Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[Red_Sunset]

Preserved for posterity. What have you been drinking, Red? Would you care to refute any of the actual points I made, or indicate just what you mean by your line numbers (which will vary according to screen width and browser used) and your "spinning shit" comment?

Tinsel,  I do not refute trash, I know you can serve more "to the power two".
Trash is trash !! 

[mrwayne]

Powercat –
In evaluating Wayne's words I come from a completely different perspective than you. I started corresponding with Wayne in March and traveled to Chickasha to meet him in April. Shortly after that I did the 5 fishtank demos on the Travis Effect (I named it that, not Wayne). Since then, we have written and spoken numerous times. I also have spoken to and/or written often to other teammates. I consider Wayne a good friend. So from that admitted bias, I will tell you that I don't believe your list to have lies in it.  I will add my thoughts to your quotes. It's a long one but here goes...

I always keep my word, and I tell the truth even when it hurts
I have never seen a lie from Wayne. I would have stated some quotes differently if they came from me, but no lies. He has misjudged the amount of time to accomplish certain milestones, but again no lies.

I promise, you who wish open sourcing will not be disappointed.
To get across what I thought he was trying to say at the time, I would have said ....totally disappointed. He is not open sourcing the project. Period. But...for the open sourcing fans, Wayne will not sit by and let this technology get bought by big oil, etc. to be pigeon-holed and not brought out for the good of mankind. Also, from the beginning, all of the details of the technology were spread to a few trusted team members so as to assure that the IP would never rest with one individual. He will also not allow the technology to be priced out of the reach of the common man. People that want this technology spread to the masses at a reasonable price will be pleased.

We will be releasing to scientific journals and presenting the Data professionally, when Marks Group recommends. I look forward to the longevity runs as well, Next weekend is when we have the help to set up the new plc equipment and software.
When the 48 hour run is made with Mark or his alternate, Mark has a group lined up that will validate the machine and release their findings to scientific journals. I don't believe those plans have changed.  As far as I know the equipment and software were installed at the point mentioned.

Mark Dansie has assembled the team for our Extended runs - critical review
Mark does have a team ready to evaluate the device after the 48 hour run. We are still waiting for the 48 hour run but Mark's team is ready.

We will run our pre test runs starting Monday - after we are sure we do not have new clogs   - I call Mark and he will come - the 28 is still our goal.
The pre-test runs were not successful then, so Mark did not bring in his team

Mark will come as soon as I ask - he is ready too. But I have not asked him to come yet, I might after tomorrows Run.
The pre-test runs were not successful then, so Mark did not bring in his team

We began running pretrial tests - prior to Mark Dansie's return - I had very much hoped to be done by Wednesday.
Again, the pre-test runs were not successful, so Mark did not bring in his team

After this Validation testing and presentation - we will be setting down to a coalition of teams world wide to bring this technology to the world.
This is a plan after validation. We are not there yet.

Mark has set his return for the week of the 20th.
As far as I know it was on Mark's schedule but pre-test runs were not successful.

We are solving current issues for Mark and the rest of the team's next visit
They were working on problems in anticipation of Mark's next visit.

No, I am not sharing run Data with anyone, until we have the system ready to be released.
The data is being held for Mark's validation team. This is just a smart business practice. Why risk someone from this board trying to upstage the validation/scientific journal article before Mark's team has the chance to publish theirs?

Marks third return was delayed because our "new" system would not charge the accumulator.
The accumulator was not getting charged properly at that point. I believe they then split the combined hydraulic system into separate systems for each ZED.

Mark - I still have not seen the two day demo yet , but I never put a time frame on this. However as with all things as time carries on the confidence level always diminishes.
I agree with Mark's statement. I think Wayne would too.

Our OU is not and has not been the question - simple physics can show it over and over.
I don't think I would have said simple physics, but spreadsheets like those from Larry C. help technically oriented people understand how the device works. Personally I think that TK, "Seamus", Mile High, etc. all understand the spreadsheets. They are too brilliant not to get it. They just won't acknowledge it to be true until they see the physical evidence that supports it.

p.s. our optimized system is over 600% efficient.
Wayne is not a scientist or an engineer. Depending on how you look at it, the machine does have an input, but is a closed loop. Some of the output gets routed back to the input. Figure it however you want, but infinity tells me it is closed looped only. Using the % figures, at least you get the picture how much over the self looped portion is excess free energy. 

It will all begin in a short time - the validation is just around the corner - I am relieved and excited.
Just around the corner is a relative term.... 

We expect to be finished by the end of the week - assuming all goes semi well (parts delivery) and we will be ready for the Validation!
Expectations were not completely met. True

Of course this means we will run a couple days for ourselves before we turn it over to the validation team
- I have been in clear and constant communication with them.
They do have to run for two days before Marks validation. Wayne has been in frequent communication with Mark.

I spoke with Mark this morning regarding time lines, and travel arrangements
- we have selected a prevalidation member to come this weekend
That was a deceptive quote. I believe the full quote said something to the effect "if all goes well".

Do you feel a sense of urgency in our Development?
Have you waited long enough, are you ready to be done with all of the improvements and obstacles, are you ready for the internal Validation, and the external validation? Me too.
Me three!

I hope this helps.

Tom

Thanks Tom,
And many others see it the clear way you do.
Mark has never set a timeline, and yes I agree - the longer it takes the less likely it will "seem" to be a success - and two minutes after we finish the last two phases of validation - no one will care or remember how long it took.
Missing my own dead line is my own problem. I am very conservative - but continually optimistic - they combat each other a bit. If this is the best someone can do....... that is a blessing.
Of course we all care - it is hard work the goal changes with each advancement, each discovery, each new gleamed understanding of the system.
Marks invitation is after our internal goals are completely met. The fist thing Mark will tell you - other than it taking a while - we are doing it right - and he is right.
Even with certain skeptics asked Mark to "out me" over and over - he has said to them - it will be when it will be.
That is the truth.
Thank Tom,
You are a good friend.
p.s. the quote on efficiency that TK posted from my web site - he conveniently left off the next line which explained how we calculated efficiency - get the picture - he needed a story, he wrote a story - pun intended. Wayne Travis
President
HydroEnergy Revolution LLC
mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com

[see3d]

Is there a way we can fork off another thread from this one?  One with the sole purpose of sharing and discussing the collection of data from builds, sims, and spreadsheet formulas.  It should be heavily moderated so that all off topic or non-objective data related posts are immediately deleted.  This will make it possible for people to be able to read all the posts in a few hours instead of a few weeks to catch up with what was posted.

I am not being sarcastic here, I am serious.

I have come to the end of my available time to read through non-objective posts.  I am wasting an hour a day.  If there is no way to stay Laser focused only on the data on this thread, I will have to remove myself from reading and posting here.  I will have to do all my work through emails to individuals instead.  Everyone else can carry on with their head trips without me.  Life is too short for me to waste it associating with attitudes that are diametrically opposed to my own.

~Dennis

[TinselKoala]

Thanks Tom,
And many others see it the clear way you do.
Mark has never set a timeline, and yes I agree - the longer it takes the less likely it will "seem" to be a success - and two minutes after we finish the last two phases of validation - no one will care or remember how long it took.
Missing my own dead line is my own problem. I am very conservative - but continually optimistic - they combat each other a bit. If this is the best someone can do....... that is a blessing.
Of course we all care - it is hard work the goal changes with each advancement, each discovery, each new gleamed understanding of the system.
Marks invitation is after our internal goals are completely met. The fist thing Mark will tell you - other than it taking a while - we are doing it right - and he is right.
Even with certain skeptics asked Mark to "out me" over and over - he has said to them - it will be when it will be.
That is the truth.
Thank Tom,
You are a good friend.
p.s. the quote on efficiency that TK posted from my web site - he conveniently left off the next line which explained how we calculated efficiency - get the picture - he needed a story, he wrote a story - pun intended. Wayne Travis
President
HydroEnergy Revolution LLC
mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com

Oh really? I think you are a liar, Mister Wayne, because here are a few more lines of the passage where I got the NINE HUNDRED SIXTY PERCENT quote on efficiency from your website:

Mark is right, and thank God that Mark is the skeptic that gives advice - I receive continual bad advice from others - that if I followed - we would have presented to the world our unfinished work - to meet their ego - not the needs of our business and future relationships. Mark advised me - that in order to get the right help - we needed to attract the right people - with the right connections - and that "WE" needed to supply the right answer to the energy question. I decided that 160% was not good enough - and considering our latest physical testing of our TAZ is 960% - I think the timing is just about right. Now we are buttoning up the details - part of every improvement we have made - we are getting pretty good at it with all the great people who volunteer. So the feeling to finish - will be meeting the "due diligence" as soon as possible. After last weeks update - one of the validation members asked me not to publish their schedules - and I will respect that wish. It is only the small things that we wrap up now - I read a quote that said: "Whomever can not be bothered with the small things, should not be considered worthy to handle the large things".

http://mrwaynesbrain.com/index.php/current-objectives

Please point out to me just where, in the next line, you explain how you calculate efficiency.

Get the picture? Mister Wayne needs a scapegoat to divert attention from his failure to produce evidence of his claims. So he makes up things about me, apparently out of whole cloth. Pun intended.

[TinselKoala]

Tinsel,  I do not refute trash, I know you can serve more "to the power two".
Trash is trash !!

So that's a "no", then. You cannot refute any of the points I've made, so you prefer to continue with your personal attacks upon me, your insults, your foul language and mud slinging.....

I say that you are a hypocrite.