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Joerg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging

Started by hartiberlin, March 03, 2011, 08:08:48 PM

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i_ron

Quote from: i_ron on March 05, 2011, 11:13:27 AM


More unobtainium???

Ron


Using two CGR18650HM cells from an old IBM laptop...and various combinations of magnets and caps I was unable to see any effect whatsoever...same as bolt

Ron




bolt

Quote from: neptune on March 05, 2011, 01:30:58 PM
My thoughts so far .There is quite a lot of information in the patent . However ,there are still unknowns . Firstly , the magnetic strip .In my opinion , any tape sold in A and B versions is not suitable . The field orientation will be wrong . What is needed is tape with magnetic material only on the edges . I reach this conclusion from the patent diagrams . Given a "conditioned" cell or battery , we need to test the device . The easy test is to charge a very large cap through a very thin wire .Perhaps if we time how long the cap takes to charge it is possible to calculate the average current needed to charge it in this time . We could then subject the same wire to that current for the same time , and see if it melts . If it does , we know something strange is happening .If I am not mistaken , this device is patented in the USA. I suspect that to get a patent , no demonstration would be required . as long as no claim was made of overunity or perpetual motion .However , if this effect is not real , what would be the point of spending thousands of dollars on a patent .With its vast potential in the market place , why are manufacturers not queuing up to buy it ? As allways , more questions than answers .

There appears to be patent claims and patent applications over some time period. In the early application gives more detail on battery conditioning but the conclusion is ONLY an increase of some 25% capacity when the cells are preconditioned, shorted and magnetised. Its only when  granted later patent is secured it reveals the "OU super charging" effect on batteries and capacitors. I believe this was a LATER discovery when more tests were done on the battery capacity when magnetised and it was a pure accidental discovery that the caps could be charged and full recovery of motorbike battery.

If this is true and i think it is the case then it means the old conditioning process no longer applies and indeed the later patent backs this as a claim where it states batteries of normal full capacity  OR 100% depleted can be used after protection circuit removed. Because the later discovery is no longer seeking a NORMAL charge and the 25% increase in conventional charge characteristics no longer applies!

I spent a while looking at this magnetic flexible stuff and like you i thought the polarity   was wrong. The patent is very misleading. It shows the tape as having a north edge and a south edge. BUT no such tape exists i can find as my prior post. When you look at the video then compare the patent all becomes clear. Its not ONE tape with a north and south edge its TWO bits of tape with a gap in the middle as per the box on the table. The patent is drawn pointing to a north and south edge but it means TWO separate A and B  strips! Knowing this now makes perfect sense as the tape is positioned over cells polarising the ends to magnetise the ions.

The cylinder batteries i have no idea what that is doing there as they don't connect anywhere because all the lithium cells are in the rectangular chocolate coloured  block covered in strips of North A strips and B south strips magnetic tape below. So the top side in freeze frame you can see a strip NORTH A then a copper looking gap in the middle then a Strip SOUTH B in the patent appears as ONE tape but this is NOT the case. For a start,  tape of this characteristics would have NO practical  purpose contrary to patent info states COMMON magnetic tape found everywhere. 

So go on ebay now you can buy A north and B south magnetic strips for about 1.50 per ft.

bolt

Quote from: i_ron on March 05, 2011, 06:28:19 PM
Using two CGR18650HM cells from an old IBM laptop...and various combinations of magnets and caps I was unable to see any effect whatsoever...same as bolt

Ron

You mean to tell me you cant run your house and car of it then? Well im shocked:)

hartiberlin

Quote from: dutchy1966 on March 05, 2011, 07:56:00 AM
Hi,

Some more thoughts and questions....

If you watch the video in detail you can see the " cell pack" laying on a plastic container which has all wires going in and coming out.
So far so good, but later on in the video he takes the "cell pack" off the container and then puts it back on. You can clearly see that the "cell pack"is NOT connected to the container with any wires! So WTF is going on?

Then another thing... In the video you can see a whiteboard behind him which shows a schematic which seems to represent the setup on the table.
Note that the video is available on YT in 1080p quality and the schematic can be seen quite well in certain shots!

The more I look into it the weirder it gets....

regards

Dutchy

Hi Dutchy,
yes, I think this in alufoil coated zylinder does not have much effect, as it is not connected or is only
connected via one pole to the copper foil below.

Also all the small coils of the white wire there are probably only there to distract
possible investors from the real Li-accumulators being inside the magnet bars there on the
table.
The real plus and minus pole are these copper rods that stand vertically and from where the 2 small
copper wires go away to the other 2 lead acid batteries and to the manual switch.

I am in contact with one of his spokes persons and they wanted soon to post another video.
I hope that they will do this soon.

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

neptune

@bolt . If your observations are correct , and I have no reason to doubt them , Then a basic proof of concept experiment becomes much easier . All you need to do is discharge the Li-ion cell/battery ,through a resistor , and finally short circuit it , and confirm zero volts . Then fit the magnetic strips as you describe , and finally try to charge an electrolytic cap with it . If this works , try charging a depleted lead acid battery . Would you agree ?