Hello everyone. I am new here an new to the HHO idea. I have seen many HHO generators made with stainless steel and have built a small working unit.
Could some one please advise me as to why galvanized tubing or pipe is not used for this purpose. Many thank for any advice offered.
Perhaps your familier with the electroplating process,
the process of plating something with another metal.
Like gold or silver as example.
This is achieved (Over simplified) by placing the item,
and the metal you want plated to that item in a liquid bath.
Skipping over the contents of the bath too,
apply a plus charge to one item,
and a minus charge to the other.
Simple so far.
Here is where you need to get the point.
The doner metal (Gold, Silver, Etc.) also
gases off in reaction to the chemicals in the bath.
Even if that bath is only plain water for HHO,
there is plenty in standard tap water to do harm.
Now, think really low grade crappy metal,
then add "Lead" to the crappy metal.
At this point it should be obvious why
you should never ever use low grade mixed metal,
much less LEAD to anything to do with gas generation !
It's your first post, so I'm being real nice here...,
but please read more on this before posting please.
Stainless Steel in the alloy range of
316L is a fair comprimise for use,
the compromise being the release of some
hexavalent chromium gas and so forth.
Happy reading dude, welcome to the forum. :)
Thank you for you eloquent response to my question. On the subject of reading more on this before I post: Why do you think I came to a forum specific to the subject?
Having used the search engine and the yeild being less than satisfactory I was hoping some one was able to point me in the proper direction or provide a reference.
Thank you for providing the limited information you could accompanied by an unnecessarily verbose response which was inversely proportional to its informative value.
Being a chemist, I am aware of lead in metal alloys. I am also aware of hex chrome. How is handling one toxic by product any different from handling any other toxin? It is not a compromise at all unless in some way the galvanized product does not perform as well.
Perhaps a more informative response would have been: The electrolytic process used to galvanize the metal is reversed during the generation of HHO gas thereby exposing the ferric substrate which allows rapid oxidation at the cathode and anode.
But I understand that arrogance is far simpler than education.
Welcome to OU ) I think the best solution to date is Ti plates, but burning in a plasma burst seems to clear the air nicely. Grumpy just needs coffee still! Have fun reading the long list of posts on this subject, you may form new ideas not found in books still. Beware of discouragement and those dealing it, some are well intentioned and a few are intentional. Did you all see John Hutchinson's joined the group? (hope it is him)
Quote from: Rictoven2 on August 07, 2010, 11:18:55 PM
Hello everyone. I am new here an new to the HHO idea. I have seen many HHO generators made with stainless steel and have built a small working unit.
Could some one please advise me as to why galvanized tubing or pipe is not used for this purpose. Many thank for any advice offered.
If what I suspect is the origin of the extra energy for OU HHO production
is correct, then the surface of electrodes may be compromised at a
depth that exceeds the thickness of standard galvanized plating/coating.
Is something to consider.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Thank you all for the advice. As I understand there is a growing community working on the efficient production of HHO fuel gas. Is there a thread dedicated to the topic of HHO here in the forum?
Quote from: Rictoven2 on August 08, 2010, 08:20:47 AM
Thank you for you eloquent response to my question.
on the subject of reading more on this before I post:
Why do you think I came to a forum specific to the subject?
Having used the search engine and the yeild being less than satisfactory
I was hoping some one was able to point me in the proper direction
or provide a reference.
Well, to quote you directly:
Quote from: Rictoven2 on August 07, 2010, 11:18:55 PM
Hello everyone.
I am new here an new to the HHO idea.
I have seen many HHO generators made with stainless steel
and have built a small working unit.
Could some one please advise me as to why
galvanized tubing or pipe is not used for this purpose.
So I did answer why, and in a polite and simplified matter
with over simplified examples worded carefully to convey a point
that seemed appropriate for the skill level revealed
in a person's first post to this forum...
Don't you think all those people using SS know why,
or do you think you know better than all of them ?
Quote from: Rictoven2 on August 08, 2010, 08:20:47 AM
Thank you for providing the limited information you could accompanied
by an unnecessarily verbose response which was inversely proportional
to its informative value.
So I explained things slowly and simply
to a person who's first post clearly stated:
"I am new here an new to the HHO idea."
Should I have cited top shelf physics or chemistry
to a person that says they are new to this sir ?
I was being appropriate.
Quote from: Rictoven2 on August 08, 2010, 08:20:47 AM
Being a chemist, I am aware of lead in metal alloys.
I am also aware of hex chrome.
How is handling one toxic by product
any different from handling any other toxin?
It is not a compromise at all unless in some way
the galvanized product does not perform as well.
Let me see if I understand your statement clearly.
So instead of using a known proven safe alloy range
of widely/inexpensively available stainless steel material
that has minimal poisonous by products and degradation,
your electing to use one of the lowest grades of metals
that will deteriorate rapidly during normal daily use
and on also completely plated with poisonous lead ?
Really ?
Quote from: Rictoven2 on August 08, 2010, 08:20:47 AM
Perhaps a more informative response would have been:
The electrolytic process used to galvanize the metal
is reversed during the generation of HHO gas
thereby exposing the ferric substrate which allows
rapid oxidation at the cathode and anode.
Yes, perhaps.
But to someone that is self admittedly
"New to the HHO idea",
that would mean little.
Besides, it is only one conductor, not both.
Quote from: Rictoven2 on August 08, 2010, 08:20:47 AM
But I understand that arrogance is far simpler than education.
Wow, that was uncalled for.
I may be less polite in this post after that,
but I meant no insult in the first reply sir.
I'm sorry you took it that way,
I appologize for that misunderstanding.
Quote from: Rictoven2 on August 07, 2010, 11:18:55 PM
Many thank for any advice offered.
Sure seems otherwise...
You could have at least stated you weren't
so new to chemical processes after all.
That your a chemist broaching a new area.
You wouldn't have gotten such a
verbose beginners answer like that.
Perhaps you could share with us
why you want to use lead as the
doner metal in your concept please ?
You certainly seem hell bent on saying much and yielding little constructive info. I said I was new to HHO.Not new to science. I study Bose Einstein Condensates. (BEC) Very little connection with HHO. You can type over a hundred words wherein only one sentence is informative. Like your last post, defending your arrogance.
Suggesting that I haven't read anything on the subject (as compared to whom, you?) or that you feel compelled to be "very nice considering it was my first post " is ludicrous. Once again you exhibit your inadequacies in spending every ones time covering up your own intent. You can have the last word here if it makes you feel better. I am done spending my (valuable) time with a 12 year old.
Quote from: Rictoven2 on August 09, 2010, 02:31:54 PM
...
I study Bose Einstein Condensates. (BEC) Very little connection with HHO.
...
Don't be so sure Rictoven. ;)
:S:MarkSCoffman
Quote from: mscoffman on August 09, 2010, 07:06:05 PM
Don't be so sure Rictoven. ;)
:S:MarkSCoffman
Actually mscoffman. I am not certain of that but until I acquire more useful info about HHO efforts (what is known to work and what is not and why) then I am left without a correlation. I am trying though.
add carbon rod see if the hydrogen doubles it should only be able to seperate the amount of hydrogen it can bond oxygen with that should eliminate the errosion watch dr stifflers but I still say vaporise the water then charge with frequency Have yet to see anyone do this.
Quote from: cletushowell on August 10, 2010, 05:15:59 PM
add carbon rod see if the hydrogen doubles it should only be able to seperate the amount of hydrogen it can bond oxygen with that should eliminate the errosion watch dr stifflers but I still say vaporise the water then charge with frequency Have yet to see anyone do this.
I have tried carbon fiber as cathode and anode. After a few hours, one of them just disintegrated.... The other one are still going strong...
Vidar
So it worked where did the carbon go did
it go to light so you kept the oxgen bonded
to carbon so you reversed the oil
so when the contained carbon dioxide
and hydrogen explode you end up with h20
with carbon to go again Oh I hope you understand
you made all three. That will cycle forever
with just frequency wich can get from a crystal
and antenna or just a tesla coil at exact wind
so your holding the oxygen so it cant rust
the engine its already bound to carbon
till it turns back to water see there a automotive trick
put water in a hot head it bonds the carbon
and cleans the motor so the oxygen is bonding to the carbon
and turning the steam to hydrogen it has to be
To be honest, I did not understand 1mm of your text. Try '.' , ',' , '?' and some grammar. Sorry, no offence, but it is hard to understand what you wrote.... If I was an English man or from the US, I would probably understood the whole point.
Try google translate:)
Has anyone tried regular sieves and stacked them? Sieves for food use should be made of stainless steel, have a great surface area and does not prevent the HHO gasses to go through them. I bet there is many kitchen tools that is made of stainless steel, and they are often not very expensive.
Vidar
This is important please try to understand.
1. No fuel burns without vaporising it
2 turning water to hydrogen from liquid with power
Is vaporising it very inefecient.
3 the dr stiffler makes the hydrogen like I said
With frequency but the oxgen is not found.
4 where is the oxygen well it has to be bonding with
Something I beleive its seperating into single
Oxygen particles and going through the Glass tube
5 so Im saying bond the oxygen to carbon
By placing carbon in the water the first time
Once its broke down you end up like this
6. H / carbon dioxide vapor
7. Then you can combust those
8 the result is is then h2o and carbon again
9 then using the exaust stroke of the engine
Force the liquid back to vapor
10 then charge the vapor with dr stifflers
Frequency
11 if some one is able to get the frequency
I beleive it can be magnified through the radio
Speaker wires so thats your magnetic
Amplifyer your taking the frequency and
Mutipling the power but not to a speaker
But back to a antenna or the coil around dr stifflers tube
Is the speaker coil.
12 now can the frequency be burned to a cd
Or do we need to find it on the
Am dial im not shure but I know the salt
Combustion candle tube he recorded the frequency
Of a incidental event on a casset then
broke it down this should proble be done
on any ac motor to give us the frequency
they operate so we dont need to build frequency
bendini motors but match the frequency
of the current motors I have the math
its 54,000/9/6/3 1234567910
144,000/9/6/3=888888 this number
is missing from the first but
8888888 is all numbers
88=16=7
888=24=6
8888=32=5
it continues so Im seperating polarity
to the side with no 8 and the side with
all numbers this is the 369 tesla
but he didnt finish it to 144,000
well good luck ch@helpuflip.com
Sorry its 56,000