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Title: let electricity generate itself
Post by: one_christian_warrior on July 29, 2010, 02:28:03 AM
GEM =
General Energy Multiplier
Generating Electricity Machine
God’s Electricity Maker

Hello,
I feel excited, and extremely blessed, to be the first one to write of, and tell the world this amazing, world changing discovery. This miracle is a way of letting electricity generate itself, with no fuel being needed, and this means that no pollution is created by the process. That’s right, I will tell you how anyone can get electricity to generate itself, without having to have, nor having to be in an electric wheelchair,,, lol. We could all have our own stand alone self powering electric generators, which could be producing a seemingly endless supply of electricity, free of cost or pollution. It is easy enough to build, as all that you need is a twelve volt battery, two 12 Volt DC motors, (and possibly two bridge rectifiers - one for each motor) a large pulley, a small pulley, a belt that fits the pulleys, and the hardware =(screws, nuts, bolts, braces, spanners, pulleys, + a belt), in order to put these parts together.

(or it could use any voltage motors - even 120 Volt)

It is a very simple mechanism in its workings, as you simply put power into the motor with the big pulley attached, and you take power out from the motor-(generator) with the small pulley attached. The output motor, or several motors even, the one(s) with the small pulley attached, rotates a lot faster,(more rotations per second) than your input motor. The belt connecting the two,(or more) motors together can be as small as you want, depending on if you required size constraints, or as large as you want, to accommodate multiple output generators,,, like in our petrol fuelled power stations. I cannot be sure, without having results from tests, but I think that we can gain more power, with every generator you add with a small pulley, (maybe a multiple of). But there is a warning that I have to give you, of a possible hazardous flaw in this free electricity generating system.

CAUTON,,,,,,,,,, If this system is allowed to run freely, without having any outside drain of power, this system will overcharge itself, and may even explode. So, please be careful when experimenting with this mechanism. Maybe it should be called an Energy multiplier, as you always need at least a little power, to generate the greater amount of power.

            I have been given a great gift, one that can help the whole world. The thing is,,, that I do not have sufficient funds to get the patent for this invention myself. This is where your cooperation is needed, or should I say, the cooperation of our Canadian government. I would like for our government to patent this idea, so that our citizens do not have to pay taxes any more,,, lol. I imagine that the royalties from this could not only replace our taxes, but would soon repay our national dept. Especially since, I can see all nations soon making laws regarding the need to convert to this non polluting form of producing electrical energy. I sent it to all of the MPs and ask for them to patent it, but I did not get any replies. My second choice is to put it on the web, and I have heard that if I refuse to patent it, it would be open for all to use, without having to pay any royalties.

I just figured,,,
if we can do it,,,
Why not let electricity make itself,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
PLEASE,,,
- take this serious, it does work,
- take a close look at this,,,
- everyone can build their own proto-types,
- I will plead with you,
- try and prove that this machine does not work,
- and see if it does not work for yourself.

This is a free source of energy for earth.
I will demonstrate my gain of power to anyone,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, at any time,,,,,,,,,,,

I wanted to go to the paper with this,,,
but then I thought that the first person that writes about how this works,
and files the patent claim,
will get all the income from this world changing invention.
                       (((I already went to the local paper, they did not print this writing))) 

This discovery (a self generating electricity multiplier)

Sorry, but I did not have the money to buy, nor do I know of anybody that I can ask to loan me, any kind of Mechano set. What I needed was a toy that is for building things, (like Lego) that has motors and pulleys, so that I could build a prototype of this mechanism. I guess that is one of the reasons that I have decided to send this to the Canadian government, to see if they will patent it. But I most want to see if we Canadian’s can put this out on the web, so that all people can have their own free electricity generators. Even though I truly hope that our Canadian government does take this serious enough, to take a patent out on, so that we do not have to pay taxes anymore,,, lol. I believe in, and try to live by the Bible,,,
I speak of  (Mat 10:8) = “freely ye have received, freely give.”
                   (((I already sent the Canadian government this, with no reaction.)))

            I have been given a great gift, one that can help the whole world. The thing is,,, that I do not have sufficient funds to get the patent for this invention myself. This is where your cooperation is needed, or should I say, the cooperation of our Canadian government. I would like for our government to patent this idea, so that our citizens do not have to pay taxes any more,,, lol. I imagine that the royalties from this could not only replace our taxes, but would soon repay our national dept. Especially since, I can see all nations soon making laws regarding the need to convert to this non polluting form of producing electrical energy.
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Why not let electricity make itself,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

PLEASE,,,
take this serious, it does work, take a close look at this,,,

it is a free source of energy.
I will demonstrate my gain of power to anyone at any time,,,,,,,,,,,
I want to go to the paper with this,,,
but then, the first person that writes about how this works, and files a patent claim,
will get all the income from this world changing invention.

(I would like to hear from someone about this soon, although I want Canada to be given the proceeds of the patent for this mechanism, I feel a greater need to get this info out to the world, for everyone to use,,, What I guess that I’s saying is, I feel that I need to go to the paper soon,,, and get this great news out to the world)
 
This discovery (a self generating electricity multiplier)
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Guess what,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I think that I have discovered something awesome,
Something miraculous,
He has shown me how to get electricity to generate itself.

I have stumbled upon the
ELECTRICITY MULTIPLIER machine

Yes,,,,, and even better than perpetual,,,,
,,, this machine actually makes its own power,
as in â€" this system gains electrical energy,
yessss,,, we can let electricity generate itself,,,,,,,,,,,,,

No more dependency on OIL, and the middle east oil supplies,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  = and the world says,
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Now hold on just a moment,,,
I know that this is not a true example of perpetual motion,,,
Because of bearings alone,
or should I say, they will wear out eventually,
That is why I added the word “machine” afterwards,

This is a man made machine,
Which only mimics perpetual motion,
As it continues to run, seemingly forever,
Producing electricity as a bonus,

This great invention,,,
is my electric wheelchair,,,,,,,
When I go up + down hills,
I gain more power than I use,,,
As in, a net gain of energy,
After going up and down a steep hill,
           
I do not know why or how I came up with this,
a way of gaining free energy,
seemingly from nothing,

This came to me when I was over visiting at the park,
       I was thinking about how electricity worked,
and how my electric chair had the ability to charge itself,
      on most any type of downhill run,
      (as it uses an electrical breaking system)

I don’t know if you know me or not,
      but learning new things is one of my greatest pleasures
                        and,,,,
When investigating how things work,,,
I always have to push the limits,,, lol
                        not only learning how things works,
                                but then tinker with trying to improve them,,,,,

I went with the idea of a ten speed bicycle, (something that I knew about)
       Where I wanted to go uphill in tenth gear, (least rotations of the pedals)=motor
            and then downhill in first gear, (most rotations of pedals)=motor
                   so, I would go uphill at full speed,
                        and then downhill at slow speed
                               So,,, now I had something to experiment with,
        now I had measurable tests to do,

I started off with a low battery, (so that I did not have the power to drive all the way up)
       driving up a steep hill at the park in the full speed position, (tenth gear)
             (until my chair would not go any further, as my battery was dead)

                   and then going back down the hill in slow speed, (first gear)
                 Then I immediately turned around, and went back up at full speed,
                               And guess what happened,,,,
    I could travel twenty feet higher up the hill,
                                           so, I had a net gain of electricity,,,,,,,,,

Logic and common sense says,
     that you will have energy losses,
do to heat from friction if nothing else,
         causing you to not be able to make it as far up the hill,
the second time you drive up it,

Well, I first thought that this might just be a strange happening,
       so I did it again and again, doing it three times,
            each time gaining twenty more feet, up a steep hill,
                  Not only did I do it three times that day,
                        but I later thought that this went against logic, (I must have dreamed it)
                               and I did the whole experiment over,
                                    with the same electricity gaining results

I know that there are inner workings of the motor + drive system,
       that I have not even roughly looked into,
            to find out why + how it works like a 10 speed,
                   Sorry, but I have no time to color + shade in this drawing,
                        I could only give you this rough sketch,
                               and let others get the enjoyment of filling in the details,
                                    I only hope that God will let you enjoy,
                                          at least some of the thrills that I have experienced,
when He showed the amazing reasoning to me,

I don’t know if this is something patentable or not,
      as it uses things that are already in existence, 2 motors, 2 pulleys and a battery
            but if it is patentable,,,
                   Could I ask you to donate some of the profits to me,,, lol

Someone could easily build a self supplying energy producing power supply,
     With a 12v battery, two motors, a small and large pulley, and a belt,
            You connect the motor with the big pulley up as a power in, driver motor,
                   And then connect the motor with the small pulley to be used as an output
                        When you put power into the drive motor,
                              You get out a multiple of this power,
                                    Compared to the size difference of the drive motor, (large pulley)
                                          And your output or generator motor. (small pulley)
 
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XXXXXXXXXXXXXX (after thought) XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
I feel bad,,, about being so sluggish,
       Wishing that I could have spoken of these things earlier,
            as in, as soon as it came to me, a few years ago,


NOW
Please,,, send this to everybody you know,,, so that we can have more people working on ways to utilize this new use for old technology,,,, after all, more is usually better,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, lol

Benefits to humanity:
- To be an effective way to decrease our negative environmental effects on our earth,
- To be able to give free electrical power to all people,
- To greatly reduce our oil dependency,
- To give the Middle East less power,
- To lessen the chance of our need for oil getting us into another war,
- To put a needed boast to our economy,
--- by creating many new items to manufacture and sell
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: ResinRat2 on July 29, 2010, 05:13:11 AM
LOL!!!!!!  --  I think you've got it covered pretty well  :D  :D  :D

The only thing I didn't see was that you won an award from PSE (People to Save the Environment) for your innovative idea of the DECADE..

Nice joke OCW, Yeah -- thanks for making me smile this morning. : ;D
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: nievesoliveras on July 29, 2010, 09:36:41 AM
Is it this what you mean?

Jesus
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: FatBird on July 29, 2010, 09:57:34 AM
NICE DRAWING nievesoliveras.

What is the name of your software drawing package?

Thank you.

.
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: nievesoliveras on July 29, 2010, 10:01:34 AM
Quote from: FatBird on July 29, 2010, 09:57:34 AM
NICE DRAWING nievesoliveras.

What is the name of your software drawing package?

Thank you.

.

It is just windows paint.
On this one I used just squares and lines tools.

Jesus
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: one_christian_warrior on July 29, 2010, 11:48:48 AM
Yes nievesoliveras,
   That is exactly what I mean,,, if these are DC motors.
Otherwise you might need a couple of bridge rectifiers,
and maybe it would be wise to use a couple of voltage regulators
nice drawing,
thanks for the input,
do I have your permission to cut + paste it on the forums, and in email ?

thanks,
.    .    joe
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: powercat on July 29, 2010, 01:12:04 PM
Sorry
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: e2matrix on July 29, 2010, 01:22:00 PM
In case OCW is serious someone please explain to him why this will not work.  You may have had a small gain after coming down a hill but you borrowed the energy gained from gravity.  If you are to get to the same starting point at the top of the hill you will have less energy than when  you started.  While there is one fellow who has done something similar and claims excess energy it is a lot more complex involving several large flywheels and a certain 'jerkiness' in the system from loose belts that apparently causes some gain.   
    Your motor with the smaller pulley will have a lot more resistance if it is loaded (drawing power from it) and that will put a huge load on the driving motor since it is geared to turn many revolutions of the small pulley for each turn of the large pulley motor.  I only wish it was this simple.  But if it was I can assure you people here would have discovered this long ago.  There are many people working with motors on this forum and elsewhere.  Sorry to be the naysayer but this can't work.  Where do you think the excess energy would come from?  I believe you are making a mistake in assuming the large pulley motor would not have great resistance when spinning the small pulley motor under a load.  It would take a lot of power input to the motor.  More power than you would gain by the output of the small faster spinning motor.  The closest thing to what you are thinking is this:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Chas_Campbell_Generator

Unfortunately even though this has been built and demonstrated no one seems interested in making it.
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: nievesoliveras on July 29, 2010, 01:28:07 PM
Yes it is this one:

Jesus
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: mscoffman on July 29, 2010, 01:43:57 PM
That's what happens when you let those pulleys and belts accumulate
static electricity...OU. ;D

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: Xaverius on July 30, 2010, 01:39:36 AM
Quote from: nievesoliveras on July 29, 2010, 01:28:07 PM
Yes it is this one:

Jesus
Chas Campbell device has been debunked............
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on July 30, 2010, 04:24:36 AM
hi everyone

always remember it is only the human mind that make it impossible, everything is possible ok.

it can be transformed into OU! it depends on how you make your coils, and lubrication plays a major role in this kind of design, the faster, quiet, you can make rotation the better, less wear, high energy gain. in that sense means everything contributes to make a perfect one ok.
;D

Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: chessnyt on July 30, 2010, 05:54:20 AM
It CAN NOT EVER work because the horsepower required to turn all the pulleys (which is nothing more than a messy transmission) will be less than the horsepower of the motor (or connected output load) the alternator (a/c generator) will be able power.
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: ResinRat2 on August 21, 2010, 09:13:29 AM
HEY OCW,

I cannot believe you posted this same idea in five different places. Once wasn't enough? Can you imagine if everyone else started multiple posting every idea?

Please Stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All you are suggesting is changing gear ratios. This will NOT give you overunity. Please stop this nonsense.
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: JasonD on August 27, 2010, 10:49:08 PM
Who has to replace the battery in two years when it dies?

Who had to create the battery?

How is the energy lost from friction and from generation regained?

100w consumed by drive motor = 1000 RPM @ 200 lbs of physical force out...
1000 RPM geared up to 2000 RPM on the generator yields only 100 lbs of force on the generator...
At 2000 RPM and only 100 lbs of force, the most you will generate is 80w...

Having more dead-weight and lost power from additional generators will further reduce that 80w to zero, when the battery runs-out. You will have drained 100KW and generated 80KW, but charging is barely 80% efficient, so you would only be able to store 60KW back into the battery.

The more the engine heats, and the more you drain the power, the more you loose. If you drained it down to 12v in 20 hours, it would yield the AH rating, at room temperature. That requires cooling, which further requires more power consumed, which results in more heat created and less output from the AH rating of the battery.

Until someone conquers "Perpetual Motion" or "Unity", there will be no conquering of "Over-unity". That is like expecting a caveman to invent the lighter, before fire was invented. Like landing on mars, before having sent anyone into space, or before having invented a space-ship.

Roll a motor down a long hill, slowly... that is free energy, if you don't count the energy required to lift it up the hill. That is what you are doing when you require a battery. Someone already expelled tons of energy making that device and nature is producing the work in a short-lived chemical cycle.

If there is ever true unity, the power-source would be able to be removed from the load. Can you take the battery out of the equation, and still get the same yield?

If that is what you call over-unity, then I win... I submit a 1000AH car battery... It consumes less than it supplies, and has no moving parts, unless you count the water as being mobile. That will yield 12v@0.084A=>1Wh, for 365 days, for 24 hours a day.
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: nievesoliveras on August 28, 2010, 12:28:19 AM
This guy was relying on the flywheel to maintain a certain speed so he could take the battery out and the system run itself.

The car does exactly that except that the car uses a gazoline motor to keep the flywheel effect instead of a real flywheel like this guy did.

The thing is that if you can achieve the speed needed for the alternator to self sustain and get the energy from batteries filled by it using an inverter you could have electricity for months if not years before you need to change batteries or other parts from the system.

Again, just a means to get the flywheel speed effect is what is needed as the main element.

Jesus
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 28, 2010, 07:56:17 AM
Jesus:

Is this not the age old idea of hooking a generator to a motor and letting it power itself?  If I read this correctly, if this is the case, what about Lentz's law?  As the generator places a load on the motor, it will require more power, etc.

I am 100% for creative thinking, most folks here know that about me.  But, if I am correct in what is being proposed here, I believe it has been tried before many, many times. (and nothing has worked)

If not, please correct me and maybe I too will learn something.

Bill
Title: Re: let electricity generate itself
Post by: nievesoliveras on August 28, 2010, 01:11:19 PM
@pirate

Do you remember the @electricme idea of using 3 batteries and charging them in series while using the center one to move the charger device?

You can use an inverter on another single battery from this group and get energy for appliances not exceding the capacity in amperes of the charging device.

For example an alternator has 63 amps usually. You can use safely 50 amps on appliances...

Remember I could be completely wrong.

Jesus

Update

In this case the running battery is not used because of the speed maintained by the flywheel effect.
Visualize the group of batteries receiving 36v in series and just using 12v from one to run your inverter...