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The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

Started by Feynman, March 22, 2011, 04:07:09 PM

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SchubertReijiMaigo

Good work, it looks like permeability gradient is necessary like the Heins effect, my replication version is like your first, with a nanoperm core (u=30000), and waiting the shield, the permeability of fully saturated metal (for the outer core)  is 1 no ? This is a 100 buck question here !!!
I have read somewere the reluctance ratio between the two material must be at least 10000 to obtain a powerful Heins effect !!!

Edit: Or maybe the primary inductance is too low (due to the low permeability of inner core) the voltage cannot build up...
You have put the 120 VAC and a ballast like first version ?

Mavendex

No I found if you use low volts and higher amps like 5-10 volts in and 10 amps you will get a good return.

although your outer windings should employ a low ohmic value to get that anywhere from .3-.5 so a low gauge of wire in the 12-9 area to get the amount of turns needed should get you where you want to be.

If we have a 30k perm innercore it would be a good forthought to try and make a shell out of silicon transformer steel because its permeability is in the 4k range, this should allow for higher conduction of the magnetic field to the inner windings and charge the innercore up.

at least thats my guess, I have a silicon steel transformer shell in the works but will take some time to get it finished unfortunately.

SchubertReijiMaigo

Thanks for responce, I can't tell you anything for this time since I have not tested in reality, but I have prepared a protocol to test different situation with this version. I have an intuition: you maybe have right about low volts an high amps: I have tested some saturated transformer, no FE of course but strange thing like when you put a load, input current decrease, and if you add more load: input current will rise again... (The measurement was made with a bulb in serie to the primary, crude of course but give some preview of what's happening.)

Unfortunately I have not lamination to test your idea, but mild steel toroid I have bought on Ebay.
I have no idea how much u have this thing...

So when test will be done (successful or not) everything will be published here (protocols, formulas, etc, etc) but at this present time this just speculation and idea of my part.

Good luck.

Mavendex

I would suspect that the transformer operating in saturated mode would act as a magnetic capacitor, this would be the reason why the amp draw would decrease then increase,

Example the load would decrease overall input due to the fact that the saturated metal is already at capacity and that would get transfered in to the load, then you add more load the capacitor has been depleted and then requests more energy from the input.

Here is much the same thing only we have a secondary core to deal with that is feeding the intial process. as we increase load on the transformer we would essentially have the same "Heins effect", thicker shells would infact give us more domains to saturate and thus give us a better capacitor that we could then deplete more until it more energy is requested.

The nice thing about that theory is we wouldn't necessarily need more energy to saturate the core but we would have more to draw off of because of increased domains in the shell.

SchubertReijiMaigo

Hello again,

QuoteI would suspect that the transformer operating in saturated mode would act as a magnetic capacitor, this would be the reason why the amp draw would decrease then increase,

I don't know, as far I know a saturated trafo create a lot of harmonics in the network, typically harmonics 3 (due to the non linear region of the BH curve...)

But yes energy is stored in form of (reactive) current with those harmonics and phase lag voltage/current is 90° PF=0.

QuoteHere is much the same thing only we have a secondary core to deal with that is feeding the intial process. as we increase load on the transformer we would essentially have the same "Heins effect", thicker shells would infact give us more domains to saturate and thus give us a better capacitor that we could then deplete more until it more energy is requested.

I have nearly same speculation about this: we must saturate the inner and outer core to create VARS with harmonics, and when you put load the VARS decrease in proportion with the real power consumed at secondary, ie if with no load you have 10 amps at 120 VAC you can extract freely 10 amps at 120 VAC (assuming 1:1 turns ratio) if you want more energy we must saturate more the inner core to create more extractable VARS...

For the shell I think this is the contrary, a thinner screen to saturate it easily but also the inner to create VARS like above.

We have roughly a VARS to WATTS converter...
And it is less related to the Heins effect in this case...

So just a theory about this test will be needed to confirm or infirm this of course !!!

Last thing in your experiment you have no flux transfer in either direction, I have thought about this last night: your shell is very thick and maybe the flux will not saturate the shell and cannot magnetize the inner core ?

Just my 2 cents.