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Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

Started by mrwayne, April 10, 2011, 04:07:24 AM

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mrwayne

Quote from: parisd on August 30, 2012, 12:39:49 PM
I have received pages 13-14 of ZED for dummies, I unfortunately don't have the rest of the ebook. From these 2 pages and help from 1 member I have tried to figure how the additional external layers could bring additional efficiency and quite a lot as I read from 104% to 300% increase from 1 layer to 5 layers.

Please guys correct me Asap if I misunderstood how work those layers and bring additional lifting force, here how I see it:
Initially all air spaces (from 1 to 5) are at same pressure, it could be above or below atmospheric pressure, I would say it is at atmospheric pressure. From layer 1 to layer 2, surface 2 separe air space 1 from air space 2 and the air pressure increase in air space 1 is faster than in air space 2 ( air space 2 is less pressurized because of the water column that form between the 2 layers). The pressure being lower on air space 2 than air space 1 this create a net force going up helping to lift the Zed. same applies from layer 2 to 3 and from 3 to 4 and finally from 4 to 5 (assuming we stop at 5), the 5th air space is at a lower pressure than the other but remain above its initial pressure that I assume to be atmospheric. I dont see anything else from all these layers to helping the lifting of the Zed.

Waiting for feedback (i.e did I get it all wrong) before to make my conclusion on the efficiency of those layers. Tomorrow probably. I prefer to have a kind of theoritical understanding first, instead of jumping blind in fabricating one Zed.
This is an old picture - but the head acts the same.
The Addative head is responsible for the pressure at each level.
I can send the whole book - if I have assureance you will not allow it to be distributed.
Wayne

parisd

Based on your attached drawing on previous post, we are supplying air (no color on drawing and at 122PSI) not water and what lift the green cylinder seems to be the compressed air. I was far away to imagine it like this. Tks.

Quote from: mrwayne on August 30, 2012, 01:04:26 PM
This is an old picture - but the head acts the same.
The Addative head is responsible for the pressure at each level.
I can send the whole book - if I have assureance you will not allow it to be distributed.
Wayne

mrwayne

Quote from: parisd on August 30, 2012, 01:36:19 PM
Based on your attached drawing on previous post, we are supplying air (no color on drawing and at 122PSI) not water and what lift the green cylinder seems to be the compressed air. I was far away to imagine it like this. Tks.
This was an old picture - we moved from moving air to moving water last year - the point of the picture was to show the additive head towards the center.

The pressure is 12.2 Psi not 122

We no longer move any air directly and this is only one side of the Zed - so If you do not consider both - and the relationship - as in a full cycle you will have incomplete Data.

Welcome,

Wayne

neptune

@MIdone. In your last post you describe a simple test where a falling weight causes a second weight to lift .
That in itself is not enough because you only described only half a cycle. After all we can lift a weight up, and recover energy as we lower it, so raising and lowering a load weight takes very little net energy.
We need to take into account how much of the load weight we need to leave on the lifting platform to return the machine to its starting position. Hope that makes sense.

MIdone

Quote from: neptune on August 30, 2012, 02:15:34 PM
Neptune, I am talking about potential energy measured in joules before and after that one action.  The way potential energy is measured PE=m x g x h.

If before the action one mass has the potential energy of 1 joule, and the other has 0, the total potential energy of the system =1 joule.

If after the action the first mass has now 0, and the second mass has now 1.5 joules, the total potential energy of the system now =1.5 joules

That would be enough to show access energy as know to the science formula.

Of course, no one has demonstrated this as fact, though webby is trying.