The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[kampen]

The Gabriel Device wiring diagram:

[Feynman]

Mav, sorry for asking again,

if it's rolled steel it most likely is not magnetic, for instance stainless steel is absolutely NON magnetic, so my question is does a magnet stick to the steel donut? (easiest way to find out)

If it actually is not magnetic than even a wood donut would do. Anything that keeps the primary winding at a certain distance from the secondary.

Mario

Steel's magnetic properties depend very much on how it was made, etc.    But steel is almost always somewhat magnetic. 

What depends is the relative permeability  , u,  (technically u/u0).  Steel can vary significantly in magnetic permeability from u=50 to u=4000.

See the permeability chart I posted earlier...

And See here:

Generally speaking, yes, steel is magnetic. But it should be noted that there are a number of steels that are not magnetic. It is necessary to identify a type of steel before inquiring about its magnetic characteristics.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_steel_magnetic

and

Generally the higher the nickel content the less magnetic.
All stainless steels will effect a compass but austenitic (300 series) won't stick to a magnet
...
The 400 series stainless steel (martinsetic, e.g., 440C stainless) is generally magnetic, while the 300 series (austinetic, e.g., 304 and 316) is not.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=305611

Incidentally, Electrical steel and Cold-rolled steel have higher magnetic permeability than regular steel.


Now , if the device does not require magnet permeability on the outer primary shell, but requires low-to-moderate resistivity (decent conductivity), then copper would be a good choice for the outer primary since it's non-magnetic (low magnetic permeability).

I wondered myself if wood would work, but I think we are dealing with some sort of relative flux / Faraday-type phenomenon.   I think it's something to do with the ratios of magnetic permeability / electrical resistivity on the concentric toroids.  The only way to know for sure is to test .

@kampen

Thanks for doing that schematic; I believe yours is more accurate than the one I drew up.  I think my schematic had an error because the toaster was not in series.  Your schematic should be used as a reference instead.

[Montec]

Hello all
I may have an explanation for the observed effects. Watt meters and amp meters use effective resistance of a circuit to come up with a value. In this circuit that includes the inductive reactance from the coil and resistance from the toaster in series. If you change the inductive reactance of the coil then you change the effective resistance seen by the watt meter. So for a given input voltage when you increase the resistance the current decreases.

So when a load is plugged in on the second "Kill-O-Wat" you are changing the inductive reactance of the coil. Most likely the resistance of the load is being reflected back through the coil. So in effect this circuit is playing with the power triangle between apparent power, reactive power and active power.

[Goat]

Hello all
I may have an explanation for the observed effects. Watt meters and amp meters use effective resistance of a circuit to come up with a value. In this circuit that includes the inductive reactance from the coil and resistance from the toaster in series. If you change the inductive reactance of the coil then you change the effective resistance seen by the watt meter. So for a given input voltage when you increase the resistance the current decreases.

So when a load is plugged in on the second "Kill-O-Wat" you are changing the inductive reactance of the coil. Most likely the resistance of the load is being reflected back through the coil. So in effect this circuit is playing with the power triangle between apparent power, reactive power and active power.

@ Feynman/Montec & All

I've been watching this thread since the start and my original observation was that it looked promising but there's always that nagging measurement question, and this is where Montec might be right.

The only way to end the dispute about measurement errors in my mind (2 cents worth) would be to run the Gabriel Device using a battery and 12V DC/120 AC inverter and measure the C20 drain on the input battery while also charging a battery (or set of batteries) at the output and then switch batteries from the output to the input.  Eventually all batteries would either charge or fall flat while running the toaster at the input.

This method although not perfect because of all the losses between the AC inverter at the input and a battery charging transformer at the output would create a drain on the system but if it really is a COP=8 unit it should be able to demonstrate OU off the grid and prove itself capable of running itself while producing extra energy.

Regards,
Paul

 

[Feynman]

Hello all
I may have an explanation for the observed effects. Watt meters and amp meters use effective resistance of a circuit to come up with a value. In this circuit that includes the inductive reactance from the coil and resistance from the toaster in series. If you change the inductive reactance of the coil then you change the effective resistance seen by the watt meter. So for a given input voltage when you increase the resistance the current decreases.

So when a load is plugged in on the second "Kill-O-Wat" you are changing the inductive reactance of the coil. Most likely the resistance of the load is being reflected back through the coil. So in effect this circuit is playing with the power triangle between apparent power, reactive power and active power.

Interesting.  This is a good theory , one which may put the device into the 'measurement error' category.

Would a current clamp-on meter on one of the input wires exclude this possibility?  This will directly measure induced flux, and give a secondary measure of power consumption by non-invasively measuring the current.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_clamp

ATD Tools ATD 5592 60 Amp AC/DC Current Clamp

$103 online   

Compatible with many lab scopes and graphing multimeters. Use to generate current waveforms for diagnostic analysis. Also works great with digital multimeters. Small jaw opening of 3/8 or 9mm works in tight spaces. Low battery indication. Measure range: 0-60 Amps AC/DC with resolution of .01a.

http://www.amazon.com/Advanced-Tool-Design-ATD-5592-Current/dp/B000OV31J2


P.S.  Some good data would be to measure the inductance and resistance of the unloaded primary, the toaster dummy load, the toaster dummy load plus primary, the unloaded secondary, and the loaded secondary.