Question about magnetic acceleration and sticky points.

[Gregory]

As I can rememeber correctly Steorn also said that the travelling through the field can be complex. But complex doesn't mean over complicated.

[thevorlon]

Greg and Gregory,

So are you saying that in my concept the rotor magnet would be accelerating or not? You see, I need to know if the rotor magnet gains a little extra energy from each stator magnet or not.

Basically, is there a way to measure the ammount of force required to break through the first sticky point and the ammount of force the rotor has exiting the last stator magnet?

[Gregory]

Sure, It will accelerate a bit through the track, but not as much as needed to break through the repulsive force of the first magnet.

The acceleration is basically depending on simple dimensions and distances.
1. Make the rotor with the magnet.
2. With a stator magnet in your hand, measure what is the farthest distance which is enough to move the rotor with a relative good force. After you can set this distance for the distance between the last magnet of the spiral track and the rotor.
3. Choose a closest distance after some testing.
4. And finally based on the diameter and the number of magnets used, you can calculate the step differences between the magnets through the spiral track.

When you use closer distances the rotor can accelerate with greater force, but also there is a greater sticky point at the entering.
When you use farther distances the rotor will accelerate with lower force, against a lower sticky point.

But the result is the same: In a simple spiral track you cannot gain enough force to break through the sticky point. The force you gain through the track, and the force of the sticky point is usually connected. You cannot separate them with such a simple way.

If you build this setup, which is a good experiment I think, finally you will understand that it's simply a physical-mathematical relation, that you cannot draw a spiral which will be able to reset your rotor's movement.

If you use a shielding material... Shields usually give you what they take from. I mean, because they attract the magnets they take & hold some flux, so your magnets become weaker. If you use bigger shield they take more amount of flux and your magnets become more weaker. They normally make the movements smoother which sometimes looks very impressive, but usually just an illusion. So, this is usually the same story...

After all, if you want to achieve something, you must keep these things in mind.
I don't say it's impossible to make an operational motor, I don't say that shields are useless, but i say that first we need to think with a discerning mind. The possibility is there and waiting for the right person. First we must experience, understand, and accept the rules of the magnets for ourselves through our own experiments. We can begin to play a better game only after this procedure. Perform as much experiment as you can, and they will improve your knowledge and understandings.

About measurements...
You can measure things with correct measurement tools and equipment. I don't know these things very well...
Or you can make rough measurements if you can figure out a simple method for it.

Best wishes,
Greg