Magnet Motor brainstorming

[Brotherbrian]

Several friends (engineers, electricians, and hobbyists) and myself have taken it upon ourselves to brainstorm a host of different ideas for an all-magnet-powered motor. We figure if we can generate enough speed and/or torque, we can turn a generator and produce usable power. I have taken the liberty of putting together a host of different videos and sending them all links accordingly, so as to get us all up to speed, on the same page. Right now, I am paying particular attention to the Calloway V-gate concept.

My apologies if this stuff has already been gone over previously. But the main problem with many magnet-only motors seems to be the "sticky spot". It also seems to me that the only reason that "moving" the stator away in some fashion only seems to fix the problem because we "anticipate" the gate as we get higher RPMs. Any attempt to "bump" the stator with a cam or whatnot still requires additional work, when we haven't even gotten enough work out of it to keep itself moving, let alone move a camshaft, lol.

Any tips would be greatly appreciated. I have been looking at this for a number of months now, and am beginning to rack up a "magnet bill", lol.....

Brian

[mscoffman]

I wrote these three ideas previously that I had for the V
gate motor concept. We were able to get rid of the
*weight* of moving the top piece away but not the
momentum of moving it.

So...

If you happen to have one of these wheels
made up, here are three things one can try.

a) You can cut the energy required to move the top
piece in half by having two *synchronized* wheels
of opposite polarity running some distance away
from one another. When one wheel shoves the N
pole of the top piece away from it's sticky spot
it also shoves the S pole of the top piece into place
on the other synchronized wheel. The wheels each
makes one power turn, then cams the magnet away,
then one turn idling. That should do if the the gain
from one wheel is too small by a fraction.

That idea came from the magnet piston engine designs.

b) Use the idea that Steorn is developing concerning
use of toroid to block the magnetic fields of a magnet.
This would be based in using an electronic pulse to block
the magnetic field of a magnet and then recovering the
energy circulating in the toroid that made up the pulse.
A mechanical generator would supply only the lost make-up
power.

That idea came from other Steorn threads and is still being
developed there. It is probably based on the toroids gaining
energy from environmental heat. (maxwell's demon)

c) Use a piece of soft ferrite that is initially non-magnetic
but becomes magnetized when used in a magnetic circuit
in the presence of a powerful magnet. Only a point of
contact with another piece of iron would need to be
moved and not the whole ferrite metal top piece.

That idea comes from the Quinn the Australian thread where
he demonstrated this bulk ferrite magnetization technique. It
would need to be re-worked for this application.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[0c]

@Brotherbrian,

There is a design very close to my thoughts that has never yet been completed. There have been many replications of a partial implementation that appeared to do amazing things, but apparently was faked. You can find videos of those partially complete devices all over the internet, along with some extensive threads on this site and others.

I still think the original, never been built, device is as good a candidate as any of the other devices you are investigating. There are 2 major features of the original design missing from all the devices you have seen in the videos: a latching mechanism to leverage the repulsive force, and pivot mechanism to reduce the effort to overcome the sticky spot.

Most of my original drawings are located at: http://s305.photobucket.com/albums/nn222/whipmag/OC/ .
A basic transcript of the the initial (incomplete) prototype design and construction is located here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=340

Please note, the complete device requirements including latching and pivots is discussed in the transcript, although no devices have ever been constructed with those features.

There has been some discussion about the best way to add these features. Unfortunately, interest has declined and I doubt much will be accomplished unless I pick up the torch and complete it on my own ... something that's not a good idea (I don't have the design or construction skills or resources) and probably wouldn't ever get completed for a number of personal reasons. You can review our discussions over here:
  http://www.fizzx.org/viewtopic.php?t=384
and
  http://www.fizzx.org/viewtopic.php?t=420

Will it work? Who knows? I think its chances are as good or better than anything else you might have looked at. Judge for yourself.

Good luck,
0c

[Brotherbrian]

Well, among other things, I have been using my son's Tinkertoys for early experimentation. I am using one round tinkertoy disk as a hub, which takes a shaft loosely, so it spins around the shaft freely. The shaft is attached to another tinkertoy disk as a base, which the shaft is fitted into pretty solidly. But the two rubbing together was way too much friction to overcome, so I set up some magnets between them as repel, so now it the hub hovers over the base by a little over an inch. Now all I need is some roller bearings, and then I can concentrate solely on magnetic arrangement, lol.

I have built a working vgate roller, like the many videos that are out there. I still have to anticipate the gate, and pull the magnet away before. But I think Robert Calloway is onto something with his model here:
http://www.callowayengines.com/att39.jpg

Anyone have any info on creating a mechanical timing arrangement to move the stators in proximity to the rotor magnets, and whether or not it works? I am of the mind that timing them so they come into very close proximity at the right moment might overcome the balance that the array naturally seeks.

I was thinking of using a wire "drive belt" instead of timing gears. Less friction that way. Thoughts on any of the above?

Brian