Hi all,
I wana share after the most of the inital test's are done my experience with the group and the results from my reasarch.
MY Ag-cells have a totally different performance then any other battery and I even believe there is only magnesium cell's who shows similar performance with the negativ point that they get verry fast consumed.
Many test have shown and are independently testet that they increase the output voltage under load not just with a rest time like other cells ,what no other battery can.
In many real time comparisson tests ( again done from independent outside tester) using the same load on batteries and my AG-cells it is shown that my cells outlast any other battery up to 100 times.
during my intensive reasarch I was aible to develop a graphit polygel which increase the output current up to 10 times or higher depending on the used formula ( proofen also from stefan hartmann) only with this development it made it possible to use plate versions in the cells.
further did I develop a alloy which also helps increase the output up to 30% but more importand it extend's the lasting time up to three times in comparisson to regulaer zamak #2 ( modern form of chemalloy) ( also proofen from stefan hartmann)
with this achievement's I now can put this power in pretty much any size required for the application, without any liquid ( means no spill) and a rectangular form what is verry conviniend
I can backup my claims in full with scope read out and if somebody can help me out here because I am not such a computer expert the read out is recorded on my computer in . txt format but I dont know how I can make it visible as a graph what would be easier to view.
I just wana share this with the interested people of the group.
greetings
walt
Hello Walter,
You can just use MS Excel to make a graf of your test data. You have to take your txt data in the Excel sheet. Strait copy and paste depending on the txt format may do the job. Check Excel Help for how to make the graf - it is not difficult.
Cheers,
Chris
Hi All,
yes, the new cells from Walt are really good !
Walt only needs the money to build bigger alloy plates with a new oven
and then we can begin to build 12 Volts power batteries which will last
very long time.
It seems there is also some kind of double layer effect inside the cell at the
layer between the alloy-isolation-graphite surface.
It seems, when the cell dries, the layer is formed and then this layer generates the
energy.
These cells must not be wet to generate power.
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan,
Yes, it is a hybred super capacitor. I have been demonstrating the plate design since around 1997,
using Windex as my conductive medium. I have been calling them Capture Capacitors. There is also
something about them that you guys haven't figured out yet. I am holding off telling anyone until
I am comfortably selling them as products.
-Bruce P.
Hi all
one major difference is also that i am not using any other kind of chemicals as solarsalt and water. No windex or so ! the other major difference is that I am using graphite -poly gel powder mixture which has a surface area of greater then 1,400 Sqm/gram, the graphite plate what I am using are just used as transfer contact.
maybe something to my alloy which has in comparisson to regulaer zamak#2 ( chemalloy) which has a electrical conductivity of 15 and my alloy has a range of 28 to 30.
the theory as supercapacitor has a probleme , because there is no capacitor know or manufactured not even in labtest which generates electricity even under load, because like the name says a capacitor needs to becharged first, what is not the case with my AG-cells.
greetings
walt
Walt,
It is a super capacitor because a double layer is formed between the electrodes.
This is the definition of a super capacitor.
I was using Windex as my conductive vehicle for several years in my capture
capacitors. Just because a saline solution is now being used doesn't make
what you are doing a new discovery and I recent that you are now lifting
my work and calling them AG-Cells. You played a cool game in the beginning
by using graphite cylinders instead of plates and I was willing to give you
the benefit of the doubt that you might be onto some new improvement.
You had indicated that your graphite cylinder approach was more efficient
than my plate approach. I bought it hook-line and sinker. You then let the
line run slack for a while and laid low. Now you are pulling in your catch by
claiming that plates are more efficient. Anyone who has been following my
research for years knows better. I have left a paper trail for years if any of
the newbies want to check out my statements here. The only thing that
you have done is change the conductive vehicle from Windex to a saline
solution. In some aspects this might be better but in others it is not. I gave
you credit for your use of the saline because where credit is due it must be
given. Your claim that the use of plates is your newly improved design is wrong
and I am taking this moment here to speak up.
It is a super capacitor and a type of metal/oxygen hybrid because it generates
its own charge through a mechanism that I identified several years ago that I
have not yet discussed with anyone.
Sure, radioactive material can be used to boast the current but there is still
another factor to consider that I might talk about at a later time. Why do you
deny proven science?
-Bruce A. Perreault
Bruce,
maybe your explanation "supercapacitor" in this case is a bit misleading or better said: "unhappy",
cause we use these cells as a battery and not as a capacitor, although there is
this double layer effect in it...
Yes, I remember seeing your demo at the last inventors weekend where you used
the big plates together with windex and charged it up via a DC power supply
and then ran a DC motor from it for a while.
There you used it as a supercapacitor, but you also charged it up,
before you ran the motor with it.
In Walt?s case he is not charging the cells up and they generate their own
power from this special doublelayer effect.
So I think, it is better to call them not supercapacitors !
Let them better call saltwater batteries or AGC cells or whatever,
but not supercapacitors.
After all a capacitor must first be filled up, before you can discharge it.
P.S: Why don?t you begin to sell your supercaps at all ?
They seemed to be really good. If you roll them up, so they
would have a size like a coke can andwould have around 100 to 500 Farad
that would be great !
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan,
Yes, it is true that if we charge the plates we can get enough current to run larger loads.
This is because the plates are heated and the reactions are accelerated. Without the
charge two such cells that I demonstrated would be required to light just a small LED. I
did not show this because of the time constraints associated with a lecture.
How is what Walt is now doing any different than my CAPTURE CAPACITORS? I have
known about the phenomenon that Walt is now claiming to be his discoveries. This was
documented by me in 1997. In fact, one of my first of many releases is still on my server...
http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/manual300.pdf
I have also assembled semi-dry capture capacitors, this design appeared in a later
publication. They are correctly called capacitors because of the double layer that
exists between the plates. They are also metal/oxygen cells and they are also
rectifying diodes. They are three components rolled into one. More correctly,
they are modulated high surface, high capacitance diodes.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Bruce P.
Well Bruce,
I agree with you, that you have done this very early,
but why don?t you call them "batteries" ?
I think to call them "supercapacitor" is not good,
cause they can?t be used a supercapacitors, cause
then the battery effect is going worse, cause it changes the graphite
and Zamak structure !
So in our use as batteries one should also call them batteries
and not capacitors, as this gets misleading.
But I agree with you, that the working effect
is some kind of double layer diode that just might rectify the
cosmic radiation or something like this, cause the cells output power
also depends on the actual cosmic X-rays, which Walt found out.
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan,
Walt's association to x-rays is not his discovery or finding either. I suggested
the effect a long time ago. What he did was validate my finding through
documentation by observing the effect that I pointed him to. I have the
e-mails between us to prove what I am stating here is the truth.
Most correctly, as I have been stating, the cells are metal oxygen cells.
They can be enhanced by radiation or by r.f. fields. By the way, the x-ray
is a form of radiation. There is another factor that I will not talk about at
this point for financial reasons.
-Bruce P.
Okay Bruce,
well try to speed up your development and sell your new units.
What are you waiting for ?
Just sell, sell , sell, so we will be happy customers,
if the cells will have a good power output.
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan,
Yes, this is what I plan on doing. I have realized that people don't care about
powering a LED. What really is needed is something to get us off the electric
grid so that we can be free from the grips of the system.
I don't want to reveal too much before a fully developed product is ready.
What Walt has shown me is that saying too much before a product is
being sold is a detriment to my own survival. It is like a dish that goes cold
quickly.
I am going as fast as I can under the circumstances here in the USA.
-Bruce P.
Hi Bruce
here we start again, just to clear this up you attack me again!
I dont make any comparisson to your stuff right why you are doing it? You changed your mind? wasn it you who also sayd there is enough room for all?
OK Now to the facts, I repeat previously made statements You did not give me any information about what I am doing but I tolt you every result what I found out with my experiements during the time where we still was talking because I believed you where honestly and fair.
I never have claimed that I did invent the priciple because this was done long time ago before you, what I claime is that I did develope it to a practical and useable stage and this I did without anything of your info and this is a fact. If you claim I did use something from your ideas what about you because as far as I know from all your statements you did get most of your ideas from old patent and reasarch paper.
Here cames the point all what I have developed is based on my own reasarch and has nothing to do with your stuff except I say it again we use some of the same materials, because of the major differences that I did not see or have heart of any of your cells build with plates until I postet my results but I am using a totally different alloy ( my own development) I am using my own graphite polygel mixture (what you did not mentioning in any way before ) and last but not least in your own complaine what you posted stating quote "walt told me plates are not so powerfull and I believed him and did not go for it"end quote how come's ?
Stefan is right why you are not doing your thing and I do mine anyway, like you sayd there is room for all of the new energy developments.
greetings
walt
Hi again,
there was to many posts to reply at one's.
I dont deny what is proofen sience, what I stated is first of all not like you that all what I have found as my discovery, I just statet the fact that I did found this during my experiements and test.
Believe me I dont lift your work, because if yuo whould have the samething you whould like stefan sayd allready sell your unid , because all your comments are just excuses nothing else.
your demanstration at the inventors wekend did have major differences to my AG-cells you used windex, I dont, you used two plate's where one was aluminum, I dont, you did have to charge it , I dont, and you did mot use any graphite poly gel powder like me.
You see the big differences!!
the x-ray influence on the cells is a part what I just mentioned as I did see it on the measurement comparisson and I did not claim anythings for it. guy you should read it right.
your definition has a major flaw because if the cells has two or more layers does not mean it has to be a capacitor thats proofen science too.
what is allways the way how you react is that you say in your reply quote "thats something I am not talking about now to protect my self"end quote how could it be that I use some of your secret findings, if I did not find it on my own?
You see it allways comes back that you acuse me of something what I did not and could not do.
As a final remark I can say and this with proud that my AG-cells work and I did it on my own!!
greetings
walt
Hi Walt and Bruce, I agree,
there is enough room for both of you.
As Walt is already selling his AGC cells it is now time for Bruce
to also sell his new units and then the market will go for both of them.
Bruce, maybe it would be good if you consider selling your new units
as kits, this way you have less work to produce them and can get them
faster to market.
Good luck to you both selling your fine products.
Regards, Stefan.
Walt,
Like I've said... using saline solution instead of Windex as a conductive vehicle does not make what you are doing different. Again, I stress that I have been using plates from the start. This has been demonstrated at conferences since around 1997. Aluminum was used for demonstrations to show that anyone can duplicate the effect from a common store bought item. Windex is also more convenient because it is already made. Putting the charge on the plates shows that more power can be obtained but this does not mean that they are not generating energy without the charge. Take an aluminum plate, carbon fiber cathode, and Windex, like in my demonstration and measure the voltage for yourself. You will realize that I have been developing the capture capacitor effect for several years now. I have used all kinds of anodes. I sent you a receipt to you proving to you that I was using a type of chemalloy several years ago. I sent the receipt to you to show that I was not lifting your ideas. I have no problem sharing the research with you but what I have a problem with is the perception that what I have already done is something that you have recently discovered. I have no problem with giving you credit where it is due. You did tell me that you were getting better results with graphite cylinders and that the plates did not generate as much power. I took your word for it and even bought a lathe to duplicate your claim. Now, you are going with my original design. What's up with this?
I have never stated that all of my research is based on my original discoveries. In fact, at all of my lectures I do give credit to Le Bon and T. H. Moray. I have always said that I am reviving a lost science. I have made a few original discoveries along the way, for today anyway. I say this because quite often I end up finding that something has been done in the past. This is exactly why I think that there is a real conspiracy. There is not an energy shortage. This is a lie from what I have learned reading old patents and magazine articles.
I don't believe at this point that where you are now with your research was not influenced by what I have been doing. I have shared with you tidbits here and there... like the x-ray connection... you have forgotten where your directions came from and this is what gets to me.
I have used polymer gel myself. Calvin Bahlmann introduced the stuff to me back in 1997. I still have the conference video of the demonstration that he made with his "water cells" that used aluminum, copper and the polymer gel. You were aware of this because I pointed it out to you early on in one of our phone conversations. So, your use of a polymer gel is nothing new either.
Yes, there is room for the two of us and a few more people to boot. I think it is great that someone is finally duplicating what I have done because this gives validation to the concepts. However, I also think that you should also give credit to my research that came before you.
With all of the above said I hope that the air is now clearer. I do not desire to prove my side any further. It is your decision at this point if we are going to have a friendly co-existence or not.
Sincerely, Bruce A. Perreault
and so ego, once more, hinders cooperation
Kysmett,
Who's ego? Mine, Walt's, or both? I am more than willing to co-exist with Walt.
All I am asking here is for integrity if this is the correct word that I am looking
for. ;)
-Bruce P.
both, really,
Does it really matter who did what first? What information or influence was gleaned from whom?
If it does, then are we really in this to make it happen or to have people know our names?
Thats pretty much what I meant. I have two children about the same age. If I catch them bickering, I get the he started it, no she did...., no thats becaus he did....[at this point they are both in it deep] I don't care who started it, (I just don't think its worth anybody's time dealing with it). I tell them that they are family...on the same team, and if they are fighting instead of helping, then they are keeping each other from doing something more productive.
I mean no disrespect. In fact I completely understand. I wish people knew my name, but, hey, thats not why I'm here.
Kysmett,
The response towards your children is a typical response that most parents give. This response has always disturbed me. It is a socialistic reaction, no disrespect intended towards you. This attitude has been engrained in most from generation to generation. This is a hive mentality that suppresses individuality.?
I believe that the individual should be recognized for his/her accomplishments. This gives the individual motivation to reach their full human potential. The opposite holds true in a socialistic or communist society where the collective outweighs the importance of the one. There needs to be a balance for a society to be healthy and so far as I know the human species has never reached this stage of evolution.
To answer your question if it really matters who did what first... my answer is an affirmative. What use is something if our motive is just to make it happen? It is not just about a name either. It is about self value and a sense of self worth that gives us a spiritual fullness to continue to contribute to the rest of the body (human society). All of the individuals of a body must be healthy for the greater good.
To dampen my individual accomplishments reduces my self worth and gives me no motivation to make further contributions to the collective. What good is a "team" if it's individual links are not made strong? Isn't a chain as strong as it's weakest link?
I am here to make the collective chain stronger but if my individuality is of no importance then I need to find a chain that recognizes it's individual links. Do you understand where I am coming from?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-Bruce P.
Hi
this has nothing to do with this theme and should not be put here, I am tired to here all the same complaines over and over again.
greetings
walt
Walt,
My response has everything to do with my situation with you.
I have been nice to you considering your attitude. Now, you
are wearing my patience down.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-BAP!
Please no flamewars.
Just you both please build your cells and sell them.
And everybody will be happy.
Thanks.
Stefan.
hi all,
I get the feeling that I should just stop posting any off my results in the future to avoid more of this unconstructive disscussion.
I am not intending to offer my AG-cells here public. If somebody has questions please send me a private e-mail to a542002@hotmail.com
greetings
walt
Please Walt continue to post your results over here please.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: Walter Hofmann on April 09, 2005, 05:15:12 PM
hi all,
I get the feeling that I should just stop posting any off my results in the future to avoid more of this unconstructive disscussion.
I am not intending to offer my AG-cells here public. If somebody has questions please send me a private e-mail to a542002@hotmail.com
greetings
walt
Awsome cells YOU Discovered . Hey its just liek i said . If you use a different method for somthing simular then it is your discovery and you can patent it . Also anyone at ant time can take anybody's idea and patent the Idea ,product, or whatever even thought someone may have a posted "record" of your findings it don't hold water in the patent process not any court system . If you sent the plans to your self 15 years ago in a sealed envelope address to yourself(poor mans patent ) The lawyer will just laugh at you . TOTALLY USELESS ! And so is posting information and claiming one designed over another . Its who ever sells it first and who jumps on the patent (150.00us provisional patent) wins. Good job Walt . I would love to get some of your cells . Also Arranging another persons idea like using salt instead of Windex is a total different invention and you can say without a doubt that it is yours . Mark train wrote books . made money but he did not creat the words he just rearranged them same with john bedini , he didn't invent wire ,coils or transistors yet be patented his rearrangement of already available parts .
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