Hello all,
I have been following the progress of 'Free Energy' devices for decades ... and please ... I know it's not really free and that it's all around us and that the vacuum is a 'seething caldron of energy waiting to be tapped...', and that quantum physics supports the possibilities and so on. In the past I was always sending away for 'energy machine' plans posted in those little adds in the backs of science and tech magazines. There was no internet as it lives today ... only its bare bones beginnings as a conduit between the universities and the government.
This topic asks a simple and basic question: Are ANY of those authors, lecturers, inventors and other high profile individuals you and I frequently tune in to ... are any of these folks running their own homes, environments, businesses, cars, etc. on any sort of 'free energy' source? I'm not talking about photovoltaics, passive heat, wind energy, hydro, geothermal or any of the 'accepted' technologies (cold fusion is soon to join this group). I'm referring to 'energy from the vacuum', battery phenomena, permanent magnets, Lenz's law stuff, etc.
I'm pretty sure none of them are or can. I'm also fairly sure that it's not because of some conspiracy on the part of the utility companies and their fear of losing revenue. I say this because I have installed a good number of standalone photovoltaic systems. Never have any of my customers been approached by a power utility company (or anyone) and been given the ultimatum "...you better start buying our electricity or else...". You won't find this for wind energy either.
Knowing how people's egos sometimes work, if anyone out there were to be running their homes, businesses, cars, etc. on 'free energy', at least ONE would be boasting about it.
Well there it is. Join, comment, whatever. It's been said before.
Greg
I don't currently...but if you wanted to actually run on free energy -
check out the Bedini 10 Coiler Kit...I think that would actually charge
a bank of acid/lead batteries. Only ~1.5KW~ on a continuous basis
is needed to support one home with the electrical devices there now.
Add a like additional amount for heat pump heating and another like
amount for the electric automobile.
The bedini would put load wear on it's batteries. Another 26KW
lithium/ion battery pack from a new electric auto would be required
as a buffer and a rather hefty 100amp utility interactive inverter
and transfer switch would be required to round out the equipment.
Extra energy generated would be sold to power company, if so
allowed by local laws - they would pay you for power.
The utilities can't give you problems, when the ordinances say the
customer can do this...If ordinances don't say it, you still can sell
power to them but only at one or two cents per KWh. You may want
to add a token solar panel to claim your overunity energy comes from
renewable resources - it's better than claiming it comes from the
"Inherent overunity associated with static electricity generation",
"Cold Fusion in Acid/Lead storage batteries." or some such. ;)
I'm betting that Mr. Bedini would give you a tour of his garage,
if you agreed to buy a 10 coiler Kit.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on March 12, 2010, 02:01:27 PM
I don't currently...but if you wanted to actually run on free energy -
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----a rather hefty 100amp utility interactive inverter
and transfer switch would be required to round out the equipment.
Extra energy generated would be sold to power company, if so
allowed by local laws - they would pay you for power.
The utilities can't give you problems, when the ordinances say the
customer can do this...If ordinances don't say it, you still can sell
power to them but only at one or two cents per KWh.
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You are not allowed to sell power back onto the grid (interact) unless your interface meets certain power quality standards such as harmonic distortion and other things such as when and how the system responds to changes in grid conditions and when and how it hooks up or unhooks after a power outage (safety). The power company oversees approval of the equipment since it's generally interfacing with their equipment. In Ca. you can only install equipment that has been tested by the state and placed on a list of approved equipment. This includes solar panels, chargers, inverters, switch equipment and more. The state also requires you to rate or de-rate your system based on actual field performance data. This is how they determine how much they will actually grant back to you to help you pay for the system. Example: a panel manufacturer rates their panel at 130watts, but the panel's real production is 118 watts after considering connecting stuff like inverter efficiency (that could be 5% 8% right there) ... we try for no more than 1/8% - 1/5% loss in the wiring, breakers, fuses, etc. The state bases the grant on the 118watts not the manufacturer's 130watts. Every state has a similar set of requirements.
Actually the net metering rate depends on the state. Here in southern CA. the rate is mostly 1:1.
Recently though, some utilities have been permitted to charge/credit at different rates based on peak hour usage (late afternoon-evening ... a higher rate-after the sun's gone down), location, etc. ... Really not right. They want to figure out some way to charge you for the power that EVEN YOU GENERATE YOURSELF! At one time in the early 2000's these idiots were trying to charge an "exit fee" or penalty for generating your own power (because they wouldn't be getting as much out of you in the future). It didn't fly but I'm sure they hid it somewhere in everyone's power bill.
They don't pay you anything and they never will but they credit your power generation. When I design and install a PV system and design it to offset 100% of the customer's usage (no more-no less), from mid spring to mid fall the customer is generally a "net producer" and from mid fall to mid spring the customer is a "net consumer". The local utility will (if you wish) average your usage over a 12 mo. period and send you only one annual bill. But ... there is always a charge for remaining on the grid of $45 - $75 a YEAR and no one complains. If you over-generate, the utility is simply
grateful for the free electricity they don't need to generate but get to charge someone else for. If you plan on generating way more than you use and you want to be payed for it then you are now
commercial and become a co-generator ... different thing, different requirements ... not from your home.
Don't get me wrong. I'm amazed and in aw of our utility infrastructure in the US. It is amazing and vast.
The biggest problems aren't with local ordinances because our state laws permit PV Solar no matter what. The biggest problems are with Home Owners Associations which are many times out of state POWER CRAZED management companies. They always want everyone and everything looking and acting exactly the same. But once they get a letter from the state telling the HOA that they cannot prevent a home owner from installing solar, they shut up. And now the feds chime in on these cases too. There was a law suit out hear recently where the HOA lost and the homeowner (now with lots of solar) pays NO MORE HOA fees FOREVER (part of a harassment settlement).
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I'm betting that Mr. Bedini would give you a tour of his garage,
if you agreed to buy a 10 coiler Kit.
:S:MarkSCoffman
I think it's likely the building we've seen in his videos is tied to the grid and that he has an electric bill ... I would hope it would be otherwise.
That really is the bottom line I look at. All the claims of FE going around but who is really grid independent other than the traditional solar etc. After just spending the entire day today without grid power (the utility company said they had a problem at a substation) I'm very motivated to find some FE solutions. I do believe there are people out there running there homes on FE who are staying quiet as they have a very good thing going and don't want anyone messing with it. I also believe there ARE going to be some changes in the fairly near future. I've been into this research also for close to 20 years but I've never felt things were closer than they are now to some breakthrough's coming about. There are companies that appear to have FE devices but are just waiting for the best way to roll it out. Or perhaps they are still being paid off and or threatened to wait a while. There are a number of well documented devices from major research facilities and or companies which fully appear working zero point energy devices but getting from a working prototype to an affordable production unit is taking it's sweet time.
Good message thread to start here - hopefully it will bring out some good news.
Quote from: e2matrix on March 12, 2010, 07:48:14 PM
"That really is the bottom line I look at. All the claims of FE going around but who is really grid independent other than the traditional solar etc."
I do know that having a battery bank and an inverter hooked to it is a comforting feeling. I'm in S. Ca. and we have had fires that knocked out power for days at a time. Each time I was able to fully power refrigerators, communication and entertainment off of battery power and PV.
QuoteI do believe there are people out there running there homes on FE who are staying quiet as they have a very good thing going and don't want anyone messing with it. Or perhaps they are still being paid off and or threatened to wait a while.
I just don't think anyone is getting paid off or threatened. That's the age old cry of the failed inventor ... "... my perpetual motion machine just kept speeding up, going faster and faster then flew into a million fragments .... I almost got killed .... Sorry I can't show it to you right now ... but if I had some more funding... It's obviously not a matter of whether it works or not, I proved that in my story. It's a matter of perfecting it ... and if I had some more funding..." or "... I can't show you now. Someone was at my door. knocking, knocking, knocking. He was aggressive. They're after me... I'm being threatened"
QuoteThere are a number of well documented devices from major research facilities and or companies which fully appear working zero point energy devices but getting from a working prototype to an affordable production unit is taking it's sweet time.
There are devices that seem very credible. But that's when the next shoe falls. These pioneers seem to be able to make careers out of raking in developmental capital and perpetuating their research addictions. This is the direction (rut) 'cold fusion' has taken right behind it's older brother 'hot fusion'. It's taken 20 years to massage CF to the point that it is just 'REAL ENOUGH' to justify long lasting formal research funding guaranteeing it never gets commercialized. Too many careers can be built on just researching CF.
QuoteGood message thread to start here - hopefully it will bring out some good news.
Thank you. I'm not the only one working this field that needs to come up from time to time for a little fresh air and some sobriety.
@All,
It' been a while.
Here is web link to video of an end-to-end Bedini 10 coiler setup;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVQ4ZXHnp8Y
This guy is using an inexpensive 200watt utility interactive inverter as the load which is about 5x times too low to power his entire house, but it demonstrates the concept.
:S:MarkSCoffman
This is a very interesting thread . It is similar in spirit to the thread I started recently entitled Free Energy Slavery . When I was young and misguided , I was interested in the supernatural .I always wanted to join the Society For Psychic Research , but could not afford to . Many years later my daughters gave me the money to join . I then realised that this society had existed for about 100 years , and had proved nothing . So I used the money to buy a winter coat for my wife . How long has this website existed ? what has it Proved? This begs the question as to why I still come here .I guess I am like an Atheist who goes to church , as an insurance , and for social reasons .Yes and I bet Mr Bedini pays electric bills .Isn't it strange how all these devices are going to be ready to market in a year or two ? During the second world war , new radar systems were invented , developed and put into use in months , not years . Well guess what . The situation we are in today is much more urgent than it was then .
The bendini 10 coiler could run for a while longer then the video time just off all those batteries. If it was demonstrated to run 2500 watt heater for a couple days flat out "on" then I might be interested enough to look further into it. The only model I can see having any promise is to mirror a tube amplifier in the same method they reuse forward voltage to increase power.
How ever if it did work Im not sure I would jump into publishing it too quick with out having plans for all possible outcomes in place and ready to go automatically.
@mscoffman,
Can these lead-acid batteries be replaced by caps and still have the system be self-sustaining? As you may have noticed I'm not at all interested in heating my house or in any similar practical application. The only thing I wanna know is if this thing is indeed a self-sustaining device. By the way, have you any idea how much Bedini is selling his setups for?
Quote from: Omnibus on December 14, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
@mscoffman,
Can these lead-acid batteries be replaced by caps and still have the system be self-sustaining? As you may have noticed I'm not at all interested in heating my house or in any similar practical application. The only thing I wanna know is if this thing is indeed a self-sustaining device. By the way, have you any idea how much Bedini is selling his setups for?
Renaissance ChargeBattery Swapper ( $1200 ) + bedini 10 coils ( $4200 ) here , you can buy it : http://potentialtec.com/ (http://potentialtec.com/)
Quote from: tagor on December 15, 2010, 03:31:04 AM
Renaissance ChargeBattery Swapper ( $1200 ) + bedini 10 coils ( $4200 )
here , you can buy it :
http://potentialtec.com/ (http://potentialtec.com/)
Buying it is not a problem. Can it work as a self-sustaining device, though? Are there money back guarantees in case it's only a seeming perpetual motion machine? This can become clear at once if, before buying it, the guy can demonstrate it with caps instead of the batteries. Can he do that?
Quote from: Omnibus on December 15, 2010, 09:58:18 AM
Buying it is not a problem. Can it work as a self-sustaining device, though? Are there money back guarantees in case it's only a seeming perpetual motion machine? This can become clear at once if, before buying it, the guy can demonstrate it with caps instead of the batteries. Can he do that?
no , nothing
no money back no data , you have to beleive
Quote from: tagor on December 15, 2010, 10:41:58 AM
no , nothing
no money back no data , you have to beleive
Can't he be sued if he doesn't deliver what he's selling you?
Quote from: Omnibus on December 15, 2010, 10:52:19 AM
Can't he be sued if he doesn't deliver what he's selling you?
ther is no guarantee from ebay
when I get my window motor there was big problems with customs
and with broken pieces
there was no answer from rick
and nothing from ebay
Quote from: tagor on December 15, 2010, 11:17:29 AM
ther is no guarantee from ebay
when I get my window motor there was big problems with customs
and with broken pieces
there was no answer from rick
and nothing from ebay
You didn't get relief because you didn't pursue the matter further, I guess.
@Omnnibus
This video was not really designed to *prove* anything. It only suggest an equipment
configuration that someone says gives him extra energy. The equipment configuration
happens to ring-a-bell with me, anyway, as being what would be required if a Bedini
machine develops extra energy and the user wants to begin to apply it to a utility
online intertie. Of course it will be impossible to absolutely prove anything via
telecommunications, as there is just too many possibilities for cheating then covering
the cheat up. At some point you/we have to just start believing that a Bedini machine
can supply extra energy. Is this person really going to put all this equipment in place
only to propagate a cheat? Why not factor some of those output circuits in the Bedini
machine if it is not going to work anyway?
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I happen to like this users use of the inexpensive utility interactive inverter if you
happen to be in a situation creating free energy. Why waste energy it in a resistive
load when it could be doing useful work. I think/hope more and more people are going
to find themselves in this position in the future.
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Will the system work with substitute capacitors? Most probably it will not??! Why not?;
“The acid/lead storage batteries play a role in the creation or conversion of the excess
energy.†In fact the reaction occurs inside them. They are actually reactors rather
than batteries. Even if the reaction doesn't power things directly, the reaction down-
converts the power voltage from the static electric regime into the low voltage high
current regime required by the inverter. Unless capacitors have a tremendous working
voltage their dielectrics will be blown out in this service. One of the most important
items for proving what is actually happening is having a large scale operation, like this,
where it is apparently happening.
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In a real system he would add an additional LiMH buffer store battery and keep his
acid/lead batteries in inexpensive to replace form since they are most likely not
designed for the service they are providing.. This also explains the need to swap
batteries, to wear-level them.
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Can Bedini be sued? Yes, you can sue anyone you want. But this is the standard
“chicken or the egg†free energy situation. If he offers a guarantee then he has
to back up his claim with scientifically valid proof of how the process works. And
that scientific proof has to be interactive with all the rest of science.
:S:MarkSCoffman
@mscoffman,
The problem is that he's asking for money for his unproven efforts. Anubody who does that is a scammer by default. Look at all these honest folks here spending their own hard earned money to do something good. Is Bedini smarter than everybody else to ask for money for something that has never been proven scientifically? I think there should be some mechanism to make such smarties feel accountable. Maybe it's exactly the fact that they feel untouchable which allows them to launch these large operations. This applies to manipulators in the mainstream science as well.
Can Bedini be sued ? The fact that he does not specifically give a guarantee does not in my opinion render him immune from prosecution . He makes claims , and his designs have to live up to them in my opinion . Why has he not applied for the James Randi one million dollar prize ? Perhaps he is on to such a good thing that he does not want to the rock the boat for a prize that he cant win . If he can do what he says he can do , who could resist the kudos of beating James Randi . Oh and a million dollars might be useful as well .
neptune, perhaps this is why JB isn't interested in randi's farce...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE_UzmtUH7g
Quote from: WilbyInebriated on December 15, 2010, 02:38:46 PM
neptune, perhaps this is why JB isn't interested in randi's farce...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE_UzmtUH7g
Now that was something special... I liked it. Thanks.
Quote from: Omnibus on December 15, 2010, 12:04:34 PM
You didn't get relief because you didn't pursue the matter further, I guess.
yes , not so easy
@ Tagor and Neptune
I find your posts refreshing. I have travelled world along with many friends and other interested parties for many years testing claims of FE inventors etc. Sadly to date I can honestly say that I know of any device or process that actually can demonstrate free energy.
My interests were in hydrogen, gravity wheels and magnetic motors.
One exception I will make is blacklight power has demonstrated an interesting effect and gain but have failed to practically engineer it or capture it in.
I am happy to say in most cases I came across people were either measuring wrong or self deluded. Sadly many were straight out con men.
The MIB if they did exist are long gone, and I know investors with millions ready to assist to bring any device to the world. I have seen a lot of good coming out of these forums like a JT device coupled with a small solar cell and leds for under $10 for third well countries. Sadly 2 Million people have no electricity at all.
I treat FE as a hobby and like the fishing expedition...there is always hope that something will come eventually...unfortunately it is highly unlikely but a possibility.
I could tell you of dozens of failures but have signed NDA's...funny enough not to protect people from having ideas stolen but more to protect them from embarrassment.
One of the most interesting adventures I had last year was to investigate (for investors) a FE device in South Africa. I flew with two other engineers from Australia and USA on the back of a TUV engineers report it had been validated. Needless to say we had it busted in a few hours
Many thanks for raising the questions you have put to the forum and as you have already seen no one has stepped up to the plate.
Kind Regards
mark
@markdansie,
The reality of OU is already proven definitively. Why then there are no practical applications that you and I know of? Besides the fact that mine or your knowledge in these matters isn't the criterion as to whether or not there indeed are no practical applicatiins existing, the lack of their widespread availability has many underlying reasons. The beginning of the OU revolution, we are experiencing now, can be compared with the beginning of the computer revolution. That computers can exist was well known in the fifties of the last century. Von Neuman arcitecture was well understood in some closed circles and yet it didn't even occur to the rest of the world that one day millions will have a funny device called computer in their homes. We have this funny device now and therefore it is even more funny to realize that there were those who had said in the fifties that such a thing is impossible to exist because they have not seen it to exist anywhere then. People who claimed then that computer concept is real were called fools, scammers or were just ignored.
What is the difference between these two revolutions. The difference is that the computer revolution has soon found its way through the Academia while the OU revolution still can't do that and has to rely either on the meager private funds of its participants or on confused private investors whose only goal is nothing else but return on investment. These are substandard conditions for any scientific revolution and that's the reason for the slow progress in harnessing the practical aspect of OU. No private funding can compete with the existing infrastructure of the mainstream science and to have it divert its direction from what it does now to OU is a matter of changing its ideology. That is very, very difficult to achieve. That would be the solution also to the practical aspect of OU but is very difficult to achieve. To sway the mindset of the stringent academic structure towards OU is a daunting task. Nevertheless, if we want to achieve success in OU we must work towards changing the academic attitude rather than looking for private investors with their ROI. Private investors are goog only as long as they go along the idealistic path of convincing Academia in the merits of OU. Every other role of the private investors is forsaken and misunderstanding of that point is the main reason for the failures of all commercial OU enterprises without exception.
Now that we were just talking about Bedini I see our friend-enthusiast Sterling Allan has posted this: http://pesn.com/2010/11/23/9501730_Bedini_Renaissance_Conference_a_turning_point/ . Has anybody been there to share his or her impressions?
It is great to see people on this thread writing some well thought out posts . I looked at the youtube vid about James Randi , but something strange was happening with the sound .Maybe it is meant to sound like that? Will try it again soon . Just a few thoughts to add . Just after the war , Britain was very short of housing . The answer was prefabricated houses [pre-fabs] . But it was useless to get conventional builders to construct them , as they were too set in their ways . So they were made by the redundant aircraft factories . The same may well be true of free energy machines . I think Blacklight Power are onto something , and more power to their elbow . As we know , governments worldwide reserve the right to snatch patents for "National Security " reasons . Thus for all we know , the military may already be using FE devices . Think about this . Do we really know that nuclear submarines are actually powered by nuclear energy? Few people get a look inside . Maybe they run on some zero point energy that never needs refuelling . Such subs could perhaps be much smaller than the nuke jobs , and harder to detect .The same may be true of aircraft , manned or unmanned .We can only speculate .
@neptune,
No one is onto anything unless demonstrating a self-sustaining device. Like I said, production of excess energy discontinuously (getting more energy out than in, i.e. violating CoE) has already been proven conclusively. That isn't enough, however. No one, unfortunately, has (to my knowledge) a self-sustaining device that can pass the scrutiny of a scientific test and therefore anyone trying to raise money from investors for commercial purposes with claims for OU should be treated as a scammer by default.
@Omnibus
I appreciated your reply and have always valued your posts.
It is interesting that Blacklight power is fundeed by power companies themselves revealing an acceptance to adapt to new technologies. I will not debate if OU has been proved or not but will concur that no practical or demonstrable application has surfaced yet. Blacklight power is a good example of this. You have the scientists for 10 years saying there it is, its real we can measure it, and many debates why it is so. Sadly we have not seen a practical demonstration of how it can be harvested in a continuous way. This is an engineering problem only.
On the bright side of the fence we have seen huge advances in other technologies like solar. It now costs more in labor to install than the panels themselves. Within a decade we will be just painting objects and harvesting the energy.
Anyway, my experience is always to have an open mind, however I have become a sceptic by default and acknowledge that I have limitations as i use scientific methods to measure and validate devices.
Kind Regards
Mark
QuoteIs anyone running on free energy right now ... this minute
Only when the sun is out. It has taken me six years but I have been slowly building my solar array to the current 1.2Kw. I add one or two panels a year if things are going good. If your just starting out with solar, my best advice is to start small learn each part of the system then expand on it.
For $4200 I could get 1250Amp hours in batteries and almost another Kilowatt of solar but know exactly what I'm getting. That Bedini site is very unclear on what you actually get. ???
we are blessed in Australia, up until june this year we recieved a 1 kilowatt system for free including install and inverter for grid connect. Now its about $1500 for a 1.5kva system up until june next year.
Just interesting how governments can facilitate change as its actually paid for by the polluters
Mark
Quote from: Omnibus on December 15, 2010, 10:52:19 AM
Can't he be sued if he doesn't deliver what he's selling you?
Quote from: tagor on December 15, 2010, 11:17:29 AM
ther is no guarantee from ebay
when I get my window motor there was big problems with customs
and with broken pieces
there was no answer from rick
and nothing from ebay
http://www.amazing1.com
These guys always delivered whatever I ordered. They've been around for years in their niche industry. Plans and parts---especially parts---are their specialty. Build whatever you want after the parts arrive.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on December 22, 2010, 02:53:19 PM
http://www.amazing1.com
These guys always delivered whatever I ordered. They've been around for years in their niche industry. Plans and parts---especially parts---are their specialty. Build whatever you want after the parts arrive.
--Lee
I guess he's not only selling you parts and plans. The most important thing which he's sellin you is an overunitydevice, isn't it? Does he re really deliver an overunity device or just parts and plans?
Quote from: Omnibus on December 22, 2010, 03:28:47 PM
I guess he's not only selling you parts and plans. ... Does he re really deliver an overunity device or just parts and plans?
Yeah, just parts and plans. He does actually send you what you order, though. Insuring and/or registering your order is a very good idea.
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The most important thing which he's sellin you is an overunitydevice, isn't it?
If he sold OU devices already built, that would bring unwelcome attention from the Feds and the power industries, I believe.
His plans are pretty straightforward, in my experience. However, practical and professional electronics experience is well advised and he obviously warns his customers: His parts can be assembled into potentially deadly devices. And he says as much.
--Lee
So, then, is it or is it not an OU device in the end? Because if it isn't why buy these parts and plans?
Quote from: Omnibus on December 22, 2010, 04:31:14 PM
So, then, is it or is it not an OU device in the end?
Not OU, no. With this company's plans, you can build the devices with which to experiment.
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Because if it isn't why buy these parts and plans?
This is a primarily a parts supplier. It always was.
NOTICE:
This one is still operating in the same industry: New/surplus parts for experimentation:
http://www.scientificsonline.com/
It used to be called "Edmund Scientific Co." They've been around for decades.
Sorry I didn't make myself more plain before now. Parts suppliers---including sellers of specialized parts---can be important to the experimenter. That was my point.
My exact point was: There are honest suppliers out there you can trust to send you what you order and that they have in stock or can backorder.
--Lee
I thought we were discussing Bedini selling something, weren't we?
Great post and question, I'm just completing a windmill and solar system just now.
I don't expect it to fully power my home at present from the model I'm building but intial results show a good chance of powering about six 40watt bulbs and other low load appliances. Irons and kettles no chance.
The invertor helps when I switch to solar power, but draw is heavy on the battery pack. Once I get the setup sited permanently I'll hopefully come back at you with a resounding Yes!
yes frasert but you need to replace those bulbs with LED's.
they burn like seemingly forever on your battery pack.
avoid the inverter use it only when seriously needed.
@ frasert
Yes LED's are certainly the way to go. I use the RLBN series from superbrightleds.com with my solar system. I can go for days and not fall below 12v even when it is very cloudy. The part# for the one you will want to get is RLBN-NW30X3SMD. These are excellent for lighting your house and wire directly to 12volts. I completely re-wired my house using 18 ga. double insulated doorbell wire with separate switches.
I built my own simple fixtures using a replacement 4 foot lens from Home Depot and placed 2 of the RLBN LED lights in each fixture.
I first tried to power 2 ballast flourescent lamps and the inverter current draw was 15 amps.
I can turn every light in the house and pull less than 10 amps with the LED lights.
See attached pic.
Even my family don^t wants to heat home with it. We had offered for 3 years to give DRJ200 for evaluation purposes on many forums in Poland. But nobody wanted. Even Pix. They are all barking against only. As this dog mentioned earlier. Please see his last post in topic: DRJ1000.11;-]
Now, use the joule thief circuit with those leds and possibly add some supercaps, and you will have it. Great light from those leds too by the way.
Bill
It's pretty sad to see not a single soul has said "YES" to your original post...
I've jumped on the band wagon when "The Joe Cell" was featured in Nexus magazine and after months of trying with someone else in the same boat found the truth of it and that feeling is still there.
Bedini is the same, I know of no one that was able to replicate his original coils, then peswiki did a feature on the school girl motor.
Raise your hand if you went out and bought all the items and then scratched your head as to why id didnt work.
And today he is still selling people the idea, via books, dvd's and now Kits.
Who here has bought a Bedini Coil kit, made it work like it says and find it puts out more power then input?
Who here has a Phd from MIT or the such and can write down the formula for how it works and see the equations of how it works?
I tried to get the attention of people that smart for the kapagen. They threw me out of the forum. I dont blame them.
So can anyone here answer "YES.?
Grant
Quote from: Joffa on February 01, 2011, 04:05:05 AM
It's pretty sad to see not a single soul has said "YES" to your original post...
I've jumped on the band wagon when "The Joe Cell" was featured in Nexus magazine and after months of trying with someone else in the same boat found the truth of it and that feeling is still there.
Bedini is the same, I know of no one that was able to replicate his original coils, then peswiki did a feature on the school girl motor.
Raise your hand if you went out and bought all the items and then scratched your head as to why id didnt work.
And today he is still selling people the idea, via books, dvd's and now Kits.
Who here has bought a Bedini Coil kit, made it work like it says and find it puts out more power then input?
Who here has a Phd from MIT or the such and can write down the formula for how it works and see the equations of how it works?
I tried to get the attention of people that smart for the kapagen. They threw me out of the forum. I dont blame them.
So can anyone here answer "YES.?
Grant
I have no idea why you missed it but, I have been using free energy for years now. I said yes and, you can look at my posts to see what I mean. See my 43 videos also on Youtube.
Bill
Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 28, 2011, 04:33:23 AM
Now, use the joule thief circuit with those leds and possibly add some supercaps, and you will have it. Great light from those leds too by the way.
Bill
Thanks Pirate, I guess i did miss it as this is the only post you seem to have sent on this forum.. Looking forward to seeing your Vids...
Grant...
Joffa:
Thank you.
Bill
Why was this post edited and then moved to god knows where?
From March there will be a new room on Bydgoszcz Polytechnic for study new ecological means of energy producing. It will posses Polands first OU CNF reactor DRJ200.11 and HHO generator. (Flying discs cos of small room are in somewhere other place hidden;-]).
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