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Title: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: geotron on August 14, 2010, 02:06:48 AM
After viewing the content available on doubly-wound
secondary transformers reducing energy consumption,
it seemed plausible.

This shows the basic idea -
Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: FatBird on August 16, 2010, 09:29:42 AM
@ xiaoni990

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Thank you for those “nuggets of gold” info.

That really, really helps all of us build a free energy machine!!

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Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: geotron on August 16, 2010, 07:20:34 PM
I'm a bit concerned here that a tangent has formed
away from the topic at hand.

Please refrain from posting non-relevant information.

Thanks,
geotron
Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 16, 2010, 08:56:09 PM
Quote from: geotron on August 16, 2010, 07:20:34 PM
I'm a bit concerned here that a tangent has formed
away from the topic at hand.

Please refrain from posting non-relevant information.

Thanks,
geotron
I think geotron makes a point for Replies #'s 1 & 2.

@geotron
Can you draw something with more perspective---and hopefully---in reasonably accurate proportion?

--Lee
Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: Judges on August 16, 2010, 09:16:30 PM
Fatbird,,,you just replied to a computer generated message,ha,ha,ha

ie:Not typed in by a live person.A live person DID,,program it though.Indeed!

I like and wish I new more about this random sentence generation.code,,,,

Regards,,Fatbird,,,our technology out paces us,,,
Joe in Texas
Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 16, 2010, 09:23:14 PM
Quote from: Judges on August 16, 2010, 09:16:30 PM
Fatbird,,,you just replied to a computer generated message,ha,ha,ha

ie:Not typed in by a live person.A live person DID,,program it though.Indeed!

I like and wish I new more about this random sentence generation.code,,,,

Regards,,Fatbird,,,our technology out paces us,,,
Joe in Texas
Judges is right?  Looks like computer generation output of a video game commentary on the effect of children playing the game?
But, why is it there in the first place?  Does Stefan know about this?  That kind of thing is unnecessary on OU.

--Lee
Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: Judges on August 16, 2010, 10:56:59 PM
QuoteJudges is right?  Looks like computer generation output of a video game commentary on the effect of children playing the game?
But, why is it there in the first place?  Does Stefan know about this?  That kind of thing is unnecessary on OU.

--Lee


Lee,you don't find it Interesting?

The content is Bullshit,,,but could you imagine ,putting all the words that came to mind for Over Unity,,then commanding the program to out legible sentences?

Joe in Texas
Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 17, 2010, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: Judges on August 16, 2010, 10:56:59 PM

Lee,you don't find it Interesting?

The content is Bullshit,,,but could you imagine ,putting all the words that came to mind for Over Unity,,then commanding the program to out legible sentences?

Joe in Texas
@Judges
Now, I can.
10-15 years ago I saw in a commercial writing magazine devoted to you selling what you write to publishers that software was developed to generate prose by inputting keywords into a program.  This might be that application.

I almost forgot about it.  Only seeing a demonstration here has reminded me of the incident.  You're correct in that regard, if that was your point.

We still don't need that on this site.  "Off-topic."

--Lee
Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: geotron on August 17, 2010, 07:35:25 PM
I'm becoming less enthusiastic about sharing things
here when I see garbage floating around in some kind
of attempt to draw focus away from the subject at hand;
instead directing it towards a novelty gimick.

LEAVE this message thread if that's all you're going to do.

[ the_big_m_in_ok ] - The following will likely show a
better visual representation of what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 17, 2010, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: geotron on August 17, 2010, 07:35:25 PM
[ the_big_m_in_ok ] - The following will likely show a
better visual representation of what I'm getting at.
Yes, geotron, I understand better what you're trying to do.
Being that patents are something I have more than a little experience with, you might look at the USPTO database and see if someone has come up with a design similar to yours?

http://google.com/advanced_patent_search  , for starters

I qualify my suggestion by saying that these patents (hundreds available) really aren't trying to achieve OU, but their descriptive text may allow you to look at a design in a different way?  There are certainly interleaved coil arrangements that step up voltage and there are split core designs that attempt to mitigate stray ringing or possible capacitance effects between coil turns, as an example.  Then there's always the elimination of CEMF/BEMF, which was usually considered undesirable by the inventors.

--Lee
Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: geotron on August 17, 2010, 07:59:40 PM
This may be another option - three coils; the first on the left
to accept AC input or pulses of DC, then the other two arranged
in a bifilar pickup arrangment.
Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 17, 2010, 08:14:48 PM
Quote from: geotron on August 17, 2010, 07:59:40 PM
This may be another option - three coils; the first on the left
to accept AC input or pulses of DC, then the other two arranged
in a bifilar pickup arrangment.
I got lucky and saw this:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=xAQ6AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false  (look at Fig. 4)

Here's a better copy:

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat4112403.pdf

REEDIT:
Take a look at this:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=ggYlAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
Suppose a primary coil was wound around the top set of 3 core legs in Fig. 6?  That coil and the others would have individual coils turns running 90 deg. to each other, similar to your drawing.  Can you envision what I mean?

NOTE:
These patents aren't deliberately trying to do what you're doing, but the original inventors may have a case for copyright infringement against whomever goes public with it and tries to make money.
Not that you're like that, geotron, but some people are suspicious and distrustful, even if they are wrong.

--Lee
Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: geotron on August 17, 2010, 10:27:12 PM
This is something I would not ever use for the purpose of
monetary gain.  If there was some way to utilize the transformer
technology by modifying its design in some way to pick up extra
energy not usually accounted for, it would be a donation to
the hobby, and also perhaps mankind.

If it happened that (each of) the pickup coil(s) was wound
to be bifilar... sending pulses through the input coil would
energize both the windings.  The 2nd winding, as per how
[ Bedini ] has implemented the bifilar coil, would act in the
same way would it not - grabbing out an extra portion of
signal voltage not normally seen?

I've not yet drawn out the circuit for the [ Bedini Generator ],
although I believe I might at least partially understand how he
has designed it.

By pulsing the 1st winding it generates a current in the 2nd,
and when they are both turned off, a burst of energy flows out
of them as back-emf.  There is twice as much effect as cause.

My thoughts are that having a bifilar coil on the output of a
transformer would work in the same fashion - grabbing out the extra
current whose destination would be either the source battery, or a
secondary one - both connected with a switching device.

So the bEMF from the input coil would be directed into the source
battery, recharging it.  The bifilar output coil then would work as
a supply for additional voltage back to the battery.

Is this sensible?
Title: Re: Trifilar Return Transformer
Post by: Judges on August 18, 2010, 02:15:41 AM
Geotron,,I would be hurt indeed to think I might have offended someone,,I am not a novice I have wound some BIG coils the latest being a 22 turn for layer,,twenty something layers,,I lost count,,tar paper between layers,,Coil,,Built,,For One end of a Magnet Maker,(two close as possible matched  coils required),I have to go by measurement from my Sencore LC102 and Amprobe37Xra,,,I still need to cut the forms,haven't started,the second and last coil,,All of the above to say that after I finish this current wind,,,

I may be open to something you can see in either number 17 magnet wire or number (I THINK?) number 28,three fourth or more on spool,,Also have a lot of,big ass square military spec solid  copper wire,roughly ?#8?,,or 10,,big,
wound with the square on the plane,,I wonder at the use of the TeleyDyne transformer,all wound on six inch by three and a half,many input/out put patches to primary and secondary,,,I would wish for  understanding of how/why it works,,I only have two left from six,,,
my spouse chewing my ass about all my "stuff" and I sold $$$$$  to make her happy,,Its a give and take thing,,God willing our path may pass again,good-by,

I DO like coiling,my second coil needs to match as close as possible to the first one,,Resistance is a good ball park,,the Sencore does good on H and mh,My turns will be determined for the second coil by the readings of the first.Weight thirty six point five on bathroom scale.
Pictures,if requested.
Good luck my friend.
I will check in here in a week or so.
PM,,or e-mail,,,,me if you feel the need.
I wind Coils with my Upside down converted ,old heavy duty twelve volt electric wheelchair rear end,,,speed,torque,,beautiful to work with,I have several hundreds of pounds of grain oriented steel laminate three inch by eleven inch,,lots of machining to do as the MM coils take a three and seven eights ROUND core,,not to worry I have learned tricks with placing laminate,,each thin slice well oiled can be Joined in the simple but large CORE,,fifteen long five high in inches,,my welding machine is my friend,

Please don't think I am taking away from your OP,,I do not have the skill of looking at your drawing and understanding it.

But if I have the specifications I can build it,If I so decide to.

Respectfully to the Group
Joe in Texas
addendum:
My Magnet maker is from "How to build a "Magneto Magnetizer,,David J. Gingery ISBN #,,1-878087-15-0