Opposing force is the key to a working gravity wheel !

[roberval]

Opposing force is the key to a working gravity wheel !


Trying to get a device to work using gravity is overcome by using opposing forces, keeping the wheel in balance.
to make use of a pendulum type of lever, they need to be used in pairs, assume a pair of pendulums are connected using gears 
and geared in such  a way, that when 1 is at 8-o’clock, the other at 4-o’clock, both trying to fall but unable as its in balance due to its connection via gears or cranks, chains e.t.c. causing them to  counteract each
others force, with the result being a balanced system.
 
as shown simply in FIG A.
 

   This set up is pointless at the moment, but has potential energy due to the force being applied by the 2 heavy levers.
work can be done by the pair of levers ( as in this example) by having them run around a wheel similar to a Ferris wheel, and when connected in the correct manner, will try to move in the opposite direction of
the wheel, so when the wheel moves CW 1 revolution, the opposed pendulums move CCW 1 revolution.
  these 2 pendulums being opposed will counteract and overcome resistance, they remain in balance.

FIG B.

This shows a simple design of pendulum levers opposing each other as in FIG A,  it does not show the connection that keeps the levers opposed,
basically each lever has its own connection to a mechanical system that drives the wheel, force is evenly transferred to each pendulum lever to keep it in balance.

when lever (pendulum) A encounters resistance while turning the wheel, it will try to lift upwards , trying to turn the wheel CCW, which is the opposite direction the wheel needs to turn, lever (pendulum) B on the opposite side is also trying to lift upwards due to the same resistance causing the pendulum to try to lift, which now tries to turn the wheel CW, the result is a balanced wheel.
in the case of the system compressing a spring, if it takes less effort to compress the spring than the combined force exerted by the weighted levers (pendulums), the levers will try to lift, but both lift in opposite directions and the wheel remains balanced.


  The wheel turns when the stored potential energy is released, depending on the type of drive system used.
  springs could be compressed, then release their energy to drive the wheel


The wheel does not try to counter rotate e.g. ( during 1 test when compressing the spring  by hand turning the wheel, only using  1 unit, without any other springs applying power back to rotate the wheel, there was no counter resistance, except for friction as it's always in balance, due to 1 pendulum  trying to turn CW while the other is trying to turn CCW, so if the Ferris type wheel is turning CW the weighted levers will always try to fall in opposite directions to each other. they are constantly trying to fall.   
When more of the drive systems are used e.g. many springs and equally arranged, the smoother it runs, as it has a similar problem of a crank type action, causing rotation to be slower at top dead centre and bottom dead centre, similar to piston engines.
perhaps this is what the AP drawing is referring to, using 3 pairs of levers spaced 120 degrees apart, with the white areas showing the areas were power is reduced due to the cranks action, the smoother rotation is due to power being applied by another device used to drive the wheel, while another drive device is at the flat spot.
It could also possibly be showing the connect and disconnect if using a pendulum to drive the wheel,when lifting against gravity or falling when transferring it's power to the wheel.
A flywheel helps with this problem.
 
   Not stating that this is besslers wheel, as there are many ways to use the opposing force to power the wheel, the use of opposing force plus the correct drive system mechanisms designed to make use of this potential energy is the important part to make use of gravity.
 
resistance is overcome when using opposing forces, and in today’s world trying to get the wheel to rotate on its own using only mechanics is more complicated, as there are ready made reliable generators and motors that make it possible to build a much smaller design with large power output, by using a motor to drive the wheel, which uses less power to drive a higher output generator.
 

FIG. C DESCRIPTION.

  fig c shows another basic set-up using of a pair of opposed weights.
when connected via crank, gears or chains, so that as the wheel turns CW 1 revolution and the weighted levers rotate CCW 1 revolution, the pair of pendulums on each side will stay in the relative same position to each other, ( hanging at the same degree to each other e.g. 8 o-clock and 4 o-clock),  while moving around the outside of axle.

  if the gearing can disconnect from each other pendulum only when encountering resistance, ( as the resistance is now what keeps the arms in their relative opposed position, using a ratchet type device, then work can now be done.
  The resistance is caused by using any device, attached in the correct manner, e.g. a generator which allows the force of 1 opposed pendulum to be transferred to the second opposed pendulum, but not directly connected, this allows an equal and opposite force to be transferred to both pairs of the opposed pendulums, as the main wheel is balanced on both sides, it takes little effort to rotate the wheel.   

   the easiest explanation is to take the case of placing generator bodies directly and equally spaced near the circumference of a wheel, ( Ferris wheel style, but with the body secured to the wheel.)
  Attach long weighted pendulums to the generator rotors,
  As the wheel is turned CW by a motor, when the generators are under load the weighted levers will naturally want to turn CCW turning the generator rotors CCW, but the resistance of the generators will cause the arms to try and turn CW, the levers are trying to swing out to the left side of the wheel, and the result is now that it takes the same amount of force to turn the generators, as it takes to turn the wheel, due to the wheel now being heavy on the left side.
   This is useless.
  When using 2 opposed levers which allows the resistance of of 1 arm to be transferred to the second arm equally, the weighted levers now balance each other out, if 1 pendulum tries to swing out to the left, the other pendulum will swing out to the right, balancing out the wheel.
as long as pendulums weight and leverage is greater than the generators resistance, the pendulums won't swing upwards and try to spin 360 degrees.

   this is only a basic description to get the basic understanding of how opposing force can overcome resistance while keeping the wheel balanced.
the above design is not reliable and swings causing  unstable power transfer, there are many alternative ways to design a system using the principle of opposing force
    One design which was only for testing purposes, overcome the resistance of a springs, on a crank.
NOTE: the rotor and the body of e.g. a generator both should be allow to rotate, it's the resistance of either the mechanical system or generator that is passed from 1 of the opposed pendulums to the other, when the rotor spins faster than the generator body due to a higher gearing, the rotor tries to push or turn the generator body in the same direction, the force equals out between both of the pendulums as its now transferred to the other pendulum via the connection from the generators body, the body can't rotate faster than the rotor, so if the rotor is geared at 2 RPM, and the body at 1 RPM with both turning in the same direction, it's the same as a generator doing 1 RPM with a fixed body. 
       

  FIG: D description.

    This shows a pendulum with a type of ratchet system incorporated in it, it's only an example how gravity can drive the wheel.

this pendulum is what drives the wheel, when in the (12 o-clock) position ready to swing - fall down. This pendulum rotates full circle, 360 degrees.
  THE ratchet does not allow free wheeling (so it's not actually a ratchet,  will use the term ratchet for easier understanding), else the opposed pendulums could drop in a vertical position.
the ratchet allows an x amount of degrees free movement ( judging from besslers AP drawing it's probably 30 degrees), "this is important" so when the ratchet pendulum is being lifted against gravity, allowing transfer of it's resistance to the opposed pair of pendulums, (when lifted against gravity the stop of the inner ratchet is forced against the outer ratchet bodies stop, allowing the drive pendulum to be lifted ).
  once in it's highest position (12 o-clock) it will eventually start to fall due to gravity, and will want to fall faster than the wheels RPM, the inner ratchet body stop can no longer push against the ratchet stop of the outer body due to the wheel speed being slower than the speed the drive pendulum wants to drop due to gravity .
   This drive pendulum is now disconnected from the pair of opposing pendulums due to the gap of the ratchet device.
this ratchet pendulum is now free to power the wheel, which could simply be transferred to the main wheel  via a horizontal bar (G) connected directly to the main wheel when the ratchet (drive) pendulum arm  comes in contact with it.
  The drive system is not placed out from the wheels centre, as in the fashion that the opposed pendulum pairs are. so the ratchet pendulums move with the main wheel, with a small gap which allows transfer when being lifted or ascending.
   Many of these ratchet type pendulums would need to be used and equally spaced so the pairs of opposed pendulums do no fall, as they are under constant resistance similar to a generator.
  the weight of the combined ratchet drive pendulums is less than the opposed pair of pendulums.

Fig D shows the ratchet pendulum, if used on a wheel moving counter clock wise.
an extra set of gears are used to reverse the direction of rotation from the opposed pendulums to the ratchet drive system pendulum, so when the main wheel turns CCW the opposing pendulums (H-I) FIG E, turn CW, the extra gear on each opposing pendulum now allows the drive pendulum system (that drives the wheel) to turn in the same direction as the main wheel, allowing the falling ratchet (drive) pendulum now to transfer it's weight simply to the bar horizontally connected to the main wheel.

The drive system can be geared up, unsure about this weight system design, have not used or performed tests using weights on the drive system, "prefer other devices"
a generator can be geared up which allows faster rotation of the generator, the resistance is still equally transferred to each of the opposed pendulums due to the magnetic fields passing each other,
  the resistive force is equalized between both the opposed pendulums  due to the generator rotor trying to turn the generator body in the same direction, ( remember, the generator body needs to rotate in the same direction as the generator rotor, if a higher gearing is not used from 1 of the opposing pendulums to the generator rotor, the generator rotor and the generator body would rotate in the same direction at the same RPM, causing no rotation or passing of the generator fields.
  If the rotor is geared to run at twice the RPM of 1 of the opposed pair of pendulums, it now can move past the magnetic fields, placing an equal amount of force onto the other opposed pendulum, the rotor is now passing the magnetic field of the generator body at 1 RPM.
   Have only tested drive systems that allow this type of slippage, e.g. a spring drive system, so their may be some type of error in the explanation of how the gravity driven ratchet pendulum system works.
The other advantage of using a generator (apart from the obvious), is that no ratchet system is needed to keep the opposed pendulums in a raised position, they rise up or drop down depending on the amount of resistance they face.
The extra set of gears that reverse the drive pendulum ratchet are not needed if used on e.g. a generator.

Not certain, but my thoughts are that the gap in the ratchet gravity drive system would allow the transfer when its at a 1:1 ratio, as they don’t need to pass each other as a generator does, only needs a gap.   
     much easier to power a generator using a motor to turn the wheel.


  FIG E

  This diagram shows a front view of the basic set-up.

A is the central axle. The axle is connected on each end to a support frame using bearings to allow the axle (A) to rotate freely.
B) The main wheel. connected to the axle (A) and free wheels on bearings.
C) the ratchet pendulum drive arm,
D) Gears, 2 gears are used on each opposed pendulum to reverse the drive ratchets rotation. NOTE:, the gears that sit further in the wheel, also have a chain sprocket attached to it, this is not shown but easy to understand, the inner gears are used to reverse the drive pendulum rotation, so it turns in the same direction of the main wheel, a chain and sprocket connected to the inner gears allows connection to the sprockets turning on the axle which are connected to the ratchet pendulum system, one of these central sprockets connect to the inner drive ratchet pendulum, while the other connects to the outer drive ratchet pendulum (J-K).


E-F) The stop of the inner ratchet body, and the stop of the outer body of the pendulum ratchet mechanism.
G) The main wheel hub which contains bearings, this allows the main wheel to free wheel, it is connected to axle (A).
H-I) shows the opposed pendulums ( only partly showing the opposed pendulum H), when faced with resistance the opposed pair of pendulums lift slightly, if there is no resistance they would try to fall to a vertical position,

using many of the drive pendulum systems evenly distributed, e.g. 12 spaced every 30 degrees, 6 fall and transfer their weight to the wheel while 6 are being lifted against gravity placing resistance on the opposing pair of pendulums which stops them from falling. they stay in the arms out position. e.g. 4 o-clock- and 8 o-clock.
J)Outer body of the drive pendulum ratchet, which is part of the drive pendulum arm and weight, is connected to the main axle (A), main axle (A) is connected to the chain and gears of opposed pendulum (I)
K) Inner body of the ratchet type mechanism, the inner ratchet runs on bearings in a hub running on the axle (A).
the sprocket attached to this hub, transfers to another sprocket via chain and gears to the other opposed pendulum (H).
L) Simply a horizontal bar directly connected to the wheel, when the drive pendulum (C) falls it transfers its weight to this bar which allows the main wheel to be driven by gravity, drive pendulum (C) is disconnected from the opposed pendulums (H-I) due to the gap in the ratchet type device.


Hopefully the idea is understandable, working on a different project, using the same principle. "not giving everything away".
   makes me wonder if it's possible to use opposing forces in an electronic system, so once it's charged it generates excess power.

[roberval]

This may have confused some members, the simplest way to make sense of it, is to assume that there are a pair of pairs of opposed pendulums on each side of a wheel,
If one persons feet were attached closer to the fulcrum of 1 pendulum and another persons legs were attached to the second pendulum similar to besslers A legs (resembling something like a pantograph), and both people now join hands and push against each other, the pendulums will swing away from each other, they will swing out equally.
when these A legs are placed on the opposite sides of a wheel, (one set of A legs on the left and another on the right) the wheel remains balanced, this is not the system that powers the wheel, a secondary system is incorporated which makes use of the opposing force, the secondary system drives the wheel, due to the fact that when these pairs of opposed pendulums encounter resistance they keep the wheel balanced, while performing work.
as long as these opposed pendulums have more leverage than the system driving the wheel, the force needed to drive the wheel and do work, is less than the opposed pendulums force, due to the main wheel being balanced, the lighter drive weight ( or alternate drive system) does not need to move a wheel that's heavy on 1 side, so a 1/4 of the opposed pendulum weight and leverage can power the wheel. the opposed A leg pendulum pair can easily can lift the lighter drive weight or run the secondary alternate system that drives the wheel, with spare energy to do work.
trying to get a wheel to turn by using a single system to make one side heavier by levers or balls as in many of besslers drawings won't work.

hope this clears up any confusion.
there are numerous ways to design a system that makes use of this principle, still believe it's possible using an electronic system, with no moving parts.

[roberval]

FIG F
simple math which shows how the torque or resistance of using opposing force to power a generator using a lower powered motor is possible,
due to the generators torque being transferred to the 4 pendulum, or weighted lever arms, in equal and opposite directions.
Note: the generator rotor and the generator stator both turn so the slippage of the rotor passing the stator can now transfer the same equal opposite force to the opposite pendulum arm via the gears or chains.
when an electric motor powers the main wheel, with pendulum lever A and C connected to the generator rotor at twice the ratio , of the wheel speed, when resistance comes into play, the rotor is trying to push or turn the stator in the same CCW direction, the stator only turns at 1 RPM, and allows the force from the rotor to place an equal and opposite amount of force on the pendulums B and D, due to the rotor trying to push into stator, and the stator trying to push away from the rotor.


if the wheel turns CW ( the 4 pendulum arms naturally turn CCW),
If the generator resistance is 20NM when under full load, and each of the 4 pendulum arms have a 20NM force down force, due to gravity,
The 4 pendulum arms now have a 5NM force trying to lift them up, due to the resistance of the generator.

Pendulum A and C have a 5NM force trying to turn them CW due to the resistance of pushing into the stator. pendulums B and D have a 5NM force trying to turn them CCW due to the stator being pushed by the rotor.
This cancels out the generators resistance, as 2 pendulums are trying to turn the wheel CW while the other 2 are trying to turn the wheel CCW, and the wheel remains balanced.
the resistive force of turning the generator has been cancelled out.
It now takes less energy to power the wheel due to the opposing force principle, converting the constant downward force of gravity into a useful way to perform work.

[roberval]

Placing heavy pendulums on a wheel and adding motors to them is the best way to demonstrate the action that is similar to what a generator does when connected to 2 opposed heavy pendulums.
if you have simulation software, run this simple test, it will also allow a better understanding of the pendulums movement as the wheel turns.
FIG -G and FIG-H shows 2 different setups for a simulation test.

place 1 pendulum on the left side of a wheel, attach a motor to the pin, set this motor to run CW with 1000NM of torque so the pendulum tries to swing to the left side of the wheel.
attach a second pendulum on the opposite side, same distance from the wheels center with the motor turning CCW. with 1000NM of torque so the pendulum tries to swing out to the right side of the wheel.
place a motor on the wheels axle or pin,set the motor to 1000NM turning the wheel clockwise.
make sure the pendulums leverage is greater than the torque of the motor,the pendulums should not rotate and spin 360 degrees.
Anchor the wheel to the background, and run the simulation, if the motorized pendulums rotate 360 degrees add more weight to the pendulums, both pendulums should be equal length and weight, if the left side pendulum moves to about the 7 o'clock position, and the right side pendulum moves to the 5 o clock position they should have enough weight to stop them rotating .
remove the anchor to the background.

when running the simulation, the 1000NM motor overcomes the combined 2000NM of torque produced by the 2 motors of the pendulums.
This is easy to explain, the motor on the left pendulum is trying to turn the wheel CCW, this is the opposite direction the motor powering the wheel is turning.
the motor on the right side pendulum is trying to turn the wheel CW, this is the same direction the wheel is turning, this pendulum is helping to turn the wheel CW with 1000 NM of torque.
the motor turning the wheel clockwise, set at 1000 NM of torque easily turns the wheel, the motor still turns the wheel when the torque is set much lower.
This simulation is basically performing in the same way when running a generator.
The big difference from running generators when compared to the simulation using motors on the opposed pair of pendulums, is that it's the generators resistance that causes the opposed pair of pendulums to swing out in equal and opposite directions.
So when viewing the wheel when stationary,the left pendulum tries to rotate clockwise due to the generators resistance placing a clockwise force on the pendulum.
the right side pendulum tries to rotate counterclockwise due to the generators resistance placing a counterclockwise force on the pendulum.
both of the opposed pendulums can not lift up too high and start spinning, due to the pendulums force being much greater than the generators resistance force.
The system helps in turning the wheel on one side in the same direction the wheel is turning, due to an equal and opposite opposing force. This is most likely the trick where the excess energy comes from.

Note: when running the sim, the pendulums will start to swing erratically at higher RPM, this erratic swing hinders the movement.
to help solve this problem in the simulation,adjust the weight of the wheel so it's quite heavy, this allows the wheel to slowly accelerate, reducing the erratic swing of the pendulums.
if running the test using 3 pendulums as in FIG H, the green weighted pendulum runs CW at twice the NM of the 2 orange weighted pendulums running CCW.

The simulation above is only a simple and basic representation using the same principle to what i am working on, but far from the actual improved design, it,s still operates using opposing force through a pair, making the improved design public knowledge would affect a patent.
their are much more improved ways to use this principle of opposing force with a smoother action, e.g. centrifugal force.

if this principle is not true, then what mystical power has transformed the gravity field in the shed ?,
"it's more likely that my interpretation has been incorrectly explained ".
perhaps a better understanding of physics would have helped with explaining the principle more clearly, "perhaps not", could have been brainwashed into thinking that this idea was impossible.
" So the principle as i understand it, though possibly interpreted in the wrong way works, it does allow the potential energy of gravity to be converted into useful work"
The most important part when trying to use gravity to power a wheel is to first find the system that can actually make use of it in a mechanical way, opposing force allows this,
The pair of opposing force pendulums on it's own doesn't turn the wheel, it's the mechanical device that has the ability to catch the energy of gravity which now can be turned into useful mechanical energy, in the same way that the design of a wind turbine blades catches wind energy, which then can be transferred to a mechanical secondary system to do work.

Hopefully the simulation will give a much better understanding, even though it doesn't show the way it's connected, this is important and was explained earlier in previous posts.

[Low-Q]

No matter how hard you try, the mass is limited to travel a given altitude. As you sure know, mass x altitude determine the potential energy. If the altitude is limited to 1m and you have 1kg mass, the energy required to lift the mass is approx 10J, but also the released energy will be approx 10J when the mass descent 1m. No matter how you sync the pendulums or what you got there, all "energies" will be accounted for in one way or another.

Vidar