New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33

[WilbyInebriated]

My point is, that you can't say anything for sure until you make a real experiment on real subject. And your behaviour guys, is theorization only. I believe that you know that there are some examples in real world where something works against rationality or against human judgement.
Pneumatic motor is not an ICE and not an engine; it works on already energized air, like electric motor works on previously created electric current. Also a "motor" cannot be called an "engine" since "engine" always resembles a generator and "motor" never. And this kind of machine (Roobert's) can be called a generator since it does not rely on earlier created energy. That's why I compare it rather to the ICE and not to the "electric motor".
Modified:
And why four-stroke ICE? With human rationality it should not work since three strokes of four are idle, even worse, one of those three is "compression": in fact, it would not work without energy conserving flywheel.

on your first point i agree completely. now let's get to the rest...
really? shall we talk about rockets then? are they motor or engines? and what of an outboard motor...?? and what of a steam engine that works on 'already energized air'?? and now you say a magnet wheel is a generator and therefore should be compared to an internal combustion engine vrs compared to a generator?? LOL
yes i am aware the word 'engine' came from the term 'heat engine' and the word 'motor' came from the term 'electric motor'. regardless, your semantic argument is weak. and now you are running off on a tangential red herring about what can be compared to what...

since we are now arguing semantics i would like to comment on this statement of yours:

since it does not rely on earlier created energy.

it is said energy cannot be created nor destroyed...

my point was and is that your comment about engines not running without flywheels is laughable, even more so now that you are arguing what is and isn't an engine... and the comparision you made to this vgate wheel is irrelevant, also even more so now that you are arguing what is and isn't an engine.

edit for those who don't know what a flywheel does: flywheels maintain the continuity of motion and smooth out the pulses from individual pistons/cylinders, no matter whether those piston are in a pneumatic engine or an internal combustion engine... in the case of most ICE's, the flywheel includes a harmonic balancer to improve the smoothness of rotation of the flywheel/crankshaft.

[Golden Mean]

GoldenMean
Are you sterlinga's brother?
Only kidding!!

Stephan, Please get more info from Roberto!!
Chet

Hmm... I don't know who sterlina is so that joke went far over my head.   

[WilbyInebriated]

just to clear up any semantic red herrings that may appear...

in terms of etymology, originally motor was just another word for mover, especially "the prime mover", i.e., the thing that moves the rest of the device. originally, an engine was any device or system (mechanical, chemical, electrical, or even human, social, or political) that effects a result: a catapult is an engine, a crane is an engine, a bomb is an engine, a political party is an engine, a water-powered mill is an engine, a criminal gang is an engine, and a man with a singleness of purpose is an engine... gradually through the 19th century "engine" became especially (but not exclusively) associated with fire, boilers, furnaces, and bombs -- in short any device that tended to get very hot and explode, but the whole system was still considered "the engine", not just the prime mover (the motor). in the 20th century, americans took to calling a car motor "the engine", even though the suspension system, steering system, braking system, gearing, and whole drive train are really collectively "the engine".

also, the word engine comes from the latin word INGENIUM (from which we also get "ingenious") and prior to the 1800's just meant any contrivance that acheives an intended result. it can be and is still used this way. and "motor" comes from the latin word MOTO. it did not originate with "electric motor",  there were motors long before that. motors powered by wound springs. the fact that faraday felt obliged to put the qualifying adjective "electrical" in front of "motor" implies he did so to distinguish it from the common motors of his day. the same is true for watt's placement of the term "steam" in front of "engine" to qualify what kind of engine it was, and to thus distinguish it from the typical engines of his day...



qwert, you can post your mea culpa anytime...
edit: i'm just teasing on ya man. don't take me serious...

[grizli]

It still seems it may work
Guys.. try to  replicate it

IS THIS FAKE ??



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0oUaPZ_wF8

[powercat]

No no replicate this one from 1965, more fun! 

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=1869