Guys, it's just my first day on this forum, and I'm proud to announce that overunity can be achieved today!
Who will achieve it? Not me, because I don't have the materials required, and I don't have the skills!
But, if someone wants to achieve overunity today, just watch this 3 videos on YouTube and combine the principles of the three:
1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxy8phi6I74
The guy generates electricity to light a small LED using his "magnetic launcher". It happens between 1:18 and 1:58 - you only have to watch that 40 seconds of the video.
2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VN6KWM8Rbc
This is amazing! This guy made a "magnetic ramp" that makes a little iron ball goes up in an inclined angle, and, the main thing: THE BALL DON'T GET STUCK in any moment, it simply goes down at the other side of the ramp. I downloaded this video just in case it mysteriously disappears from YouTube...
3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMCLKKVef0E
Exactly the same thing as video #2 just a little bit less impressive. But it's amazing too. The ball goes up in an inclined angle, don't get stuck, and goes down at the other side.
Well... Now you can build your overunity device. Just combine what you learnt from the 3 videos.
I'm not in conditions to do this, but I'm sure a lot of people here can do.
It's very simple: just make a magnetic ramp that don't stop the ball in any moment, like videos #2 and #3. The magnetic ramp should rise the ball high enough to cause it to accumulate gravitational potential energy to go down very fast in the other side of the ramp. The rails on the other side must take advantage of the acceleration of gravity to drive the ball in a curve, like a roller coaster to its initial position at the beginning of the ramp.
If all goes well, when gravity takes the ball to the beginning of the ramp, it will start rising again, driven by the magnetic field, and will go down again in the other side, and we will have a PERPETUUM MOBILE.
So, to extract overunity electricity from your pepetuum mobile, use the coils that guy used on video #1 to light that LED. You can put more than one coil in the track of the ball, maybe six or seven, and store the small amount of electricity generated in capacitors. After a few loops of the pepetuum mobile, maybe the capacitors can have enough charge to light a beautiful and bright LED during some seconds.
As a newbie, I'm very proud to announce this. Maybe I can be wrong and it all can be bullshit, but maybe not!
Give credit where credit is due! I just presented this in an earlier post than yours, Post times are accurate, don't rip my friend Gilles and I off with your later post claiming you thought of it yourself, It was Gilles and I who discovered it, not you. I hate people trying to steal other peoples thunder without giving credit. pisses me off.
There is no money to be awarded here, only smiles!
Really? I'm sorry, I'm just a newbie, and I didn't see your post. Can you please put the link here? If you saw this before, it's your credit.
But I swear I didn't see your post, and I've come to the conclusions posted above independently.
But if you posted first, the credit is yours, I'm sorry.
The problem here is that the ball seems to drop below the
height where it started. This is something that will need
be shown to get the energy to get it back up. Also, he does not
show a mechanical level tool to show that his table is zero
degrees to the horizontal. He could have some books under
the table legs. These SMOT ramps do work...but not with
a simple steel ball bearing as the runner, plus having the ball
return to where it started. Proof is proof and this is not it.
Stop launching things and get the runner back to the beginning
of the ramp!
:S:MarkSCoffman
I confess I do not understand how the guys in videos #2 and #3 made that ball go up. But, it don't looks like fraud to me.
My hope was just someone here could explain what was the mechanism they used.
If that videos are true, and there's a way to make that ball go up in a ramp, and go down in the other side, whitout being stuck in the top, then all our problems are solved!
Imagine two equal magnetic ramps like that... When the ball starts going down after the end of the magnets in the first ramp, a curved descending rail carry it to the beggining of the other ramp, that is in the opposite position than the first one. Then, the ball goes up in the second ramp, goes down after the end of the magnets, and a second curved descending rail carry the ball to the beggining of the first ramp, and we have a closed loop!
I beg someone here try to construct a magnetic ramp equal to that ramp in the two videos!
Quote from: Rapadura on February 18, 2010, 12:59:20 PM
I confess I do not understand how the guys in videos #2 and #3 made that ball go up. But, it don't looks like fraud to me.
My hope was just someone here could explain what was the mechanism they used.
If that videos are true, and there's a way to make that ball go up in a ramp, and go down in the other side, whitout being stuck in the top, then all our problems are solved!
Imagine two equal magnetic ramps like that... When the ball starts going down after the end of the magnets in the first ramp, a curved descending rail carry it to the beggining of the other ramp, that is in the opposite position than the first one. Then, the ball goes up in the second ramp, goes down after the end of the magnets, and a second curved descending rail carry the ball to the beggining of the first ramp, and we have a closed loop!
I beg someone here try to construct a magnetic ramp equal to that ramp in the two videos!
Rapadura,
Would you mind doing some homework for yourself?
Here is a patent that basically describes how such a ramp works:
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=4215330A&KC=A&FT=D&date=19800729&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
Also see Naudin's tests here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/smotidx.htm
Now that you have understood how a magnetic ramp works, if you feel like obtaining some magnets and build such ramps, then no need for begging here to anyone? You may even find out how to close the loop? Go ahead!
rgds, Gyula
@Rapadura;
Please don't lose your interest in this subject...You just need to
see the right stuff...And here it is (Gilles); ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9BsOW6P7QM&feature=sub
This is why I say; to forget about building the ramp and just
worry about getting the runner back to beginning of track
with low additional energy. You are correct, I think, that
you are thinking that these work in some form or another.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on February 18, 2010, 03:58:43 PM
@Rapadura;
Please don't lose your interest in this subject...You just need to
see the right stuff...And here it is (Gilles); ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9BsOW6P7QM&feature=sub (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9BsOW6P7QM&feature=sub)
This is why I say; to forget about building the ramp and just
worry about getting the runner back to beginning of track
with low additional energy. You are correct, I think, that
you are thinking that these work in some form or another.
:S:MarkSCoffman
nice video, took me a while to understand it but now i see.
something i would like to try out myself.
Sorry for my ignorance typical of a beginner. I did not know already existed SMOT'S that work. I thought the SMOT was only a "theoretical model", did not know that had already been built. Hence my excitement about the videos. I thought they were the first SMOT's that had been built in practice.
Well, so I really can't understand why no one had yet built a closed loop SMOT. I can't realize any explanation for it not being achieved. If the ball can go up, it obviously accumulates gravitational potential energy, and it should be sufficient to make it roll down to the initial lower point again, due to the acceleration of gravity.
Why nobody did it yet? Maybe the obsession with rotors and rotating devices is hampering the development of SMOT. Instead of rotors, people should be focused on SMOT! We don't need a dynamo to generate electricity... If we have a perpetuum mobile we can utilize other ways to generate eletricity, like piezoeletric materials, or something like that.
Nothing interesting there. You need to put energy into the system first (move it past the magnetic repulsion point with your hand) to make it go up the ramp. A closed loop is not possible.
Runners always seek the strongest field. In the case of the runner going up and dropping off, we find that gravity is the stronger field. Now once the runner leaves the magnetic field and moves along gravity's field, it can be picked up by another magnetic field and done again. The problem is making the turns which I have already demonstrated with a youtube video, can be done.
Now that we can, so call, close the loop, we have another problem. That problem is that eddy's take affect and the runner becomes magnetized which henders it's ability to continue to run it's coarse. Becuase the runner becomes more attracted to the array's which will make it more difficult for the runner to leave the arrays field.
Now if the arrays used had one that used a north and the other that used a south, it would help to keep the runner from becoming magnitized but we may find that even after just one pass thru the first array, it may become magnitized enough that it would repell away from entering the next array.
Just some food for thought. ;)
Quote from: nightlife on February 19, 2010, 09:18:03 AM
Now that we can, so call, close the loop, we have another problem. That problem is that eddy's take affect and the runner becomes magnetized which henders it's ability to continue to run it's coarse. Becuase the runner becomes more attracted to the array's which will make it more difficult for the runner to leave the arrays field.
Just some food for thought. ;)
I would say, "changes to the runner's magnetic field could destroy
it's interaction with the rest of the machine and maybe reduce
the net acceleration from the magnetic array." If it were
made of standard steel.
...This is true, and while it is tougher to make, the runner - if
made of magnets itself, would reject external changes to it's
magnetic field. It would be relatively easy to make parts
of the runner of a nonmagnetic material but have magnets
be the basis of it's interaction with the array.
The array's indirect magnetic field, while subject to shielding,
would more easily affect the path of a magnetized runner.
:S:MarkSCoffman
"the runner becomes magnetized"
I had never thought of that!
It is frustrating to see how all the methods to demonstrate that the opposite pair "gravitational field - magnetic field" can generate perpetual motion are muddled by side effects such as the runner being magnetizing after a little time.
Quote from: Rapadura on February 19, 2010, 10:06:15 PM
"the runner becomes magnetized"
I had never thought of that!
It is frustrating to see how all the methods to demonstrate that the opposite pair "gravitational field - magnetic field" can generate perpetual motion are muddled by side effects such as the runner being magnetizing after a little time.
Although your concept may be foiled, don't give up on the smot. You just need to think of a design that can work with magnetic runners or that will become stronger as the runners become magnetized. It can be done. The smot concept is a beautiful thing. It supplies the uneven magnetic field that is needed. I am giving up more then I should. ;)