Joerg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging

[gyulasun]

Hi Folks,

When he charges up a supercap to 20V within 1 second via that piece of wire, what he measures with the clamp meter is the initial peak current which exponentially should decrease as the cap charges up from its 0.1 -  0.2 V (say zero) to the 20V. What is important is the time and a decreasing current till the full charge up. I believe the wire has no time to heat up, it surely warms up to a certain degree, an infra camera or a direct touching thermometer would surely show the new temperature, (possibly a few degrees C higher than the room temp).

In case of a power supply however there are at least two factors to be considered:
1) the inner resistance of the power supply compared to the series Li cells inner resistance
2) the output voltage of the power supply does not decrease exponentially and it surely maintain the voltage he adjusted it to get the same peak current he read from the clamp meter. So the power supply is able to feed much more power to the same wire, hence it can melt...

I do not question the magnets may change something inside the Li batteries and may increase its capacity but the 'proof' with this wire test versus the power supply is not a good one.

Gyula

Hi All,

I did read some more reading of the patents that are available. There is a remarkable thing he noticed using the prepared ion cells.
According to him, a clamp meter will read a current in the thin wire that should have melted the wire! But it doesn't!!
If he then uses a current, from a power supply, that is equal to what the clamp meter read, the wire will melt!

So it seems to generate a magnetic field around the wire that is much stronger than the actual current flow would suggest.

This is why he says that the "loading-signal" has different properties than "normal" current.....
It "signals" to the cap or battery to separate charges.....

regards,

Dutchy

[dutchy1966]

Hi Folks,

When he charges up a supercap to 20V within 1 second via that piece of wire, what he measures with the clamp meter is the initial peak current which exponentially should decrease as the cap charges up from its 0.1 -  0.2 V (say zero) to the 20V.

Gyula

Hi Gyula,

The initial peak current from a dead Ion cell?? Besides the measurement is also done on charging dead motorbike batteries, which are fully charged in 20 minutes.
Secondly, I don't think it's peak current because he (Hempel) would know about that. He is well versed in the matter. See his youtube video about his lab and the equipment he works with..... He's not a rookie.

Anyway, there is not much more info about it in the patents so I guess we won't know.....

regards,

Dutchy

[gyulasun]

Hi Dutchy,

Sorry, misunderstanding,  I did not know you meant a dead Ion cell when you mentioned "prepared ion cells" in your last but one post...  Is it known how much voltage is involved across the dead Ion cell? Just around some hundred mV?

I thought of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAtqPL_maeg where he showed charging a supercap to 20V from the 'magic' Li cells via the piece of wire and the wire did not melt, then he discharged the supercap by the piece of wire and it melted first, then got red hot till all the charge was consumed from the cap.
So I believed that in the case of the test you referred to, (and it is not in this video) he measured the peak current when he charged up the cap, then he used the power supply set to a voltage which insures the same initial peak current, this is all.

Gyula

Hi Gyula,

The initial peak current from a dead Ion cell?? Besides the measurement is also done on charging dead motorbike batteries, which are fully charged in 20 minutes.
Secondly, I don't think it's peak current because he (Hempel) would know about that. He is well versed in the matter. See his youtube video about his lab and the equipment he works with..... He's not a rookie.

Anyway, there is not much more info about it in the patents so I guess we won't know.....

regards,

Dutchy

[wings]

Hi Wings,

Seeing this effect is also present from dead cells, which would mean there is no charge current, are you saying it might be pure spin current thats going down the wire? And that doesn't heat up the wire apparently....

regards,

Dutchy

strange use of a magnetic effect

free speaking .... some effect of spin current can explain wire vibration in TPU experiment rapid variation of signal voltage with no current at all (Einstein-De Haas effect) http://www.zeitnews.org/chemistry-physics-and-material-sciences-research/could-the-combination-of-general-relativity-and-quantum-mechanics-lead-to-spintronics.html

My feeling is that spin is the first effect when you apply a potential (need less energy you have to align spin not move electron or ion , less energy?) 

[dutchy1966]

Hi Dutchy,

Sorry, misunderstanding,  I did not know you meant a dead Ion cell when you mentioned "prepared ion cells" in your last but one post...  Is it known how much voltage is involved across the dead Ion cell? Just around some hundred mV?

Gyula

Hi Gyula,

No problem about the misunderstanding. In his patents he says that the ion cells are drained through a load and when theyre dead they are also still shorted for a while..... So the voltage can't be much.
He also states that is doesn't really matter if the cells are charged or not... apperently the affect doesn't come from the charge.

Maybe it has something to do with spin current as Wings suggested....

Dutchy