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[Magluvin]

Butch,

Just an idea: What if you use permanent springs to force the discs together. The magnetic field in phase 2 will go through the solid bar, so the springs are now able to press the discs together. In phase 1 the discs are closest to the magnets and will be forced apart due to the like pole all the discs are facing. In this phase there is less steel to guide the magnetic flux, so the magnets want to use the solid parts of the rotor. So then the rotor rotates to ligne up the solid steel. Now, the discs are out of the magnetic field and the springs will overcome the magnetic force and compress the discs together again to make a "solid" steel. This will in turn let the rotor continue into phase 1 again, and the cycle repeats.

The delay in the mass of the discs will be sufficient to make an offset which will make sure of a stable and continous rotation.

Just some thoughts.

Vidar

Hey Vidar

Are you saying that the disks or plates will repel each other while in close proximity to the stator magnet pole?   Have you tried this?

Mags

[Magluvin]

Sorry, my last post may have seemed rude.  But if lets say we had iron filings instead of disks, would they separate when subject to the pole of a magnet? 
Id love to hear more if what you guys are talking about works.  Maybe I missed something

Mags

[Low-Q]

Sorry, my last post may have seemed rude.  But if lets say we had iron filings instead of disks, would they separate when subject to the pole of a magnet? 
Id love to hear more if what you guys are talking about works.  Maybe I missed something

Mags

It's OK No problem!

When you have a couple of iron discs stacked together, they want to separate in presence of a magnetic pole. This happens because all the discs are now small magnets with equal poles side by side. We know that equal poles repel eachother.

If the spring are not too hard on the discs, the magnetic field will try, end succeed in separating the discs to a sertain extent.

I have tried to stack a bunch of washers on a nonmagnetic rod. The washers will separate in presence of a magnetic pole.

Experiments also show that when the discs are separated, the attraction to the magnetic pole are greater. Hopefully, this will be compensated by outer discs which will in sum reduce the magnetic conductivity when the discs are separated so there will be greater attraction to the solid part of the rotor so it wants to rotate. When all the magnetic flux pass through the solid part, there will be less flux through the washers which in turn will be too little for the discs to be kept separated, so the spring will smash those discs together, making a solid iron part. At this phase, the rotor will freely continue to rotate because of the uniform rotor. A delay caused by the mass in the discs will allow the discs to separate "too late", so the rotor can rotate more than 90 degrees before they are fully separated. This delay also applies further, but that is a good thing as we want as much separation as possible for as long as possible to let the solid part of the rotor to enter a second round - then hopefully the rotor will continue.

However, I have a feeling that I have not taken into acount all important details about the real life physics, which will force the design to a stop anyways. I do hope for the best

Vidar

[Butch LaFonte]

Something everyone should keep in mind is that when the disks are touching the upper and lower bars or rather in slidding contact and are positioned directly under the magnet poles, there is no repulsion between them. The reason for this is that there is no air gap. The air gap is where all the repulsion takes place.
Butch

[Butch LaFonte]

When separated the outer parts have its greatest mass aligned with the magnetic field, and will not turn away, but will be kept locked in the magnetic field. I think your first example with the discs are better. If it works better i practice, I don't know.

Vidar

We found that the "locking force" on the outside elements is far less than the locking force on the center rotor.
So that is a net gain in energy. Will post video of tests tomorrow night.
Butch