Has anyone come across this design posted today at Peswiki ???
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor (http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor)
Seems it would be easy to replicate ??? Much easier than the Torbay design.
Does anyone here have any knowledge of this design?
this is really nice. :)
Really I think this motor will beautifully work !
Well done ! Now I again have more feelings,
that a magnet helped gravity motor will work.
Okay, the output willbe pretty low also from bigger unity,only in the
10 Watts range maximum with also 10 meter diameter ring motors,
but at least we will have perpetual motion which could at least
pump some water in desert or something simular...
This will not run your car, but it could help
in powering your small power appliacnces or charge battery banks
all day and night long !
Well done !
Regards, Stefan.
Quote from: hartiberlin on April 26, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
Really I think this motor will beautifully work !
Well done ! Now I again have more feelings,
that a magnet helped gravity motor will work.
Okay, the output willbe pretty low also from bigger unity,only in the
10 Watts range maximum with also 10 meter diameter ring motors,
but at least we will have perpetual motion which could at least
pump some water in desert or something simular...
This will not run your car, but it could help
in powering your small power appliacnces or charge battery banks
all day and night long !
Well done ! Regards, Stefan.
Does seem that conceptually it could work as a "proof of concept".
Seems it would also be easy and inexpensive to prototype.
Everything causing frictions needs to be carefully done-up, and, in working
out the geometry of it all, one does need to concentrate on making sure the
right-side is heavier (and over-balanced).
From the drawings, I'm not sure that the 8 spokes are best in causing an
over-balance, perhaps 5 would be better.
You comment about 10 meters, is interesting...
I think the issue is creating "weight & torgue", and that can be done on a
small scale with heavy magnets.
Either way, seems it would be much simpler to implement than the Torbay
device, as there are less "unknowns" // and the logic of it all is more straight-
forward.
Even if one can just get this to work on a small-scale // then one can
always think through improvements.
No this motor will not work.
Draw a line through the middle of the fixed steel rim. on the right hand side, the magnet weights are falling, there are 3. On the left hand side , the magnet weights are being lifted, there are 5. Think about it. for every magnet that reaches the bottom of the steel rim, it has to be lifted again to the top. the magnets are not assisting in this.
The magnets aren't providing any power at all. they just hold themselves/weight to the steel rim. a similar arrangement could be built without the rolling magnets, using some kind of track to keep the weights attached to the steel rim.
In any case, it's no different from 100,s of other gravity motors. It won't turn.
Quote from: treb79 on April 27, 2006, 10:44:21 AM
No this motor will not work.
Draw a line through the middle of the fixed steel rim. on the right hand side, the magnet weights are falling, there are 3. On the left hand side , the magnet weights are being lifted, there are 5. Think about it. for every magnet that reaches the bottom of the steel rim, it has to be lifted again to the top. the magnets are not assisting in this.
The magnets aren't providing any power at all. they just hold themselves/weight to the steel rim. a similar arrangement could be built without the rolling magnets, using some kind of track to keep the weights attached to the steel rim.
In any case, it's no different from 100,s of other gravity motors. It won't turn.
You might be right, question being if the off-center right-side is heavier to produce the force
needed to lift the left side portion...
I too am looking at this as being an issue that might not allow it to work.
Quote from: treb79 on April 27, 2006, 10:44:21 AM
No this motor will not work.
Draw a line through the middle of the fixed steel rim. on the right hand side, the magnet weights are falling, there are 3. On the left hand side , the magnet weights are being lifted, there are 5. Think about it. for every magnet that reaches the bottom of the steel rim, it has to be lifted again to the top. the magnets are not assisting in this.
The magnets aren't providing any power at all. they just hold themselves/weight to the steel rim. a similar arrangement could be built without the rolling magnets, using some kind of track to keep the weights attached to the steel rim.
In any case, it's no different from 100,s of other gravity motors. It won't turn.
Sorry to say, but you're wrong. Study the pictures again and you will see de magenets spin arounf de off-centre axis and not the rim they are attracted to. So there are 3 magnets going down, 3 magnets going up (but are close to the axis!), one all the way down and one all the way up.
So, it might work as claimed.
regards,
Dutchy
QuoteSorry to say, but you're wrong. Study the pictures again and you will see de magenets spin arounf de off-centre axis and not the rim they are attracted to. So there are 3 magnets going down, 3 magnets going up (but are close to the axis!), one all the way down and one all the way up.
So, it might work as claimed.
regards,
Dutchy
No, sorry to say but you're wrong. The magnets do spin around the steel rim, the magnets are always attached to the steel rim therefore they spin around the steel rim. Do as I say, and draw a line vertically through the centre of the fixed steel rim, on the left hand side of the line you have drawn, there are five magnets all being lifted, until they reach the twelve o'clock position on the steel rim, on the right hand side there are only three magnets falling, every thing will balance out, the extra leverage the three magnets falling have, will be balanced by the five magnets needing to be lifted.
anyway don't take my word for it, build it, and watch it spin for ever...... or perhaps not.
Hello everybody
IMHO this device is very simple (but not so simple to build) and very clever.
It might work and anyway, deserve more pratical researchs and, perhaps, less maths.
Did you try the http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor (http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor)
proposal experiment with an empty steel coffee can ?
I did it with a whiskey 'can' (I do not drink coffee :))) and a bunch of few circular weak ceramic magnets.
It works.
Any non permanently unbalanced wheel turns (with a non 'stalling' axle, of course).
Can we reason about this device with a mere *static* picture?
This apparatus is intented to move. Is it not?
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Hi, folks
What about this Andy_Motor animation by Eric Vogels: http://fdp.nu/AndyMotor/default.asp (http://fdp.nu/AndyMotor/default.asp)
Of course, it *proves* nothing ...
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Hi All,
New here, been reading about it. I think it will work but it has to be huge or the torque would probably be insufficient to produce any usuable energy. If too small, the friction as mentioned will render it as for display only. Can see but cannot use.
What about this Andy_Motor animation by Eric Vogels: http://fdp.nu/AndyMotor/default.asp
I don't see why this arrangement of magnets should move perpetually.
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I'm sorry to say that the small amount of torque that can be had with the off center magnets will not be enough to overcome the rolling resistance of the mechanism. But stuff like this is fun to build anyway. ;D
Have a read of this before you build it, it could save you time and money. :)
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/GravityMotors/Andy/Andy_Motor_wont_work_proof.pdf (http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/GravityMotors/Andy/Andy_Motor_wont_work_proof.pdf)
Hi guys
A question to NerzhtDishmal
You claim , you have built working replica of
Andy motor -whiskey can type- and i would
like to know if the rotor of your replica really
did, say, 100 revolutions without any help.
thank you for your answer.
@kadora
I did
*not* claim such things....
What I wrote was :
QuoteDid you try the http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor (http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor)
proposal experiment with an empty steel coffee can ?
I did it with a whiskey 'can' (I do not drink coffee )) and a bunch of few circular weak ceramic magnets.
It works.
At this url: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor (http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor)
you can read:
QuoteA lot of people now think I am real crazy but this does work.
As a simple demonstration take a roll of heavy powerfull ring magnets and wind a layer of tape around them so they dont chip. You now have a makeshift wheel.
Now take any large empty steel coffee can you have lying around and "stick" the roll of magnets near the top or 12 oclock position and let it loose. Notice it does not fall straight down as it is attracted to the sides of the can. But it
will roll like there is no stopping down the sides and to the bottom of the can
---and then some more ---because of gathered enertia. That roll ( wheel) of
magnets will do the same thing inside a 55 gallon drum if you think about scaling up.
SORRY NERZHDISHUAL
I thought you succesfully replicated
that motor and I intended to ask
you a few questions.
As treb79 said - it will not work for the exact reason given. it couldn't be expalined any simpler. Similar designs have been built in the past - i don't see why the thing will decie to spin instead of just rest at equilibrium. I woulnt waste my time building it.