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New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33

Started by hartiberlin, November 17, 2010, 05:47:43 AM

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Scorch

Regarding roobert33's unverified claim the original video was produced in Italy:

I would like to to point out that, in Italy, an entirely different power outlet configuration is used. (see attached)
Compare this to the outlet strip seen in background of the original video. (see attached)
If you look closely you can see there is a typical, American Style, outlet strip on the wall, in the background, that looks EXACTLY like this common outlet strip that I have hanging on my own wall in Colorado, USA. (See attached)

Why would somebody, who produced (allegedly) a video in Italy, be using an American outlet strip?

}:>

Edit:
I would also like to point out that the hand, in the original video, has unique patterns of colors, shapes, scars, nails, and skin folds.
Would it be reasonable to assume that if we find that hand, in that pose, we will have somebody closely involved; possibly the inventor?
Considering how simple it would be for roobert33 to take a picture of his hand, in that pose, with similar lighting and background, would it be reasonable to expect him to do this?


Arrow

Quote from: Scorch on November 07, 2011, 11:04:18 AM
Regarding roobert33's unverified claim the original video was produced in Italy:

Dear Scorch I dont care actually why he is using US plugs or sockets, but suspect that there has to be a reason, for example his wife living in US or some where close to that country standarts and all her gadjets that she can not buy second time are US or other standarts and her husband create all relevant atmosphere for his wife in Italy to make her only happy with love...sorry I am using APC US standarts at my home in Armenia:)- I like that standart, shall I explane why? I love that sockets to see at my home..that is all my answer.
So if you will see in my videos US sockets then you shall say that video was made in US? No... so sockets not evidence.
Actually here we have very difficult situation - we have to use only our brain and knowledge base to understand where is true for us where is not true...

About motor and hand, Have you ever seen motor physically in one of the "creators" hands from 1 meter close?No, because of that you are here to know how to built it correct...Or I am wrong?

So, why we believe to one man words and dont believe to other man same words without tuff tech evidence?

At least we have here one of two men  and I want to see motor second time, may I?, or this some kind of crime from me to ask questions, and compose my own opinion in this long and not real for me story in 37 pages Sir?

I need to see motor second time - that all what I need to start make my final own decisions.But first I will  trust to man how can pass my logic with more tuff logic, I dont care to other words and things at all - just Logic! I have time for that with pleasure.

My position very neutral here and nothing can push it forward to one of the sides without having evidence.Motor for me - evidence you know why?
if working motor is After 1 year at one hand and that hand is Italian guy then he won game for me, sorry, he has less than 2 days to create same working motor from zero, can you do that if dont know how in 2 days? If yes then why we are speaking to Italian guy and not speaking with you, advise me, are you able to do that?
Please show me your working same motor and you will have my proposal in 1 Sec. you will become very famous Sir, I will do it for you and for me and for all people in the world, because based on your advise I shall construct here working motor and start to advertise your name as man who know how 100% to do this motor in any scale.
NO tricks Sir, I have very good friends here in my country who has very good friends in Armenia Diaspora...etc all over the world.

Truly
Rob

Scorch

Please forgive me if I was not clear, but, I have already accepted roobert33's claim upon proof of his claim.

These are merely my observations and questions regarding roobert33's claim that Robert, Steve, and everybody else involved at PESN, are liars.
I am also TRYING to remain neutral and not take a position but the PESN section clearly states that Robert Calloway is the inventor.

SO, who is lying?
And what are the motives for such an elaborate, alleged, deception that allegedly continued for nearly a year?

I, too, would love to see the motor again, but yes, indeed, this is a very difficult and highly questionable situation when roobert33 waits a year, until after I have provided some dimensions and materials list, to suddenly make this appearance and claim:
#1 He built it.
#2 It's a fake.
#3 The PESN statements that Robert Calloway is the inventor are completely false.

Why here?
Why now?
Why me?
Why this sudden controversy after I pointed out the use of ferrites, tossed a few dollars worth of materials together, and generated a parts list for all to see?

Even if he does manage to reproduce the motor and demonstrate how it can be made to spin remotely, including the obvious acceleration half way through the first revolution, does this prove that it's a fake?
Think about it.
If you have a perfectly good, working, motor then demonstrate that you can spin it by remote means, does this mean your perfectly good, working, motor is a 'fake'?
And would this be any reason to discontinue this pursuit of happiness and self sufficiency?

I am not interested in fame.
Only interested in replication of what is depicted in the video and, if I can make it work, teaching others to do the same.

BTW:
The bearing that fits a .312 wood dowel just arrived today.
Now I need to work on fabrication of a non-ferrous rocker assembly for the lower magnet.
Aside from lots of trial & error adjustments required to tune this device, this rocker is the second most challenging part and I would certainly LOVE to see a close-up, high resolution, image of Robert/Roobert design and do hope roobert33 comes through with this.

Even if its fake; I would still love to see a better image of how that particular part was constructed.


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Quote from: Arrow on November 07, 2011, 12:59:20 PM
Dear Scorch I dont care actually why he is using US plugs or sockets, but suspect that there has to be a reason, for example his wife living in US or some where close to that country standarts and all her gadjets that she can not buy second time are US or other standarts and her husband create all relevant atmosphere for his wife in Italy to make her only happy with love...sorry I am using APC US standarts at my home in Armenia:)- I like that standart, shall I explane why? I love that sockets to see at my home..that is all my answer.
So if you will see in my videos US sockets then you shall say that video was made in US? No... so sockets not evidence.
Actually here we have very difficult situation - we have to use only our brain and knowledge base to understand where is true for us where is not true...

About motor and hand, Have you ever seen motor physically in one of the "creators" hands from 1 meter close?No, because of that you are here to know how to built it correct...Or I am wrong?

So, why we believe to one man words and dont believe to other man same words without tuff tech evidence?

At least we have here one of two men  and I want to see motor second time, may I?, or this some kind of crime from me to ask questions, and compose my own opinion in this long and not real for me story in 37 pages Sir?

I need to see motor second time - that all what I need to start make my final own decisions.But first I will  trust to man how can pass my logic with more tuff logic, I dont care to other words and things at all - just Logic! I have time for that with pleasure.

My position very neutral here and nothing can push it forward to one of the sides without having evidence.Motor for me - evidence you know why?
if working motor is After 1 year at one hand and that hand is Italian guy then he won game for me, sorry, he has less than 2 days to create same working motor from zero, can you do that if dont know how in 2 days? If yes then why we are speaking to Italian guy and not speaking with you, advise me, are you able to do that?
Please show me your working same motor and you will have my proposal in 1 Sec. you will become very famous Sir, I will do it for you and for me and for all people in the world, because based on your advise I shall construct here working motor and start to advertise your name as man who know how 100% to do this motor in any scale.
NO tricks Sir, I have very good friends here in my country who has very good friends in Armenia Diaspora...etc all over the world.

Truly
Rob

Scorch


One thing I noticed about that cam, not only does it lift the stator magnet on the way up, its also accepting the weight of the magnet coming back down.
Most noticeable at the beginning of the motor starting, in the video, when he pulls the pin.
The weight of the stator magnet and associated wood dowel assembly is helping to push the cam forward and rotor around.

I agree the shape is pretty important for both performance and balance and I have been trying to find the drawing you refer to.
Are you referring to file name: "dram scale.dxf"?
If not, or if you have another, better, printable version of that cam, this would certainly help.

Kindest regards;

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Quote from: Arrow on November 02, 2011, 10:15:07 PM

and one more thing dear Scorch, in my drawing you can see exact shape of motor camshaft, I think , if you are able to scale it and copy to paper to get it on PVC then your motor will work as it is in the movie.It is very important part with its shape!

Arrow

Quote from: Scorch on November 07, 2011, 07:41:17 PM
....I agree the shape is pretty important for both performance and balance and I have been trying to find the drawing you refer to.
Are you referring to file name: "dram scale.dxf"?
If not, or if you have another, better, printable version of that cam, this would certainly help.

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Yes dear Scorch I am referring to dram scale.dxf. Can you open it? It is AutoCad drawing format. Tell me any other good format for you and I will provide with grate pleasure for me. Just I need to have direct contact to you to pass it. Write me an e-mail and I will sent any format you wish. I can even provide the CNC format of that cam shape to you in G-code, DAT coordinates... what you prefer?

Here is the cam simple PDF scaled 1:1 version for A4 paper http://depositfiles.com/files/qiro1qd4y
Here is the full set of new updated drawings for today with full PDF support http://depositfiles.com/files/9t42b8w7y
Note - not all set of PDF in scale 1:1 as far as A3 format small to take them. Some parts I just fit to paper size with its real dimensions.
I dont like hack creators works, but if they are or some else going crazy and trying already hide second time mechanical Grail from people than they will be panished in 1 sec from the Earth of Noy from the mountines of Ararat!

I did not tested good presented cam part as far as my dram dead fast. I think there is still huge field to improve it's shape with flaxy cam apex special model. Very hard but possible model to construct but if I will construct it then this "Grail dram/rotor" will be open it's real face with real max performance. My research of cam and rotors telling me that horisontal axi running rotors are better to show more liner revolutions under the load. Most crazy thing in this motor is the following: when it is speed up its RPM it's suddenly starting to decrease its revolutions speed because radial speed of dram becomes faster than coming down liner speed of horizontal bar with magnet and magnet loosing its right timing tic position to dram magnets. Actually that is why I believe that this video is true running motor video - its show the same like my rotor bad behavior at the end of movie when creator stops it. THAT IS WHY I WANT TO SEE MOTOR SECOND TIME SIR! nothing can pass trough my sharp eyes and digital analysis of movies. I am armed here as maximum  as it is possible to evaluate any video in any format.
Note, I am busy with this motor only 3 weeks.I did not knew about it 1 year and it is making me VERRRRY sad and shame...
When I made "evrica" this video I lost my calm! Crazy looser idiot I said to myself...

Nobody in the world can make such fake video by using air gun to turn motor with right behavior but only Hollywood digital movie huge factory. I have seen same at my real and small model Sir...That is why I said I dont believe to anybody and anyone. I believe to my own experiments results!
That is why such "confessions" that we can see here tellimg me motor closed for us to copy! Nobody going to share its right size structure. But I have less  than 2 days to be sure in my words.

sorry for my bad English, I must learn it better.I need 2 weeks(hope so) In front of me real mechanical Grail - dream of people.


To:.<I am also TRYING to remain neutral and not take a position but the PESN section clearly states that Robert Calloway is the inventor.>
do you know them (PESN) personally? what is the difference already after 1 year who is inventor if 1000 of people making this motor? I need only 1 working one to start mass production of souvenir V-gate rotor  Sir and start spread it all of the world alone or with inventor, no matter in did!. Actually where is Mr.Calloway? why he is not here? why anybody else must tell us like PESN must insure us that this is his invention? why Man not with us Sir? Is he President of United States or general good engineer and human to come here and prove this motor invention with open scaled drawings and calculations? all this is bla bla bla for me, sorry dear Scorch - I cant see any tech proves! Belive me nobody can patent it anymore, it is already open source motor invetion project - so why 1-st inventor not opening his drawings after 1 year fights with patent guys? Is he going to take it to his grave? Shame on him if so because I cant see any tuff logic here in this step.This is not step from real inventor! This is not real inventor logic, this is weak man logic Sir in such bad pure brain human behavior!This is behavior of human who is not ready to competion but life is competion it self and nobody can stop it or change. If such man not ready to competion of life then this man too weak to be called inventor until Sun is shining, wind blow and ocean water is waving with full life in it!
P.S.
I decided to go forward with this set of magnets and information
http://apexmagnets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=351
http://apexmagnets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4&products_id=146
base info:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHffliC2whk

here is my old mech lab video at my apt.:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80NTFnR3K0Q
http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/1110/52/c11cc8b47ccd.jpg
my own design cnc staff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwge2kG3DKs
works in creation 4axi CNC 600x600x150mm in progress.
my glider project in progress works too, it is copy of 1932 year Cheranovski glider, all drawings lost by KGB in 1942:)
I had recontructed it for my glider from 1 only evidence video of glider flight and so on...video classified, cant show, sorry it is real gold one!my friends find it for me as far as I am crazy and can do such works and put on to the air even chair with propeller if you order it:)
http://i077.radikal.ru/1109/8a/aa6d6e05785b.jpg
http://s001.radikal.ru/i193/1109/7b/8a3562da82f4.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO_kGSmpqdw
http://i046.radikal.ru/1109/22/4be3e288fb9d.jpg
http://s58.radikal.ru/i161/1109/fc/1e2c45aa0e74.jpg
http://s013.radikal.ru/i324/1109/1b/081d050553cf.jpg
and my big babybrother real UAV, name is "Crane" as far as they are always coming home to have next generation
http://s004.radikal.ru/i205/1109/de/684596f03a33.jpg


My crazy idea is to construct this crazy good magnet dram, to put it on my next generation of planes to have electric satellite robust self charged in the air UAV.
Nobody can stop me to create even if invention will be lost or stolen ok, my mistake or my own wish to spread its structures and I will open them official for people because I HAVE them as much numbers that I will push button on my head - start new idea! This are invertors logic and mind power Sir! You have there money - I have here many good open mind reach in soul and in pockets friends.That is why it was shame on me that I did not knew about dram, now I know! Satellites electric planes will go to the sky of Armenia to keep people happy and in peace for their future generation and kids with their always on Eagle electonic eyes to the Earth of Armenia!
My grand father teach me - tell the true to people and they will never trust you - you will be free to create what ever you want God Bless you -GO and create for people!

What ever guys - do your best, I will do my and open it for all of you free!!! - be reach in soul guys, love human,sky and earth - God Bless you!

Truly
Rob
http://s017.radikal.ru/i427/1111/66/f2fd6ab3b113.jpg