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Do electrons share the same space in a magnet?

Started by gravityblock, May 13, 2009, 09:19:48 PM

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Quote from: IotaYodi on May 19, 2009, 12:16:10 PM
I agree with LowQ. From what I gather you are not adding more electrons to the magnet. There is a finite number of electrons in the magnets mass and you are just forcing them with emf to spin in the same direction. Which in turn creates the back flow or opposite direction of spin to create an opposite pole. The electrons themselves are just lined up in strings side by side across the mass. Only so many can be side by side before the next electron is displaced to creating another string across the mass.

I never said you would be adding more electrons to the magnet.  The free space is re-arranged.  Let's say you have 1,000 electrons with random spins, thus occupying the space randomly in the magnet.  Now align 500 electrons to have a CW spin (north pole side), and 500 electrons to have a CCW (south pole side).  Their is still the same amount of electrons in the magnet, and still the same amount of space in the magnet.  The free space would then be between the poles of a magnet, and this is where the vortex is located since the electrons are no longer occupying or transversing that space, but transversing or occupying the same space as the electrons that have the same spin.

Quote from: IotaYodi on May 19, 2009, 12:16:10 PM
I think inertia comes into play also. If you are referring to the magnets volume of electrons occupying the same space within the confines of the magnet dimensions,that has nothing to do with 2 electrons in the same place.

Again, totally misunderstanding what I have said.  You're focused on the number or volume of electrons within the magnet's dimensions, and not focusing on how the electrons are transversing the space randomly with non-aligned spins or orderly with aligned spins within the magnet.

If you have an electron with a CW spin and another electron with a CCW spin, then they must have a different orbit or they will hit each other, thus not able to occupy or transverse the same space.  If you have two electrons with both a CW spin, then they can transverse or occupy the same space within a magnet while having the same orbit without a collision, thus a greater magnetic field.  And yes, that orbital thing is probably another screwed up analogy.  LOL

The magnetic field of flux is the strength or intensity of the field lines within a given area.  If you increase the strength of the field lines within a given area, then you must have more of something within that specific area in order for the strength to have increased.

I am not saying the textbook is right or wrong, it just sounds like B.S.
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