Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[MileHigh]

Fletcher:

Very interesting comments, but perhaps they are better left for a second-stage analysis to determine where the energy is apparently coming from.  According to Wayne it's a "workaround."

You stated Wayne's proposition correctly, "Mr Wayne describes a process of reduced Input energy which gives rise to a larger Output energy."

However, there is a problem.  I asked about the measurement of the reduced input energy and the measurement of the larger output energy corresponding to the cycles of the ZED.  Unfortunately all of the participants in the thread working with spreadsheets and Wayne himself apparently don't want to answer this question.  So we are stymied where a "free energy device" that is ostensibly based on a measurement of "reduced input energy" and a measurement of "larger output energy" per cycle is some sort of an obstacle that the participants in the thread can't seem to come to terms with.

So perhaps the best way to go forward is to avoid these issues and just do proper due diligence and measure the output power of the device over an extended period of time.

MileHigh

[fletcher]

I agree MH ..

That's why I have been patient in awaiting MD's response - he is nobody's fool - he will probably also be reading this thread as it develops & so all the skeptics comments may prompt him to look closely in certain areas he might not otherwise pay close attention to - I think he is very thorough though.

I also point out, as has been said before, that this exchange & response format here may not always be comfortable for either the skeptics nor My Wayne, but it will be a 'dry run' for what is yet to come for him - it also firms up descriptions & analysis into a logical & robust presentation that adds clarity to the arguments of both sides - therefore it has value to all.

In the mean time, if Mond or TK can build something to compare to the information given, or be free to report on a long run load test etc, it would also be valuable in looking behind the curtain for those answers - personally I don't want to rewrite the Laws of physics but if they need rewriting then so be it & more power to Mr Wayne's elbow & bring it on.

[mondrasek]

Before anyone starts to make fun of my (obvious) lack of photographic skills:  Please note that this is from my cell phone.  Mommy has the good digicams with her and the "littles" on a trip at the moment.

M.

[mrwayne]

I'm sure it does and i am sure you have a couple of those running as we speak.
I'm also sure you and your team are currently working on a 50 Megawatt unit.
That's comparable to a very high and very large windmill.

I have seen some powerful gasoline generators that run at 3000 rpm producing 2 kilowatt max.
I'm sure your Boyuancy machine runs faster then a turbine far exceeding 30.000 rpm to produce your 10 kilowatt output.

Keep talking like that Wayne, it certainly eases things up.

@ MC,
Please recall Our machine is for mass energy production.
3kw is too expensive per watt to build, sorry.
Keep doing what  you do best -

So will I.
Wayne

[TinselKoala]

Whoooah there, big fellas!

Thank you for volunteering me..... but I would like to have a little input in the matter!

First, I want to thank MrWayne for the invitation, and for not lumping me in with the "stinkbaggers".... I try to be skeptical in a reasonable manner, and generally won't start slinging stink until I'm quite certain of my "pitcher's mound" or I have to field stink that gets thrown at me.
Oklahoma hospitality is second to none... except maybe Texas hospitality!!


Second, thanks to Mondrasek for being the "instigator" of my involvement. I can tell that if I lived in his neighborhood, I'd have to keep my lawn mowed, for sure!!

Third, for a preliminary visit, I think that MileHigh's approach is a bit too radically doubtful. In a perfect world with perfectly compliant personalities it might be the way to go, but my take is this: If you are gonna try to fool me, I want to be fooled, first. Let me see your very best dog-and-pony, smoke and mirrors show. Then..... after you fool me, I'll tear it up, bring the tent and the xray machine and the colored dyes and transparent tube sections and so on and so forth, because I will then have some idea what to look for.

However I don't believe that MrWayne is trying to fool anyone---- I've suspended disbelief, remember?

So for a first visit by me, I'd want to see the normal demonstration, and be allowed to poke around non-destructively a little bit, just an investor's agent doing some due diligence, looking mostly at "face validity": does it do what it says on the box, not necessarily _how_ it does it. Some basic measurements of electrical parameters, some basic mechanical investigations, etc. just to get an idea what is up, what needs to be measured more formally, and where a "wedge" could be driven in to see how a perturbation is handled by the system.
The full-on skeptical teardown campout, BYOB would not be a polite first approach I don't think, but should be held in reserve. But, since the performance _as stated_ so far appears to be contrary to standard physics, and would, if true, imply that a lot of other stuff we think we know is wrong..... then, if it does do what it says on the box and the preliminary inspection sees no obvious mistake... or fake..... only then would the more "hostile" approach be appropriate or necessary. And of course if it _was_ fake, it's unlikely that such an approach would actually be permitted. That "other" TK, Sterling's South African genset, the Popper John story, etc etc .... all fakers resist real inspections and just do "demonstrations".

Fourth: some practicalities.
4a) I do have access, with some finagling, to the world's most precise civilian bulk calorimeter, MOAC.
However it is definitely NOT portable or easy to use (it takes about a week for it to "warm up" and stabilize before any accurate testing can be done) and it has an active test volume of about a cubic foot. It's really designed for cold fusion cells that have perhaps only a milliWatt excess power... yes, with care it can measure that precisely and accurately. But clearly it's not going to be applicable here, and building a huge one would not be possible.

4b) I don't fly commercially, I know too much about aviation for that. (google PPRUNE)
It's only around 400 miles from San Antonio to Chickasha, a straight shot up US 281, a pleasant day's drive. I do have some physical issues that make driving problematic at times, but I could probably do it OK. I certainly would NOT want someone else to drive me up there. Taking a bus or train is possible but less desirable than driving, because I really don't want to leave Maggie the feral chowyote behind. I hope MrWayne wouldn't mind having Maggie around; she can be tied up to my car and is perfectly happy that way as long as there's shade and water.

4c) Money. The love of money is the root of all evil. But the lack of money means inability to operate.
I'm told that my services come too cheaply, even some of my staunchest detractors tell me this. And in the past I've spent a lot of my own money and other resources on projects like this one. But unfortunately those days are gone, along with the money. I've calculated out an approximate cost if someone were actually to hire me at my daily consulting rate, plus expenses of course, for a visit like this. Two days travel, two days on site, lodging (Motel6, they allow dogs; no, sorry, professional ethics preclude me staying under MrWayne's roof as nice as that might be)  meals expenses etc.... comes to right around 2 grand. This is reasonable for a potential investor, thinking about cutting a big check to MrWayne, as an attempt at doing due diligence, caveat emptor, and so on. But how to justify that kind of expense for a report to an internet forum? It's just silly, much as I need the work and the money... it's just silly.


Now... a much better idea:

MrWayne has a small working model, does he not? At least that's what I thought. And even a single Zed is overunity... right?

I have connections at a very professional laboratory that looks for new physics, that evaluates devices like this without charge to the submitter _IF_ the thing looks to have "face validity"... it appears to do what it says on the box. And this lab gives ironclad IP protection to the inventor. So.... take the small device and ship it down to them and I will  "walk it through" the inspection, testing, and validation process, and let _them_ pay my fees, which they will do without difficulty (I hope). And maybe I'll even get more than four days out of it.


Another alternative, if the small Zed isn't available for some reason, is to send Webby some more money so he can purchase some nesting polycarbonate tubes from one of the plastic suppliers I linked earlier, and some machine shop expense money, and have him and a local machinist make up a "proper" (no offense Webby!) demonstrator with ruled reference marks and instrument fittings and so on. If the tennis ball tube model demonstrates the Travis Effect overunity... and it must, right, else why did he get the 2 large in the first place?... then the better constructed polycarbonate model will too, and it can be sent off to the folks I know with full confidence.

Ok.... there's my two bits.

Carry on.....