No fuel, no input, no exhaust, runs cool, high horsepower and torque, on sealed

[mscoffman]

Update on Papp engine from PES. http://pesn.com/2010/03/03/9501621_PlasmERG_named_EE-Times_ACE-Award_finalist/

Also, check out their web site, this is getting interesting. http://plasmerg.com/about.html

How it works: 
http://pesn.com/2009/07/18/9501554_Plasma_Transition_Process_motor_system/

Regards, Larry

@All

I just had an idea on this topic that looks like it would work...

Combine The Plasma Motor design with a
Free Piston Engine design.  Such as:

http://freepistonpower.com/Default.aspx

The Plasma Motor apparently works via "gas" pressure on pistons,
so it should work. The free piston engine itself has electronics the
size of the motor, so the control complexity of combined device could
be fairly high, even though it would not need exhaust valve controls.

Hopefully, they wouldn't attempt this as a first project.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[sparks]

   The explosion engine is stupid.  First you have to compress the inputted gasses.  Energy out the window right from the first revolution.  Then you burn some fuel to heat the air enough to expand more than you compressed it.  Air doesnt expand worth a krap for the amount of thermal energy involved.  Then the expanding gas pushes a piston only one way while the rest of the expansion is wasted loosening headbolts gaskets vibration through everything and is pissed away through the radiation and exhaust system.  DUMB DUMB and DUMBER,  We should have stuck with the horses they are much better designed machines.  First off you need a spherical expansion and contraction container.  Then you need to implode the gas mixture to cause a vacuum situation.  Then atmospheric pressure rushes into the reaction vessel through a turbine attached to the load.  The liquid formed by the implosion accumulates at the bottom of the sphere and when reaching a sensed level is allowed to be drained out during input of the atmospheric pressure.  The  reaction is endothermic and will draw energy from ambient conditions.  As long as it is warmer than o degrees kelvin we should be good to go.  Two gasses I can think of right off the top of my head are oxgen and nitrogen.  They go in get changed to nitrates liquid and we are running engines on air.  The exhaust will need to be contained and discharged to suitable microrganism farms where the nitrates will be turned back into nitrogen and oxygen.  What species do you think ripped the oxygen out of dead plants.  Fucking microrganisms that piss poison.  Now we get to breath microrganism piss.  Fucking idiots.

[LarryC]

   The explosion engine is stupid.  First you have to compress the inputted gasses.  Energy out the window right from the first revolution.  Then you burn some fuel to heat the air enough to expand more than you compressed it.  Air doesnt expand worth a krap for the amount of thermal energy involved.  Then the expanding gas pushes a piston only one way while the rest of the expansion is wasted loosening headbolts gaskets vibration through everything and is pissed away through the radiation and exhaust system.  DUMB DUMB and DUMBER,  We should have stuck with the horses they are much better designed machines.  First off you need a spherical expansion and contraction container.  Then you need to implode the gas mixture to cause a vacuum situation.  Then atmospheric pressure rushes into the reaction vessel through a turbine attached to the load.  The liquid formed by the implosion accumulates at the bottom of the sphere and when reaching a sensed level is allowed to be drained out during input of the atmospheric pressure.  The  reaction is endothermic and will draw energy from ambient conditions.  As long as it is warmer than o degrees kelvin we should be good to go.  Two gasses I can think of right off the top of my head are oxgen and nitrogen.  They go in get changed to nitrates liquid and we are running engines on air.  The exhaust will need to be contained and discharged to suitable microrganism farms where the nitrates will be turned back into nitrogen and oxygen.  What species do you think ripped the oxygen out of dead plants.  Fucking microrganisms that piss poison.  Now we get to breath microrganism piss.  Fucking idiots.

Are you talking about the Nobel gas engine? Did you read this article? http://pesn.com/2009/07/18/9501554_Plasma_Transition_Process_motor_system/

"Imagine an engine that could run on very small quantities of an abundant noble (inert) gas mixture using a process that turns the gas to plasma with each cycle of the engine, like live steam power, yet it is sealed, creating no pollution and minimal noise. Now, imagine driving your car, day to day for a year on less than $50 for fuel."

Regards, Larry

[sparks]

  @larry ct

   This isnt quite what I conceived.  The engine I describe does not expand the gas in a thermal event.  There is a phase change whereby the gases are condensed into liquid form and therefore occupy less space.  Instead of pressure being developed vacuum is developed.  Atmospheric pressure then drives a turbine as it moves in to rectify the vacuum created in the cylinder.  Plasma is in play but this plasma takes up less space than the two gases non combined.   It is difficult to imagine but you can construct something with a very increased energy density that is not exhibiting alot of kinetic energy and taking up room.  Once the plasma liquid is dense enough it will fall to the bottom of the cylinder where it is exhausted.  The ionizing frequency emitted acts as a catalyst in the phase change and liquid air is the exhaust.  Upon reaching the atmosphere it picksup thermal agitation or electromagnetic stimulation where it turns back into gas and liquid nitrates.  No fusion nor fission just relatively hot gas turning into cold plasma.  Not flash steam but flash ice.