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Overunity Machines Forum



Gear-magnet motor. Just a strange idea

Started by Low-Q, November 14, 2010, 06:57:34 AM

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Low-Q

Quote from: void109 on November 16, 2010, 11:52:19 AM
I have a question regarding the principle of operation.  Maybe its two questions!

The static magnetic field magnetizes the steel.  I'd like to assume that you could replace the steel with a ferrous material, like a balun rod.  If I'm picturing what you have in your animation correctly, then I should be able to fix two magnets with say the south pole facing the same direction, and close, relatively to each other.  Then if I bring two ferrous bars or rods over the two poles, the rods would repel each other?

I'm just trying to picture a simple way to test the principle.  If the above sounds correct, I'll try that.
You can cover the right part of the outer rotor AND the whole eccentric rotor with the south pole, and let the other pole cover the left side of the outer rotor only. Like lumen suggests, two ferromagnetic rods which is placed at the end of a bar magnet, will repel eachother.

This is also the principle of operation. The eccentric wheel wants to rotate towards the N pole and away from the S pole. As the outer and the eccentric rotor spins with different RPMs, but have the approx same torque, the energy of the eccentric rotor will be greater than the counter energy of the outer rotor.... this is what I think of it anyways :)

void109

I must be doing something incorrectly.  Using a 2" x 0.5" disc magnet with north facing up, and using two steel bars measuring 1" x 0.5" x 0.5", when holding them above the north face, any permutation of bar ends attract each other.

Very much an ad-hoc test, just using my hands, and holding it at arbitrary distances above the magnet (close, but not so close to cause the magnet to leap up to my soon-to-be crushed fingers).

Low-Q

Quote from: void109 on November 16, 2010, 01:21:29 PM
I must be doing something incorrectly.  Using a 2" x 0.5" disc magnet with north facing up, and using two steel bars measuring 1" x 0.5" x 0.5", when holding them above the north face, any permutation of bar ends attract each other.

Very much an ad-hoc test, just using my hands, and holding it at arbitrary distances above the magnet (close, but not so close to cause the magnet to leap up to my soon-to-be crushed fingers).
If the disc magnet are magnetized through thickness, you should have S pole on one flat surface, and N pole on the other flat surface. If you put one small steel ball on the S surface, it will move into the center. If you add one more (equal) steel ball, both balls will repell eachother and find themself apart with the same distance to the center of the disc.

Vidar

lumen

Quote from: void109 on November 16, 2010, 01:21:29 PM
I must be doing something incorrectly.  Using a 2" x 0.5" disc magnet with north facing up, and using two steel bars measuring 1" x 0.5" x 0.5", when holding them above the north face, any permutation of bar ends attract each other.

Very much an ad-hoc test, just using my hands, and holding it at arbitrary distances above the magnet (close, but not so close to cause the magnet to leap up to my soon-to-be crushed fingers).

Void,
Find some strips of sheet metal about .o3" thick and .5 wide and about 2" long, hang then from some string and see if you can get them to stick together by placing the magnet beneath them.
They will attract to the magnet but repel from each other.
This concept is based on the same idea of the stack of washers between two magnets. All the washers will separate from each other when placed in the field lines of the magnets. I have done several experiments with this idea but there was the problem of the additional attraction when the washers are expanded.
This concept may provide the solution to the additional attraction problem that would prevent the washer concept from providing any gain in force due to the exit loss from additional attraction by changing back to an attraction state.



Low-Q

This motor is really buging me! I have simulated the torque to be allmost the same on eccentric rotor and outer rotor. But what bugs me is the difference in kinetic energy which is required to run these rotors. When the outer rotor have taken 4 revolutions at say 10Nm, the eccentric rotor has taken 5 revolutions at 10Nm. Isn't that 25% more energy from the eccentric rotor? And wouldn't that rotor "win" the battle and result in a self sustaining magnet motor?

Vidar