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The Peace Maker

Maybe a possible free energy device I designed on paper.
(Maybe or maybe not, need your help to find out).

Because I have been too ill and too poor for a very very long time, I am sharing this with you to pass it to others you may know that may be interested in testing my device idea further to prove if it will work in the real world, per my calculations and simulation it appears it may work unless I missed something. I designed it many years ago hoping to save up money to pay for it to be made but that day never came, so I have made this public domain free for anyone, to make, sale, and or use in any fashion freely with no restrictions.

Like I said I am not sure if it will work in the real world, so I am putting it out there for another set of eyes out there, maybe they can do their own figuring to prove if it would work or not either through actually making it and or simulating it with some software.

Attached to this are 3 images that illustrates the main component design which I found to be the most optimum shape for this type of device. Their are some others out there that operate in a similar fashion but I calculated all such devices I came across and they did not work per my calculations and their claims appear to me to be too magical, yet mine did show it may work per my calculations and it is nothing magical or out of the realm of the current known science, which does make me think I could be wrong and missed something in my figures. I am not going to explain the figures in detail for that even if I did people would still deny it or if I made a mistake maybe others will not see it and do the same mistake, so it is best that many others out there with the ability on their own to figure the engineering behind it and see with their own eyes whether it would work or not and let us all know for sure. However I will explain the basics and show the diagram of the main component, which will be enough for the average electronic engineer to figure out the rest, and the rest are standard basic electric circuits.

I call the device the "Peace Maker" and looking at the design you will see why.

Here is a description of it and refer to the 3 drawings to correlate to it:

The device is a transformer with a magnet and coils in the shape of the popular peace symbol from the 60's, which I found has the best efficiency levels compared to other shapes. As in the drawing the upper middle center would be a magnet the rest would be a high permeability material over 400 for small units and 600 and higher for larger units. The lower middle center will be a coil of wire wrapped around the permeable material. The left and right lower curved area would be coils around the permeable material. The upper left and right parts of the inner Y area would be a coil around the permeable material. The top above the magnet area would not have any wire since the field does not charge there.

The center does not have to be that segmented shape as in the drawing, I did that so the magnetic calculator program would be easier to use for me, because I had a free version of the program it did not allow me to make special shapes in 1 piece and that center shape was easier to assembly in the free version of the software. But that area can be as we all know, as illustrated in the popular peace symbol.

The key to this device is that the permeability must be over 400, 600 or higher is even better and even more efficient.

The input coil is DC pulsed on 50% or less duty cycle.
The time the input coil is on you take the power out on coil 1 & 2.
(One could not use coil 1 & 2 and instead just take the power back out of the input coil during flyback, but I chose to use coil 1 & 2 for input isolation reasons and avoid ground loop issue).
Then when the input coil is off you take the power out on coil 3 & 4.
The input coil field strength will need to be 25% to 100% of the magnet strength, depending on the coil design, more then 100% coil field strength matching level to magnet strength would make device less efficient, therefore the efficiency is a like bell curve.
The # of coil turns will need to be related to the magnetic inductance equivalence (ie. the magnetic XL value related to the coil XL values to determine mutual inductance values and frequency and turn ratio).
Another aspect to this device is that the output power can never be more then the magnet strength so there is a limit to the output power, if put in too little input power it will be less efficient and if put too much input power it will be less efficient. And the input coil field strength value worst case will be 100% of the magnetic strength and at best case around 25% of the magnetic strength depending on frequency and other factors. however through some calculating it appears the coil input field strength average is around 50% of the magnetic strength, but further testing is needed to see if that is correct or not. Even when the input coil field strength is 100% (equal) the magnet field strength it appears that the total output energy is still near 200% of the input energy.

I hope I was able to explain it well enough to be generally understood.
Thanks for your time and I hope someone can do something with it.

Just maybe the answer was blowing in the wind all these decades...

Peace and Love to All

Check with this other 3 guys to see if they can help you.
They are dealing with magnets too.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9409.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9537.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9535.0

Jesus

The amount of over unity depends on many factors but worse case output calculated may be near 2 times the input and best case output may be around 4 times the input.

The worse case output 2 times higher then input: When input coil field strength is = to magnet field strength. When the input pulse is ON you get 1 magnetic field strength induction to tap for output on coil 1 and 2, that would be a 1 to 1 same IN same OUT or very close like 1 unit IN and .90 units OUT depending on the transformer efficiency. Then when the input coil is OFF this is where you get the extra power that is then you have 0 units IN and get 1 magnetic field strength unit induction to tap for output on coil 3 and 4, that would be around 1 or .90 units out depending on the transformer efficiency.
So ideally:
During ON cycle 1 energy unit IN and get 1 energy unit OUT from coil 1 and 2
During OFF cycle 0 energy unit IN and get 1 energy unit OUT from coil 3 and 4
So 1 energy unit IN and 2 energy units OUT.
However depending on the transformer efficiency their will be some loss.
Lets then take an typical transformer loss of 10%
So realistically:
During ON cycle 1 energy unit IN and get .9 energy unit OUT from coil 1 and 2
During OFF cycle 0 energy unit IN and get .9 energy unit OUT from coil 3 and 4
So 1 energy unit IN and 1.80 energy units OUT.
So still over unity.

A note: You want the pulse to resonant the transformer like a tank circuit so energy level time from coil 1 and 2 and energy level time from coil 3 and 4 to be the same time length.

It is a transformer with a magnet and the shape is the key.
It can be made to a large range of sizes. However it is limited to the strength of the magnet and permeability of the material, the permeability must be over 400 or will not work (the loss will be too much), and 600 or higher is much better with much less loss.
The wattage depends on the core and the coils and # of turns and the magnet field strength, just like with any transformer design requirements. (BTW: If you do not know how to design a transformer and a magnet motor then you may not understand how this works and so may not make it correctly, in such case please pass this info to those that do know how).
So if it was designed for 100 watts IN then would get 200 watts OUT ideally so 100 watts to use for free energy. And for realistic application with a loss of 10% if it was designed for 100 watts IN then would get 180 watts OUT so 80 watts to use for free energy.

For the best case output 4 times higher then input is a bit more complicated to explain and untested (so I may be wrong here in the case), but has to do with the relationship with the special shape it may only require an input coil field strength of 25%-50% of the magnet field strength do to the diverted magnet fields and do to the center will become a neutral point and therefore not require the input to have the same ON time and or the magnet will help itself by its field going in to the path of least resistance, sort of like when you have 2 magnet fields attract each other the magnet will want to snap to the other magnet when gets close enough to do so. Also this relates to the effect of strong magnet and weak magnet field interactions. This also relates to how at very high energy and very high velocity electric motors can go in to over unity mode and self run (run away effect) however the bearings wear out fast, but with this device there are no bearings and no mechanical motion and does not require high energy. Again I could be wrong here in this case but even if so the worse case situation still showed there may be over unity mathematically and again unless I am wrong there too.

However even if the over unity amount is small not like x10 x100 or x1000 that does not mean it is useless. even a x1.5 would be great and it can go in to desktop/laptop computers and cell phones and flat screen TVs and heart pacers and air conditioners to be more green/energy efficient or batteries never need recharging. And consider that it could help reduce power line/city transformer loses by generating a little extra energy to make up for losses do to distance and can have warehouses full of many in a daisy chain hook up and then power a building or block or city or state. And even help to power a house needs. And do to the device does not repel the field like some other similar devices so the magnet will last longer and not induce as much heat in to the magnet.

I hope this additional info will help.

Quote from: Quantum_Doogy on August 12, 2010, 08:04:00 AM
The Peace Maker

Maybe a possible free energy device I designed on paper.
(Maybe or maybe not, need your help to find out).

Because I have been too ill and too poor for a very very long time, I am sharing this with you to pass it to others you may know that may be interested in testing my device idea further to prove if it will work in the real world, per my calculations and simulation it appears it may work unless I missed something. I designed it many years ago hoping to save up money to pay for it to be made but that day never came, so I have made this public domain free for anyone, to make, sale, and or use in any fashion freely with no restrictions.

Like I said I am not sure if it will work in the real world, so I am putting it out there for another set of eyes out there, maybe they can do their own figuring to prove if it would work or not either through actually making it and or simulating it with some software.

Attached to this are 3 images that illustrates the main component design which I found to be the most optimum shape for this type of device. Their are some others out there that operate in a similar fashion but I calculated all such devices I came across and they did not work per my calculations and their claims appear to me to be too magical, yet mine did show it may work per my calculations and it is nothing magical or out of the realm of the current known science, which does make me think I could be wrong and missed something in my figures. I am not going to explain the figures in detail for that even if I did people would still deny it or if I made a mistake maybe others will not see it and do the same mistake, so it is best that many others out there with the ability on their own to figure the engineering behind it and see with their own eyes whether it would work or not and let us all know for sure. However I will explain the basics and show the diagram of the main component, which will be enough for the average electronic engineer to figure out the rest, and the rest are standard basic electric circuits.

I call the device the "Peace Maker" and looking at the design you will see why.

Here is a description of it and refer to the 3 drawings to correlate to it:

The device is a transformer with a magnet and coils in the shape of the popular peace symbol from the 60's, which I found has the best efficiency levels compared to other shapes. As in the drawing the upper middle center would be a magnet the rest would be a high permeability material over 400 for small units and 600 and higher for larger units. The lower middle center will be a coil of wire wrapped around the permeable material. The left and right lower curved area would be coils around the permeable material. The upper left and right parts of the inner Y area would be a coil around the permeable material. The top above the magnet area would not have any wire since the field does not charge there.

The center does not have to be that segmented shape as in the drawing, I did that so the magnetic calculator program would be easier to use for me, because I had a free version of the program it did not allow me to make special shapes in 1 piece and that center shape was easier to assembly in the free version of the software. But that area can be as we all know, as illustrated in the popular peace symbol.

The key to this device is that the permeability must be over 400, 600 or higher is even better and even more efficient.

The input coil is DC pulsed on 50% or less duty cycle.
The time the input coil is on you take the power out on coil 1 & 2.
(One could not use coil 1 & 2 and instead just take the power back out of the input coil during flyback, but I chose to use coil 1 & 2 for input isolation reasons and avoid ground loop issue).
Then when the input coil is off you take the power out on coil 3 & 4.
The input coil field strength will need to be 25% to 100% of the magnet strength, depending on the coil design, more then 100% coil field strength matching level to magnet strength would make device less efficient, therefore the efficiency is a like bell curve.
The # of coil turns will need to be related to the magnetic inductance equivalence (ie. the magnetic XL value related to the coil XL values to determine mutual inductance values and frequency and turn ratio).
Another aspect to this device is that the output power can never be more then the magnet strength so there is a limit to the output power, if put in too little input power it will be less efficient and if put too much input power it will be less efficient. And the input coil field strength value worst case will be 100% of the magnetic strength and at best case around 25% of the magnetic strength depending on frequency and other factors. however through some calculating it appears the coil input field strength average is around 50% of the magnetic strength, but further testing is needed to see if that is correct or not. Even when the input coil field strength is 100% (equal) the magnet field strength it appears that the total output energy is still near 200% of the input energy.

I hope I was able to explain it well enough to be generally understood.
Thanks for your time and I hope someone can do something with it.

Just maybe the answer was blowing in the wind all these decades...

Peace and Love to All

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I am not sure if I understand what you are trying to say...
Maybe someone should show them this device and I am sure someone at GE could spend 1 hr to simulate it and see if it would work. I have shared this with others over 2 years and so far no one has even mentioned if they looked in to it nor make it nor simulated it nor even repost it anywhere.
I would think at least if some big corp blowing billions could spare $25,000 to test this idea out. But maybe they just want you to think they are trying to figure something out or they are figuring something out so they can own it and bury it or the $ is being used for some other purpose they not want us to know about. Anyhow someone ripped someone off there big time, that is just too huge amount to spend...
BTW: I do have another device that makes HHO extremely efficient, however I am currently looking in to if it is patentable, if not then I most likely will release it freely to the public domain unless someone want to pass some big $ my way to know how for themselves or to keep me silent like they do to others, I have no problem release it freely to the public domain but I am so desperate for $ I want to at least look in to if there is a way patent it. Dang they spent billions... I figured it out off and on in 2 weeks time for around $20 and with some old junk around the garage (da'aang...). I guess too many people only know whats in their text books and the fluoride and other toxins in the water and food and environment has impaired peoples ability to think outside the box. I call it the old horse knot. If you know how horses are tied to posts that may give you have a little giggle. However my health is so bad and the health care system F*#$ed me over who knows how much longer I will be alive...I guess I should have studied health rather then electricity...oh well too late...

Quote from: john100 on October 02, 2010, 06:42:26 AM
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@Quantum_Doogy, off topic but, not sure what your health issues are but have you tried MMS.  I have used it over a long period with great success and know many who have used it to 'fix' many problems.  Try it!  Good luck!

It is spooky that you said that, because I just tried MMS 2 days ago for the 1st time. And how many other things could have been said, imagine the odds of that, spoooooky  ;)

New protocols up on www.jimhumble.biz web site for MMS.  Great stuff - give it a chance it it can do miracles!

Will do, thanks  ;D

The thing is you're not alone - ever!  One tip, take it slow and rather build your dose up slowly but surely.  Also, try doing hourly doses (in a bottle as per new protocol but take additional water with each dose), its by far the better protocol.  I can guide you with this - pm me if you wish. Take care.

Anyone want to debunk my MEG device idea? Please...
I see lots of others getting debunked, why no debunkers want to debunk my idea...?
I had posted it to other places over 2 years ago and had it here for over 6 months now...
But still not 1 debunker nor anyone that I know of or heard of bothered to look in to it by doing the math or simulation even...
So far for 2.5 years since I gave it to the public domain all I got was "very interesting" and "thanks".
I kind of hope it does not work otherwise I psss'd away a billion $ invention...
But I did the math and it showed it may work, but I must have made a mistake and missed something...
And I am too poor to build it.
If I am wrong that is ok.
If someone else can show it may work that would be cool.
If anyone does debunk it or finds that it may work please show the math and post it here either way...

@Quantum_Doogy:

Do you have this device simulated in FEMM? Can you upload and share the simulation files so that some of us can look at it better?

It kinda "SEEMS" like this design has the potential to work. . . .

Sincerely,
truesearch

Hello Quantum_Doogy
Your idea looks a lot like this

I had tried that one too that you mentioned with a square shape, that one did not show any OU, it was still only an efficient transformer, just do the work/math and you will see that. I did try many other shapes and all those that I came across as well but all with same results an efficient transformer, all that lead up to this design of mine, again do the math/work...anything I show you will still be considered bunk no matter what, so I leave it up to others to do the work/math so they can see with their own eyes, but I guess that is too much to ask for...., no wonder all this crazy stuff is going on in the world, I guess people would starve if fast food restaurants shutdown... :(

Quote from: Montec on March 09, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
Hello Quantum_Doogy
Your idea looks a lot like this

Hi folks, Hi doogy, i started a thread awhile back in the EF, though only one comment from trueresearch the other day.

I think it looks like a superior design compared to the meg and other designs i've seen.

The meg doesn't shift all of the flux from each generator core section like the peace maker does.
The meg splits the permanent magnets flux when not energized, therefore going from a 1/2 saturated state to full saturation, then back again to 1/2 saturation.

Where as the peace maker outer generator core/coils goes from 0 saturated state to full saturation when energized, while at the same time the inner core legs go to 0 saturation.
Then when de-energized the outer core legs go to 0 saturation and then the inner passive generator core/coil legs go to full saturation, which should generate a voltage by such action.

As can be seen, this is totally different from meg, parallel path and others ive seen, which leave the generating core legs with a substantial existing flux which will not produce the same efficiency this peace maker design will. Maybe that's why meg and others need specialized cores for it work properly.
I'd love to try building this, any tips on what i could use to build it, i have many small to medium transformers laying around, maybe i could cut them up and cobble together a test unit.
Let me know folks. This was the cad pic i made from the other thread.

peace love light
Tyson ;)

Here is the updated cad pic of the peace maker with the outer generator coils shown.
peace love light
Tyson

Hi SkyWatcher123
Good job, you are correct. I had been waiting patiently for a long time from such a response.
Thank you for taking a look and realizing just by looking at it for just a few minutes you can obviously see the possibility of it over others.
As a simple test before making it, without having to design it in some complicated simulator, you can try in less then 15 minutes just put it in vizimag http://www.vizimag.com/ (they have a 30 day free trial) and make 2 files, one for each state of conditions, one with coil on, other with coil off, and that will show such results. After that you can spend more time and put it in a complicated simulator like FEMM and many others to get more accurate simulations.
Keep in mind the core permeability had to be high, above estimate of 400, and 600 or higher for even less core losses, but not super high like others.
I found below 400 the core losses start to increase, you could probably get it going with less permeability but then have to focus on the right balance of magnet strengths and input coil strengths much more closely.
What happens with the core permeability being too low is that the input coil power to make the input coil field strengths match to the magnets field strength end up having to be more then what can get out and therefore too much loss in efficiency.
In my findings I found that permeability of 600 or higher was sufficient to over come that.

You probably can also do a spherical shape with 2 peace symbols, 1 on the x axis and 1 on the z axis, using the same y axis, and also another way is to do a peace symbol tube shape like as well, both for large units, with same results, however those would be more complicated to make.

Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on March 10, 2011, 06:19:45 PM
Here is the updated cad pic of the peace maker with the outer generator coils shown.
peace love light
Tyson

Another note:
The input coil charge timing needs to match or be less then the charge on the output coil #3 + #4, otherwise it will be less efficient, this depends on many factors such as permeability, magnet strength, coils, and load. One can measure that and then adjust the pulse width of the DC pulse input signal until get maximum efficiency.
Also one can use a bedini circuit or similar circuit on the input coil to recover any unused energy.

Update:
A very sharp engineer that I highly respect had taken a look at this and he told me it will not work. I still am not sure where I made a mistake on it but I am certainly taking his word about that.

   You should never allow your self to be told something will
never work by EE's. Not saying they are wrong, but they are
taught from a set of books that taught their teachers and
their teachers and their... well you see what I mean. We fly
because they refused to believe what was said and did it anyhow.

thay

Quote from: Quantum_Doogy on March 24, 2011, 06:03:59 PM
Update:
A very sharp engineer that I highly respect had taken a look at this and he told me it will not work. I still am not sure where I made a mistake on it but I am certainly taking his word about that.

Like Thay said, you wont get good advice from an EE.

As above, you said you didnt know where you went wrong. If the EE knew, he would have told you.  But he doesnt, or you would know from him what the problem is.  ;)

mags

You might want to look at Thane Heins.

wattsup

Update2:

A while back I posted "A very sharp engineer that I highly respect had taken a look at this and he told me it will not work. I still am not sure where I made a mistake on it but I am certainly taking his word about that. " Later I found out he did not even bother to give a try to look this device over just because it was connected to OU he automatically did not even consider it and just said it would not work because there is no such thing as OU. I personally agree for the most part there is no such thing as OU as in no external energy source goes, but if there is a fuel/energy source such as pulling energy from another dimension such as ITM (zero point), or have certain materials configured in such a way to allow for lower input energy to produce higher output energy that require a fuel source such as the sun or some noble gas fusion process, or some certain arrangement of magnetic monopoles but magnetic monopoles are not easy to make yet, or Tesla coil tapping energy out of the atmosphere pulling a part of the natural charge difference between the earth and the air, or by recycling energy such as capacitor bank open circuit system combined with a certain chemical process ;-) Yet then such things are not really OU, but just use of a fuel/energy source from elsewhere. So then it comes down to whether OU is about breaking the laws of nature (not possible), or OU is just using less energy to make more energy from another fuel/energy source (possible) in like a waste site making methane could be considered. So what does OU really mean, to some it is breaking laws of nature, to others is it a way to use less energy to trigger a process to make more energy which applies to many known things, however it is not OU as many perceive but a way to use some external source of energy from a limited or unlimited supply, maybe just because of a relative syntax of OU leads to many to not even look, so maybe a word we should be using here is alternative energy source (AES), which reminds me of something a great scientist said that I hear mis-stated a lot that is nothing can travel faster then light, but that was not what was said, what was said was basically nothing with mass can travel faster then light within this space. One comment leads to not even considering such a possibility, the other comment leads to potential consideration of such a possibility.

With this device if it works, I still do not know for sure, but the concept of where the extra energy comes from is that it recycles the input energy when have input pulse on, the unique configuration of the coil plus magnet appear to allow for recycling the input energy on a set of output coils, and when the input energy is off the change in the magnetic field induces energy in another set of output coils.

Any 2nd opinion is welcome pro or con.

Still not one other person I know of took a real look in to seeing if there is something here or not...Anyone interested in at least calculating or simulating it to see if it would work or not?

I shall call it the flux capacitor....

sorry had to make the reference as the design reminds me of it alot

ha ha, that is funny, if the core was super conductive then it would be a flux capacitor. Maybe someday it will be used in a time machine, he he ;-)

I thought to try a simple way to simulate it in LTspice, I broke in down to different circuit parts (which is a common circuit practice when figuring out power/signal levels during different states), One being the on state and the other being the off state, then to simulate the magnet part I just put DC on a coil. Giving that the magnetic field simulation with vizimag showed at the right core permeability over 400 there is a ratio of magnetic flow on the different areas of the core that is above 85% between on and off states. Therefore in the LTspice simulation I could make 2 different transformer circuits to simulate the 2 conditions. My findings was over 150% output compared to input, which would mean if had 100 watts input one may get over 150 watts output. Unless I did something wrong, so who knows, maybe someone else out there can give it a try and see and share the findings with all of us, but I gave this away to the public domain so many years ago and I have not heard of one person that has even tried yet, to do the most basic math to see for themselves if there may be something there or not...oh well...I guess its like that old saying "you can lead a horse to water, but can not make it drink the water"...

Hi.

No need to worry that you invention will be lost in the wind. ;)
I was very busy in this "OU" field 9 years ago, and now I decided it's time for a comeback.
I'm currently buying necessary equipment on ebay and in a moth I should have all that I need (good scope, RLC meter, signal generator...)

I will have the core for the peace maker laser cut from electrical sheet steel which has relative permeability around 7000.

I wish all the equipment was here already, but it takes a long time to get stuff from china to europe...

Have fun :)
Frenky

Beautiful!!!  ;D
WOW!!! permeability around 7000 that is great and will probably be very near 200% efficient on paper.
Good idea using laser cut permeable sheet steel.
I hope it works in the real world, I wish you good luck. Please let me know if it works or not either way.
If it works please do not sit around waiting for mega millions from an investor for a factory, maybe just start selling them 1 at a time on ebay to get them to the people.
A note: Be sure the input coil can handle producing the same level of EM field strength as the magnets field strength. If the input coil can not you may need to change magnets or change input coil. You can simulate it on vizimag or FEMM software to get an idea for around what input current you may need and what wire and turns as well.
Thanks  ;D
I can RIP now  :)

I will make one test coil from the same sheet steel just for testing the strength of magnetic field.

This way I can change the setup of the coil (regular/bifilar, different gauge...) and see what is the minimum amount of power I will need to get the same strength of magnetic field as with the magnets.

I am curious what people may think of this one, take the poll at the top of the article: "Do you think this would work?" (No, Have no idea, Maybe, Yes).
Your input is appreciated.
Thanks,
QD