The purpose of this thread is to create an area where everybody interested in pursuing Magnetolysis can post about their replications.
TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT WORKING ON A REPLICATION OF MAGNETOLYSIS OR WHO BELIEVE THIS PROCESS WILL NOT WORK FOR ANY REASON: EXIT THIS THREAD NOW.
Bullshit will not be tolerated in this thread.
Please only post hardcore information about progress on your build(s), and put the theoretical stuff in the other thread: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9448.0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9448.0).
Be BLUNT and right to the point. If you are incapable of reading, or do not understand, I suggest using the search feature or Google to find out more. This is not the place to ask questions.
That said - let's get this show on the road.
Hi Oswald,
sorry for this "bullshit", but where is something shown to replicate ???
I have read everything from Ehrenhaft up to your theory,
but never found any encouraging setup of Magnetolysis at work.
Have i missed something?
LTbolo
We played with a couple of configurations...about 500 turns of 16 gauge wire on a spindle and a flat solenoid on a small plastic tube, driven with 30v pulsed DC and a full H bridge drive for AC.
Due to the inductance of both configurations, we found it difficult to get very much power into either coil at frequency. It is obvious to me that nearly any coil of a length needed to generate a significant magnetic field is also going to have enough inductance that high frequency drive will be difficult at any real power level. That leaves me pretty skeptical that 17MHz could happen, and even 10s of kHz becomes somewhat challenging.
Contrary to statements made by others, I do not think this is easy. If it works at all...and I am far from convinced...it seems like it will take more than a simple magnetic field. Barring any demonstrations of a system that works, I doubt that we will pursue this further. If somebody comes forward with a working device, and detailed plans to replicate, I would enthusiastically jump back in.
Good luck.
Hello All, this is how nature builds and destroys so I think it is the best method to investigate. Magnetic induction will place all the items within the field into the same polarity. But then how do we attract the elements apart? Heat will widen the helix, but the bonds will have the extra energy from the heat, gravity can do it without so much excitement. Any thoughts on this?
Ltbolo
experiment 2
I was messing around in the lab a bit tonight, and hooked up a flat solenoid/plastic tube to my Tesla Hairpin. With the tube empty, it will pull about a 1" plasma arc to ground. With the tube filled with NaOH solution, it wouldn't resonate at all...which surprised me...but then after thinking about it, it really doesn't...I can actually think of several possible reasons why it kills the ringing. I reduced the amount of NaOH to about 3" in the bottom, and was able to pull about 1/4" arc. I left it running for a while but got nothing out.
The hairpin is driven with a 250W oil furnace transformer. The spark gap is about 1"...crazy loud and crazy bright. A 100W halogen bulb lights very nicely when hooked across the bars. Clearly there is plenty of power at high frequency.
I wanna believe guys...but nothing I've seen gives me much hope.
Hi all
Ive been out of the loop for a bit, but had a lot of time to think.
Ram emailed me to check out this idea and it sounds good.
It seems we have all the ingredients other than solution density and how to fire the coil.
Solution will have to be experimented with.
Firing the coil, I would use cap discharge. High impulse dc. Teslas Igniter circuit just might do it. But a cap discharge of high voltage, say start at 300v, starting with small caps at first.
Just a suggestion from what I understand of it at this point.
Caps at high volts can deliver gobs of amps into the coil instantaneously, and produce a strong field very quickly.
Again, just from what I read since last night, I see the particles all in a series/ parallel glob, maybe, but it will take a good pulse to produce all the energy needed to get the majority of the particles to split water all together.
I like the capacitive plates on the container idea also. Believe it or not, I had thoughts of this within the last 2 weeks as to if it could work, being the water becomes a part of the capacitors makeup. This will provide voltage potential within the water, but the induction idea does hold more plate surface area as suggested.
A cheap strobe light can charge a cap to 400v pretty quick, put a larger cap in, it will take longer to charge with the same circuit, but will pulse harder. If it works, build or buy a bigger strobe circuit or just a flash circuit.
Hope this helps
Mags
one more thing. From what I know, dc works better at producing hho better than ac. But I dont know if that applies here. And we all know that the field needs to fluctuate to produce current in a conductor. I would also try some low freq ac. It has a longer dc component which might work.
I read 5 amps input. Does anyone have an ohm reading of a coil according to the directions so far? The voltage can be calculated V=IxR just to get a base going.
Now if it took an average of 5 amps to charge a cap for discharge, the this would produce a lot of energy considering the size of the discharge cap.
But if it is ac, the voltage requirements might be higher as freq goes up, considering the coil impedance. But as long as we have a way to measure the current at around 5 amps, at whatever voltage or freq together produces 5 amps, someone should be able to get close keeping these things in mind.
But then again, 5 amps where? In the coil? From a 12v supply battery?
Just ideas
Mags
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Hello friend,
Thank you for sharing this info!
we are discussing this over here,
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9448.msg256623#new
Chet
@All,
I have built an RF oscillator. The RF output in the coil is approx. 5 Watt
when the circuit runs on 15 Volt 0,5 A. The frequency with a empty jar
is approx. 10MHz. When I fill the jar with water then the frequency is 14MHz.
I have tried plain tap water, tap water with table salt and tap water with
baking soda, but no bubbles yet. Haven't messed around with Sodium hydroxide
yet.
Groundloop.
Chris Marion's replication results: Magnetolyzer MK1 (http://www.chrismarion.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=100&Itemid=205)
This is the test info from anonymous mayonnaise jar man
Emails with Chris Hunter helping him get up to speed.
I'm stuck on something that maybe you can help me get around the stump. I've run hundreds of tests on this
and is the only area of electrolysis that I'm focused on. ..The effect of magnetism on the electrolysis process.
For the past year I've been playing with accelerating the electrolysis process using a couple of fair sized stator coils
(7.5 amp and 8.4 amp) with great success using straight 120 AC. ( No effect with DC). One has 4 coils and the other has two.
Both very powerful electromagnets. I've run them as conventional electromagnets as well as connecting the windings to have
the same magnetic pole facing in. Simple 2-plate martensitic ss electrodes are just fine as a cell for testing.
The acceleration process is monstrous running this way. You probably already know that a 15 to 20 times increase in the rate
would not be exaggerating. (I'd gladly send you a vid clip but my cable provider has me capped, so I cant do that )
As you probably know, you cant run a stator coil that way for much longer than 10 seconds or the windings will fry
with the conductive load, so I protect the windings with a 7.5 amp variac . The problem with that is the increase in acceleration
is very minimal running this way, and I can only run it at 7.5 amps at around 30 volts AC..
Anything you can think of anything (electrical or otherwise) that can add to this set up try to get around this?
Even if you don't have an answer for that ..any thoughts on a slightly different approach I might try with this?
Hope you're doing well.
Ok, to keep the stator coils from frying up, you need to observe Kirschoff's Law and the Laws of Thermodynamics. These are so important that you will soon learn the most valuable lesson in circuit design.
I will start with a simple circuit because keeping it simple is important.
We have a power source (can be AC or DC) and we have a Coil. Now this coil is nothing more than a length of wire, and this length of wire can be 1 inch long or it can be 1 mile long, it doesn't matter. What would happen if I put a 10 inch length of wire across the terminals of a car battery? Gets quite hot quite quickly! Now, let's put a heat device in series with this wire, like a light bulb.
So we insert a light bulb which is 90% heat and 10% light in series with your coil. Now the coil becomes passive and is a conductor and an inductor, and we observe the laws of thermodynamics. How? For every hot side there's a cold side. Equal and opposite reaction. So if the cold side of the circuit is desired to be the coils, then we need something to get hot so the coils stay cold. The energy has to go someplace.
Now if we put a large ballast resistor in series with your coil (I prefer the tube type carbon pile ballast resistors because I can run a cooling pipe through it to a radiator to cool it down) then it will allow enough current to flow to generate the magnetic field you need without messing with the frequency. If you use a light bulb, you will be restricted by the amount of current that can flow through the tungsten element. A large resistor is designed to carry current but convert energy to heat in a specific location, which would be wherever you want that heat to be located.
Now if you want to go a step further....put your 2 plates in series with the coil, where the power flows THROUGH the water to get to the coil, and the resistance of the water will keep the coil cold, but it will self regulate from the gaseous resistive barrier that builds on the plates from the hydrogen and oxygen.
I hope this helps, and please if you could, let me know how it works for you, test results, etc.
Chris Hunter
ArcticTek.com
Since your reply, I took your suggestions and was able solve my electrical issue. It enabled me to be able to finally test
for much longer periods of time. That allowed me to take things even further. Thanks Chris ..you got me out of a rut.
Those stator magnets were very strong, and the effect dramatic as I said before, but it led me to conclude
that I needed something with an even greater magnetic capability.
Since then, I was able to pick up a powerhouse industrial electromagnet, that at 12 volts has a lifting strength of 889 lbs ( nearly half a ton ! )
and is designed to operate at either 12DC, 24 DC or 120 AC, with lukewarm heat at best at full power. With a variac I'm able to run it
anywhere from 10 AC to 140 AC without a problem. Weighs a whopping 7 lbs. Cost me $60 and has a magnetic field that extends nicely.
At 12 volts DC it sticks to metal like its welded, and a simple PWM takes care of the regulation.
If you're looking for one or two for any reason, let me know ..I have a great supplier.
The accelerating effect on electrolysis is monstrous using this magnet. I'm purposefully using mason jars for testing, so that I can
visually see what's going on, but the pull is so strong that I'm continually breaking jars. I should be able to overcome that pretty simply
with a different plate assembly configuration.
Succesfull replication of Mookies [anonymous mayonaise jar man above] magnetrolysis accelerator
By Stevie 1001 Vids and Pics here
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1471.new.html#new
Vid here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlvnhJ78KZI
[img0110] [this Vid only shows the gas burning,still trying to load the bigger vid posted at the link above]
Mookies video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKqs5z2DrCk
Comments
Electrolysis Accelerator
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Several years ago, I grew tired of building electrolysis cells of various design,
concluding that they are all more or less the same, in that, at 12 volts
you simply cant build a cell to output much more than 1 litre/minute.
So I took a different approach, from a different perspective.
I reasoned that if I were able to create what's known as "electron avalanche"
inside an electrolysis cell via resonating electrode plates
I would, in turn, accelerate the electrolysis process.
It took 2 years, and hundreds of hours rethinking, rebuilding and retesting
in order to succeed. So here it is ..and its plainly as simple as it looks.
An accelerator that can run all day, quite capable of increasing the output
of any electrolysis cell by an order of magnitude of 10 to 15 times.
Mookie
Vrands replication parts order from here,
Farrahs replication here also
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=399.msg6376
Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator
« Reply #47 on: Today at 06:36:01 »
Quote from: Farrah Day on 2010-11-04, 17:26:17
Hi Yaro
I'm going to be building an EM from scratch, still just getting together the parts and deciding on my design at present. I'll start a new thread focussing on the build and my experiments in due course, which I'll be keeping clean by moderating. Hopefully Mike will also get himself a workbench here so we can compare notes. Looking forward to determining exactly what is happening in this process.
Edit: I see Mike (Vrand) has got a workbench set up here ready to go.
Mike reply,
Hi Farrah,
Yes, I will start posting on my workbench as the parts arrive and I get some bench time building it.
Parts on order:
- The EM from Mookies recommended supplier "Controlled Automation" (Electromagnet that lifts 1430 pounds @24VDC) ebay listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/Electromagnet-lifts-1430-pounds-24VDC-83821-/160501203893?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255e9e03b5
- 430 ss, 24" X 24" X 16ga, 430 ss sheet. Looking at making the electrode plates 3" X 7", so can try at least 2 different configurations. Will take to local machine shop for laser cutting. Got off ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360314291640&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT
- Power supply for the plate electrodes, I already have a 55 amp 12 Volt DC PWM http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PWM-PULSE-WIDTH-MODULATOR-55A-HHO-HYDROGEN-GENERATOR-/300489341412?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45f68f79e4. Already using this PS for some other cell designs so it will work perfect for Mookie's design.
- Power supply for the electromagnet can also be done with the 55 amp PWM, as well as the variac. Will test to see the difference between pulsed DC and 60 cycle AC going into the EM.
- Air dryer/pressure regulator is superior to water bubbler for taking out the water vapor of the HHO gas and still leave the "charged gas" to charge the air in the engine combustion chamber. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AIR-FILTER-FLOW-REGULATOR-AIR-COMPRESSOR-AIR-TOOL-AFR80-/150489084281?pt=UK_Air_Tools_and_Compressors&hash=item2309d93179
- The container at first can be just a bucket, but will need a pressure vessel for the real testing to determine the LPM and to take to 60 psi. Might have to make it out of steel then epoxy coat the inside. Still designing.
OK Sorry this took so long
Steve from here http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1471.new.html#
Vid showing the Magnetolysis effect
http://www.youtube.com/user/ramset1#p/a/u/0/pGovccxeehE
Vid here showing him light the gas from the effect
[Showing its not just air]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlvnhJ78KZI
And of course
Mookies video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKqs5z2DrCk
If you're not experimenting with this ?
You're nuts
Chet
PS
Replication summary's as of this date Nov 5 2010
Vrand [well schooled in HHO techs of recent times,extremely dedicated to Open source ,an absolute "GEM"]
Here
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=399.msg6403;topicseen#msg6403
Farrah Day [ pursuing a Different angle on what she feels is going on ,Cavitation [one of my favorite OU words]
One of the most knowledgeable individuals I have ever heard on these forums, Dedicated to Open source!
Here http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=405.msg6400;topicseen#msg6400
Stevie 1001
I have only recently made his aquaintance,has done a rediculous amount of actual experiments and research.
Completely dedicated to Open Source!!
Here
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1471.new.html#
Energetic forum [definately read this short thread]
Here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6637-electrolysis-accelerator.html
Please add any other replications you Know of!!
Guys
Bang zoom where goin to the moon!!
.
Ramses, what exactly is a "magnetolysis effect"?
Spinner
we're not supposed to talk here [Oswald will kick our A^^'^]
Replications only questions over here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9448.msg262962#new
Chet
Some advice for replicators from Chris Hunter today
Alaska Star to me
show details 2:56 PM (1 hour ago)
I finally got on to read the thread some more.
Tuning: have you ever tried to make 2 identical coils, same gauge wire, exact length of wire, number of wraps, etc....and then tried to tune them?
They will each have their own resonance.
They will never be identical no matter how hard you try.
Exacting plans are useless, and replication worthless if this basic tuning of coils concept is missing from the equation.
Just thought I would point that out so that people can collaborate with a bit more proficiency.
Also, the guy who had too much water vapor mixed...he needs to just run it through a condenser, cooling it down, allowing the water to drip out and the hydrogen to be separate.
Chris
As you know ,I have no perspective [education] on what could be happening here![not sure many do]
To even try to understand "electron cascade"hurts My tiny brain! ,
However "cavitation"
That makes sense, It has to be possible
[the pistol shrimp]
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/pistol-shrimp/76a7df8dca951d0d520176a7df8dca951d0d5201-285331751718?q=pistol%20shrimp&FORM=VIRE1
Something unusual can happen when we cavitate water ,the way the shrimp does!
Chris Hunter
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:ArcticTek:Chris_Hunter_(Alaska_Star)'s_Axial_Flux_Motor
Qoute: Hunter has also been working on what he calls "magnetolysis" or magnetic electrolysis for hydroxy gas production.
Made a claim {I think 2006 or 07] Before Kanzius.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kanzius
Chris did Magnetolysis with a very heavy lye solution!
And got 1 Gallon of water to turn into 5000 liters of gas with 5 watts in 5 minutes
1000 lpm @ 5 watts [ not exact numbers but seemingly rediculous claims]
Question
Can Magnetolysis cause cavitation??
Get busy boys and Girls,as Chris said "This is a lot easier than you think".
Chet
Cavitation
Suddenly the possibilities seem so logical !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06iCfowinUM
Me thinks we''ll be learning an awful lot this winter !
Or summer depending on which side of the rock you live on!!
Chet
I am including experiments that are relevant to Cavitation also.
From iquant,
Made my hair stand up!! turned me into one big goose bump!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR0YBAhY2PQ
Chet
Another contribution from iquant
Cavitation gets it done!!
Have a look at the following paper when you get some time.
Ultrasonically-excited electrolysis Experiments at Energetics
Technologies:
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DardikIultrasonic.pdf
Experimental results and discussion of 3 electrolysis cells with built in ultrasonic transmitters to induce cavitation in the electrolyte.
A significant amount of excess heat was generated and a very large COP was obtained in several experiments.
Largest excess power: 34 watts
Largest excess energy: 3.5MJ
Largest COP: 3000%
Longest duration of excess heat in a single experiment: 40 days
Well, well, well
A surprise "TOP Shelf" entry into the fray!!
"AllCanadian "
This is VERY COOL!!
Post from here
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=399.msg6577;topicseen#msg6577
Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator
« Reply #99 on: Today at 16:32:53 »
@FarrahDay
Quote
At this stage I'm honestly unsure as to whether or not the bubbles in Mookie's viideo are simply pockets of water vapour that evolve due to the breaking of the water tension which is creating low pressure areas within the liquid, but it does seem rather odd that a certain threshold needs to be reached before this happens.
Allcanadian
Responce,
Cavitation would certainly go someway to explaining a lot of past claims, but it still remains to be shown that the gases are hydrogen and oxygen or free radicals rather than just bubbles of water vapour.
I would agree, the only facts we have at the moment is the fact that we have none as such I have put a few other builds on hold and begun putting this device together as we speak. I seem to have this compulsive and somewhat childish need to build damn near everything I am uncertain about which keeps me on my toes I guess. Im not entirely sure cavitation is occuring here but we will know one way or another soon enough.
Regards
AC
Farrah seems to agree with iquants observation in this vid
Farrah, reposts iquant [with no comment]
What struck a chord with me from viewing the experiment videos a few times was the effect on the butane flame between:
Steam and Cold Fog:
The Steam / mister experiments would extinguish the butane torch but the
ultrasonic transducer generated cold fog would grow the flame.
about 3:00 into http://www.youtube.com/user/fastimports3#p/u/8/z8ck7ZerFJ4
I'm never quite sure what I'm supposed to be watching in these videos and quickly tire of trying to decipher them. Might as well reproduce the experiments myself and get a first hand take on things.
Yet another replicator sharpens an Axe to throw at the Gate!
Szaxx from here,
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=399.msg6577;topicseen#msg6577
Quote:
Hi,
I do have some NaOH crystals but not much. This is worth investigating, the chemistry you suggested would hardly explode in my face as the cavitation spheres would be very small im sure, but safety is always a worthwhile action, just incase..... lol.
The unit has been immersed for some time in a solution and the board is a little, well missing, so I'll change all the relevant parts on its driver and output, then the experiment will begin soon.
Steve.
Here's an OU claim to look at when you get a chance!
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From Zerofossilfuel
Quote:
Okay boys and girls. Be watching for my next YouTube video, or visit my Justin.tv channel to check out recorded videos there of some of the fun I had Sunday with my B&S test stand. Sent the following Tweet this morning...
QuoteI DID IT!!! My >2:1 eff ROI held true. With my 5.9 MMW Batt-Cell & 48% ttl pwr conv eff, POSTED NET GAIN TTL SYS EFFICIENCY!!! Plz retweet!
That's correct, folks. Documented, verifiable, repeatable, peer reviewable, honest to goodness NET GAINS!!!
More live tests tonight. Speadsheets of the collected data and edited videos to follow.
Cheers!
Z
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I asked for links
Chet
From "Yaro"
Here is my effort at replicating Mookie's experiment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6OIcjNl66E
12V, 6A. The electromagnet was set at 70V and it pulled 0.66 amps.
I used six 4 inch pizza cutters I bought from The Dollar store.
My observations:
The higher the amp draw the better the production.
I won't call it an avalanche. Accelerated production is a better term.
The container wall has to be thin. I tried a 3/8 " thick Plexiglass and it did not work.