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New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33

Started by hartiberlin, November 17, 2010, 05:47:43 AM

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Low-Q

Quote from: shylo on December 05, 2010, 06:33:20 PM
Hi Nihilanth.........I already built that rotor, it didn't work for me,.....with a push it was very pulsating in motion,...but always came to rest in the same spot,.....the closest I've come so far is a lever that rides an outer track with a drive magnet,....the track goes up and down at the right times ,....so the drive magnet attracts during down time ,...and repels during up time....the problem I have is the friction on the bearings....if I could get a maglev track like used on those trains I think it would work.........don't stop trying .......shylo
Magnetic bearings might be better? Anyways, if the rotor cannot overcome the little friction we are having in such a design, shouldn't there be extremely little energy you can possibly take out from the system - if any? If it really was possible to make energy with the torque that is available in the right areas, it should easily overcome the friction (?). The problem is the sticky spot, or in other words the area where the attraction are greatest. This area is the one spot the stator magnet wants to approach. If you use energy from the system itself to remove the stator nearby this greatest attraction area to avoid the sticky spot, the consequences will ofcourse be a stalling motor which stops pretty fast, not only because of friction, but the energy you must use to overcome the sticky spot also.

Omnibus

@CLaNZeR, buddy, what page did you post that darn video of the magnetic gun on? Can't find it. Sorry to bother you with this.

EDIT: I got it: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10034.msg265349#msg265349

This is a very important experiment. No wonder why the vid showing a similar magnetic gun has got over 5 mill in hits on youtube:
http://www.google.com/search?q=magnetic+gun&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

That's because such experiments show directly violation of CoE and therefore the imminent possibility to build a perpetuum mobile, producing excess energy continuously (production of excess energy discontinuously has already been proven conclusively).

Think about it - even when having an iron piece get attracted to a magnet and then removed an placed back where it was at the start we observe violation of CoE. When we remove an iron piece stuck to a magnet and remove it at a distance d from the magnet we not only impart potential energy to the iron piece, corresponding to it's position at distance d from the magnet, but also, inevitably, kinetic energy. The potential energy plus the kinetic energy imparted to the iron piece to get it at d will not be compensated when the iron piece travels spontaneously back from d to the surface of the magnet.

For the present analysis, however, we can neglect the kinetic energy imparted to the iron piece considering that we move it away from the magnet at infinitely slow rate. Nevertheless, the experiments with the magnetic gun still demonstrate violation of CoE. Indeed, removing the magnetic sphere from where it finds the minimum of the magnetic potential energy to where  it has its maximum (at infinite distance from the magnet which practically is a couple of centimeters away) will not at all be isotropic direction wise. In certain directions it will be more than in other directions. This has an obvious immediate application to our current project.

In order to take full advantage of the above fact we have to minimize the effect of gravity by balancing out, the way @Roobert33 has done it, the drum. The video of the drum you're presenting shows that your drum isn't balance yet. Mind you, balancing also has to include the cam. That's something we (I'm back in the states and will do as much as possible on this project too) should do first. The goal is to ensure that the excess energy we have gained when the construction reaches it's minimum of magnetic potential energy will be enough to overcome the sticky spot. That is possible theoretically, obviously, and what remains is to put into practice.


Omnibus

Quote from: wings on December 13, 2010, 11:50:01 AM
see this

http://web.mac.com/dear_someone/TURXATOR%E2%84%A2/Magnetism.html

This has been already discussed and it is pretty trivial -- moving along equipotential surfaces when friction is absent requires no work. No discovery here.

shylo

To Nihilanth sorry for the eratic typing I'm not very puter freindly......It was over 15 years ago when I tried that design ,Iworked on it for about 18 months before giving up tried everything I could think of..........To Low-Q....I thought if I could get the wheel to spin on its' own with just the proper arrangement , then adding electromagnets should be able to power wheel and have power left over for a given load.........the trick is to balance the gravity with magnetic force and momentum.........just my crazy thoughts.....shylo