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Hi FreeEnergy,
Thank you for sharing.
Your very experiments sounds great to me.
I have just read your post.
I have some caps and motor and will (at least:))) do the first experiment.
Sould I be allowed to cram into my own stuff?
Another way to "play" with caps :
TEP testing :
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tepcoil.htm
I have not done this test yet.
I'm also planning to do it when I receive my two 100 000 uf/40 Volts caps.
But, what I have already noticed is :
Within some particular conditions (coil (motor coil?) bifilar coil, Bedini Motor) you
do not need current (amps) to charge a capacitor, just "special (pulsed?) voltage".
About it, please have a look at :
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Final%20Secret%20of%2015%20Feb%201994/index.html
It sounds like when given some "pulsed/special voltage" any cap is OK to being
charged, giving Q=CV.
And, when this cap is (quickly) tanked up, are we not free (NRG)
to get back the amps for whatever we need?
Best of All,
NerzhDishual
;D Now... today is April Fool's Day...
But... assuming you are being real here...
It may be as simple as the motor being mismatched with the capacitor.
Of course discharging the entire cap will run the motor and discharge the cap. But does it make efficient use of the power?
What you have shown may be that the motor was wasting power i.e. it will only turn so fast.
So with the extra cap - you catch that extra voltage and reuse it.
And what is the DC DC converter? Since caps charge to the voltage of the source... how is this multiplying voltage?
But... while we are talking about wild ideas... :)
How about replacing one of the caps with a coil - an air-core conical coil with bifilar windings - with one coil connected to the primary circuit and the other connected to a secondary circuit.
If you choose the L and C to make the circuit resonate at the frequency of the source... then the coil should have zero inductance and behave like caps in series... this might pull voltage off to the secondary without adding resistance to the source and therefore not increasing the current used from the source.
Hi Elvis
Yes I'm a real human being, perhaps a too naive one.
As I'm 58 years old, I guess, being so naive, I should better be off line.
Actually, I was not aware that just saying that you can fill a cap without current
could deserve you such wrath/mockery and a kinda direct sending to hell?
Just check out the date/hour from France.
When I posted my message April 1Th was over.
Anyway, I was saying:
"I have some caps and motor and will (at least:))) do the first experiment."
Would you be so kind as to let me alone doing a simple experiment
before I should have to build any air-core con(?)ical coil with bifilar windings?
I must confess that most of your clever suggestions are over my head.
I'm not a graduate scientist just a mere computer programmer which can read a meter.
Sorry for my English.
My French is worse.
Veuillez recevoir, Monsieur, l'expression de mes salutations les plus distingu?es.
I was certainly not mocking you. We must have lost it in the translation. And I will take the blame because I am a lazy American who allows his representatives to rape and pillage the globe.
I do what I can to try and stop the things we do.... but I am just one man. But we are growing in numbers and maybe soon we will see the real promise of America.
Actually, my doubt was pointed to the original post. Time is a factor in electronics. In the case of the experiment - I said that it proves nothing. And I say that not in a bad way at all. I simply want to point out the logic to you. If you want to experiment, then it must prove something.
In this case, it only proves how much time a motor will run on a charge... and how to use all of the charge to power the motor instead of wasting it.
If this was the whole post, I might say that it is a very efficient circuit - but not overunity...
But then I saw your post. I think you are thinking the same as me
QuoteWithin some particular conditions (coil (motor coil?) bifilar coil, Bedini Motor) you
do not need current (amps) to charge a capacitor, just "special (pulsed?) voltage".
And so - I suggested that you are correct.
Look here... http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html
and read the next few pages.
Maybe you can move voltage to the secondary without resistance....
i found this on the web, it seemed pretty simple to understand. will it work? i dont know. if someone can build this and see...
Unfortunately the experiment with the motor proves nothing.
But the DC DC converter sounds weird - how is it multiplying voltage without dropping current? Your motor needs the current to turn... voltage alone will not do it.
NerzhDishual if experiment one (first picture) prooves to be true then i think it will work!
Hi All-
This stuff looks fun! - thanks FreeEnergy for the posts.
OK then so looking at experiment one first, wouldn't one need to record the speed(or revolutions) of the little DC motor in all tests before making any conclusions? Just as Elvis said it seems this doesn't prove anything as is. Also wouldn't at 6.5 volts running the motor be much slower anyways if it even ran at all??
In the other experiment with the dc dc converter. What exactly is a dc dc converter? I mean I have seen them for example as a 12VDC to 24VDC converter. So what in this test do we suppose it(the dc dc converter) is converting from and to then??
Just wondering
Hi Elvis,
OK. Misunderstanding/translation jam.
The "polemic" is over.
Please note that I have actually nothing against American 'people'
and most of time I do get along with...
'OU' or not 'OU' that is the question!
'OU' or 'mere' super-efficiency that is another question!
Does some experiment prove something that is a third question?
About resonance:
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html
I had already downloaded this page.
I had also learnt that at school.
Voltage without current (or alternative voltage with current
but with cosine(phi)=0) means no power.
OK.
But if I can notwithstanding charge a cap with what seems to be only voltage
(i.e. with no power or very few power) that almost weld my screwdriver
when sort-circuited after being filled, I think that I am allowed to
ask me some questions.
About the caps/motor experiment:
My biggest cap is a (100 Euros) one farad "beast" that I dare not
to use for the moment...
I have tried to run my small 3 volt motor with a 10 000 uF/25 Volts
tiny cap (charged with a 12 volts bat).
The motor do not fire and runs during a big second :((...
That is not long enough for doing any measurement.
I have ordered a 100 000uF/40 volts (50 Euros).
This motor, if not burning, should run during a little bit more that 10 seconds.
I will try to measure the amps.
I'm not so in a rush, I would like to familiarize myself with caps before.
After that I will try the one Farad cap or spend more euros to order
a less 'greedy' and more fitted motor and another caps.
BTW (off topic?) I have already tried to charge a 1000 uf/400 volts cap
with a small Bedini motor running with a small not-in-good shape 7.2 Volts bat.
The neon is glowing.
When the cap is wired the neon stops glowing.
After few seconds le cap voltage reach more than 100 volts, the neon
is glowing again and the caps voltage keeps on increasing slowly until
about 120 volts.
After that I disconnect the cap and I short-circuit it with a big screwdriver.
The sound and the spark are noticeable.
Of course this is not science (for the moment) but just messing for the fun of it :)).
I have done no serious measurement. But I will.
I have just noticed that there is practically not current at the output
of a Bedini motor.
I must confess that one of my half baked crackpot ?secret? ideas
is to get a self running Bedini motor with only a cap.
You just fill the cap. And the motor lives one's own life.
Like the Reidar Finsrud?s ?moving sculpture? that you have to hand start.?
According to J. Bedini (as I can catch it) you can not close the loop with a single bat with his SSG motor?
A bat (which is a chemical device) can do only one thing at the same time:
being charged or giving electrical power.
Of course, I have tried to do it (just short-circuit the output, see the circuit). It does not explode anything but seems useless.
Of course you could imagine a flywheel and a switching circuit.
But does the bat would accept being so messed up?
Perhaps a cap (which is also a chemical device, apart from Leyde bottles)
could be more ?tolerant??
My problem is that I have to fill the cap with high (=/= 100/200 volts)
pulsed voltage and I have to feed the 2N 3055 with less voltage.
Using another transistor?
But the serious caps are only rated for few volts
You can get a 100 farad/2.2 volts super cap? etc?
Ok. Off topic again. Sorry.
Very Best.
again, I'm sorry if you took offense. My intentions were good.
I'm no electrical engineer myself. :)
Any potential difference is voltage. Resistance to that voltage generates current. Voltage stored in the static field of a cap is limited and will be used up generating current.
The trick is to find a way to charge your cap from a limitless 'free' energy source.
If this potentially works is it because your stopping the 50% of the flow from destroying the dipole moment? as I understand it in a conventional circuit half the energy from the battery is always utilised in the load because the other half is needed to carry the flow back round to the dipole, effectively destroying anything above COP 0.5
It is doing something... because it should result in an almost 100% use of energy. Very little would be lost to heat.
There's no doubt that it "works" - but it's never gonna make energy... you only get what you put in.
Elvis Oswald i think you're right, the only time it is "wasting" energy is when it does its switching.
will last for a very very very long time. but hey maybe the switchs can be switched by gravity somehow. ;)
this way energy won't be wasted.
* who knows ??? :o :-X :-\
source link:
http://energy.spiritworld.info/free_energy_systems.html?http://energy.spiritworld.info/back-emf.html
About that link... first of all - what is a DC-DC Converter?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC-DC_converter
My first post.
This is a great site, I have been reading this site for over a year now and have enjoyed many discussions on topics of overunity. A little background: I have been physically working on the ideas and philosophies around transpiring the matter of zero point energy into electrical energy. I see a commonality with the free energy circuit and the Butch Lafonte? motor, Hans Coler and other overunity devices. I am not sure about the hoaxes, conspiracy theory, and truth of these devices and enjoy as a hobby testing these theories. Most of my time is spent performing these experiments and reading experiments performed by Michael Faraday, Tesla and trying to understand Maxwell?s math, although being a software developer my math is not well refined. I would like to perhaps post some of my results from my experiments here, given I make time to do it, and invite anyone to add comments or criticism that may lead to brain storming any ideas to relies overunity. History: Beginning 2004 developed a circuit to produce a pulse wave at different frequencies via 555 timer.? Experimented with splitting water, creating Hydrogen and Oxygen to power a small motor and development of a small device to test explosion of gas from water splitting. As stated by Stanley Meyer. Those experiments lead to a better understanding of different possible pulse waves and frequencies including BEMF from the step up transformer. In trying to keep this short I developed a device based on Butch Lafonte?s idea which has lead into experiments with Hans Coler inventions as well as other similar ideas using magnets. Currently I have documented the Barkhausen effect and also have found interesting results with regards to a frequency of 2.2 to 2.5 MHz which I am currently running tests to see what may be producing spikes at this frequency. When either pulsing the soft steel core coil or suspending a magnet and having it slowly move pass the core the frequency is detected. I believe I know what is happening here but any input is welcome. Beyond that I hope to post some cool pictures of oscilloscope readings and pics of the devices I create. I often wonder if people set out trying to create overunity devices for money or fame? Personally I would just like to be self sufficient so as to live on a mountain and provide my own energy at little cost. Besides knowledge learned is knowledge gained even if I can not reproduce an overunity device.? ? ? ?
? ?
Camster
Hi Camster ,
would like to see your devices and scope shots ! YOu can post them here as attachments in JPEG or
GIF format for example.
What happens when you excite your iron cores at 2.2 to 2.5 Mhz ?
Can you excite them into Barkhausen oscillations ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan
I will get to work on a site today where I can post images and video's of some of my projects. Most of my documentation is in a notebook so I will have to transfer it to electronic means. My images are large so as to get good resolution so I think I will provide my own server and bandwidth for everyone to view. I will post on this topic the link when I am done.
Camster
Okay, great, looking forward to see this.
I think the Barkhausen effect is still one big effect
which could be used for overunity systems to extract electrical energy.
Here we are as promised. It's nothing fancy I only had a couple hours to create the site and I hope to get some time to post more details on my findings. http://www.cmnet.ca/projects
Camster
Hi Elvis!
You asked "... What is a DC-DC converter?"
I have purchased a small one (24.90 Euros) - Picture joined.
The specs are:
Input voltage 12 - 13.8 Vdc
Ouput voltages 15 - 16 - 18 - 19 - 20 - 22 - 24 Vdc
current 6A max (for 15 - 16 - 18 - 19 - 20 Vdc).
/ 5A max for 22 - 24Vdc output)
It is used to power a portable computer with a car battery.
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I have received my 100 000uf/40V cap.
I will try to run my motor with it.
If it runs enough time I will purchase another cap else I will also get another motor :)).
BTW: thanks a lot to FreeEnergy for the link.
Best
Hi guys
My results : it does *not* work.
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I utilized:
A 12.5 V battery.
Two 0,1 farad capacitors C1 and C2.
One small toy motor.
One small mechanical meter, two pulleys, a rubber band
(which act as a load) to count up the motor turns.
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Charge C1 whith the bat. (I got about 12.9 volts)
Run the motor with C1 (the "main cap").
Count the turns (ntotal) . I got about 1000 turns.
Charge again C1 with the bat. (I got about 12.9 volts)
Run the motor by discharging C1 to into C2 through the motor.
Count the motor turns (nthrough) . I got about 500 turns.
Run The motor with C1. (at about 12.9/2 volts)
Count the turns (nC1) . I got about 250 turns.
Run The motor with C2. (at about 12.9/2 volts)
Count the turns (nC1) . I got about 250 turns.
I got no noticiable gain...
nC1+nC2+nthrough =/= ntotal.
These are average numbers.
I made 5 experiments with C1 as "main cap".
I also made 5 more experiments after having swapped C1 and C2. (C2 as "main cap").
To be more accurate I got: (nC1+nC2+nthrough/ntotal) = 1.04. (4% gain).
This is not enough to make a favourable conclusion.
BTW:
Elvis was right: without load I grossly got about 50% gain, but this proved nothing.
Pictures to come soon.
Best
thanks NerzhDishual for the confirmation. at least now we know, unless you did something wrong.
Thanks FreeEnergy (my namesake :))) for answering.
These were not my last words.
I will try with another stronger - but not so greedy - motor
(and another load = a weight lifting) and - if needed - order more caps.
Actually, I keep on ordering stuff and spending money for Free NRG... :))
I will also try a JL Naudin "proposal" experiment with a
"bifilar-coil-between-two-caps"(http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tepcoil.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tepcoil.htm))
I do like winding bifilar coils. :))
Best
Nertz_Dishual
It is from Breton language which is not a latin one like French.
Nertz (=/=nerves =/= energy)
Dis (=/= non)
hual (=/= hug)
=/= energy non hugged = Free Energy.
Pictures?
How can you insert an image in this post?
I wish I could be able to insert an image in a post.
Inserting image in a post could avoid wasting everybody time....
Hi NerzhDishual -
Nice work. Too bad though that you didn't prove any gains in actual power :(
I just did some crude experiment myself today with this set up and found about 50% gain in time running the small motor without a load. Not much good is it without it being able to do any work?? Still, I find it odd that it will turn the little DC motor 50% longer...hmmmm... What does it mean do you think and why does it do it?
Also, what about the lifting test the original experimenter did? He claims he gained around 30% more in real lifting work.
It's really cool that you got at the experiment so fast. I'm sure everyone appreciates it as I did. I am going to try some more testing myself and will report back in if I find out anything interesting.
Hi NerzhDishual
please try with a DC motor that has a strong sparking commutator
without a smoothing capacitor at it.
There you should get much more running time.
There will be the Newman effect at work,
recharging the caps via the spark !
Please let us know. Thanks.
Some questions-
Maybe you brighter minds can help me out here with a couple of questions?
I was mucking about with the charging and decharging of capicitors through the small DC motor when I found that when I charged the C1 to 13.5 Volts and then decharged through the motor to C2 I would end up with up with 7.6 V in C1 and then 6.5V in C2. I was first wondering why they are not the same and then maybe more importantly why they total to more than 14V which is more than I started with? I repeated this several times with the same results.
A question regarding the DC/DC converter - This converting of energy isn't 100% efficient, right? The wikipedia says the most common converters are from something like 85% to 95% efficient. So, wouldn't using capicitors and DC/DC converters in this experiment eventually lose power and soon just come to a complete stop?
Unless of course more energy is being produced than you are losing.
just wondering..
Hi everbody
Actually, without a load I also got about 50% gain (just counting up the seconds white the motor is running).
BTW: I had not checked the voltage of the *two* capacitors as pg46 did.
Weigh lifting:
I have done a couple of quick experiments with an Igarashi motor (20G-380).
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjeanyves.hervouet.free.fr%2F4overun%2FIgarashi_Motor_20G_380.gif&hash=a38e83fb266baa7ca81223744f9473b4890425a4)
It runs at 25 turns/min.
I lifted a small 10 grams bolts at about 22 cm high.
I got *no* "indisputable" gain.
I will do more experiments and swap the caps.
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjeanyves.hervouet.free.fr%2F4overun%2Fmotor_2_1.jpg&hash=df332cbbd899b62b9c8e428baa0d9ab913561ee3)
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjeanyves.hervouet.free.fr%2F4overun%2FMotor_2_2.jpg&hash=a907bbc30e26cdd81d07bcf15a8166e970fd8626)
I will also try another motor (witout a small smoothing capacitor).
I have a very sparky motor but it draws too much amp...
I will aslo try this:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjeanyves.hervouet.free.fr%2F4overun%2FJLN_exp.gif&hash=789fbe26854eabd1a5bf7073f72f7cd159cc9b01)
And this small DC-DC converer, which is nore convenient that the big one I was previously talking about. :))
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjeanyves.hervouet.free.fr%2F4overun%2FMax_732.gif&hash=47db7135da634d9a1dad50556cffd38b8fd9f9f2)
Best
Hi All-
NerzhDishual, I sure like the way you get at the projects in a "no nonsense" manner and report back quick with your results. I for one really appreciate your input and the work that you are doing, as I am sure many others do as well. I like the photos too.
I got stalled with my own project since I am having difficulty with a faulty DC/DC converter I got and haven't replaced it yet.
I'll look forward to hearing from you regarding whether you are able to do a complete circle with the original charge. If so that would really be something because even if you didn't do any "more work under a load" then back in step #1, you would still have the same energy charge that you began with. There would be your energy gain because you'll have done the same work(or nearly so) without losing the entire energy as you undoubtably do when you just dump the 13V charge out of a single capacitor through the motor back in step #1 :)
I'm not trying to bust anyone's bubble. Everyone wants to find overunity. But I believe this experiment has been duplicated now enough to know that the original poster was right. :)
The next logical step is to evaluate the findings. My evaluation is that running a dc motor off one cap yields a certain amount of time. If you put another cap on the other end of the motor... and end up with a charge in that cap - you are only proving that energy was lost using the one cap. Probably due to the inability of the motor to utilize the energy at the rate of discharge.
Catching that energy may be "efficient", and a circuit that would do this and run the power through the motor again would certainly mean that you have a super efficient circuit for a dc motor... but it's not overunity.
Hi All-
If one is moving the same amount of energy from capacitor to capacitor while turning a motor(s) without losing the energy then you may have "perpetual motion" which is pretty cool on its own really. While its not over unity as such it might be depending on what those motors are doing for work while they are spinning .. like maybe turning a generator??
Hi folks!
I am setting up new experiments:
- another motor without load, just a very light plastic 'needle' glued on the shaft to see the motion and possibly visually count up the turns;
- the JLN and the DC-DC ones.
According to Hartiberlin, you could recharge a cap via the motor sparks (Newman effect).
Just my crackpot(ed) thought: what if a motor were less sparky when loaded?
Best
Hello chaps
I was just asking myseft about some calculations....
Is there any guy that could do some maths?
Back to Basic and to Back-EMF.I am refering at the initial post from FreeEnergy.
"Back EMF from the Heaviside Layer"
http://energy.spiritworld.info/free_energy_systems.html?back-emf.html (http://energy.spiritworld.info/free_energy_systems.html?back-emf.html)
It is claimed to use 4 (four) 10 000 uF caps hooked in parallel = 40 000 uf.
QuoteThis was just a repetition of the last setup except for measuring centimeters
of weight lifting instead of motor running time.
A thread was fixed to the shaft of the motor allowing it to wind up a 74 gr. weight.
The starting voltage was 10 volts.
Calibrating in step 1 gave us 71 cm lifting.
So, he can lift a mass of 74 gr at 71 cm height with 10 volts and a 40 000 uf capacitor.
For my part, I can only lift a 10 grams bolt at about 22 cm heigh with 12.8 volts and a
0.1 farad cap (claimed precision -10+30%, I have no meter to measure such capacity).
These results are not matching at all.
My question is :
If I give you:
- a "C" farad capacitor;
- a V volts battery;
- a m kilogramme mass;
- a 100% efficient motor;
- idealistic conditions: no losses at all.
You charge the capacitor with the battery.
At what height can you
theoretically elevate this mass by discharging the cap into the motor?
I have already done some maths but I wish I could have it checked because my result sounds weird.
Best
The formular is:
0.5 x C x V^2 = m x g x h
C= Capacitance in Farad
V Voltage in Volts
m = mass in kg
g= earth acceleration constant 9.81
h = height in meter
You get the height when you put this formular this way:
h= ( 0.5 x C x V^2 ) / (m x g)
Remember these small motors will only have about 50 % efficiency...
hmm, I am getting 83.5 Meters lift for just a 10 gramms weight with a 0.1 Farad cap charged
to 12.8 Volts... Hmm, you seem to have a very inefficient motor...
Thanks for the maths..
Actually, I did these calculations and got the same results as yours. :)) (83.5 meters)...
It sounded too strange to me, I thought I was wrong.
83.5 metres vs 22 cm is 0.22/83.5 *100 = 0.26% efficency.
With 40 000 uf, 10 volts and 74 grams, the theorical heigh is: h=0.5*0.04*100/(0.074*9.81)= 2.75 metres.
Efficiency = 0.71/2.75*100 =/=26%
This efficiency is 100 times as big...
My 2 caps and my motor are new.
I do not understand.
Maybe you should try a bigger weight !
Also these small motors have a very low efficiency....
Well I got a chance over the last couple of days to perform some tests based on the free energy circuit setup. I have an image I tossed together that shows the set up. Instead of using the door buzzer I incorporated a switch I made that is very sensitive to magnetic forces. I followed the same of the findings of that described in the free energy circuit until the actual measurement of work . My findings are as follows. 1. Charge cap 1 to 10.32 volts dc. 2. Connect ground to complete circuit. 3. Wait until vibrations were not seen at the mag switch. The measurements in the attached image shows the results and yes It is more volts total than what capacitor 1 was charged with. From there I set up a 6 ft vertical plywood with a small 6 volt hobby motor. I charged cap 1 to 10.32 volts and then discharged the cap into the motor and marked the average position of 6 trials of a small weight lift height. I then charge the caps through the circuit and discharged them in parallel and series but as suspected the motor only lifted to about 50 % of the charged single cap. It seems although the volts have increased the amps have decreased. Friction or resistance must be the culprit. Even though you can achieve high voltage in BEMF you have very little amps and amps are what gives the motor the lifting power. I believe a few others who have tried this got the same results. I repeated the experiment 6 times and got the same results. Changing the caps farad only changed the distribution of the voltage and +- 2 volts. As with all physical experiments something is always discovered. I did discover that using a +, - pulse on the circuit and adding a low power magnet to just behind the driving coil that the magnetic force on the mag switch caused the switch to vibrate faster with more strength. But the conclusion of this is for another day.
Camster
Hi HartiBerlin and All
I was lost.
You had a good idea.
New results.
Charging a 0.1 F cap at 12.8 volts.
Just discharging this cap into the Igarashi (20G-380) motor.
Counting up height and seconds.
No load (just a small nylon washer <1.gr): 24 cm height, 24 seconds.
10 gr load: 22 cm height
60 gr load: 19 cm
100 gr load: 18 cm
150 gr load: 16 cm, 20 seconds
With the other cap I got sighty 'best' results (about one cm more high).
Actually, it depends on the motor, the cap, the load, the time? (:)))
and it is difficult to conclude anything.
I am setting up new experiments (with coils).
Best
Hi-
Anyone able to recharge C1 in the experiment using the 2 caps, the motor and the DC/DC converter?
My own DC converter died, then when I finally revived it I was unsuccessful in recharging C1. But I think my converter is too inefficient perhaps so I need to find another one.
But in the meanwhile I wondered if anyone else ran the experiment and what their results were?
Basically, discarging only one cap through the motor gives you some work for while but then your energy is gone completely :-[.
Discharging your 1st cap through the motor into the 2nd cap gives you a little bit of work AND you still have your original energy(or almost all) :) So, now how can one go about getting most of that energy back into cap 1??
There are other kinds of free energy circuits:
if you are interested,visit
http://depatisnet.dpma.de/
and fill in with:
BE754918
BE438189
and remark the right +/- -pole connections !
and later, in cascade-steps up to MWatts
BE879579
Sincerely
de Lanca
lancaIV URL does NOT work.
Thanks,FreeEnergy,
this problem resolved !
Sincerely
de Lanca
Hi LancaIV
Very interesting indeed these patents in Flemish...
The BE754918 one is about a kinda simplified "Tesla switch". Is it not?
Perhaps the skeptic Argentinian web site (the one whose name is written on each page of the Torbay's patent) could also be interested in that stuff?
Pleeeeze stop kidding us...
Best
Dear NerzhDishual,
your comment has got the right idea inside:
if Motor/Generator combination work- how micronize this concept,
how take-away the need of rotor -mass-movement,
Micro-MEG and Micro-MEM combination,like photo-/thermo-voltaic cells !
Transistor/switch-dimension level !
The world needs only "1-one" functional model(l),
the developper can be a "Flame,Francais,Italiano,Espanhol,Deutscher,
Raeto-Romane,African,American,Asian,Ozeanian et cetera or (von mir aus)
with external help:Klingone ,Venusier,Marsianer-
male or female or Zwitter,
young or old
mother-language unimportant,
estate-membership unimportant,
political orientation unimportant,
-only this 4D solid functional model(l)/prototype will be the "gate",
because it will be "Open Source" !!! Free global design distribution:WEB2CAD !
Sincerely
de Lanca
p.s.: www.io.com/~frg/ as example Macro2Micro but the same e-source.
TAC2MEMS-TAR even body-heat
De som faz-se luz ?
Caro LancaIV,
Eu n?o falo Portugu?s.
Are you sure that Motor/Generator combinations could work (ie: give OU)?
It is against the *holy laws* of thermodynamic. ;D
Is it not?
Actually, I'm more into solid state devices.
Thank you for your link: http://www.io.com/~frg/ (http://www.io.com/~frg/).
*Sounds* stange but perhaps the light comes from sound ???
Best
Ra vezo an Nerzh ganez!
You think specially about the 2nd thermodynamic -"Sadi Carnot"-law !?
I have had today a 3/4 hour call with Sven Mielordt and he said that "only"
this law is the "holy center" from the thermodynamic complex !
I know what I have to do,U2 ?
Rotatoric,linear or translatoric/static - only importance-let it work !
Sincerely
de Lanca
Sorry, LancaIV, actually, I was joking.
I do not know who Sven Mielordt is.
I do not consider the laws of physic as 'holly'.
I feel more like an "epistemological anarchist? (cf. Paul Feyerabend).
Of course, I also want to have (or see) something 'that works'.
But, IMHO, there is some of devices that works or had worked.
Best.
Cher(-e:lapsus) Monsieur NerzhDisual,
Sven Mielordt is also one of the "Searcher-family"(also book-writer).
Excuse moi,Paul WER?
I only know "Feyerabend" as time after work !Pardon moi !
"Epistemological",is there the danger that this could become "epi-/pan-demical"?
Toucher!
Let us be "serious":from solid state devices like conventional IC-engine and electric generator combination
to the BE817971 -idea ! as simple beginning !
Sincerely
de Lanca
Hey NerzhDishual,
"Dynamotor"-combinated Motor/Generator concept
but he,Robert Jackson,shows also alternatives:
www.geocities.com/robertjackson58/robspatents.html
but:peswiki.com comment
Sincerely
de Lanca
Hey or hello again NerzhDishual,
could you give me help ?
When you visit:depatisnet and look for FR2809241
you will find an invention from Belaid(France)/Tarik(DZ,Algerie) Yebda,but without a clear address !
Now my wish:
Can you find them through pagesblanches or INPI/FR ?
Can you stimulate him/them to tell about their concept
in this forum ?
Sincerely
de Lanca
Hi De Lanca,
please always give the right URL for the patents.
You can find them by going to:
http://ep.espacenet.com/search97cgi/s97_cgi.exe?Action=FormGen&Template=ep/en/number.hts (http://ep.espacenet.com/search97cgi/s97_cgi.exe?Action=FormGen&Template=ep/en/number.hts)
and then enter the patent numberin this form.
Then comes up for the upper patent:
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=FR2809241&F=0 (http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=FR2809241&F=0)
This is the right URL which will go directly to the patent !
Danke sehr fuer die Berichtigung/Unterweisung,
bin gerade bester Stimmung,
den linken Daumen durch eine 2`X2`X1` NEO und Dynamo-Blech-Kante Relation und Folge ("Frischfleisch") erfahrungsreicher,
somit fur externe "Hilfen" aktuell recht offen !
MfG
de Lanca
p.s.:Ich hoffe/erwarte von Mitgliedern/Teilnehnern ein Minimum
an geistiger Anteilnahme/Mithilfe,dementsprechend offene
Fragen durch folgende "posts" beantwortet werden,falls noetig !
Sollte "man" sich nicht geophysikalisch auskennen,
Bayern,Muenchen:zwischen dpma und espacenet ist nicht
ein weiter Weg !
Nicht weit entfernt von einer der Isar-Inseln,darauf ein
"Deutsches Museum",physik-orientiert !
Ich wohnte auch in Muenchen,unser/e Vermieter/-in
A.Ratzinger
Trindade-naehe !
Hello LancaIV
Sorry for answering late.
The French patent FR2809241 have not been granted. It is just a "request for patent".
I suppose that is why there is no precise adresse on the document.
With only a name you can not get an adresse or a phone number in France via
"pagesblanches". (http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pb.cgi?). (http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pb.cgi?).)
For those who could be interrested in that stuff, I have downloaded the Belgian patents we were talking about (from Espacenet):
BE754918
BE438189
BE879579
As you can download the original document in pdf format but not print it, I have transformed them into .gif files.
They are on: http://jeanyves.hervouet.free.fr/weird_patents/ (http://jeanyves.hervouet.free.fr/weird_patents/)
I have also added the "request for patent" FR2855676 which is very close.
All these patents are telling the same thing:
Take a battery, a motor, a dynamo.
Run the motor with the battery.
Run the dynamo with the motor.
Close the loop by charging the battery with the dynamo....
You can improve the "device" by switching the motor and the dynamo.
Sorry, but, IMHO, this looks too good to be true and, BTW, is absolutely against mainstrean science.
But, who know? You can say the same for the "Tesla Switch".
Best
Hello NerzhDishual,
thanks a lot for the temptation to get success !
I know that it is difficult to find the searched people.
Yes,this are all e-cycle-systems,the Yebda non-mechanical-motive
and without permanent magnets.
And this is their goal !Cheap materials !
But to find them is one solution,that they will be cooperative the next question and at least the output-max ?
Sincerely
de Lanca
Nerzh - Back about page 9-10, you said you had done an experiment with a method of counting turns. I didn't understand the mechanism well enough from your description, and lack the equipment and money to buy it, to reproduce that experiment. But I'd like to suggest one addition: A motor on both the positive AND negative poles of C1 and C2. Run them simultaneously with two meters. Do you get 500 turns apiece or only 250?
Hello NerzhDishual,
here is some "Brain-storming"-food,
beginning with open cycle/amplifying and with open-end:
US4963073 Tash/Hartmann :MEP(ump) UU or OU ?
FR667647 Meredieu (compare with Yebda !)
FR633752 "
FR2528257 Menzer
FR2680613 Meyer-Mace
WO8204096 Chambrin
BE1135389 Dezoomer
FR2695768 Trilles ( this let me wondered about the
Dragan Kovac publication )
Motor/Generator concepts
FR934608 Ackermann
FR2657474 Bonin
FR2738687 Malgorn more detailed numbers:KW,RPM,...
FR2461394 Cordier " " "
I hope this give an overview about possibilities-
and it is not "fast food"!
Sincerely
de Lanca
thanks for all the nice inputs
Hi Sixthflyingman
I see what you mean.
Very ingenious, IMO.
Infortunately, I have only one motor and one 'mechanical meter' of that 'brand'.
These are 'recovery' stuffs. (What do you call that in English?)
The small 'counter/meter' is from an old K7 recorder, and I do not not remember
where the motor is from. ???
Anyway, I will order 2 identical motors when I purchase new things and, perharps, I could swap the 'counter/meter'.
My experiments:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjeanyves.hervouet.free.fr%2F4overun%2Fexperiment.GIF&hash=e84870f223bacb08ca5f70be0f3f1b86bc132208)
Your proposal one:
(https://overunityarchives.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjeanyves.hervouet.free.fr%2F4overun%2FSugges_experiment.GIF&hash=8e0361897ef4e1392d20de202fa37843c38d3f2a)
Best
BTW:
Of course, skeptics (who are sneaking around here) could tell us:
Well newbies!
Are you expecting to cheat ours official mainstream science holly laws with such childish experiments?
U must B insane or crass ignorant...
Salve LancaIV
As I can guess it, you are into patents. So am I.
You also sounds to be into languages (Portuguese, English, German, French, else?).
Are you not?
Lei parla Italiano?
Habla Espa?ol?
Anyway, thanks a lot for yours patents numbers.
However, I find very tedious to get a patent from Espacenet.
Of course, it is free and that is great!
But, if you want to get the original document, you have to recover
it in pdf format - page after page - and you can not print theses pages out
as they are locked by the wiever (this was not he case few months ago).
What I do is to tranform the pdf(s) in .gif(s) or .jpg(s) images and zip them.
If the job had already been done, why should we do it again?
So, may I suggest you to put your already downloaded patents in the files section of these yahoo groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatentsN
N = 1 to 9.
The files section of http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents1 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energypatents1) is full.
But there is a lot of room in the others groups.
Everybody can find in these Yahoo groups an huge load of (alleged FE) English patents and some French ones.
Nearly all of the Tesla Patents are in these files sections.
Best
What exactly are you atempting to do in the diagrams posted?
Are you atempting to exchange energy from the capacitor to the motor?
Valveman
Hello(salute)NerzhDishual(vulgo FE),
I can read italiano i espanhol but without "sufficient ambient sphere"
I do not write or speak "foreign" !
I am not a "patent freak",
these works represent many thousands hours of menwork and
billions of invested money units in materials,tools,machines and more !
To get the "patents" in printable version I recommend the depatisnet
web-side !
After reading the Chambrin-WO publication the study of the work
from Mr.David Hudson(Google:keelynet,ORMES) becomes a little more clear,
the relativity: iron to H2(O) derivates and element transmutation !
Electricity:What element ? Transformer,motor/generator core :
which material ?
Sincerely
de Lanca
Salve Valveman!
Thank you very very much for answering.
What am I expecting?
First of all: setting up a suggested funny experiment, should I be allowed doing it?
Else: tying to understand something.
Actually:
Please, just check out any (undergraduate) physics textbook.
I have one of it in hands. (I could scan it but it is in French language).
Lets take a C farad (C1) capacitor, charged with V volts.
You get (energy) W= 1/2 * C * V^2 joules.
Example :
I used a 0.1 farad cap. charged at 12.9 volts.
The energy w is : W= 1/2 * 0.1 * 12.9 * 12.9 = 8.32 joules
Lets discharge this C1 cap into another similar C farad one (C2). With no motor(s).
What do you get?
The two capacitor are now charged at V/2 volts each.
The new energy w' becomes:
W'= 2* (1/2 * O.1 * 6.45 * 6.45)= 4.16 Joules
What the heck is this result?
Have I lost half of the Energy?
Is the energy not conserved?
Not at all, said my physics textbook!
The reasoning is (sorry for my translation, but the French text is not so limpid):
There have been production of another energy that the electric charging energy of the second cap. The wires between the two cap have been travelled by an electric current which have produced in these wires a calorific energy w''. This calorific NRG does not depends upon the resistance of the wires and represents the difference w-w'' wich equals W/2.
Ok scientists...
So, when I put a motor betwen the two caps, I guess that the calorific NRG should vanish as I have the same results (V/2 for each cap) plus a motor running.
Sixthflyingman was just asking : What about having two motors running?
Sorry, but I can not help smelling a rat.
Le bonjour chez vous...
Hi LancaIV
I am not sure to always understand you fully. ???
Could you tell us what the URL of the Depatisnet web site is?
Thanks.
Best
Hello NerzhDishual,
http://depatisnet.dpma.de
I hope so !
You wrote in your last (valveman) post about "caloric",
did you read the Chambrin or Trilles publication ? Refrigeration.
I think that we have to accumulate Lorentz with Carnot !
Sincerely
de Lanca
p.s.: "sangue",blood:which materials ?
Hi All-
I have done the sixthflyingman experiment using two 22,000uf caps and two small motors as per diagram by NerzhDishual. I have run the test many times over.
The 2 motors spin just as long as when we only use only one motor to charge c2 as in test #1. Sorry, as I don't have the rpm recorded or any torque figures. So seems you can spin motor #2 for free just as long as motor #1 :)
Another curious thing is I always end up with slightly more volts than I begin with. For example starting with C1 charged to exactly 14V and then discharging through the motor(s) to C2, I will end up with 7.1 or 7.2 volts in each cap??
I have to admit that my meters are not the best in the world but I have two different models getting the same results. Anyone finding the same thing or can offer any explanations?
Best,
really good news! :o
PG46
One reason why you may have higher voltage in on cap than another is that the capacitor does not discharge fully so back emf adds to the partially charged cap. Unfortunately this system will die out as a load draws current.
Valveman
Valveman-
Thanks for your opinion. Perhaps you're right I'm not sure what is happening there. I heard of back EMF but don't know anything about it.
The two things that I found are -
1) 2 motors will run longer than 1
If I use 2 caps and one motor as in experiment #1. I can run the motor(M1) for 14 sec when discharging C1 into C2
In the sixthflyingman setup the 2 motors M1 and M2 will together run for 17 sec when discharging C1 into C2, a 20% increase
2)increase in total voltage when discharging into other caps-
When charging the cap(s) using 14 to 15 VCD and then discharging into other cap(s) I find at least a 4% increase in voltage in total across all of the caps. So for example if I charge C1 with 14V and then discharge into C2 I could end up with a figure of 7.3V in each cap
best regards,
Back EMF. EMF (Electro Motive Force) Back EMF occurs because a motor has windings which essentially is a coil. A coil is nothing more than an inductor and an inductor opposes the flow of current ie current lags the voltage by 90 degrees. In a dc motor, you have a commutator that switches on and off the motor windings and creates a magnetic field. The coil builds up a magnetic field when the commutator connects the coil. When the connection is broken, the field collapses such that the current flow when collapsing, flows in the opposite direction that created it. This reverse flow works in opposition to the current you apply to make the motor turn. This back emf is not a desireable thing and limits a motors RPM and efficiency.
Valveman
Thanks Valveman-
So EMF messes with the efficiency of motors, huh? Thanks for the info. Will have to give all your info some time to sink in. Thanks!
I find that charging and discharging the caps direct into each other without the use of motors gives me similar results, that is an increase in total voltage. So if for example I charge C1 to 14v and then connect direct to an empty C2, then I might have 7.5V in C1 and 7.5 in C2 also. I would have expected 14V total or actually a bit less even to account for some kind of efficiency loss. I can carry on down the line with charging a 3rd Cap, C3 direct from C1 and C2 which are now connected and wind up with 5v in each cell. I have carried on like this up to 8 equivelant caps in a row all hooked in parallel. So I might wind up with 2volts each in eight caps at the end. Which is 2 volts more than the 14 Volts I began with, 2x8=16V...hmm...??
Kinda cool that you can get power from motors all the way down the line while doing this little trick too. So anyone know how to gather up these little 2 volt charges that remain in the caps and combine them back to a more useful 12V to recharge C1 again?
pg46, just for a conversation point, if you are not using electrolytic caps, you might want to try a simple quick experiment.
1) Leave you charging setup exactly the same, EXCEPT change the polarity of your charging source.
I'm making the assumption that you are using some type of dry contact switching to charge the caps. If you are using solid state charging then ignore this and move on.
If I am correct, you should see a difference?
"So EMF messes with the efficiency of motors, huh?"
Yes absolutely since Back EMF is trying to oppose the rotation of the motor by applying an opposite field. The faster the motor rotates, the stronger the back emf is. Anytime wires or coils cut through the magnetic lines of flux, they will induce a voltage. This is represented by the right and lefthand rules. Righthand rule for motors and lefthand rule for generators.
http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14177/css/14177_38.htm
Therefore the motor when turning also generates voltage and current which flows in the opposite direction.
This is why a DC motor can also work as a generator.
Valveman
Hi RonS-
I am using a 5 amp 12v battery charger for source. Not quite sure about what you mean about reversing the polarity or why would we want to do that. Perhaps you can comment further?
Thanks again valveman for the info and the link also.
My gains in total voltage across the caps can happen without the use of motors though and didn't record any difference in results whether I used them or not. I will have to run many more test though to make sure.
best,
For pg46;
You can communicate with me direct via my email (its exposed).
What I was asking you to try was;
In charging caps (if I understand what you are doing correctly) you complete the circuit between the caps and the charging source in some way, i.e., switch, relay or maybe a solid state such as a transistor of MOSFET. If you are not using solid state switches, then there is a slight contact arc and bounce. This arc can affect you resulting charge (depends on arc or bounce cycles). Now by reversing your supply polarity you will be changing the where and how much energy is consumed in the small arc or bounce period. It may be possible that you will see a decrease in you excess cap potential.
Hi RonS-
Yes, I see what you're saying - thanks for clarifying.
At first I thought it was the small DC motors I was using that increased the voltage. That is I thought perhaps after the power was spent out of the caps that spun the motors, then maybe the motors were "coasting" or running briefly on momentum and therefore giving a small charge back to the caps since then they would themselves turn into generators as Valveman pointed out. In fact I believe people have already built systems based on this very idea. I didn't think it was likely though for my case since there wasn't much momentum left in the small motors I use.
Besides, later on I found that even without the motors the total voltage increased when discharging one cap into another. hmmm???...curious thing that. So, then I found that the higher the voltage the more likely it was to obtain a gain in total voltage across the caps. So, as I proceeded on down the line to the lowest voltages of say 4,3 or 2 volts then I didn't record any gain and in fact I think I may have lost some voltage sometimes. So, then since I am switching it manually myself by wire and clips it most often produces an arc or a spark when connecting. The higher the voltage, the greater the spark and so then the greater increase in voltage gain.
Rather than trying to rid the system of arcing I want to check out this voltage gain seemingly caused by this effect.
I will plan next to try it with larger capacity caps at higher voltages to see what the results are.
Ahh, you also see the Newman effect, that is, if you use sparks you see a voltage increase.
So if you are using sparking commutator motors you also see this voltage increase.
It is due to the spark that comes from the Back EMF and which converts either
metal ions into electricity or a ZPE extraction via the spark or a chemical to electrical energy
conversion of
Nitrogen gases during the spark.
pg46: Do you get the same gain while using a solid-state mechanism for transferring the charge?
I'm getting way too many good ideas from this forum. I need some money to go out and build some of this myself.
sixthflyingman tell us about it! :o
Those motors in between the caps? Run two in series. How much out do you get?
Wow. I just read some of the earlier pages, and damn. I'm flattered, you named a design for this free energy machine after me?
POST PICTURES/VIDEOS PLEASE ;D
Hi All-
Sixthflyingman-
I did run the two motors in series once or twice and didn't notice anything significant. Without doing rev counts and torque etc. I found that they will turn just as fast but then I think the power is halved in each motor. I think I remember that from conventional electrical stuff- so no gain I think in running them in series.
Whats interesting with using caps is moving the energy around and using it on the way for various things and still having all of the energy you started with(albeit in ever decreasing voltages) until when you fully discharge the system.
I spent $6 on caps and $4 on motors and am having lots of fun. :)
so you're just moving the energy around between the caps and the motor(s) without wasting energy.
There's only one problem with this whole thing, as we've got it so far: In order to continue to increase the energy that has been put out, we need to continue to add caps.
All we need is a high-efficiency unregulated DC-to-DC converter. And, as much of a computer nut as I am, I have little to no experience or knowledge of analog electronics... Someone here mind posting a schematic for one?
Yes, that's right, well that is until you fully dscharge the system at some point.
But whats even more interesting to me is the possible gain in total voltage from moving this energy from place to place.
Like hartiberlin has mentioned earlier-
Ahh, you also see the Newman effect, that is, if you use sparks you see a voltage increase.
So if you are using sparking commutator motors you also see this voltage increase.
It is due to the spark that comes from the Back EMF and which converts either
metal ions into electricity or a ZPE extraction via the spark or a chemical to electrical energy
conversion of
Nitrogen gases during the spark.
Quote from: pg46 on May 26, 2006, 04:39:27 AM
Yes, that's right, well that is until you fully dscharge the system at some point.
But whats even more interesting to me is the possible gain in total voltage from moving this energy from place to place.
Like hartiberlin has mentioned earlier-
Ahh, you also see the Newman effect, that is, if you use sparks you see a voltage increase.
So if you are using sparking commutator motors you also see this voltage increase.
It is due to the spark that comes from the Back EMF and which converts either
metal ions into electricity or a ZPE extraction via the spark or a chemical to electrical energy
conversion of
Nitrogen gases during the spark.
However, the ideal perpetual motion machine would be solid-state and not require the mechanical switches.... So, if that is indeed the Newman effect (did you do the experiment with solid-state transistor switches like I asked?) then it's irrelevant.
Also right sixthflyingman-
Hey you need a shorter nick name BTW.
Yes, so if one started out with 12 V in one capacitor and then ends up with say 7 caps with 2 V each, you started with 12 and now have 14V except that its now in 2Volt form. You could now hook these up in series to have 14 V but then you don't get the total current unfortunately.
Yes, I need that highly efficient DC DC converter. The one I have did not work well at all.
And no, I am still switching manually. I am not sure what the "Newmann Effect" is yet as I need to read up on that more. But I did notice gains without using the motors in between the caps as I mentioned before.
Quote from: pg46 on May 26, 2006, 04:56:23 AM
Also right sixthflyingman-
Hey you need a shorter nick name BTW.
Yes, so if one started out with 12 V in one capacitor and then ends up with say 7 caps with 2 V each, you started with 12 and now have 14V except that its now in 2Volt form. You could now hook these up in series to have 14 V but then you don't get the total current unfortunately.
Yes, I need that highly efficient DC DC converter. The one I have did not work well at all.
And no, I am still switching manually. I am not sure what the "Newmann Effect" is yet as I need to read up on that more. But I did notice gains without using the motors in between the caps as I mentioned before.
Call me Sixth or SFM.
The Newman Effect is, in short, the conversion of chemical energy in the air into electrical energy in the caps. Sometimes it is amplified by back EMF, were the gains with the motors noticably greater than those without?
What was the DC-DC converter you used? Post a schematic if you can.
Hi SFM-
I'd have to run the tests again to be sure but I remember there wasn't much more gain with the charges and motors that I used. Well, TO BE SURE the biggest part of the extra voltage effect I get has nothing to do with the motors.
I don't know about the motors and the back emf etc. but I must say here clearly that there is quite some drama happening here with this sparking capacitors business. I can even smell something in the air also after a nice sparky discharge..nitrogen cooking perhaps?
I mean to get some higher voltage capacitors soon and mess around with them and see what damage I can do! Also I hope then that I will have some more usefeful voltages to play with after I finish dividing them amongst a few capacitors.
Actually, I think I do have that schematic of my dc dc converter somewhere -will post it for you if I find it. I haven't the foggiest notion what it was used for and the guy that sold it to me didn't know either. I did fry some components in it once already but I've since repaired it.
all the best
Keep in mind - if the converter was regulated it will be very lossy. See if you can find an unregulated one.
Will do SFM.
Thanks for the tip !
Has anyone thought about attaching a mag to the shafts, winding some coils, and charging a 3rd cap with it? seems like less of a load than the weights and you're putting energy back into the system to boot. Perhaps enought to run a switching circuit?
Quote from: gn0stik on May 30, 2006, 02:39:08 PM
Has anyone thought about attaching a mag to the shafts, winding some coils, and charging a 3rd cap with it? seems like less of a load than the weights and you're putting energy back into the system to boot. Perhaps enought to run a switching circuit?
First of all, we'd need DC; though that's easily solved, we'd have to find a way to prevent the capacitor from sdischarging itself as would happen with an ordinary AC-DC circuit. Secondly, that type of DC-DC converter is extremely inefficient unless you've got a GOOD motor, that costs a hekuva lot of money.
anymore news on this?
guess not :-\
just posting so I'll have a link here.triffid
Please see : http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4419.0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4419.0)
The capacitors/condensers story is still alive.
Best
mix/add a JOULE THIEF circuit and i think we have a winner! :-)
I did end up building a joule thief, I got the LED to flicker a couple of times and a few small sparks. I don't know what I did wrong but I think it has something to do with the ring toroid. Maybe not enough wrapping of coil wire. I don't know.