Hey people,
I appreciate being allowed to post here as I've been thrown out of some lists that don't like ideas being challenged or questioned. I have been looking for quality proof of free energy claims for 9 years now and offer a $10,000 prize for undeniable proof at:
www.phact.org/e/freetest.html
I offer a number of pages with reason to be particularly skeptical of many of the following claims:
Dennis Lee
www.phact.org/e/dennis.html
GWE
www.phact.org/e/z/GWE.htm
Bearden
www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm
Lutec.
www.phact.org/e/z/lutec.pdf
Tilley
www.phact.org/e/z/tilley.htm
My general list of the larger free energy claimants in the last few centuries is found at
www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html
I have generally found that people making money promoting general free energy claims don't want people to hear my warnings about all the con men out there. I'm a volunteer, but have been accused of being hired by big oil or the CIA or whatever - there is a lot of conspiracy theory among FE believers. I get about 1 new claimant a week trying to assure me he will soon have real proof. I would much rather become convinced a given idea really works and then set about trying to bring it out. But I'm not going to lower my standards of truth just to have a far more significant cause than my minor one of offering the skeptical voice.
eric krieg
Hi Eric.
For a working over-unity demonstration build the circuit described at
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/atep1.htm
Of course, as it stands, it has no practical use whatsoever.
It just adds 1 joule to a 5 joule pulse.
But it does demonstrate the existance of the the elusive Zero Point Energy, and it gives us the motivation to try and pursue it.
Regards
Joseph Gatt
I would like to believe your Bearden device works. To the best of my knowledge, the Naudin site is censored to erase information from people who find error's in Bearden's claims or errors in claims of those who say they have found MEG OU. I offer info on bearden at
www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm
You referenced a book by Bearden, "the final secret of free energy" - it came out 10 years ago, should it not be fair to expect that someone like you would have used these final secrets to have made at least a device that self runs by now? I have been seeing delaying excuses for about 10 years now from free energy claimants - I have a feeling that in my remaining maybe 40 more years (statistically speaking) I will keep hearing the same "very soon" estimates.
still, I wish you the best - I rarely have any criticism of tinkerers like you = only with those who sell you false hopes. Let me know if/when you have something that even runs its self.
eric krieg
Eric,
I believe that we need a few skeptic's out there to keep people on their guard against all the scams. I also believe however, that a few of the people on your lists, have been well meaning people but, that when their devices/technologies were found to be simply novel in nature, they were immediately written up as frauds and charletons. We need both sides to even the scales Eric, but we must also be careful that we do not cause good people harm that are undeserving of the kind of shame that some of these well meaning people receive. I have a bit of personal experience in these matters, as I know how people rush to conclussions on both sides before knowing the entire story. In fact, that is how I came to be so involved with this all to begin with. I personally welcome both sides of the argument because I believe that most people, deep down inside, only want to know the whole truth, and that without skeptic's in our midst, people would simply de-volve into nothing more than sheep for the slaughter so-to-speak. When the skeptic's are finally convinced then we will all know that we have something. Keep up the good work!
Best Regards,
J.D.
Ok Eric.
I understand your position, mainly because I tend to be sceptical myself. In fact, I was half expecting you to point out some quirk related to the TEP circuit. But it seems to me that you're not too keen on the experimental side. Me, on the hand, I prefer to dismiss options by trying them out. So I still have a lot of experimenting to do.
I agree with your views about Bearden. I think he's out of touch with reality.
As for getting older without witnessing any significant improvements, all I can say is, I hope I won't disappoint you.
Regards
Joe Gatt
wow and i thought i was the only one who thought bearden was a nut!
really I dont trust anything that comes out of that guy, he has his own adgenda and has been know to spat out allot of misinformation for whaterver reason he has.
I do beleive in almost free energy. I say almost free because it still takes work from somewhere even if the work is only 10% of the produced energy it still doesnt constitute as 100% free. call it discounted if you will :)
When most of us speak of 'FREE ENERGY' many are talking about getting energy from some previously uknown source such as Zero Point Energy or Ether Energy. Once the mechanics are known of how to use this energy then we'll quickly realize that it is free in the same sense oil is free energy. Also wind, sunlight, biomass, wood, coal, hydro, ocean waves, gravity, etc. are free energy sources.
For every energy harnessing devise there is an energy source. What's important is whether there needs to be a middle-man between the source and the end user. Other aspects are initial and on-going costs of production, along with dependability and availability.
An ideal device would be something that gains unending perpetual energy from a steady free source like ZPE or gravity.
Jim_Mich
Quote from: Jim_Mich on April 22, 2005, 09:02:41 AM
An ideal device would be something that gains unending perpetual energy from a steady free source like ZPE or gravity.
Actually the best source would be from ambient heat. Such a device at room temperature or any temperature would merely
move energy. This would be great for global warming since it would not create any energy from any potential energy source and heat up the world. If everyone had unlimited free energy then global warming would be far far far more dangerous than it apparently is becoming.
Yet, don't get me wrong. I for one would be far more than happy to have any free energy regardless from ZPE as long as it's safe. I am just suggesting that free energy from ambient heat is the best option for our planet.
Sincerely,
Paul
Yes, Paul you are right, free energy from surrounding heat is a closed circle process,
where you just locally cool down the environment and when you use the produced
energy you just dissipate then again, so there is again heat produced.
So this would be the best clean cycle to get the energy and doesn?t have any
negative side effects.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: erickrieg on April 09, 2005, 10:36:59 PM
I would like to believe your Bearden device works.? ?To the best of my knowledge, the Naudin site is censored to erase information from people who find error's in Bearden's claims........
What is your evidence for this statement?
I glanced at your site:
http://www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm
and it appears to me to be a strange patchwork of remarks from
people here and people there whose reputations and track record
are not made clear.
Quote from: Paul-R on April 24, 2005, 10:10:16 AM
Quote from: erickrieg on April 09, 2005, 10:36:59 PM
I would like to believe your Bearden device works. To the best of my knowledge, the Naudin site is censored to erase information from people who find error's in Bearden's claims........
What is your evidence for this statement?
I glanced at your site:
http://www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm
and it appears to me to be a strange patchwork of remarks from
people here and people there whose reputations and track record
are not made clear.
I agree that the heat energy all around us is real energy - but it is not generally viable to harness due to the 2nd law of thermo (many claim it can be violated, but I seriously doubt that). I understand the claim of ZPE - maybe it is energy that holds stuff together, but I see mater as being very stable. I would expect that there would be a good way to harness fusion power before one could really harness ZPE.
I honestly feel that people going to Bearden conferences are just all deluding themselves. I've studied pretty advanced math and can't follow his math - so I feel quite sure people saying they follow it are deluding themselves. It's like the emporor's new physics. I know a fellow who says the MEG design was stolen. Bearden has faked credentials and vouched for kooks like Newman. To the best of my knowledge, the MEG builder effort has not had any positive results and some of the discussion forums kick out people who ask too many questions. One thing people have to ask about Bearden and free energy is"if Bearden published a book called, 'the final secret of free energy' 10 years ago, then why has no one actually done it?". If you can find anyone who really understands the newman theory (that I think is just jibberish) enough to explain it to me over the phone, let me know.
Quote from: erickrieg on April 29, 2005, 09:12:30 PM
Quote from: Paul-R on April 24, 2005, 10:10:16 AM
Quote from: erickrieg on April 09, 2005, 10:36:59 PM
I would like to believe your Bearden device works. To the best of my knowledge, the Naudin site is censored to erase information from people who find error's in Bearden's claims........
What is your evidence for this statement?
I glanced at your site:
http://www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm
and it appears to me to be a strange patchwork of remarks from
people here and people there whose reputations and track record
are not made clear.
I agree that the heat energy all around us is real energy - but it is not generally viable to harness due to the 2nd law of thermo (many claim it can be violated, but I seriously doubt that). I understand the claim of ZPE - maybe it is energy that holds stuff together, but I see mater as being very stable. I would expect that there would be a good way to harness fusion power before one could really harness ZPE.
I honestly feel that people going to Bearden conferences are just all deluding themselves. I've studied pretty advanced math and can't follow his math - so I feel quite sure people saying they follow it are deluding themselves. It's like the emporor's new physics. I know a fellow who says the MEG design was stolen. Bearden has faked credentials and vouched for kooks like Newman. To the best of my knowledge, the MEG builder effort has not had any positive results and some of the discussion forums kick out people who ask too many questions. One thing people have to ask about Bearden and free energy is"if Bearden published a book called, 'the final secret of free energy' 10 years ago, then why has no one actually done it?". If you can find anyone who really understands the newman theory (that I think is just jibberish) enough to explain it to me over the phone, let me know.
You haven't answered my question. What is the basis for your
view that JLN censors?
Paul.
"to think to give a serious statement/testat":
there is a cafe,with an esplanade and ten tables and fourty chairs.
there are sitting thirty people,in a calm atmosphere.
suddenly,an accident with two cars in front off them.
how many different color-definitions of the two cars,carmodels,people-inside and other indizes you will find later in the official accident-protocoll?
"in dubio pro reo !"
Quote from: lanca on May 31, 2005, 09:42:22 PM
"to think to give a serious statement/testat":
there is a cafe,with an esplanade and ten tables and fourty chairs.
there are sitting thirty people,in a calm atmosphere.
suddenly,an accident with two cars in front off them.
how many different color-definitions of the two cars,carmodels,people-inside and other indizes you will find later in the official accident-protocoll??
"in dubio pro reo !"
To claim something functions that never works............
To claim to have something that everyone wants, but noone ever wants it..........
To claim to be able to do something that never gets done...........
To endlessly pontificate in pseudo-aura of grandeur............
*Res Ipsa Loquitor*
Just to set the record straight... my TEP replication attempt did NOT achieve over-unity. I've just realised I had made a mistake in the math as I processed the readings obtained. ZPE is looking more distant now than it ever was. I must concede, Eric, you were right after all.? I now think that the best way to try to achive over-unity is to utilise ambient thermal energy.
Regards
Joseph.
Eric
I have replicated Stan Meyers WFC ,and claim >300% overunity,how does that grab you?
Also in the past looked at some of your examples of failed replications ,you have to be a joke.
You really don`t know your science.
Best Regards Dave L.
@Dave L.
Can you please post a few pics and test results of your WFC ?
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: Jim_Mich on April 22, 2005, 09:02:41 AM
When most of us speak of 'FREE ENERGY' many are talking about getting energy from some previously uknown source such as Zero Point Energy or Ether Energy. Once the mechanics are known of how to use this energy then we'll quickly realize that it is free in the same sense oil is free energy. Also wind, sunlight, biomass, wood, coal, hydro, ocean waves, gravity, etc. are free energy sources.
For every energy harnessing devise there is an energy source. What's important is whether there needs to be a middle-man between the source and the end user. Other aspects are initial and on-going costs of production, along with dependability and availability.
An ideal device would be something that gains unending perpetual energy from a steady free source like ZPE or gravity.
Jim_Mich
I would prefer to introduce a more practical definition of what's "free" in "free energy"--making use of the chemical/mechanical actions that Mom Nature herself does all the time without our help or interference. Mom Nature does what she does for you, you do a little bit yourself and voila, it's yours for the cost of your bothering to harness it.
For example: when the sun shines, it heats up stuff. Heat up water to vapor in the presence of iron and you WILL get hydrogen + rust. No electrolysis involved. Are you going to complain about the energy it takes to get iron? It's still cheaper than drilling thru rock to get oil.
Eric
Your $10,000.00 is not worth it. When you read the rules you place on the inventer it is impossable. Most inventers are small time, in other words they just do not have the money to build such a machine that you require for this prize. I have no dought no one has collected it. Your requirements are to great and your prize money is to small.
I really think you need to get a life.
Later,,,,JackH
Quote from: JackH on May 14, 2006, 01:12:32 AM
When you read the rules you place on the inventer it is impossable. Most inventers are small time, in other words they just do not have the money to build such a machine that you require for this prize.
If an inventor can't build a device that will fit within Eric's size constraints, that will produce usable power, then the invention either isn't "free energy", or it isn't economically feasible.
It isn't sufficient to be able to display overunity - you also have to be able to make a device to harness this energy, that costs less than other commonly available alternative energy devices, such as windmills.
BTW, Eric, you have a few spelling mistakes on your free energy contest page - for example "I would love their to be FE" - should be "there", not "their".
I would say we won't have to be very concerned about Eric having to pay off on his offer. With all of the protections on Eric's side and the requirements protecting Eric's side, and the carrot being offered so tiny, I don't think that Eric will ever see an overunity device even if it did meet his power output requirements.
While it is easy to understand that Eric would want to protect himself from having to pay off to a scam (of which there are many, unfortunately), I think that he would be better off to 'scout out' or prescreen the device to see if it is real first, then hold out the carrot while relaxing his rigid regulations to allow for a real invention that may be on a smaller scale that just is not highly developed enough yet to be able to produce the power output requirement that is listed in his original rigid regulations. Of course Eric would have to sign a non-disclosure agreement (without a time limit) to protect the inventor before seeing the device.
Eric Krieg you are nothing but a sad clown..
While you are at it ask that scumbag Randi what happened to the rabbitt that fell out of his hat.
Jack H is right, you really need to get a life.
What a joke you are.
truth is, I would love to be convinced any of this stuff is real and I would love to pay out my $10,000, because my net worth would then shoot up a lot more than 10k. think about it, the vast majority of businesses (and all the ones I invest in) CONSUME energy, many would be instantly profitable if energy could be free.
Eric,
Just assume for a minute that free energy devices are real and that you developed one. Would you try to take it to market or sit on it for yourself and you family? Now if you tried to take it to market; think about the powerful people that you would be hurting. Consider Exxon, BP as some energy companies. You would also be killing entire country's economies which are based on energy export. You would also be hurting a large source of government revenue which is tacked on to your energy bills. You would also be putting thousands or millions of people out of work till they can find a new purpose. Do you think they (all these factions) would just stand by and play by the rules to slow you down? Do you think you can slip under their radar screens? Have you read about how big corporate espionage is? Do you have any idea about the size of the intelligence divisions in these corporations? Think about the politicians which are bought off. There are a thousand ways to put a stop to you that don't even include violence. My point is this. Don't be so quick to make the assumption that there is no such thing as a free energy device that is in operation right now because they haven't come to collect your prize money or any other prizes out there. Think about what they could be sacrificing to share these ideas for several thousand dollars. Doesn't sound like a fair trade when I can imagine the ways I could be gotten to.
Chad
Hello Eric,
I've always considered your offer as gimmicky as the free energy believers you're challenging. You have the initially offer:
- win over $10,000 for real proof of free energy (or a $2000 commission for referring me to a winner)
Then in the fine print you mention:
- the device must put out at least 1.5kW of electrical produced resistive heat energy at least 90% of a 24-hour window of time. Eric shall provide the resistive loads and power measuring.
A continuous energy density of ? watt/mile
3 could provide real proof of free power, but regardless of the density your prize for the proof wouldn't give you license (as you've suggested in this thread) to use it to increase your net worth.
Bessler, mib
Quotetruth is, I would love to be convinced any of this stuff is real and I would love to pay out my $10,000, because my net worth would then shoot up a lot more than 10k. think about it, the vast majority of businesses (and all the ones I invest in) CONSUME energy, many would be instantly profitable if energy could be free
think about it.
I don't mean it to be a gimmick, I mean to put my money where my mouth is. I am willing to negotiate a lower power level. I'm even open to a no money validation of a self runner. I tried to sign up to be a Steorn witness (as more time goes by, I think it more likely the whole thing is a lie and that there probably are no witnesses). I am well aware that there is a lot of solar energy all around us and have always recommended taking advantage of that. I don't expect anyone ever to win the prize - certainly not over balanced wheels. But I do hold out hope that break throughs in real science and real engineering can one day allow us to wean ourselves off the poison fuel that has us giving trillions to countries that hate us for poison that kills us and over heats the planet.
Hello Eric,
I'm not sure what real science or real engineering is but I think a real scientist looks for answers where they are and isn't satisfied with any answer. I try to find the most exact answerI can in hopes it matches reality as well as it can. A perfect fit is only possible when you challenge the religious dogma both sides have.
If there is any electrical phenomena we could call free energy then I think an analysis of it would describe the method to engineer a mechanical equivalent using gravity. I think the converse is equally true.
I'm very certain if the idea of ?free energy? exists where I'm looking for it, chapters of physics texts will have to be rewritten. A lot of people would be surprised but I wouldn't. My opinion:
- There exists a model within creation of creation.
... is purely philosophical. That's what drives my search.
Thank you for your answer.
I don't know why anyone speaks of FREE ENERGY.
There is no such thing, there never will be. As proof I furnish a submission to the Czeck government in 1925 talking about taxes on waterwheels according to the amount of horsepower produced. As far as I know the bill was passed. Fact is there was such a tax in place.
Sorry the document is in German.
http://www.senat.cz/zajimavosti/tisky/2vo/tisky/T0014_01.htm
Hans von Lieven
Quote from: erickrieg on January 12, 2008, 04:59:33 PM
... I don't expect anyone ever to win the prize -
Eric, you are a time wasting bigot. you are not committed to
discovering truth, but to confirm your comfortable version of
it.
Get a life.
We all have biases.
Eric,
Hans makes an excellent point:
I don't know why anyone speaks of FREE ENERGY.
and Clara Listensprechen touched on it earlier. Any form of energy has a cause external to the system that captures it. There are no examples otherwise as far as I know.
The fundamental principle of any attempt to create energy has to begin with an understanding of the cause. Once the cause is realized the question becomes, 'how can you manage the cause to create energy?'
If you would be willing, Eric, I would like to hold you to the emboldened parts of your quote.
I'm no Tesla but I'll end with a story from him. He explained an idea to a professor and the professor explained to Tesla "it's impossible." Tesla went on to get several patents on the idea and today we power our houses with it.
The moral is that sometimes the student becomes the teacher.
Bessler
mib HQ
Quote from: erickrieg on January 12, 2008, 04:59:33 PM. . .
I am willing to negotiate a lower power level. . . .
I don't expect anyone ever to win the prize - certainly not over balanced wheels. . . .
Guess I wlll be looking for this 10,000 prize within a few months.
With my Device capable of charging itself while genereating electricity.
my Test Video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws3Uf-RQOhM
official sample is currently been built...updates will be here:
http://www.headgone.net/driveandcharge/
FREE ENERGY IS THE MOST SIMPLE SECRET,,, THAT I WILL NOW EXPOSE,,,,
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