,,without harming the frequency (or the generator)???voltage multiplier circuits I understand,,just don"t know how many levels and diode cap diode cap diode cap,,,values
Could some one here take a shot at helping me with this??
>>>EDIT:3 HOUR POST,Question no longer stands
This is an old big heavy,Q gen:GigaTronics Model 605/2-8-4,,Config: 171
I think I might finish my day with
the reading of this quite comprehensible, manuel(spelling?),after all I have ran ALL the test it gives for proper setup,
Three BNC connectors AM-FM-PULSE
Possobilites????
>>>>1 hour later
ALAS,I find the
ONLY red writeing on front of The sig gen front.
RF OUT:TO 20 dBM, MAX,REV,,
>>>>Added 3 hours later,,found my db meter,two of these,glued to a magnifying glass lens,,hmmm
I see that I have a ""Synthesized""Microwave Signal Generator,,,the word Synthesized meaning "made up" to me,,,I could be wrong,any way,I will give the reading of this manual my entire attention of hopes to glean an idea of how it works.
Perhaps the 2.2V RMS is all it is capable of and there is no way to step it up large enough to use as a pulse,,,am I dreaming or will it be possible to read some of the changing out-put on my Tek 465,one hundred MEGA hertz,,,of course not,never happen,,HOWEVER my tek 465 easily showed the wave change for me standing outside the door of my new ,cement slab,metal bldg,24 by 30 ft,ungrounded,,Touching the door would evoke a change in the wave form on crt.
Probe set 1x,chanel 1,top black knob,hard left,,I Really like my Tek 465,,I have had better,but I will keep this one as I have repaired it a couple of times(I know some of its innards)Dammm it is COLDbrrrrrrrrrr,,,n==number of freezes times texas weather history,,this is the big One,kids take shelter,Just kidding,
,,,,I imagine I am like most here.If I find a Forum ,bothering me,I leave it as I did the canadian(?) Mars Forum,hurts for a day,then its over,I was there 20 years,whatever,
Good Night Chet,Good night David.
Joe in Texas
EDIT: I will print all of this crap and use the back for notes in the manual.
Moderator this is as always on your approval.
Feel free to edit,change or simply not allow.
I will stand by your decision,,after all,,I must be thankful of the privilege, of a possible(Very Smart) audience.
How can a 64 year old man take 5 hours to compose a message??WOW!!GOOD STUFF=Quite,calm peaceful Texas ,ambient 36 Fahrenheit.I have truly enjoyed visiting with you today.Barometer 103.6 kilo pascals.
Compututor,,,how do I hook speaker out, to my 32.3 KVA Plasma generation?,,,I would have to go up the electrodes with,low impedence,diodes,,,,I would think,,,Make it sound good and when it warms up(if ever) I will use my new ballast as I am thru testing it.I can see tieing a small container of liquid,in a fashion,to the electrode,and arc thru it.I am looking at your paper:
Idea:
Plasma for water dissociation for HHO.
(omitted)
Perhaps a glass vessel with water passing thru the plasma field making 42-Khz and its harmonics?
End.
I find this very simple (I hope),,,first thought is,,
will the plasma go around the glass or thru it? interesting,30 min max expt.We shall See.
.
Sparks,in the dissected,klystron,I see a voltage doubler,,,is this happening in the cavity?Do you understand my question?,,,as this could have been much easier done down stream(diode,capacitor) instead of actually "up against the wall" of the klystron?,Ah,Yes!
Talked myself into answering my own question!
Thanks Sparks!
For the gentelman"WithLots ofStars by his Name"
(started with a w) I like this Joe guy,I can't see how with the lengthy,jumping,subject to subject,,oh a joke
Question: Does your wife talk during Sex?
Answer:Yes she called from the motel.
The cb fanatics into shouting use 1000watt linear amplifiers. I dont know their frequency range but they were good for lighting fluresecent tubes from a number of feet away from the antennae. The really loud guys would string 1/4 wave antennaes around the backyard dump a 1000 watts into the string and bounce the emwwaves off the heated ionosphere. Simply called the skip. Get the same old severly weird people 1200 miles away drowning out a trucker looking for directions a 1/3 of a mile down the highway every day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9NvboKL43Q
Is this what you were talking about CompuTutor?
I can replicate this easily,,
What will it tell me?
The moderator might post a message I sent in reply from him
Sparks,,INFORMATION OVERLOAD,,no dis-respect,,just that I can't read your post at this time as I have ,,a BIG iron in the fire.
quickly:freq gen ,external connections,,I inch thick manual,,,schematics,,microwaves,,do you understand that I cant read your post till I have digested this,Sparks?,,friends??
Joe in Texas
Test Two Pigs
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae285/Judges_album/?action=postupload
Two Pigs,test picture
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae285/Judges_album/?action=view¤t=TwoPigs2.jpg&newest=1
Quote from: Judges on February 10, 2010, 03:45:51 AM
Two Pigs,test picture
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae285/Judges_album/?action=view¤t=TwoPigs2.jpg&newest=1
those look like fun, i am jealous...
Three more added,,,now to figure out how to make them show up here instead of having to use a vector
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae285/Judges_album/?action=view¤t=DSC00374.jpg&newest=1
Three more added,,,now to figure out how to make them show up here instead of having to use a vector
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae285/Judges_album/?action=view¤t=DSC00374.jpg&newest=1
Joe friend you wind that solenoid up behind the pigs.
So you saw it sparks,,,,(sigh),,,,I will have to endure the laughter and ridicule I'm sure upon receipt of said Picture.
Have said that (ramble)
IF(capital,if),,,My Sony,2.0 Cyber-shot mega,(ramble)pixels,
Point:Why even take a picture under anything but the MAX your camera can put out,,DUH?,,What's the point?
Rambel on,old man(note to myself,remove)
The link posted below is DANGEROUS,,,HABIT FORMING,,,please heed my warning as I have found hours,un-accounted for,,in front of my computer,THERE!!!!
http://www.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=62
DO NOT ENTER UNTIL YOU LEARN ENGLISH
kidding,,rambling,,rambling,,
Ballast/choke/solenoid(I love it!(tell it like it is,it's a railgun!!!
Nope
Crudely made,in a hurry to finish,last layer only,,the other,lower,layers,get progressively better,more uniform,same side up,square wire(military coated,UHHHH),,
I tried annealing the last 50 feet,and did so,I thought,,winding by hand,proved otherwise.I will have to admit I haven't brought it up to full(999999.percent,shorted)to act as a ballast,>>>>>opinion needed here<<<<<<of running a string of 3kv caps,parellel??(I have 32)
I ain't doing shit today,ice,then more rain.
I will send a picture or 4,of Ballast,Wound Under Extreme Conditions,Yes,I do take some highly suspect MEDICATION,,but
wtf,,,,,,,Its me and God
Soooooooooooooooo,,,,
Uh,
PigPen??
PigPen,,this here is Rubberduck,You go can back her on up if,you want to,back on down,around Omahaw,would be just fine,yo say?,COPY<<<you gotta copy??
or
Any body got a copy on those Long Haired Friends of Jesus??
driving a.Short Truce,Mic-row bus,?????their hauling Dynamite!!
Gotta Go,,camera comes on only in setup mode(JUST found out) change some settings and see
later
j.
Laugh,,,as you must,,the final lawer was admist adverse conditions(liken it to fighting with your yife,,the day after a big drunk),,,,,I had attempted,(but failed) to anneal w/acetylene/oxygen torch,,winding it proved otherwise.
Take this for what it IS rather than how bad it looks,I admit,,it do look BAD!
the next layer down is better,this square wire wound with the same face up,not easy,it its 50 turns per layer,,4 layers,,so 200 turns,BUT,,I have a silicone steel grain oriented CORE that I can
slide into this,,also i can easily magnetize(saturate able reactor) with 12v dc battery(or charger) (wrap some of the wire around it and connect ends to battery)
OHMS 0.0001,,,,i.664mh air,wo/core
Try not to laugh to hard,I am not the young buck I was at one time
cant resist:dum spiro pugno (sorry Wilby Hero Member,I just like it.)
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae285/Judges_album/?action=postupload
Sorry guys,,lot of that stuff is totally photographic,pathetic(NOT my coi) JUNK pictures.
BA<<<BA<<<BAD Up-Load
RATS11
and to boot its ice again
Joe in Cold Texas 41F degree,,(NO,don't talk nasty,the F stands for Fahrenheit,,,Barometric Pressure,103.5 kilopascalls,,Relative Humidety 69%
Driver :C W MaCall
Place:WolfCreek Pass,Colorado
Time: High Noon
It was a CabOver Pete,with a Reefer on and a,Jimmy hawling hawgs
or was it a Cab Over Pete,with a reefer lit,and Jimmy was calling the dogs?
We were headed for Bear on eye one oh,about a mile out of shakey town,,
I said,Calling all Trucks,, this here's the Duck and were gonna let the hammer down.
Well,we hit that gate doing 108,and I said Let them Truckers Roll!!
Joe in Texas
HELP,,their takeing over the asylum,,HELP! Help
I added some more images,,,,,firing it up later today.
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae285/Judges_album/
Decided to go with making a high temp furnace.
Big,LARGE,freezer,refrigerator,large to put fire brink inside,wall thickness can be 20 inches,ceramic,pig ear length,electrode.Two required.
I believe I would employ a Highly Reflective Barrier,primary oven surface,employing plasma and cubicle with ore/whatever.
The $$$$ is in the Cubicle that moves the boiling metal into a form,
I am not concerned with the form as much,as the boiling mixture.
Glass would hopefully be my first choice to start,as I have plenty of the old telephone-line pole insulators,green and clear in color.Also,OLD window glass,with light bends in it.
I would be interested to add things to boiling glass.Ferrite dust perhaps,I have a LOT of this,,copper shavings from the lathe,or for that matter any,shaving from the lathe,,, clean of course,and brought to a boil,before adding,,,,,should be possible to interface oven with vacuum line.compress and store gas,,analyze later.
And another question,,,how long does it take to boil your way up (or down?) to copper in its purest form.Or is this even possible??
Ah the Mysteries,I love this Forum,where mysteries are invented daily!
Cheers
Joe in Texas
I need to Google,temperature,electric arc,furnace and see if I can find any specs.I know what mine are,,,,70 Amps at 32.5kv.AC or DC,,,I think DC would be less,but can't remember.Might as well Google the price of a ,Cubicle for melting,Furnace.THAT will be the Go/No Go decision.
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS346&=&q=Electrical+Plasma+Temperature+kva+max&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
off to Louisiana,,kin folk,,I will miss you all.
J in T
I have 14kva and what I THINK is a good saturatable reactor,,,we shall see,when I am back from Louisiana>
Joe in Texas
have a good trip.
Thanks Sparks,
Back from Louisiana.Jena is still the same it has been for all the years I have been gone.Change just does not happen in Jena,Louisiana.
I have Plasma,but at the oddest voltage readings that only having measured several times,do I dare post it.
Voltage to variac with Two 120 lines; One 120V line goes straight thru Variac to POLE Transformer (pig)
Voltage FROM Variac(on the second120v phase of a two phase 240V Line,From Variac,to one end of ballast/solenoid/choke/reactor/, 200 turn 8 awg,4 layers square wire)to other Pig Primary
Voltage from 2, 100 amp,, fused to 30 amp lines,120V each,for a measuring of both post brings 240V
Top of Knife switch 240 volts.
Bottom of knife switch,closed,60 volts AC
Bottom of knife switch also has a center green GROUND wire,DIS-Connected from in-comeing 220 but going all the way thru controls and transformer to 8' pounded copper grounding rod..
The difference being in the grounding system I have Used
BEING:
One Pig Ear (14.4k tranny) Output HV,Grounded to Ground Rod.
Center Lug for Neutral on Tranny GROUNDED to Same Ground Rod.
Voltage to Pig Primary,,,17 volt=START PLASMA,carbon electrodes on fourth inch apart.(I can't believe I forgot to measure ac HV!!! tired.
Max Variac Output100% out = 60 Volts
Plasma is not plasma more a HF,HV,fast,, stream along parallel electrodes,,pictures tomorrow.
Late,Long Day,,tomorrow I will continue my GROUND System.
What I have done so far I will let stand.First thing in morning,
get some good Amp readings,before and after ballast,,which I
DID fill with silicone steel laminate,,seemed to make slight difference.All I can figure (able to be confirmed) is if it is due to humidity,temperature change.
Plasma ran for over an hour continuous,no heating,,slight burn
on carbon electrodes.After turning off,everything was instantly cool to hand touch.Much more testing to do tomorrow,and pictures added to Photo Stream.
The seventh day of April (birthday)and my sights are set on a NEW,,YOU-TUBE,AUDIO and VIDEO,,I am not worthy! But I will cherish this,,;>0,,,,,,;>)),,
http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Digital-Camera/26150/COOLPIX-S220.html,,,Then we will experiment.
Short List;1.Observe/Record Using different electrodes
2.Melting metal into a drip pan*
3.Push Plasma using Micro-waves (Magnetron
beam to plasma)
4.Moving Plasma with a"pinch spiral" magnetic
field.(pictures Tomorrow of pinch)
Sparks,puzzling numbers eh?I feel sure all will be revealed when I finish this un-orthodox grounding scheme in the name of SAFETY with HV.
Pictures will explain mostly.Till Tomorrow.
g-night in Texas
Joe.
*half inch by one and one half inch tungsten electrode,I will try to run electrodes parallel,for more Plasma,then use fan to force plasma down onto al/cu/brass/lead/glass,(asbestos,or fire brick,maybe ceramic)shelf at an angle.
I currently do not have the Plasma,that lends itself to great movement with minimal air-flow,,but unless I was over-tired,
or had bad batteries,I could Not measure anything over 3 amps,any-where,,,am sure I am wrong on this.Or not.
I am shooting to use at least 40-50 amps.
I have observed (a few years ago) the Perfect Plasma for my line of experiment.
This was a approximately ,four inch square,gentle,slow flame.
almost EXACTLY the same in appearance to a burning match or Zippo cigarette lighter.
(I "muddied" my coal firing forge,yesterday and finished it this morning,,the "clay mud" so far is what used to be a square box of Sheetrock putty,8-10 years old.Am sure it will take 2-3 weeks to dry.This same clay (topped with appropriate ceramic(hello Google),,,will do for a DIY PLASMA FURNACE,,I hope.Mounted on TOP of Pig. Small Fan blowing Down.(LOTS of Insulation/dialectic between shelf and Pig,,looks straight-forward to build/mount.Idea being metal running down hill when liquid.To collect in ANOTHER Clay pot/form/slab/bucket of water?mold?
Any particular metal mix in mind?.I have a tungsten carbide rod,one half by eight inches to use as stirrer.
A metal mixer and skimmer is a MUST.
Sure mistakes are in post,tired of editing it,maybe understanding for ALL,,tomorrow.
Found 30AMP Fuse blown on one leg of 220,,,I was running with 110 V,,,what a screw-up,,,still haven't up-loaded any pics.Maybe before the day is over.
Thanks to my Engineer Friend that being Chief Engineer Bill,Tidewater Marine,U.S.Coast Guard,Retired.,,Durn good neighbor,,when he is home,which I wish was more often.
Checking those fuses should have been my first thought,it wasn't.
Thanks Bill
Joe in Texas
Now Happily,,showing 55 AMPS from Variac to Air Wound Core,Coil,,,(to Pig Primary)
Plasma is Pure in short episodes.Air sensitive enough to feel
the disturbance of human body in dead air.Seems to consume/generate,,lazily,slowly,build to BIG plasma,then start over.
At 16 minute into a run,,smoke from ballast,observed heat spot 8 winds down on on 40 plus turns on top layer,,copper below(row 4) cool,,no discoloration.Re-arranged top layer of
winding,a lot of them were crossed.
Start Run3:22
Stop Run 3:35
Hard to believe a direct short THRU ,, around a quarter inch thick.,,PVC Green sewer,,Measure=.5cm,,that is point five cm. or one half cm thick PVC.Shorted to steel core.Massive current here.
Coil (ballast is still cooling) induction too high.
I removed ALL the silicone laminate steel (heavy) core.
Going to try for 5 minute run,,after cooling of ballast,air coil,
Cheers
Later with pictures.
Joe in Texas
Here are some pictures
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae285/Judges_album/?newest=1
Really,hard for me to organize on this photo-bucket,,I wanted the last images to represent the type of Plasma I was after.
Am going to add resistance to the circuit,between ballast and Pig Primary,First to see results,,,then,perhaps move resistive load between Ballast and Variac.
One or the other.Not Both.
cheers
Joe in Texas
added: In regard to the plasma shown,,,,I can only get a (at most) one Minute of Run-Time,before Ballast over-heating,
That is with Core Fully Inserted.Lot's of configurations(to many!) to try,,,But I at least know,what I want is attainable.
The Energy cost is too High.55 AMP,,,measured,,ballast to pig primary.I am sinking TOO MUCH amperage,,,oh well,,will remove heavy core partly, and test again, with resistive load.
Eventually I will hit correct combination.
j.
The last plasma I made had only one electrode. Plasma comming out both ends or it could have been going in both ends through the flurescent the picture tube and god only knows what before returning to the ground it was pointing towards.
Good Grief Man!
The Television blew up while you were watching it?!
Holey Guacamole,,
zzzzzzzzzzzzttttttttttt!
Joe
It was kinda semi controlled. I was messing around with the hv supply from an old TV and flurescent bulbs. I was watching tv in the fluresecent bulb hooked in series with the picture tube. No kidding the flurescent bulb was the only plasma television set I ever owned. :) You could see the information in the bulb. No audio though. ;D Anyway somehow the hv supply got hooked up to the flurescent tube holder which was a piece of iron wire coiled into the diameter of the tube. I smelled ozone and heard this hiss and there was two coronal discharges coming out the ends of the rebar lashing wire. There was no apparent circuit to ground so I assume this was plasma growing off the ends of the iron coil. It wasnt a snap crakcle pop more like dualing plasma cutter outputs. Never popped the horizontal output transistor which is the favorite thing old TV's do when you short the output from the flyback transformer. The little sprites kinda bent towards each other so I assume there was more plasma creating a loop from end of iron coil to the other but not throwing light. Oh I forgot the plasma I made with watervapor and a piece of copper wire in a microwave.
Water vapor bulb. No metal halide or high pressure sodium. Just a drop of water and 1100 hundred watts of rf bouncing around.
G' Morning Sparks,
Wish you could have recorded that.
I have repaired around a Hundred Televisions and Several Thousand (CRT)Computer Monitors.
Google Joe Smith Monitor Repair.That's me,at west point monitor repair..there are monitor and tv Forums,dedicated to building tip bases for quick,look it up repairs.I belong to them.
You must prove to the moderator that you are a tech,before being allowed to join.
I know monitors and TV's.Or I thought I did.Never ever have I heard of anything even approaching your experience.I have read your post several times.
Plasma of course would handle the analog,tv signal,,from there I am lost.
Amazing,,it must be plausible or it wouldn't have happened.
Talk about "Food for Thought",,Sparks,you win the prize for innovation,,,hands down.End of contest.
Why are there people like You and I,?,,,God only knows,,and he must Protect us,,,otherwise,,,?????how do we get away with it?
cheers + safety
Joe in Texas
Today I will rig a small box fan and photograph the effect on plasma.Hope it is up to what I want.
Plasma flame is hot enough to melt metal,at least copper or aluminum,,If it is NOT(hot enough),,then I wish to find out where I am going wrong.
I can only do this by experiment...so adios,,muchachos,,till
later today.
Cheers
Joe in Texas.
I did alot of work with ozone cells in water repurification and seen my share of coronal discharge but it was to an obvious ground. This is the only time I have seen an open air discharge to nowhere. I have seen plasma created like you are after when a pole pig shorted from primary to secondary and sent 20k into a building bridging the fused disconnect with about a 5inch gap. Again there was an obvious potential setup between the grid and ground. The current was resisted just enough to allow the primary breaker to stay engaged. Then there was the time some water with salt in it sprayed a 460volt motor relay box. I heard the hiss but was trying to minimize damage control like stop the water from spraying all over the control room. Well the plant called for the motor to engage and so it did. It blew the NEMA 1 enclosure cover right off the box across the room and by my head at a good 100 miles an hour. Only thing I can figure out is that the hiss was producing hydrogen gas of some sort and the plasma from the contacts making ignited it. The motor starter itself was fine. The box not so good. A little bloated. Well on the day in question with the flyback pulsing the iron coil I was curious enough to insulate myself from ground and stick my paw a good 12 inches from the weird dually plasma things. Cold ass ion wind heading from the ground to the coil. You could cup your hand and feel the cold stuff fill up your palm then leak out around the edges. That and not all of it was coming from the air I could feel it coming from out of my hand. It is not the feeling you get when you radiate your body heat and cold is radiating in. It was cold radiating out. Weird as it gets. Pretty dumb too but I lacked any kind of thermal sensing device and just had a gut feeling this was not your ordinary radiant em event. I think this is what was happening but not so sure. The coil was acting as a solenoid and providing a relatively permanent magnetic field of a torroidal nature. The lead from the flyback was attached in the middle of the 6 turn coil so the current was creating like two solenoids back to back. The pulsed electric field was causing ionization of the air on the ends of the iron coil and the current maintaining the split polarity solenoidal magnetic field lines. The free electrons liberated from the air ionization started a current that followed the magnetic field lines from the iron coil. Since the coil ends extended through a uhmw block and ions like to float they were accruing inside the electron current flowing along the magfield lines. This kept on going until with the ions relatively cold but still very positive but lighter than air amassed inside the electron loop. This positive pole was insulated like a low pressure area in a twister. For any high pressure to get to it it would have to negotiate the hot electron circulation. The cold feeling was the thermal energy drop of the mass of the air and my hand as electrons left the atoms heading for the little cyclone deal I had going. Ions lack the thermal energy of the relatively hot electrons. I am quite certain that if I had kept running this thing it was going to get cold enough to form condensation of water vapor and some eery fog as reported around other plasma devices running in open air. I didnt need to wait around for that kinda shit to happen and pulled the plug.
Sparks,I am grounded to the point that theoretically I could rest one hand on ONE electrode.
One Pig Ear to Ground,3/4 X 7 foot copper clad iron rod,driven into sand below 6 inch slab,2 inches above slab equalls at least six foot deep, sand on top of gumbo ,on my particular place of the state of Texas.AWG 4 to rod,,2 foot distance.
Primary Center Tap Grounded,,AWG 4,,foot and a half length.
I am Plasma to Ground,,the energy burden for the flame I want,is too great at this time,ballast overloads,and runs hot,,cant find where I put 2 new 220v hot water heater elements,I (for a resistive load),am tired of looking.I have too much STUFF.
And a lot of it is hard to move around.I think I counted 11 MOT's,,,4 NST's,,,,,enough coax to do the Empire State Building,,5 old computers,,4,21 inch crt monitors(i know their innards),,Boxes of obscure electronics,,boxes of old tubes,,
instruments I have no idea of function,,2 dials,one green (big) eye,,,10 Sig gens(govt auction),,,big wire on spools,,,little
wire on spools,,,hmmmm,,,one of these in a bucket of water
might work in series with my ballast,,,nay,,,I think I will electrify,that big long coil in most of my pictures,,,,,#17 Magnet wire,wound 80 inches on a 16 inch diameter,,fiberglass,,pipe(1/8" thick),,in series with current ballast.Nay.Not that either.
I'll sleep on it and think of something.
Keep your powder dry,,
Joe in Texas
Couple of those microwaves in each leg would load her down. They'll dump a thousand watts or so. Heating up whatever. I just nuked some soup. Heading for the hay myself.
Yo Sparks,,did you catch this?
j.
April 02, 2010
A recent experiment by myself utilizing two strong NeFeB 5150 gauss disks, each having a 2 inch diameter and spinning at 3100 rpm, generated 15 amps d.c. at 36 millivolts while mounted on a drill press.
This is free energy. It turns out that the POWER is only about a half of a watt. However, it is a fact that the POWER is a function of the radius increase to the fourth power. Thus, increasing the diameter while decreasing the speed more than compensates for brush friction. It is then possible to build a free energy machine that puts out free energy kilowatts above the friction losses and excitation power of the field. Modulating the excitation field at 60 Hz creates a.c. output of low voltage and high current that can be transformed by a step-up transformer to power the commercial grid.
Disks: http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RY046
Video and more information to follow.
Respectfully,
Jerry E. Bayles
jebayles2001@yahoo.com
http://www.electrogravity.com
ElectrogravityWorks
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Chopped a microwave oven,down to a functioning microwave out put..
http://s980.photobucket.com/home/Judges_album/index
Guess what I will be aiming my microwave AT ?
Have a good day.
Joe in Texas
ps.Google dose not give me exactly what I am looking for"compressing/concentrating/pushing at high velocity?
against a plasma source with microwaves)having said this,
I DID find some very useful info on plasma confinement and concentration of plasma,,seems simple to implement,
I have about a 2 gallon pail of rectangular,twisting(spiral),
wave guides,,all from a WSMR junk radar.
I also have a very good pinch lens for microwaves,,
Let's see if I hit the 4 inch square of confined,concentrated plasma,(60 hertz),,,With,2.45Ghz of magnetron before wave guide and heat,which ADDS TO the microwave frequency.,,
The pinch guide (spiral magnet field) should give me about a one inch diameter of microwave propellant,against the Pigs,Plasma.
Why?
Why not?
Joe in Texas
Microwaves focused squarely onto Arc,=NOTHING,at most a slight flickering toward the direction oposite the MW antenna.
Slightly disappointing.
I don't really know what I expected,,,a little fireworks would have been nice.
Today I received a VERY Large MO..Lotta watts,,,,soooooo I will be tearing into it first thing in the morning,,,I'm a happy boy!
J in t
Dont sweat if man. Hot fusion scientists have been making microwave flickers in plasma for 20 or 30 years now and still happy doing so as long as the funding holds up. The charge of a proton becomes infinite as you approach the surface. Now you take two of these infinitely opposing bodies and heat them with microwaves and have them compressed in the core of the plasma by the negatively charged electrons shielding them because theyre on the outside following the supercooled electromagnet produced lines of force and everyone is mystified when it takes more zing to get a zap then the zing from the zap. This is what happens when you take two cars and drive them at each other at several hundred miles an hour and expect them to come out looking like a brand new model you can drive away in and bring her down to the wash for a detail job. There is always a chance but when are they going to give up and move on.
There is a change in the air.Don't be surprised if the good old boys down the block,generate a just under sonic boom,or a rocket engine running wide open for,SCHEZAM ??2:30
seconds??logging is simple,molding and developing times are getting vastly shorter.NASA is no more the mover and shaker,,If you are looking for rocket building experience,I would say there is currently a good choice to choose from.
Good,meaning 30,40 years experience,with papers,to a Good Home only.
Handle With Care.
Cheers to Ya!
Joe in Texas.