Hi all
I need help in finding the coil in this image and how it relates to which patent of Nikola Tesla.
I could not find the patent, web page or literature where I found it and saved it to my computer.
I couldn't find it in the search as I don't know which patent it comes from.
The closest I could find is the 512,340 patent which is sort of the same coil but not exactly.
I think it might be related to some of the projects we are experimenting with when it comes to coils so I thought other people might be interested in seeing this coil also.
Hi all
The more I look at that picture the more I see possibilities in ongoing projects on this and other forums.
Right now I can only act as an armchair theorist because I don't have access to materials to make it happen just yet, but there are endless possibilities with this coil arrangement.
Someone said in the thread on the "Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze" thread http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7679.msg261494#new that we need to pay attention to what Cosmo was saying.
One of the Cosmo replies I read somewhere mentioned in another forum was that "It's like a bifilar coil, sort of..."
Well this is the reason I'm posting this coil image as I think it hasn't been explored before. If it has please let me know by posting a link to other people that have implemented this type of coil in their experiment.
Regards,
Paul
it seems that its a good source of current hmmmm.
i think we can make a sort of a triode something like this hmmm.
good find. :)
It is a bifi coil, in series as Tesla suggests. He describes it as having greater voltage potential difference between each adjacent windings. If the total of 20 turns had 20v potential across it, the potential between adjacent windings would be 10v, instead of a normal 20 turn coil with 20v across it, as there would be only 1v difference between adjacent windings. I would say the circuit above demonstrates that the coil is a cap and coil combined without and external cap in the circuit, as we have seen many times.
Mags
This design will help the source in supplying energy to the load.
its like opening first the door of energy.
This is good hmmm;
@Goat
It's here
http://www.tfcbooks.com/mall/more/351ntl.htm
Garry
@ all
Thank you for your comments.
I'm not sure how to use this type of coil other than what is pictured in the diagram as it doesn't fit the normal coil and capacitor combination when it comes to LC Resonance Frequency Calculators.
I guess it's a matter of experimenting by trial and error to see the behavior of such a coil.
Regards,
Paul
@ Anyone
I'm still searching for a some answers that haven't been answered yet.
How does this circuit work?
I mean, assuming that "G" in the above diagram is the generator then how does "G" produce enough electricity to break down the spark gap when it isn't a conventional low voltage closed circuit?
If you look at the left side of "G" it's going to one side of the circuit but the right side of "G" is going to the spark gap.
How much voltage does "G" need to produce to jump the spark gap? In other words, the spark gap turns on the switch, right?
If you were to build this circuit then in my mind you need at least enough voltage to cross a spark gap.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
PS: Is there a way to run this coil in a program such as FEMM?
Regards,
Paul
@ All
If we make an electronic high voltage i/p into this circuit how can we prevent (isolate) it from the spark gap. Is there a way to generate a high voltage without damaging the input source?
Regards,
Paul
Hey Goat
If you look at the page referred to above that shows the image you put up, notice the other circuit that has a single coil but with a cap included. Well your circuit doesnt need the cap because the bifi coil in series contains the capacitance internally.
What I would guess is happening, when the source reaches a voltage enough to cross the gap, it loads up the coil/cap and it oscillates down into the load(thin looking tube, flouresent?)
Just a resonator kicked by the spark gap discharge. Maybe ou, dunno
Mags
Maybe its from colorado springs notes
Mags
Ok so how can we implement this circuit using modern day electronics without blowing the input circuit when the source reaches a voltage high enough to cross the gap?
Edit: @ Magluvin
Do you think it would be safe to use a NST to drive this circuit without any damage to it if it were used as the "G" in the schematic above?
Regards,
Paul
Hey Goat
Nst? refresh me.
I would have to say that the source could be a cap charged up to gap breakdown voltage. The gen probably just represents a dc source of high tension.
I would have to go over the book to see if this is where I had seen it to get a full description.
Mags
@ Mags
Thanks for the reply and sorry for the confusion, the NST in this instance would be a 12 Volt DC "Neon Sign Transformer" (NST) driving the circuit.
Do you think it could work or would the "NST" be harmed by the above circuit is what I meant. How can we isolate the "NST" from being harmed by the spark gap is what I'm getting at.
Regards,
Paul
Sorry Goat, had some family drama the past couple days.
Nst can work. I think in the drawing, the source is dc. In your case I would assume ac, so you need a diode. In this circuit, I will also assume that the source needs to produce enough voltage to cross the gap. So the gap will have to be adjusted to meet the nst voltage capability.
In this circuit we are just setting the pendulum in motion and it delivers to the load while oscillating.
Maybe while the oscillator is going, it creates a timely charge on the oscillator side of the spark gap because the internal coil capacitance needs to charge also in order for the gap to snap. Even if you try it without a diode, I dont think it will hurt the transformer, just dont fully short out the transformers outputs or have the gap too close as to seemingly produce continuous current. Neon tubes have resistance, and I think the tube would draw less current than just having the output arc continuously. The circuit looks as though it will provide its own timing and give the nst a chance to breath in between blasts. =]
Mags
Thanks Mags.
I already looked and couldn't find any 12 V NST to play with yet but when I do I will surely follow your advice, very much appreciated.
Edit: Mags would you mind re-posting the circuit with the diode in the circuit, I'm having trouble visualizing it in the above diagram.
Regards,
Paul