Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output

[MarkE]

Al,


I see you are new here and have already fallen 'prey' to the resident FULL TIME SABOTEUR of this Forum!!


His "advise" is the most technically ABSURD post I ever had the misfortune to read since I started reading/posting on several forums more than 10 years ago!


It is downright CRAP!
ALL OF IT!
It is VERY clear that he has NO knowledge whatsoever about electrolysis and has NEVER made an electrolyser of any description in his miserable life!


The "game" he is PAID to play was already last several DECADES ago!
His performance is PATHETIC to the point of being embarrassing.


Now to the technical part.


The generator you have has the same rating as mine and a couple of friends' who are duplicating my WFGP.
The cell you have described is NOT big enough to run a generator of this size.


Basically, you have two options:
You could get two more cells like the one you already have and connect them in SERIES.
You then have 63 cells but may still need some current limiting, yes, capacitors but NOT 24.000µF!!
(24.000µF, my ASS!  What an idiot!)


or,


Make an electrolyser like mine but with 68 cells, which will become SELF-REGULATING.


If you wish to see HOW it is done, you should visit these links:


http://www.energy-shiftingparadigms.com/index.php/board,9.0.html


http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2578.msg41402;topicseen#msg41402


where you don't have to worry about saboteurs, they are on READ ONLY!


Cheers,
Les Banki

Les, rectifier / capacitor input line frequency filters are very simple and well understood mechanisms.  If you have difficulty with:  V_DROOP = Q/C, or C = Q/V_DROOP or that at 60Hz mains frequency, Q ~=8333us*I, there are plenty of references as well as circuit simulators that can be instructive.

Perhaps you would like to explain how adding the capacitor bank is going to "sabotage" his unit.

[stevie1001]

Marke, the typewriter of this forum......

Les is Right about the capacitor banks.
Dont use it.
I know this from my own builds and engine runs on 100% hho.
I also know why.
Now you do some research yourself and come with answers.....
Its right under your nose...
Strait DC or pulsed dc.....
The whole WHY question.

Les, your the man!

[MarkE]

Marke, the typewriter of this forum......

Les is Right about the capacitor banks.
Dont use it.
I know this from my own builds and engine runs on 100% hho.
I also know why.
Now you do some research yourself and come with answers.....
Its right under your nose...
Strait DC or pulsed dc.....
The whole WHY question.

Les, your the man!

If you don't mind getting only about 60%-65% of the output with the same transformer and rectifier, then by all means, forgo the capacitors and let the current build-up and collapse at 2X the mains frequency.  If you want to regulate with PWM it is a lot more effective to rectify a bus first and then PWM from that bus at a frequency of at least several kHz, than it is to make the mains your switching source.  When you PWM from a DC bus, you can shape the pulses anyway that you want, not just a raised cosine at 2X mains frequency.

[stevie1001]

If you don't mind getting only about 60%-65% of the output with the same transformer and rectifier, then by all means, forgo the capacitors and let the current build-up and collapse at 2X the mains frequency.  If you want to regulate with PWM it is a lot more effective to rectify a bus first and then PWM from that bus at a frequency of at least several kHz, than it is to make the mains your switching source.  When you PWM from a DC bus, you can shape the pulses anyway that you want, not just a raised cosine at 2X mains frequency.

Wrong direction of thinking.
This has nothing to do with efficiency or with current control to do.

[MarkE]

Wrong direction of thinking.
This has nothing to do with efficiency or with current control to do.

It has to do with the output gas capacity for a given size transformer.  If one likes bigger heavier transformers to produce less gas, then by all means leave the capacitors out and let the line collapse each half cycle.