The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[e2matrix]

It might be worth considering for those in the U.S. to look at Metglas.com to see if they have an equivalent for the M-416.  Metglas is a quality manufacturer of high permeability toroid cores as well as other related things and have been used by numerous energy researchers.  It would likely save a lot on shipping as well as possible cost savings due to dollar conversion.  And keep the $$ in the U.S.

[Mavendex]

@FatBird

Thanks for the info on triacs / SCRs.   If we can figure out the input/output phase relationships with the AC  (they are in phase) and we can do proper current limiting with a fuse, maybe it will be possible to do closed loop mode without complicated electronics.

16 awg is max 22 amps for chassis wiring, and 3.7 amps for power transmission.  So maybe fuse the primary with a 10 or 20amp fuse?

http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm

If I manage to get a replication of the effect I'll probably scope the input and output phase to make sure we know the phase relationships.

@all

I called up Jeff at L&S Industries yesterday, but he didn't seem to recognize the part I was asking about (the rolled steel half-toroid).  I sent him a couple of pictures and I'm going to call him back to today.

As for the M-416 toroid, I was planning on ordering that today as well.  We'll see how good my German is, haha.  Maybe I'll Google translate  "I want to order the M-416 toroid please; I am a dumb American take my money"

I just called him and told him its ok, to open source this. hes cool with it and is in the process of getting my tooling modified for the form fitting piece.

[wayne49s]

It might be worth considering for those in the U.S. to look at Metglas.com to see if they have an equivalent for the M-416.  Metglas is a quality manufacturer of high permeability toroid cores as well as other related things and have been used by numerous energy researchers.  It would likely save a lot on shipping as well as possible cost savings due to dollar conversion.  And keep the $$ in the U.S.

I tried, but couldn't find an exact match.

@Mav
Thanks for letting Jeff know. I'll call him today.

[Feynman]

I just called Magnetec, yeah, they say use the web store.   Talking on the phone with them was hillarious!  The answered the phone in German but they spoke English.  I had to slow down my rapid-talking American East Coast accent so they could understand me.  They were really friendly btw.

Use the Vebb Store for ordering!     They said that's the easiest way.  They also take International money wire and Paypal, so you can also do email orders that way.

Anyway, I ordered an M-416 (150 Euro) and an M-412 (50 Euro).  After ordering and selecting Paypal, the total was 240 Euro, so the total for the two cores was $348 with shipping. 

The M-412 is just a smaller version of the M-416, but has similar specs (permeability, saturation, etc). I'm going to use the M-416 as a production unit ,  and the M-412 for general experiments.  If this whole thing turns out to be a bust (measurement error or something), I can re-use these cores for other toroidal power experiments like the Boyce TPU replication.

But I honestly think we've got something here, or else I wouldn't be so eager to drop $350 on Nanoperm cores.  Worst case , the cores can be reused for HV pulsed DC experiments.

Oh also, the woman I spoke to on the phone at Magnetec, Diana, said you can probably substitute the M-116 if they run out of stock of the M-416 (it's the same size, just of slightly differing permeability (M-116 is approx. double the permeability, half the saturation level)

Here's the specs of their "Universal" cores:
http://www.magnetec.de/eng/universal-kerne1.htm


@wayne, @e2matrix

Can you link me to the Metglas toroidal material / core that you think most closely matches David's Nanoperm core?  You guys probably know more about these specs than I do, I'm learning as I go here... 

[teslaalset]

I've been looking a bit more in detail how the device is suppose to work, and I don't believe this device works according to Thane's approach. To avoid the BEMF to the primary, Thane's approach was to move some of the magnetic flux from the secondary to a separate core (the secondary core). This requires that the secondary coil be wound over the 2 cores as pictured above. If you look at the Garbriel device, it is exactly the opposite; it is the primary core that encapsulates the 2 cores concentrically. According to Faraday's law, the magnetic flux from the secondary coil will impact and generate a BEMF in the primary coil since the primary coil turns are wrapped over the secondary core also.

If we were to apply Thane's approach to the toroid configuration, the primary and secondary coils would be switched (i.e. the primary on the inside toroid), and the higher permeability core on the outside also. In this way the outside secondary core would absorb most of the secondary flux and not impact on the interior primary coil to generate the BEMF.

Assuming we can replicate the results, it may be a lot tougher to explain how the device works, lol! If anyone sees something wrong in the analysis, let me know.

/Wayne

Hi Wayne,

I'll have a look at his claims just to make sure.

I am not sure I understand the meaning of the primary core, the metal donut shell.
If I am correct this can be a plastic shell as well? Maybe even preferred....