Rosemary Ainslie circuit demonstration on Saturday March 12th 2011

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Rosemary,

In all seriousness, are you prepared to state officially for the record that you believe that what you stated in reply #1701 in this thread is a true and accurate statement of your beliefs regarding the battery technology you are using in your circuit ?

Please confirm... PLEASE!

You've already referenced 1701.  Not sure of your point.  Are you asking me if the measured voltage across a battery is INDICATIVE OF IT'S CHARGE?  I certainly HOPE SO.  Or why do we EVER bother to measure battery voltage.  I think it can all rest happy on the evidence of the average calibrated volt meter? 

Rosemary

[Rosemary Ainslie]

And just in case this post was missed.  Here it is again.

MaNag.  Let me see if I can get through to you.  AGAIN.  It is an ENTIRE waste of time to run the batteries at a LOW wattage.  It would take YEARS to complete that test.  It is POSSIBLY worthwhile to run it at HIGH wattage.  Then we could run that test against a control.  NOW TRY AND GET YOUR MIND AROUND THIS.  We have 2 banks of batteries.  They are BOTH running at the same temperature.  The one is connected in series with batteries.  The test is running with a switch.  WHEN the CONTROL BATTERIES ARE DEAD - and IF OUR TEST BATTERIES ARE STILL FULLY CHARGED - then the test is CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN. 

BUT.  To run this test I firstly need another resistor element - carefully modified that it is running at an IDENTICAL temperature.  Then I need to buy another 5 BATTERIES.  THEN.  BECAUSE WE'LL BE RUNNING THIS TEST AT A HIGHER WATTAGE LEVEL THEN TWO THINGS WILL HAPPEN.  BOTH TESTS WILL BE BOILING THAT WATER SO THEY WILL BOTH NEED TO BE CONTINUALLY TOPPED UP.

THEN.  Much more to the point.  NOTA BENE MaNag, THERE IS SO MUCH ENERGY ON OUR CIRCUIT THAT, NOTWITHSTANDING THE STRENGTH OF AN APPLIED SIGNAL AT THE GATE - THIS INCREASES.  WHEN IT INCREASES IT REQUIRES AN ADJUSTMENT.  TO KNOW THAT IT INCREASES WE NEED A PROBE ACROSS THAT SHUNT RESISTOR AND WE NEED AN OSCILLOSCOPE ATTACHED TO THAT PROBE.  AND WE NEED A HIGH BANDWIDTH OSCILLOSCOPE OR WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO READ THE APPROPRIATE VOLTAGE ACROSS THE SHUNT RESISTOR.  THEREFORE.  IF WE DO NOT MONITOR THE TEST CONDITIONS CONTINUOUSLY THEN EVERYTHING MAY JUST GO UP IN SMOKE.  THEN WE WILL HAVE NO OSCILLOSCOPE - NO PROBES - NO TEST RESULTS - NOTHING AT ALL FOR ALL OUR EFFORTS.

IT NEEDS MONITORING.

Rosemary

I see now that you have the same problem as Cat.  You simply can't read.  Here it is again.  Address those points ONLY because you keep on keeping on about tests that you require.  This is the ONLY test that will answer the question.  NOW.  UNTIL YOU CAN MANAGE SOME WAY AROUND THE 'MONITORING' - THEN MY OBJECTIONS HOLD.

Rosemary

[evolvingape]

Rosemary,

In all seriousness, are you prepared to state officially for the record that you believe that what you stated in reply #1701 in this thread is a true and accurate statement of your beliefs regarding the battery technology you are using in your circuit ?

Please confirm... PLEASE!

RM

After 30 secs googling, knowing what I was looking for, I found this:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=130930223624230&topic=195

1. If the battery has just been charged or if the vehicle has been driven recently, it is necessary to remove the surface charge from the battery before testing. A surface charge is a charge of higher-than-normal voltage that is just on the surface of the battery plates. The surface charge is quickly removed when the battery is loaded and therefore does not accurately represent the true state of charge of the battery."

You have an un-regulated charging circuit with high frequency, high amplitude current spikes running while you are taking your voltage readings... CORRECT ?

RM

[MrMag]

And just in case this post was missed.  Here it is again.

MaNag.  Let me see if I can get through to you.  AGAIN.  It is an ENTIRE waste of time to run the batteries at a LOW wattage. It would take YEARS to complete that test.

How can you claim that you are charging the batteries if you don't perform this test.

It is POSSIBLY worthwhile to run it at HIGH wattage.  Then we could run that test against a control.  NOW TRY AND GET YOUR MIND AROUND THIS.  We have 2 banks of batteries.  They are BOTH running at the same temperature.  The one is connected in series with batteries.  The test is running with a switch.  WHEN the CONTROL BATTERIES ARE DEAD - and IF OUR TEST BATTERIES ARE STILL FULLY CHARGED - then the test is CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN. 

First of all, you cannot change the test parameters that you used previously as when the batteries run down, you will have all kinds of reasons for it. Secondly, "We have 2 banks of batteries.  They are BOTH running at the same temperature.  The one is connected in series with batteries." Huh??? If you really want me to understand, i think you need to do better then this.

BUT.  To run this test I firstly need another resistor element - carefully modified that it is running at an IDENTICAL temperature.  Then I need to buy another 5 BATTERIES.  THEN.  BECAUSE WE'LL BE RUNNING THIS TEST AT A HIGHER WATTAGE LEVEL THEN TWO THINGS WILL HAPPEN.  BOTH TESTS WILL BE BOILING THAT WATER SO THEY WILL BOTH NEED TO BE CONTINUALLY TOPPED UP.

You are trying to make this more complicated then necessary. Do you really need to boil water or could you use something like glycol or oil? I am not sure of the boiling point or either but I would expect that either one would be acceptable.

THEN.  Much more to the point.  NOTA BENE MaNag, THERE IS SO MUCH ENERGY ON OUR CIRCUIT THAT, NOTWITHSTANDING THE STRENGTH OF AN APPLIED SIGNAL AT THE GATE - THIS INCREASES.

Your first paragraph says that you are running at low wattage. Now there is so much energy in the circuit???

TO KNOW THAT IT INCREASES WE NEED A PROBE ACROSS THAT SHUNT RESISTOR AND WE NEED AN OSCILLOSCOPE ATTACHED TO THAT PROBE.  AND WE NEED A HIGH BANDWIDTH OSCILLOSCOPE OR WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO READ THE APPROPRIATE VOLTAGE ACROSS THE SHUNT RESISTOR.  THEREFORE.  IF WE DO NOT MONITOR THE TEST CONDITIONS CONTINUOUSLY THEN EVERYTHING MAY JUST GO UP IN SMOKE.  THEN WE WILL HAVE NO OSCILLOSCOPE - NO PROBES - NO TEST RESULTS - NOTHING AT ALL FOR ALL OUR EFFORTS.
IT NEEDS MONITORING.[/b]

Rosemary

I really don't understand why in the last 10 years that you couldn't of made modifications to the circuit so that it could run without burning up. Sounds to me like your to busy trying to make a name for yourself then to develop a workable circuit.

[MrMag]

I see now that you have the same problem as Cat.  You simply can't read.   

Rosemary

NO rose, you have the same problem as Wilby. You want to pick and chose which post is under discussion. I have attached the post in which my comments were in reference to.

"Guys - let me see if I can put this back into perspective.  Cat is SO bored with this subject that he reads nothing and simply posts the same thing over and over again.  To add to the general repetition we have MaNag echoing every feeble objection he can find.  Then - to top it all -  we've got evolvingape not only indulging in x rated fantasies - but presuming to tell all five of us to DROP THIS WORK and concentrate on his own best interests.

Do you really think that any of this merits any kind of  attention?  Just let this thread alone - JUST FOR A COUPLE MORE WEEKS.  Then I'll be here - BOOTS AND ALL - and will argue everything to the death.  Right now I need a break.

Rosemary"