Overbalancing wheel

[hartiberlin]

Here is the newest design from User SPANG.

I resized the picture for him.

Here is what he writes as the description:


AN OVERBALANCING WHEEL
                                 ______________________

This device, is a very simple overbancing device. There's nothing complicated about it, and
it should be very simple to build.
The 'top-wheel' is simply two 'chaincogs' _________________ one, twice the size of the other.
Also shown in this drawing, are the two return sides of the chains, which return 'slack'.
These two return chains, are shown as dotted lines --------- .  The two taut chains, as solid
lines. The ratio between the two chaincogs, is 2:1


The 'bottom wheel(s)' are slightly more complicated, as this set-up uses 4 chaincogs!  The
ratio is still the same though ______________ 2:1 (not counting the two very small wheels,
in the 6 O'clock position).  More on these wheels  __ in a moment.  The largest of these two
main bottom-wheels, is also of the 2:1 ratio, with the smaller wheel.  The smaller of the two
main bottom-wheels, is used  in conjunction with one of the very small wheels (6 O'clock),
which connects with the other very small wheel (also 6 O'clock), which, in turn, connects with
ANOTHER  larger wheel, same size as the larger bottom-wheel, but now travels at HALF the speed
as the other large bottom-wheel.    Although I said, 4 chaincogs, there are, in fact, 5!
2 large, 1'medium', and 2 very small wheels.
Fixed to the middle of the two main cogs, is a device I've simply called 'the tension-rod'.
This rod is 'pulled' down, (no need for gravity), untill the desired force is obtained.  This
gives two seperate forces of 10kgs, at the speeds required.  (TENSION).
I think you'll find it overbalances!

By the way, NO machine, can tell if 'real' weights are used, they only 'feel' A FORCE!  Watching
'real' weights falling, is the SAME as watching two chains moving ------- exept, these chains
replace themselves.

Neither taut, or slack chains alter their length!

Refer to drawing, at ALL times.

[Low-Q]

Here is the newest design from User SPANG.

I resized the picture for him.

Here is what he writes as the description:


AN OVERBALANCING WHEEL
                                 ______________________

This device, is a very simple overbancing device. There's nothing complicated about it, and
it should be very simple to build.
The 'top-wheel' is simply two 'chaincogs' _________________ one, twice the size of the other.
Also shown in this drawing, are the two return sides of the chains, which return 'slack'.
These two return chains, are shown as dotted lines --------- .  The two taut chains, as solid
lines. The ratio between the two chaincogs, is 2:1


The 'bottom wheel(s)' are slightly more complicated, as this set-up uses 4 chaincogs!  The
ratio is still the same though ______________ 2:1 (not counting the two very small wheels,
in the 6 O'clock position).  More on these wheels  __ in a moment.  The largest of these two
main bottom-wheels, is also of the 2:1 ratio, with the smaller wheel.  The smaller of the two
main bottom-wheels, is used  in conjunction with one of the very small wheels (6 O'clock),
which connects with the other very small wheel (also 6 O'clock), which, in turn, connects with
ANOTHER  larger wheel, same size as the larger bottom-wheel, but now travels at HALF the speed
as the other large bottom-wheel.    Although I said, 4 chaincogs, there are, in fact, 5!
2 large, 1'medium', and 2 very small wheels.
Fixed to the middle of the two main cogs, is a device I've simply called 'the tension-rod'.
This rod is 'pulled' down, (no need for gravity), untill the desired force is obtained.  This
gives two seperate forces of 10kgs, at the speeds required.  (TENSION).
I think you'll find it overbalances!

By the way, NO machine, can tell if 'real' weights are used, they only 'feel' A FORCE!  Watching
'real' weights falling, is the SAME as watching two chains moving ------- exept, these chains
replace themselves.

Neither taut, or slack chains alter their length!

Refer to drawing, at ALL times.

The wheels will start to rotate, but the smaller wheel in the bottom will also move downwards. This will happen because the solid chain to the very right will travel longer per revolution than the other solid chain. The dashed chain (the part with slack) will finally tighten up.

Imagine you have only the solid chains, fixed on the top on each wheel so the wheels are not allowed to rotate more that 1/4 round. What will happen to the bottom wheel? It will go downwards, right?

You can always apply a gear ratio between the outer and inner wheel on the top, but that will also change the torque. There is no way to go with this, I'm afraid.

Vidar

[SPANG]

Vidar,
        Re; reply#82.
How on Earth can ANY part of the bottom-wheels' mechanism drop?  If one part 'falls', it ALL falls.
For any part of the bottom-wheels' mechanism to 'fall', it must disengage itself from the rest of the
bottom-wheel,  and fall independantly.  Also, the  bit about the chains eventualy 'tightening up', is
an IMPOSIBILITY!     You must try again, if you want to maintain any kind of credibility!

SPANG.                (BILL.)

[AB Hammer]

Vidar

Bill is correct, You are missing the point of his design. It is an attempt at over driving the wheels by different size wheels. The biggest danger is stress lock up. Several designs that have been done in the past, were killed by stress lock up. I had a V wheel that showed overbalance but the stress lock up killed it as well. Solving this problem is the part I am working on. Bills design gives room to work with, but like my V wheel didn't.

Alan

[onthecuttingedge2010]

>>  It's a clock mechanism with pendulum and weight and pulley and a gyro.  <<

It would be a lever instead of a gyro. Gyros are used for different things. Such as maintaing a level position to calculate the trajectory of rounds fired from Naval ships.
I do believe you are refering to a slightly imbalanced wheel that once started, requires little energy to maintain spin. I doubt this because of the mechanics involved. The inertia acting on moving parts would most likely rob the system of needed energy. But if you replace gyro with levers, then it would be an accurate description.

>>what is this something in nature?  <<

It would be a mill. Or more precisely, the water wheel that was the motive force. A different priciple. They served the same purpose as wind mills, to mill wheat and other crops.
And best of all, the water remains one one side.

I don't think it would be much of a stretch to consider Bessler close to being a genius. For what he did and when he did it, he showed remarkable ingenuity.

A wheel in motion is a gyro, period. no matter how fast its R.P.M's are.