The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[JouleSeeker]

Attached -- a photo is worth a thousand words...  "Captain Jack" shows a coil winder for the Gabriel device -- very impressive!
I think we may be getting the cart before the horse just a bit, in that we still lack solid QUANTITATIVE measurements of Pinput and Poutput (IIRC), but I think he has a good idea for the future!! 

Knowing that there exist devices to wind toroids "automatically" is a great relief in some sense... I'm getting a bit tired of winding toroids by hand myself.

I did a screen capture, so you can see the url at the top...
Thanks to a neighbor in town, DanL, for showing me this one.

[Mavendex]

Mass is definitely involved, less mass on the secondary will have less reactant. We are getting about 288 for a voltage cap with secondary windings. Can only pull 300 watts or so out of the machine at a loss vs. the 14 awg or 16 awg wire which was getting much better reactivity with same length of wire. I would like to add that the 14 and 16 gauge also were setting at about the same voltage levels when started up.

Another 1600 feet will get us a higher level of sustainable voltage. Then we will see where we are again.

So we will add more mass to the secondary fill out the cavity which should get our voltages up fill it out and capture the magnetix.

Mav

[JouleSeeker]

  Mags' suggestion regarding rods/tubes for  the Gabriel build, in order to facilitate winding and experimentation, got me thinking.
 
    I agree strongly with Mags that we need experiments to find out things -- especially -
  What affects the Power-out/P-in ratio?
1.  the magnetic permeability mu of the core?
2.  the magnetic permeability mu of the outer shell?
3.  the ratio mu-core/mu-shell?
4.  the FREQUENCY of operation?
5.  the MASS of the windings on the core?  shell?
6.  ratio of Turns-core/Turns-shell?
7.  volts?  amps?
8.  How best to measure Pout and Pin?
9.  What geometry is best/cheapest?  toroid?  cylindrical? 
   9b.  How about C-cores?

  I would like to recommend consideration of C-cores -- see attached diagram and photo.  These are much easier to Wind than toroids...  Yet when "put together" to form a complete LOOP, they are much like toroids in trapping the magnetic field. 

Further, one can buy pre-wound air cores, and simply "slip" them over the "legs" of the C-core, THEN put the C's together -- voila, a WOUND "toroid" in a few MINUTES!   
Easy to make changes also -- take off one pre-wound coil, insert another, or change the core, etc.

A wound-rod is also shown in the photo, for comparison (not as good for trapping the magnetic field!)

The outer shell wound need to conform to the shape of the 2-C-cores, put together, more of a rectangular shape.  Should not be too difficult, I suppose.

Gabriel-C  (C stands for "C-core")

In the photos, the white card-stock was used to represent how the C-core could be placed into pre-fab coils (two of which are shown, which I bought a while back).  The red-wire is to indicate that one could still wind wire onto a "LEG" of the C-core, if preferred.   

--StevenEJones

[JouleSeeker]

  I found a supplier for nanocrystalline, amorphous C-cores (!) -- the diagram is from their website:

http://www.gaotune.com/c-core2.htm

Notice that LARGE C-cores are available -- long dimension up to 249mm, about 10". 
I've emailed them, asking for prices on some of these high-mu C-cores.

WE might be thinking ahead to EASE and COST of manufacture of these devices... as well as for experimenting and improving.

  I'm thinking of small-scale outfits building devices all over the world -- distributed manufacture, NOT centralized (to get these out to the PEOPLE and make it harder to stop manufacture by the suits or whatever). 

C-cores might provide benefits.

[broli]

I don't think a closed flux path is necessary, I believe that diagram magluvin showed earlier is from distinti's new magnetism. It shows how flux is trapped in the core, as you can see part of it travels outside before being "captured". So I speculate a thick walled steel round/square tube would work only question is what kind of core should be used for the inner core.