Compressed Air for Car

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PhiScience and Paul (there was an advertisement that would not clear over your handle so not sure what that is, glad you signed your name)..   Thank you for the links.  That did reference the program I had seen on TV.  It was interesting reading.

I hope more comes of it.  It would seem to be an efficient way to store energy and run a generator. 

Not sure if I will get a reply, but I will write Engineair and ask them if they have any plans in that regard. 

Thanks again,

Daniel

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@ Shanti
Noo,
the efficience ist not bear 100%

you have an lot of losses.
The heat that you produce , by compressing the air IS LOST.
But wonderfull heater if you use the !!
(Remember that tis energy  (coling the ais  will als decrease the produced
values of compressed air production
Use your air compressor also to heat your home (warm-water etc.)
warm-water-boilers.

So than use the rest of it to fill your own air-fuell-station for your car.

(So you must not "re-heat" the air (with gasolin in your car)

Who can say how mutch % loss (in heat) i produce when Icompress the airdid, which means the energy as heat in the home can used
Pese

[Shanti]

@ Shanti
Noo,
the efficience ist not bear 100%

What I said is 100% true: I said the theoretical efficiency is 100%. I also said, that in practise you will never get it!
As in practise you will not be able to have pure isothermal expansions and compressions.
You could get very near this 100% if you expand/compress very slowly. But surely this is not practical. And as the efficiency figures for big power plants which use compressed air for storage show (about 75% efficiency), you can get quite good figures if you put some effort in it. It is said in Wiki that the aircars currently have a total efficiency of about 34%, but unfortunately they don't say with which compressor method they got this value. What would be interesting what is the motor (expansion)-efficiency. And what the compressor efficiency.
Surely the losses during compression can always be used to heat something. Which I think will certainly be used to additionally heat the home. Like that the compression losses are not in vain...

(So you must not "re-heat" the air (with gasolin in your car)

I'm sorry. But I really have much problems understanding your posts. So I really didn't get why you don't have to reheat the air.
Well you don't have to do this! Usually the air in the environment is used to heat the air to STP to run the car. But if you don't have anymore enough compressed air to run on air alone, then you can use the gasoline to heat the air, so that it gets a higher pressure, so that you now can still drive with an air expansion motor...

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@shanti
possibly onther treads said nearla 100% efficient,
BUT added all losses IT MUST be 100% in summary.

Ih have "he feeling" that i have more heat on the outlet tube from compressor that fill the "resevoir-tank".
If this make 25% (and more?) heat. Than you have better to USE this first.

Save all.
HEAT (into warm water boiler

Compressed ait  to work with
Air- tools
air turbine , electricc generator (to use at home)
IF you can not use all the air in your car.


If you can use airmills:
than constructe one that have an compressor in
the head of the mill
(do not produce first LOSSES to make electricity.
to use then an compressor motor
Lee Bell have done this on his great Workshop 

www.leebell.net.

The pictures are here

http://www.packratworkshop.com/minipwrwind.htm

since 2005

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To finish , i think. with compression air , we have an
an usefull source., that contains also additionally an
third power.
Refrigidation.
The expanding air , will cooling down the ambient.
PESE



Some more interesting devices , you find here
(i will add,somes more, because i search again
in this "field"

http://pesetrier.150m.com/link-Fuel.txt