Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

Slovenia · March 25, 2011, 09:28:05 PM

I'm leaning towards an egg shaped chamber to help direct a spiraling upward spinning vortex wave towards my receiver. Of course, the horn would be attached to the top end of the egg if that's what I finally decide on. Small end pointed in the up position.

Slovenia · March 25, 2011, 10:04:56 PM

March 23, 2011
Power1

Power To Be Gift, his transducer circuit described pretty well.

There are many ways of controlling frequency. It depends on what you
are using. I used 36 volts stepped up from 12v using a simple toroid
wound step up transformer. The same one they use in jewel thief light. My
frequency was controlled simply with a pot, rectifier, caps and a crystal
transistor was the only needed component.

petar113507 · March 26, 2011, 05:43:09 AM

Howdy. It's been a little while.

I had to kill off a midterm, so I am sorry for not having posted this stuff sooner, though I learned of this earlier in the week. After finishing some precalc/calc equations on that test -- I cannot express the sense of resentment, and dis-satisfaction I had with the theoretical problems I have completed, for a teacher to scribble a number on a page "45/50 points". I guess it just made sense to me that it didn't have a real connection to reality -- and that working instead with my hands -- seemed to be the real learning.

I do not know if anyone is experiencing anything similar -- I now consider my chemistry 109 Class to be a joke. If I could learn things like this for the rest of my life -- regardless of from whom it is taught (I hope to be teaching these things to myself eventually) -- I would be a very happy man.

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So, without further indulging in personal life -- here is some information (nuts and bolts) that I am not sure if everyone is clear on already. Hope it clears some stuff up.

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The Pizeo ceramic discs are specifically made to have a resonant frequency. The ones that come in the pond foggers already -- run at about 1.7 MHZ -- much too fast.

Putting them for an hour or two on several batches of crystals has destroyed most of their functionality. I do not know why they were destroyed -- I only know that after awhile, the batches go "dead", and no longer produce tiny HHO bubbles. To this extent, I am certain that you can get minute quantities of HHO -- I mentioned before that I can get a lighter to flicker.

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Experiment
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Get a baloon to test what kind of gas is comming out of the fuel chamber/tupperware. Light it on fire if you want a test "bang" (and if you don't have ear plugs -- get them. a very small quantity of air in the baloon will suffice -- If it "bangs" it is HHO, if not -- I don't know what to tell you. Also, A full baloon is very dangerous)

If you havent constructed a fuel chamber -- tupperware are cheap, and dispensible. Don't put the tupperware too close to the side of the transducer, it burns from the fogger, just like RadHHO showed. It's pretty nifty to burn it though to see what happens.

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I know at least, I dont want the crystals to be destroyed after a few hours of operation. So, This means, we will need a transducer which resonates around 45 KHZ. There are several different kinds you can get -- some for ultrasonic welding and cosmetic cavitation -- those are the ones which do not produce mist.

You CAN use these ones -- but you will need another pond fogger to produce the mist effect -- so that you have mist along with the HHO to burn inside the engine cylinder. This is a use for a secondary pond 1.7 MHZ fogger. Just to make the mist.

Here are Some examples of the 50 MM discs that run at 45 KHZ -- Look at the bottom of the page
http://www.steminc.com/SAMPLES_USA.asp?PZ_TYPE=PIEZO%20DISC

They're a little pricey, but if you dont want -- you can find similar ones on ebay if you want to rush ship it. They also come cheaper from overseas, at the cost of time in shipping.

I.E --
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/374131292/Ultrasonic_piezo_transducer_45Khz.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/424619797/ultrasonic_cleaning_transducer_45khz.html

Here's a little something that I couldn't find on the internet -- I had to talk to a technician for this bit of info. The pizeo foggers do not tune well. They are MADE to shake at a certain speed. If you tune it anything drastically past its frequency -- without compensating by increasing electrical power input (which, I do not know how to do safely) -- You will loose power to your wave amplitude. For the sake of making the setup the most efficient possible -- we need to look for a pizeo disc with (+/-)5 KHZ. So, either a 40-45 KHZ fogger should be good to tune with around the proper frequency. I would even think a 50KHZ might work, because you could tune it slightly out of resonance, with small power losses.

The reason we are looking for "around" 45 KHZ, is because we are looking to tune it within the resonant frequency -- so that we do not loose power in the amplitude of the waves we are creating.

Something else to look out for -- is the maximum power rating of the transducer. You will need a power circuit, and a transformer to be around that rating. (I would suggest slightly less, or spot on the max power rating).

You might even be able to hook up simply a different ceramic without much modification to the original 1.7 MHZ circuit. I have not yet tested this yet. When I do, I will post results -- for now, this was intended for a little bit of "food for thought".

If need be, I found a great local electronics shop where I got help with transformer winding. I might need a different transformer than the stock transformer that came with the original pond fogger. (Like powerme was saying all along... >.< )
I suggest also finding a local shop. Sincerely asking for help, because I did not understand completely what I was doing at the shop I went to -- the people were remarkably friendly and helpful.

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Something I wanna stress here:
The internet is by no means the limits to the ways you can find your solutions. Books, libraries, Phone books (to call companies who make electronics parts), electronics shops, engineers, professors -- If you do not give up and beleive that you are capable of finding a solution -- you will have the determination to poke around any knowledge-barrier. This is at least, my experience.
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I am also working on electroplating with a car battery and a pretty hefty resistor, instead of one of them power supplies. Much cheaper alternative.

If you are looking up electroplating, there IS a specific voltage and current input you're going to need to make it stick to a given surface area. You usually need a variable power source -- but I wanna do it cheaper, and can use my brain to calculate the necessary resistor values (with the help of a book). Hence, the resistor on the battery -- to reduce voltage and limit current flow, so that I do not "fry" my solution anymore. The crystals also become "dead" if you ram too many volts, or amps through it.

I don't have the volts or amps figures off the top of my head right now, but I found the value I needed in an electroplating hobbyist handbook. It was under "zinc electroplating" or "Zinc oxide electroplating".

I find it interesting that, though electricity is a dampened wave, It still can destroy the crystals functionality. (I.E -- Induce an undesirable phase change)

I am currently working on a book list to download and read -- I am now determined to accumulate all the works of Russel, Keeley, and Tesla. Does anyone know if there has already been a list of compiled works from either of those authors? If nobody answers, I'll find he answer soon enough anyways...

Also, Just a tangent Has anyone ever seen keeley's acoustic charts, and compared to Russel's charts? They're awfully similar. (Or, the charts from code 144.com? -- posted @ energetic forums about leedskalinin)

I found that reading keeley after being in trance (meditating, bineural, or hypnosis) -- makes it much easier to understand. After reading it, I only know that it makes sense to me. I do not know how -- But I only know that I get a "feel" for what the author meant, and then I understand. Does anyone else get this? Does anyone know what this is?? This is a curious matter for me, as I want to understand why It makes sense to me, and sometimes not my friends whom I tell about these things.

Anyways, While I am waiting for the foggers with the correct resonant frequency to come in the mail -- I will be using the 1.7 MHZ fogger ceramic to make a fuel atomizer, so that I can begin tweaking my engine to run on a water-mist/gasoline mixture as is. Some of powerme's general figures said that his friend was able to reduce by 30% gasoline with the atomizer. This will be a target figure for me to investigate tomorrow and sunday.

I begin testing tomorrow after I can bike down the the auto store for the fuel-can, and fuel-line tubing.

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Guys, if you ARE experimenting with this -- I would highly appreciate it if you Post your setups, and READ CAREFULLY what powerme said.

Most of the questions, or recent posts I have seen in this thread seem to be fluff -- repeating what powerme has said -- or someone else going "Aha! This is what he meant!" When the answer has laid in front of us all along. That isn't exactly learning -- that's reading more carefully what should have been read in the first place. I'm personally trying NOT to ask powerme direct questions and work with what I have, because I feel like that's pestering him for information that he already may have said. I know I sure don't like to repeat myself.

Plus -- I figure -- what if Powerme decides to leave? I would not like this, because I am still trying to process, and understand the information -- but the bottom line is, I need to be able to collect my information myself. Like the bailout with the US auto industry, and foreign trade regulations/taxes on foreign import cars -- It's only hurting the companies who are getting the "easy way out" in the end.

I can only imagine that it would be frustrating to see this thread post little progress -- and seem to be floundering through the information we have been given. I at least, know that my patients gets thinner when I desire something to be done quickly.

I am trying to fill in some gaps that powerme left in his information, with answers that I have encountered in my research. I hope this is helpful, and that it encourages other people get caught up to speed on the project,

==Romo

Slovenia · March 26, 2011, 07:09:24 AM

Hi Romo,

Great to have you back. I've been trying to keep the thread alive on both Energetic and here at OU, so I have reposted some Power1 information that I thought some of the others may have missed. As you said everybody ought to have got it the first time, but some guys don't read everything posted and then they don't go back and study the old posts. So, much information is missed and I was just trying to help in that area. I don't want the thread to die, because I think Power To Be has a lot more to share if we'll show him some success in our experiments, (i.e.: producing the crystals to his specifications and building a test cell to his specifications). I for one, what to have a look at this 10 Kw free energy machine he made reference to. Anyway, I also wanted to show Power To Be that there is still interest in his project so he'll keep visiting this thread and helping us from time to time.

Thanks for all you have shared!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Slovenia · March 26, 2011, 07:25:02 AM

I've been working in this area too with regard to the meditating. I'll try the bineural too now. Thanks for sharing this. The bineural really put me into a relaxed state where I'm not much good for anything all day long, so I don't do them during the day ordinarily.

Quote from: petar113507 on March 26, 2011, 05:43:09 AM

I found that reading keeley after being in trance (meditating, bineural, or hypnosis) -- makes it much easier to understand. After reading it, I only know that it makes sense to me. I do not know how -- But I only know that I get a "feel" for what the author meant, and then I understand. Does anyone else get this? Does anyone know what this is?? This is a curious matter for me, as I want to understand why It makes sense to me, and sometimes not my friends whom I tell about these things.