09052010284 - Vox (http://inquorate.vox.com/library/photo/6a0110169c703a860d01240bd1c62a860e.html)
Plain and simple.
www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=-MjwCrbZPaQ&nomobile=1
Www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=Quav2TbN6OU&nomobile=1
Www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?s=bb1ce9e4dec3f8bffd29a289de8c5cde&t=113
I don't think the frequency matters that much, just make the pulse width long enough to build a magnetic field in the inductor, and no longer. Then cut the pulse so there is a reverse voltage spike. Both the initial pulse and the recovered spike charge the charge battery at 60 percent efficiency. That equals 120 percent.
Keep the pulses far enough apart that the charge battery doesn't start to boil; cells get destroyed. Keep the pulses close enough together, and the ions in the charge battery will overcome their inertia and keep going (charging), while the source batteries' ions will not.
To find the saturation point for any inductor using a scope,
09052010285 - Vox (http://inquorate.vox.com/library/photo/6a0110169c703a860d01347eecb5ab860b.html)
You'll see that the voltage from the coil collapse will stop increasing when the pulse width gets beyond a certain point.
Or, without a scope, a voltmeter on a high voltage recovery cap to measure the top voltage will probably suffice. Once the voltage recovered stops increasing, you've found the saturation point.
Here's the scope shots to expect
Www.inquorate.vox.com/library/photo/6a0110169c703a860d0123de3f1b57860d.html
The topmost waveform is from the sig gen, the next from coil - emitter junction andgrounded on the rightmost vertical line, the bottom one is from the charge battery positive and grounded as previous.
As you can see, the charge battery spends a lot more time charging than the source batteries spend discharging.
this was the best video I did for scope shots
YouTube - ts bedini hybrid, for ewizard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=Fzid4bLJ7fU&nomobile=1)
Here's the underlying theory;
www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=bQFP_8V7u1o&nomobile=1
www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=mJekKwfOlv4&nomobile=1
www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=DRv1p3HJAjg&nomobile=1
www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=IgfVny7d6MQ&nomobile=1
09052010284 - Vox (http://inquorate.vox.com/library/photo/6a0110169c703a860d01240bd1c62a860e.html)
Plain and simple.
www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=-MjwCrbZPaQ&nomobile=1
Www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=Quav2TbN6OU&nomobile=1
Www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?s=bb1ce9e4dec3f8bffd29a289de8c5cde&t=113
I don't think the frequency matters that much, just make the pulse width long enough to build a magnetic field in the inductor, and no longer. Then cut the pulse so there is a reverse voltage spike. Both the initial pulse and the recovered spike charge the charge battery at 60 percent efficiency. That equals 120 percent.
Keep the pulses far enough apart that the charge battery doesn't start to boil; cells get destroyed. Keep the pulses close enough together, and the ions in the charge battery will overcome their inertia and keep going (charging), while the source batteries' ions will not.
To find the saturation point for any inductor using a scope,
http://inquorate.vox.com/library/photo/6a0110169c703a860d01347eecb5ab860b.html
You'll see that the voltage from the coil collapse will stop increasing when the pulse width gets beyond a certain point.
Or, without a scope, a voltmeter on a high voltage recovery cap to measure the top voltage will probably suffice. Once the voltage recovered stops increasing, you've found the saturation point.
Here's the scope shots to expect
Www.inquorate.vox.com/library/photo/6a0110169c703a860d0123de3f1b57860d.html
The topmost waveform is from the sig gen, the next from coil - emitter junction andgrounded on the rightmost vertical line, the bottom one is from the charge battery positive and grounded as previous.
As you can see, the charge battery spends a lot more time charging than the source batteries spend discharging.
this was the best video I did for scope shots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=Fzid4bLJ7fU&nomobile=1
Here's the underlying theory;
www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=bQFP_8V7u1o&nomobile=1
www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=mJekKwfOlv4&nomobile=1
www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=DRv1p3HJAjg&nomobile=1
www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=IgfVny7d6MQ&nomobile=1
Thanks for your interest
hey Inquorate,
Nice diagram over there and working concept.
Have you checked it by the way? Are you 100% possitive that produces OU?
Have you make repeatable experiments that confirm it?
Or just you express noble wishes?
Hi Inquorate,
Have you considered testing your setup with high value capacitors instead of the battery? Could the working principle remain valid for capacitors?
Or you think the battery chemical effect (like in Bedini's case) is also needed here to get COP>1?
Thanks, Gyula
@Inquorate;
These threads on overunity.com seem relevant to your device:
Thread Link: Mechanical setups/Bedini Systems/Bedini SSG self sustaining/
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7997.0
Summary;
User Plengo constructs a microprocessor test board with sufficient capability
to swap batteries in a setup like this. He also discusses seeing battery
surface charge that may be applicable to this unit. Significantly, he was
never able to demonstrate a self running battery swapping capability using
a Bedini circuit.
-
I was thinking is that it is possible to build a rough inexpensive VFC voltage
to frequency converter using a 78L05 regulator, CMOS NE555 PWM voltage
measuring system that could continuously send back voltage measurements
from each of the three acid/lead batteries to the microprocessor via AC
bypass caps.
---
Thread Link: Electronic Solid State Setup/Joule Thief/
Second Stage Joule Thief circuits/
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8334.0
Summary;
Users Groundloop and GadgetMall construct a microprocessor based
Load Regulator that is set up to turn on and discharge a battery through
a known load of one watt second per second when it's voltage state of
charge of the battery is high and turn it off when the voltage state
of charge of the battery drops.
-
Two inexpensive alarm clocks could be used to show the integrated
time of; (a) The total run time of the experiment, and (b) the total
time the dummy user load is turned on. Over time, eventually exceeding
the capacity of the batteries to store energy, by any number of times.
The thread concludes here;
Thread Link: OverUnity Prize/Devices applied for the OU prize/
OU prize OFFICIAL ENTRY/
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8332.0
Summary;
Significantly what was seen as so much overunity energy seems to
have disappeared during actual testing with adequate instrumentation.
You don't have to show these things, and neither does Steorn.
:S:MarkSCoffman
@Inquorate,
Can you tell a bit more about the coil you used?
- does it have a core? If so, what material?
- do you know the coil value?
- do you know the number of windings?
- Type of wire used for the coil?
- Single winding? Or multiple?
@Inquorate,
I have made my version of your battery charge circuit. My setup runs
as an oscillator. A high Ohm resistor will bias the base of the transistor
so the oscillation starts. The oscillator AC coupling is through the capacitor.
The size (in value) of the capacitor will set the circuit current usage and
thus the output power. The circuit uses approx. 10mA at 24 volt with the
capacitor value in the drawing.
[EDIT] 3 hour charge: The sulphate on the battery plates is now decreasing and the
battery internal resistance is dropping. The first high voltage was surface
charge. The voltage is now 11.85 volt and dropping.
[EDIT] 4,5 hour charge: Voltage dropped to 11.67 volt and started to increase again.
Now the battery voltage is up to 11,93 voltage. The battery is starting to gain
real charge.
Groundloop.
Quote from: mscoffman on May 10, 2010, 03:17:26 PM
Summary;
Significantly what was seen as so much overunity energy seems to
have disappeared during actual testing with adequate instrumentation.
You don't have to show these things, and neither does Steorn.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Mhm interesting, I've read nothing about Steorn anymore, so it's a "phantom" overunity as well?
Now that you summarized that I'd suggest that we should make a sticky thread showing which "free energy"/overunity devices have to be proven not working or at least not with useful results (including phantom Overunity)
So a list and each one has a short summary why they didn't work or what failures were made during that time (e.g. some of them were only collecting radio station signals etc.).
Quote from: teslaalset on May 10, 2010, 03:36:07 PM
@Inquorate,
Can you tell a bit more about the coil you used?
- does it have a core? If so, what material?
- do you know the coil value?
- do you know the number of windings?
- Type of wire used for the coil?
- Single winding? Or multiple?
@teslaalset
You'll need to visit his blogsite and watch his videos...
He gives the metric dimensions. 1mh.
It is an inductor, air core, wound on a plastic wire spool.
20 AWG copper, coating insulated, wire. 80turns...I think.
@groundloop
Are you going to demo battery swapping? You might be able to adapt
your existing mpu signals to do it. I kind of like his opto coupled NE555
driver as it won't go frequency agile on low voltage batteries. He
seems to imply that each battery capacity requires a specific
tuned frequency.?.
@gauscher
>Mhm interesting, I've read nothing about Steorn anymore, so it's >a "phantom" overunity as well?
Not phantom overunity...phantom intelligence. :D
Refusal to show what folks actually want to see.
It can be organizationally fatal though.
:S:MarkSCoffman
@mscoffman,
No, I wont do a battery swapping. It takes way to long to test.
I will try to charge my super capacitor (2,7 volt 650 Farad) later on.
But first I like to see how this circuit charges my lead acid battery.
Groundloop.
Groundloop, thanks for sharing that (and thanks Inquorate for all the info here). Do you know the approximate output current with the existing cap? And being a bit out of touch in circuit design I have to ask if you want more current out would you go to a bigger farad value or lower value?
@e2matrix,
Using a bigger farad value will increase the AC coupling from the trigger coil L1 to
the emitter of the transistor, thus increasing the AC coupling to the base. This will
give more base current and thus, more pulse current through L2. The DC bias can
also be set higher by using less Ohm value on R1. The maximum current through
the coils is set by the size (inductance) of the coils. You can also increase the
circuit current usage by lowering the inductance in the coil by using a permanent
magnet against the core. I got 0,12 Amp, at 24 volt by using a Neo on the core.
I have not measured the output power of the circuit yet.
Groundloop.
@All,
I have measured the COP by charging a super capacitor.
Still a long way to go to reach COP>1 in my circuit.
Groundloop.
Quote from: baroutologos on May 10, 2010, 12:15:38 PM
hey Inquorate,
Nice diagram over there and working concept.
Have you checked it by the way? Are you 100% possitive that produces OU?
Have you make repeatable experiments that confirm it?
If you take a look at the links i posted, you will see that the answer to both your questions is yes.
Thanks for your interest.
Quote from: gyulasun on May 10, 2010, 01:03:28 PM
Hi Inquorate,
Have you considered testing your setup with high value capacitors instead of the battery? Could the working principle remain valid for capacitors?
Or you think the battery chemical effect (like in Bedini's case) is also needed here to get COP>1?
Thanks, Gyula
having trouble with this site on my mobile phone, best luck so far with opera mini 4.
@Gyula - I've tried caps but the tension in them tries to equalize instantly and transistors and optos etc kept dying.
I think if you don't see OU it will be because of capacitor losses. I'd be interested to see the difference in joules in the 'charge' cap with simple pulse and with a pulsed coil and recovery diode.
Unfortunately I'm swamped at the moment, I have a one month old boy and it'll be a while before I get back in the lab.
Quote from: Inquorate on May 11, 2010, 04:30:32 AM
If you take a look at the links i posted, you will see that the answer to both your questions is yes.
Thanks for your interest.
Ok, I am always in the mood for an experiment. ;) I will post results and we discuss findings.
salutes,
ps: congratualtions for your newborn child, young father :)
Quote from: baroutologos on May 11, 2010, 05:00:21 AM
Ok, I am always in the mood for an experiment. ;) I will post results and we discuss findings.
salutes,
good luck, i'll try to be on hand with any questions you may have.
Quote from: Groundloop on May 11, 2010, 04:26:26 AM
@All,
I have measured the COP by charging a super capacitor.
Still a long way to go to reach COP>1 in my circuit.
Groundloop.
have you tried supercaps with the circuit i posted?
@Inquorate,
No, but I will try it. Did you use a 555 circuit to pulse the transistor?
Do you have information on pulse frequency and duty cycle?
Is the attached circuit the one you did use?
Groundloop.
here's the 555 and opto circuit i used;
youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=txJaQPHfKqA&nomobile=1
Pulse width is separately controlled to the off time. That way, the pulse width can be chosen to get the inductor to max magnetic field and no longer, then the pulse is cut and the spike harvested.
The off time can be extended or shortened; not enough 'off' time, and the charge battery will boil. Too much off time and the ions in the charge battery will come to rest before the next pulse, and we lose gain.
One second of pulses and rest and another second of pulses and rest etc may also work well, getting the best of the battery's ions' inertia, as well as avoiding damage to the battery by cutting off before things start to boil.
I want to do these tests but cannot just now as I have a month old infant who's taking up my time atm. But I'll try to help.
@Inquorate,
Thanks for taking time to answer my posts. Congratulations with your newborn.
I did check the youtube video and, yes, the circuit uses a H11D1 opto and a 180 Ohm resistor.
I will soon build the 555 and opto circuit and give it a try.
Thanks,
Groundloop.
thannks for posting the image groundloop, i should mention for others that the pin 6 and pin 2 are connected, hence the dots. I forgot to include that line when i drew it the first time.
@Inquorate,
I'm making a cleaned up version of your drawing.
What are the value of the two potmeters?
Also, what is the value of the capacitor at the 555 IC pin 2?
Groundloop.
Quote from: Groundloop on May 11, 2010, 07:01:53 AM
@Inquorate,
I'm making a cleaned up version of your drawing.
What are the value of the two potmeters?
Also, what is the value of the capacitor at the 555 IC pin 2?
Groundloop.
from memory, the duty cycle pot was 5k, the 'off time' pot was 10k, and the cap was 0.1uF? I'll confirm for you tomorrow but if i go into the lab again tonight i'll be a single parent or a eunich or something..
@Inquorate,
Take your time. :-)
I will solder the 555 circuit tomorrow and post the cleaned up drawing then.
Groundloop.
the capacitor is 0.22uF, the duty cycle pot between pins 7 and 8 is 5k, I had it set on 2.2k. The off time pot is 20k, I had it on 16k, to avoid boiling the charge battery.
I had it like this . . . . . . .
But it could also be like this .... .... ....
To avoid boiling as well, but a computer controlled pic chip would be better to investigate that.
@Inquorate,
Thank you for the information.
Attached is a cleaned up version of your circuit
and also the switch circuit.
Will be testing soon.
Groundloop.
Hi guys any help please? I've biuld a bedini circuit but the thing is that the coil is only hissing no oscillations is happening. Someone had told me to lessen the resistance on the base but it's zero resistance on the pot.
Should I lessen the coil than?
Thanks
@guruji,
Post a circuit drawing of your setup and we will find a solution.
Groundloop.
Hi Ground loop thanks for response. It's a normal bedini circuit but instead of the 1n4001 a 10k resistor and a 20k from base to collector.
This type is a solid state.
Thanks
@guruji,
It is impossible for me to guess what your circuit looks like.
Can you make a simple drawing in Windows Paint and post it here?
Groundloop.
Here it is
@guruji,
Keep your transistor and output diode(s) and the Neon bulb,
but wire the input to the transistor as shown in the attached drawing.
If the oscillator does not start then reverse the trigger coil. (Coil going to the base.)
Groundloop.
First test of my 555 controlled switch:
Input: 6,02 Volt at 0,1896 Amp = 1,141392 Joule
Input was from lab psu and was measured via a 0,25 Ohm 1% non-inductive resistor.
(The resistor is 1% so result may be +/- 1% off for the input.)
Out: 4,13 Volt at 0,187727 Amp = 0,775314 Joule
Output was tested by using a 22 Ohm resistor in parallel with a 10000uF cap.
(The resistor is 5% so result may be +/- 5% off for the output.)
COP = 0,55
At higher input voltage:
Input = 12,03 * 0,440 Amp = 5,293200 Joule
Out = 9,55 * 0,434 Amp = 4,145568 Joule
COP = 0,78
So the cop is improving with higher input voltage.
Input = 15,03 Volt * 0,5568 Amp = 8,368704 Joule
Out = 12,26 Volt * 0,5572 Amp = 6,832163 Joule
COP = 0,81
Even better.
Input = 18,02 Volt * 0,6916 Amp = 12,462632 Joule
Out = 15,00 Volt * 0,6818 Amp = 10,227272 Joule
COP = 0,82
At 18 volt the transistor started to heat up a little so this is the limit for this
circuit version. The coil remained cold.
Groundloop.
Thanks Groundloop I try this setup.
Thanks
can you try it with an air core coil?
@Inquorate,
Air Core Coil:
1000 Turn 0,5mm
Enameled Copper Wire
H=90mm D=55mm d=40mm
12,5 Ohm DC Resistance
Circuit adjusted for best performance at 15 Volt Input:
IN 5,6340 Joule
OUT 3,0192 Joule
COP= 0,53
Circuit adjusted for best performance at 19,97 Volt Input:
IN 10,248604 Joule
OUT 5,63 Joule
COP = 0,55
Groundloop.
hmm, why did my batteries gain voltage then? They most certainly did not lose voltage, which they would have quickly done at a cop of 0.5
@Inquorate,
The circuit (the ferrite core version) is a very good battery charger.
Maybe the ou you see is because of something happening inside the batteries?
Groundloop.
Hi Groundloop about that circuit is it ok on the upper wire that one is positive and on the other end is negative?
Thanks
@guruji,
The circuit output side is a direct copy of the circuit drawing you posted.
Groundloop.
Quote from: guruji on May 13, 2010, 06:54:20 AM
Hi Groundloop about that circuit is it ok on the upper wire that one is positive and on the other end is negative?
Thanks
Probably he means in Reply#33 in the schematics the upper right hand side connection symbol has a green color, just like the negative connection symbol on the lower left side. And the same wire from the upper right hand connection point goes to the upper left connection point which is clored as red, his problem is the same piece of wire has differing polarity symbols at its ends....
Guruji, it is green because of the OUTPUT point of view that is all, ok?
With respect to the INPUT the upper wire from red to green is fully positive, ok?
Gyula
@gyulasun,
Yes, you are correct.
Groundloop.
Hi Groundloop and Gyulasun thanks for help. Groundloop that circuit worked fine thanks. How can I hook multicoil with it?;the same as bedini coils in his circuit?.
Thanks again.
Inq and the rest,
I thought of this about a month ago.
Sounds like the language you are talkin Inq.
QuoteMarch 22, 2010, 02:52:48 PM »
Hello all,
Although I do believe Resonance is a Key Factor in trying to lead out energy from a transformer,
I figured out a way that the primary of a transformer would not be aware of the secondary.
D
------- %---------|<1-----
% |
L--> % $ <---R Rise time of Primary
% $ ___|__ _____
% | | | | |
-------- %------------------ ________| |_____________| |
|
Decay time of RL Secondary
Here's how it works. 1. Pulse in Primary at rise time for circuit.
2. No current flows in Secondary as diode is blocking at this time.
3. When Primary is off... Back pulse from Collapsing Core then allowed through Secondary R.
Thus a Transformer who's Primary is not aware of the load on the Secondary !
Am I the first person to figure this out?
The Observer
Later I noticed Stan Meyer was talking about his VIC? circuit in which he said the Collapsing Magnetic Field did the work.
So I'm probably not the first to think of this. ;o)~
I am, however, an advocate of FerroMagnetic Materials Being OU.
The very fact that a Ferro can amplify the field of coil by 20,000 times (sh_T make it a million) is enough to make a person think !
Short example to get you thinking...
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A common Speaker is actually an OU device.
- The speaker works because it sets up a dynamic Electromagnetic System.
- It takes energy to set up this system.
- When you replace the Magnet with Coil... and the take away the Ferro inside the coil connected to the amp,
you then find out the energy needed to set up the system --- True Conservation or Energy.
- The Magnet and Ferro inside the coil add energy to the system by virtue of unpaired spinning electrons they contain.
In short. It takes WAY more energy to run a speaker
if you take away Ferromagnetic Materials (magnet and iron from inside coil).
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I say...
the collapsing field of a high Magnetic Permeability core (make it a million) inside a coil is highly likely to give OU.
The energy that gives the OU is called Anisotropic Energy...
it is the Quantum Energy that returns Dipoles to random Positions.
(Random Domains actually)
Posted is a diagram explaining the concept of Magnetic Permeability.
The Observer
Quote from: guruji on May 13, 2010, 11:06:37 AM
Hi Groundloop and Gyulasun thanks for help. Groundloop that circuit worked fine thanks. How can I hook multicoil with it?;the same as bedini coils in his circuit?.
Thanks again.
@guruji
I noticed that Groundloop's is using bifilar wound coil, but with the same
gauge wire for both windings and the same number of turns. This is not
optimal for the Bedini while it is nearly optimal for the Inquoates stand
alone coil.
Why? Bedini is using an signal inverting transistor amplifier which uses
feedback from the drive winding to the sensor winding to *suppress*
self oscillation. So the sensor ends up "hearing" only the approaching
permanent magnet pole. The problem is in a bipolar transistor, the power
to the base is wasted in the inverting amplifier design. So they drive
the base "less hard" which means more resistance and/or less turns
in the sensor coil. Inquoates design on the other hand uses what is
called an emitter coupled non-inverting amplifier. Non-inverting amps
easily self oscillate. Guess what, the base current ends up flowing
through emitter along with the drive current so the base power is
not totally wasted in the emitter coupled design. Since it is not
wasted an equal gauge wire in the sense and drive windings make
sense.
So the difference in the one transistor inverting and non-inverting
amp ends up creating a difference in optimal winding the composite
coil.
:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on May 13, 2010, 12:16:34 PM
@guruji
I noticed that Groundloop's is using bifilar wound A, but with the same
gauge wire for both windings and the same number of turns. This is not
optimal for the Bedini while it is nearly optimal for the Inquoates stand
alone coil.
Why? Bedini is using an signal inverting A A which uses
feedback from the drive winding to the sensor winding to *suppress*
self oscillation. So the sensor ends up "hearing" only the approaching
permanent magnet pole. The problem is in a bipolar A, the power
to the base is wasted in the inverting amplifier design. So they drive
the base "less hard" which means more resistance and/or less turns
in the sensor coil. Inquoates design on the other hand uses what is
called an emitter coupled non-inverting amplifier. Non-inverting amps
easily self oscillate. Guess what, the base current ends up flowing
through emitter along with the drive current so the base power is
not totally wasted in the emitter coupled design. Since it is not
wasted an equal gauge wire in the sense and drive windings make
sense.
So the difference in the one transistor inverting and non-inverting
amp ends up creating a difference in optimal winding the composite
coil.
:MarkSCoffman
Hi Markscoffman I am using different gauge to my bifilar and oscillation worked.
Groundloop this multi coil is good? sorry for my rough sketch I don't have component software.
Thanks
@guruji,
I have never tried it but it should work.
The capacitor value may need to be larger because of the higher
base current pulse needed when using several transistors. How
many coils and transistors do you plan to use?
I suggest that you experiment with different capacitor values until you
are happy with the current going through the coils.
Groundloop.
Quote from: Groundloop link=topic=9157.msg241315#msg241315 A=1273777011
@guruji,
I have never tried it but it should work.
The capacitor value may need to be larger because of the A
base current pulse needed when using several transistors. How
many coils and transistors do you plan to use?
Groundloop.
Hi Groundloop for now I will be using another coil and transistor. So what capacitor you propose?
Thanks
Oh ok while posting the one before I did not see your diagram.
Ok thanks
@mscoffman '' Inquorates design on the
other hand uses what is
called an emitter coupled non-inverting
amplifier. ''
hehe, i had no idea, it just seemed more efficient ......
@groundloop - looking forward to seeing your self oscillating coil design, i will be building it when i can - which may be a while -
thankyou for sharing your efforts
@Inquorate,
Attached is my new emitter follower oscillator battery charger.
The circuit is approx. 82% efficient when powering a resitive
load of 22 Ohm.
Here is what I like about this circuit:
+You can disconnect the charge battery while the circuit is powered without any harm
to the circuit. The charge battery is in series with the power coil so the circuit just stops
when the battery is disconnected.
+The circuit is self adjusting when charging. When the battery is empty then the internal
resistance of the battery is high. The charge current will then be low. When the battery
starts to charge then the internal resistance of the battery drops and the charger increase
the charge current. This will shorten the time it takes to fully charge the battery.
+There is little waste of heat in the circuit. Since this is an emitter follower oscillator then
the base currents is not wasted but goes through the power coil.
+The polarity of the power input can be accidental switched without any harm to the circuit.
The diode at the minus terminal will block the positive wire. The oscillator will simply not
run with wrong electric polarity.
+The circuit works well over a great range of input voltages. The operator can adjust the
input voltage to get the correct charge power going to the battery. The frequency of
the oscillator also goes up at higher input voltages. This improve the efficiency even
more when charging several batteries connected in series. (Battery bank).
I can say for 100% sure that this CIRCUIT is not over unity. What I can't test is if
the process of pulse charging lead acid batteries is a over unity process. I have no time to
do a endless battery swapping so I leave it up to others to prove if a pulse charging
of batteries is a over unity process.
Groundloop.
Groundloop nice JT setup I will try this too. Are there cross reference components on this cause those components seem a bit scarce.
Ok thanks
@guruji,
It is not a Joule Thief circuit. :(
The circuit will probably work OK with other components also.
G.
Quote from: Groundloop on May 14, 2010, 09:53:52 AM
@Inquorate,
Attached is my new emitter follower oscillator battery charger.
The circuit is approx. 82% efficient when powering a resitive
load of 22 Ohm.
Here is what I like about this circuit:
+You can disconnect the charge battery while the circuit is powered without any harm
to the circuit. The charge battery is in series with the power coil so the circuit just stops
when the battery is disconnected.
+The circuit is self adjusting when charging. When the battery is empty then the internal
resistance of the battery is high. The charge current will then be low. When the battery
starts to charge then the internal resistance of the battery drops and the charger increase
the charge current. This will shorten the time it takes to fully charge the battery.
+There is little waste of heat in the circuit. Since this is an emitter follower oscillator then
the base currents is not wasted but goes through the power coil.
+The polarity of the power input can be accidental switched without any harm to the circuit.
The diode at the minus terminal will block the positive wire. The oscillator will simply not
run with wrong electric polarity.
+The circuit works well over a great range of input voltages. The operator can adjust the
input voltage to get the correct charge power going to the battery. The frequency of
the oscillator also goes up at higher input voltages. This improve the efficiency even
more when charging several batteries connected in series. (Battery bank).
I can say for 100% sure that this CIRCUIT is not over unity. What I can't test is if
the process of pulse charging lead acid batteries is a over unity process. I have no time to
do a endless battery swapping so I leave it up to others to prove if a pulse charging
of batteries is a over unity process.
Groundloop.
How can I delay the voltage spike from secondary of bifilar coil to increase charge time?
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6qxhCVST-M
Image
http://inquorate.vox.com/library/post/how-can-i-delay-the-voltage-spike-from-secondary-of-bifilar-coil-to-increase-charge-time.html
Any suggestions welcome :)
I know you are way smarter on this stuff than I am so I hesitate to even suggest this as I'm sure there is a reason you haven't considered it but just in case it might work: a cap and a spark gap?
Groundloop I've build that multicoil but it did not work :-\ .
I had to modify that instead of a 100k resistor I did a pot cause it's oscillating on about 2k or less I should find the exact resistance and do a solid one cause it's burning the pot every time.
About the multicoil I should see what is the problem maybe I'm using asmall cap 104 and should do it bigger as you told me. I have to experiment more.
Thanks
@guruji,
Try a larger ceramic capacitor.
If you use a small resistor value then use a 1 to 2 watt type.
Also try to swap the trigger coil. The oscillator will also run if the trigger coil is swapped wrong
and the bias to the transistors is set very high as you did. The resistor is just there to
give the transistor a LITTLE positive bias so that the oscillator will start to run. After that
the capacitor will AC couple the trigger coil to the emitter and keep the oscillator going.
Groundloop.
Quote from: e2matrix on May 15, 2010, 12:35:09 PM
I know you are way smarter on this stuff than I am so I hesitate to even suggest this as I'm sure there is a reason you haven't considered it but just in case it might work: a cap and a spark gap?
@ e2matrix, thankyou!
A spark gap would be too high voltage for the battery - i had considered an ignition coil - but it would solve the 'delay'requirement; simply by virtue of every spark gap being a high frequency lc tank..
So, a recovery diode off the secondary to a cap, thru a diode to another inductor - only allowed to resonate once and then the coil's magnetic field collapses, giving us anotther spike...
Or something like that, emulating what you suggested but at a lower voltage.
Thankyou again! I'll try it when i can.
Quote from: Groundloop on May 15, 2010, 02:55:50 PM
@guruji,
Try a larger ceramic A.
If you use a small resistor value then use a 1 to 2 watt type.
Also try to swap the trigger coil. The oscillator will also run if the trigger coil is swapped wrong
and the bias to the transistors is set very high as you did. The resistor is just there to
give the transistor a LITTLE positive bias so that the oscillator will start to run. After that
the capacitor will AC couple the trigger coil to the emitter and keep the oscillator going.
Groundloop.
Hi Groundloop only ceramic capacitors work for oscillation other types not good?
Thanks
@guruji,
No, you can use any capacitor, but check that the capacitor can take the
voltages you will have over the trigger coil. I usually use ceramic capacitors
rated for 100 Volt. Most 50 Volt ceramics will also do fine.
Groundloop.
Hi Groundloop that charger is amazing!!!!. It charges like hell. Ok it's comsuption is about 0.5amp but charges very fast. I've used a 1k 1/2watt resistor with a 220nf 63 mylar cap. The neon lights very bright when not charging and coil gets a bit hot but when charging everything gets normal.
I think I leave it on one coil cause it's charging more than the multicoil that I had.
Ok thanks.
@guruji,
Great that you made it work. :-)
Groundloop.
hi groundloop, hope you're still subscribed to this thread.. Thankyou for all the great work you've been doing at www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5699-c-o-p-1-a.html , continuing what you started doing here.
I heard about an altercation on energetic forum earth battery thread, due to which it's been mentioned on www.hereticalbuilders.com that you would be welcome there.
Thought i'd extend the welcome to you and also to any other active builders, heretics etc..
Here's how to join;
www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=109
@Inquorate,
Thank you for the invitation to the www.hereticalbuilders.com and thanks
for the nice circuit you invented. I'm currently testing the circuit as a regular
charger on my desulphated batteries. It works great. The circuit runs cold
even when charging with a lot of current. No need for big heat sinks anymore.
The circuit also "tracks" the battery very good and is self regulating the current
through the charge cycle. Very little energy is wasted as heat both in the circuit
and in the battery. So it is an extremely efficient charging method.
Thanks,
Groundloop.
Quote from: Groundloop on May 25, 2010, 07:20:05 PM
@Inquorate,
A the invitation to the www.hereticalbuilders.com and thanks
for the nice circuit you invented. I'm currently testing the circuit as a regular
charger on my desulphated batteries. It works great. The circuit runs cold
even when charging with a lot of current. No need for big heat sinks anymore.
The circuit also "tracks" the battery very good and is self regulating the current
through the charge cycle. Very little energy is wasted as heat both in the circuit
and in the battery. So it is an extremely efficient charging method.
Thanks,
Groundloop.
Hi Groundloop can you please post schematic?How did it finish about the mosfet circuit?
Thanks
@guruji,
Sure, here you go.
Use thickest possible enameled copper wire that will fit your Toroid core.
Use a small heat sink on the MOSFET transistor. Use a N-Type MOSFET
with high current capability. Any Ultra Fast diode will do instead of BYV29
as long as the diode can handle some few Ampere. Mine can take 8 Ampere.
Groundloop